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Speaker 1: This is quite a wall here. Oh, these are some great photos. That's Jimmy Carter enough for me. Uh huh, as Leon Larenna Lynn. How did this come about? She was given a concert and Brown Allen uh huh carried me backstage to lead. Look at this suit that you have on. Maybe you've never heard of Bill Baxley, but here in Alabama he's a big deal. Oh wow. Baxley is eighty two, slightly balding, with silver hair and eyebrows. In the pictures he's showing me on the wall of his office, I see him looking younger. His hair is dark, and he's standing with famous musicians and politicians. That's my daddy, sweared me in for my first term. Wow. Baxley was elected as Alabama's Attorney General when he was just twenty eight years old. He later served as lieutenant governor, and he's still practicing law today. During his career, Baxley prosecuted hundreds of cases and sent three people to Alabama's death row. There are some crimes that are so wrong and so horrible that they only observe one punishment. He's a lifelong defender of the death penalty. A true believer like when the US Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty in the nineteen seventies, Baxley worked hard to bring executions back to Alabama. He's that kind of true believer, So it's not surprising that Baxley was skeptical when his son, who's also an attorney, asked his dad to look over a case because he believed an innocent man was on death row. Over the course of my long career, out had dozens and dozens of ansances where these I'll call him do gooders, but they are they're good people. They take up there's causes of people that have been sentenced to death, and they get interested in trying to help them, and they all think they're always innocent. Baxley didn't even glance at the case file until weeks later. On an icy winter morning, it was too slippery to walk down the driveway and grab the newspaper, so he picked up the file that his son sent him and began reading about a black man named to Forrest Johnson, who was sentenced to death for killing a Shaff's deputy. I mean, mid morning, I couldn't believe what I was reading. I wouldn't have believed that something like this could have happened. What was so unbelievable about it? Everything? Everything. I don't know how the guy got indicted, how they got I didn't see how the jury convicted him. I would have never believed that that could have happened in Alabama, no question, am I mine. This guy was not guilty of this crime, and I couldn't calibrah in how this could happen. There's only one other case where Baxley thought the defendants were innocent, and that case is almost a hundred years old. So what is it about this case to Forrest's case that convinced Baxley that Alabama is trying to execute an innocent man's It's a unique absurdity that I've never seen before. It's too late to give him back all those years he's been on death row, but it's not too late to correct it today and get him out for the future. It's wrong, it's gone this long, but it's still not too late to correct. My name is Beth Shelburne. Like Bill Baxley, I was born and raised in all Obama. I grew up about a mile away from where the crime at the center of this story took place. I'm a journalist and writer, and for the last three years I've been investigating the case that rocked Bill Baxley's world. The story begins on a hot July night in nineteen ninety five. It unfolds in two places at once, the Crown Sterling Sweets Hotel and a nightclub that's almost four miles away called Te's Place. By the end of the night, one man will be shot dead and two others will encounter someone who will put them at the center of the murder investigation to Forrest Johnson is still on death row and he's running out of time. I'm Beth Shelburne. This is earwitness, Chapter one, Behind the Round All Around Ola. Yes man, this is very calling from Crowns Drilling Sweet's Hotel in Birmingham, Alabama. I'm calling because I've had several guts report what appears out the windows. Who have been two gunshots and people running in the parking lot. It's twelve fifty five am on July nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, oh twenty three, Little Crest fight. That is correct. I have security on the premises, which is ship of the County Police. But I'm calling you because I want to make sure that the Birmingham please rise. Please all right, we'll get the hunt out, thank you very much. Hol On. The Crown Sterling Suits Hotel was a nine story building in Birmingham. Today the hotel is an embassy suites. Inside the main entrance of the hotel, there's a pale tiled walkway that leads through the lobby. The front desk is to the left, but keep walking past it and you enter a huge atrium, an open space surrounded by windows with an indoor garden of leafy green plants and trees. The tiled walkway leads to a coy pond with a fountain at the center. It's lush and humid inside, but despite all the windows, the field is dim and moody. Keep walking past the koi pond and there's a short hall that leads to the hotel's back parking lot. It was here outside the double doors of the Crown Sterling Sweets Hotel where a deputy sheriff was killed. No one saw the murder, but a few people heard gunshots. I remember hearing popping noises from the distance. Barry Rushikoff was working at the front desk when he made that nine call. When I heard it, I believe that's when I tried to call Officer Hardy on the radio with no response. Officer William Hardy, who went by Bill, had been a deputy with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for twenty three years. He was also a security guard at the hotel, where he worked the night shift to make extra money. Hardy was five foot ten, had a thin mustache, and wore his hair in a Jerry curl. He was known to be easygoing and friendly. When Deputy Hardy wasn't making hotel security rounds, Barry usually saw him wearing his brown and tan deputy uniform, sitting at one of the tables in the hotel's atrium, smoking More brand menthol cigarettes and drinking coffee. You know, when I worked there, and when I was working nights, it was me, you know, Officer Hardy or whatever officer on duty, and or we would sometimes have a houseman who is cleaning floors or something. But very minimal group and I never felt unsafe. Barry wasn't the only person to hear the popping noises. A few guests at the hotel also heard gunshots, including Marshall Kelly Cummings, a guest in a fourth floor room directly above the hotel's back exit. I can remember like it was yesterday now as far as the details. As I worked on this project, I started referring to Cummings as the Keebler cookie guy, because in nineteen ninety five he worked for Keebler as a truck driver midfield when I was and I was with Keebler driving wanted to step Lands and delivering cookies and crackers and stuff. Cummings was staying at the Crown Sterling for a company training. After the workday was over, he drank a few beers at the hotel bar with some coworkers, and then he and the other Keepler employee he was rooming with turned in between ten and eleven PM. But Cummings was not asleep for long, but he just I woke up and it was I kept hearing somebody talk, kind of talk arguing. So you heard some voices and it sounded like they were arguing or not really bad, but they were. They were having a conversation. Was it was male voices. Well, they quit arguing and then I didn't hear anything, so I laid back down and it probably wasn't twenty seconds, thirty seconds, forty five. I didn't count the boom small caliber gun. It wont a big calib and I'll sudden the fume sex out the bonne about the second time I said a man, that was a gun, he remembers, turning to the coworker he was sharing a room with. Ye I said you hear that? He says, yeah. So I stood up and opened the blind of getting my eyes fixed because it was dark then it had the lights in the last week. Directly beneath his window, Cummings sees a four door car. It's dark copper or light brown with the vinyl top, parked facing the hotel's back double doors. He sees a tall person get into the driver's side of the car, close the door, and slowly pull away with the headlights off. And so I called down to the front desk. I said, hey, there's been shots fired. I hear Did you hear that? I believe I got a phone call from someone in the room saying they heard gun shots. So Barry makes that initial one one call, hangs up and decides to investigate it. Jumped over the counter to walk back, and I was walked back. I saw off the Hardy's radio. Barry sees Deputy Hardy's radio on a table in the hotel's atrium, and right next to it his cigarette still burning in an ash tree. Meanwhile, back on the fourth floor, Marshall Kelly Cummings hangs up the phone with Barry and goes back to the window. And I kept looking, and I kept looking. Finally my eyes got where I could see, and I looked down. I could see him laying on the ground. I went, oh, no, this ain't good. Cummings spots a body on the ground and realizes someone has been badly hurt. It's right around this time Barry makes the same terrible discovery. There's a hallway that waits to the door that went back out to the back of parking lot. As I turned the corner to go down that hallway and I looked out the door in the distance, I saw offic the Hardy on the ground. That's when I ran back to the front desk, made an emergency phone call to the police. Blah blah, and jeff Man, this aperit crowd still exisal co he is and I have a pit what appears to be a Jefferson County Police officer shot in the back of our ability. He is not moving. People in the car drove away and you say it and he's lying on the on the pavement. I'm a little fraid to go out. Yes, he is a Birmingham Police off Jefferson County. He is a hired nighttime security for us. Hey, do you know if you can sign that anything like if you bra I'm kissing how much blood? I'm trying me in my promise. I don't know if the people are still up there. Okay, we we should be there showing that. You find very much. I'm gonna go and talk to that, okay. Jackson's Kenny Debbie has been shot on the back entrance of the hotel Crown Strow suite. It is one of us and we are they have got one down who has been shot. Looks it looks too bad? Three three two? Do we have any information? Do we have anything on a suspecting After he makes the second nine one one call, Barry walks down the hallway to the back parking lot and then I went back out the office. Already he was not a good condition. He did have a wound to his face. He was making a gurgling gasping noise. You know, he was not conscious. I believe I took my jacket off, my uniform jacket off, to try to cover him, or put under his head, or try to comfort him. But fortunately officers arrived so quickly and I was removed from that area immediately. More than a dozen officers from four different agencies arrive at the hotel. One of them is Detective Tony Richardson, who says he'd known Deputy Hardy since he first started working for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office in nineteen seventy eight. Being black and Bill being black, naturally I noticed him. I was told more than once to get a haircut. That you know, to be a deputy sheriff, you gotta have your hair cut. So the reason I mentioned that is because from the first day that I ever saw him, his hair was out to hear, big afro, big aff and he would put on his hat. He wore that hat religiously. Everybody else at the Sheriff's office hated those hats. They didn't want to wear him, you know, but he always wore his hat. Deputy Hardy often wore his traditional broad brimmed tan smokey the bear style sheriff's hat. It was later entered as evidence from the crime scene with a bullet hole through the brim, and he would have it on his head and all that hair would be on the side would be out here, And I'm like, who is this guy? How can he get away with that? And not only that, he is in the sheriff's office. How can he get away with that? So I was intrigued by him, fascinated by but I was scared of him. I was scared to meet him because I I thought, in my mind, this guy's gotta be crazy, you know, to do that and get away with it. He's gotta be gray. I was scattered him. But anyway, when I first met him, I met him and talked to him. He started to feel better about well. I started to feel better about him. We were never just boosom buddies real close, but we were close and we knew each other. Tony Richardson and Bill Hardy had been colleagues at the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for seventeen years. Richardson remembers the last time he saw Hardy alive. The last day I saw Bill, my brother and I my brother would put a sheriff's office also, and we were standing there smoking and Bill drove out the alley and he was pulling up twenty second and he stopped in the road and he started to talk to us and he said, hey, guys, hey, I'll doing loan me some money, just you know, stuff like that. And we laughed and talked for a minute. And that was the last time I saw him. And the next time I heard Bill's name was about two o'clock in the morning when I got the call seeing that he had been shot. At that time, I was what was considered a crimes against person's detective, which meant that I worked homicides. The lieutenant felt like because it involved a deputy sheriff, and you know that we needed all the help that we could get, so I got called down. Did you go to the actual scene? Yea, What did you encounter when you got there? Well, by the time I got there, Bill's body was gone. Paramedics had already lifted Bill Hardy into an ambulance and rushed him to the emergency room of Birmingham's largest hospital. He is gravely injured with two gunshot wounds to his head, and jaw. A medical examiner notes a bullet wound to Hardy's finger likely means he raised his hand in a defensive posture when he was shot. Police go to his house to tell his wife, Patricia Diane Hardy, and bring her to the hospital. Jim Woodward, the chief deputy in Jefferson County, also rushes over when he hears that Hardy was shot. What do you remember about the incident? I got the call that Hardy had been shot, and they told us it looked very serious. So I got in my car and went down to the hospital. I stood there while they were operating on him, and then they I just heard one say that's it. It's over. We can't do anymore. It's over. We can't save him. He's gone. And what does that feel like when you are a career law enforcement officer and one, well, it's kind of devastating to you. You know, you get to know these guys, and I knew Hardy. That's a very devastating thing happened to Deputy Bill. Hardy is pronounced dead seven hours after he was shot. The cause of death is two gunshot wounds fired at close range. I wanted to know more about Deputy Hardy. So I wrote to several family members inviting them to talk. They never responded, and I can only imagine his murder must be one of the hardest things they've ever experienced. But I have learned a few things about Deputy Hardy. He was married to Patricia Diane Hardy. He had two children and four adult step children. Hardy started working as a deputy in nineteen seventy two. His duties included delivering subpoenas and directing traffic outside the courthouse. You know it was rough. It was rough. It's rough right now, it's rough right this minute. Wow, working homicide, I worked a bunch, but none of them affected me, like the killing of a Definity Shaff. You know, you have a bond with the guys you work with in the uniform. Whether you know him or not, you have a bond. So when I was a Definity Shaff working another Definity Shaff's murder, do you think that was emotional? Yes? It was very And had it been my decision the day we caught the people they did it, let's let's put him on death throat. Lead Detective Tony Richardson and his team of investigators have no eyewitnesses to the shooting, and there's no known motive. A fellow officer has just been shot, and they have almost no evidence to go on. At the exact time that Deputy Bill Hardy was shot to Forrest Johnson and his friend ardragus Ford were four miles away from the crime scene at a downtown Birmingham nightclub called T's Place, but they would soon become the focus of Tony Richardson's investigation. Just a few hours before Deputy hart is shot, ardregus Ford gets into the passenger side of his nineteen seventy one black Monte Carlo. It's an old car and the driver's side door doesn't open, so he slides over into the driver's seat, starts the ignition, and heads out to pick up his friend to Forrest Johnson to go to a club called Te's Place. I wasn't able to interview to Forrest or Ardregas for this podcast. The Alabama Department of Corrections doesn't allow people on death row to do interviews with reporters like me, so I was unable to talk to Forrest directly, and ardregus died in twenty twenty one. I didn't get a chance to interview him. Before then I was able to speak to Ardregus's mother, Joyce Ford, that particular night. They said they was going to tease and see. He will go to teas every Tuesday. And he had his particular the same parking space and everything because he would give him good tips. Ardragas was willing to pay for a good parking space because he was in a wheelchair. When Ardragas was a teenager, a group of men began shooting outside an apartment building he was visiting. He was shot trying to shield his cousin and her baby from gunfire. My son when he was got shot when he was fifteen, I had just gotten off of work. I was tired in the phone, ring ring, ringg and I didn't answer the phone, you know, And I finally answered it and they stated that he had gotten shot. I need to rush to the murgency room. Who it was. That was like a dream, you know. You hear about things happening to other people, but when it hit home, you know. And then he got spile cord injury. He got shot in the back. Yeah, and he was paralleled last yea from chest down T four they call it. So that was like a nightmare. In his early twenties, Ardragas outfitted his Monte Carlo with the makeshift system so he could throw his wheelchair in the back and drive the car using just his upper body. He would cut a broom you know that broom sticks. He would put had one to the brakes, one to the celebrator, and he would tape it to the car. He would tape it to it. So he like retrofitted his Yeah, he did, did d He didn't buy the regular equipment that he should have used. Ardragus and to Forrest actually came up with this idea together. Here's to Forrest's cousin, Antonio green Dragus was I guess that was a pride thing. He didn't want the handicap accessible pedals and stuff in his car. But far has coming up with this great, this genius idea where they're gonna well some metal rods to the brake and accelerate a pedal so he could use his hands and drive. Well, he get to thinking about this thing and metal rods, well died from the brake, pedal or the accelerator. That's not too good of an idea in case you get in the accident. He'd hate to see Dragon's impale through the seat right here. So he goes and buys two brooms out of the little dollar store wherever, and no measurements, no, just nothing precise about it. He just gets the broom and breaks him and Duck take the sticks, one to the accelerated pedal and one to the brake pedal so Dragas could drive his car. Could he get around? Well? I mean did he go real? Well, it's been a while since the Forest and our Dragus have hung out. Because to Forrest had recently gotten out of prison. He was arrested for driving with a suspended license, and as officers padded him down at the city jail, he tossed something into a nearby trash can. Officers reached into the can and found a plastic bag of cocaine. To Forrest ended up pleading guilty to drug possession. To Forrest served about a year in prison, and by the night of Hardy's murder, he'd been out about three months. To Forrest puts on jean shorts and a Tommy Hill figure blue and white shirt, then gets into the passenger side of Ardragus's car and they head downtown. They pull up and park outside Tea's Place, but it's too early to go inside, so they hang out in the parking lot flirting with some girls who work at the car dealership across the street. To Forrest buys a hot dog from a cart on the sidewalk. Regular start trickling into the club, drinking, dancing, and catching up. Inside. There's thumping music, low lighting. It's Tasty Tuesday at Tea's Place, which means women get in free. I used to go to Tease Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Barbetta Hunt was one of the regulars who was there that night. What was your nickname back then, Mama Kid. That's like in the world of nicknames. That's coming from mother. It's the perkas and my father free perks they gave me that night when I was born. But that's my name. My name is Mama Kid. When she was in her early twenties, Mama Cat spent a lot of nights hanging out at Tea's Place. When you walk into the door, that's my spot right there. It's it's on the right hand side. Every time. My God, that was my spot. I see. I don't move from this spot. I don't walk to the bag I don't want there, I say right there. Me and my friend Velanique ti Quis Sanders, we were together. We got there before eleven because the club it's I always free on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday before eleven for women. This is Belanique Sanders, nicknamed Quisy anything. I thought eleven it was five dollars and me and Barbetta was very cheat so we tried to make sure we got the in free cause the little money we had, sayd. We wanted to buy something to eat and I love to get a chicken plate from there, a chicken breast with some French fries. Oh my god, did you know to Forrest Johnson? Yes? I did. I knew him from hanging out in the neighborhood in Innsley and I, oh my god, I had a crush on him. He was the finest. Yet what do you remember about what he looked like? He was short, m a nice body, Oh my god. Anyway, he was a ladies man. I will say that, sweet, always kind. He was just a nice gentleman like his mom had raised him. Really well, did you guys ever go out or did he know that you had a crush on him? He knew I had a crush on him, but we never went out. No, we would just see each other. I smile, be like, oh, dad, he is I'm gonna get him. Yeah, that's it. To Forest mostly grew up in Birmingham's Pratt's City neighborhood, or Pratt for short. We grew up together, I mean closer than just cousins. We were like brothers, cause we were all pretty much raised right in the same little local community. While to Forrest was growing up, most of his extended family also lived in or near Pratt, including his cousin Antonio Green. And uh, since we were toddlers, i mean babies, we we were kind of together, took out in this thing, and he was a couple of years younger than I and so he always kind of held on to him a shirt tail and you know, so I've I've been closely connected with him for our entire life. Pretty much. To Forrest's mom, Donna, was seventeen when she had him, and when to Forrest was young, she was more like a sister to him than a mother. Donna leaned on her parents and siblings to help take care of to Forrest, and as to Forrest got older, she leaned on him to help take care of his little brother. He started at a very young age, much too young to really be faced with the type of responsibility that he took on. He was at an age where he was still a kid. I'm talking about eleven twelve, you know, thirty in nineteen years and had to take on the responsibility of taking kid's little brother. You know, he had a little brother that he got ready for school, he earned his clothes, he did, you know. He's always been that caring little dude, you know, and and he did that. So he had to take on some things during that time. You know, his mom and dad was there, but his dad was a very very heavy drinker. To Forrest's father, Ronald, was an alcoholic and would get violent when he drank, which was every day. This made home life extremely volatile for to Forrest, his younger brother, little ron and especially his mother, Donna. She eventually left Ronald when to Forrest was a teenager and moved in with another man who had an apartment and the Tuxedo projects in Birmingham's Insley community, also known as the Brickyard, Oh It was called the Brickyard. Velanique aka Quisy the one who had a crush Onto Forrest also grew up there. It was rough. I dare you know. My mom had three girls, my aunt had three and we lived in a five bedroom project with our grandparents. So it's just a bunch of girls in the house. But I mean, you know, I'd just seen people get killed right in front of me. My cousin got shot in his tummy. You know, a lot of it was rough. You had family's daddy couldn't afford to eat. You know, kids come to school, you know, wearing the same clothes over and over. It was rough. It was rough growing up in the protis. To Forrest and his little brother moved there when to Forrest was sixteen. When he was seventeen, to Forrest was shot and a drive by shooting and spent three months in the hospital. To forrest mom told me the bullet is still lodged in his chest. During this period, seven of to forrest friends would be shot and killed. No one was ever prosecuted for any of these crimes, and it was around this time that to Forrest dropped out of school. Several family members tell me that at twenty two, to Forrest was somewhat adrift he spent his time working on old cars and playing video games. He was having a good time dating different women. He had five children who he loved, but he was also unsettled. He hadn't yet figured out his purpose, and he didn't know he was running out of time. As to Forrest and Ardrega's weight. Outside of ardragus Is beeper goes off a few times. The beeps are from a girl he met a few nights before, but he ignores her, hoping to meet someone else inside. Teas to Forrest walks toward the club's entrance behind our Dragus and his wheelchair. They're focused on meeting girls and having a good time. They don't know that this night will change their lives, and the people they run into don't know they're about to become alibi witnesses. There was a love before eleven, and we were standing outside and they came up too far as it was pishing to Dracus. One of the first people they run into is Kenyara Pickett, who was standing near the entrance. I remember exactly where I was standing right there from the club when he walked up, because I thought I was shot that night out, you know, back in the days it was TFC were wearing big clothes back then, and I had on some black some black nick jeans but shorts, and uh had on some black and white rebox and then I think I had on the bud. Now show my sister. She had just got out of the hospital. She had a blood clock and that when she got out of the hospital. We just went down and you know the celebrate that she came home to Forrest and our dragas make their way past Kenyara and go into Tease. Mama Cat and Velanique are already inside, perched at their table right by the front door. Tavarrus join. I remember he was pushing uh A Dreka's four in the wheelchair. They came together. I had saw Tafarre's pushing a Draka's in the club, cause we always standing at the front by the door so we can be nosed and see everything. You wanted to see who was coming in and who was leaving with who? Yes, yes, ma'am. At eleven o'clock, I saw the Farrest come in pushing a Draga's in and I was excited to see him because I hadn't seen him in year, because I had just we can got out the military. Stanley Chandler is also at Tease that night to catch up with friends. He and to Forrest knew each other as kids and Pratt. So we stood there and we started we talked, you know about old times, you know, and I mean we joked, laugh and laugh to Forrest and our Dragas settle in at a table chatting with people who stopped by watching the dance floor. I was sitting on the back room because when you going around, it's a like a little balcony part that you could sit there. And so I've seen Dracus and too far As when it came in the door because he was pushing them in a wheelchair. This is Dedra Carter, who was celebrating getting released from the hospital with her sister Kenyara. Dedra was also at Tease that night, and him and my cousin Mona and my sister, all of us was just there talking. And you know, I think to Farest like the Mona, So you know, he was trying to hook up with him, but she wouldn't. Nah, she wouldn't never hook up, would 'em. We used to laugh, talk, joking it back even when we at the club music cleaning we still cracking up, you know, you know, just talking and stuff. To Forest SIPs along island iced tea and orders our drag is a brandy and coke. At one point, to Forest goes back to the bar because Dragas says his drink is too weak, and the bartender makes him a new one. They linger at the club into the early hours of Wednesday morning. When I say, we would probably shot the club now we was there. I know, it's probably like they used to close about maybe one two o'clock, so we would leave right right before that, so I know it was like maybe one I ain't up leaving a club roughly about Lenna say, around about right at one. And like I said, I he was staying on across the club. You know you could see him because I mean, it wasn't a big, big club, you know. And I just started to do signs up and I left and he was still there, yea when I left. There are at least ten people who say they saw to Forrest and Ardregas at Tea's place between eleven PM and one thirty am. Deputy Bill Hardy was shot right in the middle of that time frame, around twelve fifty am four miles away at the Crown Sterling Suites Hotel. People like Kenyara, Dedre Stanley, Quisy Mama Cat all remember that night. Their corroborated statements weave together a shield. That shield should protect to Forrest and Ardragas from the accusations about to head their way. But it doesn't. The state would arrest to Forrest and Ardragus, try them and seek the death penalty against both of them for Deputy Hardy's murder. For the last three years, I've been trying to figure out how this happened. I've read through thousands of pages of court transcripts and investigative documents. I've done a full audit of all the media coverage and interviewed more than eighty people, including several who were directly involved in this investigation and prosecution, and many who have never spoken publicly about the case. I'm not trying to find the real killer of Deputy Hardy. I'm investigating why that person was never found. One of the first things I tried to unwind, how did to Forrest Johnson and ardregus Ford end up at the center of the investigation when they were somewhere else at the time. Deputy Hardy was killed. Here's one thing everyone agrees on. After they leave Tea's place, to Forrest and Ardregus pick up two girls in the Monte Carlo. One sits in the back by Ardragus's wheelchair, the other one sits between Ardregus and to Forest in the front. And that girl the one in the front seat. What she tells police will land to Forest and Ardregas right at the center of the investigation. I'm at the Sheriff's office headquarters along with Yolanda Michelle Chambers. Yolanda is a lad female. She's fifteen years of age. That's next time. Ear Witness is a production of Lava for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company Number One. Executive producers are Jason Flom, Jeff Kempler, Kevin Wardis, and me Beth Shelburne. The investigative reporting for this series was done by Me and Maura McNamara. Producers are Maura McNamara, Hannah Beale, and Jackie Pollie. Kara Kornhaber is our senior producer. Brit Spangler is our sound designer. Additional story editing from Marie Sutton, fact check help from Kathryne Newhan and special thanks to Forrest Johnson's legal defense team. You can follow the show on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Twitter at Lava for Good. To see behind the scenes content from our investigation, visit Lava Forgod dot com. Slash Earwitness
