Nov. 12, 2024
Faith and Bipolar Disorder: Sarah's Story
After grappling with the realities of bipolar disorder, Sarah I Fox invites us into her world, sharing her transformative journey through mental health challenges. Growing up in Brooklyn and identifying as a woman of color, Sarah discusses the intersectionality between mental health, being a person of color, and the role of her faith.
Even though bipolar disorder turned an ugly head towards Sarah, Sarah never in turn chose to turn an ugly head back. Instead, Sarah used having bipolar disorder as a way to dig deeper into her faith, become more connected with her faith and others whom she considers near and dear, and use bipolar disorder as the driving force behind her fierce passion to help others.
Sarah is the host of Rough Edges Podcast where her passion to reach others who are struggling, especially those struggling in silence, just radiates. After speaking with Sarah, she will leave you filled with hope, empowerment, and inspiration to carry forth on your own journey; whatever it may be.
Chapters
00:02 - Overcoming Bipolar Disorder
16:57 - Navigating Mental Health Stigma and Diagnosis
25:54 - Navigating Mental Health Stigma and Treatment
36:25 - Sharing Stories of Mental Health
41:07 - Finding Faith in Mental Health
Transcript
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Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of On the Spectrum with Sonia podcast, where we discuss autism spectrum disorder, mental health and anybody who's overcome any adversity in their life and can provide a message of inspiration, hope, connection, love and empowerment.
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Our goal here is to help people feel more connected in a world that continuously tries to disconnect us from one another.
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Today we have a very special guest who I am super excited about to have on here.
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Her name is Sarah Ibox.
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She is the host of Rough Edges podcast, which I recommend everybody listen to.
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I think her messages the people she gets on her show have been super inspirational.
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Just, I remember when I was having a really, really tough day and a bad moment, I turned on her podcast and her podcast.
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Even though I was crying my tears away.
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It helped me feel better to just even listen to it.
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It was like having free therapy without having to go to a therapist in some ways, even though that's not their intention to provide therapy, but you feel like you're actually getting free therapy.
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So, without further ado, let's please welcome Sarah.
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Thank you so much for being on here.
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I can bring in breaking the song and dance.
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I'm so excited.
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Yes, I am also super excited.
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Thank you, sonia, and you are also on my podcast an amazing episode you also check that out about autism spectrum disorder.
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Sonia killed it, so you also give it a listen to, but I'm happy to be here.
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Well, thank you, sarah.
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So, Sarah, tell us a little bit about who you are and like about where you grew up.
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Yeah, so I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, born and raised and growing up in New York.
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It's always like a huge flex.
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When other people come to New York they're like, oh my God, you grew up there.
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I'm like, yes, I did, but growing up in New York and in like a West Indian household because both of my parents my mom's from Grenada and my dad's from Aruba, so I had like a huge like Caribbean background in my household and I also grew up in a faith-based household, so I grew up in a Christian home.
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We went to church every Sunday.
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Sunday school was a part of like my early childhood development and everything like that.
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But growing up in New York is like really cool because you get to meet a diverse background of different people and going to school especially high school with like so many different like people and different cultures that come over Like it's just a blessing to be able to have that diverse aspect of growing up.
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And also in the city it's just like a lot of hustle and bustle, Like you're very busy a lot of the times and so you don't really get time to like slow down and self-reflect unless you intentionally make the time.
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But I love growing up in Brooklyn.
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I adore like the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens and like just going and visiting different aspects of it.
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New York City is so magical, it's so amazing, and it always, never fails to amaze me every single time I go.
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I was just there recently, as many of you probably already know that I was attempting my 15th ever marathon in New York City, and I made it to mile 12 before I had to drop out due to injury.
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But I will say, though, the crowds always never fail to deliver.
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Just everything about the city is just always, you know, puts me in so much awe.
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I used to live there from 2011 to 2016, in New York City, so I definitely hear you when you talk about the hustle and bustle and, you know, just always being kind of like feeling like everyone's always on the go and having that influx of people, and I myself was like, oh my God, you grew up in New York, that's so cool.
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I was one of those people too at one point in my life.
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I'm like, oh, that's awesome, you grew up in Queens, you grew up in Brooklyn, you grew up in Staten Island, you grew up here, you grew up there.
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I'm like, okay, tri-state area, super cool.
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But yeah, so tell us a little bit now.
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I know like when we listen to your podcast I've listened to your most recent one particularly too, and one of your messages in your podcast is to bring out about how you have bipolar disorder, and part of your sharing your story is to give other people hope and connection and encouragement.
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So I want to know a little bit how.
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How did that first start coming into your life?
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Like, when did you start noticing that perhaps things may have been a little different in how you've been feeling, or that maybe perhaps you were feeling differently from others?
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Yeah.
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So I started like feeling very differently in December of 2020.
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And that year was tumultuous for a number of reasons outside of the pandemic and even just like me graduating college during the pandemic, that was something I also had to learn how to navigate and finding a job.
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And by that point I was, you know, very excited because I had found a job and like things seem to be looking up.
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But then I got really just like overly excited where it wasn't like normal.
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Excited Like I was, just had an elevated sense of mood.
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I felt invincible.
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I started planning my life 50 years into the future.
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I thought I was going to write five volumes of books about my life and there was just like this odd air of I could do anything that I wanted.
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Nobody could stop me.
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I can do this.
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And my family actually noticed a lot more symptoms of mania, because when you're experiencing a manic episode, you are talking really fast, you have that elevated sense of self and you also kind of cross over into psychosis, which means like you're seeing things, you are hearing like different voices, and so that's what I was experiencing and my family.
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They noticed that I was talking really fast.
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A lot of the things that I was saying was very incoherent and I just wouldn't stop talking, like that was the biggest red flag.
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Another thing that happened was that I wasn't sleeping at all, really, like I was just like going on like maybe two, one or two hours of sleep and then the next day I would feel very refreshed, like I had slept eight to nine hours and it was just something where I was running on a lot of energy but I didn't actually get any sleep.
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So that is another telltale sign of mania that you're experiencing.
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It's the lack of sleep or the lack of a need for sleep, like your body doesn't feel like it needs to sleep.
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So I was going through that as well and then, because I was like going through this for so long, it bled over into January and in January I experienced a really bad mental breakdown where I was getting very aggressive.
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I was, you know, just saying a lot of things that were very vulgar, doing a lot of vulgar things, trying to hurt like my family that was around me.
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So they had to eventually call the police and with that I got sent to the nearest hospital that was in my area and I got admitted into a psychiatric hospital and in the hospital I got diagnosed with bipolar disorder because they said the symptoms of what I was experiencing was a severe manic episode.
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And so the way that I got diagnosed I will never forget.
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That day the nurse came up to me with a packet and she was like here's what the doctors and everybody you know concur that this is your diagnosis.
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And she said, if you have any questions, like, let us know.
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So she hands me this packet and at the top, in big bold letters, it said bipolar disorder.
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And I was like, oh no, I I don't have this.
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Like I was, I just went straight into the denial of it.
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I was like I don't have this, this is wrong.
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Could we get a second opinion?
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And I'm like, now that I think back on it, I'm like, like Sarah, you were in the hospital, like where are you going to get a second opinion?
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Like the circumstances that led you to be in the hospital were so severe that this is the diagnosis that actually corroborates with that.
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So it took me a minute to actually realize and understand what bipolar disorder was, because up until that point I only knew it as like a negative thing, like people would describe the weather if it changes.
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Oh, the weather is so bipolar or somebody goes from like angry to sad or whatever they would be like, oh, they're so bipolar, they, you know it was a negative connotation.
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So me having this packet and looking at it and seeing it right in front of my face bipolar disorder it made me feel so dejected because my life knowing that I have something like this and it's so interesting to me because I never really put my mental health at the forefront, like it was always in the back burner, like I didn't really think about it as much, but having that diagnosis, it just it was like a huge whirlwind.
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So when you experienced the manic episode and you were seeing and hearing things, what were you seeing?
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What were you hearing?
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Yeah.
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So I was like experiencing a lot of hallucinatory things.
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So the things that I was seeing, it was kind of of like it was almost like monsters in a way, like everything was like really scary.
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So I didn't really know what was happening.
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It's just like things would come into like the foreground of my mind and I would just be like seeing like these, like creatures, and then sometimes I would also like black out completely, so I wasn't really seeing anything.
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And so there were like periods of the time where I was blacking out, Like I didn't actually like see anything.
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And then, in terms of like voices, they were always like negative.
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It was always like oh, like you're never going to be anything, you're not good enough, or oh, it's great that this is happening to you like just very harmful voices.
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And the thing about that is is that when you're dealing with psychosis, you don't really in the moment, you don't really know what's happening.
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Like you're like I said, you have periods of blackout and you have periods of you don't know what's going on around you and just knowing that this took place, and also even hearing it from my family of what they saw and experienced they said that I looked like very terrified, Like I didn't know what was happening.
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I didn't know.
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It's like I couldn't really see anybody, Like there were just moments of just complete blackout.
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And when you were having those moments of seeing things, hearing negative voices that were just really there to just kind of bully you and put you down, and those moments of blackout, how are you feeling at that time, you know, did you have any fears going on?
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Did you like, were you aware that something was like completely off?
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Yeah, I was feeling very confused for one, and then also really scared because, as it was happening, like I mentioned, like I had moments where I couldn't see anything.
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So I was just like what is going on and why am I like experiencing these things?
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And it gave me a rush of like severe anxiety, because at that point I wasn't really myself and I also didn't really have control it felt like of my faculties at the time, because it just felt like a huge nervous breakdown was going on and I was just confused, filled with anxiety and also fear, because I didn't know how long this was going to last.
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I didn't know what actually was taking place.
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So, aside from me just like experiencing that confusion, in general, I was also feeling like fearful because I didn't know what was going on at the time.
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So, so it was like you were having all these things happen to you, but you really didn't even know where to put your finger on it as to what is going on and I can only imagine you know how terrifying that must have been and your family when they were saying that you were saying vulgar things.
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What exactly were you saying that ended you in the hospital?
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well, um, in terms of specifics, I'm not really.
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It was kind of vaguely like threatening, almost, as if like okay, like stay away from me or I'll do xyz or you know.
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So it was more of like me also, like doing a lot of cursing and also like saying a lot of very nasty things, and so it was more of like, ok, she might hurt herself or she might hurt us, so we need to call the police, like.
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This isn't just a Like, this isn't just a regular thing Like this is just like okay, she to them.
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they definitely, and rightfully so, thought it was a very threatening experience.
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When you look back at your life because I know you bit do you think that there were signs maybe back then that you have had bipolar all along or some kind of mood disorder all along?
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Absolutely Like.
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When I look back at it now, especially during my college years, there were definitely moments where I was hypomanic because I would, especially with the lack of sleep I would be able to stay up till 5am, go to class for 10am and feel nothing Like I would be energized, I would just feel like I had just slept.
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So that was the moment yeah, that was the moment where I didn't really think anything of it because I thought, oh, you know, it's college, like of course we get up the next morning and do class and whatever.
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But like there were moments where my roommates would fall asleep.
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I would always be the last one to fall asleep, like in the dorm, like I'm the last one in the room to fall asleep and my roommates, they, would be asleep and I would still be up, and so that was another telltale sign of like me probably experiencing hypomania.
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And then there were also moments where I experienced like severe depression, especially in, like, my sophomore year of college.
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It was a very trying time for me and my family and I was just taking that on in terms of like being not only like deeply saddened by what was going on, but I had moments where I didn't want to get out of bed, or I couldn't get out of bed, like sometimes I would just like lay there.
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My body would be like really heavy and I wouldn't get out of bed.
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Um, so there were those moments and also I it got to a point where I had to, I wanted to go to therapy.
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So I went to therapy in my sophomore year of college.
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I started there and even my therapist at the time was telling me hey, maybe you should consider seeing another professional, like a psychiatrist, to actually give you a diagnosis, because a lot of these symptoms are of a certain mood disorder.
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And she's like I can't really tell you which one it is, because you know I'm not a psychiatrist.
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But at that time, since mental health was so stigmatized, especially in my own community and we'll talk about that more later I didn't want to go see a psychiatrist because I was like I don't need one and also I don't want to take medication.
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A psychiatrist because I was like I don't need one and also I don't want to take medication.
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Like that was my outlook.
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I was like I don't need medication, I don't want to be on medication, I'm fine, I'll just talk to you and we'll just manage it like this.
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But some part of me is like maybe I should have taken her up on that because I maybe would have gotten ahead of it earlier and it wouldn't have to go to this point.
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But you can, only I really can't blame myself for that, really because I didn't have enough information and I was beholden to the stigma of what would other people think of me if I started taking medication or what would you know?
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Like maybe I'm weak because I have to go to a psychiatrist now.
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So all of that was running through my mind and so that must have been um very difficult, though, for you to hear from that therapist at the time to go see another professional.
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How did that make you feel when she said you were presenting symptoms of a another mood disorder that I can't diagnose you with because I'm not a psychiatrist, but I think you really need to go and get evaluated.
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How did that make you feel to hear something like that?
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That actually made me feel pretty devastated because I thought I was going to therapy, because I was depressed and in that mindset I was like you know, I'm just going to go see this person, we're going to be able to talk through and manage the depression or the sad feelings that I was having, and then I could just leave once I feel better and not have to deal with this again.
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Because, like I said, mental health wasn't something that I prioritized.
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I wanted to just be able to have my achievements, go to school, know, graduate and do all those other things.
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But I wasn't really thinking about how does my emotional and mental wellness factor into that.
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So hearing her saying that, hey, maybe you should look into this a little bit more because it might be something bigger than just depression, I don't think I was ready to hear that.
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I don't think I was ready to hear that.
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I don't think I was ready to be like, hey, there's another layer behind the stuff that you are feeling.
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And so to me I'm like I don't have time for this.
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I just wanted to get treated for this one thing, I don't need to explore this other thing.
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And I also was fearful about being on medication.
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Like that was like my biggest hesitation, because I also didn't really I wasn't really knowledgeable of like the like the, the whole sphere of like medication for mental health, and so I didn't really know how to navigate that either and I was scared to go into those types of things because I didn't know what that would entail, what the side effects would be.
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So there was just a lot of things going through my mind when she did present that to me as an option and I don't think I was ready at the time to actually pursue that.
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You know, and like looking at me now, of course, if someone said, hey, maybe you should look into this, I'll be like absolutely, because I know now what my symptoms are, what my triggers are, what medication can do.
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Back then, up until that point, I didn't really have like a roadmap or an idea of what mental health was all about, let alone psychotropic medication.
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So, yeah, I think it was a lot of that let alone psychotropic medication.
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So, yeah, I think it was a lot of that and I'm pretty sure, like you know, to have all of this be so new to you, especially when you're, like, in a college setting where you already are going through so much adjustment, you know, having moved out of your house, living with roommates, getting used to being completely, kind of well, completely independent, because, in the sense, like, you're not going to have someone there to be like, hey, you're going to be late, get up, like you know, or you don't have that.
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You know, it's not like when you were in, like, high school or middle school, where you knew if you got a homework assignment it was due the next day, right In college.
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It's a completely different animal in and of itself, you know.
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So I can only imagine what it must have felt like then to just have everything compounded like that too, that other aspect of it that probably played in all you know, this feeling of devastation.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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And like not only navigating college but also trying to figure out, like, why am I feeling this way?
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Why am I feeling this depressed?
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Why am I?
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You know, that's why I went to therapy to get some answers, because I'm like, okay, this is like permeating into other aspects of my life and I don't want to feel this way anymore.
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So I'm like people go to therapy when they feel depressed, so let me go to therapy.
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And I think me making that choice was another thing in my household.
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That was very new, because I was the first one in my immediate family to actually seek out a therapist, and so that got into my parents saying, why do you need a therapist?
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You're doing well, you're getting good grades, what is going on that you need to talk to somebody else?
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And that was just like a whole another layer of like hey, I want to get help for this problem, but you guys seem to think that I don't need that much.
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So I think that was another aspect of like why I didn't want to go further in pursuing the psychiatric help, because I didn't want to have to come home to my parents and be like hey, I got a diagnosis and this is it, and you know that whole thing too, so that's another layer.
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I can only imagine that.
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How scary in some ways it must have felt also to deal with family dynamics.
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Symptoms of like feeling depressed or any kind of mood, any symptoms of like any kind of mood disorder that you can think of in those years?
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That's a great question.
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I in high school there was a lot of like mood fluctuation there, especially between like being depressed and also being really, really happy, almost hypomanic.
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Because the first half of my high school years I was like pretty depressed because it was the whole environment of you know, the cliques and like wanting to see where I'm actually fitting in, and I was often, like you know, a loner and I always like prioritize my academics over anything else.
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So that social aspect of high school was kind of lost on me in the beginning and so that kind of contributed to oh, I feel alone, like nobody really cares and you know, just navigating life in that setting.
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But then the last two years of high school, that's when things were kind of on the uptick, like I was getting a lot of good grades, I was on the prospects of graduating, I had a lot more friends because I involved myself in different activities like mock trial, moot court debate team, like you know, just other like things that I put myself into.
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I got friends through that and so there were moments where I was like really excited and had big hopes and dreams for college and everything.
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So I would say that big pendulum swing between being really depressed and then being like really excited, like just super optimistic.
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Going out of high school I would say that whole experience was kind of like a pendulum swing between one or the other so I can.
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I can empathize with, uh, the high school loneliness.
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I was a loner myself, I was.
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Well, I was ostracized so I kind of really didn't have any choice and friendship at that point because everyone kind of ripped me off at that time and um.
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But I'll tell you, I mean it's, you know.
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You know a lot of that too goes into.
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You know even the feelings of being depressed when you're in high school.
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You know it's so easy for people to chalk it up into oh well, this is just part of adolescence, this is just going up, you're, what you're going through is growing pains.
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But truth of the matter is there are some very real issues that people face.
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It's not just about the woes of adolescence, you know, and it goes so much further into you know, people really truly face real mood disorder.
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I mean not to say depression is not a real mood disorder, it is, but it's not just talked up to.
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You know what people think is just your common cause.
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Oh, you're just changing because you're hormonal, or your moods are because you're hormonal, or you're just going through growing pains or adolescence.
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What I'm talking about is like real depression, real, real mood disorders.
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Subtypes I mean real it just or just different types of mood disorders, rather, but it's just like you got real things going on and I feel like it's so important that people really you know, uh, that that change be made in that area and people can recognize you know what this is, not just only because you're an adolescent, this is only this, that or that or the other.
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It's there.
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You know, people can have things that go beyond that.
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Yeah, so now you so talk about like so you got diagnosed with bipolar.
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You felt devastated to have that diagnosis.
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I'm wondering, where did that feeling kind of originate that you felt like you had to be devastated about it?
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How did maybe you're like, how did that family background and your background being a person of color, how do you think that all intersected in this too?
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Ooh, sonia, how much time do you have?
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Because I could go on and on with all of this.
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But, honestly, in the Black community there is a huge stigma surrounding mental health and it comes from the idea that you need to be strong, like no matter what you're going through, you cannot buckle under the pressure, you cannot let other people see you cry.
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You have to go through it because we've been through enough and we don't need to be in a position of weakness and compound that with the faith-based community.
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So I grew up in a Christian home as well, and with the Christian community it's more of like we have prayer, we have church, we have the Bible.
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Why are you, you know, seeking additional help outside of that?
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Like that should be enough to get you through.
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And so I felt like I had to be devastated, like you mentioned, because now that I've come into a place in my life where these things were not enough to be able to help me move through it Like not saying that they're not enough on their own, because all of those things that I mentioned, like the prayer and, you know, being strong, that's fine, but when you're dealing with something as severe as a mental health condition and something as serious as mental wellness.
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You need to combine the mental health treatment with those things.
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And so when I got that diagnosis, I was at a crossroads because now I'm thinking, wait, I did all that stuff.
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I prayed, I went to church, I read my Bible, I was strong, like I thought I was strong, you know.
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So I'm like why?
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Why is this happening to me?
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And so that's when I had to realize that sometimes you need to go the extra mile and seek treatment, because, yes, you can pray, but also you need medical attention as well.
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Like we don't do this and it's so interesting, we don't do this when it comes to physical illnesses, like if I have a flu or if I have a broken leg or if I have something that needs medical attention, I'm going to the doctor, I'm going to the hospital, because this is something that needs immediate attention.
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So we need to give our mental health the same type of attention.
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If something is going wrong, seek professional help.
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Like, yes, you can have, like, your remedies, you can have things that do work, but at the same time, you need a doctor.
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You need a doctor.
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And it's like that's something I needed to realize, that I needed more help than me just going it alone could have done.
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So that's the thing where I think the devastation came from.
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It's like, oh, now I have this condition that I have to learn how to manage.
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And bipolar disorder is also heavily stigmatized, like, I know, depression and anxiety.
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Those things are becoming, you know, more generalized and more in the forefront.
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But like bipolar disorder like if I came out of the hospital saying, hey, I had depression, I had generalized anxiety people be like, oh, okay, you know, that's fine.
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But if I say, hey, I have bipolar disorder now people are like, whoa, okay, you're on the deep end or you're a little crazy.
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So it's like even having that label and those things to think about.
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That's how I felt like, wow, this is such a huge weight on my shoulders that I now have to manage.
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And I also thought about who am I going to tell?
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Like it's so funny now.
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But like, who am I going to tell about this?
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Like, how do I navigate this?
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So there are a lot of different things that came into that.
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And that must have been also very challenging to navigate with all these internalized messages that you were brought up with.
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That you know you had to be strong.
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You can't buckle under pressure.
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You always had to put on a tough face, make it till you make it kind of mentality.
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You know it seems right and I can empathize, being Indian.
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Right, we were also taught the same things like we don't talk about, we don't think.
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A lot thing with Indian people a lot of times is the mentality is, if you don't think about it it doesn't exist, right, even if you're feeling depressed or upset about something, if you don't think about it it goes away, kind of mentality.
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And that's simply not true.
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Things, problems, just don't go away because you ignore them.
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You ignore them.
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Just imagine like they did this, you know, with physical health, if you have, let's say, a really bad stomach ache and you think, okay, if I don't think about my stomach hurting, the pain will just dissipate, lo and behold, really your appendix is in trouble, really going, and is about to burst, right, I mean, point, case in point, ignoring it could cost you.
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So I mean, and point case in point, ignoring it could cost you.
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So I mean, that's kind of like.
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The way I look at it is you know, mental health.
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You know, it's just so.
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People still have a lot to go in terms of learning really about truly what is everything?
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What are terms that are being thrown around?
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You know, like people say, okay, bipolar weather.
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