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I'm Carrie Brett and this is shot at love.
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Today, we're going to talk about love and lying.
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We're going to get honest with ourselves and learn why honesty is the best policy when dating.
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This week we have a special guest, lori Gerber, who's a seasoned expert with over 20 years of experience in life and relationship coaching.
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Lori has transformed the lives of thousands with her innovative coaching methods.
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She is the creator of the Ultimate Online Relationship Course Master the Art of Love, and she shared her insights on renowned platforms such as the Today Show, dr Phil, mtv, matchcom, j-date, and did a TED Talk called Secret Free.
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Stay tuned, because I'm not lying when I say I think you'll be super impressed with Lori free.
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Stay tuned, because I'm not lying when I say I think you'll be super impressed with Lori.
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Lori's journey is nothing short of inspiring.
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At a personal crossroads, she nearly faced divorce, and a business coach helped her turn her life around.
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This experience led her to become a coach herself, and she's going to share what she's learned about the importance of being honest, as well as sharing her tools to help you find love.
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Get ready for a compelling conversation that could change the way you approach your love life.
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So, without further ado, welcome Lori Gerber.
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Hi, Lori.
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Hi, thanks for having me, Keri.
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So good to be here.
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I'm so happy to have you.
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I am really excited about this.
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I feel like I'm going to learn a lot.
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A few things happened in your life that made you take pause and fight for your marriage.
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Yeah, can you share with us how your story of finding a love coach helped transform your life?
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Yeah Well, interestingly enough, I did not find a love coach.
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I found a career coach because I found that to be the socially acceptable ask around town.
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She, however, was not the type of coach.
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Her name is Lauren Handel Zander.
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She teaches the Handel method, which is the method of coaching I use.
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She did not believe in sequestering certain areas of your life and pretending that you could treat them on their own.
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She believed, and taught me to believe, that all areas of life are connected, and so she asked me, before she even started coaching me, to give her sort of a view on every single area of my life, from my love life to my sex life, to my health, to my body, to my career, to my money, to my fun, spirituality, family, all of it.
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She took one look at what was going on in my marriage and she said oh, we need to start in a little bit of a different spot, because you are tanking your marriage and I don't think you really want to build on such a shaky foundation.
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So she took a look at my health and how I was feeding myself and my marriage and she said that has to come first.
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That's your foundation, and you can't even think straight about your career unless we address those two things first.
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That is how I got a love coach 20 years ago.
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It's amazing.
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So it's true, though.
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If you get screwed up with relationships or finances, all these big setbacks can destabilize your life for sure.
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So that was your foundation, so you had to start from there, for sure, exactly.
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I love how you were forced to pay attention because your husband started to flirt with your assistant.
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You were keeping some secrets per se from him.
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Tell me what you learned from that period.
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It really took a lot for me to wake up.
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Honestly, there was one fateful day when we got into an argument and I remember we were screaming at each other on the street in New York City and he said something like you know, you're kicking me when I'm down.
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And he said you know, if I had cancer, would you still be so mean to me?
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And I said down and he said you know, if I had cancer, would you still be so mean to me?
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And I said yeah, if you were an idiot, I'd still be so mean to you, or something like that.
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And he said I'd like a divorce.
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I think I'd like a divorce, or something like I don't think we can go on like this.
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I think that was the moment where I heard divorce and I oh, we're not just fighting.
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Right, I don't mind fighting, I'm good at fighting, that's kind of my job.
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But now it sounds like we're not fighting.
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It sounds like he wants to leave, you know, like he's not going to put up with this anymore.
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That, you know, also coincided with, I think, my assistant being so much nicer and more friendly and more delightful.
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I put all that together to realize that there was an actual threat to my marriage, and I had been very, you know, confident and cavalier until that moment.
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And so in that moment I decided okay, I'm going to save my marriage.
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I'm not.
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I get it, I have to change, something has to change.
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I'm not going to get away with this.
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And so that's when I earnestly started taking the coaching from my coach, which had to do with really looking at my own, what my dreams were, what my current behavior was and how.
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Those two were not in alignment.
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The coach brought to your attention that your heart and your head was not in alignment.
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Exactly so.
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For example, I wanted deep, connected intimacy with my husband.
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Well, that was my heart's desire, but yet I was still hanging out with my ex-boyfriend once a year and getting drunk, yet I was interrupting him every time he started to, you know, tell a multifaceted story, and yet I was not having sex with him, right?
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So there were a variety of things I was doing and not doing that did not match up with what I said was important to me.
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What I said was my highest ideal.
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Having that first conversation, that you did meet up with your ex-boyfriend and you wouldn't have wanted your husband to do that to you.
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So I think that's a good barometer of kind of keeping yourself in check.
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I like it as a barometer, although you know, I would tell him what I was doing.
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So humans are real sneaky, right Like the way that we lie is very complicated to my logic.
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As long as he knew I was going out with this guy, I wasn't.
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And as long as I wasn't hooking up with him, right that I wasn't doing anything wrong.
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And there was that one time.
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You know that I nearly you know the cuddle that I speak about in my TEDx talk, but again, I didn't cheat, right Like I didn't do the thing that I decided was the line.
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So, as long as my husband knew and I wasn't cheating, technically, I really justified.
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I justified that it wasn't harming my dream, it wasn't harming my connection with my husband.
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But that just isn't true.
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Well, it's like an emotional kind of lying right.
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It's not physically cheating, you know, and people parse this all the time.
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What's telling the truth, is it?
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I didn't outwardly lie, or what did I omit, you know?
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Did I tell my husband I was this close to his face?
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No.
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Did I tell him that I got turned on?
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Did I tell him that it fed my ego to go hang out with that guy?
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Did I tell him that I could still fantasize about that guy, you know, did I tell him the details?
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No, but I wasn't outrightly lying, I wasn't pretending to be somewhere where I wasn't.
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So again, that's how human beings get away with lying, as we come up with all kind of logic and then we even feed parts of the truth.
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So we then can focus on the parts of the truth we told.
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But for sure there was an emotional breach.
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And how, I know is because eventually, when my husband got more empowered, he was like stop doing that.
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If you wanna hang out with him, bring him over to dinner.
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And guess what?
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I had no interest.
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I had no interest in having my ex boyfriend come to dinner with my family in my house that I have with my husband of, you know, now 30 years together.
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No, no interest.
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I only had interest in going out once a year and getting drunk and entertaining some fantasy.
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That interest went away and my husband was like, oh, you can still be friends, but have him over to the house.
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That's how you know you're hiding something when you don't want to bring it to the house.
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So you kind of became fascinated and a specialist around lying and the cost of lying and how it hurts your well-being and you and you talk about the dreams that you wanted for your life.
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Let's talk about lying, because I know a lot about lying now, because I know a lot about you, but to the person who's listening, why are we both so obsessed about lying?
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So I want to talk about it.
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So there are seven types of lying.
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Lauren, who was my coach and created the Handel Method that I teach now, is also my best friend and we talk almost every day.
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She has a first book that she wrote, based on the Handel Method, and we've been writing the second book and we decided to refresh the chapter on lying.
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So we relisted the seven types of lies, but then we came up with 37 more.
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Okay, so just in case you think this is a comprehensive list, it isn't at all, but most people when they hear lying they think of an outright lie.
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Right, oh, I was out with my best friend when actually I was out with my ex.
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Right, that's an outright lie.
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But what people don't usually put on the list of lying is things like omission, what I didn't say, misrepresentation.
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You know how I kind of make it sound like oh, I'm almost done with that when you just started.
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You know, not an outright lie, but a misrepresentation.
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Things like over-exaggerating or under-exaggerating.
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Right, so you could over-exaggerate like, oh my God, my boss is the meanest in the world, or oh, I have so much homework I'll never finish.
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So you could over exaggerate like, oh my God, my boss is the meanest in the world, or I have so much homework I'll never finish.
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Or you could under exaggerate, like, oh, he didn't drink that much, you know he's, I'm sure he's fine, he can drive right when he drove, you know when he drank five drinks, right.
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So we over exaggerate, we under exaggerate, we avoid confrontation.
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That's one that people generally think is just being a nice person, a good person, but is actually one of the most popular ways of lying, according to the handel method.
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And then I would say, lastly, secrets you're taking to the grave, so just things.
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You don't think anyone has a right to know, anything from stuff that happened to you when you were a kid to crimes that you may have committed to.
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You know what it takes for you to have an orgasm, right, like, just you know it's private, nobody has a right to know.
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Okay, so everyone you said that everyone lies within.
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What's the timing of the lies Cause.
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That that was kind of fascinating, I think.
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I've got a statistic that's kind of like 11 a day, you know or like.
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Within the first 10 minutes of a conversation you can count on a few you know, when you're meeting a new person, you can be like how are you?
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Fine, I'm great.
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Oh, how's your husband?
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Oh, he's great.
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You know, sometimes I know when I was having a hard time and my friends invited me to do something.
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I'm not really good at hiding that I'm hurting.
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But then again you don't want to be the person who's having a hard time all the time, because then you're not very fun.
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So I have some friends who say to me well, your friends are going to know if you're hurting anyway, so what the hell?
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So just go and maybe they'll lift you up.
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Yeah, tip them off.
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Right.
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So I think the hiding piece when I was having a hard time, that was a hard part for me, I think.
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And again, people when they hear me say secret free, they think tell everybody every single thing.
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And that's not what I'm saying and that is not possible.
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And imagine if everyone said everything they were thinking in their head.
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First of all, we don't have time and second of all, it's mostly garbage.
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And that's a statistic, by the way it's.
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If you read up on this, we have apparently between 12 and 60,000 thoughts a day, of which 80% are negative and 85% are repetitive, and that doesn't mean they're garbage, but a lot of them are garbage.
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But then there are the thoughts we have repetitively that sort of relate to something that's important to us, and those are not garbage.
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Those are repeating in important areas because we need to address those thoughts.
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So those thoughts do much better exposed.
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That doesn't mean you say everything to everyone.
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That doesn't mean you're inappropriate.
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That doesn't mean you take over a conversation that's not about you.
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Make sense.
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I observed my mother-in-law this weekend.
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We were at a memorial service for another family member and it was extremely triggering to her about her own loss you know the loss of her husband and you could see she was so struggling because she wanted to honor her own experience of grieving and the grief that this triggered, as well as the grieving she was having about the person who had died, but she also wanted to honor everybody else's grieving and not have the attention on hers.
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It was this incredible balancing act and I think that is.
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The balancing act in any good relationship is how do I care about your experience and also not deny my own experience?
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And hopefully in a good friendship, you really work on that and you figure out a good way to do that so you wouldn't have to lie to your friend and say you're fine when you're not, but you're also not taking over and killing the joy of an event.
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It's just a balance where actually both can coexist.
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I think I fall into the category of highly agreeable and I have to be because of my past, the people that I chose.
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I know that I stayed with them or put myself in those types of situations because I am highly agreeable.
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I wouldn't say that's the bottom line.
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Okay, I don't think you stayed because you're highly agreeable.
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I think being highly agreeable helped you stay.
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Okay, that makes sense.
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I think you stayed essentially because that's what you thought you deserved.
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I love that.
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Your upbringing or your genetics or your epigenetics or your observations in life.
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I wouldn't say you stayed because you were agreeable.
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I look back because I want to learn and I love that.
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You say you can change your type and once you have the information you can make different choices.
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And that's very freeing to somebody who doesn't trust themselves because if they want to go date but they have made mistakes, so they feel like they're going to keep bringing more of the same in.
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That is one of the biggest fears.
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You know, my specialty is women daters who've been divorced, who are over 50, you know, who've made their mistakes and seen some pretty crappy patterns.
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One of the biggest concerns that they have is that they will make the same mistake again Exactly what you said.
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I don't trust myself to choose better.
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And so there is hope.
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You can change your type 100%.
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You can, but it takes work.
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You spent a lot of time creating the grooves that got you to this type.
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It's going to take a little bit of effort to change your type.
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I can tell that you're a really good coach because you were like.
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It's not that you avoid conflict, it's not that you're highly agreeable.
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It was a worthiness thing.
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It's just a hunch, and I think the worthiness thing is for a lot of people.
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When it comes to money, what kind of life do you deserve?
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You had to fix a couple of things, but you had to like piece by piece, it Exactly and see the interconnectedness.
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I mean, even food is a very good analogy and I often work with women on their food simultaneously to their what they deserve in a relationship, because they're very connected.
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It's kind of like well, what do you think you deserve?
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Do you think you deserve to feel like shit all day?
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Do you think you?
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deserve to have low energy and indigestion and stagnation and heartburn and bloatedness.
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And what do you think?
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You deserve?
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To feel fantastic and nourished and vibrant.
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That was true for me.
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My food choices absolutely reflected my self-esteem and also, in changing my food choices, changed my self-esteem, changed what I thought I deserved and felt I deserved, so that I could then upgrade in other areas.
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It is all interconnected.
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It's pretty fascinating when you start to write the ship.
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Everything kind of comes together and you can make those changes pretty quickly, I think.
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It really is the benefit and disadvantage of the interconnection, the benefit being that once you start to hit one domino down, the rest will fall.
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But unfortunately it works the same in reverse as well.
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Right, the more you drink or eat in ways, for example, that don't work for you, the more you think you don't deserve a great partner or you don't deserve the money.
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It works good and bad when you start the cycle.
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Let's go back to the type and how you can train yourself to make different choices.
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You have this thing that you call the bad overlooker.
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Speak to us about spotting the signs.
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How quickly you should spot the signs, and I believe you call it.
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Oh, the liabilities.
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Oh, my God, you just opened up so many cans of worms.
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Ok, so let's start with this.
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If you do not understand the problems of your parents' love lives and their parents and their marriages, you're really searching for your keys in the dark.
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The first thing I make all my clients do, whether it's private coaching or in my digital course, is examine your lineage, understand your genetic, epigenetic and environmental influences period.
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Right, like?
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I'm sorry, but if you wanna learn a new language, you're gonna have to learn a new language.
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But first let's understand the language you grew up with.
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Is X, y or Z?
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So you need to understand very clearly what you've been handed down.
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And then you need to also understand your relationship history to see which patterns you've been following.
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Good news it's usually only one or two patterns.
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Right, for me it was.
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I would pick the bad boy and then I would pick, you know, a total dud who was really good to me.
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I would go back and forth and back and forth in that pattern.
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I didn't have a million patterns.
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I would either pick a bad guy who wasn't that into me, or I would pick a really, really good guy I wasn't attracted to.
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It wasn't that complicated what my patterns were To see that, to see where it came from in my lineage and to see why it was protecting me from having to be vulnerable, to go okay, next round.
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I'm going for all three.
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I want attraction, I want trust and connection and I want it to make sense in my life.
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Right, I want all three of those things.
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We call it the three H's.
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I was able to change my type just by getting radically clear on what I had been doing and why that was futile and then telling everybody, right, that's why I also have a group.
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You know, I have group accountability.
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I have a group within my digital course and I have accountability, obviously with my clients, because it is hard to break the pattern.
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But if you're very clear about what it is, if you are honoring your lineage by breaking it, and if you have a group or some accountability, like a coach or a buddy around you, to go, no, you're not doing that anymore, you're just not doing that anymore.
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It's like quitting smoking, like, yes, you used to be a smoker, now you're not.
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That combination of factors does help you start to practice something new, try something new and then, just like any new skill, a new language, a new instrument.
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The more you practice that new one, the more fluent you become, the more skilled you become, the more you start to relate to yourself.
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As that's my new type, that's my new way I do it.
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That's a summary of changing your type.
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Do you work?
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on those thoughts.
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You said that we say 85% of negative thoughts, so do you just keep training your brain that this is my new type?
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This is how I'm living my life.
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These are the healthier choices I'm making.