Stolen Innocence & Surviving Abduction: Jan Broberg on Trust, Trauma, and Triumph

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I'm Carrie Brett and this is Shot at Love.

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Today we have an incredibly inspiring guest, jan Broberg, whose story of resilience and recovery will leave you speechless.

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As a child, jan was abducted, kidnapped and manipulated by a trusted family friend.

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These traumatic occurrences are detailed in the book Stolen Innocence, the Jan Broberg story, the Netflix documentary Abducted in Plain Sight and the Peacock miniseries A Friend of the Family, which highlights the depth of betrayal she endured.

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Despite these unimaginable experiences, she has emerged as a beacon of hope and a powerful advocate for survivors everywhere.

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Join us as we dive into Jan's story.

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Hear her powerful message of hope and unwavering courage.

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You won't want to miss it, so stay tuned.

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As a child, jan Broberg went through things no child should ever go through being abducted twice when she was kidnapped as a young girl, which you can learn about in the nine-part series A Friend of the Family and the documentary A Friend of the Family, true Evil.

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Today, she'll share her expertise around grooming and how she rebuilt her life and empowers others.

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Today, jan is here all the way from Utah, and it is my honor to introduce her today, hi Jan.

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Thanks so much for being here, hi Keri.

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Hi, thank you so much.

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This is awesome to be here.

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I'm so excited to have you.

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I have been waiting really all summer to speak with you.

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It's true.

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We had to reschedule and it's been a wait worth waiting for, I hope, because for me, meeting you is just a real privilege and I'm very excited to get to know the audience that would be listening today, because I feel like I have a lot to share and I hope that it helps just one person you know, it's every individual that I care about out there.

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And what I love about you is that your heart is still so big and beautiful and even though you've overcome so many things, it hasn't changed.

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It hasn't broken your spirit, and that's true.

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That's pretty amazing, because most people would live and harbor that anger and just feel wronged and robbed, and I know you have moments of that.

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But you really had to have forgiveness in your heart.

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Yeah, that's very true, and I know that when people ask, like what's the secret, you know, to healing, I said, well, the first two things that always come to mind are, you know, my dad, who would say, every day is a bonus, and so attitude towards what that day is and how you get through it is everything.

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So gratitude and being able to let go those two things, if you can learn those two things, how to do those things every day.

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And they're a practice, they're not just a, they're not a religious belief, as much as they are a practice in how to deal with humans and our own humanity and the experiences that we go through.

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And once I feel like I mastered those things and it took time and I I did a TEDx talk in Boulder, colorado, and I talked a lot about how I built my muscle for looking for things to be grateful for and how it saved me on the day that my stepdaughter was in a car accident and what I went through in the course of that day and what I went through in the course of that day.

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And so you can watch that TEDx talk to hear more about my method for building the muscle of gratitude and how important it became, on that, one of my worst days and I've had many of those moments in my life, since my kidnapping, since being raped as a child, since being brainwashed.

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There have been other very difficult times in my life since my kidnapping, since being raped as a child, since being brainwashed.

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There have been other very difficult times in my life and I had to build those muscles and put those in my I don't know what do you call it A tool, belt or something but it really it saved me many times.

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It has saved me having the ability to let go, to forgive, having the ability to find something to be grateful for, even on the darkest day.

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Right, Right.

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Well, let's go back to the beginning of your story Before we talk about your husband and how that marriage didn't sustain once you lost your stepchild that's very common that that marriage couldn't take the pressure of that loss.

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It's so hard and I'm so sorry that you went through all that and but you're still here today and inspiring everyone around you.

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Yeah, and I'm still good friends with my ex-husband and there've been times when we've thought gosh, it's been 20 years almost since Tess died and maybe we should just get back together.

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We could just be best friends, you know, because now all of our kids are grown up and doing life on their own.

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But you know, I don't know, if that's the shot at love that's coming back around on the circle for me, or if it's maybe we're business partners, I don't know, but I I'm open.

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And.

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I definitely believe that love does surround us, even if it's not in a romantic way.

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There's many people that I love and that love me in my life, right now, Even right even as we speak.

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Yeah, and you can be happy on your own in that interim time as well, and you've really worked on self-compassion and self-love and I can see that you learn that from your parents and we'll talk about their story too, because I know you still.

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you live with your mom and yeah, my mom has dementia now and she's lived here, uh, when I was living in Los Angeles for almost 10 years, at at about the five year mark, my parents uh decided that they needed to get out of the cold of Idaho, and so they moved uh into Southern Utah, which is where my home is, and they moved into my house after I told my renters I wasn't selling, and my parents moved into this house and so my father and mother both lived in my home and after my dad died, I just, of course, I came back to this area from Los Angeles about a year and a half before dad passed to help care for him.

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And then now I have my mom and it feels like it's her home and it's wonderful to be able to have that connection so that she can, you know, still putter around Like she's always been a busy on my feet, got to be working, you know, since she was, you know, in the beet fields and potato fields when she was nine and 10 years old, making a quarter an hour or whatever it was, picking beets and potatoes.

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She's just a worker, and so in my home she feels like she knows it and she can go outside and pull weeds and cut branches off trees and still climb.

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You know tall trees.

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My mother is that person.

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That's so amazing, other than she can't remember what you said a minute ago.

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She's still knows me and and most of the family she recognizes most of the time.

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But it's hard when parents start to disappear.

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You know, and I just love that I that I can have her here, and that my dad, he, he died right here in my home as well, on hospice care right here, and so it's been a great blessing for me to care for.

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My parents Loved me unconditionally since we're talking about love today and because of that, it was a very big deal in my healing process after everything happened in my in my tween and teen years.

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Yeah, Wow.

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So it's amazing how they just held out hope that you would come back and they just they were emitting love and welcomed you back with open arms when you did return home.

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So tell us a little bit about what happened.

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When you first met Robert Birchtold, you were only nine years old and he had a big effect on you.

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Yes, and on all of us.

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I mean, we met him, his wife and five children at church.

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So the first time that I ever remember him and the family was I was singing a little song in church and afterwards he, you know, just kind of stopped.

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I think it was my mom.

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My dad was always in leadership in the church, so dad always had another meeting and we'd be done with church and on our way home and dad had to stay, and so I don't remember my dad being there, but I remember my mom and us three girls and he kind of stopped us in the foyer before we went out to our car in the parking lot and he said oh, these girls, what beautiful girls.

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And he goes, I've got all these rambunctious boys.

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And he said I just wanted to compliment your daughter on her beautiful singing voice.

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And that was such a beautiful song and, and from that point on the charm for I mean, of course, even as a nine-year-old I loved hearing that because I had done my first plays by then.

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I'd played Gretel in the Sound of Music.

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Already.

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I was already on my way to finding the passion of my life, the real love of my life, which is acting and producing theater or being in film and television.

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I just love that.

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It's saved my life in many ways throughout my kidnappings and all the abuse and the manipulation and the mind control that was going on three years later, which, those first three years with Robert Birchtold and his wife and five children, were magic.

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They were so much fun.

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We did hundreds of activities together.

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They had, you know, the boat and the snowmobiles and the trampoline.

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We didn't have those things.

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My dad was a humble florist who owned a flower shop and he did okay, right, but we didn't feel poor.

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But I realized, looking back, like we had far less than I ever realized and they had all the toys.

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So he had a way of being the Pied Piper which he was and everybody loved him in our neighborhood, in our congregation, our community.

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His paper in the paper, his picture was there when he bought the new furniture store in town and, you know, was showing people furniture and he was kind of, you know, one of those people that people were drawn to because he was so charismatic and he would jump in and do something of service to help us.

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You know, he separated all of our bedrooms which was one gigantic room downstairs.

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Oh, I can do that.

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I can put up the walls.

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These girls are getting older, let me put in the walls and I'll get the furniture wholesale, because I've got the furniture store and we'll just fix them up and we can paint and we can, you know, and he would just kind of take on a project like that at our home and we all thought, you know, oh, this is so fun, and we'll bring him the treats and make sure he has a drink in his hands.

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You know water and apple juice and you know whatever or fresca, or whatever you know.

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You know you look back and realize the whole time all he was doing was actually grooming everybody around us, and especially my parents and all of us girls.

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We truly fell in love with his wife, who was so sweet, taught us how to paint ceramics and the best chocolate chip cookie recipe I've ever had that I still use to this day was gell burchtold's, and we had picnics on the living room floor.

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We would go to movies together.

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He took us to all the science fiction movies or we would watch them on TV, like Planet of the Apes, and we'd watch it together as families, you know, and he would talk about you know it was.

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It was the space.

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You know it was really the race to space and so much about flying saucers and things that would be in the newspaper and he would tell us stories about you know how there was a big round circle in this field.

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You know at uh that his wife's father had found who had this big farm and this big circle and saw these lights.

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You know that went in this kind of circular thing motion into the air and the car didn't work right and it never worked right after that, you know, and he'd say these stories and sometimes my dad would get after him and go you're scaring the kids, don't, don't tell these this, these untrue stories.

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I mean that's you know what my dad would kind of step in if he thought we were getting a little bit scared from the story.

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But he just knew how to divide and conquer.

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He'd separate the kids and take all the kids.

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He'd separate mom and give her the compliments.

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He'd separate dad by going walking into the flower shop let's go to lunch, broberg.

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And you know he had a special relationship that he was creating individually with everybody, as well as the entire family, because we did many, many activities, all of us together.

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So when he picked me up to go horseback riding, and now this is my it's, I'm 12.

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This is the fall of 1974.

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He picked me up for my piano lesson.

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He was like a, you know, favorite uncle.

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You know, my dad had a twin brother who also lived in Pocatello, who had four boys that we were also matched in age with.

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So we were very used to my Uncle Dick walking through the back door.

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Nobody ever knocked in Pocatello, idaho, you know, you just opened the door and that's what he had been doing now for years.

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He would open the back door it's going to be a great day, brobergs and all us kids would go pile in his car with his boys and he'd take us all to school because the elementary school was on his way to work and so he was picking us up for school and it was idyllic until it wasn't Right and we saw nothing coming.

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Until that day he picked up for my piano lesson and I had begged my mom to let me go horseback riding because he had it all planned out at the ranch and we'd been there before, and she said but it's a school night and I don't want you to go and your dad definitely doesn't want you to go.

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My father had started to kind of pull away about six months earlier.

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He had started to say we do too much with this family, we love them.

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And he had started to say we do too much with this family, we love them.

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And of course they're always welcome at our home and of course we were all just 100% involved in the relationships we were having.

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Like his oldest son, jerry, was my age.

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He's the first boy I ever wrote about in my little diary that he held my hand while he pushed me on the swing as we walked from the park.

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You know so we had relationships with all of the members of his family that he held my hand while he pushed me on the swing as we walked from the park.

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You know so we had relationships with all of the members of his family and they were close relationships and he made sure of that.

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And so I begged and begged and my mom finally caved in and my dad was so mad that she let me go horseback riding on a school night.

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He was like Marianne, why, you know, he just always gets his own way.

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It's like he thinks he's in charge of my family and my kids and I'm just tired of it and it's too much.

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And yet he was planning the perfect crime and he kidnapped me.

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And so I feel like that's the mother protective Like she.

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She wanted you to go because you wanted to go, but somewhere your parents were like this is not right.

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So he picks you up from the horseback riding lesson, drugs you with an allergy pill.

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Yeah, it was actually.

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I was at my piano lesson and he picked me up to go horseback riding and gave me my allergy pill because I'm allergic to horses.

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Okay, never made it.

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I went into a deep sleep and the next thing I knew I woke up in the back of a motorhome that had a partition between the front and the back it was the back bed that sits at the back of a motorhome and I was restrained with leather straps around my wrists and my ankles.

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And this box became the most terrifying thing of my whole experience.

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It was playing in my ear, this high-pitched, funny voice that sounded like an alien voice, which I had been, you know already prepped to be afraid of.

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And that's what I woke up to was totally alone, restrained, with straps around my wrists and ankles, and this voice calling me female companion, in this high pitched, very staccato sounding voice.

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And people ask me well, how long did it take you to be convinced that there were aliens?

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I'm like I don't know five seconds.

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I mean, it was so scary.

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And I didn't see him for at least a couple of days.

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I, you know, of course I'm in and out of a deep sleep because of the sleeping, whatever pill he gave me then and sometimes I'd be in a deep sleep and I'd wake up and the restraints were off and I'd be told by the voice you know, we have food.

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It's in that cooler there's, you know, go to the bathroom and then lay back down on the bed and all my favorite things were in the cooler the Almond Joy bar, the tuna fish sandwiches, the squirt, you know the kinds of things that it felt like they had been watching me, like they knew me.

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It was all perfectly planned out.

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He was a very organized criminal and a very patient pedophile, because as I look back, I know now of two other girls before me, so he already had somebody that he was victimizing at the time.

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He was planning all of this for those three years that we were best friends, you know, with the family, yeah, wow so terror.

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The first kidnapping was how many, how many uh almost 50 days I think it was 49 days before we were found by the fbi working with the federales in mazatlan, mexico, in a trailer park and they stormed it early in the morning, still being in in bed asleep, and the sun wasn't quite up and they kicked the door in and grabbed us and we went to a you know one of those iconic Mexican prisons where you've got a big courtyard outside and then you've got rooms down, kind of in a almost like a basement area, but it's with a big courtyard, and then they put me in a room with just a single chair.

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And of course I didn't speak Spanish at the time.

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I do now, but I I didn't have any idea what was going on, except that I was so scared and put my legs up on the chair and watch the little mice run around the perimeter of the room and go in and out of the wall and no one fed me, no one talked to me until I was taken out of the room by one of the guards and led down into the bowels of the Mexican prison and was allowed to talk to Birchtold B through the bars and I know this now, I didn't know this then, but he had given his wedding ring to the guard and said I need to talk to my daughter, I need to talk to her.

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And he told me that the aliens were watching us and that they, of course, had been watching me since I was born, which I already knew that from all of the brainwashing that had happened during these 50 days and that we couldn't talk about them.

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We couldn't talk about the relaxing medication and we couldn't talk about the fact that I was supposed to have a baby, which is why he that was.

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The excuse for why he was raping me is that I was to have a baby because I was half.

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I was half alien myself.

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I was half alien and half human and I was going to have the baby that would save their dying planet, whatever the name of that planet was.

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And so that was the story.

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And he made sure that I knew the rules and that if I didn't follow those things, if I told about any of those things, I would be vaporized, which I don't know.

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They never explained what vaporized meant.

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I just knew it was hot and steamy and I thought I would boil.

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Vaporized, which I don't know.

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They never explained what vaporized meant.

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I just knew it was hot and steamy and I thought I would boil from the inside out and melt from being steamed from the inside out, vaporized, and that my spirit and my body both would be destroyed.

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So that was a very scary.

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That was the scariest threat I think I had was thinking that I had no chance at my spirit surviving.

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My spirit wouldn't live on, you know, because I've been taught that all my life, that I had a spirit and a body and that the spirit lives forever, you know, and I would still be somewhere, you know, and thinking that I wouldn't exist anymore was so frightening to me.

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Well, I think somewhere along the lines you said something like I had to believe that this is love because your mind couldn't accept that this was evil.

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Oh no, not at all.

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I, it definitely was.

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Like he was also part of this plan of.

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He was the male companion and he was given to me for a special reason and purpose and of course, I already loved him.

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I just didn't love him like that, you know.

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And so he did such an amazing job of the mind and brainwashing in that story of appealing to my higher sense of purpose, as well as giving me gifts as well, as they gave threats Like if I didn't do it, my little sister would be taken, and she also was half human, half alien, and she would do the, she would have the baby to save the dying planet.

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My little sister Susan, my middle sister, karen, would go blind.

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If I didn't follow one of the rules, my father would be killed and removed that's what they said, not killed, that he would be removed from the family and the male companion would take over my family, you know.

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So my dad would be removed and he would be, you know, then he'd have access to three little girls.

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I'm sure that was all part of the plan.

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I'm sure it was all part of the plan.

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I'm sure it was too what your brain does to survive, because you're surviving.

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So you're freezing, or you're fighting, or you're flying.

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You know you're flying away or you're fawning.

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And for me, as that very prepubescent little tween, I didn't hit puberty until I was 17, until after he was out of my life more or less not that he was ever completely out of my life, because he would come back into my life at various points and times throughout my life but I would fawn.

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It was fawning, it was trying to please the aliens, it was trying to please him.

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It was trying to, and I made myself, I.

00:23:19.290 --> 00:23:28.012
This whole situation, in order to survive, made me say, oh, I'm in love with him, I love him, and it made me silent.

00:23:28.272 --> 00:23:39.757
I never told anybody what he was doing to me right, and so that opened up the portal for him to kidnap you the second time, and this time it's a lot longer.

00:23:39.757 --> 00:23:42.701
He takes you, puts you into a catholic school.

00:23:42.701 --> 00:23:45.228
This part is insane.

00:23:45.228 --> 00:24:11.694
To even like the audacity and the risk that he took to do that, it's almost like I mean, he's way worse than a narcissist, but but Right, but he's definitely that and he's a psychopath, totally Brilliant in some ways and so charismatic, thinking he can get away with it.

00:24:11.734 --> 00:24:13.459
Because that is exactly what he did.

00:24:13.459 --> 00:24:30.026
Put me in a boarding school in Pasadena, california, had a whole plan paperwork that he was a CIA agent and we had escaped the crisis in Laos and my mother had been killed and that people were after him and they would come looking for me.

00:24:30.026 --> 00:24:40.391
And if they found me, if the nuns told them that I was there, they would take me and torture me to get to him because he would come and, of of course, would have to come and rescue me.

00:24:40.391 --> 00:24:53.211
And these sweet, sweet nuns again so kind, believed every word he said, took me under their wing and protected me and fed me.

00:24:53.211 --> 00:24:58.667
And I had a cute little roommate from Japan named Jacinta Lobo.

00:24:58.667 --> 00:25:00.531
I want someday to find her.

00:25:00.531 --> 00:25:02.276
She was always so sweet.

00:25:02.276 --> 00:25:12.171
When sometimes I would cry in my bed and she didn't know why, she would say, oh, jen, we take the tears and we make them go into the breeze and have happy tears.

00:25:12.171 --> 00:25:19.068
She was so cute and sweet to me and that was my little roommate in the boarding school and I was 14.

00:25:19.109 --> 00:25:38.222
The second time he took me, I'd been home for about a year and a half, I'd been through one court hearing and, of course, when they asked me if he had ever done any, you know, if he touched me or whatever the guy asked, I was like, oh gross, no, you know, I knew how to answer the questions, to refute everything.

00:25:38.222 --> 00:26:00.752
And then, basically, I wrote a letter to my parents that he told me to write and had it all written out for me, and I wrote it just like he had written it, and I left a letter for my mom and dad and he was at my bedroom window, the bedroom that he had created in the very back of the basement, the last room of the house that had two windows, and he was right there to help me out of my window and I, I staged a big fight with my parents.

00:26:00.752 --> 00:26:09.789
You don't understand, you know me, I don't want anything to do with you, or you know, and it was so, not me and my sister Karen.

00:26:09.789 --> 00:26:20.719
Whenever she gets interviewed, she's like it was so obvious in that letter that she wrote and left for us that it wasn't her, because it was so unlike her, you know.

00:26:20.719 --> 00:26:32.155
And yet I did exactly what I was told and then he was right there to help me out of my bedroom window and and took me to California and I was gone for four months, the whole entire.

00:26:32.877 --> 00:26:35.685
It was in August that I was kidnapped the second time.

00:26:35.685 --> 00:26:42.239
The first time it was October, and this was August, a year and a half later, yeah, and then it continued.

00:26:42.704 --> 00:26:49.497
There does come a point where you've realized that this is not true.

00:26:49.497 --> 00:27:00.278
And your mom, both your parents, were manipulated and had relations with him.

00:27:00.278 --> 00:27:03.150
Yes, so which was part of the plan?

00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:11.872
So that they they believed that they would, that they were bad parents and that they made mistakes and that they would lose all of you.

00:27:12.875 --> 00:27:23.268
Yes, that actually the thing that the masturbation experience that happened with my father happened before the first kidnapping, which is why I think he started pulling away.

00:27:23.268 --> 00:27:32.900
I think when that happened, he felt so guilty because my dad was such a religious man and he went and told his church authorities.

00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:35.046
You know, this experience happened.

00:27:35.046 --> 00:27:35.988
I feel terrible.

00:27:35.988 --> 00:27:45.030
You know, discipline me, however you need to, and it was something that my dad carried for the rest of his life because he felt like I was an adult.

00:27:45.030 --> 00:27:51.955
But he could make you feel like you were 16, with your cousins out in the barn and your twin brother, and he, just he was like.

00:27:51.955 --> 00:27:57.733
You know, it was very difficult to see through him because he knew exactly.

00:27:57.733 --> 00:27:58.836
He just knew it was like he knew exactly.

00:27:58.836 --> 00:28:05.690
He just knew it was like he knew what people might do and then regret so that he could hold that over their heads.

00:28:05.750 --> 00:28:14.545
Like you know, blackmail and right but that was all calculated, that's the calculation, that's the grooming, that's the brilliant and that was right.

00:28:15.247 --> 00:28:26.117
It really is hard to see grooming and groomers who are really masterful at it that it just looks like somebody you already know, you already trust, you already love it.

00:28:26.117 --> 00:28:37.573
It doesn't look like a scary stranger and that's why I tell my story over and over and I hope to get the message out is that it's so subtle and they're so good at it that you would never suspect.

00:28:37.573 --> 00:28:59.983
And then when you, your child or your tween or their sibling or a friend or somebody says something to you like I think that uncle, so-and-so, or this cousin or teacher that got teacher of the year last year, they say something to you that might raise a red flag, you're immediately dismissing it and like, oh, you're what I mean.

00:28:59.983 --> 00:29:00.892
They would never do that.

00:29:00.892 --> 00:29:19.355
That's what you're thinking and because that's how good they are at this and that's the myth that I want to break in the world is that it is someone you already know, you already trust that's the person, because they are manipulating you into a love scenario and it's not real.

00:29:19.355 --> 00:29:22.201
It's all smoke and mirrors.

00:29:22.201 --> 00:29:28.662
Or it's your child and or it's your husband or your wife, which is what happened to my parents.

00:29:28.721 --> 00:29:35.356
And then between the two kidnappings, because Birchtold was calling our house every day.

00:29:35.356 --> 00:29:37.246
I mean people think, oh, the guy was put away.

00:29:37.246 --> 00:29:39.549
I'm like, no, the guy's back home with his family.

00:29:39.549 --> 00:29:44.176
I mean he's out of jail within days of him being brought back from Mexico.

00:29:44.176 --> 00:29:49.114
You know, he's already, there's already bail and he's already out and he's already back home with his family.

00:29:49.114 --> 00:29:54.494
And he's already at church with my family, going to the same church and sitting three benches away.

00:29:54.494 --> 00:29:56.866
People never think about that part.

00:29:56.866 --> 00:30:05.231
And I'm like, and he's still contacting me, he's still getting notes to me from you know different kids that I didn't even know at school.

00:30:05.231 --> 00:30:16.234
That would hand me a note and it would say go to this phone booth on the corner of you know center and fifth and sit down on the floor and the phone will ring because we didn't have cell phones or anything in the seventies.

00:30:16.234 --> 00:30:23.897
And I would sit there and the phone would ring and it would be him or it would be the alien voice on the other end of the line and it would tell me what I was supposed to do next.

00:30:23.897 --> 00:30:26.329
I mean it was like I lived in constant terror.

00:30:26.329 --> 00:30:33.020
I believe they were watching me all the time and that I had to do everything they said because I didn't want my little sister to be taken.

00:30:33.020 --> 00:30:34.685
I didn't want my other sister to go blind.

00:30:34.685 --> 00:30:36.169
I didn't want my dad to be removed.

00:30:36.169 --> 00:30:49.366
I was trying to do everything I could to you know, be in love with Birchtold, to do all the right things so that the male companion could get out of jail and that we could continue on this mission.

00:30:49.366 --> 00:30:52.218
And still prepubescent, you know still all of that.

00:30:52.259 --> 00:31:00.087
But I didn't follow the same rules because my body was an alien body and, truthfully, it looked like an alien body, like every alien thing that you ever see.

00:31:00.087 --> 00:31:07.292
I look at that and I'm like, yeah, that's what my body looked like, that skinny, long, limbed but tiny little alien body with no breasts.

00:31:07.292 --> 00:31:12.147
And you know nothing, nothing except that that's what I looked like.

00:31:12.147 --> 00:31:20.922
And I would run from the shower in my in my middle school, you know, I would just run to get to the shower after gym class.

00:31:20.922 --> 00:31:23.230
That was a shared shower with multiple shower heads.

00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:31.204
I would run as fast as I could so I could hurry and get the towel, so that I didn't have to have other girls see me because I didn't look like the other girls.

00:31:31.464 --> 00:31:43.348
I was just this tiny little thing and you know I look back on all of these things and how he manipulated my mother into a short-lived affair that they had between the two kidnappings.

00:31:43.348 --> 00:31:51.720
But this is how it happens, right, he had already for years been giving her little secret compliments and oh, I wish I'd have met you first.

00:31:51.720 --> 00:32:04.868
And oh, you have such beautiful legs and you know doing all the things that you know my mom's been married for you know 13, you know 14 years now and and you don't have all the same fluttery whatever.

00:32:04.868 --> 00:32:10.991
And he comes in and knows exactly what to say and exactly how to close to get to her neck and and her ear and what to.

00:32:10.991 --> 00:32:20.292
You know he just he did it all on purpose and between the two kidnappings he would call our house every day while my dad was at work.

00:32:20.292 --> 00:32:21.535
He knew my dad's routine.

00:32:21.535 --> 00:32:23.196
My dad owned a flower shop.

00:32:23.196 --> 00:32:24.598
He would call our house every day while my dad was at work.

00:32:24.598 --> 00:32:25.138
He knew my dad's routine.

00:32:25.138 --> 00:32:26.161
My dad owned a flower shop.

00:32:26.161 --> 00:32:37.623
He was gone at this time and he got home at this time and call, and my mother half the time she would try not to even answer the phone, but at some point when you've had a phone ringing constantly, you pick it up and it would be him, marianne.

00:32:37.623 --> 00:32:39.626
Marianne, you know how much I love your family.

00:32:39.626 --> 00:32:40.750
I would never have hurt Jan.

00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:42.231
I want to tell you the whole reason.

00:32:42.231 --> 00:32:43.795
I want to tell you what happened.

00:32:44.496 --> 00:32:52.367
And at one point, my mother, who had said we can't have any relationship with you there's this court thing pending.

00:32:52.367 --> 00:33:01.720
You've already manipulated us into signing paperwork that you didn't do anything, and now we know that you've done something wrong.

00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.385
Taking our daughter was wrong.

00:33:03.385 --> 00:33:07.575
My mom knows this, but she doesn't have any idea what he's done to me.

00:33:07.575 --> 00:33:10.969
And he gets her to come down because he's now moved down.

00:33:10.969 --> 00:33:14.015
He himself has moved down to Utah.

00:33:14.015 --> 00:33:16.686
He's not in Idaho at this, at this point in time.

00:33:16.686 --> 00:33:27.193
So my mom goes down to meet with him at this cafe and ends up going back to his motor home where he says it was like I was watching Jan.

00:33:27.273 --> 00:33:28.336
I was watching you.

00:33:28.336 --> 00:33:32.771
It was you standing at the stove, it was you sleeping by my side.

00:33:32.771 --> 00:33:33.814
It was you.

00:33:33.814 --> 00:33:36.506
I've always wanted it to be you, marianne.

00:33:36.506 --> 00:33:51.211
And when that all happened, and all the seduction had already happened for years earlier, then at that point my mom said I just, instead of turning away and walking out, I turned towards him and he kissed me and then that was it.

00:33:51.211 --> 00:33:58.082
And she said you know, I've I've wondered, you know how I could have done that to your father?

00:33:58.082 --> 00:34:01.973
For one thing because I love your dad and my parents' marriage did survive.

00:34:02.375 --> 00:34:03.457
Right, which is incredible.

00:34:03.585 --> 00:34:06.724
And she did come to her senses before the second kidnapping happened.

00:34:06.724 --> 00:34:26.396
My mother had seen, kind of through him, after a handful of sexual interactions with him, that she would go and she took us all us girls at one time to go see the Birchtold family who had moved by this time this was like into the second year after I had come home.

00:34:26.396 --> 00:34:33.474
The first time had been brought home and she said I remember being drugged.

00:34:33.474 --> 00:34:34.829
Now that I look back on it.

00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:43.858
He gave me something to drink and I remember having been asleep in a chair and kind of waking up and you were there.

00:34:43.858 --> 00:34:46.273
It was just you and me at that moment.

00:34:46.273 --> 00:34:48.793
I don't know where Karen and Susan were at the time.

00:34:48.793 --> 00:34:52.235
I think we had gone to see his new fun center or something.

00:34:52.235 --> 00:35:24.789
So you know, and she remembers that and she's like I don't know, something probably happened to you while I was asleep, you know, and something definitely happened with me, because I remember the I think she said four or five times that it was that she and then my dad filed for a divorce because he thought she was endangering us, my dad not knowing but feeling something was very wrong with this man by now that he would take me and then we were all still so in love with the Birchtold family I mean we all were begging.

00:35:24.789 --> 00:35:29.306
Please let us go visit them up in Ogden and in Utah.

00:35:29.306 --> 00:35:40.373
We were still in Idaho and my parents lived in that same house until they finally retired and sold the flower shop and moved down and then lived with me here in warmer weather.

00:35:40.773 --> 00:35:46.192
If you could go back, if you watch A Friend of the Family on Peacock, you will see how it unfolds.

00:35:46.192 --> 00:35:54.344
If you only watch Abducted in Plain Sight, the Netflix documentary, you'll be shocked and you'll be mad and you'll have a reaction to this story.

00:35:54.344 --> 00:35:55.688
And that's great.

00:35:55.688 --> 00:36:02.795
If it makes you react in the way that says how do these master manipulators and predators get away with this?

00:36:02.795 --> 00:36:04.869
That makes you mad, then that's good.

00:36:04.869 --> 00:36:06.996
But if you're mad at my parents, you're mad at the wrong people.

00:36:06.996 --> 00:36:07.405
I agree.

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I mean, do you think, because he's such a master, because he was such a master, I do believe a lot of it had to do with the time you, in the community that you lived in and there was no internet and there was no cell phone and all that.

00:37:49.068 --> 00:37:50.992
Well, and we didn't even know what a pedophile was.

00:37:50.992 --> 00:37:55.025
I mean, that was not a word that my parents had heard of a child molester.

00:37:55.025 --> 00:38:00.949
But even our wonderful FBI agent said I'll have to go look it up in the book to tell you exactly what a pedophile is.

00:38:00.949 --> 00:38:03.472
But it's some kind of a fascination they have with kids.

00:38:03.472 --> 00:38:05.333
That's basically how he described it.

00:38:05.333 --> 00:38:07.014
It's a fascination with children.

00:38:07.014 --> 00:38:09.534
And they were like no, that's not him.

00:38:09.534 --> 00:38:12.317
He loves all of us and he would never hurt her.

00:38:12.317 --> 00:38:14.217
I mean, they trusted him.

00:38:14.378 --> 00:38:20.802
Again, this is the friend of the family and how they, these types of people, come in.

00:38:20.822 --> 00:38:33.391
The teacher of the year, like you mentioned the scout, master, the priest, the church leader, somebody who's already trusted and highly trusted in the community.

00:38:33.391 --> 00:38:36.659
It's somebody, it's the patriarch in your family, it's the person that you all trust.

00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:44.527
It's the grandpa, the father I'm sorry, but that's 70% of the time that's who's perpetrating the child.

00:38:44.527 --> 00:38:54.271
Is the father, the grandfather, then it's a stepfather, a mother, a stepmother and a grandmother.

00:38:54.271 --> 00:39:13.329
But the first echelon of abusers are fathers, grandfathers and an older brother or cousin and unfortunately it's generally it's more often the male.

00:39:13.329 --> 00:39:15.152
There are women abusers, for sure.

00:39:15.152 --> 00:39:21.240
There's a lot of physical abusers that are women and there are sexual assault abusers who are women.

00:39:21.240 --> 00:39:23.351
It's just a much smaller number.

00:39:23.351 --> 00:39:24.650
So we just have to get real.

00:39:24.650 --> 00:39:26.773
Like, what has gone wrong here?

00:39:26.773 --> 00:39:28.510
Why can't we find love?

00:39:28.510 --> 00:39:30.670
What has gone wrong with so many men?

00:39:31.434 --> 00:39:38.297
Right, sorry, but again, what I want to talk about is that you were able to move forward.

00:39:38.297 --> 00:39:56.737
So, yes, this is the most incredible story of a family that could have been destroyed, but love kept you together and love is more powerful than evil yes, 100%, a hundred percent of the time.

00:39:57.458 --> 00:39:58.619
It absolutely is.

00:39:58.980 --> 00:40:10.606
And so you get married young and tell us a little bit about your journey as far as creating a life for yourself.

00:40:11.827 --> 00:40:25.498
So it's interesting, after I was, you know, found the second time and brought home and had to go through like I had been a runaway and so I had to spend a night in jail in Los Angeles and it was the scary, it was so scary.

00:40:25.498 --> 00:40:48.536
I was in there with a bunch of other young, I guess they were my age, I guess they were 14 and young under you know, I guess they weren't adults, but they look like scary adults and they were loud and mean and I hid behind a garbage can that the only piece of anything except benches in this holding cell, I guess and had to be processed, you know, had to be fingerprinted.

00:40:48.536 --> 00:40:52.472
I went home and I was put in my own hometown jail for the night.

00:40:52.472 --> 00:40:55.038
My FBI agent about had a heart attack.

00:40:55.038 --> 00:41:03.751
He brought me, he brought me food and magazines and you'll get through it and you're by yourself, so there won't be anybody to bother you and we'll get you out of here, you know, by tomorrow.

00:41:04.393 --> 00:41:25.007
And so this little 14 year old girl, who still hasn't hit puberty, who's still like 90 pounds and, you know, five feet tall, and has been brutally, you know, mentally raped and terrorized as well as physically, for all you know, these two and a half years of on and off while I was kidnapped, and then he would find ways to hook up with me.

00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:28.355
You know, even when I was at home between and then after.

00:41:28.355 --> 00:41:38.146
So I still, after the second kidnapping, I am still professing to my parents my love for B and that I'm supposed to be with him.

00:41:38.146 --> 00:41:41.876
And if you won't let me just go and be with him, then I will just run away again.

00:41:41.876 --> 00:41:46.733
You know, I am playing the part of of.

00:41:46.733 --> 00:41:52.670
You know, and I don't know if in Idaho at that time, if you had your parents permission, you could be married at 14.

00:41:52.670 --> 00:42:06.894
But I have a feeling that that was still the law on the books at the time, because I remember him saying we just have to pressure your mom and dad to give you permission to marry me so we can finish this mission, so we can be done with this mission, you know, for you to have the baby, to save the dying planet.

00:42:06.894 --> 00:42:08.282
I mean, I'm all in.

00:42:08.422 --> 00:42:47.699
I still believe it, I still am totally under his, his control, 100% of the time I meet up with him, you know, at least every couple of weeks he would find a way, because he's still not in jail, it's so interesting, he only served 19 days in jail from the first kidnapping and he he had kidnapped me the second time, so he's out running around free, but he had been sentenced to 19 days in jail, with time served in Mexico, and so he literally had kidnapped me again and then said I won't see you for a couple of weeks because I have to go serve my time in jail.

00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:55.507
And he literally had me in this Catholic boarding school and then goes back to Salt Lake, which is where I think they ended up in.

00:42:55.507 --> 00:42:57.369
Well, maybe it was Idaho, I don't know.

00:42:57.369 --> 00:43:07.907
But he, he went to jail for 19 days and that was the happiest 19 days on my second kidnapping ever, because I didn't have to see him, I didn't have to do the, the dirty work.

00:43:07.907 --> 00:43:09.931
You know the I didn't have to.

00:43:10.733 --> 00:43:15.045
You know, freeze and suffer through and look and count leaves that I could see out the top of the little fan out of the motorhome.

00:43:15.045 --> 00:43:18.375
You know, freeze and suffer through and look and count leaves that I could see out the top of the little fan out of the motor home.

00:43:18.375 --> 00:43:21.525
You know, count the leaves, jan, just count the leaves and you'll get through this.

00:43:21.525 --> 00:43:24.452
You know kind of thing while he raped me.

00:43:24.452 --> 00:43:28.248
So it's interesting I didn't know that at the time.

00:43:28.248 --> 00:43:30.416
I just knew that he told me I have to go.

00:43:30.416 --> 00:43:36.135
I have to go do something that I won't be able to be coming back every for these next two weekends.

00:43:36.135 --> 00:43:39.190
That's just a side story about you.

00:43:39.190 --> 00:43:40.775
Know how do you make it through something.

00:43:40.775 --> 00:43:41.297
What do you do?

00:43:41.297 --> 00:43:42.849
You count leaves or you count?

00:43:43.512 --> 00:43:54.152
you just count you know you do anything that can take you away from what's happening to your, your little body that's not at all ready for sex of any kind, it's not at all ready for sex of any kind.

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It's still growing and trying to.

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You know, your just brain and body are not ready.

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You know at that little age, and it was a long journey for me to come back from all of those various things and finally to realize at age 16.

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So now we are talking four years it's been two more years after my second kidnapping that he's had control of me and that he's met up with me and he still hasn't gone, because it still hasn't gone to trial and he still hasn't pled mental defect and he still hasn't gone to the psychiatric hospital.

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That he's late, 77 or 78, it was after my 16th birthday.

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But I realize now that the reason I hadn't heard from him for a few weeks was because that trial or that thing was going on, if you do the timeline.

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That was going on and he was now supposed to go serve his time in the mental facility.

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He didn't get any jail time, just that he would go there.

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And we thought that my parents thought that was going to be for a long time and he'd already met the mother of his next victim, the next little girl victim of the next little girl.

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So he had started to lose interest in me.

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He was already charming and getting the next mother to fall in love with him because she had a nine-year-old daughter who was adopted but she wasn't married at the time.

00:45:27.954 --> 00:45:38.471
I think that now that I've met Heidi that's in the Peacock documentary A Friend of the Family, true Evil you see us go to meet Heidi, who was the next little girl.

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I guess there was one in between too, because she told me there was somebody in between and he had showed her pictures of both me and this other little girl and we were both naked.

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I never, ever remember him taking pictures of me naked, so it must have been when I was drugged and she said he showed us the pictures and he said now I want you to be just like them and be, you know, a good girl for dad.

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You know she was like, this is like my dad, and this is what we have to do so that daddy can be a good father to you and everybody else.

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We have to do this and he even tried to use the brainwashing tapes on her once in the car.

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She mentioned that, and so it's so interesting because nobody had ever corroborated that he actually made these alien tapes.

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But my FBI agent, many years later, when we started to do the Netflix documentary, he had a whole box of stuff and the tapes were in there and he said we couldn't make any sense of them.

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They were just these high pitched voices and they were saying all these weird things and you know, we didn't know what it meant at all.

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I mean, we had no idea what they were.

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And she said, oh yeah, he tried to use the tape in the tape cassette player that.

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He said he had been given this tape from a, from a, an alien being.

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And she said that I was a little too old and I had a few friends at school by this time that we had watched some science fiction and had talked about, you know, how people could make tape recordings, and so I never was really sure if it was real or not, so it didn't really work with me, but she did hear them and that was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it Somebody that heard the voices that I'm not the only one that he tried that with Um and he held her.

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I think you, you, um, hold onto that in a way, because, like you said, if you have cancer, everyone believes you, but a lot of the times what you're saying is so unbelievable that it sounds crazy.

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Know what I mean?

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It's like yeah, of course I believe you, of course everyone believes you, but it it probably gives you some kind of like.

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There's the proof, you know he used the same skill set on someone else?

00:47:55.615 --> 00:48:41.317
yes, yeah, and and and beyond being just a masterful perpetrator, a child abuser, a rapist of children, I have four other girls that I now know and that I've either met or I've read their their um story that he also raped, as, and it was always around age nine that the grooming began and around age 11 or 12 that the rape began and about age you know 15, 16, 17 that he stopped because they were aging out and he was on to the next, the younger sibling, like he married a woman in his later years who had two daughters.

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She was a second grade school teacher and I know both of them, but the older one started to age out and then he started on the younger one and the older sister was like I can't let this happen to my younger sister and found her father in Idaho and said you got to come and get us.

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This man that mom's married to is is raping, and mostly she talked about her little sister.

00:49:04.277 --> 00:49:17.956
But I know that it happened to them and you know, when you find these people that you get to finally meet and and you know cause, you're working on a documentary or they've seen your first little self-published book and pictures of him and and they're like oh my gosh, a friend sent me this book.

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Isn't this your stepdad, or was I mean?

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You guys haven't lived here for a long time, do you ever see him?

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He's still married to your mom, you know.

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And they're like, yeah, and we left and we don't even call her mother anymore because she never believed us.

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They called her the woman who gave us birth.

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They would never say that she was their mother because the older sister tried to tell her and she never believed them.

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She said you're such a liar, you just love to make up stories, you know, you just love to, you know, cause trouble.

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And she finally, when it started on her younger sister, she got him out and you know.

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So he was never, ever, ever truly put in jail for any length of time, the mental hospital.

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It was less than a year from my kidnapping the next little girl who finally told some friend at school what was happening.

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She was 17 years old.

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It had been happening since she was 10.

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She'd met him when she was nine for seven years.

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Stolen Innocence & Surviving Abduction: Jan Broberg on Trust, Trauma, and Triumph

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