# 72: Beyond Ayahuasca: Exploring the Realm of Shamanic Healing

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it start with my hands.

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Where my hands would feel like they just become total space then they would swell up as atoms or something and just expand throughout everything.

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And that would sink into my body and my body would explode and become everything, it would just get bigger and bigger.

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Alright.

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Welcome to the New Age Human Podcast.

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I'm your host, Jon Astacio, and today we're talking with Jonathan Beaudette who is a composer, artist, producer who creates music that charges the soul.

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So it's interesting because we first start talking about his awakening from the Matrix experience, like red pill style, and then.

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It just takes a sharp turn into a cluster of fascinating experiences he had with a shaman that his father introduced him to.

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But he actually considers this person more of like a wizard, just based off of the amazing experiences he had.

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We're talking about like, Lord, the Rings style stuff.

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We are, we are good.

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There's no countdown.

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Awesome.

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right, so Jonathan, thanks for coming on the show.

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I'm excited.

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How's it going man?

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It's going really good.

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going great.

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Having a massive storm here in California.

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It's awesome.

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yeah, you were just saying that you, uh, had to go over this to get to your studio and then.

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The rain is falling from the sky, I think, what, eight at?

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At the time of recording 18 hours straight.

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And you're in California, right?

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Yeah.

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though, the, the amount of rain coming down isn't as much as there has been in other storms that have happened less so.

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We've had more rain in more amount of a time.

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I only know this because the, the river by my place.

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Uh, when it floods, it just gets to a certain height you can, it's like wow.

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And, uh, it doesn't quite get there.

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It was pretty high, but not quite.

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So even though it's been raining for 18 hours solid, like in the rain, 45 degrees,'cause the wind's blowing, it was, it's been crazy, but somehow it's just not as much as one other time.

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That was

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insane

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That happened a lot faster.

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I think that's probably why.

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'cause just if it comes down really fast, really intensely, quickly.

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yeah, it's gonna flood extra high, but freaking out

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around here cause it's la what do we do?

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It's raining, you know?

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Every, is everybody running out of their houses screaming, looking at the sky?

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Yeah, exactly.

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You are a composer of sorts and your thing is music.

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And before we start, I have to ask, because we started with the conversation around water.

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What are your thoughts around water and the sound of it for relaxation?

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Have you ever used it?

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And I just, I'm curious about your thoughts.

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Yeah, I have, uh, recordings of rain, my own recordings of rain and ocean also.

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Um, and of course.

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A lot of streams, different types of streams, rivers, little tiny brooks, little everything from waterfalls.

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I just go out in nature and hike a lot and I have a portable mic recording system and I, so I, capture a lot of water sounds actually.

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That's am not surprised.

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pretty awesome.

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That, um, that's actually pretty cool.

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So, uh, I like the idea that, um.

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When I sent you like, questions, funny.

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Um, for the, for the audience, when I have a guest on, I'm like, Hey, you know, setting a, just gimme couple of stories that we can jump into maybe, you know, make it interesting.

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And a lot of times I'm surprised I don't get any, I say, um, the, the, the guest says.

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Two words or completely fills in something completely unrelated.

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And then Jonathan here has like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

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I'm like, this guy is loaded with stories.

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So this is gonna be interesting Um, and right before we started, right before I hit record, I'm like, where do you want to start?

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And we're like, let's just start from the beginning.

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So let's start from the beginning.

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'cause feel like you know what you wanna share.

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ahead, Jonathan.

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Yeah.

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So this is a spiritual based podcast, right?

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So, Yes.

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um.

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I kind of grew up what I call in the muggle world.

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That's a, that's a Harry Potter reference.

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The Muggles for these, I mean, who doesn't know about Harry Potter, but in case you don't, muggles are the regular nonw, non-Ag people.

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They're, and they don't even know the Wizard World exists.

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Okay.

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So I lived in that world, otherwise known as the Matrix.

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Grew up there and everything was good.

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My dad, when I was in high school, my dad started to kind of introduce me to.

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Affirmations or mind over matter type of

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stuff that you could use your mind to change things about

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I'm actually surprised that your father introduced this you.

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'cause that world, the mother, at least in my experience, but go ahead.

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I that in there.

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Yeah.

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No, all my spiritual, um, my spiritual guide really was my dad for a long time.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Not my mom.

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So he, uh, yeah, he was just sort of learning about it himself, so he was just sharing it with me and I kind of took to it.

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So, um, when I, I was a really, really skinny kid in high school and I wanted to be in the Air Force.

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I wanted to be a fighter pilot, so I decided, uh, to join the Air Force, but I was way too, I was like 20 pounds underweight

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Wow.

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for their, minimum, you know.

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So, um, and

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Wait, you, you were Captain America.

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exactly, exactly.

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I, yeah, so this is the mid eighties and there was not like the protein, you know, drinks of today that taste good and everyone's got these amazing formulas and, you know, pea protein, whey protein, you know, all kinds of hemp protein or whatever.

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It's just every kind of cricut protein.

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There's all kinds of protein now.

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So, no, back then it was just a horrible tasting.

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So, but I guzzled it down and I gained 20 pounds so I could get in do my thing.

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And then I lost it all within the first couple days because it, I, it wasn't muscle, it was just, you know, water weight really.

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And they just, you know, sweat you to death in the, in basic training.

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So, but anyway, I grew up in the muggle world and everything seemed normal other than just some.

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Uh, you know, affirmation of mind over matter type stuff, which I was playing with.

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And one of the things was that I wanted to be 150 pounds, which is what my minimum was by, uh, by a certain date that I, so I could get into the Air Force and every night I go to sleep and I just imagine myself being bigger.

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And my mantra was, I weigh 150 pounds.

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I weigh 150 pounds, I weigh 150 pounds.

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And it was just.

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Constant.

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So for what it's worth, I achieved that goal.

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That's not the particular interesting story about it, but it was just my introduction to I'm more than my body and my mind has the power to do all kinds of things.

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So there's some other experiences I have in the Air Force that I, I use that technique.

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But, um, the biggest thing was when I was.

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in Japan, I was stationed in Japan, was my first place, uh, Yokota Airbase.

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And I was living there it was like, I think it was my 20th birthday, my dad's girlfriend, who was really the impetus for all his spiritual growth, his new girlfriend at the time.

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Um, she sent me, uh, Dan Millman's Way, the Peaceful Warrior.

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It's a classic, classic book.

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Um, and I read that book and something happened to me.

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It woke me up.

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It's, you know, have energy, the book, the consciousness, the overall consciousness and whatever code sort of that it had energetically built into it that it hit me and it just sort of woke me up and I was, it was my red pill moment where I.

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Not this new term of red pill.

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It has some sort of new thing With the Zoomers or the Yeah, the, the Zoomers.

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The, uh, gen Z has a red, I don't know, I think it means slightly a little different thing, but, so I'm talking classic matrix.

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Yeah, classic Matrix Yeah.

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You come out of what you thought reality was.

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Yeah, and uh, and I was different.

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I was a very different person and at that time I was reading stuff about, you know, extraterrestrials and quantum physics and.

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Kind of really stretching myself a little bit with that already.

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But that book changed me and all my friends knew it.

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They're like, what happened to you?

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You're different.

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What's going on?

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And I, you know, I can try to, can't discuss it.

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I tried.

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I thought it was really cool.

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Like everybody, everybody else would be into it.

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And they're like, what are you talking about?

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know?

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So that was the, that was a huge thing.

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And then I realized, oh, I don't want to be a fighter pilot.

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I'm a musician.

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whole life trajectory changed.

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Wow.

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Fit into the military.

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This isn't my thing.

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Everything changed

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All from that one book.

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yeah, on one book, and I read that book over and over and over.

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I transcribed the book.

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I was

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Oh.

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into it.

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I wrote down all the cool lines and the cool things, and I had a whole notebook of the book.

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It was, I was obsessed.

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I was 20 and I was just like, it just woke me up.

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I was not the same person.

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Wow.

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uh, that was a pretty, and I've heard a couple other people have.

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Have had that type of awakening type of thing.

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But it's also pretty common that people have, um, you know, there's a health issue, there's a financial struggle, there's a life does something to you that wakes you up.

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There's a big death or something, there's a loss of some kind relationship thing, and it kind of wakes people up and they start having difficulty.

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So they start searching for answers.

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And so they go, oh, I'll try the meditation, or I'll try this.

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Self-help book, whatever it might be.

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You know, I'll, I'll look at Joe Dispenza or I'll look at, uh, you know, Louise Hay or somebody, you know, they're gonna Maryanne Williamson, they're gonna gravitate, something's gonna invite them to kind of open up to a little bit of a bigger picture.

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So the process is often gradual, but mine was a, a snap.

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It was just like, bam.

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And you're, oh, where am I?

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What am I doing?

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I was like, so I had to fulfill my tour in the Air Force.

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You have a contract.

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And I wasn't able to get out four months early.

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But, um, that was only because the job I had, they had, they had plenty of people.

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They, they didn't need me.

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So,

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Oh, I see.

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that.

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If the military does that, they're like, there's be, there'll be windows where if your particular job has a lot of, uh, personnel and you don't want to be in it, it'll go, okay, cool.

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We'll sweat.

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First of all, that's awesome.

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I mean, to your point, yes.

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Everybody has their own journey as far as waking up, so to speak.

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And uh, it's funny how using the term, waking up means someone's sleeping, then who's sleeping, and thinking, thinking, am I sleeping?

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And they're like, no, I'm not.

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'cause I'm listening to this.

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So it's, it's like, it, it puts the mind in a frenzy, just that term.

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So just when you talk about those subjects, um, it's, it's like waking people up and the, the matrix pill, right?

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The red pill is just being, um.

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Slowly passed out.

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Um,

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Yeah.

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I'm actually curious in when you were in the military, in, in the Air Force and you were doing your thing, uh, what was it like talking to the guys?

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Like what kind of responses did you get from other guys there when you tried to talk to them?

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I'm actually pretty curious.

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Uh, it's difficult to remember it, it was a long time ago, but, uh, it was generally like, whatever, man, but what are you talking about?

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What, you know?

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It was just sort of like, what, what are you doing?

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Wow, so.

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nowhere you start talking about all this zen kind of language and stuff, thinking they're like, it was just sort of, they weren't, they didn't dismiss me.

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'cause we were all, we've been friends for a long time.

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You tend to work with the same guys.

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Your tour is two years, so you'll probably be with the same guys for two years.

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So we are pretty good friends and, and everyone's just like.

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All

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All

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right, Beaudette and everyone calls you by your last name generally too.

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So just say, okay, Beaudette Cool.

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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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So one of the other questions that you, or stories that I'm just dying to get into is.

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The time you were learning from a shaman slash wizard type for over a decade, what is what?

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How did that happen?

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yeah.

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Well, again, from my dad, actually,

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He's the wizard.

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no, no, he, he led me to the guy, uh, yeah.

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So let's see, where am I?

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So I was Air Force.

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I got out, I got a massage therapy license while I was doing.

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uh, well, I was doing massage.

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I was doing music, so it was just a way for me to, uh, help people and, know, have my, I can make my own hours and do my thing and still do music.

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but during that time, uh, I was living in Durango, Colorado and my dad was in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which is about three, four hours from each other through the mountains.

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And, uh.

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So my dad's, when they said he's, I, I've been working with this guy, you know, we do these, um, medicine journeys and, um, at the time was a blend of, um, what people know as ayahuasca now and, um, musher mushrooms.

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So, uh, that was, that was kind of what he was.

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He's not around anymore in case anybody's wondering.

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Um, Brooks was his name

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Hmm.

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So he, uh, my dad introduced me to him he goes, you, you should try out, try out one of these things.

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I was like, okay.

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So I, I did my first one with him and, uh, it was a group one with my dad was there and some small people, like not, not small people, but a small amount of people.

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They were regular sized humans.

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Some were shorter than others,

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but, um.

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No.

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Oompa Loompa.

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Got it.

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That's

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right.

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And so, uh, yeah, I did, I had my first, um, true sort of shamanic journey medicine experience and, uh, it wasn't really my thing.

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I didn't gravitate to it, like, oh, this is so wild.

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But it was very interesting and I, I had an experience during that that I used to have as a kid all the time, and I had forgotten that I used to have that as a kid.

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But as a kid, I would have these dreams and sometimes they'd be awake.

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Sometimes I'd be in a dream state.

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But the dream thing, it was weird.

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It was like my hands, it always had to do with my hands, and my hands would, and it would enter my body, but it start with my hands.

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Where my hands would feel like they just become total space

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and

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that they, then they would swell up as atoms or something and just expand throughout everything.

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And that would sink into my body and my body would explode and become everything, it would just get bigger and bigger.

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And I was a kid, and this would happen a lot of times when I was sleeping

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Oh, this is

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couldn't feel my body.

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so tho those were normal dreams that you had before the Ayahuasca trip.

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Wow.

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when I was a kid.

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But when I had that ayahuasca journey, that's it all, it happened again in the journey.

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And I had for, I was like, oh, I used to do this all the time when I was a kid.

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that was kind of wild that I could do that.

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And then for man, several months after, I could initiate that thing at, will, that feeling.

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And all I had to do was just sort of let my hands sort of expand.

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It was weird.

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They'd be, would, they would, it would feel like my hands become translucent and then get huge and fill up the universe and then that feeling would sink into my whole body and I could.

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Be looking at, like, I was sitting in my truck one time looking at the steering wheel and I said, let me just try it.

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I wasn't driving, but I was just sitting there and it started to happen and I was like, And I could use my eyes, I could see the steering wheel, but I felt like I was everything.

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And it was not a subtle thing, like, oh, I'm kind of sensing like I, no, this was just, everything shifts and then, and so it, it trickled away, but.

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That my first journey experience was pretty, uh, wild like that.

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And then I started to just work with Brooks, but Brooks was not a normal dude there in la Uh, you go around every corner and there's a, there's a urban shaman somewhere.

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You know, everybody's a shaman healer and it's just like, no, that's not what I'm talking about.

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This guy, and he was a white dude.

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he had a really unique background, but people are just born with certain types of abilities.

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And he did end up traveling around the world and studying with a lot of different gurus and other shamans and stuff.

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Um, but he was already well past normal sort of abilities of being able to perceive through anything.

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And his ability to heal and know things was, I just, that's why I say he's like more like a wizard.

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'cause people have this idea of what a shaman is and he wasn't traditional in any kind of.

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A native type of experience.

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It was really something he evolved into what he called God shaman.

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Um, which, okay, so Shaman is, lemme just describe in general, just generalizing is, is one's own ability to, to understand the nature of reality and then go into a place.

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And change whatever that is.

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That could be us.

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A person could be an event, could be a general consciousness of a collective consciousness.

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the ability to go inside someplace and transform it into you want.

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So, but the problem with that is that what Brooks discovered is that that style of shamanism is you end up losing a part of yourself a little bit.

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Interesting.

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is lost inside of that.

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That, and you're only as effective as you are capable.

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Now what he discovered, partly because of his wife actually was God, what he called God shaman, which God has just used in a very broad sense of, ultimate love and creation and presence.

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And there's no affiliation of any, um, religion.

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So if you become present and enter into a place where.

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Quote, God isn't.

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You can allow God to be there by your own presence, and as you are present there, it transforms as from a God point of view.

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So if God has created us whole, the universe, spirit, the dial, the force, what are you gonna call it, has created this whole eternal perfect that our consciousness.

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Continues after this body physical experience, then that part is the part that you can bring into the human experience and by his ability was to focus that energy into one particular spot.

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And because he's not doing anything allowing God to do it, it just heals naturally and there's no part of you in it.

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And it can heal beyond what you could ever think of was possible It's not you that's doing it, it's happening through you.

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It's

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Hmm.

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very different thing and way more powerful actually.

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So, um, yeah.

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I mean, he would, he stopped doing the medicine journeys after a while because he found people could be more effective without them.

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Actually.

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It's a great stepping stone for people to a certain stage, but it's actually a limitation after a while.

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And it'll hold you back from even going way further than you could ever go.

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Are you able to talk a little bit further into that part?

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Because I think that's huge.

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I know that that's a, it's a big craze and whenever I mention Ayahuasca, people are like, oh, you gotta do it.

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And it becomes this big thing.

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And I, and it's very interesting that you bring that up.

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Um, yeah, if you can dive deeper into that, I think a lot of people appreciate it.

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yeah.

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So I was never really into the journey thing.

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First of all.

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Uh, I found it useful, but.

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It wasn't like some other people I knew that were doing them once or twice a week.

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And

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Oh, yes.

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you know, this is not just the complete people that I knew.

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This is, it's, it's a quite a big thing.

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And um, it's addicting and it's like you have to be honest with yourself.

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It's a drug addiction

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Mm.

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a natural drugs, you know, they're natural substances come outta the earth.

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Great.

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But if, if you can't stop something.

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That's the definition of an addiction.

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If you can't make a choice to stop, then that you're addicted.

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It doesn't matter what it is.

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Hmm.

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okay, so let's see.

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Uh, I was never really that into it, and I always felt like that he would move out of that himself, and he, and he ended up doing that because I, I could tell like that it's useful for me in some ways and it helps me heal some things.

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But, and that's the other thing by the way, is that when he would take you through a journey, he was not on substance.

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Also.

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He didn't need to be.

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He the, I'm telling you, this guy, he was like a Yoda.

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That's, this is why I call him a wizard.

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Wow.

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from Lord of the Rings or something.

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He truly was somebody who had sensory abilities that doesn't make, he's this amazing human being.

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You know, he's a person and he has childhood wounds and he had issues, you know, but outside of that, his ability to hold space for your unique divine self, to be present as your body what it would heal psychically, psychologically, physically, emotionally, it, it, it was profound what could happen

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Wait,

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without talking things through and stuff.

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It was, you just shift.

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did he, so he.

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Used to use Ayahuasca as a catalyst to get you to the space where he can work with you.

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Right.

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And then you said he stopped that.

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What did he use after that as a catalyst?

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Nothing.

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Was it basically meditation?

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Yeah.

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No.

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He just taught people how to do it without doing it.

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So I can, I can show you some of the things that he was doing now.

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Let's do it.

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But yeah, but let's get, let me get through the, some of the journey stuff.

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Is that he, he found it was not as useful with it because it, it's like anything else.

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It's great for a while.

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you need a crutch, awesome.

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But if you don't work to, um, do supplements, do physical therapy to help your leg heal.

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And you just wanna stay with the cast and the crutch.

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That's cool.

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It's your life.

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Do whatever you want.

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But these things are crutches

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Mm.

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they're way better used every couple years, you know, every five years you feel like, oh, something needs to, let me just make sure that cool, whatever.

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But it's just every week thing or every month one, it's just like, come on.

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So.

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So this is really simple.

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We are not separate.

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From the source.

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We just are not, we look at our bodies and we, we look at everybody else's bodies and physical reality, we can say, yes, that's not true.

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I'm separate.

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Clearly you and I are separate.

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We are not one clearly.

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But that's a part of the spiritual path is to start to learn to see beyond the physical senses and to experience life from a more.

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Whole experience.

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We have more senses than just our eyeballs and ears and taste and touch and all that.

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Um, everybody knows about the, you know, spiritual way about the third eye and sort of the psychic sort of senses.

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But there's more than that even.

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And anybody can do this right now.

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It's really, really simple.

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So.

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There is breath work, by the way, too.

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Breath work you can do, you can get yourself into really elevated states.

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Um, that's very similar to the, um, medicine journey stuff, so all you have to do and people can close their eyes or not, you don't even have to do it, but just let yourself be still for a moment and just be with yourself.

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be.

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If you just let yourself be, you don't have to do anything or try to stop thinking or any of that.

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There's nothing to actually do except to just let yourself exist for a moment.

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And this is not what he would do, but I'm just sort of setting it up because this is a podcast and people that are listening and they're doing stuff, when you, if you were sitting with him, would be necessary'cause it's already, you're already present in a room

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Yeah.

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sort of intent.

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So all you have to do is go, is make a statement that's based on I am.

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I Am is eternal.

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You are I Am You are the I.

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# 72: Beyond Ayahuasca: Exploring the Realm of Shamanic Healing | Jonathan Beaudette

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