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I could literally see my mother pregnant with me like in third person.
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I saw myself in the crib every, you know, grandparents and friends and family watching and being excited.
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So I got to see the various stages of me as a young boy, and then it took me to the other bigger vision
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All right.
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Welcome to the new age, human podcast.
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I'm your host, Jon Astacio.
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And today we're talking with my friend Constantine.
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Marun who is a holistic life empowerment, mentor and coach.
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Now he wasn't always in this field.
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He actually was doing something completely different and you'll find out.
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But what we do talk about is, his transformational ayahuasca experience that changed everything.
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So stay tuned.
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Constantine Maroon, thank you for coming onto the show.
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How's it going, man?
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Hey, John, it's such a pleasure to be here with you.
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Thank you for having me on.
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It's going great.
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I mean, it's Monday.
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We're having a beautiful conversation ahead of scheduling this.
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So yeah, I'm excited.
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Let's, let's dive right in.
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Yeah, yeah, let's jump right in.
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I definitely want to go into how everything started for you.
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Like what you're doing before and then what triggered you into your journey now So go ahead brother.
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I want to hear your story, man.
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Yeah, I'll, I'll summarize it because we've been talking for hours.
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I've had an interesting journey so far and uh, in, well, last year I turned 40, right?
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So I've been around for a few decades, but I was born in Eastern Europe.
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In Romania during the communist time and it was a time of scarcity and fear and I grew up in that environment for Seven years before the revolution happened and then another ten years after that as the country was in transition And I didn't really realize what that meant for my life until much later But those my those my upbringing right in the Eastern Bloc so different mentalities different mindsets different ways to interact with people different ways to be with yourself as in like you couldn't really be who you Felt you could be like in my case.
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I knew that I was someone that was very emotional.
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I knew there was someone that was very into arts, but I couldn't necessarily be that because everyone that I interacted with from my caretakers or my grandparents, my parents, my teachers to everyone else was like, no boys, boys don't cry.
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Boys don't paint boys, boys don't do a, b and c.
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And I'm like, okay, so what the boys do science, right?
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Go to school, go to math or hard labor, right, which Respectable as well, but my parents being engineers They pushed me down the path of schooling which I'm of course very grateful for because it led To a pretty good life meaning that at around 17 My parents had to move to Canada to give us a better life And they did right so my brother and I and them moved to Canada, and that's where I finished my High school education and then I went on to university and I have a mathematics degree with a background in engineering and computer science and I've been in the tech world pretty much most of my life.
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Now throughout all of that I've had a lot of entrepreneurial adventures because I was big into gaming and at one point I was a professional poker player for a while and coach
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nice
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right and I did many many different things in my life.
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But it wasn't until about, I would say, two years ago where things took a turn for the better in all aspects of life.
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Now, I had a successful career up to this point.
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I mean, I work for Microsoft to this day.
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But even two years ago, I was working at Microsoft, was being impactful in what I did, enabling people to work from home, especially during the pandemic.
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But I came out of it feeling very burnt out.
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Very depressed, very anxious, because there was something missing, and I couldn't actually figure out what that missing piece was.
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Now, it's important to note, we talk about spiritual topics here, right, so I grew up religious, but not to any extreme, like we'd go to church every now and then, but I never actually believed in that system, and I kind of walked away from it when I was 17, 18, when we moved to Canada, and I was agnostic most of my 20s and early 30s, and this is relevant because what happens next is really interesting because two years ago I went to Ecuador.
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So when I was coming out of the pandemic, like most people, right, feeling a bit lower, feeling like, okay, what's the direction of my life?
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What's happening?
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I had this calling of mother ayahuasca, and I know you're familiar with it.
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And for those that I'm not yet, it's a plant medicine out of the jungles of the Amazon.
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And people talk about hearing the call of mother ayahuasca to to come seat with this plant medicine.
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hmm.
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Yeah, what was that calling?
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Like was it like a voice?
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Was it like you saw something on social media?
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I'm very curious.
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For me, it was just annoying.
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Literally, one morning I wake up and I'm like,
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I Need to get high
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Why it's based on my mind, right?
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And of course, it's important to note a couple of things.
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A decade prior, when I was doing the poker coaching, one of my clients at the time, he was really big into all these alternative types of healing.
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And he was telling me about ayahuasca and silent retreats and a few other things.
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And I was like, I'll never do that, right?
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It's like, he was excited.
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I'm like, man, that's cool.
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You do that.
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I will never touch that, right?
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And here I am a decade later.
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Hearing this calling and really it started in 2021 to be honest, but then it was still lockdowns, not for Canadians.
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This was very hard to get out of the country.
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And the way the calling was essentially is annoying.
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So I wake up.
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I'm like, huh, that's interesting.
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I do nothing with it for a few days, maybe a few weeks.
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And then it gets louder and louder, louder, right?
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I'll have dreams about that.
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I'll have.
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You know, I'll see the meditation and you come up and then I said, you know what, I need to look into this now.
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Another thing that's important to notice that I've never actually been allowing myself to be out of control, meaning that I've never been drunk, never done drugs.
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So for me to do something like this was very outside of my safe zone.
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So to speak,
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you never got drunk
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exactly.
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I've never got, well,
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is great.
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Yeah.
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yeah, there's another, I mean, not because I, I don't like drinking.
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I mean, I'll enjoy a glass or two, but as I grew up, I was always the older person in my friend's group.
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So either the DD or the designated driver, or I just saw how they would get drunk and how, um, how terrible it was.
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And I was like, I don't want to do that.
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And, you know, mixing the fact that I got married very young, I wasn't necessarily at many parties.
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So, you know, circumstances led to such a way that I never actually got into it.
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So for me to I want to do something like this.
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People in my life were like, that's odd.
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You don't do any of this stuff, why would you want to go there?
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And, anyway, long story short, I went to Ecuador for three weeks, from which twelve days were in this retreat, what I said with plant medicine, ayahuasca, and Saint Pedro, which is a different type of medicine from a cactus, amazing as well, but way different.
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And it really transformed my life.
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Not only did I make amazing friendships with the people I got to bond with, which were a lot, ten plus people, but also seeing the transformation of others with my own eyes.
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And keep in mind, I went there as a skeptic, but with an open mind, because of my science background.
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I was like, how can this be?
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And I would see people that, one of my dear friends, for example, she could barely walk at the beginning of the journey.
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She Had come out of 10 days in the ICU with COVID not long before right where she almost died three times and then seven days later after a couple of ceremonies, she's running and playing soccer with us.
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And this is a 50 year old lady.
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wow.
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They can barely walk day one and we are 10, 000 feet up in the mountains, right?
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We're like even walking a bit uphill takes your breath.
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So to see transformation and there was not just that's one great example that's close to my heart that she's a dear friend of mine, but there were so many what I'm seeing people transform from day one.
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To like day 5, day 7, day 12.
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And that's pretty much what started my journey.
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I guess maybe we'll stop there until we go to the last two years because those have been something else.
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Well, so I want to just address the fact that you had acknowledged when you were younger, right?
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You were very creative.
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And that was just, they just put a pause to that.
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And then, um, You went hardcore, left brained, logic driven, just career, engineer, electronics, Microsoft, and then that burnt out.
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And it does sound like the burning out was because you weren't aligned with yourself, right?
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Correct, yes.
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And then, um, as you were burnt and crispy, you, uh, had a calling for An awakening or something that's going to help you out a trajectory change, right?
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So I'm actually curious.
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Um, uh, and this is not the first time I'm hearing a story.
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It's that similar where you get burnt out and then you hear a calling.
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So it's very interesting.
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Um, but see, let's get into that trip.
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What did you, do you mind sharing what you experienced on your first ayahuasca trip?
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No, I love to share.
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And yes, I have one thing before we jump into the sharing piece.
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You touched on something so important.
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I wasn't allowing my heart and for those that are seeing this as opposed to just listening, there's a sign right above here where I'm pointing, which says, follow your heart and looking back, right?
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Because now I have 2020 and vision being able to look back on my life.
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That was a huge catalyst aligning myself with what's in my heart.
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And you also mentioned the idea of being artistic.
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Here's the funny thing.
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I, because I was suppressed as much as I was as a young child, which I didn't necessarily have memories of, that I could bring up whenever I wanted, I didn't actually think I was creative.
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Because I, I couldn't draw, I couldn't sing, I couldn't play a music instrument, so I thought, you know, I'm not creative.
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Of course.
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As I now look back on my life and I had a chance to work with some beautiful mentors and look at what I do, I'm like, yeah, I'm creative.
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I mean, I've been all my life and everything I've done, including now my podcast and everything else I do.
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And yeah, I picked up drawing and all these other beautiful things.
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Now to answer your main question, the journey.
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So the first time I said with ayahuasca was day two of my retreat.
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And the reason I mentioned day two there is because I was sober for the first day and a half and what I witnessed there and the interaction I had with people had me Wondering what was going on because see I got there Knowing no one, right?
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And I remember the first thing I get in there.
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I I I check in To my room and this is very rustic because you're in the mountains.
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You're close to the jungle, right?
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So it's a beautiful place, but very rustic.
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I got to my room.
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No problem.
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Come back Sit down at the table to just message people home because they had Wi Fi around the common area and I hear two people Talking Romanian in the background.
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I'm like really in Ecuador two people talking Romanian So I turned to them two girls who became really good friends now Romanian but here's the funny part.
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One of them was from the US one of them was living in the US Origins from Romania.
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I'm from Canada and the other one Even though Romania as well lives in Greece, at the time.
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Right, so all of this brought us together.
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It was really interesting.
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But then as the day progressed, things got more interesting.
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More people came in, and as they were coming in, I had the feeling that I knew a lot of them from somewhere.
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I'm not sure if you've ever walked into a room where you're like, Huh, I know that person from somewhere, but I can't remember where from.
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You might have never met these people in my life, not even once.
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At least in this life, the way I see it.
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And then I met people from Amazon, from Google, and another peer of mine from Microsoft that I hadn't met before, and since then we became very close friends.
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And I'm like, this is really interesting.
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And then I sat down with one of the shamans, because before you go into medicine, you sit down with one of the traditional shamans to do kind of like a bit of a pre cleanse and set intentions and whatnot.
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And that blew me away, because I remember going in with him, and he was asking me why I was there.
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And I had this.
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I had like three reasons why I was there, but the main one that I would tell people because I didn't want to be, I didn't want to be judged, was very superficial, like, I'm here to learn more about myself, and that's pretty much it, right?
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And the shaman looks at me and he's like, no, but why are you here?
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And I'm like, okay, this is cool.
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That's how it started.
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So then I got deeper, right?
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Emotions overwhelmed me.
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Um, you know, I cried, you know, had a beautiful conversation.
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He pulled some tarot cards, which I've never actually had tarot cards pulled for me.
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And looking back, of course, I was like, Wow, that's fairly accurate.
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That's interesting.
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How does that work?
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So anyway, long story short, go to the medicine.
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I, you get a lot of instructions.
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So I'm someone that did a lot of research going in.
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So I know that the intentions you set are actually very powerful.
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And you can ask the plant medicine.
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It doesn't matter if it's ayahuasca, psilocybin, psilocybin, psilocybin, psilocybin, psilocybin.
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Or Saint Peter or anything else, you actually can put intentions where it's like, okay, be gentle with me or do your best or whatever the case might be.
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And I was actually scared.
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I'll be honest.
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So I was like, okay.
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be two, man.
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Yeah.
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And I said, you know, be gentle with me.
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And she was.
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And all I could remember.
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It was like, okay, yeah, just say, be gentle, be gentle.
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So you put your intentions.
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The way the ceremony goes is that it's split up in multiple parts.
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So the first part is all around gratitude to be able to sit with the medicine and you get tobacco, which kind of clears up.
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That's also a sacred medicine for them.
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And then you put your intentions in the fire before you take the medicine.
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And that's when I, you know, I said, be gentle and all my other intentions that I came there for.
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And the medicine takes about half an hour to an hour to kick in.
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And it's interesting because you're set in a maloka.
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Maloka is like a gazebo that has one entrance to the south, I believe.
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Don't quote me on that.
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It might be a different direction.
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But anyway, and the shamans are at the top.
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And here's the beautiful part.
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The shamans take the medicine with you.
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So, in a trionic, you go to a doctor here, and they're like, oh, take this medicine.
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I don't touch this stuff, but you take it.
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They take the medicine with you.
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And so do the fire keepers, because you have, well in that case we had two fire keepers at the beginning, it's usually one or two.
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And these are people that tend to the fire, which stays on the entire night.
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Anyway, we get the medicine, and I had no idea what to expect.
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They said, you know, it's between half an hour to an hour for it to kick in.
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And you, the interesting part is that you can start hearing people purge, or getting into it.
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Purging is very common with ayahuasca, it's about releasing energy you don't need.
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And purging, most common one, is through throwing up.
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So you have a bucket, and you have helpers to help you out.
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But you need, sometimes, you know, you need to go to the washroom.
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You may yawn, you may cry.
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All those things may happen.
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So, anyway.
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We, I started hearing people.
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And I'm like, oh, this is, this is interesting.
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This is interesting.
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Because some people were like, you know, crying.
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And some people were laughing.
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And some people were yawning uncontrollably.
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And some people were just like Sleeping.
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I was like, okay, I don't know what's going on.
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For me, how it started, it was visual, like many others.
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And I remember, I had this real kid playing in my mind, which was, I kept feeling people having a hard time, and part of me wanted to reach out to help.
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And I, my subconscious mind would be like, no, it's time to take care of yourself now.
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It's not about taking care of other people.
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It's because you see, all my life I've been someone taking care of others.
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And that's part of who I am, or at least who I was back then, but I still believe that, you know, there's an element of helping others, but you need to help yourself first before you can truly help others.
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So that was like, a message that keep happening in my mind, and then the visual aspects kicked in.