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April 30, 2024

# 84 Red Light Therapy: Former Athlete to Healing Innovator | John Graham

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In this episode we explore the transformative journey of John Graham, from a seasoned athlete to a pioneering innovator in red light therapy. John opens up about his athletic endeavors, the injuries that reshaped his path, and how these experiences led him to discover and advocate for the benefits of red light therapy for pain management and recovery.

Episode Highlights:

  • [1:00] - Early Athletic Challenges
  • [10:00] - The Science of Red Light:
  • [15:00] - Developing LumaFlex
  • [20:00] - Impacts of red light therapy
  • [25:00] - The future of red light therapy in health.
  • [30:00] - Pain Management
  • [35:00] - Growth of his business and future product ideas.
  • [40:00] - Reflecting on the journey

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red light therapy is as a pain management tool.

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Right.

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It's natural.

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It's not evasive.

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I want to get people away from drugs.

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If you can fix yourself on a cellular level.

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That's where you're going to start seeing some long lasting change.

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I've seen them healed and have no pain with devices that are not even a hundredth of the power of what of what I've created.

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Do you want to try out?

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And I was like, yeah, I was just,

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let's go.

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let's do it.

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Yeah.

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Hurry up.

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Savage.

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I'm a savage man.

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Let's go.

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All right.

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Welcome to the new way to in podcast.

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Let me host Jonathan Astacio.

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And today we're talking with John Graham, who is a season certified master trainer and leader in the fitness industry with over 15 years under his belt.

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We'll discuss his experiences with sports and fitness injuries and explore how he's leveraging red light therapy to enhance health benefits and improve athletic recovery.

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Now, before we begin, if you want to be alerted to more content and you like what you're seeing when see more, just like, and subscribe wherever you're listening or watching and send feedback and questions via new age, human.

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com.

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Now with that said, let's get to the show.

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Right.

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John Graham.

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Thank you for coming to the show.

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How's it going, man?

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I really, um, obviously, I very, very much appreciate the opportunity to share.

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It's a big help.

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Um, I'm obviously running a business.

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I've gone through so many grinds.

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So whenever I'm able to share on a platform, it's always much appreciated.

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I'm getting access to your audience, to your listeners.

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You know, you've built that trust and I'm very glad that you've transferred that trust over to me and I'm able to share.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, for someone that has some innovative technology and maybe alternative health and you're like a double whammy.

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I'm like, Oh, we got to get this guy on.

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I am definitely interested in getting into what you're working on now, but before we go into it, I want to get into what you were doing before you started working on this What you're doing now, you know, you, you started like with the technology, the inventions, the alternative health, um, let's unpack that you're, you're an athlete.

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What's, what started your journey?

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Yeah, I mean, I guess, uh, if where it all started was a skinny boy with red hair, white skin, you know, freckles, you can imagine not, not much going for him and he's thinking like, geez, I need to get my shit figured out here.

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I need to like, I need to, um, you know, plant my flag.

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Who am I?

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What's my purpose?

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So I, I gravitated towards the gym, you know, when you're building muscle, you're putting on the, you know, these, this muscle you're putting on armor and the armor protects that insecure, little, little scared, uh, unconfident boy that I was.

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Um, and, and this is like, oh, you know, over all the years, you know, competing, having a lot of trials, uh, lots of injuries, you know, um, I've sort of identified, you become more self aware and you kind of track back where, where your whole journey came from and you sort of understand More about the hero's journey that we all have.

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Um, but yeah, like when I, when I went into bodybuilding and I was competing, I met a lot of bodybuilders and some of these guys were very famous, very competent, like very well known, you know, uh, champions.

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But I remember getting to know them very intimately.

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You and you, you realize that there, there's like, there's a, there's there, they're just protecting that little child, right?

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Yeah.

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Cause you train together, you boost each other up.

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Come on, get going.

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And you realize that they were not very, very confident.

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And, um, I kind of realized like, wow, all the, all these bodybuilders are like that.

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All these, the bigger these guys are, the smaller, the little teddy bears inside.

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So, you know, going back to me, that's very much how I was.

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I kind of realized like, well, that's how I was.

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That's how I started.

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So, you know, going through.

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Going through, um, you know, my history and going back.

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I obviously got very fit.

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I wanted to compete.

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I wanted to show how, um, you know, how I could dominate in something.

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It's in an activity in a sport.

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So I got into rugby.

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Um, my, uh, my coach at the time, he sort of said I had a lot of promise.

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He said, you know, keep doing what you're doing and you could be going into the leagues, you know.

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Um, and as an Australian, I, um, you know, Australians need to play cricket.

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They surf or play rugby.

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You got to do one of these things, right?

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That's, that's the Aussies, what the Aussies do.

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Um, so being a good rugby player kind of was something I wanted to be kind of to help my, um, you know, my Aussie identity, hang out with the boys, have the, have some beers, you know, and then play a bit of, you know, get, get some rugby on.

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But, um, I remember my first tour going out.

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I popped my shoulder and had like a micro fracture on the on my shoulder bone.

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Um, which is obviously really, uh, was a real downer because, um, tour when you're on tour, you're over your, you know, you've, you've left your club, you're going to play against other clubs and you're with the whole team and it's your, you know, you've all flown flown over.

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You've all, you know, you've kind of you're all like in this jolly mode, camaraderie mode, and then you're the guy that gets get seriously injured.

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And it was, I mean, the medics on the field couldn't fix it.

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I had to go to a hospital, which is a real, real pain.

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But, um, after, after about six months of rehabbing that I went back out and I popped the other shoulder wasn't as bad of an injury, but it basically was like, It was very clear, like, don't play rugby.

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This isn't your sport, you know?

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So I was like, where, you know, where am I going to go from here?

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I need to play something.

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I need to do something.

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I need to compete.

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I need to keep, you know, this is my identity, right?

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You're, you're messing with, I got to figure myself out here.

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So I went into CrossFit, which was, um, uh, it was quite trendy at the time.

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It was getting, you know, it was becoming, you know, everyone wanted to compete in.

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It was kind of a, the new thing.

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Is it a sport or is it not a sport?

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It is a sport, you know, you know, it's, you know, it's, It was very like, um, CrossFit is still is.

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It's very like, um, tribe, tribe mentality, you know, you would gather with your, with your other fellow trainees and you support your, you know, your local box or whatever it was.

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Um, but I just want to compete.

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I was very interested in the competitive side because it was You know, people that were competing in CrossFit were considered the beasts, the savages.

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Right.

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So I was like, yeah, that'll be me.

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I'll do that.

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But, um, just, you know, it's, it's like, it's like gym workouts, but in a sport format with a leaderboard and scores is kind of the, it's, it's done it, but it's, it is just basically gym workouts.

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Right.

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But, um, it's high volume, high load.

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If you're doing, you know, If you're doing a, um, a CrossFit workout and you're competing, it isn't just about doing a lot of reps very fast.

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You, you also have to lift heavier weights, which kind of makes it the competitive side, like where, where you're, you know, competing in the, in the top tiers is when there's a lot of weight added to those high number, you know, um, workouts.

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Right?

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That does sound like a sport because you have a score.

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I guess you could technically call something a sport if you have a scoreboard because like there's teams.

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That's right.

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There's teams and who's, you know, by making the top score, you then progress on to the next, the next thing.

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Right.

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And then the bottom ones get left out.

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Right.

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That's, it's a good, it's a, it's a format that, um, now is obviously extremely popular, but, um, yeah, my knees weren't liking it.

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They basically.

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My, especially my left knee, um, after a while, it just was damaged so much that even to sit down.

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Um, Um, for an extended period of time, say 15, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, the knee would get really, really sore and I would have to straighten it out.

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I have to lubricate it.

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Um, I would always be wearing different bandages.

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I was using heat therapy, cold therapy.

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Um, I was, I was trying to always just keep the joint lubricated because how it would get sore is if it was just stationary, if you would kind of, and especially obviously with, with the cold weather, right?

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Kind of like, you know, it was a lot, a bit of arthritis inside in that knee.

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Um, But, um, um, but then, yeah, so that basically took me out of CrossFit.

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And then during that time, I fell in love with boxing.

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And I remember, um, where was I think it was in Shanghai.

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Yeah, I was in Shanghai, China.

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And I was seeing a friend he was like an architect for He was an architect for a big Dubai firm.

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And I was, I was quite, I opened up many gyms.

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I had like six gyms that I opened up and a lot of them had a combat side to it.

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So I was very familiar with, with, um, combat, but I would from primarily do wrestling, I was more into the wrestling side, the MMA is every MMA was, was another thing that everyone was talking about.

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So.

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But he was into boxing.

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I remember going to his, his studio and there was a, um, a coach, like a famous Dutch coach, and there was like a fight on and she was like, Oh, do you want to, do you want to sign up?

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Do you want to try out?

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And I was like, yeah, I was just,

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let's go.

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let's do it.

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Yeah.

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Hurry up.

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Savage.

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I'm a savage man.

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Let's go.

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But I remember that fight.

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I won that fight and I was like, Whoa, this is now, this is my thing.

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Like.

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It's like when you play golf, you know, when you play golf, you have, you know, you got 18 holes.

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All you need to do is shoot two good holes and you somehow think that golf is your sport.

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You know, it's like, you know, when you, it's like you hit one and it's good.

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And you're like, um, this is, it's the most amazing feeling.

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And then it's like bad shot, bad shot, bad shot, bad shot.

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And then it's one good shot.

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And you're like, I'm still got it.

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Right.

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It's

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You forgot about all the other horrific decisions and bad shots.

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That's funny.

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Yeah, I just somehow got it in my head like boxing.

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Yeah, this is it.

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This is, and I mean, I was, I was, I was pretty, I was, I was good for my weight from, you know, for the level that I was fighting and for, you know, where I came from, but, um, doing amateurs and fighting for a number of years, I started to get headaches and I would have like a point in my head here would really hurt.

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And it would, you know, sort of start to affect my eye and I was like, Oh, that's weird.

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And then it would come to my back.

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It was these little points.

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It was like someone was pushing their finger into my, um, into my brain.

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Um, and then I went, yeah, I went to the doctor.

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I was like, you know, just, let's just have a check.

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Let's just make sure everything's in order.

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And he saw that there was a tumor in my head

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Oh,

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he said it was caused by micro traumas to the brain.

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Because he said, like, did you fall when you were a kid?

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Did you have, like, a serious fall or injury?

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Did you, were you in a car accident?

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Um, and I was like, no, no, it's not.

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I mean, I, I, I just do boxing.

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And he was like, well, yeah, that's probably if you were.

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If you get hit a lot, you're creating micro traumas and this tumor's developed.

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It's not benign, it's just, it's growing to your brain and it could kill you.

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Um, and we need to get it out because as it grows it gets difficult to remove this, this tumor and it's pushing itself into your brain.

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Um, and I was like, well, how long?

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And he was like, well, like I don't know how long, but you need to get it done this year.

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This year we need the surgery done.

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So I had this surgery finished and it came out, it was like the size of, you know, the top of my thumb.

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It was about that big and I remember thinking like, wow, that's a, that was not supposed to be there.

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Um, but, um, after that he was just like, the doctor told me like, do not do any, you know, contact sports, impact sports, you're just not conditioned for it.

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Uh, and then I kind of had a bit of a downer, you know, like wasn't feeling, you know, I was like, well, what's my thing then?

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But, um, I found bodybuilding and bodybuilding is very safe.

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It's bodybuilding is just dieting.

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It's just dieting.

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Right.

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And I, you know, I had a lot of bodybuilder friends growing up.

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You know, I had some, you know, famous female champions, you know, that, you know, actually quite a few females that were, um, that were competitive.

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I used to train with a lady, a Ukraine lady who was like, Had like 30 competitions under her belt and She was like the the male version of me like we were whatever way I lifted she would lift like she would do

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And you're a big dude.

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I mean, I'm just seeing from your

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Oh, you can imagine

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can only imagine,

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was.

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She was, she was a big girl.

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But um, but yeah, it's fun because you don't, you, you, it's very low, low injury.

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You just take care of your body, you know, just diet.

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And I never thought of going in and being big and being the biggest guy.

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I just wanted to come in, you know, and represent myself as someone who is very cut, very lean.

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Um, and my first competition, I did, uh, I came second place in my category, which was good.

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It was like an MPC level event.

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So it was actually pretty like, Whoa, maybe this is my thing.

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Um, and I got really into it and I did four competitions back to back, uh, for seven weeks, which, um, Yeah, you're not, you're not supposed to do it like that.

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You're supposed to do like one competition at the beginning of the year, maybe another one, and then you, then you de load for a year and you maybe do one at the end of the year.

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Wow.

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And you've

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I remember the last competition I did.

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a

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Um, you get what's called a salt rebound, like a water rebound, sorry.

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And because you, you've, you've burnt, you've got rid of all the fat and now you're trying to get rid of all the water.

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You're trying to dry so that when you look at the muscle, you don't see any, there's no liquid.

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It's just must skin and muscle, right?

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It's like this.

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And, um, this.

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So when you're drying your body out and you're like next competition, next competition, next competition, you're going through a large period of time where you're dry.

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You're you're basically what happened.

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My body, it just, it just gave up.

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So I had like a water rebound and I started to bloat and my neck really got big and puffy with like, it's like it was swollen and you know, my eyes got really big.

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And my, my, my, my wrists, my ankles, everything kind of bloated out and I was, um, and this happened like this, the, the, the peak week before the weekend.

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Right.

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Which is the competition.

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That's when it started to get really bad.

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And, uh, I was like, damn, I can't, I can't compete like this.

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Like I'm bloated.

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I look like a, you know, I look, I look like a, someone who's got, I look like I've got a disease, like some, something serious.

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I was You know, and, uh, but I was like, Oh, I could, I could, you know, it might go away.

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It might go away.

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And I kept trying all these things to get the, the water out.

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And in the end, um, I took a diuretic and a diuretic is, is a pill you take to, to help you get rid of water.

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They're very, very dangerous pills.

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And usually when they're not really encouraged, it's kind of like the, the, um, you know, the underground.

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Dark side of bodybuilding, you know, they're kind of like old school, you know, most coaches now when they coach you to bodybuild, they, they refuse to use diuretics.

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They don't endorse diuretics because they're very powerful, right?

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They'll, you piss in it and they're dangerous because after competition you have to do a protocol to make sure that you're, you know, your heart doesn't stop.

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Oh my god, that's nuts.

00:15:17.470 --> 00:15:20.000
but yeah, I was like so desperate to get rid of this water.

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Um, so the night before the competition, I popped this diuretic and I was like, I was, you know, the water was going out, the water was pissing out and I was like, and what you do is you, you can't not, so every time, every, the amount of water that you piss out is the amount of water you drink and you try to create this sort of water, water cyclation.

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You can't just let your body.

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Cause then, you know, something serious could happen.

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So I was told like drink and piss, drink, piss, drink, piss.

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Like keep getting the water out and then

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Never leave the bathroom.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I didn't sleep the whole night.

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It was just every, every five minutes, every five minutes, every 10 minutes.

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It was just piss, piss, piss, piss.

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And I had like, I've had, I bought like six large bottles of water and I put them right next to the toilet, just so I was.

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Could roughly measure what was I drinking first?

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That was pissing.

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Um, but I remember looking, I remember going on stage and I was like, I think I'm okay.

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Like, I think I'm, you know, I'm not a, I don't look as good as I did on the other competitions, but I'll survive it.

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And I remember doing, you know, the full poses and everything.

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And my wife was, was filming me in the, in the, in the, um, in the state, in the, in the audience area.

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Right.

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And when it was done, I came and I looked at the phone, what she was filming.

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And I was the first picture she saw.

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I was like, Oh my God.

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Like I looked, I was like, cause it's funny how you, how, what you think of

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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you are on stage with the lights with everything and I was just like, oh, okay.

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I should have stayed home

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You were still like, what did you see versus what did you

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Oh Yeah, Like, the competition I did before that was the was probably the best that's best I've ever pushed myself to And then that was like the worst with the exact.

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I was like, there's two different people like, what the hell, why would you do that?

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Um, but yeah, it was a really good lesson.

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It was humbling.

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Obviously you sort of, you have to learn to embrace those things, right?

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Like, yeah, you pushed yourself.

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You had three good competitions.

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I had like, um, I averaged, I averaged second place in everything.

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Um,

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That's really good.

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You can't have your cake and eat it to you can't have the world still, you know, there's, there's ups and downs.

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So I kind of bit it and said, all right, that was, that was fun.

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But now it's time to get in, get back to work.

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But, um, really throughout that whole time as you know, doing, doing competitions, suffering injuries, suffering losses.

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And those were sort of the major injuries that I remember were the most mentally, uh, difficult to deal with.

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Um, Throughout that time, I discovered red light therapy and, um, the, my wife actually introduced me to red light therapy.

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So she introduced me to this lamp.

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Um, and it was kind of a lamp that you would put by your, by your bed, except it was very, it was black.

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It was ugly.

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It was a very old school sort of thing that you would buy, you know, some dark street or you'd find it in like Batman's lair to

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Right next to the uh, the guy that sold the, uh, diroletics, whatever you want to call it.

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ha ha, yes.

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Yes.

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like what do you call it?

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The big jackets where he's just kind of like, I got this, I got that, I got a lamp.

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Quick, be quick.

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Don't show anyone.

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Yeah, look very

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three times.

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But this, this lamp was like, it was very old technology, but it was light therapy.

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And the, the bulb was, was big, it was big and red and it would heat up, the bulb would heat up.

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And my wife told me, put this on your knee.

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Cause that was the, where we started using it was, it was on my left knee.

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She said, put it on your knee 20 minutes before bed.

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I promise you, you're going to feel great.

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And I thought, Oh, some feng shui.

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Cause my wife's Chinese, right?

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So I was like, all right, you know, okay, let's, we'll give this a try.

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I'm sure, you know, I just need to appease her.

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Right.

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Um, but after a week, yeah, happy wife, happy life.

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But after a week, it stopped hurting.

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And two weeks later, I didn't need the thing anymore.

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And the reason I knew is because I, by sitting down that seated position that where my leg, my feet were at that angle.

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And my knees are at that angle.

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I didn't have the pain anymore.

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I didn't have that excruciating pain.

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Work.

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You know, I would have to stretch my legs out and rub oil, massage them and try to get the, you know, the pain away.

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I didn't have that.

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It was gone.

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And I thought it was the,

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I'm, actually, I'm I'm curious, and sorry to interrupt, but before you applied the red light therapy to your knee, how long, like what was your daily routine so that you can be functionally normal?

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I'm curious.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, taking a taxi before you, like before using that, like I would use, I would I would have a, um, do you know this like cream, you get it at Walgreens.

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It's like, it's called deep heat.

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It's like a.

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heard of it, yeah.

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It's like a white and this when you apply it to the skin, it heats up, it creates, it creates a lot of, it drives a lot of heat to that area and blood.

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Obviously the circulation blood is healing.

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It's a very easy, temporary solution to a pain issue.

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If your shoulder's bad, I would just deep heat.

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I would carry deep heat with me.

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I would have that in my bag, like ever since I was a, a young aspiring athlete, like I was, I had that in my bag.

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I would even, I would try Tiger balm.

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Um, I would have heat patches, but he is sort of a quick, short, short term pain relief that I would keep like, that's, that's kind of how I would do it.

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And I just thought like, That's, that's, that's the only way to do it.

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That's how athletes do it.

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They kind of, you know, put the heat on, get the, you know, get the, the, the muscle lubricate, go out, play.

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And then that's what you do.

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You just always make sure you have deep heat.

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That's what you do.

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Um, of course I didn't realize about, you know, you know, addressing the problem on a cellular level, which is what light does, um, about mitochondria health, I didn't know about any of that.

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Like this was, that was all news to me.

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I was very much, um, you know, a kid that didn't want to listen to anybody.

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And.

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I thought, you know, I'll just muscle my way through it.

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Like in, in the Chinese, um, uh, Zodiac, I'm a cow.

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No, no is cow.

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Right.

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And cows are known to be very bullish, to just work, to like, the way I'll fix it is just to work it right.

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It's kind of like a more, more of a work hard rather than a work smart, kind of a, uh, personality.

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Um,

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I know exactly what you're talking about.

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Yeah, looking back at that, that was definitely me growing up is as an athlete wanting to compete and sort of, I was just sort of, the harder I work, the more I push myself, the, the better it'll be right, the, the, my

00:22:15.345 --> 00:22:20.325
you had the red light therapy on your knee and it took you two weeks

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Yeah.

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to heal.

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Now,

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nuts.

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like no pain?

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And then, or what, what was there any type of like, uh, maintenance after that?

00:22:29.414 --> 00:22:30.105
Like that's insane.

00:22:30.105 --> 00:22:31.045
Hmm.

00:22:31.545 --> 00:22:37.724
Yeah, it was, it was really what sparked the whole, like, what just happened there?

00:22:37.744 --> 00:22:38.845
What was that all about?

00:22:38.845 --> 00:22:40.105
What is light therapy?

00:22:40.384 --> 00:22:42.744
What, I mean, there's red light, there's infrared light.

00:22:42.775 --> 00:22:45.765
There's far, far, you know, far far light.

00:22:46.075 --> 00:22:47.595
Um, there's different spectrums of light.

00:22:47.595 --> 00:22:52.825
There's so much in light therapy and just in photo by modulation.

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It's a very big space and learning about it.

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Um, meeting scientists, um, connecting with, with, with people that were, you know, building applications for light therapy, uh, became, yeah, it became very, an interesting journey and one that led me down to the road to launching my own product, which is the LumaFlex, which is the, uh, a portable device that I wish I had when I was, you know, Um, going through those, um, those injuries as a young, young athlete.

00:23:23.194 --> 00:23:26.924
So it's very portable, um, and it's red and near infrared.

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So it's 850 nanometers for infrared and 630 for red light.

00:23:32.265 --> 00:23:39.585
And those are nanometers that have a lot of clinical research behind them that have proven to, you know, not, not just help with surface level pain.

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Like if you've been punched, you know, we got a bruise, you know, if you've done boxing, but also like deep chronic pain that you've had in your, in your joints, um, And, um, and yeah, like that's the, just having a device that was portable was very important to me.

00:23:53.789 --> 00:23:54.869
It was extremely important to me.

00:23:54.869 --> 00:23:58.630
It's, it's an FDA class two device, the one I've built.

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And, um, yeah, it's the story of how that product came to be is the story of how, you know, just all the pain that I've gone through and that's obviously, yeah, talking about the sports sports side of it, but you know, um, something also to, to, to address with red light therapy is, It's not just where I talk about red light therapy is as a pain management tool.

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Right.

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It's natural.

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It's not evasive.

00:24:23.884 --> 00:24:25.565
I want to get people away from drugs.

00:24:25.724 --> 00:24:30.765
I want to get people away from evasive means of, of like, you don't have to have surgery on your knee.

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Like, don't, don't do surgery unless you've at least looked at light therapy, right?

00:24:35.404 --> 00:24:40.914
This is the message that I really, um, I feel very passionate about, but they're the red light therapy.

00:24:40.914 --> 00:24:58.420
There are other people, other scientists, you know, other, other people that run companies where it's, red light therapy is used in the mindfulness application, you know, to support meditation, to support, you know, de stressing, you know, to help with anxiety because you, when you go, wow, it's, it's a mate.

00:24:58.420 --> 00:24:59.740
When you go into like

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So let's go into the science of this because you're saying like it recovers and helps you heal and then also helps you relax.

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:09.880
So what's the science behind it?

00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:15.769
Like you said, you've, you've done a lot of like meetings with, with different scientists and patents.

00:25:16.230 --> 00:25:19.009
What did you, what's, what's happening to the body?

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What's happening to the muscles when you apply?

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Red light and then if you want to get into because you know, yeah red light and then I think you said infrared So let's go with red light.

00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:29.809
What's going on there?

00:25:30.470 --> 00:25:30.829
Yeah.

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Like if I would.

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I would love to introduce you to some photo by modulation scientists to be on this show, because when you hear from there, you get the real juicy science.

00:25:41.414 --> 00:25:43.845
You know, you get the big hamburger.

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Yeah.

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How are you confiding to that?

00:25:46.234 --> 00:25:46.724
Wow.

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This is my you're holding your brain together because you don't want to explode because it's so awesome.

00:25:52.884 --> 00:25:53.924
You know what you're learning.

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But I'm more, I come, the background I've come from how I communicate the science, right?

00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:12.089
It's very much in this way that I, I try to package it in a way that would be understood to me when I was younger.

00:26:12.099 --> 00:26:15.009
In my early twenties, you know, what is this whole light therapy?

00:26:15.009 --> 00:26:18.059
This pseudo science, like throw me this hippie shit.

00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.150
Like, come on, what is it?

00:26:19.829 --> 00:26:22.890
I'll say, listen, red light therapy is from the sun.

00:26:23.210 --> 00:26:23.980
It's from the sun.

00:26:24.714 --> 00:26:28.555
It's from the sun When, when you live in Thailand or when you're in Miami, right?

00:26:28.555 --> 00:26:30.085
My, my head office is in Miami.

00:26:30.234 --> 00:26:33.025
We have those beautiful sunrises and those sunsets, right?

00:26:33.174 --> 00:26:38.394
And that color, that beautiful dark red, you know, and that orange, that's red and infrared light.

00:26:38.755 --> 00:26:44.515
So that's when the light is at the right length to be able to penetrate your skin and activate the mitochondria.

00:26:44.875 --> 00:26:46.164
We're bo, we're human beings.

00:26:46.194 --> 00:26:49.105
We're both made up and we're made up of cells, billions of cells.

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The powerhouse, the engine of that cell is the mitochondria.

00:26:52.734 --> 00:26:53.994
Now, if we're giving energy.

00:26:54.384 --> 00:26:55.365
to the mitochondria.

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The cell could do what it's supposed to do.

00:26:58.125 --> 00:26:59.265
The cell can do its job.

00:26:59.994 --> 00:27:03.525
So when we're talking about healing, what we're talking about pain relief, right?

00:27:03.555 --> 00:27:04.384
Pain management.

00:27:05.115 --> 00:27:06.994
It's not the light that heals you.

00:27:07.315 --> 00:27:10.815
It's the light that gives yourselves energy to heal themselves.

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:23.220
That's how, that's how it works in the, in the, that's in the simplest way to, to understand when you're like, you know, how is putting those creams on, um, my knees and from my shoulders.

00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:23.460
Right.

00:27:23.829 --> 00:27:27.630
And it, you, you getting a very attempt, you're driving blood.

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Yes.

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It's a very temporary solution for your pain.

00:27:32.509 --> 00:27:36.839
But what you want to do is you want to look at your pain and you want to address the pain on a cellular level.

00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.119
If you can fix yourself on a cellular level.

00:27:39.654 --> 00:27:42.434
That's where you're going to start seeing some long lasting change.

00:27:42.809 --> 00:27:43.259
Mm.

00:27:43.785 --> 00:27:52.035
seen, I've seen some amazing stories, very stories that, you know, I get very emotional about people that have dealt with pain for so many years.

00:27:52.414 --> 00:27:59.795
You know, they, I pulled my back, you know, back in the war or, you know, this, I've had this since, you know, my college ball days, right.

00:27:59.805 --> 00:28:05.924
These, these, these issues, these pains that they've dealt with as that our parents, our grandparents have dealt with that.

00:28:06.045 --> 00:28:06.954
It seems like they.

00:28:07.345 --> 00:28:10.494
They have no other other than just dealing with it.

00:28:10.494 --> 00:28:21.414
They have no other solution and I've seen them healed and have no pain with devices that are not even a hundredth of the power of what of what I've created.

00:28:22.035 --> 00:28:25.065
And, um, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's natural.

00:28:25.065 --> 00:28:26.474
It's not, you can't overdose on it.

00:28:26.474 --> 00:28:27.154
It's light.

00:28:27.355 --> 00:28:27.944
It's light.

00:28:27.944 --> 00:28:30.795
And when you, when you go into it and you.

00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:47.990
When you, you know, trace it back to Egyptian times and the Romans, how, you know, you start like, oh, and then NASA, you know, discovered it, you know, in space when they were trying to, uh, heal, uh, when they were trying to grow plants and then the astronauts saw that, oh, it was healing abrasions.

00:28:47.990 --> 00:28:51.319
And then you see it now in beauty, the led masks, right?

00:28:51.339 --> 00:28:53.089
You see the girls wearing the led masks.

00:28:53.089 --> 00:28:54.099
That's just light therapy.

00:28:54.099 --> 00:28:54.359
Right.

00:28:54.859 --> 00:29:11.279
Um, you sort of see, it starts to all like, wow, I got to, you, you, you You feel very, um, privileged to, to know and be abreast of this information and I'm very much at the very, the forefront of any new technology that comes out what to do with light therapy.

00:29:11.690 --> 00:29:12.920
I'll, I'll know about it.

00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.670
I just, I have the, the relationships.

00:29:15.670 --> 00:29:16.569
I have the network.

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:17.950
I have the partnerships.

00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:20.900
Um, because I'm very, very much passionate about it.

00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:27.880
Um, and I want to create more light therapy devices that support every kind of pain.

00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.914
And it's just, I mean that the frustrating thing is just getting the message out.

00:29:31.914 --> 00:29:38.015
It's getting the word out that, you know, because people again, Oh, what, you know, I, I have a drug, I want to take it.

00:29:38.095 --> 00:29:41.704
There's a drug and the drug gets my pain away instantly.

00:29:41.724 --> 00:29:42.644
It's like, doesn't get it.

00:29:42.924 --> 00:29:52.654
It temporarily gets, uh, addresses the issue, but then you're creating another problem here because you're now becoming very addicted to that temporary pain, right?

00:29:52.934 --> 00:29:56.045
It's kind of, this can lead down a very dangerous path, right?

00:29:56.045 --> 00:29:56.275
Yeah.

00:29:56.555 --> 00:30:01.855
Um, and then you're, you're saying, look, this is natural, you know, it's off, it's natural, it's probably not going to work.

00:30:02.244 --> 00:30:05.474
This, this attitude is so frustrating.

00:30:05.884 --> 00:30:11.714
Um, but it's, it's just the milestone that we all in photobiomodulation have to overcome.

00:30:12.285 --> 00:30:20.065
Um, and we're just going to keep going until, um, it's become a widely used means of treatment for any and all kinds of pain.

00:30:20.744 --> 00:30:24.085
And, um, not only that, but I mean, think about.

00:30:24.894 --> 00:30:26.105
Think about anxiety, right?

00:30:26.105 --> 00:30:27.075
Think about depression.

00:30:27.194 --> 00:30:29.625
Think about these, these conditions with your brain.

00:30:29.625 --> 00:30:30.394
Why are they caused?

00:30:30.424 --> 00:30:31.595
Where is this coming from?

00:30:31.605 --> 00:30:34.214
Why is this happening more so now than before?

00:30:34.575 --> 00:30:44.714
Is it because that perhaps we're not, you know, exposing ourselves to good light, light from the sun, but we're instead, you know, exposing ourselves to bad light, right?

00:30:44.755 --> 00:30:46.785
Artificial light, which is like from your phone,

00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:48.009
a lot of blue light

00:30:48.394 --> 00:30:49.345
like blue light, right?

00:30:49.345 --> 00:30:53.650
So, And we're not, we're sort of not following our circadian rhythm.

00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:55.880
We would wake up as primal human beings.

00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.380
We'd wake up when the beautiful sunrise would come.

00:30:58.380 --> 00:31:00.410
We'd get our, get our energy, right?

00:31:00.410 --> 00:31:04.140
And this would also protect us for the later rays throughout the day, right?

00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:05.529
The more intense rays of light.

00:31:06.134 --> 00:31:11.134
And then when the sun went down, that would be our circadian rhythm would tell us time to go to bed, right?

00:31:11.134 --> 00:31:13.585
And this was, this was our, in our biology, right?

00:31:13.684 --> 00:31:15.704
Go wake up, go to sleep, wake up, go to sleep.

00:31:15.734 --> 00:31:21.015
And we would sit around campfires and we'd have that, that red light from the fire, right?

00:31:21.035 --> 00:31:25.474
That would, and this again would just encourage us to wind down, to turn off.

00:31:25.484 --> 00:31:25.765
Right.

00:31:26.305 --> 00:31:30.184
But now we're up late watching tick tock or some other nonsense.

00:31:31.029 --> 00:31:35.599
And we're all like, and we're wired and we're doing it from a very young age.

00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:40.359
And this is causing, creating anxiety, creating depression, creating things.

00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:42.559
You know, people are like, I feel bad.

00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:43.900
I feel depressed, but I don't know why.

00:31:44.299 --> 00:31:46.519
I don't know why nothing bad has happened to me.

00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.710
I feel, you know, my dog didn't die.

00:31:48.890 --> 00:31:50.319
You know, my parents still love me.

00:31:50.670 --> 00:31:51.690
You know, I still have a job.

00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:52.809
I don't know why I feel bad.

00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:56.900
And that's, I'm just like, dude, you're, you need to basically, you need to get your feet.

00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:03.660
You need to stand on the ground, the actual ground, ground, grounded, you know, you get some good light.

00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:14.420
You need to like go to the beach, you know, put your feet on this in the sand, go into the ocean, get some of that good light and you know, do that for two weeks and let's see if you feel, feel depressed afterwards.

00:32:14.420 --> 00:32:14.609
Right.

00:32:15.190 --> 00:32:15.700
Um,

00:32:15.815 --> 00:32:16.994
going to ask you, Um,

00:32:17.276 --> 00:32:18.852
it's such

00:32:19.005 --> 00:32:29.384
customers, clients, and people that, you know, give you feedback, do they notice Uh, outside of, yes, you're gonna, you're gonna heal yourself.

00:32:29.424 --> 00:32:33.035
One, what's usually the turnaround healing time?

00:32:33.065 --> 00:32:39.615
And then two, uh, what type of mental, uh, uh, how does it affect them mentally?

00:32:39.615 --> 00:32:45.105
Because you started mentioning that, you know, can it affect you mentally if it's not, nowhere's near your head?

00:32:45.694 --> 00:32:46.615
You know, how does that work?

00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:54.519
good question and it's like the greatest thing about the human race is that we're all different.

00:32:55.069 --> 00:32:55.369
Right.

00:32:55.470 --> 00:33:01.079
That's that is humanity's greatest resource is our differences because we can all learn from each other.

00:33:01.109 --> 00:33:03.329
You can never say someone is 100 percent right.

00:33:03.329 --> 00:33:04.670
Someone is 100 percent wrong, right?

00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:06.940
Um, and just like everybody's different.

00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:10.380
Everybody's everybody's pain is different.

00:33:10.410 --> 00:33:12.190
Everybody's pain tolerance.

00:33:12.569 --> 00:33:14.640
Um, pain responses, pain recovery.

00:33:14.650 --> 00:33:15.230
It's all different.

00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:16.269
Everyone's different, right?

00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.950
Um, there's some people that, you know, It's like 10 minutes of exposure to an affected area.

00:33:22.970 --> 00:33:25.950
After one 10 minute session, they're like, Oh my God, like.

00:33:26.950 --> 00:33:27.670
What happened?

00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:28.740
This is amazing.

00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.259
And you know, they shout to the hills like this is everyone come hither.

00:33:32.309 --> 00:33:32.599
Right?

00:33:32.970 --> 00:33:34.259
And then you'll meet someone.

00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:43.319
You'll meet someone who, you know, just did like an arm workout and he's like, Oh, you know, my biceps are a little bit sore.

00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.769
And you think like, that's very surface level pain.

00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.740
You know, if we're looking at red and near infrared, right?

00:33:48.740 --> 00:33:50.240
We're, we're definitely going to be addressed.

00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:55.849
Like, I'm confident that for muscular pain, like it's called Dom's, right?

00:33:56.045 --> 00:33:57.454
delayed onset muscle soreness.

00:33:57.865 --> 00:34:03.224
This is a pain that is very easily covered with light therapy.

00:34:03.585 --> 00:34:08.235
And, you know, but then suddenly this guy's like, no, I don't feel any better.

00:34:08.614 --> 00:34:12.375
So, and after two weeks or let's still doesn't feel any better.

00:34:12.934 --> 00:34:14.565
Um, it's just, everybody's different.

00:34:14.574 --> 00:34:19.695
But what, what I always say is like every human being, they have like a battery inside them.

00:34:20.489 --> 00:34:21.710
So everyone has a battery.

00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:25.250
Now this battery is clinical.

00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:33.210
Clinical research shows that with a full dose of red light therapy, you can basically fill up your battery for 20 minutes.

00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.920
After 20 minutes of full full body exposure, you fill the battery up.

00:34:38.289 --> 00:34:41.880
So after that 20 minutes, you're not really getting any benefit.

00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:50.824
You're kind of like, You're, you're done, you're capped, but every human being, their batteries deplete at different rates.

00:34:50.994 --> 00:34:57.125
Someone, you know, dealing with cancer may delete, you know, may deplete quite quick.

00:34:58.034 --> 00:35:04.875
Yeah, like somebody, you know, with a knee injury might deplete quite quickly because we have, it's inflammation, right?

00:35:04.875 --> 00:35:08.565
So going back again to what red light therapy can do, there's three mechanisms.

00:35:09.434 --> 00:35:13.474
By giving your, the light, the wavelengths of light create three mechanisms.

00:35:13.554 --> 00:35:15.525
One is enhanced blood circulation.

00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:19.650
One is increased ATP and the other one is anti inflammation.

00:35:19.670 --> 00:35:23.889
So cancer, inflammation, broken shoulder, inflammation, right?

00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.639
Tumor in the head, inflammation, there's inflammation in your body.

00:35:26.650 --> 00:35:29.010
So red light therapy brings inflammation down.

00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:36.269
Now the inflammation, you know, that if it's, if it's cancer, right, that inflammation, the battery will deplete.

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.159
You need to then charge the battery again for, for, for very serious conditions.

00:35:40.269 --> 00:35:40.550
No.

00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.510
Um, some people, their battery can deplete less.

00:35:44.530 --> 00:35:48.550
There's other things you can do to help you absorb red light therapy better.

00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:52.650
And one is, um, is it's very important to hydrate.

00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.639
You need to be to be drinking good like not distilled water, but mineral water.

00:35:57.789 --> 00:35:58.719
You need to be hydrated.

00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:05.179
Hydrated hydration is extremely important as an element to support Recovery for red light therapy.

00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:07.239
So that's one thing we always look at.

00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:15.349
And then the other thing is, Oh, this is where I'm going to need to get that scientist on your podcast because there's two other minerals.

00:36:15.429 --> 00:36:20.960
I believe that you need that if you're deficient in them, um, These two other minerals.

00:36:21.230 --> 00:36:23.179
This will be like an exciting part two.

00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:35.449
You could talk to, but there's two other minerals that you need that if your body's deficient in it, it doesn't, it's harder for red light therapy to take an effect.

00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:45.559
So what I always, yeah, what I always say is like, obviously, remember to hydrate, make sure you're getting your minerals in, um, and then give red light therapy.

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.349
Give it a two week chance.

00:36:47.429 --> 00:36:48.659
I always say two weeks.

00:36:49.690 --> 00:36:57.440
Some photo by modulation doctors with raving reviews, hugely famous, their applications are bought everywhere.

00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:58.039
Everyone does it.

00:36:58.510 --> 00:37:00.000
They say four weeks.

00:37:00.619 --> 00:37:01.750
They say even longer.

00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:09.539
They really are like, dude, if you want to really address your plan on a cell level, you want to be pain free, invest four weeks.

00:37:10.460 --> 00:37:29.010
Now, um, for me that I'm like, okay, that's that, that I will definitely rementioned to say, but I've seen a lot of great response after two weeks and that's a 40 minutes a day with, um, with my targeted treatment device with the LumaFlex

00:37:29.375 --> 00:37:31.914
And I think it's because it's targeted too, you know.

00:37:33.135 --> 00:37:35.574
also too, I mean, there it is.

00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:36.670
yeah.

00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:41.150
So you can see that's the light must touch your skin.

00:37:41.775 --> 00:37:48.324
For those listening, um, you gotta go to YouTube and see him, uh, turn this on and, and, and, and work with it.

00:37:48.324 --> 00:37:50.945
Ha ha ha.

00:37:52.224 --> 00:37:53.224
You look like Iron Man.

00:37:53.255 --> 00:37:54.434
He's got it on his chest.

00:37:54.894 --> 00:37:56.204
He put it in the, in the top area.

00:37:57.014 --> 00:37:58.144
And it's glowing, that's funny.

00:37:59.025 --> 00:38:05.344
heart and then I get spine, so I put it on my, my neck And then

00:38:05.405 --> 00:38:07.184
40 minutes each area, you would say?

00:38:07.885 --> 00:38:10.514
Um, oh no, no, that's for the pain.

00:38:10.585 --> 00:38:17.784
So if you have like a bad shoulder painful area, I would say 40 minutes throughout the day for two weeks.

00:38:18.215 --> 00:38:18.514
Right.

00:38:18.565 --> 00:38:27.025
So we're going to really overdose overdosing, but if you're pain free and you're like, Oh, you know, I still want to get my red light therapy.

00:38:27.025 --> 00:38:29.625
I still want to get my cells, you know, to have that energy.

00:38:29.625 --> 00:38:34.635
I want my mitochondria health, you know, where should I be putting my, you know, my device.

00:38:34.744 --> 00:38:43.614
And I would always say forehead, a heart spine and gut, and then usually the back of the, the back of the, your spine, right?

00:38:43.614 --> 00:38:44.474
Your, your lower back.

00:38:44.764 --> 00:38:46.264
That's the number one.

00:38:46.815 --> 00:38:54.974
Area that is, um, has the, there's more pain in America, more pain requests than any other area.

00:38:54.985 --> 00:39:02.514
So more people go into a hospital saying I have a bad lower back and that's like as a pain that any, anything else at all.

00:39:03.005 --> 00:39:13.005
So that's the, the device, as you can see, it's kind of large enough to stay portable, but also you can aim it at the back.

00:39:13.335 --> 00:39:14.224
You can have it on

00:39:14.275 --> 00:39:15.414
Question for you.

00:39:15.425 --> 00:39:23.545
Let's say you have that back pain, and you put it on your back, and you're gonna, going to see results after two weeks.

00:39:23.764 --> 00:39:26.815
Can you slow down on the usage of it?

00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:29.659
Oh, Yeah, I mean,

00:39:29.764 --> 00:39:32.594
Yeah, how does like the weaning off work, and then like maintenance?

00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:33.789
Yeah.

00:39:33.789 --> 00:39:33.980
Yeah.

00:39:33.980 --> 00:39:42.880
Like if, if you, yeah, if you, if you say after two weeks or let's say after two weeks, you feel fine, you don't have to wean off.

00:39:42.889 --> 00:39:46.139
You can just simply stop and then go to the primary areas.

00:39:46.655 --> 00:40:04.545
Your brain, your, and the thing about red light is like what I encourage people to use in, whether it's a lumaflex or any other device, any application of red light therapy, use it like you would the sun when you wake up, turn on, that's, that's telling your body to wake up.

00:40:04.875 --> 00:40:05.724
So when you wake

00:40:05.965 --> 00:40:06.224
night

00:40:06.565 --> 00:40:11.215
we're in a room, you know, there's, you have the artificial light and you wake up.

00:40:11.824 --> 00:40:13.704
You know, are you, do you go outside?

00:40:13.784 --> 00:40:15.164
Some people, they don't even go outside.

00:40:15.164 --> 00:40:15.784
They'll go.

00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:19.460
you know, straight to the elevator, go down, jump in their car and they're off to work.

00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:19.670
Right?

00:40:20.190 --> 00:40:24.210
So I usually say when you wake up, turn on the sun, that's the sun turning.

00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:33.190
So I usually just leave it as like a lamp and then I do that again at night because not all of us can sit and watch the sunrise and sunset every day.

00:40:33.190 --> 00:40:33.429
Right?

00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.820
So use it as a tool, like just for your circadian rhythm.

00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:42.159
You know, if you're, if you're feeling, if you ever have a headache, I don't know how to explain it.

00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.170
It just really helps against headaches.

00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:46.440
Yeah.

00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.360
Yeah.

00:40:49.414 --> 00:40:50.894
using it as a lamp too.

00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:51.659
Right?

00:40:52.369 --> 00:40:56.590
Or, or, some people have the, the salt lamps, and then you can have this.

00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:01.110
Um, it, it, it definitely has a multiple purpose, which is pretty cool.

00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:18.909
Do you have any, like, crazy, like, unexpected, um, and I, I'm pretty sure you have to be careful with the word healing, but, like, any, and, uh, like, good results, like, you were, like, even you were, like, hmm, I'm not sure if this is gonna help, and then it pretty much shocked you.

00:41:19.710 --> 00:41:20.139
Yeah.

00:41:20.309 --> 00:41:22.500
There was a really cool story.

00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.280
Do you know William Shatner?

00:41:24.980 --> 00:41:25.329
Mm

00:41:25.349 --> 00:41:26.230
Captain Kirk.

00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.719
I had, um, yeah, I'm, he was like my childhood hero.

00:41:30.730 --> 00:41:37.619
He was my, you know, I wasn't allowed to watch TV with swearing or with, with, with violence, right?

00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:38.150
With blood.

00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.590
So my parents would let me watch Star Trek because there's no swearing, right?

00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:48.730
It's like, uh, like, what would Bones always, he always would say, land sakes, Jim.

00:41:48.750 --> 00:41:56.034
He like, he There was literally no swearing like you, like, is that a bad, was that a bad word back then?

00:41:56.065 --> 00:41:56.695
Probably not.

00:41:56.704 --> 00:41:58.195
It was still not a bad word.

00:42:00.125 --> 00:42:00.695
Yeah, there was.

00:42:00.735 --> 00:42:03.735
And there and every time that nobody dies, right?

00:42:03.744 --> 00:42:09.494
Like, Kirk goes down with his away team and they always just kind of like fall off to the side of the camera like that.

00:42:10.114 --> 00:42:13.135
Um, but I, I was,

00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.539
Completely different experience from, from me growing up.

00:42:15.929 --> 00:42:16.360
Okay.

00:42:19.445 --> 00:42:20.934
I love, I love Star Trek.

00:42:20.974 --> 00:42:24.684
I absolutely like, I was obsessed with it because it was the only thing we had allowed to watch.

00:42:24.684 --> 00:42:25.844
So Kirk was my guy.

00:42:25.855 --> 00:42:33.554
It was my idol and I would dress up as Kirk, um, for my birthday parties, um, for Halloween, for Christmas, everything.

00:42:33.565 --> 00:42:35.275
I was Kirk and I would have a phaser.

00:42:35.275 --> 00:42:38.215
I'd go around, I'd shoot everyone and I, and they'd be like, Hey, I shot you.

00:42:38.215 --> 00:42:39.494
And I was like, I can't die.

00:42:39.494 --> 00:42:39.974
I'm Kirk.

00:42:40.284 --> 00:42:40.905
Kirk never died.

00:42:43.824 --> 00:42:54.565
But, um, in Miami, uh, there was a biohacking event and, um, he was, he came, he came to this event and of course I was extremely excited to meet him.

00:42:54.565 --> 00:42:56.144
I was like, wow, my childhood hero did it.

00:42:56.284 --> 00:42:58.405
He was, he's not at that time.

00:42:58.405 --> 00:42:59.605
He, I think he was 95.

00:42:59.614 --> 00:43:00.945
I think he's 96 now.

00:43:01.545 --> 00:43:03.295
Um, I think so.

00:43:03.295 --> 00:43:03.474
Yeah.

00:43:03.474 --> 00:43:04.574
92 or 93.

00:43:04.574 --> 00:43:05.704
I hope I'm, I hope I'm right.

00:43:06.125 --> 00:43:16.690
But, um, So I'm there and the guy runs up, one of my mates runs up to me and he's like, John, John, William Shatner wants, wants you, wants to meet you, wants to meet you.

00:43:16.699 --> 00:43:17.989
He wants red light.

00:43:18.710 --> 00:43:19.659
And I was like, what?

00:43:19.710 --> 00:43:21.730
What do you, like, what?

00:43:22.219 --> 00:43:23.010
And I'm like, okay.

00:43:23.010 --> 00:43:24.440
And I grabbed a Lumaflex.

00:43:24.844 --> 00:43:30.954
And he pulled me over and I went to this back, you know, upstairs up this elevator to this VIP area.

00:43:31.195 --> 00:43:33.184
And there I see William Shatner.

00:43:33.324 --> 00:43:34.414
He's in a wheelchair.

00:43:34.945 --> 00:43:39.315
Um, and I look at him and, oh, I, dude, I almost like broke down.

00:43:39.335 --> 00:43:45.224
I was so, he, he was, he, he's, he's really old and he was, he's wrecked.

00:43:45.255 --> 00:43:48.875
Like he was wrecked and he has, he had arthritis in his arm

00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:49.869
Hmm.

00:43:50.344 --> 00:43:50.664
shoulder.

00:43:51.510 --> 00:43:57.340
And it was coming down to his bicep and he was like, I'm in incredible pain all the time.

00:43:57.340 --> 00:43:59.940
Now I'm in, I'm in so much pain right now.

00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:11.820
Um, and when you see your hero who go, you know, you dressed up at and you see him just like, he's like so helpless and just so under the control of pain.

00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:13.010
It's so heartbreaking.

00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.750
I was like, Whoa, I was, I was like, I'm, I'm, I'm here.

00:44:16.750 --> 00:44:22.440
I'm whatever you get, I'm going to do whatever I got, pull out whatever tricks that I know, like, geez, I'm, I got you buddy.

00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:28.360
And, um, I got the LumaFlex and I stuck it on his, um, on his, uh, his shoulder.

00:44:28.809 --> 00:44:38.579
And then he went off and he started, he gave like a little talk to some, some VIPs and he talked about this injury and how like for years he's dealt with this.

00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.960
And, and he's dealt with this doctor and it was, it's a whole ordeal.

00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:43.449
And.

00:44:43.969 --> 00:44:46.840
Just amazing that he was still like, he was still going through it.

00:44:46.860 --> 00:45:08.119
He's, you know, he really, and even at that age, he was still, still Captain Kirk, like he would, he would, no way was his brain effect, he was still so smart, so funny, so articulate with, you know, he, he was, and I, and I'm sitting there the whole time and I'm, I got the, you know, the pad and I'm moving it around, right.

00:45:08.309 --> 00:45:09.280
So all the different areas.

00:45:09.409 --> 00:45:10.199
doing his talk.

00:45:12.210 --> 00:45:12.389
But

00:45:12.489 --> 00:45:12.769
Yeah.

00:45:14.974 --> 00:45:21.335
And I was like, and I remember my, um, I was my older brother, he lives in, um, he, he lives in California.

00:45:21.394 --> 00:45:25.474
He flew over to Miami to see me and he like tried to come through and they're like, no, no, no.

00:45:25.474 --> 00:45:27.364
Sorry, you can't, it's only VIPs.

00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:27.829
You can't.

00:45:27.994 --> 00:45:30.590
And I was like, ah, stay out there.

00:45:30.820 --> 00:45:31.510
Stay out, man.

00:45:32.980 --> 00:45:33.309
For

00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:34.070
Get outta here.

00:45:34.489 --> 00:45:35.260
I don't know that guy.

00:45:36.190 --> 00:45:36.480
Yeah.

00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:36.719
Yeah.

00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.010
It's like me, but no idea who it is.

00:45:42.235 --> 00:45:45.315
But he said, I remember I gave him that treatment.

00:45:45.355 --> 00:45:46.074
Thank you so much.

00:45:46.074 --> 00:45:47.934
I gave him the device the next day.

00:45:48.275 --> 00:45:51.565
He wanted to do it again up on, uh, again in front of everyone.

00:45:51.885 --> 00:45:56.824
And he told me, he said, um, he feels, he said 80 percent better.

00:45:57.775 --> 00:46:12.559
And he said, I was like, I was like 80 percent like, you know, and that, you know, he was so articulate, like when he, he, because people would ask him questions about him, him going up into space, his history as an actor, his kids, all this stuff.

00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.340
And he's so, you know, he, he doesn't just like ramble.

00:46:16.570 --> 00:46:19.980
He, he even pauses and he slowly talks.

00:46:19.989 --> 00:46:27.719
He's very, Careful about how he talks and he chose 80 percent and I was like, wow, that's, I'll take that.

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:36.239
I'll, you know, I'll take, I'll take that from, from, from you, from like, given your situation after two treatments, two days.

00:46:36.829 --> 00:46:40.880
Um, I was like, wow, that really, really, that's going to mean a lot to me.

00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:41.769
I know I called my mother,

00:46:42.465 --> 00:46:42.664
Yeah,

00:46:45.110 --> 00:46:45.980
William Shatner.

00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:48.090
And she's like, tell him I love him, John.

00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:48.760
I love him.

00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:49.670
I love him so much.

00:46:51.385 --> 00:46:55.094
that's so cool that you, you met like your, your childhood hero and

00:46:55.210 --> 00:46:55.639
Yeah.

00:46:56.295 --> 00:46:57.195
wow.

00:46:58.050 --> 00:47:06.300
Yeah, I've met, um, I've met my two heroes, my young, my childhood hero, Captain Kirk, and the hero that I have now is Tyson Fury.

00:47:06.570 --> 00:47:10.559
I've met both of them, and I both had these amazing experiences with them.

00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.269
Like, if someone were to say, who do you want to meet?

00:47:12.369 --> 00:47:14.679
I'd, yeah, I can't really,

00:47:14.824 --> 00:47:15.315
You're good

00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:22.949
I, Joe Rogan, I guess, but just for, you know, I don't know.

00:47:24.650 --> 00:47:25.840
I might pass on that too.

00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.710
I don't know.

00:47:27.219 --> 00:47:27.800
I'm not too sure.

00:47:27.864 --> 00:47:32.315
is big into, well, at least at one point he did the MMA, right?

00:47:32.364 --> 00:47:37.414
And, and he would probably appreciate something like this if he was actively doing it.

00:47:37.434 --> 00:47:38.684
Dude still works out.

00:47:39.255 --> 00:47:41.735
Um, That's nuts.

00:47:41.795 --> 00:47:52.074
I mean, if I were my childhood person that I would want to meet is actually Michael J Fox because, uh, back to the future was like my movie.

00:47:52.244 --> 00:47:53.644
It still is my movie.

00:47:54.005 --> 00:47:56.795
And, uh, to meet him would be awesome.

00:47:57.434 --> 00:48:10.914
Um, I'd have to go through some like, uh, Comic con or something like that where they're still coming in and they were in the area and I was so upset that I didn't go I'm like, I should have like just taking the time off and but um, that's a cool story.

00:48:10.934 --> 00:48:11.715
Thanks for sharing.

00:48:12.695 --> 00:48:15.235
So, um Bringing it home.

00:48:15.235 --> 00:48:29.894
I mean we have light there you therapy you can use it in the morning and nights I was if anything What would be the difference of impact because it has two parts it has red light and the and then it has you said Infrared

00:48:30.610 --> 00:48:30.929
Yep.

00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:31.969
At infrared.

00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:33.460
what's the difference?

00:48:33.804 --> 00:48:34.675
what's the difference?

00:48:34.735 --> 00:48:35.074
Yeah,

00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.949
Yeah, it's just the depth at which the light, the wavelengths of light, how deep they go.

00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:43.650
So, you know the LED masks, right?

00:48:44.010 --> 00:48:47.710
That usually those, those masks, most of them.

00:48:48.224 --> 00:48:56.054
Um, I can't recall a brand that has infrared, but most of them just do red, meaning it's just surface.

00:48:56.295 --> 00:48:59.855
It's just to boost collagen in your skin, right?

00:48:59.855 --> 00:49:02.494
But, but infrared goes deeper.

00:49:02.514 --> 00:49:07.355
And that's where we're looking at joints, bones, like we're looking at deep chronic pain, right?

00:49:07.355 --> 00:49:11.074
Arthritis, sciatica, we need a deeper wavelength of light.

00:49:11.425 --> 00:49:17.934
So for the lumaflex, um, The red light we have, that's a dual, a dual chip.

00:49:17.934 --> 00:49:23.594
So each chip has both red and infrared programmed into that chip.

00:49:24.215 --> 00:49:28.025
So the 630 nanometer, the red light, right?

00:49:28.034 --> 00:49:29.005
That's the light.

00:49:29.034 --> 00:49:31.494
And then 850, that's the deeper light.

00:49:31.925 --> 00:49:40.135
But there are devices where, like, um, this, uh, one scientist, uh, Sarah Turner, she deals with the brain, right?

00:49:40.804 --> 00:49:48.494
Red light in the brain, which in my opinion is the most exciting space in, in light therapy that everybody's talking about.

00:49:48.494 --> 00:49:50.264
There's so much incredible science.

00:49:50.304 --> 00:49:51.164
edge right now.

00:49:51.744 --> 00:49:58.494
Yeah, it's like you're talking about like brain diseases, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's all being like eradicated.

00:49:58.505 --> 00:50:11.525
You know, I know, I know a veterans, uh, uh, organization in Boca that, um, they use red light therapy to help support like PTSD, like for, for, for them to sort of get rewired.

00:50:12.065 --> 00:50:27.460
And, um, it's amazing that the cases that they had where people have come in wrecked, like mentally, but then after, you know, continuous treatment are now You know, getting back to their lives and, you know, are feeling normal.

00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.789
And that's just through light, infrared light, to the brain.

00:50:31.179 --> 00:50:34.829
And those, that wavelength of light is like a thousand.

00:50:34.829 --> 00:50:36.320
It goes up much, much higher.

00:50:36.864 --> 00:50:42.005
Oh because because of the brain It has to go a little bit deeper and it's different material.

00:50:42.894 --> 00:51:02.934
That's I like It's interesting how light Can be so impactful And Like you said, it's been around for a while and we're rediscovering it air quotes and how that light is, is something natural that the body's designed to take in.

00:51:02.945 --> 00:51:07.565
It's not designed to take in a chemical that was manufactured in a lab.

00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:09.039
that's right.

00:51:09.405 --> 00:51:12.375
to take in one of the main things, which is light.

00:51:12.695 --> 00:51:19.840
And, um, I would say before we finish up today, Because we're talking about light, I'm very curious.

00:51:19.849 --> 00:51:22.099
What are your thoughts on sun gazing?

00:51:22.150 --> 00:51:27.309
If you're aware of it, you're going to explode.

00:51:27.980 --> 00:51:28.219
Yeah.

00:51:28.219 --> 00:51:28.804
It's.

00:51:29.105 --> 00:51:29.525
Yeah.

00:51:29.554 --> 00:51:32.324
So there's another friend of mine, very close friend of mine.

00:51:32.335 --> 00:51:35.034
He's a, he's a photo by modulation scientist.

00:51:35.644 --> 00:51:50.655
This guy, he's like, I, I need to like de load in the, you know, the trips that we have where we meet and we, you know, we're learning together and we're doing like some media events together and stuff.

00:51:51.074 --> 00:51:57.679
Um, he has, he's a wealth of information, a wealth of information on light therapy.

00:51:57.690 --> 00:51:58.570
He can talk.

00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:05.789
He's, in my opinion, the person that can package light therapy better than anyone else, anyone else.

00:52:06.429 --> 00:52:10.730
This guy, this guy can look at the sun.

00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:13.989
Look, I wake up in the morning.

00:52:14.059 --> 00:52:15.079
I get grounded.

00:52:15.090 --> 00:52:19.400
You know, I want to get my, you know, I want to get my eyeballs exposed to sunlight, right?

00:52:19.670 --> 00:52:24.170
Every that's, you know, that's a very important morning protocol just to wait.

00:52:24.170 --> 00:52:25.750
Get out, get outside, get outside.

00:52:25.789 --> 00:52:30.280
Don't let the window or wall and especially don't have, you know, artificial light.

00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:31.420
The first thing that your I see.

00:52:31.420 --> 00:52:32.559
Try to get outside, get outside.

00:52:33.425 --> 00:52:38.844
And you know, we'll have talks in that morning, sip of the coffee, you know, outside on the grass.

00:52:39.414 --> 00:52:42.494
And one day, one day, I'll never forget this.

00:52:42.914 --> 00:52:44.355
One day it's quite, it was quite a while ago.

00:52:44.394 --> 00:52:46.675
He goes, um, Hey, yeah.

00:52:46.735 --> 00:52:48.025
And he told me that thing, sungays.

00:52:48.215 --> 00:52:49.224
And he goes, check this out.

00:52:49.304 --> 00:52:51.385
Takes off his glasses and he just looks at the sun.

00:52:52.405 --> 00:52:55.492
And I was like, it's like 10, 10 30.

00:52:55.492 --> 00:52:55.925
I was like, Ooh.

00:52:55.925 --> 00:52:57.105
And he's just looking at the sun.

00:52:57.594 --> 00:52:59.644
And he's like, yeah, I can, I can do this.

00:53:00.114 --> 00:53:03.965
I can do this like during any time of the day, you know, even 12, 12 to

00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:05.510
That's the first time I heard of that.

00:53:06.105 --> 00:53:11.744
And he's built up this, uh, it's taken him three years.

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:13.309
Wow.

00:53:13.315 --> 00:53:14.114
taken three years.

00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:14.940
Cause

00:53:15.105 --> 00:53:17.614
I was like, okay, how do I get on?

00:53:17.829 --> 00:53:19.010
in like you have to.

00:53:19.380 --> 00:53:29.440
So I, when I first learned about it, you have to be in an area where when you wake up, if you're starting to get into it, I'm pretty sure what this is what he did.

00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:31.429
You have to start right.

00:53:31.755 --> 00:53:37.894
When it just comes over the horizon and you have to slowly condition your eyes

00:53:38.795 --> 00:53:40.159
Yeah.

00:53:40.755 --> 00:54:06.340
they say like, um, 10 seconds at a time Until you can kind of like stretch it and you have to just listen to and feel your eyes so for this guy to be able to do like any time of the day that actually changes my my thought process About looking at the sun because I haven't heard of anybody being able to to look and be Educate on it and still do it during the day.

00:54:06.349 --> 00:54:08.880
It's usually like within the first like minute or so.

00:54:08.909 --> 00:54:09.989
And then it's like, don't do it.

00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:13.460
And then we just had the, uh, the solar it's 2024.

00:54:13.510 --> 00:54:15.780
We just had the solar eclipse in the U S

00:54:16.324 --> 00:54:16.644
Yeah.

00:54:16.769 --> 00:54:19.559
a lot of people were saying, Oh, you're going to go blind if you look at it.

00:54:20.349 --> 00:54:23.719
And it's one of those like, yes and no.

00:54:23.974 --> 00:54:29.974
You know, if you're not trained anything that you do and you're not trained in it and not conditioned for it, yeah, you're going to get damaged.

00:54:30.155 --> 00:54:30.474
So it's

00:54:30.695 --> 00:54:30.925
That's right.

00:54:30.965 --> 00:54:36.574
to see, like, I'm curious, so is that guy that you're talking about, is he in the U.

00:54:36.574 --> 00:54:36.954
S.?

00:54:38.164 --> 00:54:39.394
I believe he's in the US.

00:54:39.394 --> 00:54:39.784
Yeah.

00:54:40.275 --> 00:54:40.474
Yeah.

00:54:40.474 --> 00:54:45.655
He's in, I think he's in, I think he's, yeah, might be a, he travels a lot.

00:54:46.045 --> 00:54:59.525
I usually, as a scientist, I like to work with him because, you know, you know, part of launching if I'm working with partners, usually if I want to do a presentation, if I want to incorporate like an education element into the partnership.

00:54:59.900 --> 00:55:02.059
I always am like, you, you know, where are you?

00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:03.710
Can you, where are you in the world?

00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:05.659
I fly in.

00:55:06.380 --> 00:55:09.289
I, I want to, I wanna work with him on, on things like that.

00:55:09.289 --> 00:55:13.460
Like if we're talking to big companies, like, and I, I am, um, yeah.

00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:18.289
I'm talking to very, very large companies about, you know, especially in the sports world.

00:55:18.349 --> 00:55:19.250
Sports world, right.

00:55:19.309 --> 00:55:19.369
Um.

00:55:20.750 --> 00:55:24.300
So he's, he's a great resource to have as a scientist.

00:55:24.300 --> 00:55:29.130
You can come in, give a presentation, give a talk, and I get a lot of that education along the way.

00:55:29.130 --> 00:55:30.309
Like I've really benefited.

00:55:30.739 --> 00:55:32.769
Um, but he told me exactly the same thing.

00:55:32.769 --> 00:55:36.039
He said, you want to start, you start, you know, sunrise, this is how you do it.

00:55:36.090 --> 00:55:36.539
You did it.

00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:41.260
I was like, wow, man, that's, that's a, that's some really invent.

00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:50.804
Like he, he, he really knows so much about light, about the power of light and And the use of light and the magic of light.

00:55:50.815 --> 00:55:55.355
Just, I mean, I don't know how else to describe it other than just the pure magic of light.

00:55:55.855 --> 00:56:08.224
Um, that he's, yeah, he wants to, you know, sort of engulf and, um, nourish his body in every way possible with light.

00:56:08.275 --> 00:56:08.655
So

00:56:08.905 --> 00:56:09.795
You know what would be cool?

00:56:10.684 --> 00:56:19.269
yeah, looking at the sun, I was watching him look at the sun and It was just like, I'm looking at you, like his eyes were, they just were Like

00:56:20.824 --> 00:56:21.425
Like nothing.

00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:25.760
yeah, he wasn't like, ah, or like watery or anything.

00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:26.309
He was just like,

00:56:26.925 --> 00:56:27.855
I was gonna joke around.

00:56:27.905 --> 00:56:32.894
I'm like, the next invention could be clothes that light up.

00:56:35.304 --> 00:56:37.164
That's, that's, that's way into the future.

00:56:37.324 --> 00:56:39.594
But, you know, like just, I'm just being, I'm just joking around.

00:56:39.594 --> 00:56:44.465
But, you know, ideally you would be like, you know, walking around naked all the time, which is what we used to do.

00:56:45.269 --> 00:56:45.739
That's right.

00:56:46.610 --> 00:56:47.210
That's right.

00:56:48.454 --> 00:56:51.755
as we come to a close, is there anything specific?

00:56:52.070 --> 00:56:55.260
That, um, you're working on that you wanted to share that's new.

00:56:55.550 --> 00:57:02.730
Um, and if not, you know, how do we find you if the audience wants to know a little bit more about your project and get in contact with you or your company?

00:57:03.670 --> 00:57:08.480
Well, right now I'm, um, I'm in China in our manufacturing office.

00:57:08.849 --> 00:57:11.880
For a couple of weeks, because I want to build new products.

00:57:11.929 --> 00:57:12.969
I want to build new products.

00:57:12.969 --> 00:57:15.400
I want to build products that change the world.

00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:23.250
And it's not about, you know, it's not about you adapting to the the red light application or product.

00:57:23.460 --> 00:57:25.250
It's about the product adapting to you.

00:57:25.250 --> 00:57:29.239
I'm very much interested in creating devices that more a part of our lifestyle.

00:57:29.489 --> 00:57:34.699
Not so much, but we have to kind of like, you know, go like the panels, for example, I'm not.

00:57:35.610 --> 00:57:38.659
I'm, I don't really like the, because you have to stand in front of the panel.

00:57:38.659 --> 00:57:40.610
I want, you know, I want something that you can wear.

00:57:40.610 --> 00:57:41.510
I like wearables.

00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.980
I like on the go, portable, accessible.

00:57:44.409 --> 00:57:54.110
Um, so anyone who has ideas about products, um, in red light therapy, you can drop me a DM on John Graham fitness on my Instagram.

00:57:54.110 --> 00:57:57.679
I'm probably most active on my Instagram because we have a lot of influencers.

00:57:58.054 --> 00:58:00.875
Um, and we live in, you know, the social media world.

00:58:00.875 --> 00:58:10.025
So, um, and we need all the visual promotion we can get, you know, when we're trying to raise awareness with, um, with, uh, with the, with red light therapy.

00:58:10.085 --> 00:58:12.724
So yeah, drop me a DM with a great product idea.

00:58:12.784 --> 00:58:13.625
I would love to hear.

00:58:13.630 --> 00:58:15.454
I get, I get give them them a lot.

00:58:15.454 --> 00:58:18.605
Um, so it's, you know, it's nice, it's good to get this data back.

00:58:19.289 --> 00:58:19.760
cool.

00:58:19.804 --> 00:58:22.954
luma flex.com, that's, that's the, the current product line.

00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.215
There's only two, but I'm hoping, you know, with your help with I ideas.

00:58:27.849 --> 00:58:30.070
Um, I could launch more products before the year's out.

00:58:30.590 --> 00:58:31.929
Let's get some ideas going.

00:58:32.170 --> 00:58:32.900
All right, cool.

00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:35.949
And I hate, I would love to share some ideas too.

00:58:36.019 --> 00:58:37.699
I, they come up all the time.

00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:39.460
Um, cool, man.

00:58:39.849 --> 00:58:41.739
Hey, thanks for coming on to the show.

00:58:41.739 --> 00:58:45.340
I had a blast learning about you, your story, your red light.

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You have awesome energy.

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Let's get stuff going.

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Let's let's, uh, let's make some positive change and help people out.

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Um, again, yeah, thanks for coming on the show, man.

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Thank you.

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Really appreciate it.
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John Graham

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Certified Master Trainer, speaker, and fitness professional with 15 years of extensive experience in the fitness industry, gym management, and fitness technology. Throughout my career, I have specialized in various areas such as sales, promotion, marketing, management, and operations, acquiring a diverse skill set that encompasses all aspects of the fitness business.

Over a decade ago, I established JohnGrahamFitness in Shenzhen, China, rapidly becoming a renowned leader in the fitness industry. At Mission Hills, I was the golf academy director of fitness, working with elite-level tour players and emerging golf stars. I was featured on the Golf Channel through a series of videos on golf fitness. Collaborating with various tech companies, I released my own popular video series on home workouts and boxing tutorials.

As a co-founder, I successfully launched six thriving gyms and provided consulting services to numerous others. Additionally, I co-founded Impakt vSports, a fitness blockchain company revolutionizing the workout experience by gamifying exercise sessions with real-time webcam-based rep counting, interactive gaming, and avatar customization.

I founded WCFN (White Collar Fight Night), an acclaimed boxing event that attracts CEOs, executives, and white-collar professionals to compete in the ring for charitable causes. With 37 events to date, WCFN has garnered widespread sponsorship, media coverage, and inspired countless individuals to embrace fitness and personal challenges. Moreover, WCFN has made a significant impact on underprivileged c… Read More