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I did not jump out of my body all the time.
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To my recollection, the only time that I remember doing it, but at a pretty young age, if you can see spirit guides and you can hear them.
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The word weird starts to get pretty relative, right?
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And when you're talking to people who don't have bodies anymore, but they were on earth at one point, you know, you, things start to be less and less weird
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All right.
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Welcome to the New Age Human podcast.
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I'm your host, Jon Astacio.
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And today we're talking with Jill K Thomas, who's a certified hypnotherapist an intuitive coach and a clairvoyant.
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It's really cool.
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Cause we actually go into some childhood experiences that will blow your mind and leave you wondering, okay, that was weird.
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Um, so yeah, in the episode we do talk about that and we also speak on her experiences as a clairvoyant, like I just said, hint, hint, uh, the concept of parallel lives and tips on shifting into a more prosperity mindset.
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Now, if you're an entrepreneur or aspiring entrepreneur, especially in the metaphysical space, the woo woo zone, you'll appreciate this episode.
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If you do that now, without further ado, let's get to the show.
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welcome to the show.
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I'm excited to have you on.
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Uh, I love the subject matter of hypnotherapy, clairvoyance and all the Claire's.
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But I want to know, um, for the audience.
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I'm sure they're, they're wondering, like, how did you get there as, as, as a clairvoyant or as someone that talks about like hypnotherapy, like what was your, I guess, briefly your journey into that.
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Yeah.
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Well, there's two different journeys.
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The, the psychic stuff, I've always been intuitive.
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Ever since I was a little kid, I had an out of body experience.
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It's not the near death thing.
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Story that you've heard, I'm sure a million times.
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This is when I consciously jumped out of my body because I was having a bad experience, I was in a fight with my parents.
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Right.
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I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to be around these people anymore.
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So peace out, whatever I thought I was going to sign up for.
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I don't want to do it anymore.
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And I remember.
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The spirit guide that I encountered, I said, I can't do this.
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You basically, here's the keys, you know, here's the car.
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I'm turning it back over to the bank.
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I don't want it.
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And he said, you can't do that because your mom would freak out.
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Your brother needs you.
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I'll tell you what spirit actually made a deal with me.
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If you go back in, jump back in, I will make it so that you can see spirit guides and you're going to be able to hear them and you'll be able to see yours and other people's.
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And I'm like, okay.
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And then I'll, then you'll know that you're not alone.
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So ever since I was a little kid, I had seen spirit guides.
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Now being able to see spirit guides and being able to do a good psychic reading are two different things.
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I went to school to learn how to do the second one because Up until then, I was getting a lot of random information, but the person in front of me might want to know about something very specific, like their job.
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And I'm like, Oh, I'm seeing a car.
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I'm seeing you going out to dinner with a girlfriend.
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The spirit is like, no, no, no.
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The guy's like, I want to know about should I be dating Bob or Bill?
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Right?
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That kind of thing.
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Um, now the hypnotherapy actually came later in life.
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When I was in high school, they had a grad night, one of those all night parties and Marshall Silver, who's kind of a famous hypnotherapist or hypnotist.
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I gave a presentation and I watched the most popular kids in school do some batshit crazy things.
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And I was like, I want in.
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That's the matrix.
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I want, I want, it's like, it's like a Jedi mind trick.
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I want to learn that.
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Right.
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And it turns out it's not a Jedi mind trick.
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Anybody can do it.
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But I, that's how I started learning hypnotherapy.
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And way before I was ever certified and could start seeing clients, I was already learning it because I'd read every book and I watch every, every VHS.
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Some of you guys know what I'm talking about with those, right?
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Other people don't know.
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What is that?
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That's not that shiny silvery, this thing.
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No, no, it's not just to let you know, just to let you know, it's not.
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Uh, but yeah, I was, I could have taught that class by the time I actually took it when I was 30, but that's, that's really where I started.
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Wow.
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So, reeling it back, going to, you had an out of body experience, an OBE, and you're probably, did you do that often as a kid?
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And then, it would, did it get just too weird?
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Or, like, what made you get fed up?
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Um, I was having trauma.
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My family was not the most functional.
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I'm sure everybody has heard this story before and I will spare you the details.
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But I jumped out of my body because I was like, I just can't handle these people.
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These people are nuts.
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You know, I'm using child terms, right?
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But a two year old understands the concept of crazy pretty well.
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I will say that I did not jump out of my body all the time.
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That was the, to my recollection, the only time that I remember doing it, but at a pretty young age, if you can see spirit guides and you can hear them.
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The word weird starts to get pretty relative, right?
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Because you, your concept of weird gets changed quite a bit when you're seeing things that other people can't.
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And when you're talking to people who don't have bodies anymore, but they were on earth at one point, you know, you, things start to be less and less weird.
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That makes sense.
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And, were you jumping out of your body, like, Like mid stride or was it when you went to sleep?
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I'm thinking like, you're like, these people are crazy and you're just watching your, your, your family go nuts.
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And then like, you just leave your body.
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Like, like, when do you leave your body?
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Okay.
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I was, uh, I'd had, my father was physically abusive and I was laying in bed after a particularly bad, physically abusive incident when I was physically.
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In pain, bruising, bruises from what had happened and I'm like, I, I know, I said I would do this, but I don't want to, so I, I kind of just spontaneously jumped out and said, you know, here, here you go.
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I don't like it.
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I'm not going to do it.
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But, but really when, when the, the being, and I can't say which one it was.
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Approach me and talk to me about it.
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And he said, it will get better.
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And it did.
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As soon as my brother got a little bit older, he and I are fairly close in age.
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My parents calmed down a bit and it was not as bad, but it was never good.
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That's okay.
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It's not surprising to, um, see people with gifts and extraordinary talents come about those talents and gifts after traumatic experiences.
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It's like the beginning story of every, like, Marvel hero, right?
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Oh, I know, and I can, I, I have a theory on that, and I might be wrong, but my theory is that every child is intuitive, but when you're having to determine if it's safe to walk across a room, you're going to turn that gift on high, full blast and keep it on.
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And unfortunately, that's where the word sensitive comes into play when I hate that word because it's really intuitive, right?
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Persons intuition gets turned up to full blast because they need to understand if they're safe in their environment because when they were a kid, they weren't.
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And unfortunately, later on in life, this can become anxiety because now you're going to the grocery store, and you're feeling, especially around the holidays, oh my god, and you're feeling everybody's anxiety, they're worried about money, oh my gosh, I can't believe how much food costs now, and you're picking up everybody's fertilizer.
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And thinking it's yours.
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And that can be part of what happens.
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I, I, my theory is that that's a big part of what general anxiety disorder is, but I'm not a doctor, so don't take that as medical advice.
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Yeah.
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a human and you've lived a life and you're still living,
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Yes, yes.
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That's the plan.
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Yes.
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For a long time.
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I got.
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I got to fix what I just,
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I'm eating my veggies.
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um, but yeah, it's, it's interesting.
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And I, and I like your perspective and I, I'm pretty sure you're not alone in that.
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Cause.
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I feel the same for you.
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I, my sensitivity turned on when I was around two or three, when my parents divorced.
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And then I went from inner city, New York to the suburbs of Connecticut around four or five.
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So major difference like night and day.
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The culture wise and then like, where's the parents?
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Where am I staying?
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Blah, blah, blah.
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So I, I'm, I'm deaf.
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I definitely feel that you there, but I didn't go through the same experience as you.
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Um, and I did not go out of my body as often as you did, but going back to going out of your body.
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Cause I think that's fascinating.
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Um, what, and I'm sure people are wondering, what do the spirit guys look like?
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How did you identify them?
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Was it.
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A relationship that built over time, trust, like all that.
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What is that?
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What's going on there?
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So, so sometimes when I see a client, sometimes the spirit guide will show themselves to me in a certain way because it's some, it has a meaning to that client.
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So I'll give you an example of something I see a lot.
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Whenever I see a Samoan guide, every once in a while I see.
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Basically rock right up here in front of me.
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It tells me something about that person.
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Typically that person has some Samoan ancestry.
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I almost always see a Samoan guide with a Samoan person with Samoan ancestry somewhere.
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Um, but also it also tells me that they've had a rough life because Samoan guides very much look and present themselves like the rock in a lot of ways.
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Very solid, very powerful.
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And they want the person to feel that warrior energy around them all the time.
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So if somebody's had a rough life, and I see a Simone guide, God, if I see two, I'm like, I'm really sorry, I'm really sorry you had a rough life, but that, that says something to me, but a lot of times, a lot of times they're just colors, a lot of times they're not necessarily male or female, sometimes it's almost androgynous, occasionally it looks like an alien.
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Um, when I see that, it's because the person should know that they have alien ancestry.
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They're from the, maybe they're not from around here, right?
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Yeah, love
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from the Pleiades or from Sirius, but they, sometimes they will present themselves the way they, not necessarily the way they are, but because if I tell the client what I see, it means something to them that's important for them.
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If that makes sense.
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Right.
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And, um, as my coffee kicks in, um, I'm, I'm guessing that you see other people's spirit guides and that's how you communicate and you help bridge that connection.
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Yeah.
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And I, it, I will tell you, and I think most mediums would say the same thing.
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That I have gotten good at turning it off, so that if, unless the person has booked a sacred appointment and I have been given permission, by mere fact the person booked an appointment, they don't really, it's hard to get my attention, unless I have permission, because I'm not going to the grocery store and want to snoop at all these people that are in line, it's not my business, and I don't want to do that, not only that, it's just It's private, everybody's privacy, everybody's entitled their privacy.
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But yeah, I, I do see the guides around and up until I was seven or eight, I didn't realize other people just didn't see this stuff, you know, I'll see spirit guides, occasionally I'll see dead grannies, dead grannies are really actually that not that hard to see, I mean, because they've been dead for a while.
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Right.
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If somebody just died on Thursday, they haven't quite figured out how to like.
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Be real present to the other person as in a, in a way that somebody like me could see.
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Hmm.
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Interesting.
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But a granny's been on the other side for a while.
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She's had some practice.
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Um, so, uh, where do you, did you, so this started when you were younger, did you go into like a, a traditional life career and then say, hey, Move into this, like, can you briefly share that
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Yes.
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I had a, I had a very, very traditional corporate job at some point.
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I was a car insurance agent.
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So I sold, I sold software.
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I worked in the vitamin industry for a long time on the, on the.
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manufacturing side.
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So I would look at products and figure out how to market them to clients or figure out the kinds of things people wanted to buy and we would help create products for that.
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So I had a very, very corporate job and I really think a lot of the next batch of healers are coming from that corporate world, which is why I have a passion for helping people bridge that gap because I think a lot of them.
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Sitting in corporate America in a cubicle right now, I think I can't possibly be an astrologer, even though I do it on the side.
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And I have so much fun with it because I come from Google or, or all state or, you know, something very, very conventional.
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But I, I really got to tell you that is not the case.
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You can absolutely use those corporate marketing skills, those people skills, the fact that you seem normal, right?
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And become, and become anything you want to do, no matter how weird and woo woo it really is.
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Yeah.
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And it does sound like, um, you're describing the waves of people, right?
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You have the pioneers that slept outside, went camping and grew their hair past their elbows.
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And then you have the millennials that have them as grandparents or parents and move getting out of those corporate careers and having this.
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Seeing just a new world collide with the old and wanting nothing.
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With it.
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I'm, I guess, considered an elder millennial.
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Right?
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And so I, I feel you where you're coming from, um, where you have that passion to help people get out of their career and to end into something more fulfilling.
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What, what was there like a trigger point, a day you remember?
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When you left that world and went into world of what you're doing now,
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uh, so I, I didn't just leave that world, I bridged.
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And, and I will tell you, every time, those of you who've gone to a psychic and had the psychic say, Hey, you should start a business doing this yourself.
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Spirit doesn't mean, right now.
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Spirit means, work your way over there, because spirit doesn't want you having to live in your car, okay?
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Take your corporate job money, Get your training, start your business, your side hustle.
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We can all use a side hustle right now.
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I mean, economy is kind of going to be dumpster fire status here pretty quick.
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And, and it is always wise to work your way over there.
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So I didn't just one day leave.
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Uh, at one point I did get laid off.
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I spent a couple of years, uh, trying to find another job.
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I don't know if you guys remember 2007, way back then, there weren't a lot of jobs for people like me in sales.
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So, I was in the state of California.
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As long as you are honest about your earnings, at the time, you were able to keep your business as long as you didn't increase your hours, and you didn't, uh, and you reported every penny, which I did.
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I was completely honest.
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IRS, I was completely honest.
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I really was,
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For the record
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For the record, I really was completely honest.
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But eventually I just gave up trying to find a job.
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And my business was started to really grow after that.
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Cause then I was able to put in the hours.
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I'm like, I'm, I'm not even looking anymore and I'm not collecting unemployment.
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Now I can say I'm working 40 hours a week and start really doing it.
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that's awesome.
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Um, let's get into a cool subject matter that I think would be fascinating.
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Witches past law lives and parallel lives.
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I'm familiar with parallel lives, but.
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Very few times do I hear people talking about it.
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So what are your thoughts on those subjects?
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You know, I started researching parallel lives because I was doing past life regression therapy.
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And I don't know how many times somebody would come, you know, we do a past life.
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Quote, past life and the person would say that they were 15 in, you know, 1995 and I look at the person and I go, okay, wait, this person's age doesn't matter.
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They're not 15 and 19.
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This is a parallel life.
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Right?
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So, and at first I thought this is crazy, right?
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This can't be a thing.
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Because now past lives, now that's a thing, but you start to examine your beliefs and you realize, okay, I believe that a virgin had a kid.
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I believe that I've been a lot of different people over lifetime.
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How is parallel life thinking that that is a thing?
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How is that really that different, right?
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You realize that, okay, if my soul can reincarnate over and over again, why can't it reincarnate into five different versions of me at the same time?
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Um, so parallel lives is really.
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The idea that, that everybody, and I would say every person I've seen in my office has had five or six of these, at least, probably more, but that's usually what comes up when we're, when we're doing the regression, uh, you might be a 13 year old boy in, in, in Arkansas.