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Have you ever felt like you're working harder than ever, but life still feels out of balance?
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What if unlocking true success meant overcoming your own limiting beliefs and transforming your lifestyle?
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Today, we're talking with Liam Naden, a neuroscience and psychology expert who has helped countless people achieve personal and professional breakthroughs.
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Together, we'll explore how to unlock your brain's full potential, create lasting balance and thrive in both life and business.
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You're listening to the new age human podcast, where we dive into metaphysical insights and practical tools to help you unlock your potential and thrive in a changing world.
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I'm Jon Anastasio.
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And as a serial entrepreneur, since 2006, I've had to overcome my own inner struggles and limiting beliefs to where today I'm building a top 10 podcast, highlighting the Thought leaders worldwide and a growing business using immersive meditation and lifestyle changes to help professionals like you manage uncertainty and navigate a divided world so you can thrive in the new age.
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Now, if you're interested in learning about how to overcome limiting beliefs and transform your life style, stay tuned for today's episode.
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Liam, welcome to the show.
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Thanks for coming on, man.
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Thanks, Jonathan.
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Thanks for having me.
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A pleasure, my friend.
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A pleasure.
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You, you offer a wealth of knowledge, especially with Neuroscience like that's very like brain associated, very cerebral and then connecting that with spirituality.
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This should be an interesting show today.
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Um, but before we get into all the things that you do, I think a lot of us would like to know why and why not.
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Where did that, like, why, why this, why, why are you doing this now?
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What, what, what is, what's, what was your calling?
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And maybe hopefully we learn about your calling.
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We can spark some other people's callings as well.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's a great question because, um, how do we end up doing the things we do in our life?
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But I guess for me, it was a few years ago now.
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And I remember I was sitting in my home office and I'd created this wonderful life.
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Really?
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I was a multimillionaire.
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Finish building a new new home in the countryside view of the mountains and things were going well in my life, you know, I had plenty of money.
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I had the freedom had nice stuff.
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I had the freedom to travel.
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But instead of I remember this moment and I was sitting, I just gone into the office in the morning.
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And I was sitting there, and instead of feeling great, instead of saying my life is amazing, I felt absolutely terrible.
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I was just at breaking point.
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And I just had an argument with my wife, you know, and I opened my email, and I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was just more stuff coming at me.
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Problems.
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The businesses weren't going too well.
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They were going through a bit of a tough time.
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I had multiple businesses that I owned at the time that I managed from home.
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My marriage was going very badly, but I just remember thinking, you know, this isn't what I signed up for.
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I've really worked all my life.
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getting out there, setting goals, really working hard and really studying how to be successful with, you know, visualizing and, and really being motivated to do everything.
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And I should be happy.
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I should be really grateful for everything I've got.
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And the other thing is, um, I shouldn't have all the stress and problems, but it's just like everything was weighing down on me.
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And a few things were, I was going through my mind.
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This is awful.
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This isn't this is horrible.
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You know, I didn't.
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Is this what my life's really about?
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And I remember having this thought, I can't take it anymore.
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And I thought, you know, really don't know if it's a voice or just I came up with this idea that I want to just get rid of all this.
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I want to throw all of this away.
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It's just not worth the effort anymore.
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There's too much stress.
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There's too much struggle.
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And even the good things that I should be able to enjoy, the things I've worked for, really nice home, all these things.
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I'm not enjoying them because it's just too many problems, too much stress.
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And I don't feel in control.
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I don't know how to tie it all together and make it all work.
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So anyway, and I thought, you know, I would really rather, I'd be quite happy to get rid of all of this as long as I don't lose my soul, because there's a voice in me that said, you know, what would you rather do, would you rather.
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lose everything or lose your soul because it almost felt like I would have to lose everything to get my soul back.
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My soul wasn't, was no longer in me.
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Now, the funny thing was, you have to be a bit careful what you think and what you wish for because it was literally weeks later.
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But I did lose everything.
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It all collapsed in one big heap.
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You know, my marriage went all of the, my home, my businesses, they literally all just collapsed not overnight, but within a few, a few weeks.
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That's just a short period of time.
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Jeez.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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It really just collapsed all at once.
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And I ended up having to move out and with literally nothing more than a few clothes on my back and move in with my elderly mother.
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And sleep on the sofa and in the living room of her small apartment.
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Now I was in my forties and she was in her seventies.
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She used to go out to work just to pay for food to get for me, because I had nothing, I had no, absolutely nothing and no prospects and no idea how to, how to get out of the mess that I'd created.
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But you know, a funny thing sort of happened with all of that, because after that experience.
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I rebuilt my life and things started to come together in quite a different way.
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And so I rebuilt my wealth again, I started to set up new businesses.
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And I started, and I found a new relationship, or should I say, a new relationship seemed to find me.
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I found this amazing person for a romantic relationship.
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And then I started to do all these crazy things, like travel around the world on my own yacht, which I did for eight years.
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So I was actually living this lifestyle where I could manage my businesses anywhere in the world from my yacht.
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I was in a great relationship.
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I was traveling to really exciting places.
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And I remember thinking, how has this happened?
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Because one of the things that didn't, that wasn't there was the stress and the problems.
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And I thought, this is really great.
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I'm, I'm feeling, you know, what, what happened to this idea that to be successful in life, you have to put up with problems and stress and, and, and lots of things going wrong.
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Because what I noticed when I started to rebuild my life in this process was that things were happening in quite a different sort of way.
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So I'd meet people out of the blue who incidentally, who turned out to be really helpful, right?
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Or this business opportunity would show up or.
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You know, and we'd think of them as like coincidence or luck or synchronicity, but it was like they were too frequent.
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It was like this was something more to it than luck.
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And I said to myself.
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I want to figure out what's different, because now I'm really living and feeling like I'm living my life purpose.
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And most importantly, the thing I'd really found was balance.
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You know, I found a great relationship, great income, great businesses that I love to work on, great lifestyle.
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For me, it was travel.
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For me, you know, sailing and um, And doing other things as well.
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So I thought, how has all this come together?
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How have I managed to create this life balance where I don't feel that I'm sacrificing one area of my life to achieve in another area, and I'm not feeling it's like a juggling act and I'm overwhelmed with stress and problems.
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So really what I did was I went on a mission for myself.
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To figure out what was going on.
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Because there was something very different going on.
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And I'm not talking about some sort of spiritual stuff.
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Because it didn't quite feel like that.
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But it also was something more than just my own effort.
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You know, I wasn't getting visions or, you know, angels weren't appearing to me.
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But I knew that something else was in control of my life, something else was running it.
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So I went on a mission to figure out what that actually was.
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Because for a start, I didn't want to mess it up.
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I wanted to make sure that whatever I was doing, and I was doing something differently, I wanted to make sure that I kept doing it.
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And it sounds like
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if I were to cut you off, it sounds like the word that comes to my mind right now was, and is synchronicity.
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Because before, when you were, when you had that, a lot, an abundance of material success and then things were not aligned, it doesn't sound like you ran into a lot of synchronicity at that point of your life.
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A lot of it was you doing all, a lot of the, the grunt work, right?
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And then, now, when you, Lost it and you're coming now into a different direction Yeah, like dominoes.
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It sounds too good to be true, right?
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And like you said, it sounds like felt
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like when you're
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when you're in your passion things just fall into place Which is like very freaky and the word I use the because I know myself I can just say you know What this is too good to be true And if you're like me and you watched a lot of movies growing up You Whenever things are like hunky dory, that's like the beginning of the movie and you're like, this is the everybody's too nice The husband and wife are too good for each other something bad is gonna happen It's like that that that just there's something in your throat that it just feels wrong And I feel like the word synchronicity helps me Accept it.
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I'm like, alright, let's just blow with it.
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So I like how you were like, let's let's flow with it And let's continue with it.
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And I think that's what makes separates you from a lot of people because a lot of people don't feel comfortable with everything falling into place because it feels too good to be true.
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Well, what I discovered was you're absolutely right.
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It is about synchronicity.
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Well, that's one way of one way we would describe it.
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But here's the thing.
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Yes, I had a bit of synchronicity in my old life, the stressed life.
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But this was this was more than synchronicity.
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Because I think the problem is when we think of synchronicity, we think it's something outside of our control.
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And we think, well, you know, maybe good things might happen occasionally or once in a while and you're sort of hoping things, things will happen.
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But that's not actually really what I discovered.
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That's not actually how it works.
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This thing we call synchronicity actually has a biological foundation.
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It's, it's, it's tied up with the way nature or way life is actually structured to be.
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And we just think of, think of it as synchronicity.
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And it hardly ever happens for most of us because we don't understand the process of how we create synchronicity in our life.
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And that's what I went on a mission to discover because I thought, you know, I mean, I've done all of the meditation and the visualization and the changing the beliefs and being positive thinker and goal setting and, you know, visualization boards and the law of attraction.
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And.
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All of these, um, spiritual and, and psychological and self help methods, if you like.
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But the problem I found with all of those was that didn't really take me to this point of things flowing, because it was about being in the flow, but things showing up on a regular basis.
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What they really did was keep me in the state of anticipation and stress and trying to make things happen.
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Interesting.
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So I want, I wanted to understand there's, there's got to be.
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Something scientific about the way synchronicity works.
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There has to be something practical that I'm doing.
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That's creating these opportunities in this, this way of living in my life.
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I can't think it's just this idea of just letting go and allowing it to happen.
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Because the, one of the problems with that idea is that we never do it because we don't, we, you know, so we say, yes, just let go and allow it to happen.
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It's hard to let go.
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Well, it's only hard because we don't understand what it actually is.
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We don't know.
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We just think this is a, that it's a question of faith, you know, Oh, just, you know, let go and everything will work out, but that we'd have no certainty about that.
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So it makes us feel stressed.
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So that's why it never works.
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So I wanted to find out the, that had to be a physical biological component to why I was getting such different results.
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And really, when I started to uncover this, what I found was.
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It was incredibly simple.
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It was, and it was so obvious.
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that I wondered why I'd never seen it before.
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But because it's so simple and because it's so obvious, I think they're the very reasons why we don't see it.
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Why most people, why I hadn't seen it before, because it's like, no, life's difficult.
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Life's hard.
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You have to work on it.
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You have to struggle.
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You have to, you know, overcome challenges.
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You have to expect to work hard and to, to struggle.
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So when you expect that you're not looking at another place where the obvious is showing itself to you.
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Because even if you look in the natural world, you know, we're not very good at this as humans.
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We're too busy in our thoughts, trying to figure stuff out on our computers, working on our business, working on our relationship, working on our health, trying to get some more information about.
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The next best thing we need to do to improve ourselves.
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You mentioned earlier about coffee and water and you know, you can, I'm sure you can read, you can spend your life reading books about why coffee is bad or why it's good and what sort of water you need to drink and all that sort of thing.
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But we miss the obvious, which is if you just stop and look around, there's a natural harmony and natural order to everything.
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That's not based on trying to figure stuff out.
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I mean, even our body.
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99.
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999 percent of the things that happen in our body, we have no concept about, we're not thinking about, we're not aware of.
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But it all just happens perfectly.
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You know, our heart keeps beating.
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We keep breathing and all the Trillions of processes that are happening inside our body every second.
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We're not paying any attention to that, but that's reality That's what's going on.
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It's far more real than what's going on in our thoughts trying to figure stuff out So that's where I really started was thinking I need to look Where it led me if you like was to look in the natural world.
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How do things work and operate naturally?
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You That's the place to start to figure out, if you like, how to create a natural life, which is really what it is.
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I mean, synchronicity and things flowing and good things happening.
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That's the way of nature.
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It's not struggle.
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And a lot of, um, the success we had with, we have with our inventions is a reflection and our, uh, A attempt to mimic nature, right?
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Like the helicopters, I, from what I heard is us attempting to mimic a dragon fly.
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It's not going to be as good because, uh, we didn't create the dragon fly, but as we learn more and more about it, we get more and more amazing understanding of how we can mimic or work with it.
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So I like the direction that you're going with going, going to nature and understanding, um, getting answers from that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's, um, what you're referring to.
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It's a, there's a whole body of research called biomimicry where they literally look at the natural world and, and see what, as you say, what works to apply it to maybe something we can use from a technological point of view, such as the movement of birds or, you know, whatever it might be.
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Very interesting.
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So your, your journey into figuring out like how to, you, you, you've been, On that journey of harnessing the, I guess the laws of nature when it comes to synchronicity and a word that popped up as you're talking about that journey.
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I'll let you continue, but I want to just highlight the word certainty.
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And I feel a lot of people hold themselves back because they need a high level of certainty before they move forward.
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So I'm curious how you worked with that on your journey of figuring out how to take advantage and I guess take ownership of that world of making things happen so it flows.
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So please continue with.
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Your journey into figuring out like what exactly did you figure out to get into that flow state to, to, to flow, so to speak.
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Well, you're right in using that word certainty because it is based on certainty.
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I didn't want to do any of more of the stuff where it was based on faith, you know, or maybe, you know, you have to believe this.
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And if you don't believe it, if it doesn't make any sense to you, well, then you're the problem.
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But you, but this is the truth and you have to believe it.
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And, and that works for some
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people for sure.
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I know for some people that work majority on faith, but as you said, it doesn't work for everybody.
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Well actually I don't think it works for anybody because the distinction I'm making, what is faith?
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Faith is certainty.
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Or, or it's, if faith is certainty, then it's not really faith.
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It's understanding.
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So do you have faith that, um, your heart's going to keep beating?
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You don't have faith.
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You have certainty.
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You know it's going to.
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But unfortunately, most people, what, the way they, They don't really have faith.
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It's hope.
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They hope things are going to work out, and they say, I believe, but they don't really.
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So where I wanted to go was not based on uncertainty.
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I wanted to stick with some facts.
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I wanted to make sure, because I knew I was getting results this way, and I knew the results I'd previously got.
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So I to know, on a factual basis, on a knowing certainty basis, The truth about this, about what's going on.
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And so I thought, well, what can I know for certain about the natural world, the biological world about who, about who I am and how I'm structured and how I'm operating.
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And the first thing I discovered that we know for certain is that we live in a biological world.
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We live in a biological body and we're all wired and designed like every other biological animal or creature to live.
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And we're governed by the laws of nature.
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I mean, we're governed by things like gravity, you know, you can have all the fancy ideas in the world, but if you walk out a 10 story building, you're going to fall down.
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It doesn't matter if you believe or hope or have faith that you might fly in the air, you're not going to.
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So I know that for certain we're all governed by the laws of nature.
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The other thing I know about nature for certain is that all of life is primarily wired for one thing.
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It's all designed to achieve one primary goal.
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Whether it be a one cell organism or a microbe to, you know, human beings.
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Everything biological is wired for one primary purpose, and that is to survive.
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To ensure that it survives.
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And the way that it ensures it survives, or what gives it the best chance for survival, is being the best that it can be.
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So all of nature is designed, this is a certainty, to strive to be the best that it can be so that it has the greatest chance for survival.
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And there are many scientists who've talked about this, biological scientists, and come to that conclusion that that is the purpose of all life, is to survive for as long as it can, and in the best way possible, by being the best that it can be, because of course that is what gives the species the greatest chance of survival.
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for survival as well.
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So knowing that I knew that well, that's for certain.
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The next thing I knew for certain is that part of human survival, part of being the best that we can be is being happy because part of being our best isn't just physically being our best.