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Sept. 12, 2023

Real Stories of Unearthly Experiences with hosts of The Skeptic Metaphyiscians Podcast| Part 1

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In part 1 of this 2 part series episode, I sit down with Karen and Will to delve into their remarkable journeys. From their roots in the corporate world and the culinary arts, we navigate their profound experiences in the metaphysical realm. We chat about everything from friendly ghosts to transformative personal realizations, bridging the gap between the tangible and the spiritual. By tuning in, you'll not only hear their fascinating stories but also gain insights to empower your own spiritual and entrepreneurial journey. Join us as we uncover how these conscious creators embrace their curiosity and share their enlightening tales.

Key Takeaways
Affirmation in the Paranormal
[00:06:30]: Karen shares the significance of people having metaphysical experiences and the relief many feel in realizing they're not alone or 'crazy'. The podcast serves as a platform for such affirmations.

Diverse Encounters with the Unknown
[00:08:54 - 00:09:10]: The duo delves into personal encounters with the paranormal. While Karen had direct experiences with supernatural entities, Will's journey focused more on the concept of oneness and deeper self-understanding.

Life-Saving Ghost
[00:14:34]: Karen shares an intimate experience about a friendly ghost that she believes saved her life. This unseen presence has been with her, providing a sense of protection and connection.

Connect with Will and Karen:
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/

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so many people have these experiences and they just don't feel comfortable talking about them.

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We get reviews, um, time and time again saying, you know, thank you for helping me feel normal.

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Karen's had more of a direct contact with, the paranormal, whereas mine has been more.

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about oneness and, depths of who we are, I know for a fact that it's all real.

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Because of not just the conversations that we've had, but because of the conversations and the experiences that we've had to the show, there's so much more out there than we have any idea.

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all right.

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Welcome to the new h1 podcast Let me host John Astacio today's guests are The hosts of the skeptic metaphysicians podcast.

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It's pretty cool because their subject matter is similar to this, where it's enlightenment, expanded consciousness, and everything in between, This is a two part series, so we go into how they overcame their personal struggles from health.

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And just pretty much stress from your typical mainstream lifestyle to how they share their personal stories from ghosts, bigfoot, quantum leaping, you name it.

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And then the more important thing is the power of community and as what we're building here is something powerful and strong you're going to get first hand experience as far as someone's story on how community has been able to change lives.

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Let's get to the show.

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Thanks for coming on the show guys.

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This is awesome.

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How's it going?

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It's going great.

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We're, we're stoked.

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Uh, already our conversation before we started recording was fun.

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So I'm looking forward to seeing what, what comes out.

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Yeah, I was like, let's, let's go over the questions beforehand.

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So there's no surprises and maybe you can kind of mull it over while we're talking and, um, your reactions were pretty funny.

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You're like, don't, don't steal my idea.

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Cause it's, I have this idea.

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Karen's like,

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I got a lot.

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She takes my ideas all the time.

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What?

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No! She's a thief.

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An idea thief.

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I get it.

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That's funny.

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I scanned his brain.

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What did you say?

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What did you say?

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I said

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I scanned

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his brain.

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Hey, you know what?

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We have, uh, people I wouldn't be surprised with the amount of people that I've spoken to.

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I'm sure you guys We got brain readers.

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We got people speaking to the ghosts of the past.

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It gets I'm not I'm not surprised anymore at all at all.

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Um, but I definitely I appreciate you guys coming on.

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I think we're gonna have some really cool conversations.

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I want to give the audience an idea of what it What it's like to be on the other side of the mic when you're talking to people that have these abnormally amazing, uh, like, concepts that they know about, and we're just asking those questions, and we're going through our own discovery and our own journey, so let's start off by getting it To getting an idea of what got you guys in starting a podcast to begin with, because you guys have completely different backgrounds.

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Uh, I mean, well, it looks like you have more of a corporate background and like media and Karen, you're like.

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Uh, the host of, uh, a cooking, cooking from the heart show, right?

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Like you guys, you have a cooking background, you have media background, like what's going on?

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What, why this?

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Why metaphysicians?

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I can't even say the word correct.

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It's a tough one.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, he's got me feeding his belly.

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You just need to feel, feed his soul.

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Oh,

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I like that.

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Okay.

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Every once in a while.

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All right.

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Uh, I think the, the easy answer is just because we're just like everybody else.

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Uh, the, the biggest thing about.

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Our journey of discovery is we are thoroughly enjoying helping people to understand that they're not different.

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They're not crazy.

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They're not going crazy.

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Um, you don't have to be or have a background in spirituality or metaphysics to be into this kind of stuff.

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More and more people are waking up from a deep, deep slumber and Uh, we just want to put this stuff out there in a, in a way so that anyone, everyone can really wrap their heads around it because Uh, it's, it's coming, boy, it's coming.

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Uh, if you think you can still keep your, uh, the head under that pillow for much longer, then you're in for a rude awakening because we are, we are shifting fast.

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Well, and we're finding so many people are curious and we aren't experts on anything other than asking questions that we're curious about.

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And you know, luckily enough, they tend to relate with the questions other people have as well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think in the industries that we are, they're high stress industries during COVID like everybody else, I had a breakdown and I looked myself in the mirror and it did not like who I saw.

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And because of that, I started doing a deep dive into who I really am and who I wanted to be.

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And this show, this exploration has helped me, like the show, it's great that we're helping other people to get a handle on some of this stuff, but really, we do it for us.

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We're super selfish, right?

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We do, we're, we're very self serving.

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We do this so that we can learn, so we can find the truth inside of ourselves.

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So that we can get a grip and as a byproduct people come along for the ride and they're learning along with us and that's the fun part is that we're all learning together.

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And one of the things that that means so much to both of us is that.

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Everyone has, well not everyone, but so many people have these experiences and they just don't feel comfortable talking about them.

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They don't know who to talk to them with.

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They're going to think they're crazy.

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So we get reviews, um, time and time again saying, you know, thank you for helping me feel normal.

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And that's, that's kind of what all of this is about.

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Normalizing it all.

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That's big.

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Just putting that out there for everyone.

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And that's what fills our hearts.

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Wow.

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Well, I want to put a pause real quick.

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Um, Pam, I noticed, Will, your mic is muted.

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Did you do that on purpose?

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So

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we are both coming into a, uh, through a Rodecaster into one computer line.

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So if I unmuted my mic, you wouldn't hear this, it wouldn't sound as good.

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So that's what I did.

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And then you'd hear me on that

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mic too, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you're good.

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I just want to make sure that you guys, it looked like you guys.

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Did it on purpose, but I just wanted to like not go through the entire episode and be like, Oh, we missed out on so much.

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We're in the same room.

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I hear you.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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I should have mentioned that to you.

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Yeah.

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We are in the same room.

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So if, if we, if we didn't go through the mixer, we would have a mess.

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And the cool thing is you guys have a nice setup going on too.

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You're in the same room, but it doesn't even look like you're in the same room.

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And if anybody's watching.

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You have like sparkles in the background.

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You guys are in space.

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That's literally what it looks like.

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You guys are in a spaceship.

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So it totally goes with the flow.

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We've been, we've been accused of being from outer space many times.

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So that fits within the motif, I guess.

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Weird.

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Well, I was hoping that I had solidarity in this one, Karen, but I guess not.

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I mean, it was to a certain point.

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Well, not new, not new, baby.

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That's all I can say.

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So people

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have said that you're in space as in like, uh, Your thoughts or like just your concepts like like we're

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from outer space like what the heck you guys are crazy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah and I like how you said people felt like they were normal again because growing up and I'm not sure if you've had personal experiences with the paranormal or the metaphysical things in nature, but I have and There's not too many people to talk to about this.

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Have you guys had any like experiences when you were growing up and you were just like, you held on to that for a while?

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You go first.

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We're still holding on.

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I just, I talk, I tell everybody everything.

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Yeah, the short answer is yes.

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We've, we've both experienced different things.

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Um, Karen's been.

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She's had more of a direct contact with, I guess the paranormal, I guess is the way to say it.

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Uh, to talk about it.

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Like ghosts and stuff?

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Whereas mine has been more.

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Um, about oneness and, uh, depths of who we are, uh, in a very different way.

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And it's probably because I'm blocking myself from allowing myself to see those kinds of paranormal stuff, whereas Karen's a lot more open to these kinds of experiences.

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Mm.

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And would you say like, um, in doing this show has opened you up a little bit more to experience more things?

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Well,

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I'm a...

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Different person.

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Completely different person.

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Totally different.

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Yeah, we've been doing this show for a little bit over two years and I don't.

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Recognize myself anymore.

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And that's a good thing.

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I was not somebody, someone you want to go back

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back then.

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You were not that bad.

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I would not have married you if you're this bad.

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I was just really good at pulling wool over people's eyes.

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That's all it was.

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Maybe,

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but geez, you make me look like a doormat.

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Well, no, not at all.

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Not at all.

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I was just, I'm much more of a pragmatist.

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I need to feel it, touch it, taste it.

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I need the proof.

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I need to know for sure it exists before I can use it.

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Go along with something because I just don't want to be seen as that naive guy that just accepts things and because of it, um, I've missed out on a lot of opportunities.

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Yeah, and it's nice though, because we can, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but we can come at a question from two different angles, you know, where we'll be like, well, how did you know, you know, that happened to the temperature of the room change?

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Were you drinking?

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What was going on?

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Whereas I'm like, Ooh, how did that feel?

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You know, what did they say?

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And it's just two different types of questions.

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So hopefully we get most of the questions that people would have out there answered coming from those two different

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points of view.

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Yeah, you know what?

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That's actually pretty good to highlight that you guys ground each other.

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Well, Will grounds you, Karen, right?

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Probably, yeah.

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It's funny, my wife...

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I'm gonna try to push him.

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Right, yeah, push each other's boundaries.

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That's all, that's what it's all about.

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My wife grounds me, but then I ground her in different aspects of...

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Just thinking outside the box or just day to day stuff.

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So it's cool to see that dynamic and that being a healthy dynamic, just like in the X Files, Mulder and Scully.

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Now I know who's Mulder and who's Scully.

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Will, you're Scully.

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You're hot.

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Guilty.

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Guilty as charged.

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He cares.

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Yes, but just like in the show, just like in The Exiles, where eventually Scully does tend to kind of come to the middle at some point, I'm definitely way beyond the middle.

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I don't have any questions anymore about whether this stuff is real or not.

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I don't.

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I know for a fact that it's all real.

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Because of not just the conversations that we've had, but because of the conversations and the experiences that we've had to the show, it's opened us up to other experiences that will have opened up our eyes to the fact that, wow, there's so much more out there than we have any idea.

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And we're just like, literally just scratching the little bit of an ice cube on top of an iceberg.

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It is ridiculous how much we don't know.

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And the fact is, we're never going to know it all.

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But you're still somewhat skeptical, you know, and you want to know about the quantum mechanics behind it all.

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And he still does ask those questions for the people that really want that side of it as

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well.

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Yeah, I do.

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I, I, quantum physics allowed me to wrap my head around stuff.

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It allowed me to open up my thought process and accept that maybe there's stuff here that I can't explain other than.

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Spooky magic, right?

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Spooky, uh, music, whatever, however Albert Einstein said, I forgot, uh, uh, forgot the, how you said, I can, I can, I can usually remember that quote, but I can't right now.

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But anyway, um, quantum physics helps a lot with people with my mindset.

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So now it's opened up everything to me.

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And because I've opened myself up to the possibility Now, the possibilities are presenting themselves to me

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now, whether or not he's choosing to recognize them, that's left to be answered.

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Missy, it

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sounds like someone calling the kettle black here.

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I am actually on the same page as you with the quantum physics side of things.

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And a lot of what I've come to understand and learn about the quantum physics side came from my journey started with what the bleep do we know?

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Have you heard of that?

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I do.

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I love that series.

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Yes.

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That's very well.

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Yes.

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And then, um, maybe not so much.

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David Wilcock and his wisdom teachings on Gaia TV.

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30 minutes, uh, I think it was like eight episodes per season and 27 seasons.

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It was just.

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A download.

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Just too much.

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Yeah, a download.

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But it's basically his books.

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If you read his books, you're pretty much good to go.

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He just put pictures behind the books.

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But I definitely want to get into some experiences that you guys...

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Had personally that you're willing to share,

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you go for time care.

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Okay.

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Well, we have talked on our show before about this really friendly ghost that I have that is with me, and I believe she literally saved my life.

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Um, and then kind of has stayed around me for a while after that, um, I saw the lifesaving thing.

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I was in a situation where I was home.

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Sleeping one night and I woke up and there was a man in my bedroom and he had a knife and I, I, I'm from Florida.

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I can sleep through hurricanes and he had come in and was turning the TV off in my room.

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So just pushing that button woke me up, which is that should not have happened.

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So.

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Long story short, I got away and the next day or a couple of days later, I went to a library because I wanted to know I had had a dream and the dream was just very strong in my mind.

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And I wanted to know if it meant anything.

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Now, the dream that I had was that I was, um, talking, I was in an old house and I was speaking with a ghost and we were communicating.

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I would ask her questions and she would answer by knocking on the ceiling or something.

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And I wasn't afraid at all, but we found out, or I found out through the course of the dream that what she wanted me to do was what she wanted me to do.

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Sounds weird, find her head and put it with her body so that she could go to heaven.

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And that's when I woke up and that's when this guy was in my room and all this stuff.

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So I'm looking at this dream and I'm finding out, you know, that if you're communicating, if you're dreaming that you're with a ghost and you're not afraid, it's a warning.

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And then later, um, doing some research, I found out that in some areas when women were believed to be witches, they were killed and they were beheaded and their head was separated from their body because they, they believed that they couldn't go to heaven if their head was there.

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So that was like, I had no idea about any of that before.

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So I think, um, she has been very thankful for me and for, for doing that and just kind of stayed around and she's done all kinds of things.

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Um, I mistakenly, I named her Lila.

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And she was in the house that I lived in when Will and I met, and she helped me find things and, you know, every once in a while you have to say hello to Lila, otherwise things would pop off shelves, you know, just to acknowledge that she was there.

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No joke, I

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saw it.

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I was there.

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I never felt afraid.

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Um, I always, when I go into, or moved into an older home, and it's happened a couple times since, I say, okay, ghost, if you're there, you are welcome to stay, just don't freak me out and be evil.

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If that's the case, you have to go, but if you're nice and just, you know, hanging out here, you're welcome to stay.

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So I'd have this conversation with Lila.

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Well, we were back in that house.

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We own it as a rental property now.

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And, um, recently, and we were fixing something off.

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I was like, trying to scrape paint off windows.

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And I'm sitting there literally with my thumbnails, scraping this paint off.

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And it hits me.

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Her name's not Lila.

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It's Beulah.

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Now, Beulah was one of the owners of the house.

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Um, it's only been owned by women and she was, I think was the second or third owner on there.

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And I'm like, Oh, I just, I think before when I came up with Lila, I wasn't as open.

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And the minute I'm like, Oh, it's Beulah.

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I looked down and I kid you not three feet, Rob, maybe two feet from me on that window ledge.

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There's a razor blade scraper.

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So I just, you know, thank you.

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Beulah who's scraped up and it wasn't there.

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I mean, I had been there scraping it with my thumbnails and I had.

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You know, I would have seen it.

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Um, so yeah, so she's still there and she's still helping me and just my friendly ghost.

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So, I love Beulah.

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So,

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do the tenants know?

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No, I

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think she tends to stick with me.

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Oh, okay, okay, okay.

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So, I think she went back with us and then I think she kind of stays

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around me.

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And I think the school journal laws are just about people getting killed and we have no idea whether Beulah died there because she was killed or whether, so we just keep it to ourselves.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Got

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it, yeah.

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I mean, it's a hundred year old house.

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Yeah.

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100 year old house doesn't have a ghost or two flying around.

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Right.

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That's freaky, man, having a dream and then a shadowy figure being in your room and that's just nuts.

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So it was the dream and then the shadowy figure was...

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Upon waking, like actually there, well it

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was, yeah, there was a guy in there with, you know, stuff to tie me up and like all this stuff and, and I got out and got away.

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But she would do things.

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Wait, so did I, did I totally miss that?

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Like you were about to get kidnapped and tied up by a real flesh person in a room?

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Yes.

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And.

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Wow, I'm so slow.

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Anybody listening are going to be like, catch up, John.

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I'm in La La Land.

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I'm just, I'm like, wow.

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Ghosts.

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Cool.

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You're like, no, I almost like got kidnapped.

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That's nuts.

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That's crazy.

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Sorry for the delayed reaction.

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No, I'm glad that, uh, you got the warning shot.

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Wow.

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And

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she would do little things like I had, I was a teacher at the time and I had this pen that a student had given to me for Christmas.

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So like all nice things, I lost it.

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And.

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Months go by, and then I get up one morning, and I go to get dressed, and there on my dresser is the pen, but it's taken apart, and it's lined up in a straight line.

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So little things like that, and I lived alone, I had a dog, but the dog didn't have thumbs.

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It would have been really hard to unscrew the pen.

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But yeah, little things like that would happen, you know, not infrequently.

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That's freaky.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So, Will.

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But she was good, so so.

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Well, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a positive thing, right?

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To, to have your experience, have it.

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A continual positive experience and more of like, not a haunting, more of like, you hear more of the hauntings because it's just more sensational and less like, Oh, it's, you know, it's Casper.

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It's my friend, but it's a female that lost her head, which is nuts.

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Well, actually, no, no, she didn't lose her head.

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It was just the dream.

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I'm getting all kinds of mixed up, but that's crazy.

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I mean, you never know.

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Yeah.

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Shoot.

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Okay.

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Well, what is your, uh, what is your experience?

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Okay.

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Well, I've been debating all this time, which story to share with you.

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And I think most of the people that have heard my butterfly story, you want to hear my butterfly story, reach out to me.

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I'm happy to send you the audio file of my butterfly story, but something more recent happened that I think I haven't talked about a lot.

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So I'll go ahead and share that.

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I'm traveling a lot for work these days.

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When I fly, I have this.

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Habit of always checking.

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I, I have the online app and I open up the app and I double check to make sure I'm checked in on the airline and the seat that I'm in and all kind of thing.

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I check it before I go to bed the night before.

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I did that this time around.

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The next morning, uh, as I'm getting ready to check out of the hotel, I do it again.

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And sure enough, I see I'm in seat 20D in this particular instance.

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So everything's all cool.

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I go into the airport.

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I go through security.

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Of course, you have to go and, uh, and give them your boarding pass.

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And as I'm pulling out my phone to scan my boarding pass, I see again, I'm in seat 20D.

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Again, when I go into the gate, they call our, uh, section or whatever.

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And I go and I scan the boarding pass on this pad thing.

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I look at it again to make sure, yep, it's still 20D.

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And even as I'm about to get onto the plane, I do one last check because I'm that.

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Obsessive convulsive disorder guy.

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Right?

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So I check it, make sure it's 20 D.

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Yeah, sure enough.

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20 D And I put the phone in my pocket at that point.

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So I go down the aisle, the air, the airplane.

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I sit down and I lo, I locate 20 D I'm very excited.

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'cause there's a, there's someone sitting on the window.

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No one in the aisles.

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I mean, not in the aisle, in the, uh, in the middle seat.

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I happen to ha be sitting in the aisle.

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So I'm excited because maybe I'll have some leg room.

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Who knows?

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I sit in 20D and I'm excited.

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I'm just sitting here.

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I pick up my book and I'll start reading it.

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And this lady comes down and stops next to me and goes, I'm sorry, sir.

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You're in my seat.

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I was like, well, I'm, you, I'm sorry.

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You must be mistaken.

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I'm in 20D.

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And she goes, no, I'm, I'm in 20D.

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Uh, I said, you, you must be meaning 20.

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Was it E, right?

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I assume she meant the middle seat because I knew, I looked at my phone, I was on 20D, I looked at it several times, I knew for a fact, and I pulled my phone up to show her that I indeed was sitting in seat 20D, and as I'm looking at it, in a split second, it was 20D and in a split second, just like that, it switched to 20C, like it was so fast that it could have been a complete trick of my mind.

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I could have been like mistaken, but I checked, John, I checked this app 15, 000 times before and just before I got on the plane, it was 20D.

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I looked at the phone incredulously and the flight attendant had to knock me out of my senses because he's like, sir, you're obviously in 20C.

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Can you move over?

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It's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

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I could have sworn, nevermind.

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So I grab my stuff and I go to sit in 20C.

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Completely floored, like what the hell just happened?

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And then, it hit me.

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We are all living in our own realities that we are constantly shifting from reality to reality.

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We are just so blind to these kinds of shifts that happen to us all the time that we don't notice it.

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But it just so happened that my OCD forced me to see it in action, in the moment.

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You heard of the Mandela effect, right?

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This is a perfect example of the Mandela.

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I swear, John, it was 20D and in front of my eyes, the thing shifted to 20C as I'm looking at it.

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So for some reason, this lady was supposed to sit in 20D next to her husband, I guess, and maybe that's why the universe shifted me over.

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I don't really know why, but I was so floored and I never.

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Pull my laptop out of my, on the airplane, but I had to write the storm down so that I wouldn't forget.

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'cause I have a theory that this happens to us all the time, and our subconscious minds just rush it over and we forget about it in the in, in a second.

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So I wanted to make sure I did not forget it.

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So I wrote everything down and I am convinced 100% that I witnessed reality shifting in the middle of an airplane as I was watching it.

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Did you drink anything before getting on?

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I

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asked him.

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Hey, that's

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my question.

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I was just calling.

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I Had a little

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extra nips in the back pocket?

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He would never get a middle seat.

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No, it's, it's, it's, uh, I'm, I'm, I, believe me, I sat in that chair and I tried to explain it away a thousand times.

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Could it have been this?

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Could it have been that?

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Could it have been that?

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I looked, the, the pragmatist in me is, was refusing to believe that this could actually have happened.

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But because I've been doing this show for so long now, and I'm much more open to Karen's point, I'm much more open to things, the, that side of me was going, well, cut the crap.

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Cut the crap.

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This is, you've been asking for proof, you've been asking for proof, here's your proof.

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Stop trying to talk it away.

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Stop trying to rationalize it.

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And finally, I just decided, you know what?

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Screw it.

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Yes, I'm going to believe this is proof that we are in a very mysterious universe that we're living in right now.

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And no matter how much I tried, the pragmatic side of me tried to explain it away, it couldn't.

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It couldn't.

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So I just let it go.

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And now I'm just living with the belief that, with the knowledge, sorry.

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That we are living in a very strange universe.

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I was reflecting on what you said and I was thinking of all the logical things that you may have, might have gone through after looking at your seat for four times before you sat down and then at least four times and then it just Looking at it and seeing it flip.

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That's even more crazy without any drugs or alcohol, so that's Very interesting.

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And I'm thinking, you know what?

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Hmm.

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What if the flight, whoever manages that flight, maybe they swapped your seat, but for them to do it, Everything else has to switch.

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I'm sure the, the, like, she was in your seat and then someone like, why would she swap seats over?

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It's weird.

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Why would you, because you, you were still in aisle C, right?

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You, I think D is still in aisle C.

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I just crossed the aisle.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Why would you swap aisle seats?

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Well, I thought about that and I thought maybe, maybe they had shifted my seat and, uh, the app just hadn't updated, but I had.

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Refreshed that seat that app several times as I'm looking I refresh it every time because I want to make sure I got the right seat There was nothing like that happening.

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It was literally Usually when when the app refreshes it will you know that little circle of death thing It'll happen tonight for a second before it switches.

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This was a 20d.

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That's what you see It was like it was faster than that it was a blink of an eye the blink of an eye change from 20 to 20 see without without it was a A literal shift in reality.

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I don't know how else

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to explain it.

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That reminds me of, uh, quantum leaping.

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Yes.

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Where people do that on purpose for avoiding traffic.

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No,

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you're right, you're right.

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We've talked to people that have mentioned, was it reality trans surfing?

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Where we actually, what you do, you've heard of manifest in a way, the law of attraction.

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Thank you.

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What the theory is that what you're actually doing is you are shifting yourself to another reality where you have that thing that you're trying to manifest.

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You just shift.

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So quantum physics, here we go again, states that every possibility in the universe, everything that could possibly have happened, be happening, is happening concurrently at the same time.

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And what we're doing is we're flipping from one reality to the next.

00:28:42.632 --> 00:28:59.352
So when you, uh, manifest a, uh, red Volkswagen, you want a red Volkswagen, you work really hard to make that happen, you shift into a reality where you have that red Volkswagen, and that red Volkswagen comes into your life because of that shift that you do.

00:28:59.652 --> 00:29:01.832
That's the theory, and we've talked about people that do that.

00:29:02.031 --> 00:29:04.902
They call it quantum, uh, quantum jumping or, um...

00:29:06.672 --> 00:29:06.741
Yeah.

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You're just moving your consciousness to different, you know, different little realities.

00:29:10.571 --> 00:29:10.711
Yeah.

00:29:10.721 --> 00:29:11.031
I feel,

00:29:11.142 --> 00:29:13.382
I feel bad for the person you swap with, right?

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I think it a him sham.

00:29:16.707 --> 00:29:17.247
I was so

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close.

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It did all the work.

00:29:20.487 --> 00:29:20.727
dammit.

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They walk up to the dealership and they're like, it's true.

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Where's my car?

00:29:24.866 --> 00:29:27.727
And you're like, showing up This is only a blue one.

00:29:27.926 --> 00:29:28.326
I said, red,

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yellow, I don't understand.

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Right.

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I mean it did all the, the rabbit hole gets deep because to Karen's point, but it's your consciousness.

00:29:37.346 --> 00:29:37.797
So really.

00:29:38.047 --> 00:29:41.326
Which consciousness is the real consciousness, right?

00:29:41.326 --> 00:29:43.307
We're, we're all conscious in all realities.

00:29:43.317 --> 00:29:44.777
So how is it like,

00:29:45.886 --> 00:29:46.767
Oh, my God, here we go.

00:29:47.386 --> 00:29:48.747
Are there, it's like shells everywhere.

00:29:48.826 --> 00:29:49.957
You're just popping into different ones.

00:29:50.037 --> 00:29:50.227
I

00:29:50.227 --> 00:29:52.946
mean, we're talking to people that said that, that we.

00:29:59.082 --> 00:29:59.602
But, uh,

00:30:01.511 --> 00:30:06.182
we've talked to people that say that, um, I, that, you know, I completely lost my train of thought.

00:30:06.182 --> 00:30:06.892
So let's just go on.

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People are often surprised that, that, you know, we've been doing this podcast together for a long time, that we don't have the same beliefs.

00:30:16.501 --> 00:30:21.402
And we do have similar beliefs in some regards, but in some ways we're like, Nope, I'm like, Nope, you're wrong.

00:30:21.491 --> 00:30:22.382
He's like, Nope, you're wrong.

00:30:22.382 --> 00:30:24.021
Or, you know, not necessarily wrong.

00:30:24.031 --> 00:30:29.432
We don't say wrong anymore, but I believe this, well, I believe that, but a lot of times they're vastly different.

00:30:29.951 --> 00:30:34.432
And you know, that's kind of the fun of it keeps things interesting conversations.

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All right, that wraps up part one of this two part series episode.

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Next week, we're going to go deeper into their personal stories and we're going to highlight the power of community and how that can break physics and break your reality.

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You're not going to want to miss it.

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Stay tuned for next week.

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I'll see you then.

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See ya.
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Will Rodriguez & Karen Endsley

Producers and Co-Hosts

Show Bio
Like Mulder from the X-Files, we want to believe.

So we've embarked on a journey of discovery. We’ve talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual, metaphysical, and mystical worlds. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences, and we're sharing them with you in an effort to find the trick to self-growth.

Whether your interests lie in the metaphysical or the spiritual or even grounded in the three dimensional world, this show will help you explore the endless possibilities of self growth....tinged with a hint of the supernatural.

Our listeners are men and women that are interested in learning about the metaphysical, paranormal and esoteric, but may not yet have 100% full confidence that the stuff we explore is real. They're open-minded, but not gullible and are interested in things not completely proven to be based on scientific fact in the traditional sense. We also appeal to people that are really interested in these things but don't know how or where to start.

One of us is a true pragmatist, while the other sees the world with a sense of wonder. These differing approaches allow us to reach many different types of people, from the skeptical scientist to the lover of all things woo!

Will Rodriguez
Producer/Creator/Host
Starting his career with NBC/Telemundo, Will ended up as Line Producer, second only to the Executive Producer of a live daily entertainment news show at the Telemundo network in Miami.

In 2005, Will created his own video production company, s… Read More