#32 - Spiritual Experiences with a Retired Cop

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[00:00:14] JON: Oh, I don't even know what that is. I don't even know what that is.

[00:00:19] TRACE: right. I forgot you're Hispanic. Who doesn't speak Spanish? Okay, let's go.

[00:00:26] JON: all right, I'm gonna ask you about that later. That, that sounds interesting. Uh, welcome to the New Age Human Podcast. I'm your host, Jon Astacio. I have here the host of Unhinged Clarity Podcast. Trace, how are you doing? Welcome to the.

[00:00:43] TRACE: I'm doing very well. Thank you.

[00:00:45] JON: So what is El Coco like? What is that?

[00:00:51] TRACE: is a Spanish way of saying the ghost, the boogeyman.

[00:00:54] JON: okay. So now anybody that's listening, um, that knows I'm Spanish is gonna be like, [00:01:00] how did he not know that? You

[00:01:01] TRACE: Because he's the only, he's one of the these Hispanics who doesn't speak Spanish.

[00:01:05] JON: Yeah. What do you call it? Um, I sometimes I say, , uh, or, hey, it happens a lot in New York. , okay. So, we were chatting and, Tracy said that, , her mother would scare people with her, stories of. Let's just say her run-ins with the spiritual world. And, , Tracy, you said you had a couple, not a lot, well, a couple run-ins.

And, uh, I wanted to kind of dive in on that because you have an interesting life yourself. So anybody that's listening check out her podcast is she's going to dive deeper into her wild and greasy world, , growing up. And all the things that you've been through.

[00:01:45] TRACE: Mm-hmm.

[00:01:46] JON: um, you used to be a cop and you loved it,

[00:01:50] TRACE: Yes, I'm

[00:01:51] JON: York City. 

So we can start off with maybe a story you can share with your, I say run-ins, but maybe a spiritual experience, out of body [00:02:00] experience, weird dreams, uh, and occurrence for you. Or we can start off with, uh, a story of your mom scaring people.

[00:02:08] TRACE: Okay. 

[00:02:09] JON: Where do you 

[00:02:09] TRACE: Well, you know, being, you know, being Hispanic, we're just naturally spiritual people. Um, you know, with, uh, Some, some practice the, the religion of San, which does have spirituality in it. Um, so when, when John and I were talking, he had asked me had I ever had any spiritual experiences, and I did tell him about one outer body experience that I had, and that that's basically when you're sleeping and.

Kind of see something going on and it feels like you're actually there, like you're awake and you're there. So that was one incident that I had, which was a, a little scary for me. But, um, my, my mother is very [00:03:00] spiritual. She, she connects to the point where she used to, she used to, uh, practice it more back in the day.

Anyway, I digress. Let's go back. My mother used to have friends that she would feel things coming on and one day, um, She had mentioned to one of her friends, she had asked him basically, how is everybody doing in your house? You need to go check your house. And he just stopped. And he asked her, well, why? He said, um, I think there's a fire in your house.

And no sooner did he said, oh my God. He went and he left and he checked it out and his whole house went up in flames. Since that day he stopped talking to her cuz he freaked out about it. I mean, think about it, if somebody comes over to you and they say, uh, your house is on fire and you guys are nowhere near there, how would she know that?

And so that kind of freaked him out and he never spoke to her again because of it. So she [00:04:00] had a, a few of those things. Just because she felt it and she figured, let me stop telling people, cuz you know, you gotta be careful who you talk to this stuff about cuz then people think you're crazy. Um, so I had told John that I was, you know, some people can walk and, and someone will be right up on them and they won't even feel them.

I feel, I feel people like my nephew is 17. He lives across the park from me, but he was having a hard time. And whenever he's having a hard time, I kind of, I don't know how to explain it, but I feel him. And so I call him up and I go, okay, what's going on? I'm feeling you. And he always laughs and he goes, nah, it's nothing, you know, and then come on, give, I feel you.

I feel, uh, I feel your stress. And then it's always something. So maybe it's just a connection that we have. I don't know. It's hard to explain.

[00:04:56] JON: Yeah, especially if you're close with somebody, [00:05:00] you tend to have.

A strong connection with them. If I see it as if you some type of caring, some type of, uh, unfinished business where you're involved with somebody on a project where you're. Thinking about somebody and then they call you or you're feeling a certain way have you ever tried to like hide how you feel and or someone tries to hide how they feel and they're doing, they visually they look like they're doing really good, but you know, you

[00:05:29] TRACE: Well, if they're in front of me, then no. I can tell, you know, I know that that connection that you're talking about with a family, but I've just natural feel if I'm walking in the street and you get, I could feel somebody following me, even though you're not very close up on me. If that makes

[00:05:46] JON: Yeah.

[00:05:47] TRACE: a lot of people can't do that.

Uh, a lot of people, somebody's right up their ass and, and, you know, and they don't feel them. And I'm like, how do they not feel them? And, and I just feel them, you know? And [00:06:00] I just naturally just turned around and I guess it served me well.

[00:06:04] JON: Yeah, especially being a cop, I mean, I can, uh, I, I wonder, I mean, as far as like what's going on there, you're, you've vibrated at a certain frequency. Everybody has like, you know how we have all IP addresses for internet, and you have your IME eye for your cell phone. Well, your body individually has like its own fingerprint, it's own energetic s.

And so if you're really in tune, you can sense that person individually. And then there's different frequencies that we live on that we, you know, emotionally each emotion has its level of frequency each, each tone. And we haven't really been taught this. We just like a sensitive person like yourself would pick up on something like that.

So there's definitely something going on. You have an energy bubble, let's just say they call it, it's a, it's in the shape of a toal field, which looks like a donut. [00:07:00] And your body has one and your heart has one, and they all have a certain distance that they go out. And I believe the heart one, see the, the heart one or the body one goes out six.

[00:07:12] TRACE: Oh, I gotta look into that. Never heard of

[00:07:13] JON: remember that distance and if you wanna look this up, look, um, look up, uh, search heart math. It's a, it's an organization that literally, like, that's what they spend their time on, like understanding the hearts and they put all kinds of science into it and monitor and do all kinds of experiments.

Um,

[00:07:30] TRACE: sounds

[00:07:30] JON: yeah. Yeah. Um, getting back to when you were a cop and. I can only imagine what it's like to be an empath or someone that's empathetic and and sensitive to people's emotions, and you can identify it. It's almost like you had to work extra hard. At least for myself, I was speaking for myself. Extra hard to manage your emotions. And then identify yourself outside of someone else and separate that. [00:08:00] And then at the same time, if someone is trying to get away with something, trying to lie to your face, um, it's easier for an empath to feel for them. And. If you're not, if you don't understand yourself, you're gonna think that that person is a hundred percent correct and if, if they believe in their lie.

Um, I'm wondering how did you, how did you manage that? Cause I'm sure you ran into that a little bit.

[00:08:24] TRACE: I ran into it a lot. Um, you, you have to understand as a, as an officer, you have to separate your feelings. From what's going on, um, you can have the conversation and that the good thing about when you're in the street, you are face to face. So if you know how to read people just with body language, You get a good sense of where they're coming from.

And sometimes you can be empathetic, but you have to know where it ends. You can't be too much, you can't be too [00:09:00] little. And I think that's the advantage that some women have, although I have seen a lot of men who handle it very well. Um, as, as an officer, you have to. Go with what you have, go with what you see, and you have to be able, I, I, I've always been a pretty good judge of character, so you have to be able to feel out what's actually going on and you can't really be emotional and cuz it's not really, it's not about you,

[00:09:32] JON: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:33] TRACE: it's about them and it's about what's going on.

The only time I think you have to be a little bit more, I would say would be with a rape victim and with children. You have to be a little bit more empathetic, although you don't feel because they're not your family. So there's that separation, if that makes sense. They're not your family. You feel for them, but you [00:10:00] don't feel that deep down in your heart for them, but you know that you have to be sensitive to them.

[00:10:06] JON: And that must be challenging because. Looking for a gauge as far as how much sensitivity you wanna give to the situation, but not get too involved. Um, for example, let me ask you this. There's something that empaths most empaths deal with, which is, I don't know the exact term, but you tend to take on, or there's a high chance of taking on other people's pain, whether it be emotional or physical.

So you never have that.

[00:10:39] TRACE: No,

[00:10:40] JON: Okay. That's good. That's

[00:10:41] TRACE: I don't take on other people's pain. I have enough of my own. I don't need to take on anybody else's.

[00:10:47] JON: That's funny.

[00:10:50] TRACE: I just, I think the most pain I, I take on is for children, you know, and animals. 

[00:10:56] JON: Okay. 

[00:10:56] TRACE: But, um, as far as, you know, older people, and I mean [00:11:00] senior citizens who can't care for themselves, but for the most part, No, I don't take on anybody else's pain. That's your thing, you know? I'll try to help you as much as I can.

I may feel a little bad for you, but Not pain.

[00:11:15] JON: Mm.

[00:11:16] TRACE: No. That's your pain. I, I, I'm okay. I don't wanna share it, but I get what you're saying. Yes. Some people do.

[00:11:23] JON: In a previous episode, um, when I interviewed my mother, she shared how she would have, she's a personal trainer, so if she has a client and they're in pain, she'll know the pain. Rolling into the, uh, the session as in like arriving at the house and she's like the, you know, the client would say, oh, my, my knee, I, I need to update you.

My, I, I did something to my knee. And she's like, that was you cuz my knee's been driving me nuts for the past two days. And she's like, yeah, it happened two days ago. Which is nuts.

[00:11:53] TRACE: Oh no. That is nuts. I don't wanna feel anybody else's pain. [00:12:00] 

[00:12:00] JON: yeah, it's not 

[00:12:00] TRACE: mother let it go. Let it go.

[00:12:02] JON: fun at all. At all.

[00:12:04] TRACE: you know, I think your mom is just like, she probably gets so in tuned with her client.

[00:12:10] JON: she's in there. She's like

[00:12:11] TRACE: she's all in. But you gotta understand with what I do, what, what I used to do. It's one job. You're gone. I, although even.

Even if you do special things for some people, like I had this one girl who I used to know and I found her all strung out and I felt bad for her because I knew her and I knew her family. But that's your choice. So the mo, the best I could do for her was give her my numbers. When you're ready to get out or if you need some help, gimme a call or come see me at the.

I for a moment, I felt bad, but I did not take on that. I did not take on that pain. She was going through Here. Let me help you. I will offer and try to help you, but I love your mom, man, but mm-hmm.[00:13:00] 

[00:13:01] JON: That's funny. Well, so, um, you, you mentioned real quick you told me before, but you were talking about how you had an out of body experience and it was just a bad experience. Are you comfortable sharing that or do you wanna just speak to the, uh, bullet points to. Because it sounds like it was a really bad experience, and I don't want you to relive that,

[00:13:22] TRACE: No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. I mean, I've had one or two and they were just like freaky. I mean, I had one that I thought I was, this is when I was much younger. I thought I felt myself. Get out of bed. And I was trying to leave the room and as I was trying to leave the room, I felt like somebody grabbed my Nikon and was pulling me in.

And that was a little freaky and a little scary cuz I think I was in my twenties. And then, right now I'm an old lady, but I think I, I was in my twenties and that kind of freaked me out. [00:14:00] But you know, I spoke to my grandmother cuz my grandmother was really involved in spirituality and the. And she, that's what she told me.

That was an ABO experience. And I'm like, who? That was freaky, you know? And then the other time it happened, it was just kind of looking down on somebody. And, um, I think the things that happened to me recently, and I attribute it to anxiety. Where, you know, if I'm sleeping and I feel myself running, and I think a lot of people have these things, I feel myself running and the danger is coming at me.

All of a sudden my heart starts to pound and I can't talk. I'm trying, I'm yelling in my sleep and all my husband is here is, you know, at first I've been married 32 years and at first he was looking at me like, what the hell? And now he just kind of moves me and it wakes me up,[00:15:00] 

[00:15:00] JON: So he, that's the protocol. Just kind of move you. Is it like a push, a nudge, a shove.

[00:15:06] TRACE: It's usually just a nudge.

He goes, but sometimes he really has to, you know, nudge me,

[00:15:11] JON: You don't kick him in your sleep,

[00:15:12] TRACE: No, no, no, no. I'm very still sleeper, but, but I, I, I usually attribute that to anxiety. I mean, I don't know. But then I try to go back and say, okay, what am I going through? What's bothering me? Because it doesn't happen all the time.

[00:15:28] JON: Yeah. I mean, I'm the one that has some crazy dreams at one. Sometimes it's just like, each morning it's like I tell my wife, Hey, I had a crazy dream. And it's just like another story. And she likes to hear the stories. Cuz it's like movies. It's literally movies.

[00:15:46] TRACE: Oh my God. And you remember all of it.

[00:15:47] JON: Oh yeah. And if, like, if you, if you wanna remember your dream, right, you have a limited amount of time from when you wake up.

If like some, like [00:16:00] on average I have like two to three plus dreams, um, but you remember the last one and then the other ones are slowly fading away. So the technique that I did, if you wanna start remembering your dreams, is you. Immediately. She's, if you can't, if you're listening, she's, she's shaking your head.

She's like, no, no, no. Well, I, I could tell you a story for, so one, um, just start writing down your dream because I believe that there's a message that you're being told

[00:16:32] TRACE: Oh, I agree.

[00:16:34] JON: And, um, so I write it down and it's like a think of a tree, right? And think of a tree. And each branch, each leaf is like, or uh, or yeah, each leaf is like a, a, a dream.

And when you start to describe one leaf, so to speak, you'll notice that it's connected to a previous branch, right? And so as you describe it and write it down, you'll, the memories will [00:17:00] start kicking. So I've, I've had a dream and I'm like, I know I had a couple, but I just remember like the last bit of the, the most recent one.

I start writing it down and then I'm like four dreams in. So all my notes, I have a journal. All my notes start from the, from backwards of most recent to the start of, I guess, me falling asleep.

[00:17:21] TRACE: Oh, interesting.

[00:17:21] JON: yeah. So Tracy, you agree that your dreams are messages. Of a learning lesson. What are your thought?

[00:17:35] TRACE: I don't know if it's a learning lesson, but I think your dreams have something to do with your inner thoughts either and it's connected to something that's going on with you or something that, um, is to come or it, it, there is some connection. And funny thing about it is that my mother, I was goofing on my mother the other day because she.

Oh, I had this dream. [00:18:00] She's telling me this dream, and then she goes back to sleep. She picks that up. I say, who the hell picks up on the dream that they just had? She goes, well, I don't know, but I do. My mother's strange. She's a strange word. She's so good mentally. If you give her butter and you tell her it's cream cheese, she will actually taste cream cheese.

[00:18:18] JON: Wow.

[00:18:19] TRACE: I'm like, okay, you're just too good for me. But no, that was butter. How do you taste butter? And you call it cream cheese, but she's, she's one of those people that she ends a dream, she's up 15 minutes, she goes right back into it,

[00:18:36] JON: Mm

[00:18:37] TRACE: she left off. I mean, she's just really spiritually connected. But, um, I do believe that there is something, would be it anxiety or a fear or a desire, it's something.

Is trying to manifest itself, give you a [00:19:00] message. And I don't, I don't really know the connection. I don't really know how, I mean, I don't do, um, the other spiritual kind of stuff. But it's funny how people who who go see spiritual people will think that we're having a crazy conversation, but they'll go to a medium.

[00:19:18] JON: Mm-hmm.

[00:19:19] TRACE: That's something.

[00:19:21] JON: What? What do you mean? Like they, they think that we're, our conversation is crazy, but then they'll still go to a medium.

[00:19:26] TRACE: Like, like they'll think we're weird and they'll think that we're wacko, but then they'll go see a medium.

[00:19:31] JON: Yeah, yeah. You'll go to the, the Renaissance Fair in, uh, New York and, uh, you know, sit down with, uh, those people are pretty interesting. Um, you know, you gotta, you have to really know what you're doing and the questions. And sometimes you have to test some people. Cause there's a lot of phonies out there, a lot of fakes.

Um,

[00:19:50] TRACE: So, so I'm gonna ask you, so do you also believe that it's a message trying to be sent to you or something, [00:20:00] a feeling that's inside of you, it's just something that's going on?

[00:20:05] JON: What makes sense to me is that I. Like the idea of let's say, uh, a guardian or my future self is communicating with me and there's certain rules. You can't just jump in and just give your younger self all the answers, cuz then how are you gonna learn? So maybe there's rules, maybe like one of the rules is you can communicate, but it has to be symbolic and via dreams.

That's like the best we can do for you, right? And it's like, all right, fine. So what? Let, let's do this. And I say that because I've had dreams where I've, it was a repeat dream. It was frustrating because it just kept happening and happening. And I'll, if you want, I'll share it. Um, because there was a lesson, and then once I learned the lesson, the dream ceased to exist is [00:21:00] immediately stopped immediately when I got the message.

[00:21:02] TRACE: oh, cool.

[00:21:03] JON: And, um, I'll try to keep it short, but I had a Dr, a repeat dream of going to school. And, um, this is, and I'm in my early thirties during this dream, right, mid to early thirties. While this, while I'm having these dreams and in the dream, I'm, it looks, it seems like I'm in my late teens, early twenties because I'm like, I'm going to school.

So I'm always late for class. Um, when I, if or, and if I am almost, I, I, I'm always late. I have a hard time finding the classroom. If I really finally reach the classroom and I sit down, I have no idea what's going on. And then if I have a somewhat of an idea what's going on. I didn't study for the exam, that's about to happen.

So I'm like, and it was just repeat, repeat, repeat. Like stress, stress. I'm like, why? Why? This is so annoying?

[00:21:57] TRACE: So why was it.

[00:21:57] JON: and, well, I had one dream that [00:22:00] it was like my hire self said, he's not getting it. We're just gonna go to the extreme. We're gonna hit him where it hurts, we're gonna hit him. Where? And I had a dream where, I was going on vacation.

It was like me and my mother in a car. We were just driving and then all of a sudden I realized, oh my God, it's gonna sound weird, but I'm late for my test flight for the new spaceship that's going into outer space. Random, right? But as a child, I've always wanted to go get onto a spaceship and fly into space and go to different plants.

Like that's like a childhood dream. That's like, you know, it's just in the back of your head.

[00:22:39] TRACE: Right.

[00:22:40] JON: And so I was like, oh my God. And I was one of the few people that was chosen to go, and I'm like, not like, there's no way I'm gonna make it. Like we're just not, it's not happening. You're, you're already on about to be on vacation.

You can't go home, change and go there. There just is no way. And I was, so, I woke up in a cold sweat. I'm like, no, no. I wanna [00:23:00] go to space. No. I was so upset. I was so upset. Like I was just, I just, I was, yeah. I had so many, so many dreams, so, so many things I wanted to do, right? The things you could do in space.

And, and then I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay. What, what is going on? Like, I can't, that sucks. I, I, if I ever, if that ever happens, that just, no, no, this what something needs to change. Can't let that happen. And. The reflection was that, um, the way I was going with my life with work or personal business, I was not taking the time to, to prepare, to plan ahead. I wasn't planning ahead and I wasn't focused on like a specific goal. And I realized that I was very scattered and I would. Approach the day as it came with a general idea, very vague idea. And so I'm like, all right, cool. Um, I'm going to plan ahead. Okay. So, you know, I'm gonna [00:24:00] at, at, at night, at at, in the evening times, I'm gonna write down my to-do list, what I wanna accomplish next day, and I'm gonna have a, you know, what I wanna do for the month and for the quarter, you know, for, for work, for business and stuff.

And I, you know, I, I'm like, I'm, I, I made a plan and I'm gonna, and then I started to work that plan and then, I realized that that dream stopped and then other dreams started happening. So I'm like, all right, now I gotta figure out those. But it was cool to to realize that like I finally got the message and now it's more exciting to write down and explore the other dreams.

Maybe it's more messages. It's like, all right, so you got that one. Okay, so what else is there to learn? You know? So I thought that was extremely.

[00:24:44] TRACE: That is pretty cool. I mean, I, um, excuse me. I recently said to my mother, you know, I have a lot of Deja vus, and she, she laughed and I go, I hope I'm not repeating this life because you know, [00:25:00] will kind of suck. You know, I wanna die and do something else. You know, I still would've come back as a Hispanic woman, but with a little bit more money.

Don't have to work so hard at it, you know? I said it, it's like the, the the, um, uh, the. That they keep, he keeps repeating. I'm like, I don't wanna keep repeating. 

[00:25:19] JON: Like ground hogs day. 

[00:25:21] TRACE: yeah, yeah. Like that, that movie there. And I said, so, you know, it's like a deja vu. Like, I've done all this before. I wanna know where it ends, how it ends.

Let's get moving here. You know, maybe we could skip a couple of steps, you know, where did I mess this up? Or I had to have messed it up. That's why we have to do it again. And she laughs. She goes, I don't know, maybe. Who thinks of that, you know?

[00:25:46] JON: the, it's interesting how you mentioned that, um, I was having a conversation with somebody and we were talking about reincarnation. Do you believe in reincarnation? It sounds like you do. Okay,

[00:25:55] TRACE: I do. Mm-hmm.

[00:25:56] JON: Um, There was a, there was a movie [00:26:00] that, uh, this guy starts out with this guy who was a, uh, a clear womanizer.

He was taking advantage of whatever woman, like, he, like not being respectful, let's just say. And he was taking, uh, advantage of his position at, at his job. And then, um, he all, he, he, his life gets interrupted. He dies and then he gets reincarnated into a. A woman's body and for some reason someone messed up and, uh, he has his memories, like he still thinks he's a dude.

[00:26:34] TRACE: Was this a movie?

[00:26:35] JON: Yeah, it was

[00:26:36] TRACE: Yeah. Yeah, I think I, I think I remember

[00:26:38] JON: And I think it's like an early nineties movie too. I gotta find the name

[00:26:41] TRACE: I remember it. Uhhuh.

[00:26:42] JON: um, it was just, it was funny because, uh, that, that goes along the lines of what people believe in with like, the whole karmic cycle where if you do something bad in this or negative in this life, um, you're going to probably be the victim of that same wrongdoing in the next life.

And if you are. [00:27:00] Um, being, uh, the, the bad end of that stick now is probably because of your past life. So it's like there's that en extra incentive to be a good person, you know, and find out what does that mean?

[00:27:13] TRACE: I, I don't, I don't think that I was a bad person because I'm not a bad person today. So if I'm reliving my life, I've had a great life. I really can't. I mean, I sit there and I talk about, hmm, I had good life when I was a kid. I had a great life when my teens, oh my God, I had an even better one when I was in my twenties and my thirties.

And it, the older you get, it just gets better. You know? My forties were amazing. Oh my God. Did I party? Oh my goodness. When I was in my. But then, you know, I joined the police department late. I was almost 30. And that kind of slows you down because at that point they control your movements. Um, there are a lot of restrictions as much as people think there aren't a lot, a lot of things that you [00:28:00] can't do.

Um, and so into my forties, I had a great forties, I had a great fifties. Yeah. I'm hit, I'm in there. I'm in the 60 numbers, you know.

[00:28:11] JON: Hey, I couldn't, I can't even tell if you're watching this. You can't. You probably won't be able to tell too, if you're listening. She sounds really young.

[00:28:19] TRACE: Actually, Sunday is my birthday. I'm gonna be 62.

[00:28:22] JON: What.

[00:28:23] TRACE: I'm gonna be 62, and my goal right now is getting the body together and saying, This is what 62 looks like, you know? Um, so I always said that. I said in my sixties, I have to have the best, the best body ever, you know, and I'm like really chugging along, hoping that, you know, I'm trying to get it there.

But, um, I'm like, I don't know. What I could possibly be repeating, because I'm not ugly to people. I never have been. I'm, I'm probably the most polite person you're ever gonna meet. Even, even when, when men used to come hit on me, you know how girls get all stupid and everything, and, and they don't, they just don't know how to [00:29:00] turn a man down nicely.

I would always be the one that was, you know, no thank you. Even now. No, thank you. I'm married, but thank you.

[00:29:08] JON: Yeah,

[00:29:08] TRACE: look at you like, why is she thanking me? You know, because most women. Either shut down or, or they'll say something stupid. And, and even when they say, well, I don't mind. I'm like, well, I do, you know, but thank you again.

Um, I only have to get nasty when they just continue and continue, continue, dude. Get, get a clue. You know, I'm giving you a, I'm not even giving you a hint. I'm giving it to you. You're not getting it. Don't make me, don't make me be nasty. Thank you. I'm not interested. I'm flattered, but.

[00:29:42] JON: That's the way you

[00:29:42] TRACE: girlfriends are like, oh my God, you're so nice.

I'm like, well, there's no need to be nasty. So I'm like, okay, why am I repeating this? What did I do wrong?

[00:29:51] JON: Hey, maybe that's the, uh, no, no, I don't, it doesn't sound like you have that, that challenge. Just like you said, you, you deal with it pretty well. Some people bug out, [00:30:00] right?

[00:30:00] TRACE: I just say, I used to be a man though. I might have been a, I might have been a guy, because I'm gonna tell you why. Because I'm always the only female. And when I joined the police department, I got along with the guys so well. Well I did a little, um, research before I joined, you know, you have to know your audience and what you're going into.

So the year before I went in, I got a whole year subscription to Sports Illustrated cuz I was like, okay, well, What do men like? They like to eat, they like to get laid and they like sports. Well, I'm not cooking for them. I'm not banging them. So I guess sports is it. So at least I can have a conversation with them about sports and it worked.

And I don't get caught up in that sexual harassment thing. I just give it right back and I give it back harder. And so we've, I've just always gotten along with men really, really good. I grew up with five guys, you know, and the projects that I grew up [00:31:00] in.

[00:31:00] JON: Brothers.

[00:31:01] TRACE: No, just skies in the building that I hung out with all the time.

And from there, as we got older, I started hanging out in the clubs and then I hung out with the musicians. Boy did I get an education there. And just from them always, because I was such a lady, it was like, come over here. You see what I just said to her? Don't ever let a guy do that to you. Yeah.

[00:31:22] JON: You're like, yes, sir.

[00:31:24] TRACE: You know, I mean, they would teach me and, and then from

[00:31:27] JON: cool. That's cool. How they were like, like you were so close to them. They're like, see what I did to her? Don't let anybody do that to you, but you still showed. You still did it.

[00:31:35] TRACE: Well, you know.

Yeah. 

[00:31:36] JON: do what I do.

[00:31:37] TRACE: yeah, but you know what it is, because I always conducted myself like a lady. So if you're a lady, men treat you like a lady and they're more apt to, to take care of you and and wanna teach you. And so then from there, I joined the police department. So it was just, and everything, I mean, sometimes they would forget that Trace is here, you know?

The language they would, cuz I [00:32:00] always, I always, um, immediately I make my boundaries. You know, we can goof, we can talk, but don't get crazy. And so I put the boundaries and, and they know how far they can go. But, um, as far as. You know, I worked out with them, I goofed with them everything, so I never really had an issue.

And they used to tell me, you sure you weren't a guy before you were incarnated? I'm like, I don't know. I might have been, you know, I mean, cuz I'm a big defender of men also, and, and some women get really mad at me. We just did a, a show on sexual harassment and my co-host was a little upset because I mentioned that.

In some situations of sexual harassment, women have to take a small portion of responsibility and she just could not get it. And I was, and I had to, I gave you the example that if I put, if a man puts his arm around you and you, well, that's telling him that it's okay. opposed to if, [00:33:00] if he puts his arm around you and you try to wiggle away and you say, stop,

[00:33:04] JON: Right. It's a little.

[00:33:05] TRACE: right.

The message is received differently. And so if you don't tell them or send out the right message, then you can't fault them for being men and thinking that you know it's okay and it's okay to move on to the next step. And she, she was like, just going crazy. And I'm not, I'm saying, I'm not saying that it, you know, it's, it's right because, but they do have some responsibility in that they did not communicate that it wasn't okay.

And it's as easy as. Looking at the hand or just, you know, something with the elbow if they don't wanna come straight out and say no.

[00:33:43] JON: Yeah,

[00:33:44] TRACE: And she was like, well, no. I'm like, no, no,

[00:33:48] JON: just no,

[00:33:49] TRACE: women are not, you know, they have to take some responsibility when the responsibility is there. However, if he's a douche and she said, um, no, stop, and they're still, well, then [00:34:00] that's different.

It's a whole different.

[00:34:02] JON: It's interesting. I mean, we, we were talking about karma, we were talking about past lives. Uh, you probably were dude.

It seems like you're a nice guy because you're having a very balanced life as a female. So it could just been, um, some say that we live on average. Like the, let's say the souls, natural cycle on earth is, uh, eight lifetimes, right? Four. As a female for, for as a male.

And some people might be at the two in one or the four in one, and so they'll ha some, you know, if you've been a male for four times in a row and then now you're a female, like a lot of that's gonna carry over cuz you have a lot of soul history. As a dude that's just. Coming out, you know, and um, something you might be interested in hearing about this.

And I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't seen it cuz you weren't a detective. Right.

[00:34:56] TRACE: No, I was a sergeant.

[00:34:57] JON: Okay. So, uh, [00:35:00] apparently, and you can look this up, I don't have any references, but I'm sure there's like a bunch of it. Um, you, when you get reincarnated a lot of your facial structure. Carries over into the next life. So much so that people have been identified using their current face with their supposed history and the crime associated to that using facial recognition software, which is crazy.

[00:35:31] TRACE: Yeah,

[00:35:32] JON: And interesting. It's crazy cuz it

[00:35:34] TRACE: Yeah.

[00:35:34] JON: it's crazy if you haven't heard of it before and very interesting if it's intriguing. So it sounds like you would probably ask somebody that you know, who's a detective and you're like, have you heard of this? I'm curious if you can get back to me on that. If you still, uh, are in touch with anybody who's a detective.

I'm very curious if they run into that.

[00:35:50] TRACE: I could probably ask someone, um, who, who's, uh, maybe using the facial recognition, [00:36:00] cuz you know, that's relatively new.

[00:36:02] JON: Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it's just crazy stories of

[00:36:05] TRACE: can find that and I'll get back to you. But I think getting back to our original conversation, I think that, excuse me, everyone is spiritual. They're just some people who know how to tap into it. They're not afraid to tap it, whereby other people, things will happen. They just blow it off as ah, you know, it's just, or they do feel something, but they're afraid of it, which I don't understand why you would be afraid of it, because it's just, you know, it is what it is.

It's not there to hurt you. There is a message in there, there is some kind of message trying to tell you something, you know? Um, we're just not, the people who are afraid of it are just not keying into it. And I think people like your mom, that that's pretty [00:37:00] interesting. Uh, she really has a deep connection in my mother as well.

Um, cuz my mother can tell me about people that, oh, this one's on her way out. And the minute she tells me that like a month later they're gone,

[00:37:12] JON: That's, uh,

[00:37:13] TRACE: you

[00:37:13] JON: it's gotta be stressful to, to have that information and be aware of that, cuz now you just see numbers on people's foreheads.

[00:37:20] TRACE: You know, she doesn't look at it that way. She looks at it as, you know, if I can, if they're friends with her, she'll go and say goodbye and not telling them she's saying goodbye. She goes and makes the point to visit, knowing that that's the last time that she's gonna see them. But she doesn't tell them that because of past experiences.

People don't wanna hear it, you know?

[00:37:40] JON: No one wants to know that. No, some people do, but I, I mean, it's what hap if, if someone was able to tell you like when the day is gonna be, would you like to know?

[00:37:51] TRACE: You know, I don't know. I've, I've thought about that sometime. And on the one hand, yes, so that I can get in [00:38:00] everything that I've ever wanted to do. And then on the other hand, maybe, maybe not, because then I could prepare for it, but then how could you really prepare? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I've thought about that.

I don't know if I'd wanna know

[00:38:18] JON: Do you feel that if, if you did know and someone told you, do you feel like it's possible that you could change that?

[00:38:29] TRACE: if No,

[00:38:31] JON: Like, do you believe so you believe in fate, like that's it?

[00:38:35] TRACE: I, I think, I think, I believe that we are here for a reason. We're here to do something, and then once you get that accomplished, you go, it's time to go. That's why when people say, um, oh, but he was just a baby. He wasn't here for him. The baby wasn't here for the baby. The baby was here for someone else. And whatever that lesson, that person had to [00:39:00] learn, they learned it and it was time for the baby.

As, I don't know if that sounds crazy or not, but I believe that I, I believe that we are all here for a reason and once that reason has been accomplished, time to go bye-bye. And it's not always for you. It could be for somebody else. You're here to teach because everyone that you meet in your life, there was a reason that you met them.

And it like you, you know how you could have some past girlfriends. And you'll say, wow, I wonder what they're doing now. It's like, Ooh, what did I, ooh, what did I see in her? You know, it wasn't for you, it was for her. Whatever the lesson is. And I know that cuz everybody, you touch, you, everybody you meet, you do touch in some form or fashion.

Some people may not believe that, but that's what I believe. I believe that everyone you meet, you meet for a reason. And it's not always for you. Sometimes it's for them.

[00:39:59] JON: I.

[00:39:59] TRACE: and [00:40:00] when your time. You've taught or you've done what you were supposed to do, then you go, well, I just hope that when I, you know, I always say, I hope that when I'm done doing what I came to do, just let me, let me have a good night with my husband, good meal, and just, you know,

[00:40:17] JON: I just wanted 

[00:40:18] TRACE: lemme get hit by a bus.

So, you know, don't make it painful, you know,

[00:40:22] JON: Hey, some people want to go out like, like, Like a party, like an explosion, like I want to go out like crazy. So, um,

[00:40:30] TRACE: a good night, you know, just have a good day, have a good night, and you know, let me go lay down. I'm tired. And then, you know, no pain involved, nothing like that. You know, have a good exciting day that it was like, man, that was a good day, you know, but I'm tired now, so I'm gonna go to sleep. And then that's it,

[00:40:49] JON: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people want to go out

[00:40:53] TRACE: I believe, you know, I believe. That, and there are other people who don't believe that. I've talked, I've spoken to some of my friends and they're like, [00:41:00] yeah, well no. And I'm like, well, okay. You believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe.

[00:41:05] JON: Mm-hmm. I agree. I agree. Well, Speaking of ending your life journey, I'm like, really? We're gonna end like that. We're gonna end at that note. Um, but, uh, I, I, I've had, this was a fun, in an interesting conversation. Uh, You know, we were, we were talking and you're like, Hey, I got like one or two stories. I'm like, we're gonna talk about some stuff.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask you some challenging questions. And, uh, you came through and, uh, I, it's interesting to see your, your perspective, right? And um, in.

[00:41:40] TRACE: and I said, I don't even have 10 minutes worth of

[00:41:43] JON: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:41:45] TRACE: started and I'm off and running.

[00:41:46] JON: I was like, I am not worried. We've had a conversation about emails, you know, and Yeah. Yeah. We're good. We're good. We're good. All right. Um, so, um, I know that I, I introduced you [00:42:00] as the host of Unhinged Clarity Podcast. Uh, if anybody wants to hear a little bit about you and your story, um, you know, tell us where we can find you on social media, your site, and what you're working on.

[00:42:13] TRACE: Well, we're working on, um, different kind of things. We just, I just finished editing our sexual harassment story. What we try to do is I'm, uh, I'm conservative and my co-host is very liberal, and we try to have conversations where we agree to disagree or reach a middle ground and our conversations. Done not scratching each other's eyes out or tearing each other down.

I would think you'd have enough of that. But, um, it, it's a communication podcast where you can see, even though you don't agree, even though some of these things are really controversial, we are not tearing each other down. And, and the past few episodes that we've had, we've, we've kind of agreed and we just did a [00:43:00] good show that if you are really interested in listen, Um, it was pretty funny.

It's about weaves, fake nails, eyelashes, just the crazy things that people do to be beautiful and the booty. And in, in our show also, we try to give some history and some facts and people are learning a lot and, and they're, they're kind of enjoying it. Um, if you're interested in listening, I hope you do.

It's called unhinge Clarity. We drop every Wednesday a new show. If there's something that you'd like to hear, you can send us an email at trace t r a c e and the word n a N d barb, b a r b unhinge clarity.com,

[00:43:48] JON: Cool.

[00:43:48] TRACE: and you can find us on Spotify, iTunes every.

I met this young man at, at Pod Fest we clicked right away.

I knew he was a Wacka dude. Just like me. No,

[00:43:59] JON: [00:44:00] Wackadoos Unite. Let's go.

[00:44:01] TRACE: right. Hey,

[00:44:04] JON: All right. Thanks for coming on. I really appreciate you sharing your story.

[00:44:08] TRACE: Thank you for having me. 

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