JOIN, or DIE
Patrick Gilbert, COO of ADVenture Media Group, and author of JOIN, or DIE chats with Papamutes about the digital advertising industry and and how his blog posts led to writing a book. Pat is internationally recognized by Google for his expertise in automation. A graduate of Penn State University and a Long Island Native, but a Buffalo Bills fan. Papamutes digs deep into why? Pat and Papa sip cold brews disgusting fantasy football, Name that Movie, Celebrity Dead or Alive, and Celebrity Characters. So grab a cold one and tune in...or Die!
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Papamutes:All right . I want to welcome to the show friend of mine, a friend of my agent, pat Gilbert. He is the COO of adventure media group. He's also the author of joint or die digital advertising in the age of automation, pat, welcome to the podcast.
Patrick:It's great to be here, Papa mutes. How are you?
Papamutes:I'm great. I'm great. Uh ,
Patrick:When I say grandpa , I mean that's right.
Papamutes:Super. That even makes it even better. Uh, speaking of grandpa , uh, I mentioned briefly that you're , uh, friends with my agent money. You both attended Penn state and that was it safe to say that you told her the few beers back up in happy valley?
Patrick:Uh, I have been known to participate in a sass Brill or two yes. Uh , I , you know , like to mix it up every once in a while , take a load off, have, have a , have a cocktail or two.
Papamutes:It sounds good to me. Now, if you have a beer with you, I do.
Patrick:Um, so I'm still at my office and , uh , I I've listened to, I've listened to a few of the podcasts. I know that this is the thing that you do. You had Luke on your mask and we have a , a keg of Kona, big wave here. But for some reason I think we ran out of CO2. So I was scrambling somebody in the fridge had a Stella. I had one of my first choice, but Hey , it's cold and it gets the job done.
Papamutes:I have a gypsy Wissahickon brew , 6%. What's yours. Do you have a percentage on that?
Patrick:Uh, I dunno . Stella is basically water, right? It's probably far too much.
Papamutes:Well, let's tip it off with a little sip.
Patrick:There you go. Cheers.
Papamutes:Mm . How was it? Where are you in long island?
Patrick:Long island? Our office as based in , um, it's over near JFK airport, but I live on the north end of long island in a city called the Glen Cove.
Papamutes:Is it hot as balls up there today?
Patrick:Ah , yeah, it was humid as all. Hell. I'd actually, I went into my parking garage this morning and it smelled like what? I remember our high school football locker room smelled like during like the summer workouts. And he's like, it was like a non flashback. It was very gross.
Papamutes:Yeah . All right . So enough with the festivities , um, adventure media group in a nutshell for someone who's not familiar with anything about it , um, how would you describe that company, your company?
Patrick:So the industry we operate in is referred to as digital advertising. So , uh, the modern version of if you're familiar with mad men , um , but not really at all like that. Right? So it's very different than what people think of advertising used to be. But we were, we started up seven years ago , uh, as a startup. It was really just a couple of us and we got lucky , um, worked really hard and we've grown the business to 20 some people at this point. Um, and we do a lot of Google advertising, a lot of Facebook advertising, but , uh , really from a consultative perspective on we get hired by clients in of all shapes and sizes that say, Hey, listen, I'm trying to grow my business online. Can you guys help? And we'll figure out the best way to do that.
Papamutes:We talk in any type of Ms . Small business like Joe pizza maker, or does it have to be selling widgets and product or not ,?
Patrick:Uh, basically anything. So the , the thing is, as we've gotten bigger over the years, we only take on , um, mid-sized clients now. So really to anybody with a certain ad budget, that's kind of how we will , uh , assess whether or not it's a good fit for us, but I've worked with small, not a pizza place, but I've worked with like very, very small, you know, a mom and pop stores , uh, hair salons even. But then we have some very, very large clients. It really comes down to the budgets. Nice.
Papamutes:Now the book join or die. I love the title join or die. Um, what does that about and who would benefit from reading it? Okay ,
Patrick:So the book , um , is so the , the subtitle of it is digital advertising in the age of automation.
Papamutes:Ahem.
Patrick:The book is about a very large transformation that has been taking place in my industry , uh, with regards to machine learning and automation. And it's not really just exclusive to what's happening in marketing. It happens it's happening everywhere. Um, but the book is about , uh , how agencies like mine or other people that work in the industry can adapt to the modern technological wave that's taking place. And the
Papamutes:Reason that the other, or exactly the
Patrick:Reason, the reason that there's sort of like an ominous tone to it is because there was a lot of pushback against this technology. Um, a lot of agencies, whether they'll admit it or not, we're afraid that they'll just be replaced by automation. And that they're just all of a sudden, you'll wake up tomorrow and Google will automate everything and you won't have a need to hire people like us. So there was a lot of like negative propaganda out there saying that this stuff was bad. And I came along with a different opinion and studied it pretty intensely for a couple of years. And I came out with a book about it. Um, before I wrote the book, I wrote a series of blog posts. Uh, a couple of product engineers at Google had picked up on it and they had invited me to do a couple of training sessions and they flew me to a couple of different countries to go speak at , um , a few like Google, premier partner events. We try and like spread the word about this. And then one day I was like, you know, this would be a good, this would be a good opportunity to like write and publish a book. It seems like there's a market for this. So dug in for about a year, plugged away, published a book. And , uh, I think it's been moderately successful.
Papamutes:Cool. That actually was my next question. How did it come about, but you kind of answered that. How do you , uh, what was, what has been the feedback on the book since it's been out from people
Patrick:People seem to like it? Um, I don't know. Maybe they're just telling me that, but I think there there's a lot of folks in my industry that admittedly were against this type of technology and these solutions say a year and a half ago that have since changed their tone. Um, and , and they've reached out to me and I've had a lot of conversations with these folks and they claim that the book really helped them understand how this technology can be leveraged in the modern advertising ecosystem. So I think it's been good. I moved , sold a couple of copies and , um, you know, getting a few speaking engagements out of it. I got a chance to be on the Papa mutes podcast out of it. So clearly ,
Papamutes:Uh, no I have read, I actually, I read half of it. I was reading it. Um, uh, some of it I understood, but you know, some of it was like, whoa, what's going on. I get it. But I'm not sure, but in general , uh, I highly recommend it. It's definitely, if you're in that, you know, a w P P C
Patrick:PPC , it stands per paper click advertising , um , right . It's, it's, it's really just like the, the type of advertising that's referred to , um, where like every single time you do a search on Google, when you click on an ad, that advertiser is not charged to show the ad. They're only charged when you click on the ad. And so this is like, this acronym PPC has been around for 15, 20 years. That's just kinda what a lot of people refer to. Like people will think of my agency as a PPC agency. It's not like a , it's not the best definition for what we do, but it's sort of just like what people refer to it.
Papamutes:Got it. So how long did it take from the moment you said, or, you know, the idea of a book to the final, let's push it out on, you know , Amazon or what have you approximately
Patrick:I'm going to say it took about a year. It was really , I had some of it done already , um, the hardest part of starting. Right. And so you asked about kind of how the idea came to be, but the , the real crux of it was that , um, it , it was 2018 and we had a client that I was working with that we were trying to implement these new strategies in their ad campaigns, that they were just like, no, I don't want that. I think that, that I think automation is bad and I don't want you doing it. And it was really frustrating. And I sat, like I wrote this email out that I was going to send it to their executive board saying that like, the person that's managing us is doing a terrible job and you need to let us do our job. And I never sent that email cause that would've been a bad job. That would've been a bad idea. Right. But the next day I took that email and paste it into a Google doc. And then that became a blog post. So I published it and I, it was really like cathartic. Like I got to like really vent and get my frustrations out. And the title of that blog post was join or die. It's time to embrace Google automation. There you go. And that turned into three, four different blog posts. And I use that as like the template to start a lot of the chapters. Um, not necessarily like it , I didn't just copy and paste it, but that provided the framework. So I already had a leg up. A lot of the planning was already done. I'd mentally been thinking about this for awhile , but I guess the short of it is it essentially took about a year and it crossed over into the pandemic where , uh , time's kind of shifted and time stood still in a way, but also unlocked, like I wasn't doing anything on the weekends. So now I was able to , to spend a little bit more time working on it. Yeah.
Papamutes:Cool. Uh, now where you were at happy valley, where you did you say, you know , I'm going to write a book someday or was that just, it came about when you were partying with money.
Patrick:So it's funny. I never really thought of myself as a writer , um , even now, but , uh, I was always writing and you don't realize it and , and your agent could probably attest to this. Like I was , uh, I, because of the organizations that we were involved in, I would do a lot of long emails to our teams and so on and so forth about God knows what, and people would like call me out for it all the time. Like this guy will not shut up. His emails are so long. Um, I, I I'm very thorough. So it honestly, like in hindsight, it's not super surprising, but I never, I never would have thought even two years ago, I never, ever would have thought I'd be able to, or have the patience to sit down and write out a book, but who knows things change that's right.
Papamutes:What'd you write another one?
Patrick:I would, I actually really enjoyed it. Yeah. It was fun. Cool.
Papamutes:Now this is kind of a side question. How do you, I don't need to know the totals, but you write a book it's on Amazon, right? Correct. Among other things maybe , but I just know , um , actually gave me this book by the way. So either purchase it or stole it one or the other and
Patrick:Use it as toilet paper.
Papamutes:Um, how do you know how it's doing? In other words, the Zammit Amazon sends you like a monthly report and say, Hey, somebody in Philly bought this book, or, I mean, how has that track?
Patrick:It's not great. Um, the , the book industry, the publishing industry is very behind on the times. Um, and , uh, they need
Papamutes:To join or die.
Patrick:They need, they're going to die. They're like, it is no surprise that all of these things are being replaced by Amazon because all of these publishers do not know what they're doing. Wow . Um, they, so I , I use a publishing company and through that PA it's called mill city press. Okay . Through that publishing company, they, they contract out to a printer , uh, which is called lightning source, which is owned by a larger company called Ingram. They do a lot of textbooks and things like that. So my books are sold print on demand, which means that every time a book is sold, boom, it gets run through the printer, as opposed to, it's not as if like I have a warehouse of these books sitting in an Amazon fulfillment center, collecting dust until somebody buys it. It's a better idea because it's lower risk for me. That's why a lot of authors have sprung up in the last couple of years because there's very little risk. You put out a book now I get less royalties. Like if I was willing to commit to, Hey, I'm going to , I'm going to have 10,000 books printed. I'll get a cheaper cost per book. But now I have to , uh , now I'm sitting on 10,000 copies and I have to warehouse that exactly right . Well , the print on demand model is very favorable for entity like me. Okay. Um, where you really, I had no idea. I had no idea how many books I would be able to sell. Um, so , uh, basically the way it works is that I get a monthly report from mill city, press my publisher about , uh, the books that were sold like 45 days prior. Like it's very delayed. And honestly, like I have no idea if it's accurate, like this is actually kind of an issue because of the way, just because of the route that I chose. But listen, you know, the reason I wrote it was, you know, I'm not a career author, right . The reason I wrote it was to promote the business. Sure . Um, so I'm happy that it's out there. I'm happy that the people that I wrote it for are , are seeing it and they seem to, they seem to be, they seem to like it. Um, and like, I don't make a lot of money on every book sold. So it's not as if something that's gonna help me retire at any point soon at this point, like, cause I had to spend a lot of money to get it published. I had to pay for editors. I had to pay for designers and cop , uh, people that helped me with the , um, the citations in the back. Like this is a whole, like the whole act of, okay, now I have a finished manuscript and I have to take it to print. It's a very expensive process to finalize everything. So I've since covered my costs. Now it's gravy and it's promoting the business and it's a good piece of , uh , it's a good piece of legitimate collateral that we have to showcase to the world about who we are. So job, well, you know, job, the mission accomplished, I guess I would say.
Papamutes:Nice. Okay, cool. Cool. Now , um , just a little side note , uh, my agent, you met playing lacrosse at Penn state, is that correct? That's correct. And , uh, he's looking and he's asking me for some inside information on fantasy football coming up. Are you still heading that? Are you still leading the pack there? He's looking for some inside scoop
Patrick:If I am not the guy to ask. So we happened to be in a very competitive fantasy football league
Papamutes:That ,
Patrick:Uh, it was started by myself and this other guy , uh, that we , we worked together at the time. This was right out of college. We had a lot of time on our hands. That's why he went to college. Exactly. We had a lot of time on our hands. We spent most of our working days, like just figuring out this fantasy football league with all these like really complicated rules. And it's just, it's absolutely bonkers. And of course your agent , uh , is one of the key key members of that. And , uh , as time has gone on and all of us have become more busy, it's like, I've gotten so much worse. I was like so good at it then. And I've just, I've gone in a tailspin. So I am not the person to ask football advice. I actually, in the book, I talk about my goals as a fantasy football owner and it's in the league that your agent is in. But the funny thing is, is he, like he was the worst. He was the worst player for the longest time. How I am now taking that throne . I am now taking that from him as the worst person in the
Papamutes:League. So you would want advice from him? It looks like,
Patrick:Ah , I mean, I would rather, I would rather come in dead last for the rest of my life then than willingly go to him for advice. But , uh , I had too much pride.
Papamutes:All right . So now you're a bill fan, is that correct? Yes. Now how'd that happen since you're in long island? Bad luck?
Patrick:Um, yeah, no, really. I have no ties to Western New York or anywhere where , like where I grew up, it's all jets fans and giants fans. Um, I, my dad was never really like when he was growing up, he wasn't that much into football. He had a business partner that was from Buffalo and they went up there and he went to a game or two, and this was right as Jim Kelly was being drafted. So it was a good time to be a bills fan. So my dad got really into it and uh, you know, Mike Myers stuck, he pledged it, but then of course like I'm born. Well actually I will take a step back then the first super bowl that they're in 1991, they're playing the giants chip shot field goal to win the game. Scott Norwood goes wide, right? Misses the misses , the field goal. The Bill's lose as a tragic loss. I am born the next day. My mother hates when I tell this story, but my father , uh, and the doctor who delivered me were both very hung over at my birth. But the thing is the doctor was a giants fan. So he was very happy and energized to be there. My father was sad and , uh , and hung over for the wrong reasons. Oh, well , yeah. So I was born that next day. The bills went to three consecutive super bowls after that, lost everyone . And it's been a Rocky road since then, until now where, Hey, I'm cashing in all my checks. I think
Papamutes:They, I will predict on the pop mutes podcast that they will win the Super-bowl, maybe not this year, but I see it happening , uh, which leads me to , uh , an OJ question. As we know, as you know, OJ played for the Buffalo bills prior to your existence prior to the, you know, the wide, right. Or was it wide left? I can't remember wide right. Wide. Right. You've never won a super bowl and he's not the leading rusher for Buffalo. Do you know who the leading rusher is? All time.
Patrick:Oh, is it Fred Jackson?
Papamutes:It is not Thurman
Patrick:Thomas. Yes. Herman Thomas. That was the easy
Papamutes:Answer. Thurman Thomas, 11,938 yards. Uh, yeah. So Jay takes a back seat on that one. Um, that's a good thing. Yes. Uh, so now we're going to move into, instead of join or die, it's dead or alive. Are you ready for that segment? I'm going to give you a name, famous person. You told me if you're dead or alive. Papa mutes. T-shirt is on the line here. Wow. Okay. Here we go. Better alive. Charles Schulz comic strip peanuts. You remember peanuts?
Patrick:Yeah.
Papamutes:Ooh. Confidence. Correct? Thought . I'd catch it here. Okay . Michael J. Fox.
Patrick:He's alive.
Papamutes:Wow. Bang it.
Patrick:I watched American president for the first time. A couple of weeks ago. He's phenomenal. He was a great actor.
Papamutes:I know it is. Sorry. I'm taking a sip. I don't know .
Patrick:Penn state Penn state mode . There you go. Yeah . All that .
Papamutes:Uh, let's see. Christie alley actress in cheers. Popular show .
Patrick:Yeah. She's I think she's alive. She's been in all those Revlon commercials, right?
Papamutes:I don't know. I'm asking. You got to take one side.
Patrick:I'm going to say she's alive. That is correct.
Papamutes:All right . Michael, Michael Bolton singer.
Patrick:He's alive,
Papamutes:Right ? Wow. You haven't been drinking enough. Usually guys are stumbling on this. Reggie Bush football player, new Orleans saints.
Patrick:I wish he was still in the league. I love , I love watching that guy play football
Papamutes:Fantasy. Pick Dr . Seuss. Children's author animator doctors.
Patrick:Dr. Seuss is dead and he since been canceled, which is an absolute shame. I agree..
Papamutes:Okay. All right . Now this segment, I think it's might be a first I'm losing track because you know, I hit the sauce. Um, this is celebrity characters. I'm going to give you the character. In other words, Rocky would be obviously Sylvester. Stallone. Ooh. All right. So, well, let's see. Here we go. Who played Bobby Boucher?
Patrick:Adam. Sam,
Papamutes:Correct? This could be sweet. How about Jack Dawson?
Patrick:Jack Dawson?
Papamutes:Yes. This is a classic. I mean, oh ,
Patrick:Um ,
Papamutes:Jack Dawson back the nineties.
Patrick:Oh my God. Leonardo DiCaprio.
Papamutes:There you go. Titanic.
Patrick:I got, I got thrown off. I thought it was Dawson's Creek for a second.
Papamutes:That's why I put it in there. You know, I got a little tricky on him . Um, who else? Coach Herman Boone.
Patrick:Oh man. What's his name? Oh, Herman Boone is a coach. Boone is a Denzel Washington. I was thinking it was , uh , what's the active , the , the white guy. The other
Papamutes:In that
Patrick:Movie? Yeah. What's his name? Um , also what's the character's name ?
Papamutes:[inaudible]
Patrick:He's great. He's in a bunch of movies. He's an Armageddon. Yeah. Yeah. He's I do not know his name.
Papamutes:Yeah. Well, he's still cashing in. How about this one? Going back in time? Maybe? I shouldn't say that. Matt Hooper.
Patrick:Oh, that's Dreyfus. Richard Dreyfus, right? Yes. Joe
Papamutes:Sweeping right through. Oh good. Here we go. Last one. Maximus or radius?
Patrick:Gladiator. Yes.
Papamutes:Smoke .
Patrick:Well, I don't know . I didn't even know who the actor is . Oh, come on. Now . I called the movie out. Um , I do not know who plays that. Oh, come on
Papamutes:Maximus ,
Patrick:Man . I don't, I can't figure it out a face. Very famous, but it's not the oh. Who plays max Maximus? Yes. Oh, that's Russell Crowe, correct. Okay. That's it clean?
Papamutes:We wow. Shocked the nation. We're prepping all day. I don't think you haven't missed anything. Well, here we go. Now we're ready for your rolling. Uh , now we're ready for name that movie now moving number one.
Speaker 4:Really what's wrong with which one would you know? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? You're projecting , dropping. You drop it. It's not projecting on me. Why don't you go enjoy yourself. I go ice my balls and spit up blood. Drop it . A team player.
Patrick:Wedding Crashers.
Papamutes:Nice. Are you just going to be a clean sweep? You could go down and pop the mutes history here. This
Patrick:Is, yeah. I'm trying to keep my calm here, but I'm pretty excited.
Papamutes:Here we go. Next one.
Speaker 4:I haven't. Your outfit wants to stay. That's one thing I can do a party's over. So I can't leave until at least reinforcements . You got three minutes to gather your gear. So what about them? I mean, there's very hardly,
Patrick:That's saving private Ryan that opening scene, you know,
Papamutes:Maybe the greatest opening scene ever.
Patrick:Yeah. Very, very top date . The , uh , Spielberg did not , he had, I don't know , 15 or 20 different cameraman on the beach. He gave them no direction. He didn't tell them a single thing that was going to happen. Okay . You just planted them there and said film. That happens. All of those things you see are actual cameramen that are freaking the hell out, trying to spin around like crazy and capture all the shots and that they're just, it's, it's literally filming real chaos, just like a brilliant move by Spielberg to be able to capture the, the real , uh, the real feeling of, of what he was trying to get away with .
Papamutes:Well , one of my famous favorite movies, as far as , uh, I mean, it's just great grateful, like, all right . So I'm trying to throw me off here. I think it's a clean sweep. Have you missed any
Patrick:Questions? No, I'm on a roll right now.
Papamutes:Rolling. Get him. All right , here we go.
Speaker 5:Let's just calm down.
Speaker 6:I can calm down. He, drugged, I lost a tooth. I married a whore, How dare you? She's a nice lady.
Papamutes:Got it. I can tell
Patrick:That's a hangover . Oh God. That's so classic class .
Papamutes:Unbelievable. Another classic. Um, all right . Now this is going to test you. I will say this is , this is a classic all time movie. I'll just give you that. Here we go.
Speaker 5:It's not as if she were a maniac arraigning thing. She just goes on mad . Sometimes we all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you,
Patrick:You may have gotten me there.
Papamutes:I'll take a sip while you think about that.
Patrick:Uh, so it almost sounded like Bill Murray.
Papamutes:Uh, it's definitely not him. Yeah. I would say I'll give you a hint it's way before bill Murray. So, but it's one of those movies. That's so classic that you may have seen it, but not a lot.
Patrick:Yeah. I mean, it sounds the sort of thing, like it's the shining, but that did not sound
Papamutes:Like
Patrick:E T like I know . Well, that's a universal it's.
Papamutes:Yeah. I'm not . I might be saying the wrong location, but it's one of those, it's one of those movies that they created a ride.
Patrick:I created a ride. Oh my God. I feel like I should know this. I don't know . I'm going to have to, I'm going
Papamutes:To , he's going to
Patrick:Defer . I'm going to defer.
Papamutes:All right . Should I call on this one? I guarantee he don't know it anyway. It's psycho.
Patrick:Psycho. Yeah. I've never seen that, Anthony. Oh,
Papamutes:You got to watch that with the, oh, by the way. You're you're engaged. Correct? I am. I am. Now. Here's how to test your marriage. Okay. Watch this movie with her. See if she wants to marry you afterwards.
Patrick:I was going to say, watch, watch that movie with her and see if she can put up with the night terrors that I'll be having and screaming in my sleep for the next month and a half. It was , I can't handle scary movies. Yeah .
Papamutes:All right. Last one. Here we go. All right .
Speaker 7:I can live anywhere. I want to get away with in this neighborhood availability. I want to stay close to everything, because being on the spot, I can see trouble. Immediately. Trouble is like a cancer. You got to get it early. You don't get it ealry, it kills you, That's why you got to cut it out.
Patrick:Now yinz can't leave .
Papamutes:Now that's another. I should put that scene in there.
Patrick:Oh God, what?
Papamutes:Incredible. Wait , I need, I need the name. Bronxtale there you go. Boom.
Patrick:Why don't I use kit ? They shutting the door now he's can't leave. And then you got the scene where the fat guy is just wishing the other guy against the bar.
Papamutes:Classic. One of my favorite , uh , classic. I mean ,
Patrick:Um , that to me is like, anytime that's on cable , um, I I'm upon it. I have to cancel my plans. Right .
Papamutes:It's one of those movies. It could be in the middle of the movie and you watch.
Patrick:Yep . And that doo-wop song gets stuck in your head for the rest of the week. Okay .
Papamutes:And the , uh, if you locked it or you put the, the door, test
Patrick:The door. Oh yeah .
Papamutes:If she doesn't open that door, you dump her. Dump her?. Yeah. You dump her.
Patrick:And you only think about all the time. Anytime someone owes me money. Yeah. That's good advice. It all wrapped up with Joey dumps. [inaudible] so look at it this way, you paid him $20 to never have to work , to get him out of your life. It was like , you got away. Lucky, Joey dumps
Papamutes:That's you know what? It's great.
Patrick:Everyone needs a sunny in their life. He's just filled with wisdom.
Papamutes:They actually made a Broadway show on that.
Patrick:Really? Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. That only ran for a little while.
Papamutes:I'm telling you unbelievable. I'm in the
Patrick:Bedroom.
Papamutes:Put him in the bathroom . There's so many scenes. It's unbelievable. Oh my God. All right . So, well,
Patrick:Let's put it, I'm upset that I didn't get the clean sweep. I gotta be honest
Papamutes:Then Luke. Sure . Jesus Christ. Um, so what's , what's in the future besides marriage what's coming up work wise personal. Well, not personal, but you know,
Patrick:So yeah, the , the marriage is definitely on the horizon. Definitely . I mean , I hope
Papamutes:Maybe not after this podcast.
Patrick:So yeah. I mean, it's, it's tough. So we're getting married next year, next April. So we're still a ways out. We planted far enough advanced to try to be able to like space some things out with everything that's happening in the world. Right. Um, but , uh, yeah. So that's, you know, who knows what happens after that? Um, as far as work stuff goes, like things are going well, we're actually , um , we're going to be opening an office in Philadelphia. No really?
Papamutes:In Person podcast
Patrick:In person podcast, actually, I think it's right in center city. So , um, yeah, we're, we're expanding out there. We , uh, we have one guy that, that recently kind of moved out there and we were taking advantage of that to be able to say open up a second office gets new talent, so exciting stuff happening there. Um, just a lot of , a lot of, you know, the , the job is hard, but , uh, it's fun. It's , I've been here for six plus years at this point. It's been a fun ride and , uh , who knows what the future holds, just taking it one day.
Papamutes:Awesome. Now, if you're in Philly, you know, you're next to , you're not far from money. Oh yeah. I mean, he's working from home I'll because, you know, situation, but
Patrick:Because nobody will let him out in public
Papamutes:That could be a dangerous , uh , reunion there. Uh , you know, he's right in center city. So
Patrick:Yeah. It's , uh, I haven't, I haven't told a lot of people about this yet. Cause I'm actually worried about , uh, what's going to happen when I have to take work trips into Philadelphia and then God knows what's going to happen after that.
Papamutes:Yeah. He was telling me about the , uh, wow . You know, the happy valley of the Adventures. Have you ever been to the compound?
Patrick:Yeah, that was right after I graduated though, but I went back and had my share of , um , you know, visits to the compound.
Papamutes:Unbelievable. Unbelievable. It a great spot. It's a great spot, man. Wow. I should have videotaped that. That was like, I mean, it's hard to describe, I mean, it was out of a movie.
Patrick:Yeah. Honestly you could be playing a quote from any of these things that could have been recorded. Now you really can't because you're stuck to the couch. It's absolutely.
Papamutes:It's unbelievable. It was like , you live here.
Patrick:Yeah. And we all did it though. I mean, I know like, oh yeah. I can't even get it to our place was disgusting too.
Papamutes:Yeah . I mean, that's just a great, it's a great school. I mean, outside of that,
Patrick:And other than the trash in the field, the, you know, the 10 years off your life, it takes you. It's a fantastic institution of higher learning.
Papamutes:Fantastic. Pat . I really appreciate you coming on taking the time. Hopefully we can do it again sometime, maybe in person We'll have shits come on as a special guest.
Patrick:Oh yeah. We'd love that.
Papamutes:I like that idea. Thanks again, pat.
Patrick:Thank you.
Papamutes:All right. I want to thank pat for coming on again. I really appreciate his time. He's a busy guy. We had some fun. Um, he did well, I think with the exception of maybe Joe yo in episode three , um, he only missed one question in the fun segments. Um, I'd have to back check on that, but anyway, did a great job. Uh, and I appreciate him coming on. So till next time you're busy living or get busy dying thinking
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