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We are cultivate cultivate cultivate cultivate cultivate cultivate we are cultivate
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Hello and welcome to Yeal Crime where we discuss the funny strange and obscure crimes of Yesteryear
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I'm your host Lindsay Valenti and join me today in place of Maddie is my friend
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Caitlyn
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Yay, I could never replace Maddie
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This is true. She's pretty irreplaceable, but she's pretty awesome. She kind of rocks my socks all the way off
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She's an appreciate that. Yay. Yeah, Maddie is recuperating from surgery
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I'm not gonna explain what kind of surgery it is, but just know that it went well and she's just super super tired
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Which is fair? So I was like I'm not gonna make you talk to me when you are hyped up on drugs and should be resting
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Could be really interesting content, but maybe another time maybe another time when she probably isn't gonna be like falling asleep as she's talking to me
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Yeah, that probably wouldn't be very interesting
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There's just long pauses where I'm like waiting for her to respond and then I'm like, okay, they're mine moving on
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moving on
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So I have a quick correction cubby. I feel so bad about this so last week. I miss named Trevin's podcast
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It should be live laugh larceny not live love larceny
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I think I was in a weird fuchsate when I said that so I am sorry Trevin
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I already apologized to him like via DM so he's all good, but I want to acknowledge it to everybody else
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So no one comes at me and it's like actually
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Michael Trevin
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No, they're so kind and they're so nice
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While that would be a fabulous name, some people grow quite attached to the names of their shows so yeah
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That makes like the second time that I've misnamed somebody's podcast, but both time people have been pretty good about it so
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Yeah, I'm hoping I don't do it a third time and someone's like listen
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You know what now I've already planted in your head the misnomer that we were given, PNW Humps
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Humps, it was sort of a the vowel sound was a little vague so it was Humps or Humps and Humps eyes
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It's a fun one you know about about changing it if I'm honest
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Yeah, I think it should be a patreon only series where you have like smooth jazz in the background
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You know I like wear your headset I'm taking that into advisement
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Oh I suppose that's a good segue
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Caitlyn you should probably tell people where you're from because I didn't say you're a podcast you're from
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That's fair, that's fair we just know each other and we're like I know you everybody you know her
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And they're like we really don't really we don't yes
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So I am one half of the podcast PNW Humps and Homsides
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Yes, we hail from I've been told that apparently this is something not everybody knows
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P&W is the Pacific Northwest so just in case I was coming across a little mysterious
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I suppose that helps for like our international listeners who are like I don't know what P&W stands for
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Yeah and I dread to think about some of the different combinations that people could come up with
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It's probably better to be on front straight about it
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This is true
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So another quick thing I'm going to mention before we get into the episode is I want to shout out our patrons
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Our lovely patrons over on patreon
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So thank you so much to Jenna Shunifer and Tom
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And if you would like to join their ranks you can do so for as little as $1 a month over on patreon
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So that's patreon.com/eoldprimepodcast
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Here's a link in our show notes if you were interested
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I'm interested
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Of course you are
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So this week we are going to be traveling to Sweden
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And I'm going to do my best to pronounce things properly
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But we are going to be discussing Helga de la Brache
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Are you familiar with her at all?
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I'm really I'm racing through the memory bank and I think I'm coming up empty
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Excellent
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So information was pulled from the following sources
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The 2023 list first article by Jessica
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The 2022 historic mysteries article by Risen Everard
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2019 Mental Floss article by Christy Puchko
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And 1910 Wayne News article
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Stylist article by Kate Lieber
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Liquid Search and two Wikipedia links
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And we will have links to all of these articles in the show notes
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But a separate list as well just of our can you crack the cramp word segments
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Back before blood tests
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You could be whoever you wanted as long as you had a great story
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Even a princess
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That is living
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I would have been so good at this
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I would have been the best
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I'm not a great liar typically but for the life of a princess
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I'll muster
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Yeah, I'll pull out all the stops to be a princess let's be real
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In 1812 King Gustaf Adolphus IV
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Who had been living in exile after he was deposed as the king of Sweden in the coup in 1809
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Divorced his wife, Federica of Bowden
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Years later, Helga shared that she was the product of his and Federica of Bowden's reunion
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When they secretly remarried, quote, "in a convent in Germany"
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And quote
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Not my dream choice of wedding venue
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I'm currently on the prowl but it's a choice
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It is a choice
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The most romantic one could argue know
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But you do you
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Monarchs can do what they want
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Sometimes you got to consider the budget
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This is true
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I'm an exile we were already divorced
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This convent here
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I don't think the nuns are going to charge us anything but you know
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I don't know
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Save the romance for the honeymoon in my darling
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That's true
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She was born in Lausanne in 1820
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But raised in secret by King Gustaf IV's aunt
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Princess Sophia Albertine of Sweden
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To ensure she wouldn't be viewed as a claimant to the royal throne
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She was also placed in Sophia's care due to the fact that Federica, her mother, was placed in a asylum
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Oh, okay, so not an ideal place to come up at the kid
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No
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So I think that tracks?
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Upon Sophia's death in 1829, Helga was taken to the Vodstinena asylum in Lincheping at the age of nine
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Under the guise of being insane
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So she could be raised in secret with her true identity, living from the world
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Why is everything got to be shrouded in so much mystery?
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And why is the answer a silence?
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Yeah, there's a lot of that
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Real asylum heavy on this story so far
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Not my first choice for places to you know, be shrouded in mystery
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No
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But you know, you do you
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Not so much
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Yeah, my gosh
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Helga lived in the asylum until 1834 when she was released at the age of 14
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Into the care of her family in Bowden
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While there, she was placed under house arrest
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Again, to keep her true identity a secret
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Oh boy
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She is just all of the aliases
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I mean, does anyone know who she really is?
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What does she even look like?
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I don't know
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Does she know who she is at this point?
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Exactly
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Why am I not allowed to see anybody?
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Yeah
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Her father passed away not long after she was reunited with her family
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Dying on February 7th, 1837 at the age of 58
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Overcome with grief at the news, Helga was once again taken to an asylum in Sweden at the age of 17
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The Bowden family who had gone to extreme lengths to keep her existence hidden
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Fear that if she were to suddenly speak out about her true identity while in a state of such grief
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Her words would only be viewed as those of a mad woman
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I mean, probably a fair assumption
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But you know, that is rude
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I know
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Historical woman thing
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I'm not a fan
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And again, why is the default asylum?
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There are other places that exist
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My gosh
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I mean, can we circle back to the convent idea?
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Yeah, pretend she's still wanting to join a better-
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A lot of them weren't better
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A lot of them weren't better
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A lot of them weren't better
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A lot of them weren't better at that point in history
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But I just switch it up, try something different
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Yeah, there are enough castles in the world in Europe where you probably could have found one
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So she could hide away in and it would be fine
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There's gotta be
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Yeah, that's the castle I want to live in
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I want to live in the small hidden away castle where I can live shrouded in history
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Yes
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Who's that girl?
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Yeah
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It's a mystery
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I love that, we're huge new girl fans
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You had me at who's that girl?
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Who's that girl?
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Don't know
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It wasn't long before she managed to escape, living off the charity of strangers sympathetic to her plight
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She started to appear in society
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And her requests for support were granted by Queen Mother, Yosufina, who provided her with a generous yearly pension of
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$1,000 reak stroller a year or around $19,450 as of 2015
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Okay, so it's something but that's not supporting your princess lifestyle
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No, not by a long shot
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In 1850 at the age of 30, she started to publicly discuss her royal lineage and began to petition the reigning monarch
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King Oscar the first for a yearly allowance
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Uh oh, yeah
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However, not everyone believed that Helga was who she claimed to be and her pension payments were halted
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She soon began to accumulate debts to the people who had been supporting her
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Deats she had no means to pay back
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Oh, double, uh oh
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I think it's another one of those classic cases of living above your means
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Kind of in a way, yeah
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Like girlfriend, for all intents and purposes, you are a peasant just like the rest of us, unfortunately, for you
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It's important for you, yes
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Helga had many private benefactors, including Salon hostess Frances Luan von Kook
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Who was the spouse of the Minister of Justice, Neal's von Kook
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The pair provided her with lodging as well as a lawyer
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Which is an interesting combination
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I mean that's moving on up in the world
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You got a house, you have legal representation
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Pretty good?
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Yeah, alright
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I'm digging it
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She also was supported by Anders Booser, a member of Parliament and the Royal Court chaplain Carl Norby
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Everyone who met her had no reason to doubt her as she seemed too sensible, almost naive, to be able to come up with any sort of half-truths
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Okay
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That's a tough one to argue against, I think at that point
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She's just a simple country girl, you know
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Yeah
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All that asylum life
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(laughs)
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Well, you know, if you're really wealthy, I suppose you don't have to be clever
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This is true, you can't
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What your money do the talking for you?
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There you go, I am ready
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I know
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Let me look at that Princess life
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Yes
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11 years after her pensions had been cut
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She petitioned to the Swedish government once more requesting her royal annuity
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Which she was granted from the foreign department in March of 1861 by King Charles XI
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Following a meeting he had with her, after which he claimed the members of Parliament "Why she is just as sane as you or me"
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And "Imagine that"
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And a woman
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(laughs)
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Yes, honestly that should be surprising after all of that time in so many asylum
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(laughs)
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How did she do it?
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You know, I think she's okay
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You know, up here
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(laughs)
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It's like the 1830s version of "You can have it all"
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Exactly
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Maybe she's born with it, maybe it's not mental illness
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(laughs)
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That's perfect
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T-M-T-M
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T-M-T-M-T-M-T-M
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By this point, many members of not just the Swedish Parliament
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But also the royal family became divided on their stance of whether or not Helga was in fact royalty
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Prime Minister Louis Dacier and four minister Ludwig Monderstrom were firmly in the camp of those that believed her to be a fraud
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Well, they sound like they have the most dickish names
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So I'm not surprised
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Your names are hard to say
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Exactly
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You're wrong
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Yeah
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Helga once again received a government pension this time of $2,400 Swedish week dollar
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Which as of 2015 would be around $7,500
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As well as furniture be fitting up princess
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Okay, well listen
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Maybe if somebody's putting me up in a nice spot
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I can learn to live on the little less
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You know, keep that girlish figure
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By trimming down the grocery budget
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Maybe she had a victory garden, you don't know
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I mean, it's anyone's guess, you know
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Exactly
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Ye old dietary accommodations
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Respections
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You know
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To be fair, she also continued to receive charity from her many supporters
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So she might have been living actually pretty good
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They didn't say anywhere how much she was making from her supporters
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So hard to say
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Hard to say
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Many members of the royal family viewed her lineage as legitimate
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While many fins and suites who knew of her assumed she was merely receiving unfair treatment by the current rating monarchy
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I mean, when has that ever happened though?
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I know
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Never
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They are known for their generous spirit and kindhearted acts of good will
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Toats
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Toats
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A long time female companion of Helga backed up her claims as a member of the royal family
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She was a well-spoken and properly educated woman
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Which helped assure those who doubted Helga of the validity of her claims
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This is an interesting thing that I came across
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Any press who wanted to verify her claims by reaching out to her mother were blocked
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Due to the fact that any communication with de-throwned royalty was illegal in Sweden
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Okay, well that complicates things just a touch
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And she was also I think still in an asylum
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So that also puts a little bit of a
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On whether or not what she said could be trusted
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Yeah, I guess you got to grease the wheels for you know some orderly there at the asylum
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Just put her out on the window you know like with the TV people and then I'll just you know slide on in and they'll be fine
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Yeah, that is the ye old version of sliding into someone's DMs
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Totally
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Solved it
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Hey girl, how's it going? You look real good
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Hey girl, hey, so what is the sit still me the 411?
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Am I the drama?
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At least until 1870 when Carl Norby wrote an essay about her that was published in the paper
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Which brought up more questions than answers prompting an investigation
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Oh, so people are like this is okay, there's some entry here
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Mm-hmm, maybe we pull it that thread just a little bit just a little bit
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Yeah, in 1876 under the reign of King Oscar the second people started to question if Helga was actually the person she claimed to be
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Which resulted in a trial
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Oh, I okay what kind of a trial
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I'm a little nervous now
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At this time Helga was 56 years old
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Okay, well does it seem like it kind of doesn't matter
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I mean at this point I'd say no but I mean they're royalty so yeah I get it
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During the trial which took place between 1876 and 1877
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Helga spilled it all providing her real identity that of Aurora Florentina Magnison
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Oh, all the hottest tea, mm-hmm, just build all of it
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Aurora Florentina Magnison was born on September 6th, 1817 in Stockholm, Sweden
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Her father was a custom caretaker named Andesh Magnison who passed away when Aurora was 9 in 1826
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She was one of five children and under the care of a widow mother whose social standing was nowhere near Andesh who was well educated
297
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Oh, okay
298
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It was at her confirmation that her mother was overheard saying that Aurora wasn't her biological child
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Clearly her foster child
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Oh, I know there's so much tea in this
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Aurora's mother listed her quote-unquote "real parents" as members of the upper class
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Count Dequeer and an unmarried noblewoman
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Shut the front door
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Scandal
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Ah
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Whether this was true or not, these simple statements would leave a profound and lasting impression on Aurora
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Regardless of her father's social status, Aurora was only able to receive a basic education
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In an 1835 at the age of 18, she became employed as a maid and bookkeeper to the headman family
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She was only with them for a short time, just three years, as they believed she was "above her station"
310
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Okay, when they say that, do they mean she was acting as if she was above her station?
311
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Okay
312
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Oh, yeah, I wonder why she thinks she's...
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Yeah, like, she literally thinks she is
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Yeah, like, I shouldn't have to clean for you guys, I'm above you
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I'm trying to live my best princess life
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And I'll be honest, my job duties are kind of getting in the way of that
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Yeah
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Like, same
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Yeah, you're totally harsh in my groove
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(laughs)
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Aurora then went on to be hired in 1838 by the wealthy merchant, Henryk Auspedgrian, on Vesterlaungaten 78
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Where she assisted the women of the family as they prepared for the balls they attended as a seamstress
323
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Oh, okay, so she might be getting, like, a little bit closer to the action?
324
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Mm-hmm
325
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I was getting, like, Cinderella type vibes right here, 'cause she's, like, helping them with their dresses and stuff
326
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This is, like, major, Bridgerton vibes
327
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Mm-hmm
328
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Given a glimpse of the type of life she so desperately wanted, Aurora implored one of the daughters to allow her to live with the family, proclaiming that she was homeless and had nowhere to go
329
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This daughter, Henryk Auspedgrian, became totally enamored with Aurora, gifting her expensive clothes before the pair eventually left the Auspedgrian household altogether
330
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What?
331
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Now, like, I don't want to, like, spread rumors or anything
332
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Right? I think I know where you're going with this
333
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Given this was, like, in the 1800s
334
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But, in, like, the stories that I read, it made it seem like they were a little closer than just good friends
335
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You don't say
336
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So, I don't know
337
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Yeah
338
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I don't know, and you'll kind of get it as I go through their dynamic, but it just seemed a little, like, they were more bosom buddies
339
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Yeah
340
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And then--
341
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There's a little more to it
342
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Yeah, 'cause I was just, like, that seems, like, really odd to just all of a sudden be, like, I love this girl so much that I'm gonna, like, run away from my house
343
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And we're gonna do our own thing together
344
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Right, especially coming from, you know, obviously some privilege
345
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To just say, I'm walking away from that
346
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Mm-hmm
347
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Yeah
348
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It's a big statement
349
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It is, so I was like, mm-hmm
350
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I wonder if there's a little bit more to that
351
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And if there is, you go girls
352
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But get it, you know, like, I just-- that was a little intrigued by that
353
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Yeah
354
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In 1844, the pair moved to Finland
355
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where Aurora changed her name to Aurora Florentina Dula Brosh, which was the last name of the royal family
356
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Oh, I see what she did there
357
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Mm-hmm
358
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The following year in 1845, she changed her name once more to Anna Florentina Dula Brosh
359
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The transition to her new persona of Dula Brosh was cemented when Aurora Magnison was reported as drowned
360
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Oh, okay, so now we're faking our death
361
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Mm-hmm
362
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Okay, I'm guessing it wasn't for life insurance money, but--
363
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I don't think so, I think it was more like, I need to bury this, like this needs to go away
364
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Wow, okay
365
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So, I was like, all right
366
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The name on her passport would eventually change to the name she was most commonly known as
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Helga Dula Brosh, while she and Henrika travel around Finland and Sweden
368
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during which time Henrika worked as a teacher in order to support their lavish lifestyle
369
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Okay, actually having to take a job, huh?
370
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I know
371
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That's tough times
372
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Yeah
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In 1846, Henrika established a lady's school in Turku, Finland
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capitalizing on the Dula Brosh name to appeal to the masses
375
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There are even accounts that Helga mastered the art of the fainting spell
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to avoid unpleasant questions and situations from parents
377
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Hello
378
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Okay, so--
379
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Where did you say this school was?
380
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You know, just Turku, Finland is fine
381
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Okay, yeah, all right, well we'll wrap this up because I do have a flight to catch, right?
382
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Oh no
383
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Two years later in 1848, the pair relocated to Orobro before moving to Sala in 1857
384
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where the pair attempted to create a fashion store but the project failed before it could really begin
385
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,100
Okay, so I mean where did they go wrong?
386
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Are these like yield crocs that they were trying to get out there?
387
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I don't know if it was something where it was like they couldn't get a business loan
388
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or maybe they didn't have enough collateral to, you know what I mean?
389
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I just jumped immediately on the like, it wasn't fashionable fashion
390
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That's the train that I got on
391
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I was like, listen, if they had good fashion sense, somebody would have funded them
392
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It was just too soon for the croc movement
393
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They needed to wait another hundred some years
394
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At least
395
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Yeah, too soon, it was just too soon
396
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They were way too fashion forward
397
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They were like a century or so too fashion forward
398
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Yeah, I would say
399
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Oh boy
400
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You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you
401
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:06,100
Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties
402
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:10,100
Can you hear me?
403
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,100
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404
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:17,100
I hope you don't mind that I am recording for investigative notes
405
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,100
It's a wax cylinder
406
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The only thing we've found that can pick up the voices of people in your condition
407
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,100
My name is Owen von Sid, I am a reclamer
408
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Do you know what that means?
409
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:30,100
No?
410
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:34,100
Well, I am sorry to inform you that you didn't make it
411
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Please try to remain calm
412
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The worst is over
413
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,100
Nothing can hurt you, not ever again
414
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:46,100
But the thing that did this to you, it is still out there
415
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,100
That is what we do
416
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I wake unfortunate souls, such as yourself
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Hear their stories
418
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Then my associates and I see to it
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That whoever or whatever did this to you is dealt with
420
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Now, let's begin
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When you are ready
422
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:07,100
Tell me, how did you die?
423
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Ghost Wax is an anthology horror podcast from far and tall tales productions
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New episodes releasing weekly
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Look for us wherever you get your podcasts
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Check them out creepy people
427
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,100
Their info is in our show notes
428
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:30,100
In the 1860s, the pair moved to Stockholm
429
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Where Aurora made the decision to profit off her fake identity
430
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Working to present herself as a long lost princess of Sweden
431
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Can't do that in crocs
432
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,100
No
433
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,100
People will be like, what the hell is going on with your feet girl?
434
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,100
I don't think so
435
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,100
Especially if you charm them out
436
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:54,100
The way that my co-host does
437
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:59,100
Cassie has a charm in every single one of her crockles
438
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,100
Oh wow
439
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,100
So you only have one in each of my crocs
440
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,100
Really?
441
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,100
Yeah
442
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,100
She do it up big
443
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,100
Yeah, I'm a little too basic
444
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,100
I'm not that cool
445
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,100
That's okay, that'd be me
446
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,100
I have one that's like a little Starbucks cup on one foot
447
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,100
And then the other one is a little boba thing
448
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:21,100
And I think it says suck my balls
449
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,100
Hello
450
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,100
Which I thought was the stereotypical
451
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,100
Caffeine and potty humor
452
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,100
And I'm there for that
453
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,100
Mm-hmm
454
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,100
I mean
455
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,100
What else is there?
456
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,100
I don't think I need to add any more to those crocs
457
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,100
They say enough as it is
458
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,100
No, you've got it
459
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:46,100
The trial drew royal and national attention
460
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With both classes waiting with baited breath for the verdict
461
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On March 2nd, 1877, Aurora was ultimately found guilty of fraudulently claiming to be a member of the royal family
462
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As well as registering herself under a false name, the year of birth
463
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:11,100
And for not tax registering herself for the year of 1877
464
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,100
Oh, tax fraud, that's always how they get you
465
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:18,100
Oh, man
466
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,100
You gotta pay your taxes
467
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,100
Yeah, especially if you're committing other crimes
468
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,100
Any tax professional will tell you
469
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,100
Yep
470
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,100
I feel like that was like a last little dick thing they added on there
471
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:34,100
And not only do you have a false name but you know, taxes
472
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,100
Taxes, you know
473
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,100
Death and taxes, that's the thing
474
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:46,100
That's exactly in my head, I'm just like death and taxes
475
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:52,100
Oh no, but are we gonna get a side of death with the taxes in this situation?
476
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:58,100
Well, surprisingly, she was sentenced numerous fines and somehow avoided jail
477
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,100
What?
478
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:06,100
Okay, now I fully think that that was, I mean, she was wrongfully convicted
479
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:11,100
Because if she really did it, they would have given her something harsh
480
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,100
Yeah, like, right?
481
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:14,100
Hard labor
482
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,100
They wouldn't do that to the princess
483
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,100
Even if they're trying to make her stay a secret princess
484
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:24,100
That's, um, convinced me otherwise, I don't think you can
485
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,100
Yep
486
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,100
Following the trial, Aurora and Henrica moved to an apartment together
487
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in the Clara Nora region of Sweden where they lived in seclusion
488
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The pair were described as nice old ladies
489
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Who were regularly seen walking in the park, ordered their food delivered to them at home
490
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And rarely spoke with others
491
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:51,100
Oh my god, this could be, well, this could be me and Cassie
492
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:53,100
This could be you and Maddie
493
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:54,100
Right
494
00:32:54,100 --> 00:33:00,100
I mean, how many friends did they have? Maybe this is you, me, Cassie and Maddie
495
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:04,100
Just living in our little, like, cute little old lady apartment
496
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I love that
497
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:07,100
I know
498
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,100
The pair surfaced briefly in 1884
499
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When King Oscar II spotted them roaming the drughtening home gardens
500
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,100
and had them removed from the property
501
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,100
Which is, I think, a little over the top
502
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,100
Come on, I was going to say
503
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,100
They're old
504
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,100
They're little old ladies
505
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,100
Have some class
506
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:31,100
Right, you don't need to kick them out of the garden, God
507
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,100
Give me a break
508
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,100
Even if there were fences, they're not going to be able to scale them
509
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,100
Let's be real
510
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,100
They're little ladies
511
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:39,100
Mm-mm
512
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:45,100
After this, the women moved to another apartment in Zjordgleton
513
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:50,100
Run by Mrs. Maria Charlotte Nyberg in an effort to avoid being arrested
514
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,100
I'm sure they're kind of paranoid at this point, like
515
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,100
I would think so
516
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:57,100
Like, the king kicked us out of his garden
517
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:58,100
Where's it going to go?
518
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,100
Yeah
519
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,100
We're going to go in peace
520
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:02,100
Exactly
521
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:09,100
Just a year later, Aurora passed away on January 11th, 1885 at the age of 67
522
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:13,100
As she lay on her deathbed, she shared with friend and artist
523
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,100
Gioch von Rosen
524
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:19,100
That she firmly believed she was of noble birth
525
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,100
Oh, I know
526
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:23,100
That's so sad!
527
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,100
I mean, if you think about it though
528
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,100
She was really kicking
529
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:34,100
I mean, a year before she died, she just like got casually kicked out of the king's garden
530
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,100
I know
531
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:37,100
Fuck
532
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:38,100
Right
533
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,100
Wow, that really puts my weekend into perspective
534
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,100
I know, I did nothing with myself
535
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:46,100
Wow
536
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:50,100
Okay, well, you know, something to aspire to
537
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:51,100
Mm-hmm
538
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,100
Maybe next weekend
539
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:53,100
I know
540
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,100
I need to up my game to get kicked out of someone's garden
541
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,100
Then I'll be kind of close to her level of cool
542
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,100
Right?
543
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:09,100
Politician Paer Ogoost Uonson sought to clear Aurora/Helga's name in 1909
544
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:14,100
In the November 3rd, 1910 edition of the Wayne News newspaper
545
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:20,100
An article ran titled "Sweetish Royalty Fighting Lawsuit involving a ruler"
546
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:22,100
Sections of the article are as follows
547
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:26,100
So I didn't do the whole thing, but I just kind of pulled out some interesting pieces
548
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,100
Ooh, a little juicy tidbit
549
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:30,100
Mm-hmm
550
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:40,100
Quote, "The amazing action will be resumed to recover $1,250,000 for around $40,000,000 today"
551
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,100
Ho-ha!
552
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,100
From the Swedish Royal Purse
553
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:50,100
The plaintiff is Pa Uonson, a member of the long sting
554
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:57,100
He not only seeks to recover the money, but also a number of letters he says were given to the royal family
555
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:01,100
By the late Anna/Helga/Dula-Brosch
556
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:09,100
Count von Rosen regards Miss Dula-Brosch as sincere in the claims she put forward during her life
557
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:15,100
He adds, quote, "If she did deceive, it was because she herself had been deceived
558
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:21,100
She had from her earliest childhood her statements from which sprang the conviction
559
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:26,100
to her dying hour that she was in truth the daughter of the king," end quote
560
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,100
Just fair
561
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:32,100
Yeah, I mean this is all based on what she was told
562
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:33,100
Mm-hmm
563
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:38,100
Quote, "After the pension was stopped, she made her first appearance at the foreign office
564
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:43,100
In general, Lagerheim tried to demonstrate the future of her pretensions
565
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:47,100
You think then," she cried, "that I am an imposter?
566
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,100
I don't think so.
567
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,100
I am sure of it."
568
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,100
Lagerheim was the reply of the director general
569
00:36:52,100 --> 00:37:03,100
Miss Dula-Brosch got up and went off, quote, "Looking more like a bad tempered woman found out that an offended princess," end quote
570
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:08,100
Okay, well those things just to be fair, they can look very similar
571
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:17,100
Well, it's like what does an offended princess do? Like throw her gloves or like drop a handkerchief and like, hoth away?
572
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:22,100
I, you know, I think we have a real world example of sort of the
573
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:29,100
One of these things is not like the other with the royal family right now
574
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:34,100
I think Kate is very much what this is what a princess should look like
575
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:39,100
And then Megan is apparently oftentimes not
576
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:43,100
Love her, hate her, whatever you think
577
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:50,100
Quote, "Mrs. Maria Charlotte Neiburg at whose house the claimant lodged during the last years of her life
578
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:56,100
Declares her guest frequently stated she was the issue of a secret marriage of King Gustaf's support
579
00:37:56,100 --> 00:38:02,100
She also said she met her father on the island of Fuyen in the sound about 1830
580
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:14,100
And received from him several letters of such importance to her fortune that subsequently $1,250,000 for the $40,000,000 that I mentioned before
581
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:20,100
Was deposited in her interest by her Russian relatives with the Swedish royal family
582
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:25,100
That is really great news if she can produce that letter, am I right?
583
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:26,100
Right
584
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:33,100
As to the incidental assertion put in by the defending attorney court auditor Lund Greene
585
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:42,100
That Miss Dubabrach was identical with a certain Anzora Florentina Magnuson, the daughter of a customs official
586
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:53,100
Mr. Blancwist, who was her legal advisor in 1870, has filed a law statement in disproof, declaring the allegation is "census"
587
00:38:53,100 --> 00:39:03,100
Okay, well, you know, let's stop throwing around this senseless hysterical crazy
588
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,100
We don't want to end up in the asylum again, do we?
589
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,100
I know
590
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:09,100
Fourth time, that's so great
591
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,100
It's already been there so much
592
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,100
Three times
593
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:16,100
Oh man, third time was not the charm
594
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:17,100
No
595
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:26,100
The 1910s brought to light some interesting new details about Helga's supposed mother, Frederika of Bowden
596
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:36,100
Prior to her divorce from King Gustavus of 4, she had named the Russian Zare Alexander I as the guardian of her children
597
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:44,100
With this new information brought to light, Helga would have been entitled to royal compensation
598
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:50,100
However, it didn't really matter since the Russian Revolution started in 1917
599
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,100
He and this was several years after her death
600
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:57,100
Ah, that is so annoying
601
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:04,100
So that is the story of Helga Dubabrach/Arora Florentina Magnuson
602
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,100
My gosh
603
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:11,100
I mean, she had some awesome names, Aurora, that's a pretty cool name
604
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:15,100
I was just thinking to myself, I love the name Aurora
605
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:17,100
It's all about sleeping beauty bags
606
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,100
Yeah
607
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:26,100
What do you think? Do you think she was just a con artist or do you think maybe she really truly thought she was?
608
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:33,100
Oh, I am team Princess Aurora/Helga all the way, for sure
609
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:39,100
If she wasn't actually royalty, I don't think that she knew any better
610
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:42,100
Yeah
611
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:52,100
Well, and given that she did grow up in a asylum, like who's to say what sort of things she would have thought up when she was there
612
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:59,100
I mean, what sort of orphan kid wouldn't be like, wouldn't be great if I was just a lost princess
613
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:02,100
In a rain? Yeah
614
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:09,100
And then the mind has great ways of convincing itself of certain truths
615
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,100
Oh, absolutely
616
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:17,100
And if no one came out until she was in her 50s saying, oh no, that's not right
617
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:21,100
How would she know any different?
618
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:26,100
Especially if people were like, we're going to put you under house arrest because you are this princess that's missing
619
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:30,100
We want to make sure nobody's going to do anything to you
620
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:35,100
Exactly, my god, what is she supposed to believe at that point?
621
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,100
Yeah, I agree
622
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:40,100
I don't know, that's... that's Helga for you
623
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,100
I think you mean Princess Aurora?
624
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:46,100
There you go, Princess Aurora of Sweden
625
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,100
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00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:18,100
Welcome to Life Curious Women's season 2!
631
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:23,100
I am so excited to share everything we've been working on for the past couple of months
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00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:30,100
Life Curious Women is where you will find honest conversations exploring women's experiences, learning, growing and healing
633
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:37,100
Join me @AshineDeen Lopez, a Latinx actor and a lifelong learner
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00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:44,100
As I interview fellow Life Curious Women in their journeys to finding or following their purpose
635
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:50,100
Life Curious Women grew out of a passion to share women's stories
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00:42:50,100 --> 00:43:03,100
I personally love meeting new people, hearing about what likes their fire and how they have followed their intuition and their passions
637
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:06,100
To create the life that they're living today
638
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:13,100
I think that there is power in community and power in listening to other people's stories
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00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:19,100
To help push and inspire you to follow your own passion and purpose
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00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:25,100
So, if you are working on your growth in your life, you need some inspiration
641
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:33,100
Or you're just interested in the stories of other women, come learn and join the Life Curious Women community
642
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:37,100
By listening to episodes weekly
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00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:42,100
This week's podcast plug is the Life Curious Women podcast
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00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:48,100
where you will find honest conversations exploring women's experiences, learning, growing and healing
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00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:59,100
Join Latinx actor and a longtime learner, Ashley Nadine Lopez, a she interviews fellow Life Curious Women in their journeys to finding or following their purpose
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00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:08,100
If you are working on growth in your life, you need some inspiration or are just played interested in the stories of other women, give it a listen
647
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:14,100
Love that! And she was on the last episode of Can You Crack the Cranport
648
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,100
Okay, I thought that sounded really familiar
649
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:22,100
Yeah, so you can, if you haven't listened to that episode, you can go back and check that out
650
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,100
But we'll have a link to her show in the show
651
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:30,100
And we have a listener question this week, so you get an opportunity to answer a listener question
652
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:39,100
Ooh! So our friend, Kieran, wants to know, would you travel back in time so you could stop Jack the Ripper
653
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:46,100
Or so you could gather more evidence before the bodies were discovered through the future to find out
654
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:51,100
That is so tough!
655
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:59,100
So I can just completely stop him, just nip that in the bud
656
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:08,100
Oh boy! But what is, oh man, dammit, Ashton, I'm thinking of the butterfly effect
657
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:20,100
I think I have to go back and collect more evidence, because I mean who knows what other aspects of history that I'm changing
658
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:27,100
And it pains me to say it, but uh, final answer, Regis!
659
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:37,100
Yeah, I agree with you, I think it's one of those things where it's horrible what happened to those canonical five
660
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:47,100
And who knows it happened to more women that we don't know about, because there was no Ripper letters about other women
661
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:51,100
Right! Seems like there's a high likelihood
662
00:45:51,100 --> 00:46:00,100
Especially given how there was pockets of time in between the first three, and then all of a sudden it was the second two
663
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:11,100
We're just super bam bam bam bam, yeah, and how it kind of escalated to that point like it didn't just start with minor incisions or anything in the first victim
664
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:25,100
Like it was like this guy knew what he was doing, so I feel like if I could go back it would definitely be together more evidence before he got to the point where he finally stopped
665
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:31,100
If that is in fact when he did one, so that's the thing, right?
666
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:43,100
It's so hard to look at some of the gaps in the case and say yes for sure the canonical five that's you know was he killing before that?
667
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:52,100
Did he continue killing after? Was he? I mean think about all of the conspiracies about other parts of the world that he may have traveled to
668
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:57,100
And cases all over the world that could be potentially leaked to him
669
00:46:57,100 --> 00:47:03,100
Like the H.H. Holmes theory that oh my god that theory it's a wild one
670
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:09,100
It is a wild one I was like oh my god I just can't see that that's not his MO though
671
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,100
That wasn't H.H. Holmes MO
672
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:18,100
She was all about like gassing people and all that other stuff
673
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:26,100
It doesn't really fit for me you know to my mind but I guess anything's possible
674
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,100
Anything is possible
675
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,100
This is true
676
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:35,100
Well thank you for that question Kitten, I hope you appreciate how it's possible
677
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,100
Yeah that was such a good question
678
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:44,100
All right ladies first what is something good you'd like to share this week?
679
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:51,100
Oh my goodness how did I get to this point and not even it never occurred to me think of you're something good
680
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,100
I know
681
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:58,100
Oh my gosh well I'm recently engaged and that in and of itself could be as something good
682
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:01,100
Congratulations, what's so excited
683
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:08,100
It would be really something good if I could remember to call my fiance that instead of boyfriend
684
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,100
But we're working on it
685
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,100
It's a working progress
686
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,100
It takes a little while to get used to saying that
687
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:18,100
It does yeah man he's got a whole new title it's a it's a promotion
688
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:27,100
So that's exciting we actually just visited the first of the two venues that we're gonna go and look at
689
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:34,100
We have another one this week and we spent a little bit of time with his parents this afternoon
690
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:40,100
To show them the venues online and it's starting to feel a little bit more real
691
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:45,100
So it's exciting it's a little bit stressful but yeah
692
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:49,100
It's mostly exciting so far
693
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,100
Yeah yeah yeah
694
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:56,100
Yeah that was that was a fun part for us like kind of figuring out where you're gonna have it
695
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,100
Yeah
696
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:00,100
And all the other little like details that go into it
697
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,100
Yeah
698
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:02,100
Have fun with that
699
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,100
It's fun
700
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,100
Yeah I think so it should be
701
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,100
All right
702
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:12,100
Now I'm like thinking in something good that I should that I can share
703
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,100
I knew this earlier
704
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:20,100
Well there's a real hassle trying to get this episode up
705
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,100
Let's see
706
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:32,100
I suppose my something good is the fact that my one coworker who works on my team
707
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,100
What up to
708
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:40,100
Who designed all of our artwork like our logo and stuff
709
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:41,100
That's so fun
710
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:43,100
I know
711
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:51,100
She was unable to make a work trip that she was originally scheduled for in New Orleans
712
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:56,100
So now it sounds like she's gonna be going to a trade show with me in the fall
713
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,100
Which I'm super excited about
714
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:03,100
And we're going to Washington DC and I've never been to DC before so I'm pretty excited
715
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:06,100
Hello Major score
716
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,100
Wow you're burying the lead there
717
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,100
I know so I'm pretty excited
718
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:15,100
That's something where the reason I thought of it is because my boss
719
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,100
Voked flights this week
720
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,100
She was like are you okay with these flights
721
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,100
No I was like yes
722
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,100
I can be at the airport if I have in the morning that's fine
723
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:26,100
I just won't sleep the night before it'll be great
724
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,100
Oh no
725
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:29,100
Yeah
726
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:34,100
Not excited about that but we'll get home around dinner time when the way back so it's fine
727
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:38,100
Yeah well that is going to be such a great trip
728
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:42,100
I have not been to Washington DC either
729
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:52,100
So you're going to have to fill me in on all of the things that you manage to cram into that little trip and let me know what's up
730
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:53,100
I know
731
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:57,100
She and I joke that we're going to try and like sit on Lincoln's lap
732
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:59,100
I'm not sure that's not going to happen
733
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,100
But ahh
734
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I mean we could try to spider-man our way up but I'm pretty sure someone's going to like try to arrest us if we do that
735
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,100
Jake can not do that
736
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I should do it
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00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:18,100
It's going to say I'm not entirely sure like you know #nothaloir
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But
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Do they frown on that?
740
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:29,100
Pretty sure it's frowned upon but to try to sit on a little pop a Lincoln's lap
741
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:37,100
But you know well maybe you can use the magic of photography to try and make it look like you're sitting on his lap
742
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:42,100
You know what I think I think I might know guy
743
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Or you know the magic workshop
744
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,100
But we can pretend
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00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,100
We can pretend
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00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,100
Yeah
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And on that note we're going to shut it down
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00:51:55,100 --> 00:52:00,100
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00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:04,100
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00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:12,100
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754
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:26,100
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755
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:29,100
And there are some others out there that I probably don't even know about
756
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:33,100
And this week's comes from Kids Apple Podcasts
757
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,100
Pretty sure it's Apple Podcasts
758
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:38,100
And it's from our friend Low Dandy
759
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,100
And it says interesting topics that keep you to the end
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00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:45,100
She says I met Lindsay in the awesome network and thought I should check out her show
761
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:49,100
And after listening to the first one I binged for a day
762
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:52,100
I don't even feel bad for listening to a true crime podcast
763
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:56,100
Because I feel like I'm learning about interesting historical happenings too
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00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,100
So true
765
00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:59,100
Thank you, Low
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00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,100
I recorded it with her recently for an upcoming episode of Can You Craft a Camboard
767
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:06,100
And he was very nice talking to her
768
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:09,100
I actually was also a guest on her show
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So when that comes out I will share it with our listeners
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00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:15,100
In case you're interested about my breastfeeding journey
771
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:16,100
So
772
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:19,100
Hello, yeah, that's a fun thing you can hear about
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00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,100
If that's your jam
774
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:23,100
You're really into learning
775
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:25,100
Yeah, I'm into learning and sharing
776
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:28,100
I'm a shareer, I'm a giver, I'm a lifelong learner
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00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,100
I love that
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00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:33,100
Got something you want to say?
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00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:37,100
She does an email over at yeoclinepodcast@gmail.com
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00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:41,100
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00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:43,100
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00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,100
We're pretty friendly
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00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:49,100
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00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:52,100
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00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:55,100
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786
00:53:55,100 --> 00:54:00,100
Or catch up with any of the other great creators that are part of the Cultivate family of podcasts
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00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:06,100
Just click the link in our show notes or over on our link tree to get started today
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00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:10,100
And on that note, as always, I'm Lindsay
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And I'm Caitlin
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