The Chateau at The Oregon Caves: Chilling History & Hauntings

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So since there's like a stream running through that's gonna be carrying some

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energy right? Hmm and not to mention like all the marble and like limestone and

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crystals and stuff in the game. Yeah like that shit holds on to energy too. It's

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true. Speaking of holding on to energy it's time for some spooky stuff. Oh so

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this is where we learn that everything is haunted forever. Everything is haunted

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forever and ever.

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Hi Caitlyn. Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people. Hello. If you're new to our creepy

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corner of the world this is PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true

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crime, the paranormal and all things creepy spooky in the Pacific Northwest and

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also bats and also bats. We also do a tarot reading in every episode for a

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little bit of deeper insight into our topic. Is our topic bats? I was just gonna

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say and sometimes also bats. We just really like bats. We're feeling it. Okay my

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episode we have bats. It's kind of funny because on my from my angle of you it's

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just a little bat wings poking up over your head. Oh really? It looks like he just

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has a little wings. Should I take a picture of you? That girl. Yeah. Is that Halloween? It feels like Halloween. I

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like got really excited. Got it in the mood. But like I'm also kind of feeling the

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summer vibe lately with my episodes. You know last time we went hiking in the

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creepy redwood forest that we did a real PNW summer. Nature, adventure, naked

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bike ride. Not this summer. I was gonna say actually I'm really really sad news about

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that. It got canceled. It's really sad. I don't know why though. Well I'll tell you

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we have news. Tell me. So the bats? It's not a well. Some people might have bat wings

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fluffing around while they're naked. I don't know. Yeah that's fair. The Portland

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World naked bike ride has been canceled this year due to lack of volunteers.

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Oh. Because it's it's huge. Like they have a ton of people. It's like the only time you

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can be naked in public and people are into it. So they need like a lot of volunteers to

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you know obviously. That's team. I heard. Yeah. They didn't have enough. So this is a call

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to action. Get your all's creepy naked butts out next year and volunteer for the naked

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bike ride. So we can go. As volunteers who will be fully clothed. Do you think we should

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volunteer? I wonder if the volunteers are they naked too? I mean get it. You don't have

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to be naked. Yeah. But I wonder. Well everyone volunteer because I would like to see this happen

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again. Okay well unfortunately this episode is not all about the naked bike ride. I was wondering.

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I know. I just saw the news and I had to bring it up. Yeah. It's newsworthy. It is. As

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hard as I try to just like couldn't find any creepy stories involving a traveling mass

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of nudity. It just like there wasn't anything there. Okay. It's like no one. There's no

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like creepy naked dude stories. I was like. Huh. Interesting. Okay. I see where you're going.

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I see. I see now. Okay. It didn't actually look for those. Hopefully no one is creepy at

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the naked bike ride. I think everyone is. Yeah. Yeah. I my head immediately went to naked

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ghost scared sheetless. Yeah. That's the naked ghost. Scared sheetless. That was what

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Beetlejuice is going to be called. This was not planned. Y'all. There you go. I'm wearing

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never trust the living shirt which is from Beetlejuice. Yeah. But it had bats and like lanterns on

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it. It's perfect. So remind me of what we're going to talk about today which I almost gave

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away which I didn't mean to. I guess lanterns is another clue. Okay. Let's move on before

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you guys. Okay. So we did the nature thing with the redwoods and now we need some adventure

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summer. Right. Yes. Did I say naked or nature? You said nature. Okay. I think. Roll. I have

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like a replay in my head of me saying. Okay. So we did the naked thing in the redwoods. But

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I think I said nature. This is that moment when I want to go roll that beautiful bean

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footage. Well, if I said naked, it'll be funny. I'm not redoing it. It's fun for everyone.

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I think. Well, we're going to have some more fun. So let's go pot-holing you guys. Pot-holing?

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Yeah. Pot-holing. You don't know what that is. My throat did that weird Predator thing.

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I heard it. And I'm like, hot. We all wear rear. It came from the pot hole. Oh, oops. Okay.

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That's what they call it in the UK and Ireland. Okay. Here we call it spolunking. Oh my god.

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Like as it. Like what? Like the cave thing. I can't make words now. Yeah. Cave can make

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words. I can't. Exploring. It's like heights, but also confined spaces and doors have to be

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high. And it's just exploring a cave. Okay. Obviously people do extreme stuff like, you know,

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like diving down into the cave and crazy, it's squeezing and shit. But you don't have to do that.

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But you don't. Don't. But you can. But don't. So 293 miles south of Portland, Oregon, almost to the

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border of California. Oh, hey girl. Long time no party. Yeah. On caves highway in the town of

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cave junction. Okay. Well, that feels a little heavy handed. If I'm being honest. Where are we going?

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Is the Oregon caves national monument? It's actually just one cave, but it's like, but a bunch of

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tunnels down there, but they call it caves. Okay. There are 133 national monuments in the US. I had to

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look it up because I was like, Oh, like how special is this national monument thing? And it turns out

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it's pretty special. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a pretty good thing preserves the cave. The cave's first

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recorded discovery was in 1874 by a man and his dog, Elijah and Bruce, which ones which that's

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what I was just thinking Bruce is the dog. Okay. Yeah. That that makes sense. Is it Elijah

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a cute name for a dog though? It would be. I know. I kind of want a dog now. Yeah. Oh, I don't.

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I mean, I do. I actually tried to convince Chris to pull over on the side of the road the other day

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because we saw a bunny. Oh, wow. I don't know if it's wild, but it was it wasn't wearing a collar.

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Oh, let's put it that way. Okay. Sticky up ears are floppy. It has a little sticky up ears. Oh, that's

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a wild bunny. Well, I mean, not necessarily. Lots of bunnies have sticky up ears. Okay. It's not my fault

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that we had the holding pops growing up. Listen, I'm still mad because he said we would go get the

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bunny today and we didn't you can't have a bunny wants to be wild. Okay. Well, I've already tried to

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convince him to bring home a coyote. I thought that the bunny was a pretty good compromise.

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You should get a new cat and it'll be like a raccoon.

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And then everyone in our house would die. So this is kind of a crazy story. All right. I will link it.

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Someone wrote out like a little story about what happened to him. So it's pretty cool. But all

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interesting. I'll kind of summarize it for you. All right. So Brucy technically was the one who

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found the cave. They were hunting in the Sisky Mountains. They had a camp with a bunch of other people

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who are also hunting, but they went off on their own. And Bruce goes sniffing off doing dog things,

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you know, how they do. Oh, right. I forgot. Bruce is the dog. Yes. I'm like, Bruce, he's a man.

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Elijah's the man. Okay. And Elijah realizes that the dog isn't close by, but he can hear him

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barking. So he goes off to try to find him so they can head back. And so here's some barking in the

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distance. He goes toward the sound. And soon he comes upon a stream and it's flowing from a dark

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opening in the rocks. And he hears the dog barking again. Oh, and it sounds like it's from deep inside

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where the stream is coming from out of these rocks. Oh boy. But he also hears this is crazy. But he

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also hears something else inside. It's a freaking bear. He hears a bear growling inside in his dog

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barking. And then I think at one point the dog like whimper like winds. Oh no, Bruce. Yes. So obviously

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it's not going great for Bruce. Well, before that, let me just say we officially have a bear theme.

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We really do. It's like what's going on. It's so weird. Well, I mean, I think we've established

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women are team bear. That's right. And we talked about bear in the last episode. Oh my gosh,

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it's so funny. Team bear. Oh, this gets even weirder. But so this saint of a man, of course, he has to

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go after his dog. Saint of a man, I think that's the bear minimum, but the bear minimum. Get it.

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But he's crawling into this dark hole in rocks where there's a stream. So it's like it's not just

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of course he goes after his dog, but like that's risky for your own life, right? Yeah.

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So he goes into this bear apartment and and he proceeds to get lost and also runs out of matches,

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which were the only light he had. Okay, it's like nightmares. Literally. Yeah. Yeah, but like,

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why are we not traveling? Okay, I guess it's probably daylight 1874. Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. And he

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wasn't expecting to go into a cave. He's out hunting his campus. Some I nearby. But the unexpected

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haven't got damn it. Bruce just look what you've done. Bruce is in the bear apartment. Just

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which is kind of like my apartment when he come into any room unexpectedly. You could be

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mulled. I didn't see you coming in. Yeah, I did. You were welcome though. Yeah, but I didn't get

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screamed up. I did scream. But like at her, but no, like at her. It doesn't sound like a bear. No.

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Sound like a twiggy. If a twiggy could scream. Okay, so where was I? He ran out of matches.

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So he used to start crawling on the ground because it's so treacherous in there that he can't like

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just blindly walk, right? You're gonna trip. You're gonna step in a hole. You're gonna probably maybe

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fall even off a cliff. You don't know what's in there. I really hate that. Yeah, so he had a crawl in

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his hands and knees. It obviously freaking like would hurt and that sucks. Yeah, that sucks a lot.

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But by some sort of cave angel miracle, he found the stream again, which he knew led out of the cave.

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So he knew he if he just followed that stream, he would be okay. And then I'm like, wait, is a cave angel a bat?

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Yeah. I think so. I think the bats stayed save them. He did. I had a visual of like the bats like

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picking him up and like flying him out of the cave. So he still went bats. I feel a lot about it.

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It would be like the balloon house and up. Yes. Yes. Let's redo up with that. Yeah. And make it like a

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spooky house. I kind of like it. He spent three hours lost in the cave. Crazy. Which like it doesn't

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seem like that long, which he did get pretty lucky and eternity. Yes. Yeah. If you're in there

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lost and you don't know where you're at, that's a really long time. Three hours. I would have several

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strokes. Yeah. But it wasn't like days. You know, like he didn't get lost down there for

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for that long. And the bear didn't find them. So that was also good. Yeah. I mean, great, great so far.

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Well, the cave angels also looked out for our boy, Brucey too. Thank God. He came limping out of the cave

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after his daddy. He did have some cuts, but he he was okay. They were able to heal him up back at camp.

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So back at camp, he told them the story and no one really believed him.

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Okay. So he took one of them back the next day. They find the cave again and they see the bear.

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Shut the fuck up. Yeah. So the friend is like, oh, like, okay, you weren't lying. They thought he

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was lying about there being a bear. I mean, it's a crazy story. I am like I went and I found a cave

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in the recipe. I don't know. I mean, bears love caves from what I understand. Maybe the sky

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lied a lot. I don't know a lot of life. But they didn't just say and like, there were a lot more bears

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back then. I had no idea why. Maybe it was just a good story to say that they didn't believe them.

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That okay, that makes sense. Well, either way, they shoot the bear. And now we're back to our

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other team of bear hunting. Okay. Great. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Well, what caliber?

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Did they decide to shoot the bear? I don't have any fucking clue. Okay. Well, when I find out what

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the bear does next, that will tell me, will they kill the bear? Okay. So it's a dead bear. All right. Yeah.

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So they have like a shotgun. Yeah. I mean, without their hunting like big animals, I think. So I

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think it was. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So they were solid. Everyone was fine after that. And then the

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mountain where Elijah found this cave is now called Mount Elijah. I wish they named mountains after

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me. You got to find caves in them in 1894 or whenever the fuck I said, this is from nps.org, which I think

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is National Park Service. That sounds correct. I also meant to say dot gov nps.gov. Oh, yes.

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What did you say the first time? Oh, nps.gov. All right. Quote. Eons of acidic water, seeping into marble

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rock created and decorated the wondrous marble halls of Oregon. That is a nickname for the cave.

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Because the cave was formed in limestone that has turned into marble due to a process called

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metamorphism. Isn't that cool? I had no idea. I love that. There's just like, I don't know,

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marble's marble. Yeah. I didn't. It used to be limestone. Okay. Marble facts. Marble facts. I knew

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you would like it. I picked it for you too. We love marble so much here. We're like kind of obsessed.

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We didn't even know it with limestone. Now color yourself a marble fan. Yeah. I feel like kind of

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a poser you are. That's like when somebody's like, oh, you like that band? Three songs. Right.

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The cave reaches about 15,000 feet underground. That's too many. It's full of

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stalactites and stalagmites. You remember those from school? Pretty. You know those

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drippy downy there in the cave. They're so cool. I want one. I want one. I think I have to like

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tighten a slight white. Yeah. One grows from the ceiling. One grows from the floor. Don't ask me what

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I want one like right here. Yeah. Like if we just have one of like marble. I mean, marble's like all

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well and good and everything. But I want like the drippy thing. Yeah. You know. It's so mysterious.

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Also, you know, it's down in caves. Who knows what kind of creepy crawlies? I was going to say

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something grows. Right. And bats though. And bats. There's so many bats in caves. But they're so cute.

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But I would probably fully piss my pants if I came into contact with the bats. Sky puppies.

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They're so cute. But like if they're flying like into you and you're like, are you a mosquito?

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I mean, I'm very attractive to mosquitoes. Apparently my blood is delicious. Just call me Bella.

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Well, it's a bat apartment too. It's not just a bear apartment.

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Actually, it's probably more like a bat dorm. Oh, I like that. Bat frat.

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Yeah. Bat frat. I like it. But there's some important bat information on the website nps.org.gov.

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So it says nps.gov/orca. I think that's where I'm getting confused. No, that would fuck me up.

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It's what would fuck me up so hard. I'm going to quote again from nps.gov.

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Help save our bats. Help save our bats. Save the bat. North America's bats are under attack

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from white no syndrome. Let's see. Bat disease. And to prevent the spread, please do not bring close,

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even washed clothes, shoes or equipment used in any and any used in any other cave mine or any other

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bat habitat. So just like, if you're going from cave to caves, plunking around, just have different

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clothes. Don't transfer clothes. Even if they're washed, yeah, even if they're washed, I guess they

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still can have stuff on them. Well, yeah, I don't know. It's really sad. I don't want the bats today.

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The bats die. We don't like what are we going to do? Like, I don't know. Be eaten. They're like

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pollinators. There are a few tours you can take in the cave. There's Discovery Cave Tour,

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Twist, Stoop and discover the dark depths with a guide. So you'll have a guide. I was like dark depths.

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I thought you were going to just say guy for a second. I was like with a guy. He's got his name.

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Like why the emphasis on one guy. One guy. I give a couple different tour guides. Just one guy.

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It is actually like a Ranger tour guide too. So it's not just like a random guy.

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Some high school kid like taking you through a dangerous cave. It's like an actual Ranger.

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Okay. Yeah. So like feel safer. That's the tour I want to take. Well, this next one is the tour I

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want to take. Candle light cave tour. And they've done a haunted one too. It was like in 2015 that

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I found so I don't know if they if they still do anything like that. But they do a candle light cave.

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Candle light. Yeah. I'm sorry. I want it. I want to sell that. How you go through

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your candle? Like I can't. But I trip over my own feet. Like maybe you're not the person who

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would go on the candle like she's like you're not invited. You dumb bitch. Maybe if you trip on

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things you shouldn't walk around in the dark cave with a candle. I'm a fire. Wow. So ableist you guys.

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Also if you're going with kids and stuff they do have a kids and family tour.

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Oh yeah. Which is easier I assume. I can't do that one either.

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But they also if you really like adventure you can go on the off trail cave tour.

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Squeeze through tight spaces crawl on your belly and explore the deepest depths.

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Echo.

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I would not go on that. I'm not that adventurous to yeah. I don't want to squeeze. Yeah, I don't let

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know squeezing. I'm okay with spiders and creepy crawlies. No, I don't want to. No.

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Squeeze past them or touch them. No. Brush up. Yeah. I'm good with that. No. And then I've also heard

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I'm going to have to look up the name and information and everything about the spillunking

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case. But there was somebody who really sadly died in a cave. That happens a lot. Yeah. It's awful

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and scary. It's not good. There is also lodging at the Oregon Caves National Monument called the

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Chateau. Oh. While the caves are still open the Chateau has been closed since 2018 for

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constructions and renovations. They ran into some pretty big structural issues when they started

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renovating and much more than they anticipated needed to be done. Meaning a much much much larger

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budget. Oh, what? Yeah. It's not there. Also interest rates are really high for what?

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For everything. Oh, interest rates are high. If you need to borrow money. Oh, for borrow. Yeah.

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For like, you're like for what? A room of cars. I don't know. By the hotel. I don't know. Are they charging

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interest on our hotel rooms? Yeah. They had a I think like tax money, you know, for rebuilding like

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a historic place. Oh, sure. I'm pretty sure they had like a budget for that. But it just

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ended up funding. Yeah. It ended up just not being enough for what needs to be done. So they had

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to stop construction last March. And I think they were planning when they closed in 2018. They were

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planning to reopen. I think in 2023 or 2012. I can't remember one of those, but they were planning

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to reopen pretty soon. Yeah. But they just ran out of funds last year. Oh, no. So they are currently

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raising funds to finish the project so they can reopen the beloved, beloved, beloved, that's

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beloved and historic. I didn't need to do that. I love it. This beloved, this beloved lodge.

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My brain really loves that. Yeah. You know, like why use many words when we've established I am

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Kevin in the best way possible. I'm just wait. I will get you with the chili one day.

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Oh, I love a good chili on your floor. That's what I thought. She's like on your wedding dress.

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So there is a website. It's like friends of the Chateau or friends of the Oregon caves or

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I'll link it. But they're the ones who are like helping raise the funds, doing all the things.

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They're the websites. Awesome. They have a place to donate just money. They have a place where you

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can volunteer or volunteer. You can sponsor one of their chairs. They have really historic old

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furniture and they've lost a bunch of them in a flood. No. Yeah. So they're reconstructing them,

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making finding other ones, rebuilding some. But you can sponsor one and then you will get your

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plaque on it. That's so cool. They have a bunch of different ways that you can support. Obviously,

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we've donated because we have to. We're talking about it. We have to link all the things. So please

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donate if you want and or if you can. Not if you want. If you can. If you can and if you want. So we

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can all go and stay at this picturesque six story lodge with 23 rooms, a fine dining with views over

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a wooded canyon and a 1930s era coffee shop. Like I need that coffee shop back. I need it. I've

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never been there. But I like really need to go. But I need it. And I think it was like 1930s because

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it was built in the 30s. You know, it's not like they made it themed the 30s. Yeah, there

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are like funds of 30s. Yeah. Let's just when it existed. And if you know, if they don't rebuild

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this stuff, it's just going to turn into a creepy, dilapidated old building and as much as I really love

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those. It really do. Yeah. I hate to see this place end up that way. Yeah. Something historic that

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easily could be saved. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about easily. It's a lot of money. You guys, it'll

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easily could be saved. Okay. Yeah. I hope. I hope so. Like I'm hoping even if they raise the money that

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like they can fix the things that are wrong in there because they yeah. And I think they need to

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like update it for like earth things and stuff too, which that's really important. Oh, seismic. Yeah.

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seismic upgrades are no joke. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the tough thing is I will say this even in buildings

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where you don't have to upgrade the building itself for seismic. The city of Portland and the

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state of Oregon in general is very strict. And they knew they added new laws. That's I think one of

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the things they said aside from the eventual finished product during construction. If part of the

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building is habitated, it needs to be up to the new standards in a lot of situations. So that is

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really expensive for you know, temporary structures, temporary features of the building that you know,

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they're not quite done with renovations. I've seen how this can impact other projects.

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Yeah. That's it's tough because you want buildings to be safe. No, yeah. Yeah. You can't just have this

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building, especially where it's at. We'll get into like where how it's situated, but and it's like

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above a cave. So yeah, you kind of need the thing to be a little sturdy, you know, I'd like it to be.

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Yeah. I would too because I like really need I want to go to there. I want to go to there.

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I actually try. Okay. So my mom had been there before and I asked her for pictures that she

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can't find them. I'm bringing up my mom again. It's another theme. Mem. So in 2020, I was, you know,

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we're looking for places to go. I think it was maybe 2021. Yeah, it was after like the big shut down.

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It was when things were starting to open back up and I just wanted to go somewhere where it was like

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wasn't too crowded. It was outdoors. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, I want to go to the caves. I've

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never been like look it up. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, it's going to reopen. We're getting there.

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We're getting there. And then then I go look at look it up. I'm like, oh, she's steaming it.

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They're still not open. It's sad. So yeah, everyone don't like the shadow was built in 1934.

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It is adjacent to the entrance of the Oregon Caves National Monument. And it is a national historic

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landmark in one of the National Park's great lodges, which like I didn't know that was a thing.

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That's cool. Apparently, like at the National Park places, they have like lodges and they're called

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like the great National Park's great lodges. So yeah. Yeah. So this building is built like off of a cliff.

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So the front is three stories. And then the back side of the building is six stories. Oh boy.

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Or floors. I don't know. Stories and floors are the same. Yeah. I mean generally speaking. Yeah.

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Say floors. I don't know. Yeah. It was built over the stream. And it actually flows through the

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building. It flows through the dining room. That sounds so cool. But also I'm not so sure that that's

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for me. What? It's it's very the dining room is like super fancy. It's not like it would be like a

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run like a bunch of water rushing through. No, no, no, no, I'm sure. I'm sure. But I'm like, it's a little

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intimidating. It's a little bit like it's a stream. I think I don't think it's like a white

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water rapid. Well, sure. Right now. That's a stream. I know that our waterways, like they change

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over. Yeah. I don't know. This building was freaks me out a little bit since 1934. And I don't

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think they've had issues with it. Or I didn't read any of them. It sounds so cool. But I feel like it

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would put me on edge. I don't know. I think it's so cool. It sounds so cool. Like I want to go to there.

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But I feel like there'd be a little part of my lizard brain that would be a little bit scared. And

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that's like the same stream that saved Elijah. So like it's a good stream. You know, it's probably

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cool. It's like it's probably going to be chill. Yeah. All right. All right. So since there's like a

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stream running through, that's going to be carrying some energy, right? And not to mention,

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like all the marble and like limestone and crystals and stuff in the community. Yeah. Like that

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shit holds on to energy too. It's true. Speaking of holding on to energy, it's time for some spooky stuff.

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Oh, so this is where we learn that everything is haunted forever. Everything is haunted forever.

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And so it's an old wood building. The floors creak. The piping is loud. The wind kind of whistles

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through the trees. And you know how it is. It probably gets through the windows and the little

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crevices and cracks making a bunch of noise everywhere. So noisy. So there's that kind of stuff going

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on. The staircases and hallways are apparently narrow and dimly lit. It kind of like kind of like

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the man race a, called man race a castle that went to like the hallways and stairways were like

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narrow, dimly lit, very creepy, spooky vibes. And I read in one person's blog that there was a random

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window to nowhere in the hallway ceiling. I'm sorry what? Yeah. And I think it was like that. It

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must have been the top floor because it said no light came from it and it looked like it was the attic.

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So like there was like a window to the attic in the hallway ceiling. I don't know. Yeah, I also don't

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know. Like any more details. Is this like maybe they were fixing something and so they cut a hole

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out and it's like they put some plexiglass over it to that. I don't know. What that sounds like

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in unintentional skylight like right to the attic. I don't I don't know. I don't know why. I don't

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even know if this is true. It's just something I ran someone's blog. Well, I guess we have to go. We

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have to go. We have to go. But what if they fixed it? I want creepy windows into the attic. God for bed.

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They do have one ghost. Just like a singular ghost. Just one ghost.

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One ghost that is talked about anyway. There might be other things around but they're not like

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really mentioned. I don't think. All right. And like I said, every haunted place has to have this

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one ghost or it just isn't haunted and they listened. Okay. This is a woman in white situation. Again.

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Or some people actually call her the blue lady. So I guess she appears blue sometimes. Oh,

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interesting. And no one actually like called her the woman in white. They just call her Elizabeth.

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That's her name. It's just like this is like the woman in white. Stereo. Do we know how she spells

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Elizabeth normally? The normal way. Which is not Caitlin's middle name. That's the normal way.

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Is your middle name spelled that way? I don't know because you won't tell me how it's spelled.

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Oh, how is yours? It's spelled Elizabeth. I don't know how do you spell Elizabeth differently than

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a L-I-Z-A-B-F. Okay. Some people spell it with an S instead of the Z. Oh, I've never seen that before.

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Sorry. Oh yeah. It's just like it's like the normal way. I don't know what you're talking about. I was like

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like trust me. My name is Elizabeth. I know that people spell it other way. I was like this isn't a

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Caitlin situation. I'm like, I mean it isn't. I guess I've never seen Elizabeth spell it. I don't know

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that. Never encountered that. Like people have fully been like, oh, you spell it that way? Weird.

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Elizabeth was on her honeymoon with her new husband. On her honeymoon? On her honeymoon. God damn it.

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In room 310 of the chateau in the 30s. So like right after they opened on their wedding night,

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he got into some shady shenanigans with a housekeeper. What? Yeah, this piece of shit.

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A bunch of boys. Well. So other things. Yeah, other other other sad things.

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So she went looking for him because it's like it's their wedding night. Like where did he go? And she

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found them together. So like did he know this housekeeper? And like that's like why he wanted to stay on

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his honeymoon there? Was it just like I need something else to like stick my dick in right now?

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I mean he's probably just a scoundrel. It's like it's your honeymoon. You have like you have some

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that's what they're there for. I mean, I just have to do it on your honeymoon. But like yeah, I don't

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know. Yeah, no, that's maybe she said no, maybe she was tired and he just went off and was a dick bag.

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I don't know. Like an entire bag of dicks. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, that's awful. And obviously,

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Elizabeth was heartbroken and her life had just started and she thought like you know, this is

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the beginning of my fucking life. And then yeah, I'm ripped away from her. Oh, by such a dick. I'm so

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frustrated by such a bag of dicks. Even though I know it's allegedly. I don't know. But still,

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this happens. It would make me mad. I feel like even if it didn't happen here and now like it's

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happened. Like under these specific parameters or circumstances, you know that that legend comes to

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life for a reason. Yeah. Cosmen. I know. Cosmen. Cosmen are what? Trash. Trashpin. We should have that on

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every altar. Yeah, we'll just slap it on there. So Elizabeth ran to their small top room floor,

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which is like another weird thing someone pointed out is like, why were they in this tiny like

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attic room for their honeymoon? Because of the view. Right. I don't know. I don't know. Like,

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there were bigger rooms. I'm sure. Maybe. I just really hate having to keep saying this over and over

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with this type of story. But some people might be new to go stuff. So I don't want to just like

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say, you know what happens? Because maybe you don't. So I mean, don't you know,

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don't you? You're a close story as you might not know. Are you? Are you new to earth?

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Maybe. Maybe. Okay. That's fair. She might be. I don't want to make aliens feel weird. Yeah.

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Okay. What if an alien is listening to us and you just you just offended the shit out of them?

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I apologize. I got you. So she either ran up to the room so devastated that she felt like she had

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no other choice but to jump from the window to her death. Oh my god. He's so not worth it. I know. But

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like, you know, how was and I would say like there is another option. But like back then and even now

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it's like a really hard choice. I mean, also just the devastation. And like, you know, that was her

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that was the beginning of her life. Like she thought it was going to be one way and then now it's all

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the same. Not in you're just, I don't know, you could be impulsive and it's really. Did you, did

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you pick this one because? No, I didn't pick it. I picked it because they need donations. That's

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so funny because I definitely picked a case specifically because of the timing. Oh, and I'm,

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I'm gonna fuck raise up with it. Yeah, I kind of joked about picking like honeymoons and wedding

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stuff but I didn't mean to. It just happened. No, yeah, truly. Yeah, I was like, I mean, I've had

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this case saved for a while. I guess things just come into a lapse. Just happens like with all the

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bear themes. We don't know where it comes from. They'll just show up in all the stories. I mean,

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like you can't make that up. I could not have known that that one guy was like a bear hunter.

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Yeah, I had to dig and that was just a random thing. It just like popped up. It's lovely. You're

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But back to sad stuff. Oh, right. So either way she passed away, either if she did it on her own or

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there's another version of the story is that she went up just to pack her things and leave and he

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pushed her. Okay, so it's definitely like an out the window scenario. Okay. Yeah. On the top floor

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of the Chateau, guess sometimes here, let's steps above them. But again, like it's either the attic

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or like the roof above you on the top floor. So there shouldn't be any footsteps. Back there.

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Just be like raccoons, right? I mean, I guess. Yeah. But I think with the building being so old and

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all of the noises that it makes that the footsteps would have to be like pretty clear. And

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people also hear not just footsteps, they hear crying sounds. Oh great. So of like maybe a one

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of many or possibly a child, but probably a young woman. Cool. Guess and staff who have ran into

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Elizabeth spirit say that she's like not very nice. Oh, which like, yeah, I wouldn't be

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really when I like that. But she kind of ended her life in a terrible way after ending her marriage

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for a trash and a whole way. So I, you know, I probably wouldn't be the happiest either. Yeah, I mean,

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I feel like that's fair. Yeah. But I do have some great news for you. Okay. I really do. This is

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actually really good news. I mean, first of all, I don't believe you, but go on. No, it's so we can't

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stay here because they say that if someone checks into Elizabeth's room, 310, that you won't be

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getting a ghostly bunk mate. Because she will leave the room. If someone's in there, she doesn't

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want to be around it. People she's like, oh, she goes and she wanders the halls of the hotel.

361
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So, you know, once you're in the room to stay in there, don't leave and she won't bother you.

362
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Okay. But one place she does like to frequent is the third floor linen closet.

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And people say, they hear the hear sounds of moaning and crying coming from inside. Oh, no.

364
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So I don't know if maybe the moaning sounds are like her husband and the housekeeper doing it.

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And then she finds them and she starts crying or maybe the moaning is like the crying and she's

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just hiding in the closet because she doesn't know where else to go or I don't know. But that would

367
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make sense for like the housekeeper to be doing it in a linen closet. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it so much.

368
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,080
But you don't have any reason to go in the linen closet. So you don't have to worry. We'll just

369
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worry now I have to because I just need to check. I have to know. She does also like to spend time

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terrorizing the kitchen. Here she likes to drop stuff on staff's heads.

371
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Rude. Paying special attention to the people who don't believe in or disrespect her in some way.

372
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:30,760
Okay, well, I mean, that makes sense, but also still. Rude. Like don't, don't fuck with the ghost.

373
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Yeah, just be nice. There are people too, okay. One of these days, I'm totally going to die at the

374
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hands of a ghost that my future husband mocked. I'm going to die because of something supernatural.

375
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,360
The Christopher was like, baby, baby, baby, baby. Okay. Well, we can't take him with us. No.

376
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We don't want stuff dropped on our heads. I don't.

377
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She also bangs pots and pans and rattles doors in the middle of the night.

378
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I'm glad you finished that sentence. She bangs and pans. She bangs. I really wasn't sure where that was

379
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going. Okay, now we're just going to go to the shuttle and sing she bangs to Elizabeth and hope she doesn't

380
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hate us. I think she would like that. She, like, it's a coin toss. I don't know. Maybe she never did get to

381
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:39,240
bang. Oh, no. Our situation. That's true. I didn't mean it a list of it. I'm so sorry. I beg, I beg.

382
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:48,520
Yeah. We bang. We bang. Collectively. Join us if you wish and no judgements either way.

383
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,840
So I don't know why she bangs on pots and pans and stuff. But I'm like, what if she's just

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celebrating the new year or COVID health care workers? Maybe time's just a little different for her.

385
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:10,280
I'm trying to think of other occasions when you bang pots and new years and to celebrate COVID health

386
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:17,320
care workers. That's it. That is it. Yeah. Like this definitely was before COVID. The time would have to

387
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work really different in the afterlife. So we don't know. They caught some photo evidence of Elizabeth

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in a storage area of the lodge. I don't know if it's the linen closet. They just set a storage area.

389
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But I like to think maybe it was the linen closet. It's the linen closet. And the photo used to be kept

390
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in a hauntings log at the front desk. Shut the fuck up. I don't know if they still would do that or not.

391
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Shut the actual front door. Yeah. I know. I didn't find the photo. So that would be cool if I had it,

392
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:55,960
right? But I don't. But they say it. But they say that when she appears, she's obvious. She looks

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really sad, which is understandable. Yeah. And she looks innocent. She looks young. She has blonde

394
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curly hair. I don't why they say she looks innocent. Maybe because she's just like a young person.

395
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Because they're like she was on her honeymoon. Yeah. And the groom was, you know,

396
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fangin' it out with more innocent than that guy. Oh, and she's wearing clothes that are like of the

397
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30s in the photo that they caught her in. They die for her. And people see her. And a little girl that

398
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was a guest at the chateau left an interesting crayon drawing in the haunting log. Stop it.

399
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Elizabeth, she likes to make things a little bit difficult for the housekeepers.

400
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And I can't imagine why. Yeah. I mean, what? Why would she have a, what's that called? You have a grudge

401
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:04,440
or grudge against the housekeepers. I just, I don't know why. Yeah. She will again bang. She,

402
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:10,680
you know what? I just thought of this. She does bang. She probably doesn't know bang like this.

403
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:16,040
She probably knows bang as like. So if we sang she bangs her, she would be like, yeah.

404
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,400
She bangs. I do bang. And she would say bang on stuff. Yeah. That's how we're gonna go,

405
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:28,040
so we're just gonna sing Ricky Martin songs out loud to the go. Again, she bangs on the closet doors

406
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while the housekeepers are trying to clean. So she just, she keeps bangin' on shit. Yeah. Well, I mean,

407
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that's fair. And then she's gonna stop there. Because once they finish and lock the door behind

408
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:47,880
them, she will make the beds, unfold the towels and toss them around the room. She like is pissed off

409
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:55,160
at the housekeepers. Like nod shy about that. That is not the same girl. That is not the same girl.

410
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:02,760
Like you need to let it go. You mean she's just, yeah. She's going through some stuff. That is the

411
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:10,120
definition of a grudge. Yeah, it really, really is. But I thought person, I thought person's not

412
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around anymore. That's what I'm saying. I wonder if she still worked at the hotel after and like she

413
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:25,800
did fuck with her after. And then I don't know. I'm curious. We need to go ask her. So I also do have to

414
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say that there are no official records of any deaths in the building. So I do want to say that

415
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:42,680
just to everyone knows, isn't this in a fairly like isolated or burrow location? Yeah. Interesting.

416
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I don't know. I don't know what happened back in the 30s. I don't want to play them on anybody.

417
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,960
No one does. Yeah. No one knows that happens. It's kind of the whole thing. All I'm saying is there's no

418
00:51:53,960 --> 00:52:04,840
record of it. So take that as you will. I went to website national parks travelers dot org and

419
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:12,920
it is not org of the same. Okay. National parks traveler dot org. And there's a person's comment on

420
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here and they didn't know about the ghost hack for this place that I found for you, Caitlin. A ghost

421
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:26,040
hack. Yeah, the ghost hack where you stay in Elizabeth's room. She leaves. Oh, that's the ghost hack.

422
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:31,880
So this person didn't know that. Since 2012 they wrote this comment that the front desk checked

423
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:39,400
them into room 310 and told them it was the haunted Elizabeth's room. So they went up to check

424
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,640
it out and quickly came back down to change rooms. I they didn't say anything happened but I just

425
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:54,520
think they didn't like want to stay in a haunted room. Okay. They said when they slept in this other room

426
00:52:54,520 --> 00:53:01,240
they got terrible sleep. And then the staff told them that there was an entity in that room that

427
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:08,520
torments people. Oh, I don't know if this is like a different entity or if this is Elizabeth and

428
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:14,760
she's not in her own room. She's often like someone else's room. Yeah. I don't know. They should have

429
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:22,360
stayed. They should have stayed with the devil, you know, you know. I think so. Especially since now we

430
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:29,400
know in hindsight that room 310 is probably the best place to stay if you don't want activity.

431
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:39,240
I mean, I guess there was another comment on this website. My late spouse, Lauren Parton and I stayed

432
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at the chateau in the 1980s. We read and heard nothing about any haunting, which was it was the 80s.

433
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:53,000
I don't know. Do they really like report on like haunted stuff that? I feel like it was mostly like

434
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:59,560
urban legends and myths. You know, red it wasn't around to, right? But so the story hadn't gotten

435
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:05,880
to them yet. Okay. They go on to say, we can up in the middle of the night, we heard a woman pacing

436
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,400
in our room up and down, up and down. Oh boy. Until we finally returned to sleep.

437
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:18,520
When we reported this the next morning, our breakfast server asked if we wanted to see something

438
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:27,960
really spooky. Nope. All good. I said yes. And this is not me. They said yes. Oh boy. He took me to what

439
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:35,480
I recall as a light-filled room without furniture. The hotel never rented. The moment he opened the door,

440
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:42,520
I was frozen in terror. I couldn't even enter the room. Everyone responds the same way, he said,

441
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:50,120
closing the door. Other servers said that they have to duck when cutlery sometimes flies

442
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:58,040
from the drawers when they set the breakfast tables. Believe me, this is no publicity stunt. I mean,

443
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:04,200
the place isn't even open at this point. So why would they even need a publicity stunt? Okay.

444
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,760
We're going to go on to another story that was submitted in 2021. Obviously they weren't staying

445
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:17,960
there in 2021 because the hotel was closed. It says, I had written a long story and it disappeared.

446
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:26,040
What? Not surprising. So they had already commented a story and it's gone. Oh yeah. So I wonder if

447
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:33,720
they had commented when it originally had happened. I don't know. I have pictures of Elizabeth in room

448
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:42,760
309. No, you don't. Nope. Nope. So Elizabeth's room is 310. But remember, I said that she leaves.

449
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:49,640
So maybe she went to 309 because she won't go a sleep gap. Remember, we talked about that too.

450
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:58,600
Oh jeez. She just needs some ghostly gab in her life and I get it. Also, we should just start a

451
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:06,520
podcast called ghostly gab ghostly gab. I love that. Oh yeah. I don't know how much more

452
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:12,360
ghostyness I can handle. Well, we could start this. Someone else can host it. And then we'll just

453
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:24,680
get the profits. Yeah. GM GM. So Elizabeth apparently is talking to this person because they say

454
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:31,320
she told me she had just married her husband because she was pregnant. I have three photos of Elizabeth

455
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:37,640
materializing. The sadness will remain until she and her child are acknowledged somehow. Oh.

456
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:43,880
So there's no record or any other story saying she was pregnant, but I guess this person is kind of

457
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:50,760
like psychic or can talk to the dead and they somehow got from her that she was with child. So that

458
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:57,320
makes the story even more sad and fucked up. And I want to believe that's not true. Yeah. That's

459
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:04,920
awful. How do you cheat on your pregnant new wife? Wow. Gosh. Like you are a double dirt bag

460
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:14,760
dick. And real. DDD. I'm next. I'm going to read a comment from your ghost stories.com. And this

461
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:21,560
is from 2016. Coming to the chateau, I knew nothing of its history. Y'all need to just look up

462
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:26,440
haunted hotels before you go anywhere. I mean, or just look up at places that you're going to stay.

463
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:32,200
Yeah. Even if you aren't quite sure that they're haunted. Just type in the place and then haunted

464
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:38,760
after it just to make sure, you know, or you know, maybe just like try going beyond like the hotels

465
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,920
actual like their website in the search result. Yeah. What if there's other stuff that's happened

466
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,600
there? Like maybe it's not haunted, but what if there's other stuff you should know about? That's true.

467
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:57,080
All my whole family knew was it was a really old hotel by the Oregon Caves. Which it is. That is true.

468
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:03,800
Since the moment we walked in and checked in, I felt uncomfortable. I couldn't tell you why, but I

469
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:12,760
felt there was someone there everywhere. Taking time to explore, I would walk around the lobby, upstairs

470
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:19,080
from the dining room. Everything was normal and busy, but no matter how hard I tried, I could never sit

471
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:26,600
by walk by or stand by the piano without getting chilled. That's so funny because as soon as you said

472
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:38,760
everywhere, I was like Michelle Branch. Oh. She plays the piano. I'm just saying coincidence.

473
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:46,200
I think no. I think so. The feeling I kept getting every time I was around or in the chateau made me

474
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:51,960
uncomfortable enough to beg my parents to leave and not stay the night. Wow. Yeah, you make that

475
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,640
whole trip up there. You're not leaving. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, you'd have to be really uncomfortable.

476
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,160
Yeah. And it's like out there. Like if you look it up, it's quite a way, like a drive from the main

477
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:08,760
town that's close by. So yeah, you're not leaving. There's no where else to stay. No. You stay in the cave?

478
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:17,800
Oh my god. No. The bad apartment. That night when I went to bed in my room, in my own room.

479
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:23,640
I was 12 at the time. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get to sleep. The whole night, I just kept hearing

480
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:30,040
the couple upstairs. Okay. Yelling at each other, stomping around and slamming doors.

481
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Were they stomping or were you 12 and you didn't know what those voices were? I don't know.

482
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:42,840
When I talked to my parents the next morning about it, they told me they hadn't heard a thing.

483
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:52,120
This being hard to believe because the couple was so loud. Oh boy. Chocking it up to maybe my imagination

484
00:59:52,120 --> 01:00:01,800
in a dream I made to match my uneasy feelings. I think the parents were too embarrassed. I think

485
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:10,440
they did hear something and they were like, we didn't hear anything because we don't want to explain

486
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:20,920
those voices. Well, I don't think they were sex noises. Well, we'll talk about it. That was my favorite

487
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:26,280
theory. Or yeah, we'll go over it. It's kind of my only theory. So, well, I have one.

488
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:35,640
My family and I brushed the incident off. As we were checking out, my dad who loves to share

489
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:41,960
began retelling my tale to the receptionist who began to laugh. She just mentioned that the

490
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:48,920
chateau was known for being haunted, which they didn't know this previously. Okay, that's right.

491
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,520
All right. The only thing that convinced my parents I wasn't dreaming was after leaving the chateau,

492
01:00:54,520 --> 01:01:02,440
we looked up the story and then found out the tale of Elizabeth in her estranged fiancee. I don't know.

493
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,240
Which I think they were married. I think they're already married. Yeah, they're newlyweds. Yeah.

494
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,200
Right. Yeah. But you can see how overtime that sort of gets. It's like a game of time. Right.

495
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:18,360
Right. Yeah. They're like married, engaged. Same thing. Tomato, tomato.

496
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:25,400
Whose room just happened to be beside mine? So, they were staying right next to Elizabeth's room.

497
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:38,600
So, my theory was that this was like the, them fighting about, you know, what had happened

498
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:43,160
about him cheating on her and she was like, you a scoundrel. Yeah. He was like hearing the residual

499
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:51,320
fight from that night. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Probably more sense than my theory, but like,

500
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:58,520
I don't know. Because having angry sex, I don't know. They could have been still a residual

501
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:05,560
haunting, fighting and having angry sex. Or maybe it's the sounds of him boning that housekeeper

502
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:12,200
and then she'd find them and then they fight. Yeah. The wires or just like the wires got crossed

503
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,800
and there's just like everything all of the events of that night just being funneled into

504
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:25,560
well, all time is happening all at once. So, oh my god. Okay. I need some more. I'm just gonna say

505
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:32,040
because anyone need a speaker drink for a drink. Alright, I have one more thing about the chateau

506
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:39,960
and the caves. There's a recorded Bigfoot siding in the vicinity of the chateau. Really? Yes.

507
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:48,440
There is a documentary from the dailycurrier.com on psychologist Matthew Johnson's Bigfoot siding

508
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:57,400
at the Oregon caves. Really? Yes. Okay. And that's not just like any old yokel. I mean, he's a psychologist.

509
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,040
Yeah. So that means he's like basically an expert in the outdoors. Yeah. You know?

510
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:13,400
Just saying toast. Like, what are you gonna do when you find Bigfoot? Like, lay him on a couch and ask

511
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:21,080
your about his childhood. I mean, maybe. I feel like I would. Why are you so anti-social? Yeah.

512
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:28,360
You're very misunderstood. What would you like people to know about you? How do you feel about

513
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:36,200
yeah? Anyway, that's possible. I guess. That was more Diane Sawyer than it was like psychologist, but

514
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,400
yeah. You know, okay. Well, I know potato. I feel kind of bad. I'm not, I'm not like making fun of

515
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,360
them. It's just like the situation about a psychologist. Like the fact that it's like a psychologist.

516
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:51,880
Interesting. Yeah. But interesting. This man was actually kind of on the verge of tears talking

517
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:59,640
about it because he was so scared witnessing what he thinks was Bigfoot. And he was like, everything I

518
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:05,480
knew about the outdoors has like changed forever because of this thing I had witnessed that I previously,

519
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:11,960
you know, didn't think was a thing that existed in the world and know what that does. Yeah. That does

520
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:17,320
change your perception. I guess I didn't think about that. Yeah. It's kind of freaky. Yeah.

521
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:24,760
There's also something called the Southern Oregon Bigfoot Experience. Okay. It's like a museum,

522
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:31,000
like a Bigfoot Museum. Okay. That could be fun. I'm going. Okay. Now let's let's do. Let's go. We

523
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:39,240
got to take another break. I have a name actually, but well, what if I tell you there's also Yeti's ice

524
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:47,560
cream and treats in town? Wait, when they say Yadis, what are they? It's just the name of the ice

525
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:53,800
cream place is Yadis. Yadis ice cream and treats. I was like, there's like a Yadis store and then also

526
01:04:53,800 --> 01:05:00,440
an ice cream shop. It's not like Yadis like your cups or, you know, but I was like, that's confusing

527
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,640
in this context just because like Bigfoot and then we're talking about you, you get it. You get it.

528
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,040
Yeah, but Yadis kind of like a big foot. It's like the same interchangeable, you know, that's what I

529
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:16,760
was thinking. But Yadis are like in the snow. So it's like ice cream. Makes sense. Yes. Make

530
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:22,200
a total sense. But they kind of, I think they should have named it Yadis ice cream and sweet treats.

531
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,880
Because it just sounds like I keep wanting to say something more than treats. It just needs to be sweet

532
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:36,040
treats, you know. They just go together. I like it. Well, anyway, that's my story and I think everyone

533
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:43,720
should definitely go donate to the chateau to get this, get this lady rebuilt. Get her up and running

534
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:54,360
again so we can stay in her gorgeousness. Give her a monterogical. Do you think we should do

535
01:05:54,360 --> 01:06:02,520
some tarot? Yeah. Let's do a little batty tarot. Yeah. Ooh. What does that entail? What's your

536
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:13,800
batty shit? Batty shit. Let's get batty in this bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I went to shuffle and

537
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:22,840
even though this deck is like the size of standard cards, um, had a couple of peppers there. So

538
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:29,640
we've got two cards. We've laid out already on the altar and Cassie's, Cassie's wrapping up.

539
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:38,760
We got the 10 of hearts in the two of diamonds as our poppers. All right. She's picking a card.

540
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:48,920
Pick a card and he can't. Which card will it be? It's a frog. Okay. So I'm using not a tarot deck today,

541
01:06:48,920 --> 01:07:00,360
but I'm using a deck of cards called the cabinitarian. And it's like a weirdo creepy deck and we got it

542
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:08,760
from the um hop scotch place in Portland. That's right. I knew I recognized her. Yeah. It's really cute.

543
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:15,560
So the two poppers we had, Caitlin, do you want to read those first or should I? It's up to you.

544
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:24,040
Let's, uh, let's, so I pulled a jack card or a Joker card. I was wondering if that's what it was.

545
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:32,280
It has the pool. So I pulled the soul guard. I'm assuming because it has no label on it. So I'm assuming

546
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:39,080
that that's it. All right. So lovely. Yeah. So we pulled the two of pentacles, which is diamonds,

547
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:47,880
and then the 10 of cups, which is hearts. That's where my Nina second. That's fine.

548
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:55,880
Because I'm a goldfish. Those are ones that fell out. Yeah. Okay. Catch two of pentacles. Our key

549
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:06,760
words are balance, busyness, financial partnership, choices, ups and downs. Okay. Financial partnership.

550
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:15,000
There are a need of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some decks picture a person juggling two pentacles,

551
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:21,880
which represents juggling different facets of your life. You're trying to keep many balls in the air.

552
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:27,640
So to speak. Sometimes this card indicates making a choice between two things.

553
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:34,840
Like maybe your wife and a brand new mistress. Right. Yeah. That's true.

554
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:42,840
Should I go with the upright? Because there's not really an upright versus reverse. And

555
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,560
I mean, there kind of is on these because they have a picture, but I don't know what way they

556
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:53,000
fell out. So we'll just go with upright. Yeah. That's kind of what I was thinking. And I think

557
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:58,520
I think I pulled the Joker card because it's like a frog being dissected. Hold on. Let me look at it.

558
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:05,560
It's such a cool picture. But I was like, which way? Because, oh, I guess probably this way. So I

559
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:11,240
drew it in reverse. Okay. So you guys know I drew it this way. So it falls off the way. Okay.

560
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:18,280
The upright too can mean good fortune as a result of your ability to handle many things at once.

561
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:25,240
You manage to balance work and play and feel content with your situation.

562
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:31,400
Sometimes it shows you have many resources at your disposal and know how to use them well.

563
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:38,200
So donate with confidence. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I feel like this is mostly about the money

564
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:43,960
situation and the rebuilding stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Which I feel like that's typical of pentacles. Yeah.

565
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:49,800
In a reading about money, the upright too may mean doubling your money. Oh, yeah. I hope so.

566
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,160
Well, doubling it because they need to pay a lot more. Right.

567
01:09:53,160 --> 01:10:01,880
Perhaps by joining forces with a partner, you can profit more than you could alone.

568
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:08,680
In some cases, this card indicates two sources of income. So maybe they're going to start doing some

569
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:15,240
haunting, spooky, creepy tours. Oh, that's another source of revenue. Right. Just a suggestion.

570
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,400
I mean, they do do all those capetors. Yeah. Do do. There you go. Do do.

571
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:25,800
If the reading is about your job, the two can represent balancing work with downtime.

572
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:33,000
You need both to stay happy and healthy. It can also indicate a busy period when you have to juggle

573
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:41,640
projects or duties. Doodies. Sometimes it suggests choosing between two job offers or opportunities.

574
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:48,280
Oh, okay. So I the duality of it, I feel like we can see there's applications. Yeah.

575
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,840
Yeah, and I'm sure they're juggling like what project do you do first? Yeah.

576
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,480
One's going to be more important to like, yeah, the building structure. Yeah.

577
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:05,080
To any number of concerns that you would have in this case, in a reading about love, this card

578
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:09,800
may represent shared resources or working with a romantic partner.

579
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:17,400
I mean, all other situations. If you're hanging out together still in the afterlife and

580
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:23,720
holding by the way. I feel like honestly, he wouldn't be there. I feel like it would just be the

581
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,560
chicks. That would be the ones to stay because he would be like off somewhere else, bang,

582
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:35,560
and someone else in the afterlife. So frustrating. Perhaps running a business together. It's us.

583
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:41,160
So working together, running a business together. It can also mean you're trying to balance your work

584
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:48,120
and domestic life. Sometimes it indicates a choice between two partners. I wonder if they're

585
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:54,440
getting someone else to like own it with them, maybe who's bringing more of financial support.

586
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:58,760
Yeah. I mean, I really know what's going on with them, but yeah, possible. We're like, we don't know

587
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,560
them personally. We don't just just be clear. Maybe if you're listening, maybe you do need to

588
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:10,840
get someone else to help own the property with you. Partnership. A little idea from tarot, not from us.

589
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,560
So if it goes wrong, don't blame us. Hashtag not financially best.

590
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:26,520
Okay. And then our other card, use a 10 of cups, which is that family card where there's like

591
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:33,000
a house in the distance. There's like two children playing. So I feel like maybe it is going to get

592
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,000
like built up nice and new where families are going to come and stay again and

593
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,760
legislate. It's going to be a happy place. I hope so. With life, the Chateau.

594
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Okay. So our keywords are comfort, happiness, domestic bliss, love and harmony.

595
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:59,640
Oh my god, you guys. Yeah. Did I even talk about the, I might have talked about the chairs,

596
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:07,560
but this card is a chair. And I don't know if you remember, they have like the special old chairs

597
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:13,080
that they lost most of them in the flood. And so they're trying to like get more and rebuild them

598
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:19,480
the way that they were. And we got a freaking chair card. That is wild. How funny. That is wild.

599
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:29,320
Okay. All right. A card of fulfillment, which is a good sign, positive. The 10 of cups

600
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:36,120
represents a happy home, where love and harmony abide. Some decks show a contented couple

601
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:42,920
gazing at their beautiful home while their children play. Others picture the pair with flowers,

602
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:49,800
rainbows and other symbols of love and hope. You could think of this as the happy ever after card.

603
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:56,040
Like other tens, this card signifies a time of completion.

604
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:02,120
Yay. Yay. Hopefully soon. Yeah. 2025.

605
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:11,400
When you read the rewards of what you've sewn, life is good. Abundance in the true sense of the

606
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:18,920
word is yours. I can't even imagine that feeling when they do open back up. Yeah. All of the stuff

607
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,000
that they have gone through, it's going to happen. The cards are saying it's happening. I think so.

608
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:30,440
Yeah. I mean, like gosh. Okay. In a reading about money, you're in a position of financial

609
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:36,680
security and comfort, maybe because you brought in a partner. It's hard to say. Are we the partners?

610
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:43,960
Are we going to own half of this stuff? Your efforts pay off. Sometimes this 10 represents

611
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:49,880
family money and inheritance or marrying into wealth. We should all be so lucky. Okay.

612
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:58,920
If the reading is about your job, the upright 10 heralds rewards, respect and recognition.

613
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:08,440
We're recognizing you. We see you. We see you, Chateau. You're proud of what you've accomplished

614
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:13,640
and content with your success. Aw. Well, yeah. It's pretty easy to be content with success.

615
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:23,080
Can confirm from that one time. This card can also mean working in a successful family business.

616
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:30,920
It's talking, I feel like in both of these card interpretations about sort of like a partnership

617
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:37,000
being involved in business with someone who's close to you. You're going to be a vibe here. It's

618
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:44,280
cool. Yeah. They go together. I love it. In a reading about love, this card represents a loving,

619
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:51,160
supportive, joyful relationship. It indicates a happy family life where the people involved

620
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:59,160
share love openly and feel secure in their situation. Maybe it's going to flip the whole story of

621
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:04,120
this place on a tad a little bit. There's probably going to be no more shitty dudes cheating on

622
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:12,120
their newlywed wives with the housekeepers. Right. Because I bet you all of these housekeepers since

623
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:18,600
have been like, "Uh-oh." No. We heard what happened to the other housekeepers. She got taken advantage

624
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:25,800
of by this one guy and it'll never happen again. Not today, Satan. Yeah. It wasn't her fault. She got

625
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:32,200
taken advantage of by this dickhole. Okay. But they learned from her, not her mistake, his mistake.

626
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:40,760
Yeah. From the mistake. Yeah. They learned from that situation where people were hurt and feelings were

627
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:49,480
abused and people were not happy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was all the man's fault. Yeah.

628
01:16:49,480 --> 01:17:00,200
Smash the patriarchy. Where's my hammer necklace when I need it? Yeah. What are you going to do?

629
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:07,160
Well, that's all I have for those two cards. Okay. Yeah. So let's go for the full reverse. I feel like

630
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:14,920
these are more going to be the... Well, I was thinking about the ghost, but we'll see. We shall see.

631
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:25,960
Okay. So keywords for the full innocence, beginnings, trust, hope, and opportunity. And I'm not going

632
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:35,480
to read this crazy long intro on it because it describes mainly the traditional tarot and like

633
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:43,000
that imagery. And also you guys, how many bajillions of times have we read that to you? Well, I can...

634
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:48,360
I can picture. I do have something to say about the look of the card and then we can move on. But it's

635
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:54,840
kind of like on like a rocky mountain side. Like a cliff. So like... That is. You know. There's probably a cave

636
01:17:54,840 --> 01:18:02,840
down at the bottom. Could be. Could be. I don't know. I like it. Wait. Hold on. Oh my god. I just remembered. My

637
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:08,840
headphones were on the guys. Remember, I told you the story about how the cave was found by the man

638
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:15,560
and his dog in the pool has a dog on it. It's like a man and his dog together in the wilderness.

639
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:25,160
Okay. That's crazy. Mind a little bit flow. I'm so glad we're learning though because we... If we were

640
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:29,800
just doing these cards because they don't have the normal imagery. Yeah. If we didn't have at least

641
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:34,600
like the pool, it's kind of like an easy one to remember. But yeah. I'm glad we're learning because now we

642
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:40,040
know like what the card should look like. We can relate it to the tarot print itself. I think a lot of

643
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:47,800
this I don't really realize until in the moment. This is a really good. It's kind of a test, but it

644
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:53,080
like in a less scary way. Like not when you try to go get your drivers for bit. You know. Yeah. Using the

645
01:18:53,080 --> 01:19:00,440
the deck that's not the usual tarot. Yeah. No things. Yeah. I feel like I'm absorbing more than I thought.

646
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:07,800
We know things you guys. I'm so impressed with myself. I'm so glad even though we did this on a

647
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,520
different day that I had recalled that story of the man and his dog finding the cave. That's so

648
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:19,160
cool. I can't perfect remembered that. Me neither. Good for you. My brain is working. I love it.

649
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:30,040
Okay. Interesting. If the pool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored. Eager to try something new.

650
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:37,320
But now it's probably not the right time to act as it's your wedding night. Right. Or you're going

651
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,560
out looking for a cave and you're looking for hunting and you find a bear cave. Yeah.

652
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:51,640
I think of this as the don't quit your day job card. That's not to say what you want is wrong headed.

653
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:56,360
But you need to consider the pros and cons carefully before you walk off that cliff.

654
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:02,280
My other the other thing I was thinking of like when they started the construction of the building like

655
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,080
they were just they knew they needed it because they're kind of like blindly going into all of these

656
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:15,000
other things they didn't know were coming. Yeah. Oh boy. In reading about money, you may not have all

657
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:22,040
the information you need to make a well-founded decision. And impulsive action could lead to a fall.

658
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:26,680
Oh a fall like the like the whole building could fall down. Yeah.

659
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:34,520
Someone may take advantage of your innocence. I mean I don't know. I feel it's pretty pointed.

660
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:42,200
Yeah. Potentially of the wedding night. Yeah. The reverse fall can mean you're vacillating or overly

661
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:48,360
cautious about money matters. If the reading is about your job, your current situation has probably

662
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:55,480
led to a dead end or you've grown bored with your career path, you're on. It's time to strike out

663
01:20:55,480 --> 01:21:02,040
in a new direction. Don't do this hastily however. Gather information and explore possibilities.

664
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:07,000
So you know some of the unexpected things I feel like you were talking about.

665
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:12,840
Right. Or like with marrying someone I guess you don't really know because he turns out to be a

666
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:18,680
dickhead. So maybe get all the dickhead information. Some more. Yeah. It's funny. You should say that.

667
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:25,080
Yeah. I kind of was picking up a vibe here. Yeah. In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look

668
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:32,760
more closely at a partner or relationship. Things may not be what you think. God damn it. I know. I

669
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:40,840
don't like that. The reverse fall may also indicate the end of a relationship and greater freedom as a result.

670
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:48,920
I mean, she was free. Yeah. Okay.

671
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:59,480
Oh, okay. This feels kind of dark. I have chilees. Okay. I'm heave-dam-gee. I'm heave-dam-gee.

672
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:06,600
Think before you act however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily.

673
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:14,120
I feel like you might regret a breakup with your own life taken hastily maybe. Yeah.

674
01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:22,200
Okay. Or on his side, like if he did push her out the window, like, you're gonna regret that, bro,

675
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:28,200
because you I hope you went to hell. Yeah. Stay in hell and not the cool part. Like, okay, breakup,

676
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:35,400
kind of an understatement in that case. Yeah. Okay. Well, that was really cool. I love it. God,

677
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,880
I love it. We got the full card and then the freaking chair. Well, should we get out of here

678
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:45,240
seeing you do your thing? Do my thing. She got a thing today. She was something to do. I like

679
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:51,800
literally never have anything to do. No, it's usually me. I have a very important appointment.

680
01:22:51,800 --> 01:23:00,040
All right. Well, let's get her to it. All right. Have a creepy day. See you next Tuesday.

681
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:07,960
Let's you get lost in a cave and lose matches and then lose a dog and don't say that. You have to

682
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:15,880
live in a bear apartment forever. Oh, no. I mean, maybe it's snuggly. Did I mention I've a thing?

683
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:23,240
Now I'm like, I'm gonna get lost. I don't like any of this. Don't get lost near any caves.

684
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:33,960
I think I can manage that today. I hope. Bye.

685
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:43,960
[Music]

686
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:54,600
Oh, that was from the deep. I was thinking penis is maker's muse and you were like,

687
01:23:54,600 --> 01:24:00,840
oh, that was from the deep. Wait, penis is going to be-- Well, because we're talking about naked

688
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:06,040
bike ride and the new season, I was going to be like, oh, penis is making you sneeze. I don't know.

689
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:12,200
It's a dumb joke. It's like delicate lady-like sensibilities. Yeah.

690
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:18,920
Yeah, I'm basically like a Texas school, Marm.

691
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:28,840
She's naughty. She's nasty. We didn't say PNW if you nasty. We didn't-- I thought we did. No, we didn't.

692
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,640
Anyway, well, can do a bit nasty and we are. [laughs] pnwhauntsandhomicides.com