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He deemed the victims claim not sustained, which is a really polite way of saying we don't
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believe you and also we don't care.
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Like what does that even mean?
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Actually, this is what it means.
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He had the thin blue line to protect him from any harm, even if just to his reputation.
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Deserved or not.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where
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we chat about true crime.
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The paranormal and all things creepy and other witchy stuff and whatever we really feel
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like, frankly, in the Pacific Northwest.
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Or the PNW if you're nasty.
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You know what else is nasty?
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Oh, what?
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A tarot reading.
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Oh, and we do those.
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We do those.
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We do those at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic for
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the day.
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We do.
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So I guess before I get into it, you know, what kind of mood are you in?
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Are you feeling over there?
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What kind of mood should I be in?
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No, I'm just looking for a baseline.
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I was feeling pretty good.
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Not like great, not like bad.
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Oh, okay.
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Good.
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Cool.
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Well, if you're not angry by the end of this, then I'm just going to have to assume you weren't
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listening.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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She's like, great.
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Okay.
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Test.
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There will be a test at the end.
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Okay.
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Someone to pop quiz.
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Focus, Cassie.
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Or is there?
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All right.
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So we don't do this a ton.
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So hopefully this is all the warning that anybody who, you know, listens with regularity
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will need, but trigger warning for domestic violence, coercion, both psychological and
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sexual, as well as the emotional abuse of children and also that of a spousal relationship.
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And if you're sensitive about any of the aforementioned, should be super understandable, or
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about corruption and brutality at the hands of law enforcement, this is going to be a pretty
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rough one.
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Okay.
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She's like, I actually just remembered I have a thing.
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I have a thing.
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I will see later or I will see you in another time.
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Oh, what's that thing?
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My uber, see?
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Oh, yeah.
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I almost wore that tank top today.
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That's funny.
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Oh, well, you're not allowed to catch an uber.
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Fine.
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All right.
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I'm ready to get pissed.
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Yes.
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Let's go.
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All right.
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Tacoma police chief David Brame kept a picture in his office.
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A framed portrait of Al Pacino from his role as Michael Corleone in the cult classic The
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Godfather.
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Hmm.
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I'm sure that having him on my wall or can you picture the portrait?
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I've never seen that movie.
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I mean, I think I've seen parts of it.
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I don't know that I've actually sat down and watched it like all the way through.
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I know what he looks like older.
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I'm assuming he was younger than that or was he older than that?
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He is younger than that.
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That's a pretty old movie.
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Who does he play in that?
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Michael Corleone.
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I've very said I was like, she literally just said it.
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Yeah, it doesn't help because I don't know.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I need you to like mobster guys, right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So here's what I'm going to do.
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I don't think it's this portrait, but very similar.
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I'm assuming I will see if I can just air drop this.
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Oh, that's it?
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Yeah.
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You feel like the main character?
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Wow, that's really young.
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That's quite dashing.
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Maybe I should watch the movie.
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She's like, I'm going home and I'm watching the Godfather.
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Wait a minute.
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You didn't tell me there was a handsome man in it.
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Did you think that it was about like a Godfather like at the church being like there for the
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baptism or?
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No, I knew what it was about.
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You know, I watched Gilmore Girls and they watched that on Gilmore Girls.
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So it's kind of like I watched this.
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Basically the same.
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I'm sure.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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All right.
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So now you know.
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Okay.
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No, no.
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Thank you.
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I'm informed.
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Yes.
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The portrait was a gift.
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Apparently part of an inside joke amongst him and a bunch of his cop buddies, which is I'm not
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going to lie, that was an immediate red flag for me because I don't know a lot of cops that
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would be like, yeah, I'm going to hang that on my wall.
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Yeah.
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If they did the legal stuff in that movie, right?
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Yeah, like quite a bit.
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It's like kind of the whole thing.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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All them.
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Weird.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, sincerely - XOXO "The Clitorati"
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I like it.
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I just hate that.
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I just hate that.
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I mean, they would never like use like a term that downplays that for a woman.
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Yeah.
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And be like, seriously?
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Yeah.
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So why, why, why are met and why are we excusing men?
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Do you know why?
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No.
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I know why.
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Why?
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Also Taylor Swift knows why.
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Huh.
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Because the play is going to play.
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Well, that's.
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Play is going to play.
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No.
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No.
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He was a man destined for success in all avenues, seemingly.
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He was the classic high school sports star turned small time local celebrity.
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I could see that.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, we had to pause from my audible I roll.
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After graduating from Lincoln high school, he followed in his father's footsteps as a
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second generation law enforcement officer.
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When he joined the force in 1981, it wasn't just his father already established in law
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enforcement.
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He joined three other family members already serving with a badge.
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Whoo.
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It's a cop family.
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Beneath his shiny all American hometown hero exterior, there were a few.
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Cobwebs.
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He needs a swiffer Duster.
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Yeah, they were real big spiders.
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Brame's start in law enforcement.
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Perhaps hadn't been the easiest.
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He took three psychological evaluations before he was deemed eligible.
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Was he deemed eligible on the third one or on the fourth one?
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Mm-hmm.
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And it's a little unclear.
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It's kind of neither here nor there in the end.
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But yeah.
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There's a lot of follow up questions.
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Few new or noticed.
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Braim had also submitted what some job screeners called a questionable list of personal references
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that were incomplete and misleading.
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He still got the job.
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Of course he did.
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He is a white man.
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That's probably fine.
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Yeah.
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As chief, he seemed to take after the man who hung on his wall, promoting those he favored
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and ensuring that those he didn't were too fearful to move against him.
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Yikes.
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Which is definitely what you want when someone's in a position of power.
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Yeah.
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You have to be feared.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise you're just going to get someone else is going to take power, right?
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Exactly.
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It reminds me of actually, and it's funny and the story is not funny, but I just pictured
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that scene where Michael Scott, they were asking him, do you want people to love you or fear
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you?
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And he's like, I want people to be afraid of how much they love me.
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People were actually afraid of saying anything against him or trying to bring attention to
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anything that he might be doing wrong, and that apparently included far more serious crimes,
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including that one time that he was accused of rape.
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I forgot you were talking about that shit.
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Yeah.
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Man.
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The 1988 internal investigations complaint was kept relatively quiet by the department.
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So remember, this is well prior to him becoming the chief also.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Then chief Ray Fetland, which it's like a Finnish name, so there's like F's and J's.
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I'm just guessing at the pronunciation there.
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He deemed the victims claim not sustained.
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Which is a really polite way of saying we don't believe you and also we don't care.
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Like, what does that even mean?
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Actually, this is what it means.
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He had the thin blue line to protect him from any harm, even if just to his reputation,
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deserved or not.
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A frightening departmental cover up has come to light years since.
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Reportedly, a fellow police officer stated that Braim had admitted to the rape.
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This fellow officer agreed not to speak up if Braim went for counseling.
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Which is particularly upsetting given the fact that a detective who investigated the case
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in question stated there was definitely there was definitely enough evidence to sustain
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a charge despite what the chief said at the time.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Put a pin in that for now because it wasn't his only overtly sexual misconduct.
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Oh, I can't imagine that would be it.
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Yeah.
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Usually, we don't.
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Yeah, it's kind of a...
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Becomes a pattern far too often?
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A female officer, a single mother of a six-year-old daughter, detailed numerous conversations
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both in person and over the phone, including in her off-duty time, that occurred as a means
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of trying to coerce her into having group sex with him and his wife.
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Was his wife involved?
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Yes and no.
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I think we're going to have a little bit of an opportunity to revisit that in greater
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detail.
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So interesting.
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Yeah.
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Did I mention that she was also trying to make detective?
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Hmm.
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I don't think you did.
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Yeah.
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If you did it, it went over my head.
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I didn't.
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I'm...
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I...
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Like, I literally put it in my notes.
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Did I mention?
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I don't know.
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I can't trust my own brain.
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I mean, that's fair.
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Same.
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God.
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Yeah.
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So, of course, he is like trying to...
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Yep.
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And this is literally the type of shit that brought on.
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It brought about the Me Too movement because as someone who's in a position of power, this
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is her livelihood.
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She's a single mother.
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And a lot of people would feel like they have no other choice.
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For real.
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It's a very sad and desperate circumstance that you could be put in.
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Yeah.
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What year did you say this was?
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So, at the time of the rape allegation, that was 1988.
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Oh, okay.
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So, like, not even close to the Me Too movement.
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No.
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Not really.
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Yeah, we're like not really.
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It's like not...
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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Yeah.
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Like, 40 years later.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Ugh.
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In case you hadn't guessed, today, our story is about a bad cop.
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You know, one of those bad apples we keep hearing about.
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Here.
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Stinky.
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Yeah.
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A really deeply troubled man in more ways than one.
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Or as he was described by an article by the news tribune, a human resources newt.
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A joke.
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A roadmap of wrong turns and bad decisions.
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Geez.
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That's a really good way to describe it though, the human resources newt.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, because that's exactly what he is.
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Yeah.
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And that is on the less serious end of the spectrum.
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But enough about his professional feelings and misdeeds for now.
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Don't worry.
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We'll totally come back to that.
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So neither she or her family were familiar with the term at the time, his wife, Crystal.
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Formerly known as Crystal Judson or more affectionately, Crissy Boo, all, was all too well-equainted
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with her husband's frequent gaslighting.
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He would send her flowers anonymously, calling himself a secret admirer.
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According to a accused Crystal of having an affair when she questioned who sent the flowers.
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What?
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This is some seriously psychoshit.
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Meanwhile, he was the one trying to coerce female officers into having three sums.
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I mean, that's how it goes.
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The one who's cheating accuses the other one.
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Yup.
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Cheating.
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We know that ain't the pot.
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He closely monitored the odometer on her car as well as her weight.
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Why?
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He may have made some particularly questionable comments about her appearance that have been
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documented in a number of the sources that I used for this.
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Hmm.
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I'm sure he was a perfect kind of guy, huh?
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I mean, he was relatively physically fit, but yeah, I mean, she was a very petite woman.
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But it's about control.
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Oh, yeah.
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It was all about control.
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Yeah.
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And of course, it extended to their finances as well to say that he was tight-fisted would
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have been an understatement.
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While he couldn't prevent her from having pockets, he wouldn't allow her to have a checking
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account.
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And I didn't actually specifically add this into my notes.
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It's just something that every time as I've been proofing my notes and thinking about this
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case, it just keeps flooding back to me from the book that I read.
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And somebody, I think it was a family member of hers that talked about at one point they
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were with Crystal and she was like, I don't know how I can get away.
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Like he gives me this crazy type budget for groceries for, you know, our whole family
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and he's checking her odometer.
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Like she literally can't go too far.
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And they said that as she's telling this story, she was like, at this very moment, I have less
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than a dollar available for gas.
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She had like 50 cents in her pocket.
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Now granted gas was like less than a dollar back then.
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And that's, you know, a single gallon.
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I just the way that he controlled her in, I mean, every aspect of her life, their kids'
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lives really, really scary.
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Scary to be in that situation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Knowing like on the other side of it could have been worse too.
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Like I have experience with this stuff and it wasn't as severe.
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But like if I had stayed, right, I'm sure it would have gotten that experience.
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Things have a tendency to escalate.
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Yeah.
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That's usually how it goes.
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I mean, we all want to believe that things will get better, right?
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They get better if you leave.
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Yeah.
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Even if you have 50 cents.
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Yeah.
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I mean, just.
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It's just, it's such a classic story.
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Yeah.
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Initially, Crystal's parents had steered clear of any conflict within their daughter's marriage
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unaware they were seeing warning signs, which I will say as the parents, it's a smart
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strategy to not, you know, getting gross or but your head in with, you know, your kids'
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family life or marriage until there's a problem.
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And when they're, you know, when it became apparent to them that something was really wrong,
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they were leading the charge to try to help Crystal and their grandchildren.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the kids make it like a thousand bazillion times harder to do anything.
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For sure.
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Even petty arguments and emotionally abusive or coercive behavior gave way to physical violence.
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David would still claim to be the victim of abuse at Crystal's hands.
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She couldn't have weighed more than 120 pounds soaking wet.
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Sorry, I'm laughing because I am.
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It's so unbelievable.
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Yeah.
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It's so unbelievable.
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This is like a man who outweighs her has, you know, we're talking about potentially, I think
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he probably had somewhere between 60 and 80 pounds on her.
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He's probably, you know, yeah, maybe not a full foot taller than her, but like I'm sorry,
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the physical advantage.
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And that's not to say that men aren't abused.
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And even in a dynamic where this falls, oh, yeah, for sure.
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But that is so not what was happening here.
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You look at all the other evidence and it's like obvious.
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It's obvious who is abusing who when you see all the like other things that they will do.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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However, despite all the established threats and conflict after 12 years of escalating degradation
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and disagreements, Crystal was ready to leave.
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Her decision was likely hastened in no small part by her husband behaving suspiciously as
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he prepared to leave for his evening shift one night.
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We're going to talk about this a little bit more.
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Okay.
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Because there's some really important aspects to Crystal's background that inform this scenario
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and make it all that much more heartbreaking.
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He tried to get her to handle his gun before he left.
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And we're going to talk about why.
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Okay.
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We'll come back to that.
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So I have a lot of notes.
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A lot of notes I have actually some excerpts that I'm going to read from the book that I
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used kind of to supplement what information is out there from really great like newspaper
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articles and things.
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There are a couple of specific excerpts that I'm going to read.
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We'll do like a little Patreon bonus because I think it's really important to understand.
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One of these pieces of her background and the logic behind it.
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It is chilling.
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I understood in a way why that made her so fearful.
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I think there's, I think you can just understand that someone is behaving really strangely.
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And I think there's intuition piece of it but there's so much more to it and it just, it
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brought me to tears.
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It was just, it was too much.
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And you're going to read it to us?
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I think you need to know that piece of it.
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I think it's important to understand about Crystal and about the situation.
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So yeah, I'm going to read it.
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Within weeks Crystal had packed up for her parents and taken the children with her and even filed
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for divorce.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I mean that's like she put her big girl pants on and she was like, listen, I'm afraid of
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him and this is dangerous and but I have to make a change.
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And that is a really, really hard thing to do.
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Yeah.
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And usually takes more than one dry.
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Yeah.
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Oh gosh, and the kids.
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Yeah.
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At work, David droned on and on about his failing marriage to anyone unfortunate enough
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to have lent a willing ear.
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We fix it.
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The chilling details of David's abuse would only be revealed in court papers once her
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mind was made up.
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Crystal stated he had tried to choke her four times the very same year he had been promoted
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to chief.
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Oh, she also detailed threats he'd been leveling against her with his service weapon.
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God.
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Prompting her to move out and initiate the divorce proceedings.
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Still, even with 70 pounds and nearly a foot of height on Crystal's much smaller frame,
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David claimed Crystal was the abuser in the brain family home.
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I know he touched on that, but I just, it's just shut up.
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Just shut up.
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All right.
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Now, this next part taken word for word from my source material.
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As far back as 1996 court papers indicate he was telling gig harbor police that he was
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being physically abused by her and was ashamed to admit it, possibly laying the groundwork
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for a defense should his abusive habit come to light.
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Geez.
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He's just a sneaky little snake.
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Yeah, I mean, playing the long game, I guess.
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Crystal's parents, Lane and Patty Judson could stay out of it no longer.
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They would become domestic violence advocates henceforth.
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Like them.
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We didn't even know what domestic violence was until this happened to our daughter.
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Her father said.
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The thought that their daughter's husband might threaten that he could snap her neck if he
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wanted to was a new and alarming sensation.
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The whole family seemed finally to be aware of just how violent and unstable David
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Brame could be.
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It should come as no surprise that Crystal had tried to leave before.
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In 1998, Crystal was scared, miserable, likely some combination of both at every waking moment.
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And she was motivated to try meeting a divorce attorney secretly in downtown Tacoma.
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Starting to her father, David Brame showed up unannounced and took over the meeting.
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How did he know?
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Adding that his son-in-law had several officers sit in a police car outside the attorney's
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office.
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Though Crystal's father would attempt to assist her in setting up another meeting with
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an attorney following that incident, it would be roughly another five years before
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she filed for divorce in February 2003.
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It reminds me of the, was it murder at the end of the world where she tried to leave him
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and went through this whole crazy thing.
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I won't get into it.
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And then he was there.
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Yeah.
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Because it's like I own you and I know everything that happens.
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You can't get anything past me.
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But David Brame was not one to give up easily.
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After all the mind games, playing cat and mouse clearly amused him.
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He continued gaslighting Crystal and claiming he told everyone she was crazy.
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Worse still, he threatened that if she tried to leave, he'd take away their kids.
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The intimidation didn't stop there.
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At an April 10th divorce-related court hearing, he appeared with a show of force that would be,
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I think even if you were a cop yourself, it would prove intimidating.
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I mean to nearly anyone.
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By his side were three other to come up police officers, which is like why?
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Yeah. What fucking role did they play in your divorce proceedings?
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One of them was assistant chief Catherine Woodard, a woman.
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Uh-huh.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's not the first and not the last time that I came across her name in this story and I
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got to say there's a special place in hell for women that let men get away with terrible
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things and are terrible to their fellow woman.
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Not saying that Catherine is or did or allegedly.
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Allegedly.
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Allegently.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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So, um, she would later become briefly the acting chief.
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Uh.
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Yeah.
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David isn't going to be the chief forever.
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Mm-hmm.
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I, but I can't imagine why.
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She was placed on administrative leave as of May 1st.
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This year?
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Uh, new.
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Oh, I was going to be of what?
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Yeah, it's going to be of 2003.
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Um, and it's going to correlate with some very specific events that take place and, um,
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so I'll have to say about that.
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Okay.
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Speaking to the impact of that show of force for Crystal, those closest to her shared that
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she felt that she had to go up against the entire police department.
528
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Well, yeah.
529
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Clearly.
530
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,960
Because she kind of did.
531
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Woodard would go on after some very troubling events that happened that, um, I'm going
532
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,000
to tell you about in a second.
533
00:31:53,000 --> 00:32:01,240
Um, she would say there were no warning signs, which further reading has proven to be
534
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120
in surveys that's a lie.
535
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,240
Where's, where's more when you need them?
536
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,560
I remember reading the passage and going, are you fucking kidding me?
537
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Yeah.
538
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440
No warning sites.
539
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,400
So we're just lying to each other's faces now.
540
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,200
I can't wait until you tell us all the warning signs.
541
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200
What?
542
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,160
No, Kathy's trying to get my goat now too.
543
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Okay.
544
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Okay.
545
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:39,000
Two weeks before the incident, Crystal complained of intimidation and death threats by
546
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,880
her recently estranged husband.
547
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:50,760
She called 911 after a weekend transfer of the couple's two children turned ugly.
548
00:32:50,760 --> 00:33:00,080
Daddy, brain brought assistant chief Catherine Woodard along for the exchange because of course
549
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,200
every custody exchange needs a police escort.
550
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Wow.
551
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:13,640
A group of officers learned of the incident and anonymously sent a note to the city manager
552
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,040
seeking an investigation into the inappropriate behavior.
553
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
The complaint was essentially ignored.
554
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,960
I know you're shocked.
555
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,040
I was like, yeah.
556
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Yeah.
557
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,040
Oh, okay.
558
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:36,040
The city manager essentially stated that he wouldn't respond to anonymous complaints.
559
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,480
Which seems like I don't think you get to decide that actually.
560
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280
I think you need to investigate that.
561
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280
Okay.
562
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,280
Yep.
563
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,280
It's anonymous.
564
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,280
It doesn't matter.
565
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,120
It's a guy called and said someone's murdered on the street, but it was anonymous.
566
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,120
Yeah, it was anonymous.
567
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,120
Probably not real.
568
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,120
Yeah.
569
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280
So I mean, he's dead, but it's a bummer because the complaint was anonymous.
570
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,920
So what are you thinking about it?
571
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Sorry.
572
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,920
Nothing to be done.
573
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,920
Anonymous.
574
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,920
Oh my God.
575
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,240
There's so many examples that tie this bitch into it that I forgot about.
576
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:12,760
That's, I thought this was where I was going to tell you the thing that makes her a dirty,
577
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,960
dirty cunt.
578
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,200
And that's not even the thing.
579
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,200
This is a different one.
580
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Oh God.
581
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,200
There's so many things.
582
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
She's fucking terrible.
583
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,840
Assuming she wasn't like being threatened by him.
584
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,280
I mean, maybe she was, but she does some stuff that.
585
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,280
Okay.
586
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,280
Yeah.
587
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Anyways.
588
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:39,120
You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you.
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Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties.
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00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Hi, I'm Shaun.
591
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,080
And I'm John.
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00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,200
We're the hosts of Sins & Survivors, a Las Vegas True Crime podcast.
593
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,240
Each week we cover important true crime stories from Nevada, focusing on the Las Vegas area.
594
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,240
We cover current cases in the news, as well as cold cases and missing persons, but there's
595
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a twist.
596
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:04,160
Our focus is primarily on crimes with a domestic violence component.
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00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,080
Sins & Survivors is centered on the victims and the families they leave behind.
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00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Our goal is not only to tell the stories, but also provide victims with resources to help
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00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,200
in their own lives.
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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,920
We're focused on Las Vegas, but as we'll remind you in every episode, what happens here,
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00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,120
happens everywhere.
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00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,880
So listen now wherever you get your podcasts or just visit Sins & Survivors.com.
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00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,400
Check them out, creepy people.
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00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,480
You can find their info in our show notes.
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Days before the incident, as word of Braim's divorce and allegations of domestic abuse were
606
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becoming public.
607
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The city manager continued with what had essentially become the party line that the chief's divorce
608
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:55,800
was a civil matter and again declined to take action.
609
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,800
Just so they want to do anything to them.
610
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:04,360
He's like, I'm really not interested in commenting on that or taking any sort of action about
611
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:12,240
any allegations made against the chief that is not of interest to me.
612
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:18,360
April 24, 2003 was Crystal's 35th birthday.
613
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,080
That night, her soon-to-be ex-husband called her from Las Vegas, where he was attending
614
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,200
a labor management seminar.
615
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,520
He said, I have a really big birthday gift for you.
616
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,520
But you'll have to wait until I get home because I have to give it to you in person.
617
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,480
I don't want it.
618
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Just the thing, if it was anybody else, I would have assumed that was a dick joke.
619
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,080
I didn't even think about that.
620
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Yeah, it's cute.
621
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,400
If your nice husband's calling you from Vegas, I hate you.
622
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,400
I miss you so much.
623
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,400
I got a really big present for you.
624
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Yeah, no, it wasn't that way.
625
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Was definitely in the horror movie.
626
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:09,960
When the call's coming from inside the house, type of situation.
627
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,280
So it was specifically the following day, April 25th, when news stories really seemed to
628
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,880
hit full force about the chief's divorce.
629
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,320
So there's been some things kind of slowly coming out.
630
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,240
There's a little bit of information about allegations, and then all of a sudden it's like,
631
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,320
everybody knows your business.
632
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Like, a lot of it.
633
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:42,160
News of the city's human resources department, they met with city attorneys and discussed
634
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:51,320
what I can only imagine was euphemistically described as an inflammatory situation.
635
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Leaders within HR said they recommended placing Braime on administrative leave as well as
636
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,680
taking his badge and gun.
637
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,920
Yeah, please take the gun.
638
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:11,320
City attorney said they heard no such recommendation.
639
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:17,040
And in light of what happened the following day, it makes sense they'd want to claim very
640
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,360
same in their position.
641
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,960
No, no, I don't want to.
642
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,720
I don't want to hear the end.
643
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:27,720
Yeah.
644
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:33,880
I mean, hey, listen, whether I work in HR or as like an attorney for the city, I'm going
645
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,520
to say, I would want to, I would want to play the fifth.
646
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,120
I'd be like, nope, never heard of any of that before.
647
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,120
Yeah.
648
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Nope.
649
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:50,480
So that very next day, April 26th would be marked by gun violence that in this country,
650
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,880
I think we've all been a little desensitized to unfortunately.
651
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:03,440
So sadly, I have a feeling that this might not feel all that shocking.
652
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:10,440
I think we're a little bit numb to the death tolls being in the double digits and the senseless
653
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:19,640
loss of innocent life, even when it comes to children at this point, I mean, but this is
654
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,000
pretty rough.
655
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:31,300
Investigators say Brame 44 shot his wife, Crystal in the head, then killed himself inside her
656
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:37,540
car at a shopping center parking lot after what police believe was a pre-arranged meeting
657
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Saturday.
658
00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:43,980
I don't know that this was a pre-arranged meeting.
659
00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:51,060
I think some of the early articles said that it was, but other sources that I read that
660
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:58,980
as kind of the case develops seem to indicate like, no, he cornered her.
661
00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:05,060
In his wife, 35-year-old Crystal Brame had been going through a divorce.
662
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:10,620
The day before the shootings, as we all know, allegations that he had abused his wife were
663
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:17,020
made public, though to be fair, they weren't the first.
664
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:25,020
The chief put their kids, Haley, who was eight years old, and David Jr., who was five in his
665
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:29,420
car before getting in his wife's vehicle.
666
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:35,980
After a heated conversation, witnesses reported hearing two shots.
667
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:43,620
Medics found Crystal Brame lying on the pavement next to the open driver's door.
668
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:48,740
Witnesses who saw to come a police chief, David Brame, shoot his estranged wife in a parking
669
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:53,860
lot just south of Seattle.
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00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:59,180
Remember one thing in particular, the couple's children.
671
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:06,900
They were nearby when their father shot their mother before turning the gun on himself.
672
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:15,820
This is a quote from one of the newspaper articles that talked to a witness.
673
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:26,260
The girl was over top of her mother after she had been shot and was pulled off by a witness.
674
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:27,260
That was actually...
675
00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:31,500
There's a couple of different quotes in here about the family.
676
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:37,380
This one was Ed Troyer of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department.
677
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:43,860
Another witness to the shooting said, "Anybody that was out here heard the children screaming.
678
00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:48,500
They were terrified."
679
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:54,900
Following the horrific murder suicide with Brame now deceased, both his vehicle and workspace,
680
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:58,540
could be searched without obtaining a warrant.
681
00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:05,860
The apartment where Brame had lived for just nine days was also searched.
682
00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:12,660
No suicide note was found, though Pierce County detectives did take a laptop, along with
683
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:19,860
a briefcase and its contents, as well as a mini cassette tape from his apartment.
684
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:26,500
Beyond that, little appears to have been publicly shared regarding the results of the search.
685
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:34,860
Probably a lot of that has to do with, you know, there's not a trial.
686
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:40,580
And while either her husband was found dead at the scene or just no one cared to report
687
00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:48,140
on the details of his status following the horrific crime, Crystal hung to life following
688
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:50,660
the horrific shooting.
689
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:52,660
She didn't die right away.
690
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:56,660
She was with her daughter.
691
00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:57,660
Yeah.
692
00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:05,660
Her injuries were detailed in reporting.
693
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:10,820
The bullet entered the left side of her brain on a downward trajectory all the way to the
694
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:16,900
base of her skull, causing significant damage on its path.
695
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:23,100
Though she was initially admitted in extreme critical condition with little expectation
696
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:31,620
of survival, she had shown unexpected progress in the following days, impressing the doctors
697
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:33,900
on staff.
698
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:36,660
She was a real like Crystal.
699
00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:45,540
By the late hours of May 2nd, however, her condition had rapidly deteriorated.
700
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:51,820
This may have been due to rapid encephalitis, or it could have been due to a possible seizure
701
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:59,740
or other metabolic causes, but the end result was the same, regardless.
702
00:43:59,740 --> 00:44:07,380
At approximately 8 a.m. on Saturday, May 3rd, 2003, tests were administered on Crystal to
703
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:10,940
determine if there was any brain activity.
704
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:13,900
There was none.
705
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:19,060
Additional testing was administered to confirm the results of the initial test.
706
00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:24,780
Again, there was no sign of any brain activity.
707
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:31,300
Crystal's condition was determined to be irreversible and she was declared dead.
708
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:36,340
She died Saturday, May 3rd, at 4.40 p.m.
709
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:41,700
She lived for a week following the shooting.
710
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:46,820
It's like amazing, but I'm sure it gave all of her family so much hope.
711
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:56,180
I think the worst part is that I think when she first went into the hospital, I don't
712
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:58,060
think that they were hopeful.
713
00:44:58,060 --> 00:45:05,220
I think it seems like the communication from the medical staff there was that the chances
714
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:07,740
of her surviving were very slim.
715
00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:16,100
Even if she did, the damage that had been done to her brain at that point was so severe.
716
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:24,460
But the fact that she came in and she was in really bad shape, and then seemingly she
717
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:31,740
starts what might have looked like, "Oh my gosh, is she going to make a miraculous recovery?"
718
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:37,820
And then out of nowhere, just declines again.
719
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:41,220
I can't even imagine.
720
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:45,900
I think no matter what you're told, the fact that she's...
721
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:47,900
She's still here.
722
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:56,620
So they had a week of grieving her because she's not there.
723
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:57,620
Yeah.
724
00:45:57,620 --> 00:46:05,780
But until she actually passed, I feel like you live in this limbo and you can't really fully
725
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:10,540
process that loss and that grief.
726
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:15,500
The only right side is that she didn't die that day.
727
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:19,500
They got to say they're goodbyes to her.
728
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:24,620
Obviously she wasn't conscious.
729
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:32,900
The earliest research on police who perpetrated domestic violence came out in the 1990s, finding
730
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:42,300
that 40% of officers surveyed had assaulted family members in the last six months.
731
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:47,100
The research since then has been sparse and highly variable.
732
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,100
40%.
733
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,100
Oh, sorry, 40%.
734
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:52,100
40%.
735
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,100
Jesus.
736
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,100
Look to your left.
737
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:55,100
Look to your right.
738
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:56,100
Essentially.
739
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,700
That's almost a coin toss.
740
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:03,420
And how many didn't admit to it or isn't reported?
741
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:05,100
Obviously, we know that.
742
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:07,900
That old thing, how many aren't reported?
743
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:08,900
Yeah.
744
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:15,580
And I don't know specifically if this study is generally regarded as having been a high
745
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:19,380
quality study now.
746
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:26,020
Because sometimes we look back and we understand that the controls weren't valid.
747
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:32,580
There's so many things that can invalidate a study.
748
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:34,940
I just don't know if that's a case with this one or not.
749
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:37,220
I would say it's pretty believable to me.
750
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:39,860
I don't think it would be lower than that.
751
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:40,860
Yeah.
752
00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:48,300
While we may not know the numbers, we do know the power dynamic is uniquely imbalanced,
753
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:52,700
even compared to other domestic violence cases.
754
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:58,540
These officers have been trained not only to act as authority figures within society,
755
00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:06,460
but they are also permitted in many cases to use force to enact said authority.
756
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:12,420
And sadly, as has been evidenced, when an officer acts in a way that represents excessive
757
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:21,260
force or undue violence, they may often be legally protected and met by few if any consequences.
758
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:30,100
In some cases, the coupling of advanced training and access to weapons can lead to not only
759
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:35,100
abuse, but fatality.
760
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:41,100
I'm going straight from source material here in this next part because I cannot even pretend
761
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:46,980
to have a more eloquent way to put this right now.
762
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:53,980
I'm like, I'm going to cry and also if I cry too much, then I'll snot all over and I'm
763
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:55,660
shaking with rage.
764
00:48:55,660 --> 00:49:07,660
And anyways, the blue wall of silence promotes secrecy around conflict rather than encouraging
765
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:09,860
intervention.
766
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:17,060
Similarly, the development of the warrior cop and a violent form of militarized masculinity
767
00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:23,700
empowers abuse while also punishing survivors who come forward.
768
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:30,300
And I also want to share a quote from Carolyn Drake's piece in the Seattle PI, which is
769
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:35,620
always a fantastic source in my experience.
770
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:44,340
Drake violence kills more women each year than breast cancer.
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00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:48,940
End quote, let that sink in.
772
00:49:48,940 --> 00:49:54,020
And I'm hard pressed to think of anyone more willing or eager to make a cheap joke about
773
00:49:54,020 --> 00:50:02,860
those fleshy fat sex than either myself or Cassie, but in a rare moment of restraint,
774
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:08,460
I'll say this instead, nearly all of us have boobs, probably arguably more of us than
775
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:16,820
have romantic or domestic partners, but still it's the latter that's killing more of us.
776
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:17,820
Right?
777
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:20,220
How many bears kill women in a year?
778
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:21,380
I know.
779
00:50:21,380 --> 00:50:23,620
I thought about that several times during this.
780
00:50:23,620 --> 00:50:30,060
I'm like, and we're still having this debate.
781
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:37,860
And so many women have put forth like the most eloquent and honestly logical arguments
782
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:41,140
about why their team bear.
783
00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:48,380
And you're just like, I'm sorry, it just, we don't even need that level of explanation.
784
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:49,380
Yeah.
785
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:52,980
But thank you for doing it because maybe it'll help some of the dumb dumbs out there.
786
00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:56,780
Well, we have to start woman explaining things to them.
787
00:50:56,780 --> 00:51:03,140
The statistics grow more and more abysmal as we examine the figures related to women of
788
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:04,140
color.
789
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:10,220
And of course, other minority groups such as transgender women.
790
00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:26,180
When Braim was brought on his chief, the salary range for his position was $87,027 to $134,9992.
791
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:36,420
The Tacoma Police Department had a biannual budget of $102,000,000 and employed 378 sworn
792
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:38,980
officers.
793
00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:47,620
These stats date back to 2001 before this entire tragedy unfolded.
794
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:57,620
But we've given people a badge with what feels like almost a limited authority.
795
00:51:57,620 --> 00:52:01,060
And we've given that to an average person.
796
00:52:01,060 --> 00:52:07,340
And we're paying them into the six figures, which a lot of people are going to have a lot
797
00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:09,620
of feelings about.
798
00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:17,180
But I would argue, let's take it a step further because I think our government owes
799
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:26,980
it to its people to make sure that people on the payroll, especially in those positions,
800
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:35,580
don't pose a threat to the very citizens that they're intended to be protecting or serving
801
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:38,020
in some other capacity.
802
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:44,020
Yeah, it just, it seems like it should be a very logical and straightforward thing.
803
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:45,020
Yeah.
804
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:49,180
But it's not.
805
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:50,460
Should we take a break for tarot?
806
00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:51,460
I think we should.
807
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,860
Let's do tarot after we...
808
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:56,580
We're going to snack first.
809
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:57,580
Snack first?
810
00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:58,580
Yeah.
811
00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:00,260
Can't do tarot on an empty stomach.
812
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:01,860
No, we can't.
813
00:53:01,860 --> 00:53:07,300
Simply calm.
814
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:08,980
So we're at the tarot.
815
00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:10,980
We are at the tarot.
816
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:16,420
And we grab our tarot, book.
817
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:18,420
Okay.
818
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:21,980
Ooh, and she didn't blow out any candles this time.
819
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:27,780
I'm just surprised that that did it.
820
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:28,780
What was her name?
821
00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:29,780
Oh, Crystal?
822
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:30,780
Yes.
823
00:53:30,780 --> 00:53:31,780
Crystal.
824
00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:33,780
This one just popped out.
825
00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:34,780
Yeah, and I see it.
826
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:40,540
This was on the underside of one half of the deck, like the first time that I shuffled.
827
00:53:40,540 --> 00:53:43,900
Okay, that's really weird.
828
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:44,900
There's a couple like weird...
829
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:45,900
I don't know, it's weird.
830
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:46,900
Oh, it's weird.
831
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,660
This is the Nine of Cups.
832
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:51,660
Oh my gosh.
833
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:56,500
It's so weird that I was like, I was asking her name and it's like Crystal and then there's
834
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,580
like a pearl in there.
835
00:53:58,580 --> 00:53:59,580
Yeah.
836
00:53:59,580 --> 00:54:02,980
I count Pearls as crystals, whatever.
837
00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:04,060
I think they count.
838
00:54:04,060 --> 00:54:05,060
I think they count.
839
00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:06,060
Ooh, okay.
840
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:09,100
So we got nine of cups upright.
841
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:10,100
Yeah.
842
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:17,020
It's so wild too, because I just feel like it's such a positive card, but I was seeing
843
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:19,020
it as we're like shuffling.
844
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:20,020
And they're cool.
845
00:54:20,020 --> 00:54:21,020
I don't know.
846
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:22,020
Okay.
847
00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:23,020
It's the card.
848
00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:24,020
I guess.
849
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:25,020
It's a Pacific oyster.
850
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:26,020
Just you know.
851
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:27,020
Yeah.
852
00:54:27,020 --> 00:54:28,020
Yeah, she is.
853
00:54:28,020 --> 00:54:34,300
Well, and I was thinking as I'm like that one popped out, I might still draw another
854
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:35,300
card.
855
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:39,020
We might have to, because I feel like this might leave us a little bit like, huh?
856
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:43,620
Okay.
857
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:46,340
Keywords are wishes come true.
858
00:54:46,340 --> 00:54:48,100
Good luck.
859
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:53,340
Happiness, abundance and generosity.
860
00:54:53,340 --> 00:55:00,220
Often called the wish card, the nine of cups is the most fortunate of all cards and both
861
00:55:00,220 --> 00:55:03,500
well in any reading.
862
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:10,020
Some decks show a wealthy person, perhaps a tavern owner or in-keeper, sharing his or her
863
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:14,300
largest with others, filling their cups.
864
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:19,260
You've received a position of comfort, abundance and happiness.
865
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:27,100
Now you eagerly share your wealth, your warmth, love, good cheer, and other goodies with
866
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:28,900
people you care about.
867
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:32,060
The universe is smiling on you.
868
00:55:32,060 --> 00:55:38,540
I'm like as soon as you started reading it, I just like got her parents, like her, yeah,
869
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:40,140
the vibe of her parents.
870
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:42,780
And like this is like how her life should have been.
871
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:50,220
Her parents were supposed to swoop in and help her out and share their wealth with her,
872
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:52,180
you know, like, help her.
873
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:57,820
Well, and knowing, knowing a little bit more about Crystal's background, because I'm going
874
00:55:57,820 --> 00:56:04,780
to read some extra excerpts for the Patreon, I think there's a lot about Crystal that
875
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:13,300
unless you're really willing to kind of dig in a bit deeper, it's not told in the surface
876
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:20,380
level story that I feel like maybe I'm connecting with some of those pieces.
877
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:21,380
I am really interested.
878
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:27,100
I'm really excited to kind of delve into some more of the background stuff that I have.
879
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:29,340
Look out, Patreon.
880
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:33,300
But I'm going to finish the tarot first.
881
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:34,300
Yeah.
882
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:35,300
One thing at a time.
883
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,260
Yeah.
884
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:42,820
In a reading about money, you can expect good fortune when this card appears.
885
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:48,060
An investment pays off, you get a raise, maybe even win the lottery.
886
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:52,700
Rather than hoarding your loot, however, you share some with others.
887
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:55,340
Or you give your wife 50 cents for gas.
888
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:56,340
Oh, God.
889
00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:58,500
You need to get promoted, though.
890
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:03,380
So I'm assuming that came with a raise.
891
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:09,460
If the reading is about your job, the nine of cops suggest a promotion or landing the
892
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:10,860
job of your dreams.
893
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:11,860
Okay.
894
00:57:11,860 --> 00:57:14,940
Well, I think we just found at least one tie-in.
895
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:16,620
Too bad it didn't last.
896
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:18,620
Yeah.
897
00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:25,220
You feel fulfilled, happy, and inspired in your work.
898
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:28,540
Whatever you undertake brings success.
899
00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:36,460
I can't say that I agree, but in a reading about love, you've learned to open your heart
900
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:40,060
and enjoy a richly rewarding love life.
901
00:57:40,060 --> 00:57:48,820
It feels super gross to say in hindsight knowing just how awful he was to his wife and to
902
00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:55,260
some of his female employees.
903
00:57:55,260 --> 00:57:57,260
I guess I'm trying to subordinate.
904
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:59,660
That's the word I'm looking for.
905
00:57:59,660 --> 00:58:08,060
You know, some of the things that God, the things that he said, "Roll gross."
906
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:09,460
Just roll, icky.
907
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:15,100
It gives me the ick.
908
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:23,340
This card may describe a joyful, emotionally fulfilling, committed relationship or an abundance
909
00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:27,460
of romantic partners.
910
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:28,940
Interesting.
911
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:32,740
Any actress?
912
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:33,740
There is one.
913
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:34,940
Yeah, somehow she knew.
914
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:44,380
She's which nature is held together by the energy of love.
915
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:49,180
Which is interesting because to me immediately I just become a total smart ass.
916
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:55,660
I go, "Well, what happened was very unnatural."
917
00:58:55,660 --> 00:59:01,460
Nature is held together by the energy of love and the opposite energy absolutely rips
918
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:07,220
apart everything that is good and natural for people in life.
919
00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:09,020
It does.
920
00:59:09,020 --> 00:59:17,260
You saw almost both in this too, like I said, the vibe of her parents.
921
00:59:17,260 --> 00:59:18,260
That's what I think this card is.
922
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:22,780
I don't think it's a reading about your love life or whatever.
923
00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:29,940
I think it's just the vibe of helping people when they need it if you can.
924
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:38,220
Her parents, I think I have a little bit more information about some of their efforts
925
00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:43,100
and some of the things that they've done to try to make the world a better place since
926
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:44,100
Crystal's past.
927
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:48,780
It sounded like they were advocates.
928
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:57,740
The thing is, is very easy for that to become your, that's a hot button thing.
929
00:59:57,740 --> 01:00:02,100
Maybe initially in the aftermath, you feel very passionately about that.
930
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:11,460
Because time goes on, you move on to other things or you go back to your normal life as it
931
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:12,460
were.
932
01:00:12,460 --> 01:00:16,740
But they have stuck with that.
933
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:20,820
It's been a very central focus for them.
934
01:00:20,820 --> 01:00:21,820
Wow.
935
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:23,980
I think that's really, yeah.
936
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:25,620
That's what this card was.
937
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:28,260
It wasn't any of the other stuff.
938
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:33,820
It was a very clear, what's it, a parallel?
939
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:34,820
Yeah.
940
01:00:34,820 --> 01:00:36,100
What it is for the opposite.
941
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:37,860
I don't know what I'm trying to say.
942
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:39,860
What am I measuring?
943
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:40,860
I don't know.
944
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:43,100
But yeah, I think you definitely should draw another card.
945
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:44,100
Okay.
946
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:45,100
Let me read this though.
947
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,100
It's really short.
948
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:48,100
Okay.
949
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,820
A little paragraphy.
950
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:53,940
It has all the same keywords.
951
01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:56,460
A small spec enters the shell.
952
01:00:56,460 --> 01:01:00,980
But oyster doesn't know what it is, but it reacts all the same.
953
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:05,820
Liquid jewel coats the spec, protecting the oyster's soft body.
954
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:15,260
Over and over a thousand times, the oyster patiently builds up layer upon layer of neck,
955
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:16,260
neck gray.
956
01:01:16,260 --> 01:01:17,260
It's NA C R E.
957
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:23,380
I'm assuming that's the whatever they're talking about, the liquid stuff.
958
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:25,860
Look up neck, neck gray real quick.
959
01:01:25,860 --> 01:01:26,860
Naker.
960
01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:27,860
Naker.
961
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:28,860
Interesting.
962
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:29,860
Okay.
963
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:40,980
So this says it's a composite material produced by some mullisks as an inner shell layer.
964
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:43,300
So literally part of the oyster.
965
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:44,300
Yeah.
966
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:45,300
Interesting.
967
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:46,300
Okay.
968
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:51,060
So it's building up layers of Naker.
969
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:57,380
The same material that coats the inside of the oyster shell forms a perfect gleaming sphere.
970
01:01:57,380 --> 01:02:03,300
It was that's so funny because the other part of it that I sort of left out of, you know,
971
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:09,100
the Wikipedia definition is it is also the material of which pearls are composed.
972
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,900
And it just like keeps, ooh, I have a thing, I have a thing in here.
973
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:13,900
Yeah.
974
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:14,900
Almost.
975
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:15,900
Two more sentences.
976
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:16,900
Okay.
977
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:23,540
So that's low growth pass so that someone might pop open the shell and feel ever so briefly
978
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:27,140
a fleeting moment of incredible good luck.
979
01:02:27,140 --> 01:02:28,140
Huh.
980
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:32,220
So it's like someone is finding the pearl in the oyster shell.
981
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:33,220
Yeah.
982
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:40,180
The thing I was kind of getting is like there's all of this crap layers upon layers of all
983
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:45,340
of this stuff that's like pressuring and building this thing.
984
01:02:45,340 --> 01:02:46,340
Yeah.
985
01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:48,340
And it's like a beautiful pearl in the end.
986
01:02:48,340 --> 01:02:49,340
Yeah.
987
01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:50,340
Kind of like, you know.
988
01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:51,340
Yeah.
989
01:02:51,340 --> 01:02:56,340
You're put through a lot of shit and you're still, you're a beautiful pearl crystal.
990
01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:57,340
That's all.
991
01:02:57,340 --> 01:02:59,340
It's so funny.
992
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:06,380
I literally was looking at the shell that you gave me and I was like, why do I feel like
993
01:03:06,380 --> 01:03:07,380
I don't know.
994
01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:08,380
It doesn't seem like it really.
995
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:09,380
Oh.
996
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:13,140
But it part of me was like, hmm, I don't know.
997
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:14,140
I don't know.
998
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:18,140
I feel like that's very sort of that like diamond in the rough kind of a, I don't know.
999
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:22,140
That's kind of what I was picking up as well.
1000
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:23,140
Right.
1001
01:03:23,140 --> 01:03:24,140
Okay.
1002
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:25,140
We're going to give this the old college try.
1003
01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:26,140
We'll give it a try.
1004
01:03:26,140 --> 01:03:27,140
We're going to give it a try.
1005
01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:28,140
Yeah.
1006
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:29,140
Yeah.
1007
01:03:29,140 --> 01:03:30,140
I don't know.
1008
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:35,980
I feel like that's very sort of that like diamond in the rough kind of a, I don't know.
1009
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:38,140
That's kind of what I was picking up as well.
1010
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:39,140
Huh.
1011
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:40,140
Right.
1012
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:41,140
Okay.
1013
01:03:41,140 --> 01:03:43,140
We're going to give this the old college try.
1014
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:44,140
We'll give it.
1015
01:03:44,140 --> 01:03:45,140
Okay.
1016
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:48,140
I think this one.
1017
01:03:48,140 --> 01:03:49,140
Oh.
1018
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:50,140
Interesting.
1019
01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:51,140
Okay.
1020
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:54,140
Um, this looks like two of swords.
1021
01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:55,140
Two of swords.
1022
01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:56,140
Oh, okay.
1023
01:03:56,140 --> 01:04:00,140
I know this card is like the, the blindfolded lady with the, yeah.
1024
01:04:00,140 --> 01:04:01,140
We're learning.
1025
01:04:01,140 --> 01:04:10,100
I know it is, I feel like doing a terror reading like every, sometimes multiple.
1026
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:11,100
Every week.
1027
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:12,100
It's like, okay, I'm sure.
1028
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:13,100
I'm going to learn.
1029
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,100
You do it.
1030
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:15,100
I don't know.
1031
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:16,100
Right.
1032
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:18,100
But I'm hard pressed to come up with a better way.
1033
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:19,100
Okay.
1034
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:29,580
So our keywords are combined resources, courage, faith, friendship, conflict and balance.
1035
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:31,100
This is two of swords.
1036
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:32,100
Yes.
1037
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:33,100
Oh.
1038
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:34,100
Interesting.
1039
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:38,100
I mean, I'm going to read my keywords real quick says, okay.
1040
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:45,100
In decision, difficult choices, confusion, stalemate, acting with incomplete information,
1041
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:46,100
blindness.
1042
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,100
Oh.
1043
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:51,100
So they're kind of, like you had some positive words in there.
1044
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:52,100
Well, I don't know.
1045
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:56,100
I mean, there are somewhat, okay, somewhat.
1046
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:58,100
You guys heard you wrong.
1047
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:05,100
No, I think, um, I think different books have a different way of kind of interpreting.
1048
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:06,100
I guess we'll see.
1049
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:12,100
But yeah, I think those feel very spot on for me.
1050
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:20,540
Um, in some tarot decks, this card depicts a blind-folded woman holding two swords crossed
1051
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:22,100
over her chest.
1052
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:29,100
Two's generally signify balance or conflict or a murder suicide.
1053
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:30,100
Yeah.
1054
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:37,940
And so, as well as pairing, I think of the two of swords as the blind faith card because
1055
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:42,980
it can represent courage and making decisions based on your own truth.
1056
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:46,100
And in some cases, spiritual guidance.
1057
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:50,100
She definitely had courage to make a decision to leave.
1058
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:51,100
Yeah.
1059
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:52,100
Yeah.
1060
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:53,100
Absolutely.
1061
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:55,100
She had to have that, like, the blind faith.
1062
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:57,100
She didn't know what was going to happen.
1063
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:58,100
I mean, no.
1064
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:03,180
And if anything, she had a pretty good idea that whatever was going to happen wasn't necessarily
1065
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:06,420
going to be super positive.
1066
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:12,820
The upright two can symbolize balancing the right and left hemispheres of your brain,
1067
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:16,620
combining intuition with intellect.
1068
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:22,180
Drawing this card may mean you must make a decision and need to call on both.
1069
01:06:22,180 --> 01:06:28,940
When you say she was using her intuition earlier when he was acting weird that day.
1070
01:06:28,940 --> 01:06:29,940
Yeah.
1071
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:31,100
Yeah.
1072
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:37,820
I would say actually that story, which I'm going to get to here when I read some excerpts
1073
01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:49,380
from the book, it calls on her to act on both her intellect and intuition, using both
1074
01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:51,740
kind of the head and the heart.
1075
01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:52,740
Wow.
1076
01:06:52,740 --> 01:07:00,020
Two can also advise you to take off your blindfold and look at a situation, honestly.
1077
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:03,540
All the people who are blindfolded at the police station.
1078
01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:04,540
Right.
1079
01:07:04,540 --> 01:07:09,460
Or to, you know, look at the situation.
1080
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:15,700
To me, the first thing that pops into my head is sort of like, it's not going to get
1081
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:16,700
me better.
1082
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:17,700
Right.
1083
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:21,700
That children with this person doesn't mean that you should stay.
1084
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:25,860
I feel like everyone in this situation had like blindfolds on like you said the parents
1085
01:07:25,860 --> 01:07:29,700
and, you know, realize until the end.
1086
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:30,700
Yeah.
1087
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:36,020
I mean, because people see what they want you to see in a lot of situations.
1088
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:41,880
In a reading about money, the upright two recommends trusting your own wisdom and inner
1089
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,300
guidance in a financial matter.
1090
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:50,420
Pay attention to your intuition as well as logic.
1091
01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:55,780
If the reading is about your job, you may be confused or conflicted about a work related
1092
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:58,300
issue.
1093
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,740
Have faith in your own judgment and ideas.
1094
01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:09,580
Sometimes, the upright two represents a job that requires both intellect and imagination.
1095
01:08:09,580 --> 01:08:14,180
In a reading about love, this card suggests listening to both your head and your heart.
1096
01:08:14,180 --> 01:08:17,140
Oh my God, it's like literally what I just said.
1097
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:22,860
It can mean you and your partner hold conflicting perspectives or that you're trying to resolve
1098
01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:25,500
differences and find harmony.
1099
01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:26,500
Interesting.
1100
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:29,740
I don't know if one of them was trying to resolve anything.
1101
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:33,620
Yeah, that feels like perhaps not.
1102
01:08:33,620 --> 01:08:38,620
And the way he did resolve his issues was not the way anyone should resolve any issues
1103
01:08:38,620 --> 01:08:39,620
ever.
1104
01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:44,900
Not the way that we want to see that wrap up.
1105
01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:45,900
That's for sure.
1106
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:46,900
Yeah.
1107
01:08:46,900 --> 01:08:48,540
Well, should I read this one?
1108
01:08:48,540 --> 01:08:50,340
It's pretty short too.
1109
01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:51,340
Yeah.
1110
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:52,340
Okay.
1111
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:54,700
Also for anyone who doesn't know, I don't know.
1112
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:59,820
We're using the little guidebook from the Pacific Northwest Tarot deck with these little
1113
01:08:59,820 --> 01:09:02,580
stories in here.
1114
01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:05,020
And that was a coast mole.
1115
01:09:05,020 --> 01:09:07,060
Oh, coast mole.
1116
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,060
Interesting.
1117
01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:09,060
All right.
1118
01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:12,540
We've got both kind of like sea shory things, you know?
1119
01:09:12,540 --> 01:09:13,540
Yeah.
1120
01:09:13,540 --> 01:09:14,540
Yeah.
1121
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:19,100
The mole stopped digging as she sensed a change in the soil ahead.
1122
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:23,300
To one side, the earth was drier and potentially more stable.
1123
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:29,260
To the other side, the dampness might mean a more abundant selection of worms and slugs.
1124
01:09:29,260 --> 01:09:30,260
Mmm.
1125
01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:31,260
Delicious.
1126
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:33,260
It tastes like chicken.
1127
01:09:33,260 --> 01:09:34,260
I love it.
1128
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:35,260
I love it.
1129
01:09:35,260 --> 01:09:38,260
I love it.
1130
01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:40,740
That sounds right.
1131
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:44,740
Or maybe she should go deeper where the soil was more densely packed.
1132
01:09:44,740 --> 01:09:49,900
She wrinkled her nose and rested, paralyzed with indecision.
1133
01:09:49,900 --> 01:09:56,420
Her mind sniffing down the infinite, branching paths that the future tunnel before her could
1134
01:09:56,420 --> 01:09:57,580
take.
1135
01:09:57,580 --> 01:09:59,700
But she couldn't deliberate forever.
1136
01:09:59,700 --> 01:10:04,700
The mole made a choice and resumed digging, taking the first blind stats in her journey
1137
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:05,700
onward.
1138
01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:06,700
Mmm.
1139
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:07,700
So more of that.
1140
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:08,700
Yeah.
1141
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:12,900
More totally tying in with what everything we talked about.
1142
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:13,900
I would say so.
1143
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:14,900
Yeah.
1144
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:16,300
The mole was interesting.
1145
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:17,300
I don't know.
1146
01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:20,300
He, I felt like he kept her like small and like hidden.
1147
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:21,300
Yes.
1148
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:23,300
Like people were abusive do that.
1149
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:24,300
Yeah.
1150
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:29,140
They keep you and your tunnels and you have to like dig your way out from underneath them.
1151
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:30,140
Yeah.
1152
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:37,140
Do you think that's really interesting kind of both of these acting in like acting as metaphors
1153
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:46,740
in maybe more than one way, but also another one you're like in the tunnels in the ground
1154
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:50,700
in the dark and then once you escape you're in the light, you're free.
1155
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:52,700
You're a pearl.
1156
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:53,700
Okay.
1157
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:54,700
I'm done.
1158
01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:55,700
You're a peach.
1159
01:10:55,700 --> 01:10:56,700
You're a peach.
1160
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:57,700
You're a pearl.
1161
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:58,700
Hey, listen.
1162
01:10:58,700 --> 01:10:59,700
You're a crystal.
1163
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:02,700
A juicious, ripe, this peach.
1164
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:06,300
There's still always going to be someone that doesn't like peaches.
1165
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:07,300
That's true.
1166
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:13,700
And is a total dick and will behave in a completely unacceptable and abusive manner.
1167
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:16,900
And then I'm sure that's how the quote ends.
1168
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:17,900
Yeah.
1169
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:19,900
I'm going to add on to it.
1170
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:20,900
Yeah.
1171
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:24,900
And then there's other people who will eat the shit out of that peach.
1172
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:25,900
Mm hmm.
1173
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:26,900
I love it.
1174
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:27,900
I don't know what kind of face.
1175
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:33,140
I don't know what kind of face I made if it was a trotious, talon, feel free to blur it
1176
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:34,140
out.
1177
01:11:34,140 --> 01:11:37,180
It's a little smiley face over it.
1178
01:11:37,180 --> 01:11:41,500
Oh, we definitely keep the sound effect because that was really good.
1179
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:42,500
Yeah.
1180
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:43,500
One more.
1181
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:44,500
One more.
1182
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:49,580
Well, we hope everyone is safe out there.
1183
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:55,300
And if you are experiencing any sort of domestic violence, we're going to link a website
1184
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:59,060
for you just to have the resource just in case.
1185
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:02,940
And we love you and we hope you're okay.
1186
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:06,740
And have a creepy ass day.
1187
01:12:06,740 --> 01:12:07,740
See you next Tuesday.
1188
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:08,740
See you next Tuesday.
1189
01:12:08,740 --> 01:12:09,740
We'll be here.
1190
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:10,740
Yeah.
1191
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:11,740
I mean, probably.
1192
01:12:11,740 --> 01:12:12,740
[laughs]
1193
01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:13,740
[music]
1194
01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:14,740
What if it's a Boober?
1195
01:12:14,740 --> 01:12:15,740
Yeah.
1196
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:16,740
Yeah.
1197
01:12:16,740 --> 01:12:17,740
I mean, probably.
1198
01:12:17,740 --> 01:12:18,740
[laughs]
1199
01:12:18,740 --> 01:12:19,740
[music]
1200
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:20,740
What if it's a boober?
1201
01:12:20,740 --> 01:12:27,740
A boober?
1202
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:30,540
Was that like a new hip uber or?
1203
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:35,860
It's like an uber but with boobies.
1204
01:12:35,860 --> 01:12:37,660
You are a 14 year old boy.
1205
01:12:37,660 --> 01:12:38,660
You know?
1206
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:39,660
My Blink 182 shirt.
1207
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:40,660
Yeah.
1208
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:41,660
Yeah.
1209
01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:44,460
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