Episode 181: Bucket of Chicks

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Adam Curry: Casting 2.0 for May
31 2024, episode 181 bucket of

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kicks. Hello, everybody. We are
back in this little once again

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time for the official board
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index dot social. We are the
only boardroom that plays music

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and pays the artists. That's
right. I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama. The man

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who you always want to join your
pool party say hello to my

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friend on the other end the One
NOLAN Ponce's Mr. Game Jones

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Dave Jones: have been found
guilty. Guilty,

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Adam Curry: guilty. guilty on
all counts. What did you do?

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What did you do?

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Dave Jones: guilty of being
awesome.

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Adam Curry: Yes, Dave Jones, you
are very guilty of being

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awesome, my friend. Awesome. And

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Dave Jones: I'm sitting I didn't
tell you before the show

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started. But I'm sitting next to
a bucket of chickens.

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Adam Curry: A bucket of
chickens. Chickens chickens,

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like fried chickens or with
chickens. Chickens.

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Dave Jones: This is pre pre
fraud. These are chicks. They

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hatch. Oh, we

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Adam Curry: are hatching chicks.
Oh, that's so cute. See a little

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hot heat lamp and everything.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, it's a little
like this little heat. What you

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call it? Sort of like a it's not
a lamp though. It's like a It's

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a heat. It's like a heat pad.
But it's elevated on these

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little legs that you screw up
and down to raise and lower the

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heat towards like, you know to
make that a little personal

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space for the chickens.

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Adam Curry: So not only are you
awesome, you're also a chick

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Magnus.

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Dave Jones: Yes, chick. Beside
me. I have 11 Chicks right

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beside me in

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Adam Curry: a bucket. Has your
dog discovered the chicks yet?

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That's always fun. We'll see

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Dave Jones: they're in the
they're in the podcast room

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because it's really the only
place in the house that we can

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kind of lock them up and they it
makes sense. So they're they're

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right beside you can't they're
not peeping real loud yet but

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they make them make it go in in
a minute. Okay, but there's

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there's literally 11 of them
down and that's

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Adam Curry: so cute. Um, do they
know their futures to have their

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their necks chopped by you?

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Dave Jones: These are, these are
egg.

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Adam Curry: choppers. Oh, okay.

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Dave Jones: We'll keep roosters
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Adam Curry: we'll keep these.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, hey, man. Oh,
cute. Oh, man.

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Adam Curry: So we didn't have a
board meeting last week. I was

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Jones in a little bit. Although
most of my Friday was comprised

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of travel to nashvegas

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Dave Jones: on Yeah, missed you,
sweetheart.

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Adam Curry: I missed you too.
Darling. What did you do on your

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day off? sheet rock Sridhar, I
got drunk drywall baby. I got my

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flatbed. Well, so we went to the
K love fan awards weekend. K

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Love is a Christian music's it's
a network really stations all

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across the country. And they do
they do this one weekend in

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Nashville at the was at the the
Opryland now the good Gaylord

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Hotel, which is right next to
the Grand Ole Opry and this

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which is basically a BioDome.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, it's, it's
huge so that that hotel is

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gigantic.

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Adam Curry: And but the thing
is, is like you never you feel

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like you leave your room and you
walk out and you and they've got

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palm trees and there's rivers
and waterfalls, but it's all

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inside a BioDome.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, it's like
Pauly Shore is in there

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somewhere these you gotta find

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Adam Curry: and Pauly Shore of
all the names. Probably

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Dave Jones: biodome when that is
movie but BioDome? I don't think

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I've seen it. That's where he
had a movie called Biona

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wouldn't surprise or something.

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Adam Curry: So there's 1000s of
people at this event. And it's

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all music. I mean, from Friday
night, they had a concert in the

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what is it the Delta ballroom
which I think holds two and a

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half 1000 People with and the
sound was amazing. I was very,

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very surprised by that. And then
you have the next day you had

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like songwriters, roundtable and
emerging artists. And then

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Sunday morning, elevation
worship played. And then Sunday

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night was the actual awards at
the Grand Ole Opry. And, man, I

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gotta tell you, so first of all,
you walk around Nashville, and

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everyone's a musician.
Everybody's gonna be I mean,

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literally, we were in a
restaurant. And I said, Look at

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this guy who's serving us. I'm
gonna say bass player, and I

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nailed it. Did you?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, this was I
forget who I forgot who it was.

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Some musician used to say I
think Maybe Randy Travis, or

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somebody said that like you're
the average janitor. Like don't

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get too much of a big hit
because the average janitor in

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Nashville is a better guitar
player than you are.

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Adam Curry: Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely. And all these guys,

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of course, you know, because you
really can't make much money

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with music anymore. Everyone has
to tour consistently, are

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constantly and if they don't
tour they're working for Dave

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Ramsey. I mean, it's like

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Dave Jones: Does he have a
stranglehold on Nashville for

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some reason

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Adam Curry: does I mean he has a
lot of people working for him.

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This operation is a huge
operation.

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Dave Jones: Does he live in
Nashville?

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Adam Curry: I think so. Yeah.
Thank you.

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Dave Jones: What's the place?
What's the big suburb outside of

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Nashville? All the rich people
lives at Brentwood. There's

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Adam Curry: Well, there's helped
me out boardroom there's as very

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face on the tip of my tongue.
Now Sir Patrick Koba lives

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there. A Frank Franklin Frank
okay. Yeah, that's Franklin. And

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there's another one
Murfreesboro, of course, is

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another one. But Franklin is, is
where a lot of where the where

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the, where the touring musicians
live, like the Mercy me guys.

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They all live in Franklin.
Anyway. And so what you notice

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when when they're all on stage
play, and there's there's some

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real superstar talent there from
the Christian music world. Which

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is not like hymns and gospel.
But it's been you got Crowder,

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Matthew West, I mean, these are
like rock and roll songs,

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Dave Jones: that I'll just in
general say that the quality of

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Christian music now is so much
better than it used to be, like

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20 years ago, and it's not even
it's not even in the same

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ballpark.

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Adam Curry: It's almost crossing
over with country. So yeah,

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totally. And but what you notice
pretty quick, as everybody is

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writing and playing together all
the songs like well, Ethan wrote

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that song and that's all I
played with him on this and say

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it's kind of a small group. And,
you know, that's because it's

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really it's also the natural
vibe is which I would say is the

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harder is kind of like LA was in
the in the 80s and 90s, where

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everyone's just there,
everyone's playing that

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everyone's writing together. So
it's an exciting environment and

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no one's making money on their
music. We know the problem yet,

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which and you know, is a lot of
grousing. These artists like you

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know, big tour, so they're
touring and that keeps

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everything alive for them. I say
this all in lead up. Because

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today on this very boardroom, we
will be offering the planetary

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world global premiere, a
breaking, breaking breaking of

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the new Ainsley Costello track,
which is a people pleaser. We'll

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be playing it later on the show.
And the reason why I'm setting

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this up this way is because she
has, I think three top Nashville

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Songwriters who collaborated on
this record with her and

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Abington and the Costello's put
a lot of time into convincing

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them that value for value is the
way so that you know, they got

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their wallets and everything all
set up. And so when we play the

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track, it would be great if
everybody could be using curio

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cast or fountain pod verse
podcast guru with the stuff that

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understands the live and lit,
streaming sites and boost

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doesn't matter how much you
boost, but let's just give them

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as many boosts as we can. I want
them to have a good experience

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if you know what I'm saying.
Where's the feed? Where's the

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Dave Jones: fee? Or it is I
found it index. Okay, people

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pleaser here it is. I was just
wanting to look at the feed and

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see who see who's in it for a
split. You know,

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Adam Curry: the splits may be on
the back end on wave Lake, I

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Dave Jones: think. Okay, yeah,
it's only going to wave like

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okay, but at least I hope so at

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Adam Curry: least I hope so.

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Dave Jones: There's one Okay, so
there's one, I'm just looking at

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the value tag. And here there's
one split. And it says in the

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name of the split value
recipient name people pleaser

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via wave lake. And then there's
an address because of that.

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Okay, so Well,

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Adam Curry: we are splitting it
out back there, I believe. I

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believe it's Christian harger
And Nathan, dos. Okay. Hey,

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Pfeiffer. Yeah. So five versus
wavelength. I'm out, bro. All

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right, man. If you want to help
the value for value, have that

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attitude. That's really good.
That's the right attitude.

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That's really helpful. That's
really, really helpful. That's

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really going to move the needle
for everybody.

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Dave Jones: So make artists want
to really jump in. They want to

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hop in

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Adam Curry: and then really get
on the D MU train. That's right.

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That's right, please. But it was
it was very exciting because

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there was a lot of people there
who were very interested in what

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we're doing. And

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Dave Jones: did they know about
it or do you have to evangelize?

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No,

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Adam Curry: I had to preach. I
had to evangelize Of course.

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Okay. Now, this kind of leads up
to another thing because I did

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have a nice conversation with
With, with Jim and Julie this

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week, and you know, they kind of
flew an upside down flag at me.

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Field to mind the pine tree
flag, they flew the US flag

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upside down. They weren't
distress, oh, flag binary flag.

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So we had a really great chat.
First of all there is, of

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course, they are angels,
parents, but they're, you know,

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they're still trying to figure
out navigating their way through

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this value verse and trying to
onboard people and start a

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business, which is what we
really need, you know, we have

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to create a form of an industry
here with the with value for

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value music. And of course, I'm
only coming from the kind of

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radio guy background where what
is important to me is that we

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can play songs and podcasts and
that we have the splits go

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through remote items, value,
time split, etc. And so they had

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a couple of things we need to
talk about briefly. Music

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license, actually, that's
getting pretty close. And I feel

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comfortable that we're coming up
with a remote item license that

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will work for music being played
in podcasts. That's already been

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implemented in in a in a form
with RSS, blue, I believe, and

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with true fans, and I think we
need to get that license, the

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actual license itself on to some
place that is where licenses

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belong. I'm not sure what

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Dave Jones: we have. The phase
seven is, is closing tomorrow.

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So that's good timing. I can do
that as soon as it's ready.

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Okay, good.

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Adam Curry: They're, obviously
they're in for the long haul.

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Because things don't you know,
just all of a sudden happen the

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minute we're all excited, and
we'll talk about that, because

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things have been happening that
are exciting, but takes years.

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But the main thing that they
were concerned about is wallets.

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And I think we need to discuss.
Yes, I agree. Yeah. Because it

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looks like get Alby is out of
the custodial wallet business.

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Dave Jones: Can you explain?
Please explain if what's going

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on with that, because I don't
understand. Okay, so I thought

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that there was a I thought they
were still an onboarding path

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through the 2.0 apps, and is
that now gone to that's going

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away?

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Adam Curry: That that is going
away, that's my understanding.

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And, but maybe even more
importantly, is there's also

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really no path for someone to
easily set up a wallet if you're

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a podcaster, or a musician. And
so, what the Costello said is

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like, but you know, we're only
really able to onboard people

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into fountain. And fountain,
although it's great, you know,

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to onboard your your feed,
regardless of what your

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enclosure is. That, you know,
it's it's not it's confusing.

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relatively easy. And so they've

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really been struggling on it.
Because of the the the boardroom

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was saying, if you can have, you
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getting out of the business.
That's my understanding they're

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getting out of the business. And
they will still work with your

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own node, if you want to can,
you know, use wass nostre wallet

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connected, but it's all stuff
that's way too complicated. For

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an onboarding. Now, there's,
there's two sides to this. So

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your app. And the the one that
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breeze SDK. And by the way, I
warned everybody this was going

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to happen, we all got really
complacent and like, Oh, I'll be

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working and then all sudden,
whether lb doesn't work, or it's

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just it's a centralized thing,
you know, it's like, and this is

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why lightning service providers
have come into existence, which

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is what breezes business model
has always been. I think voltage

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is also trying to set this up.
Because the whole point of a

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lightning service provider and
I've been reading through the

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breeze SDK docs, is you really
don't need to do much you know,

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you don't have to think about as
a as a developer you don't have

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to think about liquidity or
channels all that just kind of

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magically appears for a fee
obviously. But it really and I'm

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seeing testimonials of people
saying hey on boarded 100,000

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customers through this with just
a couple lines of code. So that

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sounds optimistic to me, but I
think we need to have our both

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our well definitely our apps
need to look at, at other

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onboarding opportunities.
Because I think it's, if it's

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not already shut down, it's
going to shut Alby is not going

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to be a solution for us. And so
I had some back back channel

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conversations, which I don't
like. But in this case, the

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thing was good, because, you
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whole, a whole back and forth
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Dave Jones: Sometimes that's
just faster, and it is,

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Adam Curry: it is faster in that
in that way. And it's, I think,

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you can't even get a new wallet
through pod bursts. You know, if

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you just if you just jump on,
just start using it. So if

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developers, the app developers
are interested in being

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continuing value for value, some
work will be required.

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Dave Jones: I mean, so what's
the I mean? I feel a need to

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help developers with this. Well,
me too, you know, I mean, but I

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don't, but I don't know what
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mean, that there's,

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Adam Curry: well, here's one
thing we can do. Regardless of

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how you set stuff up, it seems
like the one problem is always

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liquidity. So the index can help
with that, you know, if you need

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liquidity and whatever your
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Munis SDK is is a couple of them
now that they are the solution,

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because all you have to do is
just integrate the Yes, I mean,

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I'm, hello, this is me, Adam,
the developer, all you got to do

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is just put the SDK in there,
and it works. But I think that

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is truly the way forward. So you
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a developer. Now, on the other
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hosting side, there's other this
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I think the breeze SDK, I don't
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hosting company. I mean, it's
something you jam into your

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apps, right?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, so you're
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you need a you need a wallet on
both sides. You need a podcaster

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wallet. And you need a listener
wallet. Yep. That's that's the

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issue. Is that the listener
wallet? Is the going to be the

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the one that that gets the most
direct hit from this? Yes. Off

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the bat. Yes. Right. Because
they're just not going to be one

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available to pick up. Unless,
you know, because because the

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wallet needs to be on the
listener side. So it's on the on

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the podcaster. side, the wallet
is a much easier thing to to

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handle. Because all you just
need a wallet that can handle

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key send, and you're done. On
the podcaster side, excuse me on

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the listener side. It's harder
because the wallet needs to

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integrate with the podcast app.
Yeah. Because because the

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podcast app needs to be guide it
needs to be triggering events

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within the wallet. Yes. So that
is a difficult, that's a more

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difficult problem to solve. And
that's why Alby was was good,

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because there was a because I
had an API and all in all that.

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the ideal solution would be that

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there that there's an Alby
compatible API? Yes. Basically a

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clone of the out of the Alby
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Adam Curry: and this is exactly
why we had our own pay running.

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We had Elon pay ramius. And then
we shut it down. And then here

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we go. Well, well, no, I

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Dave Jones: mean, Tim, shut it
down. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: so okay. Yes, Tim,
shut it down. Correct.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. So the the, if
if there's an ABI API clone that

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somebody can layer in front of
Elon bits or something like

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Adam Curry: So this as I went
searching for solutions, and

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this may be where some
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that a key send implementation
for Alan bits, was actually

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created two years ago, now and
has been reviewed as recently as

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a couple of weeks ago. But it
needs I think, two official

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reviewers, I've actually put the
link into the shownotes. It

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needs to know I don't know how
GitHub works, but it needs some

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reviewers or maybe we need to
fork this because here's what

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I'm thinking Dave, I'm thinking
I'm fine setting up a node for

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this and providing these
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I don't care I just want it to
work. You know, and LM bits is

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actually a very, very beautiful
system. Because you get a lot of

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you know, it has a lot of just
as The wallet itself, there's a

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lot of things you can do. But it
will also pretty much work the

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same way that Alby will work.

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Dave Jones: This is a strange
situation. I mean, just just

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just kind of stepping back and
looking at this for a minute, is

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sort of an odd situation,
because you have, at the same

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time that you have lightning
being implemented on more and

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more platforms. I mean, Coinbase
is putting in lightning Pay Pal

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is putting in lightning stripe
is putting in the Bitcoin pet

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like, there's, you're getting,
there's been a lot of adoption

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that is happening very quickly,
in response to the increase in

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regulatory regulatory, clarity,
and ETF acceptance from the SEC

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and these kinds of things. So
payment platforms are becoming

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and exchange platforms are
becoming more comfortable with

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Bitcoin and lightning. And then
you have the players that

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provide lightning wallets are
just pulling back, like like

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Albie, who's the faint like
Phoenix wallet. They're just

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they're pulling back. And in
maybe it's because they don't

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feel like they have the chops to
comply with the new regulatory

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clarity? Well,

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Adam Curry: as I as I read the
legislation that passed the

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House, of course, the last to
pass the Senate and get the sign

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off from the President. It
really says like, oh, you can do

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all this, you know, if your pass
through, you know, custodial, if

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it's the, you know, obviously
noncustodial wallets, all of

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that is going to be okay. They
really want to stimulate the

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development of this in the
United States. It seems like

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it's all very good. But
remember, I'll be as German, the

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other the other guys are French.
And so I think that's where

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there's some, some fear, and I
understand that it's, and I'm

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not mad about it, I'm mad that
we have solutions. There's

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another thing that's in play
here is this noster mania.

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Everybody is doing in Austin,
Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin,

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Austin Nostra, and they're just
like, I don't care about Q send

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you

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Dave Jones: building a social,
you're wasting your time

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building a social network that
nobody wants. Nobody wants that.

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Just stop, stop, stop building.
The nostre social network is

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silly. Nobody wants it. It's
everybody has plenty of social

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network already in there live.
Everybody who's on nostres. Also

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on Twitter, what do you need two
things. It's just, nobody wants

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this crap. Just stop it. Because
it's eating up. Everybody's

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developer cycles. And they're
just spending all of this time

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on this complete waste. Like,
it's starting to get really

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irritating, because there's real
problems like this one that

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needs to be solved. Like,
there's real, like lightning

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implementation, dead ends, there
are dead ends all over

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lightning. And everybody is all
the all the developers, these

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developers that are that are
focused on noster. They're good

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developers, these are good
programmers, they can be solving

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real problems. Instead of
wasting their time with this

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junk, that it's just silliness.
It's complete silliness. And

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it's again, another example of
the the the Bitcoin ecosystem,

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tending to just like, they get
going super fast, and then they

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just drop off a cliff. But
they've completely miss all of

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the signs in it and just drive
completely off a cliff. Like, we

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know one of the reasons I was
saying that earlier about

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there's all these these
platforms are putting in support

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for Bitcoin and lightning. Is
that now is it is easier now to

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onboard people than it's ever
been? Yeah. If they had a

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wallet, yeah. That's and
lightning wallets are like,

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super simple. It is, should not
this should not be, if we had if

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there was enough people working
on this, gosh, this would be

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solved so fast.

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Adam Curry: So that's where I'm
thinking we might have to solve

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it. I mean, I mean, I know I'm
feeling that way too. I mean,

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let's just let's fork LM bits
and fix it and make it work.

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Dave Jones: Well see, you know,
here's, here's what I would

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love. And I'm just going to say,
and this is a little bit of

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dreaming, but I am but I want to
say it out loud too, though,

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because it may not be totally
out of the question. When, I

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mean, ideally to me, somebody,
there would be a bigger player

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that can handle this sort of
thing like strike. Forget it on

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the strike,

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Adam Curry: they are doing that.
Okay? I'm just gonna say strikes

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not going to do it. I'm gonna
tell you right now, how many

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we've pitched a lot of people in
the past three and a half, four

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years. Some work, some don't.
Jack Mahler's is not good. He

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has, he's now selling Bitcoin
and eath and Mineiro. And he's

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going to go public, he's going
to be the next coin base, he's,

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he's doing a reverse Coinbase
Coinbase is finally delivering

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with lightning, he's gone from
lightning is going to become a

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coin base. That's the it's so
obvious to me. And by the way,

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he comes from the Fiat world.
He's a nice guy, nice kid. But

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his parents are Fiat. They're
the Chicago commodities gang.

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It's all fine. But I'm not
putting any, any any trust in

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that. guy, he's not going to do

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Dave Jones: it makes you think
that the so I was having this

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thought this morning, actually,
as, as Bitcoin develops into,

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into just sort of a standard
piece of collateral, or a

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commodity, you know, standard
commodity standard assets and or

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collateral with it just it just
becomes a theme. And it's that's

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what's happening right now.
We've, it's sort of our Bitcoin

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has outgrown the sort of people
that shepherded it initially, it

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is, it has outgrown that, it
kind of no longer needs, the,

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what you might call the maxis,
or that that community, it's,

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it's now it's just a bigger,
it's just a bigger thing. And

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because of that, they those,
those people don't know what to

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do. I mean, they're there,
there's no real reason for them

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to be out there pumping Bitcoin
all the time. And they've,

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they've, they're doing silly
stuff on the side. And, you

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know, I think because, but at
this at that, at this point,

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though, that these, these things
like we, I feel like we could do

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something without having to
bother with a bunch of, you

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know, Ellen URL mafia throwing
shade and this kind of thing.

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Like, I feel like we could, I
felt like we could do a thing,

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because I feel like this is just
sort of this, this ecosystem has

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grown up now.

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Adam Curry: And it's a business
thing, Dave, I'm happy to do it,

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man. I mean, first of all, we've
got almost to Bitcoin on our own

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node. So we can provide
liquidity we have a lot of

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income, we get this as a mature
node, or node has grown up. It's

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a mature node, we can put
whatever we want. On top of it,

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we have great support from from
voltage. You know, there's,

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there's, there's many ways we
can tackle this. But there's,

435
00:28:18,869 --> 00:28:22,769
again, there's really two ways
to two things. And now, there's

436
00:28:22,769 --> 00:28:26,729
also a little bit of that, well,
you know, Fountain has VC money,

437
00:28:26,729 --> 00:28:32,609
it doesn't take VC money takes
elbow grease to do this. For the

438
00:28:32,609 --> 00:28:40,079
apps, there's some very clear,
very well tested solutions. And,

439
00:28:40,289 --> 00:28:48,029
and the green light slash breeze
SDK is an obvious solution. And

440
00:28:48,029 --> 00:28:51,539
you can implement it and and you
don't have to think about it

441
00:28:51,569 --> 00:28:56,159
wallets are spun up on the fly
when your customers need them. I

442
00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:00,899
mean, it will it comes down to,
are the apps interested in

443
00:29:00,899 --> 00:29:03,359
continuing with value for value?
Or do they just want to hand it

444
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:09,269
all over to one or two players?
That's what it comes down to. On

445
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:14,069
the on the podcaster side,
that's something I feel you and

446
00:29:14,069 --> 00:29:18,119
I probably should be doing.
Because it's it's, I mean, it's

447
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:19,379
just there. I mean, even

448
00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:22,110
Dave Jones: if wait on the
podcast or side or the listener

449
00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:25,740
side, podcaster side, because
the listener side is where the

450
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:26,550
real problem is.

451
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,790
Adam Curry: It's both sides. The
only onboarding path for

452
00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:31,230
podcasters is fountain

453
00:29:34,829 --> 00:29:39,179
Dave Jones: Yeah, but see, you
can have you could, like the,

454
00:29:39,809 --> 00:29:42,749
here's the disconnect the
podcaster side.

455
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:47,910
Adam Curry: This is exactly the
problem that the Costello's are

456
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:51,990
struggling with because because
they're trying to onboard

457
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:55,020
musicians, by the way the people
haven't figured out or the

458
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:58,740
horrible, horrible, horrible,
evil people that wave Lake, they

459
00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:02,700
figured it out. They're a host
In company with wallets, right,

460
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,080
that's what the hosting company
is. That's what I said to and

461
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
some of the back channels like,
Hey, if you have a problem

462
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,870
onboarding artists because you
have to send them to fountain to

463
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:16,410
get a wallet, and that's
complicated. It's your business.

464
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,480
You should be providing that.

465
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:26,850
Dave Jones: What the issue is,
like, okay, so you got fountain,

466
00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:30,870
and you've got wave Lake. You
got you got two places you can

467
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:32,010
onboard a podcaster.

468
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Adam Curry: Yes. Well, before
music for music.

469
00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:39,360
Dave Jones: Well, yeah, okay for
music. Well, no, I even those

470
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,130
wavelike also, does. They do
podcast hosting podcast hosting?

471
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:45,360
Yes. I

472
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,050
Adam Curry: didn't know that.

473
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:49,770
Dave Jones: I mean, but but even
in that you could go and but

474
00:30:49,770 --> 00:30:52,410
there's lots of things. I mean,
you could you could set up, you

475
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:55,320
can set up, you know, you set up
your own. Now I know it's not

476
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,480
easy. I know. It's not easy to
set up your own node or

477
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,790
whatever. But, like, the
podcaster side, it that's what

478
00:31:02,790 --> 00:31:06,420
that looks like. There are
solutions. They may suck, but

479
00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:09,930
they are there are solutions,
like setting up your own node.

480
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:15,180
The listener side with the with
the losing of Alby is just a

481
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:19,230
complete dead end. Yeah, that's,
that's what I'm saying is like,

482
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:25,860
is the listener side is where
the supply is, like the supply

483
00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:30,030
of funds. I'm with you. I'm with
you. And that is a that is a

484
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:35,160
complete wasteland at this
point. So if you like the, the

485
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,110
solution hat really has to start
with with listener wallets,

486
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:46,710
before podcast or wallets? I
mean, because you can have tons

487
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,490
of podcast or wallets. But if
nobody can pay you, then it was

488
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:53,880
what good is it? If there's no
if there's no listeners with

489
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,410
podcast? Well, here's what

490
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:59,280
Adam Curry: music Mama says in
the boardroom. I've spoken to lb

491
00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:02,220
it's a general fear of the
regulator's not worth the risk

492
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:04,980
long term for them, they will
stay in the game they are not

493
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:08,790
going away, they just will be
going to a node in the phone

494
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:13,710
approach that you must set up a
100,000 sat channel to start

495
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,890
them it's just not going to
happen. That's not going to

496
00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:19,770
happen that people won't do it
it's 50 bucks and people aren't

497
00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:22,920
going to say oh here's 50 bucks
I'm now a podcaster I'm now

498
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,840
musician right

499
00:32:25,980 --> 00:32:30,060
Dave Jones: and and I'll just be
honest with you, Adam I mean it

500
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:36,390
if you're talking about handling
you know funds and all this kind

501
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:39,810
of stuff to this degree then I
don't see where you're going to

502
00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:43,140
have to have intermediaries
right then I don't see what the

503
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:48,690
difference is why you even use
Bitcoin mining fee

504
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,220
Adam Curry: Good point. Good
point.

505
00:32:51,329 --> 00:32:52,949
Dave Jones: Because if we're
gonna have to set up something

506
00:32:52,949 --> 00:32:55,559
where there's wallets and we're
moving funds and all this kind

507
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:58,829
of stuff around I mean, what
what's the point I'm with you

508
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:04,739
just set up you know just you
know, do escrowed you know

509
00:33:04,739 --> 00:33:10,349
escrowed Fiat wallets and just
be a money mover and that's the

510
00:33:10,349 --> 00:33:13,649
problem with with the lightning
ecosystem right now is they

511
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:19,319
they're out there all they're
over there doing Tarot. And in

512
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:25,559
in the in noster. And in the the
promise, the original promise of

513
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:33,809
lightning is just dead is
totally dead. And it's like, I

514
00:33:33,809 --> 00:33:40,139
don't know what to do about it.
Well, I'm not trying to be

515
00:33:40,139 --> 00:33:40,799
Debbie Downer.

516
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,500
Adam Curry: I'm just no no, no,
I'm with you. And we that well.

517
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,600
The

518
00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:50,220
Dave Jones: like, well, let's

519
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:52,590
Adam Curry: let's separate out
the issues for a second. First

520
00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:56,070
of all, because music mom was
looking for music, mamas camp.

521
00:33:56,730 --> 00:34:05,700
So on the onboarding side for
podcasters slash music. That

522
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:11,700
type of solution needs to come
from the hosting companies. And

523
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,780
we can certainly help bootstrap
it by providing liquidity to

524
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:21,360
people because we have enough so
we can help bootstrap it but

525
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,640
ultimately, it's it's going to
be specific lightning service

526
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,250
providers that are going to have
to be in that game. For channel

527
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:34,380
opens and closes and all that
stuff.

528
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,620
Dave Jones: Like, okay, let's,
if you go back to the beginning,

529
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:45,720
and you look at why we did this
to begin with, it was for two

530
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:51,900
reasons. Because the progress
programmable money allows you to

531
00:34:51,900 --> 00:35:02,100
send people small, micro small
amounts of money A without the

532
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:06,240
exhort without the crazy fees.
So there was a it was a fee,

533
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:15,720
saying, but the bigger issue was
a deep platforming so that you

534
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:20,970
have a direct relationship from
the listener to the podcaster

535
00:35:20,970 --> 00:35:28,080
with zero intermediaries. Yeah.
And like, so if if I'm going to

536
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:36,960
if I if I'm hosting a show on if
I'm hosting a podcast, and all

537
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,340
my advertisers bail out on me,
because I took a position

538
00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:45,870
against a war or something that
was not that was not kosher,

539
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:53,340
then. And I lost all my money,
then I would still have this

540
00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:58,530
other income stream. There was
not sort of blockable Yeah,

541
00:35:58,530 --> 00:35:58,650
well,

542
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:02,070
Adam Curry: she got platform
from PayPal or from PayPal.

543
00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:02,370
Yeah.

544
00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:10,410
Dave Jones: So I mean, that was
that was the point. If we have

545
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:13,830
to start putting up
intermediaries all over the

546
00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:15,000
place, then.

547
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:18,090
Adam Curry: Right, but but a
lightning service provider is

548
00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:22,560
not really an intermediary,
because it's not a custodial

549
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:29,190
thing. It's it's that self
custody. It the lightning

550
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:33,450
service provider just provides
the piping. So it's no different

551
00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:36,900
than having a node voltage,
unless you want to call that an

552
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:37,740
intermediary.

553
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,830
Dave Jones: So, I mean, yeah,
see what you mean. That

554
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:45,600
Adam Curry: I mean, that's
exactly what Brees does. You

555
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,430
don't even have to open a
channel, you just need to get

556
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:50,910
your first payment. Then you get
your first payment, they open a

557
00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:54,900
channel plus 50,000 sets of
whatever that first payment was.

558
00:36:55,590 --> 00:37:00,300
And the channels grow and shrink
as necessary. But it does

559
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,180
require some some development
work.

560
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:08,880
Dave Jones: It does. No does.
It's gonna hit there too. Okay.

561
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,210
requires work. And the Yeah, I
mean, Rando 64 636. Is Brown of

562
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:17,760
London says overhype. seems
promising I mean, yeah, Brown of

563
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,580
London's building stuff. Yeah,
that may be waiting Europe.

564
00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:22,890
Yeah, he's building a
replacement to Alby?

565
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:26,100
Adam Curry: Is he doing a drop
in replacement with with the

566
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:27,630
API? I

567
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,090
Dave Jones: don't know how to
talk to him about it. I don't

568
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:33,240
think he is. But he may be able
to. Yeah,

569
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:36,390
Adam Curry: but we just I mean,
again, we just need more

570
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:43,020
solutions. We need more
solutions. Then, and this

571
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,750
nostril wallet Connect. I've
looked at it over and over and

572
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:49,140
over again. I can't see making
it work. And then there's people

573
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:52,290
saying, well, why don't we just
switch to ln URL? Well, we

574
00:37:52,290 --> 00:37:56,220
looked at that. We'd looked at
that early on. That's just not

575
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:57,000
going to fly?

576
00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:01,500
Dave Jones: Well, I don't see.
You know, the we've talked about

577
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:04,740
the problems with that in the
past with the slowness and the

578
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:09,210
difficulty on the edge node on
the edge application. But I

579
00:38:09,210 --> 00:38:12,030
mean, regardless of that, I
still don't see how that helps.

580
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:16,380
Because you're you're Elon URL.
I mean, you had the wallet on

581
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:17,160
both. Yeah.

582
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,500
Adam Curry: So the reason why
it's so called helps, because

583
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:23,160
that's what everybody's doing.
All the development is moving

584
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,060
towards ln URL and nostril
wallet connect, and everyone's

585
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:29,250
supporting it with you know,
they're supporting themselves

586
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:31,980
into a hole of doom. You

587
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:34,650
Dave Jones: know, there again, I
get that all that stuff works

588
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:38,970
fine for the podcaster wallet.
The listener wallet. Yeah, none

589
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:39,660
of that helps.

590
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,120
Adam Curry: Yeah, but there's a
solution. There's a solution

591
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,600
right there today it does keys
and then it can work you can

592
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,810
implement it. I don't believe
there's any costs except for

593
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,920
breeze takes, you know, a piece
for the setup.

594
00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:58,080
Dave Jones: Let's have a look at
it had to get back in there and

595
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,940
look and look at the you know,
it's it. It is a gut punch when

596
00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:04,950
you think some of these things
are solved problems, and then

597
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:08,460
they come back. And you're like,
Well, I guess it wasn't a solved

598
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:09,240
problem. Well, no,

599
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:12,420
Adam Curry: but I also think
it's, it's our people really in

600
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:17,130
it. You know, our, I mean, I use
podcast guru and I still have an

601
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:20,460
lb Wallet. So that works great.
Sometimes I switch the pod

602
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:25,500
verse, sometimes they use a
fountain. But if people aren't

603
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:28,950
in it, then they won't support
it. And then you know, then it's

604
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:33,600
all gonna go to a couple of
players. Right, which is fine. I

605
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:40,200
know what I'll be promoting.
Because I believe in it. I

606
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,310
believe in it, Dave.

607
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:45,840
Dave Jones: I believe on

608
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,250
Adam Curry: that. On that note.
On an up note, the band's in

609
00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:57,510
Bitcoin 24 Nashville is it will
be held around the same time as

610
00:39:57,510 --> 00:40:07,890
the Bitcoin Conference. It'll be
Let me see. Oh, it'd be at the

611
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:12,990
they have a Embassy Suites who
have generously donated space

612
00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:17,220
and service staff to phantom
power media. And they're going

613
00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:22,470
to be hosting just a ton of
bands. And they're going to set

614
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:28,890
all of the all of the bands up
with with wallet somehow. They

615
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:31,440
may be fountain wallets, but the
most of them up with something

616
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,010
somehow. And it's going to,
they're going to do just these

617
00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:40,500
live shows. And I'm pretty sure
they're set to go with a live

618
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:47,280
stream, which will switch the
value blocks as they go. What I

619
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,520
would like to appeal to Eric P
P. I don't know if he can do it.

620
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,270
But I'd like to appeal to Eric
peopIe. If there could be a heli

621
00:40:57,270 --> 00:41:02,670
pad version. This is what I'd be
looking at how LeapPad version

622
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:08,220
that can display everything that
it does now because I love how

623
00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:13,470
love how it looks, how it you
know, how it comes through. With

624
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,920
a live stream, so just a page
you can send people to and there

625
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,560
it is, you know, so there'll be
a split to this one node. And

626
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,160
this one page just displays all
the booster grams that come in

627
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:27,870
with the live because there'll
be video, live audio and or

628
00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:33,420
video, so that people can be
sent to a page to be a part of

629
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:40,170
the bans and Bitcoin by remote,
so obviously, in all the apps

630
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:44,190
for sure, because it'll be a
feed so it's in all the apps.

631
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,000
But then there's one page, you
know, like the guys are always

632
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,170
doing like these crazy pages
that the blueberry did for 12

633
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:55,530
rods, you know, a page we can
see stuff happening, I don't

634
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:59,640
care if it's who does it, but
someone needs to do that. Yeah,

635
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:04,260
and then that'll be the same
page they'll display in the

636
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:08,610
venue on screens. So people can
get a real experience of the

637
00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:13,590
round robin of it'll say use
these apps to participate to

638
00:42:13,590 --> 00:42:16,830
boost etc that needs to be
created.

639
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,530
Dave Jones: Can I add that I
would like to add something to

640
00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:27,510
this for and this is this is the
Costello's they're putting this

641
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:36,690
on okay let me add something to
that part. Part of the part of

642
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:44,310
this event needs to be a
explanation of the problem that

643
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:48,540
we just talked about are sort of
an appeal an appeal I'm sorry an

644
00:42:48,540 --> 00:43:02,130
appeal to Bitcoin developers who
see the vision for for music and

645
00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:07,260
by virtue of that podcast as
well. So an appeal and appeal

646
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:12,720
through this event that this is
only things like that event are

647
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:18,330
only possible and only work and
are only successful when there

648
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,970
are listener side wallet
solutions. Yes. And because of

649
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:31,230
that we there needs to be more
people jumping in that game. I

650
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:35,370
mean, that's because I feel like
because what will happen the

651
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:40,110
reason is good to have an appeal
at a place in an event like that

652
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:44,790
is because if there are no
listener side wallets, there's

653
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:48,870
no there's no event right
there's no event is won't

654
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:51,840
doesn't work. There's just
simply no event right? Because

655
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:58,470
there's nobody to pay you so
like that's here's here's what

656
00:43:58,470 --> 00:44:03,030
I'm leaning on though like where
my mind is keeps shifting is

657
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:11,880
that there has to be we have to
get some success Let me see how

658
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,560
I want to explain this. Um, I'm
perfectly happy to build

659
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,890
something but we can't build
everything.

660
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:21,810
Adam Curry: Yes we can. DAVE

661
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:27,810
Dave Jones: Yes, we can. But we
can't you know, we can't build

662
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:37,470
everything. And the the ideal
thing that would happen here is

663
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:44,400
that Bitcoin some bitcoin.
Competent developers get peeled

664
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:52,170
away from noster the naast the
master senselessness, yes, and

665
00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:57,300
begin to provide to build an
actual solution that people

666
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,680
really care about. That can
actually solve a problem. Right?

667
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:09,930
So I mean, like this is this is
probably the fountain fountain

668
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:15,570
also benefits from there being
an an ecosystem of lightning,

669
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,980
infrastructure podcasting
infrastructure outside of it. Of

670
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:24,960
course, if if fountain becomes
the only place this stuff is

671
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,250
happening, fountain will be less
successful. That's not going to

672
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:34,770
help them either. So everybody
fountain wave like everybody

673
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:40,950
did, like the and I use them as
examples of, of sort of, not

674
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:45,360
silos. That's not what I mean,
but like sort of islands that

675
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,690
are that have built something
that can be self contained, if

676
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:55,320
necessary. That does, while that
does work. It's not beneficial.

677
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:59,370
It doesn't it is not a healthy
ecosystem for them to exist that

678
00:45:59,370 --> 00:46:04,500
way. They also benefit when
there's a healthy ecosystem of

679
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,050
lightning payments going back
and forth through the podcasting

680
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:13,410
through open podcasting. And so
this is a this is a thing that

681
00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:15,780
we all need to happen.

682
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:21,690
Adam Curry: And I would I would
point to on one hand, for

683
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:24,750
podcasters, I would point to
wave lake as a successful

684
00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:30,060
formula. They take 10%. Yeah, no
one seems to be complaining.

685
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:35,310
Now, it's simple. I got it, I
got my hosting, we got

686
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:36,480
everything all in one go.

687
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:41,580
Dave Jones: Because as we said
before, your alternative is

688
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:45,570
Spotify, where you get 0%.
Right? So if you're a pod, if

689
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:49,500
you're a musician, and you get
90%, that's 90% More than you

690
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,100
had before.

691
00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:54,240
Adam Curry: Exactly. And you bet
you're right. Everybody, we need

692
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:58,800
much more, much more going on.
And it has it just has to be

693
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,210
simple. It has to be simple to
onboard people. Because we're a

694
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,330
long way away from people
setting up nodes and liquidity.

695
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:08,190
There's just no way. There's no
way.

696
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,990
Dave Jones: If you're an if
you're a podcaster. And you see

697
00:47:12,990 --> 00:47:18,000
that you are a music or a
musician. And you see that, that

698
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,960
you can have some success within
within this within that the

699
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,380
podcasting world as let's say,
as a musician, like Ainslie,

700
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:29,820
it's not too big of a lift to
set up, you know, to set up a

701
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:33,090
node. It's not the end of the
world. Yes, it's a little

702
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:36,930
difficult, but it's not the end
of the world. But if you're a

703
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:39,690
bit if you're a listener in the
app,

704
00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:44,160
Adam Curry: it's world ending.
Yes, that's obviously yes.

705
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:47,580
You're just even even going
somewhere else to get a wallet

706
00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:53,400
and connect. It is a big lift.
Yes, like, what am I doing now?

707
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:56,550
Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly.
Because you're having to, like,

708
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,390
on the podcaster side, you just
set up a node, open a channel,

709
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:04,440
you're good to go. On the on the
listener side? What do you you

710
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,830
got to KYC? yourself, you got to
do all this stuff. I mean, it is

711
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:11,310
it's just, I'm not going to keep
beating this horse. But the

712
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:17,940
listener side is where all the
problems are. And, and I will,

713
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:21,870
I'm glad we discussed this, I
will start looking in in

714
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:26,490
brainstorming this for a
potential solution. We'll we'll

715
00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:31,740
talk about it. And but you know,
I do want, I don't think we can,

716
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,370
I don't think it's realistic for
us to have to build for us to be

717
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:43,320
able to build and maintain
everything we do. Other because

718
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,260
the other problem here, here's
the other issue. When we build

719
00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:49,410
it, it tends to dissuade other
people from from building

720
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:54,540
things. Good point. You know, I
mean, like, it's almost

721
00:48:54,540 --> 00:49:01,350
detrimental to the ecosystem
when we build it. So yeah, I

722
00:49:01,350 --> 00:49:02,520
don't want that to happen,
either.

723
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:04,710
Adam Curry: No, no, I'm with
you. I'm with you on that. Well,

724
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:08,130
I, again, I'm just I've looked
at the docs over and over again,

725
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,120
of the breeze SDK, it seems like
a very elegant solution. But

726
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,080
it's not a drop in replacement.
I don't think it's it's a huge

727
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:23,370
lift. But there's work is
required. But you know, it's

728
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:31,380
something that is self self
custody of your of your user.

729
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:36,270
You know, they they own it, you
don't have any responsibility

730
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:42,270
over it. And you don't have to
worry much about it not working.

731
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,040
I mean, they've been in business
for a long time. Yeah. And

732
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,490
there's others who are either
doing this or we'll be doing

733
00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:54,030
this because it's the business
model for lightning is the

734
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:58,290
lightning service provider. It
just is the business model.

735
00:50:00,329 --> 00:50:05,159
Dave Jones: I mean, it is, well,
Nathan asked is the breeze SDK?

736
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:06,299
Is that mobile? Only?

737
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,910
Adam Curry: I believe so. I
believe so. I think it is, is

738
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:17,760
it? I think so. But block block
has a has their own version.

739
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:22,290
There's lots of versions out
there, of this idea of the

740
00:50:22,290 --> 00:50:28,860
lightning service provider idea.
And it has been my understanding

741
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:32,010
that that's what voltage was
going to be doing as well, I

742
00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:34,140
don't think there's far along
and they were going to be doing

743
00:50:34,140 --> 00:50:38,340
it more for, you know, with air
flow product or whatever. So you

744
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:42,900
can just get get inbound
liquidity on demand. But you

745
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:48,300
know, but what is, and again,
that's not, that's probably not

746
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:51,420
going to work for the for the
listener side, but I'm with you

747
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:54,090
on that there's a huge
opportunity for the listener

748
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:58,470
side, make it easy for apps to
integrate, or at least, you

749
00:50:58,470 --> 00:51:02,550
know, make something available.
And the apps will put it in if

750
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:04,770
if they're interested in being
part of the ecosystem.

751
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:08,130
Dave Jones: The other problem
with us doing it is I don't, I

752
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,200
don't like I don't like the way
it looks.

753
00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:13,770
Adam Curry: I mean, I'm with
you, because it

754
00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:16,440
Dave Jones: makes it look like
it's like all of this is just

755
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:21,630
us. And I don't know, I just
liked the separation of, of

756
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:24,870
seeing that other people are
doing stuff and making making

757
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:28,950
money off these things. And it's
not. Yeah, it's not us, you

758
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:33,210
know? Yeah. Well, but again, I
don't want to make money off of

759
00:51:33,210 --> 00:51:37,110
this, because it's not. I mean,
if we have to, if we have to, we

760
00:51:37,110 --> 00:51:40,560
have to, but I don't, I don't
want to do it. The way that

761
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,310
makes me think

762
00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:44,010
Adam Curry: you're so right,
because the whole reason we kept

763
00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:49,080
LM pay going because the index
paid for it was Yeah, to make

764
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,110
sure that, that we bootstrapped
it and then everyone just went

765
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,570
Oh, great. And then no one built
anything.

766
00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:58,350
Dave Jones: Yes. As the summer
says, it's it's it's way he says

767
00:51:58,350 --> 00:52:01,980
his wave Leakey for Pei Pei to
offer wallets and the index and

768
00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:02,700
namespace Yeah, I

769
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,700
Adam Curry: agree. I agree. I
agree. I agree. I agree.

770
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,780
Dave Jones: But, but we could we
could build something as a

771
00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:13,470
reference, I guess, and then
say, okay, we're not somebody

772
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,160
here. Somebody else, please run
this, I guess. And I don't know.

773
00:52:19,110 --> 00:52:20,970
Adam Curry: How to think about
it. Yeah. All right. Well, thank

774
00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:23,790
you. Should we play a song now
just to get our heads clear,

775
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:27,750
Dave Jones: though? Yes. Is the
world premiere this is it's not

776
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:29,520
Adam Curry: just world premiere.
It's planetary premiere, my

777
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,330
friend, galactic galactic
galactic premiere, but I really

778
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:36,720
want everyone to get ready. I
really would appreciate it. If

779
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:41,670
you boosted this song. No matter
what the amount is, we just want

780
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:43,890
as many boosts as possible I'm
actually going to close the

781
00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:49,290
channel so doesn't interrupt the
track. So we can show these

782
00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:53,640
musicians who are making nothing
on Spotify. That value for value

783
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,320
has a place in their life

784
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:59,190
Dave Jones: that I set that up
right. Oh, you nailed it. Okay.

785
00:52:59,730 --> 00:52:59,910
So

786
00:52:59,910 --> 00:53:02,190
Adam Curry: here it is a people
pleaser Ainsley Costello, this

787
00:53:02,190 --> 00:53:04,320
is the planetary premiere
everybody

788
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:11,160
Unknown: was watching.

789
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,570
Adam Curry: You can break
through it no more mistakes

790
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:18,900
Unknown: going down.

791
00:54:58,140 --> 00:55:00,450
Back Relax

792
00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:27,780
Adam Curry: yo, nice that's what
we call an ending All right,

793
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:29,430
thank you all very very much.

794
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,010
Dave Jones: I guess people were
pleased and yeah, it was done.

795
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,050
Yes. People were pleased.

796
00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:36,240
Adam Curry: And everybody
boosted. I even boosted.

797
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Everybody boosted. Everybody
boosted. Good job, everybody.

798
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,960
Thank you. Thank you. That's
Ainslie with the Nashville

799
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,080
collaborators. Let's make them
happy. If you're listening to

800
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,720
this as the podcast, you can
always stop, go back and boost

801
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,830
again. It all works. It's magic
that way. It's magic.

802
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:55,590
Dave Jones: The track I like it.
No, I

803
00:55:55,590 --> 00:55:58,920
Adam Curry: was great track. I'd
it's it's Poppy, man.

804
00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:01,350
Dave Jones: It's good to hear a
new Ainsley track.

805
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,300
Adam Curry: Yes, it is indeed.
Been well. My left ear kind of

806
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:06,930
blew out on

807
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:12,690
Dave Jones: Oh, crap. Yeah. It
blew Well, is it smoking? No.

808
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:17,220
Adam Curry: So like, it happens
to you when you get to my age.

809
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:18,840
Dave, you'll know what I'm
talking about.

810
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:20,850
Dave Jones: You get the high
pitch squeal.

811
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,180
Adam Curry: Thank God no, no,
thank God. Although at night

812
00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:31,980
when I'm in bed, I do hear just
like General was that from? No,

813
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:33,240
it's age.

814
00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:35,670
Dave Jones: Old man old dude.
Yeah, just

815
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:38,250
Adam Curry: an old by the way,
the bands and Bitcoin. They also

816
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:40,440
have I put it in the show notes.
They have a geyser fund

817
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:46,140
fundraiser. I also boosted that
before because they obviously it

818
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:49,410
cost money. So they're looking
for help on setting up that

819
00:56:49,410 --> 00:56:51,810
event. So that's all in the
band.

820
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,760
Dave Jones: Lighting. Yeah,
yeah,

821
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:55,830
Adam Curry: I did it. I actually
use breeze. It worked

822
00:56:55,830 --> 00:57:00,360
beautifully. So we had a big win
today or this week with the

823
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,470
Pocket Casts.

824
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:05,340
Dave Jones: Yeah, so that said
they're gonna support transcript

825
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:06,000
and pod roll.

826
00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:08,190
Adam Curry: Well, as I was
listening to the pod news,

827
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:12,030
weekly review, I actually heard
the young woman what's her name?

828
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:15,360
Because we pitched this to them
two years ago. We pitched the

829
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,360
match two years ago. And she
referred to that as Oh, we knew

830
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,250
about this two years ago,
because I remember you and I did

831
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:23,580
a zoom with Matt. And then we
met Matt from automatic. They

832
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:27,900
own their own pocket cast. And
we pitched it. And I think I

833
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:31,500
followed up with Matt. And then
we got another talk to the

834
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:34,470
project leads. And they've
started to implement their small

835
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:36,450
team, but they started to
implement but as I heard her

836
00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:40,980
speaking, I heard her slip in V
for V. Oh, well, she said V for

837
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:43,230
v. So they didn't hear

838
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:44,250
Dave Jones: that I missed

839
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:48,480
Adam Curry: the Hey, I heard it.
I heard it. But this is this is

840
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,720
uh, this is great. This is a
great game changer for

841
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,340
podcasting to have a an app of
that size to validate that it's

842
00:57:56,340 --> 00:58:00,840
a real thing. It lives in all
boats. Very, very happy. Very

843
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:01,770
happy with that.

844
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,500
Dave Jones: agreed and like they
they are ones that could you

845
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:12,930
know, the thing I want most from
Pocket Casts specifically, is

846
00:58:12,930 --> 00:58:17,340
cross app comments over activity
pub. Yes. I think they are

847
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:21,900
positioned better than anybody
else to make that happen. Yes.

848
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:24,540
Because Because automatic

849
00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:28,500
Adam Curry: bots. Yeah, they're
all in on activity pub, right

850
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:30,240
Dave Jones: activity pub. Yeah,
they bought that WordPress

851
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,780
activity pub plugins, and they
can integrate it directly. So I

852
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:38,310
mean, they I think they have
definitely the resources to go

853
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:43,800
in and put activity pub into
into a yes app like Pocket

854
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,250
Casts.

855
00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:49,020
Adam Curry: And on that note,
true fan Sam and, and Benjamin

856
00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:53,820
caster, PA, they're working on
integrating their activity

857
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:58,680
streams through activity pub,
which is great.

858
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:03,570
Dave Jones: You know, a clip. So
a clever podcast app,

859
00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:05,610
Adam Curry: only the clever ones
now.

860
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:15,540
Dave Jones: Could could simply
follow podcasts on the bridge.

861
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:24,480
And inhale and just always be up
to date. That's right. You also

862
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,760
like you could have a podcast
app that that built activity pub

863
00:59:30,540 --> 00:59:35,640
into its core. And then they
follow it when you follow

864
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,920
podcasts. It's using the the
index to do search. And then

865
00:59:42,030 --> 00:59:51,660
instead of instead of using the
API to pull more data, it could

866
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,310
subscribe to the podcast feed
obviously like normal, but then

867
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:59,970
look for updates through
activity pub, wait for the push

868
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,030
is basically that you would have
want you would have a simple

869
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:08,850
back end a little $5 a month
back end. That just does nothing

870
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,830
at all it was you just have no
no it's not even sniffing they

871
01:00:13,830 --> 01:00:18,810
know they there's not even any
sniffing it. It just open it

872
01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:23,220
opens up a shared inbox. It has
a shared inbox URL through

873
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:27,690
activity pub. And then it
follows into treats each each of

874
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:32,670
its users as an actor. Do you
hear that chicken? Yeah,

875
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:33,570
actually,

876
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,700
Adam Curry: I just did my
headphone offices and on my end

877
01:00:35,730 --> 01:00:38,910
what I have no fear your checks
baby's Dave's chicks.

878
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:41,400
Dave Jones: These chickens are
going nuts. I sent you a picture

879
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:47,550
of them in the bucket. The so
you would have you would have

880
01:00:47,550 --> 01:00:53,400
each each listener would be an
actor. On your activity pub back

881
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,260
end, in as when somebody follows
a podcast it follows the bridge

882
01:00:58,290 --> 01:01:02,670
for that podcast. And then it
just waits to be notified when

883
01:01:02,670 --> 01:01:05,280
there's a new episode. By the
way, just push it all the way

884
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:05,610
through.

885
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,530
Adam Curry: Your chicks are
cute. What's the bowl with the

886
01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:12,330
Roxanne? What's that all about?

887
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,540
Dave Jones: Well, since they're
there, they're so tiny that if

888
01:01:15,690 --> 01:01:19,110
they drown they've they'll drown
in the bowl. Yeah. Rocks. And so

889
01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:20,010
they came to the bottom.

890
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,720
Adam Curry: Have you already
found one dead?

891
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:25,230
Dave Jones: No, no. No dead
ones. Yeah.

892
01:01:25,230 --> 01:01:27,510
Adam Curry: What's What's the
vacuum hose there? What's the?

893
01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:32,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's one of
the legs that the heaters like

894
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:37,860
threaded rods with the low heat
past. Oh, cool. Yeah. cubes.

895
01:01:38,310 --> 01:01:40,560
They're all up under that heat
thing right now. I can't see any

896
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,090
of them. They're just Yeah. Do

897
01:01:42,090 --> 01:01:44,220
Adam Curry: you mind? post this
in the in the board meeting in

898
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:46,410
the boardroom? Oh, no, go ahead.
Yeah, that's cool. I want people

899
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:47,280
to be able to see this.

900
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:51,570
Dave Jones: But you could you
could do that you could build

901
01:01:51,570 --> 01:01:57,570
your app with with an activity
pub core. And then not have to

902
01:01:57,570 --> 01:02:04,350
really do any feed polling at
all. Period. None. And then

903
01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:08,370
you're already set up with for
cross out comments.

904
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,000
Adam Curry: I love it. By love
it only clever, clever, clever.

905
01:02:12,450 --> 01:02:16,110
Clever. Has. I have a have a
namespace question that makes

906
01:02:16,110 --> 01:02:18,810
sure because if it doesn't do
it, we need to figure out how to

907
01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:23,970
do it. And so I've been working
on this on this product on this

908
01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:32,640
project to return local radio to
Well, so what radio? This all

909
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:38,160
kind of comes from a couple of
things. One is the the cumulus

910
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:45,540
media 2024 audio scope. Data
that pod News reported on

911
01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:48,960
Dave Jones: miss that I didn't
see. Well,

912
01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:53,490
Adam Curry: it basically says
radios dead. It's not exactly

913
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:58,470
what it says. But it does say
podcast audiences have scale

914
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:02,940
among 25 to 50 fours, which is
very important because the

915
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:06,930
concept that only young people
listen to podcast is clearly not

916
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:13,950
true. So up to 54 is not in the
young person range. As old

917
01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:16,560
dudes, if you listen to
podcasts, they are your number

918
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:22,380
one audio platform, you know so.
So podcast, people who listen to

919
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:25,080
podcasts and that number is
increased increasing listen to

920
01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:29,520
32% of their listening time this
podcast 22% Is is am or FM

921
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:35,370
radio. The median age of podcast
audience is about 34, which is

922
01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:38,760
actually quite good. Now here's
the one that that kind of the

923
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,120
think is interesting because
it's happening to all

924
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:46,620
traditional media distribution
platforms. The podcast audience

925
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:49,680
is 13 years younger than median
age of am FM radio listeners and

926
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,560
22 years younger than linear
television where audiences have

927
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:57,720
a median age of 56. TV is what's
playing in God's waiting room.

928
01:03:59,730 --> 01:04:00,210
Wow.

929
01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:06,990
Dave Jones: Did you see the
average Did you see that? I

930
01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:09,270
don't know if this is same
report. I don't think it is that

931
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:13,290
that listed the average Oh, oh
yeah, that's yours. Yeah, MTV

932
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:15,390
that everyday just. Yeah,

933
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,510
Adam Curry: I know. It's not
immediate. It's median age. Not

934
01:04:18,510 --> 01:04:20,040
average median age, but

935
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,240
Dave Jones: average. The median
age of an MSNBC viewer was like

936
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:24,870
70 to

937
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:29,190
Adam Curry: 70 Yeah, no, no. So
it comes on so I believe that

938
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,770
you can't save radio with
towers. But what we lost with

939
01:04:34,770 --> 01:04:40,590
radio is local programming. Now
why did local program so you

940
01:04:40,590 --> 01:04:44,160
know, a even New York I mean,
I've I was in New York for many

941
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,290
years. And the whether it's
Elvis Duran on Z 100 Or if it's

942
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:57,810
the Charlemagne to God, and he's
on Z on camera what he's on. But

943
01:04:57,810 --> 01:05:00,690
you know, they're not New York
local shows. anymore. They're

944
01:05:00,690 --> 01:05:04,770
syndicated nationally. Yeah,
sure. In between songs. Yeah.

945
01:05:04,770 --> 01:05:08,700
It's Elvis Duran, z 100. New
York. Okay, sure. But they're no

946
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:13,200
longer talking just about it's
all national issues. And we

947
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:18,300
still have some like Cody, who
works in Kerrville, which is,

948
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:22,230
you know, old school rock
station, the rock of Texas, no,

949
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,460
small signal. We have Hill
Country FM out here, but they're

950
01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:29,460
dying. And why are they dying
because all the local

951
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:33,030
advertising has been slurped up
by Facebook. And it's

952
01:05:33,030 --> 01:05:37,230
successful. Now, if if you want
to sell something locally, it's

953
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:42,360
going to be you know, it's going
to be done on on Facebook and

954
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,860
stuff like that. But we still
need local programming. In fact,

955
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:50,910
we need it now more than ever.
So my kind of this thing I'm

956
01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:56,190
working on with some people is
to recreate that, too, bring

957
01:05:56,190 --> 01:06:01,290
back local programming. And this
is where that playlist thing

958
01:06:01,290 --> 01:06:06,060
that I was talking about two or
three weeks ago comes into play.

959
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:08,760
And I just want to make sure I
understand how the playlists

960
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,060
work, because I think I think
I'm incorrect, or I was my

961
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:16,860
assumptions were wrong. Okay,
but what I'd like to see, if I

962
01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:21,150
have a playlist, and I put in
that playlist, can I put in that

963
01:06:21,150 --> 01:06:24,480
playlist shows? Or do can I only
put episodes in that playlist?

964
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:27,030
Dave Jones: Episodes? Ah,

965
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:32,160
Adam Curry: what I think I'm
looking for, is what an OPML

966
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:39,840
subscription list used to do.
Okay, so if I wait,

967
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,230
Dave Jones: let me let me let me
get back Hang on, say, the

968
01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:47,820
remote, the remote item, doesn't
it? The remote item allows

969
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:50,010
either a feed or an episode to
be

970
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,010
Adam Curry: it does allow a
feed. Right? Okay. So it does

971
01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:54,210
allow a feed but but

972
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,980
Dave Jones: that's it's the
context that matters that

973
01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:02,910
dictates what those things are.
A play list is expecting items.

974
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:03,390
Okay?

975
01:07:03,690 --> 01:07:06,450
Adam Curry: Let me explain what
I want. Okay, then we'll figure

976
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:10,470
out how we make it happen.
Because it's important to me. So

977
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:12,630
I'm just going down, it means
I'm just going to be hammering

978
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:18,300
on it. What I want is I want to
be able to say I want to

979
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:25,200
subscribe to Adam curry station.
And I can go into a podcast app.

980
01:07:25,230 --> 01:07:29,100
I mean, I can look for Adam
curry station. And it'll be

981
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:34,410
something I can subscribe to.
And that station may include

982
01:07:34,770 --> 01:07:41,820
similar to a pod roll. The five
shows that I think are great,

983
01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:45,750
but when you subscribe to my
station, you will get the most

984
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:49,590
recent episode from those five
shows that I think are great.

985
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:55,380
Okay. Do we have something that
does that now?

986
01:07:57,930 --> 01:08:06,810
Dave Jones: Okay, so let you let
you have W, W K. RB. And you're

987
01:08:06,810 --> 01:08:10,020
going to be searching for that
state. You know that local

988
01:08:10,020 --> 01:08:15,210
station in your podcast app?
Yes. And then when you find that

989
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:18,990
you're going to subscribe to it.
Yes. And what you're gonna get

990
01:08:18,990 --> 01:08:23,460
is a list of the IS is the each
episode is a program in their

991
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:29,490
programming lineup. The last in
reverse chronological correct

992
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,900
with the rest recent to the
oldest

993
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:34,289
Adam Curry: correct. And then
I'd also like to take a

994
01:08:34,289 --> 01:08:37,919
percentage of that as my radio
station on the ministry

995
01:08:38,729 --> 01:08:44,609
Dave Jones: of I mean, off the
cuff. That's just a feed. That's

996
01:08:44,609 --> 01:08:46,739
just a part. That's just a
podcast feed.

997
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:50,309
Adam Curry: Yes, it's a podcast.
It's a dynamic podcast feed.

998
01:08:51,179 --> 01:08:51,629
Right?

999
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:54,120
Dave Jones: Right. Yeah. Which
is not a problem we did that

1000
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,280
with with 100% retro.

1001
01:09:01,949 --> 01:09:08,789
Because 100% Retro underpinned
retro was live. You know, we we

1002
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:12,779
were updating it every I think
it was every, every time the

1003
01:09:12,779 --> 01:09:15,449
programming every time the
programming grid change to the

1004
01:09:15,449 --> 01:09:18,329
next. Okay, yeah, broken. Okay,
we updated the fee.

1005
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:22,019
Adam Curry: All right, but it's
not a linear radio station. It's

1006
01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:26,699
not a stream. It's not a linear
radio station. It's literally so

1007
01:09:26,699 --> 01:09:31,889
as a part of my syndication, I'm
going to be promoting atom,

1008
01:09:31,979 --> 01:09:34,889
Adams local station, that I'm
going to put up billboards. I'm

1009
01:09:34,889 --> 01:09:38,309
gonna say, go to Edit, go to
your podcast app, your modern

1010
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:42,419
podcast app and subscribe to my
station, because I have the best

1011
01:09:42,419 --> 01:09:46,859
programs. And I'll probably have
my podcast in there. But I'll

1012
01:09:46,859 --> 01:09:51,089
also have five others that I
think are and hopefully I have a

1013
01:09:51,089 --> 01:09:53,639
relationship with them. But that
I think are these great

1014
01:09:53,639 --> 01:09:57,119
podcasts. So when you subscribe,
you're actually subscribing to

1015
01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:01,109
the podcast that I recommend.
But the Are all appearing under

1016
01:10:01,109 --> 01:10:05,699
my feed my station feed and what
you're seeing is the most recent

1017
01:10:05,699 --> 01:10:09,419
episode. That's why I say it was
like an OPML when you subscribe

1018
01:10:09,419 --> 01:10:11,459
to an OPML that's how that would
work.

1019
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,380
Dave Jones: Okay. So, okay. So
what you want to happen is use

1020
01:10:16,410 --> 01:10:22,140
is I searched for W ADM, yes
assigned, assigned it. And

1021
01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:26,580
inside that Thiede is a list of
is a are references to other

1022
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:27,150
fields.

1023
01:10:27,269 --> 01:10:32,069
Adam Curry: Yes. And therefore,
when I subscribe to it. So just

1024
01:10:32,069 --> 01:10:35,159
like you described a podcast in
2.0, I mean, and you click on

1025
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:38,519
the podcast and two point o
podcasts in your podcast list,

1026
01:10:38,549 --> 01:10:42,569
there's a list of episodes. Now
you're subscribing to K, Ada M.

1027
01:10:43,229 --> 01:10:46,109
And then what you see in the
episodes is the most recent

1028
01:10:46,109 --> 01:10:51,869
episodes reverse chronological
order of those feeds that I have

1029
01:10:51,869 --> 01:10:53,429
referenced. Referenced

1030
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:56,010
Dave Jones: feeds Yes, yes. So
it's following the trail for

1031
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:58,560
each feed and getting the most
recent index sorting them all

1032
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:59,370
background. Yes.

1033
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,360
Adam Curry: And then for extra
bonus points, I want to make my

1034
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,350
station que ADM that I produce,
I want to make that sticky at

1035
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:12,000
the top. So my EPS, my most
recent episode is always at the

1036
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:12,480
top.

1037
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,750
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's all
just, this is all just

1038
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:19,860
programmatic feed generation
stuff like so is there a reason

1039
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:26,430
why you're wanting it? Because,
Okay, couple things. Is there a

1040
01:11:26,430 --> 01:11:31,350
reason to do this app side
rather than back inside and just

1041
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:33,570
surf the generated feed? No.

1042
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:36,990
Adam Curry: Back end side is
perfect if I was just a little

1043
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:41,730
confused, because we had
publisher feeds and, and and

1044
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:47,040
playlists I'm now now that we're
talking about it's I love you so

1045
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,490
much, Dave Jones. Now that we're
talking about it, it's just a

1046
01:11:50,490 --> 01:11:55,260
back end generation. I think so.
Perfect. That's even better.

1047
01:11:55,770 --> 01:12:00,210
That's that's the best. Yay. I
love it.

1048
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,020
Dave Jones: I love it. Like,
there can be a feed like a

1049
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:07,260
publisher feed like yeah, this
would be you could create a

1050
01:12:07,260 --> 01:12:11,190
publisher feed or a playlist of
feeds, but not in but here's

1051
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:14,069
Adam Curry: the trick. Now,
here's the trick. The trick is,

1052
01:12:14,489 --> 01:12:18,929
when you subscribe to K ADM, my
feed, and you listen to one of

1053
01:12:18,929 --> 01:12:23,039
the episodes, I want a piece of
the split, and then I want the

1054
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:28,049
remote item of that episode to
flow through. Does that make

1055
01:12:28,049 --> 01:12:33,389
sense? So just just like
podcasting, 2.0 we take 5% We

1056
01:12:33,389 --> 01:12:36,179
play Ainsley. And the rest is
all split however she

1057
01:12:36,179 --> 01:12:36,899
determines.

1058
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:43,320
Dave Jones: Right? So you're
okay, so you're wanting K ADM

1059
01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:48,780
gets gets a percentage and the
rest goes to the source? Yes,

1060
01:12:48,810 --> 01:12:54,090
correct. I think I think the
best. I think honestly, the best

1061
01:12:54,090 --> 01:12:56,970
way to do that is just with back
end fee, generate Perfect,

1062
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,840
perfect, you've solved my
problem. The back end ingests

1063
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:06,720
the playlist and then assembles
a feed in dynamically every so

1064
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,570
every few minutes or however
long many times it takes it

1065
01:13:09,570 --> 01:13:12,540
assembles a feed with the proper
value recipients and all the

1066
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:17,700
stuff in it. Yes. Yes. So that
so that the app doesn't have to

1067
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:18,360
do a ton of

1068
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:22,739
Adam Curry: work. Yes. The app
just does what it does. already.

1069
01:13:22,769 --> 01:13:23,249
Yeah.

1070
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:25,050
Dave Jones: Perfect. Yeah. And
then and then there's just

1071
01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:27,780
centralist or there would just
be didn't need to be some server

1072
01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:31,230
that is doing all these this
feed generation and either in

1073
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:35,100
the either hosting is centrally
or farming it back out. Yes.

1074
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:37,050
These stations can host
themselves. Yes,

1075
01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:42,210
Adam Curry: yes. Yes, yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Hallelujah.

1076
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,470
Hallelujah. Yes.

1077
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:44,820
Dave Jones: All right mag.

1078
01:13:46,949 --> 01:13:50,729
Adam Curry: I'm very happy about
that. I am tasking myself with

1079
01:13:50,729 --> 01:13:53,339
creating 1000 local stations in
America.

1080
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:57,000
Dave Jones: Yeah, can Nathan's
right Katie and would be a feed

1081
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,460
filled with items pointing to
third party hosted enclosures,

1082
01:13:59,460 --> 01:14:03,750
but includes a value station in
cut. Yes. That's it. That's it.

1083
01:14:03,870 --> 01:14:07,770
And which is basically exactly
what we did for 100%. Retro.

1084
01:14:08,190 --> 01:14:10,620
Adam Curry: Okay, that's it.
I've got it. I'm done. I'm

1085
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:14,580
happy. I am a super happy man.
Because we don't have to change

1086
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:15,090
anything.

1087
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,330
Dave Jones: The only thing the
only thing that has to happen

1088
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:23,490
here are the the the local
station the local stations. Need

1089
01:14:23,490 --> 01:14:26,370
to figure out their playlists.
Yes,

1090
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,220
Adam Curry: exactly. By the way,
our Marcus Yes, he says sounds

1091
01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:31,830
like a man who just got back
from Caleb. Yep, you're right.

1092
01:14:32,970 --> 01:14:37,140
You're right. That's exactly
right. Exactly. What Oh, this is

1093
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:39,090
perfect. That is perfect.

1094
01:14:40,529 --> 01:14:42,839
Dave Jones: That was me happy.
That doesn't Yeah, that's that's

1095
01:14:42,839 --> 01:14:44,819
that doesn't sound like a
difficult project.

1096
01:14:44,879 --> 01:14:47,399
Adam Curry: I did want to
mention just because I love the

1097
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:51,959
guy so much this guy Fernando.
He has made this pod mobile

1098
01:14:51,959 --> 01:14:56,489
project product, I should say.
Pod mobile things that pod

1099
01:14:56,489 --> 01:15:00,929
mobile. Fernando Fernando is I
What'd I say? They said,

1100
01:15:00,929 --> 01:15:07,379
Fernando. Yeah. Pod mobile
Missy. It said What's it that it

1101
01:15:07,379 --> 01:15:11,939
said in this email? Now I've
been I've been talking to him

1102
01:15:11,939 --> 01:15:19,319
ever since for about a year now.
It's audio sigma.com. And he has

1103
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:22,589
made a device. Which

1104
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:24,960
Dave Jones: Oh, that guy. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Okay. And I've been

1105
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:25,470
testing

1106
01:15:25,470 --> 01:15:27,990
Adam Curry: and now he's moved
it to with a DSP. So it's

1107
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:31,950
digital signal processing. And
this is a device that you just

1108
01:15:31,950 --> 01:15:34,890
plug in a mic, you plug it into
your phone, or you plug it into

1109
01:15:34,890 --> 01:15:39,030
your computer, and it just
works. And the sound of this

1110
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:43,980
thing is Adam curry approved. He
has because this Dean he calls

1111
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:47,940
it a D noiser. So you literally
just Oh crack your mic, you

1112
01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:52,170
don't talk the press the button
until the back it's kind of a

1113
01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:56,550
noise gate filter and all in
one. And the preamps on this

1114
01:15:56,550 --> 01:16:01,110
thing aren't just like
delicious. They're delicious.

1115
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:06,090
And you could mix in you could
mix in your your your computer

1116
01:16:06,090 --> 01:16:10,230
or your phone audio. And you can
also use it with someone on

1117
01:16:10,230 --> 01:16:14,340
remote you know, so it's got a
where they call it a loopback

1118
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:17,640
interface. It's dynamite

1119
01:16:18,210 --> 01:16:22,530
Dave Jones: and it's no is this
is this road caster pro

1120
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,610
replaceable.

1121
01:16:25,020 --> 01:16:29,430
Adam Curry: It depends on what
you're doing. I think so yes. I

1122
01:16:30,030 --> 01:16:34,170
mean, well that well road caster
do Oh replaceable, I would say

1123
01:16:34,170 --> 01:16:37,650
because it he has a single
single mic version as well.

1124
01:16:38,250 --> 01:16:42,090
Which is the mic hero I think
it's called. Yes. But you know,

1125
01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:45,390
so you'd have to have your if
you do sound effects and stuff,

1126
01:16:45,390 --> 01:16:48,030
you have to have a soundboard
something that's on your

1127
01:16:48,030 --> 01:16:52,560
computer, or on your phone. But
even it's powered by USB. You

1128
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:58,110
don't even plug it in. I mean,
I've sick. I've been I've tested

1129
01:16:58,110 --> 01:17:03,030
it. And I've had three
generation of units here. And

1130
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:05,760
this thing is just it is
amazing.

1131
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,620
Dave Jones: This really is the
the what was that device that

1132
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:11,160
you Yes,

1133
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,380
Adam Curry: the Catchmaster
probe. This is what I was trying

1134
01:17:13,380 --> 01:17:18,990
to build back in the day. When I
was coming out at at road caster

1135
01:17:18,990 --> 01:17:22,890
prices. It was just too
expensive and was complicated.

1136
01:17:22,890 --> 01:17:27,090
But he solved a lot with this
and it's it's just a dynamite

1137
01:17:27,090 --> 01:17:27,780
device.

1138
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,039
Dave Jones: Me 289 For a single
mic. That's pretty doable.

1139
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:39,000
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
That is it. He's got a lot of

1140
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,360
smart things to views. If you
scroll down, you see the back.

1141
01:17:42,510 --> 01:17:49,020
Those are touch buttons. So it's
capacity capacitive buttons. So

1142
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,270
it's not actually a physical
button but you touch it and the

1143
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:55,320
adjust that. The LED turns
different colors for your

1144
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,730
equalizer D noise SiC is the
right word. It's it's an amazing

1145
01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:02,940
device. And this guy he comes
from I think Brazil came to

1146
01:18:02,940 --> 01:18:06,390
America with 100 bucks in his
pocket. He just been grinding

1147
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:09,600
away at some job and he's been
building these in his spare

1148
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,120
time. I'm so proud of him. He's
really doing something

1149
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:16,080
beautiful. And he's the engineer
guys everything these marketing

1150
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:21,420
He's He's everything. Yeah, the
mic hero DSP. That's the one.

1151
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:23,100
That's the single mic version.

1152
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,170
Dave Jones: Does he know how to
create Alby Wallace?

1153
01:18:27,989 --> 01:18:29,789
Adam Curry: You don't know these
Fernando.

1154
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:33,990
Dave Jones: Need to have a call
with Fernando.

1155
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,930
Adam Curry: Make sure it's
Fernando Now why am I think it

1156
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:37,710
is Francisco

1157
01:18:37,740 --> 01:18:38,490
Dave Jones: it's for NASA

1158
01:18:44,340 --> 01:18:47,340
but your bus route has that just
want to mention Buzzsprout has

1159
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:52,260
that they came out with that
podcast backup thing. I don't

1160
01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:55,770
know what they didn't like what
is that? Like you can point you

1161
01:18:55,770 --> 01:18:59,370
can point their tool at a at
your podcast and it'll back it

1162
01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:02,970
up like backup all the audio and
all that kind of stuff. Just for

1163
01:19:02,970 --> 01:19:06,120
safekeeping that I just wanted
to point out heard about that

1164
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:10,890
I'm just gonna mention there's a
tool that we built a long time

1165
01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:16,350
ago called sucky. They'll do the
same thing from the command line

1166
01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:19,650
so you can just like pointed
basically just use key space and

1167
01:19:19,650 --> 01:19:23,130
then and then the feed URL and
it'll suck all the the

1168
01:19:23,130 --> 01:19:26,490
enclosures down if people want
to automate you know downloads

1169
01:19:26,490 --> 01:19:31,920
them an automated backup to like
your own to your own storage or

1170
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:37,080
whatever. Completely there's a
bunch of like it's a must have

1171
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,950
happened last couple weeks
Stephen crater added episodes.fm

1172
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:43,290
and podcast AP links to the
website.

1173
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:47,640
Adam Curry: I use episodes FM
all the time. I unfortunately

1174
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,480
can't use it without an iTunes
ID so I have which I think he's

1175
01:19:51,480 --> 01:19:57,180
working on. But man do I love
that I see a lot of uptake.

1176
01:19:57,570 --> 01:20:01,470
Because I just send out the or
even when it's The if it's a

1177
01:20:01,470 --> 01:20:06,000
live show I always said that on
episodes FM Ling and people like

1178
01:20:06,030 --> 01:20:08,520
oh, this is great. I can just
select my favorite app and then

1179
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,360
it remembers it or I can play it
right there on the page is

1180
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,300
fantastic. What a smart smart
idea.

1181
01:20:16,529 --> 01:20:19,049
Dave Jones: Have you seen the
podcast a paid link?

1182
01:20:20,010 --> 01:20:20,580
Adam Curry: No,

1183
01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:24,750
Dave Jones: let me see. So if
you go to you know, just any

1184
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:30,330
podcast on podcast index.org
There's a there's a follow

1185
01:20:30,570 --> 01:20:33,480
there's like a little little
thing next to the lightning icon

1186
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:37,290
where you can click on it it'll
take you to podcast AP to that

1187
01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:40,680
feed and you can you can follow
it in Mastodon or whatever your

1188
01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:44,190
Adam Curry: upline. Oh, cool.

1189
01:20:45,330 --> 01:20:47,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz we're
gonna, you know, we're gonna put

1190
01:20:47,670 --> 01:20:51,390
this onto the page itself, then
I figure I mean, this Steven

1191
01:20:51,390 --> 01:20:53,880
already built it. So I'm like,
we'll just link out to that.

1192
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:59,520
Adam Curry: So he has a mystery.
Oh, okay. So there's episodes

1193
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,010
dot F m link there as well.
Yeah.

1194
01:21:02,490 --> 01:21:05,460
Dave Jones: Nice. So you can
click out to eight to either one

1195
01:21:05,460 --> 01:21:09,870
of those, like the replacement
for the Chiclets. Yeah, that

1196
01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:13,470
keeps us from having to like,
have all those stupid badges.

1197
01:21:13,470 --> 01:21:18,420
Yes. Yes, Nathan. Nathan says
he's up to 99,000 500 million

1198
01:21:18,450 --> 01:21:19,410
monthly active users

1199
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:21,930
Adam Curry: already is. That's
all from me. You're welcome.

1200
01:21:26,970 --> 01:21:29,130
He's even used the ma us so boy.

1201
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:33,870
Dave Jones: Yeah, the I don't
know. What do we

1202
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:37,290
Adam Curry: you listen to our
hatless and we got to do our

1203
01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:40,230
hate. Listen. Oh, you wanna do
the hatless? Yes, of course. The

1204
01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:44,670
hate listen was great this week.
It's a thin line between love

1205
01:21:44,670 --> 01:21:45,540
and hate people.

1206
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:53,910
Dave Jones: Yes, but where's my
clips? Out there? Okay. I've did

1207
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:59,760
not have a copy of my own clips
to look at. So yeah, the I was

1208
01:21:59,790 --> 01:22:03,780
I've been reading this book
showing the full room you open

1209
01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:06,720
this up when anyone there this?
I've been reading this book

1210
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,630
called. So do you know a guy
named Matthew Crawford?

1211
01:22:10,049 --> 01:22:11,579
Adam Curry: No. Can't say that.
I

1212
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:18,030
Dave Jones: do. So he wrote a
book called shockcraft as

1213
01:22:18,030 --> 01:22:20,040
SoulCraft that

1214
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:23,160
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, we've
talked about that. I think this

1215
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,250
is the guy who didn't he build a
motorcycle or something or did

1216
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:28,170
something? Yeah, he's

1217
01:22:28,169 --> 01:22:31,079
Dave Jones: a motorcycle
mechanic. Yeah. So I know about

1218
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:35,579
him. Sure. Sort of motorcycle
mechanic turns philosopher type.

1219
01:22:36,509 --> 01:22:38,849
I think he was a journalist and
stuff in the past. I'm not sure.

1220
01:22:38,879 --> 01:22:42,149
I don't know all of his history.
But shop craft is SoulCraft is

1221
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:48,959
his big work. But he also wrote
a book called Why We drive which

1222
01:22:48,959 --> 01:22:54,509
is a car book. He's a gearhead.
So this is a car book that I was

1223
01:22:54,539 --> 01:22:59,429
I was reading. I was reading
him. And he was reading this

1224
01:22:59,429 --> 01:23:04,739
book while we drive. And
currently, in a couple of days

1225
01:23:04,739 --> 01:23:11,039
ago, he said this. He said
future futurism which I like, I

1226
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:16,349
like this term futurism. Because
it's, it's got a you know, you

1227
01:23:16,349 --> 01:23:18,809
can't really say that word
without it being a little bit.

1228
01:23:19,379 --> 01:23:22,529
tongue in cheek like, you know,
these guys, this is there's some

1229
01:23:22,529 --> 01:23:27,809
shading is there. futurism is a
genre of mythmaking that seeks

1230
01:23:27,809 --> 01:23:31,349
to generate a feeling of
inevitability around some

1231
01:23:31,349 --> 01:23:35,039
desired outcome. A picture that
is offered as though it were a

1232
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:38,999
prediction, this is a good way
to attract investment. And

1233
01:23:38,999 --> 01:23:42,179
reciprocally, the flow of
investment dollars is a good way

1234
01:23:42,179 --> 01:23:45,149
to attract public speech of
fires, like journalists, thought

1235
01:23:45,149 --> 01:23:48,419
leaders, etc. Who will lend
their voices to the chorus of

1236
01:23:48,419 --> 01:23:51,989
inevitability, one must accept
the future rather than cling to

1237
01:23:51,989 --> 01:23:55,439
the past, which often means
simply accepting the present,

1238
01:23:55,559 --> 01:23:58,709
which presently exists, that's
perfectly adequate. Do you

1239
01:23:58,709 --> 01:24:02,129
prefer to wallow in the comfort
of self delusions of nostalgia?

1240
01:24:03,389 --> 01:24:07,229
Like, I like this description,
because this perfectly described

1241
01:24:07,229 --> 01:24:12,959
he's talking. He's talking here
about Uber. Yeah. And how the

1242
01:24:12,989 --> 01:24:17,339
they're not really a technology
company. You know, the thing,

1243
01:24:17,429 --> 01:24:20,759
like it's sort of it always
reminds me about avoid when you

1244
01:24:20,759 --> 01:24:25,079
said that Apple and Google and
these are not really technology

1245
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:31,259
companies, they're law firms
that make some apps. Like

1246
01:24:31,289 --> 01:24:33,869
that's, that's essentially what
he's saying about Uber is like,

1247
01:24:33,899 --> 01:24:40,889
Uber is not really a technology
company. They're a they're a, a

1248
01:24:40,889 --> 01:24:45,119
regulatory buster. They're more
of a political entity that

1249
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:50,189
happens to make a profit that
happens to make an app to enable

1250
01:24:50,429 --> 01:24:54,839
their pulling up sort of
political and financial means.

1251
01:24:55,469 --> 01:24:58,679
And you know, the whole the
whole thing is there. The Uber

1252
01:24:58,679 --> 01:25:02,219
model is never going to make is
never going to turn a profit is

1253
01:25:02,219 --> 01:25:07,139
this We all know that or at
least I hope we do. But it also

1254
01:25:07,139 --> 01:25:13,559
ends up creating just like
Airbnb. It creates tons of sort

1255
01:25:13,559 --> 01:25:17,339
of like what you want to call
supply side bloat. The reason

1256
01:25:17,339 --> 01:25:20,009
I'm bringing this up is because
I think this same thing has

1257
01:25:20,009 --> 01:25:24,359
happened with Spotify. I read
barabar letters article on

1258
01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:32,549
Spotify as leaving the IB. And I
think basically, Spotify is

1259
01:25:32,549 --> 01:25:35,309
essentially done the same thing
to the podcast industry to a

1260
01:25:35,309 --> 01:25:40,439
certain degree. You have
companies like Uber and Airbnb,

1261
01:25:41,459 --> 01:25:46,979
which have created tons of
supply side bloat, like fueled

1262
01:25:46,979 --> 01:25:51,929
by this exit strategy, desire
combined with political sort of

1263
01:25:51,959 --> 01:25:55,319
us versus them marketing. I
mean, that's the secret to

1264
01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:58,139
technology to tech industry
innovation. Now, if they

1265
01:25:58,139 --> 01:26:00,209
Adam Curry: even had a walled
garden at the most recent

1266
01:26:00,209 --> 01:26:02,429
podcast conference, you
literally couldn't come in.

1267
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,380
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And so
the so you now what you have is

1268
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:10,770
you have a because of Airbnb,
you have a housing market where

1269
01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:14,040
most of the houses are not most,
but a humongous percentage of

1270
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,770
the houses sit empty all the
time. 25%

1271
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,560
Adam Curry: of our housing
supply in Fredericksburg, Texas,

1272
01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:20,940
is air b&b.

1273
01:26:21,899 --> 01:26:25,649
Dave Jones: And I guarantee you
at any given time, there is a

1274
01:26:25,649 --> 01:26:26,699
great majority of that

1275
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:29,310
Adam Curry: is empty, except on
weekends. Yep. Yep, it's

1276
01:26:29,310 --> 01:26:29,880
literally

1277
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:32,310
Dave Jones: empty all the time.
And he makes the same. He makes

1278
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:38,010
the same statement about Uber.
He said, most of these Ubers sit

1279
01:26:38,010 --> 01:26:42,810
empty all the time. That's how
they that's how they maintain

1280
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:46,950
the illusion of tap a button and
have a car show up. Yeah. Is

1281
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:49,710
because most of the time they're
empty. They're just sitting

1282
01:26:49,710 --> 01:26:53,100
doing nothing. It's created this
huge bloat and the same thing is

1283
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:55,350
happening in AI.

1284
01:26:56,670 --> 01:26:58,590
Adam Curry: My favorite topic,
yes,

1285
01:26:58,620 --> 01:27:00,870
Dave Jones: it same thing is
happening with AI and the Bloom

1286
01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:05,700
is starting to come off the rows
on the whole thing when you have

1287
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:12,510
the hatless and on the media.
Looking at it, which and so a

1288
01:27:12,510 --> 01:27:16,410
couple of things he what what
got me is I had read this thing

1289
01:27:16,410 --> 01:27:21,990
in in while we drive about the
about this futurism. futurism is

1290
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:24,870
a genre of mythmaking that seeks
to generate a feeling of

1291
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:29,730
inevitability around a desired
outcome. And then on the media

1292
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,690
talks, there it is about
inevitability. All this

1293
01:27:33,690 --> 01:27:36,390
Unknown: while technology
companies push the public along

1294
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:41,130
a path that they and members of
the press say is inevitable. We

1295
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:44,040
know that generative AI that
chat GPT is the image

1296
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,190
generators, things like that are
much more computationally

1297
01:27:47,190 --> 01:27:49,740
intensive than the types of
tools that we were using

1298
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:52,950
previously. So they require a
lot more computing power. And as

1299
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:56,460
a result of that Amazon and
Microsoft and Google are in the

1300
01:27:56,460 --> 01:27:59,700
process of doing a major build
out of large hyperscale data

1301
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:02,970
centers around the world in
order to power what they hope

1302
01:28:02,970 --> 01:28:06,990
will be this major demand for
these generative AI tools into

1303
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:09,900
the future. That obviously
requires a lot of energy and a

1304
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:11,130
lot of water to power it.

1305
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,480
I think we have paths now to a
massive energy transition away

1306
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:16,350
from burning carbon.

1307
01:28:16,529 --> 01:28:20,069
And so in this interview in
January, with Bloomberg, Altman

1308
01:28:20,099 --> 01:28:22,949
actually directly engaged with
that when he was asked about it,

1309
01:28:23,129 --> 01:28:26,669
does this frighten you got this
because the world hasn't been

1310
01:28:26,669 --> 01:28:31,319
that versatile when it comes to
supply. But AI, as you have

1311
01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:34,229
pointed out, it's not going to
take its time until we start

1312
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:35,159
generating enough power,

1313
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,700
it motivates us to go invest
more in fusion and invest more

1314
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:40,170
in North new storage. He

1315
01:28:40,170 --> 01:28:43,230
said that we're actually going
to need an energy breakthrough

1316
01:28:43,380 --> 01:28:47,520
in nucular technologies in order
to power the vision of AI that

1317
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,180
he has, he didn't kind of
hesitate and say, Well, if we

1318
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:54,300
don't arrive at it, then maybe
we won't be able to roll out

1319
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:57,780
this vision of AI that I hope to
see but rather that we're just

1320
01:28:57,780 --> 01:29:00,660
going to have the power with
other you know, energy sources,

1321
01:29:00,660 --> 01:29:03,900
those often being fossil energy
sources, and that would require

1322
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:07,890
us to geoengineer the planet in
order to kind of keep it cooler

1323
01:29:07,890 --> 01:29:10,290
than it would otherwise be
because of all the emissions

1324
01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:11,190
that we're creating.

1325
01:29:12,779 --> 01:29:14,519
Adam Curry: The Messiah has
spoken

1326
01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:19,619
Dave Jones: Yeah, the these
people are insane. Yes. They are

1327
01:29:19,619 --> 01:29:21,959
literally they are insane. He's
what he's saying is we're going

1328
01:29:21,959 --> 01:29:26,759
to need so much Jeep like forget
Airbnb. Forget the way the

1329
01:29:26,759 --> 01:29:33,119
wasted space of Airbnb forget
the wasted gas and time of Uber.

1330
01:29:34,019 --> 01:29:40,859
This is going to be so much
wasted GPU compute, that we're

1331
01:29:40,859 --> 01:29:45,599
going to need to RIT to re
engineer the world's energy

1332
01:29:45,599 --> 01:29:54,419
systems to be able to handle the
massive the massive quantities

1333
01:29:54,419 --> 01:29:59,159
of power needed for Google to
tell you that you need to put

1334
01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:07,379
glue on your pizza. that that
these people are insane. And

1335
01:30:07,379 --> 01:30:09,719
they're also this. So can

1336
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,180
Adam Curry: I just stop you?
Yeah, just looking at Sam

1337
01:30:12,180 --> 01:30:15,720
Altman, just if you remove
yourself from a moment from the

1338
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:20,490
technology realm, he's acting
insane. He's acting like an

1339
01:30:20,490 --> 01:30:26,280
insane person. Just talk to him.
Look at him. He acts like he's

1340
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:26,940
nuts.

1341
01:30:27,569 --> 01:30:35,999
Dave Jones: He's got dead eyes.
Yes, yes. So the this emergent

1342
01:30:35,999 --> 01:30:43,409
properties, idea that it's
awesome. What they did here

1343
01:30:43,409 --> 01:30:47,159
because they went back and
checked on some of these. Some

1344
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:50,069
of these things that we've been
told. And remember, this is all

1345
01:30:50,069 --> 01:30:56,099
about the tech industry is all
about is futurism. It's all

1346
01:30:56,099 --> 01:31:03,059
about the myth of inevitability.
And one way you do that is what

1347
01:31:03,089 --> 01:31:06,929
he just did by saying, okay,
look, this is so this is so

1348
01:31:06,959 --> 01:31:10,769
crucial to humanity, such a game
changer, that we're going to

1349
01:31:10,769 --> 01:31:15,029
have to invent cold fusion, or
whatever to to power these

1350
01:31:15,029 --> 01:31:20,189
things. And then the other part
is, look, this, this technology

1351
01:31:20,549 --> 01:31:24,449
is doing things itself, you
can't even stop it. Like it's

1352
01:31:24,449 --> 01:31:28,049
got. It's got emergent
properties that we don't even

1353
01:31:28,049 --> 01:31:29,519
understand. So one of

1354
01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:33,090
Adam Curry: them. Oh, man, I had
it so perfectly timed. Oh, yeah,

1355
01:31:33,090 --> 01:31:33,420
sorry,

1356
01:31:33,449 --> 01:31:35,099
Unknown: one of the biggest
problems, there was not just

1357
01:31:35,099 --> 01:31:38,159
what Sundar Pichai was saying,
but that the hosts of the

1358
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,889
program, who were, you know,
interviewing him and conducting

1359
01:31:40,889 --> 01:31:44,189
this, we're not really pushing
back on any of these narratives

1360
01:31:44,189 --> 01:31:45,449
that he was putting out there

1361
01:31:45,570 --> 01:31:50,100
of the AI issues we talked
about. The most mysterious is

1362
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:55,710
called emergent property Scott
Pelley of 60 minutes, some AI

1363
01:31:55,710 --> 01:31:59,610
systems are teaching themselves
skills that they weren't

1364
01:31:59,610 --> 01:32:05,910
expected to have. For example,
one Google AI program adapted on

1365
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:10,800
its own, after it was prompted
in the language of Bangladesh,

1366
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:14,370
which it was not trained to
know. After

1367
01:32:14,370 --> 01:32:17,640
the peace came out AI researcher
Margaret Mitchell, who

1368
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:22,500
previously co lead Google's AI
ethics team posted on X saying

1369
01:32:22,500 --> 01:32:26,340
that according to Google's own
public documents, the Chatbot

1370
01:32:26,370 --> 01:32:30,990
had actually been trained on
Bengali texts, meaning this was

1371
01:32:30,990 --> 01:32:33,960
not evidence of emergent
properties. Oops.

1372
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:37,559
Adam Curry: Good show title
though. emergent properties. I

1373
01:32:37,559 --> 01:32:38,069
like that.

1374
01:32:38,670 --> 01:32:41,400
Dave Jones: The other so that,
you know, that was the one that

1375
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,340
we that we heard from the 60
Minutes interview, they sort of

1376
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:46,350
propelled this, there's, you
know, it's like there's always

1377
01:32:46,350 --> 01:32:50,460
this, there's always this media
propellant. Like with COVID. It

1378
01:32:50,460 --> 01:32:57,330
was a poster home on Rogen. That
lit the fire of COVID. That that

1379
01:32:57,330 --> 01:33:01,470
60 minutes thing, I think, was a
flashpoint that lit the fire of

1380
01:33:01,470 --> 01:33:06,210
MLMs. But that, you know, so we
everybody knows about that one,

1381
01:33:06,210 --> 01:33:08,670
but the the other one you hear
all the time is it passed the

1382
01:33:08,670 --> 01:33:14,730
bar exam. This is a classic.
Yeah, and that was BS, too.

1383
01:33:14,910 --> 01:33:17,400
Unknown: Here's another
exaggeration that made its way

1384
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:21,690
into a TV news piece. The latest
version chat GPT. Four can even

1385
01:33:21,690 --> 01:33:25,890
pass the bar exam with a score
in the top 10%. And it can do it

1386
01:33:25,890 --> 01:33:30,240
all in just seconds chat GPT
four scored in the 90th

1387
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,510
percentile on the bar exam. Was
that legit?

1388
01:33:34,260 --> 01:33:37,410
Yeah, so that claim was debunked
recently,

1389
01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:41,550
Julia Angwin is the founder of
proof news. She recently wrote

1390
01:33:41,550 --> 01:33:44,880
an op ed for the New York Times
titled press pause on the

1391
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,500
Silicon Valley hype machine.

1392
01:33:46,710 --> 01:33:51,720
And MIT researcher basically
reran the test and found that it

1393
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,200
actually scored in the 48th
percentile. And the difference

1394
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:59,100
was that when you're talking
about percentiles, you have to

1395
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:01,410
say, who are the other people in
that cohort that you're

1396
01:34:01,410 --> 01:34:05,130
comparing with, right. And so
apparently, open AI was

1397
01:34:05,130 --> 01:34:09,750
comparing to a cohort of people
who had previously failed the

1398
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:11,130
exam multiple times.

1399
01:34:12,449 --> 01:34:16,199
Open AI compared its product to
a group that took the bar in

1400
01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:20,999
February, they tend to fail more
than people who take it in July.

1401
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:26,550
And so when you put it compared
to a cohort of people who had

1402
01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:29,790
passed it at the regular rate,
then you got to this 48

1403
01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:33,180
percentile. The problem is that
paper comes out. It's peer

1404
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:35,490
reviewed, and it's like goes
through the academic process

1405
01:34:35,490 --> 01:34:37,620
that comes out like a year later
than the claim.

1406
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:41,100
Adam Curry: This is if I can
just if I can interrupt your

1407
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:45,300
flow for a second. This is part
of the reason why I believe the

1408
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:50,910
twit network is dying once
phones came out, although what

1409
01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:53,580
happened before that for many,
many years, and this is

1410
01:34:53,580 --> 01:34:56,220
something I learned from Dave
Winer, because he always

1411
01:34:56,220 --> 01:34:59,970
complained about this, and
Dave's good at complaining the

1412
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,980
He, that the technology press
became cheerleaders. And the

1413
01:35:07,980 --> 01:35:11,550
reason they became cheerleaders
is because they would get early

1414
01:35:11,550 --> 01:35:15,660
access to something, then if
they weren't a cheerleader,

1415
01:35:15,690 --> 01:35:19,740
their early access would go
away. And of course, the hunger

1416
01:35:19,740 --> 01:35:23,880
for the coolest latest widget,
the new phone with, you know,

1417
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:27,540
with the latest cameras in it or
whatever the whatever the widget

1418
01:35:27,540 --> 01:35:31,500
is, and they really became
instead of critical, because

1419
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:35,670
they get free, you know,
evaluation devices and early

1420
01:35:35,670 --> 01:35:40,560
access and they all work under
embargo. And whenever I hear

1421
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,530
embargo, I'm like, Okay, you're
just you're promoting something

1422
01:35:43,530 --> 01:35:46,740
because you know, if you get
some new if there's news is

1423
01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:49,830
news, and you report on the
news, otherwise, you're just

1424
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:56,400
doing embargo you just really a
flowered over pr agents. And so

1425
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,970
everything is always cool and
awesome. It doesn't always work.

1426
01:35:59,970 --> 01:36:04,500
See the apple vision Pro, but in
general, and boy, by the way,

1427
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:09,750
Kara Swisher is a huge shill in
this way. I mean, I remember her

1428
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:13,320
saying for months, Apple's thing
is going to suck. Who needs it?

1429
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,560
Ben, she got an early demo. This
is the future. This is

1430
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:20,580
fantastic. This is great. So
it's that early. The technology

1431
01:36:20,580 --> 01:36:23,850
press is not press anymore. And
that started with the twit

1432
01:36:23,850 --> 01:36:27,390
network with the phones. When
phones came out it was always

1433
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:29,460
the new phone. We got to new
cool this the cool. That's so

1434
01:36:29,460 --> 01:36:31,440
cool. It's so cool. And
everything became cool and

1435
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,860
awesome. And um, they actually
became the SAM Altman's the

1436
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,260
people on the panel. Well, you
could use it for this. Imagine

1437
01:36:37,260 --> 01:36:39,960
this Imagine that? Well emergent
properties?

1438
01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:46,290
Dave Jones: That, you know, I'll
put this back to on on Apple as

1439
01:36:46,860 --> 01:36:50,220
access journalism has always
been a problem to like put in,

1440
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:55,200
especially in politics. Yeah.
But in the in the tech world, ag

1441
01:36:55,410 --> 01:37:00,060
access journalism was, I think
it was refined into an art form

1442
01:37:00,060 --> 01:37:02,850
by Apple and Steve Jobs
specifically, I agree with every

1443
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,610
Yeah, everybody wanted to
interview him, everybody wanted

1444
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:09,180
access. And so in order to do
that, you had to suck up, you

1445
01:37:09,180 --> 01:37:12,450
know, to the to the Apple
corporate machine, and get and

1446
01:37:12,450 --> 01:37:14,700
get in their good graces,
because they would cut you off.

1447
01:37:15,570 --> 01:37:17,400
They'll cut you off, you
wouldn't get invited to their

1448
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,000
exclusive, you know, new product
launches and these kinds of

1449
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,770
things. You know, you couldn't
sit there in the audience and

1450
01:37:22,770 --> 01:37:28,380
blog as they were talking on
stage. And like this goes back.

1451
01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:30,990
So that goes back to another
thing. They talked about this

1452
01:37:30,990 --> 01:37:35,400
interview in this piece about
the coveted tech founder

1453
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:36,990
interview. Today, we're

1454
01:37:36,990 --> 01:37:39,270
Unknown: seeing so many fun, we
got

1455
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:41,460
Adam Curry: to we've got to work
on our transitions day, if I'm

1456
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:43,500
not sure if I'm jumping the gun
on Yeah,

1457
01:37:43,979 --> 01:37:47,009
Dave Jones: yeah, I'm getting
carried away. And I'm just like

1458
01:37:47,009 --> 01:37:48,059
running off at the mouth.

1459
01:37:49,649 --> 01:37:51,869
Adam Curry: You're literally
giving me the what I think is

1460
01:37:51,869 --> 01:37:55,199
the cue and I'm like, Okay, hit
it. Let me run again.

1461
01:37:56,430 --> 01:38:00,120
Dave Jones: Okay. All right. And
so that brings us back to

1462
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,250
another thing they talked about
in this piece, which is the tech

1463
01:38:02,250 --> 01:38:03,930
founder interview. Today,

1464
01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:07,500
Unknown: we've seen so many
fawning conversations with tech

1465
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:11,190
leaders who are at the forefront
of artificial intelligence.

1466
01:38:11,340 --> 01:38:13,800
Yeah, absolutely. One of the
ones that really stands out, of

1467
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,220
course, is an interview that
Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Google

1468
01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:20,940
did with 60 minutes back in
April of 2023. And in this

1469
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:25,530
interview, Sundar was talking
about how these AIs were a black

1470
01:38:25,530 --> 01:38:28,230
box, and we don't know what goes
on in there. Let

1471
01:38:28,230 --> 01:38:31,470
me put it this way. I don't
think we fully understand how a

1472
01:38:31,470 --> 01:38:32,880
human mind works either.

1473
01:38:34,260 --> 01:38:36,090
Adam Curry: By the way, know
that on the transition, that was

1474
01:38:36,090 --> 01:38:36,870
great, that was

1475
01:38:38,010 --> 01:38:41,790
Dave Jones: Z. So this goes back
to remember principle number one

1476
01:38:41,790 --> 01:38:46,530
is to have tech now of the tech
Hype Machine is that these

1477
01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:49,770
people are insane. They smoke
crack, actually,

1478
01:38:49,770 --> 01:38:52,560
Adam Curry: they're micro dosing
the ketamine,

1479
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:59,070
Dave Jones: ketamine the I love
I love the reason I put this in

1480
01:38:59,070 --> 01:39:03,330
here is because I love what
Sundar Pichai the way the thing

1481
01:39:03,330 --> 01:39:06,720
he said, I think it's easy to
escape if you're not listening

1482
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,850
close and thinking about what he
said. He said, We don't

1483
01:39:11,850 --> 01:39:18,360
understand fully the way the
human mind works either. There

1484
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:25,440
is a real equivocation there
between LLS limbs in the human

1485
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,229
Adam Curry: mind, this is quite
a bit of space in between the

1486
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:29,909
two can we

1487
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:32,880
Dave Jones: just say that if you
think if you even attempt to

1488
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,210
equivocate on those two things
you're you're literally smoking

1489
01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:42,000
crack Yeah, you are insane.
Yeah. But the this one the what

1490
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,540
I love the best part of the
whole the whole on the media

1491
01:39:45,540 --> 01:39:49,290
which we sort of bring it brings
it back around to the to the to

1492
01:39:49,290 --> 01:39:54,960
his hate listen core. Is this
awesome groundbreaking idea.

1493
01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:59,100
Unknown: Journalists shouldn't
believe just a video that claims

1494
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:01,740
to show something how running
without actually taking a minute

1495
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:06,810
to even carefully watch the
video or ask to have access to

1496
01:40:06,810 --> 01:40:09,150
the tool themselves. Oh,

1497
01:40:09,209 --> 01:40:13,769
Adam Curry: it's no, it's the
demo. It's the demo. The demo.

1498
01:40:13,799 --> 01:40:21,419
Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, the
sad thing is that governments

1499
01:40:21,419 --> 01:40:24,719
are all over this. And I know
why. Because the government so

1500
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:28,019
like, hey, wait a minute, if we
can control what's in these

1501
01:40:28,019 --> 01:40:31,889
MLMs, we can control the output
and we can have, or what goes

1502
01:40:31,889 --> 01:40:35,339
into these MLMs or we can
control the companies through

1503
01:40:35,339 --> 01:40:39,449
legislation, they will be able
to control the masses who have

1504
01:40:39,449 --> 01:40:44,129
been taught by the access
journalist that this is real.

1505
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:48,689
And that this is reasoning, and
that this is the human brain.

1506
01:40:49,019 --> 01:40:53,669
And so now of course, it's
backfiring. Specifically,

1507
01:40:53,879 --> 01:40:57,839
though, particularly for Google
is backfiring. Big time, because

1508
01:40:57,839 --> 01:41:01,259
you Yeah, it's now they're just
a mean, they're just an ongoing

1509
01:41:01,259 --> 01:41:05,609
meme about the latest, crazy
thing that Google search is

1510
01:41:05,609 --> 01:41:08,609
throwing back at people. You
know, I don't have to mention

1511
01:41:08,609 --> 01:41:12,329
them all. But the cockroaches is
a fun one. Oh, that's great.

1512
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:14,039
And, and the glue on?

1513
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:17,850
Dave Jones: My favorite one is
the dog in a hot car. Did you

1514
01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:22,440
see that? What's that? Is it
okay to leave in a dog in a hot

1515
01:41:22,440 --> 01:41:24,810
car? And the answer was, yes,
it's perfectly fine to leave a

1516
01:41:24,810 --> 01:41:28,380
dog in a hot car. And it kept
going. And it said there's even

1517
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:31,470
a Beatles song called dog in a
car and they started giving

1518
01:41:31,470 --> 01:41:38,850
lyrics. I love that's great. I
love it. Because when you it, it

1519
01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:45,210
takes away the mystery of all
this. When you can follow the

1520
01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:49,230
the answer it gives and see the
Reddit post that it pulled from.

1521
01:41:49,740 --> 01:41:53,550
Exactly, exactly. And and makes
it where it's no longer

1522
01:41:53,550 --> 01:41:54,270
mysterious. And

1523
01:41:54,269 --> 01:41:58,859
Adam Curry: this whole thing is
circular. Because the news

1524
01:41:58,859 --> 01:42:02,219
business who is always looking
for a daddy, they've been ever

1525
01:42:02,219 --> 01:42:05,429
since the internet, the news
business has been dying because

1526
01:42:05,429 --> 01:42:09,239
they mistakenly thought that
people would pay for news. And

1527
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:12,239
it was always been a loss
leader. Back in the days of

1528
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:16,439
Cronkite and CBS and the Tiffany
network. It was literally a loss

1529
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:20,969
leader. The newspapers found out
that oh wait a minute, people

1530
01:42:20,969 --> 01:42:23,999
weren't actually paying to read
our news. They were they it was

1531
01:42:23,999 --> 01:42:26,699
the classifieds that were paying
for them to print the news,

1532
01:42:26,909 --> 01:42:31,049
along with the classifieds. And
now it's come full circle where

1533
01:42:31,049 --> 01:42:34,019
these news outlets, the latest
being the Atlantic are like,

1534
01:42:34,019 --> 01:42:37,829
yeah, we'll sell you our data
for your LLM. So it's a circular

1535
01:42:37,829 --> 01:42:42,569
thing now. So it's gonna be
their crap being fed right back

1536
01:42:42,569 --> 01:42:45,179
into their crap. It's just it's
going to go on forever and ever

1537
01:42:45,179 --> 01:42:48,419
and ever. And, and I've
predicted this, I'm going to say

1538
01:42:48,419 --> 01:42:53,459
one more time, the future is
dark, it's a dark winter. And

1539
01:42:53,459 --> 01:42:56,099
there will will be a pivot to
the next hype, which will be

1540
01:42:56,099 --> 01:43:00,479
quantum computing. That's the
next pivot. The pivot is quantum

1541
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,689
my sister is in this business.
And she says her customers are

1542
01:43:03,689 --> 01:43:07,619
already asking for Quantum.
They've heard it and Google is

1543
01:43:07,649 --> 01:43:11,759
has products they are now
they're unaffordable for

1544
01:43:11,759 --> 01:43:14,369
shopping sites, etc. Because
that's what most of this stuff

1545
01:43:14,369 --> 01:43:19,109
is being used for. She has
clients who know they and she

1546
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:23,609
integrates AI into their
shopping systems. So that

1547
01:43:23,609 --> 01:43:26,969
there's never an an empty
answer. It never comes back and

1548
01:43:26,969 --> 01:43:30,539
says no, I don't have that
product for you ever. So it's

1549
01:43:30,539 --> 01:43:35,009
it's built to lie and say no,
but you might want this. And her

1550
01:43:35,009 --> 01:43:37,409
customers are already saying
well, can we get quantum because

1551
01:43:37,409 --> 01:43:41,879
we see Google as a as again, a
very spiffy demo. But once you

1552
01:43:41,879 --> 01:43:45,179
actually add on the features,
it's unaffordable to me there's

1553
01:43:45,179 --> 01:43:50,159
no way it just it'll never the
numbers never work out. But that

1554
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,769
will be the next hype. And this
is the this is the issue.

1555
01:43:53,219 --> 01:43:56,009
Because you look at the stock
market right now in video makes

1556
01:43:56,009 --> 01:44:00,329
up a big part of the s&p 500
Spike. Oh,

1557
01:44:00,330 --> 01:44:03,450
Dave Jones: yeah, it's like
something like 5% of the index

1558
01:44:03,450 --> 01:44:04,260
by itself.

1559
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:07,140
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes, yes,
yes. Oh,

1560
01:44:07,139 --> 01:44:10,769
Dave Jones: it's it once this
but when this bubble pops, it's

1561
01:44:10,769 --> 01:44:11,549
going to be bad.

1562
01:44:11,970 --> 01:44:14,970
Adam Curry: So I have a clip
that I played I think we could

1563
01:44:14,970 --> 01:44:19,260
go on no agenda is from a New
York University professor who

1564
01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:23,520
was on CNBC and I love CNBC
because they kind of have to

1565
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,900
report some truth because it is
financial. And a lot of it is

1566
01:44:28,020 --> 01:44:31,230
this numbers you know this real
income and you know, once you

1567
01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:34,680
get past the EBIT, da and all
that, all that kind of fuzzy

1568
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,710
numbers which actual market
participants understand very

1569
01:44:37,710 --> 01:44:38,220
well,

1570
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:40,170
Dave Jones: this Becky on Squawk
Box.

1571
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,740
Adam Curry: This is the result
of this guy kind of tells it as

1572
01:44:43,740 --> 01:44:44,310
it is.

1573
01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:47,100
Unknown: You've consistently
offered gut checks about

1574
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,580
hallucinations, lack of
progress, the way in which this

1575
01:44:50,580 --> 01:44:54,120
is not the pipe dream that some
envision. Have any of the recent

1576
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,050
product introductions changed
your mind? No, I

1577
01:44:58,050 --> 01:45:00,450
mean, we're still basically
working with With the same

1578
01:45:00,450 --> 01:45:04,350
technology, it's still designed
in the same way. It takes a lot

1579
01:45:04,350 --> 01:45:06,960
of statistics from a lot of
words and tries to predict what

1580
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,290
happens next. And as soon as
these things come out, people

1581
01:45:10,290 --> 01:45:13,110
start playing with them on
Twitter and so forth. And you

1582
01:45:13,110 --> 01:45:15,330
see a lot of examples where
they're still making the same

1583
01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:18,540
boneheaded mistakes as they were
before. Nobody has actually

1584
01:45:18,540 --> 01:45:21,090
solved to loosen nations. And I
don't think we can with large

1585
01:45:21,090 --> 01:45:24,690
language models. I think we need
genuine innovation here. So what

1586
01:45:24,690 --> 01:45:27,630
happens is we have a trap right
now where people propose things

1587
01:45:27,630 --> 01:45:31,170
like the humane AI, then
imagining that AI is solved, and

1588
01:45:31,170 --> 01:45:33,270
then they put it out in the
world. And we realize, no, it's

1589
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:36,510
not solved. And I'm afraid that
hasn't happened yet.

1590
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:39,960
Are you going so far as to argue
that the wave of investment that

1591
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:43,410
very smart companies are making
right now is misplaced?

1592
01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:46,590
I think people are putting in
too much money too fast. I do

1593
01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:50,370
think it's kind of premature.
Sam Altman talked about raising

1594
01:45:50,370 --> 01:45:55,500
$7 trillion. That's like series
H money, or something like that,

1595
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:57,780
when you've really established
your business model, and so

1596
01:45:57,780 --> 01:46:00,810
forth. And that just hasn't
happened here. I will publicly

1597
01:46:00,810 --> 01:46:03,870
predicted that open air, I might
turn out to be the WeWork of AI,

1598
01:46:04,050 --> 01:46:06,240
people might scratch their heads
and say, Well, this is a

1599
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:09,180
solution. In search of a
problem. We haven't really found

1600
01:46:09,180 --> 01:46:12,690
the problem. The whole industry
spent something like $50 billion

1601
01:46:13,170 --> 01:46:17,070
last year made $3 billion in
revenue, that is not sustainable

1602
01:46:17,070 --> 01:46:19,650
in the long term. So either they
have to make it better, which is

1603
01:46:19,650 --> 01:46:22,440
proven really difficult, or they
have to find some killer use

1604
01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:24,660
case, which they haven't really
because the performance is

1605
01:46:24,660 --> 01:46:27,570
unreliable. So yeah, my guess is
that a lot of investors are

1606
01:46:27,570 --> 01:46:28,380
going to be left holding

1607
01:46:28,380 --> 01:46:32,280
Adam Curry: back 50 billion and
3 billion out. Wow, that's

1608
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,550
Dave Jones: not that's not
sustainable. Unless it's a war.

1609
01:46:35,700 --> 01:46:40,080
Adam Curry: This is fine. Yeah,
the thing is, this all stems

1610
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:48,270
from really a math sex cult
called Effective Altruism. Oh,

1611
01:46:48,270 --> 01:46:52,320
Dave Jones: yeah. The the, that
that, that Australian chick that

1612
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,910
sounds like she's from America.
Yeah. She's she's in that too.

1613
01:46:56,940 --> 01:46:57,300
Yeah.

1614
01:46:57,509 --> 01:46:59,759
Adam Curry: This is they were
all in they thought they could

1615
01:46:59,759 --> 01:47:03,149
solve the world's problems
through math. And but it's

1616
01:47:03,149 --> 01:47:06,929
really a sex cult. And that's
what that's what look at Sam

1617
01:47:06,929 --> 01:47:07,619
Altman.

1618
01:47:08,250 --> 01:47:10,950
Dave Jones: And and what's his
name of SPF?

1619
01:47:11,069 --> 01:47:14,519
Adam Curry: It's same also
Effective Altruism, the another

1620
01:47:14,519 --> 01:47:17,129
sex cult, with a nicer
apartment.

1621
01:47:19,140 --> 01:47:21,150
Dave Jones: Cisco was better
dig? Yeah, it's

1622
01:47:21,150 --> 01:47:23,940
Adam Curry: much better digs.
Exactly. Exactly.

1623
01:47:23,939 --> 01:47:27,359
Dave Jones: This, you know,
bring it back around to to

1624
01:47:27,359 --> 01:47:31,319
podcasting for a second spot.
This is what I just get echoing

1625
01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:34,889
when I was reading Brian
Bartlett, his piece on Spotify,

1626
01:47:34,889 --> 01:47:36,749
which I which I think is a good
piece I think everybody should

1627
01:47:36,749 --> 01:47:40,349
read it is from if you're
thinking about podcasting from

1628
01:47:40,349 --> 01:47:47,609
his frame, which is advertising,
so selling and selling ads. He's

1629
01:47:47,939 --> 01:47:52,949
seeing the result of, of this
same process that happened in

1630
01:47:52,949 --> 01:47:57,569
the podcasting world, Spotify, I
keep thinking back to a couple

1631
01:47:57,569 --> 01:48:04,799
years ago, James had mentioned
he said, that Spotify as press,

1632
01:48:04,829 --> 01:48:09,599
their media department was just
an absolute machine pumping out

1633
01:48:09,629 --> 01:48:13,949
press releases, like two or
three a week. And it's that same

1634
01:48:13,949 --> 01:48:22,199
process of trying to manufacture
a, a myth of inevitability, that

1635
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:26,249
that pot, you know, the future
of Spotify is, it's going to be

1636
01:48:26,249 --> 01:48:28,379
you know, it's, you're going to
come everybody everything's

1637
01:48:28,379 --> 01:48:30,389
going to be first party data,
everything's going to be going

1638
01:48:30,389 --> 01:48:33,299
through our app, where the
Kings, you better to get on

1639
01:48:33,299 --> 01:48:38,009
board, or you're gonna get left
behind. And now that they've now

1640
01:48:38,009 --> 01:48:42,419
that they've gotten once they
got religion, and decided to

1641
01:48:42,419 --> 01:48:46,169
turn a profit, they've just cut
everything and now they're just

1642
01:48:46,169 --> 01:48:49,229
getting now they're ruthless.
They're cutting out the they're

1643
01:48:49,229 --> 01:48:52,079
cutting out direct sale, they're
gonna be they're gonna start

1644
01:48:52,079 --> 01:48:54,779
undercutting all of their
publishers on the advertising

1645
01:48:54,779 --> 01:48:59,369
side. It's about to get ugly,
because they, they saw, and I

1646
01:48:59,369 --> 01:49:02,399
think they got emboldened by
YouTube coming into podcasting.

1647
01:49:02,759 --> 01:49:05,639
YouTube was like, that was like,
no, no, we're not doing passthru

1648
01:49:05,639 --> 01:49:07,379
we're just going to host
everything ourselves. Yeah. And

1649
01:49:07,379 --> 01:49:10,769
you get nothing. Yes, right.
Yeah, we're gonna do that, too.

1650
01:49:10,799 --> 01:49:17,219
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if
if it's vodka if Spotify ditches

1651
01:49:17,219 --> 01:49:19,139
pass through in the next Oh,
here.

1652
01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:23,969
Adam Curry: And the end, the
only way RSS works is if it

1653
01:49:23,969 --> 01:49:27,509
works everywhere. Yeah. And
that's, you know, wherever you

1654
01:49:27,509 --> 01:49:30,599
get your podcast is one of the
most powerful statements and

1655
01:49:30,599 --> 01:49:36,659
media ever created, ever
created. Then you can't just

1656
01:49:36,659 --> 01:49:40,859
have it work on one in one
place. It just it's that's what

1657
01:49:40,859 --> 01:49:44,699
we've learned is 20 years of
experience here. It has to work

1658
01:49:44,699 --> 01:49:45,329
everywhere.

1659
01:49:46,529 --> 01:49:48,629
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's and
that's what we talked about the

1660
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:52,109
very beginning of the show. I
mean, if if this stuff, if we

1661
01:49:52,109 --> 01:49:54,749
can't fix the lightning thing,
if it doesn't work everywhere,

1662
01:49:54,749 --> 01:49:56,849
then it doesn't work. That's
right. It's got to work

1663
01:49:56,849 --> 01:49:57,359
everywhere.

1664
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:01,019
Adam Curry: Let's make it work
everywhere, everybody Let's make

1665
01:50:01,019 --> 01:50:05,369
it work everywhere well thanks
people yeah I'll kick it off

1666
01:50:05,369 --> 01:50:08,159
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1667
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:11,639
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1669
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the flak nobody's gonna get me
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1672
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1681
01:51:11,099 --> 01:51:13,859
like it a lot. That's exactly
the stuff that we needed to be

1682
01:51:13,859 --> 01:51:20,159
doing with music on podcasting
to porno, more wallets. Sam says

1683
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:27,899
the 1000 SATs, his usual opening
line, we already do this. For

1684
01:51:27,899 --> 01:51:31,019
playlists, if you create a
playlist and someone plays it,

1685
01:51:31,019 --> 01:51:34,079
he's coming in from true fans.
Of course, we pay the creator of

1686
01:51:34,079 --> 01:51:37,499
the playlist, the percentage we
paid the podcast episode. In the

1687
01:51:37,499 --> 01:51:40,469
playlist, we just need to add V
for V splits the publisher

1688
01:51:40,469 --> 01:51:44,459
feeds, we're doing this for our
new event feed. And another 1000

1689
01:51:44,459 --> 01:51:47,519
sets. Oh, that's this Oh, he
sent it twice a message twice.

1690
01:51:47,549 --> 01:51:51,029
He sent it and the origin of the
1000 SATs. says this is a

1691
01:51:51,029 --> 01:51:53,459
publisher feed we do this
already. So you have a radio

1692
01:51:53,459 --> 01:51:58,019
feed. I don't think it's the
same thing was what I described.

1693
01:51:58,889 --> 01:51:59,219
It,

1694
01:51:59,670 --> 01:52:02,610
Dave Jones: it's it is the same
thing, but it depends on how you

1695
01:52:02,610 --> 01:52:08,760
handle it. But that's the thing
is that is how you parse it. You

1696
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:13,620
know, are you expecting to parse
it as a pod roll type, right

1697
01:52:13,740 --> 01:52:17,160
linkage or are you expecting to
follow the feeds to their

1698
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,260
sources and then grab the items
out?

1699
01:52:19,290 --> 01:52:23,010
Adam Curry: Okay, so that's an
app specific way of parsing?

1700
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,860
Dave Jones: Yeah, it can it can
do whatever you want depending

1701
01:52:25,860 --> 01:52:27,720
on you know, the on the medium
or whatever.

1702
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:32,850
Adam Curry: Got it. Yeah. 2222
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Dave Jones: Daniel Lewis in the
chat says Sam says he needs a t

1705
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shirt. We do this already.

1706
01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:46,110
Adam Curry: 3333 from cotton
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Dave Jones: owner of a shiny new
Apollo to money,

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Adam Curry: bro, are we starting
our pool? Now? I

1714
01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:19,440
Dave Jones: think I'll have one
shortly. though.

1715
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:22,139
Adam Curry: I love it. I love
it. It's a waste of resources.

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By the way it is. I like wasting
resources. I waste a lot of

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Nathan DOS and Christian harger

1727
01:54:17,759 --> 01:54:20,669
the collaborators as I think
that's music mama music mama

1728
01:54:20,669 --> 01:54:27,959
doing that. Billy Bones 333
friendly tone record 333 33 For

1729
01:54:27,959 --> 01:54:30,209
Ainsley This is great guys. This
is gonna this is gonna make some

1730
01:54:30,209 --> 01:54:34,769
people pay attention 5150 from
the tone record adequate

1731
01:54:34,769 --> 01:54:37,019
catalogue count of artists on
wavelike platform the other

1732
01:54:37,019 --> 01:54:40,019
night it showed over 900
accounts now seems like a big

1733
01:54:40,049 --> 01:54:44,129
recent jump. I don't know it's
possible makes sense than a

1734
01:54:44,129 --> 01:54:48,449
millennial. Hope this helps
cover your doom hole 5000 sets

1735
01:54:48,509 --> 01:54:52,949
does the does tone record with a
row of ducks Kachin show live

1736
01:54:52,949 --> 01:54:57,299
today always a treat Alberto
from rss.com with 1000 SATs with

1737
01:54:57,299 --> 01:55:01,409
a whole bunch of really happy
fun emojis. Alberta

1738
01:55:01,710 --> 01:55:05,100
Dave Jones: rss.com they're lit
now. Yeah, you could do it. Yes.

1739
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:05,460
There. There's

1740
01:55:05,460 --> 01:55:07,140
Adam Curry: Yeah, their
platform. That's another thing,

1741
01:55:07,140 --> 01:55:12,090
ma'am. The live and live stuff
is a future for sure. For sure,

1742
01:55:12,090 --> 01:55:12,450
Nene.

1743
01:55:12,749 --> 01:55:14,699
Dave Jones: I'm gonna get them
on the show here. Yes.

1744
01:55:14,729 --> 01:55:16,829
Adam Curry: We have Andrew
Grumman next week, right?

1745
01:55:17,310 --> 01:55:18,060
Dave Jones: We do. Yep. Yep.

1746
01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:20,310
Adam Curry: excited. I'm
excited. I'm excited to have him

1747
01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:24,180
on. Seventh seventh central Dred
Scott. Dave, he says 3000 days

1748
01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:30,330
weaksauce we really heard that
earlier. 70 777 from Dred Scott

1749
01:55:30,330 --> 01:55:35,040
pre show booths got the bat
signal. And then we have the you

1750
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:41,610
get Eric, our podcast Eric on
your list. You might not have

1751
01:55:41,610 --> 01:55:45,270
came in just before we started.
I'll do it. I'll do it just in

1752
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:53,220
case. 32,768 which is an
interesting number. How do you

1753
01:55:53,220 --> 01:55:55,680
Adam and Dave at least you had a
perfectly logical reason for

1754
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:58,530
your break last week. As for me,
I forgot to hit the record

1755
01:55:58,530 --> 01:56:04,950
button from my our weekly
highlights podcast last week. Or

1756
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:08,880
you only do that once or twice
in your life. Even with my show

1757
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:13,200
notes doc having press record
everywhere, no AI bot overlords.

1758
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:16,650
I've taken over this guy yet.
Man. I'm sorry. I know how that

1759
01:56:16,650 --> 01:56:21,180
hurts. That hurts so much. It's
the worst. It's the worst. And

1760
01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:22,140
that's what I got from the live

1761
01:56:22,140 --> 01:56:25,050
Dave Jones: use. Have you ever
done a whole show? And it's not

1762
01:56:25,050 --> 01:56:25,740
recorded? Yes, I

1763
01:56:25,739 --> 01:56:32,819
Adam Curry: have. Now luckily,
it actually happened in the 1664

1764
01:56:32,819 --> 01:56:35,519
episodes I've done have no
agenda. It's happened probably

1765
01:56:35,519 --> 01:56:40,799
twice. And luckily, there are
many producers out there who

1766
01:56:40,799 --> 01:56:45,539
automatically spin up recording
stream recording devices and and

1767
01:56:45,539 --> 01:56:48,509
actually make a link of that
it's all automated. So if that

1768
01:56:48,509 --> 01:56:51,689
happens again or if I have some
disaster, I can always go to

1769
01:56:51,689 --> 01:56:55,799
that link and and grab the show
from the stream which granted

1770
01:56:56,099 --> 01:56:58,709
has a little different sound
processing once it comes back.

1771
01:56:58,709 --> 01:57:03,359
But it has been a save saving
grace couple of times. Yeah,

1772
01:57:03,359 --> 01:57:07,319
Dave Jones: I think I think I
remember one time a long time

1773
01:57:07,319 --> 01:57:11,159
ago or maybe Darren O'Neill had
to send you a copy or somebody

1774
01:57:11,159 --> 01:57:11,399
liked

1775
01:57:13,170 --> 01:57:16,470
Adam Curry: and back in the day
when I was on wi TB FM Salem

1776
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:19,980
West Virginia at the college
radio station sunrise to sundown

1777
01:57:19,980 --> 01:57:23,400
everybody I did a whole show in
the morning before I realized I

1778
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:24,840
forgot to turn the transmitter
on

1779
01:57:29,939 --> 01:57:37,259
yep cavemen all groggy you know,
college kid came in all groggy

1780
01:57:37,259 --> 01:57:45,869
and like, start the show, Mike.
Oh, no. Oh, no. There's a nice

1781
01:57:45,869 --> 01:57:49,739
row of Doc's. In fact, it's
22,000 to one and 22 from lavish

1782
01:57:49,739 --> 01:57:51,899
who says good meeting. Good
meeting. I thank you. I

1783
01:57:51,899 --> 01:57:54,569
appreciate you. What else you
got on your list there Dave?

1784
01:57:54,779 --> 01:57:58,169
Dave Jones: Oh, I got some paper
towels. I guess I'm these did

1785
01:57:58,169 --> 01:58:01,559
not have time to print these. So
there's gonna be a mix of Okay.

1786
01:58:01,619 --> 01:58:05,579
Have everything in one batch get
Paul Saltzman 2222. Thank you,

1787
01:58:05,579 --> 01:58:13,739
Paul. Oh, get oh, the boys from
Buzzsprout. Tom, Kevin, Alvin.

1788
01:58:14,519 --> 01:58:20,489
All the other guys. John. Eric,
everybody. $1,000

1789
01:58:21,989 --> 01:58:26,669
Adam Curry: Sakala 20 is Blaze
on am Paula. Man, I can't thank

1790
01:58:26,669 --> 01:58:30,239
you guys enough. You are really
keeping it going for us. Thank

1791
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:34,169
you so much. That's big. That's
big as huge, huge. much

1792
01:58:34,170 --> 01:58:38,190
Dave Jones: appreciate it.
Thanks, guys. Send us some fan

1793
01:58:38,190 --> 01:58:43,410
mail goes. away when we have to
send no it doesn't work that

1794
01:58:43,410 --> 01:58:43,560
way.

1795
01:58:43,590 --> 01:58:45,960
Adam Curry: We got to put a
link, we need a link with a fan

1796
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:47,460
mail link and your family link.

1797
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:51,420
Dave Jones: Trevor Satan's
lawyer from Zeno are down in

1798
01:58:51,420 --> 01:58:52,770
Australia $5.

1799
01:58:52,890 --> 01:58:55,140
Adam Curry: I appreciate that
Satan at least is listening to

1800
01:58:55,140 --> 01:58:56,430
us. Yeah,

1801
01:58:56,430 --> 01:59:01,500
Dave Jones: I mean, I just hope
he doesn't sue us. But see, oh,

1802
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:07,020
yeah. Paul airson longtime donor
to the show. He's he said I'm

1803
01:59:07,020 --> 01:59:11,010
just a cynic. No doubt. Just
want to Yeah, sure. Read a

1804
01:59:11,010 --> 01:59:13,470
little bit of he said, I'm just
listening to the 180th for the

1805
01:59:13,500 --> 01:59:16,740
boardroom where you're talking
about local podcasting. Sorry if

1806
01:59:16,740 --> 01:59:20,340
this comes up, but I'm only part
of the way through. He says we

1807
01:59:20,340 --> 01:59:22,680
were just on vacation with a
rental car and wanted to find

1808
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,110
some local stations. So we
hopped on the radio in the car

1809
01:59:25,110 --> 01:59:28,110
and started searching. That was
very easy. And everyone knows

1810
01:59:28,110 --> 01:59:30,360
how to do that. How do we do
this for podcasting? Is there a

1811
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:34,800
geography tag or something
similar that there that that is

1812
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:38,880
there or could be added? Then
podcast apps could use location

1813
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:42,330
or zip code or something like
that to find local bottom line

1814
01:59:42,330 --> 01:59:44,850
thought if local discoveries
easier than the local digital

1815
01:59:44,850 --> 01:59:47,040
distribution may allow for
faster uptick.

1816
01:59:48,270 --> 01:59:51,810
Adam Curry: When we changed the
the geolocation tag to reflect

1817
01:59:51,810 --> 01:59:54,480
that if if that is something
that someone is doing in that

1818
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:56,070
tag? Well,

1819
01:59:56,069 --> 01:59:59,219
Dave Jones: the location tag is
still for what the podcast is

1820
01:59:59,219 --> 02:00:01,589
about. Not What Yes, where it's
I thought I

1821
02:00:01,589 --> 02:00:03,869
Adam Curry: heard James
relenting and saying we should

1822
02:00:03,869 --> 02:00:09,809
change that to have an option to
be where it's from. Who didn't

1823
02:00:09,809 --> 02:00:13,109
hear that? Yeah, yeah. Which I
think is a good idea to make it

1824
02:00:13,109 --> 02:00:17,159
an option. That way, there's no
confusion. It's either about

1825
02:00:17,159 --> 02:00:19,589
where it's about or where it
originates from.

1826
02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:23,730
Dave Jones: Maybe there's maybe
we need an attribute in there

1827
02:00:23,730 --> 02:00:26,280
that will toggle that. Yeah, I

1828
02:00:26,310 --> 02:00:28,920
Adam Curry: think that's what he
was talking about. Okay, there

1829
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:31,620
may be there may be a GitHub
discussion about this.

1830
02:00:32,220 --> 02:00:36,630
Dave Jones: No, I'm gonna go
look. Yeah. Michael Gagan $5

1831
02:00:36,630 --> 02:00:40,110
Thank you, Michael. Appreciate
that. Charles current $5 Thank

1832
02:00:40,110 --> 02:00:44,370
you, Charles. We got a new
monthly subscriber for $5 a

1833
02:00:44,370 --> 02:00:49,920
month Jorge Hernandez. Thank
you. Appreciate that. We've got

1834
02:00:49,950 --> 02:00:55,890
Christopher reamer $10 The Chris
Cohen glotzbach $5 James

1835
02:00:55,890 --> 02:01:02,520
Sullivan. $10. Jordan Dunnville
$10 drips got $15 Thank you,

1836
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:08,970
Joy. Thank you. Michael.
Kimmerer $5.33 Pedro gun compass

1837
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:13,650
$5 And that's all of our papers.
Now. We got some boosts. See?

1838
02:01:15,780 --> 02:01:22,140
Here's some boosts. It sounds a
boost. Chat F 33 333. That's a

1839
02:01:22,140 --> 02:01:25,740
big and three shout and he says
great discussion on bringing

1840
02:01:25,740 --> 02:01:32,370
podcasting back to his roots. We
try it we do try Sam Sethi. This

1841
02:01:32,370 --> 02:01:36,750
is from May the 18th 2625
through true fans he says true

1842
02:01:36,750 --> 02:01:40,770
fan support from Episode 180
serial churn Okay, so that it

1843
02:01:40,770 --> 02:01:41,880
must be an automated message.

1844
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:46,950
Adam Curry: No, that's that's
that is auto message his and it

1845
02:01:46,950 --> 02:01:50,760
shows up here my helipad as well
so whether he listens to it or

1846
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:55,230
not the way true fans works is
it automatically sends a payment

1847
02:01:55,230 --> 02:01:58,230
when an episode drops that
you've set up auto payments for

1848
02:01:59,010 --> 02:01:59,520
with

1849
02:01:59,550 --> 02:02:02,430
Dave Jones: with a message
saying yes like the automated

1850
02:02:02,430 --> 02:02:03,390
boost. Yeah, cool. Cool.

1851
02:02:03,420 --> 02:02:05,040
Adam Curry: That's very cool.
Yeah.

1852
02:02:06,180 --> 02:02:10,080
Dave Jones: Anonymous podcast
guru users. 5000 SATs do podcast

1853
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:13,830
guru he says I so love where all
this is headed. This is what

1854
02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:16,950
gets me firing on all cylinders
forward motion, progress and

1855
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:20,040
dreaming all while recognizing
the reality of just how fast

1856
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:23,100
this is all materializing. Plus,
Adam is speaking my language

1857
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:24,210
today. NanHu NanHu.

1858
02:02:25,470 --> 02:02:27,870
Adam Curry: Progress is a
process.

1859
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:34,140
Dave Jones: Gene been 5000 says
to cast Matic gene says y'all

1860
02:02:34,140 --> 02:02:37,230
are spot on podcasting is
perfect for local. I think

1861
02:02:37,230 --> 02:02:40,140
that's one reason it works so
well for church sermon podcasts

1862
02:02:40,140 --> 02:02:43,620
like the one I put out for my
church called encouraged and

1863
02:02:43,620 --> 02:02:47,250
emboldened at E does CBN
podcast.org.

1864
02:02:47,310 --> 02:02:51,420
Adam Curry: Nice. Yep. I believe
in that. Brian

1865
02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:54,390
Dave Jones: Ensminger 1701
That's what you call a Star Trek

1866
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:56,790
boosts. He says, Wow, the Google
AI clip

1867
02:02:56,789 --> 02:03:00,689
Adam Curry: was hilarious. I
don't remember what was it? That

1868
02:03:00,689 --> 02:03:05,249
Dave Jones: was two weeks ago. I
don't remember either. 44 or 44

1869
02:03:05,249 --> 02:03:12,239
sets through from dwelve he's
part of the social cast pod crew

1870
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:15,989
Ah yes. Through cast Matic he
says talking about scams is a

1871
02:03:15,989 --> 02:03:19,229
good time to promote one of my
favorite listens darknet diaries

1872
02:03:19,229 --> 02:03:21,359
by Jack reciter Oh, yeah.

1873
02:03:22,500 --> 02:03:23,250
Adam Curry: Show Yeah.

1874
02:03:24,270 --> 02:03:27,630
Dave Jones: Jean been 2222
through cast ematic he says I

1875
02:03:27,630 --> 02:03:31,230
absolutely love the idea of
titles and images for seasons.

1876
02:03:31,980 --> 02:03:36,240
Cool. Yep, we're gonna do this.
Yes, yes. Alan see Paul striper

1877
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:39,900
boosts 7777. To fountain he says
this is a deep dive into the

1878
02:03:39,900 --> 02:03:42,810
nature of intellectual property
in the way it will work in this

1879
02:03:42,810 --> 02:03:43,530
new system.

1880
02:03:44,189 --> 02:03:46,769
Adam Curry: We tried that too.
Yeah. Everything's coming

1881
02:03:46,769 --> 02:03:49,589
together it but progress is a
process.

1882
02:03:51,090 --> 02:03:55,500
Dave Jones: In the delimiter,
comic strip blogger 23,000 sets

1883
02:03:56,700 --> 02:04:01,560
says it was a long one. It says
Howdy, Dave and Adam. I'd like

1884
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:05,040
to again recommend a podcast by
two Texans. Been the

1885
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:08,550
cybersecurity expert in gene the
corporate efficiency expert, the

1886
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:12,510
good old boys. They talk about
fun stuff, quote from the latest

1887
02:04:12,510 --> 02:04:16,830
episode. Gene. I really wish
they'd focus on some Linux stuff

1888
02:04:16,830 --> 02:04:21,000
but they haven't done that yet.
Then Hey, you know, it's the

1889
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:24,690
year of Linux. This is the
official year of Linux. Find

1890
02:04:24,690 --> 02:04:32,430
their podcast at www was that a
transcript? By now what it

1891
02:04:32,430 --> 02:04:34,590
really reels you in and makes
you want to listen to the show.

1892
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:40,230
Find their podcast@www.ge Just
two good old boys.com or search

1893
02:04:40,230 --> 02:04:45,120
for it in podcasting 2.0 apps to
use their transcript yo CSB.

1894
02:04:45,150 --> 02:04:46,080
Adam Curry: Yo,

1895
02:04:46,260 --> 02:04:48,150
Dave Jones: yo Thank you CSB.
Yeah, brother,

1896
02:04:48,149 --> 02:04:52,499
Adam Curry: thank you. Help.
He's mad when we slag off AI.

1897
02:04:54,299 --> 02:04:58,649
Believer, he's a believer. He's
a believer in AI. And he'll

1898
02:04:58,650 --> 02:05:01,080
Dave Jones: be a believer in it
in take yours.

1899
02:05:03,689 --> 02:05:06,419
Adam Curry: Well, I think we
were jam packed with a board

1900
02:05:06,419 --> 02:05:10,049
meeting. Let's build some
wallets. Everybody. Yes, let's

1901
02:05:10,049 --> 02:05:13,229
come up with some stuff that
we'll be looking at when we see

1902
02:05:13,229 --> 02:05:16,949
if we can offer some some ideas
and solutions. And if you have

1903
02:05:16,949 --> 02:05:20,339
them, let us know if there's
anything out there, so we can

1904
02:05:20,339 --> 02:05:24,269
keep this going. I think it's a
good idea. It does work. It does

1905
02:05:24,299 --> 02:05:27,179
work. You see it right here,
right here on this program.

1906
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:29,520
Dave Jones: I'll send that way
late. Just send me an email

1907
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,180
saying there's a duplicate feed
for Ainsley that

1908
02:05:33,180 --> 02:05:36,390
Adam Curry: may the I may have
done that. Did you? Okay, I

1909
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:38,820
might have but the question is,
which one do we delete?

1910
02:05:40,050 --> 02:05:43,290
Dave Jones: He's shows me the
one to delete. I'll take care of

1911
02:05:43,290 --> 02:05:43,800
it. But

1912
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:46,590
Adam Curry: will that screw up
the boost that we've done here

1913
02:05:46,590 --> 02:05:47,460
on the show?

1914
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:51,210
Dave Jones: No, no, I don't
think so. Well screw up

1915
02:05:51,210 --> 02:05:53,820
Adam Curry: my value time split
that I'm going to put in after

1916
02:05:53,820 --> 02:05:58,650
the fact. No, no, no, because it
points to the feed right? Yeah.

1917
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:01,920
Okay. All right. You'll take
care of it. Again. Yeah, I think

1918
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:04,680
it was my fault because I needed
to grab the track with the value

1919
02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:08,370
time split stuff. And it wasn't
in there yet. And I didn't know

1920
02:06:08,370 --> 02:06:11,370
if they were going to put it in
on time. So I think I dropped

1921
02:06:11,370 --> 02:06:13,230
it. I dropped it. I'm sorry.
Both of these.

1922
02:06:13,259 --> 02:06:14,819
Dave Jones: They both did. They
have the same good so they

1923
02:06:14,819 --> 02:06:15,329
should okay,

1924
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:17,790
Adam Curry: I duped it. I'm
sorry. I created a dupe I try

1925
02:06:17,790 --> 02:06:24,120
not to do the power of the good.
Let's have a great weekend

1926
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:27,480
Brother Dave. And thank you
everybody in the boardroom.

1927
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:30,510
We'll be back next week Friday
podcast 2.0.

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