Episode 191: We Love Wonky

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Adam Curry: Podcasting 2.0 for
August 30, 2024, episode 191, we

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love wonky. Hello everybody.
It's Friday. Once again. What a

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board meeting we have planned
for you. Just take a look at

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your handouts. We have quite the
agenda, because this is where we

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discuss all things podcasting,
all that has been, all that

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isn't all that ever will be.
This is the only place you need

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to be. Of course, it's best to
be hanging on the boardroom

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live. We are the only boardroom
that does non director outreach

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during weekdays. I'm Adam curry
here in the heart of the Texas

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Hill Country and Alabama, the
man who will make up to $100

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million with this podcast, say
hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only deposit,
Mr. Dave Jones,

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Dave Jones: that's only if I
meet all my metrics, your

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Adam Curry: KPIs, your metrics.
You gotta do a couple live

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shows. We got your merch. Your
merch is on there. Your merch.

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My listener,

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Dave Jones: listener, aggregate
or acquisition targets, yes, oh,

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mats, my lats. I'm doing my
lats. Yes. Did

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Adam Curry: you get your GM?

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Dave Jones: What is my
guaranteed minimum?

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Adam Curry: Guarantee minimum?
Yes, yes, it'll give you the

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guaranteed minimum.

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Dave Jones: I'm struggling with
the rodecaster here.

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Unknown: I've got to Oh no.

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Dave Jones: I need See, I need
you. I need you super loud in my

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headphones, okay, but I don't
want myself super business.

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That's horrible. Never do that
again.

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Adam Curry: What's going on?
Well, am I coming in on a

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channel? So if I crank Jack my
channel, man, Jack my channel,

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see what's gonna make

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Dave Jones: it's already jacked.
It'll go and so if I crank my

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headphone volume up, then I hear
myself really loud, really loud,

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huh? I need you. Well, okay, so

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Adam Curry: what the the fader
that's open that has me, right?

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That's the chat channel. Okay,
now, now press the button above

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it, the little rubber button
left tech support, yes, yes, and

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press the rubber button and you
see their level

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Dave Jones: and negative 12.
DBs, okay,

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Adam Curry: well, I should never
be at negative 12. I mean, if

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anything, I should be at 11 plus
11. Okay, all right, we're good.

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How is that? Is it working,
working, working, working,

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working, working, working,
working,

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Dave Jones: did that work that
it sounds amazing. Okay, you're

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Adam Curry: welcome. Much.
You're welcome. You can now

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boost me, boost me for that live
tech support. And

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Dave Jones: so I can say I can
turn myself, Oh, that's so much

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better. Yay, yay. You're at par.
Now you're a

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Adam Curry: par. Oh, good. Well,
you're

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Unknown: at 00, dog

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Adam Curry: biscuits, beautiful.
Yeah, I saw two stories this

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week, and you know, it's this
new marketing, which is, oh,

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shocker, it's lying. The Kelsey
brothers mega deal cements new

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era for podcasts. What new era?
They've got a guaranteed

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minimum, and they can make up
to, up to, up to, this is all

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based on advertising. I'm sure
they're getting a lot of money

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and guaranteed minimum, but
that's going to be limited. This

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is all marketing, and it gets
everyone all jacked. I still

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have a shot. I have a shot at
the Kelsey brothers money. Yeah?

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Sure you do. Yeah. Now I will be
the first to say that there is

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a, most of the TV money that
goes into streaming is all NFL

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in America. I mean, there is so
much money going into NFL. It's

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unbelievable

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Dave Jones: sports in general, I
mean, that's the only thing that

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still makes any money. But

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Adam Curry: I was hearing, I was
hearing a whole report on CNBC

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the other day as I was driving
back from San Antonio to get my

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real ID driver's license San
Antonio, San Anton, and the

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league is now allowing some
teams to take private equity

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money, which has been, really,
yeah, that it's never been

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allowed before. So, you know,
people are going to sell is

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billions of dollars will be
made. Private

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Dave Jones: equity is just their
their lights out, right? I mean,

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they just been gobbling up
everything they can. They're so

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desperate for money since the
since rates went up. I mean,

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they're just trying to, they're
buying, they're buying stuff

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that just doesn't make any
sense. Now, in

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Adam Curry: fact, there's a lot
of people that say that the next

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crash could come from private
equity money.

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Dave Jones: It would not
surprise me. Yeah, they're so

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desperate for a return. Hey, is
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Adam Curry: you crackling? Or is
that me? I hope it's not me. No,

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Dave Jones: that you may have
heard me have my mouth full with

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no,

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Adam Curry: no, no, I'm hearing
something weird coming through

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the channel. Sometimes the
rodecaster just takes a nutty

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it's happened about four times,
and then you have to reboot the

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whole thing. You see. Next, I'm
hearing it now.

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Dave Jones: The next time it
happens, it's toast. It's just,

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it's not coming back. No,

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Adam Curry: don't I think it's
me, Dave, let me see 1212 I

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might have to let me see one two
bounce it. Well, no, it's only,

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it's only when you're talking
maybe it's yours. Is it mine?

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You want to do a simultaneous
reboot,

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Dave Jones: let's double bounce.
Okay,

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Adam Curry: hold on. I'm gonna
stop, and we're back. Man, sorry

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about that. Yeah, it happened.
This is now the fifth time. I'll

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keep track of it.

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Dave Jones: Your, your your
road. I hope you have a backup

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road caster in the freezer,
because this thing's going it's,

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it's gonna die. No,

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Adam Curry: no, I will have the
duo which, which is in the road

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kit, which I have to test
tomorrow because we're leaving

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Monday for my birthday trip to
Mexico. That's right, but we

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will be doing shows, so it's not
really vacation. And you know, I

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had, I gave my audio sigma pod
mobile to to Jimmy and Annette,

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and because they wanted to, like
a backpack studio. And even

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though, you know, the levels
were too hot and they're the

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room what, you know, they just
did it like basing the kitchen,

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so sound is bouncing off
everywhere. They got slap

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everywhere. But I gotta tell you
that the processing on that

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thing is better than the
rodecaster, especially the noise

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gate. It is beautiful. Why'd

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Dave Jones: you give it away? I
thought you needed something to

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test the curry one with. Well,

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Adam Curry: he's going to be my
he is my beta tester, so he's

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going to test it, okay? And also
he needs it because he's got a

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duo at the church, and they
built a studio. But, you know,

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you know, they travel, and so
he's a kid, so, but it amount, I

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kidded him out. Yes, indeed. So
anyway, we were talking about

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that. What are you drinking?
Lacroix pure. Oh, yes. Very

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nice. So I think all these mega
deals, you know, it's, it gets

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everybody all excited, but it's,
you know, especially, I mean,

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there's, doesn't seem very
likely that Amazon really gave

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them $100 million and said, Good
luck to you. There's

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Dave Jones: so many ways to
announce $100 million deal

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without actually spending any
money whatsoever.

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Adam Curry: Well, I just did
that. You will make up to up to

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$100 million with this podcast,
is obvious. And the one that was

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that was really a piece of, you
know, as far as I'm concerned,

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propaganda, which came in
directly through Bloomberg, was

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pods are pod is dead. What is
that? Oh, you didn't see this

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article that was all over the
social podcasting evolved away

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from Apple and towards YouTube.
Oh yes, yes, YouTube. YouTube

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didn't even show up to Podcast
Movement, as far as I know, or

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barely, they're giving up
people, trust me on this,

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YouTube made their push. They've
got to tighten the belt. It's

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all AI. There's, there's no
money in podcasting for them.

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Dave Jones: Did you see the NPR
Joy czar? Joy czar? Yes. Well, I

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have a czar of joy no, yes.

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Adam Curry: Where would I find
said czar?

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Dave Jones: Uh, it's a Bloomberg
story.

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Adam Curry: Bloomberg can't, you
know, so they have a so they

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can't afford a podcasting crew,
but they hired a joy czar.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, this was in,

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Adam Curry: oh, you're right.
Here it is, National Public

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Radio confronts election season
with a joy czar.

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Dave Jones: And this is from,
evidently, an internal memo

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leaked over to Ashley Carmen,
and she says, This is dumb. So,

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so here's the, you know, the
thing about NPR is we wondered,

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you know, allowed a while back,
like, why? What's their

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strategy? Yeah, their strategy
is clear. Is clearly it's gone

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from try to grow your audience
more diverse, to keep the

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audience that you have at all
costs. This is what this this is

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a separate memo obtained by
Bloomberg and sent this week

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from Edith Chapin, Acting Chief
Content Officer, suggests NPR is

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making a concentrated effort to
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listener base, older
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but ensure the people they
already reach Do not leave. This

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is a quote from the memo. From
the internal memo more than two

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this is the quote, more than two
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is over 45 but for more than
five years, the only age

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demographic that has grown in
that and that audience are the

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over 65

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Adam Curry: of course, radio's
dying. We are that's big secret

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joys. All

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Dave Jones: this supports our
broader goal to better

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understand. And serve the
curious, an audience that

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reflects the full diversity of
America and where we see

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enormous potential for growth
across platforms that we can't

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seem to achieve. Unbelievable. I
mean, the joy this did, the joys

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are saying thing, I think, like,
because what they tried to, you

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know, they in at a time when NPR
is being, is, just, is loot is

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hemorrhaging audience, yes, and,
and the and even, according to

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The New York Times comment
section, it's because it's so,

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you know, left leaning, clearly
partisan, that they can't that,

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that even the left listeners
don't even find it interesting

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anymore.

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Adam Curry: If you're, if you're
able to alienate the left, then

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you've really screwed the push.
I mean

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Dave Jones: that, according to
that story in The New York

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Times, that's basically the
issue there. They've gotten so

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hyper left partisan, and they've
they've painted themselves into

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a corner. Now, because they
don't, they've alienated so much

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of the rest of their potential
audience that all they have left

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is just sort of like this very
political United States

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political left, and so now they
have to do things like a point

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of joys. Are taking a term out
of the Democratic nominee

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campaign in order to try to hold
on to that last sliver of

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audience they have when you get
to that point, it doesn't matter

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if you're a left leaning outlet
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whatever, if you paint yourself
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ideological corner, that way,
you're going to become a slave

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to one small section of
audience, and you are screwed.

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Adam Curry: So this is the first
big move, I guess, by the new

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CEO, Catherine Meyer.

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Dave Jones: I guess strong move.
Guess very strong.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Great move,
Kate Katie, I'll just call it

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Katie Katie. So the couple of
interesting things going on

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since our last board meeting, I
do have some reports. Did

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everyone get the

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Dave Jones: handouts I've got
mine. Okay?

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Unknown: I have the power with
the power with me to just take

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one off the top and pass it on

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Adam Curry: the head. Two calls.
I'll start with the Zebedee call

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I had today.

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Dave Jones: Yes, the call that I
desperately wanted to attend but

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could not, because I had a
meeting. Well, that's okay.

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Adam Curry: It was, it was a
short, you know, we had half an

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hour planned, and Katie, who,
who is the Zebedee lady, you

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recall the one that you met at
Ben's a Bitcoin who is who

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listens to this podcast, I might
point out. So she got her call

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out. Hey, Katie, she also hit me
with an in the morning, which

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was like, whoa, okay. Oh, wow,
that's strong. Chief Technology

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Dave Jones: Zebedee, also not
the CEO of NPR.

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Adam Curry: No Ben the CTO and
Andre the CSO, which I think is

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Chief strategic officer,
Strategy Officer, Chief Safety.

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No, no, he's not safety. No, he
was. He seemed more like a

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strategy guy and very familiar
with what we're doing, of

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course, because Zebedee is the
is the wallet provider for

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fountain and for Wave Lake and
very friendly, friendly group.

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Nice call. We missed you dearly.
I think I represented well

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enough they're they're very
familiar with what we're doing.

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Understand. They say, how can we
help? Well, when someone says

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that to me, I'm just like, I
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Dave Jones: I've been on so many
of these calls with you. Well,

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buddy says, How can we help? Let
me get my let me get my. Hold

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Adam Curry: hold on. Let's get
my remarkable right. Here, I

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have some notes.

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Dave Jones: I will tell you
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Adam Curry: I did, and I said,
Hey, what we really need is we

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need an API for the podcast apps
to be able to talk to so that we

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can do value for value I talked
about. And it turns out it's

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actually interesting. They had,
they had created a whole key

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send infrastructure and their
API, which they never used. And

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when fountain came along, they
were like, Oh, crap. Well, yeah,

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so Ben was like, you know, the
tech guy is, like, I was so

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happy with that. So we had a
nice chat. I explained what

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we're looking for, and now the
benefit of they, basically,

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their main business is games.
So, you know, from in game

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money, etc, for buying stuff and
selling stuff, and so they have

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MT, eyes. MTLS, sorry, I gotta
get the acronyms down. NTL,

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Dave Jones: wait, wait, let me,
let me guess what that means.

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MTL, minimum transaction limit,
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Adam Curry: even close, money
transmitter license, yeah. Ah,

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so they have money transmitter
licenses, and so, you know what?

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I went for the full jugular. I
said, what I really want is I

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want an API so every podcast app
can say, Hey, you want a wallet.

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Click here and that, and it
creates a wallet right there for

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you don't have to go anywhere.
Yeah. And they said, Well, we

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have that. That is, in fact,
what fountain and what wave Lake

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have. Now, what's interesting, I
learned a little bit about their

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business. In order to fulfill
their to, you know, adhere to

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their MTL, KYC, lmnops, they
have to the minute you sign up

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through. So if you create a
wallet on fountain or on wave

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Lake, they immediately, so you
hit their API, and there's a

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whole bunch of stuff that
happens. They're checking the IP

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address of the person who signed
up. Basically, they're trying to

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find, find out if the person who
just created a wallet is a bad

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guy, a terror a tourist, a
tourist, or a money loaner or

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something like that, okay, and,
and so they actually offer that

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as a service.

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Dave Jones: And terrorism
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Adam Curry: as a service.
Terrorism, task, terrorism as a

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service? Yes, they I gotta write
that down. Task, but that, you

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know, they have a pretty hefty
fee for that on a monthly basis,

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which is $500 to which I said,
that's fantastic. 99.9% of our

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app developers cannot afford
that. No, there's no way. No, I

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said that. There's no way. And I
said, You know what we had with

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Albie, and before that, lmpay,
and before that, even with

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Sphinx, and the stuff that we've
had has been, you know,

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basically, take a piece of the
transaction. The listeners seem

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to be okay with it. They just
see it as a wallet fee. It's not

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a big deal. But they explained
to me in more detail than I

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should probably divulge, there's
a lot of stuff that goes on to

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make sure you're not a terrorist
as a service. Yeah, and I

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appreciate that. Then they said,
Well, how about this? Would it

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be okay if people created a
wallet on Zebedee, and then

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connected that to their podcast
app. I said, that would be fine.

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I said, Well, we can do
significantly. And, you know,

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they the $20 a month came out,
which, you know, even that may

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be steep for some of our app
devs, but shit, I'll give you

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$20 a month to keep right, I
will. And what, what Ben

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proposed was, how about OAuth
two so you can connect your

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Zebedee wallet through like, you
know, like you're logging with

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Gmail or something like that.
And I said, that sounds pretty

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good. I think that's most people
are comfortable. In fact, I

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think people even more
comfortable knowing that, you

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know, if you go, Oh, I connected
through my Gmail. Okay, you

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know, I think people are
comfortable with that. You do

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that all the time, log in with
Gmail or login with something

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else. And so what they propose
is they will send us a document

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with these different tiers that
we can then share with with the

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group and and they'll open it up
for us. They'll open up for

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business.

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Dave Jones: Now, is this
something that they're having to

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create, or is this something
they already have? I

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Adam Curry: think I'm I think
they already have the OAuth two,

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okay, yeah, which I'm like,
Okay. I mean, that is does. And

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I just pretend that I knew what
I was talking about. Well, that

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sounds great. And what would you
have said, Dave in the meeting?

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I'm

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Dave Jones: just thinking this
through because so Oscar is

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essentially doing the same. He's
going to do a demo of he emailed

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us about it this morning. He's
gonna do a demo of the fountain.

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Excuse me, of strike,

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Adam Curry: just as if I can
just say as a side, side note,

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okay, boardroom, I hear you all
right. It was like, Well, you

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shouldn't do a Gmail, that's how
they get you. But hey, we just,

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we're just trying to move this
forward, and if and everybody

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should still be able to be
sovereign and do whatever you

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want, fact of the matter is,
people feel very comfortable

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logging in with Gmail. In fact,
I do it sometime. I have a Gmail

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account just for that chat, GPT.
Log in with Gmail. I don't use

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it for anything else. So, you
know, it's like, Come on, we

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need to move this forward. And
if we're all going to get stuck

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on and it's not just Gmail, you
can log in with other things

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too. OAuth two, it's OAuth two.

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Dave Jones: Sorry, so signing up
so you would get you would go

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sign up for a wallet, and you
can connect your app. To that,

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yeah, through, through. So, you
know, the thing that Oscar is

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building is a demo is doing that
exact thing with,

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Adam Curry: with strike. Strike,
yeah, I told them. And

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Dave Jones: so, if you like, it
would be nice, oh, basically an

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OAuth connection to strike. What
would be, you know, if there was

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a standardized connection so you
could switch around, yeah? So,

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like, you know, I'm so, I'm
imagining, you know, cast O

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Matic, right? If cast O Matic
says, you know, says, Okay,

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well, you want to do one,
connect your lightning wallet

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and say, Yeah, this is, well,
okay, which one you want strike,

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Adam Curry: Zebedee, right,
right, right, right, right.

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Nice. You

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Dave Jones: know, in it, that's
so it'll be interesting to see

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what Z like, what Zebedee thing
looks like, and then compare

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that to what strikes. Thing
strikes, yeah, looks like. And

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then we could make it simple.
Well, yeah, like, I'm

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considering, you know, I'm I'm
thinking that I could take what

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those things look like and sort
of like, put it into a document

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that says, the OAuth, the OAuth
thing should be the same. That's

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standard. But then once you get
the token, the OAuth token, the

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API language you're speaking
with the wallet, could be

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different. So then, right, okay,
here's, here's sort of like a

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abstraction layer document. This
is okay. I want it. What do you

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want to do? You want to send a
transaction? Do you want to load

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a wallet? Do you want to do?
Here's what these things are.

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That way the ad developers can
sit, can know. Okay, I'm talking

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to strike. I need to do this.
Ebony, I need to do this. What

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Adam Curry: really made me smile
is that they so again, they're

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they've been doing games mainly,
but they have an internal

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strategy for value, for value,
for as many things as possible.

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So I can see this being
connected to posts, to, you

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know, activity, pub, all kinds
of things. Yeah, and I think

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that's good. I like that they're
doing that. I think that's

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really good. It was a very fun,
happy call, very nice people.

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Dave Jones: So the $20 is, like,
that's, that's what is. Where

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does that mean? Like, where does
that go to them? No, I mean,

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yeah. Well, to charity,

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Adam Curry: yeah. But, well,
it's, it's, you know, it's, it's

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still like, does

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Dave Jones: that mean, does that
mean caste O Matic has to pay

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$20 a month or something

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Adam Curry: every No, no, no,
no. Just cast O Matic, just

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customatic for some sort of

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Dave Jones: developer license,
yeah.

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Adam Curry: And of course, they
have to, you know, you the

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developer, has to go through a
very brief but obvious check,

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you know, okay, you're a doctor.
You prescribe herbs, you do a

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podcast app on Friday. Okay,
you're Italian. Oh, hold on a

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second. Check the Italian
database out the car, yeah. So

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there's some kind of check
there, which they have to do for

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the money transmitter license.
It's just a fact of life, if, if

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we want to, you know, if you
want to complete, what do they

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call they call it.

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Unknown: They said they had a
word for it. Let me look at my

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notes here. They called it a

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Adam Curry: embedded wallet. No,
that's different, hosted Wallet.

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So embedded wallet is what
Fountain has, and that's your

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and what wave lake. I haven't
done anything with Wave lake,

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but you know where, basically
wave Lake says, Here's your

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wallet. You've done it all
within wave lake, or within

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within fountain. That's your
$500 a month. And I said, I

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literally used Franco as an
example. Said, Franco prescribes

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herbs to people during the day,
and he does, he does an app, an

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app on the weekends, says, you
know, he has, doesn't have $500

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a month, you know? And they
understand $500 a month, and

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they say, well, but you know, we
can do it this way, so you can

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link an already existing Zebedee
account. I said, that's fine,

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you know? It's just, it's a
hurdle, but it's it. That's

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fine. We can do that. But the
feeling I get from them is that

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they this internal strategy.
Once they can show that, that it

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has legs, they can bring that
down and do more. And, you know?

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And it's all, it's all about
scale, obviously,

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Dave Jones: yeah, I mean, I
mean, shoot, I would, I would

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front the 20 bucks a month.
That's

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Adam Curry: what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. You got

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a problem, yeah, here, Adam,
here, curry cash. There you go.

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Yeah, exactly, right off the
bat,

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Dave Jones: yeah. Franco, you
know, Mitch. I mean, I'll be

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glad to do that as I think this
is, this is an interesting this

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actually is turning out pretty
interesting, because which what

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it sounds like, and we're
talking, we have a call with

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light Spark as well there, um,
yes, in a couple of weeks, two

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weeks or so. Yeah, two weeks or
so. And, oh. We're, you know,

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we'll obviously be talking to
them about the same thing. So

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which, what we could end up with
is an ecosystem where you have,

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Adam Curry: um, roll your own,
Albie,

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Dave Jones: yeah, Albie, which
is becoming roll your own, you

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hook to your own node, yep. Then
you have Zebedee is going to

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pick up the Zebedee crowd, which
is already has, like, a game, a

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gamer activities, which, by

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Adam Curry: the way, talk about
promotion, like, here's all,

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hello Zebedee gamers, or what,
you know, I'm sure they have

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outreach to their customers.
Here's all the podcasts, yeah,

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here's all the podcasts. And I
committed to them because they

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were, you know, they were
clearly like, you know, we want

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to talk about this. You're
looking at him, you're looking

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at the guy. I will promote the
heck out of this. You kidding

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me? That's my job. And

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Dave Jones: then, and then you
have, sort of the you have this

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other crowd, which is new
podcast listeners that are not

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tied to that, that will never
run their own node, because

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that's ridiculous in their eyes,
and they don't have any

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experience with this. They could
connect a strike wallet like you

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could say, hey, go get a strike
wallet. Yep. Can you download

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the app, connect your strike
wallet, and you're good there,

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and then, you know, whatever
light support you, whatever

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light spark says, I mean, this
actually could end up being a

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much better place where you
have, where it's sort of

430
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:39,979
covering all these different SEC
segments of of potential, you

431
00:26:39,979 --> 00:26:41,799
know, V for V onboarding stuff.

432
00:26:42,099 --> 00:26:43,599
Unknown: Yeah, totally.

433
00:26:44,619 --> 00:26:46,959
Dave Jones: This is pretty
exciting. I was kind of, I mean,

434
00:26:46,959 --> 00:26:49,119
I've been down in the dumps
about this stuff. For you've

435
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,439
been very dumpy, dear, and just
dumping everywhere. I mean, it's

436
00:26:53,439 --> 00:26:57,879
like, I know I'm bringing
everybody down and but I have, I

437
00:26:57,879 --> 00:27:03,059
mean, I've been like, just like,
it's not, it's more of been just

438
00:27:03,059 --> 00:27:11,219
sort of like tired. Felt like we
it felt like we already cut, we

439
00:27:11,219 --> 00:27:13,799
covered this ground, and then we
got pushed back, and now we're

440
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:17,159
having to, like, retake the
bridge again. Yes, I know, I

441
00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:21,859
know, once more into the breach
type thing. And so it kind of

442
00:27:21,859 --> 00:27:23,179
was just kind of had me, like,

443
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:27,320
Unknown: tired, I understand,
but, but it, I

444
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,640
Dave Jones: think it actually
may end up being being better, a

445
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,260
better, more healthy ecosystem
now,

446
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,600
Adam Curry: well, obviously, you
know, the initial idea that you

447
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,740
and I had behind this was For
you know, you want to be

448
00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:45,940
resistance against de
platforming, right? Clearly,

449
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:50,740
this is not it, but it's still
open for anybody to use their

450
00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:51,280
own node,

451
00:27:52,059 --> 00:27:54,399
Dave Jones: yeah, see that in
you net, you always have that

452
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:59,499
option. So that part solved,
right? I mean, if that ever

453
00:27:59,499 --> 00:28:03,779
really, if the de platforming
actually was an issue that hit

454
00:28:03,779 --> 00:28:07,259
you, just spin back up with your
own node and you're done

455
00:28:07,259 --> 00:28:07,919
exactly,

456
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,660
Adam Curry: exactly. So I feel
bullish. And you know what? I

457
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:17,100
can't say it enough. Nice team.
Nice team. No, really it was. I

458
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,420
was like, wow, these are really
cool, nice people. You know, I

459
00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:24,020
have a strong aversion towards
corporate douchebags. And there

460
00:28:24,020 --> 00:28:26,240
was none of that, none of that.
Well,

461
00:28:26,239 --> 00:28:29,299
Dave Jones: me Katie was delight
at the at the party. Oh, she's,

462
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:30,799
yeah,

463
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,220
Adam Curry: she's the outreach,
uh, Zebedee, outreach. So she I

464
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:37,760
said, you reached out, right?
Yeah, she did, yeah. And she

465
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,280
said, Thanks for the call out on
the show. We tracked you down.

466
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,800
We got you. That's right, that's
right. She's now an honorary

467
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,300
board member. So then I had
another call this week with uh

468
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,820
libsyn's own Rob Walsh.

469
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,340
Dave Jones: You have, you've
been pounding the pavement this

470
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:55,720
week, doing the work, as I

471
00:28:55,719 --> 00:28:59,259
Adam Curry: said, as I said in
the opening, we do non director

472
00:28:59,259 --> 00:29:00,599
outreach during weekdays.

473
00:29:02,819 --> 00:29:07,139
Dave Jones: Non director, you
know, so much corporate space is

474
00:29:07,139 --> 00:29:07,799
funny. It's

475
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,559
Adam Curry: sad, really, when
you think about it, it's sad.

476
00:29:11,579 --> 00:29:12,899
You want a little report?

477
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,319
Dave Jones: I would love a Walsh
report. Yeah, wow.

478
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:27,260
Adam Curry: The Walsh report.
Yes. So this was a little

479
00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:31,760
backstory on the Libsyn podcast.
What's that podcast? Called the

480
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,900
Libsyn podcast?

481
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:34,100
Dave Jones: It's called,

482
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:40,099
Unknown: this is the fee, the
hold on the feed. All right,

483
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:42,339
Dave Jones: that thing that's
that's literally the intro, but

484
00:29:42,339 --> 00:29:44,979
there's not, I don't have enough
reverb. Can you give reverb on

485
00:29:44,979 --> 00:29:46,059
the duo? Does it have

486
00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:48,760
Adam Curry: read? Yeah, it has
reverb. But I What's sad about

487
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,720
the the rodecasters, I can't put
reverb on anything but mics. I

488
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960
can't so I can't put it on you.
Because, man, what I love to

489
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,220
make you sound like that.

490
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,859
Dave Jones: You can't do that.
Yeah. Where's, where's my

491
00:30:01,859 --> 00:30:02,519
reverb?

492
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,800
Adam Curry: Well, you got, it's
under Effects, and you got to

493
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,820
set it up. And,

494
00:30:06,239 --> 00:30:08,699
Dave Jones: no, that sucks. I
don't have time for that. You

495
00:30:08,699 --> 00:30:13,799
really don't. That means don't
do it. No.

496
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:21,500
Adam Curry: So this was in
response to Rob on the feed

497
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:28,580
saying that podcasting 2.0 was
too much stick, not enough

498
00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:32,240
carrot. Maybe it was all stick,
no carrot. I don't remember

499
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,780
exactly.

500
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,740
Dave Jones: More more carrot
less stick. Yeah, more

501
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:40,420
Adam Curry: carrot less stick.
So we get on the phone, and he

502
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:46,480
came in hot. Oh, he came in hot.
Yeah, mother, not quite that

503
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,600
hot, but he came in pretty hot.
He was very upset about the

504
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,540
blatant lies we had told on the
show, on in the board meeting.

505
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,760
Oh, great that he does
understand the tags. And he was

506
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:05,160
very adamant. Said our cap table
is okay. We got rid of the

507
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Chinese and and we are growing.
We're doing fine. I say, you

508
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,460
know, good, you know, Rob, I'm
exactly so that's great. So, you

509
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:18,900
know, it's just when, when
there's no information coming

510
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:23,240
out of the company, stuff starts
to rumble, you know? So what we

511
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,780
have here is a failure to
communicate. He was then he

512
00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:36,320
reminded me that Libsyn had
supported two tags already,

513
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,740
which are the block tag and
block tag. Yeah, and there's one

514
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:45,760
more, I think the transcript,
well, that's recent. They added

515
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,840
that in. I said, Yeah, once
Apple, uh, took it. I think it

516
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,920
was, there was another one,
yeah? Well, they declared them,

517
00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:56,320
yeah. They declared the
namespace. But he also says, you

518
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,920
know, we have an open space for
you to put in any tags you want,

519
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:05,700
which is true? Yeah, yeah. I
think that's true. They have a,

520
00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:08,700
like, a blank box you can paste
in whatever you want to paste

521
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:08,880
in.

522
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:10,800
Dave Jones: I think that's,
yeah, I know they do, but that's

523
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,020
just not, I mean, like, well,
well,

524
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:16,140
Adam Curry: and so this is where
part of his trouble comes from.

525
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:20,160
And I will say that there's
definitely some personality

526
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,120
issues not relevant to the board
meeting. And it's not my place

527
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,900
to to, you know, to get into
that. But there's definitely

528
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:31,040
just general personality stuff
that conflict, conflict has been

529
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:38,240
going on, probably for years,
and, you know. So we started

530
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
talking about tags, and he was
telling me that no one supports

531
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,500
them. And I say, Well, I'm
looking right here at, you know,

532
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,420
podcast index.org/apps, and you
know, they do it is, well, the

533
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:52,000
LIVE TAG, no one supports it.
Well, though that's true, not

534
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,360
true, because here's the apps
that support it. We have a real

535
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:59,800
fundamental, I don't know if I
didn't feel like jumping all the

536
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,360
way in and trying to explain
that, you know that we're

537
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,040
actually playing this, I thought
I explained it the stream plays

538
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,020
in the app, but he has a
philosophical difference about

539
00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:16,020
how that should work. He feels
that that should be something

540
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:18,660
separate. And you alert someone
that it shouldn't be in the app.

541
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:20,160
I guess. I don't know why, but

542
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,940
Dave Jones: it shouldn't be in
that that was that. But I

543
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:25,460
thought he said he came in hot
saying he understood the tags

544
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:32,300
and, well, podcast addict
supports the live podcast guru

545
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:37,160
and but podcast I'm just, I'm
isolating podcast addict because

546
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,420
it is always one of the top
apps. I mean, it's one of the

547
00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:44,860
top apps on Android anyway,
allow me to move on. Sorry, I'm

548
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:47,980
I'm just getting now, so you can
see, and I, I went into

549
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:50,740
Adam Curry: this call, uh,
hearing brother James in my ear.

550
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:54,520
Be quick to listen, slow to
speak, slow to get angry. So I

551
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,120
was just, I was and Tina said,
Who are you talking to? I said,

552
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,240
Rob Walsh. Wow. You were really
calm and patient is that's say,

553
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,020
Yeah, I know, because I was
really trying to listen to what

554
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:14,760
he was saying. And I said, you
know, not agreeing with the tag

555
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:18,840
is totally okay. And, and I
said, and by the way, I don't

556
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
care if you don't support any of
them. I don't care if nobody

557
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,340
supports none of it being my
perfect grammar, I said it

558
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:30,260
doesn't matter this. This was
born out of app developers who

559
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:33,920
want these tags. They've had
these ideas for over a decade.

560
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,680
We've always been saying, well,
Apple doesn't support it. We're

561
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,440
not going to do it. And look at
where we are. We have hundreds

562
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:46,900
of 1000s of feeds thanks to
Buzzsprout and rss.com, and pod

563
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:50,620
home and RSS blue and, you know,
I don't even remember all of

564
00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:50,920
them.

565
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,480
Dave Jones: Red. Circle, yeah.

566
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:55,360
Adam Curry: I mean blueberry,
yeah, blue, oh, sorry, Todd,

567
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,320
blueberry. I mean, a lot of a
lot of support. And does

568
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:03,600
everyone. Support everything, no
but that which gains traction,

569
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,800
gains traction. And I said,
Really, instead of on your

570
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,740
podcast, the feed the place to
because he had, he made a big

571
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:18,540
deal about the person tag. He
says, My job is to grow our

572
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:23,360
customers feed a show which is,
you know, I tried taught, I

573
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,640
tried everybody over this, like,
grow this. All right, grow, grow

574
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:35,540
your show, whatever he says, the
person tag is already satisfied

575
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:40,040
by the author tag, which Apple
uses for search and is the best

576
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:47,440
place for SEO faults. Well, I
had no counter to that because I

577
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
don't know, but please make your
point false. No,

578
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,620
Dave Jones: I'm saying, I'm
saying that the the the author

579
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:58,240
tag cannot, it has it is not
serve the same role as the

580
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,800
person tag. The person tag can
exist at the channel level and

581
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,200
at the item level, and it had in
it can be multiple it can have

582
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,360
multiple instances of it. It can
also have, it also has a role so

583
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,220
Adam Curry: that, yeah, that I
explained, I said, there's a

584
00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:17,280
taxonomy, and you couldn't have
been assigned people. It doesn't

585
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,100
matter. I'm just telling you
what he said. I wasn't trying to

586
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,820
argue with him. I was just
trying to hear what, what his

587
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:23,600
issues were. What

588
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,940
Dave Jones: I'm struggling with
right now is, though, is this,

589
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:30,080
this, this same thing of, I
understand the tags, but, but

590
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,780
again, you well, but what he's
saying is he doesn't is, is

591
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:38,600
everything he's saying is he
doesn't understand the tags like

592
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,740
these. He's describing them in
ways that don't that aren't

593
00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:42,760
accurate. Well,

594
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Adam Curry: here, here's what it
came down to. I said, Rob, what

595
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,240
would really be helpful is, if
you are in the GitHub, as these

596
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,300
tags are being created, there's,
there's discussions that have

597
00:36:55,300 --> 00:37:00,300
gone on for years about certain
tags, and tags can change, and

598
00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:03,180
you know, we're open to it, but
you know, there's no

599
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:07,860
participation from Libsyn, to
which he said, I'm hiring

600
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:11,220
someone who's going, whose job
it is, is going, is to be that.

601
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,980
Okay? So, okay, all right. So I
said that will be very helpful,

602
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:22,940
because there is a place for
these things to grow. Now, what

603
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:26,480
I think, and he made it, here's
where he made a good point. The

604
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,140
feed is for is, I mean, we just
see that as a podcast, right?

605
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:32,300
We're like, Oh, this guy's
talking about talking smack

606
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:38,780
about us. The feed is for his
customers. And as I kind of

607
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:44,500
suspected, what's happening is
support is getting calls like,

608
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:51,220
well, you know, one of it is how
I need podcasting, 2.0 and they

609
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:53,560
don't have it. And so they say,
Well, you can put it in here,

610
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:56,200
and then they put it in there,
and they say it didn't show up

611
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,400
on Apple. So it's become a very
it's become a huge annoyance for

612
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,340
him. This, I understand this. I
understand if you don't have the

613
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:08,460
script, if you don't have the
answers, and you're not really

614
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:12,360
in agreement with most of these
tags anyway. Of course, people

615
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,460
are calling up saying, Well,
what's this with this podcast,

616
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:18,660
too. So I think that without him
even realizing it, he's talking

617
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:26,120
down what we're doing to, um,
help his customers understand

618
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,240
that it's just not that
important from his perspective.

619
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Dave Jones: He wants people to
stop calling them. That's

620
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,300
Adam Curry: kind that's kind of,
yeah, kind of what I got out of

621
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:41,860
it. And I under and I understand
that I really do, um, and then,

622
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:47,740
you know, to have a podcast, a
podcast Standards Project, that

623
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:51,160
says, Well, you got to have
minimum of these five tags. It

624
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,680
just became, I think, them
versus us type deal, which I

625
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,480
don't think anyone really wants

626
00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:03,180
Dave Jones: to clarify. I mean,
we've, we had more, you know,

627
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:07,560
more than one person email us
and say, you know, hey, nobody

628
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,920
reached out to Marco in any sort
of negative way or anything like

629
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,700
that. I mean, like it does not
the people from the podcast

630
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:20,300
Standards Project felt like we
threw them under the bus, which

631
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:23,420
was completely unintended.
That's not at all intended. I

632
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:25,280
mean, I thought, No, I was

633
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,420
Adam Curry: driving the bus.

634
00:39:29,179 --> 00:39:31,399
Unknown: Just kidding, just
kidding.

635
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,100
Dave Jones: I didn't, you know,
I didn't think. I didn't think

636
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:38,720
that, that that we did that, but
if we did it wasn't intentional.

637
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,139
Adam Curry: Well, so let me just
take this a little bit further.

638
00:39:41,859 --> 00:39:42,579
Um,

639
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,280
Dave Jones: everybody's just
trying, let me, let me say this.

640
00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:50,800
Everybody is just trying to do
the thing that's best for the

641
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,700
people that for their own
community. And I mean this Yes,

642
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:56,620
an accurate use of the word
community,

643
00:39:56,620 --> 00:40:01,020
Unknown: yes, yes, nailing it
through. Through this show,

644
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:06,300
Dave Jones: through Lipson the
feed show, the feed through that

645
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:12,780
show, Rob is talking to his
community, yes, and he is trying

646
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:20,160
to affect a particular response
from them, to settle them down,

647
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,900
to stop asking for these things
that he can't give them. So the

648
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:27,200
podcast standard projects is
talking to their community,

649
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,580
which is the hosting companies
that they hope to get on board

650
00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:36,440
with 2.0 in order to standardize
their efforts to make everybody

651
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,560
sort of like put put everybody
on the same set of tracks.

652
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:46,000
Adam Curry: Yes. And so his main
gripe is, overcast doesn't use

653
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,040
them. The biggest apps don't use
it. I said, Well, you know,

654
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:54,700
Apple just added the transcript
tag, so yeah, and we added it

655
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,640
right away. I said, you're kind
of making my point for me,

656
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,880
because these things take a long
time. I mean, I remember the

657
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,800
conversations about a show notes
tag in the original RSS spec,

658
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,580
which, you know, became, it
became, I think that out of that

659
00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:18,300
grew the atom project, atom,
because we got to have this. And

660
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:23,480
I said, it's, you have to
understand that I don't see the

661
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,760
world the way you do. I don't
see it as grow your show to be

662
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,940
the biggest thing on the planet.
In fact, I think the polar

663
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:37,400
opposite. I think the future of
podcasting is local, but it's

664
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,040
really about the community. And
if I look at my community, no

665
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,860
agenda. Being a community, I
have over 50% I think, do not

666
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:53,500
use apple. I'm not even on
Spotify, and it doesn't hurt me,

667
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:58,600
and people use it because I
provide extra content. Well,

668
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,520
actually, part of it is with Dr
Scott, with chapters and other

669
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,300
things. And for a long time, the
transcripts, which are only were

670
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:11,940
not available on Apple and and
so my community uses this. I'm

671
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,840
not a big believer in it.
Everybody has to, has to do

672
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,540
everything, and it has to be the
biggest, and it's, you know,

673
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:22,400
it's international, and that's
how you grow your show. And if

674
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,540
Apple doesn't provide it, then
it's no good. And he also said,

675
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:29,000
Pocket Casts. Well, Pocket
Casts, you know, they're coming

676
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,820
along. We've had talks with
them, you know. And they

677
00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:32,240
support,

678
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,380
Dave Jones: they support quite a
few tags. Now, of course,

679
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Adam Curry: of course they do.
Of course they do. And I would

680
00:42:39,980 --> 00:42:41,140
they support chapters.

681
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:45,640
Dave Jones: They support pod
ping. They just added them. They

682
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,300
added one, a couple. They
support transcripts like they

683
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:52,120
there's a lot of Yeah, stuff
that they support. So where

684
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,260
Adam Curry: we kind of left it
is, look, please participate.

685
00:42:57,340 --> 00:43:01,800
Join us. You know, join in, at
least on the GitHub again. He

686
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,120
said he tried to hire someone.
Now he's hiring someone, and in

687
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,840
two months, they'll be in Okay,
that's great, and we welcome the

688
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,800
feedback. We really do, even if
it's, I mean, I don't

689
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,760
participate in the GitHub
because it riles me up, and I'm

690
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,920
not good at it, and I just, it's
like, you know, I'll take the

691
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,800
abstraction when it pops to the
top. I'm also not a developer,

692
00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:30,440
but there's a lot of
philosophical stuff that people

693
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,480
discuss and and I think that
even our GitHub is is at a point

694
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,920
where people don't rage quit
and, well, you're not doing it,

695
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,640
you know? It's like, okay,
people give in, you know, like,

696
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,660
Okay, well, I guess I lost that
one. I'll do it on something

697
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:51,640
else. And, and he said that that
Libsyn would be participating

698
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,200
it. So that's good now, but I
learned some very frightening

699
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,500
things, because he was talking
about all the integrations they

700
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:07,080
have. And I did not know this,
and I am going to presume that

701
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:11,880
many hosting companies do this,
and it really it hurt my heart,

702
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,740
a lot of these integrations, and
specifically Spotify, enable a

703
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:25,100
quick way for you to get on
Spotify or get on, you know, I

704
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,080
heart or get on, etc, etc,

705
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,960
Dave Jones: yeah, like, one
click add to their direct Yes,

706
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Adam Curry: but it's not just
add to their directory. It's add

707
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,600
and agree to Terms of Service.
And okay, and he and what. And

708
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,920
to his credit, he says, You
know, I have negotiated with

709
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,900
these parties. And, you know,
some had really bad terms of

710
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:49,360
service where they can do
whatever they want. And, you

711
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,620
know, basically Spotify, can
advertise and do all kinds of

712
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:57,220
things. And so the more I'm
listening to this, the more and

713
00:44:57,220 --> 00:45:01,800
they even create special feeds
for. These, for some of these

714
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,400
integrations, yeah, it broke my
heart.

715
00:45:05,459 --> 00:45:09,539
Dave Jones: That's so broke my
heart that's sad, yeah, and, and

716
00:45:09,539 --> 00:45:09,899
so

717
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:14,520
Adam Curry: the more I think
about it, the more broken this

718
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:19,020
podcast industrial complex
appears, because you do have to

719
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:21,860
sign. I mean, I never liked that
you had to have an Apple

720
00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:27,980
account. And of course, with
Apple, you have to sign a, you

721
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:31,580
know, you have to agree to their
EULA, or whatever it is, to get

722
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:34,520
your podcast day. And I won't do
it anymore. I mean, no agenda's

723
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,340
been there forever. This show
was put there without us

724
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:40,540
agreeing to anything someone
else put it in which you'd think

725
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:45,760
would not be possible. And it's
heartbreaking. It's

726
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,600
heartbreaking that all these
integrations into all these

727
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,740
separate platforms all have
separate terms of service, and

728
00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:58,300
this is why you get kicked off
so easily. You know, they can

729
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,900
just cut it off at the source.
There's a million different

730
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:05,820
things that can happen, and it
broke my heart. I mean, it's

731
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,980
these. I don't know who's doing
it, or how many, I presume most

732
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:16,320
who have an integration. Really,
it's not like, here's my feed.

733
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:19,980
Take it into your app and
display it notes. You've got to

734
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:23,300
agree to their terms of service,
and you're doing this with one

735
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,660
click integration. I understand
from a business perspective, why

736
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:31,040
it's done, but don't come to me
anybody who does this and say,

737
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,480
you know, we support open RSS,
because you don't, you're

738
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:38,600
actually hurting open RSS. Wait,

739
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,680
Dave Jones: that's what the
index is for. Yes, sir. There

740
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,740
are no Terms of Service. I mean,
if you put a feed out there,

741
00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:47,260
we're eventually going to find
it and we're going to stick it

742
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:50,200
in the directory, stick it in if
you want to stay, if you want to

743
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,960
stick it in before we get there,
then you can go ahead and stick

744
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,480
it in. But, I mean, like,
that's, and that's, it'll just

745
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,540
go right in there so that
that's, that's the whole reason

746
00:46:58,540 --> 00:47:03,060
there is an index is because
that is for that very reason,

747
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,640
yep, I think you know, on the
media, I hate Listen, this

748
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,980
Adam Curry: is, I think this is
a repeat, because they re aired

749
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:13,620
this. This is old, yeah, but
okay, yes,

750
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,140
Dave Jones: it is, it is, it is
a, is a very cut down re repair

751
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:24,500
of of an episode from last year
about Apple's role in

752
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:28,220
podcasting. So it's, it's funny
because it's outdated, and then

753
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:32,360
to look back now, knowing what
we know about the inflated

754
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,480
download numbers that Apple
podcast app was causing, yeah,

755
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,420
and so like raw, it's
interesting that Rob was, was

756
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:45,580
the guest, sort of guest
interview on that show. And he

757
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,600
mentions in there that, like
seeing something like 440, 6% or

758
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,380
something of their downloads are
from Apple podcasts. That that

759
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:56,680
number has obviously come way
down because those, because

760
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,840
those download numbers were not,
you know, they were being

761
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,440
inflated by Apple's I

762
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Adam Curry: know exactly what. I
know exactly what clip you

763
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,260
pulled now.

764
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,879
Unknown: So this without having
listened to it, really,

765
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:10,560
I think so. I think so. Yeah,

766
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:14,400
Dave Jones: but, you know, it
was not overall, not it was just

767
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,340
a repeat of of, I think we
covered this episode with the

768
00:48:17,340 --> 00:48:23,540
last year when it came out. But,
um, it's, you know, tying your

769
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:28,340
just like what you're saying,
tying yourself to Apple or

770
00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:32,840
Spotify or these companies in a
way where you won't do anything

771
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,540
until they do it first. That's
not, that's not podcasting in

772
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:42,940
this this, it's not, it's not
true to the spirit of

773
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:49,000
podcasting. Todd. Todd and Rob
had a great show Wednesday on

774
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,160
the new media show. And I know

775
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,680
Adam Curry: I was trolling
along. It was great. You were

776
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,540
Dave Jones: all over, causing
them all kinds of grief. But he,

777
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,580
you know, Todd talked about, he
used the term hold the line on

778
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:10,440
RSS and in I think he's, I think
he's right. He you know, we got,

779
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,260
we've got, we've got to hold the
line, or you're going to look

780
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,860
back in a few years and it's
just going to be YouTube and

781
00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:19,020
Spotify, and there's not going
to be anybody else.

782
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:21,680
Adam Curry: I'm pretty sure
blueberry integrates and does

783
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,080
stuff though. I mean, these guys
have to do it,

784
00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:26,840
Dave Jones: sure, but I may be
right. You had Yeah, but I'm

785
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,600
saying like he's, he's talking
about making an investment into

786
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,020
and they're going to start
promoting video podcasting, yes,

787
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,860
in order to to begin the
process. And he said it's a

788
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:40,420
financial risk for them. It is,
and I appreciate that yes, begin

789
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:45,700
this process of trying to pull
some of this back out of these

790
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:52,060
siloed platforms and but, but I
thought the best part of this,

791
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,120
of that show, and this was a new
part that they just added for

792
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,600
this re air, was this one little
section at the end about

793
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,680
podcasting being sort of. Like
the road less traveled. The

794
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,500
Unknown: same thing that's made
podcast technology a little

795
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:08,520
wonky and a little random has
also kept it on this different

796
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,600
path than other digital media.
It was coded by techies to solve

797
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,020
a delivery problem and then
given a home by Apple to sell

798
00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:20,240
hardware and for listeners,
well, we can subscribe to a

799
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:25,100
gazillion podcasts for free from
the App of our choice. What

800
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:26,660
could possibly go wrong?

801
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:32,000
Dave Jones: Yes, I think, I
think she, she did a beautiful

802
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:38,300
job of summing up podcasting. It
was created by techies to solve

803
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:44,740
a delivery problem. Podcasting
at his heart, is not an is not

804
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:48,100
an industry. What we've been
saying for forever. You know, if

805
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:51,700
you go into broadcast, if you go
into broadcast, radio and

806
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:58,480
television world, that was a
that was a club, because you

807
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,460
have to have FCC licensing in
order to get the spectrum you

808
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:06,840
need. And there, and there was
limited, there was limited,

809
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,180
limited channel space and
limited ad inventory based on

810
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:17,400
time slots. There was broadcast,
radio and television was always

811
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,380
a very exclusive club which
created it as it which meant it

812
00:51:21,380 --> 00:51:24,680
was an industry where everybody
sort of talked amongst

813
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,420
themselves, and all mostly went
in the same direction, because

814
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:33,080
it was a small cadre of people,
really, at the top, that mostly

815
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,760
owned everything. Yes, I come
from this world. Podcasting is

816
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,860
not that there is no podcasting
industry, because there can't be

817
00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:46,540
a podcasting industry because,
because it's not a club, because

818
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:50,920
the technology is open in any
moment, at any moment, there's

819
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,700
there's podcast hosting
companies, podcast apps,

820
00:51:55,540 --> 00:52:02,700
agencies, popping up and also
disappearing in, you know, all

821
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,880
the time, constantly, every
month, there's new things coming

822
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,540
online, old things that are
dying on the vine, going

823
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:15,840
offline. Nobody controls it. No,
there's no club there because

824
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,960
it's, it's too big to be a club.
It's too open and it's too

825
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,340
broad. You can't when you can't
control it, you can't have a

826
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:31,160
club. And when you can't control
what it takes to come into the

827
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:36,200
group, you can't be exclusive
enough and exclude people from

828
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,040
the group. Therefore, it's not a
club, and it's the end. And

829
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,820
then, by virtue of that, it's
not an industry, ie,

830
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:46,060
Adam Curry: you can't monetize
the network, yes.

831
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,920
Dave Jones: And so this, you
know, I she said, you know, she

832
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:57,220
said that podcast was created by
techies to to solve a delivery

833
00:52:57,220 --> 00:53:01,980
problem, a content delivery
problem, and then it was adopted

834
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:07,980
by Apple to sell hardware.
That's what Apple's role in

835
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:11,640
podcasting was, and still
continues to be. Well,

836
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,800
Adam Curry: they have, there's
one extra thing they brought,

837
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:21,380
because they did create a I had
an index iPod or.org and they

838
00:53:21,380 --> 00:53:26,960
created an index which enabled
them to solve quote, unquote

839
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,560
solve, although it only solves
it for them, the one click

840
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,340
subscription,

841
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,320
Dave Jones: but that see and
with and that was capture. That

842
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,540
was actually capture. That was
capture because you that that

843
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:47,200
that Apple's directory was only
available publicly in a public

844
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,500
API form because their app
required, yes, it was never

845
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:55,600
intended to be available for
other apps to use. Exactly it

846
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,200
that was not the intent. It was
an accident of history that that

847
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,180
ended it ended up that way, just
like it was an accident of

848
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:06,420
history that the iTunes
namespace ended up being

849
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:10,440
publicly usable because it had
to be, but you still can't

850
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,920
control it. That's correct. And
so these things, these are

851
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,300
things that you app, I think she
I think that's that little

852
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:23,780
sentence at the end is a perfect
summation, perhaps the best one

853
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:27,440
I've ever heard of podcasting in
general, created by techies to

854
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,760
solve a content delivery problem
adopted by Apple to sell

855
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:32,540
hardware. Let's

856
00:54:32,539 --> 00:54:34,219
Adam Curry: listen one more
time. The

857
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:37,040
Unknown: same thing that's made
podcast technology a little

858
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,080
wonky and a little random has
also kept it on this different

859
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,160
path than other digital media.
It was coded by techies to solve

860
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,640
a delivery problem and then
given a home by Apple to sell

861
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,840
hardware and for listeners,
well, we can subscribe to a

862
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,640
gazillion podcasts for free from
the App of our choice. What

863
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,660
could possibly go wrong? Two.
Yeah,

864
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:03,960
Dave Jones: it was, it was, she
said it at the very beginning.

865
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:07,860
It's a little bit wonky. Yeah,
it is. And guess, guess what?

866
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:12,000
The name, the podcast namespace,
it's a little bit wonky, because

867
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,740
everything in podcasting is a
little bit wonky, because that's

868
00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:20,720
the way that this stuff works.
And we love, I mean, yes, we

869
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:25,220
love one. I mean, he's we love,
yeah, well, I mean, I love Ted

870
00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:28,460
over to Apple. I think the apple
podcast team. I think the apple

871
00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:32,540
podcast team is probably the
best team inside of all of Apple

872
00:55:33,380 --> 00:55:40,040
period. I mean, but they, they
are not a money maker, and

873
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,060
they're completely subservient
to Apple's overall

874
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:45,880
Adam Curry: corporate goals, and
there's processes and

875
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,200
everything. Yes,

876
00:55:47,259 --> 00:55:50,619
Dave Jones: and so you're, they,
they're, they're a participant

877
00:55:50,619 --> 00:55:57,099
in podcasting, but you, you
cannot rely on them to be the

878
00:55:57,099 --> 00:56:00,599
leaders of podcasting, and if
you wait on them to do stuff,

879
00:56:00,959 --> 00:56:04,499
you're that's just, that's,
that's completely antithetical

880
00:56:04,499 --> 00:56:07,799
to the core concepts of what, of
what podcasting is, which is

881
00:56:08,099 --> 00:56:13,619
open delivery and wonky and
available everywhere, right?

882
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:20,540
Adam Curry: But that's, it's
antithetical to an industry, and

883
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,640
an industry has been created
around it, which, let's face it,

884
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:33,140
really, really took off during
covid, and covid is gone, and

885
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:38,540
it's time to time to go back,
time to go back. Time to go back

886
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:40,840
to the wonky stuff. And
something will hit, something

887
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,220
will happen, and it'll have
another resurgence. Here's

888
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:48,520
Dave Jones: the reason I said
all that bowling it down is

889
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:56,620
because the podcast namespace
here. Here's what I feel about

890
00:56:56,620 --> 00:57:04,320
this in relation to like to to
rob. I get his concerns about

891
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,640
specific tags. I may not agree
with him, but I get his

892
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:15,000
concerns, and he's and he's
entitled to them. It's fine, but

893
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:20,960
look, try to look past these
individual things within these

894
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,380
tags, the tags themselves
function the way they're

895
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:28,220
supposed to. I mean, they
clearly do. There's many apps

896
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:31,640
and hosting companies that are
hundreds of 1000s of fees are

897
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,920
putting these things in there,
and apps are reading them. They

898
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,580
work. Okay. They may not work
exactly the way each individual

899
00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:41,620
person wants them to, but they
do work. Look past that for a

900
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:51,340
second, though, and look at the
overall goal and function of 2.0

901
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,780
community and the podcast
namespace within the world of

902
00:57:55,780 --> 00:58:06,000
podcast, RSS technology, 2.0 the
open source project encompassing

903
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:11,340
everything that we're doing is
really the first credible,

904
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:21,980
serious attempt to take back
control of RSS from big players

905
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:25,640
like Apple and Spotify and
Amazon and Google. It's the

906
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:32,060
attempt to put the locus of
control for RSS podcast delivery

907
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:38,840
in the hands of actual the
people that that create it, the

908
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,480
hosting companies, the
podcasters, the app developers,

909
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:49,540
that of which, of which, Apple
and Spotify are also part, but

910
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:52,780
they're not. They're not the
boss. They're just a member like

911
00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:54,040
everybody else. And

912
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Adam Curry: intelligent people
understand this. And in fact,

913
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,680
Dvorak says that we will get a
Nobel Peace Prize for the index.

914
00:59:02,219 --> 00:59:06,599
Dave Jones: I expect one. I've
already got us cleared out of

915
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:08,879
space on the wall for where it's
gonna hang

916
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,560
Adam Curry: Exactly. I think
it's a more metal. I don't think

917
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,720
it's actually something you can
you can still

918
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,460
Dave Jones: frame that. Frame
the metal. It's frameable. It,

919
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:20,700
you know.

920
00:59:20,819 --> 00:59:23,539
Adam Curry: But you're so right.
And I love going on a call with

921
00:59:23,539 --> 00:59:26,179
the people from Zebedee, and
said, let me just, you probably

922
00:59:26,179 --> 00:59:29,299
know this, but I just want to
explain Adam and Dave are doing

923
00:59:29,299 --> 00:59:33,679
this for our legacy. Because we
love podcasting. We love it's,

924
00:59:34,219 --> 00:59:38,179
it's, it's not a hobby. It's
like something you just do. It's

925
00:59:38,179 --> 00:59:42,519
like being an altar boy for the
church. You know,

926
00:59:43,179 --> 00:59:46,959
Dave Jones: that's a fraught bad
example. Bad example,

927
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,500
Adam Curry: avoid. Avoid. It's
doing something for the

928
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:57,040
community. You know, you we're
doing something because it's the

929
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,380
right thing to do. It's the
right thing to do. People, yeah,

930
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,920
and, and, and, I think I can
speak for both of us. We love

931
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:05,640
doing it.

932
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:08,220
Dave Jones: It's the right thing
to do, but it's not a, it's not

933
01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:14,460
a of a, it's not a doomsday
mission. It could, it might

934
01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:16,680
work. That's the thing. Oh, I

935
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,080
Adam Curry: think it is worth
No, I think it is working. You

936
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,840
kidding me? Look at what we've
achieved.

937
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,520
Dave Jones: Yeah, and if it does
work, then, then, hallelujah, we

938
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,860
all win. Everybody win.

939
01:00:27,859 --> 01:00:31,699
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. And
when I look at things like, I

940
01:00:31,699 --> 01:00:34,759
love what they're doing over at
pod page, you know, here's a

941
01:00:34,759 --> 01:00:39,019
website company, and dude, I
love, you know, curry and the

942
01:00:39,019 --> 01:00:43,119
keeper, we built our website.
Tina built it. And she's someone

943
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,839
who's worked a lot with Wix and,
you know, Squarespace and all

944
01:00:46,839 --> 01:00:49,599
this stuff, building nonprofit
websites throughout her career,

945
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:53,439
and she was able to go in and
says, Oh, look at all this

946
01:00:53,439 --> 01:01:00,279
stuff, and they're adding 2.0
features into their website. Wix

947
01:01:00,279 --> 01:01:04,739
is no, no, no, podcast. Pod
page. Oh, pod page. Okay, it's,

948
01:01:04,919 --> 01:01:09,539
it's dynamite. You know, by the
way, I think web pages are very

949
01:01:09,539 --> 01:01:15,059
undervalued for many podcasters,
and every hosting company gives

950
01:01:15,059 --> 01:01:18,419
you some type of presence. But,
I mean, that's just one example.

951
01:01:18,419 --> 01:01:24,919
Then there's David comes in with
a hyper catcher extension, which

952
01:01:25,399 --> 01:01:29,059
enables you. I mean, did you see
that thing? It's amazing. Do you

953
01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:31,699
listen to the podcast? Just
click, click, click. It creates

954
01:01:31,699 --> 01:01:34,459
a chapter marker. You can go
back and your chapters are

955
01:01:34,459 --> 01:01:37,939
created. I mean, this is
dynamite. These are really cool

956
01:01:37,939 --> 01:01:44,079
things. And then, and I'm proud
to announce that. Yes, I'm proud

957
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,599
to announce, let me get the date
right, and so I don't proudly

958
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,019
announce the wrong thing. Yeah,

959
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,960
Unknown: hold on, careful. My
phone is wonky.

960
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,660
Adam Curry: December.

961
01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:01,739
Unknown: Hold on. Let me just
double check December. December.

962
01:02:01,739 --> 01:02:02,159
December

963
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:09,060
Adam Curry: 16, at antones in
Austin, there will be a value

964
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:10,200
for value concert.

965
01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:13,860
Dave Jones: Oh, do tell Well,

966
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:14,700
Adam Curry: I just did

967
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:17,880
Dave Jones: give you some
details. I mean, like, well,

968
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:18,720
who's doing? It's

969
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,720
Adam Curry: the Costello's and
it's open mic, and I'm going to

970
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:28,880
be there. I might be emceeing
it. I know we're going to have a

971
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,880
meeting, but it's just like,
hey, let's just book it, and

972
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,280
we're going to get people in
them and try and get Suzanne

973
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,160
Santo in there, and when it's
going to be another V for V

974
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:42,460
concert, I mean, this is, this
is beautiful. She really is.

975
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,900
It's just, it's fantastic that
these things can happen. I mean,

976
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:51,100
yeah, okay, it's very small, the
value verse of music. But is it

977
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:54,220
really? I mean, go take a look
at wavelength. Go to it. Take a

978
01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:58,240
look at Ellen beats, you know,
open up an app and search for

979
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,500
music. It's, it's pretty
amazing. These things take a

980
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:05,280
long time. They do, they do.
They just take a long time.

981
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,060
That's just what it is. And
where we live in a world where

982
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,180
it's got to be, got to go viral,
it's got to go viral. It's got

983
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,880
to be doing. It got to be out.
NPR has got to be talking about

984
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,400
it isn't we're not going to see
those days. Wait,

985
01:03:17,399 --> 01:03:19,739
Dave Jones: here's, here's. We
also live in a world where

986
01:03:19,739 --> 01:03:25,879
people, quote, unquote, launch
products, yes, yes, exactly.

987
01:03:25,999 --> 01:03:30,379
That's not what this thing has
ever been, no, no and marketing,

988
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:35,179
yeah, V for V, 2.0 but names,
but none. This stuff was never

989
01:03:35,179 --> 01:03:41,319
launched. It, it was, it's it
has grown. It's festered. You

990
01:03:41,319 --> 01:03:42,219
know, yes, I'm

991
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:45,580
Adam Curry: also going to resend
the quote, invention of

992
01:03:45,580 --> 01:03:47,920
podcasting. I think we just
discovered it.

993
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:51,040
Unknown: I don't think anything
like electricity, yeah,

994
01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:53,980
Adam Curry: I don't think it was
invented, you know, Weiner and I

995
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:58,240
didn't invent it. We discovered
it. We discovered it. It's much

996
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,020
more fair.

997
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,740
Dave Jones: It's like
Michelangelo. It was always in

998
01:04:01,740 --> 01:04:03,660
that block of granite. All

999
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:06,420
Adam Curry: right, let's play a
song I'm itching for a second.

1000
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:10,440
David, yes, I know what you're
saying. The door fulls are back

1001
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,960
with a new track. Caught it on
the split kit, and of course, we

1002
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,660
want to add it right in boost
during the song. The artists get

1003
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:19,980
the SATs. We play the tracks.
Here's diamonds tonight. The

1004
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:21,260
conversation

1005
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,220
Unknown: is one that I've been
waiting for.

1006
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:36,200
It's been hard to be patient,
but it's something that we can't

1007
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:43,840
ignore. Don't you know? Don't
you know, don't hear you so

1008
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,380
much.

1009
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:19,260
In tomorrow's destination,
standing for beyond the star.

1010
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:26,600
Love, where the light is
everlasting,

1011
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:44,440
while you're Waiting for alone
while you're Waiting. Don't be

1012
01:05:44,740 --> 01:05:45,340
afraid.

1013
01:06:18,180 --> 01:07:33,740
Adam Curry: Good Bye. Door full
diamonds, I see him in your

1014
01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:39,380
eyes, and I will be on the door
full verse, Tuesday, September

1015
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:45,040
17, live. Oh, nice, yes, I think
I'll be playing my, my,

1016
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:51,940
Theremin, I'll be jamming you
laugh. Dave Jones, you laugh,

1017
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,500
you laugh, you laugh at me.

1018
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,880
Unknown: Yeah, not. Great song,
guys, great song.

1019
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,100
Dave Jones: The activity, pub,
bridge, interesting to you want

1020
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:08,580
to hear a tidbit? Yeah, the
activity pub bridge had a

1021
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:11,040
problem. That's not, that's not
the tidbit.

1022
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,520
Adam Curry: Because, like, tell
me, somebody don't know, okay,

1023
01:08:14,580 --> 01:08:14,940
yeah,

1024
01:08:17,219 --> 01:08:20,539
Dave Jones: the activity pub
bridge is having some sort of

1025
01:08:20,539 --> 01:08:29,359
problem where it's not notifying
people of certain episodes. And

1026
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,839
I don't, I don't yet know
exactly what the issue is. I

1027
01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:36,379
started looking at it, but I
don't, I can't tell yet. I'm

1028
01:08:36,379 --> 01:08:40,099
just, I'm just digging around in
the database. The way it works

1029
01:08:40,099 --> 01:08:46,299
is it keeps there's essentially,
there's, there's, there's more

1030
01:08:46,299 --> 01:08:49,119
than this. But there's two main
tables in activity, pub bridge,

1031
01:08:50,139 --> 01:08:52,779
there's an actor's table, which
is basically an actor as a

1032
01:08:52,779 --> 01:08:56,799
podcast, and there's a followers
table, and a follower is an

1033
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,219
activity. Pub user, somewhere,
somewhere in the feta verse

1034
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:08,999
activity. Pub user, when they
subscribe, gets they get linked

1035
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:17,399
to a particular podcast in the
actors table. So then, every few

1036
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:22,639
minutes, the activity pub bridge
pulls the index for all of the

1037
01:09:22,939 --> 01:09:26,779
podcasts it knows about, yeah,
or all the podcast, all the

1038
01:09:26,779 --> 01:09:33,259
podcasts that people follow. It
pulls that and then sees which

1039
01:09:33,259 --> 01:09:38,299
one and checks for whatever the
latest episode is in the show.

1040
01:09:38,839 --> 01:09:42,879
And if it's in then if it's got
a GUID that's different from the

1041
01:09:42,879 --> 01:09:47,919
one in the actors table, it
says, Okay, this, there's a new

1042
01:09:47,919 --> 01:09:52,899
episode. And then it finds out
all the actors that follow that,

1043
01:09:53,259 --> 01:09:57,579
all the followers that follow
that show, and knows to send

1044
01:09:57,579 --> 01:10:02,099
them all a notification about
it. Those are fair. Simple. I

1045
01:10:02,099 --> 01:10:06,119
don't yet know what the issue
is. I feel like what may have

1046
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:14,159
happened is some scraper just
went berserk and did a did a

1047
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:22,279
mass follow on, like 2 million
podcasts, and it may have caused

1048
01:10:22,999 --> 01:10:28,279
some sort of issue there, but
I'm gonna hope, I think that's

1049
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:32,179
what happened. Of course it did,
because the internet, you know,

1050
01:10:32,179 --> 01:10:36,859
scrapers, yeah, and so if you
just send out a mat like, you

1051
01:10:36,859 --> 01:10:39,979
know, I mean, there's, there's
four point something, 4.2

1052
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:44,439
million podcasts in the index
the activity pub bridge can't

1053
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,459
check 4.2 million podcasts every
few minutes. You can't do it,

1054
01:10:48,879 --> 01:10:52,899
just not and it's not realistic.
And that's not realistic to the

1055
01:10:52,899 --> 01:10:58,779
way the you know, to to the real
world. So it's okay that it

1056
01:10:58,779 --> 01:11:01,559
can't do that quantity. But if
somebody goes through and just

1057
01:11:01,559 --> 01:11:05,219
masks fall, does fake follows,
then that that's going to screw

1058
01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:07,559
things up. But anyway, well,
I'll figure that out. But the

1059
01:11:07,559 --> 01:11:09,179
interesting to the tidbit, oh,

1060
01:11:09,180 --> 01:11:13,020
Adam Curry: here we go. Finally
get to the tidbit. Here's the

1061
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:13,620
tidbit

1062
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:19,920
Dave Jones: is there are 4145
active followers on the pre on

1063
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:25,160
the bridge. Wow, that's pretty
good. Yeah, over 4000 people on

1064
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,000
the fediverse. Wow. These are
active, yeah, these are verified

1065
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,700
where it went, where there was a
three way handshake. 4145

1066
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:38,180
fetaverse activity, pub, people,
nice podcast.

1067
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,860
Unknown: Oh, that's pretty good,
actually. That feels like a lot,

1068
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:47,020
yeah, it does not bad for your
podcast app,

1069
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,460
Dave Jones: yeah? And I feel
like this is an, and I feel like

1070
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,160
I feel like this is a, you know,
another sign of things are

1071
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,480
changing, you know? I mean, if
you go back five years ago,

1072
01:12:00,780 --> 01:12:06,900
gosh, even a year ago, the you
know, Twitter was, was the

1073
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:11,400
dominant Town Square in the
world. Now, half those users

1074
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:17,400
have left and gone to Mastodon
and threads and threads and Red

1075
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:23,000
Sky and Telegram, Telegram,
Telegram, and it's just a sign

1076
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,820
that thing, I mean, things
change over time, and you can't

1077
01:12:25,820 --> 01:12:32,840
you have to be willing to build
the new technologies that enable

1078
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,340
new functionality for these to
follow people where they're

1079
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:41,020
actually going, yeah. And so I
think that act the activity pub,

1080
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,960
cross out comments, and you can
throw a nostr in there as well.

1081
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,400
All of those, these, these new
these new things, of of

1082
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:53,800
attaching podcasting to social
infrastructure that I think

1083
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,580
that's going to it may take, it
may take five years. It may take

1084
01:12:57,580 --> 01:13:01,140
10 years, I don't know, but I
think it's promising, and

1085
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:04,200
Adam Curry: it's too bad that x
just cut everybody off with the

1086
01:13:04,260 --> 01:13:08,760
API shutting down. Yeah, it was
chop going chop. And I think

1087
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:13,560
that's gonna hurt to hurt X long
term, the future is open. The

1088
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:14,700
future is small.

1089
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,040
Dave Jones: I don't think I
could ever, I don't think I'll

1090
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:22,520
ever be able to call an X. It's
just dumb. Well, all

1091
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:28,340
Adam Curry: right, I have on my
list, aggregator, dB. You said

1092
01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:34,460
it was a potential board topic,
so here I am bringing it up. Oh

1093
01:13:34,460 --> 01:13:34,880
yeah,

1094
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:35,780
Unknown: oh yeah,

1095
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:36,740
Dave Jones: oh yeah. I

1096
01:13:36,740 --> 01:13:37,520
Adam Curry: take notes.

1097
01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:43,300
Dave Jones: Let's see I got a
thing over here. Oh, I got a

1098
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:45,580
thing. Let's see. Boost,

1099
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,960
Adam Curry: I don't know why I
did that, but it felt right.

1100
01:13:50,020 --> 01:13:53,200
Dave Jones: I don't either. I
just kind of weird. But, um,

1101
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,660
yes, each, you know, the
aggregate, the aggregator, so

1102
01:13:58,660 --> 01:14:00,160
bear let me back up. Barry,

1103
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:04,440
Adam Curry: uh, Dutch, Berry,
Dutch master Barry,

1104
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,100
Dave Jones: Dutch master berry
built some new pod pain code,

1105
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:09,060
oh, oh,

1106
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,020
Unknown: all right.

1107
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,560
Dave Jones: Let me see if I can
pull it up. I want to link on a

1108
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,600
link to what he's got, or a
verb. This is a verbal link. I

1109
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:25,820
want to verbally link to what he
has. Where is it? Come on,

1110
01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:31,760
Barry, pop up my timeline.
Brother, okay, yeah, here it is.

1111
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:37,580
So it's, he open sourced it, and
it's a pot. It's a C is built in

1112
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:44,800
C Sharp. And it's a way to, a
way to to pull pod ping. I mean,

1113
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,460
it's like the hive watcher.
Yeah, you're pulling pod ping

1114
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:56,260
in, in, just in C Sharp, instead
of, instead of Python. And so

1115
01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:59,080
he's doing that for his own he's
building a building a podcast

1116
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,700
app. Yeah. Uh, well, you know
what? I just got an AP bridge

1117
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:06,480
notification in my timeline. So
it's it's working for some shows

1118
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:12,660
and not others. I'm getting
distracted. Sorry. Um, so he, he

1119
01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:15,660
built this, sourced it so you
can go get it if you're a C

1120
01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:23,240
sharp inclined fella or or lady.
And he started talking about his

1121
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,760
new podcast app, and the way
he's building the database. And

1122
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,620
he's building it out on Azure,
using Azure built in stuff like

1123
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,940
durable functions, or what I
think I forgot what they call

1124
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:44,620
it, but it is hive, pod, ping,
API. It is on github.com/b, M,

1125
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:50,620
a, l, u, i, j, b, slash, Hive,
pod, ping API. That's the link.

1126
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,100
Okay, and he

1127
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:56,440
Adam Curry: wait. Can you get
that to me again? I'll put in

1128
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:58,000
the show notes. Yeah,

1129
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:02,100
Dave Jones: it's uh,
github.com/bm, like. Bowel

1130
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:11,100
movement, a, l, u, i, j, b,
slash, Hive, pod, ping, a, p, i,

1131
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:11,880
all one word

1132
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,980
Unknown: that's marketing right
there, baby. It is. Yeah,

1133
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,940
Dave Jones: it fits with our
standard mark. Yes, it does. So

1134
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:26,660
he, um, so anyway, he started
talking about his database and

1135
01:16:26,660 --> 01:16:32,480
stuff and his app database, and
it got me, I've been have had

1136
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:40,540
this idea for a while, and the
idea here, he brought it back up

1137
01:16:40,540 --> 01:16:46,420
to me, because the our database
is our biggest bottleneck. We

1138
01:16:46,420 --> 01:16:50,440
just basically can't We can't it
can't keep up, right? The speed

1139
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:55,240
required to write, the number of
transactions we're trying to do

1140
01:16:55,300 --> 01:17:01,380
at any given time is just so
high. And so the aggregators. If

1141
01:17:01,380 --> 01:17:03,780
you look, we have 10
aggregators. They all run.

1142
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:12,720
They're all polling as many as
1000 feeds every minute. And you

1143
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:17,400
imagine pushing all of that
change data into one database.

1144
01:17:18,180 --> 01:17:20,960
What they do is they do all the
stuff, and then they make the

1145
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,840
calls to that. They aggregate
all the fees, and they make the

1146
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,200
calls to the database. And you
can see this on the ver on the

1147
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,460
screen, when you're watching
them in action, they they hit a

1148
01:17:31,460 --> 01:17:34,820
point where they're just
waiting. They're waiting for

1149
01:17:34,820 --> 01:17:39,800
those database rights to finish.
And so it may take, it may take

1150
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:43,300
20 seconds for them, or 30
seconds for them to pull those

1151
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:47,080
feeds, and then it may take
another minute, minute and a

1152
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:52,840
half, for the database rights to
finish. So it's a it's a real

1153
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,520
bottleneck. And what I've been
thinking about for a while is,

1154
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:05,880
I've just been mulling this
over, is pushing some of that

1155
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:11,100
work database workload to the
aggregators themselves. So

1156
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:14,340
essentially, when, when the
aggregate, when the aggregators,

1157
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:20,120
when they get, when the
aggregator notes they would have

1158
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:25,280
a small database on them. They
would when they get their list

1159
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,840
of data, of feeds to poll,
instead of just pulling over the

1160
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,040
URL and the I and the feed ID,
they would pull over the entire

1161
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,520
record, everything about that
data, everything about that

1162
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:43,720
feed. Okay, then when they pull
it down, so this will be

1163
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,260
insights like SQLite, they when.
So then when they do the

1164
01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:51,820
aggregation, they will make all
the changes locally in their

1165
01:18:51,820 --> 01:18:57,460
local database, then package the
records and push them out into a

1166
01:18:57,460 --> 01:19:03,960
queue, which the queue will then
just line up the requests to be

1167
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,380
streamed back into the main
database. So there are basically

1168
01:19:07,380 --> 01:19:14,400
one queue server that will be
lit that will be taking things

1169
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,420
First In, First Out, out of the
pipe, and writing those changes

1170
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:22,400
back to the main database. That
way the aggregators can go back

1171
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:27,680
to doing they don't never have
to slow down. They just they,

1172
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,100
they rapidly handle their let's
just say 1000 feeds, or 2000

1173
01:19:31,460 --> 01:19:35,900
feeds, get done, throw them on
the queue and then move on to

1174
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:44,260
the next batch. But you know
that that sounds, that sounds

1175
01:19:44,260 --> 01:19:46,900
like you're not really solving a
problem, because you're like,

1176
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:51,520
Okay, well now the queue is just
going to stack up. But that's

1177
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:58,120
not entirely accurate, because
sometimes the aggregators are

1178
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,040
super some like, if. From run to
run. So let's say I have let's

1179
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:08,160
say aggregator three has 1000
feeds, and it's taken 1000 feed

1180
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:13,140
chunks every minute for every
minute and a half. It meant

1181
01:20:13,140 --> 01:20:18,600
this, this particular batch of
1000 feeds may have 400 feeds

1182
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:23,060
that changed in Avenue data. The
next batch may only have seven,

1183
01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:29,540
and if you never had to slow
down for the for the first

1184
01:20:29,540 --> 01:20:33,440
batch, you could already be
checking this the next batch,

1185
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,980
and just adding seven more to
the 400 you had a while ago is

1186
01:20:36,980 --> 01:20:39,440
not going to actually do it.
It's not going to hurt anything.

1187
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:39,680
So

1188
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,320
Unknown: it's performance
enhancement.

1189
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,080
Dave Jones: Just It is, yeah,
it's for four. It's a list, a

1190
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:54,580
little blue pill for servers.
And so, I mean, I feel like, I

1191
01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:57,640
feel like that might be a now,
that's going to take some some,

1192
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,720
some work, but I feel like
that's maybe where we need to

1193
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:10,680
go. And Barry asked about, he
said he made a comment about

1194
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:15,360
wanting to, want to hear what
we're paying for stuff. And I

1195
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:21,740
kind of ran the looked at the
bill and our here's a couple of

1196
01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:25,520
highlights. Is here 100. And our
overall bill last month was $722

1197
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:35,960
to to Linode, 100 and I the main
database VM, is 32 gigs of RAM.

1198
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:41,080
And we'll see how much disk it's
got. I don't remember. It's

1199
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,920
like, it's got to have
terabytes. No, it's not that

1200
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:49,720
much. Actually, I think it's
like, it's like 400 gigs, $192

1201
01:21:52,540 --> 01:21:56,740
is what that is, what that runs
us for that VM. And then we've

1202
01:21:56,740 --> 01:22:02,700
got the main two front end API
servers. Those are $24 each. So

1203
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:08,100
we get two of those. I got four
gigs around, like the search the

1204
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:10,740
search database, the one that
handles when you do when you

1205
01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:18,120
call search by term, that is a
two gig Linode, that's like 12

1206
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:26,480
bucks. Block Storage only knows
expensive. It's like 10, $10 for

1207
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,220
100 gigs. So we've got $50

1208
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,420
Adam Curry: we have a Cloud
Flare

1209
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,960
Unknown: bill as well. Yeah,

1210
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,980
Dave Jones: that's $95 a month.
Oh, that's not bad. So that's

1211
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:43,300
like, well, they used to be
cheaper, but then we had to do

1212
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:49,660
the the custom certificate,
yeah, our V for V lightning

1213
01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:53,320
thing that that tracks all the
lightning nodes off the of all

1214
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,100
the lightning transactions and
handles boosts and all that kind

1215
01:22:57,100 --> 01:22:59,860
of stuff. That's, that's like
eight gig and eight gig VM,

1216
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:03,480
that's 48 bucks a month. Well,
diversion, surge, I

1217
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,900
Adam Curry: forget we pay for
voltage. I think I'm still

1218
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:08,100
paying for them. I still pay for
it.

1219
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:12,240
Dave Jones: And now, like 150
Yeah, we paid for it with

1220
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:13,320
Bitcoin last time,

1221
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,140
Adam Curry: yeah, when we
started it up. But I think we're

1222
01:23:16,140 --> 01:23:19,380
paying for I don't know. I
should look at my car. I might,

1223
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:21,920
I might be paying for it. I
don't know. We'll figure it

1224
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,360
Dave Jones: out. The person
search node is, is a four gig.

1225
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,320
That's actually a pretty heavy
search function, and it's $24 a

1226
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,360
month. So anyway, that's, it's
like roughly $12 for each

1227
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,060
aggregator node. There's 10 of
those $120 so it's around $700 a

1228
01:23:40,060 --> 01:23:43,900
month right now and then. So
that he was just curious about

1229
01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:47,260
that. He was thinking he may be
able to get a cheap figure out.

1230
01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:48,640
Do it cheaper on Azure or

1231
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,600
Adam Curry: something? So, yeah,
speaking of of pod ping, I had

1232
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,540
an interesting call this week.
Yes, there was another one

1233
01:23:55,540 --> 01:24:02,100
forgot about it with clicks,
clicks, tv.com, C, l, I x tv.com

1234
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:09,300
then clicks TV they if you've
ever checked into a hotel room

1235
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:14,280
in the United States, their
channel guide is in 600 million

1236
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:20,460
hotel rooms. Then if you go to
clicks tv.com c l, I xtv.com

1237
01:24:20,940 --> 01:24:24,620
you'll see they have a carousel.
Are you looking at it?

1238
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,860
Dave Jones: I am. It's spinning.
Yeah, it's spinning mesmerized.

1239
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:28,100
Yes,

1240
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:33,680
Adam Curry: it'll make you
dizzy. So they're their next

1241
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:41,200
move. They have an app, and the
concept behind their app is you

1242
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,160
turn on the TV in the hotel
room. You're like, you know, I

1243
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,640
don't want to have to log into
Hulu. Don't want to have to log

1244
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:54,220
into Netflix. I want to do all
this stuff. So you scroll

1245
01:24:54,220 --> 01:24:57,340
through, you use their carousel.
You say, Oh, that looks

1246
01:24:57,340 --> 01:25:01,500
interesting. And then you stop.
And it gives you a QR code. You

1247
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:05,940
scan that with your phone, and
then you screencast from your

1248
01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:11,760
phone to the TV, which is
actually a very pretty cool

1249
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,000
idea, because I've had that
myself. It's like, how do I log

1250
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,660
in, you know, to my Netflix, and
this button, you know, how do I

1251
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:24,800
stop it? How do you know, it
makes you anxious. Yeah, and

1252
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,700
they called me and said we'd
kind of like to talk about

1253
01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:35,600
putting podcasts in there from
the index. Go for it. And then I

1254
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:41,740
showed them the tiles, dot pod,
ping.org, they lost their crap

1255
01:25:41,740 --> 01:25:46,540
over that, really? And if you
look at tiles, dot pod,

1256
01:25:46,540 --> 01:25:48,160
ping.org, it's cool.

1257
01:25:49,180 --> 01:25:50,680
Dave Jones: That's, that's
Brian's thing, right?

1258
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,140
Adam Curry: And, yeah, it's like
the ultimate discovery

1259
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:56,980
mechanism. Because I'll just
look at it now and I'm waiting

1260
01:25:56,980 --> 01:26:00,600
for it to load. I've got and
stuff is just flying through,

1261
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,740
right thriving alcohol free
scoop, the podcast and the

1262
01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:07,380
Empire podcast, the spandex

1263
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:10,920
Dave Jones: and wine podcast,
yes, that's Korean, please.

1264
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,460
Adam Curry: You know, it's just
just all kinds of cool stuff

1265
01:26:14,460 --> 01:26:18,540
popping in here all the time,
and I'll look at this from time.

1266
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:21,500
Then let me just check this
podcast out, which, of course,

1267
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:28,040
should be tied to episodes.fm.
Just saying, and they and so

1268
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:32,060
we'll be, we'll be talking in a
couple weeks there, I think that

1269
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:34,580
with the Chief Marketing Officer
and the Chief Technology

1270
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:39,860
Officer, and that could be a
pretty nice discovery mechanism

1271
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:41,800
for podcasts. That'd

1272
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:47,740
Dave Jones: be great. That's
cool. I mean, hey, let me if, if

1273
01:26:47,740 --> 01:26:52,360
Lipson did nothing else, if they
just implemented podcasting,

1274
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,280
Adam Curry: yeah, wow, wouldn't
that be awesome.

1275
01:26:54,340 --> 01:26:58,300
Dave Jones: I would shut up and
go away. Yeah, honestly, I would

1276
01:26:58,300 --> 01:27:02,880
never talk about it again. I
would be so happy. And it's so

1277
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,260
easy, it's so simple, and they
already have the keys because I

1278
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:07,680
sent them.

1279
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,040
Unknown: Yeah, that was Yeah.
That would be nice.

1280
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,960
Dave Jones: This is that's
pretty neat. Pod ping is an

1281
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,240
underappreciated resource.
Definitely.

1282
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,560
Adam Curry: I want to make my
call out again, please consider

1283
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:27,020
implementing the funding tag in
your apps. Yes, call it donate,

1284
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,020
something like that. Don't Don't
worry about what it's called as

1285
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:34,040
a tag. But give me a donate
button so I can send people to

1286
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:38,360
your apps and they can support
my show by just tapping on that

1287
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,340
button in app. It's a big deal.

1288
01:27:41,660 --> 01:27:43,780
Dave Jones: Can we talk about
the location tag for a second?

1289
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:44,380
Oh, I've

1290
01:27:44,380 --> 01:27:45,220
Adam Curry: been waiting.

1291
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:55,360
Dave Jones: So the location tag
is come up before that.

1292
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:03,360
Obviously the location tag is
meant to specify what the

1293
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:09,300
podcast is about. So this is a
podcast about Austin, Texas

1294
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:11,520
Adam Curry: or but we know how
it's now OPT. Isn't there an

1295
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,260
option now? Well, so that's

1296
01:28:13,260 --> 01:28:16,380
Dave Jones: what I was going to
bring up. I don't I think it

1297
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:20,480
came up once before that, the
location tag we talked about

1298
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,980
having an option or optional
attribute that says this is not

1299
01:28:24,980 --> 01:28:29,300
what it's about. This is where
it's from. Show is yes, yes, but

1300
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:30,920
I don't remember where we left
that.

1301
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:36,140
Adam Curry: What I remember is
James rescinded after trying to

1302
01:28:36,140 --> 01:28:40,600
convince everybody that it was
purely meant to be what it's

1303
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:45,460
about. And I remember him on, I
think, pod news weekly review

1304
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,120
weeks ago, saying, Okay, this
should be an option. So you can

1305
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,360
say this is where it's from,
which I think would be handy,

1306
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:53,140
honestly.

1307
01:28:54,700 --> 01:28:57,160
Dave Jones: Okay, so that, so
what I was hearing was maybe

1308
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:03,540
just a discussion about it on,
maybe on, on power. Apply news,

1309
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:05,460
weekly review, yes,

1310
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:09,180
Unknown: gotcha, power, power,
power, yeah. I

1311
01:29:09,180 --> 01:29:13,020
Dave Jones: mean, that's okay.
So if that's if there was never,

1312
01:29:13,020 --> 01:29:15,360
I was thinking there was a
GitHub issue about it, but maybe

1313
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,300
not. Look, this is all just an
ulterior motive on my part,

1314
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:20,780
because what really, what I
really want to do is not have to

1315
01:29:20,780 --> 01:29:26,300
search GitHub. And if I say it
this way, then so the link in

1316
01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:28,100
the boardroom,

1317
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,240
Adam Curry: yes, I get it. I
think having it by having the

1318
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,300
option to have it from, this is
where it's from, would be very

1319
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:37,100
important. I

1320
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:40,040
Dave Jones: think so too, yeah,
and I think it's actually a big

1321
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,340
deal, particularly podcasting is
going to be local.

1322
01:29:42,340 --> 01:29:44,440
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you. You.
You took the words out of my

1323
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:46,120
mouth. Podcasting is going

1324
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,060
Dave Jones: to be local. We need
to have a way to find the local

1325
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:54,700
shows. Yes, and I will, and I
have, I fully intend to put a

1326
01:29:54,700 --> 01:30:00,660
local podcast search into the
index. Nice. So. That we can

1327
01:30:00,660 --> 01:30:04,500
find those local shows so that I
can say, I want all the show. I

1328
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:08,940
want to see a list of shows from
Birmingham, Alabama, now if it's

1329
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:12,120
not appropriate, see, here's the
thing, like, if it's not

1330
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,880
appropriate to your show, if
your show, if you do, if I live

1331
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:21,180
in Birmingham, Alabama, and I
do, and I do a podcast about um,

1332
01:30:21,180 --> 01:30:27,320
milk, Yosemite milk, yes. Can I
do a an all milk podcast? Yes?

1333
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:32,360
Then I'm not gonna put the
location tag in there. No, I

1334
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,540
don't care, you know. Or if I
have a podcast where I'm just

1335
01:30:35,540 --> 01:30:39,740
playing the guitar, I'm not
gonna put Birmingham, Alabama in

1336
01:30:39,740 --> 01:30:42,400
there just for my guitar
lessons. I mean, like, that's

1337
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,480
just not appropriate. So I don't
think it's gonna pollute things

1338
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:51,160
to do this. You just have to,
you know, you have to just be,

1339
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,720
you have to just say, All right,
well, this is a show that needs

1340
01:30:55,780 --> 01:31:02,040
that I want to be findable in
this way. Yeah. I like it. Just

1341
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,440
like you, yeah, just like you
do. When you put your person tag

1342
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:07,680
in there, you put your person
tag in your in your podcast,

1343
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:13,920
you're saying, I want to be
findable that way. I like it. I

1344
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,100
mean, I guess, what do we have?
What do we have to keep eyeball

1345
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:20,360
in the boardroom? And Nathan
hasn't popped up with a link to

1346
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,340
GitHub, yeah, very long, very
disappointing

1347
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,480
Adam Curry: boardroom. Hey, wake
up. You know, with this one guy

1348
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:29,360
in the boardroom who's his eyes
are just closed, and he's

1349
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,760
sitting there silently, you
know, he's sleeping, and he

1350
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,440
goes, say, isn't that right?
Nathan,

1351
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,100
Dave Jones: yeah, yeah, that's
right. Adam,

1352
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,960
Adam Curry: got to turn down the
air conditioning keep everybody

1353
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:41,440
awake.

1354
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,920
Dave Jones: Let's be honest,
people, always people. People

1355
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,540
nod off when I talk about
databases,

1356
01:31:47,260 --> 01:31:53,260
Adam Curry: I tased my nuts
while you're doing that. Funny

1357
01:31:53,260 --> 01:31:57,760
enough. Funny enough. Hold on a
second. It's the clicks TV. Let

1358
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,780
me do it again because I didn't
want to say, because I was

1359
01:32:00,780 --> 01:32:04,560
bringing up the website, and if
you click on something, then all

1360
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,900
of a sudden, it gave me that
taser. So let me see if I can

1361
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:08,580
recreate. There it is.

1362
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,340
Dave Jones: It sounded like, it
sounded like a, you know, you

1363
01:32:11,340 --> 01:32:13,080
were, like, lighting up a stogie
or something.

1364
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:18,120
Adam Curry: It was. It's some
interface widget they have. Last

1365
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:19,740
thing I have on my list is the
UMA,

1366
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,480
Dave Jones: which universal
money address? Yes,

1367
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:25,820
Adam Curry: have you looked into
this? I know you were reading

1368
01:32:25,820 --> 01:32:28,040
it, so I'm curious what you what
you learned? What are you

1369
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:29,000
learning? Dave,

1370
01:32:29,780 --> 01:32:35,300
Dave Jones: I read the website,
and can I just bitch for a

1371
01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:35,720
second?

1372
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:41,380
Unknown: Oh, baby, hold on a
second. And now another bitch

1373
01:32:41,380 --> 01:32:44,440
from the box. Bitch, bitch,
bitch, bitch.

1374
01:32:47,140 --> 01:32:49,300
Dave Jones: You deserve. You
choked. Yourself choked.

1375
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:50,020
Adam Curry: Yes,

1376
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,700
Dave Jones: can. It really
annoys me when specifications

1377
01:32:57,700 --> 01:33:03,600
and things are written and and
people develop an an a website

1378
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:12,480
for a spec, and then they spend
the entire, like, 10 pages of

1379
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:17,640
material you're trying to get to
the actual spec show, show me

1380
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,900
the code Marketing, yeah, yes,
and it's just marketing

1381
01:33:21,620 --> 01:33:26,480
terminology over and over and
over that drives me up the wall.

1382
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:29,600
I'm like, I don't care about
your marketing. I just need to

1383
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,080
know what this thing actually
does. What is it? Please.

1384
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:41,200
Somebody tell me what this is.
So my understanding of the UMA

1385
01:33:41,260 --> 01:33:45,820
thing is that it looks like an
email address, but it's sort of

1386
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:55,720
delineated by a by $1 sign, or,
you know, in front of by dollar

1387
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,260
sign, in front of the name,
portion of the email Address,

1388
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:05,220
look alike thing to denote that
it is a uma, universal money

1389
01:34:05,220 --> 01:34:05,880
address.

1390
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,320
Adam Curry: Oh, that's the whole
thing,

1391
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:14,520
Dave Jones: yeah, but then, but
it uma uses lightning on the

1392
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:20,540
back end, uma is meant to be a
sort of interface into

1393
01:34:20,540 --> 01:34:26,240
lightning. But I can't, I
haven't gotten any farther than

1394
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,700
that. I mean, it's, well,

1395
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,520
Adam Curry: Alex Gates was
saying he showed me this part of

1396
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,760
the code. I think it's called
vast. So there's some

1397
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:41,020
verification that the provider
of the the money transmission is

1398
01:34:41,020 --> 01:34:45,220
an approved, like, money
transmitter, or some, some crap

1399
01:34:45,220 --> 01:34:45,880
like that.

1400
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,520
Dave Jones: I know I think
you're that's light spark stuff.

1401
01:34:49,180 --> 01:34:49,720
Oh, he

1402
01:34:49,780 --> 01:34:52,120
Unknown: was leaking to light
sparks. Oh, all right, all

1403
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:52,780
right, this.

1404
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,760
Dave Jones: But my
understanding, the best I can

1405
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,940
tell, is that this is basically
a lightning address, but it's

1406
01:34:57,940 --> 01:35:00,240
meant to be used by financial
institutions. Lines.

1407
01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:03,300
Adam Curry: Okay? So it does, so
it does have a compliance

1408
01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:07,560
element to it. Eric PP saying,
as is ln, URL pay with

1409
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:08,640
compliance added.

1410
01:35:09,180 --> 01:35:11,640
Dave Jones: Yeah, right. It's
pretty much the exact same thing

1411
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,220
as a lightning address, but it's
meant to be used by banks so

1412
01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:21,260
they can layer on their
compliance. And then this, you

1413
01:35:21,260 --> 01:35:26,660
know, so, like, in the same way
that you have, like a cash was a

1414
01:35:26,660 --> 01:35:32,720
cash tag, like, in a cat in
cash, yeah, or a strike username

1415
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,880
in straight and they all the,
all these things look like email

1416
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,580
addresses, kind of, yeah, I
think this is supposed to be the

1417
01:35:37,580 --> 01:35:41,440
standardized version of that
thing for financial

1418
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:45,940
institutions. But there's a lot
of marketing, lot of marketing.

1419
01:35:45,940 --> 01:35:46,360
That's

1420
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,400
Adam Curry: what I said. That's
what I said. Looks like great

1421
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,620
marketing. That's all I could
read from it. I'm like, All

1422
01:35:50,620 --> 01:35:53,440
right. Marketing looks okay.
Like

1423
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:55,540
Dave Jones: at the bottom of the
page, it says, reserve your uma

1424
01:35:55,540 --> 01:35:56,740
with one of these companies

1425
01:35:56,740 --> 01:35:59,320
Unknown: today. Oh, yeah. Okay,
well enough said,

1426
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,840
Dave Jones: and I can't find,
don't see us anywhere on there,

1427
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:11,160
which is, you know, kind of
weird. I mean, UK zapo Bank, the

1428
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:13,800
first Bitcoin enabled bank to
fully integrate traditional

1429
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:18,000
finance with crypto. Yeah, I
don't know crypto, crypto,

1430
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,220
crypto, hey, if it works, we'll
figure it out. Yeah, but how

1431
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:26,780
Adam Curry: about we? Thank some
people? Oh, yeah, I guess we

1432
01:36:26,780 --> 01:36:29,720
could do that. Yeah, we're
getting towards that time. Heard

1433
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:30,800
a lot of boosts come in.

1434
01:36:31,700 --> 01:36:32,420
Unknown: Oh, okay,

1435
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:36,620
Adam Curry: here is Sam. I'm
going to think that Sam Sethi,

1436
01:36:39,380 --> 01:36:43,240
1000 sets, we want to implement
the location from option and

1437
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,480
link it to Google Maps. This was
the discussion James and I had

1438
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:53,740
on power, okay, okay, that'll
work. That'll work, yep. And he

1439
01:36:53,740 --> 01:36:56,920
says, Thank you. You know why go
podcasting? Go podcasting.

1440
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:00,160
Unknown: Okay, welcome Sam.

1441
01:37:01,900 --> 01:37:04,860
Adam Curry: 20,000 sat, SATs
from Todd Cochran. Hold the

1442
01:37:04,860 --> 01:37:12,780
line. He says, nice. 2121 salty
curry on every time you buy from

1443
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:15,300
the grocery store, you put a
nail in the coffin of your local

1444
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:18,300
producer. Rancher and farmer
need help finding one. We have

1445
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:21,740
over 150 producers probably in
your backyard. Go to beef

1446
01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:24,920
initiative this and add go to
beef initiative.com and start

1447
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,860
shaking a rancher's hand, either
in person or digitally. And by

1448
01:37:27,860 --> 01:37:31,160
the way, most of them take
Bitcoin for beef. It's a win for

1449
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:36,860
them and a win for you. Welcome
to beef.com Oh yeah, I agree. I

1450
01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:39,560
agree. That's, uh, it's actually
quite important.

1451
01:37:40,460 --> 01:37:43,000
Dave Jones: 20 pounds of ground
beef from KNC every month.

1452
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:43,540
That's right,

1453
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:46,720
Adam Curry: 10,000 SATs from
Todd Cochran. I'm going to give

1454
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:50,080
him a baller now because he's
completed that baller. Shot

1455
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:54,820
Caller, 20 inch blades only
Impala. He says Spotify is the

1456
01:37:54,820 --> 01:37:57,640
only company that required an
integration of a separate feed.

1457
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,080
The dumb thing is, it's an exact
mirror. They said they needed

1458
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,920
guaranteed feed performance, and
we fought it. They are the only

1459
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,980
one that did this. Oh, and this
was before they bought anchor.

1460
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:09,840
Okay, that

1461
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,760
Dave Jones: makes perfect sense,
although I will say

1462
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,420
Adam Curry: that you remember,
we had that call with the CEO of

1463
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:18,180
TuneIn. Remember that, that
jamok?

1464
01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:22,400
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that
wasn't the CEO. That was the

1465
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,680
CEO, somebody else, some

1466
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,280
Adam Curry: CC suite, something
the CSO is a chief. Yeah, right.

1467
01:38:28,340 --> 01:38:33,080
And, and, you know, man, that
was how we haven't used the

1468
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,320
index, and we would have to get
business insurance.

1469
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,680
Unknown: Yeah, remember that?
Yeah. And the guy, then the guy

1470
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,200
Adam Curry: dried up and blew
away.

1471
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,440
Dave Jones: Made us go get
business insurance, and then he

1472
01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:48,880
never did anything. Yeah, so
make any money off of it. It was

1473
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:52,000
like, anyone has to sign. We had
to go through all this back and

1474
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:57,700
forth with like red, red marking
up and redlining our, oh God,

1475
01:38:57,700 --> 01:39:00,840
like service and all this stuff.
And they were like, we, we need

1476
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,300
a separate terms of service for
just for us. And we were like,

1477
01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:03,720
No, we're

1478
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,000
Adam Curry: not, no, we're not
doing that. So, but then he had

1479
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,620
put no agenda into the tune in
database, so I, I'd like that

1480
01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:13,380
show, and it's you, so I'm going
to put it in there so I get

1481
01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:16,620
emails from people. Hey, you
know, I was listening to no

1482
01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:19,260
agenda. I pulled it up on
TuneIn, and there were two ads

1483
01:39:19,260 --> 01:39:19,860
before it.

1484
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,920
Dave Jones: And oh yeah, I
signed

1485
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,320
Adam Curry: no agreement, and
now I'm stuck. There you go.

1486
01:39:29,780 --> 01:39:33,260
Less platforms, people, salty
crayon, 2121 hottie boardroom,

1487
01:39:33,260 --> 01:39:35,780
tired of drinking that beef
milkshake and sitting on the

1488
01:39:35,780 --> 01:39:41,080
throne while Doom scrolling, go
to your go to your pantry. Clean

1489
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,380
that shit out, man, divorce the
supermarket. Act like you're in

1490
01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:48,640
the Texas panhandle. Start with
the processing center. If you

1491
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,160
can't find that, find a guy
that's out there. Find a woman

1492
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,920
that's out there. Start with
eggs, butter. Start with butter.

1493
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:57,460
Start with milk. Okay, got to
think that's a continuation of

1494
01:39:57,460 --> 01:40:01,740
his beef initiative. Ad one.
Told Kyle, triple seven, love

1495
01:40:01,740 --> 01:40:07,200
the door fulls. Do I hear a
banjo? Go, go, go. 1234, from

1496
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:11,040
salty crayon. Again. Adam and
Dave let me know if that double

1497
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:14,040
boosted gram came through in
curio caster or not. So I can

1498
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:17,580
boost it again before the
delimiter. Let's see if we get

1499
01:40:17,580 --> 01:40:22,580
to it. Yes. Chad, f by the by
the way, that was from pod

1500
01:40:22,580 --> 01:40:26,900
verse. Now we have Chad. Chad F
from podcast. Guru, door falls

1501
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:31,880
itbr boistine Berke, 3333 I love
the door. Fulls. Heard it on

1502
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:36,860
podcasting 2.0 1000 SATs from
sand. Question, what links,

1503
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:41,320
Libsyn and pod page, Dave, do
you know the answer?

1504
01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:46,060
Unknown: What links lives in
with POD page.

1505
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:50,320
Adam Curry: That's a question of
the week. Question. You know the

1506
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:50,860
answer?

1507
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:55,060
Dave Jones: Do no two people who
have never been in my kitchen?

1508
01:40:55,060 --> 01:40:55,540
No.

1509
01:40:55,780 --> 01:40:56,800
Adam Curry: Dave Jackson,

1510
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,860
Dave Jones: no. Beautiful.

1511
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:03,000
Adam Curry: He says, This is
Sam, Dave just yeah, this is Sam

1512
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,180
speaking. I do not believe libs
will hire anyone for podcasting

1513
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:09,840
2.0 or add another tag, unless
Apple do they have Dave Jackson,

1514
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,380
who knows about podcasting two
point 2.0 and he left as Rob

1515
01:41:13,380 --> 01:41:16,620
wanted nothing to do with
podcasting 2.0 what has changed

1516
01:41:16,620 --> 01:41:20,240
since Dave left? Well, I didn't
actually talk about that, so I

1517
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,140
can't speak to that.

1518
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,660
Dave Jones: And one thing has
changed, less payroll.

1519
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:28,640
Adam Curry: 1000 stats from
Nomad Joe in Florida. Joy jokes

1520
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:36,800
on you. Okay? 3333 from Eric PP,
from the boost CLI, brewbery,

1521
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:40,600
Frankie Pate and myself will be
V for V Live streaming the NFT,

1522
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,900
MSP, culture convergence
festival starting tonight at 5pm

1523
01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:47,140
and throughout the weekend to
your favorite new podcast apps,

1524
01:41:47,140 --> 01:41:50,740
join and boost us for a full
weekend of art, music and

1525
01:41:50,740 --> 01:41:56,320
technology from the Bitcoin and
crypto community in min, I guess

1526
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:57,460
is Minnesota. Min,

1527
01:41:57,580 --> 01:41:58,780
Unknown: men got cut off.

1528
01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:03,720
Adam Curry: 3333 from cole
McCormick, RSS is really saving

1529
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:09,120
sovereignty. Oh, nice one. And
here comes salty crayon on curio

1530
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:15,360
caster, 2121 with the repeat of
Welcome to beef.com and 2121

1531
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,660
with a repeat. So he basically
Yes, it did come through on

1532
01:42:18,660 --> 01:42:23,660
curio caster, so it must not
have been reported. 1776 from

1533
01:42:23,660 --> 01:42:27,200
once told Kyle, cry havoc and
let loose the podcasting 2.0

1534
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,140
dogs of war on legacy
podcasting, who still think

1535
01:42:30,140 --> 01:42:32,720
Apple will be their Savior?
Apple doesn't care about

1536
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:36,080
podcasting anymore. Just ask
serial season four.

1537
01:42:37,460 --> 01:42:40,120
Unknown: Really, did they? What
do you mean? They

1538
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:40,780
Adam Curry: don't care.

1539
01:42:41,620 --> 01:42:43,420
Dave Jones: I think they care.
They didn't. Maybe they didn't

1540
01:42:43,420 --> 01:42:44,020
promote it, I

1541
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:45,280
Unknown: don't know. Maybe

1542
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:46,900
Adam Curry: D's laughs, I

1543
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:49,780
Dave Jones: did see something
about cereal season four, like

1544
01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:53,020
the creator of it, or the
producer of it, yeah, said that

1545
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,720
her own family didn't even know
that it had been released. There

1546
01:42:56,740 --> 01:42:59,500
Adam Curry: you go. There's a
lot of true crime these days.

1547
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:04,920
Sure is 777, from D's laughs it.
I'm glad to be on time for the

1548
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:11,280
board meeting for once. Thank
you. Chad f2 777, boosts. Salty

1549
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,880
crayon. Oh, this is all pre the
pre stream. I play songs before

1550
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:19,200
the show starts, before you get
here. 33 333. For Luke wood,

1551
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:24,260
Devil's hands. Sarah Jade, 1000
SATs from Chadha for Sarah Jade

1552
01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:27,320
on the priest room I played the
door, fulls. Another 1000 SATs.

1553
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:33,380
Salty crayon, 555, the row of
swans boosting diamonds by the

1554
01:43:33,380 --> 01:43:40,100
door. Fulls. Salty crayon, pew,
pew. And what is this? Salty

1555
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:43,660
crayon, 1776 Happy Labor Day
weekend. Boardroom, is it Labor

1556
01:43:43,660 --> 01:43:46,960
Day weekend? I guess it is it.
Is it is Adam. I know this is

1557
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,780
breaking the rules, but that
podcasting kit would be a good

1558
01:43:49,780 --> 01:43:53,020
pitch towards the people that
live stream. Emily Whitehurst of

1559
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,640
of survival guide, that's a
value verse artist, for example,

1560
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:00,240
live streams for music three
times a week on Twitch, if you

1561
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,300
have a great mic that not only
sounds great but looks awesome

1562
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:06,300
on camera, you have another
whole niche of people that would

1563
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:08,760
buy it, especially if anyone can
get their hands on it. Just a

1564
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,860
thought in the pipe, go
podcasting.

1565
01:44:11,460 --> 01:44:14,220
Dave Jones: Yeah. So how is the
curry one gonna be a is it gonna

1566
01:44:14,220 --> 01:44:15,600
be a beautiful mic to look at?
Oh,

1567
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,380
Adam Curry: it's gonna be so
beautiful. Okay, yes. Now it's a

1568
01:44:19,380 --> 01:44:23,000
spitter. That's a when you talk
into the two. But we're also

1569
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:28,640
going to do a valve mic. That'll
be a side talker has a whole

1570
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:29,300
strategy.

1571
01:44:29,900 --> 01:44:32,000
Dave Jones: I split the See, I
split the difference. I'm not

1572
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,000
straight on, but I'm not all the
way to the side. I'm like, at a

1573
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:40,720
45 aiming at me side of my
mouth, hook, tall. What do they

1574
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:41,200
call it? I'm

1575
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:43,120
Adam Curry: gonna call it the
hook, tall one. Yes,

1576
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:44,980
Unknown: the hooked. Yes.

1577
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:50,620
Adam Curry: I got you faxes,
yes, right? And we hit the

1578
01:44:50,620 --> 01:44:52,540
delimiter so you're up.

1579
01:44:53,620 --> 01:44:58,840
Dave Jones: We got Chris
bernardich. Chris did a $5 a

1580
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,740
month subscription to. Nice.
Thank you, Chris. I appreciate

1581
01:45:01,740 --> 01:45:03,000
Adam Curry: that. Brother. Very
cool.

1582
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,460
Dave Jones: And that is all the
one offs. Wow.

1583
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:09,960
Unknown: Okay, wow. Yeah, we're

1584
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:15,300
Dave Jones: really tearing it
up. See, let me resort this by

1585
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:20,180
oldest to newest so I can have
my sanity, and we'll do some

1586
01:45:20,180 --> 01:45:24,980
booths. So Brown of London, 11,
948, to cast O Matic,

1587
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:26,120
Unknown: nice episodes.fm.

1588
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,420
Dave Jones: Should not use the
should not use the GUID, because

1589
01:45:29,420 --> 01:45:32,420
that would mean actually putting
in some effort to look it up.

1590
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:36,140
Instead you base 64 the RSS Feed
URL straight from a pod ping,

1591
01:45:36,140 --> 01:45:38,840
because you can make it sound
like you're solving a cryptic

1592
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,180
puzzle from an ancient
civilization.

1593
01:45:41,180 --> 01:45:44,860
Adam Curry: Okay. Just tell me.
How is this working? How is it

1594
01:45:44,860 --> 01:45:47,980
happening? How is he doing it?
Doing, what

1595
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:49,780
Unknown: the lookups the he's

1596
01:45:49,780 --> 01:45:52,300
Adam Curry: not you, so he's not
using GUIDs. He's using

1597
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:58,060
Dave Jones: no because then,
then, you know, he's not using a

1598
01:45:58,060 --> 01:46:03,720
good because you have, he's you.
You don't have to do the res,

1599
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,700
the resolving. You can just do
it on the fly with and it

1600
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:11,460
doesn't really matter for that
type of service, because he's

1601
01:46:11,460 --> 01:46:18,360
not trying to find a canonical
show like in a way that links

1602
01:46:18,420 --> 01:46:21,800
things together. So for a
service like that, all that

1603
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,220
matters is you only need the
feed URL you don't know, okay,

1604
01:46:25,340 --> 01:46:28,100
like, resolve it back to a thing
and you

1605
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:30,620
Adam Curry: base 64 encode it,
just to get rid of all the

1606
01:46:30,620 --> 01:46:32,600
slashes, yeah,

1607
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:36,980
Dave Jones: right, yeah. Like,
you are URL encode. It's URL

1608
01:46:36,980 --> 01:46:41,380
safe, base 64 encoding. Yeah,
wow, sexy, yeah. Oh, it's nice,

1609
01:46:41,380 --> 01:46:45,160
uh, Mere Mortals. Kyron through
the fountain app. He says, Great

1610
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,160
song. Heard it on podcasting 2.0
V for v is the future. That's

1611
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:48,520
right.

1612
01:46:49,180 --> 01:46:50,080
Unknown: You got that straight.

1613
01:46:50,980 --> 01:46:56,920
Dave Jones: McDermott 622, 22
through true fans. McDermott six

1614
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,260
says, wanted to boost yesterday
while listening at the beach,

1615
01:46:59,260 --> 01:47:02,100
but didn't have any service, so
listening. So listened on a 1.0

1616
01:47:02,580 --> 01:47:04,860
app that had downloaded it
already. Thanks for everything

1617
01:47:04,860 --> 01:47:05,280
you guys do.

1618
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,400
Unknown: Got it, it happens.

1619
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,200
Dave Jones: It gave us the one
two punch. 1212 Yeah. G

1620
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,920
anonymous, 3400 SATs through
fountain. No note, thank you. G

1621
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,600
anonymous, appreciate that salty
crayon. Happy Labor Day,

1622
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,520
weekend, boardroom, did you
already get this? I

1623
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:23,600
Adam Curry: think I did. Yeah,

1624
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:26,240
Dave Jones: that was you must
have. Well, that was really

1625
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:27,740
early. That was really Yeah, you
must

1626
01:47:27,740 --> 01:47:29,240
Adam Curry: have comic strip.
Blogger. Next.

1627
01:47:32,660 --> 01:47:35,900
Dave Jones: Did you do see? You
did chat if I miss not seeing

1628
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:37,880
all my PC, 2.0 friends.

1629
01:47:41,900 --> 01:47:45,040
Unknown: I don't think I read
that one. No,

1630
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,640
Dave Jones: I'm confused as to
the Order, order of operations

1631
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:52,780
here. Oh, this is okay, 24 Okay,
guys, I see where I'm at. Chad.

1632
01:47:52,780 --> 01:47:56,320
S is 3333 through fountain. He
says I miss not seeing all my PC

1633
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:00,420
2.0 and no agenda, friends. Now
that fountain added noster. I

1634
01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:03,300
know, I know it will get fixed,
but even during beta testing, I

1635
01:48:03,300 --> 01:48:06,060
was still using the pre noster
version, so I could see what

1636
01:48:06,060 --> 01:48:09,000
people were saying about what
they were listening to. But now

1637
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,240
it's just noster bros. So sad
face. So I

1638
01:48:14,460 --> 01:48:19,620
Adam Curry: so it turns out I
think that you can zap a show

1639
01:48:19,620 --> 01:48:23,660
from nostr and then the splits
are handled by

1640
01:48:24,620 --> 01:48:25,880
Unknown: fountain somehow.

1641
01:48:27,980 --> 01:48:29,300
Adam Curry: So it splits it up,

1642
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,960
Dave Jones: I don't know not,
uh, so Oscar said that they have

1643
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:37,220
a crash bug in their audio
engine and, and I've seen that

1644
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,480
for sure, of not, uh, fountains
been crashing like, oh,

1645
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,300
Adam Curry: any problems? I have
no problems with the new

1646
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:44,500
fountain. Works fine,

1647
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,560
Dave Jones: interesting. It it
has crap. Maybe it's because I'm

1648
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:48,700
on test flight. Well, I'm

1649
01:48:48,700 --> 01:48:51,580
Adam Curry: on Android, so who
knows what you're using compared

1650
01:48:51,580 --> 01:48:51,760
to

1651
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,960
Dave Jones: maybe so because my
my fountain has been like, it's

1652
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,780
been crashing in the background
just by waking up and doing

1653
01:48:58,780 --> 01:49:03,180
background checks. Oh, that
sucks. I've been waiting for. He

1654
01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:05,640
said he thinks they got it fixed
and they're about to push out

1655
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:07,500
Adam Curry: a fix. Yeah, no,
when I say, I hate that. I hate

1656
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:10,920
it for Oscar, because that's
sucky bug to have, yeah.

1657
01:49:11,580 --> 01:49:14,340
Dave Jones: So I hope to get a
little bit more experience with

1658
01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:17,280
what he's done here soon so I
can talk intelligently about it.

1659
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:21,380
Gene bean, 2222 through cast O
Matic. He says, I wonder if

1660
01:49:21,380 --> 01:49:24,560
maybe podcasting 2.0 the people
involved, not necessarily this

1661
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:28,160
show, could have a booth and a
general presence at scale this

1662
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:32,180
coming year. It'd be a great
fit. Audience wise, HTTPS,

1663
01:49:32,180 --> 01:49:35,420
colon, slash, slash, www, dot
social, Linux

1664
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:42,160
Adam Curry: expo.org, let's send
Dame Jennifer booth. Babe, yes,

1665
01:49:42,220 --> 01:49:47,140
you're up. Dame, Jen, you're up.
Hi, have you heard about

1666
01:49:47,140 --> 01:49:52,960
podcasting 2.0 I'm Jen. We need
a bat. She needs a badge. Hi,

1667
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,060
I'm Jen. Ask me about podcasting
2.0

1668
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,480
Dave Jones: in a basket full of
buttons, yeah, large buttons,

1669
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:04,800
yeah, and a T shirt. Cannon,
walk up to the booth. It's like

1670
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:08,760
you get a FA you get a cannon t
shirt.

1671
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:13,500
Adam Curry: Sorry, Jen, we love
you. A boost. Babe, yeah, that's

1672
01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:14,700
right. Chad, boost. Babe,

1673
01:50:15,420 --> 01:50:16,020
Unknown: that's right.

1674
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:23,840
Dave Jones: Pothome, 50,000
SATs. Whoa. Nice. To podcast

1675
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,280
guru. He says, This is our This
is Barry. Barry, Dutch master.

1676
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:31,520
Dutch master. Barry says
podhome.fm the most modern

1677
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,940
podcast hosting company, would
be honored to be included in the

1678
01:50:34,940 --> 01:50:38,960
podcasting starter pack. Give
six months and give six months

1679
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,740
free hosting for podcasters. Go
podcast. You know, what's

1680
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:45,820
Adam Curry: been amazing, hold
on podcasting. Almost every

1681
01:50:45,820 --> 01:50:48,400
single company has reached out
to me. Said, yeah, we'd love to

1682
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,920
offer that. We'd love to be a
part of the starter pack.

1683
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,020
Unknown: That's great. Yeah, it
is.

1684
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,840
Adam Curry: You know, all
varying offers. But you know,

1685
01:50:56,260 --> 01:50:59,380
Dvorak's telling me, shut up,
stop promoting it. It's going to

1686
01:50:59,380 --> 01:51:02,700
take a few months, so you better
have it done by Christmas, bro.

1687
01:51:03,420 --> 01:51:04,140
Bruh.

1688
01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:04,980
Unknown: Bruh,

1689
01:51:05,580 --> 01:51:08,160
Dave Jones: yeah, six months
free hosting. That's that's

1690
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,800
Adam Curry: pretty good. That's
good. That's good. Do

1691
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:14,460
Dave Jones: I hear a year to get
the gauntlet has been laid

1692
01:51:14,460 --> 01:51:14,880
right? It

1693
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,260
Adam Curry: has been the slap
down.

1694
01:51:17,340 --> 01:51:20,540
Dave Jones: Gene Everett, 1234,
through fountain says, noster

1695
01:51:20,540 --> 01:51:26,240
sucks. Not really happy seeing
this, not really happy seeing

1696
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,780
this move by fountain. Oh, well,
well, give it a shot lifting.

1697
01:51:29,780 --> 01:51:30,200
But yeah,

1698
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,720
Adam Curry: really give it a
shot. Let's, let's see how it

1699
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:36,620
shakes out, you know, and get
activity, bridge, pub, bridge

1700
01:51:36,620 --> 01:51:39,860
and stuff. Let's see how it
works out. I'm, I'm withholding

1701
01:51:39,860 --> 01:51:40,840
my own comment.

1702
01:51:41,860 --> 01:51:44,260
Dave Jones: I'm not going to say
anything critical about nostr

1703
01:51:44,260 --> 01:51:47,140
until I get my own activity. Pub
stuff fixed.

1704
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:48,220
Adam Curry: Good point.

1705
01:51:48,460 --> 01:51:50,860
Dave Jones: That is very
hypocritical. Yeah. Good point.

1706
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:55,300
McDermott, six back again, 2222
says wanted to boost yesterday.

1707
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:58,600
Well, it was the same boost. Why
we get that twice? He double. He

1708
01:51:58,600 --> 01:51:59,440
did a double,

1709
01:51:59,620 --> 01:52:01,680
Unknown: double, double boost,
yeah. Uh,

1710
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:05,700
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals.
Chiron, 111, satchel. Richards,

1711
01:52:05,700 --> 01:52:09,660
who fountain. He says the future
of media is small. Yes. Thank

1712
01:52:09,660 --> 01:52:12,540
you. Adam, you just encapsulated
my jumbled thoughts into a

1713
01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:15,480
simple, simple sentence,
stealing this for future use

1714
01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:15,600
now,

1715
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:18,480
Adam Curry: please. It's open
source. Go for it. I'll make a

1716
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:20,660
I'll make a GitHub entry. Check

1717
01:52:20,660 --> 01:52:27,140
Dave Jones: the GitHub repo.
That's right. See, Andrew, maybe

1718
01:52:27,140 --> 01:52:31,340
Andrew Grumman, see, he said
2222 through the wherever app.

1719
01:52:31,340 --> 01:52:35,300
That's gross. Maybe it was a
cigarette. Enjoyed hearing James

1720
01:52:35,300 --> 01:52:38,360
in the board meeting in
reference to Episode 189, AP in

1721
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:41,440
umbilical is intriguing. We'll
have to take a look at AP,

1722
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:42,040
peace,

1723
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:45,340
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Ed Grumman
on the case. Careful, everybody.

1724
01:52:45,340 --> 01:52:46,540
That guy invents stuff.

1725
01:52:48,340 --> 01:52:51,100
Dave Jones: Kyron again, through
mere mortals. Podcast, through

1726
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:54,160
fountain, 1111, he says, No.
Meetings is the secret to a good

1727
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:59,380
life. We've been we've been
misled by eight hours of sleep,

1728
01:52:59,500 --> 01:53:03,360
clean, food, outdoors, exercise
and a loving family, yeah,

1729
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,040
Unknown: yes, yes, yes,

1730
01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:10,440
Dave Jones: let's see I lost my
play. Oh, Chris, last here we

1731
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:14,040
go. Chris from Jupiter, from
Jupiter, broadcasting 20,000

1732
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:17,040
Adam Curry: sets the fountain.
Hey, nice. Thank you, Chris,

1733
01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:19,380
Dave Jones: he says, sending a
little love from the new

1734
01:53:19,380 --> 01:53:21,740
fountain update. Well, thank
you, Chris, appreciate that

1735
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:22,460
Unknown: nice,

1736
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:26,180
Adam Curry: great show this week
in Bitcoin. I love that show,

1737
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,020
Dave Jones: yeah. Everything he
does is high quality, yeah, it

1738
01:53:30,020 --> 01:53:30,200
is.

1739
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:33,920
Adam Curry: I hope people boost
him. Boost him. Keep that show

1740
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:34,760
alive. People

1741
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:39,620
Dave Jones: comment straight.
Blogger delimiter, 26,000 SAS

1742
01:53:39,860 --> 01:53:46,360
fountain, he says, howdy,
Bitcoin bros Adam and Dave. This

1743
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,000
time, I'd like to recommend a
financial podcast from

1744
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:55,900
www.dhunplugged.com by my Slavic
bro, Dvorak and his Jewish

1745
01:53:55,900 --> 01:54:00,400
friend from Florida, financial
advisor Andrew Horowitz. Yo,

1746
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:06,120
sincerely, your fellow Bitcoin
bro. CSB, PS Adam, could you

1747
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:09,060
tell your podcast bro Dvorak to
implement at least one

1748
01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:12,720
podcasting 2.0 feature
transcripts? It's vital because

1749
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,160
of LLM revolution.

1750
01:54:15,780 --> 01:54:19,980
Adam Curry: Okay, I have
actually reached out to

1751
01:54:19,980 --> 01:54:23,840
Horowitz, and he's on he's on a
trip right now, and then I'll be

1752
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,960
on a trip next week, and we get
back together, and I'm gonna see

1753
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,120
if I can help him get some 2.0
features

1754
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:33,020
Dave Jones: going into DH en
Bloo, yeah, of course. Can they

1755
01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:34,520
start by just getting off
Feedburner?

1756
01:54:34,820 --> 01:54:37,880
Adam Curry: I think he's off
feed burner. He said that he was

1757
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:38,900
off feed burner.

1758
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,620
Dave Jones: Let me just check
right yeah, I'm gonna check

1759
01:54:41,620 --> 01:54:41,980
right now.

1760
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:46,180
Adam Curry: Just check right
now. Let's see, yep, you got it?

1761
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,100
You going in? Delving in? Are

1762
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:51,580
Unknown: you doing going in
February? Select this.

1763
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,720
Dave Jones: Select asterisk from
feeds, where equal let's see

1764
01:54:55,720 --> 01:55:05,340
DHM, plug.com/feed, that looks.
Like it goes to power press. No,

1765
01:55:05,340 --> 01:55:05,580
Unknown: there

1766
01:55:05,580 --> 01:55:06,660
Adam Curry: you go. Yeah,

1767
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:09,540
Dave Jones: you did it. He did
it successfully. If they got, if

1768
01:55:09,540 --> 01:55:10,620
they got power press,

1769
01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:11,940
Adam Curry: then he's good to
go. He's

1770
01:55:11,940 --> 01:55:14,160
Unknown: got the namespace. He's
got everything in there. What's

1771
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:15,420
Adam Curry: wrong with you?
Horowitz,

1772
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,640
Dave Jones: hey, wait a second.
Look at this. I'm looking at

1773
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:20,060
this feed right now. Let me, let
me just give you a rundown. Oh

1774
01:55:20,060 --> 01:55:25,700
boy, the DH unplugged feed has,
and I quote from the feed,

1775
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:28,520
Unknown: the feed,

1776
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,800
Dave Jones: podcast colon
license tag, podcast, podcast

1777
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:39,500
colon medium, oh, podcast colon,
pod ping uses pod ping equal

1778
01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:46,240
true, where the items I'm
looking, looking for items. He's

1779
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,540
got, they got a lot of 2.0 tags
in here now. Oh, okay,

1780
01:55:49,540 --> 01:55:52,540
Unknown: well, that's good,
yeah, uh,

1781
01:55:52,540 --> 01:55:58,840
Dave Jones: Podcast, episode
tag, podcast GUID, oh, man,

1782
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,080
they're fully they're 2.0
complying all the way

1783
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:03,300
Adam Curry: down. But he doesn't
have a transcript yet, though,

1784
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:08,100
Unknown: negative, okay, yeah,

1785
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,340
Dave Jones: okay. It doesn't
have the useful ones, just the

1786
01:56:11,340 --> 01:56:11,580
ones.

1787
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,600
Adam Curry: But hey, it's the
start. Uh, good, good, good,

1788
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:17,700
good, good. Okay, I'll be
talking to him. We'll take he's

1789
01:56:17,700 --> 01:56:18,120
even got

1790
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:21,800
Dave Jones: the podcast license
tag 20. The podcast license that

1791
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:25,100
he's declared is 2022 plus.
Don't know what that means,

1792
01:56:25,100 --> 01:56:25,400
okay,

1793
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:26,540
Unknown: but he's good to go.

1794
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:31,820
Dave Jones: We'll get there.
Baby steps, yeah, monthly, okay?

1795
01:56:31,820 --> 01:56:36,800
Michael Kimmerer, $5.33 Thank
you trip. Scott, $15 thank you.

1796
01:56:36,860 --> 01:56:39,260
Pedro gun calvis, $5 and that's
our group.

1797
01:56:39,740 --> 01:56:42,460
Adam Curry: Uh, thank you all
very much for supporting the

1798
01:56:42,460 --> 01:56:45,820
podcast index, because that's
what it all goes towards.

1799
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:49,360
Podcastindex.org, you can go to
that website if you're listening

1800
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,580
right now. Go down to the
bottom. There's a Donate button,

1801
01:56:51,580 --> 01:56:55,360
a big red one. You hit that and
you can send us some PayPal or

1802
01:56:55,540 --> 01:56:59,380
we recommend a modern podcast
app, podcast apps.com, and send

1803
01:56:59,380 --> 01:57:01,980
us a boost. We'll read it on the
air. We're happy to do so. And

1804
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:05,940
thank you so much for supporting
this podcast. None of the money

1805
01:57:05,940 --> 01:57:09,420
goes to Adam and Dave stays on
the node. The Bitcoin we use

1806
01:57:09,420 --> 01:57:13,680
that if you need liquidity, hit
me up. Adama curry, calm, and we

1807
01:57:13,740 --> 01:57:19,320
just keep a nice cache of cash
so that when when everyone stops

1808
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,760
caring about us, the index will
continue on for many years in

1809
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:23,360
the future.

1810
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,120
Unknown: Yep, that would be the
idea.

1811
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:31,460
Adam Curry: All right, so I'm
off to Mexico on Monday, and

1812
01:57:31,460 --> 01:57:35,060
then Friday, I will be doing a
board meeting. What are you

1813
01:57:35,060 --> 01:57:35,840
doing this weekend?

1814
01:57:37,220 --> 01:57:40,180
Dave Jones: Brother? See, it's
Labor Day weekend. I've got to

1815
01:57:40,180 --> 01:57:43,060
put a radiator in my daughter's
Nissan. Oh,

1816
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:44,440
Adam Curry: sexy, nice.

1817
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:46,780
Dave Jones: Oh, let me tell you
what I let me tell you what I

1818
01:57:46,780 --> 01:57:47,200
did. You'll

1819
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,420
Adam Curry: be wrenching. You'll
be wrenching this weekend.

1820
01:57:50,260 --> 01:57:54,040
Dave Jones: So this is, this is
how I consistently shoot myself

1821
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:58,840
in the foot last Sunday. And she
brought it over to do for me. To

1822
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:03,540
do an oil change. Change the
oil. Things look great. Checked

1823
01:58:03,540 --> 01:58:09,120
her radiator fluids a little
low, top that off. And then,

1824
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:13,980
when I was crawling up under
there to put the to put the oil

1825
01:58:13,980 --> 01:58:18,360
filter in, I noticed that the
bumper, her front bumper, was,

1826
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:22,100
this is like a 2008 Nissan
Xterra. Yeah, the front bumper

1827
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:25,400
had a has some screw holes with
screws were missing. So it was

1828
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,140
not, it was kind of flopping
around

1829
01:58:28,460 --> 01:58:31,640
Unknown: like a jalopy. You got
a jalopy?

1830
01:58:32,660 --> 01:58:35,540
Dave Jones: I'm like, hey, if
she wants a nice car she bought

1831
01:58:35,540 --> 01:58:40,280
or something. So I'm like, so
I'm like, I just, you know, it

1832
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:43,540
didn't look bad. You just kind
of just kind of, I'll just, I'll

1833
01:58:43,540 --> 01:58:44,320
just put a screw

1834
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,800
Adam Curry: in there. Yeah,
yeah, exactly what I thought to

1835
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:48,640
the radiator,

1836
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:50,740
Dave Jones: didn't you? And I
put three screws at the bottom

1837
01:58:50,740 --> 01:58:51,460
of the radiator.

1838
01:58:53,380 --> 01:58:54,280
Unknown: Good work.

1839
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,760
Dave Jones: So she calls me the
next day. She's like, man, Dad,

1840
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,480
my car's overheating. I don't
know what's going on. I get

1841
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:03,960
there, and I'm like, I was like,
Oh man, that's weird. So I'm

1842
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:07,140
like, it's low on fluid, so I
start pouring fluid in, and came

1843
01:59:07,140 --> 01:59:07,620
right back.

1844
01:59:08,700 --> 01:59:10,980
Adam Curry: So where did you get
the radio? You pick up a second

1845
01:59:10,980 --> 01:59:14,580
hand radiator. You bought one on
Amazon. How does that work? No,

1846
01:59:14,580 --> 01:59:14,760
my

1847
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,640
Dave Jones: dad works for Napa.
Oh, nice.

1848
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,500
Adam Curry: Oh, very good. Very
good. Yeah, you gotta, you got a

1849
01:59:21,500 --> 01:59:23,180
family member in the biz. Love

1850
01:59:23,180 --> 01:59:25,400
Dave Jones: it. So now I gotta
fix the problem that I created

1851
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:26,960
for myself. Yay. All right,
everybody.

1852
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:29,000
Adam Curry: That's what we do
here. We fix the problems we

1853
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,240
create for ourselves. It is
podcasting 2.0 we are the

1854
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:34,940
official board meeting of
podcasting. 2.0 Thank you,

1855
01:59:34,940 --> 01:59:37,400
boardroom. You guys were great
today. We'll see you next

1856
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:40,100
Friday, right here on podcasting
2.0 you

1857
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:59,140
Unknown: it You have been
listening to podcasting 2.0

1858
02:00:00,180 --> 02:00:04,440
Visit podcast index.org for more
information. Go

1859
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:08,100
Adam Curry: podcasting. You've
been very dumpy, dear. Really

1860
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:08,220
you.