Episode 200: Sub Cubit

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Podcasting 2.0 for November 15, 2024, episode

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200, subcubits.

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Well, hello, everybody, we made it.

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We made it to our 200th anniversary.

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Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. We are the

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only boardroom that develops election changing technologies.

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That's right.

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Go visit any other boardroom.

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They can't do it.

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We're going to discuss everything going on with

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podcasting's past, future, and present.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who never clutches his pearls.

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He just hates it.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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Okay, this computer does suck.

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I agree with you.

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I relent.

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I just tried to resize a window in

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Unity and it's like, I wish you could

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see what this is.

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What is Unity?

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What is Unity?

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That's, uh, oh, that's the Ubuntu, the latest

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Ubuntu.

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Well, I just called Ubuntu.

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They called it Unity.

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Well, it's, it's the, it's their UI, their

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windowing system.

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Let me see if I can take a

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video of this nonsense.

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For the show notes.

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Carefully take a screenshot.

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It might automatically reboot.

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This is, this is what I'm currently seeing.

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Let me see if I can send you

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this.

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So wait a minute.

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Is this going to hamper the, uh, the

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rest of the, uh, of the program or

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do we have to, do we have to,

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no, I'm a professional.

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I can, I can cope.

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Oh, you're, you're a pro podcaster right here.

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That's wonderful.

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It's good to be back with everybody in

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the boardroom to those checking in live.

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We are live and lit as all, well,

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not always on Fridays, almost every Friday.

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Um, we, we took a week off last

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week.

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I said, Dave went to hunting for bear.

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I went, uh, yes.

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Scat retrieval in the, uh, in the forest.

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What is this?

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What is, what is, what is going on

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with you?

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Oh my God.

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Oh, you're screaming.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That looks like a video driver issue.

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I know.

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No, no, no.

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The issue at the end of that clip,

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I think the issue is that ball of

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spaghetti behind your screen.

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Oh, oh, all the work.

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You don't understand how little desk space I

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have to work with.

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I wonder why my video was all fuzzy,

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dude.

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You've got, it must have 18 roll.

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I can see ethernet.

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I see the, what is that a VGA

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adapter just hanging loose.

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Yeah, that's a naughty.

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That was not even being used.

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It's just a standby.

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It's a, it's a hot, it's a hot

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cable in case I need to do a

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hot swap.

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A hot swap.

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Is that a VGA?

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What is that?

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Oh, I've got every, I got one of

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everything back there.

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This, the debt, the depth of this desk

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is only from my middle fingertip to, to

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let, it doesn't even go to my elbow,

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to my elbow.

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It's less than a cubit.

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It's less than a cubit.

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That's a proper cubit.

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Yes.

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In the, if we're, if we're using a

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Noah arc metrics, this is less than one

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cubit.

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It's sub cubit.

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Got it.

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Yeah.

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So I have zero room on this thing

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and there's a, there's a UPS behind it.

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Let me ask you though, in this, in

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this house where you live, um, so you

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have less than a cubit of desk space.

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Does Melissa by any chance have a nice

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closet?

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She has two art studios.

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And I have a, I have sub, I'm

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left with sub cubitness.

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Yeah.

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Sub cubit.

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Yeah.

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I know how that goes.

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I have, so we have a nice, a

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nice walk-in closet.

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I have one of the short sides.

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It's a rectangle.

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So I have one little short side and

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the rest is not my domain.

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No, no.

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You get, you only get what's necessary for

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your, for you.

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Or what is deemed necessary for you.

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Deemed.

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Yes.

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You don't get an actual say in anything.

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You're not in the board meeting that have,

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they're not in the meeting.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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We're celebrating.

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We are celebrating episode number 200 of the

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boardroom.

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We are now, yes, we are in our

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fourth year.

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Will this be our fourth or fifth year?

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We're in our fifth year.

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Fifth year.

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We started in 2020.

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So, right.

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So that's one, two, three, four.

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Yeah.

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We're in our fifth year.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Let me blow the horn.

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Blow it again.

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Yeah, that's good.

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It's good, man.

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It's good.

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Well, and look at what we've achieved.

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Everybody look at what we have achieved.

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It's amazing.

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Hey, the boost bot, the boost bot is

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a functioning.

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Look what we've achieved.

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We've achieved, uh, Albi hub is Albi, a

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hosted wallet is shutting down.

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And so we're going to have to like

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recreate everything from scratch.

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That's what we've achieved.

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Good work, everybody.

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Yeah.

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We could start there.

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Um, I got that email.

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I just saw the email myself.

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So, uh, and that's January 5th, if I'm

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correct, everybody has to either move to Albi

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hub, which costs 10,000 sats a month.

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So that's about nine bucks at their current

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prices, which is worse.

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It's actually, it's actually worse than that though,

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because it says that's the price for three

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months.

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And then it, and then it goes to

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25,000.

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Oh, it's an introductory what is an introductory

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25.

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Oh, that's too much.

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That was what I, that was what I

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saw this morning.

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Let me, let me get back in.

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That seems too much.

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Um, I mean, maybe they haven't adjusted for

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the recent run in sats and the recent

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Bitcoin crazy run.

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Hmm.

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Oh my gosh.

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This captcha, this captcha is so bad.

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Please click on the character that is not

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used for counting or writing words.

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Uh, dog, parrot, which whose has this captcha.

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What captcha is this?

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It's on Albi.

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Okay.

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I got, I got through it.

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I got through it.

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Uh, log code.

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I was just going to, I was going

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to try to just make sure that, well,

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the bottom line is, you know, we have

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to move towards, um, towards the, the proposed

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solution.

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And, uh, we just have to, we have

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to do it.

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We have to move forward.

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Otherwise, um, you know, it just gets more

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painful.

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What, what is your understanding of the proposed

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solution?

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My understanding is somehow we created a, an

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OAuth to strike and everybody's happy.

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Right.

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But it works with fountain and it works

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with, uh, other things without 10,500 sets

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a month for three, three months intro offer.

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Then it goes to 21,000.

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That's, that's, that's a lot of money.

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I mean, what's 21,000 cents?

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About 19 bucks a month currently.

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Goodness gracious.

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That's pretty expensive.

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That's more than a, and do you get

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liquidity with that or you have to open

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a channel then as well?

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Yeah, you get, yeah, you get liquidity.

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You get all that.

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I mean, that's.

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So that's just a no, that's a non

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-starter.

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So we need, we need to, we need

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to get this OAuth thing with the strike

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fixed, but what, what will it take?

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And Oscar, I know Oscar's busy, so I'm

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not blaming him for not coming through, but

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I'm not blaming him for not coming through,

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dropping the ball, dropping the ball.

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I mean, it's like a bowling ball on

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my foot, but no, it's okay.

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Not, not blaming him, not blaming him, not

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blaming him.

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Hey, by the way, there's Sam Sethi.

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Thank God true fans wallet is free and

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you get sets when you join.

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That's true.

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Yeah, it's absolutely true.

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It's absolutely true.

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So someone's got to, someone's got to make

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a move here.

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That's all I can say.

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I can't do it.

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I wish I could.

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I wish I could.

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It's going to have to be, it's going

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to have to be a bigger, I mean

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like for the hosted wallet stuff, it's going

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to have to be a bigger solution.

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It's going to have to be somebody like

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strike because it just can't like the smaller,

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the smaller entities like Ellen pay and Albie,

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they just, they're not, they, I loved him.

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I love the guys at Albie, but they

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just, they, they're, they don't have the staying

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power, like the stability of pricing and the

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stability of like just being around to do

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it.

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This necessary.

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So just briefly then it was going to

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be bolt 11 invoices.

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Was that it?

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If I can't really remember exactly, it's been

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a while.

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Yeah.

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Just, I mean, just dropping in the strike

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API.

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Let's just make that work.

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If we can make that work and if

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it can send the payments and my node

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can receive it without too much hassle.

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I'll, I'll do it.

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I'll make, I'll make the demo.

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Dave is not busy enough.

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I know this for a fact.

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I know you, you have so much time

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and December is a very slow month for

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you, so it's going to be great.

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It's going to be great.

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Yeah.

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I feel like, I feel like if I

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spent 72 hours, 72 hours is just Mike

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knowing you, I think 72 hours.

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Three.

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Yeah.

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Three days.

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A weekend plus a Monday.

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I, I, I agree with cotton gin.

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I think I should step aside for the

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enthusiasm you're exuding at this moment.

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It is slapping me in the face like

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a, like a wet salmon.

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It is beautiful.

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Oh yeah.

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I like a wet salmon.

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Yeah.

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The, uh, it, I don't, I don't want

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to do it just because I'm so busy

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with this other project, but I, but I

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feel like it's gonna, their, their, their documentation

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is pretty good.

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Uh, and like their, their, um, developer docs

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are pretty good.

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So I feel, I feel like it's just,

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I don't know.

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I don't, I don't think it's going to

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be a monumental task to just come up

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with some demo code, uh, like a little

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test site that shows how to do it.

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I'll rub your feet while you're doing it.

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I'll do anything you want.

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You know, me, I just, I don't have

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any capability.

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I'm frustrated by it.

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You know, it's like, uh, yeah, I was

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trying Pearl the other day and I just

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hated it so much.

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Pearl.

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Oh, don't get me up.

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Please don't get me started.

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Where were you using Pearl?

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Uh, we, it's, we get production code, this

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at the office.

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It's, it's, it's just one of the, like

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Pearl is just the worst language ever.

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Is that something you developed years ago and

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it's still in your life?

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Yeah.

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It's, you know, it's for reporting.

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And so it's not really user facing stuff.

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You know, it's all just sort of like,

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um, it never touches a human being other

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than me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's where most, I mean, these days

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that's where most Pearl lives.

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Cause it's actually very good at reporting.

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It's great.

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It takes manipulation, but the problem is I

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only deal with it like once or twice

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a year.

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And by the time I get back around

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to making some adjustments to it, I've completely

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forgotten how to, I had to relearn Pearl

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from scratch all over again.

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Um, it's got these, the worst thing about

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it is it's got these hidden variables.

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So if you're in, like, if you're in

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like a for loop or a while loop

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or something like that, it sets all these

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hidden variables that only exist inside the loop.

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And so there's like, there's a lot of

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just unspoken things that Pearl, like, you know,

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what's that website?

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It's like Pearl gurus or something like that.

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Let me check my bookmarks.

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Pearl Monks.

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That's it.

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Pearl Monks.

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Yeah.

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The big Pearl website is called Pearl Monks,

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like M O N K.

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And that's true.

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It's, it's like you have to, sometimes it's

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so arcane.

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You have to like walk up the thousand

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stairs to the top of the mountain and

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ask one of the wise men, Hey sir,

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how do I, uh, how do I assign

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a multidimensional hash?

393
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Well, you have to use this, uh, it's

394
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like, uh, it's just too much.

395
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It's too, they wave some incense around you

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and then hold on a second.

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We have to, we have to, we have

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to bless you before you can complete this

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task.

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Yes.

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Now, however, I'll work, I'll work on the

402
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strike.

403
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Well, you're, you're a beautiful man.

404
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Thank you.

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Do you smell what I smell in the

406
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air?

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Uh, I smell cashews right now.

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I smell freedom.

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The free, I smell freedom in the air

410
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somehow.

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I'm walking outside something after this election, something

412
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feels different.

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Have you interacted with other human beings outside

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of your home and office?

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Uh, no more than usual.

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It just feels like, feels like something's in

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the air.

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People like they're, they're a little more optimistic

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in general.

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I feel like it was a, uh, yeah,

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we haven't talked since the election cause that

422
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was, no, we haven't.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I feel bad for you that your candidate

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lost.

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I really do.

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I mean, there's some people like there's some

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people that, uh, are very upset, very, very

430
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upset.

431
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Yeah.

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Um, and, and I mean, that's in those

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feelings are real.

434
00:14:00,230 --> 00:14:00,570
Yeah.

435
00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:03,050
Feelings are absolutely real.

436
00:14:03,390 --> 00:14:06,310
The, the, I mean, we, you want to

437
00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:08,390
do a on the podcast election?

438
00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:09,570
Well, I have a clip.

439
00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:12,910
Do you think his appearance on Joe Rogan's

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popular podcast helped cement him with this new

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coalition of Republican voters?

442
00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:20,290
This is CBS news.

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00:14:20,590 --> 00:14:22,370
Well, if we're thinking about that coalition is

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containing young white men under 30, it also

445
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contains a young Latino men and young black

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men, but it, but he did particularly well

447
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among young white voters under 30.

448
00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:34,110
I think it's Joe Rogan.

449
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:35,730
I think it's all the podcasts that he

450
00:14:35,730 --> 00:14:38,330
went on and his general aspect and response

451
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to kind of the norms and the fussiness

452
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of elites and, um, and you know, experts

453
00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:46,490
and all of that, which has been his

454
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thorough message for years.

455
00:14:48,630 --> 00:14:51,110
2008 was the YouTube election, right?

456
00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:53,310
And the blog election, this was clearly the

457
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podcast.

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00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:55,610
And by fussiness of the leads, do you

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00:14:55,610 --> 00:14:57,830
mean fact-checking by people who do what

460
00:14:57,830 --> 00:14:58,510
we do for a living?

461
00:14:58,690 --> 00:14:59,590
Oh, absolutely.

462
00:15:00,010 --> 00:15:02,850
I mean, that's, um, absolutely, you know, and

463
00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:04,530
thank you for the clarification, Mark.

464
00:15:06,430 --> 00:15:08,950
It's an important point.

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00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:10,430
Who's this guy?

466
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:11,150
Who's the guy?

467
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I don't know.

468
00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:14,330
Some, some Jamoke CBS news guy.

469
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Consumer put it right in your vein, messaging,

470
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whatever you want to say.

471
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Right.

472
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:19,730
I mean, there used to be, you had

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to clear a threshold of, you know, 60

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minutes.

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He, he didn't do 60 minutes, but he

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did the podcast that fed right into this

477
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constituency.

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I can so remember occurring George W.

479
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Bush, who, who would say, you guys are

480
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just the filter.

481
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Donald Trump has found a way to surpass

482
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the filter.

483
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And as you said, just get directly into

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the veins of his supporters.

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So I do want to remind, that's a

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great impression.

487
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:49,570
This is a reminder of this is a

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over a year ago, Robert F.

489
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Kennedy Jr. said the following.

490
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If I talked about what I was thinking

491
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about, it would have, I would have been

492
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deplatformed.

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But once Elon took over, I started, you

494
00:16:01,130 --> 00:16:03,490
know, they, they, they unshackled me.

495
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And, um, but also I think this is

496
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going to be this year is going to

497
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be the political campaign that will be decided

498
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on by podcasts.

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And particularly because the candidates are not wanting

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to debate.

501
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So I'm not only not, not only is

502
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Biden not debating, but I think Trump may

503
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not debate.

504
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Um, and, uh, um, so I think people

505
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like me are going to end up going

506
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to, are going to, you know, we're going

507
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to really test whether these podcasts and, you

508
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know, I was talking about.

509
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So I would love to spike the ball

510
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here.

511
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:45,010
I would love to be going around.

512
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Yeah, podcasting did it.

513
00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:50,610
I'll, I would say we get 60%

514
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credits because the, a lot of the, now

515
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I wish I had the numbers.

516
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Nobody has the numbers.

517
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Nobody really knows.

518
00:17:00,810 --> 00:17:02,870
I know a lot of people listen to

519
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:05,349
Joe Rogan, to the audio podcasts.

520
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There's the, uh, without a doubt, the YouTube

521
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video, which was hard to search for initially,

522
00:17:14,130 --> 00:17:15,569
which it should be the writing on the

523
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wall for everybody.

524
00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:19,210
If you remember when he did the, the,

525
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uh, the podcast with Trump.

526
00:17:20,810 --> 00:17:21,250
Yeah.

527
00:17:21,250 --> 00:17:22,270
I experienced that too.

528
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Cause I did, I I'm not subscribed to

529
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Rogan.

530
00:17:26,190 --> 00:17:28,370
So I went, but I didn't want to

531
00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:29,270
see that sit down.

532
00:17:29,330 --> 00:17:31,670
I wanted to see all the candidates being

533
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interviewed.

534
00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:34,970
And so I went to, and, and I

535
00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:36,770
went, tried to search for it and I

536
00:17:36,770 --> 00:17:38,670
couldn't find the full, all I found was

537
00:17:38,670 --> 00:17:39,030
clips.

538
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:42,150
I couldn't find the full episode until I,

539
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:44,310
until I went and I, I forgot what,

540
00:17:44,490 --> 00:17:47,150
I forgot what magic phrase I used to

541
00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:49,030
finally find it, but it was not, you

542
00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:50,570
know, if you just put in Rogan, Trump

543
00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:53,550
interview or whatever, you did not come back.

544
00:17:53,770 --> 00:17:55,430
So that should be the writing on the

545
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:55,730
wall.

546
00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:59,510
And you just said it without sub subconsciously,

547
00:17:59,510 --> 00:18:01,290
you said, I wanted to see all the

548
00:18:01,290 --> 00:18:01,690
candidates.

549
00:18:01,690 --> 00:18:03,670
And I think that this was much more

550
00:18:03,670 --> 00:18:07,870
a, um, more about video.

551
00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:11,390
And I'm sure that most people watch Trump,

552
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:16,130
JD Vance, um, uh, Kamala Harris on call

553
00:18:16,130 --> 00:18:16,530
her daddy.

554
00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:18,090
I'm sure that was much more of a

555
00:18:18,090 --> 00:18:19,130
visual experience.

556
00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:24,590
It's interesting though, because, uh, Joe texted me,

557
00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:26,930
I'm sorry, let me pick up that name.

558
00:18:26,970 --> 00:18:28,050
I just dropped on the floor.

559
00:18:29,170 --> 00:18:31,710
I was going to let that pass, but

560
00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:32,730
go ahead.

561
00:18:32,730 --> 00:18:34,590
And he said, so he said something very

562
00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:34,970
kind.

563
00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:35,690
Let me look it up.

564
00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:36,090
What was it?

565
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:37,990
He said, America is back.

566
00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:39,150
Thanks to your invention.

567
00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:43,430
I'm like, okay, I saved America.

568
00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:44,250
It was bad.

569
00:18:44,370 --> 00:18:46,210
It was like, nah, thanks Joe.

570
00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:52,370
Um, but we're in a very, very interesting

571
00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:52,810
place.

572
00:18:53,230 --> 00:18:55,510
And I know you have, uh, and I

573
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:57,990
know the clips you have, uh, because we've

574
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:59,870
talked about them and I want to get

575
00:18:59,870 --> 00:19:02,850
to those, but I think these are new

576
00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,710
clips, but they're new to this.

577
00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:05,110
Okay.

578
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:07,170
I mean, you've, you've heard parts of them,

579
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:08,270
but I've clipped them differently.

580
00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:08,630
Okay.

581
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:12,970
Um, what is happening now is very dangerous.

582
00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:16,910
Uh, I mean, ultimately I'm not worried about

583
00:19:16,910 --> 00:19:20,310
podcasting because we have RSS feeds, RSS feeds

584
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:21,250
are not going away.

585
00:19:21,310 --> 00:19:22,670
They are indestructible.

586
00:19:22,670 --> 00:19:24,970
They are part of the underpinnings of the

587
00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:25,390
internet.

588
00:19:25,670 --> 00:19:29,130
Uh, they're created automatically by too many systems.

589
00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:32,610
We have, um, you know, we have podcast

590
00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:33,030
index.

591
00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:36,110
We still have other indices around that rely

592
00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:39,310
on RSS and there's plenty of, uh, of

593
00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:40,770
podcasting to go around.

594
00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:43,150
But when I heard the most recent Spotify

595
00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:46,810
announcement and I have the interpretation by the,

596
00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:50,250
uh, the tech journalists at KTLA in Los

597
00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:54,790
Angeles, we're, we're headed for some interesting times

598
00:19:54,790 --> 00:19:58,530
when it comes to what is podcasting and

599
00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:00,790
what does it do and how does it

600
00:20:00,790 --> 00:20:04,030
remain true to its form of, we don't

601
00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:04,990
need transmitters.

602
00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:06,110
We don't need platforms.

603
00:20:06,530 --> 00:20:08,330
We need an RSS feed.

604
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:09,090
Listen to this.

605
00:20:09,170 --> 00:20:10,230
Uh, first let's start with Spotify.

606
00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:11,310
Take an aim at YouTube.

607
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:12,770
They want to be the place where you

608
00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:14,370
watch video podcasts.

609
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:16,850
The company held their annual now playing event

610
00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:18,150
and announced two big moves.

611
00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:21,510
First, it will start paying podcast creators who

612
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:23,790
get lots of views and it will let

613
00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:25,390
paying subscribers watch.

614
00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:26,930
I just got to stop right there.

615
00:20:27,290 --> 00:20:29,350
So just listen to the interpretation.

616
00:20:29,850 --> 00:20:32,670
First, it will pay podcasters lots of money

617
00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:35,070
to money to get lots of views.

618
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:35,710
Huh?

619
00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:37,670
Cart before the horse.

620
00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:40,710
It will start paying podcast creators who get

621
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:41,430
lots of views.

622
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:42,610
Oh, who get lots of views?

623
00:20:42,810 --> 00:20:42,930
Okay.

624
00:20:43,170 --> 00:20:45,750
Well, uh, this still, and it will let

625
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:49,630
paying subscribers watch video podcasts without ads, but

626
00:20:49,630 --> 00:20:51,450
keep in mind that does not include what's

627
00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:52,330
called host reads.

628
00:20:52,450 --> 00:20:54,970
Those are the ads that hosts read themselves

629
00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:56,310
that are built into the shows.

630
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:59,030
Now, according to Edison research, YouTube is the

631
00:20:59,030 --> 00:21:02,290
top place for podcasts with 31% of

632
00:21:02,290 --> 00:21:03,050
weekly listeners.

633
00:21:03,570 --> 00:21:04,550
Spotify has 20.

634
00:21:04,770 --> 00:21:07,130
Listen, I'm, I'm baffled by this reporting.

635
00:21:07,550 --> 00:21:10,010
YouTube is the pot top place for podcasts

636
00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:11,630
with 30% of listeners.

637
00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:14,910
So he's mixing all these metaphors with 31

638
00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:16,090
% of weekly listeners.

639
00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:20,050
Spotify has 27% Apple podcasts.

640
00:21:20,350 --> 00:21:23,590
Surprised to me, 15% share video podcasts

641
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:27,350
are particularly popular and continue to grow cheap

642
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:27,790
production.

643
00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:28,830
Yeah.

644
00:21:28,910 --> 00:21:30,450
That's exactly what it's all about.

645
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:31,030
Yeah.

646
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:32,350
It's all about cheap production.

647
00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:34,010
Well, that's not what it's all about, but

648
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:38,190
from my understanding from the reporting and I

649
00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:40,250
haven't did his weekly review not come out

650
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:40,570
yet.

651
00:21:41,850 --> 00:21:42,850
I didn't see it.

652
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:43,910
I don't know.

653
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:45,990
I didn't have time to look for it

654
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:48,150
from, from the, from the daily, which is

655
00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:50,070
very soft-spoken by James, who's in Los

656
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:50,850
Angeles airport.

657
00:21:51,050 --> 00:21:53,290
I guess he's worried about offending people in

658
00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:53,830
the airport.

659
00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:56,450
Is he in the skiff again or whatever

660
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:57,950
that thing is, whatever that was called.

661
00:21:58,170 --> 00:21:59,410
No, it is the skiff.

662
00:21:59,490 --> 00:22:00,770
He's in the skiff no matter what it

663
00:22:00,770 --> 00:22:00,910
is.

664
00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:02,190
He's in the skiff from now on.

665
00:22:02,330 --> 00:22:03,190
James is in the skiff.

666
00:22:04,670 --> 00:22:06,990
We already know that if you upload a

667
00:22:06,990 --> 00:22:10,350
video version of your podcast to Spotify, it

668
00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:13,710
replaces what is in your feed is no

669
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:16,030
longer correlated to your feed.

670
00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:19,150
And now from, I understand just from cursory

671
00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:22,670
reading the way they're going to be offering

672
00:22:22,670 --> 00:22:26,450
APIs, presumably to hosting companies to upload your

673
00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:28,630
video to Spotify, which will come as far

674
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:31,130
as I can see, will completely disconnected from

675
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:32,330
your RSS feed.

676
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:34,630
And that's my understanding too.

677
00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:36,450
And so two things, first of all, when

678
00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:38,310
will Spotify learn their lesson?

679
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:39,550
You are stupid.

680
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:42,490
It doesn't work when you try to be

681
00:22:42,490 --> 00:22:43,350
the walled garden.

682
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:45,790
It just, you're not going to be YouTube.

683
00:22:46,110 --> 00:22:48,750
There's just no way you're not going to

684
00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:50,470
be the YouTube of podcasts.

685
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:52,910
So I don't understand how they can make

686
00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:53,870
this mistake again.

687
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:56,290
And on the other hand, I'm kind of

688
00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:59,170
like good riddance, like, all right, everybody go

689
00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:01,190
over there and do whatever you think is

690
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:02,090
going to work.

691
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:04,890
And video, podcasting is now video and it's

692
00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:08,150
on Spotify that will give free reign for

693
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:11,270
the audio people and people who do video

694
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:14,550
in their feeds to just continue on our

695
00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:15,230
happy way.

696
00:23:15,790 --> 00:23:18,410
But it's a, it's, they're about to confuse

697
00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:21,170
things even more than Rob can do.

698
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:27,670
Uh, no, no disrespect, Rob Greenlee.

699
00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:31,370
I think, uh, uh, you caught me off

700
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:31,770
guard with that.

701
00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:37,250
Uh, I think this is all about an,

702
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:42,070
an ad, an advert, an advertising play sort

703
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:42,970
of in reverse.

704
00:23:42,970 --> 00:23:47,390
So like the, what I thought was good

705
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:52,530
coverage was, uh, Ashley Carmen's newsletter.

706
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:55,230
She went into some detail about this and

707
00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:57,470
gave some, some kind of link, a little

708
00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:01,130
bit more lengthy quotes from people who were

709
00:24:01,130 --> 00:24:02,390
at this presentation.

710
00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:06,750
And what Spotify was saying is, um, I've

711
00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:08,510
got, let's see, I've got one of their,

712
00:24:08,790 --> 00:24:10,070
got one of their quotes here.

713
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:13,250
It says, uh, as part of his presentation,

714
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:16,610
Spotify characterized advertisements as a pain point for

715
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:17,410
his subscribers.

716
00:24:18,530 --> 00:24:20,490
Soderstrom, I think that's the guy in charge

717
00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:23,230
of, uh, of this whole thing said the

718
00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:26,810
company found that podcasts increasingly include more ads

719
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:29,790
during a three month period ads first accounted

720
00:24:29,790 --> 00:24:32,030
for on average 8% of a podcast

721
00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:32,490
length.

722
00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:34,850
And then that jumped to about 11%.

723
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:38,730
And he says, quote, now extrapolate that over

724
00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:39,590
a few years.

725
00:24:39,650 --> 00:24:40,730
It's not going to be good.

726
00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:43,470
He said, so this just keeps increasing in,

727
00:24:43,530 --> 00:24:46,090
in this weaker podcast ad economy we're in

728
00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:47,830
right now, it's not about to get any

729
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:48,690
better unquote.

730
00:24:49,550 --> 00:24:53,590
Um, and so like, and he went on

731
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:54,890
to say, and I don't, I didn't get

732
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:56,170
that quote out of it, but he went

733
00:24:56,170 --> 00:25:00,510
on to say that when people that basically

734
00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:07,550
YouTube is just an advertising, uh, mud hole,

735
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:13,170
if you don't subscribe to YouTube, it's almost

736
00:25:13,170 --> 00:25:13,870
unwatchable.

737
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:16,310
It is a, it is a, it is

738
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:19,090
five mid rolls, a pre-roll a post

739
00:25:19,090 --> 00:25:19,510
role.

740
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:22,970
They take over the screen and it is,

741
00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:23,870
it's awful.

742
00:25:24,050 --> 00:25:27,170
So they, it's become basically just a cesspool

743
00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:31,190
of, of in your face, unskippable ads.

744
00:25:31,870 --> 00:25:34,030
And that we, you know, we had, we

745
00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:36,990
had this, um, I don't remember what clip

746
00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:38,410
that was, but we had a clip of

747
00:25:38,410 --> 00:25:40,070
a guy talking about this on, I think

748
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:42,910
it was like CNBC maybe five months ago.

749
00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:47,450
And what he was saying is everybody does

750
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:47,790
this.

751
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:50,290
They hover over the skip button waiting for

752
00:25:50,290 --> 00:25:51,750
the ad timer to hit so they can

753
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:52,350
hit, skip it.

754
00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:55,170
Like, that's, that's what they do on YouTube.

755
00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:57,950
And it feels like, so what, what Spotify

756
00:25:57,950 --> 00:26:02,930
said was they're going to give video, uh,

757
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:05,490
video streamers, I'm not going to call them

758
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:07,110
podcasters because that's not what this is.

759
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:09,070
He's going to give, they're going to give

760
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:11,170
video streamers a cut of the ad revenue.

761
00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:14,670
If they use Spotify's built-in insert ad

762
00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:18,990
insertion tools, or they're going to give, and

763
00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:20,650
they're going to give them a cut of

764
00:26:20,650 --> 00:26:21,950
subscription revenue.

765
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:26,010
If they don't, if they use, if they

766
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:28,570
just are hit certain thresholds for watching for

767
00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:31,250
watch time for like eyeballs.

768
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:33,790
So if you hit a certain amount of

769
00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:36,250
minutes of eyeballs over the course of some

770
00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:39,210
time window, you get, you get a payout

771
00:26:39,210 --> 00:26:39,970
of some sort.

772
00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:42,110
And that's going to, that payout is going

773
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:44,130
to come from their premium subscribers.

774
00:26:45,370 --> 00:26:47,790
So this feels like what they're trying to

775
00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:50,250
do is take advantage of the fact that

776
00:26:50,250 --> 00:26:55,030
YouTube is a complete dump, an ad dumpster

777
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:58,010
fire and say, Hey, come look, come watch

778
00:26:58,010 --> 00:27:00,730
your stuff over here because you already pay

779
00:27:00,730 --> 00:27:03,530
for Spotify or you can upgrade to premium

780
00:27:03,530 --> 00:27:06,430
and you can get all this stuff.

781
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:08,330
You get all this music, you get all

782
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:09,590
this kind of stuff for free and you

783
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:11,230
get no ads on the videos.

784
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:15,190
Like, and I just don't know that that,

785
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:18,550
because if number one, I don't, I don't

786
00:27:18,550 --> 00:27:21,630
think that's, that's just a walled garden strategy.

787
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:22,970
I don't think it's going to work out.

788
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,650
But the bigger thing is I think that

789
00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:31,790
this is indicative of what we've been talking

790
00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:33,030
about for a while, or at least I

791
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:38,830
have that, that advertising is not enough to

792
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:41,290
make these companies profitable.

793
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:42,430
You're correct.

794
00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:44,090
And I'll, and I'll back you up on

795
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:46,990
that assertion by looking at what all the

796
00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:50,410
streamers are doing, specifically Amazon, you pay for

797
00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:50,890
prime.

798
00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:53,950
Now you get prime and you're getting ads.

799
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:55,450
You have to pay even more.

800
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:57,630
If you want to remove those ads, everybody

801
00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:59,450
is running with an ad strategy.

802
00:27:59,650 --> 00:28:02,350
Wall street is saying, Oh, this is great,

803
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:03,410
but they have to.

804
00:28:03,530 --> 00:28:06,690
So they need both a subscription and advertising

805
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:08,910
in order to make the economics work.

806
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:09,890
Yeah.

807
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:13,710
Which is very unfriendly.

808
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:16,150
And, and, and I'll, I'll, uh, Sam Sethi

809
00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:19,690
boosted in, he says, uh, James is flying

810
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:21,170
pod news weekly review.

811
00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:22,130
We'll drop shortly.

812
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:24,030
Well, I hope, I hope he lands before

813
00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:24,470
it drops.

814
00:28:24,910 --> 00:28:28,630
Also, when will some of the $60 billion

815
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:31,650
of political TV advertising money spent during the

816
00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:31,970
election?

817
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:33,770
I don't think it was 60 billion, but,

818
00:28:33,910 --> 00:28:36,370
uh, become the way of podcasting.

819
00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:38,750
Well, yes, of course, this will be a

820
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:41,330
big part of the strategy for 2026 and

821
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:43,150
2024 in the United States.

822
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:46,570
And it's going to suck because you're going

823
00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:48,310
to have just, you're going to be riddled

824
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:52,310
with crappy political ads and it's going to

825
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:59,710
be very tempting for, um, podcasters, video streamers,

826
00:28:59,790 --> 00:29:02,530
whatever you want to call them, uh, to

827
00:29:02,530 --> 00:29:05,550
take the money and do whatever is necessary

828
00:29:05,550 --> 00:29:06,350
for the money.

829
00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:09,870
The objective nature of media is going to

830
00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:12,030
diminish very, very quickly with that.

831
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:15,730
Well, here's an article from ad week from

832
00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:17,210
four days ago.

833
00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:20,890
It says as Amazon's revenue and stock price

834
00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:23,050
continue to climb, the company is pulling back

835
00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:24,530
between January and August.

836
00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:28,230
Amazon cut its core retail business us ad

837
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:31,590
spend about 20% equivalent to $700 million

838
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:35,470
compared to the same time in 2023, according

839
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:36,470
to estimates from the market.

840
00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:41,490
So, so Amazon in an election year cut

841
00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:45,630
its ad spend by 20%, $700 million is

842
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:47,610
almost as big as the entire podcast.

843
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:49,910
Supposedly.

844
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:50,930
Yeah.

845
00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:55,490
So yeah, supposedly, I mean, this is, this

846
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:57,750
tells you where advertising is going.

847
00:29:57,930 --> 00:30:00,170
If you are a, if you're a pure

848
00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:04,170
advertising based business, the life is going to

849
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:08,450
get increasingly more difficult because like when we've

850
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:11,630
seen this, you know, this list sort of

851
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:13,690
leads into some of this, uh, on the

852
00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:18,450
media stuff, but we've, we've seen that seeing

853
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:22,110
like CNN cut starting cuts, they're, they're, they're

854
00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:23,830
doing, they're starting with them at CNN mass

855
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:24,330
layoffs.

856
00:30:24,410 --> 00:30:27,150
Well, MSNBC, they're talking about selling it.

857
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:31,670
There's a little nuance there, uh, which is

858
00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:34,850
partially due to the streaming mania and yes,

859
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:35,990
I will say podcasts.

860
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:39,330
And that is because people are cutting the

861
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:40,090
cord on cable.

862
00:30:40,270 --> 00:30:41,910
Cable became too expensive.

863
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:45,730
And, uh, any cable news station, all cable

864
00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:46,190
stations.

865
00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:47,750
And I have these numbers.

866
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:49,150
I know what the numbers are.

867
00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:50,730
They get carriage fees.

868
00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:53,350
So if, which is equivalent to a Spotify

869
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:54,750
premium subscriber, correct.

870
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:55,210
Correct.

871
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:57,770
Only you as a customer of cable don't

872
00:30:57,770 --> 00:30:59,210
really see that price directly.

873
00:30:59,210 --> 00:31:01,410
You pay, if you have ESPN and you

874
00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:03,990
probably have ESPN just because you have to

875
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:06,450
have it, they build it into the package.

876
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:10,210
Um, it's $7 a month from, of your

877
00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:12,870
bill goes to Disney for ESPN.

878
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:16,490
And, um, they got really greedy.

879
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:18,890
Um, you know, the cable price, especially when

880
00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:21,510
they bundled an internet just went up and

881
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:21,690
up.

882
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:24,750
And then they did exactly what iTunes did

883
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:26,310
to the music business.

884
00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:28,230
They unbundled the album.

885
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:31,170
So I'll just buy a track and everyone's

886
00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:32,990
going like, well, you know, I want to

887
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:35,230
put my own bundle together and the economics

888
00:31:35,230 --> 00:31:35,950
don't work.

889
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:37,990
And so people are just saying, no, you

890
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:38,230
know what?

891
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,990
I'm just going to subscription, hop around and

892
00:31:40,990 --> 00:31:42,690
get whatever I want, which is also going

893
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:43,090
to stop.

894
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:43,570
Trust me.

895
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:46,190
They're going to stop that, that business, uh,

896
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:47,830
that you can just subscribe for a month

897
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:48,750
and then unsubscribe.

898
00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:49,750
They're going to make, they're going to make

899
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:51,030
it difficult for you to do that.

900
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:53,570
Um, people don't want, you'll have to do

901
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:54,530
an annual or something.

902
00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:55,470
And it's insane.

903
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:57,990
People don't want bundles.

904
00:31:58,010 --> 00:32:00,930
And now you're seeing NPR, I'm leading into

905
00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:01,670
your package here.

906
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:07,390
They are literally now advertising the NPR plus

907
00:32:07,390 --> 00:32:07,990
bundle.

908
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:12,450
It's like they're reinventing cable for themselves.

909
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:14,110
It's so stupid.

910
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:16,910
It is, it is a, yeah, that is

911
00:32:16,910 --> 00:32:20,070
a reinvention of cable because you, even the

912
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:23,230
most diehard NPR listener probably only listens to

913
00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:24,190
two or three shows.

914
00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:24,970
Exactly.

915
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:26,530
And you don't want the other, you don't

916
00:32:26,530 --> 00:32:28,050
want to pay for the other 12 that

917
00:32:28,050 --> 00:32:28,870
you don't listen to.

918
00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:33,050
Which is why podcasting is so grand, you

919
00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:35,930
know, and not all podcasting is out there

920
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:36,530
to make money.

921
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:39,810
That makes broadcasting even more beautiful.

922
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:41,450
People just do a podcast cause they want

923
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:42,250
to do a podcast.

924
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:47,130
The C like CNN, the MSNBC and all

925
00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:50,470
these, um, these cable news networks that are

926
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:54,250
having trouble, the, this, and I mean the

927
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:58,130
broadcast TV as well, ABC, CBS, the, the,

928
00:32:58,130 --> 00:33:00,590
the amount of money these anchors make is

929
00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:01,310
outrageous.

930
00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:02,270
Yeah.

931
00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:04,050
I mean, I thought, I think if Chris

932
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:06,330
Wallace was like 8 million a year, 7

933
00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:06,670
million.

934
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:06,970
Yeah.

935
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:11,550
Uh, Anderson Cooper, 20, 20 million dollars.

936
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:13,090
Well, this is what they say.

937
00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:14,050
You never really know.

938
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:18,090
Um, there's a 7 million for Chris Wallace,

939
00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:21,530
6 million for Aaron Burnett and 3 million

940
00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:25,630
for Caitlin, Caitlin, whatever her last name is,

941
00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:26,230
the new girl.

942
00:33:27,050 --> 00:33:28,670
I want to talk to her agent.

943
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:31,110
I mean, to be honest about it, no

944
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:33,030
agenda is like, yeah, we're all in.

945
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:33,590
Okay.

946
00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:36,170
So does this sound like you, you love

947
00:33:36,170 --> 00:33:37,210
no agendas podcast.

948
00:33:37,770 --> 00:33:39,170
You wish you could get more of your

949
00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:41,930
favorite show and you want to support no

950
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:44,470
agendas mission to create the best podcast in

951
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:45,110
the universe.

952
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:47,790
If all of that sounds appealing and it's

953
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:49,670
time to sign up for the no agenda

954
00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:52,630
plus bundle, just send your cash.

955
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:57,990
I love the, uh, the Silicon Valley pitch

956
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:58,370
music.

957
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:58,970
That's great.

958
00:34:01,270 --> 00:34:03,090
No agenda plus bundle.

959
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:07,310
This is, uh, yeah, we were, see that

960
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:08,510
we were told that this was good.

961
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:10,250
We were told that this was going to

962
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:12,190
be the podcast or it was the podcast

963
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:12,889
election.

964
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:16,170
But the thing is nobody said why it

965
00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:17,370
was the podcast election.

966
00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:19,230
Um, yes.

967
00:34:19,429 --> 00:34:21,630
I mean, I didn't really say, I mean,

968
00:34:21,730 --> 00:34:25,370
I know why it's the podcast election, uh,

969
00:34:25,409 --> 00:34:27,010
or whatever you want to call it was

970
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:29,750
the non mainstream media celebrity election.

971
00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:30,790
That's what it was.

972
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:33,330
And so first of all, celebrities have no

973
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:33,710
power.

974
00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:35,270
No one cares about them anymore.

975
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:37,550
The whole industry is sold out.

976
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:40,350
The gossip industry used to be gossiping about

977
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:42,810
the entertainment industry and celebrities.

978
00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:45,770
They sold out to movie tickets by creating

979
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:51,030
fake divorces and fake romances to, to sell

980
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:52,790
movie tickets or concert tickets.

981
00:34:53,449 --> 00:34:56,350
The, the, the rest of the entertainment industry

982
00:34:56,350 --> 00:34:58,050
sold out to the fashion industry.

983
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:59,110
Who are you wearing?

984
00:34:59,370 --> 00:35:00,250
This is beautiful.

985
00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:01,850
Go stand in front of our three 60

986
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:02,230
cam.

987
00:35:02,290 --> 00:35:03,010
Who are you wearing?

988
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:05,790
So the whole thing is people don't care

989
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:06,250
anymore.

990
00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:10,410
And the, the, the linear nature of 24

991
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,490
hour, uh, programming based upon a 60 minute

992
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:16,890
clock with 18 to 20 minutes of advertising

993
00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:18,710
where you have to have a pre-interview,

994
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:20,750
the questions are known, the jokes are built

995
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:21,090
in.

996
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:22,810
It's all phony and fake.

997
00:35:22,850 --> 00:35:24,430
And so what people want, which has been

998
00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:27,790
proven by Joe Rogan and others, they want

999
00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:30,470
to just see two people talking for an

1000
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:32,390
hour or two or three or whatever.

1001
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:34,930
That's how you get a sense of someone.

1002
00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:37,290
You get a sense of what someone's personality

1003
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:37,930
is like.

1004
00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:39,310
You can form an opinion.

1005
00:35:39,830 --> 00:35:41,090
That's what people want.

1006
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:44,510
And the nature of linear broadcasting just doesn't

1007
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:45,170
have that.

1008
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,410
So I want to, I want to, I

1009
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:50,770
brought clips of, uh, on the media's post

1010
00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:51,810
-mortem of the election.

1011
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:53,950
This was the, the episode title of this

1012
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:55,770
episode was the day after.

1013
00:35:58,330 --> 00:35:58,790
Yes.

1014
00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:01,090
This is where they, it wasn't, was this

1015
00:36:01,090 --> 00:36:02,130
the one where they just talked?

1016
00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:03,530
It wasn't a produced episode.

1017
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:04,390
They were just talking.

1018
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:04,790
Yes.

1019
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:05,250
Yeah.

1020
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:05,570
Yes.

1021
00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:05,830
Okay.

1022
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:09,370
And I will have to say I learned

1023
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:12,090
more about Brooke and Micah in this 30

1024
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:13,390
minute zoom chat.

1025
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:17,550
Then I, then I have all the hundreds

1026
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:19,230
of episodes that I've listened to them.

1027
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:21,670
I mean, this, this is my hate listen.

1028
00:36:21,790 --> 00:36:23,790
So I've, I've heard many hours of this

1029
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:24,070
show.

1030
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:27,890
Um, and, and I learned more about this,

1031
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:31,610
this, in this non-produced piece than I

1032
00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:32,710
ever knew before.

1033
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:34,670
And, and it was interesting.

1034
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:36,490
And I was actually, I was, it's one

1035
00:36:36,490 --> 00:36:38,530
of my favorites, maybe my favorite episode they've

1036
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:38,930
ever done.

1037
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:43,970
And, um, at first they, so they're, they're

1038
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:45,690
talking about the election about like, well, you

1039
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:47,110
know, basically just a post-mortem.

1040
00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:48,770
Well, first of all, the shock, the shell

1041
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:51,790
shocked as most of the mainstream media was

1042
00:36:51,790 --> 00:36:52,390
shell shocked.

1043
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:56,990
They could not believe that after excoriating a

1044
00:36:56,990 --> 00:37:00,470
candidate, uh, and having all the celebrities on

1045
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:03,170
one side and calling him a racist or

1046
00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:06,510
rapist, a misogynist, the dictator ripping up the

1047
00:37:06,510 --> 00:37:09,090
constitution on day one, do I need to

1048
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:09,630
go on?

1049
00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:11,910
Uh, they could not believe that the American

1050
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:13,430
people voted for him.

1051
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:16,750
They were, they were all prepared to be,

1052
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:20,330
you know, for another January six and, uh,

1053
00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:24,690
another insurrection and more lawsuits and the, the

1054
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:28,370
accusations of, uh, a rigged election.

1055
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:30,510
They were, they were prepared for that.

1056
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:32,810
Like they were prepared for when, you know,

1057
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:34,590
everyone knew the queen was going to die.

1058
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:36,010
They had all their packages ready.

1059
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:36,950
You know, we're good to go.

1060
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:37,790
We're, we're mainstream.

1061
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:38,290
We're set.

1062
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:39,370
We know what's going to happen.

1063
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:40,410
Yeah.

1064
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:41,850
And they, they even said that and that

1065
00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:43,310
they were like, well, I guess we don't

1066
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:45,170
need to do that show about the contested

1067
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:47,050
election and lawyers and stuff.

1068
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:49,250
No, I guess, I guess not.

1069
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:50,870
And they were literally on the show saying

1070
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:52,770
like, uh, Oh, what do we do?

1071
00:37:52,850 --> 00:37:53,630
What kind of show are we going to

1072
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:54,130
do this week?

1073
00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:54,950
We don't even know.

1074
00:37:55,810 --> 00:37:56,570
We've got to throw it.

1075
00:37:56,570 --> 00:37:57,490
We've got to call an audible.

1076
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:58,230
What are we doing?

1077
00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:00,050
Call it 42.

1078
00:38:00,490 --> 00:38:04,810
So then at first they seem to get

1079
00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:05,090
it.

1080
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:08,350
It's like they, it sounds like they get

1081
00:38:08,350 --> 00:38:10,370
it, but if you dig in and you

1082
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:13,890
listen close, they absolutely do not get it.

1083
00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:17,510
So the, this first clip is they're basically,

1084
00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:20,410
they're like their first crack at what went

1085
00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:24,050
wrong was people just didn't hear the facts.

1086
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:26,910
There's something going on that those of us

1087
00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:29,250
on the coasts don't understand.

1088
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:32,230
And I can't help, but feel it all

1089
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:37,090
boils down in the end to the bubbles

1090
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:37,990
we're all in.

1091
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:42,970
And the fact that the, that a great

1092
00:38:42,970 --> 00:38:46,890
many Americans aren't familiar with the facts.

1093
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:47,510
Okay.

1094
00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:51,270
Now, now that's where you said it's like

1095
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:52,410
you, you, okay.

1096
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:54,890
Disadmission that they're in a bubble and you're

1097
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:56,690
like, well, yeah, you are in a bubble

1098
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:58,250
and that you, it gives you the sense

1099
00:38:58,250 --> 00:39:00,690
that they, okay, they get it, but that's

1100
00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:02,050
not really what they mean.

1101
00:39:02,290 --> 00:39:04,110
What, the more I listened to this, what

1102
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:06,510
I, I began to understand that what they

1103
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:11,370
mean by bubble is that is they're not,

1104
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:16,450
they're not critiquing their own, their, their own,

1105
00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:17,530
their own font.

1106
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:18,230
Yeah.

1107
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:19,730
They're not critiquing their own content.

1108
00:39:19,850 --> 00:39:21,830
What they're saying is that people didn't hear

1109
00:39:21,830 --> 00:39:22,650
their content.

1110
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:26,610
They, so their, their use of the word

1111
00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:29,170
fact is an example of them like missing

1112
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:30,650
the heart of the real problem.

1113
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:34,570
Like those fact checks didn't help the media

1114
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:35,190
at all.

1115
00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:36,170
No, they didn't help.

1116
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:37,010
They didn't help anything.

1117
00:39:37,090 --> 00:39:39,010
It just made them look even more biased

1118
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:41,410
because of how many times the fact checks

1119
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:42,270
turned out to be wrong.

1120
00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:44,210
Um, I mean, if I, if I never

1121
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:46,090
hear the term fact check again in my

1122
00:39:46,090 --> 00:39:49,550
life, it will be a wonderful thing, but

1123
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:52,390
it's just, it got to be so crazy.

1124
00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:55,570
Um, it's like, and I want to say

1125
00:39:55,570 --> 00:39:58,530
like the, the, well, clip two is, is

1126
00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:01,470
another, essentially another version of this, where they

1127
00:40:01,470 --> 00:40:04,690
say that the reporting didn't reach people.

1128
00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:08,770
You said that there are obviously some, uh,

1129
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:14,050
there are many Americans who don't know the

1130
00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:18,130
facts that have been reported repeatedly by the

1131
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:21,270
media, the fact checks, the, the questions about

1132
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:25,770
Trump's policies, reporting on his last administration, all

1133
00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:27,770
of that seems to either have been memory

1134
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:30,330
hold or not reached people.

1135
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:31,990
Memory hold.

1136
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:33,310
That's interesting.

1137
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:37,630
You know, he's, he's directly referencing the 2016

1138
00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:42,210
era of the first Trump presidency and saying,

1139
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:43,770
you know, uh, we look, we gave you

1140
00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:45,930
the facts we get, you know, we gave

1141
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:46,370
you everything.

1142
00:40:47,290 --> 00:40:51,470
Everybody, people must not be hearing them with

1143
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:53,570
when the reality is people are hearing them.

1144
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:54,990
They just don't believe you.

1145
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:58,830
Like it's, it's not an assessment of the

1146
00:40:58,830 --> 00:41:00,210
quality of their content.

1147
00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:04,310
They think that their reach has been diminished.

1148
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:04,810
Yes.

1149
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:07,690
People aren't actually listening to their words.

1150
00:41:07,830 --> 00:41:08,010
Yes.

1151
00:41:08,110 --> 00:41:09,810
The, they need to, they need more power

1152
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:11,810
on the transmitter, right?

1153
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:12,630
More Watts.

1154
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:15,710
And, and, but the real issue is no,

1155
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:16,850
people are hearing you.

1156
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:20,270
You've just damaged your own credibility to such

1157
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:23,990
an extent that people don't trust you anymore.

1158
00:41:24,350 --> 00:41:27,070
Um, like instead of like, it's like, I'm

1159
00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:28,630
giving you a fact and you're just, you're

1160
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:29,910
not acting on this information.

1161
00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:32,950
You're, you're, you're not, you're not behaving.

1162
00:41:33,330 --> 00:41:34,950
You're doing it wrong.

1163
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:36,010
You're holding it wrong.

1164
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:38,110
It's like, is there, say it's like, look,

1165
00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:41,130
we, we fact-checked RFK jr and showed

1166
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:42,470
you he's an anti-vax, he's an anti

1167
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:43,030
-vaxxer.

1168
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:44,590
What, what?

1169
00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:47,310
And then, you know, and then, and then

1170
00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:49,910
RFK jr goes on Rogan and explains that

1171
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:53,050
he really wants safe vaccines, which is not

1172
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:54,750
the same as an anti-vaxxer.

1173
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:58,630
And then there's also, and he, and I

1174
00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:01,090
think also there's an air, um, um, uh,

1175
00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:05,070
an issue here where we're in a postmodern

1176
00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:08,390
postmodernism is the culture is the air we

1177
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:11,930
breathe, whether, you know, whether we think it's

1178
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:15,010
correct or not, we don't get to choose

1179
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:18,610
the sort of milieu of the day that

1180
00:42:18,610 --> 00:42:19,270
we live in.

1181
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:19,750
Right.

1182
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:22,470
And we do live in a postmodern world

1183
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:24,130
and we live, and that means there is,

1184
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:26,750
it's not so much about truth anymore.

1185
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:30,690
Even if, even if that was true about

1186
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:33,090
RFK, which I don't, you know, I don't

1187
00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:34,670
think it is, but even if it was,

1188
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,070
you also listen to a speech he gives

1189
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:39,530
and he says something like this.

1190
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:43,350
He says, America is a war culture and

1191
00:42:43,350 --> 00:42:44,650
it's tearing us apart.

1192
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:45,230
Yay.

1193
00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:49,210
You hear, so you have these two things.

1194
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:50,130
Now you have this.

1195
00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:52,050
So on the one hand you say you

1196
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:54,090
have this person telling you that, Hey, he's,

1197
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:56,650
he's anti-vaxxers, he's anti-vaccine.

1198
00:42:56,790 --> 00:43:00,370
And then you have him saying, America has

1199
00:43:00,370 --> 00:43:03,070
imported war into our daily life and it's

1200
00:43:03,070 --> 00:43:05,250
tearing us up, it's tearing families apart and

1201
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:06,230
we have to stop.

1202
00:43:06,490 --> 00:43:09,510
Now, which one of those two things is

1203
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:11,310
more motivating to a person?

1204
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:12,510
Right.

1205
00:43:13,450 --> 00:43:18,050
When people hear him say that lamenting how

1206
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:22,850
torn our culture is, it resonates because we

1207
00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:24,710
all have relationships in our lives that have

1208
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:27,870
been ruined by like this vituperative left-right

1209
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:31,750
thinking that's just infiltrated our every part of

1210
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:33,830
our life and we all hate it.

1211
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:37,090
And so that is going to meet the

1212
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:39,010
more powerful motivation there.

1213
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:41,750
People don't live their lives in like a

1214
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:43,570
clinical analysis of facts.

1215
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:48,090
We live our lives almost entirely on two

1216
00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:52,530
principles, meaningful work and loving relationships.

1217
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:57,230
Those two things are what create the fabric

1218
00:43:57,230 --> 00:43:59,910
of life that we, that we want.

1219
00:44:00,410 --> 00:44:01,770
And if one of, or both of those

1220
00:44:01,770 --> 00:44:05,370
things are threatened, facts really don't matter.

1221
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:06,030
Backseat.

1222
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:06,330
Yeah.

1223
00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:10,890
Um, it's like news guard, news guards going

1224
00:44:10,890 --> 00:44:11,850
all in on this thing.

1225
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:13,090
I don't know if you've seen this.

1226
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:14,170
Let me see if I can grab the

1227
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:14,330
link.

1228
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:16,290
Oh, what are they doing now?

1229
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:19,790
So they've got this thing called an RFK

1230
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:22,890
junior health killer, healthcare claims depository.

1231
00:44:24,110 --> 00:44:25,290
Let me paste this.

1232
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:27,670
This is where they're going to, this is

1233
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:29,990
where they're going to fact check RFK junior

1234
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:32,950
to death during the Trump administration.

1235
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:35,890
And so this is basically this, they carved

1236
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:37,310
out a whole section of their sub stack

1237
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:38,670
where they're going to put all of the

1238
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:42,090
RFK junior disinfo going forward.

1239
00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:44,730
And, and I'll put my, all my cards

1240
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:45,130
on the table.

1241
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:47,250
I voted for RFK in this election.

1242
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:49,790
I've read, I've read two of his books.

1243
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:52,090
I've listened to hours of interviews and speeches.

1244
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:55,130
Nothing on that list makes a lick of

1245
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:55,910
difference to me.

1246
00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:57,730
I do not care.

1247
00:44:57,950 --> 00:45:00,250
You can give me facts all day long,

1248
00:45:00,330 --> 00:45:04,230
but you are smart enough to make your

1249
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:06,410
own decision based upon the things that you

1250
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:08,830
sought out and investigated.

1251
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:10,330
Right.

1252
00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:13,150
My, I made my decision based on, I

1253
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:15,770
listened to him speak and I get the

1254
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:19,810
overwhelming sense that he cares deeply about fixing

1255
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:21,810
the chronic disease and health problems in this

1256
00:45:21,810 --> 00:45:22,090
country.

1257
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:22,810
Right.

1258
00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:24,530
That's what matters.

1259
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:26,930
That list I could get, I could care

1260
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:27,170
less.

1261
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:28,010
You can throw it in the trash.

1262
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:32,770
And so like they, they do not understand

1263
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:36,650
any of this, but like, and so they

1264
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:37,430
go even further.

1265
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:41,010
So, so Micah digs in and clip three

1266
00:45:41,010 --> 00:45:44,210
and ask what, ask Brooke's opinion of, of

1267
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:45,090
what the issue is.

1268
00:45:45,490 --> 00:45:50,010
And I guess Brooke, does that just mean

1269
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:52,610
that the media is fundamentally broken?

1270
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:59,020
I think the media delivery system has a

1271
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:00,180
great deal wrong with it.

1272
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:01,940
The delivery system?

1273
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:03,660
Whoa.

1274
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:04,720
Whoa.

1275
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,800
They think that, again, they think the issue

1276
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,660
is that people outside of their ideological bubble,

1277
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:12,320
bubble aren't hearing their voices.

1278
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:14,700
No, they hear you.

1279
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,180
They just don't believe you.

1280
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,380
This is like an extension of the idea

1281
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:21,900
that if we just ban, ban all of

1282
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:25,460
the like wrong thing, like I mean, Russia

1283
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:29,460
today, sub stackers, the, if we just ban

1284
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:33,540
all these wrong thinkers, then people will hear

1285
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:36,320
them more clearly and make better decisions.

1286
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,600
But that's not the way this works.

1287
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,640
And so she follows it up with she

1288
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,220
follows it up with her opinion in clip

1289
00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:44,400
two.

1290
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,060
And I think probably the mainstream or legacy

1291
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,480
media or wherever you want to fit us

1292
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,760
in still has a comprehension problem.

1293
00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:57,240
We keep trying to understand.

1294
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:59,440
I remember when Bush was elected and there

1295
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,520
were a lot of evangelicals in that case.

1296
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,480
The first time we were going, wow, this

1297
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560
was happening beneath the service.

1298
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,320
We didn't even know, but we should have

1299
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,460
known this time.

1300
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,500
And we still don't know.

1301
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:13,440
I don't know.

1302
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:14,320
Wait a minute.

1303
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:16,780
Is she saying evangelicals did it?

1304
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:20,280
Is it the Christians, the Christian nationalists, the

1305
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,300
crypto fascist Christian nationalists?

1306
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,780
Well, I think here's where we find out

1307
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:29,300
that and broker Democrats.

1308
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:35,080
No, I'm shocked, which is fine.

1309
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:38,620
It's fine for them to be that there's

1310
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:39,680
nothing wrong with that.

1311
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,540
But we, but that's a low reason I'm

1312
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:46,600
bringing it up is that that's another indication

1313
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,640
of the problem here is we, we, we

1314
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,860
have this sort of like suspicion of their

1315
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:58,120
political leanings based on the way they do

1316
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:58,600
their show.

1317
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:00,480
Oh, they're just flat out about it now.

1318
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,300
Yeah.

1319
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,100
But they don't, we didn't.

1320
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,300
Yeah.

1321
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:04,740
We never actually get sort of a confirmation

1322
00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:06,660
of that until we hear them sort of

1323
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:07,860
quote off the record.

1324
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:08,560
Yeah.

1325
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:11,600
And that's the way traditional media operates.

1326
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:14,780
They operate on this sort of like fake

1327
00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:17,680
arms length, dispassionate view of the world.

1328
00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:19,880
You know, Hey, we're not telling you how

1329
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,200
to vote.

1330
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,120
We're just telling you that Trump's literally Hitler.

1331
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,520
Yes.

1332
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,280
And then I'll, I'll say on top of

1333
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,500
that, that was the entire business model of

1334
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:33,480
Fox news was to create the exact, the,

1335
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:36,540
the, an exact copy of this on the

1336
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:39,500
other side of the political spectrum, which I

1337
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:44,340
feel is commercially a great idea, but it's

1338
00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:49,040
hurt us because everybody gets into it.

1339
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:53,580
Look at them liberal tears, lives, libtards, which

1340
00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:55,480
is just very bad.

1341
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,860
I think, I mean, that was the whole

1342
00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:02,080
point of Matt Ivey's book, hate incorporated is

1343
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,780
that this is the American model.

1344
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,420
It's the American business model.

1345
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:06,580
We've talked about this.

1346
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:07,280
Yeah.

1347
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:10,760
Monetizing the extreme ends of the political spectrum

1348
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,680
or it tears you apart.

1349
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,160
So, you know, news guard has, this is

1350
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,820
one of their criteria is do you clearly

1351
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:21,860
delineate between news and opinion?

1352
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,920
Like that's one of the like elements of

1353
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,320
the score that they give you.

1354
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:28,880
No one, no one does that.

1355
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:31,620
Well, like the New York times or the

1356
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:33,440
Washington post or my dad, they'll label, they'll

1357
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,480
label a, an editorial piece as an editor.

1358
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,120
Okay.

1359
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,660
Do you see what I mean?

1360
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:38,380
Like, yeah, sure.

1361
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,440
It's fake.

1362
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:41,540
It's a fake thing because we all, we

1363
00:49:41,540 --> 00:49:44,060
all know, I mean, the Trump Russia gate

1364
00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:46,720
thing of 2016 that lasted years and turned

1365
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,940
out to be a complete hoax was reported

1366
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:54,320
as hard news every single day for three

1367
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:54,700
years.

1368
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:55,140
Yeah.

1369
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,920
The opinion, the opinion of the reporter always

1370
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,560
seeps through.

1371
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:02,640
It's just that podcasts don't pretend that it

1372
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,880
doesn't like good point.

1373
00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:08,860
Rogan doesn't Rogan doesn't sit down and say,

1374
00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:11,940
you know, and act like he doesn't have

1375
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:13,000
an opinion.

1376
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,580
No, he, he, he gives his opinion.

1377
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:20,480
Sometimes he holds back, but this past year

1378
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,280
he's been very quick.

1379
00:50:21,340 --> 00:50:23,460
I mean, he was pretty much a, a

1380
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:24,640
liberal, a Democrat.

1381
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Yeah.

1382
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,440
Bernie guy.

1383
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,240
Yeah, for sure.

1384
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,300
And a lot, he liked, he liked, he

1385
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,100
liked what Sanders had to say for sure.

1386
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,680
Well, I mean, like if you listen to

1387
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,520
a pod news weekly review, James and Sam,

1388
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,980
they tell you the news headlines of the

1389
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:44,140
week, but they also give you their actual

1390
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:45,360
opinion and what they think.

1391
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:46,760
And here's the crazy thing.

1392
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:48,900
I still love and like them.

1393
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,180
Absolutely.

1394
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:53,920
I have so much more respect for a

1395
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,940
person that will do that.

1396
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:55,640
Yeah, of course.

1397
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,720
If, if broken Micah would come out and

1398
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,640
just say, here's, here's our opinion.

1399
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:04,920
Here's where we stand that I would have

1400
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,600
so much more respect for them.

1401
00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:09,660
And I would trust them more because I

1402
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:11,340
would have a better mental sort of like

1403
00:51:11,340 --> 00:51:13,620
framework of, of what's going on with this

1404
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:14,640
thing I'm listening to.

1405
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:16,580
And I might actually learn something or it

1406
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:20,220
might, it might actually give me something to

1407
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:20,740
think about.

1408
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,240
I read so much stuff that I did

1409
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,560
from like, quote, the other side of whatever

1410
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,040
position I take.

1411
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:35,640
And that it's, I've, come to see this

1412
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,440
sort of like dispassionate arm's length news reporting

1413
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,600
is just sort of a farce, you know,

1414
00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:46,740
just, just, just treat, let's all just treat

1415
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:48,740
each other like adults and we can handle

1416
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:49,320
it, you know?

1417
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:54,960
So the, so then Micah says, what in

1418
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,100
clip five, he says, well, what, what is

1419
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:57,200
it?

1420
00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:58,140
What did we not know?

1421
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:59,320
What did we not know?

1422
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,500
I guess I'm, I'm, I'm confused because a

1423
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,080
lot of the debates that we had on

1424
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,540
the show were about whether journalists took the

1425
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:10,100
threat of Donald Trump seriously and conveyed it

1426
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:10,620
clearly.

1427
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:15,020
We weren't talking so much about reaching people

1428
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:16,420
who had tuned out the media.

1429
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,460
I mean, right.

1430
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,980
That's almost a separate topic altogether.

1431
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,460
I don't, I don't know that it is

1432
00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:20,880
Micah.

1433
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:22,880
I mean, I think it's the same topic.

1434
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,740
Who are you conveying this stuff clearly to?

1435
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,560
The entire nation, hopefully, but of course we

1436
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,800
know we don't speak to the entire nation.

1437
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:34,320
No one does anymore.

1438
00:52:34,740 --> 00:52:37,140
So we do a damn fine job of

1439
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:38,320
talking to ourselves.

1440
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:42,100
You see that that's again, this, this is

1441
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,380
this theme here of they think people aren't

1442
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:46,200
hearing them.

1443
00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:51,200
Um, and, and it finally hit me when,

1444
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:55,340
when they were talking at some point of,

1445
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:59,740
of the way this works, it's, it's messaging.

1446
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:05,820
It's not, um, so they, they sort of

1447
00:53:05,820 --> 00:53:09,860
package up a message and then send it

1448
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:10,700
to the audience.

1449
00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:13,280
It's not a dialogue.

1450
00:53:13,820 --> 00:53:14,020
Right.

1451
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:17,260
And podcasting is much more interactive in that

1452
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:17,680
regard.

1453
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,920
Much more in, in the messaging model, you're

1454
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,960
just creating a package and you're sending it

1455
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,200
out.

1456
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,380
You're telling the audience what to think.

1457
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,080
You'll never understand why people's people exhibit the

1458
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,160
behaviors they do, whether it's voting or anything

1459
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:38,540
else.

1460
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:41,920
You'll never understand why, if you don't listen

1461
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,280
to them.

1462
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,000
It's interesting.

1463
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,400
Bemros or Bemros in the boardroom says, you

1464
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,800
know, the word, uh, Dave's looking for is

1465
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,100
propaganda, but it's not these people actually believe

1466
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:52,420
what they're saying.

1467
00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:54,720
I don't think they're being paid by any

1468
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,000
government to say this.

1469
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,160
So by definition, it's not propaganda.

1470
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,240
What are we drinking?

1471
00:54:00,420 --> 00:54:00,900
Show beer.

1472
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,040
This is a polar orange vanilla.

1473
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:05,940
It's amazing.

1474
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,700
The, uh, as I'm listening to this, I'm

1475
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:13,180
realizing that Spotify is going to have a

1476
00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:18,880
very interesting time when they start basing, because

1477
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,260
they're still going to be basing a lot

1478
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,840
of their revenue on advertising.

1479
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,100
They've built up the department.

1480
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,440
Uh, they're going to run into the same

1481
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,220
issues they did during COVID particularly with Rogan.

1482
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:32,680
They held strong on that and I have

1483
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,660
respect for them, but they're going to start,

1484
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:37,140
you know, they're going to have to take

1485
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:37,800
people down.

1486
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,360
You can't say that you can't say it

1487
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:40,860
that way.

1488
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,680
You can't pronounce her name that way.

1489
00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:43,460
You can't do that.

1490
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,200
And they're going to take stuff down.

1491
00:54:45,260 --> 00:54:47,000
It's going to be a very, very messy

1492
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,820
situation.

1493
00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:51,570
I think you're right.

1494
00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:53,270
And I, but I think at the same

1495
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:59,290
time to, um, I feel like there's a

1496
00:54:59,290 --> 00:55:00,530
lot of going to be a lot, I

1497
00:55:00,530 --> 00:55:01,950
think there's going to be shell shock from

1498
00:55:01,950 --> 00:55:03,950
this election that lasts a long time.

1499
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:06,070
Oh, no, no, no.

1500
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:09,090
Not just, you know, there's a lot, there's

1501
00:55:09,090 --> 00:55:13,710
ample evidence that a lot of, uh, Democrat

1502
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:16,370
party operatives, but also media are saying, you

1503
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:19,470
know, maybe we made a mistake by forcing

1504
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:23,650
everybody to say Latin X and then use

1505
00:55:23,650 --> 00:55:26,790
correct pronouns as being so rabid about how

1506
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:28,970
you pronounce the candidate's name.

1507
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:31,490
There is some self-awareness.

1508
00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:33,590
This, I see it as very healthy for,

1509
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:35,630
for the mainstream, but it's a little too

1510
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:39,010
late that we've moved on.

1511
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:40,530
Yeah.

1512
00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:44,510
You know, uh, YouTube has pulled way back

1513
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:48,990
on their takedowns of for, for certain speech

1514
00:55:48,990 --> 00:55:49,430
related thing.

1515
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:51,250
Like they've, they've really, there's a big New

1516
00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:54,290
York times article about three, about three or

1517
00:55:54,290 --> 00:56:00,450
four weeks ago, um, criticizing YouTube for not

1518
00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:04,790
taking down like a 2020 election denial info

1519
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:05,710
and things like that.

1520
00:56:06,310 --> 00:56:07,770
They've, they've actually pulled way back.

1521
00:56:07,810 --> 00:56:09,830
I think, I think they're, I think they're

1522
00:56:09,830 --> 00:56:12,550
going to have to, um, wait to survive.

1523
00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:12,870
Yeah.

1524
00:56:13,290 --> 00:56:13,910
But to survive.

1525
00:56:14,050 --> 00:56:14,210
Yeah.

1526
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:17,090
But when she talks about distribution, the distribution

1527
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:20,230
mechanism, I mean, it is fundamentally broken.

1528
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:23,530
We knew this would happen 25 years ago.

1529
00:56:24,030 --> 00:56:26,610
We knew the internet would disintermediate everything.

1530
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:28,550
We knew that this was going to happen.

1531
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:31,670
Just like we knew that newspapers would run

1532
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:34,450
into financial trouble because their revenue was coming

1533
00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:37,150
from the classified ads and not people actually

1534
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:38,370
paying for the news.

1535
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:42,070
It is news by its news has no

1536
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:42,510
value.

1537
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:43,350
It's just news.

1538
00:56:43,930 --> 00:56:44,830
That's what Twitter is.

1539
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:47,130
Twitter is going to become, or X is

1540
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:49,550
going to become a news app, just news.

1541
00:56:50,090 --> 00:56:52,630
And it'll be AI based and some will

1542
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:55,190
be true and some will be completely fabricated.

1543
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:56,610
It'll be all kinds of stuff, but it's

1544
00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:58,310
just going to be a feed of news.

1545
00:56:58,310 --> 00:57:00,110
News has no value.

1546
00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:01,730
That's why Twitter is free.

1547
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:05,490
Basically opinion will always matter.

1548
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:07,830
People like opinions.

1549
00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:09,550
They like listening to opinions.

1550
00:57:10,310 --> 00:57:12,790
So NPR, you know, they've got to figure

1551
00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:14,810
out, Hey, if they would say, Hey, we're,

1552
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:15,870
we're opinion here.

1553
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:18,370
And here's the news that we're reading that

1554
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:18,890
you're reading.

1555
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:22,170
We think it's true, false, bullcrap, whatever opinion

1556
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:22,830
will matter.

1557
00:57:22,830 --> 00:57:25,750
And people will gravitate towards people who they

1558
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:28,250
think their opinion is correct or matters, their

1559
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:28,630
own.

1560
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:30,150
That's just human nature.

1561
00:57:30,830 --> 00:57:33,450
And where do you think you can get

1562
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:34,190
opinion?

1563
00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:37,050
Where do you, where's the slam dunk place?

1564
00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:39,150
You always know you can find people's opinion

1565
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:40,110
is podcasting.

1566
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:40,310
Yeah.

1567
00:57:41,230 --> 00:57:41,870
Curry and the keeper.

1568
00:57:44,590 --> 00:57:45,070
Yes.

1569
00:57:46,090 --> 00:57:46,270
Yeah.

1570
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:48,270
I was going to let you drop that

1571
00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:48,410
one.

1572
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:49,410
Thank you.

1573
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:55,410
Clip seven is, is, is about.

1574
00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:59,430
See my Micah puts it that they're going

1575
00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:01,910
to choose the people have been tuning out

1576
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:04,130
of the mainstream and his, in his words,

1577
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:08,250
choosing other voices to listen to the local

1578
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:10,510
news business has been devastated.

1579
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:12,770
People's habits have changed.

1580
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:15,390
I mean, a lot of younger people are

1581
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:19,230
not watching their local TV stations or not

1582
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:21,110
paying for their local newspaper.

1583
00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:23,970
There are still communities with access to local

1584
00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:25,690
news, but people are on YouTube.

1585
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:26,830
They're on Tik TOK.

1586
00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:29,450
They're listening to podcasts, right?

1587
00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:32,770
They have just chosen other personalities.

1588
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:36,830
They've chosen other people, journalists, or those who

1589
00:58:36,830 --> 00:58:39,870
LARP as journalists to choose their information.

1590
00:58:40,310 --> 00:58:43,390
There's no news monoculture left that is dead.

1591
00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:46,730
Those who LARP as journalists, not elitist at

1592
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:47,210
all.

1593
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:53,570
No, well, the politics, the, again, they're like,

1594
00:58:53,650 --> 00:58:55,670
okay, people have chosen to listen to other

1595
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:58,650
voices, but they don't ask why they never

1596
00:58:58,650 --> 00:59:00,190
asked that simple question.

1597
00:59:00,610 --> 00:59:03,090
Why did they, why are people making those

1598
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:03,490
choices?

1599
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:07,670
The, you know, this is, there's an entire,

1600
00:59:07,790 --> 00:59:10,250
this, this is the praxeological question, the human

1601
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:11,050
action question.

1602
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:13,030
Why do people do what they do?

1603
00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:16,450
And if you never ask that question, you're

1604
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:18,110
just, you're just playing.

1605
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:19,530
You're not serious.

1606
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:25,730
The politics and media, both are bought and

1607
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:30,590
sold using the same currency, trust and authenticity.

1608
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:34,290
That's, that's the only currency that matters within

1609
00:59:34,290 --> 00:59:35,890
the realm of politics and media.

1610
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:39,290
That's why there's currently a crisis in both

1611
00:59:39,290 --> 00:59:40,110
of those things.

1612
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:44,490
Whether you agree with somebody's opinion or not

1613
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:46,990
is, is, is, whether you agree with somebody's

1614
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:50,850
opinion is by necessity secondary to the issue

1615
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:53,190
of if you trust that this opinion is

1616
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:55,830
truly held in good faith by them.

1617
00:59:56,070 --> 00:59:58,370
This is where I'd like to insert some

1618
00:59:58,370 --> 00:59:59,630
news, some good news.

1619
01:00:00,190 --> 01:00:00,650
Okay.

1620
01:00:02,610 --> 01:00:06,770
I was discussing parts of this on no

1621
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:07,170
agenda.

1622
01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:09,690
And I said, which I think I've said

1623
01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:12,250
here, the future of media is hyperlocal because

1624
01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:14,430
there is no, he just said, well, people

1625
01:00:14,430 --> 01:00:16,570
aren't watching their local news because it's crap

1626
01:00:16,570 --> 01:00:19,590
because it's, it's network, it's network packages.

1627
01:00:19,690 --> 01:00:22,710
And then it's, you know, it's human interest

1628
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:24,870
and it's all based on, we got 30

1629
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:26,790
minutes of which eight minutes is commercials.

1630
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:27,650
We don't have any time.

1631
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:28,430
We're rushing through it.

1632
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:30,330
We'll do, we've got the sports story, got

1633
01:00:30,330 --> 01:00:30,790
the weather.

1634
01:00:30,990 --> 01:00:33,450
Well, now we only have 15 minutes left

1635
01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:35,170
to do news, local news.

1636
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:37,670
And it's just going to be whatever grabs

1637
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:38,010
people.

1638
01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:39,130
If it bleeds, it leads.

1639
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:41,150
So I was talking about this and I

1640
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:43,010
said, you know, if anybody is interested in

1641
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:45,710
setting up a hyperlocal podcast for your own

1642
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:49,250
town, your city, your community, where you live,

1643
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:50,370
excuse me.

1644
01:00:50,430 --> 01:00:52,070
So not, not a community of interest, but

1645
01:00:52,070 --> 01:00:55,970
well, by definition is, but a, a geographical

1646
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:59,850
local podcast, which by the way, you'll probably

1647
01:00:59,850 --> 01:01:01,390
be supported by your local community.

1648
01:01:01,510 --> 01:01:04,550
Probably not enough to do it full time,

1649
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:06,410
but you can do something for your community.

1650
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:09,150
I was overwhelmed.

1651
01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:12,150
I had within an hour after the show,

1652
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:13,490
I had 30 inquiries.

1653
01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:16,050
I have over a hundred, a hundred.

1654
01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:18,590
I've never had a response to something.

1655
01:01:18,690 --> 01:01:20,230
I had to write up a webpage for

1656
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:20,390
it.

1657
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:22,010
It's unbelievable.

1658
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:25,110
People like, yes, this is a good idea.

1659
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:27,130
I can be the voice in my community.

1660
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:30,350
I can be not just a voice, the

1661
01:01:30,350 --> 01:01:30,870
voice.

1662
01:01:31,110 --> 01:01:32,670
There are no more voices.

1663
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:34,570
And, and I think you're going to see

1664
01:01:34,570 --> 01:01:39,850
even more disintermediation of, of the networks who

1665
01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:42,670
by necessity have had to roll up into

1666
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:45,070
like, you know, Elvis Duran in New York,

1667
01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:45,730
Z100.

1668
01:01:46,030 --> 01:01:47,550
He's not just New York anymore.

1669
01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:48,850
He's in 15 markets.

1670
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:51,650
So he, he by definition can't do all

1671
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:52,510
the local news.

1672
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:56,330
That's the hole that podcasting needs to jump

1673
01:01:56,330 --> 01:01:56,710
into.

1674
01:01:56,850 --> 01:01:57,830
It's wide open.

1675
01:01:58,210 --> 01:02:00,810
The water's clear and fresh and good.

1676
01:02:01,550 --> 01:02:03,150
I want to do it.

1677
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:05,410
I want to do a podcast, local podcast

1678
01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:07,150
for my little, for my community.

1679
01:02:07,330 --> 01:02:09,030
I don't have the time, but I like

1680
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:11,070
the desire is there because I think it

1681
01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:13,690
would be so, I know for a fact

1682
01:02:13,690 --> 01:02:16,210
that in the little part of town that

1683
01:02:16,210 --> 01:02:20,310
I live in, that it would, people, everybody

1684
01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:21,370
would tune into that.

1685
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:22,650
Everybody would listen.

1686
01:02:22,830 --> 01:02:23,190
Of course.

1687
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:25,610
If you just talking to people in the

1688
01:02:25,610 --> 01:02:28,250
community, I mean, even to make it a

1689
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:29,090
call in show.

1690
01:02:29,790 --> 01:02:30,230
Whatever.

1691
01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:32,990
Take calls and just talk about stuff going

1692
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:33,650
on down the street.

1693
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:35,390
Just have people call into voicemail.

1694
01:02:36,430 --> 01:02:36,670
Yeah.

1695
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:39,890
Talk about, you know, aunt Rudy down the

1696
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:41,270
street and how she keeps letting her dog

1697
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:41,850
out of the fence.

1698
01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:45,150
I mean, anybody would, would, would listen to

1699
01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:45,430
that.

1700
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,330
It's like, see, like a, it's like C

1701
01:02:48,330 --> 01:02:49,850
-SPAN, but local, you know?

1702
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:50,250
Yes.

1703
01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:51,430
Yes.

1704
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:56,210
But like truth, truth always exists.

1705
01:02:59,540 --> 01:03:03,000
Truth always exists downstream from trust.

1706
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,640
If you don't trust where the information is

1707
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,260
coming from, you're never even going to get

1708
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:11,860
to the point of thinking about whether it's

1709
01:03:11,860 --> 01:03:14,900
true that that's, it's so secondary.

1710
01:03:15,380 --> 01:03:18,460
I mean, trust takes years to acquire and

1711
01:03:18,460 --> 01:03:19,880
it takes minutes to lose.

1712
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:24,900
And that is the problem with that is

1713
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:26,900
the problem that this, that's, that's the whole

1714
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:30,920
reason why people are tuning out of mass

1715
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,520
media and going to podcasts because they feel

1716
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,860
like the true, they feel a level of

1717
01:03:37,860 --> 01:03:38,820
trust there.

1718
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,160
And the trust is based on honesty.

1719
01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:48,860
They, you may not agree with the, with

1720
01:03:48,860 --> 01:03:51,380
the podcaster, with the host or the guests

1721
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:55,720
opinions, but you feel like you can tell,

1722
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,020
you feel like you can judge accurately whether

1723
01:04:00,020 --> 01:04:01,380
they're honest.

1724
01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:06,500
And that sets you up with the proper

1725
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:10,580
framework to then evaluate their truth, the truth

1726
01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:11,420
of what they say.

1727
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,240
And that's a problem for, for NPR or

1728
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,400
excuse me, WNYC or, you know, whoever these,

1729
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,020
you know, MSNBC, CNN, Fox.

1730
01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:24,220
I mean, it's a problem for all these

1731
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:28,060
people because they've ideologically pigeonholed themselves.

1732
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,360
Like that's clip eight.

1733
01:04:30,220 --> 01:04:30,700
Yeah.

1734
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:33,840
And every successive Republican administration has said they're

1735
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,440
going to cut funding, but in those days,

1736
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:38,140
yes.

1737
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,120
And in those days when we've covered it

1738
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,440
in the past, we've said, but we have

1739
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,180
this solid conservative listenership and they don't want

1740
01:04:46,180 --> 01:04:47,120
it to be gone either.

1741
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,940
And so it would not be a popular

1742
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:51,640
decision on the part of any kind of

1743
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:52,440
local Republican.

1744
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,820
I don't know if that's true.

1745
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,680
I don't know if that's true either.

1746
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,540
I think it's certainly less true.

1747
01:04:58,260 --> 01:05:00,440
It's more vulnerable than ever.

1748
01:05:01,260 --> 01:05:01,780
Yeah.

1749
01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:05,760
So basically they're saying we used to have

1750
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,740
a financial bulwark against our own, you know,

1751
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,320
demise because we had a sort of an

1752
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,680
ideologically balanced listenership.

1753
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,860
It may have leaned a little bit more

1754
01:05:17,860 --> 01:05:20,920
heavily to the left, but at least it

1755
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,160
was maybe 60, 40, whereas now it's like

1756
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,260
90, 10.

1757
01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:29,460
And you can't, that is a, you've put

1758
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:31,340
yourself into a precarious position.

1759
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,560
And the problem is they don't, since they're

1760
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,940
just message passing, uh, clip 10, uh, excuse

1761
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:39,900
me, clip nine.

1762
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:44,160
They, they don't know how to think about

1763
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,820
this in any other way than what they've

1764
01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:46,360
always done.

1765
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,200
I think in the end we, we keep

1766
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,100
talking about the messages that are out there,

1767
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,480
how they get out there.

1768
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,260
And this is the executive producer, I think,

1769
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,160
isn't this the executive?

1770
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:01,920
No, this is Brooke.

1771
01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:02,580
Oh, that is Brooke.

1772
01:06:02,860 --> 01:06:02,960
Okay.

1773
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:03,400
Yeah.

1774
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,160
Hope that we can make a contribution.

1775
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,500
I don't, again, we can't predict the future,

1776
01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:21,600
but, but I, I don't know that we're

1777
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:22,940
going to see a Trump bump again.

1778
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:26,120
I think it could be isolated to like

1779
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,540
maybe the New York times.

1780
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,880
I'm sure some sub stacks will go gang

1781
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:30,280
buster.

1782
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,540
I'm sure some Tik TOK accounts and podcasts

1783
01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:35,740
will get a whole bunch of new subscribers,

1784
01:06:35,740 --> 01:06:38,500
but I don't know.

1785
01:06:38,740 --> 01:06:39,140
I don't know.

1786
01:06:39,140 --> 01:06:42,520
I mean, yes, I fear that the mass

1787
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:43,540
switching off.

1788
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:51,100
Well, I don't know.

1789
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:52,380
Yeah.

1790
01:06:52,460 --> 01:06:54,920
So the Trump bump they're referencing for those

1791
01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:00,760
who don't know the term, um, is the

1792
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,280
term means that whatever happens with an election

1793
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,180
with Trump and people were flocking to the

1794
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:09,880
news to find out why, what, how, where,

1795
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,580
and as is witnessed by not just cable

1796
01:07:14,580 --> 01:07:18,240
news down 40, 50% in viewership overnight,

1797
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:22,380
but also many YouTube channels were losing.

1798
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,340
So people are walking away from it.

1799
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:25,560
They're just sick of it.

1800
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:26,760
They're just sick of it.

1801
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,240
They're tired of all of it.

1802
01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:30,520
They're going outside to smell the freedom.

1803
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:33,860
Well, they, they know that this is the

1804
01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:36,340
last, this is the last hurrah of Trump.

1805
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:37,440
He's gone after this.

1806
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,820
There's, there's not going to be, there's probably

1807
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:43,560
never going to be anything like him again.

1808
01:07:44,260 --> 01:07:46,420
And so that's just like, eh, who cares?

1809
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:48,140
I think I'm just going to get this

1810
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:48,620
engagement.

1811
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:49,460
I agree.

1812
01:07:49,780 --> 01:07:50,020
Yeah.

1813
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,760
I'm just going to go on with my

1814
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:52,760
life.

1815
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,560
What's in what happens happens.

1816
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,420
And that's a, again, in an election year,

1817
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,980
Amazon cutting back ad spending 20%.

1818
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:06,060
This is all very telling, but, but the

1819
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:08,800
clip 10 shows that Amazon, I mean, uh,

1820
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,880
that on the media and I think just

1821
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,460
NPR in general, traditional media, I just don't

1822
01:08:15,460 --> 01:08:17,779
think they can think they can't think of

1823
01:08:17,779 --> 01:08:19,180
any other way to function.

1824
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:21,060
I don't know what else we can do.

1825
01:08:21,220 --> 01:08:23,979
I mean, it's not like we have the

1826
01:08:23,979 --> 01:08:24,399
answers.

1827
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:27,100
We, we know how to do this thing,

1828
01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:30,740
tell the truth, try to contextualize it and

1829
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:33,279
send it out into the world, like a

1830
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,420
message in a bottle that you throw off

1831
01:08:36,420 --> 01:08:38,700
the side of a rowboat.

1832
01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:42,760
That is our role.

1833
01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:45,160
We can do it differently.

1834
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,140
We can see what kind of message resonates,

1835
01:08:50,420 --> 01:08:52,100
but we don't run a campaign.

1836
01:08:52,819 --> 01:08:57,720
We don't, we're just trying to be honest

1837
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:58,140
brokers.

1838
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,800
When I heard that, my first thought was

1839
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,520
they actually thought they were running the campaign.

1840
01:09:05,859 --> 01:09:07,939
It's like, we were, we're running this, we're,

1841
01:09:07,939 --> 01:09:10,680
we're, we're, we're supposed to be making this

1842
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:11,000
happen.

1843
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:13,080
We're the ones that, that, uh, determine who

1844
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,140
gets elected or not.

1845
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,939
And, you know, listen to Joe Rogan.

1846
01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:19,640
He sits down with a guest and lets

1847
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:20,859
them say whatever's on their minds.

1848
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,080
It's unfiltered.

1849
01:09:22,819 --> 01:09:24,100
Same with Bill Maher.

1850
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,840
If you want an example on the left,

1851
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,979
Bill Maher does the same thing.

1852
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:30,680
His interview, listen to Bill Maher's interview with

1853
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:31,420
Ben Shapiro.

1854
01:09:31,620 --> 01:09:33,500
I love listening to Bill Maher's interviews.

1855
01:09:33,859 --> 01:09:34,920
I don't agree with him.

1856
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,819
I actually agree with a lot of things

1857
01:09:36,819 --> 01:09:38,760
with him, but it's, it's nice.

1858
01:09:38,859 --> 01:09:40,540
It's comfortable to listen to.

1859
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:42,160
I get an opinion of the guy.

1860
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:42,880
I don't hate him.

1861
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,120
If it was just soundbites of like, I

1862
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,359
hate you, but no, it's because it's, it's

1863
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:50,020
unfiltered.

1864
01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:51,080
It's comfortable.

1865
01:09:51,620 --> 01:09:54,900
He did interviews with Ben Shapiro, uh, Candace

1866
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:55,420
Owen.

1867
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,380
He's done, he's interviewed tons of people on

1868
01:09:58,380 --> 01:10:00,140
the, what you might call far right.

1869
01:10:01,020 --> 01:10:06,160
And he is, and those interviews are very

1870
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,960
delightful to listen to.

1871
01:10:08,420 --> 01:10:10,080
And they, you hear, you hear them have

1872
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,280
points of commonality.

1873
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,540
You hear them have points of, of disagreement.

1874
01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:16,460
It's a, it's, it's fantastic.

1875
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:19,780
You can, you feel like you have space,

1876
01:10:20,060 --> 01:10:21,940
mental space to make up your own mind

1877
01:10:21,940 --> 01:10:22,900
about what you think.

1878
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,880
That's what podcasting is.

1879
01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:25,380
Wow.

1880
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:27,900
Now, you know, I love how you've, how

1881
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:28,740
you've done this.

1882
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:30,420
That was good.

1883
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:32,780
Authenticity.

1884
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,460
That's the currency of podcasting to me.

1885
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:36,960
That's that to me.

1886
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:39,400
That's why this was a podcast election.

1887
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,500
It's a shitty bumper sticker, but yes, it's

1888
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:41,860
true.

1889
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:43,920
Also not a great t-shirt.

1890
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:46,280
Podcasting is authenticity.

1891
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:47,740
Yeah.

1892
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:48,840
That's too much.

1893
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,180
How about this?

1894
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,220
How about we take a breather and we

1895
01:10:52,220 --> 01:10:54,780
play, play a little music, play a little,

1896
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:55,940
a little, a value verse music.

1897
01:10:55,980 --> 01:10:56,700
How does that sound?

1898
01:10:57,220 --> 01:10:57,560
Do it.

1899
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,400
I got this from, uh, our, uh, from,

1900
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,240
uh, from Jim from phantom power music.

1901
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,100
He said, check it out.

1902
01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:07,420
TJ Wong kingdom come here on two point.

1903
01:11:57,740 --> 01:12:02,800
I'll do my best not to let you

1904
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:03,480
go.

1905
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:34,500
It doesn't matter what you've done.

1906
01:12:36,240 --> 01:13:13,080
So don't

1907
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,180
you know, we don't need to fight.

1908
01:14:01,540 --> 01:14:03,500
Turns out to be a pretty appropriate song

1909
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:04,480
for the topic today.

1910
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,600
TJ Wong, Kingdom Come, Value for Value.

1911
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:11,120
If you like the song, just scroll back

1912
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,220
a little bit, hit your back button.

1913
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:15,980
You can even pause it, boost the artist,

1914
01:14:16,140 --> 01:14:18,080
support them, putting their music up value for

1915
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,820
value everywhere in the value verse.

1916
01:14:20,540 --> 01:14:21,460
I like it.

1917
01:14:21,660 --> 01:14:22,280
Yeah, I like that one.

1918
01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:23,140
Yeah, it's a good song.

1919
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:24,700
It's a toe tapper.

1920
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:25,640
It's a good one.

1921
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:27,420
It is a toe tapper.

1922
01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:28,980
It's a toe tapper, I tell you.

1923
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:32,160
Well, that was a good deconstruction, Dave.

1924
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:33,440
I think you've nailed it.

1925
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:35,460
And it doesn't really matter what the topic

1926
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:38,220
is, whether it's politics or anything.

1927
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,600
I mean, just hearing like ATP, you know,

1928
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:43,020
they talk technology.

1929
01:14:43,220 --> 01:14:46,280
They all they have a very different political

1930
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,720
view of the world than I do.

1931
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,200
But, you know, it's interesting to hear people

1932
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:50,720
just talk.

1933
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,320
We've this is we've known this forever.

1934
01:14:54,900 --> 01:14:56,920
And that was sort of a long series

1935
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:57,480
of clips.

1936
01:14:57,780 --> 01:15:00,640
But but, you know, but I think that.

1937
01:15:02,660 --> 01:15:04,280
I think it really matters.

1938
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,140
I don't know, I think it matters to

1939
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:09,740
know why it did.

1940
01:15:11,260 --> 01:15:13,020
We I think everybody says, you know, yeah,

1941
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,920
podcasting played a big role in this election.

1942
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,120
But you have to say, why did it

1943
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:18,660
play a big role?

1944
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:19,920
You can't just say that it did.

1945
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:20,540
Right.

1946
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:22,540
I mean, you have to you have to

1947
01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:24,560
have a sort of an explanation for it.

1948
01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:27,640
And yes, sometimes, yeah, it takes a while

1949
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,300
to get sort of to the point.

1950
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:32,080
And but it's it's and now that you've

1951
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,780
said it like that, it's so true with

1952
01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:37,460
everything, with with with all you know, it's

1953
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:39,860
a funny because for a while there, I

1954
01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:41,860
don't know if it's still in play, but

1955
01:15:41,860 --> 01:15:43,740
it's like you've got to make shorter shows,

1956
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:44,580
got to be snappy.

1957
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:45,980
People want short content.

1958
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,900
I don't agree with that.

1959
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,420
I have never agreed with that.

1960
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,480
I do two, three and a half hour

1961
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:53,360
shows a week.

1962
01:15:54,220 --> 01:15:56,640
But I don't know that people tune out

1963
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:57,360
sometimes.

1964
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,580
You know, the by the time we're done

1965
01:15:59,580 --> 01:16:04,020
at the end, it's 40, 50 percent of

1966
01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:04,980
what we started with.

1967
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:07,400
But.

1968
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,700
I know that, you know, people listen as

1969
01:16:10,700 --> 01:16:12,060
long as they want to, and they'll come

1970
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:14,240
back and they'll try the next show and

1971
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:15,880
they may stay longer, they may not.

1972
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:18,620
But or the the topics may not interest

1973
01:16:18,620 --> 01:16:18,840
them.

1974
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,360
You know, chapters are kind of helpful for

1975
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:20,620
that.

1976
01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:22,700
Some people just don't want to listen to

1977
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:23,320
some things.

1978
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:25,920
But they.

1979
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,380
Dvorak and I, we talk about this often,

1980
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,300
why are people listening to us?

1981
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:33,200
Why?

1982
01:16:33,660 --> 01:16:34,780
Why are they listening to us?

1983
01:16:35,380 --> 01:16:37,200
And, you know, the conclusion is, first of

1984
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,540
all, we're doing it as a service.

1985
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:40,480
We're not you know, it's not a product.

1986
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,040
It's not a product and it's not a

1987
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,580
bundle or a plus or a subscription or

1988
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:46,340
anything like that.

1989
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:49,020
We also don't interrupt your time with ads.

1990
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,660
I think that's an important part of it.

1991
01:16:50,660 --> 01:16:53,380
And and we're doing it as a service

1992
01:16:53,380 --> 01:16:55,920
because we we're giving we are definitely only

1993
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,820
giving our opinion now based on what we

1994
01:16:58,820 --> 01:16:59,680
think are facts.

1995
01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:02,280
And we come with clips and other things

1996
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,020
to to try and make a case.

1997
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,200
Sometimes I would say most of the time

1998
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,700
I'm just trying to convince him.

1999
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:08,820
He's trying to convince me.

2000
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,600
And the audience listens along.

2001
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,060
I'm not trying to really convince anybody in

2002
01:17:13,060 --> 01:17:15,220
the audience, though, by the way.

2003
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,720
Yeah, you're you're not passing messages here.

2004
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:20,620
You know, you're not you're not message passing,

2005
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:22,760
you're just like giving your opinion.

2006
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:23,420
Exactly.

2007
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,280
And sometimes we're right.

2008
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:32,280
Yeah, passing passing messages is that's not it's

2009
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:32,980
just not natural.

2010
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,120
People don't talk that way.

2011
01:17:34,340 --> 01:17:36,060
You know, that's that's the way politics.

2012
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,300
That's the way politicians use car salesman.

2013
01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:38,820
Yes.

2014
01:17:39,620 --> 01:17:39,980
Yes.

2015
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,200
And just like all politics is local, all

2016
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:45,480
podcasting will be local.

2017
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,800
Frank Franco, he he got he got us

2018
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,920
a he got us the skinny on the

2019
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:54,720
Italian licensing.

2020
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,420
Oh, yeah.

2021
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:58,380
The license, the licensing dudes who are like,

2022
01:17:58,540 --> 01:18:00,520
you owe us thirty thousand dollars.

2023
01:18:01,420 --> 01:18:01,620
Yeah.

2024
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:02,180
Yeah.

2025
01:18:02,460 --> 01:18:08,320
Basically, he somebody within the Italian podcasting world

2026
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,340
kind of it looks like they're going to

2027
01:18:10,340 --> 01:18:11,040
call their bluff.

2028
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:13,840
And so we're we're we sent him a

2029
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,460
you know, we don't owe you anything.

2030
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:16,080
We don't owe you any money letter.

2031
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,780
So I think we've handled that for now.

2032
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:20,880
But however it shakes out, we'll if we

2033
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,080
can, we'll let everybody know.

2034
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,260
So in case they get some similar letter,

2035
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,200
you'll know how to respond.

2036
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:26,860
Yeah, we never I don't think we ever

2037
01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:28,260
heard back from him, by the way.

2038
01:18:28,980 --> 01:18:30,680
Now, I haven't seen anything back from him

2039
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:30,840
either.

2040
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,780
No, of course not.

2041
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:35,600
I said, go pound sand, boy.

2042
01:18:37,820 --> 01:18:38,480
All right.

2043
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:40,520
Well, it's time to thank some people, seeing

2044
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,680
as we're on on your winter schedule.

2045
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,220
OK, yeah.

2046
01:18:45,460 --> 01:18:46,060
I'll start it off.

2047
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,000
We've got some live boost.

2048
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:51,360
Cole McCormick, 1111 with mainstream media dying.

2049
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,200
I want to encourage the boardroom to check

2050
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,480
out my conversation with Zach from Indie Hub.

2051
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:57,200
That's Indie with double E.

2052
01:18:57,780 --> 01:18:59,940
We spoke for two hours on episode one

2053
01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:02,380
nine one thirty nine of America Plus, which

2054
01:19:02,380 --> 01:19:03,020
is a great show.

2055
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,580
He's a real innovator who sees the value

2056
01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:07,300
in authentic art and expression.

2057
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,080
Movies are not products.

2058
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,100
They are a service.

2059
01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:11,680
We're just talking about that.

2060
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,860
Yeah, I know Zach from Indie Hub.

2061
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:14,380
Yeah.

2062
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:16,160
Thirty three.

2063
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:19,320
Thirty three from Bit Punk FM.

2064
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:21,800
Podcasting is authenticity.

2065
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:23,260
Bumper stickers for the wind.

2066
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:25,220
No, no.

2067
01:19:25,940 --> 01:19:27,460
One, two, three from these laughs.

2068
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,500
This is fire, he said.

2069
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:29,840
That was for TJ Wong.

2070
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,160
We got 50 cents from Sockeye the horse.

2071
01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:32,580
Thank you.

2072
01:19:32,660 --> 01:19:34,140
Sockeye always 50 cents.

2073
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,960
Two thousand for Booberry.

2074
01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:39,060
Nick, the rat has the best show about

2075
01:19:39,060 --> 01:19:41,920
a locale, which is the sewers of Brooklyn,

2076
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:42,480
New York.

2077
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:44,960
Call him nine one seven seven one nine

2078
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,040
five nine two three.

2079
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,460
Then we had the two boosts from Sam,

2080
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:51,580
his triple sevens.

2081
01:19:51,820 --> 01:19:52,220
Whoa.

2082
01:19:52,860 --> 01:19:54,840
They buy a bio drone.

2083
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:57,160
Fifty thousand sats.

2084
01:19:57,940 --> 01:19:58,980
Oh, at these prices.

2085
01:19:59,140 --> 01:19:59,740
Goodness gracious.

2086
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:02,460
Yes, I think that deserves a shot.

2087
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,360
Twenty is blaze on the Impala and bio

2088
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,340
drone says happy two hundred lads.

2089
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:10,140
My business partner and I have been inspired

2090
01:20:10,140 --> 01:20:11,260
by podcast index.

2091
01:20:11,260 --> 01:20:14,460
So we've created the smart home index at

2092
01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:16,160
smart home index dot com.

2093
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,200
Quick question for the professionals.

2094
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,080
How do we do the acknowledge part of

2095
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,360
the feedback loop with the website?

2096
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,280
Or is the answer do a podcast dummy?

2097
01:20:28,620 --> 01:20:30,900
OK, well, I think I can answer.

2098
01:20:31,140 --> 01:20:32,060
I think I can answer.

2099
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:33,900
So he's talking about values, doing this value

2100
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:34,500
for value.

2101
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:37,940
Look at how GoFundMe works.

2102
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:39,520
GoFundMe.

2103
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,000
You have the GoFundMe.

2104
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,800
You have the the explanation of why people

2105
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,640
are raising money.

2106
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,620
And then on the side, there's a banner

2107
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:48,400
like a scrolling thing.

2108
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,700
And it says so and so donated so

2109
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:52,360
much so and so donated so much.

2110
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:53,760
And you can put a little message in

2111
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:53,880
there.

2112
01:20:53,940 --> 01:20:54,740
You can be anonymous.

2113
01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:56,900
It's very much like a booster grant.

2114
01:20:57,100 --> 01:20:59,280
So just put a place on your website

2115
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,380
where people can where the support messages come

2116
01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:05,740
through with the with the payment.

2117
01:21:05,860 --> 01:21:07,880
And I think it's very important to have

2118
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,320
the amount there because that works aspirational and

2119
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:11,020
inspirational.

2120
01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:13,220
And that's your feedback loop.

2121
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:17,560
Mike Mike Dell, 1701, happy 200.

2122
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:18,240
Thank you, Mike.

2123
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:19,200
Salty crayon.

2124
01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:22,080
Seventy seven, seven, seven, two hundredth where Dave

2125
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:26,020
is studio two hundredth where Dave is pseudo

2126
01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:28,320
the Linux and Adam is pinging the pongs.

2127
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,860
We are all still loving running with scissors

2128
01:21:30,860 --> 01:21:32,300
in the boardroom in the pipe.

2129
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,820
Go podcasting.

2130
01:21:35,740 --> 01:21:37,920
Lyceum 111, congrats on your milestone.

2131
01:21:38,620 --> 01:21:39,900
Think Biodrone again.

2132
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,380
One, three, three, seven leaps, boost and 20

2133
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:45,040
,000 sets from dreads.

2134
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,900
Dred Scott coming in from Castamatic.

2135
01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:47,900
Congrats on 200.

2136
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:49,640
Go podcasting.

2137
01:21:50,260 --> 01:21:53,180
And I have up 22,000 from cotton

2138
01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:53,540
gin.

2139
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:54,720
Happy 200.

2140
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:55,920
Thank you for your courage.

2141
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,200
Thank you, guys.

2142
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,960
And I believe I've hit the delimiters.

2143
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,960
Yes, is is reaching a milestone of many,

2144
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:05,740
many episodes.

2145
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:06,900
I mean, it's a thing.

2146
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:10,120
That's really just that's really just an like

2147
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,100
a judgment on how much you love to

2148
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:14,320
hear yourself talk, right?

2149
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:17,640
It's something very interesting that I've learned about

2150
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,340
value for value over the years.

2151
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:21,900
People first of all, people love to support

2152
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:22,100
you.

2153
01:22:22,180 --> 01:22:24,140
They love to support you for a reason

2154
01:22:24,140 --> 01:22:26,800
and they love numerology.

2155
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:29,880
See all these eleven, eleven, seven, seven, three

2156
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:30,360
threes.

2157
01:22:30,740 --> 01:22:31,840
People love numerology.

2158
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,460
So when a round number pops up like

2159
01:22:34,460 --> 01:22:36,780
a 200 or a 500 or a thousand,

2160
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:40,020
they like to match that number and they

2161
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:41,680
like to celebrate that number.

2162
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:43,880
It's like, I don't know, humans like that

2163
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,260
birthdays, anniversaries.

2164
01:22:45,660 --> 01:22:47,320
We just like to celebrate things.

2165
01:22:47,660 --> 01:22:50,160
And it's always been and it's now we

2166
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:51,020
don't do a newsletter.

2167
01:22:51,980 --> 01:22:54,340
But when no agenda has we had seventeen

2168
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:54,720
hundred.

2169
01:22:55,260 --> 01:22:56,500
We had 17 years.

2170
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,640
I didn't get a mention in the pod

2171
01:22:58,640 --> 01:22:58,860
news.

2172
01:22:58,940 --> 01:23:00,380
I was a little disappointed by that.

2173
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:01,980
What, what, what?

2174
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,960
Seventeen years, you know, people were sending seventeen

2175
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,460
dollars, one hundred and seventy dollars, seventeen hundred

2176
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:09,180
dollars.

2177
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:11,420
People love doing that.

2178
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,280
And yes, of course, we love hearing our

2179
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:14,740
own voice.

2180
01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:15,100
Hello.

2181
01:23:16,820 --> 01:23:17,960
It's like birthdays.

2182
01:23:18,140 --> 01:23:20,900
It's like congratulations on not dying.

2183
01:23:21,340 --> 01:23:22,280
Yeah, you're still here.

2184
01:23:23,180 --> 01:23:24,940
Congrats on still being in my life.

2185
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:27,420
See, we got.

2186
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,800
Oscar, Mary, two hundred dollars.

2187
01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:32,840
Whoa, Oscar.

2188
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,560
So I call up when he is blaze

2189
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:37,680
on the Impala.

2190
01:23:38,020 --> 01:23:38,480
Thank you.

2191
01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:40,320
Thank you, Oscar.

2192
01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:43,580
I think Oscar's getting fountain back on track.

2193
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:46,700
Yes, it's the stability is back.

2194
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,320
Rough patch, but it looks like he's getting

2195
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,800
getting the ship on course.

2196
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:53,160
Yeah, it's hard, man.

2197
01:23:53,260 --> 01:23:56,660
It's I've had so many people like church

2198
01:23:56,660 --> 01:23:57,020
people.

2199
01:23:57,020 --> 01:23:59,620
You know, who are not the most not

2200
01:23:59,620 --> 01:24:01,400
I don't want to pigeonhole, but a lot

2201
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,980
of them are a little older.

2202
01:24:03,220 --> 01:24:05,880
They're in their 60s, late 60s, some early

2203
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:06,580
70s.

2204
01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:08,820
And they're like, I'm having some problems.

2205
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,280
And the first thing I say is, it's

2206
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:10,660
amazing.

2207
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:12,200
Any of this stuff works is what I

2208
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:12,460
say.

2209
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:13,660
And they're like, oh, OK.

2210
01:24:13,700 --> 01:24:15,400
So I frame I frame it right there

2211
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:15,980
for it's amazing.

2212
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:17,000
Any of this stuff works.

2213
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:19,920
And then I say, stick with it.

2214
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,300
This is just a couple of guys.

2215
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,960
And when you put it in that context,

2216
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,200
like, oh, OK, I'll stick with it.

2217
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,260
You know, I'm all I never say, you

2218
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:29,580
know, don't switch or switch.

2219
01:24:29,660 --> 01:24:30,980
I just take it.

2220
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,500
You know, and they have a feedback mechanism.

2221
01:24:34,780 --> 01:24:36,400
If there's something you can't figure out, they're

2222
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,180
very responsive.

2223
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,140
There's something you don't understand.

2224
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:40,940
They can help you or I can try

2225
01:24:40,940 --> 01:24:41,520
and help you.

2226
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,180
But I'm always putting it in that for

2227
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:45,120
the first frame is it's amazing.

2228
01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:46,540
Any of this stuff works at all.

2229
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,140
Believe me, we're not Google.

2230
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:50,820
That's for sure.

2231
01:24:51,140 --> 01:24:53,960
Yes, that's truer words were never spoken.

2232
01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:58,320
Kyle Bondo sent us 50 bucks through PayPal.

2233
01:24:58,900 --> 01:24:59,000
Wow.

2234
01:24:59,080 --> 01:24:59,640
Thank you, Kyle.

2235
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,780
Yeah, Kyle says Kyle from Flogner out here

2236
01:25:03,780 --> 01:25:05,100
in the Valley of the Dinosaurs.

2237
01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:07,460
Wishing you both a happy 200th episode.

2238
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,860
Bravo Zulu to your both as you ride

2239
01:25:09,860 --> 01:25:10,280
the lightning.

2240
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:11,000
Go podcast.

2241
01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:12,000
Yes, thank you.

2242
01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:13,240
Go podcasting.

2243
01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:16,750
Let's see.

2244
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:17,730
We got some boosts.

2245
01:25:17,770 --> 01:25:18,330
We got up.

2246
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:18,890
There's Kyron.

2247
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:19,710
No more podcast.

2248
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:21,530
2000 sats through fountain.

2249
01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:22,910
He says happy 200 episodes.

2250
01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:23,550
Thank you.

2251
01:25:23,550 --> 01:25:24,870
Glad for all your sanities.

2252
01:25:25,050 --> 01:25:25,770
We didn't have.

2253
01:25:26,130 --> 01:25:26,410
Let's see.

2254
01:25:27,010 --> 01:25:28,430
Glad for all our sanities.

2255
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:31,430
We didn't have a fees versus splits round

2256
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:32,290
two discussion.

2257
01:25:32,710 --> 01:25:32,810
No.

2258
01:25:33,410 --> 01:25:35,670
Well, we we dodged the bullet.

2259
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:38,610
Dave's blood pressure would have reached 200 as

2260
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:38,910
well.

2261
01:25:39,330 --> 01:25:39,930
True.

2262
01:25:40,210 --> 01:25:40,410
Yes.

2263
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:43,910
Anonymous through Podverse.

2264
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:45,790
Test two from CSB.

2265
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:49,330
Twenty thousand twenty to twenty thirty three sets.

2266
01:25:49,810 --> 01:25:49,990
All right.

2267
01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:51,730
CSB, we got you.

2268
01:25:52,270 --> 01:25:53,290
Comma strip blogger.

2269
01:25:53,370 --> 01:25:54,890
This is test three from CSB.

2270
01:25:54,990 --> 01:25:55,210
Thank you.

2271
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:55,870
Comma strip blogger.

2272
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:56,590
Twenty thirty three.

2273
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:59,270
I had to slap him around a bit.

2274
01:25:59,290 --> 01:26:02,230
So on the on the mastodon, he was

2275
01:26:02,230 --> 01:26:02,970
complaining.

2276
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:04,710
And this sucks.

2277
01:26:04,810 --> 01:26:07,390
And I'm leaving podcasting to Bono.

2278
01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:09,710
I said, listen, it's classy.

2279
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:13,410
SB is like if we love that you

2280
01:26:13,410 --> 01:26:15,890
break things and find flaws and report them.

2281
01:26:15,890 --> 01:26:17,090
This is very helpful.

2282
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:20,330
But if you want to leave, just leave.

2283
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:23,010
You have to announce it.

2284
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:25,190
And I've been doing this to him for

2285
01:26:25,190 --> 01:26:27,110
almost 20 years.

2286
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:28,370
And he's still here.

2287
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:30,630
And I love him for it.

2288
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:33,670
Let's see.

2289
01:26:33,870 --> 01:26:36,710
By a drone, 51 sets out of 10,

2290
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:37,110
10.

2291
01:26:37,610 --> 01:26:38,550
He says, what a tune.

2292
01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:40,490
Heard it on podcasting 2.0. Oh, that

2293
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:41,970
was for the previous show, I guess.

2294
01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:42,210
Yeah.

2295
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:42,890
Yeah.

2296
01:26:42,910 --> 01:26:43,510
Pod home.

2297
01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:46,170
Barry, that's our buddy, Barry, through podcast guru.

2298
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:48,570
He says, when can I download your podcast

2299
01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:48,930
apps?

2300
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:51,050
Spill the beans on your secret project already,

2301
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:51,550
boys.

2302
01:26:51,550 --> 01:26:52,890
Yeah, we were going to we were going

2303
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:54,290
to talk about it today, but we ran

2304
01:26:54,290 --> 01:26:54,810
out of time.

2305
01:26:55,050 --> 01:26:56,330
And that's not that's the truth.

2306
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:57,510
We ran out of time.

2307
01:26:57,670 --> 01:27:00,310
Well, we're we're definitely going to lift some

2308
01:27:00,310 --> 01:27:00,770
of the veil.

2309
01:27:01,430 --> 01:27:02,590
It's not really an app.

2310
01:27:02,630 --> 01:27:03,410
No, it's not an app.

2311
01:27:03,970 --> 01:27:05,250
It's a it's a vision.

2312
01:27:06,090 --> 01:27:07,550
It's a it's a vision.

2313
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:08,750
We're selling a vision.

2314
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:10,630
That's a vision of the future.

2315
01:27:11,770 --> 01:27:12,130
Cotton?

2316
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:14,230
Question my question, my question, my gin.

2317
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:16,770
I think that's the brother of cotton gin.

2318
01:27:16,910 --> 01:27:17,390
Oh, yes.

2319
01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:20,070
Twenty two thousand two hundred sets.

2320
01:27:20,090 --> 01:27:20,970
He says, happy 200.

2321
01:27:20,970 --> 01:27:21,770
Thank you for your courage.

2322
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:22,470
Wow.

2323
01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:23,590
Thank you.

2324
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:27,010
I think those were supposed to be emojis.

2325
01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:28,030
Oh, OK.

2326
01:27:28,190 --> 01:27:29,230
Got it.

2327
01:27:29,530 --> 01:27:31,070
A commissary blogger.

2328
01:27:31,090 --> 01:27:34,210
Is this make sure make sure I've got

2329
01:27:34,210 --> 01:27:36,010
17000 sets, I think.

2330
01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:37,550
Oh, wait, wait, wait.

2331
01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:38,670
Music Mama's first.

2332
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:40,390
That's yes, Julie.

2333
01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:42,370
She says Abel James Austin is going to

2334
01:27:42,370 --> 01:27:43,010
be legendary.

2335
01:27:43,950 --> 01:27:44,190
Yeah.

2336
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:45,870
Yes, yes, yes.

2337
01:27:46,190 --> 01:27:47,290
Abel James is.

2338
01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:49,130
Oh, that was for the song.

2339
01:27:49,190 --> 01:27:49,370
Yes.

2340
01:27:49,370 --> 01:27:50,590
I need to plug.

2341
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:51,950
I need to remind everybody.

2342
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:53,510
December.

2343
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:56,250
Is it 16th now?

2344
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:58,030
No, no, I'm a douche bag.

2345
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:59,290
Get your calendar.

2346
01:27:59,510 --> 01:28:01,030
Yeah, I do have to get my calendar.

2347
01:28:01,610 --> 01:28:04,470
I'm pretty sure it's the 16th or 17th.

2348
01:28:04,570 --> 01:28:06,030
I think it's the 16th.

2349
01:28:06,150 --> 01:28:07,310
Oh, gosh, I feel like a douche.

2350
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:09,250
It's I don't even know when my own

2351
01:28:09,250 --> 01:28:09,850
show is.

2352
01:28:10,270 --> 01:28:12,890
Adam Curry's you've only got 12 of them.

2353
01:28:13,010 --> 01:28:13,170
I know.

2354
01:28:13,470 --> 01:28:16,630
Adam Curry's booster gram ball live will be

2355
01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:21,490
on Monday, December 16th, live from Antone's famous,

2356
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:26,250
famous venue in in Austin, Texas.

2357
01:28:26,890 --> 01:28:27,650
We've got Ainsley.

2358
01:28:27,850 --> 01:28:30,050
We've got we've got FM Rodeo.

2359
01:28:30,150 --> 01:28:31,770
There's a couple of surprise guests I can't

2360
01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:32,510
talk about yet.

2361
01:28:33,010 --> 01:28:34,430
There's going to be neon that you can

2362
01:28:34,430 --> 01:28:35,410
control with boost.

2363
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:36,410
I think I'm going to be able to

2364
01:28:36,410 --> 01:28:37,610
control the miss machine.

2365
01:28:38,050 --> 01:28:39,410
It's going to be a nanny.

2366
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:43,350
There will be actual music people who I've

2367
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:45,870
invited, you know, like people who care about

2368
01:28:45,870 --> 01:28:48,630
music and also come from the music industry.

2369
01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:51,510
I want to show them what's going on.

2370
01:28:52,090 --> 01:28:55,130
And I think it's it's it's reasonably small.

2371
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:57,550
I think it's two, 300 people at Antone's

2372
01:28:57,550 --> 01:29:00,330
and tickets are on sale now.

2373
01:29:01,550 --> 01:29:02,410
Tickets are on sale.

2374
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:04,010
Get them while they last.

2375
01:29:04,090 --> 01:29:04,530
That's right.

2376
01:29:04,590 --> 01:29:05,470
While stocks last.

2377
01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:06,970
What?

2378
01:29:07,190 --> 01:29:08,550
What are the how many?

2379
01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:10,610
So how many times is ZZ Top played

2380
01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:11,450
at Antone's?

2381
01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:14,430
Oh, it's got to be many, many times

2382
01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:16,050
for Stevie Ray Vaughan.

2383
01:29:16,270 --> 01:29:17,230
Mm hmm.

2384
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:18,390
Comic strip blogger.

2385
01:29:18,670 --> 01:29:20,650
17,000 sass through fountain, he says.

2386
01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:23,370
How do you feel a bit corners, Adam

2387
01:29:23,370 --> 01:29:23,770
and Dave?

2388
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:27,430
Please subscribe to podcast from grumpy old dames

2389
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:28,110
dot com.

2390
01:29:28,190 --> 01:29:31,570
Oh, they are the ambassadors of mature womanhood.

2391
01:29:31,930 --> 01:29:33,550
I have not heard this show yet.

2392
01:29:33,630 --> 01:29:35,610
I know grumpy old bands were grumpy old

2393
01:29:35,610 --> 01:29:36,050
dames.

2394
01:29:36,130 --> 01:29:36,610
Cool.

2395
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:40,630
They are the ambassadors of mature womanhood.

2396
01:29:40,990 --> 01:29:43,050
They're the moms you should have listened to

2397
01:29:43,050 --> 01:29:45,850
when you were kids, but did not featuring

2398
01:29:45,850 --> 01:29:49,590
Lady Vox, the singer from Ketchikan, Alaska, and

2399
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:53,030
Dame Loka, the baroness of Bora Silicate from

2400
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:54,030
Smithville, Texas.

2401
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:55,310
Yo, CSB.

2402
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:55,970
Wow.

2403
01:29:57,250 --> 01:29:58,190
That's cool.

2404
01:29:58,430 --> 01:30:00,750
That's I'm subscribing to that one.

2405
01:30:01,530 --> 01:30:02,970
I didn't know they were doing a podcast.

2406
01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:03,810
Love it.

2407
01:30:03,870 --> 01:30:06,630
I like their ambassadors of mature womanhood.

2408
01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:08,990
We need more of that.

2409
01:30:09,710 --> 01:30:10,450
Yeah, yeah.

2410
01:30:10,570 --> 01:30:10,970
Right.

2411
01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:11,650
We need a lot more.

2412
01:30:12,130 --> 01:30:13,250
We got some monthlies.

2413
01:30:13,250 --> 01:30:16,110
We got Mark Graham, one dollar Martin Lindesay,

2414
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:18,050
one dollar pod page.

2415
01:30:18,250 --> 01:30:18,570
That's Brendan.

2416
01:30:19,050 --> 01:30:19,690
Twenty five dollars.

2417
01:30:19,930 --> 01:30:21,110
Oh, Randall Black.

2418
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:21,910
Hey, Randall.

2419
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:22,650
Five dollars.

2420
01:30:23,370 --> 01:30:24,150
Joseph Maraca.

2421
01:30:24,270 --> 01:30:24,990
Five dollars.

2422
01:30:25,650 --> 01:30:26,130
Podverse.

2423
01:30:26,430 --> 01:30:27,310
Fifty dollars.

2424
01:30:27,450 --> 01:30:27,690
Thank you.

2425
01:30:27,950 --> 01:30:28,330
Thank you.

2426
01:30:29,070 --> 01:30:29,790
Lauren Ball.

2427
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:30,890
Twenty four dollars.

2428
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:31,490
Twenty cents.

2429
01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:32,070
Thank you, Lauren.

2430
01:30:32,290 --> 01:30:32,970
Basil Philip.

2431
01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:34,170
Twenty five dollars.

2432
01:30:34,230 --> 01:30:34,750
Thank you, Basil.

2433
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Mitch Downey.

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01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:37,130
Ten dollars.

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Christopher Harabarek.

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01:30:38,630 --> 01:30:39,130
Ten dollars.

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Terry Keller.

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01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:41,110
Five dollars.

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Silicone Florist.

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01:30:42,650 --> 01:30:43,330
Ten dollars.

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01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:44,670
Chris Cowen.

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01:30:44,730 --> 01:30:45,330
Five dollars.

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01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:46,610
Yara and Rosenstein.

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01:30:47,550 --> 01:30:48,070
Steinstein.

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01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:48,730
One dollar.

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01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:50,410
Paul Saltzman.

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01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:52,150
Twenty two dollars and twenty two cents.

2448
01:30:52,510 --> 01:30:52,930
Derrick J.

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01:30:53,050 --> 01:30:54,630
Viscar, the best name in podcasting.

2450
01:30:54,650 --> 01:30:55,310
Twenty one dollars.

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01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:56,650
Damon Casajak.

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01:30:56,710 --> 01:30:57,450
Fifteen dollars.

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01:30:57,610 --> 01:30:58,410
Jeremy Gerds.

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01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:59,090
Five dollars.

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01:30:59,670 --> 01:31:00,370
Gene Liverman.

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01:31:00,770 --> 01:31:01,350
Five dollars.

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01:31:01,890 --> 01:31:02,510
Michael Hall.

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01:31:02,630 --> 01:31:03,610
Five dollars and fifty cents.

2459
01:31:03,710 --> 01:31:05,210
And New Media Productions.

2460
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:06,570
That is Todd and Rob.

2461
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:08,010
Thirty dollars.

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01:31:08,350 --> 01:31:08,830
Beautiful.

2463
01:31:08,830 --> 01:31:11,310
Thank you so much for sending some value

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01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:12,850
back to the value we provide.

2465
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:15,470
This all goes into podcast index dot org,

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01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:18,610
into the machinery, into the liquidity and anything

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01:31:18,610 --> 01:31:19,530
else we can provide.

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01:31:19,630 --> 01:31:20,510
We are happy to help.

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01:31:20,590 --> 01:31:21,610
We are here to serve.

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01:31:21,730 --> 01:31:22,690
We're on a mission from God.

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01:31:23,210 --> 01:31:25,550
And we appreciate the boardroom being here as

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01:31:25,550 --> 01:31:25,950
always.

2473
01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:27,210
And we look we're going to do a

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01:31:27,210 --> 01:31:27,970
show next week, right?

2475
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:28,910
Board meeting next week.

2476
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:29,550
Regular time.

2477
01:31:29,610 --> 01:31:30,870
Regular, regular bat channel.

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01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:31,310
Beautiful.

2479
01:31:32,010 --> 01:31:32,490
My brother.

2480
01:31:32,650 --> 01:31:33,590
Have yourself a great week.

2481
01:31:33,650 --> 01:31:34,130
Oh, I'm sorry.

2482
01:31:34,190 --> 01:31:35,510
You can't have a good weekend because you're

2483
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:37,170
going to be doing the strike wallet stuff.

2484
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:37,830
That sucks.

2485
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:39,210
No, no, no.

2486
01:31:39,230 --> 01:31:39,990
I'm going to be.

2487
01:31:40,330 --> 01:31:43,750
I'm actually going to be in Kennesaw, Georgia

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01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:44,130
tomorrow.

2489
01:31:44,290 --> 01:31:45,750
Oh, what's going on?

2490
01:31:45,810 --> 01:31:47,210
Climbing competition for my daughter.

2491
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:48,930
Whoa, whoa.

2492
01:31:49,190 --> 01:31:50,090
All right.

2493
01:31:50,670 --> 01:31:51,730
So she's in pictures.

2494
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:52,410
She's competing.

2495
01:31:52,930 --> 01:31:54,350
All right, everybody.

2496
01:31:54,450 --> 01:31:56,130
Thank you so much for hanging out with

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01:31:56,130 --> 01:31:58,790
us here for the 200th board meeting of

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01:31:58,790 --> 01:32:01,270
podcasting 2.0. We'll be back next Friday.

2499
01:32:01,490 --> 01:32:02,050
See you then.

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01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:02,690
Adios.

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01:32:18,210 --> 01:32:22,810
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0.

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01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:26,650
Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

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01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:28,450
Go podcasting!

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01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:31,130
They're listening to podcasts, right?