Episode 205: Podscape

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Podcasting 2.0 for January 3rd, 2024, episode

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205, Podscape.

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Hello everybody, a brand new year, a brand

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new board meeting.

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Have you missed us?

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We've certainly missed you.

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It is time for Podcasting 2.0. Everything

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going on with podcasting, the past, the present,

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and of course, the future.

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We are the only boardroom that doesn't give

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a hoot about year-end predictions.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas hill country and in Alabama, the

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man who will never get bored like the

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Megacorp.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one and only Podsage, Mr. Dave

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Jones.

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You're right.

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I've got to be careful with this.

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I got to be careful raw-dogging it

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like this because I slid my drink across

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the table and it was like, I heard

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it.

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I heard it.

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I heard it in the intro.

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I heard it.

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Is it in there?

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Is it in the real intro?

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Yeah, I heard it.

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We'll just leave it.

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We'll keep it.

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That's fine.

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It's no problem.

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It's all good.

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I got to get used to this.

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I got to get used to this.

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What you're hearing here is a conversation as

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my Christmas present to Dave this year, we

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do exchange gifts, was an official Curry One

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microphone, which will probably never ever get released.

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But I have one.

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But you have one, yes.

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Curry One.

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Curry One.

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Dvorak started this thing with, he's like, oh,

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we're going to do a microphone company, which

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he's been talking about for years, by the

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way.

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So he finally finds the right cap, the

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right thing, everything.

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So we have demo models in different housing

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and I'm like, you know, and I keep

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saying, hey, are you ready to go?

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And he's like, oh yeah, I'm doing, it's

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like, he's, it's like his vinegar book.

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It's never going to get done.

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It's never going to get, never going to

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happen.

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So I'm like, you know what?

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I'm just going to send Dave one.

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So at least there's one more Curry One

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microphone out there in the universe.

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And I'm glad, I'm glad you like it.

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My new Curry One of One.

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Yes.

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I should have signed it actually.

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I'm stupid.

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I should have put my signature on it.

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I did notice it's not gold plated.

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So.

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No, no, no.

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That's, that's yours, right?

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Right.

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I don't think so.

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That's only for the Curry Zero.

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Yes.

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Curry, Curry One model, serial number 000.

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You may hear fumbling.

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Yeah, I hear it.

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Get used to this.

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Sorry.

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I know it's going to drive you crazy.

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Your ears are like tuned to this.

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That's okay.

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That's okay.

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Let me see.

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Definitely.

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Hold on a second.

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Let me just move this down a little

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notch.

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There we go.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to turn off.

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You're coming in five by five, man.

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Five by five.

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I got to turn off the master compeller

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because it's.

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It's too much for you.

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It's too much for your ears.

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I can't.

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Maybe, maybe.

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Where is that at?

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Where's the master?

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You go to settings and then output and

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then right bottom corner processing.

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Okay.

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Let's see settings.

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I love how we always beta test everything

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on the show.

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That's what master.

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Oh, there it is.

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Master compeller.

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All right.

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Now it's off.

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You got it.

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You got it.

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You got it.

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You got it, baby.

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You got it.

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You got it.

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It's all good.

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Yeah.

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I think I'm just a wuss.

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I think the master compeller, I can't handle

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the master.

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It's too much.

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It's too much for you.

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You can't handle the master compeller.

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It's too compelling.

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Hey, happy new year, brother.

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Happy new year.

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Merry Christmas.

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Merry Christmas to you.

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We've, we've done our gift exchange.

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We had, what was it?

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Two, two, two weeks off.

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Two full weeks.

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It was like, it was crazy.

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It was kind of odd.

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I mean, I'm glad we took those two

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weeks.

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I did.

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I skipped one, no agenda and did the

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rest from Europe, but it was kind of,

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and we didn't do curry in the keeper

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either.

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It was kind of nice just to take

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a breather, you know?

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I mean, I think, I think, I don't

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know.

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This is an interesting conversation because what do

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you think about modern audiences, podcast audiences and

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their resilience to like podcasters taking a break?

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I think, I think it's been, I think

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it's a little more okay than it used

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to be.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I'm, I am honestly, after 17

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years, I'm still afraid to really take more

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than one show.

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I try to take no more than two,

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no agendas off in an entire year.

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Because I know that people's lives are centered

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around release schedule.

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This is one, people say, what are your

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rules for podcasting?

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Number one, always release on the same day

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of the week, around the same time that

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you do every single time.

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Make sure you send out a notification, a

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newsletter or something like that.

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Because if you're not there, now we do

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best ofs on no agenda, which are, you

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know, it's, it's a new show of best

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of stuff.

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And so it's always a different compilation.

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So it was never just dead air or

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repeat a complete repeat.

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Which is, we don't do that here because

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nobody wants to listen to old, let's talk

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about this.

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Yeah.

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Hey, how about that split math?

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What is a fee?

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No, we're not going to do that.

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No, this is different though, because we have

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a very small, very dedicated audience.

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And I think everyone enjoyed taking a break.

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Although as a few pointed out this morning,

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the boardroom did not get cleaned in our

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absence.

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It is dank and musty.

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I've opened up a window.

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There's cobwebs in the corner.

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I mean, that went real fast.

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That just made it nasty, man.

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You know how in the break room at

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work, when somebody doesn't clean off the coffee

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pot on a Friday and by Monday, it's

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just baked onto the bottom.

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So before we took our break though, we

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did have, what are we drinking?

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This is the last of the LaCroix Pure.

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The last?

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What are you going to do after that?

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I'm just not going to drink anything.

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No, sure.

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I'm just going to go dry.

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Dry January.

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We had a Boostergram Ball live from Antone's

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in Austin, Texas.

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Yes.

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Which was, I think, super successful.

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Incredibly fun.

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Now it's a weird night to do anything

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when it comes to live shows for an

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audience to attend.

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A Monday night, right near the Christmas holiday.

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So to keep the room full from 6

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.30 to 11 is pretty much impossible.

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But the live audience was there and they

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stayed until the bitter end.

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And what was so nice about this particular

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show, and I mean, I was tickled because,

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you know, there was Boostergram Ball on the

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marquee outside.

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You know, it was a professional show.

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The Phantom Power Music Hour, the Costellos, they

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were producing it with open mic from Toonster.

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I mean, who all was there in person?

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Oh my God.

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Well, I met Eric PP.

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Eric PP was there in person.

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He's almost as tall as you are.

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I think he's taller.

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I think he's a little bit taller.

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And he, with Boober, he had put together

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the Boostergram Ball sign, the neon sign, which

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would change colors based upon the boost amount,

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which they gave to me, which I'm about

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to hang up here in the studio.

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Oh, that's so cool.

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I mean, they did, this thing has its

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own Wi-Fi access point.

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The light?

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Yes.

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That's weird.

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So you can log in and you can

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set it up to a helipad, you know,

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so that it has the webhooks all built

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in.

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I mean, so this, the light, this was

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all set up through helipads, webhooks.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And the whole thing was great.

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There was, we had a huge screen with

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the boost board, which I think is, is

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that a Boobery Cottingen production?

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I forget who all has done all this

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stuff, but it was, it was so beautiful.

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Once again, the whole crew, everyone's pitching in

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around the world.

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We've got Oscar and Nick that are awake

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in the UK.

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We've got Dovidas who was doing the live

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wallet switching on the feed.

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It also in the UK, we had Boomy

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and Moritz and the guys were awake in

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Germany.

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And boy, was that needed because for whatever

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happened, we're supposed to start at 630 and

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at 620, the first band is kind of

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getting ready.

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And we're, you know, we're in the green

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room backstage area.

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And I see all these sweaty, worried looks

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like, oh, well the Albi hub stopped working.

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Oh no.

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Yeah.

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They're on the phone with, I think Boomy

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and it needed rebooting.

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I mean, it was, it was a, it

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was very stressful at that moment.

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This was the cloud hosted Albi hub?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So whatever, you know, of course, if it's

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going to break, it's going to break right

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before the show.

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So I literally got on stage just as

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they got it working again.

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And we had, I think six bands, which

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was probably too, too many for the audience

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there, but people online stayed until the very

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end combined with the boosts.

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And I don't know about streaming sass, but

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combined with the boost and the, the zaps

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from Noster, people who were watching on Toonster,

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it was well over 5 million sats.

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Whoa, that's, what is that?

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Well, five and a half, $6,000, I

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think in total is what came in.

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And once again, you know, the splits were

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set up for everybody who was participating and

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and every single artist, every single one came

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up to me and said, this makes a

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difference in my life.

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What you guys are doing is making a

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difference.

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I hate being a glorified t-shirt sales

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guy.

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When I'm going on the road, I'm very

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demoralized.

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Just knowing that people are out there valuing

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what we do means so much.

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And I love that.

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And, uh, and I mean, and Suzanne Santo,

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by the way, who shows up in a

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full length red dress and then goes on

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to shred the crap out of her guitar.

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I mean, she's just shredding.

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I mean, you have to, you have to

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see this.

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You have, it's, there's something about a woman

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in a full length dress, just bending the

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strings.

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And then at the end she picks up

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her fiddle and starts fiddling.

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You know, I was like, what?

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It was great.

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And, you know, and she, she made like

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six or $700 from, from the boosts that

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were coming in.

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But besides that, her husband was there and

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he's seeing all of these, because on the

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boost board, all the booster grams and the

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messages, and you could just see him beaming,

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you know, because the messages were so encouraging

347
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and people were saying how much they loved

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it.

349
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Um, I mean, every single person all the

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way to the end, they're like, I'm not

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quite sure I understand this because what they

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had done is they, you know, they had

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a whole weekend.

354
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They had sats by Southwest.

355
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And so they were, that's a great name.

356
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Yeah.

357
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And so they brought in people from the

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music industry, not the Bitcoiners.

359
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They targeted music people specifically.

360
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So there are people- Like who?

361
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I mean, like what was the target for?

362
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There's the Austin Music Collective.

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And there's, there's all these, all these different

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groups because, you know, we're supposed to be

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the, the, the live music capital of the

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world world.

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And so there's a lot of musicians around

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and- And so by, so by music,

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you said they brought in music people.

370
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You don't mean like music industry people.

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You mean like music, music- Artists, producers,

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just people who are in, in music in

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Austin.

374
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You know, I think there's people who, there's

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some college courses that teach, you know, different

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aspects of music.

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And so they just targeted all those people.

378
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They hired a PR firm.

379
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So they were coming in and they were

380
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learning about this stuff for the first time.

381
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And it wasn't a Bitcoin discussion.

382
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It was a value for value, you know,

383
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interactive learning session about how this, how this

384
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stuff actually works.

385
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And a lot of those artists and musicians

386
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and people who are interested came to the

387
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show.

388
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I had tons of, of quote unquote, industry

389
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people, bankers, Hollywood people that I know who

390
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came just and, you know, they were like,

391
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explain this business model to me again.

392
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So it sounded like, it sounds like it

393
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was a, it was interesting and needed to

394
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do it live.

395
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And like, it sounds like, it sounds like

396
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you made a connection from people to understand

397
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this thing that would have never really been

398
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able to have that experience.

399
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That's the way I felt at the Bitcoin

400
00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,180
conference going in, hanging out with Julie and,

401
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,540
and the crew there and, you know, across

402
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the street from the conference and seeing all

403
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the artists.

404
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And it made, it made the experience of

405
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what the artists are doing and how the,

406
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and how the Bitcoin and all that kind

407
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of stuff connects to it.

408
00:13:26,220 --> 00:13:27,980
And it made that feel real.

409
00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:28,580
Yeah.

410
00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,300
Whereas before, like in a way that the,

411
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just being online, doesn't, I don't know, you

412
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know, I don't know how to explain it

413
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differently.

414
00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:35,460
Yeah.

415
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No, I understand exactly what you're saying, because

416
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this was the first, the first live one

417
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I'd been a part of, cause I've only

418
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,640
watched them online until, until now.

419
00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,080
I remember the, the Bitcoin conference I was

420
00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,540
doing my stuff here from, from Texas.

421
00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,400
And so yes, to get that whole vibe

422
00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,600
and the artists were continuously calling out people

423
00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,240
online and, you know, I was reading out

424
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booster grams.

425
00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:02,040
I made some very fundamental mistakes in my

426
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,020
thinking, but that's just, you know, it was,

427
00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,560
it was all put together within, you know,

428
00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:09,500
like five weeks and we were getting ready

429
00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,300
to go to Italy the next day.

430
00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:15,440
And I hadn't considered that during the set

431
00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,040
changes, there would be basically dead air on

432
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the screen.

433
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,460
And so I hadn't really, and there's nothing

434
00:14:22,460 --> 00:14:24,460
really you can do about that because they

435
00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:26,680
also had to, you know, the, the mixer

436
00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,420
board had to change and all the, all

437
00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:29,660
these things had to happen.

438
00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,620
So it did, we should have had a

439
00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:33,820
place to do stuff, you know, like talk

440
00:14:33,820 --> 00:14:35,860
to the artists as they come off stage

441
00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:38,060
should have had a little corner to do

442
00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:38,280
that.

443
00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:40,080
And I just didn't even think about it.

444
00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:41,640
So I'll put that on me.

445
00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,220
But you know, so the lot, you haven't

446
00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:46,740
done something like that in how long ago,

447
00:14:46,940 --> 00:14:47,920
a hundred years.

448
00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,420
I mean, that's like, Oh, I mean that

449
00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:52,440
you, that's way back for you to do

450
00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,000
some sort of live event like that.

451
00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:54,180
Yeah.

452
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,620
I mean, there were, there were all kinds

453
00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:57,060
of things we could have done there, but

454
00:14:57,060 --> 00:15:00,740
yeah, but still the live audiences, they, they,

455
00:15:00,820 --> 00:15:02,000
they stayed with it.

456
00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:06,580
I was calling out Nasser and the 2

457
00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:08,680
.0 apps equally, you know, I'm like, this

458
00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,500
is a love fest.

459
00:15:09,580 --> 00:15:11,360
We're just, we're just going to all going

460
00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,700
to be in this together as I see

461
00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:15,720
more and more.

462
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,180
And I'll get to that in a second

463
00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:19,260
with the, with the wallet conversation I want

464
00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:22,460
to have that this is all going to

465
00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:23,460
fold into one.

466
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Particularly now that we have an opportunity to,

467
00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,720
to redo our wallets and payment systems.

468
00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,320
And there's been a lot of work that

469
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,640
has been going on, particularly in the Steven

470
00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,980
Bell cinematic universe with the split box, the

471
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split box.

472
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:44,360
Yes.

473
00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:45,420
The split box.

474
00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,860
And, and so we're testing it today as

475
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we speak.

476
00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:53,360
It's in the feed in the 2.0

477
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feed.

478
00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,280
So what, what he has done is he's,

479
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and, and I don't know if this is

480
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a temp solution or something that's permanent.

481
00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:02,500
I don't care really.

482
00:16:02,620 --> 00:16:03,860
I just see work being done.

483
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:04,300
I'm happy.

484
00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,280
The idea of the split box is that

485
00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,380
you have a, so you have your splits

486
00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:12,320
in, in your, in your feed, in your

487
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,000
value block.

488
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,880
And there's a separate tag, which is the,

489
00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:18,040
I think it's called split box or something

490
00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,200
imaginative like that.

491
00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:20,220
Right.

492
00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:23,620
And in the split box, it has one

493
00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:28,560
singular LN URL wallet address.

494
00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:31,280
And that is the wallet address connected to

495
00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,140
the split box.

496
00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,660
So when the payment comes in and, and

497
00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:38,120
so if the app knows, okay, I'm, I'm

498
00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,320
hitting the split box.

499
00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,160
Hold on a second.

500
00:16:41,180 --> 00:16:42,740
I think he just tested something here.

501
00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,360
Uh, when he knows I'm hitting the split

502
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,840
box, then the split box takes the payment.

503
00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:53,340
It looks up the splits in the, um,

504
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,640
uh, in the feed and then sends the

505
00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,600
appropriate, you know, retransmits saying that specifically retransmits

506
00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,880
the payments to all those different wallets in

507
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,420
whatever they need to receive it.

508
00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,020
So if it's a key send, it'll do

509
00:17:09,020 --> 00:17:09,760
a key send.

510
00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:12,619
If it's LN URL P it'll do that.

511
00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:14,920
Uh, and so it's kind of a proxying

512
00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,520
system.

513
00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:21,660
Um, and, and it also takes the, uh,

514
00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:25,859
TLV record or payment info and drops it

515
00:17:25,859 --> 00:17:31,720
into a split box, uh, uh, storage bin.

516
00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,040
And, and which I'm already seeing.

517
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,340
And then here I'll send it to you

518
00:17:37,340 --> 00:17:38,060
on signal here.

519
00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:38,740
Hold on a second.

520
00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:39,800
He could take a look.

521
00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:43,340
Um, yeah, where I haven't, I haven't sent

522
00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:44,320
you a note in a long time.

523
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:44,860
Oh, here you go.

524
00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:45,380
Okay.

525
00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:45,740
Yeah.

526
00:17:45,980 --> 00:17:47,060
So that's the URL.

527
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,900
Actually I'll put it in the, I'll put

528
00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:51,340
it in the, in the board boardroom as

529
00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:51,500
well.

530
00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:52,460
So you guys can see it.

531
00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:56,400
And this, what I'm seeing the, the, you're

532
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:56,940
saying Jason.

533
00:17:57,980 --> 00:18:02,480
Yeah, but it's, but it's the, um, this

534
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,720
is the T this is the metadata metadata.

535
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:05,060
Yeah.

536
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,400
The metadata of, of the, of the, of

537
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,480
the payment that was sent.

538
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,480
Yeah.

539
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:09,660
Okay.

540
00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:14,040
So, um, essentially we have stuff working.

541
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,920
Um, I mean, I'm seeing stuff coming through

542
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,640
both in my, uh, on my own node

543
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,020
through key send as well as in my,

544
00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:25,180
uh, strike wallet.

545
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,720
So what I just sent you there, that,

546
00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:28,800
that link that's from my strike wallet.

547
00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:31,720
So that's in the description field of the

548
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:32,340
strike wallet.

549
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,980
It sends that URL and then that URL,

550
00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,420
and he has a web hook.

551
00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:39,160
So strike strike has a web hook system.

552
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,220
Uh, and I'm not quite sure yet.

553
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,240
So I set up an API key and

554
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,620
Stephen bell has it now.

555
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,700
Um, he can probably enter my wallet.

556
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,900
Um, but which is good.

557
00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:57,460
Um, and so I, that's about the extent

558
00:18:57,460 --> 00:18:58,800
of what I understand of it.

559
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,820
I, and I just liked the idea of

560
00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:03,560
the split box because it puts it on

561
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:03,920
me.

562
00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,780
Like, you know, I, I can just say,

563
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,760
all right, here's I'm going to, I'll take

564
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,820
care of the splits and it's still, the

565
00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:12,440
information is still in the feed.

566
00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:15,360
Um, so it can go individually if you're

567
00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:18,180
using an older system or a different system

568
00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:18,620
or whatever.

569
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,480
Uh, this just kind of consolidates it all

570
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,640
into one easy way.

571
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,020
And at the same time, the way I

572
00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:26,640
understand it, it also allows a zap to

573
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,400
go into that.

574
00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:31,540
So someone can zap the, um, uh, zap

575
00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:34,300
the episode and the split box will take

576
00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:35,120
care of the splits.

577
00:19:37,780 --> 00:19:38,320
Okay.

578
00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:45,630
So this, so who is running the split

579
00:19:45,630 --> 00:19:45,970
box?

580
00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:47,030
Are you running this?

581
00:19:47,030 --> 00:19:50,070
Well, the idea is open source.

582
00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:51,090
You run it yourself.

583
00:19:51,870 --> 00:19:52,350
Um, right.

584
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:54,770
I believe Stephen is going to offer that

585
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:56,950
as a service for people who just want

586
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:58,070
to use that.

587
00:19:58,070 --> 00:20:00,170
And he'll take a, he'll take a small

588
00:20:00,170 --> 00:20:03,090
split for the, uh, uh, for the service.

589
00:20:05,050 --> 00:20:05,570
Okay.

590
00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:08,130
So he's right now, this is him.

591
00:20:08,190 --> 00:20:10,350
So I don't have that server yet myself.

592
00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:12,700
Okay.

593
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,740
So he is doing a, like a store

594
00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:19,380
and forward.

595
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:19,740
Yeah.

596
00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:20,680
Yeah.

597
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,340
So he, well, you, you're putting in, you're

598
00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:27,500
putting in your, um, you're putting in your,

599
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,600
you put, you put in your split box

600
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,720
address and then the split box, it takes

601
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,700
the entire payment, looks up the value, looks

602
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,060
up the recipients and then distributes it on

603
00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:39,600
the box.

604
00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:40,040
Correct.

605
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,100
From my own node, I presume.

606
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:46,560
Okay.

607
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,600
Or, or from your strike wallet.

608
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:48,940
Yeah.

609
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,420
Oh, precise.

610
00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:50,160
Whatever it is.

611
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,360
Yeah.

612
00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:52,580
So you have a split.

613
00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:54,400
So you would have a split.

614
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,360
Okay.

615
00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:57,160
I'm trying, I'm just trying to get my

616
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,720
head around.

617
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:58,260
Well, okay.

618
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,600
So, so I would say that this is

619
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,080
for a podcaster and the whole idea is

620
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,540
to make it easy for, um, just to

621
00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:08,440
make it easy for payment.

622
00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:11,580
So, um, it's more complicated for the podcaster

623
00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:13,340
because you probably have to have an Albi

624
00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:15,040
hub and all kinds of stuff, whatever.

625
00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:17,540
I don't know how easy or hard that's

626
00:21:17,540 --> 00:21:18,160
going to be.

627
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,480
That has been the least of our problems.

628
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,800
Getting podcasters set up with, with wallets is

629
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,100
something we can deal with, um, having apps

630
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,600
so they can just have a simple payment

631
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,240
mechanism with, by connecting a simple app like

632
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,940
strike, you know, the issue there is all

633
00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:36,220
the stuff it doesn't do.

634
00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:39,780
So you should be able to even, you

635
00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:43,720
could even just send a payment, uh, from

636
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,100
your strike wallet to a URL that to

637
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:47,320
a QR code.

638
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,660
And that QR code would go to the

639
00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:50,200
split box.

640
00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:51,960
The split box would send through the splits.

641
00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:53,640
That makes sense.

642
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:55,720
Yeah.

643
00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:57,020
Yeah.

644
00:21:57,140 --> 00:22:00,240
I'm trying to figure out where this is.

645
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,020
So does this, it sounds like the split

646
00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:08,780
box attaches to a node.

647
00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:12,100
Well, it attaches to your strike wallet.

648
00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:16,560
Is that, is that what's happening?

649
00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:17,780
No, no.

650
00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:21,040
The split box is attached to, the way

651
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,340
I understand it is I would have a

652
00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:26,000
split box and the split box runs on

653
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,500
my node, just like I'll be hub or

654
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:29,580
anything else does.

655
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:30,720
Right.

656
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,380
So it's taught it's, it's receiving and sending

657
00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:34,580
from my node.

658
00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:38,940
So it gets a payment from, uh, someone,

659
00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:41,760
someone sends a payment because in my feed,

660
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,580
it has a split box tag with an

661
00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:46,920
address, Adam at, uh, you know, my node

662
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,540
.com.

663
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,360
It takes that.

664
00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:52,940
And then it looks up the splits and

665
00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:55,940
it sends, it sends the appropriate amounts to

666
00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:58,520
all those separate addresses, regardless of what they

667
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:58,860
are.

668
00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:02,260
Bolt 11, bolt 12, key send, you know,

669
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:06,200
on chain, whatever it needs to be.

670
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,220
Right, right, right.

671
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:07,760
Yes.

672
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,380
So, uh, I guess here, here, let me,

673
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,740
let me try to ask the question a

674
00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:13,200
different way.

675
00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:16,540
What is the backing wallet of this, of

676
00:23:16,540 --> 00:23:17,120
the split box?

677
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,160
That would be my node.

678
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:19,760
Okay.

679
00:23:19,820 --> 00:23:20,420
So, right.

680
00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:22,720
It's your node, but it could, but it

681
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,480
could be anything.

682
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,820
Yes, it can be, it can be, yeah,

683
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,120
you can have it, you know, basically it's

684
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,520
like, um, uh, what's that thing called that

685
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,100
we could never get them to integrate key

686
00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:36,160
send, um, LM bits.

687
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:36,380
Yeah.

688
00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:37,260
It's like LM bits.

689
00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:38,920
LM bits also has a split, but they

690
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,820
can only split, um, to virtual wallets.

691
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:43,360
I think, oh no, they can split to

692
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:43,700
anything.

693
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,860
It's the same idea.

694
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,140
So you have to have a funding source.

695
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,740
I presume that could, but you know, but

696
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:52,120
you don't want to use strike because strike

697
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,400
can't do the key sends.

698
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:54,760
Yeah.

699
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Yeah.

700
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:55,440
Okay.

701
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:55,840
I see.

702
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,720
So it's more like an Albie hub type

703
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,340
strap on, I guess.

704
00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:04,220
I said that purposely.

705
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,300
That should be, that should be a, get

706
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,500
somebody, somebody, uh, email Boomi and tell him

707
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,940
that that should be their, their, their tagline

708
00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:15,500
and Albie hub, strap it on.

709
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Um, so yeah, we'll see.

710
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,800
I mean, there's Eric PP is, is working

711
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,680
with Steven Bell.

712
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,140
They're doing, you know, he's doing stuff with

713
00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:27,000
the, uh, with helipad.

714
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,580
So helipad we'll be able to pick it

715
00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:28,820
up.

716
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:32,100
I mean, um, it's very much in development.

717
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,820
So I'm just the, I'm just the canary

718
00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:35,700
in the coal mine.

719
00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:38,040
Um, I'm just here, you know, so I'm

720
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,740
seeing splits cause I have in the 2

721
00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:41,680
.0 feed.

722
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,240
Let me take a look in the, let

723
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,760
me see in the value block.

724
00:24:47,020 --> 00:24:47,800
Are we doing this?

725
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,060
Are we split boxing right now?

726
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:49,560
No.

727
00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:52,000
So right now we, um, let me see

728
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,740
in funding.

729
00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:56,900
I have, so right now we have Alex

730
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,200
Gates is getting a 1% split to

731
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,640
his, his strike wallet.

732
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,880
I have a strike wallet with a, with

733
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,760
a one, 2% split for some reason.

734
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,960
Um, just for giggles.

735
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,240
I think it was to make sure that

736
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,060
it would come through.

737
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,840
I didn't know if 1% would work,

738
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,380
um, consistently.

739
00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:20,500
Um, the rest are all, um, are all

740
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:25,460
key send addresses and in the feed itself.

741
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,580
Let me see.

742
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,840
I have, let me see.

743
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:31,700
Split box.

744
00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:32,540
Let me check.

745
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Yes, there is a podcast colon split box.

746
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,400
Invoice equals HTTPS.

747
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:45,960
The split box.com slash invoice question Mark

748
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,680
address is the split box at get Albie

749
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,240
.com.

750
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,700
So I guess, um, Stephen Bell is running

751
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,060
his split box off of the split box

752
00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:57,500
at get Albie.com through his Albie hub.

753
00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:58,720
I'm just guessing.

754
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,140
And then it has a web hook.

755
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:02,580
Okay.

756
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,700
So this is a, it's a rogue tag,

757
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,140
man.

758
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,840
It's a, it's a rogue tag in the

759
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,220
feed.

760
00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:14,080
Stephen gets, um, so he gets, he gets

761
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,860
special dispensation to do that.

762
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,340
Oh yeah.

763
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:16,960
Oh, of course.

764
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:17,440
Yeah.

765
00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:19,220
He's been, he's got a license.

766
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,200
He has a podcast, a 2.0 license.

767
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,100
He has his license to, to, he has

768
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,080
a license to kill.

769
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:24,600
Exactly.

770
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:25,100
Yes.

771
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:25,520
Yes.

772
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,040
So I'm, I'm excited.

773
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,340
Interesting way to do it.

774
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Yeah.

775
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,380
By the way, I'll take credit for the

776
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:31,180
name.

777
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:34,940
Uh, of course it doesn't have Adam Curry

778
00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:36,240
written all over it.

779
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,320
I was like the split box.

780
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,820
That's what your name's gotta be, man.

781
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,040
It's obvious the split box.

782
00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:44,980
Um, so we'll see what he does.

783
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,940
I mean, it's, uh, it's, it's really interesting.

784
00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:50,040
I mean, it's a rogue, all of a

785
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,760
sudden it's a rogue tag that shows up,

786
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,020
but it could really be something good for

787
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:56,800
an intermediate step or maybe a permanent solution.

788
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,220
I don't know.

789
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,060
I like the idea going back to booster

790
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:03,000
grand ball that in essence, you now integrate

791
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,180
podcasting 2.0 RSS feeds with zaps so

792
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:10,820
someone can send a zap to the split

793
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:13,380
box, a tag in your feed, which you

794
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:16,840
can publish, you know, uh, on Nostra, I

795
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,660
guess, uh, with your, with your episode.

796
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,080
And then the split box will take that

797
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,140
zap and we'll split it up appropriately, no

798
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:26,600
matter what backend wallets or whatever is happening

799
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,780
at the backend, because splits never really happened

800
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:31,060
in the Nostra world.

801
00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:34,410
Let's see.

802
00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:37,750
Uh, I'm, uh, paging back up.

803
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:37,990
Okay.

804
00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:38,310
Split.

805
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:45,450
So the, this tag is what, how, I

806
00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:47,710
guess what I don't understand is how is

807
00:27:47,710 --> 00:27:51,410
it getting the splits is, I guess it's

808
00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:52,570
looking up the feed.

809
00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:53,690
It's looking up the feed.

810
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:54,170
Exactly.

811
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:56,970
But then, but how does it know what

812
00:27:56,970 --> 00:27:57,850
the feed is?

813
00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:00,230
I have no idea.

814
00:28:00,310 --> 00:28:01,250
It's the initial payment.

815
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:03,610
That's what I, that's, that's confusing to me.

816
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:06,250
Um, cause it's this tag.

817
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:09,210
Well, I would think, well, that payment URL

818
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:11,670
or the payment address, the single, the split

819
00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:13,250
box payment address is unique.

820
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:16,170
So it would be, you know, two point,

821
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:19,290
uh, podcasting 2.0 at my node.com

822
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:21,790
or get albie.com, whatever.

823
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:23,810
And that would be unique to me.

824
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:26,190
That's my receiving address.

825
00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:29,130
So somewhere in the split box, you're putting

826
00:28:29,130 --> 00:28:32,970
in where your feed URL is, I guess.

827
00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:36,490
I, yeah, I guess there's probably a.com

828
00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:37,570
file somewhere.

829
00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:43,150
Okay.

830
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:47,970
I gotta figure it.

831
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:50,470
I gotta figure out how this, it gets

832
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:52,770
sent in the TLV, right?

833
00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:53,290
Yeah.

834
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:54,030
I see Eric.

835
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:57,110
He gets in the TLV, but it's, but

836
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:59,890
if there's no TLV though, because if you're

837
00:28:59,890 --> 00:29:01,690
getting a bolt 11 address, there wouldn't be

838
00:29:01,690 --> 00:29:02,570
a TLV, right?

839
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:06,070
Uh, that's the part that I'm confused about.

840
00:29:06,130 --> 00:29:09,310
Unless there's enough in there, unless, unless the

841
00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:13,170
invoice is generating is for is, are you

842
00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:17,690
having to generate an invoice per episode for

843
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:19,370
the split kit for the split box?

844
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:20,430
You're asking me things.

845
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:21,810
I have no answers to Dave.

846
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:23,510
I really don't know.

847
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:26,390
I I'm, I'm just excited that people are

848
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,170
excited just excited.

849
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:30,070
I'm just excited that people are excited about

850
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:30,790
doing something.

851
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:32,530
That's a, isn't that good enough?

852
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:33,730
It's fair.

853
00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:37,390
I've, I've been, I mean, full disclosure, I've

854
00:29:37,390 --> 00:29:40,350
been up to my eyeballs in Godcaster so

855
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:43,430
hard for the last few weeks that I'm

856
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:45,170
so, I feel out of the loop and

857
00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:46,990
this, this will fold into the next thing

858
00:29:46,990 --> 00:29:48,010
I want to discuss.

859
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:51,850
Um, as I was a little dismayed at

860
00:29:51,850 --> 00:29:55,030
listening to the power episodes this week, uh,

861
00:29:56,210 --> 00:30:01,530
where, um, they're very, very downbeat on podcasting

862
00:30:01,530 --> 00:30:04,810
2.0 and there's no leadership and, you

863
00:30:04,810 --> 00:30:06,730
know, how come we aren't running a fund,

864
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:10,150
uh, to, to, to, to raise money.

865
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:10,510
Yeah.

866
00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:10,930
Oh yeah.

867
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:11,270
Yeah.

868
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:13,510
The Sam wants us to run a, uh,

869
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:15,550
an angel fund and invest in apps.

870
00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:16,910
Ooh.

871
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:17,270
Yeah.

872
00:30:17,270 --> 00:30:20,570
I'm like, no, no, let's just go back

873
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:21,210
to the Genesis.

874
00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:23,150
Let's go back five years in time.

875
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:26,630
We set up podcast index for exactly this

876
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:29,010
kind of experimentation that is taking place.

877
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:32,650
Um, and the main reason was we didn't

878
00:30:32,650 --> 00:30:37,430
want anybody to control podcasting, certainly not Apple.

879
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:39,710
So we wanted to have a definitive open

880
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:42,230
database with an open API that anybody can

881
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:44,270
access and it's value for value.

882
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:45,850
If people want to support it, it will

883
00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:47,270
remain to exist.

884
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:48,650
And if not, then it'll go away.

885
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:50,630
And so that part of the experiment has

886
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:51,290
been great.

887
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:55,290
In addition, as that time was the, the

888
00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:58,170
era of D platforming people and D banking

889
00:30:58,170 --> 00:31:02,050
them, we added in the lightning network as

890
00:31:02,050 --> 00:31:03,010
a payment mechanism.

891
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:07,110
And with that value for value was kind

892
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:08,750
of thrown into the Bitcoin world.

893
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:11,850
And I'm delighted to see how people use

894
00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:14,270
that phrase over and over again for all

895
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:15,470
different types of things.

896
00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:18,410
So value for value is becoming an understood

897
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:19,210
concept.

898
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:22,030
Now, on top of that, lots of people

899
00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:23,850
came in with all kinds of tags they

900
00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:26,290
wanted, and some of them have been extremely

901
00:31:26,290 --> 00:31:26,870
successful.

902
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:29,170
I'd say the number one is transcripts seeing

903
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:32,590
as Apple has adopted that, and maybe there

904
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:36,450
will be more or maybe not, but what

905
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:40,510
has, what is happening and you know, the

906
00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:42,130
best way to predict the future is to

907
00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:42,730
create it.

908
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:44,810
And so I don't think we did any

909
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:45,270
predictions.

910
00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:47,350
We have just been creating the future all

911
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:49,970
the time is that, is that there are

912
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:54,970
now podcast apps that there's not a generic

913
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:57,210
podcasting 2.0 universe.

914
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:59,470
And I don't think it'll ever really happen.

915
00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:05,490
Well, eventually enough apps will have enough features,

916
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:07,050
but it takes a long time.

917
00:32:07,150 --> 00:32:09,370
These things take years and years and years

918
00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:09,850
and years.

919
00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:11,910
We saw that years, we saw that the

920
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:13,390
first time around, it just takes a long

921
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:13,790
time.

922
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:17,150
But now we have very apps that are

923
00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:20,650
using 2.0 features, the podcast namespace features,

924
00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:21,970
such as Fountain.

925
00:32:22,290 --> 00:32:26,130
Fountain is clearly a niche app that is

926
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:30,350
serving a, an expand, slowly expanding universe of

927
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:33,070
people who want to use the Lightning Network,

928
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,230
Bitcoin, Noster, et cetera.

929
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:39,350
It's a, it's a specific app and it's

930
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:41,170
doing its job just fine.

931
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:45,890
And you know, I've actually, I've put my

932
00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:47,570
feet back into Noster world.

933
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:50,370
I've found the Primal app, which is kind

934
00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:52,350
of the first app that I found usable

935
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:53,290
for Noster.

936
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:56,970
It's a very small universe of people, but

937
00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:59,870
I do get good help if I'm looking

938
00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:02,310
for it there and I get reasonable traction

939
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:05,270
and, but by the same token, people can

940
00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:07,250
pile on and yell at you and it's,

941
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:08,950
it can be very mean to you.

942
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:10,070
I'm looking at you, DeLorean.

943
00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:13,190
Yeah.

944
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:14,130
Yeah.

945
00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:15,330
She said I was a shill.

946
00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:16,810
She's a shill for WaveLake.

947
00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:17,550
Shut up.

948
00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:19,230
A WaveLake shill?

949
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:19,570
Yeah.

950
00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:20,210
Yeah.

951
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:20,750
Just, yeah.

952
00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:21,970
Well, there you go.

953
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:26,690
There's WaveLake, which uses 2.0 features and

954
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:30,350
they have chosen to be very closed and

955
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:32,990
specific to the artists that are on their

956
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:33,650
platform.

957
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:36,830
That's, that's their business, you know?

958
00:33:36,910 --> 00:33:39,130
And I think it's a mistake because I

959
00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:41,050
think they should have all of the 2

960
00:33:41,050 --> 00:33:42,750
.0 music in there, but I'm not a

961
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:43,970
jihadist about it.

962
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:47,650
At the same time, True Fans has clearly,

963
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:51,370
clearly planted a flag and saying, we're here.

964
00:33:51,550 --> 00:33:53,010
I mean, the name says it, True Fans.

965
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:53,830
You're a True Fan.

966
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:55,310
You can come in, you can support your

967
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:56,010
favorite podcast.

968
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:57,650
You can support your favorite artist.

969
00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:00,750
You can, you know, buy concert tickets.

970
00:34:01,030 --> 00:34:03,070
You can, you know, buy things that you

971
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:05,050
can't listen, that is not value for value.

972
00:34:05,530 --> 00:34:07,190
That's, that's great.

973
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:09,810
I think it's really good that, that we

974
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:11,590
have apps that are doing, this is always

975
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:12,889
from day one.

976
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:16,250
I've always said, what, what can we do

977
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:19,090
that's not the same inbox type app?

978
00:34:20,130 --> 00:34:21,610
And there it is.

979
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:25,790
You know, the differentiators are clear, clearly delineated

980
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:26,389
right now.

981
00:34:26,969 --> 00:34:29,170
By the same token, we have eaten the

982
00:34:29,170 --> 00:34:31,230
dog food and we've created Godcaster.

983
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:33,570
And Godcaster is not an app.

984
00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:35,949
It's a, it's a player, but it is

985
00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:39,610
a very specific player for two, two main

986
00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:40,710
customers.

987
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:46,030
One is radio stations, specifically faith-based radio

988
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:48,510
stations who are looking for a way to

989
00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:51,690
transition to digital and for churches who are

990
00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:54,190
content factories looking for a way to broadcast

991
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:54,630
out.

992
00:34:55,630 --> 00:35:00,830
And the players that we're creating are specific

993
00:35:00,830 --> 00:35:01,970
podcast players.

994
00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:03,870
It's for a specific audience.

995
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:06,790
And it does very specific things for that

996
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:10,710
audience, which already understands donations or version of

997
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:12,170
the V4V model.

998
00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:16,610
And they understand podcasts.

999
00:35:16,610 --> 00:35:18,310
They understand video.

1000
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:23,910
I'm surprised how many churches and pastors and

1001
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:26,690
radio people have video.

1002
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:29,170
Have you noticed this?

1003
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:31,810
I have noticed it.

1004
00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:35,070
And it's some, every time we roll one

1005
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:38,450
of these Godcaster players out to a new,

1006
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:42,110
you know, customer, it's a learning experience.

1007
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:48,150
Uh, and we, we, I, I learned, you

1008
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:50,570
never realize how much you don't know until

1009
00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:53,570
you put software that you built in someone

1010
00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:55,370
else's hands and watch what they do with

1011
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:55,510
it.

1012
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:57,490
It's beautiful to watch, isn't it?

1013
00:35:58,270 --> 00:36:02,630
Cause, cause what you get asked questions that

1014
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:04,090
you've never thought of before.

1015
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:06,570
You're like, Hey, can I do so-and

1016
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:09,710
-so or what, where is, where is X,

1017
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:12,730
Y, or Z feature or where, or how,

1018
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:15,050
what does this thing mean?

1019
00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:17,770
You're like, Whoa, I hadn't thought about that.

1020
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:19,770
I had never thought about it.

1021
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:20,610
Don't really know.

1022
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:21,570
Yes, exactly.

1023
00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:25,110
Especially when it comes to user interface and

1024
00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:27,230
interact and the way people interact with a,

1025
00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:30,130
with, with an app or a product, you,

1026
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:36,330
you don't like we're doing probably one of

1027
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:42,770
the most difficult user interface, uh, jobs that

1028
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:43,630
you can imagine.

1029
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:49,590
We're, we're creating a JavaScript, HTML based, based

1030
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:55,970
audio video player that gets, that gets pasted

1031
00:36:55,970 --> 00:37:00,230
into another person's website.

1032
00:37:00,230 --> 00:37:05,870
And that is so difficult because you have

1033
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:10,790
to guardrail against every leaky piece of CSS

1034
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:15,350
in every, like it's, it's a constant, um,

1035
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:19,090
it's a constant battle to keep that website's

1036
00:37:19,090 --> 00:37:22,710
styles and, and defaults from coming through to

1037
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:25,850
your, to your section of the page that

1038
00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:28,310
you've, that you're essentially living on rented land

1039
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,090
or vice versa, having our, having our players

1040
00:37:31,090 --> 00:37:33,810
screw up their page, which has also happened.

1041
00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:36,570
And you know, that that's, it's probably.

1042
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:39,710
And so when you, when you finally roll

1043
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:45,210
this thing out, um, it's, you're like, Oh

1044
00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:46,610
man, what?

1045
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:50,190
And you have to like rapidly sometime.

1046
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:51,670
There's been a couple of instances where we've

1047
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:56,130
had to rapidly re-engineer, uh, like the

1048
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:59,350
entire style system in the player in order,

1049
00:37:59,470 --> 00:38:02,130
like within like 48 hours to get this

1050
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:04,210
thing from, to keep from breaking something.

1051
00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:08,670
And this is like, this is why people,

1052
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:13,390
uh, the web is great in some, in

1053
00:38:13,390 --> 00:38:15,950
many ways, the open web is great in

1054
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:17,790
many ways, but this is why also why

1055
00:38:17,790 --> 00:38:21,830
people don't like UI for the web is

1056
00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:23,530
because it has these problems.

1057
00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:25,950
Um, it's a, it's the wild west.

1058
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:28,310
I mean, you know, we, we've seen websites

1059
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:33,110
where people, um, have styled, they've just put

1060
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:35,870
a CSS tag in, they've put a CSS

1061
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:41,390
rule in to put a background transition on

1062
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:44,710
every link, every anchor tag, link tags.

1063
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:46,450
I've seen blink tags on some of these

1064
00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:47,050
websites.

1065
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:48,050
Yes.

1066
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:50,370
And you're like, you're like every, they just

1067
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,430
put in a, for the anchor tag and

1068
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:55,510
then some crazy style.

1069
00:38:55,610 --> 00:38:57,550
And you're like, why would you ever do

1070
00:38:57,550 --> 00:38:57,750
that?

1071
00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:59,130
Why are you not using class names?

1072
00:38:59,210 --> 00:39:01,550
Why are you not using anything other than

1073
00:39:01,550 --> 00:39:03,970
just doing it raw like that?

1074
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:06,570
And so it's, I think, I mean, the

1075
00:39:06,570 --> 00:39:08,150
reason I'm talking about all that is because

1076
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:13,590
the, the idea that like what, what true,

1077
00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:16,150
what true fans is doing, what fountains doing,

1078
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:20,030
um, you're getting really, you know, we're all

1079
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:23,450
getting specialized like what you're saying.

1080
00:39:23,590 --> 00:39:26,950
We're, we're, we're trying to make podcasting serve

1081
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:33,990
a very specific sections of, of listenership.

1082
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:38,530
And then, you know, depending on where, where

1083
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:40,370
that niche resides, you're going to have a

1084
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:43,490
different set of hurdles and priorities to overcome.

1085
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:45,730
I, that's, that's why I really don't balk

1086
00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:48,530
too much at like, uh, Oscar and then,

1087
00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:51,610
you know, in Wavelake using Noster because that's

1088
00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:52,550
where their niche is.

1089
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:53,030
Yes.

1090
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:53,570
Yes.

1091
00:39:53,590 --> 00:39:56,310
So many of their customers are right there.

1092
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:59,090
It doesn't make like, it makes perfect sense

1093
00:39:59,090 --> 00:40:00,070
for them to do that.

1094
00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:02,650
It, you know, we, we may have technological

1095
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:05,730
issues with it and see shortcomings in the

1096
00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:08,810
protocol, but it doesn't matter because that's where

1097
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:12,210
they live and that's where their customers live.

1098
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:13,690
So they have to do those sort of

1099
00:40:13,690 --> 00:40:13,850
things.

1100
00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:15,430
It's the same way with true fans and

1101
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:19,530
Sam, um, saying, you know, Hey, I've got

1102
00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:20,850
to take, I've got to be able to

1103
00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:21,510
take Fiat.

1104
00:40:21,970 --> 00:40:23,930
I've got to be able to do like

1105
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:27,290
Apple pay top up because he's, but he's

1106
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:30,050
like, my audience just simply does not understand

1107
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:32,430
SATS and I'm, I'm trying to get it

1108
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,970
there, but I can't like beat my head

1109
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:36,830
against, against the wall the whole time.

1110
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:39,490
So I've learned a lot on, on the

1111
00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:40,490
non-technical side.

1112
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:42,110
Although first of all, it's just been a

1113
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:44,210
pleasure to be working with you once again,

1114
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:46,670
I'm doing, um, I'm building something.

1115
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:49,790
We've done this many times over 15 years

1116
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:51,730
and I love it so much.

1117
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:53,650
It's fun.

1118
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,970
It's like old, it's like old comfortable shoes.

1119
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:56,550
That's right.

1120
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:58,450
Hey, we're getting the band back together.

1121
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:59,750
It's like, yep, string up.

1122
00:40:59,830 --> 00:41:00,070
Okay.

1123
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:03,170
Um, so if people want to see, so

1124
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:05,550
my, the long-term vision here, and we

1125
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:07,130
have a, we have a third partner, Gordon,

1126
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:11,670
the long-term vision here is I, I

1127
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:14,270
believe is what hellofred.fm is doing.

1128
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:17,390
I've always said the, the gaping hole in

1129
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:19,970
podcasting, and I've proven this just by mentioning

1130
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:22,510
this once on no agenda, I had to

1131
00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:24,990
put together a primer as to how you

1132
00:41:24,990 --> 00:41:29,370
get your local podcast started hyperlocalpodcast.com.

1133
00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:34,090
Um, the gaping hole is what that radio

1134
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:36,490
has left, uh, that, that all media has

1135
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:39,170
left is local and specifically hyperlocal.

1136
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:41,470
So I happen to have a hyperlocal location,

1137
00:41:41,470 --> 00:41:43,390
which is where I live in Fredericksburg, Texas

1138
00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:45,770
with 11 and a half or 12,000

1139
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:46,230
people.

1140
00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:48,610
Um, but we have a lot of things

1141
00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:50,670
going on because 2 million people a year

1142
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:51,750
visit Fredericksburg.

1143
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:54,370
So we have tons of stuff happening here.

1144
00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:56,530
Um, we have, you know, the same issues

1145
00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:59,310
you have in any, in any small town

1146
00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:01,830
or County or Berg, we've got city council

1147
00:42:01,830 --> 00:42:02,370
issues.

1148
00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:03,870
We've got school board issues.

1149
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:06,850
We've got, you know, just issues, um, and

1150
00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:08,150
then tourist issues.

1151
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:10,690
And there's no, and we have one local

1152
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:12,450
newspaper that publishes once a week.

1153
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:15,030
We happen to have 30 churches here.

1154
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:20,150
So hellofred.fm, hellofred, Fred for Fredericksburg, um,

1155
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:24,010
uses, it's just a simple HTML, uh, page

1156
00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:25,930
that I've just rammed the Godcaster into.

1157
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:27,890
And you'll see that I have a 24,

1158
00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:29,050
seven stream running.

1159
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:30,690
And the whole idea of the stream is

1160
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:32,550
it's playing music in this place, in this

1161
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,330
case, uh, contemporary Christian music, and it's promoing

1162
00:42:36,330 --> 00:42:37,890
things happening in town.

1163
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:40,730
It's using content from the church that I,

1164
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:42,410
that Tina and I go to, which is

1165
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:43,170
bridge church.

1166
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:46,950
It has a short devotional that has promotions

1167
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:48,850
about things going on at the church, but

1168
00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:51,290
we also put in stuff about, um, and

1169
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:54,430
I'm expanding it, obviously, um, about what's happening

1170
00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:55,250
at city council.

1171
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:58,490
And then we promo podcasts that are made

1172
00:42:58,490 --> 00:43:02,310
locally or that are pertinent to, um, to

1173
00:43:02,310 --> 00:43:05,230
something that's happening with hellofred.fm, the station.

1174
00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:08,050
So you have this live stream and this

1175
00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:11,630
live stream is outpacing some radio stations.

1176
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:13,610
I mean, it's amazing.

1177
00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:15,650
And I should mention on the back end

1178
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:20,030
of Godcaster, we have extensive, um, statistics.

1179
00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:23,190
So we know everything that's happening.

1180
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:25,270
We know a lot that's going on.

1181
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:28,350
And so you can literally see someone listening

1182
00:43:28,350 --> 00:43:29,250
to the live stream.

1183
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:31,250
I know when the promo hit, and then

1184
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:32,750
I can see them going to Curry and

1185
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:34,110
the Keeper and starting to listen.

1186
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:37,530
I mean, this, this is mind blowing stuff.

1187
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:40,310
So, you know, my next mission is to

1188
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:41,690
start getting more local con.

1189
00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:44,470
I want young people involved creating local podcasts

1190
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:46,430
about what, let them go out into town

1191
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:47,050
and figure it out.

1192
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:48,730
I'm too old for this stuff, but I'll

1193
00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:50,330
certainly, I'll certainly mentor them.

1194
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:54,010
And so this is now becoming, it's, it

1195
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:56,250
really is extremely successful.

1196
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:58,910
We have hundreds of people a day checking

1197
00:43:58,910 --> 00:44:00,790
in on the live stream and you're seeing

1198
00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:04,010
them moving over and listening to the different

1199
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:04,470
podcasts.

1200
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:07,310
And what I have learned is that people

1201
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:10,950
of all ages don't really care that much

1202
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:12,370
about an app per se.

1203
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:15,050
They're like, oh, I just go to this

1204
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:16,890
hellofred.fm. They don't even know what a

1205
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:17,610
webpage is.

1206
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:19,450
I'm telling you, they don't know what a

1207
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:20,110
webpage is.

1208
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:22,910
I've said, I've said to grown people my

1209
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,710
age and younger, I go to hellofred.fm,

1210
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:30,210
they open up DuckDuckGo or they hit Safari.

1211
00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:33,430
And for some reason, the address bar is

1212
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:34,730
no longer an address bar.

1213
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:35,770
It's just a search bar.

1214
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:37,310
It's usually at the bottom and they type

1215
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:41,710
in hellofred.dot.fm. This is the level

1216
00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:43,770
of sophistication we're talking about.

1217
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:47,290
So, and then they'll just, they'll just click

1218
00:44:47,290 --> 00:44:47,390
it.

1219
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:47,870
They don't know.

1220
00:44:47,970 --> 00:44:50,450
They have no idea what, what is happening.

1221
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:53,650
And then when I show them the universal

1222
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:56,570
app, which I'm starting to like as a,

1223
00:44:56,590 --> 00:45:00,070
as a marketing term, instead of progressive web

1224
00:45:00,070 --> 00:45:03,150
app, when I say use, you know, use

1225
00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:04,890
the universal app and they click on the

1226
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:06,810
little mobile icon and they learn how to

1227
00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:08,410
install it on their home screen.

1228
00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:10,130
That's their thing.

1229
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:11,390
They're, they use it.

1230
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:12,750
They're not going back.

1231
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:16,170
And as we've progressed and we've been talking

1232
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:19,630
to radio stations, we know that TuneIn has

1233
00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:20,710
given up on podcasts.

1234
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:22,170
TuneIn is a failed company.

1235
00:45:22,810 --> 00:45:25,270
And the only business TuneIn still has is

1236
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:27,570
charging 65 bucks a month for your listing.

1237
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:31,690
I know because I have hellofred.fm listed

1238
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:34,350
in TuneIn and I did that only so

1239
00:45:34,350 --> 00:45:37,250
that people could get it on Sonos because

1240
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:38,370
guess what?

1241
00:45:38,410 --> 00:45:40,570
You can't just add a stream on Sonos.

1242
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:42,650
Oh no, those guys have locked their shit

1243
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:43,030
down.

1244
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:45,690
So it's very hard.

1245
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:48,370
So it's $65 a month to be listed

1246
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:48,990
in TuneIn?

1247
00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:49,230
Yep.

1248
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:52,370
65 bucks a month.

1249
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:52,610
Yeah.

1250
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:54,290
Now, now a lot of that's if you're

1251
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:55,350
new and you want to come in.

1252
00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:57,450
And by the way, I got listed within

1253
00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:58,330
24 hours.

1254
00:45:58,450 --> 00:46:00,670
I mean, it's the company has a processes

1255
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:02,790
that still work, but no podcast is going

1256
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:03,570
to pay for a listing.

1257
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:04,770
So they don't care about you.

1258
00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:05,030
No.

1259
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:06,890
And they've grandfathered in a lot.

1260
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:08,190
I'm sure that, you know, most of the

1261
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:10,410
big stations don't pay for it, but if

1262
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:11,770
you want to be on there now, you

1263
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:13,170
have to pay to get listed, but it's

1264
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:16,370
basically a failed system because everyone takes their

1265
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:17,630
phone into the car.

1266
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:20,470
Car companies have all but given up on

1267
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:23,410
in-car entertainment because you're bringing your, your

1268
00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:27,190
iPhone, your Android using Android auto or CarPlay.

1269
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:30,230
And so coincidentally, and this is the part

1270
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:34,230
I really like, you can subscribe to your

1271
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:38,010
Godcaster in this case, hellofred.fm with one

1272
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:40,450
click in any modern podcast app.

1273
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:42,790
And now all of a sudden you've got

1274
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:46,770
my live streaming radio station through CarPlay on

1275
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:50,870
fountain or on a podcast guru or podcast

1276
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:51,190
addict.

1277
00:46:51,730 --> 00:46:53,170
I mean, this stuff really works.

1278
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:54,750
This is the stuff that we've built for.

1279
00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:56,290
And yeah.

1280
00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:58,670
And that's, that's been, that's been part of

1281
00:46:58,670 --> 00:47:02,410
the difficult thing to get just radio stations

1282
00:47:02,410 --> 00:47:07,330
to understand is the, the transition to digital

1283
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:09,450
is really a transition to podcasting.

1284
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:14,910
Um, but especially now, especially now that we

1285
00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:17,390
have the, the 2.0 live item tag

1286
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:21,710
really gets rid of any, there's, there's really

1287
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:24,830
no podcasting is radio for all intents and

1288
00:47:24,830 --> 00:47:26,130
purposes, or it can be.

1289
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:28,770
And so if you're, you know, if you're

1290
00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:31,090
on, if you're, you have a church or

1291
00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:34,110
a radio station or whatever, and you click

1292
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:38,250
to follow the player in a, you know,

1293
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:40,410
it just, it asks you what podcast app

1294
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:41,430
you're going to use, you know, what are

1295
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:43,850
you going to use to, uh, uh, uh,

1296
00:47:43,850 --> 00:47:47,670
true fans, fountain, customatic, podcast addict, what you

1297
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:49,330
just get, you know, podverse, it gives you

1298
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:52,670
a list of apps that we know support

1299
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:55,530
those critical features and even ones that don't,

1300
00:47:55,650 --> 00:47:57,610
uh, like apple podcasts or whatever.

1301
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:58,710
But we try to push those down to

1302
00:47:58,710 --> 00:48:00,450
the bottom because they don't have a live

1303
00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:05,210
item support, but 2.0 podcasting 2.0

1304
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:11,270
really, it enables the full digital transition from,

1305
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:16,790
from broadcast to podcasting because podcasting really, the

1306
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:19,470
thing that was the thing that I think

1307
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:24,550
the reason that many, uh, radio stations don't

1308
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:30,230
think about podcasting as, as the next logical

1309
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:35,470
step in the transition is because it's not,

1310
00:48:35,590 --> 00:48:38,110
it has always been synonymous with on demand.

1311
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:39,190
Yes.

1312
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:42,110
And, and that seems like it's just not,

1313
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:46,370
it doesn't mentally jive for most, you know,

1314
00:48:46,450 --> 00:48:49,950
radio people because they're like, you know, my

1315
00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:53,030
program grid is, is always going, it's live.

1316
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:55,310
It's not a, I mean, sure we can

1317
00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:58,330
provide these things on demand, but there's always

1318
00:48:58,330 --> 00:49:00,730
going to be some component, which is the

1319
00:49:00,730 --> 00:49:03,530
live component that is just not, that's not

1320
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:06,050
podcasting, but we'll, we'll guess what it is

1321
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:08,590
now because to, because of the 2.0

1322
00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:11,510
tag and, and yeah, and that, that makes

1323
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:12,830
it a full experience.

1324
00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:14,230
And with the live tag.

1325
00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:15,610
So what I've done is I just set

1326
00:49:15,610 --> 00:49:18,910
up a live 365 station and I'm playing

1327
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:19,930
licensed music.

1328
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:22,270
I pay for that, you know, live 365

1329
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:24,810
gives you a, when you use it for

1330
00:49:24,810 --> 00:49:27,550
licensed music, you pay your ASCAP, BMI, your

1331
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:30,270
PRI, your Buma Stemra does it for all

1332
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:30,870
over the world.

1333
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:34,890
Basically it pays and which is limiting and

1334
00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:35,670
can get expensive.

1335
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:39,310
But what's interesting is that people are giving

1336
00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:42,750
up on K-Love, the number one Christian

1337
00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:46,070
music station, which has broadcast stations all over

1338
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:46,630
the country.

1339
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,070
These guys, I mean, they do like $400

1340
00:49:49,070 --> 00:49:51,790
million a year in donations.

1341
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:53,310
This is a huge station.

1342
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:55,990
People are giving that up and they're saying

1343
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:59,450
to me, I like Hello Fred better because

1344
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:01,730
it has the music I like and it

1345
00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:03,290
has stuff from my town.

1346
00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:06,490
I'm hearing about what's going on in Fredericksburg

1347
00:50:06,490 --> 00:50:09,170
and it has stuff from my pastor or,

1348
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:11,050
you know, or from people I know who,

1349
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:12,410
and I can go and listen to the

1350
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:13,990
podcast later if I want to.

1351
00:50:14,170 --> 00:50:15,650
And it's all in one place.

1352
00:50:16,270 --> 00:50:17,950
It's like such a no brainer.

1353
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:19,050
So what are we doing?

1354
00:50:19,530 --> 00:50:23,070
A very highly specialized podcast app.

1355
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:26,730
And this has always been that for quite

1356
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:28,050
a while, this has been my view.

1357
00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:30,210
And this is why I said, make the

1358
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:31,270
Rachel Maddow app.

1359
00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:34,450
I mean, you could make it for this

1360
00:50:34,450 --> 00:50:39,970
a hundred different types of niches and audience

1361
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:41,890
demographics I can think of.

1362
00:50:42,310 --> 00:50:45,250
But I really like the local one because

1363
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,110
that's where the most opportunity is.

1364
00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:51,070
And we're not pitching for any support.

1365
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:54,070
You know, I think we're a long way

1366
00:50:54,070 --> 00:50:56,370
off from even needing to do that.

1367
00:50:56,690 --> 00:51:00,670
But I'm quite certain that my local community

1368
00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:03,210
here will support if I ask them to

1369
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:04,190
support Hello Fred.

1370
00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:07,350
They will support it because they know it's

1371
00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:08,590
for their local area.

1372
00:51:08,590 --> 00:51:11,410
Now, it's not, it's never going to be

1373
00:51:11,410 --> 00:51:12,250
Joe Rogan money.

1374
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:14,770
You can only have so many Joe Rogans,

1375
00:51:14,830 --> 00:51:16,150
which by the way, is something we need

1376
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:19,530
to talk about because we're seeing saturation now.

1377
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:23,490
We're seeing complete saturation of this format.

1378
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:28,090
Is if there is a, if there's a

1379
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:31,250
thing that I think maybe we missed in

1380
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:33,710
the whole idea, because the whole idea of

1381
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:35,810
podcasting 2.0 from the very beginning was

1382
00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:39,690
to get was that app developers share in

1383
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:41,470
the revenue stream, right?

1384
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:45,110
And if they're, because the money in podcasting,

1385
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:48,130
even though we knew it wasn't, you know,

1386
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:49,330
honestly, $2 billion.

1387
00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:51,470
I mean, that was always kind of ridiculous,

1388
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:56,870
but we thought it was big.

1389
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:59,710
I'm of the opinion now that it was

1390
00:51:59,710 --> 00:52:02,130
that most of that is a smoke screen,

1391
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:05,470
that there's much, you know, what we saw

1392
00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:07,670
happen two years ago with sort of the

1393
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:13,330
collapse of much of, of the podcasting world

1394
00:52:13,330 --> 00:52:16,050
as far as big money and that kind

1395
00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:16,830
of thing goes.

1396
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,710
Much of that collapse, I think it was

1397
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:24,210
just, was just reality reasserting itself.

1398
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:27,250
And so if that's the case, see, because

1399
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:29,050
we, you know, at least me, I'm just,

1400
00:52:29,050 --> 00:52:31,510
let me just speak from my own mindset

1401
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:32,390
real quick.

1402
00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:35,770
I mean, my own mindset was that, okay,

1403
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:41,170
here's all this money that's going to, that's

1404
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:45,130
going to, to podcasters and the app developers

1405
00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:48,270
are not getting any part of that.

1406
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:54,210
But there's, I guess the reality is they

1407
00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:57,030
were, there was nothing really there for them

1408
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:57,650
to get.

1409
00:52:59,010 --> 00:53:01,170
But let me try to, let me try

1410
00:53:01,170 --> 00:53:02,130
to say this a different way.

1411
00:53:02,650 --> 00:53:03,590
This might work better.

1412
00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,450
It seems like the reality is that the

1413
00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:12,210
pod, the podcast apps and their revenue is

1414
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:15,930
probably more indicative of the reality of the

1415
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:20,350
financial side of podcasting than, than what is

1416
00:53:20,350 --> 00:53:24,570
reported as the big deals and, and the

1417
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:27,290
$2 billion and all these things.

1418
00:53:27,310 --> 00:53:31,130
Like that was never, that was never real.

1419
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:32,170
You know what I mean?

1420
00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:36,610
Cause the numbers are so smokescreened.

1421
00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:40,110
We still don't know what, where this money

1422
00:53:40,110 --> 00:53:41,290
is or where it's going.

1423
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:43,910
And I mean, nobody can give you a

1424
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:45,910
real answer to any of this stuff.

1425
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:46,230
Right.

1426
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:51,030
And so if that's the case, the mistake,

1427
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:54,550
at least on my part, was thinking that

1428
00:53:54,550 --> 00:53:56,230
there was a lot of money for app

1429
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:57,630
developers to have.

1430
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:58,730
Right.

1431
00:53:59,390 --> 00:54:04,630
And outside, and now that doesn't mean that,

1432
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:08,290
let me see how to say this.

1433
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:09,710
Okay.

1434
00:54:09,850 --> 00:54:13,690
So that means that in order for the

1435
00:54:13,690 --> 00:54:16,770
app developers to get this, to get the

1436
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:20,170
cut of the revenue, what's had to happen

1437
00:54:20,170 --> 00:54:22,690
is that the revenue has to be created,

1438
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:29,330
not just, not just adopted, not just co

1439
00:54:29,330 --> 00:54:33,450
co-opt like, um, because it wasn't there

1440
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:34,390
to begin with.

1441
00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:36,570
So what has to happen is there has

1442
00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:40,410
to develop a value for value ecosystem in

1443
00:54:40,410 --> 00:54:42,730
order for the revenue to even exist, to

1444
00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:44,950
then be split to the app developers.

1445
00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:45,570
Yes.

1446
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:47,350
And that's what Hyperlocal does.

1447
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:54,910
Hyperlocal creates a podcasting revenue source into the

1448
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:55,370
system.

1449
00:54:55,550 --> 00:54:58,470
Because the app being used is valuable to

1450
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:59,490
that ecosystem.

1451
00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:00,370
Yes.

1452
00:55:00,910 --> 00:55:03,710
And that's what has happened with Fountain and

1453
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:04,530
with TrueFans.

1454
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:08,470
And, uh, and honestly with Castamatic, with Podverse,

1455
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:11,150
they, now, now they're going about, they're not

1456
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:17,210
like, they're getting some percentage of the split

1457
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:21,550
from the Lightning ecosystem, but they're also getting,

1458
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:25,010
um, a large surge in interest of just

1459
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:27,570
people paying for the app, you know, supporting

1460
00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:28,650
monthly, that kind of thing.

1461
00:55:28,690 --> 00:55:29,730
And that's also valid.

1462
00:55:30,730 --> 00:55:33,530
And so because it's a, it's a reflection,

1463
00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:36,350
even though it's not a percentage of, of

1464
00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:37,910
donations or something like that, it is a,

1465
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:41,450
is a reflection of how much people value

1466
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:43,050
that app in their own life and to

1467
00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:43,970
their own experience.

1468
00:55:44,290 --> 00:55:44,390
Correct.

1469
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,130
So if that's, you know, this all just

1470
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:52,090
tells me that, that the hype, the Hyperlocal

1471
00:55:52,090 --> 00:55:57,210
part is, is sort of critical to podcasting,

1472
00:55:57,390 --> 00:56:02,950
uh, even having a valid revenue to begin

1473
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:03,210
with.

1474
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:08,270
And, and what happened is not, um, abnormal

1475
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:11,830
or is not unexpected is, you know, when

1476
00:56:11,830 --> 00:56:14,490
you have charts, when you have, you know,

1477
00:56:14,570 --> 00:56:17,570
awards, all the things that replicate the old

1478
00:56:17,570 --> 00:56:19,730
system, which is very typical, is very typical.

1479
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:21,490
That's a new technology is created.

1480
00:56:21,590 --> 00:56:23,110
And we try to shoehorn the old way

1481
00:56:23,110 --> 00:56:24,170
of thinking into it.

1482
00:56:24,790 --> 00:56:28,130
Um, that results in only a few apps

1483
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:31,450
being number one, whatever that for good or

1484
00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:35,130
for bad, a few, um, podcasters getting all

1485
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:38,090
the money or a lot of money or

1486
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:42,490
seeming not necessarily ad based money because the

1487
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:45,910
Spotify and Amazon Wondery deals, all this stuff

1488
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:48,230
that's wasn't necessarily based upon.

1489
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:52,090
It was based upon a forward-looking projection

1490
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:53,470
of what they thought they can do in

1491
00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:54,450
advertising revenue.

1492
00:56:54,590 --> 00:56:56,110
I think it's well-established now that that

1493
00:56:56,110 --> 00:56:58,350
failed, um, with Spotify.

1494
00:56:59,650 --> 00:57:04,990
Um, um, so, you know, there's only, there's

1495
00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:07,370
always going to be a Beyonce and a

1496
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:11,530
Taylor Swift, um, and all the rest will

1497
00:57:11,530 --> 00:57:12,410
needs.

1498
00:57:12,590 --> 00:57:13,670
It's the same with artists.

1499
00:57:13,810 --> 00:57:17,750
Artists have Hyperlocal communities of interest and of

1500
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:20,570
love, love of the artists, love of their

1501
00:57:20,570 --> 00:57:20,970
music.

1502
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:22,810
And those people will support.

1503
00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:25,710
And they've only been asked to buy t

1504
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:27,890
-shirts, you know?

1505
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:29,710
So if all you have is a t

1506
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:31,570
-shirt, then that's all people are going to

1507
00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:31,830
buy.

1508
00:57:31,930 --> 00:57:33,250
But when you now have a way to

1509
00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:36,890
say, send me value, they do it.

1510
00:57:37,310 --> 00:57:38,390
They do it.

1511
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:39,930
It's amazing.

1512
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:44,030
So it's, it's this Hyperlocal thinking where the

1513
00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:45,830
future lies and it's the future of everything.

1514
00:57:46,110 --> 00:57:47,810
You're always going to have one Netflix.

1515
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:49,630
You will have a Netflix.

1516
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:51,350
All the other stuff is going to be

1517
00:57:51,350 --> 00:57:55,150
very, very difficult unless it's very specific and

1518
00:57:55,150 --> 00:57:57,270
very small and very focused.

1519
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:59,710
And you can have a lot of success

1520
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:02,050
and a lot of happiness doing that.

1521
00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:03,750
I gotta tell you, I haven't been this

1522
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:05,350
happy in a long time, Dave Jones.

1523
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:07,270
Amen, brother.

1524
00:58:08,070 --> 00:58:11,870
So did you see this Michael Magnano thing,

1525
00:58:12,190 --> 00:58:13,710
the post on X about how they were

1526
00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:15,250
getting anchor feeds into Apple?

1527
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:17,890
And no, I don't know what that's about.

1528
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:19,530
Okay, good.

1529
00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:23,270
I think Nathan pointed it out and then

1530
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:26,030
James carried it this morning, I believe.

1531
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:26,830
Oh, I missed that.

1532
00:58:27,010 --> 00:58:28,310
This is, this is sort of, this is,

1533
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:30,590
it goes along with this discussion.

1534
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:33,430
He starts off this post by saying, here's

1535
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:35,410
the secret, here's the secret hack, you know,

1536
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:37,410
you know, Magnano, he's, he's the founder of

1537
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:37,730
Anchor.

1538
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:41,310
He said, here's the secret hack that enabled

1539
00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:43,670
us to distribute millions of podcasts to Apple

1540
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:45,530
without writing a single line of code during

1541
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:47,490
the early days of Anchor and before we

1542
00:58:47,490 --> 00:58:48,330
sold Spotify.

1543
00:58:49,310 --> 00:58:51,290
So, you know, the, the question is always

1544
00:58:51,290 --> 00:58:54,290
how, how were they getting all these shows

1545
00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:57,110
automated into Apple podcasts?

1546
00:58:57,310 --> 00:58:57,450
Yeah.

1547
00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:59,530
Because there's no API for that.

1548
00:58:59,590 --> 00:58:59,830
Right.

1549
00:59:00,110 --> 00:59:01,630
Were they, were they using some sort of

1550
00:59:01,630 --> 00:59:03,370
corporate account where it was?

1551
00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:04,510
Oh yeah, I remember this.

1552
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:04,730
Sure.

1553
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:05,290
Yeah.

1554
00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:05,730
Yeah.

1555
00:59:05,730 --> 00:59:08,250
Cause they were just pumping millions of podcasts

1556
00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:10,070
into Apple podcasts, just out of the blue.

1557
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:15,590
And so jump into the, jump into the

1558
00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:16,150
punch line.

1559
00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:19,830
He says, with only a few months of

1560
00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:21,830
runway left before we were out of business,

1561
00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:22,770
we had an idea.

1562
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:25,330
What if we used humans to distribute the

1563
00:59:25,330 --> 00:59:27,850
podcast by hand instead of building technology?

1564
00:59:28,310 --> 00:59:29,290
And so we tried it.

1565
00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:32,310
We hired college students to stay by their

1566
00:59:32,310 --> 00:59:34,350
computers and to wait the moment a user

1567
00:59:34,350 --> 00:59:35,930
wanted to distribute a podcast.

1568
00:59:36,570 --> 00:59:39,490
Once that happened, they manually created an RSS

1569
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:41,970
feed and hand submitted them to Apple podcasts

1570
00:59:41,970 --> 00:59:45,050
and other platforms through their podcast connect portal.

1571
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:48,050
It was a perfect use case for the

1572
00:59:48,050 --> 00:59:50,570
quote, do things that don't scale mantra.

1573
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:52,750
No bigger company would ever think to do

1574
00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:53,690
something so absurd.

1575
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:55,590
And it was a completely dumb, non-innovative

1576
00:59:55,590 --> 00:59:56,150
solutions.

1577
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:58,610
So most startups wouldn't do it, but it

1578
00:59:58,610 --> 01:00:00,070
worked at its peak.

1579
01:00:00,130 --> 01:00:02,850
We had hundreds of people submitting podcasts on

1580
01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:03,790
any given day.

1581
01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:06,890
Within months, we became the biggest podcasting platform

1582
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:08,230
in the world by a lot.

1583
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:10,150
And not too long after we were acquired

1584
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:10,790
by Spotify.

1585
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:15,830
So this, this is what I mean by

1586
01:00:15,830 --> 01:00:21,690
the numbers are, have always been just all

1587
01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:22,590
over podcasting.

1588
01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:23,810
They've always been phony.

1589
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:25,150
It's all phony.

1590
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:27,790
It's like the old days of hits.

1591
01:00:28,330 --> 01:00:30,330
We got a million hits this week.

1592
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:33,310
Podcasting was never as big as it looked.

1593
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:35,870
It was never as flush with money as

1594
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:36,350
it looked.

1595
01:00:36,850 --> 01:00:39,590
All of that was, was just not true.

1596
01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:43,490
And the, the, we, I mean, we knew

1597
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:46,290
that intuitively from just the index stats.

1598
01:00:46,530 --> 01:00:49,310
I mean, the index, the index of stats

1599
01:00:49,310 --> 01:00:52,190
have reflected that since day one, you know,

1600
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:54,970
there's four and, you know, four to 5

1601
01:00:54,970 --> 01:01:00,290
million podcasts yet somehow only 150,000 of

1602
01:01:00,290 --> 01:01:02,410
them update every 30 days.

1603
01:01:02,430 --> 01:01:02,970
Yeah, exactly.

1604
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:07,230
And so if that's the case, what it,

1605
01:01:07,290 --> 01:01:09,550
what it tells me is that podcasting is

1606
01:01:09,550 --> 01:01:11,610
actually still building itself.

1607
01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:15,850
There was a, there was a period of

1608
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:21,410
time where Anchor and a couple of other

1609
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:28,850
companies came in and artificially inflated podcasting to

1610
01:01:28,850 --> 01:01:32,790
something that was just completely untrue and ridiculous.

1611
01:01:33,370 --> 01:01:35,730
And I don't think we've gotten out of

1612
01:01:35,730 --> 01:01:36,270
that mindset.

1613
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:40,370
We know it intellectually, but the sort of

1614
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:43,750
emotional momentum of what we thought podcasting was

1615
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:46,230
four years ago, I don't think it's burned

1616
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:46,870
off yet.

1617
01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:49,330
We, we, we have to, we have to

1618
01:01:49,330 --> 01:01:53,690
keep, we have to keep reminding ourselves of

1619
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:55,030
what reality is.

1620
01:01:55,070 --> 01:01:59,530
And reality is there's only about 150,000

1621
01:01:59,530 --> 01:02:01,490
podcasts that update every 30 days.

1622
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:03,290
That is reality.

1623
01:02:04,090 --> 01:02:07,650
And that is completely inconsistent with $2 billion.

1624
01:02:08,830 --> 01:02:09,270
Yes.

1625
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:14,270
Well, I, I did stumble across something that

1626
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:15,090
I wanted to share.

1627
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:17,530
We stumbled across this yesterday in no agenda.

1628
01:02:17,890 --> 01:02:20,850
And I'm so back up a little bit,

1629
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:23,350
this whole, you've got to have video, you've

1630
01:02:23,350 --> 01:02:24,350
got to have video, you've got to have

1631
01:02:24,350 --> 01:02:25,170
video, you've got to video.

1632
01:02:25,710 --> 01:02:29,010
The reason why, and that really, and that

1633
01:02:29,010 --> 01:02:31,970
is synonymous with YouTube, YouTube, YouTube is because

1634
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:34,810
people are on YouTube and people use YouTube

1635
01:02:34,810 --> 01:02:37,230
and they listen to stuff on YouTube.

1636
01:02:37,550 --> 01:02:40,050
I mean, I, I listen, I'll start a

1637
01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:42,610
something on YouTube and I'll be doing the

1638
01:02:42,610 --> 01:02:44,150
dishes and I'm just listening to it.

1639
01:02:44,190 --> 01:02:45,630
And it's just a place where you can

1640
01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:48,990
put your stuff and people come across it.

1641
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:50,850
Algos kick in at a certain amount.

1642
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:52,970
And so all the upside is there.

1643
01:02:53,050 --> 01:02:54,750
The downside is you don't control it.

1644
01:02:54,790 --> 01:02:56,830
You don't control, you just don't, you've lost

1645
01:02:56,830 --> 01:02:57,230
control.

1646
01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:58,310
You don't control your audience.

1647
01:02:58,310 --> 01:02:59,470
You don't own your audience.

1648
01:03:00,050 --> 01:03:03,250
You have nothing except you have better first

1649
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:06,170
person data and you have a promise of

1650
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:07,270
maybe making some money.

1651
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:08,730
So that's fine.

1652
01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:12,950
I can tell you right now in 2025,

1653
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:15,390
YouTube is going to go all out on

1654
01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:16,790
what they call podcasting.

1655
01:03:17,310 --> 01:03:20,390
And what they call podcasting is the Joe

1656
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:21,190
Rogan format.

1657
01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:24,730
And I'm sure that a lot, and you

1658
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:26,390
know, if I had a nickel for every

1659
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:29,130
single time, someone says, well, my kids where

1660
01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:31,130
I see the young people and they think

1661
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:32,070
that's podcasting.

1662
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:32,670
Yeah, they do.

1663
01:03:33,290 --> 01:03:33,810
They do.

1664
01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:37,030
But they'll also call this a podcast.

1665
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:38,010
You know, they're not stupid.

1666
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:41,110
They're not idiots, you know, but they think

1667
01:03:41,110 --> 01:03:44,870
a podcast is two people talking with headphones

1668
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:46,710
on and microphones in a studio where you

1669
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:47,550
can smoke.

1670
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:49,170
That's, that's what a podcast.

1671
01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:53,390
Now, so YouTube is about to drop millions

1672
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:56,950
and millions and millions of dollars on this.

1673
01:03:58,570 --> 01:04:02,010
And so gird your loins at the same

1674
01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:02,510
time.

1675
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:03,290
Wow.

1676
01:04:03,370 --> 01:04:06,170
What an opportunity to build something else while

1677
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:08,330
everyone is looking at that for a moment,

1678
01:04:08,330 --> 01:04:11,730
because the mega deals are coming and I'm

1679
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:12,790
going to prove it to you.

1680
01:04:13,210 --> 01:04:15,730
This is Chris Cuomo.

1681
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:19,990
And Chris Cuomo used to be primetime anchor

1682
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:20,670
on CNN.

1683
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:24,250
And then somewhere in, in or right after

1684
01:04:24,250 --> 01:04:27,790
the COVID period, co-locally known as the

1685
01:04:27,790 --> 01:04:28,510
COVID period.

1686
01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:33,230
It came out that he and his brother,

1687
01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:36,530
his brother, his older brother was governor of

1688
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:37,010
New York.

1689
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:40,310
And you know, he was helping him out.

1690
01:04:40,350 --> 01:04:42,310
And you know, it's all these not done

1691
01:04:42,310 --> 01:04:44,310
if you're someone in the news business, and

1692
01:04:44,310 --> 01:04:47,870
you have him backdoor conversations with politicians, whatever,

1693
01:04:48,110 --> 01:04:49,830
long story short, he gets kicked off of

1694
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:50,250
CNN.

1695
01:04:50,890 --> 01:04:54,310
And then he winds up eventually on NewsNation,

1696
01:04:54,510 --> 01:04:57,350
another cable station, but he's really gotten into

1697
01:04:57,350 --> 01:04:58,630
podcasting.

1698
01:04:58,970 --> 01:05:00,810
And he does his, he's been doing his

1699
01:05:00,810 --> 01:05:01,630
podcast for a while.

1700
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:03,650
And he's a very irritating man to me.

1701
01:05:04,290 --> 01:05:10,990
But his most recent podcast, he, he did

1702
01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:12,350
a, he did a prediction.

1703
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:14,570
And I was wondering why he did the

1704
01:05:14,570 --> 01:05:16,970
prediction and I'll play these clips and we'll

1705
01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:17,650
talk about it.

1706
01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:20,750
Oh, I hope 2025 is everything you wanted

1707
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:21,730
it to be.

1708
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:23,210
You see, this is why I don't like

1709
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:23,550
this guy.

1710
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:24,770
That's him.

1711
01:05:24,850 --> 01:05:25,390
Yeah, that's him.

1712
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:28,730
That's, that's bear bear with me.

1713
01:05:28,790 --> 01:05:29,370
Bear with me.

1714
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:32,410
Oh, I hope 2025 is everything you wanted

1715
01:05:32,410 --> 01:05:33,370
it to be.

1716
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:34,910
How do we know we just started?

1717
01:05:35,130 --> 01:05:35,990
I'm Chris Cuomo.

1718
01:05:36,110 --> 01:05:37,370
Welcome to the Chris Cuomo project.

1719
01:05:37,410 --> 01:05:39,390
I'm going to do something that I don't

1720
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:41,790
really ever do make predictions.

1721
01:05:42,070 --> 01:05:44,310
And I'm bringing in for the help with

1722
01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:46,310
this segment, the one and only the inimitable,

1723
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:50,290
the new daddy, Mr. Greg Ott, not real

1724
01:05:50,290 --> 01:05:50,750
name.

1725
01:05:50,970 --> 01:05:52,750
This is his, his version of Jamie.

1726
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:54,210
He has his producer, Jamie.

1727
01:05:54,490 --> 01:05:55,110
His name is Greg.

1728
01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:56,090
My producer.

1729
01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:56,810
Okay.

1730
01:05:56,830 --> 01:05:57,490
I've got a prediction.

1731
01:05:57,710 --> 01:06:00,930
Number one, the pod scape is going to

1732
01:06:00,930 --> 01:06:01,350
change.

1733
01:06:01,450 --> 01:06:03,430
Now I love the word pod scape, by

1734
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:06,730
the way, something about calling it the pod

1735
01:06:06,730 --> 01:06:08,190
scape would just tickle me.

1736
01:06:08,810 --> 01:06:10,750
And the people who were at the top

1737
01:06:10,750 --> 01:06:14,190
last year will not be at the top

1738
01:06:14,190 --> 01:06:15,730
all of this year.

1739
01:06:15,850 --> 01:06:17,410
So this is pertinent to the podcast.

1740
01:06:17,610 --> 01:06:19,270
This is a podcast you're presumably watching.

1741
01:06:19,330 --> 01:06:20,290
Here's what has happened.

1742
01:06:20,650 --> 01:06:20,910
Okay.

1743
01:06:21,370 --> 01:06:24,770
Now money rushed into the pod space and

1744
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:27,230
tons of big and bad deal.

1745
01:06:27,370 --> 01:06:27,730
The pod space is being inconsistent.

1746
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:30,230
He went from pods, but pod scape is

1747
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:30,930
still my favorite.

1748
01:06:30,970 --> 01:06:31,230
Okay.

1749
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:33,150
But now it's not about man, but money

1750
01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:33,830
rushed in.

1751
01:06:34,050 --> 01:06:34,390
What's that?

1752
01:06:35,110 --> 01:06:35,910
The manosphere.

1753
01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:36,590
That's he dropped.

1754
01:06:36,730 --> 01:06:37,190
They dropped that.

1755
01:06:37,330 --> 01:06:37,490
Oh yeah.

1756
01:06:37,590 --> 01:06:38,010
Manosphere.

1757
01:06:38,170 --> 01:06:38,290
Sure.

1758
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:38,710
Okay.

1759
01:06:39,090 --> 01:06:42,470
Now money rushed into the pod space and

1760
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:46,050
tons of big and bad deals were made

1761
01:06:46,050 --> 01:06:48,350
in the last five years.

1762
01:06:48,830 --> 01:06:50,590
That money has dried up.

1763
01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:54,110
There's an, there's an aphorism in investing.

1764
01:06:54,270 --> 01:06:55,750
You never want to be first dollar in

1765
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:58,050
first dollar and got killed.

1766
01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:59,510
People were given a lot of money for

1767
01:06:59,510 --> 01:07:02,270
their podcasts and people have gone broke.

1768
01:07:02,690 --> 01:07:03,130
Okay.

1769
01:07:03,350 --> 01:07:04,790
Stop, stop, stop that thing.

1770
01:07:05,470 --> 01:07:07,330
I need some context here.

1771
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:10,870
Is he, how long has he been podcasting?

1772
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:12,050
Oh, for, for years.

1773
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:13,610
Okay.

1774
01:07:13,630 --> 01:07:15,270
So this is not something new for him.

1775
01:07:15,310 --> 01:07:15,890
No, no, no.

1776
01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:17,370
He's been in the game because I've never

1777
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:18,770
heard of Chris Cuomo podcast.

1778
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:21,430
It's the, it's the Chris Cuomo project.

1779
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:24,930
Was he podcasting as part of CNN or

1780
01:07:24,930 --> 01:07:26,730
was he podcasting on his own in addition

1781
01:07:26,730 --> 01:07:27,490
to his CNN?

1782
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:29,330
The minute he got canned, he started a

1783
01:07:29,330 --> 01:07:31,530
podcast and then, and he kept that going.

1784
01:07:31,650 --> 01:07:33,830
And now he's, he keeps doing the podcast

1785
01:07:33,830 --> 01:07:36,670
while he also has his news nation program.

1786
01:07:36,810 --> 01:07:38,750
So he's, he's, for all intents and purposes,

1787
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:40,090
a podcaster.

1788
01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:42,230
You can subscribe to him in a podcast

1789
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:42,730
app.

1790
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:44,330
And of course you can also get them

1791
01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:45,650
on YouTube and we'll get to that in

1792
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:46,010
a moment.

1793
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:47,890
First dollar and got killed.

1794
01:07:48,050 --> 01:07:49,350
People were given a lot of money for

1795
01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:52,090
their podcasts and people have gone broke.

1796
01:07:52,270 --> 01:07:53,450
This is, I don't know what he's talking

1797
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:53,970
about here.

1798
01:07:54,050 --> 01:07:55,610
Nobody went broke, but okay.

1799
01:07:55,610 --> 01:07:58,790
I mean, maybe that one, what was that

1800
01:07:58,790 --> 01:07:59,450
one company?

1801
01:08:00,170 --> 01:08:00,550
Oh yeah.

1802
01:08:00,610 --> 01:08:00,750
One.

1803
01:08:01,010 --> 01:08:01,130
Yeah.

1804
01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:01,410
Yeah.

1805
01:08:01,530 --> 01:08:02,610
The, what was that?

1806
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:03,070
Whatever.

1807
01:08:03,290 --> 01:08:03,610
Yeah.

1808
01:08:03,850 --> 01:08:04,290
The one, yeah.

1809
01:08:04,290 --> 01:08:05,670
The one that Theo Vaughn was part of.

1810
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:05,910
Yeah.

1811
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:06,130
That one.

1812
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:09,150
Kind of like what happened when Sirius thought

1813
01:08:09,150 --> 01:08:12,430
that having Howard Stern would make them like

1814
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:14,590
a household thing hasn't happened.

1815
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:16,270
Just made him really rich.

1816
01:08:16,810 --> 01:08:19,130
But it's not like Sirius is everywhere now,

1817
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:19,330
right?

1818
01:08:19,350 --> 01:08:20,870
They're just mainly in like rental cars.

1819
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:23,609
Second dollar in with the pod scape.

1820
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:27,189
With this election, people now know that you

1821
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:28,990
can get banged for your buck and you

1822
01:08:28,990 --> 01:08:30,310
can get reach and resonance.

1823
01:08:30,970 --> 01:08:33,510
And I'm telling you on the right and

1824
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:35,729
on the anti-institutional side, you're going to

1825
01:08:35,729 --> 01:08:38,250
do a lot better than Joe Rogan and

1826
01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:41,930
his merry band of, you know, cut rate

1827
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:42,510
comedians.

1828
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:43,330
Okay.

1829
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:45,649
So he's very underhanded.

1830
01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:47,630
I really don't know what he's trying to

1831
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:47,830
say.

1832
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:49,010
It'll become clear.

1833
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:51,350
Listen to the prediction he makes in this

1834
01:08:51,350 --> 01:08:51,910
next bit.

1835
01:08:52,569 --> 01:08:54,109
And I'm not saying that those guys will

1836
01:08:54,109 --> 01:08:57,210
disappear, but you're going to see better, bigger

1837
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:58,189
talent come in.

1838
01:08:58,310 --> 01:08:58,649
Like what?

1839
01:08:58,910 --> 01:09:00,510
A guy like a Bill Burr.

1840
01:09:00,729 --> 01:09:02,050
Now this is very important.

1841
01:09:02,330 --> 01:09:06,609
Bill Burr is a comedian like Rogan, but

1842
01:09:06,609 --> 01:09:09,189
Bill Burr has a podcast, but Bill Burr

1843
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:12,189
is a, he's, I'd say he's more of

1844
01:09:12,189 --> 01:09:14,109
a leftist thinking type person.

1845
01:09:15,370 --> 01:09:17,109
And yeah, he's, you know, he's all in

1846
01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:20,229
on COVID vax and, you know, the antithesis

1847
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:22,970
really of Rogan, even though he'll be on

1848
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:24,710
Rogan show, but they get into big arguments.

1849
01:09:24,830 --> 01:09:26,170
So he's more leftist.

1850
01:09:26,310 --> 01:09:27,990
Is going to get enticed into that space.

1851
01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:29,990
A guy like Louis CK.

1852
01:09:30,290 --> 01:09:33,310
Louis CK is another fine example, much more

1853
01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:34,649
left leaning than right leaning.

1854
01:09:34,790 --> 01:09:35,330
Burr has a podcast.

1855
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:37,290
Jim Gaffigan would be in that.

1856
01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:37,890
Jim Gaffigan.

1857
01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:38,649
Exactly.

1858
01:09:39,069 --> 01:09:39,430
Exactly.

1859
01:09:39,609 --> 01:09:41,970
Saying, ramping it up, that there's going to

1860
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:44,010
be money that puts it into a sphere

1861
01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:46,790
where he's sitting with major people as opposed

1862
01:09:46,790 --> 01:09:48,149
to it just being an end.

1863
01:09:48,670 --> 01:09:49,210
That's what I'm saying.

1864
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:51,189
Instead of it just being like an end

1865
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:53,590
to what Bill Burr does, it's going to

1866
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:54,550
be his thing.

1867
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:55,110
Okay.

1868
01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:56,590
Stephen A.

1869
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:56,910
Smith.

1870
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:58,030
Stephen A.

1871
01:09:58,090 --> 01:09:59,590
Smith is a black guy.

1872
01:10:00,910 --> 01:10:01,350
ESPN.

1873
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:04,850
I would say he could go either way,

1874
01:10:04,990 --> 01:10:06,870
but I would say also he could go

1875
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:08,210
much more left than right.

1876
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:09,830
This is very, this is, and there's a

1877
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:10,670
reason for this.

1878
01:10:10,770 --> 01:10:13,690
Is going to explode on the landscape of

1879
01:10:13,690 --> 01:10:14,390
conversation.

1880
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:15,850
Is going to explode.

1881
01:10:16,050 --> 01:10:17,450
How does Chris Cuomo know this?

1882
01:10:17,490 --> 01:10:18,530
It's going to explode.

1883
01:10:18,710 --> 01:10:19,890
I was very curious now.

1884
01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:20,150
Okay.

1885
01:10:20,530 --> 01:10:23,610
And again, no disrespect to Rogan.

1886
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:25,570
You must give him his props for building

1887
01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:26,250
a platform.

1888
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:27,090
Good for him.

1889
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:30,070
But now you're going to have better talent

1890
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:31,090
in that space.

1891
01:10:31,530 --> 01:10:31,670
Okay.

1892
01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:32,230
Okay.

1893
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:34,470
So I'm listening to this and now I'm

1894
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:37,190
realizing because this, I catch this on YouTube.

1895
01:10:37,190 --> 01:10:41,410
Um, because someone sent it to me and

1896
01:10:41,410 --> 01:10:44,830
I see in the background is a YouTube

1897
01:10:44,830 --> 01:10:46,930
award, like some platinum award.

1898
01:10:47,150 --> 01:10:48,690
You know, they give you awards when you

1899
01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:49,950
have X number of viewers.

1900
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:50,370
Yeah.

1901
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:51,370
A hundred thousand followers.

1902
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:51,930
Or more.

1903
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:53,450
This is, this is, well, this one has

1904
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:54,370
diamonds on it.

1905
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:56,670
And now I'm thinking, wait a minute.

1906
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:58,750
Cuomo's been read in on this.

1907
01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:01,190
Why is he bringing up all of these

1908
01:11:01,190 --> 01:11:03,830
leftist type comedians?

1909
01:11:04,710 --> 01:11:07,310
And at this point, Dvorak said to me,

1910
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:10,330
this is exactly what they said about Rush

1911
01:11:10,330 --> 01:11:10,810
Limbaugh.

1912
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:12,590
If people don't know who Rush Limbaugh was,

1913
01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:14,130
Rush Limbaugh passed away.

1914
01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:18,170
He was the conservative voice of AM talk

1915
01:11:18,170 --> 01:11:19,690
radio throughout America.

1916
01:11:20,050 --> 01:11:24,050
And the Democrats in America, the left, left,

1917
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:29,150
politically left-minded groups always said, we need

1918
01:11:29,150 --> 01:11:30,430
our Rush Limbaugh.

1919
01:11:30,930 --> 01:11:32,530
We need our Rush Limbaugh.

1920
01:11:32,530 --> 01:11:35,470
And so what I believe has happened and

1921
01:11:35,470 --> 01:11:39,850
Cuomo is read in is, and Google is

1922
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:40,610
run by Democrats.

1923
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:43,090
This is, they, they cried the first time

1924
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:43,990
Trump got elected.

1925
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:47,770
This run by Democrats, there is a deal

1926
01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:49,230
they're going to get.

1927
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:51,210
They're going to get not just one, not

1928
01:11:51,210 --> 01:11:54,390
two, but maybe five Joe Rogans for the

1929
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:54,830
left.

1930
01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:57,570
And money is going to flow.

1931
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:59,130
It's just a piggyback on that.

1932
01:11:59,130 --> 01:12:02,030
This came out recently that more people are

1933
01:12:02,030 --> 01:12:03,830
watching podcasts now on YouTube, and you've been

1934
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:04,210
doing this.

1935
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:06,230
This podcast dropped first on YouTube.

1936
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:07,890
So now they're shilling for YouTube.

1937
01:12:08,110 --> 01:12:09,630
And then this is a YouTube shill.

1938
01:12:09,970 --> 01:12:10,870
Yes, yes.

1939
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:12,410
This is how I knew it was true.

1940
01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:13,290
From the beginning, we're like.

1941
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:15,750
That was such an inorganic transition.

1942
01:12:16,090 --> 01:12:18,710
It went straight into YouTube and YouTube, YouTube,

1943
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:19,510
YouTube, YouTube.

1944
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:21,010
Hey, let's put myself online.

1945
01:12:21,190 --> 01:12:22,530
People want to see me and hear me.

1946
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:24,110
So it's like, you know, one product to

1947
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:24,230
one.

1948
01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:25,850
But it's the confluence is interesting to me

1949
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:27,230
of like, this thing you used to listen

1950
01:12:27,230 --> 01:12:27,390
to.

1951
01:12:27,390 --> 01:12:29,670
Well, it's quite easy to get a setup,

1952
01:12:29,850 --> 01:12:31,470
you know, in your house like this and

1953
01:12:31,470 --> 01:12:32,310
broadcast.

1954
01:12:32,650 --> 01:12:32,950
Yes.

1955
01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:34,710
In a very DIY way.

1956
01:12:35,070 --> 01:12:37,050
And people are now, especially a lot of

1957
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:38,930
the YouTube stats are, more people are watching

1958
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:40,530
things on their televisions and thus.

1959
01:12:40,710 --> 01:12:42,350
I don't know if that's true, but okay.

1960
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:44,250
You've been told by YouTube to say that.

1961
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:45,270
You sit down and watch a show.

1962
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:46,290
It's kind of replacing talk shows.

1963
01:12:46,370 --> 01:12:47,530
We talked about this before, but like, yeah,

1964
01:12:47,610 --> 01:12:48,210
this is a.

1965
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:54,170
Prediction one A is you will see mergers

1966
01:12:54,170 --> 01:12:56,130
in stream platforms.

1967
01:12:56,130 --> 01:12:59,110
Can you say Spotify strategy?

1968
01:12:59,690 --> 01:13:01,950
This is YouTube is doing the exact same

1969
01:13:01,950 --> 01:13:02,410
thing.

1970
01:13:02,530 --> 01:13:03,610
They're going to buy up.

1971
01:13:03,730 --> 01:13:04,630
You could buy rumble.

1972
01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:05,810
Rumble is a public company.

1973
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:07,070
Their stock is pretty low.

1974
01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:08,170
You could tender.

1975
01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:09,570
You could buy rumble.

1976
01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:12,070
You could buy, I don't know, bit shoot

1977
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:12,870
or whatever else.

1978
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:15,630
They're going to buy up just like they

1979
01:13:15,630 --> 01:13:18,190
bought up anchor and other hosting companies at

1980
01:13:18,190 --> 01:13:18,570
Spotify.

1981
01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:20,410
It's the same dumb.

1982
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:21,710
I might add strategy.

1983
01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:25,150
I went to YouTube early because I believe

1984
01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:26,550
video kills the radio star.

1985
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:29,410
What can I say about that?

1986
01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:31,410
Whatever people want to see more than they

1987
01:13:31,410 --> 01:13:31,970
want to listen.

1988
01:13:32,050 --> 01:13:33,450
I'm not telling you not to listen.

1989
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:35,250
Look, it's not my thing.

1990
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:36,970
I do an audio book every now and

1991
01:13:36,970 --> 01:13:37,130
then.

1992
01:13:37,190 --> 01:13:38,930
I'd rather read, but I want to see

1993
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:39,270
why?

1994
01:13:40,030 --> 01:13:42,490
Because I'm a visual learner and you take

1995
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:44,050
so much more in from people when you're

1996
01:13:44,050 --> 01:13:45,270
actually seeing them.

1997
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:46,850
Oh, yeah, that makes a big difference.

1998
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:49,710
But that's that's beside the point.

1999
01:13:49,710 --> 01:13:52,510
This at this point, it's a commercial for

2000
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:53,990
the award he has behind him.

2001
01:13:54,090 --> 01:13:54,910
He's read in.

2002
01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:56,150
He's going to be a part of it.

2003
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:58,950
Obviously, reading them texts, you get the least

2004
01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:01,550
context, the least feel hearing their voice.

2005
01:14:01,630 --> 01:14:03,770
You get more, but seeing them and hearing

2006
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:04,010
them.

2007
01:14:04,090 --> 01:14:05,170
So to me, it's a no brainer.

2008
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:07,690
But what you will see prediction one A

2009
01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:11,150
is consolidation in platforms, because the problem right

2010
01:14:11,150 --> 01:14:13,110
now is there are too many different places

2011
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:16,390
that you have to go and you need

2012
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:18,190
to monetize and they are going to start

2013
01:14:18,190 --> 01:14:19,090
buying each other up.

2014
01:14:19,090 --> 01:14:21,410
Now, Chris Cuomo is what we in America

2015
01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:22,390
call shwarmy.

2016
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:23,990
He's a shwarmy guy.

2017
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:27,810
I guarantee you he has been read in.

2018
01:14:28,290 --> 01:14:30,950
They're going to find a Rogan for the

2019
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:33,230
left and it's probably going to be the

2020
01:14:33,230 --> 01:14:34,290
Stephen A.

2021
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:37,210
Was it a Smith, the ESPN guy?

2022
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:37,590
A Smith.

2023
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:38,490
Yeah, he's popular.

2024
01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:39,790
Yeah.

2025
01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:42,790
And they're going to shell out millions and

2026
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:43,590
millions of dollars.

2027
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:45,670
We'll have the big Rogan type deals.

2028
01:14:46,050 --> 01:14:47,250
It'll all be YouTube.

2029
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:49,450
And it'll be great.

2030
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:51,650
And they'll call it podcasting.

2031
01:14:51,690 --> 01:14:53,550
By the way, they'll call it podcasting.

2032
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:55,530
That never works.

2033
01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:57,110
No, it never works.

2034
01:14:57,190 --> 01:15:00,070
Because the thing whenever you say, hey, we're

2035
01:15:00,070 --> 01:15:02,350
going to go get our version of this.

2036
01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:05,510
It doesn't matter what sphere it's in.

2037
01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:08,230
OK, so do you remember?

2038
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:09,610
Air America, baby.

2039
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:11,950
Air America is the example.

2040
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:14,510
Do you remember the brief period of time

2041
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:16,310
that Rush Limbaugh was on the NFL?

2042
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:17,530
Sunday morning show.

2043
01:15:17,710 --> 01:15:19,790
Yeah, I remember the Rush Limbaugh television show.

2044
01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:20,730
Yeah.

2045
01:15:20,830 --> 01:15:21,790
Also didn't work.

2046
01:15:22,690 --> 01:15:24,930
This is what this is what happens because

2047
01:15:24,930 --> 01:15:26,030
you have a.

2048
01:15:27,710 --> 01:15:29,990
Like this is what always says, let's say

2049
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:30,550
it's Stephen A.

2050
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:30,670
Smith.

2051
01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:33,850
Yeah, you you bring you bring this you

2052
01:15:33,850 --> 01:15:35,130
bring this person in.

2053
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:39,710
And they are now in a they're now

2054
01:15:39,710 --> 01:15:40,270
in a.

2055
01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:45,470
A milieu that they're not where they're that

2056
01:15:45,470 --> 01:15:46,650
they're not comfortable with.

2057
01:15:46,730 --> 01:15:47,650
Like you've taken Stephen A.

2058
01:15:47,670 --> 01:15:50,770
Smith out of ESPN, out of predominantly a

2059
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:55,430
sports mindset where he can sort of safely

2060
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:59,090
venture off into political commentary, but using sports

2061
01:15:59,090 --> 01:16:00,190
as this launchpad.

2062
01:16:00,310 --> 01:16:02,110
And now you take you take him out

2063
01:16:02,110 --> 01:16:03,890
of there and you stick him purely in

2064
01:16:03,890 --> 01:16:04,870
a political realm.

2065
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:07,110
Yeah, it fails immediately.

2066
01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:09,530
It just will ultimately it will totally fail.

2067
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:10,790
That's what happened to Rush Limbaugh.

2068
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:13,170
They stuck him in an entirely sports context

2069
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:17,930
and he said things in that context that

2070
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:20,350
he was comfortable saying on his own show.

2071
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:22,450
But didn't work within that immediately got him

2072
01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:23,690
canceled within three weeks.

2073
01:16:24,010 --> 01:16:28,130
So my point being, this is going to

2074
01:16:28,130 --> 01:16:28,510
happen.

2075
01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:33,690
The money that is in political parties and

2076
01:16:33,690 --> 01:16:38,930
political groups and and power based power bases

2077
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:40,450
is enormous.

2078
01:16:40,650 --> 01:16:43,090
It'll be real money and Google's going to

2079
01:16:43,090 --> 01:16:45,890
spend it and you and it will all

2080
01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:47,150
be called podcasting.

2081
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:49,330
And I think we should be very happy.

2082
01:16:49,450 --> 01:16:51,510
They're all going to do that because meanwhile,

2083
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:53,870
we can build all of our little apps

2084
01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:55,810
and do all our things and make make

2085
01:16:55,810 --> 01:16:59,010
specific if you want to local, but hyperlocal,

2086
01:16:59,130 --> 01:17:01,250
either geographic or of interest.

2087
01:17:01,290 --> 01:17:04,910
And it's going to be very successful because

2088
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:07,170
the format is saturated.

2089
01:17:07,870 --> 01:17:09,550
No one's looking for this anymore.

2090
01:17:10,130 --> 01:17:15,270
Brogan, Theo Vaughn, Lex Friedman, Tucker Carlson, Megyn

2091
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:17,130
Kelly, Dan Bongino.

2092
01:17:17,710 --> 01:17:18,910
So now they're just going to add a

2093
01:17:18,910 --> 01:17:20,490
whole bunch of those who talk from a

2094
01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:21,710
different political perspective.

2095
01:17:22,030 --> 01:17:23,130
It's going to be boring.

2096
01:17:23,470 --> 01:17:24,830
The guests will burn out.

2097
01:17:25,230 --> 01:17:27,230
You'll have overexposure.

2098
01:17:28,370 --> 01:17:31,090
It's not a good idea for them, but

2099
01:17:31,090 --> 01:17:31,930
they're going to do it anyway.

2100
01:17:33,190 --> 01:17:36,750
And the person with headphones interviews another person

2101
01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:37,330
with headphones.

2102
01:17:37,470 --> 01:17:39,350
That format is just it's just there's too

2103
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:40,010
much of it.

2104
01:17:40,110 --> 01:17:40,690
Yep, exactly.

2105
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:42,310
I mean, there's just so many.

2106
01:17:42,430 --> 01:17:43,470
There's so many.

2107
01:17:43,690 --> 01:17:45,810
We could sit here and we could spend

2108
01:17:45,810 --> 01:17:49,310
15 minutes and probably come up with 150

2109
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:50,170
of these.

2110
01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:50,990
Well, true crime.

2111
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:52,870
True crime is the winner.

2112
01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:54,250
Yeah, it's not video.

2113
01:17:54,250 --> 01:17:55,070
It's audio.

2114
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:55,810
It works.

2115
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:56,710
People love it.

2116
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:58,970
No agenda is not going to do video.

2117
01:17:59,590 --> 01:18:00,330
We're not going to do it.

2118
01:18:00,610 --> 01:18:01,570
We're not going to do it.

2119
01:18:01,570 --> 01:18:03,710
But Adam, how are people going to learn

2120
01:18:03,710 --> 01:18:04,230
from you?

2121
01:18:04,290 --> 01:18:05,390
How will these learners?

2122
01:18:06,190 --> 01:18:08,770
These visual learners won't get enough from us.

2123
01:18:09,150 --> 01:18:12,610
So that is that's what's going to happen

2124
01:18:12,610 --> 01:18:13,430
in 2025.

2125
01:18:14,050 --> 01:18:17,930
I had a interesting sort of like during

2126
01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:19,970
our off our two weeks of not doing

2127
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:21,710
of not doing the show like during the

2128
01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:22,070
holidays.

2129
01:18:22,290 --> 01:18:25,410
Yeah, I had a I mean, I mostly

2130
01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:28,310
was podcast free during that time.

2131
01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:29,290
Oh, wow.

2132
01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:31,430
And I mean, I listen I listen to

2133
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:33,210
a few things, you know, I listen to

2134
01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:35,410
I listen to no agenda and I listen

2135
01:18:35,410 --> 01:18:37,350
to maybe one other show.

2136
01:18:38,350 --> 01:18:40,110
And but most most of the time I

2137
01:18:40,110 --> 01:18:41,550
was podcast free, a lot of it had

2138
01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:42,570
to do with just fact that I was

2139
01:18:42,570 --> 01:18:43,090
just so busy.

2140
01:18:43,190 --> 01:18:47,250
But I found I found, as I have

2141
01:18:47,250 --> 01:18:50,730
in the past, that there are many shows.

2142
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:54,390
Where there's a schedule.

2143
01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:59,950
And the schedule dictates I'm going to do

2144
01:18:59,950 --> 01:19:02,850
this show every X number of days, weeks,

2145
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:03,250
whatever.

2146
01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:05,350
And a lot of times there's just not

2147
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:06,510
that much to talk about.

2148
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:11,350
You know, the some sometimes there's shows that

2149
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:15,430
are focused around like political news or a

2150
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:18,350
specific company like Apple News or something like

2151
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:18,610
that.

2152
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:21,550
And those tend to be a little more

2153
01:19:21,550 --> 01:19:22,770
resilient to this problem.

2154
01:19:23,010 --> 01:19:26,110
But some shows, it's just like, you know,

2155
01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:27,310
there's just not a whole lot to talk

2156
01:19:27,310 --> 01:19:27,550
about.

2157
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:28,590
But you're going to do a show, but

2158
01:19:28,590 --> 01:19:30,230
you're going to do a show anyway, because

2159
01:19:30,230 --> 01:19:31,470
you're you have to.

2160
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:34,130
And a lot of times you just like

2161
01:19:34,130 --> 01:19:37,210
it burns out the listener to that's the

2162
01:19:37,210 --> 01:19:39,290
way it feels like with guests, with these

2163
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:41,810
with these interview shows.

2164
01:19:42,150 --> 01:19:43,770
A lot of times these guests are just

2165
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:44,410
not interesting.

2166
01:19:44,650 --> 01:19:46,730
The topic's not interesting, but it's like, hey,

2167
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:47,810
it's a it's a Tuesday.

2168
01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:49,190
So we got to release a show.

2169
01:19:49,450 --> 01:19:52,350
And it's like, man, I just really I

2170
01:19:52,350 --> 01:19:53,750
am not going to sit through an hour

2171
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:56,770
and a half of listening to this person

2172
01:19:56,770 --> 01:19:59,130
that you just like ran trying to do

2173
01:19:59,130 --> 01:20:00,210
a book deal or whatever.

2174
01:20:00,670 --> 01:20:03,330
I don't know that you're right, that format.

2175
01:20:03,610 --> 01:20:05,570
And honestly, a lot of a lot of

2176
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:11,270
the non news based formats are are pretty

2177
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:14,450
they're just not long term compelling.

2178
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:17,770
No, you get burned out as a listener.

2179
01:20:17,950 --> 01:20:20,990
Like, it's like you start skipping episodes because

2180
01:20:20,990 --> 01:20:23,310
you're like, and you're like, I'm just I

2181
01:20:23,310 --> 01:20:24,330
can't handle this today.

2182
01:20:24,370 --> 01:20:26,210
It's already that way with just one with

2183
01:20:26,210 --> 01:20:26,630
Rogan.

2184
01:20:26,690 --> 01:20:27,990
It's like, I don't know about that person.

2185
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:29,170
I'm not going to listen to this episode.

2186
01:20:29,890 --> 01:20:33,250
Yeah, I skip I skip there's there's shows

2187
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:35,570
that I skip 10 episodes to listen to

2188
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:38,510
one, you know, exactly.

2189
01:20:39,190 --> 01:20:41,070
But my but my podcast app still auto

2190
01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:41,530
downloads.

2191
01:20:41,530 --> 01:20:43,330
So they get their money.

2192
01:20:43,770 --> 01:20:44,130
Yeah, yeah.

2193
01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:45,350
Add money's rolling.

2194
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:45,910
Very good.

2195
01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:50,590
Dave, let's thank some people before I need

2196
01:20:50,590 --> 01:20:51,810
to get you out of here because you're

2197
01:20:51,810 --> 01:20:54,150
still still not in the summer months.

2198
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:55,750
And I'm going to look at the live

2199
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:58,490
boost that came in while we're talking.

2200
01:20:58,770 --> 01:21:01,150
555 from Salty Crayon, who says, hey, second

2201
01:21:01,150 --> 01:21:04,430
exit strategy headphones, curry cans one.

2202
01:21:05,150 --> 01:21:06,550
Yeah, all right.

2203
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:08,850
We can't even get the curry mic one

2204
01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:09,910
up and rolling.

2205
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:11,270
I've got one.

2206
01:21:11,690 --> 01:21:12,110
That's right.

2207
01:21:12,190 --> 01:21:13,470
There are two in the wild, two in

2208
01:21:13,470 --> 01:21:13,790
the wild.

2209
01:21:14,890 --> 01:21:19,610
2222 Road Ducks from Anonymous and Anonymous on

2210
01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:21,910
Podver says cool animated background in the live

2211
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:22,410
stream artwork.

2212
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:23,650
Yes, we've had that for a while.

2213
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:26,730
Cole McCormick just boosted in with the Satchel

2214
01:21:26,730 --> 01:21:27,730
Richards 1111.

2215
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:29,490
I'm burned out with listening to Rogan, he

2216
01:21:29,490 --> 01:21:29,710
says.

2217
01:21:30,090 --> 01:21:32,010
I personally want more interviews on my podcast,

2218
01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:33,550
but I want the guests to be interesting

2219
01:21:33,550 --> 01:21:34,290
and not boring.

2220
01:21:34,730 --> 01:21:36,270
Solo episodes are still interesting.

2221
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:38,390
Yes, well, of course, it's always the content.

2222
01:21:39,150 --> 01:21:41,850
777 from Sam Sethi says strapping in to

2223
01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:44,050
test the split box paid in dollars from

2224
01:21:44,050 --> 01:21:45,930
true fans, but sent over lightning and sats

2225
01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:47,430
and still supporting splits.

2226
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:48,270
Beautiful.

2227
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:48,930
Strap it on.

2228
01:21:49,190 --> 01:21:49,650
Strap it on.

2229
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:51,570
100 sats from Lyceum.

2230
01:21:51,790 --> 01:21:52,630
Dave, what are you drinking?

2231
01:21:53,070 --> 01:21:55,410
Do you have micro breweries in your area?

2232
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:56,670
For sure.

2233
01:21:56,850 --> 01:21:57,130
Yes.

2234
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:59,630
He says, I'm a tea amateur lover of

2235
01:21:59,630 --> 01:22:00,690
things in French language.

2236
01:22:00,750 --> 01:22:02,290
Adam, you're a radio amateur, right?

2237
01:22:03,130 --> 01:22:06,430
It is called Radio Amateur in Swedish.

2238
01:22:06,610 --> 01:22:07,050
All the best.

2239
01:22:07,050 --> 01:22:09,330
Martin Lindeskog, Tea Party Media Podcast.

2240
01:22:09,530 --> 01:22:09,830
All right.

2241
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:11,870
Blueberry.

2242
01:22:12,050 --> 01:22:15,770
Whoa, blueberry boosting in big 33,420 sats.

2243
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:17,670
He says fast approaching January 12th.

2244
01:22:17,710 --> 01:22:18,190
What's happening?

2245
01:22:18,610 --> 01:22:21,930
The satellite skirmish Polar Embrace live after no

2246
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:23,370
agenda on January 12th.

2247
01:22:23,550 --> 01:22:25,850
We have both returning and familiar faces joining

2248
01:22:25,850 --> 01:22:26,330
this edition.

2249
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:28,150
What am I most excited for?

2250
01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:30,450
We have new boost alerts featuring the artwork

2251
01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:32,030
from the young Bolets.

2252
01:22:32,690 --> 01:22:34,570
I've never put children into a value split,

2253
01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:35,910
but I'm thrilled to do it now.

2254
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:37,350
Nothing like child labor.

2255
01:22:38,210 --> 01:22:40,610
Check it out at LiveIsLit.com.

2256
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:41,890
All right.

2257
01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:44,010
Glad you like the sign.

2258
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:45,170
He says, just need to get it to

2259
01:22:45,170 --> 01:22:47,050
flash on a pod ping update.

2260
01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:47,890
Oh, there you go.

2261
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:51,410
EricPP333 with a test.

2262
01:22:52,090 --> 01:22:53,170
He did something with a test.

2263
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:54,550
I don't know if anything came through.

2264
01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:55,710
Well, test received.

2265
01:22:57,330 --> 01:22:58,150
Let me see.

2266
01:22:58,290 --> 01:22:59,950
Then we have, oh, I hit the delimiter.

2267
01:23:00,290 --> 01:23:01,850
Wait, I just started a new one come

2268
01:23:01,850 --> 01:23:02,090
in.

2269
01:23:02,710 --> 01:23:04,390
EricPP with 3333.

2270
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:06,990
And, uh, that must be another test.

2271
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:07,970
He's testing something.

2272
01:23:08,050 --> 01:23:08,450
They're testing.

2273
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:09,970
What are they building in there?

2274
01:23:10,030 --> 01:23:11,490
And they're testing on something.

2275
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:13,490
You're up.

2276
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:15,090
Me too, Alex.

2277
01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:17,750
I've actually turned off auto.

2278
01:23:17,770 --> 01:23:19,630
I had a problem with my Castamatic.

2279
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:22,370
The new update on test flight.

2280
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:26,230
It started freaking out and like, um, locking

2281
01:23:26,230 --> 01:23:27,290
my phone up and stuff.

2282
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:29,350
I haven't talked to Franco about it, but

2283
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:31,950
it was, man, it was really causing a

2284
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:32,550
lot of problems.

2285
01:23:32,710 --> 01:23:33,750
Oh, I hate it when that happens.

2286
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:36,970
Yeah, I did a fresh install and went

2287
01:23:36,970 --> 01:23:39,470
back to the app store, uh, release.

2288
01:23:39,490 --> 01:23:41,070
And when I did that, it came back.

2289
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:45,330
Like it's sort of like, like reset itself.

2290
01:23:45,370 --> 01:23:46,670
And so I had a lot of, uh,

2291
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:48,490
my son, a lot of my settings, like

2292
01:23:48,490 --> 01:23:51,270
my auto download was kind of turned off

2293
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:52,970
app wide.

2294
01:23:53,150 --> 01:23:55,350
And I kind of, I was like, I

2295
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:55,610
don't know.

2296
01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:56,550
I kind of enjoy this.

2297
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:58,210
I never have it on.

2298
01:23:58,270 --> 01:24:00,170
I never have it on the only, I

2299
01:24:00,170 --> 01:24:02,330
mean, I use podcast guru mainly.

2300
01:24:02,330 --> 01:24:03,830
So when we got on the plane to

2301
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:06,350
fly to Italy, I just, you know, downloaded

2302
01:24:06,350 --> 01:24:07,730
the podcast and wanted to listen to it

2303
01:24:07,730 --> 01:24:08,150
on the plane.

2304
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:08,770
Worked great.

2305
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:11,390
I never, I always just hit it and

2306
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:11,630
go.

2307
01:24:11,770 --> 01:24:14,150
I never have stuff auto download ever.

2308
01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:14,750
Yeah.

2309
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:16,250
I think I'm going to live the non

2310
01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:17,410
-auto downloading lifestyle.

2311
01:24:17,610 --> 01:24:18,450
Works fine for me.

2312
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:22,070
Uh, we got, uh, I talked to Tom

2313
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:24,470
Rossi this morning about some stuff.

2314
01:24:24,670 --> 01:24:26,430
He was helping him pull some stats and

2315
01:24:26,430 --> 01:24:27,310
stuff from the index.

2316
01:24:27,310 --> 01:24:31,370
And speaking of, uh, Tom Rossi, Buzzsprout just

2317
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:32,370
sent us a thousand dollars.

2318
01:24:37,190 --> 01:24:38,150
Thank you.

2319
01:24:38,270 --> 01:24:38,750
Buzzsprout.

2320
01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:39,270
Thank you.

2321
01:24:39,410 --> 01:24:40,710
Thank you for keeping us rolling.

2322
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:41,530
Nice.

2323
01:24:41,670 --> 01:24:42,370
Paying the bills.

2324
01:24:44,430 --> 01:24:45,710
Thank you guys.

2325
01:24:45,970 --> 01:24:48,190
And let's see, we got, we also have,

2326
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:50,430
Oh, who is this?

2327
01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:53,330
Chow Chow taxing $20.

2328
01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:56,330
He says, thank you from Playdeo cast.

2329
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:57,910
Playdeo cast.

2330
01:25:00,130 --> 01:25:00,570
Playdeo.

2331
01:25:00,570 --> 01:25:01,210
I don't know this.

2332
01:25:01,290 --> 01:25:02,870
I don't know this platform or app or

2333
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:03,330
whatever it is.

2334
01:25:03,330 --> 01:25:04,970
I'm looking up Playdeo cast.

2335
01:25:05,370 --> 01:25:07,410
P L a P L a Y D

2336
01:25:07,410 --> 01:25:08,650
O cast.

2337
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:09,570
C A S T.

2338
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:11,390
Playdeo cast.

2339
01:25:13,730 --> 01:25:17,170
Castamatic going to settings service and rebuild library.

2340
01:25:17,370 --> 01:25:18,730
Ooh, I wish I'd have known that.

2341
01:25:18,730 --> 01:25:19,130
Okay.

2342
01:25:19,770 --> 01:25:20,930
Thank you, Dreb.

2343
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:22,610
Thank you, Dreb.

2344
01:25:22,630 --> 01:25:24,170
I'll do that next time.

2345
01:25:24,170 --> 01:25:25,650
Uh, let's see.

2346
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:26,850
Sean McCune.

2347
01:25:27,090 --> 01:25:29,150
He's a new monthly subscriber at $20 a

2348
01:25:29,150 --> 01:25:29,330
month.

2349
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:29,990
Thank you, Sean.

2350
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:30,810
Appreciate you, brother.

2351
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:38,660
I love the crumple effects today, Dave.

2352
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:39,780
They're extra special.

2353
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:40,800
Extended.

2354
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,220
This is extended edition.

2355
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:46,940
So we got booster grams.

2356
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:47,780
All right.

2357
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,020
Uh, these, these, these go way back.

2358
01:25:51,220 --> 01:25:51,780
Yes.

2359
01:25:52,420 --> 01:25:54,160
To December 13th.

2360
01:25:54,180 --> 01:25:54,480
Whoa.

2361
01:25:55,220 --> 01:25:55,780
Yeah.

2362
01:25:55,780 --> 01:25:57,080
Cause we, cause of the week.

2363
01:25:57,540 --> 01:25:58,640
We took some time off.

2364
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,060
Uh, Columbus or Libre 22, 22 road ducks.

2365
01:26:02,620 --> 01:26:05,640
Fro see that was through the podcast index.

2366
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,560
He says great meeting.

2367
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:07,040
As always.

2368
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,720
I'm glad things seem to be settling down.

2369
01:26:09,020 --> 01:26:10,540
We've got the best devs in the universe.

2370
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,100
There's nothing they can't accomplish.

2371
01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:13,680
This boost boost boost.

2372
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:14,260
So true.

2373
01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:16,860
Uh, we have through fountain.

2374
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:19,400
This is, this is my favorite guy.

2375
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,800
It's user three, six, two, one, nine, seven,

2376
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:22,020
seven.

2377
01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:22,780
So that guy.

2378
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:23,240
Yes.

2379
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:23,740
Yeah.

2380
01:26:23,860 --> 01:26:24,040
Yeah.

2381
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:24,620
I love that guy.

2382
01:26:24,620 --> 01:26:28,120
19,000 sats from user three, two, six,

2383
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:28,740
19, seven.

2384
01:26:28,780 --> 01:26:29,360
Thank you.

2385
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,540
He says, uh, Merry Christmas boardroom.

2386
01:26:31,980 --> 01:26:32,700
Thank you very much.

2387
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:33,700
Well, Merry Christmas to you.

2388
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,080
Boost pod two.

2389
01:26:37,220 --> 01:26:38,020
This is going to be Russell.

2390
01:26:38,540 --> 01:26:41,040
Uh, from down under he's the 33, 33

2391
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:41,980
through fountain.

2392
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,100
He says decentralization thrives on diversity and innovation.

2393
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:47,460
No idea is better than another until it's

2394
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:50,700
proven supporting new ideas and multiple systems ensures

2395
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:51,640
we grow stronger together.

2396
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,960
Instead of dismissing, let's build, collaborate and foster

2397
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,740
a culture where creativity leads the way rocket.

2398
01:26:57,180 --> 01:26:57,620
Yep.

2399
01:26:57,660 --> 01:26:58,080
I agree.

2400
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:01,080
So Brown of London, 1948, he says, I'm

2401
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:01,560
still here.

2402
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,020
We know.

2403
01:27:03,380 --> 01:27:04,740
And we love you for being there.

2404
01:27:04,860 --> 01:27:05,540
We love you.

2405
01:27:06,420 --> 01:27:08,280
Uh, see us on Linux.

2406
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,140
He's a central to Richard's one, one, one,

2407
01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:10,380
one.

2408
01:27:10,460 --> 01:27:11,120
He's through fountain.

2409
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:13,500
He says, uh, rename podcasting 2.0 to

2410
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:15,280
podcasting plus plus.

2411
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:17,840
Okay.

2412
01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:20,020
It's the object oriented version.

2413
01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:26,080
Podcasting, sharp, sharp, Stephen B that's brother.

2414
01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:26,720
There you go.

2415
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,520
Through the curio caster.

2416
01:27:28,660 --> 01:27:30,920
It's 2020, 2024 sets.

2417
01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:31,420
I like it.

2418
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:32,480
I get that one.

2419
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,300
He says, happy new year's December 31st, 2024.

2420
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,580
The first booster gram using the split box

2421
01:27:37,580 --> 01:27:39,540
was sent from curio Kester to podcasting to

2422
01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:41,340
marking his territory.

2423
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:42,240
Very nice.

2424
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:42,760
Nice.

2425
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:44,500
Nicely done.

2426
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,000
Uh, Nicholas B 58, 10,000 sets through

2427
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:49,300
fountain.

2428
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:50,000
Thank you.

2429
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:53,000
This episode made me so bullish for the

2430
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future of podcasting 2.0. Thank you guys

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for your work.

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01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,200
Also, I'm planning to do my first live

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01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:58,700
podcast.

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What should I know before doing it?

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Cheers from Switzerland.

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01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,600
As the professional in the room, what should

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01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:06,140
he know?

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,280
Remember to set your live item properly and

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send it out.

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01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:13,340
And also hit record.

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01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:13,700
Yeah.

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01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:14,360
And hit record.

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01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:14,680
Yes.

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01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,780
That's always a good hit record.

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01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:17,860
There you go.

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There's your advice.

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01:28:19,660 --> 01:28:20,820
Uh, let's see.

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01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,080
Am I in the right?

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01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:22,880
I got to make sure.

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01:28:23,020 --> 01:28:23,240
Yes.

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01:28:23,380 --> 01:28:23,600
Yes.

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Delimiter, comic strip blogger, 15,510 sets through

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fountain.

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01:28:29,700 --> 01:28:32,200
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

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01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,640
Today, I'd like to recommend a podcast called

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01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,220
Satoshi's plebs.

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01:28:36,420 --> 01:28:39,940
They can be found also at URL Satoshi's

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01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:41,700
dash plebs.com.

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01:28:42,220 --> 01:28:46,100
This podcast covers Bitcoin topics like Bitcoin investment

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01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:46,540
timing.

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01:28:46,540 --> 01:28:48,480
They address the common concern.

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,880
Am I too late to invest in Bitcoin?

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01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:54,620
Dollar cost averaging a strategy for mitigating market

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01:28:54,620 --> 01:28:57,820
volatility and making consistent investments over time.

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01:28:57,940 --> 01:29:00,540
And it also covers Bitcoin's future outlook.

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01:29:00,980 --> 01:29:02,160
Yo, CSB.

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01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:03,360
Yo, CSB.

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01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:04,340
Thank you so much.

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01:29:04,940 --> 01:29:06,700
That was a straight CSB read.

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01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,840
He's very professional.

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01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,080
Very extremely.

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01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:11,960
Monthlies.

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We got Randall Black, $5.

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01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:16,300
Thank you, Randall.

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01:29:16,540 --> 01:29:19,000
Podpage, that's Brendan and the girls and boys

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01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,040
at Podpage, $25.

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01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,960
Martin Graham, $1.

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01:29:22,540 --> 01:29:23,120
That's Martin.

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01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:23,860
Let's see.

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01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,320
Kevin Bay, $5.

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01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:27,740
Cameron Rose, $25.

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01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:28,460
Thank you, Cameron.

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01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:33,160
Chad Pharoah, Chad F, $20.22. Brother Dreb

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01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:34,160
Scott, $15.

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01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,080
Thank you, Dreb.

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01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,340
Chris Bernardik, $5.

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01:29:37,940 --> 01:29:42,200
Michael Kimmerer, $5.33. Jordan Dunville, $10.

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01:29:42,820 --> 01:29:43,960
Cohen Glotzbach, $5.

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01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,160
Christopher Reimer, $10.

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01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:47,700
James Sullivan, $10.

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01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:49,840
Charles Currant, $5.

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01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:52,040
Jorge Hernandez, $5.

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01:29:52,340 --> 01:29:54,940
Michael Goggins, Michael Goggin, $5.

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01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:56,840
Satan's Lawyer, $5.

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01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,280
Pedro Goncalves, $5.

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01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,160
Osteen Barra, $5.

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01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:03,860
Timothy Voice, $10.

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01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:07,540
Michael Hall, $5.50. Gene Liverman, $5.

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01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:09,460
New Media Productions.

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01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:10,720
That's Rob and Todd, $30.

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01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:12,860
And Jeremy Gerds, $5.

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01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:13,960
Beautiful.

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01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,680
Thank you all so much for sending us

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01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,380
value back for the work that we do,

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01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:20,240
not just in the boardroom, but really to

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01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,260
keep the engine room running on Podcast Index

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01:30:23,260 --> 01:30:25,440
and all things associated with it.

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01:30:25,500 --> 01:30:26,580
We're highly appreciative of that.

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01:30:26,660 --> 01:30:28,540
Go to podcastindex.org down below.

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01:30:28,980 --> 01:30:30,280
You'll see a red Donate button.

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01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,800
You can click that to send your fiat

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01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,260
fund coupons through PayPal.

2513
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,340
Or, of course, we accept any boost or

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01:30:35,340 --> 01:30:38,520
boostagram by boostinging the Podcasting 2.0 podcast.

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01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:40,140
Yee-haw.

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01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:43,460
Osteen Barra has got a show right after

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01:30:43,460 --> 01:30:43,820
this one.

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01:30:43,820 --> 01:30:43,940
Yes.

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01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,240
Yeah, somehow his stuff always pops up in

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01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:48,780
the Podcasting 2.0 boardroom.

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01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,540
So you can just stay in the boardroom

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01:30:51,540 --> 01:30:53,800
and all of his tracks and everything shows

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01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:54,220
up there.

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01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:54,960
So it's beautiful.

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01:30:55,660 --> 01:30:57,300
Tell me how bad it was during the

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01:30:57,300 --> 01:30:57,480
show.

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01:30:57,580 --> 01:30:58,980
How bad was the bumping?

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01:31:00,220 --> 01:31:02,320
Oh, maybe three times.

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01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:03,180
Not bad at all.

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01:31:03,980 --> 01:31:05,480
Okay, I was riding the mute button.

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01:31:06,140 --> 01:31:07,900
No, it sounds good.

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01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:09,920
And I'm very happy to have you on

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01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:10,760
a Curry 1.

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01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:12,020
Curry 1.

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01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:12,740
I love it.

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01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:13,320
I love it.

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01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:14,620
I'm going to dip it in gold.

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01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:15,560
Curry 1.

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01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:18,820
It's hot.

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01:31:19,060 --> 01:31:19,900
Yeah, it's hot, baby.

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01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:20,200
It's hot.

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01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:20,920
All right, boardroom.

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01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,440
Thank you very much for joining us today.

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01:31:22,540 --> 01:31:25,060
We will be back next week on Friday

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01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:27,620
with another board meeting of Podcasting 2.0.

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01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,180
Dave, have yourself a great weekend, brother.

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01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:30,400
You too, man.

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01:31:30,540 --> 01:31:31,080
See everybody.

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01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:51,190
You have been listening to Podcasting 2.0.

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01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:55,050
Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2551
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:56,850
Go podcasting.

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01:31:56,930 --> 01:31:57,550
Cool.

2553
01:31:57,810 --> 01:32:00,270
I hope 2025 is everything you wanted it

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01:32:00,270 --> 01:32:00,930
to be.