Episode 206: Substance Dualist

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Podcasting 2.0 for January 10th, 2025, episode

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206, Substance Duelist.

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Hello, everybody.

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It's nice and cold here in Texas.

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You are welcome in the boardroom, the official

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We discuss all things podcasting, past, present, and

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future.

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And of course, we are the only boardroom

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that doesn't chase the algos or run uninterruptible

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advertising.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country in Alabama, the man

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who has not one, not two, but three

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secret projects with me.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the inimitable Dave Jones.

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What does that word mean?

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Inimitable?

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Yeah, I don't know what that means.

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I don't know.

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It sounded good though.

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I thought I'd just throw it out there.

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Is it a real word or do you

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make it up?

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I think it's a real word.

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I think it's you can't be imitated.

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Unimitable, I believe.

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Inimitable?

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No, unimitable.

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Maybe it's not a word.

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Maybe I made it up.

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Unimitable.

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Unimitable.

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No, it's inimitable.

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Are you looking it up?

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Are you looking this word up?

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Yeah, I'm on the dictionary.

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Inimitable, so good or unusual as to be

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impossible to copy.

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Unimitable.

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It's a word.

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I looked up unimitable.

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No, unimitable with an M.

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Unimitable is, unimitable is, come on Webster dictionary.

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Hmm.

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It says.

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Oh, it's an alteration.

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It's an alteration of imitable.

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Okay.

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It's the redheaded stepchild of inimitable.

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Unimitable.

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Well, you can't be copied.

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How about that?

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That didn't flow as well as unimitable.

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I like saying these things.

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I just didn't.

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The man who can't be copied.

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I didn't know if it was good or

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bad, if I should be offended.

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It's good.

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No, it's good.

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It's good.

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It's all good.

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It's all good, man.

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It's all good.

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How you doing, brother?

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I'm good.

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It's a winter wonderland here in Birmingham.

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What's your temp out there?

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What you got?

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Well, it's 35, but it is a blanket

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of snow everywhere you can see.

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Oh, you have snow.

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We don't have any snow.

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We have zero snow.

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We didn't even get ice, but it is

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a, it's like it was 34, I think

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this morning.

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So it was cold.

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It got down to about 30 last night

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and it started snowing and like freezing rain

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around, uh, around two in the morning.

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And then it just kept on going until

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about six this morning.

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We've got about an inch and a half

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on our, in our backyard.

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That's not all of it.

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Yeah, it's beautiful.

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Have you gone out and made snow angels?

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I did not make snow angels, but I

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did go out and try to, uh, coax

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the chickens out of the coop.

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And they were like, no chickens.

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Like, no, I don't think so.

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They looked around and they were like, and

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they just stood there and stared.

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And then I put them back in.

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They're like, nope, stupid chickens.

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Chickens are dumb.

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They're dumb.

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They're actually, that's pretty smart though, because if

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you go out on a white background, you're,

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you're just begging for a hawk to snatch

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you out of there.

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We're like, no, that's stupid.

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I love it when they fly up into

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a tree.

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I'm always amazed.

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What are you doing up there?

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How'd you get there?

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What's going on?

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Sometimes they just launch like two feet off

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the ground to about hip level for no

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apparent reason.

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It's just like, just because I can do

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this.

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I'm going to do it right now.

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Yeah.

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And they don't even know, they don't even

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know why they did it.

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Yeah.

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The curry, the curry one sounds good.

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I've got many compliments on it.

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Yeah.

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You sound really good on that mic.

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Oh, thanks.

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I wonder what the difference is between this

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and the RE320.

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It's all in the capsule.

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It's all in the cap.

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The housing almost doesn't matter in my opinion.

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Uh, as you can tell, this is much,

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much smaller than the RE320.

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Which is appreciated by the way, because the

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RE320 is a monster.

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It's always shows up at TSA is a

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huge bomb.

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A bomb or the vibrator.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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These days, when we came back from Holland,

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um, we had to go through their version

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of TSA and you know, I've found that

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if I just, you know, cause my bags

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often get, you know, secondary screening because, you

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know, cause I've, I've got two bags.

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I got one bag, which is a shoulder

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bag.

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It's actually a camera bag and I have

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headphones and, um, I used to have the

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RE320 in that one, but now the curry

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one, I just pop it into my roller

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bag, which is a very small roller bag,

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but it has the whole studio in it.

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And, um, and you know, so I'm always

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talking these guys up, Hey, how are you

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doing?

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You know, just kind of make them feel

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better.

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And sometimes they look at me like, why

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is he doing that?

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Does he have something explosive in here?

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Um, and the guy, he looked at the

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image.

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He says, you got a podcast rig in

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here.

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Oh, he nailed it.

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Yeah.

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I was like, wow.

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Oh yeah.

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He's an experienced guy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he's like, is that an RE320?

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Is that the curry one?

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I've heard so much about it.

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The curry one.

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Wow.

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I can recognize it by the capsule.

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So what color would you want this to

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be?

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Because we're, we're looking at different colors.

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Dvorak wants a yellow top that you talk

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into and I'm against that.

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Um, you know, this is going to be,

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this is going to be so far out

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of my normal thing.

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I don't think I've ever said that I

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would want something to be white, but white

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would look kind of cool.

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Really?

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A white top with the whole thing white

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or just the whole thing?

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Like that mic that Glenn Beck has.

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Oh, interesting.

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I don't know why.

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I think it's probably just because everything like

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black is just the, has been the trend

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for so long now with stuff.

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Everything electronic is going like black cabling, black

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housing.

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The white just sort of pops and stands

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out.

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Interesting.

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Alex Gates in the, in the boardroom says

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Dave sounds good, but I miss his old

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sound.

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What was it about the old sound that

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you, that you liked?

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I can put my, uh, I can put

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my toboggan over the mic and make it

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all muddy like the old sound.

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I wonder, I wonder what it is that

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he misses.

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That's interesting.

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I listened back to it and I think

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like everybody was saying it was brighter.

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I think it has more low end and

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his sounds brighter.

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What do you think?

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What did you think?

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I think it was clearer.

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It was less, um, you, it was more

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articulate.

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Like you could hear my, I think you

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could hear my mouth more.

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Whereas before you only heard sort of the

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words, maybe it may, I wonder if it's,

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I wonder if it has to do with

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the internal pop filtering, because this clearly has

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less internal pop filters.

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Yeah, it does.

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And you know, remember the re three 20,

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that's basically a kick drum mic.

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You know, that's what it was built for.

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So that's why it has all that pop

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filtering built in and this is engineered to

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be what we're using it for.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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That is right.

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It was a kick drum mic.

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This one, I have to go sort of

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off axis because if I don't, it'll pop

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pretty hard.

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It may not come through to you, but

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I hear it.

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Yeah, it's there, but I, I've never, you

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know, I don't worry about these things.

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You don't know.

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I don't, I've got all kinds of pops

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and clicks and all kinds of stuff.

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I don't care.

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I just wanted to, you know, I, I

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monitor everything I do on in ear buds.

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That's what says the old sign was better

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too.

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Chimp doesn't know what he's talking about.

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That just good.

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That just shows you the difficulty of getting,

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you know, like sound or whatever.

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Uh, so Alex says he, he misses the,

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he says there was more base.

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Really?

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I don't think so.

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Base that you had, that you had more

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base.

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I turned off the master compeller.

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I wonder if that, that doesn't make any

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difference.

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I don't think that makes any difference.

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Cause you, you mix me down on your

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side.

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Yeah.

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Let me see.

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I mean, I can put a little low

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end in on, Oh, you, Oh, you'll base

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me up.

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I'm basing you up, baby.

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Let me see.

291
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Give me a little more bottom.

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I'm giving you a bigger bottom.

293
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There you go.

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Big bottom, big bottom.

295
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He's got a big bottom, everybody.

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There you go.

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Okay.

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A little more bottom, a little more, a

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little more queen, just a tad, just a

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tad.

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So, uh, the news, uh, proves that the

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future is hyper-local.

303
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There's no doubt about it.

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Talking about what Sam posted.

305
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Yeah.

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The global introducing a new nations strategy, dropping

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local and regional shows in England.

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This is, this is how, what an opportunity

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this is.

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It's such an opportunity to, to do local

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stuff.

312
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I mean, I have hellofred.fm and it's,

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it's taken off.

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People are digging it.

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The, um, same thing that happened to the

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same things happened into local radio.

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Finally that happened to a local newspapers.

318
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And well, go ahead.

321
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I was just gonna say websites, like websites

322
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and blogs, uh, that these local newspapers started,

323
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uh, to get in on the web, uh,

324
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on the internet explosion, those, the websites made

325
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the paper in your mailbox seem unnecessary.

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And then, and then there was this upward

327
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consolidation that happened, um, as the ad revenue

328
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margins went down because like you've said Facebook

329
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before a Facebook, yeah.

330
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Infinite inventory.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Yeah.

333
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So, so that you just had to go,

334
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you had, it had to go upstream and

335
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like sort of up the triangle to the,

336
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to the top.

337
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And the same things happening to radio now,

338
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cause you have, um, you know, CarPlay, Android

339
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auto and basically, basically mobile in the car

340
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is making the car stereo seem unnecessary.

341
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And now we see the scene, we see

342
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radio consolidating upwards, you know, until it's going

343
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to hit that last layer, which is the

344
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national sort of parent.

345
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And that's where the advertisers are going to

346
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do all their buying because that's, that's all

347
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they, because that's the last locus of control

348
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for some sort of ad inventory limit.

349
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Yeah.

350
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You know?

351
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Yeah.

352
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It's, um, it's interesting because what I understand

353
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cause you know, global also has, uh, they,

354
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they have the podcast, uh, division and the

355
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podcast division seems to be doing well.

356
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I think they have, uh, what's the, uh,

357
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the news agents, which I like a lot.

358
00:11:01,510 --> 00:11:03,010
I think news agents is a good news

359
00:11:03,010 --> 00:11:03,330
show.

360
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Yeah.

361
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They do have that.

362
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Don't they?

363
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I was thinking that was a cast, but

364
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I think you're right.

365
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It isn't.

366
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Yeah.

367
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And they bought, uh, captivate, I believe.

368
00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:13,810
So, but this, this is exactly the same

369
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thing that happened to I heart.

370
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It's going to happen to serious.

371
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It's going to happen to all these companies

372
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and, you know, and, and now, especially with

373
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tune in crapping the bed, um, which is

374
00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:27,910
in my car has a, has a tune

375
00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:30,270
in app, which is, which is nice.

376
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I, I, I find that a very nice

377
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experience, but I don't really need it.

378
00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:37,990
You know, as far as I can tell,

379
00:11:38,390 --> 00:11:41,410
car, car manufacturers have pretty much given up

380
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on creating an awesome entertainment system because people

381
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just bring their own.

382
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It's customized the way they want.

383
00:11:46,990 --> 00:11:48,170
It's what they use when they're out of

384
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the car.

385
00:11:49,130 --> 00:11:50,670
Why would you use anything else?

386
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Just make, just make the in-car experience,

387
00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:55,610
you know, flow through CarPlay or Android auto.

388
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And I think there's room there for something

389
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else too.

390
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I don't,

391
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I think we may have mentioned this in

392
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the past, but we, there was a company

393
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that like within the first six months of

394
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the index existing, a company contacted us.

395
00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:24,730
I remember this and they did in-car

396
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entertainment systems, um, for, um, for Mercedes BMW,

397
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I think they would high-end stuff.

398
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Yeah.

399
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And they just went away.

400
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Yeah.

401
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They, we, I did, I honestly, I did

402
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tons of work.

403
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I know, I know I side to, to

404
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get the index to work for them in

405
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a way that would basically the index was

406
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going to power podcasting in their car entertainment

407
00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:53,410
systems, power, power, power.

408
00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:54,150
Yep.

409
00:12:54,330 --> 00:12:57,830
And they just, they kept linger sort of

410
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lingering around.

411
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They would pop up every couple of months

412
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and ask another question.

413
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And then at some point after about a

414
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year, they just vanished.

415
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And I guess they just gave up and

416
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said, well, we'll just do Android auto.

417
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:12,010
I think so.

418
00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:14,050
And, um, and the same with tune in

419
00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:15,610
and we talked to the C wasn't that

420
00:13:15,610 --> 00:13:17,970
the CEO was the new CEO of tune

421
00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:19,470
in at the time.

422
00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:21,570
Not, not whoever's running it now.

423
00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:23,010
It was so he was up in the

424
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C-suite.

425
00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:26,090
I think he was, he was maybe COO

426
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or that guy had come from a radio

427
00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:34,030
public radio Republic.

428
00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:35,510
I can't remember now.

429
00:13:35,710 --> 00:13:38,250
He had come from some, from some startup

430
00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:40,530
that got bought and he got it.

431
00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:42,950
And then he went over to tune in

432
00:13:42,950 --> 00:13:45,430
and was heading their podcast strategy.

433
00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:48,210
And he lasted like six months and bailed.

434
00:13:48,350 --> 00:13:48,450
Yeah.

435
00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:50,990
Well, he didn't understand the whole concept.

436
00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:52,350
He's like, well, you know, first of all,

437
00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:55,750
we had to get business insurance, which we

438
00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:56,170
did.

439
00:13:57,810 --> 00:14:00,370
Um, and then he was like, well, you

440
00:14:00,370 --> 00:14:02,470
know, how do we know we have permission

441
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:03,810
from all these podcasts?

442
00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:04,930
Like, ah, really?

443
00:14:04,990 --> 00:14:06,270
We're going to go down that road with

444
00:14:06,270 --> 00:14:06,470
you.

445
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:07,530
Uh-huh.

446
00:14:07,850 --> 00:14:09,590
And I finally just told him, you know,

447
00:14:09,610 --> 00:14:12,670
like, Hey, dude, just, just download the index

448
00:14:12,670 --> 00:14:13,950
off our website.

449
00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:16,790
We're not doing any more terms of service.

450
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:17,850
We're not doing this.

451
00:14:18,250 --> 00:14:20,930
Like, Oh, they wanted to hold terms of

452
00:14:20,930 --> 00:14:21,270
service.

453
00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:21,690
You're right.

454
00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:22,670
I forgot about that.

455
00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:22,890
Yeah.

456
00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:25,850
They wanted us to add specific indemnifications for

457
00:14:25,850 --> 00:14:26,110
them.

458
00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:27,590
I'm like, nah, man, I'm not doing this.

459
00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:29,230
Stop.

460
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:31,770
You can just like, I don't care.

461
00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:34,270
Like you, the more, if you use this,

462
00:14:34,270 --> 00:14:37,010
it's just going to make our, you're not

463
00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:38,070
going to pay us anything.

464
00:14:38,290 --> 00:14:39,890
So if you, you, if you use our

465
00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:41,890
directory, all it's going to do is increase

466
00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:43,610
our costs and we get nothing.

467
00:14:43,930 --> 00:14:45,450
So I don't really care.

468
00:14:45,950 --> 00:14:46,350
Exactly.

469
00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:47,150
Exactly.

470
00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:50,110
Uh, like it was, it's like, so just

471
00:14:50,110 --> 00:14:51,690
either use it or don't at some point.

472
00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:54,490
And then, and then like, he, I don't

473
00:14:54,490 --> 00:14:58,010
remember his name, uh, but he gave an

474
00:14:58,010 --> 00:15:00,330
air of being frustrated the entire time we

475
00:15:00,330 --> 00:15:00,970
talked to him.

476
00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:01,250
Yeah, he did.

477
00:15:01,450 --> 00:15:01,770
He did.

478
00:15:02,650 --> 00:15:04,170
Like he was having to go through five

479
00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:06,110
layers of bureaucracy every time he, you know,

480
00:15:06,170 --> 00:15:09,030
opened his laptop, all this to say that.

481
00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:13,010
Um, so I've, I've been running hellofred.fm

482
00:15:13,010 --> 00:15:14,270
for gosh, what is it now?

483
00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,250
Three, four months now?

484
00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:17,950
Uh, I think so.

485
00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:18,650
Yeah.

486
00:15:18,810 --> 00:15:19,130
Yeah.

487
00:15:19,150 --> 00:15:19,810
It's been a while.

488
00:15:20,330 --> 00:15:23,710
And you know, the, the concept is so

489
00:15:23,710 --> 00:15:24,210
simple.

490
00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:27,210
Like you have a local, a local station.

491
00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:29,470
Now in this case, I play a Christian

492
00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:32,630
contemporary Christian music and I pay ASCAP BMI

493
00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:33,110
for it.

494
00:15:33,270 --> 00:15:34,870
That's the only thing you can do is

495
00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:35,590
live streaming.

496
00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:37,570
You can actually buy a license for that.

497
00:15:38,430 --> 00:15:43,490
And it goes by listening hours, which if

498
00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:45,550
it, if I had 10,000 people listening,

499
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:46,630
it would be very expensive.

500
00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:48,870
Uh, but it goes, what is it now?

501
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:50,050
How much is it now?

502
00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:54,190
It's so you do it through live three

503
00:15:54,190 --> 00:15:58,010
65 and you know, so you buy basically

504
00:15:58,010 --> 00:16:03,470
live three 65 has a standard package and

505
00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:05,870
it has a simple scheduling system.

506
00:16:06,030 --> 00:16:09,030
It does some cross fading between songs and

507
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:11,790
you can tag things as a station ID

508
00:16:11,790 --> 00:16:16,670
or, um, I think really station ID and

509
00:16:16,670 --> 00:16:17,710
maybe some promos.

510
00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:19,010
You can't, you can't set up your own

511
00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:21,750
categories and, and it does, it does a

512
00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:23,630
decent play out, but when you have a

513
00:16:23,630 --> 00:16:26,350
really long outro, you know, nothing pops in

514
00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:26,650
quick.

515
00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:28,070
So it's, it's just not, it's not that

516
00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:28,450
great.

517
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:31,950
And then if you want to play licensed

518
00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,710
music, then you have to buy the license.

519
00:16:34,810 --> 00:16:37,350
And I think it's, you get 1500 listening

520
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:39,690
hours for $65 a month.

521
00:16:39,690 --> 00:16:42,530
And that, that goes, they, they take care

522
00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:43,030
of all that.

523
00:16:43,070 --> 00:16:46,830
And it's ASCAP, BMI, PRI, uh, I think

524
00:16:46,830 --> 00:16:48,030
Buma Stemra in the Netherlands.

525
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:49,650
They have a number of, a lot of

526
00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:51,730
countries that would be in it.

527
00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:53,650
It's all kind of built into one, but

528
00:16:53,650 --> 00:16:55,470
then, you know, the next package is so,

529
00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:58,990
and I actually went over the 1500 and

530
00:16:58,990 --> 00:17:02,590
then, oh, but if you, if you allow

531
00:17:02,590 --> 00:17:04,630
them to insert ads, then it's like 35

532
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:05,089
bucks.

533
00:17:06,430 --> 00:17:06,530
Okay.

534
00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:08,329
So what, what is it?

535
00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:09,410
What was it initially?

536
00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:10,329
Did you say like 75?

537
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,329
I think it's 75 without ads.

538
00:17:13,410 --> 00:17:13,609
Yeah.

539
00:17:13,869 --> 00:17:15,890
And now, and now I'm up to 130

540
00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:18,810
because I needed 3,500 listening hours.

541
00:17:19,630 --> 00:17:21,930
But are the list, are they quote listening

542
00:17:21,930 --> 00:17:22,329
hours?

543
00:17:22,550 --> 00:17:26,349
Are they just as unverifiable as like podcast

544
00:17:26,349 --> 00:17:26,790
downloads?

545
00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:30,030
No, because you know, they, they, they see

546
00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:30,890
the streams, right?

547
00:17:30,890 --> 00:17:32,430
So they count the streams and how many

548
00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:33,850
minutes the stream has been running.

549
00:17:34,170 --> 00:17:38,190
And in theory, they're taking my metadata and

550
00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:40,270
attributing that on the back end with some

551
00:17:40,270 --> 00:17:41,310
logging in theory.

552
00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:42,510
I don't know if they really are.

553
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:45,490
Uh, I don't think ASCAP, BMI cares either.

554
00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:47,230
They just want the money and they'll just

555
00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:47,670
divvy it.

556
00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:49,210
They give it to Taylor Swift anyway.

557
00:17:52,030 --> 00:17:53,210
It's the way I see it.

558
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:54,270
It's Taylor cash.

559
00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:54,610
Yeah.

560
00:17:55,290 --> 00:17:58,030
Um, and, uh, but anyway, the point is

561
00:17:58,030 --> 00:18:02,230
I run promos for podcasts and all those

562
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:04,910
podcasts are highlighted on hellofred.fm and you

563
00:18:04,910 --> 00:18:07,510
can literally see people hearing a promo.

564
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:09,130
Cause I can, in the stats, I can

565
00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:11,450
see when the, I know when the promo

566
00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:13,170
ran, I can see, Oh, and then this

567
00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:16,810
same person, the same listener went over and

568
00:18:16,810 --> 00:18:20,430
started looking at that podcast and interacting with,

569
00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:23,230
uh, with the episodes and then grabbing an

570
00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:24,290
episode and playing it.

571
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:27,110
And so we have, and so God, this

572
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:31,150
is all Godcaster and we have a customer

573
00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:35,770
in Houston, really big station, a big, big

574
00:18:35,770 --> 00:18:36,730
faith based station.

575
00:18:36,830 --> 00:18:38,290
And they get it, man.

576
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:40,650
They're like, Oh, we want multiple live streams.

577
00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:42,290
I mean, they're not even thinking about their

578
00:18:42,290 --> 00:18:42,870
broadcasting.

579
00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:44,550
They could be off the air and the

580
00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:46,650
engineers wouldn't even know it, but they're so

581
00:18:46,650 --> 00:18:47,070
excited.

582
00:18:48,370 --> 00:18:50,190
And you know, they've got local people, uh,

583
00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:51,830
podcasts being created locally.

584
00:18:51,930 --> 00:18:54,110
And you know, this is really a way

585
00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:54,410
forward.

586
00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:56,570
Now that's for Houston, Fredericksburg, we only have

587
00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:59,710
19,000 people or I'm sorry, 12,000

588
00:18:59,710 --> 00:19:00,090
people.

589
00:19:00,190 --> 00:19:01,570
So it's not that big.

590
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:05,070
Um, but people are hungry for it.

591
00:19:05,390 --> 00:19:06,230
They're hungry.

592
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:08,710
They want to hear the mayor being interviewed.

593
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:11,290
They want to hear, um, the guy running

594
00:19:11,290 --> 00:19:13,450
ACE hardware, you know, they want to hear

595
00:19:13,450 --> 00:19:14,010
these things.

596
00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:15,270
It's really amazing.

597
00:19:15,970 --> 00:19:18,570
And I, there's no support, there's no support

598
00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:19,070
mechanism.

599
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,490
I haven't, you know, there's no, I mean,

600
00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:22,630
it will be all value for value ultimately.

601
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:27,730
Um, but there's, I know, I know just

602
00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:31,370
like we see with Boostergram Ball live and

603
00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:33,790
with the V4V music shows, I know that

604
00:19:33,790 --> 00:19:36,210
people will come out and support, you know,

605
00:19:36,410 --> 00:19:38,450
gone are the days of, of being a

606
00:19:38,450 --> 00:19:41,390
multimillionaire from your program, but will you be

607
00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:41,870
supported?

608
00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:42,930
You bet you will.

609
00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:44,330
You bet you will.

610
00:19:44,590 --> 00:19:45,350
It'll be enough.

611
00:19:45,690 --> 00:19:46,650
And it's, it's simple.

612
00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:48,390
I didn't get enough value for you.

613
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:50,270
I got to stop playing my, stop making

614
00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:50,710
records.

615
00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:52,690
You gave me enough support.

616
00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:53,750
I'm making another record.

617
00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:54,690
It's that simple.

618
00:19:55,930 --> 00:19:56,810
It works.

619
00:19:57,690 --> 00:19:59,530
Dude, we're in our 18th year of no

620
00:19:59,530 --> 00:19:59,910
agenda.

621
00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:02,950
And people always say, Oh, you're begging for

622
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:03,350
money.

623
00:20:03,630 --> 00:20:05,930
You sad puppy on the newsletter.

624
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:06,850
Yeah.

625
00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:08,890
Well, we're telling you the truth.

626
00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:12,770
Well, I mean, your, your, your local NPR

627
00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:14,130
station begs for money too.

628
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:15,970
And nobody gives them a hard time about

629
00:20:15,970 --> 00:20:17,630
it, but they actually beg for it.

630
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:19,970
They literally beg for it.

631
00:20:20,190 --> 00:20:22,150
We're just saying, Hey, thank you for your

632
00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:25,010
50 bucks, John or whoever it is.

633
00:20:25,150 --> 00:20:26,610
He, you know, here's your message.

634
00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:28,170
You thanks for sending this note.

635
00:20:28,270 --> 00:20:29,410
That's all it is.

636
00:20:30,290 --> 00:20:32,090
It's so, it's so obvious.

637
00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:35,410
Maybe, maybe people just don't, maybe people don't

638
00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:41,350
understand, uh, what hyperlocal, I think some of

639
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:43,510
these words get thrown around a lot and

640
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:44,930
would they kind of lose their meaning, but

641
00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:49,450
hyperlocal, like I heard, uh, Kara, the Kara

642
00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:50,930
Swisher thing where she was talking about buying

643
00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:51,910
Washington post.

644
00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:55,250
I think she, I know it's ridiculous.

645
00:20:55,670 --> 00:20:58,090
I think, I think that she threw in

646
00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:03,110
that word, uh, about in that discussion with

647
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:03,730
Scott Galloway.

648
00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:05,150
And I'm like, you don't, I don't think

649
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:07,030
you really understand what that means.

650
00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:10,030
I mean, hyperlocal, I don't understand.

651
00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:12,090
I don't think people get how, what the

652
00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:12,950
hyper part means.

653
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:14,490
It means really, really tiny.

654
00:21:14,770 --> 00:21:14,870
Yeah.

655
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:15,210
Small.

656
00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:16,290
Yeah.

657
00:21:16,570 --> 00:21:19,310
It's like your block or your neighborhood.

658
00:21:19,790 --> 00:21:20,050
Yeah.

659
00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:21,350
It's very small.

660
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:24,930
And I mean, if you're, if you're, um,

661
00:21:25,290 --> 00:21:28,510
if your little town can support a nice

662
00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:32,370
hardware, well, it can support your local podcast.

663
00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:32,830
Yes.

664
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:33,870
Oh, absolutely.

665
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:38,430
You know, there's, there's lots of, I promise

666
00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:41,550
you there's lots of accountants and lawyers and

667
00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:43,670
small business owners that are making just a

668
00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:46,430
fine living in small and very small and

669
00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:48,010
they're, they're hyperlocal businesses.

670
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:50,430
Now, why can't a podcast be that?

671
00:21:51,170 --> 00:21:51,750
It can.

672
00:21:51,870 --> 00:21:54,230
And I'll also say that with hyperlocal, I

673
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:59,530
will also group hyperlocal as a locality of

674
00:21:59,530 --> 00:22:00,150
interest.

675
00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:03,430
So a band can also be hyperlocal for

676
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:03,670
me.

677
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:07,510
So it doesn't always have to be geography.

678
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:10,010
Geography is great for podcasting.

679
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:13,750
It's, it's less great for music, but even

680
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:14,590
that is possible.

681
00:22:14,770 --> 00:22:15,110
I don't know.

682
00:22:15,170 --> 00:22:17,830
It's just, it feels, all I know is

683
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:19,730
the hole is big.

684
00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:21,390
The gaping hole.

685
00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:25,870
The preacher at your local church, that is

686
00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:29,490
a hyperlocal value for value supported salary.

687
00:22:29,670 --> 00:22:30,950
And a content factory.

688
00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:31,950
Yeah.

689
00:22:32,670 --> 00:22:35,270
These are, this is not, I mean, that,

690
00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:38,550
that's, that's purely a donation based system, you

691
00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:38,750
know?

692
00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:41,570
And, and that's that's the way that thing

693
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:41,850
works.

694
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:42,710
It can work.

695
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:44,030
It for sure can work.

696
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:47,130
I mean, God, the, I think the, the

697
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:49,410
model that we're trying to build with Godcaster

698
00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:56,830
it's push back against that dropping of local

699
00:22:56,830 --> 00:23:03,010
by radio, like by adding the live item

700
00:23:03,010 --> 00:23:06,990
to every, to everybody's station and, and a

701
00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:10,930
feed and a podcast feed it's the station

702
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:16,070
itself survives the transition to digital and remains

703
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:17,950
a local programming source.

704
00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:19,810
It's even hyperlocal.

705
00:23:19,930 --> 00:23:20,090
Yeah.

706
00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:22,590
And the thing about that, cause I've been

707
00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:25,190
thinking about this and when, when Sam posted

708
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:29,930
that article, I was like, so, you know,

709
00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:32,190
what we're trying to do is, is, is

710
00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:34,690
use these 2.0 technologies like live item

711
00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:38,970
to help these stations survive.

712
00:23:40,410 --> 00:23:44,390
And then it feeds into the bigger podcast

713
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:47,650
ecosystem because there's got to be a way,

714
00:23:47,670 --> 00:23:49,410
a way for people to listen to the

715
00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:53,590
live items like true fans and podcast, podcast

716
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:55,930
addict and podcast guru and podverse.

717
00:23:56,150 --> 00:23:58,970
And there's, there has to be a way

718
00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:02,170
for that stuff to be accessible because there

719
00:24:02,170 --> 00:24:03,390
needs to be, like you always call it

720
00:24:03,390 --> 00:24:03,850
a tuner.

721
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:06,310
And like, and it got me on, it

722
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:10,590
got me thinking that, you know, I really

723
00:24:10,590 --> 00:24:15,890
want, I don't ever really do this, but

724
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:16,870
I can't help it.

725
00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:19,750
This one instance, I think I really want

726
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:22,270
Apple on board with the live item tag

727
00:24:22,270 --> 00:24:23,970
to the point where I think I may

728
00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:25,450
send Ted an email.

729
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:26,750
I don't expect a reply.

730
00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:27,330
They don't work.

731
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:29,770
That would be, that would be a game

732
00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:30,410
changer.

733
00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:31,850
Yeah.

734
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:33,610
That's for them.

735
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:34,910
I think so.

736
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:37,930
Do you remember, they used to have FM

737
00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:39,270
tuners in the iPhone.

738
00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:41,630
Do you know that my flip phone still

739
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:43,130
has an FM radio in it?

740
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:44,630
Does it?

741
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:44,910
Yeah.

742
00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:47,250
But you have to connect the wired headset

743
00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:48,450
to it for the antenna.

744
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:51,090
Otherwise it doesn't work, which is like, how

745
00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:52,070
dumb is that?

746
00:24:52,170 --> 00:24:53,770
No, that doesn't work at all.

747
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:55,830
I'm not using a wired headphone.

748
00:24:56,550 --> 00:24:58,990
I think that's what, I think that's the

749
00:24:58,990 --> 00:25:00,550
way the iPhone FM tuner used to work.

750
00:25:00,610 --> 00:25:02,170
You had to have the headphones plugged in.

751
00:25:02,290 --> 00:25:02,390
Yep.

752
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:03,330
Yep, exactly.

753
00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:05,330
Which is probably why, yeah, it's probably why

754
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:06,150
they did away with it.

755
00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:09,150
The entrance of Bluetooth made that antenna connection

756
00:25:09,150 --> 00:25:10,010
obsolete.

757
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:12,290
Oh yeah.

758
00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:12,670
Yeah.

759
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:15,790
Cause you, they dropped the FM tuner out

760
00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:18,570
of the iPhone with, I think the iPhone

761
00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:19,230
six.

762
00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:20,470
Yeah.

763
00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:23,090
And, um, but that's something it's like, they

764
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:25,110
used to have tuners in the phones and

765
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:27,850
that's something like, it's clearly something Apple believed

766
00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:28,210
in.

767
00:25:28,330 --> 00:25:31,390
They believed in radio and they could believe

768
00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:32,650
they could believe in it again.

769
00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:33,170
Yes.

770
00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:34,070
Believe.

771
00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:35,870
Just believe.

772
00:25:36,410 --> 00:25:38,010
You're old enough to remember.

773
00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:42,290
Um, I don't think I actually had one,

774
00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,410
but kids who were older than me, we

775
00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:46,350
used to have our boom box and you'd

776
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:48,230
have it on your shoulder and you'd be

777
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:50,390
playing your favorite radio station on the beach,

778
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:52,910
walking down the street and you'd have the

779
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:55,250
boom box, you know, blasting your favorite radio

780
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:58,370
station and you'd have record, play and pause

781
00:25:58,370 --> 00:26:00,250
pressed all at the same time for when

782
00:26:00,250 --> 00:26:02,670
your favorite song came on, pop, you could

783
00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:03,610
record the song.

784
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:04,910
That's right.

785
00:26:05,050 --> 00:26:07,090
It's, it's, uh, and you'd have to stop

786
00:26:07,090 --> 00:26:08,430
and flip the tape every now and then.

787
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:13,250
Um, but yeah, the live item in, uh,

788
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:16,850
in the Apple podcast app would be phenomenal.

789
00:26:17,050 --> 00:26:19,050
It was just be, and what would it

790
00:26:19,050 --> 00:26:20,170
really take them to do it?

791
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:22,030
I mean, it's not a, not a huge

792
00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:24,810
implementation, but it would kickstart something amazing.

793
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:27,330
That's what I was thinking is that it's

794
00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:28,790
not that big.

795
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:31,870
It's not, I just want to, like I

796
00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:33,470
said, that's this, it's not the way they

797
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:36,590
work to respond to emails and say, hey,

798
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:37,130
this is a good idea.

799
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:37,830
We're going to work on it.

800
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:38,510
That's just not what they do.

801
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:40,310
They don't even respond to customers who have

802
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:42,450
spent thousands of dollars on their products.

803
00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:43,090
I know.

804
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:43,810
I know.

805
00:26:43,910 --> 00:26:44,530
Here's a help.

806
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:46,630
Here's a knowledge-based note.

807
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:47,610
Go look at that.

808
00:26:48,770 --> 00:26:49,670
If you're lucky.

809
00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:50,030
Yeah.

810
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:52,590
Um, but that, they don't do it that

811
00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:53,830
way and that's fine.

812
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:56,790
But I do want to at least broach

813
00:26:56,790 --> 00:27:00,730
the topic because I feel like it's not

814
00:27:00,730 --> 00:27:05,210
really about, um, it's not really about Apple

815
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:05,910
themselves.

816
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:11,460
I don't, it's for me, it's about the,

817
00:27:11,620 --> 00:27:14,420
um, I think it's a, it's a, it's

818
00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:16,060
odd that they don't do it.

819
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,420
Like it's such a natural fit for them

820
00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:24,040
and their sort of, uh, you know, I

821
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,360
don't know, milieu or, or, or ethos that,

822
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520
that if I see it very similar to

823
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,780
transcripts, it's an obvious ad for them.

824
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,000
And, uh, because they, they already support, um,

825
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,000
they already support like, so here's the way

826
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,440
it could go.

827
00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:47,940
Like whenever the Apple, an Apple event keynote

828
00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:50,320
happens, there could just be an Apple feed

829
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,100
in the podcast app and you get to

830
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:52,780
watch it live.

831
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:54,480
How about this right there in the podcast?

832
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,180
How about this?

833
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,660
They become the new tune in.

834
00:27:56,740 --> 00:27:59,280
There's not a single radio station on the

835
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,160
planet that does not have a live stream.

836
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,140
Not a single one.

837
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:05,260
Every single radio station has a live stream.

838
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:08,620
We have the, we have everything all fleshed

839
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:08,880
out.

840
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,420
We got, we, it's, it's all sussed out.

841
00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:14,060
It's been working for a long time.

842
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:16,280
There are many podcasts that use it.

843
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,480
Um, and they would have such a competitive

844
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:19,920
edge.

845
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,860
I think Spotify would have a hard time

846
00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:24,900
even getting, catching up with them.

847
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:26,640
I'm not, I'm not sure why I'm saying

848
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,400
that, but it feels like they don't have

849
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,920
the, they, yeah, it just feels like they're

850
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,580
focused on so many other things.

851
00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:37,940
It would just be very competitive and it'd

852
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:38,320
be great.

853
00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:40,160
And they could become the de facto for

854
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,580
in-car radio listening.

855
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,500
They could do all kinds of cool things

856
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,860
with, um, with their, with their existing index.

857
00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:48,380
Of course, you know, they're happy to use

858
00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:48,680
ours.

859
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320
Uh, Hey guys, save yourself some money, use

860
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:52,580
ours.

861
00:28:53,180 --> 00:28:54,780
Well then, you know, and, and if they

862
00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:56,060
want to, you know, if they, if they

863
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:57,840
wanted to enhance the spec and say, Hey,

864
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,880
this, we would do it, but it needs

865
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,900
to be, uh, we're only going to support

866
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:05,080
it if it's like HLS or, you know,

867
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:08,340
an MP3 stream or whatever, because the spec

868
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:09,940
is very loose, you know, it can, it

869
00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:11,720
can adapt to whatever there is.

870
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:13,560
And they would say, okay, yeah, that's all

871
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:13,720
that.

872
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,540
All that makes sense.

873
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:16,300
You know, you can just basically do whatever

874
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,700
you want within the bounds of the spec

875
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:20,680
and we make the spec work for them.

876
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,840
And they, you know, I just think that

877
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,480
it would be a humongous win right now

878
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,700
at this point in time.

879
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,420
Bingo.

880
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,380
Because we, we, for like for the, for

881
00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:33,640
the Godcaster follow button, we give a whole,

882
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:35,520
we list a bunch of podcasting 2.0

883
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:35,940
apps.

884
00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:36,320
Yeah.

885
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Is we list all the 2.0 apps

886
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,260
that are supported.

887
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:40,920
Yeah.

888
00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:41,940
Uh-huh.

889
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:45,220
That, and, and we, we include one that

890
00:29:45,220 --> 00:29:48,240
doesn't, which is Apple, just because it's such

891
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,360
a big app and everybody's going to ask.

892
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,140
And you just have to know that it's

893
00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:54,760
not going to support all the features, but

894
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:57,320
you just have to add it because everybody's

895
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,420
going to say, where is it?

896
00:29:58,700 --> 00:29:58,800
Yeah.

897
00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:01,720
But if it did support the features, that

898
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,180
would be awesome.

899
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,000
And I should add that every single radio

900
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,960
station has their own native app.

901
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
And most of them use some app, you

902
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,580
know, a handful of app companies that do

903
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:11,900
this.

904
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:14,240
They all have their live stream in there.

905
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,380
So what are people going to use?

906
00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:17,700
Yeah.

907
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,300
It's up to them.

908
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:22,860
And it's just a simple tag too.

909
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,060
Maybe they're all busy.

910
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:26,700
Maybe they're all busy making Siri work properly.

911
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:27,420
I don't know.

912
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:29,600
Or not work.

913
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,520
Or not work.

914
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:30,840
Yeah.

915
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,900
Or not work at all.

916
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:32,100
Yeah.

917
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:34,640
Well, by the way, I've got, uh, I've,

918
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,860
I've, I've got some, uh, some clips from

919
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:41,280
Sir Libre's, uh, feeding of the troll room

920
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,760
into notebook LM.

921
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,200
Is that because I, I, you know, I

922
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,380
never listened to your clips.

923
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:47,520
You sent me some clips and it says

924
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,620
N A I R C clip one, two,

925
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:49,920
and three.

926
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760
I'm like, I want, Oh wow.

927
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,520
The volume's real low on this.

928
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,140
Who did this?

929
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:55,140
Libre did it?

930
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:56,540
Yeah.

931
00:30:56,540 --> 00:30:57,500
Can you juice it?

932
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Yeah.

933
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:58,740
Come on.

934
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,660
I'm the pod father, man.

935
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:01,240
I can juice that stuff.

936
00:31:01,340 --> 00:31:02,160
It's already done.

937
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:02,940
What are you talking about?

938
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:04,500
So it takes me just a few seconds

939
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:05,100
to juice it.

940
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,120
So what, so what is it?

941
00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:06,960
Are we going to play this now?

942
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Uh, yeah, it's the note.

943
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,940
So, uh, Cola Mona, uh, Sir Libre, he

944
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:16,140
put, he, he took like, I don't know,

945
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:17,120
months.

946
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,640
No, wait a minute.

947
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:18,440
Is Sir Libre.

948
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,320
Is he also, is he Sir Spencer in

949
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:20,720
disguise?

950
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:22,840
No, no, it's not.

951
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:23,840
It's a different guy.

952
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,160
Okay.

953
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,880
I have no idea.

954
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:26,960
I'm so confused by, uh, by all the

955
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,460
different, wow.

956
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,440
This last clip is really, he's a lot

957
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:29,960
of juicing.

958
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,420
Oh, you just give it double juice.

959
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:33,940
No, I'm, I'm up to time.

960
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:35,200
I'm, I'm up to seven.

961
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,020
Uh, let me see what it's seven juice

962
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:38,800
metrics, seven juice units.

963
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,540
I'm, I'm amplifying seven DBs.

964
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Oh, golly.

965
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Yeah.

966
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,500
So note notebook.

967
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,100
Uh, I, you see, I usually juice them.

968
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,880
I pre juice them before I give them

969
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,040
to you.

970
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:51,600
You did not, you did not give me

971
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,780
pre juice stuff, man.

972
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:54,200
It's like, I got to bring my own

973
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,080
juice to the party.

974
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:55,540
Nice.

975
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200
I was snow blind from the Birmingham snow.

976
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,360
All right.

977
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,320
So, uh, set it up and I'll, I'll

978
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:01,820
get into it.

979
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,900
Well, this is like months, I think months

980
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,040
of the troll room chat.

981
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Oh, he took the whole troll room chat

982
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,720
and put it into notebook LM.

983
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:10,560
Yeah.

984
00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:11,680
I think it's like, let me, let me

985
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,460
find, I think it's like months of troll

986
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:13,860
room chat.

987
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Are we going to dive into it with

988
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,500
these, with these Jim Oakes, these phonies?

989
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,660
Let me see.

990
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:23,440
Uh, let me see exactly real quick though.

991
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,720
First, how many I can find how many

992
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,940
months of this he did.

993
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:28,880
Cause it was like, I want to say

994
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
like six months of troll room, which is

995
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,500
way too much.

996
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:32,960
Wow.

997
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,020
Troll room.

998
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Uh, can I find this?

999
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:37,960
Uh, I don't know.

1000
00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:39,300
Let's dive in and I'll find it.

1001
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:40,020
Let's dive in.

1002
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,920
I'm very excited to hear what they make

1003
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,480
of this.

1004
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:43,680
All right.

1005
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,020
Buckle up because today we're going deep diving

1006
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:48,360
into some serious podcast.

1007
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:48,700
Wow.

1008
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Right off the top.

1009
00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:50,860
Buckle up deep dive.

1010
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:51,600
Oh man.

1011
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:54,960
They got to change the model on this

1012
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,180
thing.

1013
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:59,780
We're talking about the chat logs from the

1014
00:32:59,780 --> 00:33:00,820
no agenda show.

1015
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,320
You know, the one with Adam Curry and

1016
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:03,960
John C.

1017
00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:04,540
Dvorak.

1018
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:04,720
Yeah.

1019
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,600
The IRC channel.

1020
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:06,260
That's old school.

1021
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:06,500
Right.

1022
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:07,680
During one of their live recordings.

1023
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,840
So we're going to see what the fans

1024
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,680
were saying as the show was happening live.

1025
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,420
Hold on a second.

1026
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:16,760
A not fans B maybe producer C trolls.

1027
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:18,060
It's fascinating.

1028
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,500
Really?

1029
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,660
It's like a window into how these dedicated

1030
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:24,100
fans engage with the show in real time.

1031
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:26,100
And you know, those no agenda episodes are

1032
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:29,740
long, like three hours every Thursday and Sunday.

1033
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,060
Yeah.

1034
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:31,620
So that chat is going for a long

1035
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:31,920
time.

1036
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:33,640
So they build this whole little world in

1037
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,940
their little world.

1038
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,920
And they're constantly reacting, you know, to what

1039
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,520
Adam and John are talking about, building their

1040
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,860
own inside jokes and even trying to influence

1041
00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:41,880
where the show goes next.

1042
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,640
It's pretty amazing.

1043
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:43,180
Yeah.

1044
00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:44,560
They're not just passive listeners.

1045
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,040
They're like active participants.

1046
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:46,600
Exactly.

1047
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,700
And remember, no agenda is ad free.

1048
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,820
It runs on that value for value model.

1049
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,160
So the fans are directly supporting the show.

1050
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,880
Yeah.

1051
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,980
Which makes the chat even more interesting because

1052
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,640
it's this direct line of communication between the

1053
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,580
fans and the creators.

1054
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:00,560
Hold on a second.

1055
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,800
I wonder, did Libra put that, did he

1056
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,680
put in there the value for value or

1057
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,639
did they glean that from the IRC logs?

1058
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,560
Did he have a setup?

1059
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,820
I mean, if they got all that from

1060
00:34:13,820 --> 00:34:15,800
the log, I'm very impressed.

1061
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Here's what he said.

1062
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:23,280
He says to 24,950 lines of IRC

1063
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,739
chat from hash no agenda IRC channel, December

1064
00:34:28,739 --> 00:34:30,320
28th to January 9th.

1065
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,960
OK, so it was only like a couple

1066
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,840
of weeks fed into notebook.

1067
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,219
LM is interesting how much they get right

1068
00:34:36,219 --> 00:34:37,560
and how much they totally get wrong.

1069
00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:39,320
He only mentions that he fed in the

1070
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:39,920
IRC chat.

1071
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,199
He doesn't mention anything else.

1072
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,500
OK, let's go to clip two.

1073
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,400
But this reads like, but it sounds though,

1074
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:49,600
like it sounds like a native ad for

1075
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,219
no agenda is what, you know, remember they're

1076
00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:53,480
doing that value for value model.

1077
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,380
They don't take ads.

1078
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:55,500
I know, I know.

1079
00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:56,620
Every Thursday and Sunday.

1080
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,640
That's right, except they didn't catch it.

1081
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:59,720
We call them trolls.

1082
00:35:00,740 --> 00:35:03,120
We have a troll count, you know, so

1083
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,980
OK, let's go.

1084
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,320
So let's start with Doug.

1085
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:06,140
Doug.

1086
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:06,980
The bot.

1087
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,860
He's like the heart and soul of this

1088
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:13,380
chat, keeping things organized and throwing in some

1089
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:14,660
witty comments along the way.

1090
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:15,600
Doug's a busy guy.

1091
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,580
He announces when the show's live with a

1092
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:20,100
pod ping bat signal detected, keeps track of

1093
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:22,660
everyone's karma points, even cracks a few jokes

1094
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:23,240
now and then.

1095
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:23,880
I love that.

1096
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,320
It's like he's a character in the chat

1097
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:25,720
himself.

1098
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,720
He is.

1099
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,600
And speaking of karma points, it's amazing to

1100
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,940
see the hierarchy in there.

1101
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:31,720
Oh, yeah.

1102
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,540
You've got J.C.D. with like 18000

1103
00:35:34,540 --> 00:35:34,980
points.

1104
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,700
Clearly a veteran of the no agenda community.

1105
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:38,100
Right.

1106
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,640
Like a king of the chat room.

1107
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:41,500
And then you got others like a birdie.

1108
00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:44,660
Jerry, you had 1666 Matthew Dunage with fifty

1109
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:47,360
four forty one even titties clocking in at

1110
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:47,980
40 points.

1111
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,720
Forty.

1112
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,320
Wow.

1113
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,820
You say it's a diverse crowd.

1114
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,340
Not quite understanding the karma points.

1115
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,040
You know, when when we first started, no

1116
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,260
agenda stream, I was running the stream and

1117
00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:04,500
I ran it from my house.

1118
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:06,000
I think it was I was in Los

1119
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Angeles at the time.

1120
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,140
And so I had a 24 hour streamer

1121
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:13,140
and it was not very sophisticated.

1122
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:17,260
We're talking 2008, 2009, something like that.

1123
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:19,760
Maybe it's maybe I remember that.

1124
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,640
And I would have Doug and Doug was

1125
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,040
an early voice synthesis system.

1126
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,420
And Doug would do time and weather and

1127
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:31,780
Doug would read like a headline or something.

1128
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:33,460
I had all kinds of scripts set up.

1129
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:34,480
It was kind of remember.

1130
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:37,640
I remember that because Doug was you could

1131
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:37,980
like.

1132
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:39,280
Hi, this is.

1133
00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:40,740
Yeah.

1134
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,100
And he would come on the stream, you

1135
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,140
know, and announce the next podcast.

1136
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:48,360
Yes, yes, yes.

1137
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,420
Oh, good time.

1138
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,880
I remember when that was running out of

1139
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,520
your head because you were in the that

1140
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,440
was I was in the Hollywood Hills now

1141
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,060
on fire.

1142
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,240
But didn't didn't it wasn't it still that

1143
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,140
way when you were in the garage?

1144
00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:00,840
Yes.

1145
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:01,580
Yes.

1146
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,020
You're right.

1147
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:03,900
In the garage.

1148
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:05,380
Man, you remember that stuff.

1149
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,980
Yeah, man, I was there, bro.

1150
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:08,200
That's amazing.

1151
00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:10,620
They've got all these running gags and inside

1152
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:11,020
jokes.

1153
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,800
It's really creative and quick witted.

1154
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:13,520
Like what?

1155
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:14,420
Give me an example.

1156
00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:16,900
Well, they kept talking about gigawatt coffee, gigawatt

1157
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:17,380
coffee.

1158
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:17,700
Yeah.

1159
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920
I think it's a reference to Adam Curry's

1160
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,060
high energy personality.

1161
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:24,660
And then there's artificial curry, which is a

1162
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:26,420
playful jab at AI.

1163
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,200
That's hilarious.

1164
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,300
And these running gags just evolve organically.

1165
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:33,260
They become part of the chat's unique vocabulary.

1166
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,300
I love that it's like they've created their

1167
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:35,940
own language.

1168
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:36,820
They have.

1169
00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:39,460
And it's constantly changing and adapting as the

1170
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:40,200
show goes on.

1171
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:42,080
I also noticed a lot of a kind

1172
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,740
of plus plus sprinkled throughout the chat.

1173
00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:46,760
What's that all about?

1174
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,060
Ah, that's their way of giving someone karma

1175
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:50,880
points like a mini upvote system.

1176
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:52,900
So if someone makes a funny comment or

1177
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:53,880
a sharp observation.

1178
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,500
Yeah, you just hit them with the plus

1179
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:55,680
plus.

1180
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,180
It's a way to acknowledge each other's contributions.

1181
00:37:58,180 --> 00:38:00,380
It's like their own social currency within this

1182
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:00,680
chat.

1183
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Exactly.

1184
00:38:01,620 --> 00:38:03,380
And everyone's playing the game trying to earn

1185
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:05,020
those points and climb the ranks.

1186
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:05,980
It's fascinating.

1187
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,720
This no agenda chat is more than just

1188
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,720
a bunch of people typing at each other.

1189
00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:13,960
It's a complex ecosystem with its own rules,

1190
00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:15,920
language and social dynamics.

1191
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:16,360
Wow.

1192
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:17,980
I just had an idea.

1193
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:19,840
It's a did you ever have you ever

1194
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,660
thought of the troll room as a complex

1195
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:23,380
ecosystem with its own rules?

1196
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Totally, totally.

1197
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:26,640
That's how I think of it all the

1198
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,160
time.

1199
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:29,120
Cotton gin.

1200
00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:31,940
Think about if you did a plus plus,

1201
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,740
you could send a zap to somebody.

1202
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,960
I thought the same thing.

1203
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:37,560
What a great idea.

1204
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Yes.

1205
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,160
Plus plus means means like a a boost.

1206
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:45,520
Well, you know, I have to say.

1207
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,360
Ever since I got the primal app, which

1208
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,640
has a wallet built into it, and I

1209
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,320
think they have a business account or some

1210
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,220
business relationship with strike, I could be wrong

1211
00:38:58,220 --> 00:38:58,660
on that.

1212
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,420
But they have a wallet, which is clearly

1213
00:39:01,420 --> 00:39:03,680
some custodial thing, I guess.

1214
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:05,140
Maybe not.

1215
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,600
I don't know.

1216
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:06,740
Maybe I don't know.

1217
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,480
I have no idea.

1218
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:13,860
But the primal app for Nostra is there's

1219
00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:15,240
a couple of things I would like differently,

1220
00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:16,800
but is a good app.

1221
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,380
And I'm not all that interested in most

1222
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:24,700
of the content.

1223
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,680
But when I flow something through fountain.

1224
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,300
And and it shows up in Nostra and

1225
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,060
people start to comment there.

1226
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:42,280
It's kind of an exciting experience.

1227
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,560
It's a very small community because I can

1228
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,540
I can just say something like, hey, I'm

1229
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:50,860
having a problem with my lightning node and,

1230
00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,220
you know, boom, boom, boom.

1231
00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:53,760
We got a lot of comments.

1232
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,600
I don't think I'm being followed by that

1233
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,200
many people.

1234
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,460
But it's just it's relatively what is it,

1235
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,540
maybe 40,000 active people, maybe.

1236
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,000
I don't know.

1237
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,720
But as I look more into.

1238
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,080
What's capable, what you can do outside of

1239
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,460
the social network, how you can flow content

1240
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:18,060
through the Nostra protocol, I guess, or whatever

1241
00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:18,980
you want to call it.

1242
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,360
I see a lot of opportunities and I've

1243
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,080
been desperately trying to follow along with what

1244
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,980
Stephen B is doing because he he in

1245
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:30,580
essence, this split box that he's creating and

1246
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:32,360
I think he's gotten a little sidetracked, but

1247
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,620
I'm obviously OK.

1248
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,220
I'm just trying to follow along.

1249
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,700
So he is now making zaps splittable through

1250
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:39,740
the split box.

1251
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:40,920
Right.

1252
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:43,460
And so I can't help but think that

1253
00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:47,300
there is a natural fit between podcast feeds,

1254
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,700
podcasting 2.0 feeds and the Nostra protocol,

1255
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,520
not necessarily the Nostra network itself.

1256
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,840
I'm just seeing, by the way, how how

1257
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,600
funny is it that Dare Gigi came up

1258
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,620
with the how was it the prism splits

1259
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:05,300
or whatever he came up with must must

1260
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:06,540
be two years ago now.

1261
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,840
Not a single person has done any development.

1262
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,360
No, that has to come from our group.

1263
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,880
Just saying.

1264
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,740
And it's almost like, well, if there's this

1265
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:21,660
group of tens of thousands of people and

1266
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:24,360
they clearly know how to onboard and there's

1267
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,780
app development going on.

1268
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:33,360
Why wouldn't we incorporate zaps into our existing

1269
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,960
system?

1270
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:37,470
Because it's no different from a boost at

1271
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:37,950
this point.

1272
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:41,310
If you can hit a button, type something.

1273
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:43,070
Well, actually, I don't think there's any message.

1274
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:45,370
There's no there's no concept of a booster

1275
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:46,950
gram in Nostra.

1276
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:51,910
But it's it's I mean, I I've got

1277
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:54,450
like 80,000 sats just from being on

1278
00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:55,470
this thing for a month.

1279
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:58,110
And that's just people zapping me.

1280
00:41:58,430 --> 00:42:00,210
Now, if I could split those.

1281
00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:03,150
I mean, I just see opportunities.

1282
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:06,150
I mean, a zap is just an LNURLP.

1283
00:42:06,610 --> 00:42:06,990
Exactly.

1284
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:08,090
I mean, we already do.

1285
00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:09,050
I mean, I know.

1286
00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:10,590
But, you know, right now, if I look

1287
00:42:10,590 --> 00:42:12,030
at the stats of what we see on

1288
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:15,650
the index, which is definitely not everything, it's

1289
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:18,390
ninety nine percent fountain.

1290
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:22,530
Everything else with Albi apocalypse has kind of

1291
00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:23,810
fallen off the radar.

1292
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:28,370
And I'd love I mean, it's going to

1293
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:29,570
take time to get that back.

1294
00:42:29,610 --> 00:42:31,890
I mean, like because if Primal is just

1295
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:34,370
a strike, Chad says Primal is just using

1296
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:37,250
strike black strike black wallet.

1297
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:40,990
I mean, if what is that?

1298
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,550
Can anybody use the strike black wallet?

1299
00:42:44,290 --> 00:42:46,630
Well, I think I think that's just the

1300
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:48,530
white labeled strike.

1301
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:50,930
But as well, I think that's what I

1302
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:53,470
don't think I didn't have any KYC when

1303
00:42:53,470 --> 00:42:54,890
I said, give me a Primal wallet.

1304
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:57,210
Just saying.

1305
00:42:58,550 --> 00:43:00,530
So I don't know how that works.

1306
00:43:01,490 --> 00:43:04,390
It just feels like there's wallets and stuff

1307
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:06,770
out there in Nosterland that is just begging

1308
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:08,710
to be incorporated into our stuff.

1309
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:12,130
If you know, if if it all works,

1310
00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:14,750
I don't care what you call it.

1311
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:16,670
But just see, that's that's at the app.

1312
00:43:16,770 --> 00:43:18,650
That's at the application layer, though.

1313
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:21,970
And, you know, that's that's just at the

1314
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:22,730
application layer.

1315
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:26,090
I don't think that that's if if podcasting

1316
00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:29,170
2.0 app developers individually want to do

1317
00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:34,430
that, you know, that's that's their prerogative.

1318
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:36,670
And I'm you know, I'll support them and

1319
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:37,650
whatever they want to do.

1320
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:41,070
But, you know, but I don't I don't

1321
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:44,690
think that it really requires any special podcasting

1322
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:47,050
2.0 protocol level things.

1323
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:50,270
I think all that stuff's already done, you

1324
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:51,830
know, because I mean, this is all application

1325
00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:53,010
layer stuff.

1326
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:55,890
If they the the.

1327
00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:58,170
I guess what I'm saying, try this on

1328
00:43:58,170 --> 00:43:58,610
for size.

1329
00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:02,490
I'm saying, what if you can choose in

1330
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:02,930
your app?

1331
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:05,390
Well, I just I have zaps all set

1332
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:05,650
up.

1333
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:07,690
Just make the boost button work with that.

1334
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:11,350
Doesn't that take away all these other issues

1335
00:44:11,350 --> 00:44:13,450
of integrating a wallet and doing all that

1336
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:13,770
stuff?

1337
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:15,430
Is it just isn't it just the LN

1338
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:18,350
URL pay link click and it just works?

1339
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:19,970
Or am I mistaking that?

1340
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,420
Describe that again.

1341
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:24,880
I'm not sure I'm following.

1342
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:25,380
So.

1343
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:28,660
I have the primal app, but then I

1344
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:33,380
also have the primal dot net web login

1345
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:35,720
and I log in and then I can

1346
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,980
use the same wallet for zapping people that

1347
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:39,840
I use on the mobile.

1348
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,180
So I don't have a wallet sitting here

1349
00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:46,300
in my in my desktop computer.

1350
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:48,460
So it's making these links to somewhere.

1351
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,480
So if those if those links work like

1352
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,280
that, why wouldn't if we have the split

1353
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,520
box capability, why wouldn't I just surface a

1354
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,980
zap button in a podcast app as an

1355
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:04,280
alternate or turn the boost button into a

1356
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:04,740
zap button?

1357
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,280
I don't care.

1358
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,640
And I'm saying and I'm saying I think

1359
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,160
I'm saying I think you can do that

1360
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,300
because that doesn't really.

1361
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,980
So Nostra is two things.

1362
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,780
Nostra is an authentication protocol and it's an

1363
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:21,380
authentication and message signing protocol.

1364
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,700
And then it's a WebSocket protocol, a JSON

1365
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:26,260
based WebSocket protocol.

1366
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:29,100
And they really can be independent of one

1367
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:29,420
another.

1368
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:32,240
Like if you if somebody wanted like if

1369
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,500
I generate a not a quote unquote Nostra

1370
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,080
identity, which is just a which is just

1371
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:37,700
a key pair.

1372
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,160
I mean, it's not, you know, they do

1373
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,500
they have a little bit of their own

1374
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,240
flavor to it to get the right to

1375
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,160
get sort of prepackaged outputs, the in pub

1376
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,460
and the insect and whatever.

1377
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,140
That's fine.

1378
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,900
But if I want to use that key

1379
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:58,640
pair facility or protocol to generate an identity

1380
00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:03,460
that that is Nostra compatible, but also a

1381
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:05,280
standalone thing, it's a key pair.

1382
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:06,040
It's just math.

1383
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:10,400
If I want to use that and then

1384
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,080
send an LNURLP payment and attach that identity

1385
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,860
to it, that's fine.

1386
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,240
You know, that's fine.

1387
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,360
The problem with the problem with Nostra from

1388
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,320
a podcast, from an app developer's perspective, has

1389
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,400
always been not the authentication part, but the

1390
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,460
message signing part.

1391
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,340
Identity part, but the WebSocket protocol part.

1392
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,020
Sockets are hard.

1393
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,540
I'm going to tell Tina that tonight, baby,

1394
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:40,320
just so you know, sockets are hard.

1395
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:41,000
Give me a break.

1396
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:51,040
Most app developers, modern app developers, are used

1397
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,680
to HTTP calls.

1398
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:58,700
They're used to REST based HTTP protocols where

1399
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:00,300
they're communicating with a backend.

1400
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,800
Socket programming, we call it WebSockets, but it's

1401
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,540
still a socket.

1402
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,080
And it has all the same difficulties as

1403
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,040
programming with a TCP socket, you know, or

1404
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,400
a named pipe or something like this.

1405
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:21,520
These are at their core, not really that

1406
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,040
much different than a Unix socket on a

1407
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,680
local level.

1408
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,980
And that requires a lot of layers of

1409
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:30,600
management within your code.

1410
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:34,040
Because now, all of a sudden, you're talking

1411
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,900
about race conditions.

1412
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,360
You're talking about...

1413
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:42,100
Oh no, not the dreaded race condition.

1414
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:47,320
Yeah, race conditions, mutexes, semaphore handling.

1415
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,640
There's a lot that happens when you have

1416
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,000
a, what is essentially an unmanaged open connection

1417
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,580
between two endpoints, that you are pushing and

1418
00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:59,620
pulling packets back and forth.

1419
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,040
And so that's the difficulty with a protocol

1420
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,740
like Noster.

1421
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:13,940
It's something that most mobile app developers are

1422
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:19,660
just not going to get it.

1423
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,980
I don't mean from an intelligence standpoint.

1424
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,760
I mean, they're just not going to invest

1425
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,080
the time to do that.

1426
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:30,140
But I don't think it's necessary to implement

1427
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:32,820
the Noster protocol in order to do the

1428
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:34,120
thing that you're talking about.

1429
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:34,360
Okay.

1430
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:36,680
Well, I guess what I'm saying is I

1431
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,520
see a community of users, call them people,

1432
00:48:43,340 --> 00:48:48,400
who understand the basic value for value moniker.

1433
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,220
And I see that they have tools that

1434
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:53,520
enable them to do it.

1435
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,420
And I want to find out how can

1436
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:01,400
we get those people, and maybe what Stephen

1437
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,180
B is doing is a podcast pops up

1438
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:09,360
on Noster, whether it's a page, a library,

1439
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,040
a social network, I don't care.

1440
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,060
The social network part is the least interesting

1441
00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:14,520
to me.

1442
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,360
It's the fact that there's a value for

1443
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,380
value exchange mechanism, which works and is understood

1444
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:22,620
by both users and developers.

1445
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:28,200
And somehow we're not connecting those dots.

1446
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:30,300
I'm not sure how to explain it any

1447
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:30,660
differently.

1448
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,900
You're saying that, if I understand you correctly,

1449
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:40,560
are you saying that you want to tap

1450
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:48,340
into the Noster world's zappers to bring them

1451
00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:52,360
into the, to be able to send value

1452
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,180
into podcasting 2.0 apps?

1453
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:54,520
Yes.

1454
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,820
That's what I'm saying.

1455
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,340
Thank you.

1456
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:56,780
Okay.

1457
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,240
Okay.

1458
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,760
I mean, I just, I think that's, I

1459
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,540
think that's very, I think that's very doable.

1460
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:08,460
The only thing I would caution against though,

1461
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:16,500
is, I really, we've, we've talked about this.

1462
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,080
I feel like many times the, the somehow

1463
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,000
merging of some sort of Noster thing with

1464
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,360
RSS, please don't.

1465
00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:30,040
Like, it's just not, it's, it's ultimately going

1466
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,240
to fail and just be a big mess.

1467
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:38,860
Like, I don't, at the application level, this

1468
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:41,980
stuff needs to really stay separated so that

1469
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:43,740
you have, okay.

1470
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:50,400
Like, there's nothing stopping, there's nothing, okay.

1471
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,340
So there's nothing stopping somebody like, let's say,

1472
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,660
let me think of an example.

1473
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:01,700
Let's, let's say, Castamatic.

1474
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:08,220
There's nothing stopping Franco from saying, okay, when

1475
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:11,680
you, when you, when you fire up a,

1476
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,340
when you fire up your, your Castamatic app,

1477
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,880
it's going to ask for your Noster, if

1478
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,160
you, do you have a Noster ID?

1479
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:19,800
Right.

1480
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:20,880
And you say, yes.

1481
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,160
All it's going to do is just store

1482
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,460
that, store that NPUB.

1483
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,000
It's going to store your, your identity.

1484
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,560
And somewhere that, that NPUB knows where my

1485
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,500
wallet is, correct?

1486
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Or is that incorrect?

1487
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:37,620
Well, the, it's in the metadata for the,

1488
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:38,520
for the identity.

1489
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,100
Okay.

1490
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,900
So it could store, it could store your

1491
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,560
identity, it could store your identity, basically make

1492
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,380
one call to, you know, a hundred relays

1493
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:49,120
or whatever, all the ones it knows about,

1494
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:50,460
pull down your identity.

1495
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:52,420
And then it never really has to communicate

1496
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:53,860
with the Noster world again.

1497
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:54,000
Okay.

1498
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,160
No, that's fine.

1499
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:54,680
That's fine.

1500
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:57,480
Like basically it's just, it's just checking, does

1501
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,860
this person have a wallet that exists somewhere

1502
00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:00,760
on a Noster relay?

1503
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,120
Yes.

1504
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,140
I think that's what I'm, what I'm talking

1505
00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:03,480
about.

1506
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:04,820
Okay.

1507
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:06,760
Well then, and then, and then it's not,

1508
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:09,120
you know, it could do stuff on that

1509
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,160
network later, but it doesn't have to that.

1510
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:14,820
And, and that's, I think what I'm saying

1511
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:16,160
is like, it could be done.

1512
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,440
And I'd really, I think that, that is

1513
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,020
the way you basically, you, you make, you

1514
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:26,120
grab an identity just just like you could

1515
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,460
grab an identity from whatever, I mean, Twitter

1516
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:30,360
through OAuth or anything like you make this

1517
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,500
one call, get the identity and get the

1518
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:33,520
information you need.

1519
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,780
And then you can, you know, store that

1520
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:39,880
and begin to now, now you're, now you're

1521
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,380
back in RSS world and you can make,

1522
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,960
you can send payments and do these things

1523
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,520
that you want to do.

1524
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:46,840
Okay.

1525
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,020
So, so the next thing that flows into

1526
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:49,460
this.

1527
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:52,020
Because let me, let me just say one

1528
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,720
more thing because, because Castamatic, the idea of,

1529
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,100
of Franco maintaining an open web socket connection,

1530
00:52:58,740 --> 00:52:59,560
it's not happening.

1531
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:01,680
I understood, understood.

1532
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,020
Yeah.

1533
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,940
And I, and I, and I'm, I'm with

1534
00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:04,560
you on that.

1535
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:05,480
Okay.

1536
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,180
I'm just trying to make connections.

1537
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:11,780
And then the next thing is, is do

1538
00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:16,020
you know if Fountain is already honoring LNURL

1539
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:16,800
splits?

1540
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:20,320
Because until they do, nothing's going to happen.

1541
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:21,320
Who?

1542
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:21,660
Fountain?

1543
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:22,080
Yeah.

1544
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,680
Because I, there's no evidence, there's no evidence

1545
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,580
it's working because I have LNURL splits in,

1546
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:36,680
in, in this feed and people are boosting

1547
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,780
from Fountain, but that split is not getting

1548
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:39,240
anything.

1549
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:44,160
Well, the test, the test that, that Oscar

1550
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,400
created was the Fountain radio feed and that

1551
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,320
works, right?

1552
00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:48,440
I mean, we tested that.

1553
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:49,960
Right.

1554
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:56,890
Well, it doesn't work currently with boosts and

1555
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:57,970
I think it has to.

1556
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:58,130
I don't know.

1557
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:59,330
I don't know the answer to them.

1558
00:53:59,330 --> 00:53:59,770
Yeah.

1559
00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:03,110
I think Fountain has to take the lead

1560
00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:06,090
on this and, and make that work so

1561
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:08,670
we can figure out what, what doesn't work

1562
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:10,770
and what does work and troubleshoot, et cetera.

1563
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:15,070
Because I have, you know, I have my

1564
00:54:15,070 --> 00:54:18,370
Adam Curry at strike.me address in a

1565
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:20,350
split and I'm not getting anything.

1566
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:23,670
Eric PP, he's, he says you need something

1567
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:24,690
in Nostra to zap.

1568
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:26,570
You can't just zap an RSS feed, but,

1569
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:28,370
but that's not what I'm talking about, Eric.

1570
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:29,630
That's not what I'm talking about either.

1571
00:54:30,070 --> 00:54:30,170
No.

1572
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:30,490
Yeah.

1573
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:32,650
What I, Eric, what I'm saying is in,

1574
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:37,030
is that if, if Adam is talking about

1575
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:42,050
allowing people, allowing people to bring a Nostra

1576
00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:45,290
wallet sort of connection, like I have a

1577
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:47,350
Nostra identity that has a wallet in it

1578
00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:49,230
and I over in primal and I want

1579
00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:52,130
to go over here and do this, do

1580
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:55,070
this thing on this podcast app, I could

1581
00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:56,830
just bring the identity with me.

1582
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:59,770
And since it's LNURLP, I should be able

1583
00:54:59,770 --> 00:55:01,550
to do to, to make that work.

1584
00:55:01,810 --> 00:55:02,050
Exactly.

1585
00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:03,750
That's what I'm talking about.

1586
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:06,590
Unless, unless primal, and this could be the

1587
00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:09,390
case, unless primal is doing something proprietary.

1588
00:55:10,530 --> 00:55:11,170
Could be.

1589
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:12,250
It's very possible.

1590
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:13,010
I have no idea.

1591
00:55:14,170 --> 00:55:14,370
Yeah.

1592
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:16,390
But if they're just using Strikes API, well

1593
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:20,010
then, you know, podcast apps should be able

1594
00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:20,590
to do that too.

1595
00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:24,930
I'll throw a wrench into the, into the

1596
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:25,330
machine.

1597
00:55:25,850 --> 00:55:27,190
Did you follow this?

1598
00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:30,430
Did you follow this rumble announcement that they

1599
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:33,750
got a $775 million investment from Tether?

1600
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:37,550
No, that's an odd.

1601
00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:38,850
How much?

1602
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:41,150
$775 million.

1603
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:43,990
And.

1604
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:45,390
That's a lot of money.

1605
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:49,190
I can't help but think just having followed

1606
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:52,350
ever since Trump announced the strategic Bitcoin reserve

1607
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:55,310
and Senator Loomis is, you know, that bill

1608
00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:57,050
is being introduced and I think that will

1609
00:55:57,050 --> 00:55:57,530
happen.

1610
00:56:00,730 --> 00:56:03,170
And let's not get all jihadist about it.

1611
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:04,830
Just, I'm talking to the boardroom.

1612
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:07,610
Let's just talk about reality and what's happening.

1613
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:11,870
It is very possible that the United States

1614
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:20,310
will create currency by allowing companies such as

1615
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:23,530
Tether, which will be run through Canterfix Gerald,

1616
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:25,190
I think, you know, there's going to be

1617
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:27,190
a lot of stable coins and Trump, even

1618
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:29,170
Trump, Trump is a meta guy.

1619
00:56:29,290 --> 00:56:30,390
People don't realize this.

1620
00:56:30,910 --> 00:56:35,010
When he said, I like the Bitcoin and

1621
00:56:35,010 --> 00:56:40,070
the stable coins, he sees the capability, because,

1622
00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:42,190
you know, Tether is backed by Bitcoin.

1623
00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:43,870
It's backed by treasuries.

1624
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:47,830
Are they like one of the top three

1625
00:56:47,830 --> 00:56:48,490
holders?

1626
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:50,110
Yeah, I think they're the biggest holder of

1627
00:56:50,110 --> 00:56:50,490
T-bills.

1628
00:56:51,350 --> 00:56:56,250
So the concept is to give the U

1629
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:58,870
.S. dollar, to maintain the U.S. dollar's

1630
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:59,270
dominance.

1631
00:57:00,370 --> 00:57:03,690
You allow a lot of stable coin and

1632
00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:05,490
I think it'll be Tether, could be USDC.

1633
00:57:05,570 --> 00:57:05,970
I don't know.

1634
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:07,450
I don't know too much about that world,

1635
00:57:07,450 --> 00:57:12,010
but you allow them to create stable coins

1636
00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:14,490
on top of, you know, to mint stable

1637
00:57:14,490 --> 00:57:16,970
coins on top of the T-bills, which

1638
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:22,290
gives the United States an enormous advantage by

1639
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:26,950
selling debt, which is immediately monetized in U

1640
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,230
.S. dollar denominated tokens.

1641
00:57:30,550 --> 00:57:34,070
And already, I mean, you think Russia's cut

1642
00:57:34,070 --> 00:57:34,770
off from SWIFT?

1643
00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:35,770
You think it makes a difference?

1644
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:39,190
No, people are sending stable coin back and

1645
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:39,470
forth.

1646
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:42,570
And the way stable coins work, you can

1647
00:57:42,570 --> 00:57:44,750
send them on the Bitcoin blockchain.

1648
00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:48,070
You can send them on Tether, on Ether.

1649
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:50,090
You can send them through a whole bunch

1650
00:57:50,090 --> 00:57:50,990
of different blockchains.

1651
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:53,590
And I presume that with the changes that

1652
00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:55,530
were made to Lightning, they will also run

1653
00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:56,510
through the Lightning network.

1654
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:59,670
So what I'm saying here is that would

1655
00:57:59,670 --> 00:58:02,450
be very interesting and something to just keep

1656
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:05,670
tracking if the U.S. starts to make,

1657
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:08,250
because, you know, everybody wants dollars.

1658
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:10,110
Every country wants dollars.

1659
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:12,510
And if they can get these dollars easily

1660
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:17,010
and simply by getting them through blockchain and

1661
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:21,750
so the U.S. dollar through stable coins,

1662
00:58:21,870 --> 00:58:25,070
you know, maintains its dominance as it's pegged

1663
00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:27,650
as the world currency.

1664
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:31,690
Basically with, I think in an odd way,

1665
00:58:31,850 --> 00:58:35,790
with Bitcoin being the settlement layer, that's something

1666
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:38,870
we need to track because if people start

1667
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:41,650
to, and I think there's been a lot

1668
00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:44,470
of talk that Strike even uses stable coins

1669
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:45,810
to send stuff back and forth.

1670
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:48,510
I don't know the details of it, but

1671
00:58:48,510 --> 00:58:51,770
it's something to track that we may or

1672
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:52,290
may not.

1673
00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:54,270
I mean, I can already hear the purists

1674
00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:55,510
saying, oh no, that's no good.

1675
00:58:55,550 --> 00:58:56,290
That's a shit coin.

1676
00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,470
But my mission in life is to make

1677
00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:04,190
sure that people can get value for value.

1678
00:59:05,090 --> 00:59:06,610
And it may be something we need to

1679
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:08,550
be tracking to look at of stable coin.

1680
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:10,190
And it can, I think it can run

1681
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:11,110
over the Lightning network.

1682
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:14,310
So the things that we're doing are important

1683
00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:16,050
for the future, but we have to be

1684
00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:16,330
open.

1685
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:18,330
I think we should be open to looking

1686
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:21,310
at all the different flavors of that value

1687
00:59:21,310 --> 00:59:22,950
transfer that are coming down the pipe.

1688
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:31,220
What, what are the T-bill, what kinds

1689
00:59:31,220 --> 00:59:32,380
of T-bills are they holding?

1690
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:33,840
Are they like three to five year?

1691
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,840
I think very short term, very short term,

1692
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:37,220
I think.

1693
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:37,440
Yeah.

1694
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:38,300
Very short term.

1695
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,680
So like three months, something like that?

1696
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:41,860
Yes.

1697
00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:42,280
Three months.

1698
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:42,540
Yeah.

1699
00:59:45,140 --> 00:59:49,180
This, this might be, uh, this sort of

1700
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:52,540
feels like we're on the verge of like,

1701
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,920
um, what we'd call it Bretton woods three.

1702
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:58,580
There's always been talk of that.

1703
00:59:58,740 --> 00:59:59,920
Yeah, absolutely.

1704
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:00,840
Absolutely.

1705
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,420
There's something fun.

1706
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,280
The fact that a, the fact that a,

1707
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:13,160
that a crypto currency company can become the

1708
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,780
number one holder of treasury bonds of treasury

1709
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:17,260
bills.

1710
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,520
That is weird.

1711
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:22,740
Would nobody tell me you saw that coming

1712
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:24,260
five years ago?

1713
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,520
No, no, did not see it at all,

1714
01:00:26,580 --> 01:00:31,720
but it makes total sense because if, if

1715
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,080
we are, I think it's twofold.

1716
01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:36,380
I truly believe if the United States were

1717
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:38,640
to turn all those stupid AI debt data

1718
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,540
centers into Bitcoin mining centers, which will, I,

1719
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:44,140
I have the theory that will eventually happen.

1720
01:00:45,060 --> 01:00:49,640
Um, backing your stable coin, your us dollar

1721
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,440
denominated stable coin on that and a short

1722
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,080
term us debt keeps the United States as

1723
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,980
the King of the world without having to

1724
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:04,020
continuously go blow people's countries up for oil

1725
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:04,720
and other things.

1726
01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:07,420
Cause all that, all that is, that's no

1727
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:08,600
longer an advantage.

1728
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:09,980
Yeah.

1729
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,100
You know?

1730
01:01:11,260 --> 01:01:11,520
Yeah.

1731
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:12,000
Yeah.

1732
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:12,380
Yeah.

1733
01:01:12,780 --> 01:01:13,400
I agree.

1734
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,880
So a non-war, a non, Hey, a

1735
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,220
non-war backed currency.

1736
01:01:17,380 --> 01:01:17,940
Sign me up.

1737
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:18,320
Yeah.

1738
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,080
I mean, I really care.

1739
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:19,700
I'm with you.

1740
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:21,160
I kind of don't care what it's, what

1741
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,560
it is, you know, with you on that.

1742
01:01:23,260 --> 01:01:25,100
So it's just something to keep, keep an

1743
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:25,540
eye on.

1744
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,900
Um, uh, I'm, I'm not sure where it's

1745
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:31,160
going, but I can feel it.

1746
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:33,040
I can just feel like something's going on.

1747
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,320
That's, that's, yeah, that's, that's interesting.

1748
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,660
Cause we, we, we don't really know, I'm

1749
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:41,060
like you, I think, I think there was

1750
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:42,660
the big, the strategic reserve thing.

1751
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:43,720
I think that will happen.

1752
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:49,040
Um, and, and if it does, that tells

1753
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,440
you, I mean, those things don't just happen.

1754
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,200
They don't just happen.

1755
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:58,620
They have, um, it will, you know, this

1756
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:00,340
is actually, this is funny.

1757
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,220
Cause I'm, I'm doing this thing that I

1758
01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:04,180
thought of like, when I was listening to

1759
01:02:04,180 --> 01:02:06,740
the, to the Sir Libra's like clips about

1760
01:02:06,740 --> 01:02:10,180
the troll room, uh, that, that, um, fake

1761
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:11,060
podcast.

1762
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,860
Um, you know, I had posted something earlier

1763
01:02:14,860 --> 01:02:16,720
in the week that the world is not

1764
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,080
prepared for LLM powered fishing emails.

1765
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,200
It's not, it's not, it's not.

1766
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:26,080
Here's how, here's how this, and I'll, I'll

1767
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,900
promise I'll tie this in here.

1768
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:30,780
Here's how this will go at some point

1769
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:31,260
in the future.

1770
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,180
Um, you're going to have how, how it

1771
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:40,620
works now, the most insidious of phishing scams.

1772
01:02:41,260 --> 01:02:43,240
Um, and this would be, these would be

1773
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,320
like a business email compromise scams or somebody's

1774
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,780
office three 65 credentials get compromised.

1775
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,400
The hacker logs into their mailbox, takes over

1776
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,300
their, their office, their, uh, uh, hosted exchange

1777
01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:01,920
mailbox, start sending out emails to their people

1778
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,280
in their contacts list gleaning.

1779
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:06,160
Uh, they, they look back through their email

1780
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,460
history and so then they insert themselves into

1781
01:03:11,460 --> 01:03:15,600
a prior conversation so that it is very

1782
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,260
hard to detect that this is a new

1783
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:23,060
actor who's just entered the mix and is

1784
01:03:23,060 --> 01:03:25,340
now, you know, it's, you're not talking to

1785
01:03:25,340 --> 01:03:27,140
the real person anymore because it's coming from

1786
01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:27,720
their mailbox.

1787
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,320
All the stuff checks out and they're using,

1788
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:35,580
they're replying to threads that previously exist on

1789
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:36,820
your side and their side.

1790
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Very difficult.

1791
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:40,940
The only thing that gives it away is

1792
01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:43,620
a lot of times they don't, they don't

1793
01:03:43,620 --> 01:03:45,480
talk the same and they use sort of

1794
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,200
giveaways.

1795
01:03:47,420 --> 01:03:50,280
This, the LLMs could go in there and

1796
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,660
just make a, build a quick local model

1797
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:56,360
of everything in that person's mailbox, every sent

1798
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,000
item that person has ever sent so that

1799
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,860
it's speaking exactly like this person would speak.

1800
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:07,140
And that is something no scam, no scanning

1801
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:10,760
filter, no, no fishing filter, no heuristics are

1802
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:11,760
going to catch it.

1803
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,040
No, unless you have an AI on the

1804
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,920
other side, which is going to have to

1805
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,060
sort through it and confine the, uh, the

1806
01:04:19,060 --> 01:04:20,240
anomalies.

1807
01:04:20,460 --> 01:04:21,080
Oh yeah.

1808
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,320
I mean, it's going to get, it's going

1809
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,900
to be bad and also it's going to

1810
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:27,200
be bad, but also people fall for the

1811
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:27,760
dumbest things.

1812
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,760
It's pig butchering people, you know, and it's

1813
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,460
not just men.

1814
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,100
I've learned a lot of women fall for

1815
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:37,520
these things, particularly middle-aged older women who

1816
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,240
think they found a new friend and they

1817
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,120
fall in love.

1818
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:42,480
And, you know, it's always the, the sex

1819
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,980
organs that, uh, that make the blood drain

1820
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:45,680
from the brain.

1821
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,060
I'll send you money.

1822
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:48,980
I'll help you out.

1823
01:04:49,060 --> 01:04:49,260
Sure.

1824
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:49,920
No problem.

1825
01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:54,720
There's this, uh, guy, there's this guy named,

1826
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,800
uh, Ian McGilchrist.

1827
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:57,720
Have you heard of him?

1828
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,280
I don't think so.

1829
01:04:59,940 --> 01:05:00,760
He wrote a book.

1830
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:01,980
He's written a few books.

1831
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,720
He's, uh, I think he's, I think he's

1832
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:04,800
made, he's out of the UK.

1833
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,680
I'm not sure what university he's maybe Oxford.

1834
01:05:07,860 --> 01:05:10,780
I don't know, but he, he wrote a

1835
01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:13,020
book, he wrote sort of, he wrote a

1836
01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:14,840
very scholarly work and then he wrote sort

1837
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,120
of a, um, a more accessible book.

1838
01:05:19,220 --> 01:05:22,460
Um, the, the, the scholarly work, it's like

1839
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:23,180
two volumes.

1840
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,340
I don't remember the name of it, but

1841
01:05:24,340 --> 01:05:28,040
then the sort of condensed, more accessible version

1842
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,500
of that work, um, is called the master

1843
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:31,300
and his emissary.

1844
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:35,140
And it's about the mind, the human mind

1845
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:36,040
and the brain.

1846
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,340
And this guy is a, uh, what you

1847
01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:40,720
might call a substance dualist.

1848
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,860
I mean, he, he believes substance dualist.

1849
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:44,120
Yeah.

1850
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,600
I call people that all the time.

1851
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:46,960
What does that even mean?

1852
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:50,240
Like that, that, that, that humans are based

1853
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,580
are, are two substances.

1854
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:56,020
They're a metaphysical substance and a physical substance.

1855
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,500
So you're, you're a mind and a brain.

1856
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,660
You're not just a brain, you know?

1857
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,580
And so the, the, the, you is, is,

1858
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,120
is the synthesis of these two substances.

1859
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,820
And he, so this, you know, he, he

1860
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:16,060
makes the point, uh, it's a very good

1861
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:16,380
book.

1862
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,280
I mean, he makes the point that we

1863
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,100
humans are meaning makers.

1864
01:06:22,540 --> 01:06:25,520
We, we are the only things in the

1865
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,840
universe that do that.

1866
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:31,720
We give, we, we give everything meaning, we

1867
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:32,560
can't stop it.

1868
01:06:32,660 --> 01:06:36,620
It's a, we are, it is a fundamental

1869
01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:39,620
core aspect of what being a human is

1870
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:42,020
because it is the thing that makes us,

1871
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,440
it is the thing that makes us distinct

1872
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,720
as we give, we give meaning to things.

1873
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:49,040
Remember, you know, remember, you know, we talked

1874
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,700
about this before, this deep, uh, philosophy when

1875
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:52,660
you get into meaning.

1876
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:54,040
Yeah.

1877
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,740
And about we've, we talked about aboutness the,

1878
01:06:58,740 --> 01:07:02,120
the aboutness is a property is a non

1879
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,000
-physical property.

1880
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,760
This only possessed by the human mind for

1881
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,320
our, for our Canadian listeners.

1882
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:08,440
That's a bootiness.

1883
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,460
That's right.

1884
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,060
Hoser.

1885
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,080
The, a bootiness is a, is a, is

1886
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,980
a property of thoughts and functions of the

1887
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:23,540
human mind.

1888
01:07:23,620 --> 01:07:25,900
We think about things, we give things meaning

1889
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:27,860
and video.

1890
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,580
I was kind of musing on this a

1891
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:31,260
little bit yesterday.

1892
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,300
Video doesn't have this quality to it.

1893
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:38,600
Like television, you know, the dumbing down of

1894
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,400
the, of the American mind or whatever, you

1895
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,840
know, this video or musing ourselves to death

1896
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,920
or whatever that book was.

1897
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:45,300
Yes.

1898
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:45,460
Yeah.

1899
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,560
Neil Postman.

1900
01:07:46,860 --> 01:07:47,060
Yeah.

1901
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:52,000
Uh, television, television makes you this sort of

1902
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,760
alpha wave zombie.

1903
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:54,960
Totally.

1904
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,560
Where you turn off most of the features

1905
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:00,340
of your mind.

1906
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:06,020
Um, we watch something happen and then we

1907
01:08:06,020 --> 01:08:08,880
tell ourselves after the fact, we tell ourselves

1908
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,700
a story about what we saw.

1909
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,420
Um, so like you've, you've, we watch a

1910
01:08:15,420 --> 01:08:18,479
movie and during the movie, you were just

1911
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,340
experiencing the series of images and sounds.

1912
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,580
Then after you have the, and people, people

1913
01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:27,600
express this in different ways.

1914
01:08:27,819 --> 01:08:29,840
Sometimes they'll say, okay, I just need a

1915
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,120
minute to process this.

1916
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,319
You hear people say that after they've seen

1917
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,140
something, something very moving, or are they something

1918
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:38,819
they thought was important and what they, what

1919
01:08:38,819 --> 01:08:41,200
they're actually doing is they're saying, I need

1920
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,620
to think about this in order for me

1921
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:44,740
to understand it.

1922
01:08:45,340 --> 01:08:47,180
I have to think about what I saw

1923
01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:50,100
and tell myself a story about that thing.

1924
01:08:50,779 --> 01:08:52,600
That's how we understand things.

1925
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,939
And the storytelling is the infusion of meaning

1926
01:08:55,939 --> 01:08:58,760
into a thing so that we can understand

1927
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,939
what that thing is.

1928
01:09:00,140 --> 01:09:02,359
And you feel that, and this may be

1929
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:06,540
just true, that with, with watching video creates

1930
01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:08,859
this alpha state and audio is different.

1931
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,460
I believe audio is different.

1932
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,080
I believe it too.

1933
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,220
I just never thought of it in this

1934
01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:14,740
context.

1935
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:16,540
I had neither until yesterday.

1936
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,800
Audio is different because we're process, we are

1937
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,640
assigning meaning as in real time.

1938
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,580
We are participating in the process.

1939
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:32,160
The troll room and us are, we're going

1940
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,200
back and you know, and for the board,

1941
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,040
the boardroom and the two of us are

1942
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:36,899
going back and forth.

1943
01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:38,920
We're all participating in this thing together.

1944
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,880
Even though they're not talking, they're listening and

1945
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,399
they're, they are assigning this meaning as we,

1946
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,140
as we go along.

1947
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,080
The V, if we did a video podcast,

1948
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,660
like they, this would not be the same

1949
01:09:54,660 --> 01:09:55,300
dynamic.

1950
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,140
So the LLM stuff, the, the reason this

1951
01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:04,300
came up to me is because the LLM

1952
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:07,920
stuff is worse than television because it doesn't

1953
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,120
just, it doesn't just turn off this meaning

1954
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,000
making process.

1955
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,720
It hijacks it.

1956
01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:17,220
It turned, it took like that, that fake

1957
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:18,300
podcast we listened to.

1958
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:22,280
It, it jacks in directly to this meaning

1959
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,060
making procedure in our, in, in us and

1960
01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:30,800
distorts it because it starts assigning meaning with

1961
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,400
some random algorithm to the things that we,

1962
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,420
that we're hearing.

1963
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,280
And it, it, it pushes, it's like it

1964
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,920
derails the entire process.

1965
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:40,360
We, before you know it, you don't even

1966
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,900
know what you're listening to anymore.

1967
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:45,540
Um, that's, wow, that's deep.

1968
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:46,400
That's good.

1969
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:46,940
It's deep.

1970
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:47,440
It's good.

1971
01:10:48,140 --> 01:10:49,600
Is Dave taking drugs?

1972
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,280
Well, I'm eating cashews.

1973
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:54,280
So on that, on that note, so I

1974
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,720
was listening to Rogan with Mel Gibson yesterday.

1975
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:00,560
I watched for a little bit, you know,

1976
01:11:00,580 --> 01:11:02,580
just, just to see what he looked like

1977
01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:05,000
and, you know, but then I, I find

1978
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,900
that I have the YouTube app, so I

1979
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:07,760
just turn it off.

1980
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,120
And then when I walk, I switch over

1981
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,880
to the podcast audio version, which by the

1982
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,580
way, it's the interruptions in the middle of

1983
01:11:15,580 --> 01:11:18,420
the, of the conversation, the minerals.

1984
01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:20,180
Oh, it's not, it's not even mid-roll.

1985
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,820
I got a pre-roll and then no,

1986
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:24,960
it starts off with the podcast.

1987
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,100
Then about a minute in you get an

1988
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:29,480
ad and then it rolls for about four

1989
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:30,720
minutes, another ad.

1990
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,500
And then you don't get a whole thing.

1991
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:34,460
Then the whole show goes until a post

1992
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:34,680
-roll.

1993
01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:37,180
It's just like, wow, that's really super annoying.

1994
01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:39,340
Um, but so I was listening.

1995
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:41,880
You've seen Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson's

1996
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:42,160
movie.

1997
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:43,420
Yeah.

1998
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:44,180
A long time ago.

1999
01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:46,120
Now, do you, do you remember, what do

2000
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,620
you remember about that movie?

2001
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:52,200
Um, let me see.

2002
01:11:52,460 --> 01:11:55,720
I remember, well, okay.

2003
01:11:55,740 --> 01:11:57,880
I remember some things around the movie.

2004
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,220
I remember, well, see the movie itself.

2005
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,500
I remember some images from it around the

2006
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:03,720
movie.

2007
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,160
I know that it was very controversial.

2008
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,100
Um, there's a lot of, because it was

2009
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,720
so bloody and that kind of stuff.

2010
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,040
But I remember in during the movie, I

2011
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,940
remember the crown of thorns scene.

2012
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,140
Do you remember, do you remember that all

2013
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,500
the actors exclusively spoke Aramaic and it was

2014
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:24,200
subtitled?

2015
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,260
Yes, I do remember that.

2016
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:29,380
And Gibson had this whole theory.

2017
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:30,980
He said, cause he's doing, he's done a

2018
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:32,080
couple of movies like this.

2019
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:33,220
He's doing another one.

2020
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,360
And he says, it's such a different experience.

2021
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,420
Now for me, it's very comfortable to watch

2022
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:41,340
television or a movie and read subtitles.

2023
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:42,640
Cause I grew up with it in the

2024
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:42,980
Netherlands.

2025
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,460
Every English movie was subtitled.

2026
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,760
So I'm very comfortable.

2027
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,380
I think most people today are comfortable with

2028
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:52,000
captions and young people, especially.

2029
01:12:52,180 --> 01:12:52,520
Yes.

2030
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,760
And I noticed that I often find myself,

2031
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,220
even listening to pod news daily, reading along

2032
01:13:01,220 --> 01:13:02,020
with the transcript.

2033
01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:03,780
And I think it sinks in better.

2034
01:13:06,230 --> 01:13:07,910
You know, this is, this is that, you

2035
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:10,490
know, that research that has come out, I

2036
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:13,350
think in multiple, multiple studies that says, if

2037
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:15,610
you write, if you take notes with like

2038
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:18,890
a pen, that it actually, you remember it

2039
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:19,150
more.

2040
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:21,170
This is why I journal every day on

2041
01:13:21,170 --> 01:13:22,730
my remarkable smart pad.

2042
01:13:23,950 --> 01:13:26,150
Is it, is the, the other movie he

2043
01:13:26,150 --> 01:13:26,690
did that way?

2044
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:28,410
Wasn't it at that one about South, like

2045
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:29,150
South American?

2046
01:13:31,810 --> 01:13:32,250
Yes.

2047
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:33,970
Can you do a movie about South American

2048
01:13:33,970 --> 01:13:35,530
Indian tribes?

2049
01:13:35,890 --> 01:13:36,090
Yes.

2050
01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:36,530
Yes.

2051
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:37,790
Okay.

2052
01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:38,530
All right.

2053
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:40,250
That's interesting.

2054
01:13:40,510 --> 01:13:42,070
I never thought about that, but I do

2055
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:44,150
remember that that was a big deal because

2056
01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:47,810
that was like, it was because Aramaic, I

2057
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:48,990
think it's a dead language, right?

2058
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:51,710
I haven't spoken it in a while.

2059
01:13:55,190 --> 01:13:57,050
Not at least since high school, right?

2060
01:13:58,050 --> 01:14:00,990
My buddy, Jimmy can, he has quite a

2061
01:14:00,990 --> 01:14:01,870
deep knowledge of it.

2062
01:14:02,830 --> 01:14:03,290
Oh, does he?

2063
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:04,170
It may not be.

2064
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:05,430
I may be completely wrong.

2065
01:14:05,490 --> 01:14:06,430
It may be a living language.

2066
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:07,890
I just don't know.

2067
01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:08,830
I mean, you never hear it.

2068
01:14:08,830 --> 01:14:10,310
Well, it's, it's, you know, a lot of

2069
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:12,390
the original language of the Bible was Greek

2070
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:13,110
Aramaic.

2071
01:14:14,510 --> 01:14:15,950
You know, there's a lot of, a lot

2072
01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:16,270
of stuff.

2073
01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:16,750
Jesus spoke Aramaic.

2074
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:17,750
Yeah, Jesus spoke Aramaic.

2075
01:14:18,230 --> 01:14:18,870
Yeah, exactly.

2076
01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:21,250
Wow.

2077
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:22,270
Where do we go from here?

2078
01:14:22,370 --> 01:14:23,250
We've gone so deep.

2079
01:14:23,290 --> 01:14:23,890
Where do we go?

2080
01:14:24,010 --> 01:14:24,910
I don't know if I can pull us

2081
01:14:24,910 --> 01:14:25,990
out of this, out of this hole.

2082
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:28,910
Oh, deep thought hole.

2083
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:30,350
Oh, the deep thought.

2084
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:35,330
I don't, let's see, we got, how much

2085
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:35,910
time we got?

2086
01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:37,890
I did want to say one thing about

2087
01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:38,270
Noster.

2088
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:44,350
I just resist it.

2089
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:46,790
It's the dumbest marketing I've ever heard.

2090
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:48,490
It's stupid.

2091
01:14:49,810 --> 01:14:52,170
You know, I'm censorship resistant.

2092
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:55,370
I mean, Facebook is censorship resistant.

2093
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:59,130
You know, I have a water resistant watch.

2094
01:14:59,690 --> 01:15:03,070
You know, it's like, it's, it's, it's, there's

2095
01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:04,750
a lot of things that Noster is.

2096
01:15:05,090 --> 01:15:07,830
Censorship resistant is just bad marketing.

2097
01:15:08,050 --> 01:15:09,750
I don't have a better suggestion right now,

2098
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:10,890
but I just wanted to put that out

2099
01:15:10,890 --> 01:15:11,110
there.

2100
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:12,670
The more I think about it, I'm like,

2101
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:14,150
oh gosh, I hate this term.

2102
01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:14,950
Censorship resistant.

2103
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:17,390
Everything can be, everything can be censored.

2104
01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:20,030
Resistant is a meaningless term.

2105
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:20,490
Yes.

2106
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:20,930
Thank you.

2107
01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:22,070
Exactly.

2108
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:24,730
Do you want to thank some people considering

2109
01:15:24,730 --> 01:15:25,470
your time?

2110
01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:30,750
Oh, I did want to mention it's, although

2111
01:15:30,750 --> 01:15:32,330
I won't use it.

2112
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:36,550
And as a specialized app, which you know,

2113
01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:38,790
I'm, I'm all, I'm all for specialized podcast

2114
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:41,090
apps, always have been, will continue to be

2115
01:15:41,090 --> 01:15:47,130
true fans using secure RSS is definitely interesting

2116
01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:48,490
for what they're trying to do.

2117
01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:52,430
The secure RSS where you can like a

2118
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:53,210
L4 or two.

2119
01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:53,650
Yeah.

2120
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:55,330
The L4, you can purchase something.

2121
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:58,130
If not something I'm interested in, but I

2122
01:15:58,130 --> 01:16:00,230
think it is a very interesting development.

2123
01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:01,650
I like it a lot.

2124
01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:04,330
And I'm interested to see what kind of

2125
01:16:04,330 --> 01:16:06,930
uptake it gets because it is in essence,

2126
01:16:07,090 --> 01:16:09,010
an open protocol type system.

2127
01:16:09,310 --> 01:16:10,410
I like all that.

2128
01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:13,370
I think people are selling themselves short.

2129
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:17,870
It's, it's also not really what podcasting ever

2130
01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:18,710
was supposed to be.

2131
01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:21,570
Podcasting never had a business model in that

2132
01:16:21,570 --> 01:16:21,970
regard.

2133
01:16:23,370 --> 01:16:25,750
But I, I, I do want to just

2134
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:29,690
say that's interesting, interesting stuff, interesting stuff for

2135
01:16:29,690 --> 01:16:29,950
sure.

2136
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:30,890
Yeah.

2137
01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:31,210
I agree.

2138
01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:33,190
I like, I like that a lot, but

2139
01:16:33,190 --> 01:16:35,490
I like just having the ability to sell

2140
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:37,530
content if you want to, like you said,

2141
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:39,870
it's not, it's not my thing, but I

2142
01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:42,170
think, I think for pod, I think for

2143
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:44,490
podcasting to be complete, it needs that.

2144
01:16:44,690 --> 01:16:44,790
Yeah.

2145
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:45,270
Yeah.

2146
01:16:45,490 --> 01:16:45,770
Yeah.

2147
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:48,730
I mean, people have subscriptions, people have private

2148
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:49,750
RSS feeds.

2149
01:16:49,890 --> 01:16:51,850
I mean, it's, yeah, it's, it's interesting and

2150
01:16:51,850 --> 01:16:53,570
I, and I hope it's very successful for

2151
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:53,830
them.

2152
01:16:53,950 --> 01:16:56,630
Again, not, not for me, but I hope

2153
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:57,870
that's very successful for them.

2154
01:16:58,570 --> 01:16:58,990
Yeah, me too.

2155
01:16:59,710 --> 01:17:02,190
And with that, I'm going to give you

2156
01:17:02,190 --> 01:17:02,790
a couple of songs.

2157
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:03,530
What?

2158
01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:04,790
No, no, no, no.

2159
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:05,650
We don't have time for songs.

2160
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:07,530
No, this, this new time that you have,

2161
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:08,530
we don't have time for songs.

2162
01:17:09,230 --> 01:17:10,210
Oh, I'm sorry.

2163
01:17:10,810 --> 01:17:11,070
Yeah.

2164
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:11,750
Well, you should be.

2165
01:17:11,890 --> 01:17:12,950
It's, it's, I feel bad.

2166
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:14,110
It's blasphemy, man.

2167
01:17:14,170 --> 01:17:14,750
I can't believe it.

2168
01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:15,930
I've ruined the show.

2169
01:17:16,150 --> 01:17:17,210
You have ruined the format.

2170
01:17:17,790 --> 01:17:19,570
We got Lyceum coming in with a row

2171
01:17:19,570 --> 01:17:21,450
of ducks, 22, 22, writing.

2172
01:17:24,330 --> 01:17:25,210
That's Boobury.

2173
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:26,490
I'll get to Boobury in a second.

2174
01:17:27,670 --> 01:17:29,410
Uh, writing a comment with a payment on

2175
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:29,870
TrueFans.

2176
01:17:29,970 --> 01:17:32,250
Had a great conversation with Sam Sethi, Sethi

2177
01:17:32,250 --> 01:17:34,270
together with my co-host, Deborah Anderson.

2178
01:17:34,710 --> 01:17:36,850
New podcast in the making, Studio Fusion.

2179
01:17:37,230 --> 01:17:38,290
All the best from Martin.

2180
01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:39,130
Very nice.

2181
01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:43,170
Uh, there's Boobury, 17,776 sats.

2182
01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:43,870
Thank you very much.

2183
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:52,410
I'm beyond, uh, Enceladus, E-N-C-E

2184
01:17:52,410 --> 01:17:53,470
-L-A-D-U-S.

2185
01:17:54,230 --> 01:17:54,970
I don't know.

2186
01:17:55,630 --> 01:17:57,570
For how things have come, for how things

2187
01:17:57,570 --> 01:17:59,390
have come together for, for Sunday.

2188
01:17:59,590 --> 01:18:03,550
Ah, visual artists, musicians, programmers, video editors, models

2189
01:18:03,550 --> 01:18:07,410
all coalesced together this Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday,

2190
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:09,730
4 p.m. Central for The Embrace.

2191
01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:10,950
LiveIsLit.com.

2192
01:18:11,010 --> 01:18:11,190
Yes.

2193
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:12,850
Is that, that's a satellite skirmish.

2194
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:14,490
Elated.

2195
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:15,270
Maybe he meant elated.

2196
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:16,250
I think he meant elated.

2197
01:18:16,350 --> 01:18:16,610
Yes.

2198
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:19,950
Which comes in, uh, right after the No

2199
01:18:19,950 --> 01:18:20,630
Agenda show.

2200
01:18:21,970 --> 01:18:24,110
Uh, Dee's Laughs, who you just heard boost

2201
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:24,870
in 321.

2202
01:18:25,330 --> 01:18:26,670
ITM never missed a board meeting.

2203
01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:28,770
My fountain app too is acting funny.

2204
01:18:29,230 --> 01:18:31,350
Then I think about the saying, I'm surprised

2205
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:33,490
any of this works at all, especially since

2206
01:18:33,490 --> 01:18:34,770
I'm in Canada, eh?

2207
01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:37,770
In Toronto, I believe.

2208
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:40,370
3330 from Chad F.

2209
01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:40,950
Stephen B.

2210
01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:42,190
and Hazard 149.

2211
01:18:42,190 --> 01:18:44,930
We're on bowl after bowl, episode 361, talking

2212
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:48,770
all things Nosker and podcasting 2.0. Yeah,

2213
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:50,290
that's, uh, I have that on my list

2214
01:18:50,290 --> 01:18:51,010
to listen to.

2215
01:18:51,490 --> 01:18:53,270
Dreb Scott, 1234, boost, boost, boost.

2216
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:55,150
Dreb never gets enough credit for all the

2217
01:18:55,150 --> 01:18:57,150
wonderful work he does on chapters for thousands

2218
01:18:57,150 --> 01:18:57,850
of podcasts.

2219
01:18:57,970 --> 01:18:58,750
It's much appreciated.

2220
01:18:59,430 --> 01:19:00,970
Salty Crayon, 808.

2221
01:19:01,330 --> 01:19:02,110
Howdy, Dave and Adam.

2222
01:19:02,270 --> 01:19:03,750
Threw an idea at Stephen B.

2223
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:04,370
last week.

2224
01:19:04,690 --> 01:19:06,790
If nodes are the ledgers of the blockchain

2225
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:08,950
and run the lightning network, could we build

2226
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:10,870
our own nodes and back up the index

2227
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:11,610
on a node?

2228
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:13,890
And if so, would it sink to the

2229
01:19:13,890 --> 01:19:15,930
changes made at the core of the index

2230
01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:16,950
IDK?

2231
01:19:17,470 --> 01:19:19,690
I'm just an IT guy with a podcast.

2232
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:21,710
What do I know in the pipe?

2233
01:19:24,450 --> 01:19:27,290
Wow, that's an interesting thought.

2234
01:19:28,010 --> 01:19:32,750
I've got like next week, I think I

2235
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:34,370
want to start talking a little bit about

2236
01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:38,350
some index stuff because, um, I've got some

2237
01:19:38,350 --> 01:19:45,350
ideas about, um, if I've been trying to

2238
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:48,250
get pod ping D, uh, that's Alex's pod

2239
01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:51,470
ping D, uh, popping, um, storage Damon.

2240
01:19:52,330 --> 01:19:52,430
Yeah.

2241
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:54,410
So I want to go, I want to

2242
01:19:54,410 --> 01:19:57,110
start distributing that to different places.

2243
01:19:58,790 --> 01:20:01,310
Um, and I've been talking, I'm going back

2244
01:20:01,310 --> 01:20:04,590
and forth, uh, with, uh, with Alex, uh,

2245
01:20:04,590 --> 01:20:07,130
we're working out some issues with trying to

2246
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:10,110
get the, um, he put object storage in,

2247
01:20:10,330 --> 01:20:12,230
he baked it into the, to the process,

2248
01:20:12,230 --> 01:20:15,610
to the, to the, um, to the, to

2249
01:20:15,610 --> 01:20:16,050
the Damon.

2250
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:16,550
Yeah.

2251
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:18,130
He baked it in.

2252
01:20:18,170 --> 01:20:21,590
And so I've got, I'm using Linode and

2253
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:23,770
we're getting, we finally figured out it's giving

2254
01:20:23,770 --> 01:20:25,630
us some, an SSL certificate issue.

2255
01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:27,950
So, um, I know, I think I know

2256
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:28,870
how to fix that now.

2257
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:30,510
I think we worked, we worked out that

2258
01:20:30,510 --> 01:20:31,230
out this morning.

2259
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:31,690
Okay.

2260
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:34,990
And so I'm going to get that working

2261
01:20:34,990 --> 01:20:39,390
this week and start pushing, uh, pod pings

2262
01:20:39,390 --> 01:20:40,370
to object storage.

2263
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:43,790
So it would hopefully make, make it easier

2264
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:46,810
for people to, uh, to track that data,

2265
01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:49,410
you know, as in their own, however they

2266
01:20:49,410 --> 01:20:50,110
see fit.

2267
01:20:50,150 --> 01:20:50,790
I like it.

2268
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:54,090
But yeah, so that's one, that's one thing,

2269
01:20:54,290 --> 01:20:58,010
uh, getting sort of back into index work

2270
01:20:59,470 --> 01:21:03,130
is, uh, is the pod ping D, uh,

2271
01:21:03,150 --> 01:21:03,830
rollout.

2272
01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:07,830
And then, uh, other people can, once we

2273
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:10,290
have the bucket in place, that's going to

2274
01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:13,930
store the pod, the pod ping data, uh,

2275
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:16,730
then other people can mirror that bucket if

2276
01:21:16,730 --> 01:21:17,250
they want to.

2277
01:21:17,290 --> 01:21:18,890
And so we can have that be distributed.

2278
01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:20,770
So there's not a single point of failure.

2279
01:21:21,890 --> 01:21:25,530
And then, um, but, but I have, which

2280
01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:28,530
is basically a way to build the index

2281
01:21:29,550 --> 01:21:31,170
or build an index.

2282
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:32,650
Uh, huh.

2283
01:21:32,650 --> 01:21:32,790
Yeah.

2284
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:36,490
You could re you could replay that to

2285
01:21:36,490 --> 01:21:38,190
find feeds and do it.

2286
01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:38,310
Yeah.

2287
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,630
You, you could do a lot of stuff

2288
01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:41,470
with that to just sort of like bootstrap

2289
01:21:41,470 --> 01:21:42,250
a new index.

2290
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:42,750
Nice.

2291
01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:47,490
Uh, but, but then, um, you know, to,

2292
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:52,310
to, to a degree, uh, but then what

2293
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:52,670
were you gonna say?

2294
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:53,630
No, no, go ahead.

2295
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:56,090
I'm just laughing at the scale of it.

2296
01:21:56,970 --> 01:21:57,370
Yeah.

2297
01:21:58,650 --> 01:21:59,530
To a degree.

2298
01:21:59,750 --> 01:22:00,110
Oh yeah.

2299
01:22:00,610 --> 01:22:04,190
But then there's also, I've had this idea

2300
01:22:04,190 --> 01:22:06,750
for a long time that I want to

2301
01:22:06,750 --> 01:22:08,290
begin actually working on now.

2302
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:11,430
And that is, uh, changing the way that

2303
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:14,490
the index, uh, aggregator does his polling.

2304
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:15,890
Yeah, I know you have.

2305
01:22:16,670 --> 01:22:18,670
And I'm finally, I'm, I'm ready.

2306
01:22:18,850 --> 01:22:20,930
I think I'm ready to pull the trigger

2307
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:22,790
on fleshing this out and getting this to

2308
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:25,190
work, but as a, and I'll talk about

2309
01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:26,830
this next week, but as an adjunct to

2310
01:22:26,830 --> 01:22:29,130
that, I want to, this is, that would

2311
01:22:29,130 --> 01:22:31,890
be a good time to figure out how

2312
01:22:31,890 --> 01:22:36,510
we get other people on board to support,

2313
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:39,050
to, to, I think people want to participate

2314
01:22:39,050 --> 01:22:43,590
in hosting fragments of the index or I

2315
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:44,470
don't know how to say it.

2316
01:22:44,570 --> 01:22:44,870
Oh yeah.

2317
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:45,690
Yeah, of course.

2318
01:22:45,790 --> 01:22:46,550
I certainly do.

2319
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:47,190
I'd love it.

2320
01:22:47,490 --> 01:22:48,810
Give me a start nine app, baby.

2321
01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:51,910
The old, the only, the only issue is

2322
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:55,670
whenever you, whenever you charge something and begin

2323
01:22:55,670 --> 01:22:58,930
to host parts of things in other areas

2324
01:22:58,930 --> 01:23:02,410
is those, those other pieces have to be

2325
01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:03,010
online.

2326
01:23:03,670 --> 01:23:05,810
If you say that you're going to host

2327
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:07,890
something and then you're, you know, you're, you're

2328
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:09,470
down 50% of the time, that doesn't

2329
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:09,710
work.

2330
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:10,370
That's no good.

2331
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:14,410
So decentralizing is a, it's not only complicated,

2332
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:17,170
but it also requires you to be like

2333
01:23:17,170 --> 01:23:18,170
legit and committed.

2334
01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:20,390
So we have to talk through all this.

2335
01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:22,030
Anyway, start talk.

2336
01:23:22,090 --> 01:23:23,610
Then we'll start talking that next week.

2337
01:23:23,710 --> 01:23:26,290
22,223 sats from chimp.

2338
01:23:26,370 --> 01:23:27,150
Thank you very much.

2339
01:23:27,230 --> 01:23:28,910
No note, but we appreciate it.

2340
01:23:29,010 --> 01:23:31,930
22, 22 from Oystein Berger, hyperlocal baby.

2341
01:23:32,230 --> 01:23:34,430
So what he says, and uh, is always

2342
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:36,530
seeing going to do a show after this?

2343
01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:38,510
He usually pops on after we're done.

2344
01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:41,370
Uh, 21, 21 from Macintosh.

2345
01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:43,690
He says, CSB, thanks for the kind words

2346
01:23:43,690 --> 01:23:45,790
about Satoshi's plebs last week.

2347
01:23:45,870 --> 01:23:46,430
Appreciate it.

2348
01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:47,310
Go podcasting.

2349
01:23:47,870 --> 01:23:49,750
1, 2, 3, 4 from Dreb Scott, pre

2350
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:50,250
-show boost.

2351
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:54,110
And I think that is all we have.

2352
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:56,690
Oh, uh, I don't see a delimiter.

2353
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:58,090
I think comic strip blogger, do you have

2354
01:23:58,090 --> 01:24:00,850
a problem with his, with his app?

2355
01:24:01,870 --> 01:24:03,490
I think I saw a note about that

2356
01:24:03,490 --> 01:24:03,870
somewhere.

2357
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:05,650
So I don't, I don't have a, I

2358
01:24:05,650 --> 01:24:07,010
don't have a boost from him, but I

2359
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:09,050
believe that's the delimiter for me.

2360
01:24:09,570 --> 01:24:12,550
And, uh, in our value for value efforts

2361
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:14,570
to keep everything running on the index, Dave

2362
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:16,030
was going to give us the rest of

2363
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:16,830
the support.

2364
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:20,870
Uh, no, no single, uh, one-off PayPal's

2365
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:22,790
this week, but we did have some monthlies.

2366
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:23,650
We've got Podverse.

2367
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:26,530
That's Mitch and Creon, 50 bucks.

2368
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:27,290
Nice.

2369
01:24:27,690 --> 01:24:28,610
Thank you very much.

2370
01:24:28,810 --> 01:24:29,210
Thank you.

2371
01:24:30,090 --> 01:24:33,510
Basil Philip, $25 and Mitch Downey, $10.

2372
01:24:33,710 --> 01:24:34,270
Thank you, Mitch.

2373
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:36,670
And, uh, Christopher Harabaric, $10.

2374
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:37,610
Nice.

2375
01:24:37,690 --> 01:24:38,510
Thank you all very much.

2376
01:24:38,590 --> 01:24:39,310
Appreciate that.

2377
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:41,590
Oh, I did a rip instead of a

2378
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:42,050
crumple.

2379
01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:42,330
Yeah.

2380
01:24:42,490 --> 01:24:44,110
Could you please just go back and crumple

2381
01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:44,290
that?

2382
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:44,950
There you go.

2383
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:45,470
Oh yes.

2384
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:46,070
That sounds good.

2385
01:24:46,170 --> 01:24:47,830
The curry one picks up the crumple just

2386
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:48,210
fine.

2387
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:49,230
Oh, nice.

2388
01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:50,130
Uh, let's see.

2389
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:54,370
Tone, uh, Tone Wrecker gave us 2025 stats.

2390
01:24:54,630 --> 01:24:55,210
Oh, there you go.

2391
01:24:55,230 --> 01:24:55,970
I see what you did there.

2392
01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:56,810
Through fountain.

2393
01:24:56,910 --> 01:24:58,010
He says, great to kick off the new

2394
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:59,330
year with a new episode to catch up

2395
01:24:59,330 --> 01:24:59,570
with.

2396
01:24:59,870 --> 01:25:00,230
Yes.

2397
01:25:00,350 --> 01:25:00,830
Thank you.

2398
01:25:00,890 --> 01:25:01,370
Thank you.

2399
01:25:01,370 --> 01:25:02,670
Randy Black, triple seven.

2400
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:03,430
We got it.

2401
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:05,810
Um, let's see.

2402
01:25:06,010 --> 01:25:08,990
Boobury to see Boobury through fountain.

2403
01:25:09,090 --> 01:25:10,650
He says fast approaching January 12th.

2404
01:25:11,570 --> 01:25:12,370
Satellite skirmish.

2405
01:25:12,710 --> 01:25:13,590
Polar embrace.

2406
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:15,090
Live after no agenda.

2407
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:16,970
We have both returning and familiar faces joining

2408
01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:17,510
this edition.

2409
01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:19,230
What I'm most excited for.

2410
01:25:19,650 --> 01:25:21,550
We have new boost alerts featuring the artwork

2411
01:25:21,550 --> 01:25:22,730
from the young Bolets.

2412
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:24,090
I've never put it.

2413
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:26,010
I've never put children into a value split,

2414
01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:27,970
but I'm thrilled to check it out at

2415
01:25:27,970 --> 01:25:29,270
live is lit.com.

2416
01:25:29,570 --> 01:25:30,590
Glad you liked the sign.

2417
01:25:30,670 --> 01:25:32,410
Just need to get it to get it

2418
01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:34,130
to flash on a pod ping update.

2419
01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:36,670
Well, maybe you can do that with the

2420
01:25:36,670 --> 01:25:40,130
new pod ping D or as someone said,

2421
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:41,090
the big D.

2422
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:43,990
Oh, we'll just call it the big D

2423
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:48,350
the big, the big, let's please not call

2424
01:25:48,350 --> 01:25:49,070
it the big day.

2425
01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:49,430
Okay.

2426
01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:50,690
Pod ping D got it.

2427
01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:52,550
Don't go to the big d.com.

2428
01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:56,250
Uh, Alex says Dave sound is better with

2429
01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:57,350
the changes you made earlier.

2430
01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:57,710
Adam.

2431
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:58,370
Oh, okay.

2432
01:25:58,690 --> 01:26:01,030
And what if I told you, what if

2433
01:26:01,030 --> 01:26:02,830
I told you I made no changes and

2434
01:26:02,830 --> 01:26:05,990
that's just in your mind, the theater of

2435
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:06,330
the mind.

2436
01:26:06,530 --> 01:26:06,870
That's right.

2437
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:08,710
I'm turning this button.

2438
01:26:09,090 --> 01:26:10,130
How does it sound now?

2439
01:26:10,330 --> 01:26:11,710
I do this all about now.

2440
01:26:11,890 --> 01:26:13,710
I do this with Tina with her headphones.

2441
01:26:13,950 --> 01:26:14,890
She's like, I can't hear you.

2442
01:26:14,930 --> 01:26:15,970
And I'll just touch the button.

2443
01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:16,690
I don't do anything.

2444
01:26:16,810 --> 01:26:17,390
So how about now?

2445
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:17,590
Yes.

2446
01:26:17,650 --> 01:26:17,950
Perfect.

2447
01:26:18,170 --> 01:26:18,390
Okay.

2448
01:26:19,690 --> 01:26:20,570
Don't touch it again.

2449
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:21,430
It's you nailed it.

2450
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:22,270
He's nailed it.

2451
01:26:23,210 --> 01:26:26,150
Cole McCormick, satchel of Richards through fountain.

2452
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:27,870
He says, I am burned out with listening

2453
01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:28,350
to Rogan.

2454
01:26:28,450 --> 01:26:30,730
I personally want more interviews on my podcast,

2455
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:32,330
but I want the guests to be interesting

2456
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:33,010
and not boring.

2457
01:26:33,010 --> 01:26:35,410
Solo episodes are still interesting.

2458
01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:38,350
Since we don't have a comic strip blogger,

2459
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:40,790
I'm just having to put more, more emotion

2460
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:41,930
into every boost.

2461
01:26:42,910 --> 01:26:44,550
Like I miss him.

2462
01:26:44,630 --> 01:26:46,010
I mean, this is, this is a harsh,

2463
01:26:46,450 --> 01:26:47,030
harsh reality.

2464
01:26:47,170 --> 01:26:48,850
I miss comics or blogger.

2465
01:26:48,910 --> 01:26:50,670
I miss his, uh, his boost.

2466
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:54,070
It's a, it's a cold, desolate winter.

2467
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:57,570
Gene, like Gene Everett, he sent us 33,

2468
01:26:57,690 --> 01:27:00,250
33 sats, um, through fountain.

2469
01:27:00,490 --> 01:27:08,570
He says, boost, boost, boost, anonymous 22, 22

2470
01:27:08,570 --> 01:27:09,650
sats through podverse.

2471
01:27:09,730 --> 01:27:11,610
He says, cool animated background on the live

2472
01:27:11,610 --> 01:27:12,090
stream artwork.

2473
01:27:12,250 --> 01:27:12,650
Yes.

2474
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:13,310
Yeah.

2475
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:14,530
I think that was from the last show.

2476
01:27:14,650 --> 01:27:15,930
I think that was from that, that, that

2477
01:27:15,930 --> 01:27:17,770
was a delimiter from the last show.

2478
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:18,390
Alive.

2479
01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:18,650
Okay.

2480
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:20,710
I remember the weirdest things.

2481
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:21,430
Yep.

2482
01:27:21,630 --> 01:27:22,550
And so I think that's it.

2483
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:23,190
That's all we got.

2484
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:23,890
Wow.

2485
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:25,410
You have two and a half minutes left.

2486
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:26,710
What are we going to do?

2487
01:27:26,810 --> 01:27:27,730
This is crazy.

2488
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:29,410
I show 201.

2489
01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:31,510
Oh yeah.

2490
01:27:31,610 --> 01:27:33,830
Well, yeah, but we have one hour and

2491
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:36,230
27 minutes on the podcast.

2492
01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:37,670
I mean, were you going to short change

2493
01:27:37,670 --> 01:27:38,030
us?

2494
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:42,290
Uh, well, yeah, yeah.

2495
01:27:42,510 --> 01:27:43,810
The answer is yeah.

2496
01:27:44,530 --> 01:27:49,010
The, uh, you know, yeah, let, let, let

2497
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:51,570
me, I can, I can fill two minutes.

2498
01:27:51,710 --> 01:27:52,110
Okay.

2499
01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:54,510
You know what, you know what, let me

2500
01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:57,030
just talk about this since we're talking about

2501
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:59,770
like, uh, streaming and radio and all this

2502
01:27:59,770 --> 01:28:00,170
kind of stuff.

2503
01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:04,470
Motor trend is a, is a subscription service

2504
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:06,310
that I used to subscribe that I subscribed

2505
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:07,910
to for years.

2506
01:28:08,210 --> 01:28:09,770
They had a bunch of car shows on

2507
01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:10,410
there that I liked.

2508
01:28:10,450 --> 01:28:12,570
Is that television or is that a magazine?

2509
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:14,890
It was a magazine.

2510
01:28:14,890 --> 01:28:17,150
And then they went, became a television network.

2511
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:17,450
Right.

2512
01:28:17,490 --> 01:28:18,230
That's what I remember.

2513
01:28:19,170 --> 01:28:20,770
Uh, and so then they had a bunch

2514
01:28:20,770 --> 01:28:22,110
of cool car shows on there.

2515
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:24,510
Roadkill was their most famous car show.

2516
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:27,090
It was a great show where, uh, these,

2517
01:28:27,230 --> 01:28:28,890
a couple of dudes go and they just

2518
01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:31,550
like resurrect a car out of the, out

2519
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:32,550
of the junkyard.

2520
01:28:33,090 --> 01:28:33,630
Out of dust.

2521
01:28:34,150 --> 01:28:36,150
They literally would go into a junkyard, grab

2522
01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:37,950
a car, get it running in a couple

2523
01:28:37,950 --> 01:28:40,690
of hours, get the brakes working and then

2524
01:28:40,690 --> 01:28:42,690
go off on like a 500 mile road

2525
01:28:42,690 --> 01:28:42,910
trip.

2526
01:28:43,970 --> 01:28:46,490
And they're breaking, they're breaking down every couple

2527
01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:47,970
of hours, you know?

2528
01:28:48,230 --> 01:28:48,570
Yeah.

2529
01:28:48,850 --> 01:28:49,770
It's great fun.

2530
01:28:50,050 --> 01:28:52,970
And then, uh, so I subscribed to it

2531
01:28:52,970 --> 01:28:54,850
and it was like four 99, like this

2532
01:28:54,850 --> 01:28:56,790
is maybe like six years ago, it was

2533
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:59,910
four 99 a month and I watched it

2534
01:28:59,910 --> 01:29:01,310
all the time.

2535
01:29:01,490 --> 01:29:02,970
And then they raised the price to five

2536
01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:03,330
99.

2537
01:29:03,450 --> 01:29:04,330
I'm like, okay, that's fine.

2538
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:04,650
Whatever.

2539
01:29:05,010 --> 01:29:06,570
Then discovery bought them.

2540
01:29:07,930 --> 01:29:10,790
Then they moved, they had their own app,

2541
01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:12,070
which was great on the Roku.

2542
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:14,970
They got rid of the app, moved all

2543
01:29:14,970 --> 01:29:17,410
the shows into the discovery plus app, which

2544
01:29:17,410 --> 01:29:17,970
sucks.

2545
01:29:18,810 --> 01:29:19,330
No.

2546
01:29:20,170 --> 01:29:22,670
And then I just got an email last

2547
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:25,790
week saying that they're canceling all the motor

2548
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:29,950
trend shows except for, uh, about four or

2549
01:29:29,950 --> 01:29:31,950
five that are just kind of crap, like

2550
01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:35,770
that non-specific car review type shows.

2551
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:38,330
And they're raising the price from five 99

2552
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:39,130
to nine 99.

2553
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:40,250
And it's going to have ads.

2554
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:42,730
I love the, and it's going to have

2555
01:29:42,730 --> 01:29:43,370
ads part.

2556
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:45,370
Everything is now, and it has ads like

2557
01:29:45,370 --> 01:29:45,990
it's a feature.

2558
01:29:46,910 --> 01:29:47,250
Uh-huh.

2559
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:50,490
The, um, now if, if they had continued,

2560
01:29:50,770 --> 01:29:53,430
what do you think you would have given

2561
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:57,350
them value for value to maintain even just

2562
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:59,150
that one show that you like the, the,

2563
01:29:59,190 --> 01:30:00,390
the dust to driving?

2564
01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:02,590
What would you think the roadkill show?

2565
01:30:02,650 --> 01:30:02,790
Yeah.

2566
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:03,850
What do you think you would have given

2567
01:30:03,850 --> 01:30:05,670
them value for value on a monthly basis?

2568
01:30:05,670 --> 01:30:08,090
Just watching the show a couple of times.

2569
01:30:08,530 --> 01:30:11,110
If they had never told me the price

2570
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:13,210
and said, give me what you want, just

2571
01:30:13,210 --> 01:30:15,610
like as a monthly subscription, I would have

2572
01:30:15,610 --> 01:30:18,890
given them, I don't know, 15, 20 bucks

2573
01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:19,850
a month.

2574
01:30:20,710 --> 01:30:23,670
And my point is made everybody exactly.

2575
01:30:24,170 --> 01:30:24,970
Yeah, exactly.

2576
01:30:25,130 --> 01:30:25,310
So.

2577
01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:30,930
Cause you're like, you know, cause you don't,

2578
01:30:30,930 --> 01:30:32,570
if you, if nobody tells you what the

2579
01:30:32,570 --> 01:30:35,550
price is, then you have to decide for

2580
01:30:35,550 --> 01:30:35,930
yourself.

2581
01:30:36,050 --> 01:30:36,530
That's right.

2582
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:39,470
You got to dig deep inside your heart.

2583
01:30:39,550 --> 01:30:40,170
That's right.

2584
01:30:40,350 --> 01:30:40,850
That's right.

2585
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:42,650
It's not tipping people.

2586
01:30:42,650 --> 01:30:45,070
It's not tipping two minutes, baby.

2587
01:30:45,170 --> 01:30:46,010
All right, everybody.

2588
01:30:46,130 --> 01:30:48,370
That's it for podcasting 2.0 brother.

2589
01:30:48,370 --> 01:30:50,030
Dave, have yourself a great weekend.

2590
01:30:50,690 --> 01:30:51,150
You too, man.

2591
01:30:51,470 --> 01:30:53,490
And, um, board room.

2592
01:30:53,670 --> 01:30:54,290
Have a great weekend.

2593
01:30:54,370 --> 01:30:55,490
We'll be back next Friday.

2594
01:31:10,150 --> 01:31:14,570
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2595
01:31:14,570 --> 01:31:18,610
visit podcast index.org for more information.

2596
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:21,950
Man, I was there, bro.

2597
01:31:22,170 --> 01:31:22,590
Yeah.