Episode 210: Mothership Node

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Podcasting 2.0 for February 14th, 2025, episode

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210, Mothership Node.

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Hey everybody, happy Valentine's Day.

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It is time once again for Podcasting 2

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Of course, we'll discuss what's going on right

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now and we'll reminisce about what happened in

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Yes, you are welcome in the boardroom where

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we bring it all together.

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And of course, we are the only boardroom

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with bowls filled with only green M&Ms.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country.

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And in Alabama, the man who grinds away

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at code 18 hours a day.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, Mr. Dave Jones.

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The podcasting index.social is, I'm spinning here.

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You're spinning, you're spinning.

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Yeah.

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You got the spinning, is it beach ball

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or you're on the Linux?

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No, no, Mastodon Brave says page unresponsive.

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Oh no.

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Do you wanna wait or exit page?

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Exit page.

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I'm gonna exit page.

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Exit page, always exit page.

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It's your browser, man.

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It's not the system, it's your browser.

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No, it's the Mastodons.

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You know, I love, what I get every

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month, at least once, sometimes two times, I'll

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get an email that says, why are you

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blocking me?

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I can't get your podcast.

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Why are you blocking me?

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And.

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You have an extensive block list.

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Yes, and then, and I say, okay, now

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do you have any other podcasts that you're

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having problems with?

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Or first I'll say what app, what phone,

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what machine.

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And I got a podcast app.

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Okay, all right, okay, that's good.

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A podcast app, that's a good one.

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Yeah, so this usually takes about five emails,

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this process.

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And then the next one, are there any

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other pod, like yeah, yeah, yeah, that James

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Cridland blocks me from podcast news too.

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I'm like, okay, that's interesting.

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IPFS gateway.

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Well, no, no, I say, are you, guess

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a good one.

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I said, have you tried it on Wi

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-Fi and on cellular?

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Yeah, both doesn't work, that's my clue.

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When I, and usually I'll say, have you

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tried a different network?

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No matter what I try, it doesn't work,

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you're blocking me.

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And then here comes the question.

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Are you using a VPN?

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Yes.

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Let's try turning it off.

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Hey, that worked.

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We'll see, this is, but I'm sure that

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there's, you're leaving out the times where you

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say, do you use a VPN?

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And they say, yeah, I already tried that.

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Yeah, you get that one too.

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Yeah, because this is the, everybody that I've

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ever hired for help desk in tech support,

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I tell them on day one, the very

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first rule of help desk, users lie.

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Yeah, they lie to you.

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They lie.

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They do.

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If you ask them if they rebooted, they

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will tell you yes, but they did not.

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It's so true.

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And you can verify that.

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You can verify that.

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Yeah, you can see it right there in

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your console.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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I'm like, hey, go ahead and reboot.

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And they're like, oh, I already did that.

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And I'm like, oh, that's interesting because your

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uptime here says 12 days.

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That's a pretty neat magic trick you did.

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It was like, well, I don't know, I

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hit reboot.

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I thought I did.

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Yeah, sorry, man.

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Yeah, and the problem is people say, well,

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everything else works on a VPN.

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I said, well, you might have, because a

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lot of these VPNs, like I have the

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Proton.

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I use the Proton VPN.

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In the US, I think it defaults to

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a Tor exit node.

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Oh, that's blocked all over the place.

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Yeah, I mean, Tor nodes get blocked everywhere.

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So like, no.

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So they have, so that VPN system has,

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they have regular traffic, regular VPN traffic coming

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out of the same IP as a Tor

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node?

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No, no, no, I think, no, I don't

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think so.

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I think the majority, the default finds a

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node that has Tor, I think.

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It may have been me just resetting it

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to something else.

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I don't know.

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I'm, hey, I'm a user, I lie.

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I'm not lying to you, Dave.

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I like the one, this is, the Proton

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VPN has a thing that's like, go into

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hyper, you know, cloak mode, and then, because

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it also gives you a map of what

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node you're connecting to.

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It's a big map and you see it.

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And so then you're routed through Switzerland, through

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their systems, out to another node.

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And I'm always like, I don't know if

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that's a good, I don't feel good about

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that.

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I mean, I trust you guys, but do

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I really?

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Like, now I'm routing everything through you, through

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your super sophisticated node.

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I'm like, eh, I don't know.

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I have distrust of VPNs in general.

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That, yeah, you know, the whole thing, honestly,

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is just, the whole thing's a mess.

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The geolocation.

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Oh, laughable, laughable.

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It mostly, you know, it's reliable for sort

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of like run-of-the-mill things.

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But, you know, like if you just want

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to say, okay, well, you know, you're in

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this general area, it's going to work, you

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know, 75% of the time.

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You know, of course, the VPNs are going

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to mess it up and all that.

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I mean, that's just normal.

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But for the average user on the average

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day in an average city, it's probably going

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to work most of the time.

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But the things that you run into are

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like, with, here's the thing that happens in

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the security industry and in cybersecurity, you'll always

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hear all these statistics like- Also known

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as DevSec.

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Yes, DevSec.

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DevSec, yes.

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In the world of DevSec, what you'll hear

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all the time is, here's a new, here's

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this new critical vulnerability, you know, CVE 2025

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dash blah, blah, blah.

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And it'll say, and they'll say, according to

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our scans, there's 350,000 versions of this

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software listening on the internet that are vulnerable

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to this exploit.

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They never mention that most of these scans

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are using places like, you know, Shodan and

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these vulnerability scanners.

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Many people block those scanners IP addresses.

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And also there's tons of honeypots out there

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that fake being those things just to attract

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the traffic so they can analyze the exploits.

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Those scans are completely useless.

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They're about as useful as the IAB download

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metrics.

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They're roughly equivalent to find out how many

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listeners you have.

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But are they certified 2.2?

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I mean, that's the question.

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So my daughter is in this reality show

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in Europe, which is hilarious.

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I mean, it's already been recorded.

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She's done that before, right?

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Yeah, but this is a new one.

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It's called Hot Chicks in the Jungle.

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No, it's not.

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Yes, it is.

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Or Real Chicks.

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Is it got a Dutch title?

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Echte Meiden in the Jungle.

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So it actually translates to Real Chicks in

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the Jungle.

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And it's all, you know, young to young.

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Christina is 34.

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So, you know, but she looks super young.

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What a skin scam.

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It's a total skin scam.

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It's fantastic.

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And so they went to Columbia and they're

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literally in the jungle and there's two teams.

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And, you know, it's a whole typical thing.

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Like they're two camps.

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And so the whole, while you have to

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do all these trials and exercises and competitions,

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you're either in the luxury camp, which is,

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you know, you got nice, you know, it's

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a camp, but it's luxury.

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You got, you know, you got table and

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there's a chef and you've got nice mosquito

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netting.

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Or if you're the losing team at the

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moment, then you're in the horrible camp.

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That's like naked and afraid or whatever.

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Pretty primitive camp.

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You're in a hammock and they just give

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you some rice.

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You have to cook it yourself and you

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got headlamps on.

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And so I wanted to watch it.

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And she said, well, cause it's on Videoland,

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which is a Dutch streaming service.

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And so she gave me her username and

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password to log in.

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And of course I didn't try anything until

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I set up a VPN.

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And no matter what I tried, Videoland would

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pop back.

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I'm sorry, this program is not available from

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your location.

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So either they knew all of the VPNs

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already, which is possible, you know, for password

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sharing, which is exactly what we were doing.

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Or somehow it still knew that I, and

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I'm thinking, does my browser send a location

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bit or something?

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No, I could not get it done.

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That's what, what browser were you using?

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Brave.

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I wonder if, I wonder if there's some

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sort of DRM thing that it, that Brave.

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Yeah, it might've been, yeah.

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But still it specifically said location.

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So I was like, I'll maybe I'll try

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it with Edge, see if that works.

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I don't know why they care.

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That's the thing that's always confused me is

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why, if you, if you're blocked outside of

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the US, so if you're geo blocking somebody

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and you're in the net, if you're a

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streaming service in the Netherlands and somebody outside

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the Netherlands, they're not, I mean, you couldn't

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go buy a subscription to that, right?

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I mean, you can't, you can't buy the

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subscription anyway.

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So why does it matter if you're coming

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in over a VPN?

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If I could buy a subscription, I would

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have.

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I'm the guy that pays for everything.

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I don't steal any content.

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Yeah, then we'd get more money.

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I just don't, this has never made sense.

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It's lame.

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It's lame.

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This has never made sense.

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So I'm getting all kinds of calls today.

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I got Suzanne Santo calling me this morning.

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About Spotify video?

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No.

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She said, oh my God, you talked about

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the Antones concert on Joe Rogan.

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Oh, it's so awesome.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, good, good, good show on Rogan.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Three hours of Rogan has got to be

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exhausting.

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Well, it's been an exhausting week because, well,

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Monday was, see, Monday I did a podcast

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with Jimmy and then Tuesday, I had to

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get my hair cut and I've been, I've

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had the same hair person for 15 years.

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I'm loyal to her, but she's in Austin.

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So I went to Austin, drove back, you

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know, total drive time is three and a

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half, almost four hours.

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Yeah, three and a half hours.

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Is it an hour and a half to

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Austin for you?

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Yeah, it's 80 miles, 80 miles, which is

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okay.

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A car drives itself, man.

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A car drives itself.

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And then went to Austin again the next

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day.

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And then, you know, I was, yeah, I

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was pretty wiped by the time I got

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home.

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I could just tell by the tone of

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your text.

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Yeah, oh yeah, and then Thursday straight, I

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got up early, like at six, because I

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hadn't really done enough prep for no agenda.

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So I had to get up early and

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I'm prepping.

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So, I mean, boo-hoo, oh, what a

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life.

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Boo-hoo, I'm a podcaster, it's so hard.

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It's so horrible.

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So I also haven't kept up with enough

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of what's going on.

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I was able to listen to most of

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Power, which is good.

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But the big thing is Fountain now doing

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LN URL payments.

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Yeah, yeah, I saw that.

323
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That's, so you've tested it.

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I saw you doing some testing.

325
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Yes, and so there's a couple of apps

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doing it.

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Podcast Guru does it.

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And there's another one floating out there.

329
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It's a little confusing because I'm also getting

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payments from some Noster experiments, Stephen B still

331
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had up.

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But with Fountain, what I kind of like

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is I get the boost message or a

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truncated version of the boost message and a

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URL.

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And you hit the URL and it goes

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to a webpage, a fountain.fm webpage, which

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shows me what I would see in the

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screen on the app.

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And you can actually open it in the

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app from that screen if you want.

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So you can immediately kind of not just

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see my boost message, but if there was

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any other boost message there, is an interesting

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way of doing it.

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And I don't have to go to Noster,

347
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which I'm just happy about.

348
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I have no problem with Noster, but I

349
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just want to go to a webpage and

350
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just see it.

351
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And then I think Podcast Guru is sending

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as much of the boost message as possible.

353
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Let me see what I have here.

354
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I have the, let me just open it

355
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up for a second.

356
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Now, of course, I'm receiving all of this

357
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on Strike and I'm also getting streaming payments

358
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on Strike, which is not necessarily the thing

359
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you want because there's no...

360
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So, okay, I'm getting pay Adam Curry.

361
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I'm getting OneSat, but I don't know where

362
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that's coming from.

363
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And then I got one, I see ComicStreetBlogger

364
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and it looks like, I don't know.

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I thought he boosted on Fountain, but this

366
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looks like it's coming.

367
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There's no link like I saw from...

368
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It looks like a Fountain screenshot.

369
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Yeah, yeah.

370
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Let me see.

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What I get from Podcast Guru is, you

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know, so you have to scroll through all

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these OneSat streaming payments, which I can't limit

374
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in my view, of course.

375
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Still exciting.

376
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Jeez, that's a lot of streaming sats I've

377
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received.

378
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Holy crap.

379
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Can I sort this?

380
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No, I can't sort this.

381
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You're gonna get a 1099B.

382
00:14:19,570 --> 00:14:20,070
Yeah.

383
00:14:20,950 --> 00:14:22,030
Oh, here it is.

384
00:14:22,130 --> 00:14:23,910
It's Fountain, yeah, he's sending from Fountain.

385
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Yeah, testing the new stuff and then it

386
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has a link to Fountain.

387
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So that's what I think...

388
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Yeah, I sent that to myself.

389
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Let me just open that up in the

390
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browser and there it goes to a Fountain

391
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page with the boost, yeah, okay.

392
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So I'm not sure.

393
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Oh, and yeah, he did send it because

394
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it's right above my boost on that page

395
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is his, but I didn't get a link

396
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from his boost.

397
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Maybe he's using an older version of the

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app.

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Possibly.

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Maybe, he responded and said he's, yes, he

401
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did boost from Fountain app.

402
00:15:06,010 --> 00:15:07,150
I'll ask him.

403
00:15:07,330 --> 00:15:09,730
Well, regardless, it's working and it's cool.

404
00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:12,130
Now, of course, none of this has the

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TLV record payment information.

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So it's, you know, these payments are not

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flowing into, I mean, I obviously have a

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1% split into Helipad.

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So I get everything there, but it's working.

410
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:28,530
That's the main point.

411
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We need to refine and maybe we can

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come to some agreement on stuff.

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There we go.

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00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:35,310
Thank you, Sam.

415
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Castamatic and Podcast Guru are both testing LNURLP

416
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says.

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True Fans has supported it from day one.

418
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Of course, you would expect nothing less than

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to say that.

420
00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:47,930
True Fans supported as a test for Fountain

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Radio.

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00:15:48,430 --> 00:15:49,970
We are waiting for Fountain to implement any

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changes before we roll it out for all

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podcasts on True Fans.

425
00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:53,810
Yeah, okay, cool.

426
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:54,630
So.

427
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Right, the TLV stuff is just the, you

428
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:57,970
know, that's the last hurdle.

429
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Yeah.

430
00:16:00,130 --> 00:16:03,390
Of getting that, getting us over the hump.

431
00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:06,930
And we've got, you know, I'm cool with

432
00:16:06,930 --> 00:16:12,130
just, you know, just letting people try different

433
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stuff.

434
00:16:12,770 --> 00:16:12,870
I mean.

435
00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:13,890
Me too, me too.

436
00:16:14,010 --> 00:16:15,970
That's why I say, it's like, whatever happens,

437
00:16:16,030 --> 00:16:16,330
happens.

438
00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:18,290
I mean, the payments are coming in.

439
00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:19,930
That's the number one thing.

440
00:16:20,590 --> 00:16:20,990
Right.

441
00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:21,930
I really love that.

442
00:16:21,930 --> 00:16:24,490
And I did talk about Value for Value

443
00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:25,130
on Rogan.

444
00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:26,530
I got some in there.

445
00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:27,710
I heard that, yeah.

446
00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:28,410
I heard a little bit of that.

447
00:16:29,570 --> 00:16:31,090
Yeah, it was a good appearance.

448
00:16:31,410 --> 00:16:36,350
I mean, you know, I think it's nice

449
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:38,650
when you all are on there because it's

450
00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:39,910
like you just picked up where you left

451
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:40,550
off last time.

452
00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:41,350
Kind of, yeah.

453
00:16:41,390 --> 00:16:41,990
Hey, with my team.

454
00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:42,830
Yeah, what else?

455
00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:43,810
Yeah, right.

456
00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:45,770
And you just like pick up and just

457
00:16:45,770 --> 00:16:46,230
keep going.

458
00:16:46,530 --> 00:16:49,330
Like it's the same conversation with like a

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four month pause.

460
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:51,470
Yeah.

461
00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:53,590
But I tell you man, Rogan, he's always,

462
00:16:53,830 --> 00:16:56,630
he's at the club Monday and then Tuesday

463
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he does a set, Tuesdays.

464
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And then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I think he

465
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does even my, I think he does four

466
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episodes, four interviews a week.

467
00:17:07,930 --> 00:17:10,170
And then he still has his UFC stuff

468
00:17:10,170 --> 00:17:11,430
and man, that guy's working.

469
00:17:12,310 --> 00:17:12,710
Yeah.

470
00:17:12,930 --> 00:17:13,510
That's a lot.

471
00:17:13,710 --> 00:17:15,569
Yeah, and I'm tired after talking to him

472
00:17:15,569 --> 00:17:16,329
for three hours.

473
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:16,890
I'm like, huh.

474
00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:19,190
What kind of prep do you, what kind

475
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of prep do you think he does?

476
00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:22,069
Do you think he goes in cold on

477
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interviews?

478
00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:26,970
No, I know that if, he listens to

479
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a lot of books while he's working out

480
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because I've asked him about this specifically.

481
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He may have listened to some of No

482
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Agenda beforehand, but probably not because he knows

483
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me.

484
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Recurring guests, I'm pretty sure, he knows what

485
00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:43,050
they're about, but new guests, yeah.

486
00:17:43,570 --> 00:17:45,610
Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone has a

487
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book or has published something, he'll read it

488
00:17:47,370 --> 00:17:49,890
or he'll listen to it on a audio

489
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book.

490
00:17:51,410 --> 00:17:53,510
And if you notice, Joe talks a lot

491
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too.

492
00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:55,870
Yeah, yeah.

493
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So it's like- His interview, I don't

494
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really listen to him.

495
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Like, he's just not on my radar.

496
00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:04,190
It's just, I don't really have time for

497
00:18:04,190 --> 00:18:07,910
a three-hour show in addition to all

498
00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:09,290
the other stuff I'm listening to.

499
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:10,630
No, it's very hard.

500
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:14,750
Yeah, but like, so I never really listen

501
00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:17,330
to him unless you're on or there's somebody

502
00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:18,690
who really piques my interest.

503
00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:24,190
What I found fascinating is I can almost

504
00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:27,790
tell, no, I can always tell.

505
00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:30,810
Let me see if I can position this

506
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right.

507
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If someone just sends me an email about

508
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an appearance on Rogan, I know if they

509
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:39,850
listened to it or if they watched it.

510
00:18:41,130 --> 00:18:45,110
It's really, if you go to like YouTube

511
00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:51,310
and you see the comments, the people who

512
00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:53,290
are like, I don't know, you're full of

513
00:18:53,290 --> 00:18:53,530
crap.

514
00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:55,810
They're not listening.

515
00:18:56,770 --> 00:19:00,090
The video detracts so much from what is

516
00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:01,370
actually being said.

517
00:19:01,510 --> 00:19:03,090
Now, of course, people always want to hear

518
00:19:03,090 --> 00:19:07,330
what they want to hear, but the people

519
00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:09,850
who are listening to it and say, I

520
00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:13,190
heard instead of I saw, have a much

521
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:16,010
better cognition of what was actually said.

522
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:17,910
It's astounding.

523
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:21,210
So how do you quantify that?

524
00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:24,470
I mean, because people- Can you or

525
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:25,830
is it just a feeling you have?

526
00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:29,510
It's really by what they say, you know?

527
00:19:29,670 --> 00:19:32,790
And so they'll say, okay, so I talk,

528
00:19:32,970 --> 00:19:34,750
Joe starts and says, so what do you

529
00:19:34,750 --> 00:19:35,610
think of shit coins?

530
00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:37,110
And you know, and so I roll into

531
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:38,850
why I think they're no good.

532
00:19:39,170 --> 00:19:42,050
And actually for the first time, I think

533
00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:44,710
ever, and people who are watching didn't pick

534
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:45,090
this up.

535
00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:46,330
People who are listening did.

536
00:19:46,510 --> 00:19:47,870
Joe said, no, I believe in Bitcoin.

537
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:48,950
I'm all in on Bitcoin.

538
00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:52,070
And then I went on to talk about

539
00:19:52,670 --> 00:19:55,530
what I think is happening with stable coins

540
00:19:57,650 --> 00:20:00,110
and where the US dollar is in this

541
00:20:00,110 --> 00:20:02,250
Triffin dilemma and all these other things.

542
00:20:02,290 --> 00:20:03,150
What are we drinking, Dave?

543
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:05,890
Oh, gee whiz, man.

544
00:20:05,890 --> 00:20:08,490
You got ears like a freaking, you know,

545
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:12,170
whatever here's good dog, LaCroix Pure.

546
00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:13,230
I'm back to the old stand up.

547
00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:14,550
Oh, LaCroix, LaCroix Pure, nice.

548
00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:20,610
And, you know, you can hear, so when

549
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:22,410
I, and then you'll see the comments like,

550
00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:25,770
I can't believe Curry is talking about shit

551
00:20:25,770 --> 00:20:27,950
coins that they're good and stable coin is

552
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:28,330
the way.

553
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:33,190
I said exactly the opposite, exactly the opposite.

554
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:36,330
But people who are listening to, and I

555
00:20:36,330 --> 00:20:38,970
noticed that myself too, is when I'm listening,

556
00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:43,510
I mean, it's just, you know, you may

557
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:45,850
make money on Spotify if you can catch

558
00:20:45,850 --> 00:20:49,550
the wave with video, but man, I really

559
00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:50,950
want people to hear what I have to

560
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:52,890
say and not, you know, and not be

561
00:20:52,890 --> 00:20:55,990
distracted by watching, particularly me.

562
00:20:56,490 --> 00:20:58,790
I don't think it's interesting to watch me,

563
00:20:59,530 --> 00:20:59,750
so.

564
00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:05,380
I find it hard to, I find it

565
00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:09,780
hard to listen and absorb.

566
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,440
Like you have to, you have to be

567
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,260
in a mindset, like, how do I say

568
00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:15,600
this?

569
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,960
You have like, so I've been reading this,

570
00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:24,240
this audio book or I say reading, whatever,

571
00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:24,640
listening.

572
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,940
Been listening to a new, hey, what are

573
00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:27,240
you drinking?

574
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,420
Ah, show beer, blue, Pabst Blue Ribbon.

575
00:21:30,420 --> 00:21:31,420
PBR, baby.

576
00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:32,560
PBR, all the way.

577
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,720
Schlitz, yeah.

578
00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:36,100
Schlitz.

579
00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:40,440
I think, like, so I started this new

580
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:40,780
book.

581
00:21:42,270 --> 00:21:46,560
It's called A Secular Age by this Canadian

582
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,240
philosopher named Charles Taylor.

583
00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:54,360
Now, if you can handle this sort of

584
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,640
work, if you can handle this sort of

585
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,520
work, I highly, highly recommend this book.

586
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,780
You know, I mean, some people are just

587
00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:08,140
not gonna be interested in this type of

588
00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:08,420
work.

589
00:22:08,540 --> 00:22:11,120
I mean, like, I would say that probably

590
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:15,840
the greatest three books I've ever read on

591
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:22,200
just sociology with, so I like the, I

592
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,040
like this sort of like convergence of sociology

593
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,800
and philosophy.

594
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,380
I don't, like, I find sort of exploratory

595
00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:33,280
philosophy or what you might call like.

596
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,800
You are a fascinating man, Dave Jones.

597
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,920
Well, no, I find like what, in math,

598
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,960
you might call it like theoretical physics, you

599
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,940
know, or something like that.

600
00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:47,840
Well, there's a version of that in philosophy

601
00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:49,620
where, and you might want to call it

602
00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:54,720
like research philosophy or exploratory philosophy where it's

603
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,160
almost like a peer-reviewed study that nobody

604
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,520
really is ever gonna care about.

605
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:01,340
I find that stuff just horrible.

606
00:23:01,860 --> 00:23:03,880
Like, I'm not interested in it in any

607
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,260
way.

608
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,080
I just don't, and I'm not even really

609
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,960
that keen on the history of philosophy.

610
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,700
I have trouble just remembering a bunch of

611
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:14,020
like, well, this guy said this, and this,

612
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:15,760
you know, this person said this, and this,

613
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,380
well, like, because it's all just a bunch

614
00:23:18,380 --> 00:23:21,300
of memorization that doesn't really apply to anything.

615
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:27,080
But I find the convergence of philosophy and

616
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,920
sociology to be fascinating.

617
00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:33,080
And the three, like the three, my three

618
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:39,920
greatest hits on that is Jacques Ellul's Technological

619
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,500
Society.

620
00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:41,380
That's a good one.

621
00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:42,780
That's one I've read.

622
00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:46,100
Jacques Ellul's Propaganda.

623
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,720
That one I've also read.

624
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:48,560
Yes.

625
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:51,900
And A Secular Age by Charles Taylor.

626
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,540
No, I pass, hard pass on that.

627
00:23:54,140 --> 00:24:00,040
Now, this is probably 900 pages.

628
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,280
It's a big one.

629
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,180
And it's considered his sort of master, you

630
00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:07,720
know, work.

631
00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:13,820
But I found with, this book is just

632
00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,980
like, it's just like trying to read Technological

633
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:16,540
Society.

634
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:19,340
You have to pay attention to this book.

635
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,000
If you don't, 15 minutes will pass and

636
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,640
you'll remember nothing that you just heard.

637
00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:32,460
And so like, you have to like, you

638
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:35,300
have to get, you have to consciously bring

639
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:39,380
your attention to the words that are being

640
00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:40,120
said to you.

641
00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:45,680
And even then, even with no distraction and

642
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,420
a conscious will to listen to the words.

643
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,000
It's hard.

644
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,500
It's still, you have to back it up

645
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:53,000
sometimes.

646
00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:55,500
You know, and you may have to listen

647
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,780
to the same section three or four times

648
00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:59,780
in a row to really understand what's being

649
00:24:59,780 --> 00:25:02,680
said if you care to understand what's being

650
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,060
said.

651
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,140
And that's with no visual distraction whatsoever.

652
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,140
Like, I can't imagine trying to get meaningful

653
00:25:10,140 --> 00:25:12,540
content from a video.

654
00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:16,720
Like, I just, I don't know how you

655
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,340
can do it.

656
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,660
It's not there, it's not there.

657
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:22,020
You're gonna, you're just, your brain.

658
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,720
When you're watching a video, your brain just

659
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,760
doesn't, that's not what it's for, you know?

660
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,860
Well, now imagine what TikTok is doing to

661
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:31,640
people's brains.

662
00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:34,240
Oh, oh, I don't even wanna know.

663
00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:38,720
Just like overstimulate, overstimulate, overstimulate, overstimulate, and who

664
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,900
knows what's going through.

665
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,620
Well, that, you know, this is a thing

666
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:50,540
that, if you boiled down Jacques Ellul's propaganda,

667
00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:52,760
if you boiled it down into a few

668
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,040
different just bullet points, one of the main

669
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,660
points that he makes very early in the

670
00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:01,660
work is this.

671
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,640
Propaganda is not about convincing people of things.

672
00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:16,180
Propaganda, effective propaganda does not care about convincing

673
00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:18,160
the other side of your position.

674
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:22,380
Propaganda is about getting people to act.

675
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:26,520
It's about provoking action.

676
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,820
How, and he goes so far as to

677
00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:31,780
say- Like smashing that like button?

678
00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:34,860
Yes, he goes that far.

679
00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:37,940
He says, if you are trying to do

680
00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:43,740
propaganda and you are in the process coming

681
00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:47,260
up with arguments, you've already failed at propaganda.

682
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,080
You're not doing it right.

683
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Absolutely, absolutely.

684
00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:54,440
And that's, to me, that's what all those

685
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,480
video platforms, TikTok and Instagram reels and all

686
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,420
that, it's just action, action, action, action.

687
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:02,560
Do a thing, do a thing.

688
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,960
And the other thing, and so there's downsides,

689
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:08,300
I've always been against listening at one and

690
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:09,760
a half or two times speed.

691
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,700
I'm saying that it probably will ruin your

692
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:19,000
real life relationships because you're listening to podcasts

693
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,320
fast, oh, they're talking about this, blah, blah,

694
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,700
blah, and then you come home and your

695
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,360
wife and kids are like, hurry up, spit

696
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:25,580
it out, kid, what do you want to

697
00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:25,940
say to me?

698
00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:27,260
Yeah, they're boring.

699
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,340
They can barely be boring.

700
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,940
I got this cool note from this dude

701
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:31,580
the other day.

702
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,380
And he said, I wanted to tell you,

703
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,620
I had circular hair loss in my neck.

704
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,380
I had a huge hole in my beard

705
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:40,780
and everyone was telling me it had to

706
00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:41,380
be stress.

707
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720
Then I remembered that episode where he said

708
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,440
that listening at 1.5X is really bad.

709
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,760
I was doing exactly that because some douche

710
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,180
on another podcast suggested I do it.

711
00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:53,720
And as I'm notoriously dozens of episodes behind,

712
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:54,800
I thought I could catch up.

713
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,560
So I stopped speed listening, went back to

714
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:57,880
normal.

715
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,660
After a couple of months, my beard grew

716
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:01,140
back.

717
00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:03,560
No way.

718
00:28:03,860 --> 00:28:06,180
Another life saved or created, yes.

719
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:11,860
You fixed the hole in his neck.

720
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,300
I did, I did.

721
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:13,920
It's awesome.

722
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,760
James listens to our show at like 12X

723
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,120
or something.

724
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:19,560
James has no body hair.

725
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,560
He has no body hair.

726
00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:23,540
He's like a Mexican hairless.

727
00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:23,680
Yes.

728
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Yeah, just saying, just saying, people.

729
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:35,160
Well, besides James Propecia, we can talk about

730
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,480
- Allopecia, it's Allopecia.

731
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:37,960
What is Propecia?

732
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:38,440
I don't know.

733
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:39,760
You don't want either one.

734
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:40,360
I know.

735
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,680
I got to find out if that's even

736
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,540
a Propecia.

737
00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:47,940
No, Propecia is, isn't that skin rash, skin

738
00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:48,460
irritation?

739
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,060
Propecia is a brand name for the generic

740
00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:55,960
drug Finasteratide, which is a prescription oral taken

741
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,160
daily to slow down hair loss.

742
00:28:58,660 --> 00:29:00,420
Okay, so it's the opposite of Allopecia.

743
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,000
Okay, I got you.

744
00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:02,980
It's a drug.

745
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,100
You see, that's propaganda right there.

746
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:05,860
Propecia.

747
00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:08,780
Problem, was it problem- Reaction solution.

748
00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:09,680
Solution, yeah.

749
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,160
There you go.

750
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,080
But we got a, we got a, I'm

751
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,640
going to break from form here and read

752
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,640
a PayPal donation right now.

753
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Wow, this is a format change.

754
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,520
We're breaking format.

755
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,240
We're calling an audible, everybody.

756
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:29,760
Yeah, and this is from Archie, S-U

757
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,480
-C-D in the chat room, in the

758
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,880
podcast index social.

759
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:34,580
Good guy.

760
00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:37,900
He sends, he sent us 1701, a Star

761
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:41,320
Trek boost, and $17.01, and he says,

762
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:44,700
can you dive deeper into the vision for

763
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:48,000
a distributed podcast index, focusing on the high

764
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,840
level benefits, ignoring the technical implementation?

765
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,300
How will this improve the podcasting ecosystem and

766
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:56,980
what advantages does decentralization offer?

767
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,040
Can I give a high level answer before

768
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,800
you dive in?

769
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,620
My high level answer is, we want Dave

770
00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:05,300
to go back to a normal life, not

771
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,020
have to deal with all this crap anymore.

772
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,560
Just make it work in the space.

773
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,020
Just make it work in the space.

774
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:13,160
That's the high level answer right there.

775
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,140
The high level is make it work in

776
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:15,520
the space.

777
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,420
Yeah, we've always wanted us to go away.

778
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:22,640
That's so funny, I want myself to go

779
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:22,880
away.

780
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:27,020
Yes, we'll know we're successful when we're no

781
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:27,700
longer needed.

782
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:34,540
Yeah, and okay, well, how much you got

783
00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:35,640
on your list to talk about?

784
00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:37,780
The only thing I have on my list

785
00:30:37,780 --> 00:30:38,960
are chapter vising.

786
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:41,500
Chapter vising.

787
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,300
Yeah, I don't know if you heard the

788
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,000
new media show, and Todd has asked me

789
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,440
to go on the new media show, so

790
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,080
I need to go back on his show

791
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:51,640
to talk about audio instead of video.

792
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,220
I got to bring that show back to

793
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:54,700
its roots.

794
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,880
He has to bring it back from the

795
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,420
precipice.

796
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:02,440
So we were talking about firing off an

797
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,780
image in a chapter marker that could be

798
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:08,240
tracked for advertising, which I'm all for, by

799
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:08,620
the way.

800
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:11,380
Chapter vising.

801
00:31:11,380 --> 00:31:13,120
Chapter vising.

802
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,700
Yeah, I'm calling it chapter vising.

803
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,140
What do you think?

804
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:17,360
Does that not sound right?

805
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:18,780
Chapter tizing.

806
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:21,260
It's advertising, so it'd be chapter tizing.

807
00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:21,940
Chapter tizing?

808
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,300
I need to see, let me see.

809
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Chapter tizing.

810
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:27,800
I'm not sure.

811
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:28,820
Propecia.

812
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,800
We'll just call it Propecia.

813
00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:35,960
I think it's, particularly because it was, I

814
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,360
forget who it was, but it was someone

815
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,260
who's in the podcast industrial complex, like, this

816
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:41,940
is really cool.

817
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,380
And I'm all for it.

818
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,540
If we can get chapters and people using

819
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:50,100
chapters, and you can obviously anonymize the, excuse

820
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:51,900
me, the IP addresses.

821
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,420
A lot, I mean, it's really, it only

822
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:55,960
has to go to the podcaster, you know?

823
00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:57,960
It's not like it's going to some grotesque

824
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680
company per se, but it could.

825
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,980
And he was talking about it and, you

826
00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:05,480
know, because I kind of like, oh, that's

827
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,780
a very cool idea, but, you know, you

828
00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:09,640
really need all these apps to do it

829
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,200
and everyone has to jump in on it.

830
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,860
And Todd made a good point.

831
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,040
He said, you don't.

832
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,720
Advertising is always based on, or not always,

833
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:20,200
but it's often based on a sample.

834
00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:22,480
So if you can get a sample size,

835
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,020
then, you know, of this many people who

836
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:29,460
use this particular podcast app that understands chapters,

837
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720
you can make a case towards your advertiser

838
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,680
that, you know, that X amount of people

839
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,900
heard this ad.

840
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:39,520
And I just thought it was exciting.

841
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:41,260
I mean, not for me.

842
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:44,320
I like my chapters just for exactly what

843
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,020
we use them for.

844
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,560
I, you know, Dreb makes all of my

845
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:46,900
chapters.

846
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:47,460
It's great.

847
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Who knows, Dreb could actually be firing off

848
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,320
the Nike ads.

849
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,900
I don't even know what he's doing sometimes,

850
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:54,800
but.

851
00:32:56,940 --> 00:33:00,280
This sounds like, this is help, this is

852
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,320
help seeking behaviors.

853
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,700
What's this about the advertising industry?

854
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,380
But it's, it's interesting.

855
00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:07,700
You know, you can have a call to

856
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:10,760
action, like, you know, go to the, click

857
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,660
on the image, you know, click on the

858
00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:15,600
link in the chapter and get more information.

859
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,560
And I guess I'm just saying, adverts, Podcast

860
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,540
Industrial Complex.

861
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:25,040
I mean, it's just a shout out, hold

862
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,480
on a second.

863
00:33:26,860 --> 00:33:27,740
Attention, attention.

864
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,380
Podcast Industrial Complex, here comes a message.

865
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:32,140
Incoming message for you.

866
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:32,680
Boop.

867
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,240
And the message, and the message is, get

868
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,120
going already.

869
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,180
Evangelize this stuff.

870
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,060
Show people how it could work.

871
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440
It would, it would solve a huge problem

872
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,660
in your industry.

873
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,720
And we don't have to use it.

874
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:51,740
You know, I mean, images are already trackable.

875
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:53,440
It's not like anyone has a problem with

876
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:53,840
it.

877
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Anonymize it, do whatever you have to do.

878
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,280
But get on, get on already.

879
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:00,440
Get going with it.

880
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,220
Get the hosts involved, do something.

881
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:04,340
End of message.

882
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,340
Well, the, you know, I don't know.

883
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,600
Chad, that's not true.

884
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:14,960
Not everybody hates Boost in their chapters.

885
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,120
It's not true.

886
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:17,239
I don't hate it.

887
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:18,580
I don't hate, I've never hated it.

888
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,000
I believe they shouldn't be in the table

889
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,620
of contents, which we changed.

890
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,280
We changed it so Boost don't show up

891
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,880
in the table of contents, but it's not

892
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,560
true like all people hated it.

893
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,880
Don't make blanket statements like that, Chad F.

894
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:37,060
Um, yeah, I'm ambivalent.

895
00:34:37,179 --> 00:34:37,980
I really don't.

896
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:39,440
I just want to help everybody.

897
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:40,920
I want to help everybody.

898
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,120
You know, and they seem to have all

899
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,000
kinds of problems.

900
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:49,560
If, if somebody was tracking me that way

901
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,860
with, with ads, I mean, I wouldn't really

902
00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:52,219
care.

903
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:53,460
No, I don't.

904
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,820
I don't think it would bother me.

905
00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:57,420
I mean, I wouldn't like it or dislike

906
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:57,680
it.

907
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,140
I think I'm just, I just don't care.

908
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,260
I really, I really.

909
00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:04,440
No, but hey, it's podcasting 2.0, and

910
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,820
if we can solve a problem for the

911
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:09,520
podcast industrial complex, I'm happy to do it.

912
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,100
But they have to, they have to step

913
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:12,420
up.

914
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,760
You know, I'm not going to evangelize for

915
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,540
your fix.

916
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:17,860
You've got to step up and you've got

917
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:18,260
to do it.

918
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,500
That's kind of what I'm saying.

919
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:21,380
It's like, it's here if you want to

920
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:21,680
do it.

921
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,280
I'm a value for value guy.

922
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,340
And boy, am I happy.

923
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,560
I'm a value for value guy.

924
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:26,720
Oh boy, am I happy.

925
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:29,340
I love being a value for value guy.

926
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:34,180
Well, so the, the, the index thing, so

927
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:35,700
that's kind of where my head's been at

928
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,680
is the decentralization thing.

929
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,540
Good, let's go.

930
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,040
And it's powering a lot of other stuff

931
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,360
that's going on in sort of like in

932
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:45,880
my head.

933
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,440
So I guess to answer, to answer Archie's

934
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,500
question, it's, I mean, we're going to have

935
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:59,720
to talk tech a little bit.

936
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,480
I mean, yeah, yeah.

937
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,280
The overall, let me, let me slip into

938
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,780
something more comfortable then.

939
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:05,680
Oh, please.

940
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,340
You know, what's really hot open source, send

941
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,060
your pull request now.

942
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,820
All right.

943
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:17,880
I forgot about that one.

944
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,180
You pulled that one out of the box.

945
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,140
The pod father never forgets.

946
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Yes, it did not.

947
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,940
I was thinking math and then she went

948
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:26,400
open source.

949
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:27,960
No, no, open source, baby, yeah.

950
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,620
Yes, let's, where do I, how do I,

951
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:37,720
how do I start high here?

952
00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:39,040
Begin the begin.

953
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:43,040
So, okay.

954
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:47,840
A secular age was this, this book.

955
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:53,930
Um, the, the concept behind this book and

956
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:55,870
I'm, I'm, look, believe me, I'm going to,

957
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:56,830
I'm going to bring this around.

958
00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:03,670
The concept behind this book is, is very

959
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:04,210
interesting.

960
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:07,430
How did we get from the year 1500

961
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:15,490
where the West, the Western mind assumed spirituality,

962
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:17,710
assumed that was just, that was just the

963
00:37:17,710 --> 00:37:18,510
default position.

964
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:20,170
The world is a spiritual place.

965
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:22,310
We don't necessarily live in a universe.

966
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:23,170
We live in a cosmos.

967
00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:28,670
Um, to the year 2000, where, you know,

968
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:31,530
at worst spirituality was just one choice amongst

969
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:34,010
many different options at the buffet.

970
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:35,370
This is a deep question.

971
00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:38,810
You know, and it's important to know he's,

972
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:43,230
he's not sort of visualizing this dichotomy where

973
00:37:43,230 --> 00:37:45,530
there's a, where there's like this medieval mind

974
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:47,490
that believed in God and a modern mind

975
00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:48,130
that's atheist.

976
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:49,930
It's not about that.

977
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:51,350
It's much more subtle.

978
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:56,170
Um, it's a whole, it's a lot more

979
00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:56,410
subtle.

980
00:37:56,550 --> 00:38:01,310
The, the real question is how, how do

981
00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:06,690
we get sort of, uh, this, I'm going

982
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:07,910
to use, I'm going to use a big,

983
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:09,890
I'm going to use a big phrase.

984
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:11,990
How do we get this sort of subtractive

985
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:15,650
poesis where, where you have a world in

986
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:19,070
which, like where you have a, I'm going

987
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:20,750
to, I'm having trouble putting this into words.

988
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:24,270
How do you have this poesis where a

989
00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:28,030
world in which power and will can exist

990
00:38:28,030 --> 00:38:29,950
in things that are not human?

991
00:38:30,490 --> 00:38:30,870
Okay.

992
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:32,890
For instance, relics.

993
00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:34,590
Okay.

994
00:38:35,350 --> 00:38:40,350
Uh, a holy relic might have power in

995
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:41,230
and of itself.

996
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:42,250
Okay.

997
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:45,150
This power exists independently of, of, of, of

998
00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:48,250
humanity or what, or something that, you know,

999
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:50,510
you, you, you believe that these things can

1000
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:53,810
have an effect on you and the universe

1001
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:58,290
around you and, and demons and ceremonial actions,

1002
00:38:58,350 --> 00:39:01,950
such as, uh, communion or extreme unction.

1003
00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:05,070
These, these things that are like, uh, you,

1004
00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:08,510
you can manifest power through these, through these

1005
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,950
sort of ritualistic endeavors.

1006
00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:12,110
Okay.

1007
00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:14,230
This is, this is a world where this

1008
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:17,010
is a universe that you live in where

1009
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:20,410
will and power and action can come from

1010
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:24,090
else can come, can exist independent of humans.

1011
00:39:25,850 --> 00:39:27,630
How do we get from there to the

1012
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:29,570
modern frame of mind where those things are

1013
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:32,890
just, they just don't cross our mind very

1014
00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:33,150
often.

1015
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:36,930
Like you can go further and say, like,

1016
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:38,810
you can go even further and say, we're

1017
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:41,690
like, we're actually now entertained by those things.

1018
00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:45,030
Like we go in to like scary movies

1019
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:46,190
about demons and stuff.

1020
00:39:46,330 --> 00:39:46,930
Well, how about this?

1021
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:48,670
I'm just going to interject a little bit

1022
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:49,390
from time to time.

1023
00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:54,190
First of all, um, what was that?

1024
00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:57,690
My brain, that was my brain popping.

1025
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:03,390
Um, when our eyes are accustomed to seeing

1026
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:06,750
magic all day long, when our ears are

1027
00:40:06,750 --> 00:40:11,510
accustomed to hearing magic all day long, then

1028
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:13,630
you cease to see the magic of the

1029
00:40:13,630 --> 00:40:14,150
universe.

1030
00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:18,130
So if you're, if television is magic, interesting,

1031
00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:19,050
it's magic.

1032
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:21,670
I mean, I, uh, I, I started right

1033
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:23,650
now on YouTube TV, there's two rabbits in

1034
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:24,050
the snow.

1035
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:26,430
It's like, they're there, they're in my house.

1036
00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:28,210
You know, we don't, we take that for

1037
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:31,310
granted now, but I would say that has

1038
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:32,230
a lot to do with it.

1039
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:37,930
That's, that's pretty, yeah, that's pretty interesting.

1040
00:40:38,090 --> 00:40:39,630
That's, that's sort of like, yeah.

1041
00:40:40,030 --> 00:40:40,250
Okay.

1042
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:44,210
Well, he, he frames it in two different,

1043
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:47,090
two different selves is what he calls it.

1044
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:50,290
He has, he has what he calls the,

1045
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:54,930
um, the porous self and the buffered self.

1046
00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:58,750
And the way the porous self is, is

1047
00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:03,210
the ego that lives in a cosmos in

1048
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:05,490
a universe where things happen to you.

1049
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:06,550
Okay.

1050
00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:10,870
The spiritual, the spiritual things are, are, they

1051
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:13,230
exist independent of you and they can affect

1052
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:13,550
you.

1053
00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:15,890
They can, they can interfere with your life

1054
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:20,040
in some way versus the buffered self, the

1055
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,600
modern self where we feel like we are

1056
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,240
the cause of all actions.

1057
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,320
We're the initiators.

1058
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,040
We're the prime mover of the things that

1059
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,900
happen in this world.

1060
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:31,100
There's no thing that can just enter into

1061
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,780
us without our, you know, without our, without

1062
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:35,200
some other human acting.

1063
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,900
And so he, he said, he said, he

1064
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:38,420
defines it.

1065
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:41,040
He says the buffered self is, uh, the

1066
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,780
agent who no longer fears demons, spirits, spirits

1067
00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:45,800
or magic forces.

1068
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:46,940
Okay.

1069
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:49,540
So the reason I, cause I'm re the

1070
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:52,640
reason I'm bringing this up is that this

1071
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,360
is a very, I the more subtle a

1072
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,080
thing is, the harder it is to sort

1073
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,100
of keep in your head.

1074
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:04,000
And, and I think we, we have to

1075
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,820
look at the endeavor that we are doing

1076
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:10,180
with the podcast index in the same way.

1077
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:11,500
Okay.

1078
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:14,620
You can compare this to an, um, an

1079
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:18,900
easier to understand example would be the 17th

1080
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,780
amendment to the U S constitution.

1081
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:28,420
Um, the 17th amendment changed the way senators

1082
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:33,540
are elected to Congress used to the states,

1083
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,120
the state legislature of each state elected to

1084
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,640
the two senators that went to the, to

1085
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,160
the Senate.

1086
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:47,320
Then in 1912 or 13, 12, 1913.

1087
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:47,540
Yeah.

1088
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:47,660
Okay.

1089
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,380
1912.

1090
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:51,860
Well, it was, it was, um, I'm sorry.

1091
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,060
It was, it was accepted into the constitution

1092
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:55,180
on, in 1913.

1093
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:56,020
Okay.

1094
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,380
All right.

1095
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,340
1913, the 17th amendment changed that to where

1096
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:02,400
now senators are about popular vote.

1097
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,240
So now the people of people, direct direct

1098
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:06,620
vote.

1099
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:12,520
Now this is the 17th amendment is completely,

1100
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,620
uh, lost to most people, to the American

1101
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:18,100
mind.

1102
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,820
Nobody even, nobody ever thinks about this amendment.

1103
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,340
It seems completely innocuous.

1104
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,000
It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic,

1105
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,780
but it was a critical change.

1106
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,900
The constitution was set up in such a

1107
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:40,680
way that no, um, no, no entity would

1108
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,700
ever be trusted over and above another entity.

1109
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,740
So they were all placed in direct opposition

1110
00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:49,580
to one another, even the people.

1111
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,060
So the people, you know, you have the

1112
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:55,240
president versus Congress, the Congress versus the judiciary,

1113
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,180
the federal versus the states, the state versus

1114
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:03,080
its own people, the people versus the people

1115
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,940
by virtue of the house of representatives versus

1116
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:08,240
the state by virtue of the Senate.

1117
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:10,860
So you had every, the whole idea of

1118
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:12,620
the American system is you have to have

1119
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:16,200
opposing centers of power at every single step

1120
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,280
because you can't ever trust any one with

1121
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,120
too much power.

1122
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,040
The mob, the people don't get special privilege.

1123
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:25,920
They can do, they can do bad stuff

1124
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,180
too.

1125
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:28,800
You know, if, if somehow you got 51

1126
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,580
% of people in your state to vote

1127
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:33,180
that, you know, child abuse was okay.

1128
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,700
Well, that's not cool either.

1129
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:37,560
So, you know, the, the, the people don't

1130
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,980
get this special power that, that everybody that

1131
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:43,020
overrides every single other thing.

1132
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:45,300
Can I just stop you for one second?

1133
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:46,460
Yeah, sure.

1134
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:51,540
This is how genius and well thought out

1135
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:56,760
computer code is written from this type of

1136
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,340
thinking.

1137
00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:00,700
Eat my shorts, AI.

1138
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,100
You just scoop up GitHub and just spit

1139
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:07,700
that crap out.

1140
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:08,460
That's right.

1141
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:09,360
All right.

1142
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:09,660
Sorry.

1143
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,120
No, that's all right.

1144
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:11,780
Yeah.

1145
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,460
But like, it seems so this, this idea,

1146
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:21,200
so this is again, another situation where the

1147
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,480
modern mind doesn't understand what the mind of

1148
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,760
1830 had for an American, like we just,

1149
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:31,940
we don't get it.

1150
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:34,000
It's, it's lost.

1151
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:35,940
It's also not taught and there's a lot

1152
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:37,080
of issues there, but yeah.

1153
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,920
We don't, we don't think like the idea

1154
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,260
that the state itself would have a voice

1155
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:45,960
that's different from the people.

1156
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,760
That's just a completely foreign concept.

1157
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,640
And so going through all that, you know,

1158
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,400
we, we don't even, we look at the

1159
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,740
17th amendment and we don't even understand why

1160
00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:59,640
it was any other way to begin with.

1161
00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:59,900
Right.

1162
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Is what I'm trying to say.

1163
00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:08,920
So it's what, what Charles Taylor's trying to

1164
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,120
say in his book is that every social

1165
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,740
movement has within itself the seeds of its

1166
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:17,720
own reversal.

1167
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,580
And that's, that's true of it.

1168
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,480
That's true of everything.

1169
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,860
And he goes step by step and shows

1170
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:28,620
how the, the Protestant reformation is, is the

1171
00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:33,480
single biggest reason why we have the modern

1172
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,360
non-spiritual mind today.

1173
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,880
It was a complete, it was a complete

1174
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,840
reversal of what they thought was going to

1175
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,060
be, was going to happen.

1176
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,580
And you can go further and say that

1177
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:53,400
it's really only that thing which can produce

1178
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,060
its opposite.

1179
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:59,720
In some unique way, the Protestant reformation created

1180
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,580
the non-religiousness of the modern day.

1181
00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:05,480
And so, and only in a, in a

1182
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,000
way that only it could.

1183
00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:10,720
And it's important that we, I think we

1184
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,340
have to humble ourselves on when we get

1185
00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:19,620
into technology, technological solutions, especially with standards bodies,

1186
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:25,280
with trying to propose Amen, brother.

1187
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:25,800
Amen.

1188
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:27,300
You, you're preaching now.

1189
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,320
Yeah.

1190
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:31,080
I mean, you, we, because if we're not

1191
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,080
careful, we will do the exact opposite of

1192
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,880
what we intend.

1193
00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:37,140
Yes.

1194
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:39,800
We will think we're solving problems and what

1195
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,940
we're doing is creating A bigger problem down

1196
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:43,460
the line.

1197
00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:44,420
Right.

1198
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:48,680
We are, we're, we're seeding the destruction of

1199
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,820
the thing we're trying to fix.

1200
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:54,820
And so this bring, so when it comes

1201
00:47:54,820 --> 00:47:59,780
to the decentralization question, you know, number one,

1202
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,560
podcast directories are really important.

1203
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:07,660
Um, like you, you can't, I didn't, I

1204
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:09,540
kind of didn't realize how important they were

1205
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:11,020
until we started building Godcaster.

1206
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:11,580
Yeah.

1207
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,780
And podcast directories, whether it's Apple or us,

1208
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:23,480
they serve a critical role in the podcast

1209
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,120
ecosystem.

1210
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:27,760
And you just like, if you don't exist

1211
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,540
in a podcast directory, you're just not going

1212
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:30,260
to be found.

1213
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:30,640
Right.

1214
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:35,500
Um, and you know, well before, and before

1215
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,920
you say, well, Google, you know, you can

1216
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,700
just Google for it.

1217
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:41,720
Well, that just moves the problem up one

1218
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:42,020
layer.

1219
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,560
I mean, you're not really solving, you know,

1220
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,940
because Google's the same thing.

1221
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:49,120
There's always been this uncomfortable tension between decentralization

1222
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,480
and findability.

1223
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:54,380
That's why phone books existed, you know, because

1224
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:56,620
they, they fixed this problem of nobody could

1225
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:58,400
figure out anybody's phone number because it's a

1226
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:58,940
secret number.

1227
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,840
Then only, you know, and in this, in

1228
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,900
a URL, it's just a secret number that

1229
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,000
only, you know, and you, you gotta be

1230
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,020
able to tell everybody what it is, you

1231
00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:10,900
know, in the cell phone age, people traded

1232
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:11,900
numbers offline.

1233
00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:13,780
Well, even worse, even worse.

1234
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:17,240
I would say that humanity has gone from

1235
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:20,040
understanding, and I'll just use humanity, has gone

1236
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,220
from understanding your RSS feed is your, your

1237
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:28,440
home to, well, I just better upload everywhere,

1238
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,080
which is kind of worse.

1239
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:33,700
It is worse.

1240
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:36,240
Yeah, it is worse because now you have

1241
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,020
multiple points of centralization.

1242
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:41,180
You have this, like, you know, sort of

1243
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:44,000
like multiple claims of authority.

1244
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:44,340
Yeah.

1245
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,220
Claim of authority.

1246
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:45,760
That's right.

1247
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,520
And so what's interesting is in the cell

1248
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,540
phone era, we don't really have phone books

1249
00:49:53,540 --> 00:49:57,620
anymore, and people just trade their numbers amongst

1250
00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:58,140
themselves.

1251
00:49:58,580 --> 00:50:00,360
Like, I want you to know how to

1252
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,600
get in touch with me, so I give

1253
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,140
you my number.

1254
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,160
And we've sort of gotten away.

1255
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,240
There's really no central place to go and

1256
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:09,660
find anybody's phone number anymore.

1257
00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:15,060
Well, unfortunately, unfortunately, our information has been sucked

1258
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:17,340
out of our phone so often that you

1259
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:20,640
can find my phone number, my previous phone

1260
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,980
number, my current address, everything except my social

1261
00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:24,740
security number.

1262
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,100
And even that's probably readily available anywhere online.

1263
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:29,780
But that's a detail.

1264
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:31,880
You know, you got to those are like

1265
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,540
doc sites that you got to pay for

1266
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:34,020
and stuff.

1267
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:35,980
I mean, most people don't use those.

1268
00:50:36,060 --> 00:50:39,080
I mean, that's you got to be kind

1269
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,160
of creepy to even use that.

1270
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,660
You have no idea how many pieces of

1271
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:45,740
U.S. postal mail I get people saying,

1272
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:46,580
hope you don't mind.

1273
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:47,920
I just looked up your address.

1274
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:51,760
Did you ever used to get spammed in

1275
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,040
the physical mail from your ICANN registrations?

1276
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:58,040
Back in the day.

1277
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,580
I mean, now I get spam from some

1278
00:51:01,580 --> 00:51:05,680
other outfit that says, you know, this is

1279
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,620
about this.

1280
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:09,120
This domain is about to let me see

1281
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,280
if I can find who it is.

1282
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,300
This domain is about to expire.

1283
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:14,460
ICANN ERRP.

1284
00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:19,400
It's from no reply at expiration warning dot

1285
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:19,780
net.

1286
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,100
And it says, oh, according to our records,

1287
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:22,700
you know, is about.

1288
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:23,900
And then there's a link.

1289
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,920
And then, oh, you can just transfer to

1290
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,600
our service.

1291
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,500
It'll be much better.

1292
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:29,640
Nice.

1293
00:51:29,860 --> 00:51:30,000
Yeah.

1294
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:30,520
Yeah.

1295
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,340
So, yes.

1296
00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:33,320
But I used to get paper from ICANN.

1297
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:33,660
I did.

1298
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,000
Sure.

1299
00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:37,660
That Ben Rose is saying that's not true.

1300
00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:39,180
I'm in hundreds of scammers databases.

1301
00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:41,300
I'm not saying that you don't exist in

1302
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:41,880
a database.

1303
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,340
What I'm saying is we all used to

1304
00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:47,960
get the phone book and we could look

1305
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,100
up each other's numbers.

1306
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,680
Like that's not a thing anymore.

1307
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:53,540
If I want to go find Ben Rose's

1308
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:56,540
number, I'm either going to go to a

1309
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:59,000
doxing site and pay 20 bucks and try

1310
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,820
to figure it out.

1311
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:00,120
Right.

1312
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Or I'm just not going to get it.

1313
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:03,220
Like, that's just that's what I'm saying is

1314
00:52:03,220 --> 00:52:04,740
that it's not like Google.

1315
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,620
There's no phone book.

1316
00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:06,760
There's no phone book.

1317
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,620
And so this is sort of where we're

1318
00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:12,680
at with the with the podcast directories.

1319
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:19,800
I feel that we we can take we

1320
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,040
we can decentralize in a way.

1321
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:30,260
Like cell phones have where everything becomes diffuse.

1322
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,600
And the idea that we're working with and

1323
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,700
and I say we because I'm I'm bouncing

1324
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:41,140
this stuff off of off of Alex a

1325
00:52:41,140 --> 00:52:45,220
lot because he's kind of we've we've talked

1326
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:48,700
about so much Alex and I've talked about

1327
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:54,940
so much sort of decentralization tech that we

1328
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:57,500
can kind of like immediately know where each

1329
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:58,060
other's going.

1330
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,640
So it's it's a quick iteration step with

1331
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:00,780
him.

1332
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,840
So we've been experimenting with some, you know,

1333
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,320
with Eero, which is what I talked about

1334
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,620
a couple of weeks ago.

1335
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:10,780
There's a let me throw this in the

1336
00:53:10,780 --> 00:53:11,300
boardroom.

1337
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,540
There's a good YouTube video.

1338
00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:21,630
See, there's a good YouTube video.

1339
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:29,970
Is this thing doing paste?

1340
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:31,810
Yeah, there we go.

1341
00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:32,030
All right.

1342
00:53:32,050 --> 00:53:34,090
So there's a good YouTube video about Kadimlia.

1343
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:35,950
Yeah, I'll put this in the show notes

1344
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:36,230
too.

1345
00:53:38,170 --> 00:53:41,330
And so this is a distributed hash table.

1346
00:53:41,470 --> 00:53:42,930
I'm not going to get into distributed hash

1347
00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:44,550
table stuff because you can just watch the

1348
00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:44,850
video.

1349
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:46,030
It's very easy to follow.

1350
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:49,970
It's probably the best explanation of DHTs I've

1351
00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:50,490
ever seen.

1352
00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:54,550
And it makes it very easy to understand

1353
00:53:54,550 --> 00:53:56,010
how these things work.

1354
00:53:57,850 --> 00:54:02,390
The video uses like some, you know, well,

1355
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:03,810
whatever we'll leave that be.

1356
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:06,290
But it's a really good overview.

1357
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:09,050
And that's sort of this is where I'm

1358
00:54:09,050 --> 00:54:11,690
thinking about going with the index.

1359
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:15,130
And that's what I've already begun to build

1360
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:16,570
some test stuff with.

1361
00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:18,410
Sexy.

1362
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:23,470
So here's the initial sketch.

1363
00:54:26,570 --> 00:54:32,930
Is we build out a peer-to-peer

1364
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:37,570
hole punching package.

1365
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:42,170
So you would join a gossip, sort of

1366
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:44,290
peer-to-peer gossip mesh.

1367
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:47,750
Okay, you would download this software.

1368
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:49,770
From us.

1369
00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:51,710
Hole punching what?

1370
00:54:53,810 --> 00:54:56,190
I'm just saying it's like a mesh, you

1371
00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:57,950
know, where it's peer-to-peer mesh, where

1372
00:54:57,950 --> 00:55:00,730
you're like, it does like NAT traversal to,

1373
00:55:00,890 --> 00:55:02,050
you know, so we can set up a

1374
00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:03,370
peer-to-peer link through a NAT.

1375
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:04,010
Got it.

1376
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:04,390
Got it.

1377
00:55:04,690 --> 00:55:04,870
Yeah.

1378
00:55:05,090 --> 00:55:05,310
Yeah.

1379
00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:08,330
And so the idea is you would download,

1380
00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:13,650
you would download this software from us and

1381
00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:14,530
run it.

1382
00:55:15,870 --> 00:55:18,910
And then it would wait for you to

1383
00:55:18,910 --> 00:55:20,550
plug in a ticket.

1384
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:24,090
And so the ticket is this offline thing.

1385
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:25,790
It's like, it's equivalent to me giving you

1386
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:26,490
my phone number.

1387
00:55:27,850 --> 00:55:31,810
Now you can find the topic to join

1388
00:55:31,810 --> 00:55:34,850
and you begin to get the gossip messages.

1389
00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:38,870
Then, so there's going to be sort of

1390
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:43,150
a master or main node, which would be

1391
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:43,890
the index.

1392
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:44,590
Okay.

1393
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:47,590
Initially, and now just, you know, don't jump

1394
00:55:47,590 --> 00:55:49,390
too far ahead because this is all just

1395
00:55:49,390 --> 00:55:51,810
the initial work here.

1396
00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:52,210
Okay.

1397
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:56,510
Initially, there would be a master node that's

1398
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:58,030
holding the database.

1399
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:58,850
Okay.

1400
00:55:58,930 --> 00:56:00,950
And this is, think of what I'm describing

1401
00:56:00,950 --> 00:56:02,510
here as sort of phase one.

1402
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:07,370
There's a master node holding the database and

1403
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:11,970
a node joins the gossip topic and says,

1404
00:56:11,970 --> 00:56:15,270
Hey, I'm a node and I'm ready to

1405
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:15,970
do some work.

1406
00:56:16,810 --> 00:56:18,870
Give me some feeds.

1407
00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:24,670
The index grabs a slice of the database.

1408
00:56:25,850 --> 00:56:31,300
Let's say 10,000 feeds that it hands

1409
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:34,540
10,000 feeds to this node that just

1410
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:34,980
joined.

1411
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,420
And the node begins to aggregate those feeds.

1412
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,080
So it becomes its own independent aggregator.

1413
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,100
It no longer needs the index.

1414
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:49,260
It's going to exist independently.

1415
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,680
It can, it can function off by itself.

1416
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,540
And it's just going to start churning through

1417
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:56,320
these, through these feeds, looking for changes.

1418
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,480
It's going to every now and then ping

1419
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,180
the topic.

1420
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,220
And when I say ping the topic, I

1421
00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:03,940
mean, everybody sees this ping.

1422
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:04,720
Okay.

1423
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,680
There might be, let's say there's 500 nodes.

1424
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,480
The 500 nodes in the, that are all

1425
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,820
paying attention to this topic.

1426
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,640
They are all heart beating, which means they're,

1427
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,880
they're pinging saying, I'm still here.

1428
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,580
I'm still doing some work.

1429
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:20,740
I'm doing this.

1430
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,600
Whenever a certain time limit passes and the

1431
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,460
node doesn't ping, it doesn't ping.

1432
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:28,560
It doesn't get sent a heartbeat.

1433
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:32,200
The index takes that work that it assigned.

1434
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:34,460
It takes it back and says, okay, this,

1435
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:35,860
this node has gone away.

1436
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:38,280
So we're going to take this node, this

1437
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,200
work away and wait for someone else to

1438
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,660
be, to be ready for some work.

1439
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,840
And then we'll give that to them.

1440
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,520
And so in the, in that way you

1441
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,680
could split up, you could sort of shard

1442
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,380
the database amongst a whole bunch of different

1443
00:57:53,380 --> 00:57:56,960
nodes and they could all act as independent

1444
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:57,740
aggregators.

1445
00:57:58,340 --> 00:58:02,460
And when they find something new, they can

1446
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:06,620
ping the topping and say, Hey, uh, I

1447
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:08,160
found a hash change.

1448
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,600
So this feed changed.

1449
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,640
So the index would know to go and

1450
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,800
reap and re-pull that feed.

1451
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,740
So you can think of it sort of

1452
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:20,720
like a, a blue collar pod ping in

1453
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:21,180
that way.

1454
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,980
You know, this is not so, and, and

1455
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:25,720
again, this is not all the, all the,

1456
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:29,260
all the pod ping hosts, Buzzsprout, you know,

1457
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,660
Spreaker, that Blueberry, their RSS.com, they're, they're

1458
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:36,440
not going to be, they're not going to

1459
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,100
need this.

1460
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:40,440
These are, this is only for this humongous

1461
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,860
chunk of like, you know, diverse feeds coming

1462
00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:46,960
from all over the place that don't do

1463
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,480
pod ping.

1464
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,660
And so of that, let's say there's, let's

1465
00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:54,700
say there's 2 million, two and a half

1466
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:56,160
million in the index that do that.

1467
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,080
We can slice up the index, assign it

1468
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,780
to, you know, a couple hundred nodes, and

1469
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:03,020
we really can start churning through these things.

1470
00:59:03,820 --> 00:59:05,080
You know, we got to be careful.

1471
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,340
We got to do it slow enough where

1472
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:09,260
we don't DDoS, but we can really start

1473
00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:12,160
churning through these feeds and come up with

1474
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,740
sort of a, a distributed aggregation system where

1475
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:20,240
the index doesn't have to do all the

1476
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:26,320
work itself, but it's, it's tracking the, the

1477
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,740
signals coming back from these nodes saying, okay,

1478
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:30,340
I found something.

1479
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:37,160
So they're really doing the aggregation and discovery

1480
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:37,840
and aggregation?

1481
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:40,600
Initially, yes.

1482
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:41,200
Okay.

1483
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,360
So we start with aggregation, distributed, decentralized aggregation.

1484
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:48,860
That's, that's where we start.

1485
00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:50,920
And I think you can see the next

1486
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,720
step like phase two would be.

1487
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:54,700
Okay.

1488
00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:57,460
We're all in the same topic together.

1489
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,840
The index is, is sort of acting like

1490
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,740
a, a manager here acting like the, the

1491
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:05,360
centralized.

1492
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:06,440
Yeah.

1493
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:07,780
Masternode.

1494
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,980
I think since president Trump was elected, you

1495
01:00:09,980 --> 01:00:11,740
can use the term masternode again.

1496
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:12,480
I'm not sure.

1497
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:12,900
Okay.

1498
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,760
Well, somebody said mother.

1499
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,400
How about mothership?

1500
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,080
Come on.

1501
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:19,020
Mothership.

1502
01:00:20,580 --> 01:00:23,160
So the, the index initially is acting like

1503
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,580
the mothership, but you could see that other

1504
01:00:27,580 --> 01:00:30,920
nodes could join and become an index.

1505
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,040
Yes.

1506
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:32,560
Right.

1507
01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:32,960
Yeah.

1508
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,320
And so you could say, well, now we've

1509
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,000
got in to use a, a sysadmin term,

1510
01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:43,840
but now we have active active, you know,

1511
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,580
instead of just active and a bunch of

1512
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:48,020
passives.

1513
01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:52,000
So now we can have multiple people that

1514
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,220
are tracking, if they're following pod ping and

1515
01:00:55,220 --> 01:01:00,280
they're following the distributed aggregation topic, they can

1516
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,720
really just be an index.

1517
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:02,900
Here's the question.

1518
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:05,820
How does it work in the reverse for

1519
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:09,540
moderation such as my feed change?

1520
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,280
Can you change this in the index?

1521
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,540
Um, my feed, you know, I need an

1522
01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:17,600
episode, uh, uh, is deleted need to refresh.

1523
01:01:21,220 --> 01:01:23,220
Um, I think you would, I think it's

1524
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:25,840
going to by necessity be the same way

1525
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,820
that mastodon functions, whereas you can throw out,

1526
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,760
you can throw this delete sort of thing

1527
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,200
out there.

1528
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:32,940
Yeah.

1529
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:36,240
And, uh, then it's up to everybody else,

1530
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,300
whether to honor it or not.

1531
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:37,720
Okay.

1532
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:43,780
You know, um, yeah, Archie saying is at

1533
01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:44,660
least a split brain.

1534
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:45,020
Sure.

1535
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,320
Yeah, it does.

1536
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:48,080
I mean, you can have certain, certain things

1537
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:53,760
and, you know, but the, the split brain,

1538
01:01:54,020 --> 01:02:01,660
uh, problem is, is I'm, I'm less worried

1539
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:05,600
about it in this setup, uh, than I

1540
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,220
would be if honestly in something that's truly

1541
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:13,580
like a, um, a slave to database setup,

1542
01:02:13,660 --> 01:02:17,860
you know, cause then you, then you, you

1543
01:02:17,860 --> 01:02:19,120
know, everything's fine.

1544
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,880
And then you find out one day that

1545
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,420
you're, that you're, you know, slave, uh, SQL

1546
01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:27,040
server has drifted from the master, you know,

1547
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:28,160
for the last three weeks.

1548
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,260
And then you're like, Oh, I mean, this

1549
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:33,240
is like, it's up to everybody.

1550
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:38,640
It's up to everybody else to, um, to

1551
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:39,180
pay attention.

1552
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,200
So I'm in my adversarial mode.

1553
01:02:42,980 --> 01:02:45,160
So now I want to hijack the Joe

1554
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,280
Rogan feed and I want to tell everybody,

1555
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,820
no, no, this is the new feed for

1556
01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:49,560
Joe Rogan.

1557
01:02:50,580 --> 01:02:53,440
Some people will accept that and others will

1558
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,900
look at it and go, no, no, no,

1559
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:55,160
no, no.

1560
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:55,860
That's not right.

1561
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,020
So does it come down to the mothership

1562
01:02:58,020 --> 01:02:59,200
to make that determination?

1563
01:03:01,830 --> 01:03:04,390
The, so here, there's a couple of things

1564
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:05,470
I think we would have to do.

1565
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:08,950
Uh, number one, we would have to send,

1566
01:03:09,090 --> 01:03:11,890
we would have to have some facility to

1567
01:03:11,890 --> 01:03:18,180
where, um, we, you would have to, in

1568
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:21,900
order to join the topic, you would have

1569
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:23,520
to, you, You have to, you have to

1570
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,880
pass initiation tests with Adam and Dave.

1571
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,180
In a funny way.

1572
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:32,520
Like, you know, on the, cause that's kind

1573
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,620
of what we do now with, with, um,

1574
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:38,840
Podping for Podping.

1575
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:40,180
If you want to join, if you want

1576
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:42,860
to send Podpings to podping.cloud, you have

1577
01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:44,300
to, you have to ask for a key.

1578
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:44,940
Yeah, that's true.

1579
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:45,500
That's true.

1580
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,560
And there's a little bit of a vetting

1581
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:48,760
process that goes through there.

1582
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:50,460
You know, uh, Eric, yeah.

1583
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:52,580
Eric mentioned a proof of work and, um,

1584
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:54,560
you know, uh, Alex has mentioned that too.

1585
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,580
A proof of work.

1586
01:03:56,740 --> 01:03:58,760
Um, that could be, you know, cause there,

1587
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,280
there could be a sort of side chain

1588
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,740
here that I'm just spit ball and we're,

1589
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,380
we're, we're not there yet, spitball, you know,

1590
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,720
sort of side chain that feeds back into

1591
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,860
this, this thing where you can read it

1592
01:04:12,860 --> 01:04:13,360
back in.

1593
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:14,860
So you have pot.

1594
01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:16,560
So I guess what I'm saying is you

1595
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,980
have Podping, which always serves the purpose that

1596
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:22,620
it's designed for, but we have to be

1597
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:24,340
realistic that there's going to be this certain

1598
01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:26,640
section of feeds that are just never going

1599
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,340
to Podping and, and it's not going to

1600
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:35,040
be a small chunk and that thing needs

1601
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,820
its own sort of net to catch with.

1602
01:04:40,220 --> 01:04:43,160
And if you catch those feeds and you

1603
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,560
combine it with Podping, you can build an

1604
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,640
index of your, by yourself.

1605
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,080
Now, if you are, if you, let's say

1606
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,160
you pass the test, you get a ticket

1607
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,220
to join the topic and you know, we

1608
01:04:59,220 --> 01:05:02,280
sign your, your tick, your joining ticket, you

1609
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:07,060
join the topic and you say, okay, your

1610
01:05:07,060 --> 01:05:09,080
node announces that it's been L that it's

1611
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,280
elevating itself to be an S sort of

1612
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,320
an authoritative node.

1613
01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:15,380
Like we, we give you that signing authority.

1614
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:17,480
We sign your ticket in a way where

1615
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,840
you, you're allowed to do that.

1616
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,500
And you say, okay, you know, uh, Dave

1617
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:28,320
sent me a, a signed, uh, ticket because

1618
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:33,900
I'm rss.com and, you know, I'm highly

1619
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:36,320
trusted and I'm going to run an index

1620
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:36,720
node.

1621
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:40,960
Well, we would have to have some facility

1622
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,840
where if rss.com is worried that their

1623
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,920
index node has drifted, they could ping the

1624
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,900
topic and say, you know, Hey, can I

1625
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:54,700
get an update?

1626
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:56,520
Can we sync?

1627
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,660
Because I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm worried

1628
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:04,300
that my, my feed URLs for this section,

1629
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,240
maybe this section are off.

1630
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,880
And so we could all have a sync

1631
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,260
function that, that makes sure that we're all,

1632
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,820
we're all having serving the same data, you

1633
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:16,080
know, and I think it would just have

1634
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:16,860
to be like that.

1635
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:18,180
I think there would have to just be

1636
01:06:18,180 --> 01:06:21,220
certain people, you know, everybody could follow.

1637
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,940
Everybody could sort of like folding at home,

1638
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,540
that old node software.

1639
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:27,800
Do you remember that stuff where you had

1640
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,960
the protein folding thing on, you could download

1641
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,260
it and run it on your computer?

1642
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:34,440
No, I had, I had a search for

1643
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,040
extraterrestrial intelligence.

1644
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:36,720
I had this set.

1645
01:06:36,780 --> 01:06:36,920
Yeah.

1646
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,880
That, that kind of thing.

1647
01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:43,120
So initially everybody, anybody could join that and

1648
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,440
say, Hey, I want to do some, that

1649
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,340
node aggregation.

1650
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:46,960
I'm going to help you do some feed

1651
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:47,400
aggregation.

1652
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,360
And that would be just a workhorse activity

1653
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:50,940
that anybody could run on their machine.

1654
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:53,740
But if you want to go above that

1655
01:06:53,740 --> 01:06:55,740
and have the ability to act as an

1656
01:06:55,740 --> 01:07:01,940
actual authoritative index node, meaning, meaning we could

1657
01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:05,280
also forward HTTP calls to you from the

1658
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,300
API, then, then you have to be vetted,

1659
01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:10,820
you know?

1660
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,760
It would, you know, it's interesting because if

1661
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,000
it were very similar to what SETI was,

1662
01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:21,560
it'd be very exciting because SETI was a

1663
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:21,900
bummer.

1664
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,140
You know, you just, you just, your computer

1665
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:25,720
was just running and nothing ever happened.

1666
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,460
You never got a, an attaboy, you never

1667
01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:30,980
got any like, Hey, you know, you did

1668
01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:31,680
something cool.

1669
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,840
It's just like, Oh, you sent off some

1670
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:33,280
blocks.

1671
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,200
You know, if you tell me that, Hey,

1672
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,560
I aggregated so many feeds and I sent

1673
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,260
this much into DHT, I'll feel good about

1674
01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:40,520
it.

1675
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:41,180
Sure.

1676
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,440
Well, Bimrose says, we give you that authority.

1677
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,200
This sounds less and less decentralized by the

1678
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,120
moment, but remember, but it's not decentralized because

1679
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,700
I said we, okay, initially it's initially it's

1680
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:55,240
me because we're bootstrapping it.

1681
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:59,920
But the we is the, is the community

1682
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,520
that's going to participate in this thing.

1683
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,440
And then you'll have all these, these copies

1684
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,800
of the index, basically.

1685
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,560
Then if you don't like it, you know,

1686
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:09,220
I'm, I don't trust these guys.

1687
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,440
I'm going to go and sit on this

1688
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:10,760
node.

1689
01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:15,430
I see it as a lot, very similar

1690
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:17,870
to the way the PKI works now, the

1691
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:18,830
public key infrastructure.

1692
01:08:19,649 --> 01:08:24,350
There's the, the cab, the certificate authority group

1693
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:25,970
or whatever they're called, the cab alliance.

1694
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:30,510
And the, I mean, the guys who are

1695
01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:36,569
really spying on us, you know, authorities, they

1696
01:08:36,569 --> 01:08:40,510
invest, they invest authority in each other as

1697
01:08:40,510 --> 01:08:42,990
a group and they police each other as

1698
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:43,410
a group.

1699
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:47,870
And so if, you know, if, if we

1700
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:52,189
have a future time where we're running part

1701
01:08:52,189 --> 01:08:53,770
of, you know, we're running an index node,

1702
01:08:54,189 --> 01:08:58,210
rss.com's running an index node, Bussprout, Blueberry,

1703
01:08:59,010 --> 01:09:02,210
you know, let's say we have seven of

1704
01:09:02,210 --> 01:09:04,010
them, seven big ones.

1705
01:09:04,130 --> 01:09:04,310
Okay.

1706
01:09:06,290 --> 01:09:08,609
If somebody else comes in and wants to

1707
01:09:08,609 --> 01:09:12,490
run an index node, let's say, let's say

1708
01:09:12,490 --> 01:09:17,689
that Pocket Cast wants to, well then if

1709
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:19,830
six months down the line, you know, like

1710
01:09:19,830 --> 01:09:22,910
we would all, we would all say, yeah,

1711
01:09:23,029 --> 01:09:24,970
this is, we, we trust this person.

1712
01:09:25,649 --> 01:09:27,390
Let's do, you know, let's, let's give them

1713
01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:28,390
a key.

1714
01:09:29,609 --> 01:09:32,710
Then six months down the line, their index

1715
01:09:32,710 --> 01:09:34,450
node is just serving crap data all the

1716
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:34,810
time.

1717
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:38,330
You know, as a group, everyone can decide

1718
01:09:38,330 --> 01:09:39,569
that this is, you know, we need to

1719
01:09:39,569 --> 01:09:43,330
take them out of the pool of, of

1720
01:09:43,330 --> 01:09:45,390
serving end of serving API data.

1721
01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:49,350
So, I mean, there has to, you can't

1722
01:09:49,350 --> 01:09:50,330
trust the internet.

1723
01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:51,350
What?

1724
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:55,890
I mean, wait, you know, you cannot trust

1725
01:09:55,890 --> 01:09:59,150
the internet to just like give you, you

1726
01:09:59,150 --> 01:10:02,850
know, one, you know, one wonderful things all

1727
01:10:02,850 --> 01:10:03,450
the time.

1728
01:10:03,670 --> 01:10:06,090
There has to be humans making decisions at

1729
01:10:06,090 --> 01:10:07,710
some turn, but I don't want it to

1730
01:10:07,710 --> 01:10:08,330
just be me.

1731
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:10,270
I want it to be a group of

1732
01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:11,810
people that have proven to be trustworthy.

1733
01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:15,310
And that includes anyone who's willing to take

1734
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:16,230
on that responsibility.

1735
01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:21,810
And so decentralizing doesn't mean, you know, like

1736
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:23,950
it doesn't mean deauthorizing.

1737
01:10:24,230 --> 01:10:28,590
It just means, it means spreading the authorization

1738
01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:31,430
for this stuff through a larger number of

1739
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:35,430
people so that there's no single point of,

1740
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:37,750
of trust or everybody has to think Dave's

1741
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,290
the good guy, you know, or, or whatever.

1742
01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:43,130
Cause I mean, James may want to run

1743
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:44,510
part of a node, you know, part of

1744
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:44,970
the index.

1745
01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:47,970
Like James may be interested in running all

1746
01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:53,270
of the, uh, the index, uh, shows that

1747
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:56,990
are exactly out of Australia.

1748
01:10:57,230 --> 01:11:00,110
So, which funny enough in that section, funny

1749
01:11:00,110 --> 01:11:02,310
enough is how the initial iPod or worked.

1750
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:05,450
If you remember, we had the world outline

1751
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:07,130
OPML world outline.

1752
01:11:07,870 --> 01:11:08,330
Totally.

1753
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:08,630
Yeah.

1754
01:11:08,690 --> 01:11:10,270
And I, and I had the top node

1755
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:11,850
and I pasted in all these, it was

1756
01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:12,850
done by geography.

1757
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:15,730
And there was someone who was, uh, running

1758
01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:17,550
the, the Holland node.

1759
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:20,370
And then that person delegated that sub nodes

1760
01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:22,330
to that, to someone who was doing science.

1761
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:23,910
Someone was doing tech, you know, et cetera,

1762
01:11:23,970 --> 01:11:24,590
et cetera, et cetera.

1763
01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:27,210
I mean, it, it, it worked really well.

1764
01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:30,230
I mean, the, the technology wasn't spiffy, but

1765
01:11:30,230 --> 01:11:32,030
the concept worked really well.

1766
01:11:33,010 --> 01:11:34,970
And that was a decentralized directory.

1767
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:35,410
Totally.

1768
01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:38,010
You know, and, but, but you had to

1769
01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:38,990
initially.

1770
01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:42,410
Now I'm not saying we can never get

1771
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:45,730
to a point where it's completely automated, but

1772
01:11:45,730 --> 01:11:48,970
initially at least to, to, to, to get

1773
01:11:48,970 --> 01:11:51,070
down the road of where we want to

1774
01:11:51,070 --> 01:11:51,410
go.

1775
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:52,830
I like it.

1776
01:11:52,890 --> 01:11:56,190
You know, we have to, we have to

1777
01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:59,050
take these, we have to take the steps

1778
01:11:59,050 --> 01:12:00,850
to make sure that we're not just going

1779
01:12:00,850 --> 01:12:03,450
to, you know, shoot ourself in the foot.

1780
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:04,870
And I don't, I don't want to build

1781
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:09,810
another, you know, proof of work, blockchain sort

1782
01:12:09,810 --> 01:12:10,230
of bit.

1783
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:11,810
I don't want to have to reinvent Bitcoin

1784
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:14,150
to get some sort of like deauthoritated, you

1785
01:12:14,150 --> 01:12:16,190
know, like, because it's hard enough just to

1786
01:12:16,190 --> 01:12:16,890
build this stuff.

1787
01:12:17,050 --> 01:12:17,950
We can do that late.

1788
01:12:18,030 --> 01:12:18,910
We can do that later.

1789
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:21,850
Um, you know, because what's going to be

1790
01:12:21,850 --> 01:12:24,910
required is going to be the, the peer

1791
01:12:24,910 --> 01:12:28,770
to peer stuff on top of the aggregator,

1792
01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:30,250
which I started building yesterday.

1793
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:33,830
The new aggregators, because, because now every node

1794
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:35,090
has to be able to aggregate.

1795
01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:37,350
So it has, you know, there's going to

1796
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:38,910
have to be a new, uh, all the

1797
01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:40,710
peer to peer stuff and a new aggregator

1798
01:12:40,710 --> 01:12:42,610
and a parser and a local database.

1799
01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:43,550
I mean, there's, there's going to be a

1800
01:12:43,550 --> 01:12:44,190
lot of work.

1801
01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:49,150
Um, so we can initially just sign tickets

1802
01:12:49,150 --> 01:12:51,510
ourselves to let people do stuff.

1803
01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:54,670
And then later we can, you know, we

1804
01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:57,570
can layer on something that will maybe do

1805
01:12:57,570 --> 01:12:59,970
it in a more, you know, zero trust

1806
01:12:59,970 --> 01:13:00,350
model.

1807
01:13:00,670 --> 01:13:02,790
Well, Dave, I got five gigabits of fiber.

1808
01:13:02,970 --> 01:13:04,770
I got a start nine and an umbrella.

1809
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:05,910
I'm ready to go.

1810
01:13:06,230 --> 01:13:07,190
You're ready to roll.

1811
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:09,350
We'll melt that on your Hill country.

1812
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:11,310
Node is geared up and ready.

1813
01:13:12,370 --> 01:13:12,570
Yeah.

1814
01:13:12,610 --> 01:13:14,890
I mean, like I would love to, I

1815
01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:18,610
would love to forward API calls to, you

1816
01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:21,550
know, for no agendas section of the index

1817
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:25,950
to Hill country dot com, whatever.

1818
01:13:26,290 --> 01:13:26,450
Yeah.

1819
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:27,290
Yeah.

1820
01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:28,190
I love it.

1821
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:29,470
Wow.

1822
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:30,650
You want to, you want to play a

1823
01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:31,830
song to cleanse our palette?

1824
01:13:32,710 --> 01:13:33,390
Yes, please.

1825
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:34,330
And I gotta, I gotta pee.

1826
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:34,890
Okay.

1827
01:13:34,970 --> 01:13:36,150
Well, you can pee, but you only have

1828
01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:38,210
two minutes and 44 seconds because it's a

1829
01:13:38,210 --> 01:13:38,830
short song.

1830
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:40,850
Um, I've been a little bit out of

1831
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:42,470
the loop and I went to see what

1832
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:45,350
was in the podcast index dot top.

1833
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:47,550
I see the doorfalls have released a new

1834
01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:50,030
song this month and a song last month,

1835
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:51,390
and I want to play one of them.

1836
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:52,230
This is now.

1837
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:54,710
I know from the door full verse, you

1838
01:13:54,710 --> 01:13:57,550
know, you're getting older when you feel like

1839
01:13:57,550 --> 01:14:00,450
a kid and your eyes are so tired

1840
01:14:00,450 --> 01:14:02,030
and there's hair on your chin.

1841
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:05,690
Mom always said, be young while you can.

1842
01:14:05,970 --> 01:14:08,070
Now I know what she meant.

1843
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:14,430
I always wanted to grow up fast and

1844
01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:15,870
skip out of school.

1845
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:17,750
Pack of my bags.

1846
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:21,410
You'll get your chance.

1847
01:14:46,130 --> 01:15:04,730
Oh, oh,

1848
01:15:04,730 --> 01:15:04,830
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1849
01:15:04,830 --> 01:15:04,930
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1850
01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:05,030
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1851
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:05,130
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1852
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:12,950
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1853
01:15:12,990 --> 01:15:13,190
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1854
01:15:13,190 --> 01:15:13,290
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1855
01:15:13,290 --> 01:15:14,110
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1856
01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:15,390
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1857
01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:15,490
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1858
01:15:15,490 --> 01:15:15,590
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1859
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:15,690
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1860
01:15:15,690 --> 01:15:15,790
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1861
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:16,830
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh I wouldn't

1862
01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:19,790
let the memories live while they pass Now

1863
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:29,720
I know everything I wanted I had At

1864
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:41,480
least And I

1865
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:44,860
try to be honest But honestly, it's hard

1866
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:49,380
When the future's not in store You worry

1867
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:59,250
about me Now I'm not there anymore I

1868
01:15:59,250 --> 01:16:03,130
just wanted to be a man I couldn't

1869
01:16:03,130 --> 01:16:06,570
stop thinking about what I didn't have I

1870
01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:09,650
wouldn't let the memories live while they pass

1871
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Now I know everything I wanted I already

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had I just wanted to be a man

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Couldn't stop thinking about what I didn't have

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I wouldn't let the memories live while they

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01:16:24,810 --> 01:16:27,710
pass Now I know everything I wanted I

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01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:35,060
already had Dorfels, Now I Know on Podcasting

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01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:37,400
2.0 Thanks for not boosting everybody, appreciate

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it Go back, you can rewind and you

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01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:45,800
can boost Boost them, boost those Dorfels So,

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looking at the time We want to thank

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01:16:48,020 --> 01:16:49,380
some people, that was good by the way

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And our first live boost that I have

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01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,000
to read actually pertains to it Okay From

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01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,520
Cole McCormick 11.11 Dave Jones is lighting

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01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,720
up the world right now Connecting philosophical, spiritual

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truths and podcasting That's so my vibe I

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01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,280
need a whole new podcast where Dave dives

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01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,660
deep into these topics Truly incredible line of

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thought from the pod, sage, godspeed gentlemen And

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go podcasting There you go Thank you ChadF3333

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for the Dorfels Deez Laughs with 11.11

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Boosting, for more Boostergram Ball How many sats

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01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,560
to get my record play Bribing DJs and

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sats is the new way forward I agree

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Hit me up with your Bitcoin bro, full

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Bitcoin Make Canada America Go podcasting Who said

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:37,980
that?

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01:17:38,180 --> 01:17:41,580
Deez Laughs, he's a Canadian The Canadians want

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it, they want to be a part of

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it They want to be the 51st state

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Thank you Dave Jones for the propaganda breakdown

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:52,940
and reading lists We have 11.600 From

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01:17:52,940 --> 01:17:55,720
anonymous podcast guru user There's that guy again

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01:17:56,260 --> 01:17:59,300
Your vape box popping sound was audible during

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01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:01,960
your Joe Rogan podcast At least your other

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01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,880
shows you don't hear the actual sucking in

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01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,240
of the air Like it did on Rogan,

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01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,800
this is true That's because I have a

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noise gate And sometimes the pop I always

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try to move away from the gate Just

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01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,760
from the mic when I vape But sometimes

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,780
the popping is just too loud Yeah Darren

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01:18:19,780 --> 01:18:25,520
O, wow 21,425 sats Valentine's Day's boost

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Listen to Planet Rage, planetrage.show Thank you

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There's our 777 from Sam which I read

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01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:35,580
earlier And we have Let me see Hit

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the delimiter Let's see, we've got We got

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a good PayPal week Nice Yes Let me

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say one more thing real quick On the

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importance of directories That's the reason Apple owned

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podcasting Is because of their open API on

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01:18:59,820 --> 01:19:02,360
the directory Is because they had the directory

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01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,920
And we'll never solve that problem Until we

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solve this problem So we got And that's

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a big That's an important statement Because when

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it's open like that And everybody knows that

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01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,160
it's open It will become the directory Yeah

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Whoever owns the default directory Of podcasting Owns

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a significant Power within podcasting itself And so

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it has to be spread out It has

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01:19:31,620 --> 01:19:36,300
to And right now we have power No

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01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:39,640
The power we're trying to Offload as fast

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01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,240
as possible We're trying to get rid of

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:51,940
that power Exactly $500 Wow From

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01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:54,820
Pete Warden He says Pete?

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01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:56,120
I don't think I've ever heard of Pete

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01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,020
Have you heard of Pete?

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01:19:57,660 --> 01:20:00,180
I don't know Pete He just says Thanks

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01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:02,940
for the great service And that's all he

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01:20:02,940 --> 01:20:09,280
says Well let's defragment him Thank you Thank

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01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,860
you so much Pete Appreciate that Oh guess

1942
01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:18,560
who this is $200 from John Spurlock Whoa

1943
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,100
Hello John Spurlock Paula Shot caller 20 inch

1944
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:25,780
blaze on the Impala Did he have a

1945
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:26,040
note?

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01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,860
He says thanks for re-running those Omni

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01:20:28,860 --> 01:20:30,760
feeds Take those crawlers out for a nice

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:37,040
dinner Crawling to dinner Spurlock I think your

1949
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:44,480
Node is broken Whatever Yeah Comic strip blogger

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01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,760
said there were three Red payments and one

1951
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:53,400
of them was Was his His boost Chapter

1952
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,000
thingy my bob Oh that's not good Because

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01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,280
that thing's cool Yeah it's very cool Okay

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01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,140
well we've got Oh and $200 from Oscar

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01:21:03,140 --> 01:21:08,580
Mary Paula Shot caller 20 inch blaze on

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01:21:08,580 --> 01:21:11,020
the Impala Thank you Oscar and thank you

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01:21:11,020 --> 01:21:14,880
for making payments great again Baller baller baller

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01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,320
Baller And we've got Podverse Mitch and the

1959
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,840
boys at Podverse $50 Yeah we'll give you

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01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,060
a big boost Thank you We've got some

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01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:31,920
booster grams Somewhere I've been running Albie Hub

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01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,620
On my Start 9 And so I've listened

1963
01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:37,260
to all my shows I always stream 200

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01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:40,980
sats a minute To everybody I'm a podcast

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01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:42,620
guru I look at podcast gurus like all

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01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:45,260
these payments have failed What's going on I

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01:21:45,260 --> 01:21:50,700
stream to Power Pod News This Week in

1968
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:55,320
Bitcoin And I Rebooted my node but you

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:59,700
have to Manually unlock Your Albie Hub Oh

1970
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:04,140
no You've been streaming with nothing There is

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01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:05,840
an auto unlock which I found Which is

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01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,040
cool but I just Was not aware of

1973
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,000
that Is it the webhook thing?

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01:22:10,940 --> 01:22:12,820
No it's not a webhook thing it's in

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01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:17,760
the console On your node I have that

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01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,420
balance Of Satoshi's daily report For our node

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01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:22,560
and it just stopped working I just got

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01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,300
an empty message And it even does that

1979
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:27,560
on the console I don't know what's wrong

1980
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,980
So I've got to figure out And I

1981
01:22:29,980 --> 01:22:32,980
tried to run it Without redirecting the output

1982
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:34,760
and just use like a verbose Switch and

1983
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,200
it just gives me nothing It's just like

1984
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,200
it's completely blank I don't know It's pulling

1985
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,020
boosts okay but it's just not That's too

1986
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:44,520
bad I don't know how to get in

1987
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,360
there Can you like you can pull up

1988
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:48,940
like ride the lightning Or something and check

1989
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:50,280
the node and just make sure it's okay

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01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:51,080
Our node?

1991
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,520
Yeah That's what I'm talking about I'm talking

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01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,860
about the podcast index I'm sure it is

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01:22:58,860 --> 01:23:03,020
but sure sure sure Node On voltage you

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01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:07,340
mean yeah Yeah on voltage Let me check

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01:23:07,340 --> 01:23:11,540
man Let me get in there Adam Curry

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01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,920
Lightning those To Podcast index it says running

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01:23:20,620 --> 01:23:23,280
Oh an update To your node is available

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01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:28,480
Nope Let's not do that Can you ride

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01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:31,100
the lightning And like just check it I

2000
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:35,400
can try Ride the lightning or thunder hub

2001
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,760
They have thunder hub Yeah it It usually

2002
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:45,320
crashes Thunder hub Was not meant for The

2003
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:50,880
girth of our node The girth It's provisioning

2004
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,720
It's provisioning I almost got scammed by the

2005
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,660
way By a fake Alex Bosworth Oh wow

2006
01:23:57,660 --> 01:24:02,480
I didn't tell you this No you almost

2007
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,760
logged in To the node by giving them

2008
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,600
our password No no no nothing like that

2009
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,360
It didn't get that far What happened was

2010
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:14,100
I was trying to export our transactions For

2011
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:18,340
taxes and stuff To the Spreadsheet like I

2012
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:21,980
do every year Around this time It takes

2013
01:24:21,980 --> 01:24:24,560
days to export Out of balance of satoshis

2014
01:24:25,540 --> 01:24:28,000
Balance of satoshis kept giving me an error

2015
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,660
About an hour Into the export Last year

2016
01:24:32,660 --> 01:24:34,460
the same thing happened And I got on

2017
01:24:34,460 --> 01:24:37,640
to the telegram channel For balance of satoshi

2018
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,040
support And I said Hey here's the error

2019
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,060
I'm getting It was a node memory error

2020
01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:45,620
I was like here's an error I'm getting

2021
01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:50,180
What should I do And Alex Bosworth responded

2022
01:24:50,180 --> 01:24:53,540
And he said Try doing this He gave

2023
01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:55,340
me something to try and rerun the command

2024
01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:57,200
I was like ok yeah sure So I

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01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,500
did that and then like two seconds later

2026
01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:03,940
He DMs me On a private chat And

2027
01:25:03,940 --> 01:25:07,100
says did that work He said did that

2028
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:10,820
work Ooh dangerous And I was like I

2029
01:25:10,820 --> 01:25:15,180
don't know It's still running And so Telegram

2030
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:19,360
DMs Yeah so it's still running And he's

2031
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,720
like ok just let me know If it

2032
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,520
works I was like ok So then about

2033
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,040
30 minutes later He's like did it finish

2034
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,240
or is it still running And I was

2035
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,040
like I'm like it's still running And I

2036
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,300
was like I'll let you know And then

2037
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:37,020
so I Messaged him back and I was

2038
01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:39,140
like Ok it's done and he's like Did

2039
01:25:39,140 --> 01:25:41,060
you get an error and I'm like no

2040
01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:44,840
So he's Going along with this tech support

2041
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:49,060
And then at some point he's like Do

2042
01:25:49,060 --> 01:25:52,180
you have a Cryptocurrency wallet you can Attach

2043
01:25:52,180 --> 01:25:54,140
to this node And I was like what

2044
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,820
Cryptocurrency wallet What And I'm so far into

2045
01:25:59,820 --> 01:26:02,780
this at this point Mentally it doesn't even

2046
01:26:02,780 --> 01:26:05,940
Compute I'm like What do you mean cryptocurrency

2047
01:26:05,940 --> 01:26:09,920
wallet He's like I can suggest a wallet

2048
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:15,380
And I was like Red alert I was

2049
01:26:15,380 --> 01:26:19,680
like lol Nice try delete So I couldn't

2050
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,820
connect with Thunder Hub It crashed right away

2051
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:26,380
so I connected With Zeus and we are

2052
01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:30,160
Receiving streaming sats I just don't know why

2053
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,040
the I don't know why the Balance of

2054
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,080
Satoshi Was there an upgrade to Boss Was

2055
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,500
there a software update because it may be

2056
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:43,060
Incompatible with our version That may be true

2057
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:45,140
Since we're behind one But if I update

2058
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:47,800
our node like we're offline For five hours

2059
01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:53,040
Yeah it may be I'll ask What's our

2060
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,600
Buddy's name over there Graham I'll ask him

2061
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:03,520
About the update We got Gene Bean 1337

2062
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,860
sats He says this is just cool I'm

2063
01:27:07,860 --> 01:27:10,080
in Ghent Belgium For a conference listening to

2064
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,220
podcasting 2.0 In Castamatic and sending Sats

2065
01:27:13,220 --> 01:27:14,980
via my Albi Hub at my house in

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01:27:14,980 --> 01:27:17,960
Georgia in the US by Way of Telscale

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01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,020
Tunnel It has to a VPS in Ashburn

2068
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:23,860
Virginia Just like I would on a normal

2069
01:27:23,860 --> 01:27:25,800
day in Georgia No borders or exchange rates

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01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,180
are getting in the way Beautiful, beautiful It

2071
01:27:28,180 --> 01:27:35,960
does work Satchelor Richard From Rascalart 1111 sends

2072
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,160
through Podverse He says cheers, appreciate the info

2073
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:40,160
I don't know what info we gave them

2074
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:41,860
It was something good, it was cheers worthy

2075
01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:46,880
SaltyCrayon2222 RoaDux the podcast guru He said howdy

2076
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:51,100
boardroom Had to relook at the date Hasn't

2077
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:53,600
been a boardroom meeting Since January 31st Yes

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01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,000
we're bad Unfortunately missing this one due to

2079
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,720
a road trip Welcome back in the pipe

2080
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,480
And then we got The Delimiter comic strip

2081
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:09,640
blogger 15515 through Fountain That's a quadfecta Of

2082
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:14,720
apps No no no We got Castamatic Podverse

2083
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,860
Podcast guru and Fountain Four boosts from four

2084
01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:23,820
different apps Nice Comic strip blogger says Howdy

2085
01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:26,660
Dave and Adam Firstly congrats to Adam on

2086
01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:30,820
Huge life achievement Scoring another Joe Rogan experience

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01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:36,040
this week Huge life achievement Unlocked It's huge

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01:28:36,820 --> 01:28:40,880
Even though Adam's Parlor trick slur deeply offended

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:47,080
Our AI over Secondly Joe is Texan now

2090
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,640
And I'd like to recommend a Brill podcast

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01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,740
www.just2goodolboys.com Made in Texas by Gene

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01:28:54,740 --> 01:28:58,320
and Ben They talk tech Hose and guns

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01:29:00,260 --> 01:29:07,300
Yo CSB Thank you CSB Tag Hose and

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01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:09,280
guns That's their tagline That's what you need

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01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,740
Let's see what we got We got some

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monthlies Chad Pharaoh Chad F $20.22 Cameron

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Rose $25 Kevin Bay $5 Mark Graham $1

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Martin Lindeskog $1 Podpage Brendan $25 Randall Black

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$5 Joseph Marocca $5 Basil Phillip $25 And

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01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:38,060
then there's Lauren Ball $24.20 Wow, good

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week Well it's two weeks really Thank you

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01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:45,340
all so much We got more Mitch Downey

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$10 Christopher Harabaric $10 Terry Keller $5 Silicone

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Florist $10 Chris Cowan $5 Damon Kasajak $15

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01:29:57,220 --> 01:30:02,180
Paul Saltzman $22.22 Derek J.

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Visker The Best Name in Podcasting $21 Yaron

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Rosenstein $1 Jeremy Gerds $5 Thank you all

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01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:14,220
for supporting PodcastIndex.org And we are always

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happy to do this We're happy to be

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a part of the group And it keeps

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01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:20,500
everything running Until we can get rid of

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01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:24,900
ourselves It's the best crowdfunding scheme ever Fire

2113
01:30:24,900 --> 01:30:28,320
yourself Put ourselves out of business That's how

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01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,520
we want to roll Thank you all so

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01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,860
much Really appreciate that Go to PodcastIndex.org

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01:30:32,860 --> 01:30:34,960
You can see a big red donate button

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01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,820
You hit that to send us fiat fund

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01:30:36,820 --> 01:30:39,260
coupons Or of course you can just boost

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01:30:39,260 --> 01:30:40,960
us You can always send a bitcoin on

2120
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,520
-chain We'll accept that Do we have a

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01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:45,820
node?

2122
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:47,160
A bitcoin address?

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01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:48,240
I don't know if we have a bitcoin

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01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:52,460
address Some rich person, some sugar daddy The

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node, right?

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The node address Yeah, I guess Yeah, you

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can get it off Ambles, right?

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Let me see Do we have...

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I don't think we have anything PodcastIndex Donate,

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what's the big donate podcast?

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It's the PayPal I'll have to put something

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up there Anyway, thank you all, we appreciate

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that And wow What a difference from two

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weeks ago When people were like, you only

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talk about AI And what did we talk

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about today?

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We talked about decentralizing the index And philosophy

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It's a beautiful thing You're a beautiful man,

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Dave Jones Oh, well thank you I'm humbled

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Hey Boredoom, thank you very much We'll be

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back next week And looking forward to it

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We will continue this discussion and many more

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All about podcasting 2.0 See you then

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everybody