Episode 102: Down With OP3

1 00:00:00,690 --> 00:00:06,270 Casting 2.0 for September 16 2022, episode 102 We're down 2 00:00:06,270 --> 00:00:11,160 with OB three Hello everybody. Welcome once again to the board 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,740 meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Everything that happened this 4 00:00:13,740 --> 00:00:17,160 week in podcasting 2.0 Of course all that's going on with a 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,000 namespace value for value. All the groovy stuff happening in 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,380 podcasts index dot social. I'm Adam curry deep in the heart of 7 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:28,470 Georgia and in Alabama. I'm waving at him right now. He 8 00:00:28,470 --> 00:00:31,410 feels SO CLOSE say hello to my friend on the other end. Mr. 9 00:00:31,410 --> 00:00:32,850 Dave Jones. 10 00:00:33,390 --> 00:00:35,430 I can see Georgia from my house. 11 00:00:35,820 --> 00:00:39,510 Is that the Yeah, there you go. Sarah the callback? Yeah, that's 12 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:40,170 a good one. 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,270 It actually never happened like so many of these things. 14 00:00:42,570 --> 00:00:46,530 Well, you actually can see Russia from Alaska just maybe 15 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:49,620 not from her house and she never said it. She never actually said 16 00:00:49,620 --> 00:00:52,860 it was What's your face the actress on Saturday Night Live. 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:59,850 It was the thing where was that that that effect where you 18 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:03,000 remember Mandela Effect? Mandela? That's it, man. 19 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:07,860 Real man. Real man's real man. Yep. 20 00:01:07,860 --> 00:01:13,620 And they're staying bears. So I'm go ahead. You're in the 21 00:01:13,650 --> 00:01:15,510 you're in the enemy territory. So 22 00:01:15,690 --> 00:01:19,800 Oh, I see. Yes. from Alabama. I gotcha. Well, it feels like I'm 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,320 not at all in enemy territory. Although it may sound a little 24 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,220 bit boomy. I'm in the kitchen of a cabin here. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,550 I literally do do do do do I 26 00:01:29,550 --> 00:01:31,470 have not heard banjos? Yeah, so I think we're 27 00:01:32,610 --> 00:01:35,250 well you're you're in South Georgia, not North Georgia. So 28 00:01:35,250 --> 00:01:36,090 you're saying well this is 29 00:01:36,090 --> 00:01:40,080 Bluffton, Georgia at White Oak pastures which is pretty famous 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,690 if you're into beef and regenerative farming will Harris 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,870 is the is the owner of this has been in the family for since 32 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:54,120 1886. Or some crazy length of time. And this is the Big Beef 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,620 coin. Beef coin, the beef I need to write that one down. 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,800 Okay, basically, coin I gotta read it before the day is out. 35 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:08,430 There will be an old coin way that name somebody will also 36 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:10,020 launch a beat Bitcoin blockchain. 37 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:16,380 Let's do funny. Yeah, so it's not beef coin is the beef 38 00:02:16,380 --> 00:02:20,460 initiative. And it's pretty dynamite. You know, maybe 100 39 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:24,180 People here but a lot of ranchers and Bitcoiners some 40 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:28,260 famous Bitcoiners even so I'm here with thanks a slim. We're 41 00:02:28,260 --> 00:02:33,630 shacking up in this in this cabin. And oh, cozy. That's Q 42 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:39,510 banjo. And. And he's actually upstairs on the balcony doing a 43 00:02:39,510 --> 00:02:42,270 podcast with Robert Breedlove. So it's like it's like this. 44 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:46,140 It's very odd. Very odd situation. 45 00:02:46,620 --> 00:02:49,830 Will there be bandwidth concerns with dueling podcasts? 46 00:02:49,890 --> 00:02:53,040 We hope not so far. So good. I mean, it's it's actually pretty, 47 00:02:53,070 --> 00:02:57,540 pretty decent here. And I flew in from San Antonio to Atlanta 48 00:02:57,540 --> 00:03:02,790 drove down for about three hours. And now it has everything 49 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:06,600 I want to fund drive. You know, that was 185 that was a great 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,740 drive. I mean, really? Yeah. You put on the cruise control. I 51 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:15,780 mean, 65 on the speed limit everyone's doing at his blast 52 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:18,210 and down as beautiful as it was the 53 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:22,920 one that goes all the way to Orlando from like Atlanta. I 54 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:28,260 don't know. That might be 85 but 185 it was nobody there's just 55 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:32,940 nobody out there. Now he's I was going to Jones in first muscle 56 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:36,930 speed down the street down that highway. 57 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:42,390 Yeah, well, you I mean, you're you're doing the tour of the 58 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:45,870 South. I am you're trying to mate. You're trying to hit every 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,500 every every point you've been what Nashville just this year. 60 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:52,770 Nashville. Georgia, South Georgia. 61 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,480 Wait, did I go to Nashville? 62 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,880 I thought you went to Nashville for meetup. 63 00:03:56,910 --> 00:04:02,610 No, no, no. I got COVID And then it was at the skating rink and 64 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:08,160 instead I dialed in, and I spawned records like that. 70s 65 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,170 Disco records. Dynamite oops, sorry about that. I'm gonna open 66 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:17,490 up the heli pads so we can hear when we get some live boosts. We 67 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:23,700 are live of course we're lit. Just noticed in pod verse that 68 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:28,200 when you hit the when you hit the live notification, it pops 69 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,800 up and it has the album art the album art that you specify for 70 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,950 the live show. So this is a an opportunity. I'm very excited 71 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:37,260 about the next show. Now I want to put some really cool in 72 00:04:37,260 --> 00:04:37,530 there. 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,640 Yeah, so the this has to be new because neither one of us 74 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:46,830 remember this happening before this this can't I don't think 75 00:04:46,830 --> 00:04:48,930 I've ever seen the Albemarle show up on the notification 76 00:04:48,930 --> 00:04:50,190 unless I'm crazy. 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:56,340 Well, I'm digging it is really really cool. And today we also 78 00:04:56,340 --> 00:04:59,730 have the the opp 79 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:02,580 Oh, it is so 80 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:06,840 I don't remember what it stands for. But I remember opp P. 81 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:12,300 It's the original podcast prefix party. 82 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,080 There you go. 83 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,290 I don't know what they got. I have no idea what they don't 84 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:17,910 remember what it is either, but I love it. 85 00:05:18,570 --> 00:05:21,780 So I think we should talk about this real quick because I 86 00:05:21,780 --> 00:05:24,420 immediately went, Okay, I don't know what it is either. I want 87 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:29,040 in I'll do it. I think I understand it. And then Stephen 88 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,700 B, immediately put the functionality into sovereign 89 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:36,450 feed. So all I had to do was check a box. And boom, every 90 00:05:36,450 --> 00:05:40,050 single enclosure has the opp juice. 91 00:05:40,650 --> 00:05:42,930 Yeah, okay, so this Yeah, we need to discuss every bit of 92 00:05:42,930 --> 00:05:46,350 this. Steven B is the as the fastest fingers on the planet. 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,470 To me, it was like two hours start to finish. Boom, done. 94 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,730 It's our fan and it works. I mean, I love Steven B. 95 00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:58,020 Sometimes, you know, he does that and it doesn't work. So I 96 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:59,160 love him. I love him for that. 97 00:06:00,150 --> 00:06:03,420 As it is as it will. It's not a slam dunk still best. 98 00:06:03,479 --> 00:06:05,489 I mean, hey, you run with scissors. Sometimes you get 99 00:06:05,489 --> 00:06:06,989 scratched? Oh, yeah. 100 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:10,410 Yeah, sometimes you get one in the jugular. It just depends on 101 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,280 Oh, I just said it's picking up the episode. So I'm actually 102 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:17,130 going to put that into the into the show notes. 103 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:23,370 And you opp the last stream too. So yeah, yeah, fully Good. Cool. 104 00:06:23,370 --> 00:06:29,580 Is this where as opp that you can possibly LP PP. O Opie? Now, 105 00:06:29,580 --> 00:06:29,760 I'm 106 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,570 not sure if the I don't know if it works on the light. I don't 107 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:37,650 have that yet. I don't I don't know how this thing works. I 108 00:06:37,650 --> 00:06:38,070 don't know what. 109 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:45,810 So the so I'm studying for the show I was doing on Thursday 110 00:06:45,810 --> 00:06:52,800 night, I'm studying for the show. And then. And then John 111 00:06:52,860 --> 00:06:56,610 Spurlock post this thing, which blows up my entire show prep, 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,420 because then I have to just go, you know, a Mobb Deep trying to 113 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:04,470 figure out what this thing is that he just posted in in and 114 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:07,920 then when it when it hit me a couple of minutes into reading 115 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:14,400 what it was, I was like, This is big. Okay, this is this is 116 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,990 really big. Do you have any idea what we're what I mean, here the 117 00:07:18,990 --> 00:07:20,040 idea at all? What this is? 118 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:24,240 Yes. What I think this is, is to be able to, in an open source 119 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,760 manner, see exactly how many people are downloading my 120 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,800 enclosures. And give me all sorts of details like you'd get 121 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,900 from a hosting company, except it's raw data. And does that 122 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:40,350 make sense? 123 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:46,890 Yes, this is this essentially, like, this is essentially like 124 00:07:46,890 --> 00:07:51,240 pod track. are one of those services. Yeah. Does it 125 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,010 accomplishes. I'm not gonna say the same goal because it can do 126 00:07:56,490 --> 00:08:01,590 a lot more stuff. And his aim is different. But it but it can do 127 00:08:01,590 --> 00:08:08,550 the same thing in ED his base at its core. Yeah, meet us said 128 00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:10,710 Spurlock maybe loosely plus not me too, but 129 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,670 I'm losing sleep right now trying to understand how I can 130 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:18,150 use this to my advantage. I mean, I liked it. I just I'm not 131 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:22,890 quite sure what it does for me. Okay, so actually, I do. Sorry, 132 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,770 I do know, and I just got really excited. Okay, let's go. 133 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,170 I knew he was building something. Because he went 134 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:31,410 silent. He went radio silent. Usually, usually, if a guy like 135 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:35,250 Alex or or Spurlock goes goes, they're either dead or they're 136 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:35,550 working 137 00:08:35,549 --> 00:08:37,679 on something. Yeah, we're both both. 138 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:46,110 Hey, cloud. So Cloudflare is what he's using for this in the 139 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:51,690 sense it you, you put this prefix on to your enclosure? 140 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:58,590 Yeah. And so the first so what it ends up being is HTTP s colon 141 00:08:58,590 --> 00:09:03,720 slash slash op three dot dev slash, ie slash, and then the 142 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,630 full URL of your, of your of your enclosure. So that so that 143 00:09:09,630 --> 00:09:13,290 it hits the OP three dot dev server first, 144 00:09:13,289 --> 00:09:16,649 right? And then it registers basically your user agent, 145 00:09:16,649 --> 00:09:17,489 information, 146 00:09:18,179 --> 00:09:23,249 user agent and anything and any URL parameters. And anything 147 00:09:23,249 --> 00:09:26,159 else that's in the header. Okay, so basically, it has that has 148 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:29,849 full access to everything that's in the HTTP request. And 149 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:32,970 it's not tracking IP addresses or anything like that. 150 00:09:33,659 --> 00:09:41,189 So that's where it gets fun because it is track it. So what 151 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:44,519 it does is it you hit you hit the OP three dot Dev, I'm gonna 152 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:47,069 say server in quotes, because it's not even really a server. 153 00:09:48,629 --> 00:09:52,619 In the traditional sense, you hit mp3 dot Dev, it registers 154 00:09:52,619 --> 00:09:55,469 the download records, all of the information that it wants and 155 00:09:55,469 --> 00:10:03,419 trans trans, you know, magnifies it into whatever and Then it 156 00:10:03,749 --> 00:10:06,779 forwards you at three, it does a 302 redirect to the final 157 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:09,629 destination so that you this or that you get passed off to the 158 00:10:09,629 --> 00:10:10,289 correct conclusion. 159 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,420 Ah, okay, so I'm seeing here time you UID hashed IP address, 160 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:18,840 ah hashed IP address hey now cool, 161 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:22,890 right? No, that's hard. No IPs. 162 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:27,119 But this is unique. Of course, this this hashed IP address is a 163 00:10:27,119 --> 00:10:32,369 unique IP address. Yep. Of course, we don't know if it's a 164 00:10:32,369 --> 00:10:38,279 NAT or if it's some, you know, some other type of hub thing. 165 00:10:38,609 --> 00:10:40,829 You never really know what, what's behind it. But I guess 166 00:10:40,829 --> 00:10:42,959 that I don't know what I'm talking about 167 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:48,870 was told me to shut up. Now the source notes a good point, 168 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:52,200 because these are this is what things like the AI based 169 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,920 specifications, tried, one of the things that I tried to do is 170 00:10:56,670 --> 00:11:03,090 look at source IP addresses and still do some filtering, when it 171 00:11:03,090 --> 00:11:06,510 comes to collecting stats from them so that you can say, Okay, 172 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:12,840 this IP address is corporate. So most likely, there's like 150 173 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,680 users behind this. Yeah, exactly. We need to treat this 174 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:20,970 differently from a residential IP address, blah, blah, blah. So 175 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:25,740 there's an aspect of it, because so so that still exists. And 176 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:31,140 that still has to be dealt with. And, and he's going to say he is 177 00:11:31,140 --> 00:11:33,570 open source. So that's the first thing to know all of this is 178 00:11:33,570 --> 00:11:36,090 open source. Anybody can contribute and make these 179 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:39,750 changes and help him make these changes. So it's purely open 180 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:45,030 source, meaning it is also auditable. It can be audited, 181 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:50,490 and he said he's triggering the deployments to Cloudflare from 182 00:11:50,490 --> 00:11:53,730 GitHub, so that you know that the thing you're seeing on 183 00:11:53,730 --> 00:11:56,040 GitHub is actually what the live code. That's 184 00:11:56,789 --> 00:12:01,559 cool. Cool. So it's really just a Cloudflare hack. So it's not 185 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,109 really you said, it's not really a server. I mean, we don't need 186 00:12:04,109 --> 00:12:06,839 to go too deep into it. But it's See, this is the thing with 187 00:12:06,839 --> 00:12:09,929 Spurlock, he walks around and he's, you know, he has a little 188 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:14,099 you think he's a little goofy. And then he's, like, this guy is 189 00:12:14,129 --> 00:12:18,719 a genius. I mean, I would love by the way, you know what I 190 00:12:18,719 --> 00:12:22,979 mean? He's just unassuming very nice. I mean, doo doo doo doo. 191 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:28,109 And, and then this holy crap. He's got some weed that he needs 192 00:12:28,109 --> 00:12:28,709 to share 193 00:12:29,220 --> 00:12:34,530 with. This was there's there are there are geniuses within 194 00:12:34,530 --> 00:12:38,430 podcasting? Oh, heck, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Like legit 195 00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:41,790 genius, real geniuses. Yeah. And somebody, you know, somebody 196 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:45,900 like Alex pops out with a pod ping, you know, with a pod ping 197 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:49,380 Docker that you can run on Google. And it's like, what the, 198 00:12:49,410 --> 00:12:54,600 you know, it's like, this is one of those things. So if you it's 199 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,920 running running on Cloudflare workers, which are sort of like 200 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,430 Amazon lambda functions, meaning that you can 201 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,050 you can run JavaScript do a very one function, only one very 202 00:13:07,050 --> 00:13:09,720 small instance for Yeah, I got, yeah, one 203 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,190 font, yes, one function and it spins up the runs the function 204 00:13:14,190 --> 00:13:17,550 and then goes away. They're ephemeral effects, ephemeral 205 00:13:17,550 --> 00:13:21,630 code that just runs valance on Cloudflare is infrastructure 206 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:26,310 cool. On but it runs on the edge, meaning that it runs in 207 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:30,510 the local data centers where we're where it's triggered from. 208 00:13:30,539 --> 00:13:34,469 Yes, I see that as an edge colo parameter that's passed off and 209 00:13:34,469 --> 00:13:37,199 I see a lot of Dallas Fort Worth, and I see a couple of 210 00:13:37,199 --> 00:13:37,829 SUNY 211 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:42,030 Atlanta, there's like 200, and something novels 212 00:13:42,029 --> 00:13:44,069 dop, listening Cridland go to bed. 213 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,539 There's like 200, and something. Edge data centers for 214 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,849 Cloudflare. Because we're global. And these things run 215 00:13:54,359 --> 00:13:58,979 locally, so that you get by default, you get region you get 216 00:13:58,979 --> 00:14:03,929 region coverage. So you can say I've got this many listeners in 217 00:14:03,959 --> 00:14:07,079 the Atlanta region 218 00:14:08,009 --> 00:14:11,159 in Fort Worth, is there an export to Excel option? Yes. 219 00:14:13,980 --> 00:14:14,940 Know, yeah, no, 220 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:20,430 I love the JSON. But it'd be nice to have an export to XML. 221 00:14:21,029 --> 00:14:25,289 Yeah, that is coming down coming down the pipe. So and then you 222 00:14:25,289 --> 00:14:28,919 have he's also he's storing it in I forgot the name of it. It's 223 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:32,759 like there, it's not there. key value store, durable objects as 224 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:36,299 it Cloudflare durable objects, which is a distributed database 225 00:14:36,329 --> 00:14:42,539 across all the colos. So I mean, this thing is, is very 226 00:14:42,539 --> 00:14:46,169 lightweight from an from a 227 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,760 from marine resources standpoint, 228 00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:55,409 yeah, it's heavy on Cloudflare system, but they, but they have 229 00:14:55,409 --> 00:14:58,859 the bandwidth to do it. And they make it available so that it's 230 00:14:58,859 --> 00:15:01,649 not cumbersome for you to run as an administrator. 231 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:05,670 Where do you think edge CoLo? Y Y Z is located? 232 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,620 No, that's Toronto. Oh, you know what? No that no. 233 00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:13,620 Because you're the pod sage. I don't have to question. 234 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:17,760 No, sir. Our, our, our guest, I think we have a guest in the 235 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,320 lobby. Our guests can back me up today. That is the origin of the 236 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,820 song. Why was he by rush? 237 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:27,840 Oh, do we want to bring our guests in already? I mean, our 238 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,090 guest doesn't know how to talk. I mean, he's not going to be a 239 00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:30,600 dud. 240 00:15:31,140 --> 00:15:37,680 No. Yeah, I would it can we send Can we send Travis out there to 241 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,280 get our guests 242 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:42,179 on a second? Let me see if I can ping Travis. 243 00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:53,010 Okay. Do you like how I used a used a male reference name to 244 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,600 for the assistant instead of 245 00:15:57,899 --> 00:16:02,969 open the door Travis. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the 246 00:16:02,969 --> 00:16:08,579 official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 The man who you 247 00:16:08,579 --> 00:16:12,809 thought you knew from his podcast, but it turns out, he 248 00:16:12,809 --> 00:16:16,979 has a Wikipedia page. This guy is unbelievable. And of course 249 00:16:16,979 --> 00:16:20,009 the host of the intergalactic boombox, please say hello to 250 00:16:20,009 --> 00:16:26,099 Kyle ybert Hey, hey. Oh, there he is. 251 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,120 How's it going, Kyle? Hey, it's 252 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,950 going great. How are you guys? 253 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:34,500 Yeah, we're good. We're doing good. I'm amazed that this is 254 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:38,280 working at all having having all these different, different 255 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,900 streams coming in at the same time. 256 00:16:40,590 --> 00:16:41,400 Oh, yes. 257 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:46,410 Yeah, firstly, in feed. They do so we do use clean feed as part 258 00:16:46,410 --> 00:16:47,340 of your professional work. 259 00:16:48,149 --> 00:16:53,579 Actually, I don't sometimes I've used different things like Zen 260 00:16:53,579 --> 00:16:57,389 caster and things for like podcast interview type stuff, 261 00:16:57,389 --> 00:17:01,979 but for myself, I'm all 100% Post produce, so it's me. Yeah. 262 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:03,089 And Adobe Audition. 263 00:17:04,410 --> 00:17:06,270 And you're aware in Burbank? 264 00:17:06,809 --> 00:17:09,449 Yeah. Burbank, California, everybody now 265 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,260 How long have you been up? There? I am. Sally, because I 266 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:16,140 live I live there I live right near Burb? I live in the hills 267 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:17,310 overlooking Burbank. 268 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:21,570 Oh, nice. Yeah, like at the top of the hill is that that radio 269 00:17:21,570 --> 00:17:23,610 tower and on the other side is the Hollywood sign. 270 00:17:24,869 --> 00:17:27,059 You've got it all man. You've got the dream. You live in the 271 00:17:27,059 --> 00:17:29,219 dream. How many homeless tents are there? 272 00:17:31,349 --> 00:17:35,429 It keeps growing every year. It's amazing. I'm telling I 273 00:17:35,429 --> 00:17:39,209 moved out. I moved out here in 2005 from Dallas. So basically, 274 00:17:39,209 --> 00:17:42,209 I'm a Texan even though I'm from Louisiana, Lake Charles with a 275 00:17:42,209 --> 00:17:46,469 bear is a common name like Smith or Jones, though. Sorry, Dave. 276 00:17:46,469 --> 00:17:48,479 Yeah, you gotta you gotta come in last name. 277 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:53,310 I do. Yeah. Yeah. When I told when my wife we met. We met in 278 00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:59,460 Moscow and came home and she said, and she said, Mom, I told 279 00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:02,880 her mom, she's like, Mom, I met a guy in and her mom was like, 280 00:18:02,910 --> 00:18:06,180 Oh my God. And you know, like, she met a Russian. She's like, 281 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:09,630 No, no. She was like, no, no, no, he's from he's from here. 282 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:12,150 His name is Dave Jones. And she's like, tell me the truth. 283 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:14,010 His name is Igor. It's 284 00:18:15,329 --> 00:18:20,639 such a generic name you know? So I've been told that the way you 285 00:18:20,639 --> 00:18:23,879 properly address Hollywood people is to say Kyla, love your 286 00:18:23,879 --> 00:18:24,359 work 287 00:18:26,579 --> 00:18:29,579 you have to add a man to the end there it's got to be more love 288 00:18:29,579 --> 00:18:34,469 your work man. Really love it. They still say that? They still 289 00:18:34,469 --> 00:18:35,249 say it that way 290 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:39,630 they do i i make more of a living going to conventions than 291 00:18:39,630 --> 00:18:42,690 I do for actually recording vo but yeah, there's a lot of 292 00:18:42,690 --> 00:18:47,040 people that will say you're the voice of my childhood. Because I 293 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,140 started back in 2000 with this little independent anime show or 294 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:57,780 a little tiny called Dragon Ball Z. And it's it's it's fandom is 295 00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:01,530 stronger than ever because the movie this summer Dragon Ball 296 00:19:01,530 --> 00:19:04,710 Super superhero was number one I week it 297 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:07,380 was released. Congratulations. I got a lot of questions. I have a 298 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:09,900 lot of questions about your career if you don't if you will 299 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:12,180 indulge I know it's a little bit outside the boardroom we'd like 300 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:16,860 to know our board members and see it as you know depending on 301 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:25,530 your answers possible increase in benefits so you so you're I 302 00:19:25,530 --> 00:19:28,830 mean, and I put a link to your wiki pedia because people got to 303 00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:35,730 see this. Your filmography is an you know, that includes anime 304 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:40,680 live action series, animation, film, video games. It's 305 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:46,200 unbelievable. And I've and I've tried, here we go. I have tried 306 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,940 for four years to break into voiceover work. You clearly 307 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:54,990 figure it out. And it has to be it has to be for the voice as 308 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:58,050 you can do because I mean, that's you have so many 309 00:19:58,050 --> 00:20:02,550 different I mean not just Voices sounds you can make. This is 310 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:04,230 this. Yeah, you've been doing all your life. 311 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:08,190 I have. And ever since I was a kid watching Looney Tunes and my 312 00:20:08,190 --> 00:20:12,120 dad telling me about Mel Blanc, it's like, oh god job I want to 313 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,790 do that. So growing up in the 70s, I'm taking a little 314 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:17,580 cassette recorder I'm doing you know, silly voices, fake 315 00:20:17,580 --> 00:20:20,970 commercials playing DJ with the turntable playing kiss records 316 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:24,210 and all that. So I was always fascinated by theater, the mind 317 00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:28,110 stuff where I could entertain, and entertain without being seen 318 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:30,150 because I was really shy and really introverted and 319 00:20:30,150 --> 00:20:35,460 everything. So I turned, you know, the shy kid who just keeps 320 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:39,360 to himself and grown up during the high school years being all 321 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:44,100 about metal and Iron Maiden, Judas Priest. Yeah. All that 322 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,750 good stuff. Yeah. How 323 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:50,010 old are you Kyle? I'm 53 Okay, so we're in kind of in the same 324 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:52,890 vein, right? Because I have a similar story from started home, 325 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,860 you know, with with a tape recorder very interesting. So 326 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:57,960 Dragonball Z, that was your breakthrough. 327 00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:01,170 That was the breakthrough in terms of voiceover. I was a DJ 328 00:21:01,170 --> 00:21:07,140 first on radio, Disney. And I was already on this. 329 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,600 So you got the programming. I got 330 00:21:09,599 --> 00:21:14,699 the programming. University of North Texas I got a bachelor of 331 00:21:14,699 --> 00:21:18,149 arts and Radio TV film that turned into a internship with 332 00:21:18,719 --> 00:21:22,079 ABC Radio Networks and was going up and down the hall over on 333 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:26,339 various formats from top 40 to classic country to heavy metal 334 00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:27,389 to kids radio. Oh, 335 00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:34,230 dude. Finally, I meet another DJ who made it out. doesn't happen 336 00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:38,010 often. Usually they die with a U haul attached to the truck. 337 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,510 Oh, they do. But the great thing about satellite radio is, you 338 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:46,080 know, it was it was it was stable. I mean, yeah, the local 339 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,440 level. We're sending syndicated national feeds. This is years 340 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,300 before Sirius XM. And it's aimed at small and mid sized marvels, 341 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:54,780 dude, 342 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:01,320 I'm telling you. I mean, I used to send out CDs every week for 343 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,040 my top 30 hit list. And before that, of course, it was records. 344 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,460 And there's always some dude who wants to be a DJ who have to get 345 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:11,970 up at three in the morning on on Sunday to go into the station 346 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:15,420 and then put my show on. And that was our Cintiq. And it 347 00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:17,700 works. You know, it's distributed throughout the whole 348 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:18,240 country. 349 00:22:18,930 --> 00:22:22,260 That's right. And you, you know, on the local level, you'd be 350 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:25,230 like, You got to have your FCC license and you mow the lawn, 351 00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:30,210 and you're the program director slash, you know, Mark, to juggle 352 00:22:30,210 --> 00:22:33,930 everything. Back in the days when mom and pop operations were 353 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:34,470 a thing. 354 00:22:35,099 --> 00:22:39,359 Good times. Yeah, good times when when radio was still radio. 355 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:45,899 And with podcasting, we've we've approached the same kind of need 356 00:22:45,899 --> 00:22:50,219 from a different angle somehow. Maybe it's modernized. Now the 357 00:22:50,219 --> 00:22:53,039 radio is so much the car I think in general. 358 00:22:54,569 --> 00:22:59,909 Yeah, yeah. Oh, when? When you basically kind of reinvented 359 00:22:59,909 --> 00:23:04,319 radio for the internet. So when podcasting dropped, it was like, 360 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,799 Hey, this is radio for everybody with an internet connection 361 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,399 around the world instant distribution for free. You know, 362 00:23:11,399 --> 00:23:11,939 none of this 363 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:14,970 and no money. FCC lies and no one no money. It's just like 364 00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:17,610 real radio. Yeah, exactly. 365 00:23:17,819 --> 00:23:20,219 Exactly. Monetizing. What's that page? 366 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:27,000 One more question about this. How do royalties work with video 367 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,630 games? 368 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,800 There are no royalties. We call it residuals. There are no 369 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,870 residuals with anime or video. 370 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:35,520 I'm sorry. Yeah, residual. Yeah. Oh, 371 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,870 no, no worries, let's 372 00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:38,700 buy out and shut up. And that's it. 373 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:41,850 That's basically it's like, here's this really obscene ly 374 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:44,640 low fee. Now actually animes, the obscenely low fee, you can 375 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,030 get as low as, you know, 50 bucks an hour, and you're done 376 00:23:48,030 --> 00:23:50,760 recording in a couple of hours unless you have a recurring 377 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,200 role. And even then you can't really pay rent on that. So the 378 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,950 people that are making a living with anime usually are going 379 00:23:58,950 --> 00:24:02,430 around the country or the world sometimes at these conventions, 380 00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:06,690 you know, selling autographs and photo ops and they're able to 381 00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:10,740 monetize that way. So I call conventions, the residuals for 382 00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:12,240 anime and video games. And so 383 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:18,330 now, are you allowed to use the brand name in your appearances? 384 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:22,890 Ah, yeah, don't ask Nortel and one of those tricky things. 385 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:25,590 Yeah. One of those tricky things. Man arts. 386 00:24:25,739 --> 00:24:27,809 Yeah, right. It's a gray area. 387 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,870 I bet there's dynamite groupies at those conventions. 388 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,750 I'm happily married, but 389 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,470 I'm very happily married. We can still talk about dynamite 390 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:38,520 groupies. Come on Kyle. 391 00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:43,980 They're all there. But the thing is, yeah, 392 00:24:44,099 --> 00:24:47,129 the real group is pulling eyes for the female characters. Those 393 00:24:47,129 --> 00:24:47,969 are the groupies. 394 00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:51,480 That's true. That's true. And back in the day, you know, 395 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,930 conventions Comic Cons, comic conventions, anime conventions, 396 00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:59,070 was almost all dudes. Yeah. And then in the 90s and 2000s. It 397 00:24:59,070 --> 00:25:04,590 started becoming appealing to younger ladies. And I like to 398 00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:07,890 say that was just because these dudes that scored hot chicks 399 00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:10,650 ended up just dragging them kicking and screaming to the 400 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:13,410 bed what you're doing this weekend. 401 00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:15,420 I got a, I got a fun idea. 402 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:19,770 Yeah, you're dressed up as this, like who's this and like, trust 403 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:22,560 me, you'll get it. You'll get attention for it. And then 404 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,140 suddenly they liked it, you know, way before selfies in 405 00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:27,720 social media. It's like, oh, you walk two feet. People want to 406 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,760 take your picture, walk another two feet. People take your 407 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,560 picture. You don't get anything done. But yeah, 408 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:35,040 so it's so you do intergalactic boombox, you showed up pretty 409 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,630 early and really with a with a great podcast for the mission. 410 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,840 First of all, you're super talented. It's 10 minutes. So 411 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,710 you just want to listen to it every single time. And you're 412 00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:52,710 using all the 2.0 features. How did you? I'm sure this was 413 00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:55,140 obviously not your first podcasting foray. 414 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:07,470 Um, the that's I say, right, right. Dopo keep that on the 415 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:12,600 agenda the other day? Oh, God, I forgot the question. All right. 416 00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:16,980 Yeah. Is this your first question is, is this your first 417 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:18,990 podcast? And the comment is surely not. 418 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,510 No, no, back in 2005 or six. I got so excited because I was 419 00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:27,870 listening to Adam on daily source code and learning about 420 00:26:27,870 --> 00:26:31,350 podcasting and everything. So So me and my buddy started the big 421 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:34,290 ball broadcast, which was geek News Central, we just go back 422 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:37,500 and forth talking about geek news, because geek podcast are, 423 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:40,470 you know, a dime a dozen. And so it didn't, it wasn't really 424 00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:43,320 successful. But you know, we learned quickly that you don't 425 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,420 get into podcasting to make money, you do it because it's 426 00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:49,200 fun. And, you know, if you can build an audience, that's, 427 00:26:49,230 --> 00:26:53,220 that's icing on the cake. So I did that for a few years. And 428 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:55,680 then you know, just like anything else, you get a little 429 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,680 tired of it, you step away, and then step back in, but God as 430 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,820 soon as you guys started podcasting, 2.0 the podcast, I 431 00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:05,550 was glued, I was listening. It's like this tech, I don't 432 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:08,520 understand that at all. But I really want to be a part of 433 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,850 this. So I would listen and do research about Bitcoin and the 434 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:15,180 Lightning Network. And it started to click like, almost a 435 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:18,330 year later, but it's like, this is a reason this is gonna light 436 00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:21,960 the fire to make me want to come back to podcasting. I want to be 437 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,200 able to do something. I'm a voiceover actor. That's what I 438 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,000 do video games, anime, and we do live action Dubs and feature 439 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,360 films and all that we come in and we're anonymous, basically, 440 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,000 you know, we're not the celebs we just come in, and maybe you 441 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,060 might see a quick, you know, additional voices credit. If 442 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:40,710 you're lucky. You have to pause it 443 00:27:40,709 --> 00:27:44,789 these days. What bastards? I like watching credits because I 444 00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:49,769 know some people in in the business. And it's also I mean, 445 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:52,169 if you watch it on TV, they throw it in the corner, or they 446 00:27:52,169 --> 00:27:55,289 roll it at 20 speed. It's really rude. 447 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,920 Yeah, and then the screen minimizes and it's like, it's 448 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,290 getting ready to go to the next episodes. like wait, I want to 449 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:04,140 see I know people don't count you don't count. 450 00:28:04,409 --> 00:28:08,429 They don't count. That's my daughter too much waiver. Oh, we 451 00:28:08,429 --> 00:28:11,729 went to see Dragon Ball Super the other day. Great. You did 452 00:28:11,729 --> 00:28:16,379 awesome. Man, you Yeah, we loved it. And so we were looking at 453 00:28:16,379 --> 00:28:21,359 were we waited, watching the credits. And it was all the all 454 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,629 the Japanese names, just all it just just showing up for the 455 00:28:24,629 --> 00:28:28,919 entire credits. And then there's like it ended. And then there 456 00:28:28,919 --> 00:28:33,779 was one still shot of all the American voice actors. Yeah, 457 00:28:33,779 --> 00:28:38,189 that's all. Oh, well. One shot or at the end. 458 00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:41,370 Okay. It was actually inserted in other countries that don't 459 00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:42,120 even bother 460 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,660 us like they throw up a JPEG of the American people, you know, 461 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:47,670 do this standard. 462 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:53,670 Yeah, yeah. Sadly, like dub cast for for taking American shows 463 00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:57,120 and WM into French or Spanish or whatever. Those guys get 464 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,510 credits. But for some reason the American cast is kind of tossed 465 00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:02,340 to the side. They're an afterthought. Now I get it with 466 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:05,430 Dragonball Z and anime stuff, because that's primarily 467 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:09,540 produced in Japan. And we're just doing an English version 468 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:12,510 for people who speak English and don't want to read subtitles. So 469 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:18,030 I understand. But yeah, it would have been nice to be like one 470 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:21,480 one singular credit roll with everybody, you know, because 471 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,660 there's so many 1000s of people that work on these projects. And 472 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:27,150 at least Marvel got it right. They'll get people to sit 473 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:30,270 through credits to watch you know, posting. Yeah, I 474 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:31,770 agree. That is a good development. 475 00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:35,550 Like, don't leave you're gonna miss out now. But 476 00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:39,090 you were building your own feed, I guess because you were so 477 00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:42,240 early. There were no podcast hosts that could do a feed with 478 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,080 all the features. 479 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:47,370 Yeah, I trusted my friend to kind of look up how to do an RSS 480 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:50,400 thing. And we hooked in through iTunes, of course, and I don't 481 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,030 think there were very many other outlets back in the day. And we 482 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:57,960 used archive.org to host the files and you know, it never 483 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,450 became an issue because hardly anyone was Sit 484 00:30:02,129 --> 00:30:06,209 and have I don't know about for intergalactic boombox. 485 00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:11,069 I have since learned some things. Oh, here we are I I 486 00:30:11,069 --> 00:30:14,009 heard about you guys talking about different hosting services 487 00:30:14,009 --> 00:30:19,229 and I ended up being with Buzz Buzzsprout I really liked what 488 00:30:19,229 --> 00:30:21,929 they're doing. I listen to buzz cast and all that and I liked 489 00:30:21,929 --> 00:30:24,899 that they've integrated the images and chapters feature 490 00:30:24,899 --> 00:30:28,829 which makes it very easy for me to to upload that stuff. I just 491 00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:31,949 type in the info and there's probably easier ways to do that. 492 00:30:31,949 --> 00:30:34,799 But I'm not a programming guy. So I don't know how to do all 493 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:40,229 the all the fancy stuff and heli pad and all that in hosting your 494 00:30:40,229 --> 00:30:45,689 own node that's above my paygrade so I did I hooked into 495 00:30:45,689 --> 00:30:47,249 the telegram with the 496 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,540 Satoshi stream. 497 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,680 Yes Satoshi stream first Yeah, and then got in with Oscar and 498 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,620 then with fountain it's like we can host your feed like Oh, okay 499 00:30:59,010 --> 00:31:00,270 I see what's going on here. 500 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,599 Excellent. Yeah, that a cast of 501 00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:07,020 Whoa, lo 502 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,050 she got he admitted fountain. 503 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,290 Eggs. No, of course. No, I love all of our apps. You know, I 504 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:19,560 love helping people onboard through fountain but I also love 505 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,790 to date someone said, Hey, man, I really love fountain but I 506 00:31:23,790 --> 00:31:28,050 can't I got visually impaired I can't see shit. And I love being 507 00:31:28,050 --> 00:31:30,480 able to say Oh, check out pod verse. Mitch has actually done a 508 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,050 lot of accessibility stuff. I mean, I love all these options. 509 00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:35,340 That's what makes it so cool. 510 00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:39,840 Yeah, and I plug new podcast apps.com Like, like a crazy. No, 511 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,420 you do. You do. 512 00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:45,840 Now? Have you ever monetized before with your podcast? I love 513 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,850 the word. Have you ever monetized? Kyle? 514 00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:52,080 I love monetize everybody. No, no, that was that was back in 515 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,780 the day when it's like, here's her Pay Pal email. And it's 516 00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:59,220 like, crickets for years. That's like, okay, yeah. But I admitted 517 00:31:59,220 --> 00:32:02,370 myself, I was a fan of all these podcasts. And I didn't donate to 518 00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:05,820 anyone. So it's like, how do you how do you do this? How do you 519 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:09,300 try to. And then came the concept which you guys, of 520 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,780 course, invented with value for value. And that concept kind of 521 00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:16,410 started sweeping and hearing about it more elaborated on with 522 00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:19,440 your various guests of all these wonderful apps different for 523 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,260 different read great for different reasons about value 524 00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:25,350 for value, and how you're trying to get your audience on board 525 00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:28,650 with this great concept of hearing. If you like the 526 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:31,770 content, what do you think it's worth? And yeah, Apple and 527 00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:33,900 Spotify in them. They're not paying attention to that. And 528 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,870 it's like, okay, but look at these developers. They're doing 529 00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:41,040 perfectly functional apps that do things that the big guys 530 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,580 aren't doing. So it's like pulling teeth though, getting 531 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:47,580 people to try new apps much less try new podcast, but 532 00:32:47,609 --> 00:32:50,609 oh, yeah, no, it takes forever. In fact, with Korean the keeper. 533 00:32:50,639 --> 00:32:54,389 I mean, we're at the these, this is a group of people who listen 534 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:59,219 to that show. They don't use an app. They Oh, yeah, they just, 535 00:32:59,219 --> 00:33:01,649 oh, just give me a link and don't just click it and then 536 00:33:01,649 --> 00:33:06,689 just place and, and so I've been arduously have been onboarding 537 00:33:06,689 --> 00:33:11,219 them. And you know, it happens often that Tina will get a text 538 00:33:11,219 --> 00:33:15,179 at 10 at night like okay, how come I can't send Satoshis from 539 00:33:15,179 --> 00:33:19,619 the strike from the strike wallet into the pod verse is 540 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:24,329 it's hard but that was the same 20 years ago with podcasting 1.0 541 00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:28,349 And we had to literally walk people through how to Subscribe 542 00:33:28,349 --> 00:33:31,529 to How To Find The feed which involved a website 543 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:35,910 Yeah, and and now is the uphill battle of trying to convince 544 00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:38,130 people you don't have to convince them the value for 545 00:33:38,130 --> 00:33:40,620 values a difficult thing to understand but trying to 546 00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:44,820 understand Bitcoin that took me years to Yeah, and unfortunately 547 00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:48,420 the the fandom that I speak to on social media platforms, 548 00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:51,840 they're all very anti Bitcoin. It's like, oh, it's a scam. Rip 549 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,360 off this like, oh, yeah, they're, they're not into it at 550 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,600 all 551 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,729 over there into NF T's. 552 00:33:57,780 --> 00:34:00,240 No, they're very anti, as well. 553 00:34:00,269 --> 00:34:03,719 Really? That's funny, I would have thought that the you know, 554 00:34:03,719 --> 00:34:07,499 that the enemy crowds, you know, who would have thought that 555 00:34:07,499 --> 00:34:12,239 those was made for nfo? Yeah, that seems like a natural fit 556 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,079 for some reason. 557 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:16,230 Yeah, some of my colleagues have tried to do in that and they got 558 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:20,190 so much hate that they instantly pulled out of NFT projects. 559 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:20,700 Well, 560 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:24,390 I think I think it's probably the nature of people who are 561 00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:29,340 really into anime and this type of stuff. This genre and yeah, 562 00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:34,560 and I think for them Bitcoin has just been branded as toxic toxic 563 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,710 bros, you know, they they they make crypto kitties. Yeah. Kind 564 00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:43,680 of like that. That's a feat. Does that does that ring ring 565 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,400 true at all? 566 00:34:44,849 --> 00:34:48,269 Yeah, like there's a vision of 20 something 30 Something 567 00:34:48,539 --> 00:34:52,139 hipsters that that. Like they just walked out of high school. 568 00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:53,489 They're millionaires and they 569 00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:56,460 don't wear socks and don't wear socks. I hate that look. Yeah. 570 00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:01,380 By the way, I have to read this book. histogram from blueberry 571 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,470 33,333 SATs we are actually on route to a convention crypt 572 00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:12,690 crypto crypto calm right now saw Dragon Ball Super Hero super 573 00:35:12,690 --> 00:35:14,640 superhero was it super superhero? 574 00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:17,400 Yeah talking about super super hero 575 00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:21,360 super superhero in theater and wow this movie had one of the 576 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,960 all time greatest scenes in the series as a whole when go hunt 577 00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:27,960 go hunt that's your character go hunt Yeah, was informed this 578 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,990 daughter had been kidnapped holy bejesus, I was clapping 579 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,620 Yeah, Gohan has been a character has kind of been in the 580 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:40,290 background teaching and being a good husband and a good father 581 00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:42,840 and all that but the crux of the Dragon Ball is Who's the 582 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,720 strongest character those strongest fighter and go Hans 583 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,750 always had this potential. He was strong as a kid. He defeated 584 00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:52,650 one of the big bad guys sell back in the day and fans have 585 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:55,890 been waiting for go on to be great again. So for years I've 586 00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:59,400 been saying when may go on great again, because he's not the main 587 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,210 character. He's the son, the grown son now of Goku, the main 588 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:06,150 character, but Goku and this other character Vegeta are kind 589 00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:07,710 of like the big stars of the show. 590 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,220 And while he wants to explain it all to me, 591 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,450 that just sounded like Shenron the dragon that thanks, grants 592 00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:19,050 or wishes, wishes when you gather dragon balls together, 593 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:21,510 I can have a career in enemy. 594 00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:24,690 Yeah, yeah. Well, as long as you can do that, yeah, there's, 595 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,930 there's all sorts of tricks. We remain anonymous. And people are 596 00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:30,480 like, you're doing this voice, and you're this voice and this 597 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,640 voice and this voice. But we always try to tell people it's 598 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,220 not about doing voices, it's about being a good actor. You're 599 00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:38,670 a good actor, and you're not a douchebag and you show up to 600 00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:41,310 your sessions, and you're good, and you're professional, and 601 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:44,490 you're directable and all that fun stuff. You know, put good 602 00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:46,650 karma out Good Karma comes back your way. 603 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:51,540 It's hard to break into its it is just looking at your your 604 00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:54,990 credits. Man. It's amazing. What a career. It's really 605 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,030 phenomenal. I'm very, very impressed. 606 00:36:57,510 --> 00:37:00,120 Thank you. And it does take 10 plus years to be an overnight 607 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,720 success. Yeah, 608 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,080 of course. Of course it does. Well, 609 00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:09,900 it sounds like you what you did was you took your your early 610 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:14,280 days of podcasting of geek news, and all that kind of stuff, and 611 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,970 2.0 and the researchers to come back, and you just kind of merge 612 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:22,080 them into into a thing that it was just for fun. It doesn't 613 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,410 sound like you're trying to make this. It sounds like what you're 614 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:29,730 trying what you have now. But what you've what you've built, I 615 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:33,660 mean, you were 65 episodes. 66 Yeah, we're 616 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:34,470 now at 70 617 00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:38,940 just posted today, Saturday, okay, to say, after 70 episodes, 618 00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:43,350 like what you've ended up with, is a really great mark, you 619 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:48,930 know, marketing mechanism and, and, and channel for you, for 620 00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:52,170 your fans specifically to hear more of you on a weekly basis. 621 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,190 Where it's sort of a, it's not really it doesn't seem like to 622 00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:59,130 be a monetization thing really, for you. It just seems like to 623 00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:01,620 be more of a connection mechanism and fun. 624 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,280 Yes, yes. Because the fans that go to conventions, they're 625 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,090 they're starving to get to meet the heroes of the industry that 626 00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:11,730 work on their shows with not just voice actors, but artists, 627 00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:16,590 directors, producers, you know, music, people, all that sort of 628 00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:19,590 thing. They just want to feel closer to these, the people that 629 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:22,590 are blessed enough to get to work in this industry. So yeah, 630 00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:25,260 the podcasting thing is a great platform because I was very 631 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:28,980 fortunate to kind of build a following on the convention side 632 00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:32,160 and the fandom side, and and tried to lure them over to 633 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,670 something else because other voice actors have had success as 634 00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:39,390 musicians. It's like, Hey, if you watch me on this show, I do 635 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:41,880 alternative rock and then suddenly their band is doing 636 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,400 well because they got a bunch of fans and then they 637 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:50,340 Yeah, if I may. Yes. intergalactic boombox seems like 638 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:57,270 a perfect place for Gohan to educate people in value for 639 00:38:57,270 --> 00:39:01,200 value and podcasting 2.0 particular really does 640 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,520 particularly value for value I think. I think when someone says 641 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,790 all people don't like Bitcoin, I don't like those of the people 642 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:12,300 if you can convince them if you can show them the light. 643 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:18,810 I would love to make my characters that I don't own a 644 00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:20,100 mouthpiece for such great. 645 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,590 I just met I met I meant in general just more I think that 646 00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:28,800 you can really do a lot of onboarding because you could 647 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,910 make it really fun. 648 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:34,650 Yeah, I'm trying to I'm taking the concept of a podcasting 649 00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:37,860 spaceship. intergalactic boombox is a name that I'd used back in 650 00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:41,970 my radio days. I used to pretend that I was on a on a spaceship 651 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:45,420 and blasting heavy metal and I called it the intergalactic 652 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:49,590 boombox and I would talk to my own characters. I had an alien 653 00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:51,930 back in the day we use reel to reel tape here remember this 654 00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:55,140 datum? Or do I'm sure it's splicing with a physically 655 00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:57,960 splicing with a razor blade and a grease pencil marking the 656 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,240 exact points and get those like I want to hear There's a 657 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,910 Metallica flyer and then I'm interacting with myself I'm 658 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:09,120 scripting parts for my little alien character to come on board 659 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,450 and I put the pitch up so it sounds more like you're beating 660 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:17,460 a drunk engineer character that's low pitched and drunk but 661 00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:20,610 now all that stuff's here with filters and stuff on all these 662 00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:23,670 different interfaces that and you know you got road caster Pro 663 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:27,060 and can sound demonic on demand or like a chipmunk 664 00:40:27,090 --> 00:40:30,780 you do a lot of a lot of posts on the show on integral 100% 665 00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:31,170 Post 666 00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:36,270 Oh, yeah, yeah, I scripted first, and then I recorded Oh, 667 00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:39,540 yeah, yeah, it takes about between four and six hours I bet 668 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:43,050 it turns your crank out 10 minutes then I'm going through 669 00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:48,180 YouTube and converting hopefully royalty free sound effects 670 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,480 we all do it brother we all do it. I love when when you're when 671 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,970 you're trying to record something off of YouTube and all 672 00:40:56,970 --> 00:41:04,890 of a sudden like It's like sound effects from keeps coming in 673 00:41:04,890 --> 00:41:08,970 every single time. Yeah, you try to clip around it yeah, we've 674 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:09,990 all done it Yeah, 675 00:41:10,110 --> 00:41:13,020 yeah. But But keeping that that the love I've had since 676 00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:15,630 childhood for theater the mind love an old school radio shows 677 00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:18,900 from the day the shadow and the worlds and all that stuff and 678 00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:22,710 and now that audio books and podcasting have really caught 679 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:27,330 off as a genre itself true crime and audio dramas to or Apollo 680 00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:31,830 app and all that. This is like a new golden age for radio for 681 00:41:31,830 --> 00:41:33,840 audio of the mind and everything. 682 00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:37,860 Do you think that I have as anyone really successfully done 683 00:41:39,210 --> 00:41:44,340 a real proper radio drama? I mean, so a lot of the crime 684 00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:47,760 stuff comes very close. But but but without narration, you know, 685 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,540 really just were you it's truly like a soap opera that is not 686 00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:55,230 narrated, it opens you, you understand the characters. 687 00:41:55,260 --> 00:41:57,870 There's dialogue and it closes and then you wait for the next 688 00:41:57,870 --> 00:41:58,380 episode. 689 00:41:58,470 --> 00:42:02,340 I don't tell you and even date you and meet us did Christmas 690 00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:02,910 Carol? That's. 691 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:04,650 That's right. Yes. Yeah, 692 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,800 that was that's what I mean. Something like that. Yeah. That 693 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,490 was fancy. Yeah. 694 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:11,610 Yeah. audio dramas or radio dramas from back in the day 695 00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:14,910 because radio is, you know, it is what it is. Now, it's it's 696 00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:17,970 certainly not going to host storytelling. But you have, like 697 00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:21,510 I mentioned before, the Apollo pods thing is like this hub for 698 00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:24,090 audio drama podcast. And of course, they're all hosted on 699 00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:26,940 all the other platforms too, but just go to central place. You're 700 00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:31,980 hearing things that tell a story. I think a great example 701 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,510 of audio theater is Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, not even 702 00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:40,680 this is a year or two before the Netflix live action adaptation. 703 00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:44,970 It's audio. And of course, the script is adopted to you know, 704 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,690 paint the picture, where characters have to kind of not 705 00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:51,750 clunkily describe like, well, let me get this paper. And now 706 00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:54,390 I'm going to write up and write a letter, you know, it's a it's 707 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:57,210 not spoon feeding you everything. But with sound 708 00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:00,840 effects and a great score. And, of course, a great cast who can 709 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,110 act, it's not just about doing voices, you're you're you're 710 00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:08,760 making an audio movie. And it doesn't always work. But when 711 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,300 you get the right team together things like the Sandman or all 712 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,880 these other audio books that get turned into it. Star Wars was an 713 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,930 audio drama on NPR in the early 80s. And it was fantastic. 714 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:19,890 However, 715 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,170 there's there is there a difference between the audience 716 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,730 is I mean, I know there is but I'm asking really for, for the 717 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:29,010 technical side of things, because, you know, we have the 718 00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:35,010 medium tag where you can tag a podcast feed as being a certain 719 00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:41,280 type of content, music, audio, book, Film Video. It, would it 720 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:45,960 is it appropriate to put a different medium tag of like, 721 00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:50,250 drama or audio drama, because it sort of stands as its own thing. 722 00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:53,010 It's not a book. And it's not a podcast, is 723 00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:58,170 there a way that Chapters and, and other namespace features can 724 00:43:58,170 --> 00:44:01,230 be presented differently that would create a different 725 00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:05,100 experience for an audio drama? Yeah, that's 726 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:09,180 a good question. And I guess my question always has has been as 727 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:13,140 you guys have evolved, podcasting. 2.0 is, well what 728 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:17,280 does tags what is the purpose of tags, honestly, because I I'm, 729 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:20,190 I'm kind of trying to put it into my head is tag like a 730 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,230 search kind of thing. 731 00:44:22,949 --> 00:44:28,259 No, I'm sorry. So when we say tags, that means it's one of the 732 00:44:28,259 --> 00:44:32,819 features that podcasting 2.0 has added. So chapters. So that's 733 00:44:32,819 --> 00:44:36,539 the chapters tag, and that just means it's just kind of a plate. 734 00:44:37,409 --> 00:44:42,179 It this is interesting, Dave, take notes to take note of this. 735 00:44:43,259 --> 00:44:46,589 So that's when we say that on this show in the boardroom is 736 00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:50,279 really just the transcript tag. So what we're saying there is, 737 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:56,219 how would transcripts work for you? That value for value, the 738 00:44:56,219 --> 00:44:59,099 value block is also a tag. So it's really when you hear that 739 00:44:59,099 --> 00:45:01,889 out of our minds it just means feature. Okay. So 740 00:45:02,699 --> 00:45:07,019 in the x, it's on the XML, it's in the XML of the RSS, there is 741 00:45:07,019 --> 00:45:12,149 a, there's literally a, a piece of code in the XML feed. That's 742 00:45:12,149 --> 00:45:16,139 called transcript. And it references where the transcript 743 00:45:16,139 --> 00:45:21,149 file is. So that the podcast app sees that and knows, oh, this 744 00:45:21,179 --> 00:45:24,869 podcast has a transcript, it'll know to go get it. And every so 745 00:45:24,869 --> 00:45:28,079 you could like, the medium tag would also live inside of your 746 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:34,019 Buzzsprout feed. And you can say, medium audio drama. And 747 00:45:34,049 --> 00:45:37,319 because in when the app like pod verse, or cast automatic are 748 00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:42,899 found, sees that, that tag in the XML in the feed file, it 749 00:45:42,899 --> 00:45:45,779 knows, oh, this is an audio drama. But this is not a normal 750 00:45:45,779 --> 00:45:49,379 podcast, this is this is music, or this is a drama or this is a 751 00:45:49,469 --> 00:45:50,549 video or whatever. 752 00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:55,380 So it helps the hosting service kind of curate know the unstart 753 00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:56,160 really for the list? No, 754 00:45:56,190 --> 00:46:02,340 no, no, it helps the app, understand what content the this 755 00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:05,490 is a very good conversation, what it is what content the 756 00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:10,080 creators made available. So when you use Buzzsprout, an app, 757 00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:15,060 those are Apple, Apple go. But you get an app like fountain, 758 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:17,760 he'll say, oh, okay, there's a value blog has got transcript, 759 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,730 he's got chapters, okay, I know how to display all that. Here it 760 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:25,410 is. It's really, it's really part of you. So when you 761 00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:28,500 publish, if you publish chapters, you know, that's you 762 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:33,090 pushing that out. Same. Same with all the other pieces, even, 763 00:46:33,330 --> 00:46:37,740 you know, a location tag or a person tag, all of that all of 764 00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:40,470 your content that you're creating at the hosting level, 765 00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:43,410 and the apps are the ones that receive it. And so what I'm 766 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:48,330 trying to figure out, is, if you have a type of content that we 767 00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:52,770 already are talking about music, so you would have you use all 768 00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:56,130 the same things that you would on Buzzsprout even except, 769 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,700 instead of show title that will be track title, instead of 770 00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,630 season, it would be album title. And but because you put the 771 00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:10,260 medium tag in there, which means Hey, this feed is is music, then 772 00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:13,260 the app knows oh, I want to treat this more like a music 773 00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:17,940 player. So that's a very defined example. But when we're talking 774 00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:22,980 about Yeah, enhanced video or audio projects, in that case, 775 00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:26,730 you may want the transcript to be more visible or not visible 776 00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:32,280 you may want to have characters pop up and maybe not go away 777 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,830 from the screen I don't know I mean, I'm I'm just shooting from 778 00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:38,520 the hip it's so open and so wide open that it just comes down to 779 00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:41,610 what can what can we dream up? Yeah, 780 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,070 well, you guys talking about the music thing and whether it 781 00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:47,910 should be you know, findable in a podcasting app or whether it 782 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:50,970 should be its own thing. I was thinking maybe it should be its 783 00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:54,930 own thing to for help people to go to one central location to 784 00:47:54,930 --> 00:48:00,090 find value for value artist. I talk about podcasting 2.0 It's 785 00:48:00,090 --> 00:48:02,940 some of my panels my q&a panels because I'm trying to you know, 786 00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:07,140 spread the gospel. Thank you. And sometimes the Their faces 787 00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:08,850 look a little glazed over but I 788 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,519 talk yeah, 789 00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:14,190 I get that at the dinner table believe me. 790 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,170 Yeah, but if I say hey, you listen to this album, you love 791 00:48:19,170 --> 00:48:22,770 it. So you didn't buy it but you're paying a service to 792 00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:25,410 stream it like Spotify or whatever. But what if you had an 793 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:27,840 app that did the same thing? It's streaming you the music, 794 00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:30,600 but you say I love that guitar solo I want to pay that 795 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,110 guitarist some money then you can do that you can use it there 796 00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:36,810 and donate directly to the musicians or the band and 797 00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:38,400 altogether and same thing with 798 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,150 Hello. So 799 00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:44,220 I hit the mute button sorry. 800 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:50,250 I like what just happened I'm pressing buttons here I'm like 801 00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:51,960 what did I do? What did I do? 802 00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:55,080 So we hit the impede the intergalactic 803 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,130 boombox ran out of fuel there it is crashing from our stationary 804 00:48:59,130 --> 00:49:02,610 orbit. But yeah, I'm surprised the the big of the record labels 805 00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:04,980 in the music industry haven't thought of this but of course 806 00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:06,750 they don't really think about oh 807 00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:11,490 please no you're not you're not surprised new 808 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,370 I'm not surprised it's like no Taylor Swift we want to find 809 00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:15,870 another way for you to make millions 810 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,000 Well, that's what so you can I mean, it's coming from the 811 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:27,930 Hollywood side is interesting because you like this is part of 812 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:31,200 that has been saying lately that you know what I got a clip oh, 813 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:37,530 let's go to clip EJ was to clip it on this now this is going to 814 00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:41,550 be interesting to you Adam. Because this is I'm just going 815 00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:44,970 to add forgot his name. But I'm just going to call him NPR dude. 816 00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:48,240 being interviewed and Sam interviewed him. 817 00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:53,250 Oh, the Oh, NPR. I don't know who the NPR dude is NPR. 818 00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:56,580 NASM 819 00:49:56,940 --> 00:50:01,590 Oh, yes, I know exactly. whoever you're talking about because I 820 00:50:01,590 --> 00:50:04,920 heard this reference, I heard that okay, I think, 821 00:50:04,949 --> 00:50:07,589 Okay, hit hit solve everything. 822 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,690 One of my many CEOs that I served with when I was at NPR, 823 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:17,130 as last CEI service name is Dr. Oman, he had an amazing career 824 00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:20,520 in media. And he's to always have a phrase that he would use 825 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,180 that I rolled my eyes at first. And then over the years, I found 826 00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:28,200 myself quoting it all the time, which is nothing solves a 827 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,400 problem like a hit. He's like, there are problems with business 828 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,380 models, there are problems with relationships, there are 829 00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:38,100 problems with the ebbs and flows of business. But if you make a 830 00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:42,210 hit, a lot of those problems, either go away, or the options 831 00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:44,730 become much more interesting, and you have much more 832 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,780 opportunity to figure out what the options can be. And so his 833 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,360 saying that implied focus on making hits. And I think that's 834 00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:58,590 why is the advice that not many people in podcasting are taking 835 00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:00,840 right now. Because podcasting right now is a hand to mouth 836 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,410 industry. People are like, I need downloads, I can get 837 00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:06,600 advertising and I just need to shovel as much cash into my 838 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,350 mouth as possible. But they're not thinking of like, very few, 839 00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:13,110 very few, I would struggle to think of anyone in the podcast 840 00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:15,210 space right now. We're just thinking of like, what do we 841 00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:18,630 want to be three to five years from now? And how do we make 842 00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:23,310 decisions today, that will put us to be the leader in the space 843 00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:26,850 we want to fill in three to five years. That's the type of 844 00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:30,840 thinking that is missing from podcasting. Right now, for the 845 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,960 most part, it's all quarter to quarter how do we get next 846 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,110 year's buys? Or how do we even scripts and things like how many 847 00:51:37,110 --> 00:51:39,420 people do we get in? People aren't thinking about? 848 00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:47,340 Yeah, a couple things. First, so this is a he left, a couple 849 00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:52,650 years back, Yarrow Mon. I know him very well. He hired me at 850 00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:56,460 MTV, only his name was not Yarrow mon and Carl, you might 851 00:51:56,460 --> 00:52:00,780 know him because he was a big guy in the 80s in Cleveland on 852 00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:06,030 the radio lemasters to remember lemasters a name a real top 40 853 00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:12,690 Pure graden but a real top 40 pukalet. Everybody Yeah. Wow, 854 00:52:12,690 --> 00:52:16,830 whatever it was, yeah, pretty much. I liked this a lot. 855 00:52:16,830 --> 00:52:22,710 Because that of course, was ultimately what MTV ran on. Its 856 00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:28,680 business. And when I started pod show, which turned into me VO, 857 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,680 by the way, the what's the X anchor guy name? Who? Who keeps 858 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,650 saying RSS is no good. There's no innovation was that guy's 859 00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:41,280 name? Oh, Manyana Yeah. So he said Oh, no, all podcast it'll 860 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,210 all be video dude. been down that road. We did that. And 861 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:49,350 guess what? No, we we switched a whole company from audio to 862 00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:55,980 primarily video. And now stick with a stick with audio. But 863 00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:59,940 this headspace business is exactly what everybody's doing. 864 00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:03,180 That's what Spotify is trying to do. That's what a cast is 865 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:07,920 designed to do to some degree. That's what I Heart Radio is 866 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,880 doing. The podcast industrial complex is in fact, a hits 867 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,730 driven business. And that's all they're looking for. And 868 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,660 absolutely right, a hit solves everything, then everybody's 869 00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:22,020 happy. And you see now that after a while you get it you 870 00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:24,900 know, you get a hit like Joe Rogan, which they purchased, 871 00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:28,410 then it's very hard to get another hit. They tried it with 872 00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:34,170 the Obamas man wasn't really hit. He didn't really work. Till 873 00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:35,400 Yeah, that's a great clip. 874 00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:40,650 That the the what confused me? Because he starts out by saying, 875 00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:42,900 You know what the hit the hit solves everything, the hits, you 876 00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:45,120 know, people aren't thinking about the hits. And I think what 877 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,010 he was saying is, at first at least was, you know, three to 878 00:53:50,010 --> 00:53:52,380 five, you need to think three to five years down the line. And, 879 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:55,770 and then, you know, you need to think about your hits. But 880 00:53:56,759 --> 00:53:59,309 we need to hit right away. Yeah. And 881 00:53:59,309 --> 00:54:01,709 I'm like, well, that doesn't work. That's not the way that 882 00:54:01,709 --> 00:54:05,879 work. Works. Nobody's thinking three to five years in the 883 00:54:05,879 --> 00:54:09,989 future and will clearly I mean, podcasting. 2.0 That's all we do 884 00:54:09,989 --> 00:54:12,389 is think about three to five years in the future. Yeah. And 885 00:54:12,389 --> 00:54:16,139 so I think then you're on Todd Cochran said recently, and I'm 886 00:54:16,139 --> 00:54:19,799 gonna give him a lot of credit for this. Every time I can, as 887 00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:23,429 he said, You know, I've been thinking for the last, you know, 888 00:54:23,549 --> 00:54:28,679 10 years about and building for the 97%. And he said, he now 889 00:54:29,279 --> 00:54:32,759 realized I need to build for the 3% because that's a forward 890 00:54:32,759 --> 00:54:33,929 looking longer time. Yeah, 891 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:37,890 there you go. I'm glad you brought this up. Because there's 892 00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:40,620 something that I've been thinking about and working on. 893 00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:45,210 And it comes on the heels of our conversation about dynamically 894 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:50,070 dynamic ad insertion on the last board meeting. And we're saying, 895 00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:54,540 hey, is this a success? I mean, is it working? And so I've 896 00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:57,960 learned a couple things. So you have your disparate people so so 897 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,350 you know, if you take advertising Then you're going to 898 00:55:01,350 --> 00:55:06,630 be working with CPM, which is a very odd word, I don't know why 899 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:11,130 they still use the M, it stands for cost per meal, which is 900 00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:13,860 French for 1000. I don't know why they still keep that in 901 00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:18,120 there. So it's cost per 1000. So that means for every 1000, in 902 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,910 this case, downloads, I believe that's still the metric in 903 00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:26,910 advertised podcast industrial complex, you get a number. So 904 00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:30,450 the, the more number, the more 1000s you have, the more CPMs 905 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,040 you basically multiply that by the CPM dollar amount, and 906 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,760 that's what you'll get, or you'll get probably 60% of that 907 00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:44,250 70. So there was this number floating around 23 $24, which 908 00:55:44,250 --> 00:55:47,010 I've been hearing for a long time. Now it turns out and I've 909 00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:50,070 been listening to all I listened to pod land, I listened to new 910 00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:56,220 media show I listened to what's the Brian Barletta? What's that? 911 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,870 Sounds profit is profit. I'm sorry, I travel a lot today. And 912 00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:05,310 so that's for host reads. And the host reads, it seems like 913 00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:08,640 this people are trying to transition because brands are 914 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,420 becoming a bit wary about the host read it, you know, it's 915 00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:15,360 great with a superstar celebrity, even then it can get 916 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,020 a little complicated. They love anything that comes from a radio 917 00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:22,200 company, because they know the radio company has to adhere to 918 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,070 FCC rules. And so they're not too worried about brand safety. 919 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,070 And so now we have the dynamically inserted 920 00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:41,550 advertising, which it seems I mean, I not sure if I'm, if what 921 00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:44,340 I'm hearing is, oh, Microsoft seems to be buying a lot of 922 00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:47,580 that. And then it's like, Well, really, it's just all very kind 923 00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:51,750 of minor advertisers. Some it's still kind of direct response. 924 00:56:52,110 --> 00:56:55,950 The CPM for that is significantly lower. That's more 925 00:56:55,980 --> 00:57:00,360 I heard Todd Cochran say, between 10 and $15. And I'm 926 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,060 thinking that's what they're hoping for I have a feeling it 927 00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:06,180 may be closer to between five and 10. Right now, I don't know. 928 00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:09,720 So that we're done, and that's for programmatic, right. And 929 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,200 so and the idea, and the idea is that everybody should be able to 930 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,230 get programmatic. There's like, I should say, hey, I want to 931 00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:21,420 flip on some ads. I've got 10,000 downloads a month, that I 932 00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:23,790 should be able to get some advertising money. So if you 933 00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:30,330 have 10,000 downloads a month, that's 10 CPMs. That's 100 934 00:57:30,330 --> 00:57:39,060 bucks, right? The 50. Well, yeah, could be Orpheus. So of 935 00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:41,820 course, that means that there wasn't that your your inventory 936 00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:45,240 was sold out. That means that you know, it was you have one if 937 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,940 that's if you have one ad, if you can have four ads, I guess 938 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:50,070 you have a midroll there's different prices for that. And 939 00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:54,420 it's very convoluted. Got a lot of different options here. So 940 00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:59,010 you have to you have to make all those choices. But the problem 941 00:57:59,010 --> 00:58:05,520 with the advertising community, is they want to know, okay, I 942 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,690 want to advertise on stuff, but it can nothing can be firearms 943 00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:12,390 related. You know, it's not like people are talking about killing 944 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:15,960 anybody. But we just even if they're just talking about cool 945 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,790 guns, we don't want to advertise on that. You can think of 946 00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:24,840 multiple scenarios. So and this, this is what I was hearing 947 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:29,010 across the board, these podcasts, brand safety tools 948 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,600 that are in essence going to create a code for your podcast, 949 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,020 you will be labeled, I heard it over and over again. Even though 950 00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:40,380 Todd Cochran says he won't do what I believe it. And it'll be 951 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,830 green, if it's good to go yellow if there's sometimes some if you 952 00:58:43,830 --> 00:58:47,550 stop or read if you'll never touch. So this is the antithesis 953 00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:51,330 of what podcasting 2.0 is. But I'm trying to figure out a way 954 00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:54,510 to bring your comparison into the money part. And I think I 955 00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:59,010 have it, I did some work. And I did a lot of number crunching 956 00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:02,640 and this is why I'm very excited about the Opie three dot DOS, 957 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,110 I'd op three op three dot Dev, because now I can get a very, a 958 00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:13,800 much more concise handle on my VPN. This is the metric I'm 959 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,280 launching. 960 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,350 I knew this was coming by the way you did not tell me this, 961 00:59:19,350 --> 00:59:22,200 but I can just see I can read melted carbon, right? Yeah. 962 00:59:22,590 --> 00:59:23,820 Remember the force? Yes, the 963 00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:29,520 value per meal, the value per 1000. So So, but it gets really 964 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,010 fun when you do it. So if you take so that the metric is 4% of 965 00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:39,510 your downloads, that is that is the amount of people who are who 966 00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:45,690 are who are boosting your or sending you value. Whatever you 967 00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:49,350 get, you can safely assume that's about that's the average 968 00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:53,730 is 4%. So I did some work across all shows. I don't have all the 969 00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:58,200 numbers. I do have some very concise numbers. I can tell you 970 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,700 across this kind of with some very solid data and some other 971 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,910 data that I'm guessing about, but I think, oh, op three dot 972 01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:13,770 dev will help my VPM across my, my podcast universe is $30.51. 973 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:20,070 Yeah. And, and the numbers. So I would say it's safe to say, 974 01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:25,230 around $25. So close to a host read. But what's interesting is, 975 01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:29,910 you know, so the VPN is not set by an advertiser, the VPN is a 976 01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:34,800 metric. So when you start off, and you have only 1000 people, 977 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,880 or maybe 100, your VPM, depending on how well you ask, 978 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,900 he's actually going to be much higher. It's kind of cool how 979 01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:46,050 you start off when you just start off with value for value, 980 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,190 your VPM is incredibly high. And the more people you get the, 981 01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:53,910 that starts to lower off to taper off a bit, but yet your 982 01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:58,530 revenue goes up. The whole thing is, once you do the numbers, and 983 01:00:58,530 --> 01:01:03,360 you sit down, and it works out every single time, the number of 984 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:12,330 downloads, times 4% That's your VPM and you should it should be 985 01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:15,510 around $30 That's, that's what you'll be able to get. So if you 986 01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:21,810 have 10,000 people. That's so what's 4% of that? 987 01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:26,670 4000 people is 400 people 988 01:01:26,699 --> 01:01:33,899 400 And then you multiply by vs make it easy. 30 So now you're 989 01:01:33,899 --> 01:01:42,089 at 1200 say that right now 12,000 Now I'm confusing myself. 990 01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:45,239 It's four. It's got to be 40 It's got to be 40. I can't be is 991 01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,249 it 400 math corner. 992 01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:52,740 See? Oh, I know. I'm sorry, I calculators I 993 01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:55,440 see. Yeah, no, I see what I did. This is why I've discussed this 994 01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,120 on the show. Okay, this worked this 30 Now, okay, this, this is 995 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,150 where it gets this is where my my everything falls apart. I 996 01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:10,650 still like to bring in my, my 30 VPM is really runs a if you if 997 01:02:10,650 --> 01:02:14,970 you do apples to apples for here's a here's how I did the 998 01:02:14,970 --> 01:02:17,040 full calculation and then you tell me if we're gonna work this 999 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,630 back. Okay, I said all right, if you do a show weekly, and you 1000 01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:30,480 have four ad slots so you come up with a number at your 24 1001 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,430 That's actually a pretty decent number you're making some really 1002 01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:38,880 good money the 4% of the of the downloads that actually that 1003 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,600 turns out to be an annual amount or monthly amount. So what's the 1004 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,880 monthly versus the monthly but once you put it on the annual 1005 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,120 scale it's it's like it's predictable how you're going to 1006 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,910 grow and how it's going to work what I need to do is I need to 1007 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:57,810 get all the all the OP three data for this show so we can 1008 01:02:57,810 --> 01:03:03,030 show it to people because you know this lesson we can gladly 1009 01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:05,250 show you what we're making because we thank everybody with 1010 01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:09,240 the dollar amounts you will see that you're you're so much more 1011 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:16,050 profitable even at a very very low audience really with 100 or 1012 01:03:16,050 --> 01:03:19,230 500 people you're already making much more than you could with 1013 01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:21,960 with advertisers certainly with ad insertion 1014 01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:28,410 we should we should do that in software like autumn yes yeah to 1015 01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:30,750 where it shows a dashboard we 1016 01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:33,150 yeah 1017 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,510 yeah just like the Bloomberg lady we can have a dashboard and 1018 01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:42,870 that shows instead of brand safety it just shows the VP the 1019 01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:47,460 running VPM telling you that because we got we do now now 1020 01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:51,240 that we have we've gone off the rails Calif sorry now that we 1021 01:03:51,240 --> 01:04:01,770 have the this the OP three and you marry that to the value for 1022 01:04:01,770 --> 01:04:02,430 value yes 1023 01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:02,640 yeah 1024 01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:05,550 then you can calculate it coming in you can just click calculate 1025 01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:08,670 on the fly. Yeah, because we because we have all the debt we 1026 01:04:08,670 --> 01:04:10,800 have all the booster grams and all the streams for 1027 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,260 luck. This is an Umbral app this 1028 01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:19,830 is no don't do that don't don't don't get in that okay, you can 1029 01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:23,790 you have all the booster grams and streams that are stamped 1030 01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:27,930 with the podcast episode data so you know exactly which episode 1031 01:04:27,930 --> 01:04:31,320 was donated to yep you can marry that up with Opie three data and 1032 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,660 you can calculate on the fly you can you have a running 1033 01:04:34,050 --> 01:04:35,760 calculation of your VPN I love it 1034 01:04:35,790 --> 01:04:38,880 and it will be something useful useful because you can then I 1035 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:44,370 mean, goodness this the get Alby or this get Alby Saturn stats 1036 01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:48,870 now that that's populated Holy Cow Have you been looking at it 1037 01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:49,290 Dave? 1038 01:04:49,410 --> 01:04:52,590 Yeah, well, I've been looking at it with my head and shame 1039 01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:54,570 because it makes hella pad look like a chump. 1040 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,080 Well, just on the well just on the no helipad has look heli 1041 01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:58,470 pads 1042 01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:00,720 x unit you're trying to make me feel better night yeah 1043 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,120 but it's true. Because I thought about this because you because 1044 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,670 you said heavy pads piece of shit compared to this you'd 1045 01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:10,290 already mentioned was no because heli pad is it look heli pad 1046 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,700 first of all is real time as it comes in, get LB is, you know 1047 01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,910 it's calculating, it's buffered, it's cached, it takes a while 1048 01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:21,510 for stuff to come in. heli pad is a real time live experience. 1049 01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:27,150 heli pad has cool sound effects heli pad has really good. That's 1050 01:05:27,150 --> 01:05:30,420 really good confetti, that doesn't that doesn't ruin your 1051 01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:32,970 browser after three hours, like get out because they have 1052 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,490 confetti but jams your browser the memory leak, 1053 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,310 the fact that you're trying to make me feel better about it 1054 01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:40,650 makes you feel good. I love you. Most importantly, 1055 01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:43,890 I'd love you to most importantly, you have an export 1056 01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:48,030 to Excel. So that is fantastic. 1057 01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:51,150 Oh, well. I'm just going to claim superiority. Now, you're 1058 01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:51,780 surely 1059 01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:55,530 about with products. But what I like with get LB is that and 1060 01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:58,740 it's something that we've discussed, I think from maybe 1061 01:05:58,740 --> 01:06:04,410 Episode 10, maybe even lower than that. We talked about this 1062 01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:08,250 idea of a timeline. So you can see the streaming sites. This is 1063 01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:13,230 really informative. It's really good. It's very interesting to 1064 01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:17,520 see where people I think in some cases, jump into the show or 1065 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,940 jump ahead. Of course don't know exactly what's going on. But 1066 01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:26,700 it's it's phenomenal. It really is. And very mysterious moments 1067 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,580 are counterintuitive to what you'd think it's it's good 1068 01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:30,090 stuff. 1069 01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:34,170 Well, the best thing about the Opie three knots. Now I'm not 1070 01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:36,840 going to boil anything down. That's that's that's douchey the 1071 01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:41,100 one of the great things about Opie three is that he baked in 1072 01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:46,980 ulit support from day one. So the ULI D if we can get if we 1073 01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:53,700 can get all the podcasting 2.0 apps supporting Uli de mer that 1074 01:06:53,730 --> 01:06:56,280 that takes it from now you're not talking about now, you're 1075 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,950 not just talking about downloads. Now you're talking 1076 01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:04,380 about something very, very close to actual listens, right? 1077 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,650 Because the ULI D, the ULI Oh, 1078 01:07:07,650 --> 01:07:11,520 you can match that or you can match that to yes, no, yeah. 1079 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,700 And you can you can filter it down and say, Okay, I just want 1080 01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:19,140 to see unique UL IDs for this episode. Because the way the ULI 1081 01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:23,760 D works is when I download if it when my app downloads an 1082 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,100 episode, downloaded, downloads the enclosure, it ran it 1083 01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:34,800 generates a random Gu ID string and attaches that as a URL 1084 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,400 parameter every time that it downloads the every time it 1085 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,060 downloads or streams the episode. So that means that any, 1086 01:07:42,270 --> 01:07:45,960 and in the future, if it ever read downloads that episode, it 1087 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,190 will attach the same URL. Nice. So you can say if you just 1088 01:07:50,190 --> 01:07:54,960 filter your URL IDs, you can say okay, everybody that every URL 1089 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,430 ID for this episode was a unique listener. And that's the thing 1090 01:07:59,580 --> 01:08:04,260 that the stats industry does not want. They don't want those. 1091 01:08:04,410 --> 01:08:07,620 They don't want listens to show up. They want downloads, of 1092 01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:09,990 course, because the download numbers are way higher than the 1093 01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:10,620 Listen numbers. 1094 01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:15,300 Yes, sir. And we're not we're not here. We're not to crush the 1095 01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:19,260 advertising industry at all. Don't get me wrong. I hope 1096 01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:22,170 everyone's incredibly successful. There's definitely a 1097 01:08:22,170 --> 01:08:23,460 place for advertising. 1098 01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:26,459 But I think you I think we'd be lying if we didn't say we want 1099 01:08:26,459 --> 01:08:28,679 it to be a little more honest. Well, I'm 1100 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,320 just interested in the real data. I'm just interested in the 1101 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,320 truth about that. Yeah. Okay, more on No, I'm just we're not 1102 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,870 trying to be more honest. We're interested in the truth. 1103 01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:41,909 Yeah, for yeah for I mean, like, so. Kaldi have any idea what 1104 01:08:41,909 --> 01:08:42,599 we're talking about. 1105 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:47,309 Let's see. 1106 01:08:47,999 --> 01:08:51,119 He was there when something melts he was you was chatting 1107 01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:51,329 with 1108 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,630 Yeah, I was trying to catch you off guard behind you. 1109 01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:57,510 You did he was muted and he was leaning back. 1110 01:08:57,900 --> 01:09:04,770 Yeah. Yeah, this is a trigger trigger very sensitive mouse 1111 01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:07,470 here. It's like I click it mutes me again. 1112 01:09:09,570 --> 01:09:12,870 What you know the reason I brought this whole thing up with 1113 01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:19,110 the clip and and all that kind of stuff was because you coming 1114 01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:23,460 from Hollywood, podcasting as an as the podcast industrial 1115 01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:29,850 complex, is trying to become Hollywood they really want to be 1116 01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:34,350 Hollywood enough in I feel like, you know, like, like Adam says a 1117 01:09:34,350 --> 01:09:37,800 hits base business. And they want to just recreate you know, 1118 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,920 we saw the podcast taxonomy where everybody can get the 1119 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,880 credits and all this because they really you're trying to 1120 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:50,040 recreate hi in pod chaser wants to be IMDB. Like they really 1121 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,580 want this Hollywood thing to happen within podcasting, and it 1122 01:09:53,580 --> 01:09:54,780 had an award shows 1123 01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:57,210 they already believe it. They already believe they're there. 1124 01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:01,650 They will start rolling But it's just based on companies that 1125 01:10:01,650 --> 01:10:07,770 have made no profit or no firing their employees because they 1126 01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:08,790 have no profit. 1127 01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:13,620 So but from your standpoint, Kyle, I mean, like, yeah, you 1128 01:10:13,650 --> 01:10:19,890 use seem to sort of escape to podcasting as a way to have some 1129 01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:23,130 relief from the Hollywood stuff. I mean, like, can you speak to 1130 01:10:23,130 --> 01:10:24,420 that whole comparison there? 1131 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,100 Well, you know, just being a fan of the entertainment industry is 1132 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:32,340 something that I just love covering and putting my own spin 1133 01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:37,230 on with, with what I do for a living and, and, and to make it 1134 01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:40,980 again, a theater, the mind sign type thing. But I'm noticing 1135 01:10:41,010 --> 01:10:44,520 that a lot of these conglomerates are very attracted 1136 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,300 to when celebrities want to do a podcast, you know, okay, maybe 1137 01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,240 it doesn't work for the Obamas. But it works for smartlace. With 1138 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,190 with Will Arnett and Jason Bateman and haven't things like 1139 01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:59,700 that. And then they suddenly get a deal with Amazon and whatnot. 1140 01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:04,200 And it's like, Well, okay, it's hard not to be kind of cynical 1141 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,780 about it going well, okay, they got an instant following, 1142 01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:09,510 because they've built their whole Hollywood career as on 1143 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:12,600 screen camera people. Now they're working in the podcast, 1144 01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:17,310 but they happened to be good storytellers. And it makes good 1145 01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:21,330 content, just like Team Coco with Conan O'Brien and 1146 01:11:21,330 --> 01:11:26,100 everything, and Marin, and all that they happen to make good 1147 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:30,090 content, because that's what they come from. But it doesn't 1148 01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:34,710 necessarily always, you know, turn into, you know, big, huge 1149 01:11:34,710 --> 01:11:37,830 returns on on advertising and everything. And that's why it's 1150 01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:42,330 a hard sell for, for the average Joe, or people that are normally 1151 01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:45,090 anonymous, who happen to be working in a big industry like 1152 01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:50,220 myself, but you know, we're not big famous celebrities. So but 1153 01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:51,630 this is like, if they don't have the numbers, 1154 01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:55,470 this is the great news. The numbers game, the hits base 1155 01:11:55,470 --> 01:12:02,310 business can happily exist. Yes, go at it. It's perfectly okay. 1156 01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:08,340 You don't need homepage of iTunes, or number one in the 1157 01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:14,340 Rancor, you don't need that you need to convert. Again, from the 1158 01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:17,850 new media show, Todd said, Who was it that said that let's go 1159 01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:21,840 and put up a white noise podcast and, and still had 400 1160 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,320 downloads, you know, it's like, people will listen to stuff. So 1161 01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:28,410 if you can convince a couple people to listen, and you have 1162 01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:30,810 that feedback loop, which you know how that works with you as 1163 01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:36,750 a radio guy. You and then with value for value? You can you can 1164 01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:41,850 sustain. Yeah, can really do. My wife and I have the number two 1165 01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:47,400 set sprayed podcast this week. We start with we're not on 1166 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:52,050 iTunes, we're not on Spotify. We're only in the index we you 1167 01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:56,010 know, we we tweet before we start the show. We've promoted 1168 01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:58,770 nowhere else. I don't talk about it on any other this one I do. 1169 01:12:59,460 --> 01:13:06,390 And it just grew. Yeah, it's your old washed up DJ, you know, 1170 01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:08,460 I hate it. When people say, Well, you owe to you. You're 1171 01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:10,470 already famous. Now. No one knows me. 1172 01:13:13,650 --> 01:13:17,520 Yeah, but that's this great thing about value for value, you 1173 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,630 have this great infrastructure. And, you know, I wasn't getting 1174 01:13:21,630 --> 01:13:24,720 a lot of hits and downloads until fountain started letting 1175 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,140 people advertise within just on that. It's like here, we're 1176 01:13:28,140 --> 01:13:31,320 gonna highlight your clip, or we're gonna highlight your Yeah, 1177 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,510 and they're getting Satoshis for it right when they make the 1178 01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:37,770 clip. Yeah, incentivize. There you go. 1179 01:13:38,249 --> 01:13:41,189 I mean, you gamify it like that? Yeah. Okay. Listen to your 1180 01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:44,159 podcast on this app. We'll pay you. Yeah, that's why I think 1181 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,429 it's easiest to try and onboard people by saying, all right, you 1182 01:13:47,429 --> 01:13:50,669 don't understand Bitcoin? That's okay. Here, go to fountain.fm. 1183 01:13:50,669 --> 01:13:52,859 Download this app, start listening to your favorite 1184 01:13:52,859 --> 01:13:56,519 podcast. Okay, well, now you've accrued X number of sets. Now, 1185 01:13:56,519 --> 01:13:59,399 how do you want to spend that? Do you want to just take it in 1186 01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:02,639 and pay yourself? Or do you want to give it to someone with a 1187 01:14:02,639 --> 01:14:04,709 value for value enabled come podcast? 1188 01:14:04,770 --> 01:14:05,820 Nice. Hopefully, that 1189 01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:09,150 sounds attractive. I mean, it sounds like a great deal. And 1190 01:14:09,150 --> 01:14:12,150 it's such a different model that maybe people are trying to have 1191 01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:16,170 are just having a hard time putting their head around that 1192 01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:19,620 it's like, Oh, so you guys don't have ads? It's like no, not 1193 01:14:19,620 --> 01:14:21,930 necessarily. We're trying to 1194 01:14:22,170 --> 01:14:22,650 Yeah, 1195 01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,460 well, but again, it's it's the relationship between the 1196 01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:29,220 podcaster and the audience, the the listeners, or as I like to 1197 01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:33,300 say producers, that that's what it is. So, I mean, for instance, 1198 01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:40,020 we can with certainty, say that y y z as a colo location is 1199 01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:42,600 based upon the airport code for Toronto, 1200 01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:45,690 and a great rush song. Excellent. 1201 01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:51,060 Excellent, there you go. That's how we really know about it. So 1202 01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:55,650 we thanks, people. burn out. Let me do some of these live boosts. 1203 01:14:55,650 --> 01:15:00,870 Oh, here we go. So let's see what just Yep and well getting 1204 01:15:00,870 --> 01:15:04,050 well it's it's it's Darren O'Neill. He comes in with 1205 01:15:04,050 --> 01:15:08,250 101,010 SATs I have Oh yeah, we'll give him a little big 1206 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:14,460 baller for that. Shot Caller 20 his blades on I am Paula. I have 1207 01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:19,680 the perfect face for podcasting. He says oh, here we go and 1208 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,380 please order all of your listeners to tune into planet 1209 01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:26,790 rage this week Larry blender and I have a lot of fun and have 1210 01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:29,550 just hit 50 episodes. So there you go. There's some advertising 1211 01:15:29,550 --> 01:15:37,350 there's value 5050 Indy metus 10,000 SATs and he actually was 1212 01:15:37,530 --> 01:15:41,820 watching the chat. He says that his daughter Leila. You know 1213 01:15:41,820 --> 01:15:45,960 they do the show together. Fun Fun fact, Friday that she here 1214 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,020 I'll read it to you verbatim. Leila just realized the skills 1215 01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:51,240 she has learned from the show. They do the show together have 1216 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,180 real world value. She's reading at a college level in seventh 1217 01:15:54,180 --> 01:15:56,340 grade. All right. Excellent. 1218 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:00,600 reading at a college level. 1219 01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:08,130 Exactly. So we did the blueberry. Oh, that was actually 1220 01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:13,860 Gary Arne to send us 10,000 SATs with the y y z airport code for 1221 01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:18,630 Toronto. A 10,000 fermitas A Carl sherbert boost 1222 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,790 I don't get the reference. What is the 1223 01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:27,960 well see on my intergalactic boombox podcast. I have 1224 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,080 characters that totally mutilate My name all the time, like 1225 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:31,920 kindred spirit. Oh, 1226 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,440 yes. Okay. 1227 01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:43,110 And we got a row a duck's from Eric peepee. 22,222 another 1228 01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:49,890 blueberry 17,776 Goodness gracious, great boost of fire. 1229 01:16:49,890 --> 01:16:55,440 He says Chad F with 1000 hard hat with 10,001 on one he says 1230 01:16:55,440 --> 01:17:00,240 lit in the third pod versus when we just kicked it off. 10,033 1231 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,680 sorry, this wrong one I'm reading here. Another Chad F 1232 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:10,140 10,201. And I think that covers the the lit booster grabs. Thank 1233 01:17:10,140 --> 01:17:13,950 you all very much. And if you're just listening to this, I think 1234 01:17:13,950 --> 01:17:18,780 the pod cast app that does it best right now. Or actually did 1235 01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:21,900 did pod verse get the chat in there? Is that in the new 1236 01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:25,320 version? Yeah, it's in there. Yeah, so yeah, I gotta check 1237 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:30,660 that out. So pod verse will give you alerts opens up with the 1238 01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:34,590 chat you can boost right there. Curio caster is fantastic. If 1239 01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:38,700 you're at the desktop, it has all the bells and whistles. And 1240 01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:42,570 of course, we'd love for you to return any value that you feel 1241 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:44,850 the project is worth the podcast, the board meeting. 1242 01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:48,810 That's just just a report card to you. All the work is in 1243 01:17:48,810 --> 01:17:52,350 podcast index.org podcast index dot social, and I'm sure we have 1244 01:17:52,350 --> 01:17:53,550 some more people to thank Dave. 1245 01:17:54,510 --> 01:18:00,120 Oh, we've got some C. Then I'll save this rant until after the 1246 01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:06,780 donation. Okay. We have a donation from rss.com from Ben 1247 01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:09,540 and Alberto. Okay, would you like to know how much this 1248 01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:11,790 donation is through? This is a PayPal fee off on coupon 1249 01:18:11,790 --> 01:18:12,270 donations. 1250 01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:13,590 I have my hand on the button. 1251 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:22,110 $1,010.10 which is 1010100. Man 1252 01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:27,060 Oh, shot caller 20. His blades on I am Paula. 1253 01:18:28,350 --> 01:18:32,310 He says for Adam and Dave. We're we're glad we connected at 1254 01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:35,340 Podcast Movement with you and so many others. Look forward to the 1255 01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:38,310 next time we get together. We're with you in spirit until then 1256 01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:41,310 your friends at our ces.com Go podcast, podcast. 1257 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,680 So nice. always there to help. Thank you so much. 1258 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,450 And because I know you like it, Ben. 1259 01:18:49,260 --> 01:18:53,190 Yeah. Everybody loves your paper. Crinkle 1260 01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:58,380 little asthma. Thank you, Ben and Alberta. Appreciate it Mr. 1261 01:18:58,380 --> 01:19:02,910 Roberto in Dallas, but want to see him next time. Thanks, guys. 1262 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:09,210 Franco Celerio Celerio gave us $100 Nice cast a medic 1263 01:19:09,210 --> 01:19:14,310 development. Yeah, no note, but I emailed him and thanked him 1264 01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:17,040 and he said he had some really kind words. And he said that's 1265 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,510 the least he could do. Thank you. 1266 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:21,090 Where's he going to Italy again? Do you remember where he lives 1267 01:19:21,210 --> 01:19:21,990 is near Milan? 1268 01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:26,220 Man, you you know it better than I do because your sister lives 1269 01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:26,580 there? 1270 01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:30,240 Well, no, she lives in a few Enza. But we're planning a trip 1271 01:19:30,330 --> 01:19:35,400 next year. And I was like, maybe. Sorry, 1272 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,020 you and Tina. Yeah. 1273 01:19:37,499 --> 01:19:40,229 Who else? Who else would I go with you and your girlfriend? 1274 01:19:41,129 --> 01:19:42,959 Thanks, Dave. don't bust me bro. 1275 01:19:43,289 --> 01:19:46,139 Did you grew up in the con groupie? I think 1276 01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:50,040 it'd be fun to see we're gonna hook up with with Franco. 1277 01:19:50,850 --> 01:19:54,600 Yeah, that would be great. You'll get some business or Pay 1278 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,250 Pal. So yes, Mr. Graham's, we get Mr. Roy Schonfeld coming in 1279 01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:03,630 with 543 to one area is a breeze app. And he says Did you know 1280 01:20:03,690 --> 01:20:06,180 you can use breeze to create podcast clips? 1281 01:20:07,799 --> 01:20:13,259 Yes, this is new. Yes, it's new. They have their point. He got 1282 01:20:13,259 --> 01:20:15,929 someone in there. someone's doing stuff because I know Roy 1283 01:20:15,929 --> 01:20:23,249 isn't doing he doesn't really like us. He's just he's no, I'm 1284 01:20:23,249 --> 01:20:23,759 just kidding. 1285 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,270 He nobody actually likes us. This is still just Yeah. smoke 1286 01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:27,930 and mirrors. Yeah. 1287 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:33,570 Okay. Yes. Actually, I've been I've been using the breeze app 1288 01:20:33,570 --> 01:20:38,220 for a couple of things. You know, it's I like the breeze. 1289 01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:41,160 It's my The first thing I check out the show any show that I 1290 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,670 post, I first go to breeze. I don't know why. But if it works 1291 01:20:44,670 --> 01:20:46,890 on breeze, then I know it'll work everywhere else. Are they? 1292 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:51,240 Are they using pod pain? No, they wouldn't use pod thing. 1293 01:20:51,749 --> 01:20:52,889 No, they No, no. 1294 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,010 They just take. Yeah. 1295 01:20:56,550 --> 01:21:04,170 What I what I use briefs for the most is discuss discovery of new 1296 01:21:04,170 --> 01:21:07,560 value for value podcasts. And I keep up with what's going on 1297 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,680 with them. Because I use all the apps, a daily driver is cast 1298 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:15,420 ematic. But I use breeze a few times a week because I tried to 1299 01:21:15,450 --> 01:21:18,690 go in there and see what what the trending stuff is because 1300 01:21:18,690 --> 01:21:23,190 the value of breeze to me is that it only shows value enabled 1301 01:21:23,190 --> 01:21:26,670 podcasts. It does not show anything else. Yes. So you can 1302 01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:29,820 really drill down and find out what's going on in the value for 1303 01:21:29,820 --> 01:21:30,540 value world. 1304 01:21:30,540 --> 01:21:32,190 Good point. Good point. 1305 01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:35,130 Let's see we got 1306 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,940 I forgot 2222 from lyceum. Three hours ago. I was reminded in the 1307 01:21:42,450 --> 01:21:46,020 in the chat. Thank you. scrolled off drive, we went way down. I 1308 01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:46,680 couldn't find it. 1309 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:51,540 Is anybody in the chat? Is anybody in the chat? Chatting 1310 01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:54,960 from pod verse? That would be interesting to know. 1311 01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:58,530 Good question. I'm just a plain old IRC client. 1312 01:21:59,310 --> 01:22:04,800 Okay. In a millennial, send us 5555 And he says, I believe the 1313 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:05,910 children are the future. 1314 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,490 So do we Man Thank you. 1315 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:18,090 Drip Scott, send us 55 555 Thank you, Jared. Very nice. Hope Adam 1316 01:22:18,090 --> 01:22:19,890 had a great birthday boost. 1317 01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:24,120 Shirt demand. Thank you. Chat F is using the pod verse chat. 1318 01:22:25,980 --> 01:22:29,520 Kyle, what's it like hearing you're hearing your voice on 1319 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:36,540 every every podcast? Like, I guess you're used to it because 1320 01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:38,310 you hear your voice all over the place anyway. 1321 01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:43,890 Now, dude, I'm totally just just honored and everything that you 1322 01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:46,950 know, I could. I thought of those clips. 1323 01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:52,979 Oh my god, I just had a great idea. Oh, oh, we need to market 1324 01:22:53,639 --> 01:22:57,419 a digital cart machine, jingle machine. So I've got a little 1325 01:22:57,419 --> 01:23:00,899 panel here. And I've got three and like, like 20 different 1326 01:23:00,899 --> 01:23:05,129 little squares and number 16. I teach that as boost. When I hit 1327 01:23:05,129 --> 01:23:09,269 that number 16 Every single time I hit it, I want to send you 10 1328 01:23:09,269 --> 01:23:15,899 sets why not? And why not? Why not? This is beautiful. You 1329 01:23:15,899 --> 01:23:19,049 build it right and you build it right into the to the you know, 1330 01:23:19,049 --> 01:23:22,619 to the jingles somehow. Magically. He said yeah. Is it 1331 01:23:22,619 --> 01:23:26,579 done yet? Dave? We developed it as it was it was residual. Yes, 1332 01:23:26,579 --> 01:23:27,719 it's a residual. 1333 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,660 You saw how it almost blew up my own bro. You want me to blow up 1334 01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:38,850 your road caster? I don't think George Orwell sin is 1111 a row 1335 01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:41,310 sticks and he says are you guys coming to the Bitcoin Conference 1336 01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:42,810 in Amsterdam? Not 1337 01:23:43,619 --> 01:23:47,189 know, it's October. I have an invite. We're both invited. 1338 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,540 The problem with me is I'm tapped out as far as PTO from my 1339 01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:54,990 day job. I'm gonna be able to go to stuff. 1340 01:23:55,020 --> 01:23:58,920 I'm tapped out on travel. I just hate it so much. Yeah. 1341 01:24:00,330 --> 01:24:05,280 See, we got 3333 from Jean Everett. And he says cheers with 1342 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,970 a little beer emoji. So we send us some virtual beers. Thank you 1343 01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:20,520 SLC send us 66,667 Nice he says value he or she says value for 1344 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,330 graphene OS info. I'm on a Galaxy S nine with Android and I 1345 01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:27,480 want Google lesson my life yeah, thanks for letting us listen to 1346 01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:29,100 you and nerd out go podcast. 1347 01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:35,790 Go podcast. Yeah, it's good stuff, man. It's worth worth 1348 01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:36,420 looking into. 1349 01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:40,140 Okay with my with my perfect Dutch I'm going to pronounce 1350 01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:45,480 Kinesia Can you say yes, yeah, well done. Getting better. Okay. 1351 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,770 7777 through fountain aces. Love the podcast. Cheers. Renee. 1352 01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:50,370 Kanika. 1353 01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:52,680 Very much Renee. Can you 1354 01:24:53,369 --> 01:25:00,719 boost boost, can you? Utrecht Utrecht? Yeah. Very good. hacky 1355 01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:01,409 I can't do it. 1356 01:25:02,130 --> 01:25:04,530 You're good. Well, I'm going to take you there one day. And 1357 01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:08,070 we're going to put in a little Dutch boy wooden shoes and shit. 1358 01:25:10,290 --> 01:25:15,720 On a bike in your basket on the handlebars, 1359 01:25:16,289 --> 01:25:18,689 Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be wonderful. Thank you 1360 01:25:18,899 --> 01:25:22,499 love the podcast from the Netherlands. Thank you. Thank 1361 01:25:22,499 --> 01:25:26,699 you, Renee. 22 To 22 from anonymous, their cast Matic 1362 01:25:26,759 --> 01:25:34,949 Thank you anonymous acerbic sin is 1000 SATs from through 1363 01:25:34,949 --> 01:25:35,639 fountain he says, 1364 01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,640 Oh, there's one thing we haven't done in a while. 1365 01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:43,530 2222 from an anonymous through cast ematic Thank you anonymous 1366 01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:50,340 33 333 through another one from SLC nine repeat customers is 1367 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,150 taking marketing money puts you into an open loop control 1368 01:25:54,150 --> 01:25:59,010 scheme. WR T you're can't wait with regards to Okay. Let me 1369 01:25:59,010 --> 01:26:01,140 start this over. Now that and understand what acronyms I'm 1370 01:26:01,140 --> 01:26:04,410 using. Taking marketing money puts you into an open loop 1371 01:26:04,410 --> 01:26:08,100 control scheme with regards to your content consumers. No 1372 01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:12,270 feedback. The company with the product being advertised gets 1373 01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:16,020 feedback and sales numbers. Not with the for V. Let's feed 1374 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:18,540 forward people. Ooh, nice. 1375 01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:21,120 I like that. And I liked it. Yeah, like very much. 1376 01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:29,250 Don't just stand there. Boost. PTR 880,000 sets, bro. 1377 01:26:30,090 --> 01:26:34,170 Nice. I think he gets a baller for that. Wow. Oh yeah. shock 1378 01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:38,940 collar blades on the Impala now say that number again. 1379 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,850 880,000 says 1380 01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,370 Whoa, what's the occasion is that like that's like the 1381 01:26:44,370 --> 01:26:46,530 biggest boob donation I've ever seen. 1382 01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,840 It says this is their Kiera Castro he says looks like the 1383 01:26:51,870 --> 01:26:56,280 looks like of the one mil only 120k actually was spent let's 1384 01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:00,090 try again for the 880 balance 880k balance well once again no 1385 01:27:00,090 --> 01:27:04,560 need to read this on the air I must have missed the first one 1386 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:04,890 then. 1387 01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:08,550 So I guess there must be one for 120 Somewhere we had this 1388 01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:09,180 message 1389 01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:14,400 and they have been alive boost I wonder I don't know but I feel 1390 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,900 like there's a battle going on between Peter and drips god 1391 01:27:18,930 --> 01:27:22,290 yeah and I endorsed this kind of fight this is a very good fight 1392 01:27:22,290 --> 01:27:23,730 to have we're very 1393 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,120 Yes Get your channels ready five 1394 01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:31,740 I just want I saw this come in actually I saw it on heli pad 1395 01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:34,890 because I'm always monitoring and heavy pads my favorite app 1396 01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:40,920 to monitor my booster grams with this way but I put this through 1397 01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:41,820 I was looking 1398 01:27:41,820 --> 01:27:43,110 at Albion aid 1399 01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:52,620 I forget I force you to use it. I don't recall the 120 going 1400 01:27:52,620 --> 01:27:56,850 through which is weird. I don't I don't recall seeing well and 1401 01:27:56,850 --> 01:27:58,950 that's not so much about I want to read his message I want to 1402 01:27:58,950 --> 01:28:00,330 make sure we get his message read 1403 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,450 boy said just like he says once again no need to read it on the 1404 01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:05,970 air so he didn't even want the original. Okay, well 1405 01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:07,860 Holy crap. Thank you so much. 1406 01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:13,860 Thank you Peter. That was Yeah, yeah, I do I fully endorse this. 1407 01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:15,360 This battle. Yes. 1408 01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:19,440 So so we're going to be number one on the leaderboard. On the 1409 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:22,860 fountain leaderboard. Oh wait, what did he boost was with curio 1410 01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:28,230 Kassar now we fall by the wayside. Oh, that's fake news. 1411 01:28:28,230 --> 01:28:29,730 Man. That's a fake news chart. 1412 01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:33,060 Yeah, it's no no as James would say is incomplete rancor. 1413 01:28:33,090 --> 01:28:39,150 Incomplete. Incomplete rank. Nailed it. 1414 01:28:40,530 --> 01:28:45,630 Peter, again with 44,000 sets. And he says 44,000 failed on the 1415 01:28:45,630 --> 01:28:47,550 last boosts. Here's a funnel mate. Good. 1416 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,820 Wow, okay. I wonder what happened. 1417 01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:53,760 There must be an origin boosts somewhere that he's now 1418 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,710 following up on in multiple rounds. And 1419 01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:58,170 the prequel is coming later. 1420 01:28:58,530 --> 01:29:03,030 It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Wow. He went full. Super Saiyan 1421 01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:08,010 mode or whatever. That's cool. Adam See 9099 That's you. Hey, 1422 01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:08,190 that's 1423 01:29:08,190 --> 01:29:11,670 me. You also read my test boosts 1424 01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:16,440 me Sal 1000 SATs man we gotta read it. Mere Mortals podcast 1425 01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:20,820 7718 says Thank you Bill Withers boost just the two of us. Oh, 1426 01:29:20,820 --> 01:29:21,120 well, because 1427 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,990 we were singing all that so. Oh, man. Thanks. Just 1428 01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:29,730 the mere mortals podcast return boost. 5858 That sounds like a 1429 01:29:29,730 --> 01:29:32,850 birthday donation is what that sounds like. Just need to say 1430 01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:36,330 that 5858 boosts will go directly to Adam to be used to 1431 01:29:36,330 --> 01:29:39,090 buy cake and candles. Extra birthday boost. 1432 01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,680 Thanks. If you don't mind, we'll just throw it all into the into 1433 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,210 the node that's okay with you. 1434 01:29:45,900 --> 01:29:51,720 Yeah. James Cridland 1001 sets to fountain and he says pod news 1435 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:56,160 covers the average cost per 1000 for programmatic ads 2351 last 1436 01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,880 month and also how well they work which is mainly research 1437 01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:01,650 for The podcast industrial complex 1438 01:30:04,140 --> 01:30:04,920 thanks James. 1439 01:30:05,940 --> 01:30:08,520 I don't care about any of that other stuff he said I just I 1440 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,260 just appreciate that he used the term. 1441 01:30:11,639 --> 01:30:13,199 In fact one time for the one time 1442 01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:17,490 fire 100 1443 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,540 a dynamite dry Cridland joke Very good. Yeah me. I relaxed I 1444 01:30:24,540 --> 01:30:26,760 blew out the microphone even for a minute they're 1445 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,110 relaxed males in his 22 to 22 Mega rove ducks and he says 1446 01:30:31,260 --> 01:30:38,160 playing catch up playing catch up and enjoying the discussion, 1447 01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,580 though it goes way over my head. Adam, Dave, thank you for 1448 01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:43,980 keeping podcasting awesome and showing the world that there is 1449 01:30:43,980 --> 01:30:48,480 a better way What was that song? Was that song from the 80s 1450 01:30:50,370 --> 01:30:55,920 there's a better way you and for me and the entire human race 1451 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:56,970 What song was that 1452 01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:05,880 one time for the ones no idea we're sorry your cat in an alley 1453 01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:06,960 that was very hurt. 1454 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,300 People die for the living. 1455 01:31:14,430 --> 01:31:20,430 We are the world's children. Come on. We are the ones 1456 01:31:26,610 --> 01:31:32,070 that Cyndi Lauper knows Dionne Warwick came in first. 1457 01:31:32,490 --> 01:31:34,410 And then Bob Dylan can't forget Bob Dylan 1458 01:31:38,730 --> 01:31:41,790 do Bruce Bruce do Bruce the boss Bruce? 1459 01:31:50,610 --> 01:31:52,320 Oh man, MTV baby. 1460 01:31:53,130 --> 01:31:54,810 Oh goodness. Oh good. 1461 01:31:55,260 --> 01:32:00,030 See, the relaxed male podcast helps men get rid of their nice 1462 01:32:00,030 --> 01:32:03,510 guy in their real life. Get rid of the nice guy in their real 1463 01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:07,110 life and start living life on their terms. Oh head over to 1464 01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:09,270 relaxed male.com that just 1465 01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:12,450 that sounds like men going their own way. 1466 01:32:13,230 --> 01:32:21,300 Yeah. Relaxed male. Big towns like a barber shop. Like like 1467 01:32:21,300 --> 01:32:24,270 one of those Yeah, take male barber shops where they you know 1468 01:32:24,270 --> 01:32:28,560 you get the you get the shoulder massage and the NALSA could be 1469 01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:34,380 could be sir Doug 10,000 SATs. Thank you, Doug. No note. Thank 1470 01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:40,740 you, sir. Thank you. jaunty ms 2222 through Brees says I'm 1471 01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:42,330 boosting from graphene OS 1472 01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:43,380 Nice. 1473 01:32:43,980 --> 01:32:50,370 Boost boost. It works Gilligan since 100,000 SATs through 1474 01:32:50,370 --> 01:32:55,080 fountain and he says Happy 100 better later than Better late 1475 01:32:55,080 --> 01:33:00,690 than never boost yo, boost. Steve in Bradenton Florida is 1476 01:33:00,690 --> 01:33:04,980 what he says thank you, Steve 1000 SATs from Gene been 1477 01:33:06,660 --> 01:33:08,790 cashed ematic gene been? 1478 01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:12,120 It says, damn. Now I've gotta go figure out what happened to 1479 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:13,110 Podcast Movement. 1480 01:33:14,910 --> 01:33:17,100 Oh, welcome to the party. Yeah, 1481 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,520 all right. Oh, Jean being held his button down because he's got 1482 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,630 about four boosts of the same message there. Okay says oh, gee 1483 01:33:24,630 --> 01:33:27,900 mean, again. 5000 says he's for cast ematic. He says, Even if 1484 01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:31,410 this readouts content is driven by anti tick tock, there are 1485 01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:34,230 aspects of it that EFF and others have been calling for 1486 01:33:34,230 --> 01:33:38,640 years. I hope those parts those parts progress impact our US 1487 01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:39,600 tech companies. 1488 01:33:41,730 --> 01:33:44,910 Well, this is playing out right now with eff Electronic Frontier 1489 01:33:44,910 --> 01:33:48,960 Foundation. He's talking I think this is going back to what I was 1490 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,690 bitching about tick tock while not bitching but pointing out 1491 01:33:51,690 --> 01:33:54,930 that they're taking Silicon Valley's money. And man, there 1492 01:33:54,930 --> 01:33:57,870 was just there's like there's they had a tick tock, lawyer, 1493 01:33:57,870 --> 01:34:02,970 Lady show up in the Senate being grilled. Really? Yeah, yeah, 1494 01:34:02,970 --> 01:34:05,460 about that. So are there any Chinese nationals who have 1495 01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:10,980 access to the data and saw such bullshit? So it's theater 1496 01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:17,190 here, here's my favorite tech press. Bullcrap is. You know, we 1497 01:34:17,190 --> 01:34:22,050 just need we just need senators. Oh, Dave. 1498 01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:26,400 Let me see. Are we still streaming? 1499 01:34:27,390 --> 01:34:28,590 That's a good question, sir. 1500 01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:32,670 Oh, yes. You're still here. Okay. So, yes. Okay, good. Oh, 1501 01:34:32,670 --> 01:34:38,910 that's good. Dave will I'm gonna have to, he's connected. I'm 1502 01:34:38,910 --> 01:34:43,110 going to you know what it might have been his. I'm going to 1503 01:34:43,170 --> 01:34:48,240 pause the pause for a second. All right, froze. So Dave, your 1504 01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:54,180 computer crashed. Yeah, we had a lot of fun at your expense. And, 1505 01:34:55,170 --> 01:34:56,730 and we got something special for you. 1506 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:09,120 At least at least once every other show that serve this. 1507 01:35:09,659 --> 01:35:15,119 Some people get a boost Dave gets together 1508 01:35:19,980 --> 01:35:22,920 okay. Oh man. All right. Where are we? 1509 01:35:23,610 --> 01:35:25,380 I don't know where did that well? 1510 01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:30,870 Oh crap. That's a good question. Hold on a second. Let me look 1511 01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,500 you can pick. So now that we know what it looks like, 1512 01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,340 gotta give me a moment to reclaim the emotion of that rant 1513 01:35:38,340 --> 01:35:41,340 that I went on for another 45 seconds after 1514 01:35:41,460 --> 01:35:44,340 and I'm sitting there looking at your dead feet and like he's 1515 01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:45,480 still talking he 1516 01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:47,790 is talking like a mofo. 1517 01:35:49,050 --> 01:35:51,660 Alright, do you think you can get back into it? Do you need 1518 01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:55,230 any motivation? Kyle? Can you give him some? Your the your you 1519 01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:56,400 can coach him through this? 1520 01:35:56,670 --> 01:35:59,400 Well, let's see. We're doing a pickup as we call in voiceover 1521 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:04,650 so we'll we'll wait. Adam, if you could play that, that one 1522 01:36:04,650 --> 01:36:10,470 string again. And then Dave, you match the tone and inflection of 1523 01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:13,950 where it cuts off and will seamlessly Frankenstein magic. I 1524 01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:17,040 wish I wish I could. But I'm actually I'm actually recording 1525 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,700 on the playback machine. And it's just not gonna go. I know. 1526 01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:21,030 I've got to 1527 01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:23,400 pay it. So I've got to pick it up cold. Yes. Cold. 1528 01:36:24,990 --> 01:36:25,380 Yeah. 1529 01:36:26,460 --> 01:36:28,890 That is that is essential and voice acting if you're a good 1530 01:36:28,890 --> 01:36:32,040 cold reader and improv. Yeah, you're off to a great start, 1531 01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:32,310 sir. 1532 01:36:32,850 --> 01:36:36,900 Okay. You want to know something that bothers the crap out of me? 1533 01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,950 Oh, please. We're very interested. This just came to me 1534 01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:44,190 out of the blue for, like, I've not thought of this before, and 1535 01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:48,450 especially not three minutes ago. This, what drives me crazy 1536 01:36:48,450 --> 01:36:53,160 is the tech press bullshit. of you know, if we just had more 1537 01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:57,150 informed politicians, more tech, more tech and foreign 1538 01:36:57,150 --> 01:37:00,000 politicians, you know, they just don't understand the tech. 1539 01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:02,970 That's the problem with the with the bad, you know, bad 1540 01:37:02,970 --> 01:37:05,340 legislation that gets passed as they just they just don't 1541 01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:09,120 understand. So if we just had more in well informed, 1542 01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:12,570 technologically informed politicians, they would pass 1543 01:37:12,570 --> 01:37:15,480 better laws, you know, they would everything would be great. 1544 01:37:16,290 --> 01:37:20,850 That's not how it works. People, if you just because you see 1545 01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:23,970 legislation that has passed, that doesn't make any sense to 1546 01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:29,550 you, in seems counterintuitive, doesn't mean that is actually 1547 01:37:29,970 --> 01:37:32,880 ill informed. But all it means is you don't understand the 1548 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:37,440 money flow. Because when when law when laws are passed, and 1549 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:41,460 when laws are proposed. This is something that everybody needs 1550 01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:45,390 to understand the concept of a juicer bill, when a law is 1551 01:37:45,390 --> 01:37:49,860 proposed, it doesn't or even passed, sometimes. Sometimes 1552 01:37:49,890 --> 01:37:54,210 it's irrelevant. What the actual effect of it does, is in the 1553 01:37:54,210 --> 01:37:59,430 real world, the only intent of the legislation is to trigger 1554 01:37:59,430 --> 01:38:04,800 money to flow to one, one campaign or another. That's all 1555 01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:10,140 sometimes it's about Amen. Yeah, the bull the bull crap of the of 1556 01:38:10,140 --> 01:38:12,990 the comment, I just hear this all the time in the tech press, 1557 01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:15,540 you know, well, clearly this politician just doesn't 1558 01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:19,140 understand the technology. They don't care about the technology. 1559 01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:21,150 They care about the money. And I'll 1560 01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:25,890 tell you that what I saw Senator Hawley doing I don't know who's 1561 01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:29,190 lobbying him who's paying for his reelection campaign or so he 1562 01:38:29,190 --> 01:38:31,440 can be on the committee's you have to pay millions of dollars 1563 01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:34,410 to get on these committees. We have to pay it into the into the 1564 01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:40,530 DNC or the RNC in this case. But he was doing such a performative 1565 01:38:40,530 --> 01:38:45,240 piece of crap about China and the CCP. And all this is is to 1566 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,330 get rid of tick tock. It's Silicon Valley removing tick 1567 01:38:48,330 --> 01:38:51,750 tock, that's what's going on in Washington DC right now. They're 1568 01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:54,720 going to remove Tiktok because they're taking all their money. 1569 01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:58,230 And it's probably because tick tock doesn't have any lobbyists 1570 01:38:58,230 --> 01:39:03,300 in Washington. Bingo, Bing, and I bet you they will give them 1571 01:39:03,330 --> 01:39:05,550 give them two years. They'll have a whole bunch of them and 1572 01:39:05,550 --> 01:39:10,890 then those and then those, those Senate committee hearings, they 1573 01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:18,030 will they will suddenly stop. Okay, here. Yeah. Sir, twin 1574 01:39:18,030 --> 01:39:22,410 screw gave us 40,000 SATs and he says the tax export topic was 1575 01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,680 very informative. Thanks, guys. Oh, talk about tax exports. 1576 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,480 Yeah, sure. We did. Maybe that was intergalactic boombox that 1577 01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:34,530 tax exports go 1578 01:39:36,090 --> 01:39:40,500 against? Yeah, it was unless I was referencing the Phantom 1579 01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:45,750 Menace or something. Oh, the taxation. Yeah, no, no, I never 1580 01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:46,170 talked about. 1581 01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:50,100 Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you 1582 01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:54,630 for the for the boost. Oh, okay. You're 50,000 SATs from Todd 1583 01:39:54,630 --> 01:39:55,110 Cochran. 1584 01:39:55,140 --> 01:39:57,030 Holden hice. Thank you. 1585 01:39:59,250 --> 01:40:02,940 Todd says I've talked about this in the latest new media show but 1586 01:40:02,940 --> 01:40:05,580 very much against something similar to nutrition labels 1587 01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:08,580 being applied to podcast to determine brand safety right. 1588 01:40:08,580 --> 01:40:11,940 That's what I continue to be concerned about podcast 1589 01:40:11,940 --> 01:40:15,390 listeners safety from specific advertisers that sneak their ads 1590 01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:19,260 through proper programmatic platforms. But purpose purposely 1591 01:40:19,710 --> 01:40:22,380 Miss identifying the content of their ads. 1592 01:40:22,590 --> 01:40:26,100 Oh, this is the this is the reverse problem. The reverse 1593 01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:30,780 problem of dynamically inserted ads is you tag what your your 1594 01:40:30,780 --> 01:40:36,660 product is. And so a show may say I don't want any casino 1595 01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:41,160 gambling, for whatever reason, I can't get enough of it. But we 1596 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,940 don't want any casino gambling ads. And if they mislabel and 1597 01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:49,290 say well, really Las Vegas tourism ad, but they're a casino 1598 01:40:49,290 --> 01:40:52,500 gambling ad and so that shows up on a dynamically insert ad and 1599 01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:56,850 that makes podcaster unhappy. I know Todd's heart is in the 1600 01:40:56,850 --> 01:40:59,460 right place. I know that he's doing this for the for the 1601 01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,880 little people. I know that because I know him this and when 1602 01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:07,320 I say the little people that's like us I hope I really hope it 1603 01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:11,130 works out I really do. But you know all that work will not be 1604 01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:15,360 for naught and you're putting 2.0 in so there's always a 1605 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:16,050 backup plan. 1606 01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:21,000 Yeah, the escape hatch the value for value escape is exactly 1607 01:41:21,210 --> 01:41:24,090 the escape puppet you pop it the escape hatch to the 1608 01:41:24,090 --> 01:41:25,350 international lifestyle. 1609 01:41:26,039 --> 01:41:29,459 Yeah, when everything goes bad you you pop this jump out 1610 01:41:29,939 --> 01:41:33,809 example hotel just what he says example hotel that slips in a 1611 01:41:33,809 --> 01:41:39,509 gambling ad but only listed as a hotel ad. Yeah. Yep. Live value 1612 01:41:39,509 --> 01:41:41,639 for value. Go podcasting. Oh, 1613 01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:47,010 sorry. I was doing too much. Give you a little lightning 1614 01:41:47,010 --> 01:41:47,670 boost there. 1615 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,800 Thank you, Brother Todd. Lyceum 2222 through fountaining says 1616 01:41:55,980 --> 01:41:59,700 with value for value dot info. You have the ducks in the row 1617 01:42:00,210 --> 01:42:02,910 2226 symbolic gesture 1618 01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:10,500 free launching value for value dot info. GG and I have been 1619 01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:15,000 working on this and this is still some stuff to be changed. 1620 01:42:15,210 --> 01:42:18,750 But take a look at value four number four value dot info. 1621 01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:22,650 Yeah, I'm very bullish on this on this work. Eller do you all 1622 01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:27,330 y'all both have a really good way of boiling things down into 1623 01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:32,130 memorable pithy phrasing, that really helps cut through, like 1624 01:42:32,130 --> 01:42:36,150 cut through the fog, you know, I know this is gonna be a great 1625 01:42:36,150 --> 01:42:36,510 side 1626 01:42:36,780 --> 01:42:40,770 and organize all this stuff and put into that site. I did none 1627 01:42:40,770 --> 01:42:43,080 of that work. He did all of that. It's amazing. 1628 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,790 Let's see. He says I mentioned your new site in Episode 56 1629 01:42:47,790 --> 01:42:50,790 years of time, talent and treasure of the secular foxhole 1630 01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:53,880 podcast. Best premise Martin Linda Skog. Well, thank you, 1631 01:42:54,180 --> 01:43:00,480 Martin. And 2222 from McIntosh, he says getting ready listen to 1632 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,960 the best podcast in Tupelo. No show on the net. Go podcasting 1633 01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,070 go podcast. 1634 01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:14,460 And the delimiter comic strip blogger through fountain 15,033 1635 01:43:14,460 --> 01:43:19,230 sads he says, howdy David. Adam. Please don't hate Aetherium it 1636 01:43:19,230 --> 01:43:22,530 soon will overtake Bitcoin volume was You okay, well, yeah. 1637 01:43:23,460 --> 01:43:28,950 I use it for cartoon in fts. Anyways, your audience is kindly 1638 01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:32,010 invited to listen to our podcast about artificial intelligence 1639 01:43:32,010 --> 01:43:36,090 called AI dot cooking. Read by Gregory William Forsythe Forman 1640 01:43:36,090 --> 01:43:40,650 from kid just type in your web browser or any podcast app. Ai 1641 01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:43,380 dot cooking yo. Boosts and 1642 01:43:43,380 --> 01:43:46,860 yo back to you hold on bombshell. We have a late 1643 01:43:46,860 --> 01:43:55,650 breaking booster Graham from Dred Scott 555,555 Satoshi 1644 01:43:58,440 --> 01:44:00,750 blades on Ambala. 1645 01:44:01,710 --> 01:44:05,550 See this is the PTR hidden with uppercut and drip comes back 1646 01:44:05,550 --> 01:44:06,870 with the left hook. That's what this is 1647 01:44:06,900 --> 01:44:10,710 beautiful, as beautiful as in Java. And then we have metus who 1648 01:44:10,710 --> 01:44:13,890 comes in with 807 Do you know what that is? 1649 01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:17,370 lopsided boob? 1650 01:44:17,789 --> 01:44:26,549 No, it's boot boost food. Awesome. Nice. And that's it. So 1651 01:44:26,549 --> 01:44:30,569 I just had an idea. We have the we have the GitHub repository, 1652 01:44:30,569 --> 01:44:35,099 the GitHub with all of the all of the booster Graham stuff is a 1653 01:44:35,099 --> 01:44:39,209 lot of stuff in there. All we need is a simple web page 1654 01:44:39,209 --> 01:44:43,799 player. And when you hit the no matter who it is, you log in 1655 01:44:43,829 --> 01:44:47,249 with Alby do with Alby? There you go. So you log in with your 1656 01:44:47,249 --> 01:44:50,429 Alby on that page. And then when you're doing your booster gram 1657 01:44:50,429 --> 01:44:53,609 when you're doing your, your donation segment, your ask your 1658 01:44:53,609 --> 01:44:56,159 booster grams, then you just bring up that page. You can do 1659 01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:58,469 all those boosts and every single time you hit a boost, it 1660 01:44:58,469 --> 01:45:02,579 fires off a byte to be determined by you amount of SATs 1661 01:45:02,579 --> 01:45:03,569 from your out b wallet. 1662 01:45:04,350 --> 01:45:08,730 I would use that. I love it. Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. 1663 01:45:09,090 --> 01:45:18,480 That cow you are like the master weaving in you know it's booster 1664 01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:23,280 related on the fly sound effects through your you know made out 1665 01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,520 of your voice not you know not out of a out of a machine. But 1666 01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:30,420 do you do you pre do you do need that on the fly? Do you pre 1667 01:45:30,420 --> 01:45:33,450 recorded like what what's, what's your process? 1668 01:45:33,660 --> 01:45:37,500 No, because when I'm I'm recording directly into Adobe 1669 01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:41,160 Audition and I don't know how to do more than one input other 1670 01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:45,030 than my mic. I'm sure there's an easy way to it. I've asked some 1671 01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:47,850 engineers it's like well let me get on Zoom and walk you through 1672 01:45:47,850 --> 01:45:51,600 that because yeah, if you want to do a soundboard live as you 1673 01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:55,710 record Yeah, you're gonna have to do some some patching up and 1674 01:45:55,710 --> 01:45:59,280 I was like, oh god that sounds convoluted. I want to be able to 1675 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,750 do that. But yeah, as as it is, I simply stick in the the pre 1676 01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:07,530 recorded stuff as layering and post in post. 1677 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:15,060 Okay, gotcha. We got some monthlies. Okay. Tim Hutchins, 1678 01:46:15,150 --> 01:46:22,170 my buddy $25 Terry Keller $5 Soren Hilger Mueller $5 Chris 1679 01:46:22,170 --> 01:46:27,990 Cowan $5 Jeremy Kevin all $10 debt free Rutherford. $5 Derek 1680 01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:33,450 J. Vickery. $21 Daymond Cassie, Jack $15 David Norman of 1681 01:46:33,450 --> 01:46:38,700 fabricator $25 Paul Saltzman $22.22 Thank you, Jeremy 1682 01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:43,200 Garrett's $5 and Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. Nice. 1683 01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:47,760 Thank you all very much to these boosters these monthlies the 1684 01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:52,200 Fiat fun coupon. gifters we appreciate it all this keeps 1685 01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,950 podcasting 2.0 on the rails and moving forward. But what's that 1686 01:46:55,950 --> 01:47:00,330 thing? Fast forward now? What was it? We just we just had the 1687 01:47:00,330 --> 01:47:01,470 cool phrase feed, 1688 01:47:02,010 --> 01:47:02,760 feed forward 1689 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,170 feed forward feed forward. 1690 01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,700 No, that's not right. I lost my IRC so I can't get back Oh, can 1691 01:47:08,700 --> 01:47:09,750 I get the boot again? 1692 01:47:11,970 --> 01:47:16,710 Maybe so maybe someone will remind me given go to podcast 1693 01:47:16,710 --> 01:47:19,530 index.org down at the bottom you'll see red donate button if 1694 01:47:19,530 --> 01:47:21,780 you want to send it through Fiat fun coupons will be through 1695 01:47:21,780 --> 01:47:25,500 PayPal of course get one of those modern podcast apps at new 1696 01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:30,390 podcast app.com Throw the legacy out start feed forward that's 1697 01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:33,510 what it was feed forward eight for throw the legacy apps out 1698 01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:36,960 there just give it a shot. I think you will like it. There's 1699 01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:42,510 a lot of fun to be had. Okay, where are we at now? Holy crap. 1700 01:47:42,690 --> 01:47:45,150 So they've told me if I if I don't show up in like 10 minutes 1701 01:47:45,150 --> 01:47:51,630 then there's gonna be no more dinner for 80 Miles Okay, well I 1702 01:47:51,630 --> 01:47:54,960 have a feeling these guys don't mess around here and in Georgia. 1703 01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:59,250 You go negotiate the new bass bass coin blockchain 1704 01:47:59,579 --> 01:48:02,849 Hey, I'm telling you this is a great idea the beef I bet you it 1705 01:48:02,849 --> 01:48:05,159 exists 10 Bitcoin 1706 01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:06,120 a batch of beef corned 1707 01:48:07,620 --> 01:48:09,780 beef let's take a look right now. Hold on. 1708 01:48:11,010 --> 01:48:13,650 It's got to exist. Let's get to 1709 01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,410 but it is an act if this is a shit coin I'm gonna buy some 1710 01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:17,160 just to have it. 1711 01:48:17,550 --> 01:48:20,610 Beef coin a cryptocurrency for production of meat from the farm 1712 01:48:20,610 --> 01:48:24,060 to the table there you go. Yeah, it exists. Of course it does. 1713 01:48:27,450 --> 01:48:29,550 The Bitcoin project wants to eliminate the intensive 1714 01:48:29,550 --> 01:48:32,490 technologies used in beef farming if whatever's play Elgin 1715 01:48:32,490 --> 01:48:34,380 Dow or something, there's some crap like that. 1716 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,920 Kyle brother, we really appreciate him coming on you 1717 01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,950 shared a lot of very different stuff. It was really good to 1718 01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:44,100 hear you kind of walk you through a couple of concepts 1719 01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:47,880 that we talked about on the show. Hey man, it really it 1720 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:53,580 really helped us understand that we have to be careful because 1721 01:48:54,990 --> 01:48:59,430 we're just not understood. We use terms terms that means 1722 01:48:59,430 --> 01:49:03,360 something else in humanoid language I guess that was that 1723 01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,850 was very much appreciate you came and thank you for 1724 01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:10,560 supporting podcasting 2.0 with really with your time and talent 1725 01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,260 that's you can't do much better than that. I mean, it really 1726 01:49:13,260 --> 01:49:16,800 really fantastic we love it. And the booth Thank you. You are the 1727 01:49:17,340 --> 01:49:17,910 boost man 1728 01:49:22,530 --> 01:49:26,400 all that all that stuff? Dude, it has been such an honor to get 1729 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,120 to speak with you and be on your show. Adam, you obviously you're 1730 01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:34,620 you started a whole genre of entertainment and it's it's 1731 01:49:34,650 --> 01:49:39,510 amazing. And Dave your other pod sage. You have been so cool. And 1732 01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:43,770 amazing and the dynamic between you guys and leading the team. 1733 01:49:43,770 --> 01:49:46,410 It's It's It's awesome. It's thank you so much. 1734 01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:49,590 I want you to say this. Love your work, man. 1735 01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:52,950 Yeah, love your work, man. 1736 01:49:53,279 --> 01:49:55,349 I was so sincere, beautiful. 1737 01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:58,410 I almost believed it. 1738 01:49:59,430 --> 01:50:04,260 Yeah, gotta work. Am I voice acting for 22 years? More 1739 01:50:04,260 --> 01:50:09,060 classes? Hi, man. You good? I'm good. All right. Well 1740 01:50:09,090 --> 01:50:12,180 have a great weekend everybody and as long as there's no 1741 01:50:12,180 --> 01:50:16,740 banjos, we'll be back for another board meeting next week, 1742 01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:21,060 same time, same place. Check us out podcasting. 2.0 See you then 1743 01:50:21,060 --> 01:50:21,870 everybody bye bye 1744 01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:43,290 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1745 01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:46,020 index.com For more information