Episode 105: Bombshell!

1 00:00:03,689 --> 00:00:12,089 worried that? Podcasting 2.0 for October 7 2022 Episode 105 We 2 00:00:12,089 --> 00:00:17,849 got a bombshell. Hello, everybody. Welcome to podcasting 3 00:00:17,849 --> 00:00:23,039 2.0 The weekly board meeting of exactly that namesake? What is 4 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,459 happening? How do we do it? What is this value for value thing? 5 00:00:26,489 --> 00:00:28,979 Do you finally think you could give us an update about the 6 00:00:28,979 --> 00:00:32,399 namespace? Or, hey, why don't we all just go look at podcast 7 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:35,399 index.org and see we can do this better. This is all that we 8 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:39,269 discuss here in the board meeting. Podcasting 2.0 I'm Adam 9 00:00:39,269 --> 00:00:41,849 curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an Alabama the 10 00:00:41,849 --> 00:00:44,819 man who feeds sheep with Bitcoin say hello to my friend on the 11 00:00:44,819 --> 00:00:47,729 other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,740 at the International namespace day. 13 00:00:54,780 --> 00:00:57,510 Alright, let's mark that down October 7, International 14 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:58,620 namespace day. 15 00:00:59,010 --> 00:01:02,670 I mean, everybody, everybody, just evidently there's this, the 16 00:01:02,670 --> 00:01:04,530 wild west out there, you can just make anything 17 00:01:04,530 --> 00:01:08,670 International, whatever you want to date. Mark it down October 7. 18 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:11,880 I know I'm always surprised this international podcast day and 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,330 then it's podcast birthday. And then and then I realized, you 20 00:01:15,330 --> 00:01:18,870 know, I'm, it's funny, you bring that up, cuz I was gonna, I was 21 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:22,410 gonna talk about this eventually. Like, I hear so many 22 00:01:22,410 --> 00:01:25,710 people in the industry, the podcast industrial complex, 23 00:01:26,460 --> 00:01:28,590 talking about you know, how young the industry is, we're 24 00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:32,580 just getting started. I'm like, wait a minute. It's almost been 25 00:01:32,580 --> 00:01:37,140 20 years and we still haven't figured out how to really 26 00:01:37,170 --> 00:01:41,130 measure downloads. You know, we're still having these 27 00:01:41,130 --> 00:01:47,010 discussions and arguments and now and, and it's a young 28 00:01:47,010 --> 00:01:51,780 knowable and young industry but you know, 1010 Spotify shows go 29 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:54,420 away and maybe a small percentage of their overall but 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,380 you know that what is that maybe a million dollars worth? 31 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:00,510 Because, you know, they just pouring money in everywhere. 32 00:02:00,510 --> 00:02:04,710 It's not coming back. marketing marketing budgets are being 33 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:09,120 slashed everywhere. And I just I'd want to be a little 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,700 realistic with people is like, I don't see it. I don't see it. 35 00:02:16,110 --> 00:02:22,680 The Yeah, The bleeding has started in earnest. I mean, not 36 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,930 just not just in podcasting, but across the border. 37 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,600 Everything. Yes, everything Yeah, but even out now you're 38 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,150 gonna see the cracks are starting to appear. 39 00:02:31,139 --> 00:02:33,809 Oh, God, we we got to make a profit. Oh my god, what are we 40 00:02:33,809 --> 00:02:35,189 gonna do? I mean, well, 41 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:38,040 that's exactly the problem. It wasn't it was not a problem 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,220 until we had to show profit. I was just listening in the in the 43 00:02:41,220 --> 00:02:50,700 car. Lift. Lift is like they they spend 125%. So, so they'll 44 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:53,010 never be profitable. And everyone here the analysts are 45 00:02:53,010 --> 00:02:55,890 saying, well, you know, we just don't see much upside because it 46 00:02:55,890 --> 00:02:59,910 doesn't look like they can ever make money. Yeah, and that's 47 00:02:59,910 --> 00:03:03,450 because, you know, the capital markets were there and freely 48 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:05,910 available for very, for very little, you know, we're gonna 49 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:09,000 see another rate hike, obviously, that's, it's, it's 50 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,940 out of control. Nobody knows what to do. But what everyone's 51 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:15,540 trying to do is sit that's what Bitcoin, like Bitcoin goes down, 52 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:19,080 because the dollar is the most desired thing right now in the 53 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,450 world, because everyone knows the interest rates are gonna go 54 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:25,110 up, and they have loans in dollars, they have to pay off. 55 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:27,660 So it's, you know, the, the better, the better get those 56 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:28,530 dollars now. 57 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:39,180 So, landing is the name of a company that was there's a local 58 00:03:39,180 --> 00:03:43,050 guy, I think his name is Bill Smith, very, very generic name, 59 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:47,610 but he's kind of a big deal locally in Birmingham. So Bill 60 00:03:47,610 --> 00:03:51,720 Smith, created this company called shipped Shi pt. 61 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,870 And yeah, I've heard of this. Yeah, 62 00:03:54,870 --> 00:03:59,070 they're, I mean, this is the standard grocery delivery type 63 00:03:59,070 --> 00:04:01,800 deal, you know, but they started local and they had to deal with 64 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Publix grocery stores. That was their first big partnership. And 65 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,280 so they were like exclusive with Publix. And you will target came 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,490 in and bought them. I think five years ago, maybe four years ago. 67 00:04:12,090 --> 00:04:18,150 That target bought them for like $550 million. The so then he 68 00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:23,940 left? Chips, you know, he got his exit after he tested or 69 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:27,090 whatever. Yeah, he got out. And then he goes and he starts this 70 00:04:27,090 --> 00:04:30,270 thing called landing. And landing is this company that is 71 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:36,630 like a national network of apartments or temporary 72 00:04:36,630 --> 00:04:41,190 residencies for people who are bouncing back and forth between 73 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,950 between residences and like, so then they, as they started this 74 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:50,220 thing, well, they just announced today. They started it, I think 75 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:52,620 two years ago. It was headquartered in San Francisco. 76 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:54,960 Then it moved the headquarters to Birmingham. Long story short, 77 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,090 they're laying off 110 People today because I mean, the You 78 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,140 know, everybody's got to show profit. Now. This is not, this 79 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:07,290 is not how the exits work. You're not supposed to have to 80 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:11,100 show a profit. You're supposed to get out early. And it just is 81 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,830 like things finally caught up and it's like, oh crap, we 82 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,620 profits not in our none in our business plan. 83 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:19,890 Yeah. And I think I warned for this very scenario. I said that 84 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:23,250 this was coming. Yeah. Because people forget I'm from the 85 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:29,970 future. How many times do I have to remind you? Well, so so back 86 00:05:29,970 --> 00:05:31,740 to podcasting. I've been listening to different 87 00:05:31,740 --> 00:05:33,870 interviews and you know, just you know, I listened to the 88 00:05:33,870 --> 00:05:37,350 regular stuff, but it's, it's really been a lot of interesting 89 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:40,770 things to take in. And it finally, it kind of hit me I 90 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,800 understand now what the industry is the podcast industrial 91 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,090 complex, and why there's a call for equity and all of this 92 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,990 because if you look at this Hollywood, Hollywood Reporter 93 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:56,610 most influential list and podcasting limits it's where 94 00:05:56,610 --> 00:05:59,580 it's you know, it's where all the money is it's literally 95 00:05:59,580 --> 00:06:02,790 where all the money is centered. And the weirdest one in there as 96 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:05,400 Joe Rogan he's also not very high on the list that put him in 97 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,570 the middle somewhere. But you know, it's and it's all you 98 00:06:09,570 --> 00:06:12,180 know, people especially on the industry side, coming from 99 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:15,480 Amazon coming from NPR and you know, it's, it's like and they 100 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,310 kind of brought in their their Hollywood newness and their and 101 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:23,070 I'm sure money as well came with them people following this 102 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:26,880 talent, but I don't think they're really seeing the ROI 103 00:06:26,910 --> 00:06:31,200 just feels like that to me. So it remains very, very small and 104 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,200 if you look at the if you look at that's where the money is, 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,660 that's where this billion dollars is that I keep hearing 106 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:40,740 about. And it's you know, it's not you can't just start your 107 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:44,160 podcast grow your audience and then the dynamically inserted 108 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,120 ads pay your rent is just not like that. And that's admit but 109 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,870 that's admitted, you know, it's admitted and tada Todd Rundgren, 110 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,810 Todd Cochran would be would he be the first to admit that you 111 00:06:57,810 --> 00:07:00,060 know, and he's no he actually thinks that's very important 112 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:05,100 that people have realized realistic expectations but you 113 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:08,700 know, in that group Yeah, that's a very close click and they're 114 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:12,570 calling that the podcast industry and outside of that is 115 00:07:12,570 --> 00:07:15,420 where it really all the all the beauty is where all the 116 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:19,080 beautiful things live where all the fun is and sometimes the 117 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,830 danger and you know it's it's it's outside that portal where 118 00:07:22,830 --> 00:07:24,390 it gets really interesting 119 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,240 look looking at this list we'll see the first is will our net 120 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,900 Jason bay that means a very very, very funny 121 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:36,510 podcast by the way and we have listened to it once or twice 122 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:40,650 very funny I get the jokes not really from me. But you know 123 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:45,420 money Oh, yeah, they got big contract to do that. Sure. And 124 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,980 you have you know, Team Coco bought for 150 million Yeah, so 125 00:07:49,980 --> 00:07:52,350 there's a lot of you know, this is why you get some some of 126 00:07:52,350 --> 00:07:56,730 those players on the inside you know, buying now admitted pretty 127 00:07:56,730 --> 00:08:01,170 much scam listens inside game apps which are intended for the 128 00:08:01,170 --> 00:08:05,220 purpose, you know, to keep this facade going and you know, the 129 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:07,800 advertisers are kind of being suckered along for the ride. 130 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,400 They maybe make goods and some of these radio dual plays. But 131 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,200 it's, it's kind of pathetic. And it's really not at all what I 132 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,460 feel. I mean, even when we first started off and NPR and 133 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:24,810 everyone's kind of on the same level, and you know, in trying 134 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:28,440 to pull it towards their own platforms, it's just become 135 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,200 incestuous. But I think they're gonna discover it too. You see 136 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,170 that with Spotify is like, Oh, crap. We can't pull this shit 137 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:36,480 off. Anyway, these were gimlet shows and he's not supposed to 138 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,860 be the creme de la creme 139 00:08:39,299 --> 00:08:44,219 like, well, gimlet, are they so did gimlet. Are they part of the 140 00:08:44,219 --> 00:08:49,859 whole? The Union thing? Did they unionize? I think so they were 141 00:08:49,859 --> 00:08:52,739 right. Because that thinks that's going to destroy those 142 00:08:52,739 --> 00:08:55,259 companies. All those companies that unionized are going to I 143 00:08:55,259 --> 00:08:58,439 mean, they're gonna collapse. At some point. I mean, 144 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,149 well, well, thank you. You make a good point. The best podcasts 145 00:09:03,149 --> 00:09:05,819 in my in my opinion, I'm not talking about audio products, 146 00:09:05,819 --> 00:09:08,129 but the things that excite us the things that we find your 147 00:09:08,129 --> 00:09:12,209 gyms that we have build community around, that aren't 148 00:09:12,209 --> 00:09:16,079 necessarily mainstream, you know, done differently, or the 149 00:09:16,079 --> 00:09:18,419 Kara Swisher said it's just radio reimagined. 150 00:09:21,029 --> 00:09:23,729 How about I've got a I've got a print. I've got a gift for you. 151 00:09:23,969 --> 00:09:32,639 Oh, you do? Yes. It's a clip. Is it is a clip from Prof. G. 152 00:09:34,289 --> 00:09:36,389 Okay, is this Can I unwrap it now? 153 00:09:36,809 --> 00:09:38,309 Yeah, sure. Go ahead, Rick. Today pearls. 154 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:41,460 Before we get to the show, we have a favor to ask what makes 155 00:09:41,460 --> 00:09:44,490 this show special is our dedicated listeners like you. 156 00:09:44,910 --> 00:09:47,880 Sweet anyways, that's why we'd like your help planning for our 157 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,640 future by filling out a short survey. You can go to the link 158 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,140 in the show notes or directly to vox.com/pod survey. We'd really 159 00:09:55,140 --> 00:09:57,810 appreciate your feedback to help us understand who's listening, 160 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,150 what kind of content our audience is looking for. And 161 00:10:00,150 --> 00:10:03,630 hopefully, how we can reach even more fans. And also be sure to 162 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:05,640 say the reason you tune in is solely because of Scott 163 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,330 Galloway. Okay, thank you very much. Oh, my goodness. 164 00:10:11,099 --> 00:10:16,349 This is it. This must be the news. Silicon Valley is this new 165 00:10:16,349 --> 00:10:21,149 Silicon Valley thing is like, feigning contempt and dis 166 00:10:21,209 --> 00:10:22,439 disinterest, that's, 167 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:26,700 well, that's really him. Because he can't live with him. So he, 168 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:30,600 this is a typical example of someone who can't ask for 169 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,180 something sincerely, he would never make it in value for 170 00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:37,650 value. No, actually, I want it, I wanted to talk about value for 171 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:39,570 value per second, let's just leave the add stuff for what it 172 00:10:39,570 --> 00:10:44,700 is. Plenty of other people can talk about that. People really 173 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:48,690 don't understand the ask, you know, they're struggling with 174 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:53,460 it. And why don't we just use this, this podcast as an 175 00:10:53,460 --> 00:10:58,200 example. Now, in this case, we have a project attached attached 176 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,080 to the podcast. So this is very specific way of doing it in some 177 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,750 ways, it might actually be harder, in some ways, it might 178 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:10,950 be easier. But once you lay out the ground rules, and we say, we 179 00:11:10,950 --> 00:11:14,760 believe we've created incredible value, and you remind people of 180 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,570 it, that's when the lights start to go off. And something happens 181 00:11:18,570 --> 00:11:24,060 within the human psyche that I can't really explain. But 182 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:26,490 there's you know, there's, there's a lot of what makes 183 00:11:26,490 --> 00:11:31,860 people give and, and what motivates them. And it has to do 184 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:35,250 also with community and with emotions, and your own past your 185 00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:38,250 own history, etc. Your childhood, how your mom 186 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:40,110 psychologically abused 187 00:11:40,110 --> 00:11:45,720 you. It's okay, sweetheart. And here's tissue 188 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:49,770 so so I believe that people support this show what you and I 189 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:53,430 are doing and this project, because of the value we've 190 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:57,300 created, not because we're funny enough, it helps not because 191 00:11:57,330 --> 00:12:01,740 we're good looking, obviously, that helps. A lot. But for the 192 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:05,310 value we've created, let me just give you just in what is it now 193 00:12:05,340 --> 00:12:07,020 two and a half years? And we have we hit two and a half 194 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:11,100 years, we hit two years? To over two. Yeah, wherever to you look 195 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:15,330 at some of the value of created this podcast index.org itself, 196 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:21,720 we kind of just talk about like the index. But you have created 197 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,430 this, this incredible. I mean, it's a hybrid type beast like a 198 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:30,420 chimera, because it lives publicly and replicates itself. 199 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:35,550 You know, and it's fused away, but you can tap into it and suck 200 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:37,860 off of it all day. I mean, 201 00:12:38,940 --> 00:12:40,770 well, that's explicit to you. 202 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:45,090 But I'm envisioning like a monster, you know, but it's not 203 00:12:45,090 --> 00:12:48,060 really it's a friendly monster. And it's this oozing ball of 204 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:51,780 stuff and, and plop, a blob goes off once a week, and people can 205 00:12:51,780 --> 00:12:54,930 use that and create their own monster at home. 206 00:12:55,529 --> 00:12:59,099 Biochemistry speaking, it replicates by budding. There you 207 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:05,280 go, there you go. So we've spawned out of this. Besides the 208 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,030 obvious fun and creativity, we have people who have built 209 00:13:09,510 --> 00:13:13,740 services and apps have added to their I mean, hosting companies 210 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:18,060 have have an add new competitive edge. There are investors and 211 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:24,120 advisors, and new customers and new audiences. All these things 212 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,870 came out of the value that we started to put together and then 213 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:33,030 people who receive that value. And that can also be people who 214 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:37,890 use podcasts, people who podcast it's, it's the entire universe. 215 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,780 There's something inside that goes, Oh, yeah, that's valuable. 216 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:46,620 And I like that to continue. And I know that, you know, this, I 217 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:50,550 do this and whatever that is, for you is exactly what it is 218 00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:55,440 exactly. Right. And somehow is, you know, no one can explain it 219 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,870 to me. I can't explain it either. But for some reason it 220 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:00,450 works. And I could we could probably make a biblical 221 00:14:00,450 --> 00:14:03,750 argument. I can make it like a universal life force argument. 222 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:08,520 Give us the give us the Scripture, Dave. description 223 00:14:09,270 --> 00:14:10,320 that explains this. 224 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:14,189 Yes. Second Jesus, verse three. 225 00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:17,219 Wouldn't that be cool if you went oh, well, Adam 226 00:14:19,050 --> 00:14:25,200 is right here right here. I mean, so Twitter on Twitter, 227 00:14:25,410 --> 00:14:28,140 there was some conversation like what? Okay, the different tweak 228 00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:35,580 tips in value for value. And you know, I gave it a shot and then 229 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:41,400 you came in and said, we'll do the same thing you just be your 230 00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:43,320 wealth. What did you say exactly? What was your exact 231 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,210 wording? I don't have Twitter in front of me. Oh, 232 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:49,290 it's the exact same thing it asked for tips, you get tips ask 233 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:53,010 for value. And all of a sudden the magic happens. 234 00:14:53,580 --> 00:14:57,960 Right? So the in the value the thing that we you know, we 235 00:14:57,990 --> 00:15:00,150 there's the technical side of this podcast and then there As 236 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:03,960 the value for this podcast is an ongoing ever arching you know 237 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:10,080 ever never ending try attempt to explain the value for value 238 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,770 concept. 239 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:14,550 It's also a it's also the only meeting we ever have. It is 240 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:17,970 everything else is just hey, how you doing? Here's a link yeah, 241 00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:20,010 great love you Love you too have a nice day 242 00:15:20,010 --> 00:15:24,360 at work. It is. It's like, Hey, did you see Allah sent me this 243 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:32,190 thing about sheep eaten Bitcoin feed? Pretty much. Which, which, 244 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:34,680 by the way was awesome. Can I please build that I really want 245 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:34,950 to build 246 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:37,680 it was kind of weird because so what we're talking about is 247 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,100 this, I guess it's lightning enabled. And there's a camera 248 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:44,430 and there's a sheep and then when someone pays for the 249 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:48,210 invoice or you know, sends it Satoshis then some some feed 250 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:51,120 drops out of this little pipe out of the wall. But the thing 251 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,260 is, the sheep knows now he just has his mouth around the pipe it 252 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:58,680 was highly disturbing to watch. And then you hear the you see 253 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,390 little Bitcoin logo, ching ching ching. And it's wrong. It's 254 00:16:03,390 --> 00:16:04,890 wrong in so many ways. 255 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,410 This is hilarious. And I want to do this animal cruelty is what 256 00:16:10,410 --> 00:16:13,440 it is. No, it's not they love it. They love Bitcoin, their 257 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:23,700 Max. Max. Max is the in so you feed the you scan the little QR 258 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:26,370 code and and and Alex sent it to me. And I was like, Are you 259 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:29,850 kidding me what the eff is. So then I come back. And I'm 260 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:32,340 sitting there staring at this and there's no way this works. 261 00:16:33,090 --> 00:16:37,140 And I scan the QR code and it's like it just spit out some feed. 262 00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:41,760 I was like, Are you kidding me? So then I'm like, I respond to 263 00:16:44,490 --> 00:16:47,940 respond to Alex. I'm like, Man, I can't help it. I did it. I had 264 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:50,700 to do it add in an Alice replied. And he's like, he's 265 00:16:50,700 --> 00:17:00,480 like, Man, I did it like this sheep, the sheep are in a grand 266 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,210 experiment that they never say they will never understand. 267 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,600 It's like, you know what it reminds me of the early days of 268 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,060 the internet. And we had webcams I had the Empire camera in my 269 00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:17,490 office in like, yeah, it was the 1990s. And, you know, so I had 270 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,600 like a Logitech one of those ball cams. Yeah, took a shot 271 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,580 every, you know, every minute or whatever. And then you just 272 00:17:26,580 --> 00:17:29,490 posted that with a timestamp. And you had all these different 273 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:33,090 cams all around the world. It's kind of that that early vibe of 274 00:17:33,090 --> 00:17:35,700 what kind of you know, of course, even before that, you 275 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:39,720 had the internet coffee machine, which was hooked up. University 276 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,280 was hooked up at and you could see the status of the coffee. If 277 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,330 it had to be made or not. 278 00:17:45,930 --> 00:17:49,110 I'm thinking we need to do this. I mean, like there has to be 279 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:51,750 this has opened up so much creative juice. I mean, like you 280 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:57,780 could scan you know pay to have I got it. I got it. Okay, 281 00:17:58,020 --> 00:18:02,610 there's it's the jukebox, the internet jukebox. So you can 282 00:18:02,610 --> 00:18:06,030 have the weed at the podcast you box. Somebody needs to build 283 00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:09,630 this for the hackathon, the podcast, you box, you scan a QR 284 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:13,320 code and that gets in then you have a suggestion that you want 285 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:19,080 to queue into the jukebox like Graham, Graham, boost the 286 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,260 podcast index ID of the one you want to queue up another 287 00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:24,480 episode, you want to queue up next. I mean, there's like a 288 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,960 million this programmable money makes things just 289 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,650 and I'll say that not everyone agrees with with exactly what 290 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:37,470 they're doing. But I think fountain is Oscar and those guys 291 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:40,140 are having a good time with with lightning. I think they're doing 292 00:18:40,140 --> 00:18:43,140 really in. I'm not an advisor. I think they're doing really 293 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:55,830 interesting. I'm not an advisor. I want to disclose that. But you 294 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:58,620 know what I mean? It's like, there's lots of great. That's 295 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:02,100 another thing I want to say. So the most enjoyable for me has 296 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,070 been a lot of things have been enjoyable. I really love all the 297 00:19:05,070 --> 00:19:10,830 developers, developers, developers, throwback to Steve 298 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:12,660 Ballmer. Anybody know? Yeah, 299 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:13,380 Ballmer 300 00:19:16,290 --> 00:19:21,480 is the developers of so interesting. And I love how they 301 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,880 think I love how they communicate. I love what they 302 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,700 build. It's like I feel very privileged to be in the middle 303 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:32,790 of artists. And I think part of the value of what we've created 304 00:19:32,790 --> 00:19:37,860 with basically an API that costs nothing. You please come ahead 305 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:46,290 and use it. Is it for podcast developers, then? You know, you 306 00:19:46,290 --> 00:19:49,470 were using the Apple API. You I know in the back of your mind, 307 00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:52,230 you felt kind of like snooping. You know, it felt like kind of 308 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:56,550 weird. I'm sure it did. And now it's just like, hey, you know, 309 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:58,860 it's like, you know, you're not going to kicked off and you 310 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,310 know, we're all Playing in the same sandbox here where 311 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:05,100 everyone's keeping it fair. I think, you know, we have API 312 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,920 abuse. But that's really from bots and other crap. I'm sure 313 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,730 it's scammers and spammers, but you know, and people are really 314 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:14,820 respectful. And it's such a beautiful way of working 315 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:18,120 together. It is, again, one of the most rewarding things for me 316 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:21,180 personally. So I know the value I'm getting out of it. But I 317 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:25,320 think that, you know, on mass, that's why people continue to 318 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,900 support it and continue to move everything forward. 319 00:20:28,349 --> 00:20:32,429 That's an interesting way to describe it, that you feel like 320 00:20:32,429 --> 00:20:36,959 with Apple's API, because it grew up out of this sort of 321 00:20:36,959 --> 00:20:41,669 weird nobody ever said you could use it, but you use it thing. 322 00:20:42,089 --> 00:20:46,439 It's like, when you go and jump over somebody's fence in the 323 00:20:46,439 --> 00:20:48,659 neighborhood and swim in their pool at night, when they when 324 00:20:48,659 --> 00:20:53,099 there's when that venue and you just hope they don't wake up and 325 00:20:53,099 --> 00:20:57,359 find all right. Yeah. Yeah. Like this is like, no, no, everybody 326 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,969 come in, get a drink and get a pineapple drink with an 327 00:20:59,969 --> 00:21:00,509 umbrella. 328 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:02,160 Grab a towel. 329 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,680 Grab a towel, do the big beach beach ones getting in just have 330 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,190 fun. Yes, 331 00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:11,670 cannonballs, belly flops are encouraged. Yes, 332 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:13,740 you have always loved developers, there's something 333 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:18,750 about you, you've always loved working with coders, 334 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,660 because I know how hard it is to break through to where you're 335 00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:27,870 actually a developer, I've never achieved it. And I can see the 336 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:32,160 ceiling and I just recognize where my limits on what I can 337 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,660 do. And I've always felt like I'm, I'm probably best suited, 338 00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:42,480 translating between different worlds. No, I think that's what 339 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,530 daily source code, I was kind of telling the world what we were 340 00:21:46,530 --> 00:21:51,120 doing. At the same time talking about what to develop without 341 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:55,200 really being a coder or anything or a software engineer. I 342 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,750 understand the concepts, you know, you can walk me through 343 00:21:57,750 --> 00:22:02,820 something, I'll get it. Something was gonna say about 344 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:03,270 that? 345 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:07,050 Yeah, well, me You've always you've always been able to, you 346 00:22:07,050 --> 00:22:09,420 may not, you may not read the code, but you understand what's 347 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:12,780 trying to be done. And that makes it that makes it easy the 348 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,960 translation layer, like that's what makes people if you're 349 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,560 talking about value. I mean, I don't know about, you know, 350 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,110 necessarily off the cuff, how to translate that into what we're 351 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:26,520 doing. But from, at least in the business world, and I think this 352 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:32,070 applies to many other worlds as well. The having somebody who's 353 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:36,660 able to do the translation is that is alone is very valuable, 354 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:41,490 because you need, like you see the people within it, or within 355 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:46,260 the just the world of technology in general, who in the business 356 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:51,000 world who are able to interface between management, and writers 357 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:54,540 or management and developers, because there really is it's 358 00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:57,360 like two different worlds, you need a liaison or somebody to 359 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,430 help plug those two things in. And it's not easy. So like, I've 360 00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:04,500 really realized that this is an interesting discussion, because 361 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,330 I realized the other day, that those are the podcasts and the 362 00:23:09,330 --> 00:23:14,610 things that I enjoy the most, or the or the podcasts that I feel 363 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:18,780 like are the most valuable, or when I'm being explained things 364 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,320 when I'm listening to somebody who has that interface property 365 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,730 about them. Yeah, now that I mean, like, I'm so apt to give 366 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:30,600 money to give money and to support those docile types of 367 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,530 people because they're rare. 368 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,450 So I remembered what I was going to say that with my infinite 369 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:41,010 translation skills, I really messed one up good. And it's 370 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:44,940 really only become apparent to me now. Maybe because I'm 371 00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:49,800 involved with so many other apps individually. Now, it just does 372 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,830 so many apps. You know, I'm using almost every single app 373 00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:55,680 and I tried to keep tabs on what everybody's doing and their 374 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:02,850 stuff is escaping me just going quite fast. But the middle when 375 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:11,550 I recently had a cock up with an upload I might as well take 376 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:13,110 a minute thing that Yeah. 377 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,740 Yeah, it's so painful. 378 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:20,400 What? What happened? Tell me about this eight minute thing. 379 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:20,730 Okay. 380 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,120 And the remind me to come back to why I was telling this story. 381 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:26,940 Oh, no, no, no, I don't want to break your flow. Go. No, no, no, 382 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:27,330 no, I'm 383 00:24:27,329 --> 00:24:30,539 gonna do it. Alright, it's worth it because people don't people. 384 00:24:31,499 --> 00:24:35,279 People don't understand how this works. So actually, I can tell 385 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,589 the story after I tell you the problem. So here's where I 386 00:24:37,589 --> 00:24:44,669 messed up. The majority of podcast users who listen to 387 00:24:44,669 --> 00:24:49,559 podcast in their mind and their mental map their mental image of 388 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:54,359 how this works. After I'm done with the show, I upload it to 389 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,409 Apple. I upload it to Spotify. I upload it to Google, I upload it 390 00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:02,369 to Amazon, I upload it to Julio Castro, I upload it to overcast, 391 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,739 I upload it to all these different what they call 392 00:25:04,739 --> 00:25:13,139 platforms. And and so they will I mean, the language is all over 393 00:25:13,139 --> 00:25:16,559 my Twitter feed is all over my email. Hey man, did you forget 394 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:20,399 to upload the overcast or I can't believe the upload worked 395 00:25:20,399 --> 00:25:24,479 on Apple, but it just fill in the blank. Really interesting. 396 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:28,169 So here's what I did wrong just to give you because people, 397 00:25:29,069 --> 00:25:32,399 people don't understand the mechanism, they really don't I 398 00:25:32,399 --> 00:25:34,349 don't know if we have to explain it to them. But here's the 399 00:25:34,349 --> 00:25:38,519 problem that I had. And a lot of this has to do with the caching 400 00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:44,069 on our server. So for some reason, my upload of the mp3 401 00:25:44,069 --> 00:25:47,399 file of no agenda broke, and I didn't realize it, and I thought 402 00:25:47,399 --> 00:25:56,429 I had just completed. So I spin up sovereign feeds, I do a Save 403 00:25:56,429 --> 00:26:03,689 and then export file a public show. And then I upload that to 404 00:26:03,689 --> 00:26:11,849 the server. And then I, I catch my my error. Before I've you 405 00:26:11,849 --> 00:26:14,609 know, quote, unquote, pinged anything but you know, now we 406 00:26:14,609 --> 00:26:19,949 know how this goes with caching, like, Oh, crap. So I, I removed 407 00:26:19,949 --> 00:26:26,009 the RSS file, and then I, and then I re uploaded the mp3 file. 408 00:26:26,009 --> 00:26:31,079 Got that. All right, and republish the RSS, but for some 409 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:35,339 reason, it had cached that the show was only eight minutes long 410 00:26:35,369 --> 00:26:38,639 in the in his head, you know, like the length of the file 411 00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:42,239 length. Yeah, yeah. So even though during the duration 412 00:26:42,239 --> 00:26:45,419 duration, right, and so and I later corrected that, but by 413 00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:49,169 that time, you know, the amount of caching going on an apps and 414 00:26:49,169 --> 00:26:53,639 you know, being able to time, the cache Buster on on my on our 415 00:26:53,639 --> 00:26:58,589 CDN, to, to a pod ping, it was just it was a clusterfuck it was 416 00:26:59,609 --> 00:27:02,879 Phoebe. She doesn't like it when I swear I'm sorry. 417 00:27:02,909 --> 00:27:05,579 No, no, yeah. Put your money in the swear jar. swear jar. 418 00:27:05,639 --> 00:27:14,159 I'm here. Yep. So anyway, it just I'm just saying that as a 419 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:18,059 point of reference that, that in the communication of how 420 00:27:18,059 --> 00:27:21,419 podcasting works. That's generally how people feel about 421 00:27:21,419 --> 00:27:24,599 it. And that's the mental image they have. And I'm not saying 422 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:28,019 that's bad. But it's something you need to need to bear in 423 00:27:28,019 --> 00:27:30,269 which is okay, yeah, she didn't like me swearing. No, she's 424 00:27:30,269 --> 00:27:30,689 okay. 425 00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:34,830 Yes, I'd love the swear jar. 426 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:38,580 Thank you. Thank you, darling. She's not 427 00:27:41,339 --> 00:27:42,809 Oh, it's Phoebe being escorted out. 428 00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:46,860 Yes. Yes. He removed Yeah, she is. From the she just been led 429 00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:48,330 into which is interesting. 430 00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:51,870 No, man, that's, that's shameful. Just getting the walk 431 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:58,320 of shame. I mean, well, you know, this is okay. Wait, wait. 432 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,810 But um, before I change gears that you need to you gotta go 433 00:28:00,810 --> 00:28:02,130 back to your other story right. 434 00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:05,850 Now. That was the story about the Okay, sorry about the 435 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:06,360 upload. 436 00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:12,090 Okay. The, you know, I've learned something as well. So we 437 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:15,630 need to talk about podcast namespace stuff. That's, that's 438 00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:18,510 important. We got to do get to do that. It's on my list as we 439 00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:21,780 talk about faith, because you got face to face six, but I want 440 00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:25,680 to I want to do a precursor precursory. Is that a word 441 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,460 precursor? It 442 00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:27,930 is now? Okay. 443 00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:33,180 precursory. Man, I invented a word and rehearsal day on the 444 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:33,870 same day 445 00:28:34,589 --> 00:28:40,079 precursor. You can have a precursor. So I guess you can do 446 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:41,309 something. precursory. 447 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,990 It's, this is precursor Oriole. Nice. I'm making it better. The 448 00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:54,060 net. So this is about naming things. So 449 00:28:55,050 --> 00:29:00,330 I know you're long enough. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for the floor is 450 00:29:00,330 --> 00:29:01,020 yours, sir. 451 00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:08,010 Okay. I learned something about this. And it was not something I 452 00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:12,210 was looking for. But it's one of those things that I was thankful 453 00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:17,280 for. Oh, and you know, you know, well, my stance about the names 454 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,870 of things. My standard answer is I don't care what we name it. 455 00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:25,710 That's all that's always been the thing I've done. We 456 00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:28,410 it's kind of like, I don't care what color it is. As long as 457 00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:29,190 it's an m&m. 458 00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:34,470 Yes, yes, exactly. As long as it's tasty and melts in your 459 00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:36,930 mouth, not in your hand. I don't care what we call it. Good to 460 00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:42,810 go. Good to go. So, I was talking about this with Melissa. 461 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,250 Because we had a new wind that we've been discussing this 462 00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:56,310 proposal for the TX T tag, or the text tag. And Daniel popped 463 00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:59,070 into the thread and said, I don't think we should name it 464 00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:01,950 this I think we should name it some The nails, which he is apt 465 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:06,030 to do is one it's one thing that he does is he talks about the 466 00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:10,890 names of things. And so we went, we went back and forth and back 467 00:30:10,890 --> 00:30:14,010 and forth. And at one point I got frustrated because you 468 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:17,490 buckled. No, I did not bow I did not buckle. I did not but you 469 00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:22,470 named it too meta. I'd well I did name it to meta, and then, 470 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:29,730 okay, well, maybe I buckled okay, I named it the meta. And 471 00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:36,660 then that was universally hated, it seems. And then, so I said, 472 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:41,250 You know what? Via you know, Ted, Ted Hoffman from Apple 473 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:47,040 brought this tag to the to the land of the living. He can name 474 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,840 it. Because it's his baby. He gets the name this thing. That 475 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,490 was my solution to the naming issue is to divert it to is to 476 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,210 make a direct eye. Yeah, no, it was good. I followed this. He 477 00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:03,900 had an argument which I found compelling. Can I introduce so 478 00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:07,770 the argument that I saw was, well, this is a familiar field 479 00:31:07,770 --> 00:31:11,850 for DNS records. And that's how it felt to me. I'm like, I've 480 00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:15,030 done so many authentication things. I've done lots of DNS. 481 00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:16,590 Oh, that makes sense to me. 482 00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:20,730 That's it. Yeah, that yep, that's exactly right. And that's 483 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:25,380 so there's, I can give you the arguments for why the name of 484 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:30,750 anything doesn't matter. So the name of it, this goes back to, 485 00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:33,660 you know, rules for standard makers, the names don't matter. 486 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:37,530 Because we're developers, and we can learn to use anything. 487 00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:42,390 Developers, these tags will never be seen by him by actual 488 00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:46,080 human beings, they will only be seen by meat eating dungeon 489 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800 dwellers, who are creating software, 490 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:52,200 which is exactly what Apple said, when they created the 491 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,460 iTunes namespace. 492 00:31:54,450 --> 00:32:02,730 Yes, the. So the perfect example of this is Apple's use of this 493 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:07,860 new property in their AV kit library. It's called something 494 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:14,850 like a V URL HTTP asset user agent key. Okay, now, nobody, no 495 00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:17,940 human being can actually remember the name of this thing. 496 00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:22,800 But you don't have to. Because it autocompletes in your ID. 497 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:27,030 You can do Command F Ctrl. Yes. 498 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:29,880 And then you hover your mouse over the name of this thing, and 499 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,010 it pops up documentation that says, here's what this thing 500 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:36,060 does. And by the time he in no human being will ever see this 501 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:36,420 thing. 502 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:38,490 Wait, what Id do you use? 503 00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:47,700 I use PHP storm Docker. Thank you. Yes. And so the, the idea 504 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,300 here is that no, but no, by the time that humans aren't 505 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:55,500 interacting with the TX T tag, they're interacting with their 506 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,650 hosting company, right. And their hosting company is 507 00:32:58,650 --> 00:33:02,040 translating the things that they see on the screen into in the 508 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,900 background, what becomes a TXT tag. So the names of these 509 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,120 things don't matter. We could literally call it Ice Cream 510 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,780 Sandwich. That can be the name of the tag. And as long as we 511 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:14,190 all know what it does, and that 512 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:16,530 a version of Android Ice Cream. 513 00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:22,020 We could call it Bitcoin goat feed. And that would be that 514 00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:27,660 would be absolutely fine. Okay, that's the that's the that's the 515 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:31,830 argument here. But here, here's what, but here's what I 516 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:35,670 discovered though. So I'm telling my wife about this. And 517 00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:41,610 I'm like, Okay. Was there there's as I told him, like, you 518 00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:44,490 know, all this bickering about naming things. It's just, you 519 00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:48,180 know, get on my nerves. It's annoying. I'm, I'm distracted. I 520 00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:53,220 hate I hate this. And she said in her simple question to me 521 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:56,850 was, well, if you don't care about what's nice about what the 522 00:33:56,850 --> 00:33:58,890 name of it is, well, then why do you care so much. 523 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,460 harsh, harsh reality of a heritage woman? 524 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,990 Is that look, I hear this tomato now. It's 525 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:10,200 good now heritage woman. You want one of those? Okay. Oh, 526 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,870 God. Well, I got one. Yeah. And I know you do. 527 00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:19,770 I know. You got one. And my response was, No. You got me. 528 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:20,490 You got me 529 00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:25,890 Nailed it. Nailed it. I'm glad it's t x t though. Okay, so I 530 00:34:25,890 --> 00:34:28,620 said, I don't care. I don't care what your wife says. 531 00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:35,910 She's not my wife. Right. So I said, Well, you know, that's a 532 00:34:35,910 --> 00:34:40,860 good point. Actually. Maybe I do care. And I've been in I have 533 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:43,740 and I've been deluding myself. 534 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:45,990 Ah, the monkey comes out of the sleeve. 535 00:34:47,609 --> 00:34:48,989 Is that is that a saying of 536 00:34:49,019 --> 00:34:52,439 Confucius as the saying of the Dutch the OPCOM that the Mao 537 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:56,190 okay, I thought this was like, Man was Holand pocket feel 538 00:34:56,190 --> 00:35:03,720 cookie all day close. That was Um, so I said, I was like, okay, 539 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,410 you know, I'm busted here. I've been in you to use your 540 00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:11,070 parlance. I've been de Kloet. Yeah, yes, yeah, maybe I'd maybe 541 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:15,300 actually do care. So I had to I had to spend. It's been a good 542 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:15,990 day and a half. 543 00:35:17,279 --> 00:35:20,309 Yeah, that's, uh, that will mess with your mind, man. 544 00:35:20,879 --> 00:35:25,829 Yeah. So that, you know, thought, well, I finally came to 545 00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:30,359 this conclusion. I was like, You know what, I think I do care. 546 00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:40,979 But the reason I care is that I want people to have ownership 547 00:35:41,549 --> 00:35:46,739 over the things that they create, to some degree. It's 548 00:35:46,739 --> 00:35:49,169 sort of like giving credit where credit's due. 549 00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:53,370 Okay. That's, that's a very reasonable argument. I mean, he 550 00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:57,270 already had me back at hay. He birthed this to life. So he had 551 00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:58,080 to get to name it. 552 00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:03,840 Well, you know, so I brought up and I will get into some of 553 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,910 these tags in a second. But I developed another type proposal 554 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:15,720 this past week called podcast, colon state. And Daniel said, 555 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:17,730 Well, I don't think we should call it stay. We should call it 556 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:18,270 something else. 557 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:24,210 But you birth it tag. You're it? Yeah. And, and by the way, 558 00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:27,720 without even looking, I know what it means. What do you think 559 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:33,090 it means? Is it is it a free test account? Or is it a paid 560 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:34,860 subscriber? Basically, 561 00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:40,500 yes, that's exactly what it is. Yep. Yep. That and this, yes, 562 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:44,070 that's exactly what it is. And, you know, in my response to 563 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:47,670 Daniel, when, when this was mine, this was my tag proposal. 564 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:58,110 And my response was, you know, you can I give you carte blanche 565 00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:02,340 to name this tag, whatever you would like, Daniel. I mean, you. 566 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:04,770 I'm giving you this. So you name 567 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:12,540 a gentleman. Very nice. Yes. Yeah. Okay, now, I mean, all 568 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,370 right. What am I Swiss cheese? 569 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:21,060 No, no, you're the interface. So as a unit, okay, 570 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,340 so what so what is that? So what is it now? 571 00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:24,510 I don't know yet. He's not. 572 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,930 Oh, okay. Oh, I'm excited. This is this is very interesting. If 573 00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:30,840 the gun with our little family here, Dave. And blow 574 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,250 by blow. We wreak rave. This is long form, recruit recounting 575 00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:37,890 what happened in GitHub issues. So this is something that 576 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,520 riveting 577 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:43,170 Okay, now, just as a podcaster back to that, that was really 578 00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:45,390 beautiful. Man. You were really honest there. I mean, not the 579 00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:50,160 non honest but you were you went above and beyond and then you, 580 00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:54,810 you actually gave away something that you cherish so much forsake 581 00:37:54,810 --> 00:38:00,570 of of all, good and harmony, and Daniel's quaking in his boost, 582 00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:03,300 like, Oh, crap, and I gotta come up with a killer name that 583 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,250 everybody goes, Oh, yeah, totally. 584 00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:08,880 Yeah, this name has to slay, to be amazing. 585 00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:10,980 No pressure, no pressure at all. 586 00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:15,420 That was like, you know, I was like, you know, what? I'm gonna 587 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:20,070 give I'm gonna give this name away and and such. In the 588 00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:25,290 future. I think that that should be the standard is that the 589 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:30,870 person who creates the who brings the proposal, they get 590 00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:33,540 the ultimate say, on what is named. And that doesn't mean 591 00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:35,490 that you people can't suggest do suggestions 592 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,660 or caveats. Okay, I'd like to caveat. So people, so you 593 00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:42,540 basically gave it away, but ultimately, you're the boss. 594 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:44,400 No, no, that's not what I say. 595 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,660 I misunderstood. I don't mind if 596 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,690 people are like, hey, maybe a suggestion, we should name it so 597 00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:54,540 and so. But when the guy that created it, or the girl that 598 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:58,770 created it says no, I want it to be this case closed, everybody, 599 00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:01,380 everybody just shut up, you know, and stop and let's move on 600 00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:03,750 to bigger and better things. Right. And so I think that 601 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:09,420 moving forward, the proposer is the Neymar unless they give that 602 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:12,510 right away to someone else, right? Yes. Now, is 603 00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:16,380 this in our Constitution? Or is this in our commandments? Death 604 00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:20,820 lately? We don't have any of that I'm gonna forget that this 605 00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:22,170 even happened like a week from now. 606 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:27,240 I'll remind you this is what I mean. We all work should be like 607 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,780 this. All projects should be like this. 608 00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:34,050 But Englewood, incredibly disorganized and crazy fun. 609 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:37,800 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I like running stuff like that. It's 610 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,220 not for 611 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:43,440 everybody right. Blueberry added putting everything Oh, dynamite 612 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,410 everything. Yeah, across the border. Yeah, Todd man. 613 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,760 It was so cool to listen to new media show. So you see he's all 614 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,980 he starts off and he's jacked and he's talking about his 615 00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:56,370 booster grams and, and he's like, Adam, send me your address 616 00:39:56,370 --> 00:40:00,990 for your stickers, and I and I boost him with a The another 617 00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:03,930 Maxi boost with a stick with this with the address and like, 618 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:06,840 where's this going to WHO CARES is on lightning guide take it a 619 00:40:07,590 --> 00:40:14,130 boost that docks myself on the Lightning Network. And then and 620 00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:18,990 then he went into like an hour of stuff about advertising 621 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:28,170 numbers and IAB and you fell asleep. Ah, it was just like I 622 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:33,150 was so excited. I understand. I understand. Before we get into 623 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:35,400 namespace there was one other little piece of news I wanted to 624 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,570 throw out there. I can't remember who was on podcast 625 00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:44,820 index dot social said he's doing a value for value plugin for 626 00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:49,080 peer tube that oh really connecting to Aldi. Yeah. 627 00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:55,200 Oh, okay. So this is going to be something for peer tube proper. 628 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,990 Not not just in a tube, 629 00:40:58,350 --> 00:41:00,780 I guess. Yeah, I guess that's what he posted. 630 00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:06,570 Oh, that that's an that's an SSS needed and that's really great. 631 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360 Yeah, I didn't I didn't see this. So who was it the posted I 632 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,050 must have missed it. 633 00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:15,060 I can find it cuz I was talking to moe. We've been working on 634 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:21,750 some stuff. All good. He's like, man, every YouTube there already 635 00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:24,240 that just look at everyone's starting to figure it out, you 636 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,290 know, the, he gets screwed shadowbanned de platformed et 637 00:41:28,290 --> 00:41:33,300 cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you know, it just needs to 638 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:39,750 be we need to tie a few things together just a few things to 639 00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:42,810 people and they will come and they will start using it and 640 00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:46,380 let's start using apps that support it. But that's the I 641 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:49,920 think the main thing is what I'm worried about is they come and 642 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,610 we don't have the actual peer to parts set up everyone's just you 643 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:56,190 know sucking off a one or two pipes I mean, that's not going 644 00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:57,180 to work that's too 645 00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:00,000 much is way too much that's that'll crack that'll just bring 646 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,450 the whole thing down video so heavy 647 00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:07,710 but the the whole idea of the chat of the booster grams of the 648 00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:11,370 live we have it all we're doing right now you're soaking in it 649 00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:17,280 maj we just don't have the video component and it's not 650 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,620 necessarily simple to set up. But if it gets a little bit more 651 00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:25,620 if the process becomes a little tighter everyone knows how to do 652 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:29,310 rmtp streams and they do that from stream yard and all this 653 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:36,090 stuff. But it's just these the last few things. Since it's here 654 00:42:36,090 --> 00:42:38,160 it is her head. 655 00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:42,150 Okay, okay, I'm in her head and you know 656 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,620 I'm working on. I'm working on a peer to plugin. To allow the for 657 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:49,440 V with video and audio, all the creator needs to do is put a 658 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,380 lightning address like her head@gmail.com and the 659 00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:57,480 description or support blocks of the channels or support support 660 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,810 blocks of the channel slash account. Then viewers from an 661 00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:05,400 instance that has the plugin will be able to send SATs. Okay, 662 00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:08,340 currently, the test site is working with the Alby plugin to 663 00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:11,250 send booster grams, if any peer to creators add the address to 664 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:14,700 that account, let me know so I can send some test sets. So 665 00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:16,590 that's not quite the same. 666 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:21,240 So it's not a back end module. It's a it's a browser side. 667 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,160 Seems like is that what I'm hearing? Okay. I mean, not 668 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,240 ideal. No, 669 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:32,190 no, no, no. And I was like, Alex is busy. 670 00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:35,940 Now he's a busy man. He just started a new gig. So he's very 671 00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:36,630 busy. And he also 672 00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:37,800 doesn't want to get screwed. 673 00:43:39,330 --> 00:43:41,010 Yeah, I don't blame him. I don't like that. He's 674 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,190 no meanie that says like, I'm very, very protective of it. 675 00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:48,090 Like, yeah, me keep sending me shoot videos. Is she? 676 00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:55,680 Oh, do you wanna? You want to do some talking about the sovereign 677 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,020 nation? We got to do names. You want to talk about the event 678 00:43:58,020 --> 00:44:00,990 then? In a way? Yeah. Events. Let's talk about the events. 679 00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:04,980 Okay. Proposal. Yes. Who was proposals this? This is 680 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:13,050 John Spurlock. He proposed podcast. CO lon, like James 681 00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:21,630 would say podcast colon events. And this is basically it defines 682 00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:30,330 a web hook for a URL and API URL of some sort. That is going that 683 00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:35,940 the host host or publisher of a podcast has set up in order to 684 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:42,540 receive event messages from other parties that are about 685 00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:49,380 this show or this podcast feed. So things like his only example 686 00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:55,200 so far. Is the Listen, cousin kind. These are the kinds of 687 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,500 events you can have. So it's a Listen, 688 00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:01,530 let me just interrupt you because I read through this. So 689 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,250 you didn't, okay. Yeah, doesn't mean I understand this. So the 690 00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:09,420 idea is this is being sent from the player from the app back to 691 00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:11,010 the feed owner. 692 00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:19,260 In the, in the case of the Listen kind of event, that would 693 00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:24,780 be the case. But it doesn't mean that it necessarily has to come 694 00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:28,620 from the player because I think, I think in his mind, he's 695 00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:31,650 thinking that it would probably come from a proxy server that is 696 00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:36,960 serving the player and not the player itself. And that's the 697 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,810 way I read the documentation. Okay. Because, because it needs 698 00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:45,720 a JW T signed by a private key, 699 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,120 I have a couple here hold on a second. 700 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,540 Best Phoebe take them out of the room. 701 00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:53,310 She was munching on 702 00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:59,760 the private key can't really it can't be device side, it can't 703 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,850 be browser side or any of that. So it really is really has to be 704 00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:08,190 on a server level. To talk about it for it to just read what he 705 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:11,340 said. He said, allows podcast feed allow podcast feed 706 00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:15,000 publishers to define one or more server endpoints to receive 707 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,610 incoming events from other trusted third parties regarding 708 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:20,250 the show, represented by the feed in question, guys, 709 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:25,140 this is also gonna be rating, it could be reviews, just call the 710 00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:25,890 simple shit. 711 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:34,440 Yeah. And so like, my first it's a nice proposal. I mean, it, it 712 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,270 makes a lot of sense, it seems to be. I mean, it's well put 713 00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:43,980 together as most of you know, all of his stuff is. Mike 714 00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:47,700 has blessed graphs, he has nice graphs and stuff and example, 715 00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:48,960 pictures, pictures, 716 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,130 and the JW T is the right way to go in this circumstance. So 717 00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:57,180 this will come from a service basically that you then this 718 00:46:57,180 --> 00:47:00,420 service, whatever it is, that's the trusted party, and you are a 719 00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:02,430 user of that service in some fashion. 720 00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:05,820 I think so. And then you would have like, for instance, 721 00:47:07,530 --> 00:47:11,760 overcast? Or I'm trying to think of other apps that have servers, 722 00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:15,720 server backends, pod verse, things like that would have 723 00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:20,520 their server would know what see the listening data, and then 724 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,830 just communicate this back to the hosting companies in point 725 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,640 ah, um, in, in batch in batches or something. Right. So 726 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,120 it could be a whole host of issues, which Oh, this is very, 727 00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:38,880 okay, hold on a second lightbulb moment. Okay. This sounds a lot 728 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,520 like the beginning of I will share my data with you. And I'm 729 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,970 going to determine exactly what I want to share and with who, 730 00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:51,780 based on maybe even keys or I don't know if the trusted party 731 00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:56,280 is trustworthy enough. But and this is kind of the first 732 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,730 permission driven loop that the user controls. 733 00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:07,710 I think that's, I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, 734 00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:11,520 knowing knowing, knowing knowing J S, that's what it feels like. 735 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:13,440 Because he's good man. 736 00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:17,010 I think that makes a lot of I think that's a good way to way 737 00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:23,250 to say it. And I can see, here's my here's a couple of his 738 00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:25,950 initial feedback. And this was what I was afraid of his This is 739 00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:28,920 not my concerns, and these are not, this is not my feedback. 740 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,320 But these are the feedback that there's the feedback I saw 741 00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:35,850 straight out of the gate is this has been tried before with NPR 742 00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:38,460 and red and the red specification, and it didn't go 743 00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:43,950 anywhere. And you know, we need to be careful with that. That's 744 00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:49,050 fair. That is very that is a fair criticism. And except I 745 00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:55,080 think strategically, this I can see what he's trying to do here. 746 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,960 Events, and events style web receiver. Makes a lot of sense. 747 00:49:01,380 --> 00:49:04,260 But I really think in order there's the there's the squishy 748 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:05,100 part of 749 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,990 what you just said something like write down event events and 750 00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:15,150 dial web receiver is what I heard. Is that what you said? 751 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:18,330 Yes, that is sexy. What is it? 752 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,510 It's this thing, it's podcast colon events. It's I have a 753 00:49:24,510 --> 00:49:25,380 webstyle 754 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:31,680 event style web receiver. Every kid will want one by Christmas I 755 00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:32,430 promise you 756 00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:40,920 that in a that in a human you there's the squishy part of 757 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,200 trying to sell this and I used to assess a sale and air quotes 758 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:53,700 in I think out of the gate hitch. I don't think this should 759 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:59,430 be the I don't think the example use case of this should be a to 760 00:49:59,610 --> 00:50:00,990 report It listens. 761 00:50:01,530 --> 00:50:05,970 No. How about this? How about I report my email address to this 762 00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:09,660 podcast, I decide, hey, I want my email address to go to them. 763 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:12,870 It comes authenticated. They know it's me, they know I'm an 764 00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:17,670 actual listener. And then they can put me on a mailing list or 765 00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:21,000 do something with that, you know, the number of things I 766 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,930 would want to give to them in some automated fashion. I see a 767 00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:29,880 lot of use cases for that. And I think this just device is 768 00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:32,040 sociis. A cluster for trout, you know what I mean? 769 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,530 Does that mean and that's the first thing that came to my 770 00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:34,980 mind, the 771 00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:37,500 keeper is as you trust his guests, 772 00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:42,810 and their hours thinking there's something about goats that I had 773 00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:44,520 to bid on that was right there with you has fallen. 774 00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:50,250 The innkeeper is as he treats his guests. So everyone's going 775 00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:55,440 to, you know, this is for tracking this, but let's not use 776 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,010 that use case. Let's use and one of the many. I'm sure there's 777 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,290 there's many other fun ones we can come up with. 778 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:04,230 Is that sort of like what's good for the goose is good for the 779 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:06,270 gander. Is that a similar type? 780 00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:09,480 It's not quite as mean. Okay. 781 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:15,000 Okay. Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking that let's listens is going to 782 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:23,070 bring up bad juju across the board for many reasons. And in I 783 00:51:23,070 --> 00:51:32,130 think that this thing that I think of pod ping, but with you 784 00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:37,410 have to establish this as a valid thing that has lots of 785 00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:44,880 beautiful use cases and what would be a good word, use cases. 786 00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:46,170 And can I give 787 00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:50,310 an example before I forget, give me hit it. This will be an 788 00:51:50,310 --> 00:51:53,850 example we just just one example. Because you are 789 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,060 completely agree with you, I completely agree with the 790 00:51:57,060 --> 00:52:03,660 commenter's nonstarter tracking problem at that all kinds of 791 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:09,750 issues. But if we make it fun story just came to mind which I 792 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:12,570 can't tell you privately, remind me to tell you the story of the 793 00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:21,780 cream. So if we, if we make it fun. How about this? I have a 794 00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:29,820 page. Maybe it's a chat. And on that is a it's like a little 795 00:52:29,850 --> 00:52:34,620 little board little LED of people who are listening at that 796 00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:39,090 very moment, and lights up. Just so you can see that. What other 797 00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:41,220 people are listening could be a handle doesn't have to be your 798 00:52:41,220 --> 00:52:45,240 real name or email address. Just something fun, so that people on 799 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,610 the other end can say, oh, cool, man. Look at all these people. 800 00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,190 Maybe it goes right back to the app. Who else is listening right 801 00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:56,550 now? That that's an example that I think people would think. Oh 802 00:52:56,550 --> 00:52:58,410 my God, Jesus. 803 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,830 That is actually really cool. That is very cool. Yeah, cuz you 804 00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:09,330 get that gives you the sort of live feeling without having 805 00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:14,490 without without it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that a lot. And we'll 806 00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:16,740 call it we'll call it ping. 807 00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:23,580 Is that such a good track record? What a great. You're so 808 00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:24,480 good at branding. 809 00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:29,340 Isn't it? Isn't that? I mean, it's kind of the kind of does 810 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:33,300 everything right? It adds an incredibly cool feature shows 811 00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:36,510 that we can think out of the box because that's, you know, that's 812 00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:41,070 what, what is the that's what shaming everybody to shame isn't 813 00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:44,640 all the cool stuff we have. You know, there are developers in 814 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,850 this world right now probably listening going. Oh, man, I wish 815 00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:52,680 I I wish I could work on that. Yeah, instead, you know, it's 816 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:58,860 like, Oh, got it. Got to improve the signup page. Got to work on 817 00:53:58,860 --> 00:53:59,460 the flow. 818 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:00,780 That's fun. 819 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:04,230 And not knocking people have to work because we all have to do 820 00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:05,670 crap. Obviously. 821 00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:10,620 That's a beautiful idea that I love that that is a way that you 822 00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:16,290 can Yeah, that's perfect because you can you can sell the benefit 823 00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:20,160 of having this type of system without the without all the 824 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,700 baggage and all the crap that has gone you know, that 825 00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:26,550 everybody's like the you know, that starts arguments and 826 00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:26,910 everything. 827 00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:30,330 Well, it's already starting sir bemrose in the in the chat room 828 00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:33,450 says fascinating use case. I can't wait to spoof it. 829 00:54:34,349 --> 00:54:38,429 But yeah, thanks. Thanks. Thanks. bemrose. There's, 830 00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:44,189 there's always there's always one. The, you know, so there's 831 00:54:44,189 --> 00:54:48,539 others. We can think of lots of different lots of different 832 00:54:48,539 --> 00:54:53,789 events that could happen in in the use of a show like I could 833 00:54:53,789 --> 00:54:56,519 think I was thinking of error reporting on the lace. Tim, 834 00:54:56,579 --> 00:55:00,689 you're all you have like all the fun stuff you had And I'm like, 835 00:55:00,779 --> 00:55:01,139 Yeah, 836 00:55:01,620 --> 00:55:04,230 you're doing you're doing Oh, when someone's pissed off use 837 00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:07,890 this cool use. This is the pissed off namespace element 838 00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:12,000 that we've just created when you're angry at podcasting 2.0 839 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,250 Use this element in 840 00:55:14,970 --> 00:55:19,050 this. So like, if I doubt it, okay, so the eight minute thing. 841 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,210 The you your feed was reporting incorrect or 842 00:55:24,210 --> 00:55:27,210 a messaging bus? Yes. Yeah. Before? Yes. 843 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,979 So I can You can report back to the host, hey, this this, 844 00:55:32,009 --> 00:55:34,289 there's something screwed up with this feed the feed won't 845 00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:34,859 parse, 846 00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:37,410 that we'll have to restrict that so that it doesn't become a 847 00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:41,730 messaging bus for people to send messages. You know, it has to, 848 00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:46,140 it has to be kind of like, I mean, that's to be talked about 849 00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:49,860 this. Because before you know what the next thing is, and you 850 00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:53,880 got to pay in SATs, you know, let's keep it simple. Yeah. So 851 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,720 none of that and have that. So just maybe the idea of what pops 852 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,320 up is people also listening to this podcast at this moment. 853 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,260 So the the other thing that happened that happened in Reno 854 00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:15,090 related to this was, it was the antenna pod guys. And evidently 855 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,470 didn't know this was happening. But they had like an open API 856 00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:24,480 discussion for sharing data between apps, like data 857 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,910 portability between apps. In so in general, I think this is all 858 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,240 it's all related. Oh, really? Cool. Yeah, this is really 859 00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,270 promising really great, because this is exactly this is what 860 00:56:36,270 --> 00:56:40,110 we're talking about last week, we were talking about the need 861 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,750 that there there's a big need for an open standardized way to 862 00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:50,700 pass information back and forth between disparate parties within 863 00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:54,960 the podcast industrial complex, who there has to be like, ways 864 00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:02,970 to push it like, Okay, I've got some data here. I am pod verse. 865 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:07,980 And I know that a bunch of people are listening to this 866 00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:14,970 show. Did blueberry and I want to let blueberry know that 867 00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:20,910 that's the case. Yeah. For a lot of people, here's, here's a 868 00:57:20,910 --> 00:57:25,890 better one. Here's a better one. And this is another kind of 869 00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:33,960 event that can be done in this reporting followers. So the apps 870 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,780 know how many users are subscribed to a show, but the 871 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:40,680 hosts don't know that they only see downloads, they they may 872 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:45,660 want they may find it, find it very useful for to aggregate 873 00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:52,230 into except an event in point except subscriber reporting. Or 874 00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:54,750 things like we can we can think of probably we could probably 875 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:57,510 get to get, you know, sit here and think of 12 different it 876 00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:57,660 all. 877 00:57:57,990 --> 00:58:01,140 It all boils down to share your OPML you know that, don't you? 878 00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:06,330 It's always the same. Yeah, sure. It's always very open. 879 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:06,870 It's 880 00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:13,080 always defaults to that. Okay. Yeah. So J s just posted. Dave 881 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:19,410 and Adam are getting it colong. It's a general purpose channel 882 00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:23,640 for receiving unforeseeable events from client apps. 883 00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:29,910 Yes. So. So all of that being said, I think it's fantastic 884 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:32,010 proposal. My only 885 00:58:32,310 --> 00:58:34,140 you don't like to know. And then 886 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,340 it should be called ice cream. But the the one issue that I 887 00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:46,320 have, and it's not really an issue, it's just a question. We 888 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,730 already have a message bus and it's called pod pain. Why? Why 889 00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:56,370 do we need a separate bus? Is it it's an honest question, is this 890 00:58:56,370 --> 00:59:03,330 for privacy? Is it because of concern about overloading hive, 891 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,700 I mean, because we already J WTS can be attached JSON payloads 892 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:11,340 can be attached all this stuff. All of this could be done 893 00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:16,200 through pod ping. And so I just wonder, you know why we don't 894 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,020 just use piping and well, we need to build a separate thing. 895 00:59:19,020 --> 00:59:21,840 So that's, that is my only question. God, Dave 896 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,410 Jones. This is why I love you. You know how you know how to 897 00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:29,010 bring me out of your foria Within just a nanosecond and 898 00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:34,980 make me think, as an excellent question. I only want one thing. 899 00:59:35,970 --> 00:59:41,910 All right. Please, Brian of London. Please don't post 5000 900 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:46,620 words about why it's good. We got it. We understand. We love 901 00:59:46,620 --> 00:59:46,770 you. 902 00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:51,480 D do a peak D article. Yes. At point two input and point to it. 903 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:51,840 Yes. 904 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:59,070 That's a fascinating question. And crikey, 905 00:59:59,820 --> 01:00:03,600 it While Spurlock just posted a link to a reply that I will read 906 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,610 later, because that's boring content for a podcast. So I will 907 01:00:08,610 --> 01:00:11,370 read that later. He is probably got All right. 908 01:00:13,769 --> 01:00:17,579 Well, we can move on to the next item on the agenda. 909 01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:21,600 Oh, he says, Dave could create a bridge to pod thing in a 910 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,200 weekend. All right. Well, that is a very that is a fair enough. 911 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,160 All right, 912 01:00:26,190 --> 01:00:28,530 well, you could have just done that without posting the link 913 01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:29,430 you show off. 914 01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:37,170 But, so that's podcast events. That's that's one thing under 915 01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:47,610 proposal in the basics, the TX D tag that its first use case, is 916 01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:52,170 going to be as a verify mechanism. So the way that Apple 917 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,480 is all starts with Apple, even though lots of people could do 918 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,900 it and do some and some may do it, but we know for sure that 919 01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:07,230 Apple verifies feed ownership. They currently do this now. And 920 01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:09,900 they are definitely going to solidify this in the future 921 01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:12,540 because they're recommending the removal of email addresses from 922 01:01:12,540 --> 01:01:19,260 RSS feeds. what Apple does now is they say, Okay, if you want 923 01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:22,980 us to do something with your feed, like included in Apple 924 01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:27,030 podcasts, or verify ownership, you're going to have to go to 925 01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:29,970 your feed and stick a magic number in there somewhere 926 01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:33,150 in your show in your description field or something show Yeah, 927 01:01:33,150 --> 01:01:34,140 show notes show notes. 928 01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:37,320 Yeah, well, you know, that's, that's ugly. That's very nice. 929 01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:43,470 I was gonna say for apple that is really, like super low grade. 930 01:01:43,470 --> 01:01:47,160 And that that's, it's, it's off brand. I agree it is 931 01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:50,610 off brand, it is totally off brand for Apalis. Like even 932 01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:51,000 Google 933 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,290 is more eloquent than that. 934 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:57,120 Create this 40 character thing of gobbledygook and stick this 935 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,190 in your show notes somewhere, right? Got it. So they would 936 01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:07,410 very much benefit from having a general purpose tag that would 937 01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:13,140 hold just random freeform UTF eight. 938 01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:18,210 Oh, perfect and perfect. And and so then that will be their entry 939 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,980 into the namespace. And we would welcome them with In fact, I 940 01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:28,890 have been keeping this bottle of a Bollinger on ice. It's I got 941 01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:32,550 some years I got some caviar, I got some hookers. I got some 942 01:02:32,550 --> 01:02:35,520 primo Columbian, you know what I'm saying? Ted Hoffman 943 01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:41,910 just changed the ice three times a day, that 944 01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:45,030 wouldn't be celebrating for that. 945 01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:50,100 Fourth, so the node value is purely what it says on the box. 946 01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:56,580 It's D, it's just like a DNS TXT record. It has its 4000 947 01:02:56,580 --> 01:03:01,050 characters of free form UTF. Eight, can hold whatever it 948 01:03:01,050 --> 01:03:05,100 needs, whatever you want it to hold. There's no limits. And 949 01:03:06,090 --> 01:03:10,290 there's one attribute and the attribute is a 128 character, 950 01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:17,040 string. That is called purpose. And so that is, again, free 951 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:21,420 form. And the whole idea here is we're not there's no slug lists, 952 01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:28,620 there's no predefined. make decision parameters about what 953 01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:30,210 should be you know, it's easy. In 954 01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:33,720 fact, you could have someone say, well, we prefer for you to 955 01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:36,540 do that with your email address. You could put that in your txt 956 01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:39,210 field, straight up straight. 957 01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:45,990 DNS, grooviness had TXT record. And what we saw come out of that 958 01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:52,920 was crazy stuff like SPF records. Oh, yeah. And that 959 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:58,440 something that is something that nobody ever would have thought 960 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,760 was going to be a thing. I mean, you know, 30 years ago, when DNS 961 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,120 was was being born. Nobody thought about the SPF record, 962 01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:10,920 but because it had this general purpose tag, it's essentially in 963 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,770 it, you could do it this things could be created and 964 01:04:13,770 --> 01:04:16,590 30 years ago, I didn't have to explain to at least one person a 965 01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:18,900 week why No, it's your mail server. 966 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,720 Mr. Thanks. I keep getting bounced man. 967 01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:27,480 Yeah, you're misconfigured No, I'm not everyone can receive my 968 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,170 email. 969 01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:31,200 Except other servers that are properly configured. Yeah, 970 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:31,860 that's what I'm saying. 971 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,250 I make no exceptions. I'm sorry, ma'am. Yeah, no, you don't need 972 01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:35,430 to. 973 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:45,360 The so the TX T tag can serve this role as just a general 974 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,480 purpose catch all for people to experiment with and all this 975 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,200 kind of stuff. And in the DNS world, if you go and claim if 976 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,280 you go and say, if you sign up for something like office 365 977 01:04:57,030 --> 01:05:00,450 And you want to prove to Microsoft in the year The owner 978 01:05:00,450 --> 01:05:04,290 of this domain, they're going to require you to put a magic value 979 01:05:04,290 --> 01:05:05,760 into a TXT record 980 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,660 with Microsoft, put your credit card in there. That's 981 01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:15,870 the way to do it. And so that's the first use case of this thing 982 01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:18,780 is going to be as a Verification Mechanism and that will allow 983 01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:22,200 everybody to remove email addresses out of their feeds and 984 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:26,190 we can all move forward and we'll also have something that's 985 01:05:26,190 --> 01:05:29,400 multipurpose we can do use it for other things in the future 986 01:05:29,429 --> 01:05:33,359 and again, it's easy entrant for everybody to be a part of 987 01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:36,719 everyone hates decided this system and so here we go. Hold 988 01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:41,789 on Hold a beer. We'll fix it for you. Yeah, free of charge. Just 989 01:05:41,789 --> 01:05:43,829 value Yep, just 990 01:05:43,830 --> 01:05:51,060 in this boost. I don't know where we would what do we want 991 01:05:51,060 --> 01:05:52,890 to thank some people Yeah, he wrote 992 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,190 now let's thank some people and then we'll wrap up with some 993 01:05:56,190 --> 01:06:03,120 more namespace first the what's been coming in during our lit 994 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:09,480 the lit program here as we're live. Currently curio caster and 995 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,470 pod verse are lit compatible. And pod verse gives you a nice 996 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:16,740 little let me see did I get my notification today? Yes, I did. 997 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:25,500 Notification. We got. Oh, nice. We got 100,000 SATs from Linkin 998 01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:31,800 Park rule. Shot kala 20 is played on am fala Singh Hunter 999 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,390 grant gets a big baller. XMPP is dope. Another protocol that was 1000 01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:40,440 established a while ago that has yet to be fully utilized. JMP 1001 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,250 dot chat is a great example. Anyways, keep killing it guys 1002 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,410 sent via pod verse premium, 1003 01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:50,010 premium pro verse premium. I like how it says I like a 1004 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,050 premium in the app name. That's cool. No, he he wrote that in 1005 01:06:55,050 --> 01:06:58,320 the message. Yeah, you should do that. Mitch, you should put 1006 01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,250 premium I agree. 1007 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,250 Because that's aspirational. like crap, man. I wanted to say 1008 01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:06,180 that I'm proud. I want to look like a baller. Yeah. And there 1009 01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:10,800 is 10,000 SATs from Mitch. Thank you very much. Chad 333 1010 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,610 Blueberry row a duck's always, always, always, always bring a 1011 01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:21,330 towel he says. See Brooklyn 112 with 12345 Satoshis thanks for 1012 01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:30,750 the Chimera blob go podcasting go podcast egg let's see what 1013 01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:34,500 else we're doing. 1000 and over 10,000 from Eric P P. All he 1014 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:39,810 says is pew pew there's Dred Scott with a row ducks pew pew 1015 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:47,340 Chad F for the 3333 servo with the same one a one a one from 1016 01:07:47,370 --> 01:07:53,280 hard hat who just says the caboose boost blueberry with a 1017 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:59,940 super freedom boost 17,776 I come to chew bubblegum and boost 1018 01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:08,220 SATs and either Bubba Gump Chad F with 3333 He's spacing his his 1019 01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:11,010 boost really liked the lit image for the show. Yeah, it's only 1020 01:08:11,610 --> 01:08:14,820 new I didn't it somehow I posted the wrong part. It's like a 1021 01:08:14,820 --> 01:08:16,590 vector image or something but 1022 01:08:17,730 --> 01:08:19,830 you that did you change the image? Well, I 1023 01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:22,980 always do a new one we for lit as a new image every single time 1024 01:08:22,980 --> 01:08:25,320 now. It's just a lightning bolt. But there's supposed to be two 1025 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,680 V's and the lightning bolt that is a four. It's in the show 1026 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,690 notes. If someone can maybe someone can. 1027 01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:33,600 How big is it? Is the apple gonna pick it up? Are you 1028 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,440 keeping it under? 1029 01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:39,120 No, no, I don't. I don't sync it to the channel. Yeah, okay. I've 1030 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:44,160 learned my lessons. And then Ted has to track me down. It's like, 1031 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,950 bro, it's not gonna update Ed. 1032 01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:51,420 He might get that ugly. We still got that ugly ass art in the in 1033 01:08:51,420 --> 01:08:55,260 the Apple though. In the apple podcast directory. 1034 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,980 I don't know. I mean, I don't know why that is. That makes 1035 01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:01,470 sense. The one with the scissors. Really? Don't tell 1036 01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:03,750 them. Oh, no, but that's because it's an illegal upload. 1037 01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:10,409 Yeah, no, but but it's just there. It's bad. Branding. 1038 01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:15,270 Now this would be an outstanding moment to send an event message. 1039 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:23,280 It would be this image is wrong as this image is wrong. 54,321 1040 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:32,490 from Dred Scott pre show boost go podcasting podcast. 21,017 1041 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:39,210 Dobie Das, who just says a boost. Boost. Let me think. And 1042 01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:43,890 that's it. That's those were our pre and lit boosters. And thank 1043 01:09:43,890 --> 01:09:47,700 you all very much. You get it. You get the value and you're 1044 01:09:47,730 --> 01:09:50,160 throwing it right back in our face and we really appreciate 1045 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:50,310 it. 1046 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:57,270 We have zero take house. We like one time pay bills this week. 1047 01:09:58,260 --> 01:10:03,450 Thanks, everybody. Yeah, we've we've transitioned fully to the 1048 01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:05,310 Satoshis good news. All right. 1049 01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:10,860 We have mere mortals podcast or buddy Catherine says 2222 And he 1050 01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:13,980 says, Dave, the data horror has a nice ring to it. 1051 01:10:17,699 --> 01:10:19,529 You're sick man Kira in 1052 01:10:19,530 --> 01:10:22,830 my high school yearbook. That's what I said under my name data 1053 01:10:22,830 --> 01:10:27,750 or. Oh, Justin Trudeau. Did you know he listened to the show? 1054 01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:32,010 Yeah. He also maintains a channel to my Umbral note. I 1055 01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:32,880 love Justin. 1056 01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:38,939 Yeah, just a great one. Row sticks. 1111. He says go 1057 01:10:38,939 --> 01:10:46,649 podcasting. Do you know Justin Trudeau uses breeze because he 1058 01:10:46,649 --> 01:10:50,669 wants to maintain beautiful Amande. anonymity? Yes. And 1059 01:10:50,669 --> 01:10:53,699 custodial keys, just like, you know, just like the regular 1060 01:10:53,699 --> 01:11:01,319 Justin Trudeau. Sir lurks a lot. Send us 11235 11,235 through 1061 01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:06,299 nine verse and he says, Providence synchronicity. Well, 1062 01:11:06,419 --> 01:11:09,389 like a good feedback loop. We must be resonating somehow you 1063 01:11:09,389 --> 01:11:12,539 guys go ahead and milk those notes for all that sweet sweet 1064 01:11:12,539 --> 01:11:17,939 data. Slurp it up. I for one very, very, very much appreciate 1065 01:11:17,939 --> 01:11:20,999 how thoughtful you are of listener privacy, not only with 1066 01:11:20,999 --> 01:11:24,029 hashing identifiable data, but also giving thought to 1067 01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:27,449 mitigating attempts to de anonymize ViaSat amounts. My 1068 01:11:27,449 --> 01:11:30,719 numerology today is the Fibonacci sequence. The golden 1069 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:34,409 mean Oh, sacred geometry resonate Briley bros. 1070 01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:37,200 Nice Fibonacci boost. 1071 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,430 L. Did you modify that on the fly? 1072 01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:46,080 Yes, that was that was it live performance baby? 1073 01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:50,880 Yeah, you just edited a ride and see Dubs. See, dubs sent us 1074 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,500 10,000 101 through boost CLI. And he says, I have not decided 1075 01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:58,890 how I feel about you publishing your boost feed data, regardless 1076 01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:02,490 of your attempts to to anonymize it. As a general rule, I like 1077 01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:05,070 this because this is like a counterpoint to to us or 1078 01:12:05,070 --> 01:12:09,600 Luxilon. As a general rule, I don't like profiles of me being 1079 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,320 distributed online. If you used hashed usernames, you can still 1080 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,490 link the user to other datasets if they used the same username. 1081 01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:25,920 True, true. So your point so your points will be probably 1082 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,900 these leave user names completely out of it. 1083 01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:30,540 This is regarding what 1084 01:12:31,470 --> 01:12:33,720 this is what we talked about last week about having like this 1085 01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:35,430 way, like we 1086 01:12:36,270 --> 01:12:39,030 like boost data. Right? Okay. 1087 01:12:39,780 --> 01:12:43,110 Yeah, basically so people say yeah, and then I was saying 1088 01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:46,080 like, we could just hash the user names and then use not the 1089 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,060 numerology but just the random 1090 01:12:48,510 --> 01:12:51,540 username doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. We don't need to 1091 01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:55,680 Yeah, we which remove all that we just say remove the messages 1092 01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:00,330 remove Remove everything except the sad amounts. Yes, I mean, 1093 01:13:00,450 --> 01:13:03,900 that's all I was thinking of. Just the satellites. 1094 01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:09,660 Good thanks for that CTOs. Some se Oh, he's fallen out see 1095 01:13:09,660 --> 01:13:13,350 10 101 again and those one on one he says some apps already 1096 01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:17,010 sent less fields in the boost when fee equal true in the split 1097 01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:20,280 such as the message and thinking that privacy preserving apps 1098 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,300 should should redact all the fields when fee equals true or 1099 01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:27,780 perhaps only the fields identify the podcast episode and app I 1100 01:13:27,780 --> 01:13:28,500 think that's a good 1101 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:32,250 I think it's a great idea. Yep, I totally agree with that. Yeah, 1102 01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:35,460 if it's a fee don't don't send the message for sure. 1103 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:42,390 Great idea. How do we solidify that? We just did okay. Yeah, 1104 01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:43,680 we'll be watching 1105 01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:48,690 raw we will send events to the events in point when you've when 1106 01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:49,770 you don't comply 1107 01:13:52,710 --> 01:13:54,420 the event police is here. 1108 01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:57,390 Yeah, this is this is what this is gonna turn into this is gonna 1109 01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:05,100 turn into event police. Roy Schonfeld, Roy 554 321 A Roy and 1110 01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:08,490 he gives us gives us three rocket ships and a boost 1111 01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:17,850 royal do it he'll do it. He'll he'll do this in no time. He'll 1112 01:14:17,850 --> 01:14:18,540 have the fee. 1113 01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:20,310 Oh, yeah. Totally. 1114 01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:26,250 Up gene Everett 1234. And he just says boost 1115 01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:28,890 boost boost 1116 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,090 for Borsen and boards and good labor. I don't know how to board 1117 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:41,610 blush fours and fours and fours and fours again ever since 101 1118 01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:45,810 says but he says what an intro You guys rock greetings from 1119 01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:49,320 fellow German podcaster. Thomas. I guess it's Tomas Prado. 1120 01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,900 Alright talk Tomas. Tomas. 1121 01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:56,490 Thank you buddy. Mitch there your life is lit from 10,000 1122 01:14:57,060 --> 01:15:03,930 Gene been you says to cast Matic he says, with the apps 1123 01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:07,230 implementing Opie three help much if the default players on 1124 01:15:07,230 --> 01:15:12,090 platforms don't also do so. For example, if the apple podcasts 1125 01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:14,910 and whatever androids default don't support mp3 Seems like 1126 01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:18,960 massively slanted data. You will, you know. 1127 01:15:22,020 --> 01:15:25,650 But they don't need to support op three. I mean, that's up to 1128 01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:28,350 the publisher, am I misunderstanding the question? 1129 01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:33,150 I think he's asking about like if apps just sent everything 1130 01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:36,000 through OB three without honoring the prefix or whatever, 1131 01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:41,280 in the in the enclosure if they just did it themselves? Oh, I 1132 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,090 see. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they should. 1133 01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:47,910 I don't think they're going to. And so I think it's kind of a 1134 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:52,410 moot point anyway. But be general in generally speaking, 1135 01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:57,900 though, this, this idea of every app has to do it or we don't, or 1136 01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:01,260 the data is not accurate. I don't know that. I agree with 1137 01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:05,970 that. Because you can see, you can extrapolate I mean, 1138 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:10,380 statistics will allow you to get an idea of a small take, you 1139 01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:13,320 know, take a smaller set and get an idea of what the bigger set 1140 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:17,070 means. I mean, it's not. No, it's not 100%. But nothing in 1141 01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:20,760 podcast data is ever going to be 100%. I mean, we just have to 1142 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,580 accept that that's the fact. This is I'm 1143 01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:26,130 still not sure what we're gonna do with all that information. 1144 01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:30,450 Other than, Oh, here's the amount of people that we have no 1145 01:16:30,450 --> 01:16:31,590 advertisers for. 1146 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:38,100 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's fun. Gene bein, again, 1337. He 1147 01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:41,400 says, For me, the hosting company lets me offload tasks I 1148 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,940 simply don't have time for and bandwidth to deal with 1149 01:16:44,940 --> 01:16:47,400 Sure. Absolutely. That's the whole idea and they shouldn't be 1150 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,190 be edge you should be at feel like you're being educated. I 1151 01:16:50,190 --> 01:16:54,870 know they do about new things, new developments, ideas. I mean, 1152 01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:57,840 I think that's a big part of the appeal of all hosting companies. 1153 01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:01,530 They also provide some nice extras I did. I couldn't do 1154 01:17:01,530 --> 01:17:03,900 myself, but would take more time and effort. That's 1155 01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:06,930 right. Yeah. That's the whole point that it's abstracting all 1156 01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:10,890 the yeses abstracting everything. So don't be like me 1157 01:17:10,890 --> 01:17:15,180 where you mess stuff up because you're using you know, you're 1158 01:17:15,180 --> 01:17:18,240 using stuff that is still being built as I'm you know, I'm 1159 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,090 driving the car while Stephen B is still building it. 1160 01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:27,600 It's right. Get an egghead, send us 8007 SAS SAS landed boot 1161 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,280 donation, he says voodoo Graham always says a boot. That's a 1162 01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:41,940 boot donation Oh Buddha Graham, Buddha 1750 SAS from primitive, 1163 01:17:42,150 --> 01:17:47,460 primitive, primitive one. Oh, primitive. 117 50. Thank you 1164 01:17:47,460 --> 01:17:51,300 note 5552 from Satoshi stream. Thank 1165 01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:56,370 you. Oh, nice. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Gray. 1166 01:17:58,170 --> 01:18:03,270 Jean beans and is 13 370. Your cast Madigan he says a guide for 1167 01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:05,370 helping listeners get started with taking advantage of 1168 01:18:05,370 --> 01:18:08,970 podcasting 2.0 features that includes how to get started with 1169 01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:12,300 value for value would be awesome. Along with that, a 1170 01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:16,530 summary of what features end users can expect by using 2.0 1171 01:18:16,530 --> 01:18:19,920 apps instead of traditional ones would also be nice, and I refer 1172 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,450 you right back to the hosting companies. This is I mean, we 1173 01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:28,920 can sit here and explain it. And we do to a large extent. But 1174 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,130 what you want is you you want to understand how these things work 1175 01:18:32,130 --> 01:18:34,650 practically with someone who built an interface and can 1176 01:18:34,650 --> 01:18:38,400 support you in learning it. I can also tell you how to fly a 1177 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,760 helicopter right now. won't be the same unless you're in a 1178 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,920 helicopter with an instructor at a flight school. 1179 01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:48,300 Yep, definitely hosting companies. Trent are the 1180 01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:49,230 translators here? 1181 01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:52,320 Yeah. You're paying for it. 1182 01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:57,000 We translate to them and they translate to the to the 1183 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,050 podcaster so 1184 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,410 it's all beautiful. In Oh, 1185 01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:10,530 whoa get Giga Giga Kapoor G G A G on a ma 1186 01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:13,170 g a g 1187 01:19:13,979 --> 01:19:17,039 k A he Yu Gi 1188 01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:20,610 Shi i 1189 01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:27,930 get good Giga cup Giga buchi or its age kappa G 1190 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,410 gauge cappucci will keep it I like gauge cappucci 1191 01:19:31,859 --> 01:19:35,099 gauge cappucci Send us 200,000 SATs 1192 01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:41,250 follow 20 is Blaze on him Bala All right. I don't care what 1193 01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:42,060 your name is. 1194 01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:46,290 And he says in his messages, my first ever boost 1195 01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:57,240 boosts exceeded. Mr. C. Thank you. It's very kind of you. 1196 01:19:57,780 --> 01:20:01,530 Thank you, Gage. cappucci through fountain Oh Um, yeah, 1197 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:07,590 sweet. I mean a nice entry onto the dance floor 6969 from a 1198 01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:12,420 citizen through pod verse, it says, For those boosting to the 1199 01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:16,140 getting divorce back on board fund, it doesn't work. Doesn't 1200 01:20:16,140 --> 01:20:17,370 work boost boost. 1201 01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:18,570 It will never work. 1202 01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:22,110 You need to boost to the cut divorce from the split fine. 1203 01:20:22,830 --> 01:20:25,230 There's no split split doesn't go to us. 1204 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,890 Yeah, there's no there's no he does not in a split. So mission 1205 01:20:28,890 --> 01:20:29,610 accomplished. 1206 01:20:30,930 --> 01:20:34,260 Now we both we split back to everybody who helps out that's, 1207 01:20:34,290 --> 01:20:38,820 that's, that's the beauty of it. One day, one day, he'll wake up 1208 01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:42,150 and say, Wait a minute, how much Satoshis are going to all these 1209 01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:42,840 other people? 1210 01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:47,130 It's like, I need to get in on that action. 1211 01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:55,080 I'm serious. I'm dead serious. If it's serious money, like if 1212 01:20:55,080 --> 01:21:00,330 it's if it's something that would get his attention. He 1213 01:21:00,330 --> 01:21:03,570 would. He would be Hey, I'm gonna do something with this. 1214 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,530 Because I'm, I know I love him. I know him. I know. That's how 1215 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:10,110 we operate. He'd be like, hey, wait a minute. What are we 1216 01:21:10,110 --> 01:21:10,800 missing here? 1217 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,620 Anyway, Bailey bones 7500 SATs through fountain he says 1218 01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:18,750 podcasting 2.0 is the next bacon. 1219 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,950 Thank you. You go that that's a bumper sticker. 1220 01:21:23,460 --> 01:21:32,700 It is a brown of London and hive Dao 49,817 SAS the V four V app, 1221 01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:36,780 also known as the Rube Goldberg machine, he says what makes this 1222 01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:40,200 show special its listeners like me not advertising. Isn't this 1223 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,940 sweet? Ah Bucha that's a that's a call back to his Professor G 1224 01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:46,050 clip here. 1225 01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:51,660 I was thinking about about Brian because I was reading about by 1226 01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:57,840 Nance I think and by Nance got hacked $150 million in I think 1227 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:03,360 it's apparently a lot of these exchanges have their own kind of 1228 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,860 stable coin or other kind of side blockchain that people can 1229 01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:11,400 move stuff in and out of and they so it's literally a bridge 1230 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,720 to Bitcoin. So it's not you know, you're not like selling it 1231 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,480 on the exchange. But it goes in basically what Brian of London 1232 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,230 does, it goes into SATs and it comes out as hive. And even 1233 01:22:22,230 --> 01:22:26,760 those guys get hacked. You know, and that and that one sucked 1234 01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:28,380 because that one, that's a sucky one. So 1235 01:22:28,380 --> 01:22:30,840 I did the big one. They're a big player. Yeah. 1236 01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:34,440 So I'm just I'm I'm always thinking of you, Brian. Always 1237 01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:35,070 Thank you. 1238 01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:40,050 Lots of firewalls, brother firewalls. The tone wrecker 1239 01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:44,100 since 2052. Sets. He says through fountain he says, 1240 01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:47,490 learning is accelerating an ocean of knowledge being shared 1241 01:22:47,490 --> 01:22:51,030 by you both. Thank you some additional updates. Nightcrawler 1242 01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:55,170 robotics is an independent 501 C three public charity. Our team 1243 01:22:55,170 --> 01:22:58,530 makes travel fees optional, so any students can experience the 1244 01:22:58,530 --> 01:23:02,130 fun of FIRST Robotics regarding regardless of their financial 1245 01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:05,400 position. Oh, this is reference to last week's boost. Oh, yeah. 1246 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,910 With about the high school robotics team. In this 2.0 1247 01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:12,720 space, we found how to add the lb wallet into our Nightcrawler 1248 01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:18,480 2052 podcasts at a ha time for building this week. Let me hear 1249 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:22,740 you. Oh, let me hear you. Holla Nightcrawler Yes. A nerd podcast 1250 01:23:22,740 --> 01:23:26,310 you know, so that's that's the kind of school that needs to 1251 01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:29,520 look at the at the lightning sheep feeding machine. That's 1252 01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:33,480 exactly what I was just taking biotics right that's robotics. 1253 01:23:33,930 --> 01:23:37,800 That's badass robotics and and you make money to fund your you 1254 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,420 know, your your sock hop, 1255 01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:45,390 sock hop in your your multi your malted milk 1256 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,120 there are no Yes 1257 01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:54,180 or No get you you shouldn't you can have like a webcam but two 1258 01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:59,670 robots. Do those like battle robot things? No. And then if 1259 01:23:59,670 --> 01:24:04,560 you if you QR code on the right, left up, down and you can run 1260 01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:08,490 you can make the robot roll around by sending like 10 cents 1261 01:24:08,490 --> 01:24:10,320 or the sad state whatever direction 1262 01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:15,960 Yeah, I kind of liked the robot animal interaction personally. 1263 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,020 Okay, something really compelling about that. 1264 01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:25,920 Or it can launch the robot can launch food. It can launch bait 1265 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:31,260 out of it like it at a rapid rate. You know, blow a big thing 1266 01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:31,860 of food out. 1267 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,800 Now you're talking all right now. Now you're 1268 01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:44,340 way far away from the house. Okay, we got lyceum. He says 1269 01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:48,960 217 76 podcast, SATs and he says Adam will you get the Twitter 1270 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,530 handle V for V underscore info back when Elon Musk is taking 1271 01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:58,020 over? What kind of rules did you violate Liberty, Liberty booster 1272 01:24:58,020 --> 01:24:59,760 1776 Satoshis 1273 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,770 Thank you. I've never owned that. And by the time Elon Musk 1274 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:09,150 if the sale goes through, and he buys it, I think I will have to 1275 01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:10,440 depart the platform. 1276 01:25:11,519 --> 01:25:13,979 You know, he's very real, if he would really quit. 1277 01:25:14,969 --> 01:25:17,399 Well, I'm pretty sure that they're gonna want me to send 1278 01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:22,229 him my driver's license. Oh, that Yeah. I mean, definitely, 1279 01:25:22,259 --> 01:25:27,689 his whole idea is based on identity. Verification, that's 1280 01:25:27,749 --> 01:25:31,169 that, how do you get rid of Botswana? Or how do you deal 1281 01:25:31,169 --> 01:25:34,709 with all the bullcrap, like, Well, okay, say whatever you 1282 01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:37,829 want, but we know who you are. We have your, your, your details 1283 01:25:37,829 --> 01:25:42,869 on file. And if you say something slanderous, then we'll 1284 01:25:42,869 --> 01:25:44,729 be sure to make sure people can get a hold of you. 1285 01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:50,340 Yeah, so this this you know, Alex warned about this. A year 1286 01:25:50,340 --> 01:25:56,730 and a half ago with Jack and Jack Dorsey with Jack Dorsey's 1287 01:25:56,940 --> 01:26:00,120 side project of Twitter, the Twitter 1288 01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:04,290 yes sky night something whatever it is, yeah, you know, Sky 1289 01:26:04,290 --> 01:26:05,310 things guys guy. 1290 01:26:05,940 --> 01:26:09,030 So you know, they were coming they came up with this big 1291 01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:12,270 grandiose plan of they're going to have this decentralized Yeah, 1292 01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:15,000 actually read that white paper and understood it. You're 1293 01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:18,210 telling me right, that crazy ass thing about identity? 1294 01:26:18,630 --> 01:26:23,250 Yeah, and it was basically you know, you're gonna have a single 1295 01:26:23,250 --> 01:26:26,940 digital identity across all these platforms. So I'm like no, 1296 01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:30,900 no, I'm out okay, count me out. Yeah, I'm done. I don't I don't 1297 01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:36,630 want that No, I want I want ended I want individual accounts 1298 01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:39,270 on different platforms. I don't want some single unifying 1299 01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:43,050 identity I'm not I'm not ready for the entire market the beast 1300 01:26:43,050 --> 01:26:44,730 crap. Okay, count me out. 1301 01:26:46,290 --> 01:26:47,670 Let's move on with our boosts. 1302 01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:55,140 Lyceum 20 to 22 Dave, do you have tips on electronic wallets 1303 01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:58,860 for non techie users I have used blue wallet but I get error 1304 01:26:58,860 --> 01:27:01,980 messages now as I'm trying to refill my lightning wallet with 1305 01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:04,980 my bank card in order to buy gifts in the stream bits of 1306 01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:08,700 Bitcoin it has to work in a simple and safe way similarly to 1307 01:27:08,730 --> 01:27:13,350 a Pay Pal or or swish that's mobile payment system in Sweden 1308 01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:16,230 transaction road dogs boost easily 1309 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,050 I don't have an answer for that offhand. 1310 01:27:22,710 --> 01:27:24,960 I don't I've heard people having problems 1311 01:27:25,979 --> 01:27:32,279 tell you the wallet for Bitcoin or for lightning. My absolute 1312 01:27:32,279 --> 01:27:38,519 rock that has over $1,000 at all times and it is breeze 1313 01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:40,890 breeze this one I was gonna say we talk 1314 01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:46,050 about it as a podcast app it is an incredibly mature well 1315 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:52,560 structured well run well managed MS and and the most sovereignty 1316 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,400 you I think of anything I can imagine at the moment there's no 1317 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,730 I don't want to get into arguments about that but I 1318 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:06,240 always always always that's the one yeah, that's my working 1319 01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:10,230 wallet for all things payments. All the time for sure. 1320 01:28:10,260 --> 01:28:13,530 It is connected to moon pay and you can definitely use that yeah 1321 01:28:13,530 --> 01:28:14,580 all over Europe and 1322 01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:18,330 yeah, yeah. There you go fix that. They 1323 01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:24,629 go Lyceum to send a rush boost 2112 Nice. He's still my beating 1324 01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:27,869 heart. He says I am on my way to the podcast and 2.0 certified T 1325 01:28:27,869 --> 01:28:33,689 Shirt Day USD $50 to go about getting DJ Steve boy yet on 1326 01:28:33,689 --> 01:28:39,449 board who's DJ Steve. Crew creates a great a great creates 1327 01:28:39,449 --> 01:28:42,989 great music mixes have purchased his pod runner t shirt. I see 1328 01:28:42,989 --> 01:28:45,839 that his podcast groove electric and pod runner are hosted by 1329 01:28:45,839 --> 01:28:49,829 Lipson send an email to Stephen to rob Greenlee. Of Lipson in 1330 01:28:49,829 --> 01:28:53,849 new media show and his new podcast spoken live show. Yeah, 1331 01:28:53,849 --> 01:28:58,319 congrats to rob Greenlee. Listen, what's it called? Pod 1332 01:28:58,319 --> 01:28:59,939 runner and groove electric 1333 01:29:00,029 --> 01:29:01,919 pod runner. 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If you're not on it already, 1366 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,000 podcast index dot social. You have to shoot us an email but 1367 01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:27,840 we'll let you in. With this. There's no real entry exam. 1368 01:31:27,930 --> 01:31:32,160 Although I have thought about doing one with the entry exam be 1369 01:31:32,370 --> 01:31:35,400 what color is the White House? Start we start there. 1370 01:31:35,970 --> 01:31:37,440 long did the 100 Years War last? 1371 01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,430 Man, believe it or not? A lot of people get those wrong. 1372 01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,910 Yes, after seeing the man on the street stuff, 1373 01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:48,330 I would Yeah, go to podcast index.org Scroll down the bottom 1374 01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:51,270 if you want to give us Fiat fun coupons or donate through a I 1375 01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:54,840 should check that again. I forget to check all the time. Or 1376 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:59,130 if you want to send us some on chain coin, and 1377 01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:01,530 some beef coins and some beef coin 1378 01:32:01,619 --> 01:32:05,699 and get yourself something modern, a new podcast apps.com 1379 01:32:05,729 --> 01:32:10,079 You will not regret it. And now we have nothing. Nothing new. 1380 01:32:10,289 --> 01:32:14,219 Let me see. I have a message from tally coin. 1381 01:32:15,090 --> 01:32:17,790 The message is like nobody's sending you money. I'm sorry. 1382 01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:18,990 ahead for you. 1383 01:32:19,859 --> 01:32:25,619 This is 28th of September, anonymous sent 25,000 SATs but I 1384 01:32:25,649 --> 01:32:31,289 don't know if that was for us. Okay, well, don't send that as 1385 01:32:31,289 --> 01:32:34,319 anonymous and I can't thank you or send those anonymous I can't 1386 01:32:34,319 --> 01:32:34,709 thank you. 1387 01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:39,780 Um, speaking of speaking of Putin, carrying water for Putin, 1388 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:49,350 the this this article from the Brookings Institution, the woman 1389 01:32:49,380 --> 01:32:57,480 Valerie worshiper Schefter. She's back with more dashboards. 1390 01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:02,490 And, I mean, like, 1391 01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:07,380 oh, this This isn't easy. I figured it out. Go ahead. What 1392 01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:09,870 what what do you what is on this? 1393 01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:15,779 Well, the vibe on this is that she's you know, at first I was 1394 01:33:15,779 --> 01:33:20,729 thinking spook spooky, but then I was like, you know, this is 1395 01:33:20,729 --> 01:33:25,589 kind of what want to be spooky. Cuz the, what she says in here 1396 01:33:25,589 --> 01:33:29,819 is, while exactly who is responsible for the attack, this 1397 01:33:29,819 --> 01:33:33,089 was just this. This article is about the dissemination of 1398 01:33:33,089 --> 01:33:37,529 misinformation. The The title is us podcasters spread Kremlin 1399 01:33:37,529 --> 01:33:43,589 narratives on Nord Stream sabotage. In the first paragraph 1400 01:33:44,519 --> 01:33:48,089 says while exactly who is responsible for the attack, 1401 01:33:48,299 --> 01:33:51,809 which European officials say was a deliberate act of sabotage 1402 01:33:51,989 --> 01:33:56,549 remains unclear. Experts broadly agree that Russia is the key 1403 01:33:56,549 --> 01:34:02,399 suspect in the experts broadly agree. wording is a link to a 1404 01:34:02,399 --> 01:34:06,689 New York Times article experts. I linked to the New York Times, 1405 01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:11,519 read the entire article in Nowhere in the news that is 1406 01:34:11,519 --> 01:34:16,469 absolutely 100% Now what that article says, it says nothing of 1407 01:34:16,469 --> 01:34:21,539 the sort is a matter of fact, by the end of the article, you're 1408 01:34:21,539 --> 01:34:24,959 convinced that nobody knows who did this and the ones who do 1409 01:34:24,959 --> 01:34:28,589 think the ones who do think they know think it was us I mean this 1410 01:34:28,619 --> 01:34:31,829 this is this article starts out in the first paragraph with 1411 01:34:31,829 --> 01:34:34,919 misinformation by completely lying about what this article 1412 01:34:34,919 --> 01:34:35,939 this she linked to said. 1413 01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:39,330 I will explain to you what is going on here. It finally hit 1414 01:34:39,330 --> 01:34:43,650 me. And the way is when I went into their dashboard. 1415 01:34:44,460 --> 01:34:46,230 Oh, you got into you got in. Oh, yeah, 1416 01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:51,449 I looked at the dashboard. Okay. This, this lady who now has a 1417 01:34:51,449 --> 01:34:56,609 sidekick. She's a political operative. And what she's doing 1418 01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:03,239 is because when it comes to perceived misinformation about 1419 01:35:04,109 --> 01:35:08,759 Putin, Ukraine pipeline, et cetera. I think the no agenda 1420 01:35:08,759 --> 01:35:13,109 show would rate very highly on the list of, Wow, these guys are 1421 01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:18,119 nuts. They're carrying water for Putin. Yeah, now we are not in 1422 01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:21,689 their database. Now, I think we probably have a big enough size 1423 01:35:21,689 --> 01:35:25,649 audience and enough people know us that, that she might have 1424 01:35:25,649 --> 01:35:30,179 come across us as big disinfo people. But that's not what this 1425 01:35:30,179 --> 01:35:33,569 is about. This is all the podcasts that are listed. I 1426 01:35:33,569 --> 01:35:37,979 think there's 70 or 90 of the things 70 or 79 or something 1427 01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:41,609 probably all Fox News people know all of it is podcast 1428 01:35:41,609 --> 01:35:52,199 industrial complex. So it is Dan bond, Gino, you know, stuff like 1429 01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:58,679 this, and you know Ben Shapiro, and then they'll have in pod 1430 01:35:58,679 --> 01:36:05,999 save America. So it's so obvious it is right left. And this is 1431 01:36:05,999 --> 01:36:09,869 intended for one thing and one link one thing only to get the 1432 01:36:09,869 --> 01:36:14,519 platforms such as Apple and Spotify and Google and anyone 1433 01:36:14,519 --> 01:36:20,639 else they can get to throw those podcasts off. That is Brookings 1434 01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:24,659 Institution. This this is a this is not this is a political move. 1435 01:36:25,739 --> 01:36:28,199 That's what this this whole thing is about because you're 1436 01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:32,279 right. She's lying, because he's not sincere. This is not about 1437 01:36:32,879 --> 01:36:36,479 any concern for the for the horrible public who might be 1438 01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,759 sigh opt by a podcast. 1439 01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,949 This by spreading the idea that the United States was in fact 1440 01:36:43,949 --> 01:36:47,609 responsible for the explosions, several leading us podcasters 1441 01:36:47,609 --> 01:36:50,789 have advanced the Kremlin's preferred narrative, while 1442 01:36:50,789 --> 01:36:56,789 staying under the radar radar of researchers until now. Like, I 1443 01:36:56,789 --> 01:37:00,569 mean, do me a break. me Give me Give me a break. I don't know. 1444 01:37:00,959 --> 01:37:04,199 The only reason that I care about these explosions in this 1445 01:37:04,199 --> 01:37:07,859 pipeline is it's going to end up it's going to result in the harm 1446 01:37:07,889 --> 01:37:12,209 to people that I care about in Europe. That's not cool. I care 1447 01:37:12,209 --> 01:37:17,549 about that. But otherwise, this misinformation stuff is like 1448 01:37:17,609 --> 01:37:20,789 we've talked about this before misinformation or in podcasts. 1449 01:37:20,969 --> 01:37:24,089 Because misinformation is in life. There's all kinds of 1450 01:37:24,089 --> 01:37:28,589 misinformation maybe there's misinformation. In the news at 1451 01:37:28,589 --> 01:37:32,939 the watercooler at the at your office at the dinner table, in 1452 01:37:32,939 --> 01:37:38,369 church, in science in research, hey, go to the retraction watch 1453 01:37:38,369 --> 01:37:38,969 blog. 1454 01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,320 Oh my god, the retraction of all the scientific papers that's a 1455 01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:45,990 another RSS feed. It's one of my favorites. 1456 01:37:46,260 --> 01:37:51,690 It's multiple retracted, peer review, peer reviewed and then 1457 01:37:51,690 --> 01:37:52,830 retracted later because 1458 01:37:52,829 --> 01:37:55,349 his grace has often in disgrace. Yes, 1459 01:37:55,649 --> 01:38:00,509 multiple a day. So I mean, just just get and just tired of this 1460 01:38:00,599 --> 01:38:01,739 garbage day. 1461 01:38:03,569 --> 01:38:05,999 Ya know, it's time for the weekend, brother. It's time to 1462 01:38:05,999 --> 01:38:07,079 kick off the weekend. 1463 01:38:07,890 --> 01:38:10,560 Do you want to do another podcast namespace thing? 1464 01:38:11,220 --> 01:38:16,140 Now we're 138 130 Yeah, what do we have leftover? 1465 01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:25,590 Oh, I don't know say well, we get we get state and has guests 1466 01:38:26,910 --> 01:38:30,270 now seem to float. This doesn't sound very 1467 01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:34,890 exciting. No, I shot my wad on event. I mean, I gave an idea. 1468 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,110 We've got something new is it? Is it done yet? Have we 1469 01:38:37,110 --> 01:38:40,500 developed it yet? Can I Can I see it yet in curio caster do I 1470 01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:41,940 do is this available to me? 1471 01:38:43,140 --> 01:38:48,300 This this is yes. This is a good place to stop I guess. So we'll 1472 01:38:48,810 --> 01:38:54,390 see. An open info sharing method. Yeah, no, I'm gonna stop 1473 01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:54,750 in here. 1474 01:38:56,609 --> 01:38:59,279 I think the problem was is we went there. You know, we went 1475 01:38:59,279 --> 01:39:03,089 into the disinformation thing and, and I felt myself getting 1476 01:39:03,089 --> 01:39:06,239 off track too. And I was such a high because I want to see who 1477 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:09,209 else is listening to this podcast at the same time. I'm 1478 01:39:09,209 --> 01:39:10,079 listening to it. 1479 01:39:10,350 --> 01:39:13,290 And I just want that now. That's all you can think about. Dude, 1480 01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:13,530 we 1481 01:39:13,529 --> 01:39:16,289 can be the tinder of podcasting. I'm telling you, this is 1482 01:39:16,289 --> 01:39:20,039 exciting. This is exciting. I'm telling you dating in podcast 1483 01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:21,989 apps. It's all coming. 1484 01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:25,109 Hit the ISO hit it, bombshell. 1485 01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:34,560 Dave, I love you, man. Love you too, brother. we'll see 1486 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,590 everybody next week right here on podcasting 2.0. 1487 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:56,160 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1488 01:39:56,160 --> 01:40:03,510 index.org For more information The shell