Episode 113: Substance Dualism

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120 podcasting 2.0 for December 16 2022, episode 113 substance 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:11,670 dualism. Hello, everybody. Welcome to your weekly board 3 00:00:11,670 --> 00:00:14,190 meeting. That's right. We go all the way up until the end of the 4 00:00:14,190 --> 00:00:18,330 year of podcasting 2.0. A Do you want to know what's ahead and 5 00:00:18,330 --> 00:00:22,410 what's in store for 2023? Well, we're not going to tell you we 6 00:00:22,410 --> 00:00:26,370 are the future. So you came to the right place, everything 7 00:00:26,370 --> 00:00:30,600 happening with the namespace, every single podcast index.org 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 And of course, podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,720 the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama. He's 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,660 making less than checking it twice. Say hello to my friend on 11 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:43,080 the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:46,769 I did a dangerous thing. What did you do did myself during the 13 00:00:46,769 --> 00:00:51,029 intro, and just barely remember to unmute myself. 14 00:00:51,659 --> 00:00:54,629 Why would you do that? Don't I mean, I got I got you covered 15 00:00:54,629 --> 00:00:55,799 broke. I got you covered. 16 00:00:56,940 --> 00:01:01,080 I was I don't know. I think I was in a fog from enjoying my 17 00:01:01,260 --> 00:01:02,490 beef milkshake. 18 00:01:02,790 --> 00:01:07,260 Beef milkshake. Oh, that doesn't sound very good. 19 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:11,160 I blame you for this new dietary infatuation that 20 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,720 oh, wait, you know, I was going to ask how is your beef diet 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,320 going? 22 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:21,090 My beef journey has progressed all the way to milkshake in, 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,060 like Dan Benjamin sent me this. He's like, man, I've got this 24 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:33,000 great like beef protein shake that I use. I was like, oh, and 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,600 he? He said no, no, no. So it's like grass fed. But it's like 26 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:39,840 isolated beef protein. It doesn't taste like beef. You 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,610 know, he's like, it's like chocolate. And he's like, No, I 28 00:01:44,610 --> 00:01:48,270 swear, here by it. And if you don't like it, I'll buy it from 29 00:01:48,270 --> 00:01:49,740 you. Like I just sent it to me 30 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:53,820 know, do you use the K is the K and C beef in that? It knows. 31 00:01:53,820 --> 00:02:00,300 So I did the like, I ran out of K and C beef. And I had to order 32 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,760 some and it takes like a week to get here. Yeah. And so then I'm 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,480 like, You know what, I really need a fallback plan because my 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,710 body is loving the like, the super pro to high protein diet 35 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:14,040 is really like made an impact on the way I feel. 36 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:17,550 I love hearing this. I love this. You're ready to be on the 37 00:02:17,550 --> 00:02:19,620 meat mafia show now. Okay. 38 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:22,980 Sign me up. I'll give testimonials. This 39 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:27,330 is exactly it. And there was the answer was in front of you for 40 00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:28,380 all these years. 41 00:02:29,010 --> 00:02:31,680 Yeah. Like I know, I've said this before, but I didn't 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,220 realize if you go if I go back and look. And you'll see in 43 00:02:35,220 --> 00:02:39,990 like, a lot of days I'll see like 20 grams of protein. 44 00:02:40,350 --> 00:02:45,030 2020. Yes, that's for like two eggs. 45 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:53,640 No, it was shameful. It's Wow, everybody. And I'm like this is 46 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,300 so I have to have like double triple quadruple backup plan 47 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:58,050 emergencies. 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,130 Oh, to have the patience. You got Jacob jerky and all kinds of 49 00:03:02,130 --> 00:03:04,530 stuff. Ready? Yeah. ingest ready to go? Yeah. 50 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:06,510 Last removed. 51 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,560 I'm so happy to hear that, man. I mean that I know that you've 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,350 struggled with all kinds of bullshit, just health wise in 53 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:14,160 that regard. 54 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:18,960 And working out and like lifting weights and stuff. Man made a 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,860 big difference. Yeah. 56 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:22,890 Now you know what's gonna happen? Chicks are gonna flock 57 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:23,280 to you. 58 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:28,680 We don't want any of that. I got the garlic necklace. 59 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:36,900 Oh, I think I have a hernia. For real? Yeah, I think I think so I 60 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:39,120 looked it up. I'm like, Oh, this is kind of like one of those 61 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,050 hernia things. 62 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:43,200 Go to the dentist and get some dental work and then come out 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,190 with a hernia tell you 64 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:47,790 man this like this is, you know, I don't want to complain. I 65 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:51,750 really don't. But I was freaked out about the procedure itself. 66 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:54,930 And that, of course, turned out to be really nothing. It was 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,480 almost like, Hey, I almost want to do that fentanyl thing again, 68 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,290 that was kind of fun. 69 00:03:58,950 --> 00:04:02,130 Don't have no don't ever let me hear you say that. Well, we're 70 00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:04,710 doing it again, when the when the posts go in, but it'll be a 71 00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:08,310 couple months. When they say No, it'll be the healing. It'll be 72 00:04:08,310 --> 00:04:11,370 the healing like, okay, when you think of the healing, you just 73 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:14,310 think of, you know, it's like, I got stitches as all the stuff 74 00:04:14,310 --> 00:04:17,430 going on. They put stuff in it as healing, but you were you 75 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:24,030 kind of don't get what's not in the brochure is his how much you 76 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:29,940 use your mouth for functioning in the world. And when when when 77 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:33,690 things are are missing or displaced and you know it's in a 78 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:38,220 transitionary state. This is very it affects you in an odd 79 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:41,790 number of ways. Mainly that you feels like you're wearing a 80 00:04:41,790 --> 00:04:43,470 mouthguard all day long. 81 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:48,690 Or we're breakages or what gives you this feeling is that the 82 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:49,500 temporaries are 83 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:52,620 yeah, oh yeah, because I have two bridges in my mouth and but 84 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:55,170 they're only attached to the canine so you can't really chew 85 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:59,370 and it's in an odd way. Let's see, I can empathize with people 86 00:04:59,370 --> 00:05:04,110 who have An artificial limb. Now it's functioning but you have no 87 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:07,710 connection to it. It's prosthetic teeth. Yeah, yes, 88 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:10,560 yes. Yes. Yes. No, but they're not connected to the bone at 89 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,590 all. Even. Hey, it doesn't matter. I'm just I'm just 90 00:05:13,590 --> 00:05:16,440 saying. It's like and then I and then I got this hernia, I think 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,190 is hernia. 92 00:05:18,030 --> 00:05:21,090 Is it? I mean, does it lay hurt lay Hill every time you laugh? 93 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,940 It doesn't No, not hurt like hell no. Okay. No, but if it 94 00:05:26,940 --> 00:05:29,880 gets any worse in mind, that's probably what it is. 95 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:32,190 You don't you don't need to mess around with that. Like, you 96 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:33,450 might want to go get that checked. 97 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:38,940 It's like a quarter of all men get something like this. It's 98 00:05:38,940 --> 00:05:42,750 not bad. Unless unless it cuts off your, your intestines or 99 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:43,290 whatever. 100 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:48,480 Yeah, yeah. At all, 101 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,990 feeling kind of woozy? No, Dave, I don't know what to do. 102 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:58,080 You wait your whole life with like, no medical things ever, 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,820 ever. Now. They're all happening at once. 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,630 Everything's coming together. Just just perfectly. 105 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:06,360 Now you're in the system. That's right. 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,650 Yeah, that's right. I mean, this is yeah. Yeah, well, it's all 107 00:06:10,650 --> 00:06:13,890 right. My deductible is like $9,000. So that's fine. 108 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:19,200 Oh, yeah. No, you just take your car and you. 109 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,190 So this is kind of near the end of the year. And I think we 110 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:29,550 actually we are doing an end of year show. And I'm kind of 111 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:32,790 regretting not even ever wanting to do an interview show, telling 112 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:35,760 me how many people have asked me to do a thing for their end of 113 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,450 year show. And it involves a prediction and highlights from 114 00:06:39,450 --> 00:06:43,320 the last year. And I'm not one of those. Yeah, no, I know. I'm 115 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,160 only half. That's, it's like pod news weekly, like everyone is on 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,570 there, where their reviews and predictions. And I know why do 117 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:54,870 we die? Does everybody have to do it? I didn't do any of them 118 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:57,660 this year. Oh, you didn't know I didn't get oh, 119 00:06:57,660 --> 00:07:01,530 Sam hit me with what was your highlight of or know what do you 120 00:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,440 think's going to happen in 23? I was like, mental blank. I 121 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,110 haven't. I don't know. I have no idea. 122 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:11,340 Didn't you just didn't you just plug pod ping? 2.0. I was 123 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,420 plugged it first. But I didn't know where the like what's going 124 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:19,650 to happen? I think I mean, I was being honest. I think probably. 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,000 I guess my my prediction is just the slow march forward. 126 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:28,350 Yeah. It's casting does it always grows with, you know, 127 00:07:28,350 --> 00:07:33,240 like, between four and 7% a year no matter what it is? takes time 128 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,860 very slow rollout. Well, we can kind of review for ourselves. I 129 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:40,080 mean, last year's predictions. I think we were right on every 130 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,100 single thing. Facebook, YouTube. That'll be nothing. We both said 131 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:50,400 it. clubhouse clubhouse has been rounded out? No. So we predicted 132 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,650 everything that would that would that would fail. We're pretty 133 00:07:52,650 --> 00:07:53,370 good at that. 134 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,250 As a matter of fact, I don't I can't think of a single thing 135 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:57,270 we've ever gotten wrong. 136 00:07:57,420 --> 00:08:01,830 Exactly. Companies running out of money predicted. People get 137 00:08:01,830 --> 00:08:04,770 fired. Predicted financial deep platforming is one of the 138 00:08:04,770 --> 00:08:08,400 reasons we started this. I will make a prediction for next year. 139 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:11,820 I will I will. Oh, please. You want to hear me? Because I have 140 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:17,700 to. Yep. Artificial Intelligence will suck and no one will use it 141 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,680 in podcasting. It's bullshit, 142 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,770 though. I want to talk about I want to talk about chat. GPT by 143 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:28,260 the way, yeah, let's do it. You know, what got me? Well, 144 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:31,380 everybody's posting their chat be GPT screenshots and stuff. 145 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:37,560 And, you know, whatever. So what piqued my interest in this was? 146 00:08:37,890 --> 00:08:42,960 Was it Oh, it's open AI? That is the people behind chat. GPT. 147 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,340 Right. Yeah. And what caught my attention was they gave D 148 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:50,910 script, which is, you know, the popular podcast editor thing. 149 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:58,320 They gave that company $80 million. Yeah, that's a lot of 150 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,360 money. Yeah. And so like, this is not the end. I don't know 151 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,330 anything about these screws now about the script. But these open 152 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:09,060 AI people who are their investors, because they must 153 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:12,300 have some serious cash if they can just part with $80 million. 154 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:17,070 Oh, no, open AI. It's like, it's like the Linux Foundation. It's 155 00:09:17,070 --> 00:09:18,270 all it's all big tech. 156 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:21,360 I don't think the Linux count Foundation has $80 million. 157 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:25,800 The Linux Foundation is pretty much owned by Microsoft as a way 158 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,920 I understand it. I'll bet you they do have that kind of money. 159 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:34,890 But maybe I'm wrong. Let's take a look at who who's who is open. 160 00:09:34,890 --> 00:09:39,420 I mean, I don't know. But okay, let's so I understand your your 161 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:40,050 premise. 162 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:47,340 Right. But this is not an I know it's just I know it's just 163 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:52,740 semantics. Okay. Open AI RT. But this this none of this is real. 164 00:09:52,830 --> 00:09:54,720 None of this blows my mind here. 165 00:09:54,780 --> 00:10:00,330 No, it's It's basically Amazon. The chat stuff to me is C Siri 166 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,050 Alexa or Hey, Google, whatever you want to call it, with the 167 00:10:04,050 --> 00:10:06,870 same stupid answers just a little more embellished and 168 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:09,480 flowery. word salad. 169 00:10:10,170 --> 00:10:14,820 It's exactly what it is. It's word, salad word salad. It's 170 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:20,070 it's just all different variations of a fancy fancier 171 00:10:20,070 --> 00:10:21,060 Mechanical Turk. 172 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:24,060 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 173 00:10:24,090 --> 00:10:27,180 I think I guess the reason I want to bring it up, though, and 174 00:10:27,180 --> 00:10:30,390 tons of money around clearly, but in as this stuff gets 175 00:10:30,390 --> 00:10:33,450 better, I think we need to, at the MES think we need to 176 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:38,820 remember a few things about that this is not this is not Intel 177 00:10:38,850 --> 00:10:39,720 intelligence 178 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:43,050 in any manner at all. In any 179 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:45,150 way. No, you know, 180 00:10:46,170 --> 00:10:48,840 so, but you know what happens? You know what happens with this, 181 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,120 I'm gonna I'm gonna cut I'm gonna give you my opinion, real 182 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,970 quick on this. What happened? I want to hear so people all 183 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:57,690 jacked and Jedi. Like, oh, it can, it can release, it helps me 184 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,390 write my review, at least it helps me do my code. At least it 185 00:11:00,390 --> 00:11:04,080 helps me do my art. It helps. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, you're 186 00:11:04,110 --> 00:11:07,890 this is a prison and you're helping construct it. Because 187 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:10,560 one day you're gonna wake up and that same artificial 188 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,100 intelligence is going to be making decisions for you. But 189 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,980 not on your behalf. It'll be a government agency that has 190 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:19,200 bought into it and thinks it's all great. Oh, yeah, it's 191 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,190 fantastic. So this is where the decision will be made? Do you 192 00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:27,450 get parole? You go to prison. And we all know AI is racist, 193 00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:30,210 don't we? This is already happening. By the way. This is 194 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:33,330 not this is not fictional. This level this is if you think this 195 00:11:33,330 --> 00:11:36,630 is the best that AI has to deliver. Imagine how bad it is 196 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,570 the stuff they're using in courtrooms today that are making 197 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:43,800 decisions about people and recidivism, recidivism, 198 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:47,700 recidivism, recidivism, you know, committing another crime 199 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:54,780 going back to jail. And we're trusting this level of AI on it 200 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:58,860 if this is the best. So you're building your own prison, people 201 00:11:58,890 --> 00:11:59,520 stop it. 202 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,850 at them, the scarier thing to me is medical decisions. Yeah, 203 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,980 there you go. No, that's gonna you know, that's going to have 204 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:12,450 an egg give you a perfect example, got a friend who, who's 205 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,660 married to a pathologist, and the pathologist was had 206 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:21,060 contacted the doctor, because they're like, looking at this 207 00:12:21,060 --> 00:12:27,690 slide trying to determine what, how to diagnose. And she was 208 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:32,040 like, you know, I need to know this person's medical history, 209 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:39,630 because it looks, this looks like it could be X disease. I'm 210 00:12:39,630 --> 00:12:44,250 trying to be discreet here. And so in the doctor would like 211 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:48,450 wooden wouldn't say, it has something that she finally 212 00:12:48,450 --> 00:12:52,680 figured out, okay, this person must be must be homosexual. And 213 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:56,370 the doctor doesn't want to tell me. But what I'm seeing here is 214 00:12:56,370 --> 00:12:58,830 something that's very concerning. And that and I need 215 00:12:58,830 --> 00:13:01,890 to know that information, because that puts, that puts the 216 00:13:01,890 --> 00:13:04,950 risk that changes the risk profile. And so they're having 217 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:07,710 this, there's sort of this politics that came into this. 218 00:13:08,250 --> 00:13:11,070 And the pathologist was like, look, look, I don't care about 219 00:13:11,070 --> 00:13:15,090 any of that. I'm trying to accurately diagnose this person. 220 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:20,550 And I can't do this without a full medical history. And what 221 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:23,490 Tick, tick the box was, you know, oh, this person has had a 222 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:26,040 monkey pox vaccine recently. Yeah, she's like, Okay, this 223 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,240 must be what's going on. And so she was trying to put all this 224 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:37,380 stuff together. If if there was an possibility of a AI, that 225 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:39,960 could just cut the pathologist all the way out, and all of a 226 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,670 sudden, you don't have to have these uncomfortable 227 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:45,120 conversations anymore. You just feed the data into the system, 228 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,030 and the AI spits out the diagnosis, the pathology, 229 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:51,060 diagnosis and all and you know, and you're all good. And what's 230 00:13:51,060 --> 00:13:56,370 been lost is, is a full workup by human who knows how to read 231 00:13:56,370 --> 00:13:58,860 how to read this stuff and do it orally, medical history, 232 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,180 and along with, you know, we're not talking about artificial 233 00:14:03,180 --> 00:14:07,140 intelligence, we're talking about artificial art. That's 234 00:14:07,140 --> 00:14:10,200 what people are showing me. This is an art that's artificial. 235 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,260 This is writing, which is an art which is made artificially. This 236 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:17,310 is a voice which is artificial. It's just artificial. It's not 237 00:14:17,310 --> 00:14:21,480 even it's no it's it's no intelligence in this. Anyway, 238 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:25,410 when I hear predictions, oh, AI is going to move into 239 00:14:25,410 --> 00:14:31,440 podcasting. Blow me, no, no way. Go away. Now, my final 240 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:38,940 prediction of the two is ad based podcasting. advertise a 241 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:47,070 podcast who exists because of advertising, ie, you wouldn't do 242 00:14:47,070 --> 00:14:52,110 your show for free. So there's advertising in your life. These 243 00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:55,620 podcasts are going to suck more and more, because there'll be 244 00:14:55,620 --> 00:15:01,890 less and less of them because of safety and suitability. Safety 245 00:15:01,890 --> 00:15:08,010 and suitability. It went from brand safe to, I think, trust 246 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:12,660 and safety. And now we're at safety and suitability. And and 247 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:19,740 I have this information from pod news weekly. This is I think the 248 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:24,720 founder of an ad podcast, ad agency, I believe called 249 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,950 barometer Did you hear this particular interview? That's 250 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:31,860 the only thing I've heard from so far, I didn't have chance to 251 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:33,810 listen too much I have a clip? Well, what 252 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:37,230 we figured out is that we have a certain level of responsibility 253 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:42,960 for the environments we place our clients in. But sometimes we 254 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,350 limit that discussion to just what is said in the show. And as 255 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:50,130 it turns out, there can be a lot of challenges for brands that 256 00:15:50,130 --> 00:15:53,940 affiliate with a show that may be safe, but the host is not for 257 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:58,590 reasons that happen outside of the show. Oh, so we get a your 258 00:15:58,890 --> 00:15:59,670 emergency. 259 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:05,490 And I love actually, I heard James Cridland acting surprised. 260 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,770 I don't think he was even I think he was sincere 261 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,360 email that hosts were sponsoring was caught wearing a shirt that 262 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,720 said something controversial in the wild. And all of a sudden, 263 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,230 this is a topic. So if you thought that you're only 264 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:22,830 responsible for the show, you are not you are responsible for 265 00:16:22,830 --> 00:16:26,370 the behavior of that individual, to some people to some 266 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:28,920 stakeholders. And so really important that you get 267 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,040 visibility into that as well as what's in the show itself. 268 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:35,340 Wow. I mean, other other any examples that that that wearing 269 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:37,560 a shirt can't be a proper example, can it 270 00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:43,350 the second part of this, but this, of course happened on 271 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:47,550 Patreon. We saw this happen a while ago, and Patreon came on 272 00:16:47,550 --> 00:16:51,360 the scene as a value for value type proposition. But not 273 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,570 really, because you know, if you did something nasty on YouTube, 274 00:16:54,690 --> 00:16:57,330 then we're gonna throw you off Patreon. Because you are an 275 00:16:57,330 --> 00:17:00,960 undesirable. You're just not even if you have a wasn't even 276 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,690 in your podcast. So you were a guest on someone. This happened 277 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:07,230 several times where people were taken off Patreon for this 278 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:07,680 reason. 279 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,270 Yep, that's, I think that this might be the best. Like, what do 280 00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:18,930 you wanna call like the best evidence for why? It's fantastic 281 00:17:18,930 --> 00:17:23,100 that Twitter is imploding? Because if you can, you can do 282 00:17:23,130 --> 00:17:28,140 all of the if Twitter if not Facebook, not anything. If only 283 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:32,490 Twitter did not exist, there would be absolutely nothing. 284 00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:36,660 Here, there would been there would be no story, there would 285 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:41,010 be no brand safety. It's all a bunch of Twitter nonsense. Like 286 00:17:41,010 --> 00:17:44,580 it's the Twitter mob in the Twitter mob is like creaky and 287 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:48,480 cracking. Now, as they get splintered into the diaspora it 288 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:54,270 like this, all of these things begin and end on Twitter. And I 289 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:57,030 for 1am Glad to see the whole thing just kind of crumble, 290 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,380 because it's dumb. I think Todd Todd Cochran is right. He says, 291 00:18:01,410 --> 00:18:05,850 you know, he's been railing on brand safety, algorithmic brand 292 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:08,280 safety and that kind of thing for a while. And his point has 293 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,290 been, it's just targeting, it's targeting under a different 294 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:19,620 it's, it's, it's ad targeting under a under the guise versus 295 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:20,040 brands. 296 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:22,860 It's reverse ad targeting is what it is. 297 00:18:23,910 --> 00:18:25,590 Yeah, it was you're literally, 298 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:29,040 you're not you're not targeting to an individual group. You're 299 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,620 saying we've pared down the group? Here you go. 300 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,730 Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's a it's a fill its filters. Yeah. 301 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,340 Yeah, exactly. You want to hear this? The second part here is 302 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:39,690 one rod lifts up. 303 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:42,720 Yeah. No, that's a real example. Absolutely. Yeah, there was a 304 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:49,290 podcaster, who wore a shirt that didn't make any sense to me. Not 305 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:51,390 something I would have recommended that they were but 306 00:18:51,390 --> 00:18:54,030 they were wearing it and someone snapped a picture. Somebody put 307 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:58,320 it on the internet and Twitter was a blaze. So it's not the 308 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,610 only example. We have a truly people trend for all sorts of 309 00:19:02,610 --> 00:19:05,580 reasons people get upset with a personality for all types of 310 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:09,420 reasons. And, you know, I think in the early days, we might have 311 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:13,800 imagined that it was exclusively about what sit on air and then 312 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,900 their personal life as their personal life. But we don't live 313 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:20,190 in that world anymore. Oh, and so that's not to say that we 314 00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:24,270 advocate for disassociating with programs because of every 315 00:19:24,270 --> 00:19:27,930 behavior that a talent is accused of conducting or 316 00:19:27,930 --> 00:19:32,520 conducts. But but it's helpful to be aware of it. So sponsors 317 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,390 and listeners, I can be eyes wide open with their 318 00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:38,160 affiliations and what they're consuming. 319 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:43,950 So it's fine. You know, I don't mind. Everybody can do whatever 320 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:47,280 they want to do. But you just need to be aware of the fact 321 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,670 that this is basically mainstream media. This is what I 322 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:54,780 lived with, for most of my entire life, but certainly half 323 00:19:54,780 --> 00:20:00,510 of my professional life is the context the morality clause. And 324 00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:04,770 you even have I was offered a book deal for, for my book 325 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:08,310 morality clause. Now I'm not interested I'm not interested 326 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:14,310 morality clause that's, that's when you become the slave. And 327 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:19,560 I'm drawing the Express analogy to Kanye, or even Prince, if you 328 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,740 want to take it to that level, when they have you by the balls 329 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:26,040 like that where you cannot behave the way you Dave 330 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,790 Chappelle, where you cannot behave the way you want to who 331 00:20:29,790 --> 00:20:34,770 you are as a full person in your full self. Because they will 332 00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:39,900 hold that over you and all it takes is a to n. Twitter mob, 333 00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:43,050 I'm not necessarily going to agree that it's only because of 334 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:47,130 the Twitter mob. This is this is everywhere, in life in general, 335 00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:51,000 but it is the virality flowing through the Twitter and believe 336 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,870 me, Twitter's not falling apart. That's a whole nother 337 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:57,990 discussion, but it's not falling apart, it's going to be 338 00:20:58,020 --> 00:21:01,890 something else. And you're not going to have this much fun or 339 00:21:01,890 --> 00:21:10,620 that we used to have. But this this idea of being captured in 340 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:13,710 the advertising model is something I would like you 341 00:21:13,710 --> 00:21:18,360 anyone to consider carefully before you get into it. Because 342 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,300 the worst thing that can happen is you're successful believe me. 343 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,600 So what's the prediction? You This is a you had this as your 344 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,910 prediction was? Where's the what's the what are you 345 00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:27,510 predicting 346 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:33,450 death and destruction? Saddam Sodom and Gomorrah of the ad 347 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:36,240 based business now I put my prediction was it's going to be 348 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,050 boring. It's gonna be boring. It was it was gonna be boring. And 349 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:42,780 one has to be boring. Don't wear don't wear that crazy kooky t 350 00:21:42,780 --> 00:21:49,380 shirt. No, no this and that, that is now being baked into 351 00:21:50,250 --> 00:21:58,410 into the industry. Now people, I just feel so so bad of the hoax, 352 00:21:58,620 --> 00:22:01,380 that there's an actual ad industry and the people are 353 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:05,160 making lots of money. It's not this very small groups, I think 354 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:08,430 very, very small groups. Look, if Spotify can't even make 355 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:15,570 money, the 600 pound gorilla. They can't even make it work. 356 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:18,780 Where's the ad business? 357 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,880 Right say I wrote down on Monday, December 2023. Adam 358 00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:25,440 content will be boring. 359 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:30,420 Ad based content will be boring ad bed based ad based content. 360 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,420 Meanwhile, everybody else live in value for value is having a 361 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:37,380 good time we got the champagne we Okay. Okay. It's more like 362 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:40,830 Prosecco. But you know what we got Prosecco. And we're having a 363 00:22:40,830 --> 00:22:41,670 good time. 364 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,240 We do this why Zinfandel? 365 00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:49,350 Exactly. We don't we don't need your crystal. Okay, because 366 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:53,010 we're free men and women here. We're free. We're free to do as 367 00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:57,000 we wish, no one can tell us what to do. And we're supported. And 368 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,590 we're loved at any given moment, by the SAT streamers. 369 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:09,240 The mic, I think my example to Sam was HTML. And II, like, I've 370 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,320 got this folder that I keep around this got a bunch of old 371 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:16,170 web browsers and every every now and then just for a kick, I'll 372 00:23:16,170 --> 00:23:17,790 just go like fire him up. Now that's 373 00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:20,460 doing runs on your machine. And if to run that, in a virtual 374 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:21,030 machine, 375 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:26,670 does it runs like I've got a copy of IE one? No, it's just 376 00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:29,610 it's a single executable in that funny. I mean, it's like a 377 00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:32,670 single one meg executable. You just double click it and it 378 00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:36,330 fires up. I mean, like, you can't do anything. But HTML one, 379 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:41,310 HTML two. They had like seven tags. No, yeah. Oh, yeah. You 380 00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:43,320 know, it was like it was like nothing. But 381 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,650 back in the day. Well, that was that was JavaScript. 382 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:53,310 You will, when you first saw those early web pages, you had 383 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:58,290 to think okay, you here's companies like Adobe, over here 384 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,730 that are that are behind things like postscript. And you have to 385 00:24:02,730 --> 00:24:08,520 imagine that they looked at the early web and they were like so 386 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:14,430 stupid that you can't Are you telling me that thing is going 387 00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:19,800 to take over our industry? Oh, like, that's the reaction. 388 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:24,480 I'll take you one further. Craigslist was very clear. 389 00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:29,790 What's his name new mark. Craig. But anyway, Craig knew. Yeah. He 390 00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:34,530 he went to all the big publishing houses and said, and 391 00:24:34,530 --> 00:24:40,620 most famously, what's the what's the one in Chicago? The 392 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:41,910 Chicago publishing his 393 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,850 Publishers Clearing House. Whatever it was, they said, Hey, 394 00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:49,860 we're going to take away your business. You should probably 395 00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:53,490 buy us now. You know, for like, and no, it was Hearst. Actually 396 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,400 no, I've heard the story from will Hearst. Yeah, you should. 397 00:24:56,430 --> 00:25:00,120 You should buy us now for like $5 million in that one. It's 398 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,320 true because the business model of newspapers was classified 399 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,030 ads, that's where they made the money. 400 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:08,490 And then when they left him out of the room, yeah. 401 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:15,060 And later, later, they came back to screw him with. With that bet 402 00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:20,220 with that. What was the back page, the back page Backpage 403 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:23,070 legislation that you know, you couldn't have, you have to vet 404 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:27,390 every single personal ad and so they basically put Craigslist 405 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:30,330 out of business, which he could have seen coming to. 406 00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:36,810 So that's my, been my prediction for the slow march forward of 407 00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:40,770 podcasting. 2.0 is bait is based on that, you know, this, it's 408 00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:45,150 easy to look over here and say things like, up. Nobody wants 409 00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:49,710 this crap. You know, and no, like, who cares about comments, 410 00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:53,700 and you put in your podcast app and bobble in are so easy. Look, 411 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,850 yes. Look at my spear look at Spotify. It's perfect. It's a 412 00:25:56,850 --> 00:26:01,050 full stack. Integrated, we know when you're in your car? Well, I 413 00:26:01,050 --> 00:26:02,190 know and all this kind of stuff. 414 00:26:02,610 --> 00:26:05,640 And I have to remind people, you know, software is hard. It's 415 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:13,620 hard to do so. And when I see someone posting well with a 416 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:16,770 fountain app is going to be glitchy of dump at switch to 417 00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:22,140 another app. Don't do that? Don't be a dick. Do you have 418 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:25,170 anything nice to say then? Don't say anything at all? It's not 419 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,550 easy. 420 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,500 No, but then you look back, don't you look back in a few 421 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,710 years. And it's going to be you'll see clearly the 422 00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:39,930 transition point. When things begin, I will combine I'm going 423 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:44,400 to do I'm going to do a trickier kind of I'm going to combine my 424 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,640 prediction with your prediction to make a third prediction. Oh, 425 00:26:47,639 --> 00:26:51,089 it's a mega prediction. It's meta meta prediction. Here we 426 00:26:51,089 --> 00:26:52,619 go. Here we go. Yes, yes. 427 00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:58,380 The the ad based content business will become boring, 428 00:26:58,830 --> 00:27:03,720 which will drive people away from boring content and 429 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:07,830 therefore increase the pressure to come out with cool features 430 00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:11,730 to bring people back to content which will further podcasting 431 00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:15,330 2.0 which will create and make content even better. The pod 432 00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:16,530 sage has spoken 433 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,750 all I had man and just pulling stuff up again. 434 00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:30,240 Yes, this is a this is a grant. This is a great thing. This is a 435 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,890 grant prediction, more ad based content. More brand safe, more 436 00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:39,270 brand safety and suitability. Yes, since shoot ha man I'm 437 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:43,170 gonna write this down these horrible things, say shoot 438 00:27:43,170 --> 00:27:47,250 ability. Suitability, suitability what how many? How 439 00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:51,120 do you base suitability AI will take care of it. Don't worry. 440 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:58,140 The this is it. So I guess on the same topic, a little bit 441 00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:01,830 because the here's the chick from the Brookings Institute. 442 00:28:02,910 --> 00:28:05,730 The anti podcast lady. Yeah, the 443 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:06,480 anti POCUS 444 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:10,290 issue back with another another article. 445 00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:13,470 No, no, no, no, no, but I heard it. She's not she's not bad. The 446 00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:15,150 last one was, the last one 447 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:18,510 was late. It was late. It was yeah, that was obvious. And that 448 00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:20,790 wasn't obvious, just like sucking up to some political 449 00:28:20,790 --> 00:28:21,480 bullcrap. 450 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:27,720 I only got mad once. And so I'm like, This is stupid. But I've 451 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,720 got a I've got a clip. And this is just so we're all on the same 452 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,760 page about what the Brookings Institution itself is. This is 453 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,480 an old an old lecture by Jeff Tucker, back when he was at the 454 00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:49,080 early days of the Mises Institute in Auburn. And he's 455 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,590 talking about he spent time in Washington. I don't remember 456 00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:54,990 what I don't remember exactly what he did there. But he spent 457 00:28:54,990 --> 00:29:00,030 time in DC. And he's this the larger speech is called 458 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:05,220 Washington warp. It's like how the culture of Washington DC 459 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:08,910 basically just changes you and morphs you into some other 460 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:13,170 creature than you were when you got there. Oh, yeah. And so this 461 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,510 but he in here he drops, a little nugget about the origins 462 00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:19,620 of the Brookings Institution, 463 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:24,540 provide the Progressive Era, new rationales for state power has 464 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,570 grown and become far more sophisticated. Now the 465 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:30,720 government needed to exist and expand the pursuit of a social 466 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,260 science in the name of government management. That's 467 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:39,120 the phrase public policy for the first time was born. And what is 468 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,420 this thing called public policy? It was supposed to be some third 469 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:45,810 path beyond pure scholarship and, and mere political 470 00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:48,840 agitation. Its purpose was to put a smooth and respectable 471 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,400 glass on a power grab to achieve social management in the name of 472 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,240 science. And the nation's first think tank, in fact, was founded 473 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,140 in the height of the progressive era in 1916. As the Institute 474 00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:03,810 for government research, it was initially funded entirely by the 475 00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:06,660 Rockefeller Foundation to carry out the dreams of the Ivy League 476 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:10,890 political science profession for scientific public policy. Here's 477 00:30:10,890 --> 00:30:14,100 how the Institute for government research came about. And 478 00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:17,190 President William Howard Taft administration, group of these 479 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:20,070 broad progressive political science and municipal reformers. 480 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:23,340 were charged with a way of coming up with improving data 481 00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:26,820 collection techniques data collection as a function of the 482 00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:30,540 modern state commission recommended that Congress form a 483 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:33,510 consolidated information and statistical arm of the entire 484 00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:36,960 national government that's at the heart of this statistic farm 485 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,150 would be the budget division that would present a quote 486 00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:41,400 annual program of business for the federal government to be 487 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,660 financed by Congress. A bill was drafted and went to Congress but 488 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:49,050 Congress said no way and deep six the whole idea on grounds 489 00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:52,500 that it seemed absurdly socialistic, disgruntled members 490 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,360 of the committee set up the Institute for government 491 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,650 research. And later a certain St. Louis industrialist, an 492 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:01,950 educator took over the job of financing it, his name was 493 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640 Robert S. Brookings. After him, the Institute for government 494 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,340 research was eventually renamed to become the Brookings 495 00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:11,130 Institution. Now, the reason I tell the story, the Brookings 496 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:15,060 Institution is show that that the the relationship between the 497 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:17,730 think tank in Washington and the government has always been 498 00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:21,540 intensely close, it can't really be any other way. That's always 499 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:25,680 been the function of public policy research institutes. And 500 00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:30,000 and some extent that well, to a very large extent that survives 501 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,060 to today. The story of Mr. Brookings itself is fascinating 502 00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,670 in its own right, and World War One, he was called to Washington 503 00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:38,070 to be the commissioner of finished products and Chairman 504 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:41,940 of the price fixing committee and the War Industries Board. In 505 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:45,390 short, it was a he was a central planner on a totalitarian model, 506 00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:49,410 a man who hope that many more could follow him and enjoy the 507 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:51,900 thrill of fixing other people's prices and running the economy 508 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:52,560 into the ground. 509 00:31:53,490 --> 00:31:57,840 Right. So this, this makes total sense. Of course, this is why 510 00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:02,220 the Brookings Institute institution that wants to have 511 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,240 some kind of moderation policy for podcasts because they can't 512 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,850 control the message in podcasting, which was pretty 513 00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:12,450 much our mission statement. I think we in fact, at one time 514 00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:15,270 wrote down make sure government can't fuck with us was not a 515 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:16,320 part of the mission statement. 516 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,370 Remember that? It sounds like some food, right? Explain 517 00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:22,740 Jeff Tucker, for people who have never heard of him. 518 00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:26,760 Yeah, Jeff Tucker, he was the he may have been the first 519 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,010 president of the Mises Institute in Auburn, it's in his he goes 520 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:37,050 back to this era when the Mises Institute is an Austrian 521 00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:41,250 Austrian economy, basically an Austrian economics Think Tank. 522 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:45,630 And they got offered, if I'm, if I remember the story correctly, 523 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:51,540 when when Tucker was was leading that group, they got offered to, 524 00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:56,340 I think it was by the Koch, Koch brothers, if I'm not mistaken, 525 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:04,110 they got offered to be well funded millions of dollars in 526 00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:09,210 funding, this was maybe back in the early 90s. But the one 527 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:14,550 caveat was they had to move their, their facilities to DC. 528 00:33:15,270 --> 00:33:20,730 And they in the Mises Institute said, No thanks. Not doing it. 529 00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:24,270 We're staying we're staying with as soon as we move to DC, we're 530 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:26,850 going to lose all of our principles. We're going to we're 531 00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:31,560 going to forget who we are that sorry, they turned down millions 532 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,460 of dollars basically a free ride a gravy train on based on 533 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,820 principle and that all pretty, you know, pretty much was under 534 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:42,750 Tucker's leadership. That's the guy he is so I mean, you know 535 00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:45,960 may you may not agree with everything that he thinks but he 536 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,070 is a person of principle. 537 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:55,200 So here's this is interesting that you bring this up so I'll 538 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,260 just give you my my Twitter pitch because this flows right 539 00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,140 into it because Twitter would be exactly the platform that he was 540 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:04,530 talking about, but the Brookings Institution would be involved in 541 00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:08,850 and this is perfect for you know, canceling shadow banning 542 00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:11,910 whatever whatever kind of control you know, obfuscation 543 00:34:11,910 --> 00:34:15,270 all of it, but it was kind of funny to see on my I have a 544 00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:19,860 private little Mastodon instance that I run just to subscribe to 545 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:23,280 people so that I have no noise just all the signal and all the 546 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,300 journalists are just outraged. I can't believe about about 547 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,460 Twitter policy you know, it's like they've always been 548 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:32,970 blocking, obfuscating. Nothing's really changed. It's well it 549 00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:35,670 perception is it's shifted but doesn't matter. I just want to 550 00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:39,960 point out this is all distraction. This is all a big 551 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,450 smokescreen while everybody is running around with their heads 552 00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:45,660 cut off. The stack that's being implemented is payment 553 00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:50,340 authentication. Twitter has applied for a processing 554 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:54,330 license, they in essence will become a bank. Elon Musk wants 555 00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:58,020 you to put money into Twitter and Twitter will give you 556 00:34:58,020 --> 00:35:00,990 interest payments so it'd be like a month The market account. 557 00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:05,790 So wants to run all of your finances, this is why it doesn't 558 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:10,680 matter at all, how much he charges for the Twitter blue. 559 00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:14,100 That is it is about authenticating you with 560 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:18,330 payments, authenticating with payments is very critical, 561 00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:21,810 because then you can get a monthly confirmation that your 562 00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:25,710 data is still valid your address, etc. In addition to 563 00:35:25,710 --> 00:35:30,780 that, if you've noticed, there's a big policy around your screen 564 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:35,580 name. So if you have, if you have a blue, then it has, it has 565 00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:39,840 to be your name. Now, you may, you may be able to put in there 566 00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:42,240 that you're with a certain organization, but it will be 567 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:49,620 your name. So it's a lot less fun to troll and, and mess with 568 00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:55,020 people, when your name is your real name. And your data is who 569 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:59,670 you are, is traceable, easily traceable, because there are 570 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:06,570 free speech or not there are laws against slander and, and 571 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:12,720 other tort laws. So it's going to be parents scuze. Me, it's 572 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,830 going to be it's going to take all the fun out of it. But it 573 00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:21,420 will and this is what I believe he's betting on is he will have 574 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:26,460 the two things that are necessary. For the central bank, 575 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:29,820 digital currency, wherever the world goes, in the future, you 576 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:33,210 will have the digital ID and the payment mechanism with the 577 00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:36,570 appropriate licensing and oversight to do it. And it's not 578 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:38,730 going to be Dogecoin and it's certainly not going to be 579 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:41,820 Bitcoin or lightning and stop wishing that he's going to do 580 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:44,850 podcasting 2.0 Because it's not going to happen. Go look at 581 00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:47,280 WeChat that's what he's building. That's what he's 582 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,030 always said he wanted to build, and everyone is distracted by 583 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:54,600 this free speech thing, which you're gonna get exactly what 584 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:57,480 what you asked for it will be free speech, but you won't be 585 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,880 able to hide behind any fake name or pseudonym. So the fun 586 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:04,260 will go will die. 587 00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:15,210 This all the brands, brand safety, content moderation. Ai, 588 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,440 they all feed into the AI you know, you heard in that pod news 589 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,290 weekly interview, they're talking about their AI and their 590 00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:25,830 product and they can do all this stuff. It all goes back to this 591 00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:31,140 AI which is essential, which is just skip logic is yes, it is 592 00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:33,060 skipped in COBOL. 593 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,830 Exactly, you could you can run it on as 400. I'm not impressed. 594 00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:43,890 But that all goes back to data collection. It's all about data 595 00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:47,280 collection. And that's what that's what the Brookings 596 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,820 Institute that's what these places do is data collection, 597 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:55,080 that this it's not a it's just running algorithms over over a 598 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,790 data set. That's not how intelligence works. That's not 599 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:06,000 intelligence know, that. One of my favorite, philosophical, 600 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:11,280 probably a person whose philosophy I've built. Most of 601 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,580 my own philosophy on that is at least metaphysically is 602 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:19,920 Gottfried Leibniz. And he's, you could call him a disciple of 603 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,780 Descartes. But he really had a lot of his own thinking he just 604 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:28,530 sort of fits into that mold. Because his, you know, he's 605 00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:32,100 essentially a substance duelist but he's not making that his 606 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:36,360 thinking. A substance duelist you gotta you gotta get Yeah, 607 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,720 well, like, 608 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,960 you know, it's you have a physical it's that you have the 609 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,990 physical world and then the spiritual world, and they're in 610 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:46,830 there two different substances. They're there. They're two 611 00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:51,480 independent, independent things, you don't have a it's not a it's 612 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,810 not a unity. And so he, you know, he, one of my favorite 613 00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:01,380 things he wrote was this, I think they call it the mill 614 00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:05,760 argument. So his, it goes like this. It's a, you know, 615 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,930 philosophers like to do thought experiments and possible world 616 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:17,370 scenarios, of course. So he says, it's like, imagine that 617 00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:21,810 you have a machine and this machine can think, or whatever 618 00:39:21,810 --> 00:39:26,880 that means. And so he thinks of it like a mill. He says, Okay, 619 00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:32,940 imagine that. Did you have this, you know, this mill and you blow 620 00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:36,660 it up big enough to where you can walk into it and see all the 621 00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:41,400 parts. You can see the wheels pushing on on other wheels and 622 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,420 the gears and all these things that make the mill function? He 623 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:49,920 said, No, no, take no, do that. Same. That same thing. Take bit 624 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,650 now take the brain and imagine the functioning of the brain, 625 00:39:55,650 --> 00:40:01,740 whatever you think that looks like. Extreme below it. up large 626 00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:04,920 enough to where you could walk inside of it and look around. 627 00:40:05,850 --> 00:40:11,310 What would you see? What would you see that represents that is? 628 00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:18,390 That is the thinking that is happening. You can't envision 629 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,420 the push, I think he's calls it the pushing and pulling of 630 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:27,360 mechanisms and parts that create what we know as thinking. It's 631 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,660 not 632 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:35,700 trying to get their brother. Good. 633 00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:43,440 And the reason is because thoughts and perceptions are 634 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,100 different from representation. So you can say, a perception and 635 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,610 a representation, a perception of a thing, and a representation 636 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:54,720 of a thing or are different. The perception of a thing a thought, 637 00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:58,500 it's a single, it's a singular, it's a single thing, it's a 638 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:03,990 unity. You can't subdivide it into lesser parts. But 639 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:08,640 everything else that then including AI, in these things 640 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,740 that pretend to be intelligence, you can always subdivide them 641 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:18,180 into smaller, smaller components. That's physics. I 642 00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:20,910 slipped perception is not physics. Perception is 643 00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:26,670 metaphysics. They are thoughts and ideas, and, and intellectual 644 00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:31,650 objects are all singular way he called a monads are things that 645 00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:34,740 cannot be subdivided into smaller parts. I mean, if they 646 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:35,310 represent a 647 00:41:35,819 --> 00:41:36,779 book that you sent me, 648 00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:41,340 Oh, no. That's a different book. 649 00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:45,780 I'm digging it all though. I'm digging it. I hate what you're 650 00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:46,200 saying. 651 00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:48,900 But this is the only reason I bring this up. This is important 652 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:54,210 to remember because this is all the artificial intent. Like, I 653 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:56,340 recently watched that thing with John Carmack, this interview 654 00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:58,680 this Lex Friedman interview with Carmack, I think we may have 655 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,260 played a clip. And he's real bit him. He's just so high on this 656 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:08,400 idea that we're gonna figure out intelligence man, we're gonna 657 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,520 it's just gonna be so simple. And we're gonna have a general 658 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,500 intelligence engine. And that's not the way this works. This is 659 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,830 the one this is why metaphysics Trumps physics every single 660 00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:24,570 time. The physics gets you so far, and then it just stops and 661 00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:28,740 you're stuck. And if you can't go, if you can't understand the 662 00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:31,230 metaphysics, you're just you're just at a wall and you'll never, 663 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,200 you'll never get there. No matter how smart you are. I 664 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,160 think we need to keep that in mind. 665 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,990 I have. I have high school intelligence. And that's about 666 00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:42,330 all I got. The rest is from the streets of Amsterdam and New 667 00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:42,840 York. 668 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,640 The streets of hipsters, and all over the for the canal. That's 669 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,960 right, the old and the old streets of London as well. All I 670 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,010 know is that I can spot AI from a mile away, especially when 671 00:42:56,010 --> 00:43:00,330 it's art. Any form of art. It's insulting that even okay, I 672 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:00,990 posted this and 673 00:43:00,990 --> 00:43:03,960 that's okay. That's why I brought it up that I'm glad you 674 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,500 said that. This is why I brought this art this sometimes I bring 675 00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:12,240 stuff up and I'm not sure exactly why this book because 676 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,890 it's important to remember those things. Even when it we get to 677 00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:21,390 the point where you can't spot the difference. When we get to 678 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:26,490 that point, it doesn't mean that that that intelligence has been 679 00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:32,910 achieved it still this thing because the intelligence is does 680 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:38,430 not fit the description of what intelligence actually is. Pa 681 00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:46,440 doesn't hurt what I can still 682 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:50,280 say yeah, I just gave you a swift kick to the going. 683 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:55,500 Oh my goodness. Okay, well, that was the sorry that was worrying. 684 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:59,670 No, it wasn't it was deep. But it's okay because now comments 685 00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:03,180 your blog. Hey, if you if you disagree with with the pod sage, 686 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:07,080 boost us boost us with your grievance. All your grievances. 687 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,550 We want to hear them please. 688 00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:14,940 But I did bring something that I think will it is your favorite 689 00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:17,970 topic. Okay. Stats, 690 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:22,410 we yay. Hello. Well, actually, we did have a little 691 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:28,260 conversation about stats. We had a back room meeting. Should I 692 00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:29,940 tell people about our Back Room meeting? 693 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,180 hoping I was hoping that you would do this? Yes. 694 00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:39,420 As you know, I've had very little affinity with statistics 695 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,990 of who's whose podcast app is is on the leader. And because all I 696 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:49,320 hear is everyone's podcast is number one. That's an every 697 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,500 everyone has a list where their podcasts are number one, so I I 698 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,250 put very little faith or any anything and these are never 699 00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:58,620 podcasts I'm interested in listening to interestingly 700 00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:05,220 enough now Um, so I, you know, I think I contributed 70% of the 701 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:10,950 data in the OP three system. Everywhere we can and we are 702 00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:14,310 contributing data, I don't really get much back. And then 703 00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:17,250 you gave me a statistic which I liked, which was, hey, because 704 00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:20,040 we changed a few things are Thank you very much. You saved 705 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,320 me now. 30 minutes per no agenda show, certainly. And probably 706 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,820 for most others by adding the web hook and, and moving the no 707 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:32,970 agenda feed out of a horrible cash situation. 708 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,610 Now you're going to you're going to say what we did or you want 709 00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:37,230 me to tell it? Yeah, yeah. Just 710 00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:39,930 can you do it in a little shorter than done the whole AI 711 00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:40,200 thing? 712 00:45:42,510 --> 00:45:49,680 Man, Merry Christmas to me. Thanks. Good. Okay, let's see. 713 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,410 Short, short, short. Okay. We moved, Adam is now uploading his 714 00:45:55,410 --> 00:46:00,360 feed to a CDN that we control, which is in object storage, 715 00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:06,030 which behind CloudFlare, and the the normal Feed URL for no 716 00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:10,620 agenda is just a 302 redirect to that URL. Okay, go. 717 00:46:11,970 --> 00:46:16,080 Which is great, because now I don't have to do everything by 718 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,150 hand and literally wait until the cache on the RSS feed is 719 00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:25,320 done for to hit the pod pings all this stuff. So it's 720 00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:28,590 beautiful. 30 minutes is a big deal in my life, when you can 721 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:31,710 remove that off of production pre or post or combined. 722 00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:34,350 You showed me your pre post checklist. And it was 723 00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:35,370 ridiculous. I 724 00:46:35,399 --> 00:46:41,339 did that. So I don't mess something up. So anyway, so this 725 00:46:41,339 --> 00:46:45,299 now put us in the, because we don't run any stats on that. And 726 00:46:45,299 --> 00:46:51,389 so now we have Cloudflare cloud, yeah, Cloudflare stats, and you 727 00:46:51,389 --> 00:46:54,659 said, Oh, man, the no agenda feed has been checked over 728 00:46:54,659 --> 00:46:59,339 10,000 times in the last hour, lol. And I'm like, Hey, let's 729 00:46:59,339 --> 00:47:05,279 track who because everyone who's using pod ping is not wasteful. 730 00:47:05,279 --> 00:47:07,859 Because you get the you get the pod pin, you know, and you don't 731 00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:11,489 need to pull my feed. So why don't we use the statistics for 732 00:47:11,489 --> 00:47:16,769 something other than podcast consultants and you know, people 733 00:47:16,769 --> 00:47:19,559 who just want to know how their own companies are doing, I want 734 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,379 something for me. Finally, here's a stat I want so I can 735 00:47:22,379 --> 00:47:26,519 name and shame the people who are killing our Earth with an 736 00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:30,629 unnecessary, unnecessary polling of feeds. And I asked, I think I 737 00:47:30,629 --> 00:47:33,929 asked, is it just head requests? Are they pulling in the whole 738 00:47:33,929 --> 00:47:39,059 feed? I'd like to have a metric so we can see how much energy 739 00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:42,449 will well we'll boil it right back down to true energy, or 740 00:47:42,449 --> 00:47:46,709 these platforms or apps or organizations wasting and I'm 741 00:47:46,709 --> 00:47:50,969 going to have a personal blacklist, which I will publish. 742 00:47:51,299 --> 00:47:54,179 I will publish and we'll give annual awards are going to have 743 00:47:54,179 --> 00:47:58,739 an award, which I will try and get into the the Podcast Awards. 744 00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:00,240 I lent it killer award. 745 00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:04,920 Yes, the planet killers of the Year award in podcasting. And 746 00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:07,860 I'm hoping that maybe you have some data for us today. 747 00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:13,200 I do have some data. The biggest planet killer by far is podcast 748 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:13,830 addict. 749 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:18,240 Wow. Okay. In 12 750 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:24,930 hours yesterday. Podcast attic pulled the feed 13,000 751 00:48:25,529 --> 00:48:28,829 The actual feed not just a head request, but a full full Paul. 752 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:34,020 I didn't go that far. I just I'm just showing purely checks. I 753 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:34,650 don't 754 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,650 know. Versus because that'll make a big difference, won't it? 755 00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:44,850 Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Will. The sea antenna pod checked 756 00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:52,050 2.6 1000 times. So 2600 times podcast guru Jason coming in 757 00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:55,260 hot. With 979 758 00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:58,920 the wrong way around. You got we already blew the number one. 759 00:48:58,950 --> 00:49:00,630 Okay. All right. So 760 00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:03,450 I supposed to go bottom up. That's okay. It's okay. 761 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,580 I'll cut it out. No one will ever know. Start at the bottom. 762 00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:10,080 Right. 763 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:20,970 Oddly enough, overcast was very low 214 times in one hour. So 764 00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:23,490 that's in one hour and then it No, not in one hour. Now. This 765 00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:24,240 isn't 12 hours. 766 00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:27,240 Oh 12 hours? Well, because overcast, they probably he has 767 00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:30,720 an algo running. It's like oh, publish around this day wrong 768 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:36,480 this time, because I know he has that. The AI today. I know. I 769 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,600 think that's mL mL mL that fit into the AI. All right. Okay, 770 00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:47,700 good. Well done overcast and a gold star gold star for Marco. 771 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,420 All right. 772 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,630 I would like to say that for I looked for the podcast index 773 00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,770 aggregator and it didn't show up on the list. 774 00:49:59,010 --> 00:50:00,300 We have podcast In 775 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:05,040 this right you know how many times we hold hands in 12 hours 776 00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:06,120 00 times. 777 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,240 All right. Okay, so zero it's overcast with 214 which is very 778 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:09,630 low 779 00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,830 luminary that 424. 780 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,910 Can luminary even even play my podcast? 781 00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:22,320 I don't even know what I didn't even know. eliminare was an app. 782 00:50:22,590 --> 00:50:24,060 I thought it was a production company. 783 00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:27,480 Maybe nearing the probably stealing my content. Okay, next. 784 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,900 putting ads in there. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw cast 785 00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,290 ematic out of this list, because Casta Matic is owned as on 786 00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:40,590 device. So they have no choice. He has no choice, they have to 787 00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:44,040 do it this way. It's on device. So there's no central server 788 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,200 polling. It's just like, whenever somebody opens the app, 789 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,250 he's got a check. Franco a go a pass. 790 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,810 But hold on a second. How does that work? Then? In the future? 791 00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:00,660 Will apps be able to just access pod ping? Or is not the way it 792 00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:04,380 should be done? Just go and say what's updated? Look at? I mean, 793 00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:07,200 how will that run in the future? If it's on device? If you have 794 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,800 no central server? Getting you can't use pod ping? 795 00:51:11,759 --> 00:51:15,839 Now, I think we're we're working on that that is that's gonna be 796 00:51:16,439 --> 00:51:20,309 that's gonna be a future phase. Is this is to make is to make 797 00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:23,699 this accessible, easy, more easily accessible to the, to the 798 00:51:23,699 --> 00:51:27,089 apps where they don't have to have servers. For now, they're, 799 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,759 they're stuck. Okay, we're getting we're getting we're 800 00:51:29,759 --> 00:51:33,659 getting there that we're gonna there's a bunch of browsers and 801 00:51:33,659 --> 00:51:36,089 stuff in here that I have to just think these are fake. 802 00:51:37,289 --> 00:51:42,629 Because it's just like browser, like, I mean, is Mozilla. I 803 00:51:42,629 --> 00:51:46,079 mean, it's Firefox checking you 3000 tosses can't be right. It 804 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,509 has to be like fake scrapers or something. 805 00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:50,700 Maybe I don't know. 806 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:56,310 But okay, so that's, that's the that's the the list there of 807 00:51:56,310 --> 00:52:02,070 people of how many times people pull you. But then you have this 808 00:52:02,070 --> 00:52:05,010 is this is just sort of a side thing. You know, that overcast 809 00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:09,750 does this interesting thing, where he puts in the user agent, 810 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:14,460 how many subscribers your feed has? Hmm. So in his user agent, 811 00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:19,500 there's a in parentheses, it says, X number of subscribers. 812 00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:23,250 So you can find out how many people are following you on 813 00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:26,100 overcast by just looking at the FA user agent. And so 814 00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,800 what does that say for me? Did you did you find how many 815 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,760 subscribers I have 816 00:52:30,030 --> 00:52:33,570 7786. And only 817 00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:37,800 14 accesses interesting. So just doing it smartly? Yeah. 818 00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:44,370 So now there's 707 8707 or 86? No, Jenna subscribers on 819 00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:48,720 overcast. And if you look at pretty much every stat chart, 820 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,450 you can find bus routes a good representative. It's all 821 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,200 overcast always appears to be about 1% of the total. How about 822 00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:02,910 that? About 800? Yeah, 823 00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:07,320 that kind of is what we've been thinking. Right? Right. Like a 824 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,530 million a million and a half per week. I think it's what we came 825 00:53:10,530 --> 00:53:15,360 up with about seven 800,000 subscribers. Wow. Cool. Podcast. 826 00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:21,450 That still is a meaningless number by the way. 827 00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:30,870 Go podcast. Go podcast. I feel good about myself. I love one 828 00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:35,370 day when when James Cridland says my law that's a big podcast 829 00:53:35,370 --> 00:53:39,030 that no agenda that's big podcasts. That's right. That's 830 00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:40,710 right. Look at my big one over here. 831 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,830 This this you know what? This brings up a separate thing 832 00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:47,160 though. 833 00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:50,490 You haven't finished the list? You haven't finished? We 834 00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:54,540 haven't? I did. Okay, then after that. So then it's a 835 00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:59,520 podcast. Everything else was just a an estrus cast, and then 836 00:53:59,520 --> 00:53:59,880 it's 837 00:54:01,290 --> 00:54:06,210 into antenna pod. And what was the worst podcast? 838 00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:09,870 Podcast addict? Yeah. Wow. But you know, 839 00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:12,810 but where's apple? I don't understand. Where's apple in 840 00:54:12,810 --> 00:54:16,770 this where Spotify? They no one on Apple listens to my show? 841 00:54:17,340 --> 00:54:17,760 Well, you 842 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,670 mean your show shows up late on Apple anyway? And maybe because 843 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:22,440 they're not taking the mainframe much. 844 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:25,680 Do they show up at all in the list of checking the feed? 845 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:30,060 I'm not seeing anything on here that shows apple. So this was 846 00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:31,440 before you publish? Yeah. 847 00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:33,960 I don't I don't know. This must be all on device. 848 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,350 I don't know. I don't know. 849 00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:41,700 If I can't shame apple. What's the point of my list? 850 00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:44,940 Okay, I'll come back next week with a new list that has apple 851 00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:46,080 firmly at the top. 852 00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:49,830 Thank you. That's the way lists are made when we do PR. Okay. 853 00:54:49,830 --> 00:54:51,960 Good work. Good work, Dave. Thank you. 854 00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:54,660 Well, I don't I don't work for Brookings. So I didn't know what 855 00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:58,740 my marching orders were in advance. I brought real data not 856 00:54:58,890 --> 00:55:00,660 not data. They said what I wanted to, 857 00:55:00,750 --> 00:55:04,650 I want to remind people that there is a, this ties into your 858 00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:08,910 stats. There's a value for value dot info if you're looking to 859 00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:14,730 explain what value for value is value for value dot info, and 860 00:55:14,730 --> 00:55:17,670 that was that's a project that Gigi and I have been working on. 861 00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:21,630 It's it's a work in progress. And it was kind of fun, because 862 00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:28,080 he has in there, how many, he has an updated stat of how many 863 00:55:28,110 --> 00:55:32,220 value enabled podcasts there are. And, of course, we update 864 00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:34,950 everything through the GitHub just to make it really, really 865 00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:38,520 like really cool, man, like, update on the GitHub. Hey, my 866 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:45,030 PRs ready GG. And all of a sudden I see him with a PR and 867 00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:49,350 it's it's he's now he has a bot that is automatically updating 868 00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:52,920 the count. And he's pulling from the new our stats. 869 00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:57,090 Oh, oh, that yeah, the new package. Yeah. 870 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,600 Because all sudden, I saw the JSON pop up in in the GitHub, 871 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,880 like, oh, that's where he's getting it from now. Cool. 872 00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:06,180 That's good. That's a good way to do it. Because that's it. 873 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,540 Whenever you see somebody know nothing about our the length of 874 00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:11,280 the programming language. Whenever you see somebody do 875 00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:14,130 doing work in art, you're like, Oh, that's it. That's a data 876 00:56:14,130 --> 00:56:14,760 scientist. 877 00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:20,490 Yeah. Huh. Sexy. You can just you can just use that if you 878 00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:24,210 like hanging out at the cafeteria at MIT. Oh, yeah. Oh, 879 00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:28,170 for sure. If I could find someone an associate to work 880 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:29,850 with the on my our stats package. 881 00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:33,750 Every year, you just need a t shirt. Or someone 882 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:35,640 who's single and can work late nights. 883 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:46,440 The is, you know, one thing that this is not a prediction. Is it? 884 00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:53,400 No, it's not a prediction. Or a B? Can we just say that? This 885 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,660 has been a bad year for IB in general. Because I hate these 886 00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:59,970 maybe download things suck. 887 00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:03,330 Oh, if? Yeah, we can 888 00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:05,610 Dalvik the Dalvik thing with? 889 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:11,550 Yep, prove once again, after 18 years, we do not have a business 890 00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:15,390 model people. You don't have something that is reliable. We 891 00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:16,680 don't have a model 892 00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:22,530 where everybody to the story behind the Dalvik Samsung thing 893 00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:28,650 was that, you know, oh, it was a bug in Samsung. In Samsung's 894 00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:35,760 player. But the it was only vaguely mentioned that on a 895 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,010 couple of times. On a couple of podcasts. I heard that these 896 00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:43,380 were again, again, these were all IAB compliant downloads. 897 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,830 Every one of them every time one of these things happens where 898 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:52,290 you have the game ad podcast in place and in the buggy Samsung 899 00:57:52,290 --> 00:58:00,180 app in the you know, the buggy. Apple app. It's always a be 900 00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:03,870 compliant downloads, these numbers are complete trash. 901 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,410 I want to Okay, yes. And, and I can even you know, the stuff 902 00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:14,460 that Spurlock is doing is in that regard, great because you 903 00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:19,050 know, the Opie three playground is that's totally going to 904 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,160 discredit and ruin everything that has ever existed in 905 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,570 advertising. And it is, for podcasts. It's an immeasurable 906 00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:30,900 thing, it you should, you should give in go value for value value 907 00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:36,030 for value dot info. And, and I will, I'm not stupid. And I've 908 00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:39,330 been in media all of my life, you just heard we have about 909 00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:46,410 800,000 people subscribing. If I could make shitloads of money 910 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:54,540 and not have to care at all, by running ads? I would. But what I 911 00:58:54,540 --> 00:59:00,600 get out of the value for value for 15 years is better. That you 912 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,610 can quantify that however you want. For sure. 25% of it is I 913 00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,880 don't have to have a single meeting within a hole about what 914 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,430 I said or how I read the copy. Or could you back off on that? 915 00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:17,070 Or could you punch that up a bit? And could you just mention 916 00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:19,350 that instead of this? I don't have to do that. 917 00:59:19,590 --> 00:59:22,560 So that's worth it late is worth at least 50 grand right there. 918 00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:27,270 I'm just saying is 25% of the of the joy that I don't but I had a 919 00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:29,850 lot of meetings. So I mean, newbies, you still might like 920 00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:32,010 meetings and think you're important, but you're not 921 00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:38,160 me. That is something I've also learned about during the 922 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,510 podcasting 2.0 923 00:59:39,870 --> 00:59:43,350 Well, you've become a podcast or you you are a podcaster and you 924 00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:46,920 understand now how it all fits together and how it works. I 925 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,560 mean, you you grasp that with two hands. 926 00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:54,330 And one thing I've clearly learned is that meetings make 927 00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:57,030 you feel great for about five minutes and then you realize 928 00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:59,310 that nobody's ever going to do what they promised you they're 929 00:59:59,310 --> 01:00:01,710 going to do in a meeting Yeah, exactly. It's like it's just all 930 01:00:01,710 --> 01:00:04,470 it's like, oh, man, this is great that you know, it sounds 931 01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:06,840 like there's really some momentum here six months later, 932 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,320 nothing. 933 01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:10,560 Oh, yeah, I forgot on one other prediction in that vein, I 934 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:18,270 predict cross app comments will not happen in 2023. That's my 935 01:00:18,270 --> 01:00:22,500 prediction. It's my prediction. Something else will happen. But 936 01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:24,480 it's not happening. I can see no one's doing it. 937 01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:27,900 I don't know if I'm getting and don't know if I'm going to join 938 01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:30,420 on board with this prediction. This This seems 939 01:00:32,010 --> 01:00:34,740 this is my reverse psychology prediction. Oh, 940 01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:38,370 okay. Yeah. Of course, I should have known this. This is you 941 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,920 this is you baiting developers and doing what you want? 942 01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:44,130 Yeah. Now developers either do it or they don't. And whatever 943 01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:48,090 reason, even with the I thought you were right, I thought the 944 01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:51,990 mastodon influx, you know, people are now interacting. 945 01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:54,780 They're enjoying it. There's, you know, there's, there's a lot 946 01:00:54,780 --> 01:00:56,940 of LARPers and Ron, but you know, there's, there's 947 01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:59,700 definitely got heat, you know, to be able to say, hey, we now 948 01:00:59,730 --> 01:01:02,910 integrate now, the comments, they, you know, comments in our 949 01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:05,760 app show up and other apps show up on your Mastodon, you can 950 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,940 follow it from your instance, I can write the marketing plan in 951 01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:14,880 three seconds for you. But I know it's hard to it's hard to 952 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,030 develop stuff. And people, you know, developers that develop 953 01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:20,640 what they want to what they're interested in. They don't do it 954 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,800 because they have to, it's because what they're interested 955 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,410 in. And so if there's no interest, I know that just shut 956 01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:29,700 up and barking up a tree with no no bird in it. No cat, no cat in 957 01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:33,300 the tree. I get I'll get to you. They're not lazy. They're all 958 01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,580 working on their stuff that they want you work on what you want 959 01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:36,990 to work on. Right? 960 01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:41,250 Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm working on right now. The 100%, 961 01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:42,990 retro, dynamic feed 962 01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:48,480 they see in this, I love you so much. I know all I have to do is 963 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,950 my my theory with developers, is all I have to do is I have to 964 01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:56,670 deliver the data, the content, the feed, if I can just keep 965 01:01:56,670 --> 01:02:00,720 delivering and I deliver a cross app comments on four shows 966 01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:07,650 800,000 subscribers who could potentially participate in cross 967 01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:09,990 app comments? Yeah, 968 01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:13,500 maybe it's a driver would and will no, absolutely would do it. 969 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,840 And oh, and by the way, I just want to say yesterday, I hit up 970 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:25,980 John C. Dvorak and said, Hey, tomorrow I want to demo our bit 971 01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:28,170 Bitcoin to dollar interface. 972 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,820 Ooh, is that is it how is that like ready to go? It's working 973 01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:34,530 with key send? 974 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:40,290 No, it's no not yet. It's working with right now you can 975 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:46,650 just pay with a with a with a wallet. The point is, it goes 976 01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:54,690 into no agendas account through ibex, IB e x, who built us and 977 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:01,590 it goes with automatic overnight bank transfer in dollars it 978 01:03:01,590 --> 01:03:06,270 arrives in your bank account, which was a prerequisite to 979 01:03:06,270 --> 01:03:12,390 receive Bitcoin from people for my partner and we have 100% veto 980 01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:17,370 on each side. So no, no Bitcoin touches the LLC. Okay, so we 981 01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:21,690 figured that out. The only thing that touches the LLC is the 982 01:03:21,690 --> 01:03:26,160 dollar payment. And he's like, oh, cool, I can't wait to see 983 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,790 it. And he has everything I wanted him to have like he can 984 01:03:29,790 --> 01:03:33,150 make a little link with a pre filled out amount or an open 985 01:03:33,150 --> 01:03:35,910 amount or you can drop into his newsletter. So it's like a drop 986 01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:42,570 in replacement for Pay Pal. And once that's working, which will 987 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,630 probably start promoting in a week or two or maybe as of 988 01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:51,870 January 1, then Ibex will add the key send functionality 989 01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:54,570 because now they basically have to add that to their wood, 990 01:03:54,570 --> 01:03:57,360 whatever whatever sitting on top of their node, you know, because 991 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,500 they're 100% custodial solution and then I would just be able to 992 01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:06,780 pop that in as a as a value ID for in the value block of the no 993 01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:07,950 agenda podcast 994 01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:13,620 that yeah, so are you but more importantly more importantly 995 01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:16,350 tomorrow is that there is I mean a Sunday is that going to be the 996 01:04:16,740 --> 01:04:19,950 with the key send no no with the keys in both the other with the 997 01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:21,750 standard donation stuff 998 01:04:21,780 --> 01:04:25,950 probably not I'm gonna say this he's gonna want to play around 999 01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:29,430 with it and we got to get the back end there's an export and 1000 01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:32,280 everyone has to get you know there's a process but we have we 1001 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,650 have we keep adding different ways you get turned the ship 1002 01:04:34,650 --> 01:04:37,290 Yeah, well, you gotta add this to the ship it's like these 1003 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,750 little lifeboat that's coming alongside we gotta get these 1004 01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:49,110 guys on board. And but then we can actively promote my my 1005 01:04:49,110 --> 01:04:52,560 thinking is I want to promote the splits. So I want to promote 1006 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,130 the and make sure that artists know that they need to get 1007 01:04:56,130 --> 01:05:00,360 themselves a wallet somewhere and I will probably eat So you 1008 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,350 can use the existing wallet and the podcast app you have or you 1009 01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:08,550 might want to use the Alby or breeze or whatever. So we can, 1010 01:05:08,580 --> 01:05:10,920 you know, there's a lot of people listening, maybe a couple 1011 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:18,900 will, will stick with you. Take advantage of it. People 1012 01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:20,610 help. I'm trying to. 1013 01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:25,500 Everyone wants to know, how can I market my stuff? Hello, 1014 01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:29,490 I've got there's this there's a, there's a fleeting thought that 1015 01:05:29,490 --> 01:05:32,100 is going through my head right now. It's, it's got something to 1016 01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:42,240 do with combining the motivate. Okay, the cross app comments? 1017 01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:54,930 The I think this is suffering from a lack of narcissism. And 1018 01:05:54,930 --> 01:05:58,860 this is not a criticism, criticism. Exactly. 100%. The 1019 01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:04,020 same way? The the motive, the primary motivation for boosting 1020 01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:09,150 is that you get to hear yourself in the show. I mean, let's just, 1021 01:06:09,330 --> 01:06:11,400 I mean, that's that's 90% of it. 1022 01:06:11,939 --> 01:06:17,099 No, no, I disagree. For boosting or booster gram 1023 01:06:17,130 --> 01:06:19,980 or the histogram histogram, histograms, 1024 01:06:20,009 --> 01:06:24,359 I can I would not I will not agree with with that percentage. 1025 01:06:24,359 --> 01:06:27,209 For some people. Yes. For some people, it doesn't matter. It's 1026 01:06:27,209 --> 01:06:32,189 going to be different. I like to boost high so a guaranteed My 1027 01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:35,759 my, my message will be read. But that's not because I want to 1028 01:06:35,759 --> 01:06:39,869 hear myself. It's like I want to criticize, usually pod pod news. 1029 01:06:41,669 --> 01:06:45,359 Yes, I sent 25,000 SATs like hey, I'm criticizing you. Please 1030 01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:50,069 read this. That's silly. It's not always that. People. It's 1031 01:06:50,070 --> 01:06:54,840 not that you want to hear yourself, it's you want. Let me 1032 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,560 try to clarify a little bit. Let me let me be less informal with 1033 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:06,870 my with my language. As for me, I sent booster grams to shows in 1034 01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:11,490 order to provoke a discussion point that I'm interested in. 1035 01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:14,910 Oh, okay. Valid, same, same idea. It's not it's not the you 1036 01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:17,100 don't need to hear your voice though. You don't need to hear 1037 01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:19,890 your name. You just want to write get you want to be part of 1038 01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:20,460 the show. 1039 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,840 Right? I want to be part of the shows. Yes. Thank you be a part 1040 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,960 of the show. I was like, I hear a thing. And I'm like, Oh, I 1041 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,470 have this thought about that thing. I'm going to entice the 1042 01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:36,090 host of the show to discuss this thing that I've my thoughts by 1043 01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:40,800 giving them money. Yeah, that's, that's valid. Sure. And it's a 1044 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:46,320 very enticing way to do. So. He that mechanism does not exist 1045 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:53,370 with cross app comments. Cross app comments, has no guarantee 1046 01:07:53,430 --> 01:08:02,460 of a feedback mechanism in the same way. So here, this this is 1047 01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:09,810 my thinking goes that if we can combine the two and I'm not 1048 01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:12,660 talking about lightening comments, I'm not saying if 1049 01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:17,100 somehow you can have this is sort of like Super Chat. All 1050 01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:18,960 right. Okay, this is coming together. This isn't making more 1051 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,680 sense. Now. If you're in a super channels, let somebody on 1052 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,540 YouTube. You see all of those, you see the paid stuff and the 1053 01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:32,400 non paid stuff in the same section. And that's what we're 1054 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,540 lacking here. The booster Graham's go to one place, the 1055 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,370 the cross app comments live in a different place. If they were co 1056 01:08:41,370 --> 01:08:48,900 mingled together, then you would you may have more enticement to 1057 01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,950 cross app comment, because you have the booster grams that are 1058 01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:56,430 starting the conversation or drive, they're driving the 1059 01:08:56,430 --> 01:09:00,090 conversation. They're driving the comments section. And then 1060 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,930 other people pipe in to reply, but they don't have to pay. 1061 01:09:03,930 --> 01:09:07,350 They're just replying to the comment. So I guess my thought 1062 01:09:07,350 --> 01:09:15,270 is some sort of gateway, where you could have a site where you 1063 01:09:15,270 --> 01:09:18,480 can have a cross app, like maybe you put something in your split, 1064 01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:23,550 and what you put in your split is a gateway, that where when a 1065 01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:26,250 booster Graham goes to that it gets converted to an activity 1066 01:09:26,250 --> 01:09:31,260 pub, cross F comment and post it to the route post. And that is 1067 01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:38,550 like it's, it's it's seeding the cross app comment, thread, and 1068 01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:41,370 key and starting it, it's like lighting the fire so that other 1069 01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:43,170 people have things to respond to. 1070 01:09:43,529 --> 01:09:46,559 Alright, so I'm gonna disagree with you on a little bit of the 1071 01:09:46,559 --> 01:09:50,969 theory. I understand what you're saying. But super chats are, as 1072 01:09:50,969 --> 01:09:57,419 far as I know only really used in live environments. And, and 1073 01:09:57,419 --> 01:10:04,709 not on just a podcast that Uh, that has two different levels of 1074 01:10:04,739 --> 01:10:08,879 comments. But you, you have made me think a little bit and 1075 01:10:09,089 --> 01:10:12,989 success. Yeah, I think that what you have successfully done has 1076 01:10:12,989 --> 01:10:17,489 taken me off cross app comments altogether, I there's probably 1077 01:10:17,489 --> 01:10:25,079 and even what to who said this ice cube soup? Cross app 1078 01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:28,079 comments will succeed as soon as there's sufficient desire for 1079 01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:31,589 users to quarrel with each other. You know, that's true. I 1080 01:10:31,589 --> 01:10:35,459 look at the lightning comments on on fountain Aina what I see, 1081 01:10:35,969 --> 01:10:40,049 it's all except for mine, it's all positive. It's all like, 1082 01:10:40,049 --> 01:10:42,899 Hey, this is cool. You know, and people were responding that, you 1083 01:10:42,899 --> 01:10:46,409 know, the reply function is pretty decent. You can you can 1084 01:10:46,409 --> 01:10:52,559 boost someone a little bit? Who, who's who posted a comment, I 1085 01:10:52,559 --> 01:10:56,669 have to say, I check that out after every show that I do, 1086 01:10:56,669 --> 01:11:00,869 where it's enabled. And, and, and there's real interaction, 1087 01:11:00,869 --> 01:11:05,489 and people are sending the show money, and all the other stuff, 1088 01:11:05,939 --> 01:11:11,369 you know, it is probably more noise than signal. And, and 1089 01:11:11,369 --> 01:11:14,759 it's, it's not. And I think honestly, the fact that it that 1090 01:11:14,759 --> 01:11:20,129 it doesn't have a lightning payment component is probably 1091 01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:24,029 subconsciously, possibly a reason why developers are less 1092 01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:27,629 interested in in doing it. Because you know, it's just more 1093 01:11:27,629 --> 01:11:30,209 hassle in your life, the way I see it, Okay, I gotta develop 1094 01:11:30,209 --> 01:11:32,729 this thing got to put it all in, you know, gotta go through the 1095 01:11:32,729 --> 01:11:35,159 whole cycle, I'm not really getting anything out of it. And 1096 01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:37,919 probably what I will get is people bitching and moaning at 1097 01:11:37,919 --> 01:11:40,859 each other wanting comments to be removed or whatever have to 1098 01:11:40,859 --> 01:11:45,659 explain it. And only a small piece of my app will show that 1099 01:11:45,659 --> 01:11:48,689 they won't show up everywhere. And there's not consistent. I 1100 01:11:48,689 --> 01:11:51,749 mean, I've we've been doing this for two and a half years, and 1101 01:11:51,749 --> 01:11:54,209 I've pretty much heard at all, I don't think it's going to 1102 01:11:54,209 --> 01:11:57,389 happen. And I would much rather go with something like the 1103 01:11:57,389 --> 01:12:00,719 lightning comments if we could make it work everywhere. Because 1104 01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,119 it's working when something it's the hardest thing when 1105 01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:07,829 something's working. Now, we're not pursuing this one. It's 1106 01:12:07,829 --> 01:12:13,919 working. But we're not pursuing it. And it kind of fills the 1107 01:12:13,919 --> 01:12:19,229 void. I'm sad. But I'd like to move forward with something. 1108 01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:22,560 Is this not the end result that I was going? No, I 1109 01:12:22,559 --> 01:12:25,889 know, I know it is. But I'm saying this with love for the 1110 01:12:25,889 --> 01:12:27,089 idea, obviously. 1111 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,110 But okay, here. You know, as I sent you in signal this morning, 1112 01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:36,120 I sent you a link to an article. Yeah. And you screenshot it back 1113 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,270 to me the first column LOL LOL look at the first comment that 1114 01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:42,930 was not a paid comment. No, I know. I know. It was often 1115 01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:46,680 oftentimes in YouTube videos and such, you go in there and you 1116 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,680 look at the video, and you get a good chuckle out of the first 1117 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,370 few comments that are funny, right? Like didn't you look if 1118 01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:57,840 you if you make it, if you make it all if it's pay to play you 1119 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,680 lose, potentially lose good content 1120 01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,740 also, I mean, I'm in full agreement with you 1121 01:13:05,490 --> 01:13:11,880 100% 100% 100% No, I mean agreeing with you, but I think 1122 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,750 I'm just gonna stop focusing complaining whatever, I will not 1123 01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:20,040 stop making my route posts. So it will always be there when 1124 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,340 anyone wants to pick it up. But I'm not going to ask beg talk 1125 01:13:23,340 --> 01:13:26,160 about it bitching moan that well that's my prediction. I'm not 1126 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,040 going to talk about it anymore. If it if it happens I'll be 1127 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,850 there and I'll be there to promote it and any apps directly 1128 01:13:32,850 --> 01:13:36,930 that support it until that until that moment I mean what I'll 1129 01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:39,690 where I want people to have a good experience 1130 01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:45,450 here's an ISO that perfectly there's a delivered a nice of 1131 01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:48,210 that period that perfectly encapsulate encapsulates this 1132 01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:53,010 but yes, I would presume it to this one okay, whatever. 1133 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:59,550 Yep. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to build something. I'm 1134 01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:02,550 gonna have to write something. I can feel it already 1135 01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:06,270 build something write something. Oh, we yeah, we need you 1136 01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:07,230 programming. 1137 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,900 That's what I mean. That's a learning right? 1138 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:14,310 Don't Don't stop you're just you were you were so all jacked up 1139 01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:19,770 and doing the 100% of retro retro retro fi don't stop doing 1140 01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:26,460 that. I love that. I'm not gonna I don't believe in Hey, man. How 1141 01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:28,530 bad is it that we lost Christine McVie? 1142 01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:32,340 Oh bandit they 1143 01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:36,330 how much she was she wrote a lot of the song she wrote a lot of 1144 01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:37,050 those hits. 1145 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,580 Okay, so this was about to ask her I thought that she was she 1146 01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:42,900 was there from the beginning right she was 1147 01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:48,180 she was asked to come in the band already existed when it 1148 01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:51,720 existed, I think and I happen to look this up when she married to 1149 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,970 the bass player. Yeah, Lindsey Buckingham. 1150 01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:57,360 No debate. Now Lindsey Buckingham is a guitar player, 1151 01:14:57,420 --> 01:15:01,590 right? Yes, you're right. The I see 1152 01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:04,440 I thought Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks came in after the 1153 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:04,950 fact. 1154 01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:09,540 You're right. Now let me see. I'm going to consult the book 1155 01:15:09,540 --> 01:15:14,310 knowledge here for a second, though, that's NEC when she was 1156 01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:15,870 in Chicken Shack. 1157 01:15:16,949 --> 01:15:18,629 Oh, yeah. This dynamic ban chicken. 1158 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:25,560 That one. I think I know she was asked in let me see Fleetwood 1159 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,550 Mac. She was a fan. She was touring with Chicken Shack. And 1160 01:15:29,550 --> 01:15:31,920 the two bands would often meet so she was asked if she was not 1161 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,640 there from the beginning. Okay, she was asked to come but she 1162 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,960 wrote a lot of songs. 1163 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,460 Great for us. It's beautiful voice. beautiful voice. 1164 01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:46,920 Yeah, she kind of they have a list of the song she wrote. I 1165 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,840 know that she wrote a lot of them. 1166 01:15:49,469 --> 01:15:55,889 Why did don't stop believing. Reminds you of Fleetwood Mac, 1167 01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:02,010 because it triggered don't stop thinking about tomorrow. Oh, 1168 01:16:02,010 --> 01:16:06,480 okay. I guess you would, which is is embedded in a weird way 1169 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,520 because then I always think about the Clintons. And that 1170 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,090 always creeps me out. Because that was that was that was Bill 1171 01:16:12,090 --> 01:16:15,810 Clinton's campaign. Song with Al Gore. 1172 01:16:16,349 --> 01:16:19,409 Is that the one where his brother George Clinton would 1173 01:16:19,409 --> 01:16:23,759 come up and start playing the sax. The saxophone on stage. 1174 01:16:23,759 --> 01:16:24,449 It's y'all 1175 01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:30,000 know, I don't know. Who knows. Now remember that? He did. That 1176 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,270 whole sacks. vibe was creepy too. Of course. Yeah. 1177 01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:36,690 Anybody that plays the sax is a little creepy. I mean, let's 1178 01:16:36,690 --> 01:16:37,620 let's Can we just say that? 1179 01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:40,980 Oh, yeah, I mean, Kenny G top of the list. Creepy Zoids 1180 01:16:41,550 --> 01:16:43,500 Oh, yeah. He just stares at you. I don't like it. 1181 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,260 You know, he has that perpetual thing where you can keep blowing 1182 01:16:46,290 --> 01:16:48,150 up. He doesn't have to breathe because you breathe through his 1183 01:16:48,150 --> 01:16:52,230 nose and he keeps he can keep keep blowing the SAS weird too. 1184 01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:54,300 Yeah. I mean, there's even the fact that you can do that as 1185 01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:59,040 weird Kenny G. Someone was someone once said to my partner, 1186 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,730 Ron Bloom said, man, you're so good at business you'd like 1187 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,090 you'd like Kenny G plays his saxophone. And Ron is also a 1188 01:17:06,090 --> 01:17:09,480 musician and it was not a good moment. Not a 1189 01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,940 good perpetual bloke very 1190 01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:14,820 good, very bad. I'm gonna just thank a couple of people who 1191 01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:17,640 have been boosting us live because I think it wants to in 1192 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,690 the in the year end for end of the year end mood because we're 1193 01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:24,900 getting some nice boosts here today. And we are lit of course 1194 01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:32,670 contracts about that contracts the stats package boosts 10,000 1195 01:17:32,670 --> 01:17:36,450 SATs Thank you very much big big performance update for contracts 1196 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,910 V for V dashboard dropping this weekend. Hello. No up next usage 1197 01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:46,500 via value split 2023 will be the best year ever for independent 1198 01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:50,610 podcasters I love what they're doing. contracts. It runs all in 1199 01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:54,150 the browser which has interesting advantages and 1200 01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:57,780 disadvantages. Advantage. No service. It's it runs in your 1201 01:17:57,780 --> 01:18:01,290 browser. You know, it's kinda like a virtual machine. It spins 1202 01:18:01,290 --> 01:18:04,530 up and runs a downside. You refresh your page. You're 1203 01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:07,770 refreshing everything now all the way to the beginning. Go 1204 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:12,180 back to zero. I can't wait. I looking forward I love I love 1205 01:18:12,180 --> 01:18:15,330 the Saturn stuff. I love the contract stuff. It's fantastic. 1206 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,930 Then we have Eric Eric p p 33,333. No note 45,000 from Matt 1207 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,870 madeiros podcasting. 2.0 is my suitability. No casting podcast. 1208 01:18:32,850 --> 01:18:37,890 See Brooklyn 112 40,000 SATs always a great board meeting. 1209 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:45,180 Thank you very much Chad F 3333 ai death panels. That's right. 1210 01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:50,220 Yes, Canada. I'm sure Canada is already already using him. Hey, 1211 01:18:50,220 --> 01:18:53,070 it looks like this person should probably be recommended. Some 1212 01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:54,000 euthanasia? 1213 01:18:55,470 --> 01:18:59,730 Is the AI just it always just says euthanize doesn't matter 1214 01:18:59,730 --> 01:19:00,720 what the input is skip 1215 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,720 logic just goes in a loop back to euthanize. 1216 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:08,010 I think there'll be fun euthanize Chad F 25,000 1217 01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:11,430 SATs listening live with a new pod verse CarPlay app and even 1218 01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:17,340 posted a screenshot there. And that's right. We have brand new 1219 01:19:17,340 --> 01:19:18,630 functionality from 1220 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:24,270 congrats to Mitch and that's to do man to get that to work. Guy 1221 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:30,960 man, he's he's he's really I love how Mitch? And what's his 1222 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,730 partner's name? I can't remember. Sorry, you should know 1223 01:19:36,420 --> 01:19:42,180 it. I love how they just dive in on stuff that they don't know 1224 01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:45,900 anything about and just figure it out. Yeah, they just figure 1225 01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:48,900 it out, man. They just get it done. It's inspiring a little 1226 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:48,990 bit. 1227 01:19:49,019 --> 01:19:55,439 My only request for pod verse is but I still have to reconnect my 1228 01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:00,569 Alby wallet. Like every day, it seems for some reason they fixed 1229 01:20:00,569 --> 01:20:05,309 a big one for me, which I really didn't make much of a deal of it 1230 01:20:05,309 --> 01:20:10,229 but you know, it's like oh, I set the alarm and this this 1231 01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:14,699 would be for pivot the pivot podcast. So when it when it 1232 01:20:14,699 --> 01:20:19,529 drops, then you tap on the on the alert on your phone, it will 1233 01:20:19,529 --> 01:20:21,959 just go to your collection it didn't actually go to the 1234 01:20:21,989 --> 01:20:27,089 episode at hand I am that was fixed. Real real happy about 1235 01:20:27,089 --> 01:20:30,629 that. The next thing that is high priority for me because I 1236 01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:33,989 don't use pod verse For for one of these reasons as often as I 1237 01:20:33,989 --> 01:20:38,519 could. There's no permanent streaming that still hasn't been 1238 01:20:38,519 --> 01:20:39,989 implemented. So 1239 01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:41,970 like if I listen to he's working on it though, 1240 01:20:42,030 --> 01:20:47,820 I'm sure if I if I'm listening to pod news, know someone who I 1241 01:20:47,820 --> 01:20:52,680 care about then I even for the short shows I will use I will 1242 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:58,080 use a different app because of that. Then we have 10,000 SATs 1243 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:03,420 for Mitch Diego podcasts 10101 from hard hat Thank you very 1244 01:21:03,420 --> 01:21:09,270 much. 2800 from Eric from our podcast, our desktop here we go 1245 01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:13,560 and quite a boost to note it is using pod verse. I'm so glad 1246 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,410 Adams on the mend. I know from personal experience dental work 1247 01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:20,880 can be painful. Thank you. Also thank you for the mini shout out 1248 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,210 of my pod index our package I released last week I'm eager to 1249 01:21:24,210 --> 01:21:27,870 find ways of not only Quan quantifying the most meaningful 1250 01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:30,990 stats on the index but also ways we can surface these insights 1251 01:21:31,020 --> 01:21:34,950 effectively for podcast hosts listeners and hosting companies 1252 01:21:35,070 --> 01:21:39,600 pod index are is one small step towards that goal go podcast 1253 01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:44,580 podcast. Yes, well, I think I described exactly what I need 1254 01:21:45,780 --> 01:21:46,590 today did no 1255 01:21:47,580 --> 01:21:49,830 no yeah, you eloquently Yes, 1256 01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:54,330 yes. That's I want the shame list. The Earth killing shaming 1257 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:56,070 list as 1258 01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:59,760 the only stats you're interested in or allows you to shame people 1259 01:21:59,760 --> 01:21:59,970 yes, 1260 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,080 no, no, just anyone who I mean I hate them. No, I would like 1261 01:22:04,380 --> 01:22:08,220 okay, honestly, I want some statistics I can use to shame 1262 01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:12,000 apple and if possible Spotify I'll take a Google and Amazon. 1263 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,850 What I don't want to do is I don't want to have to be shaming 1264 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,750 an antenna pod. If podcast addicts you know that's like 1265 01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:20,430 they should fix that. 1266 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,740 You need statistics that allow you to shame Spotify and Apple 1267 01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:28,800 if we're talking AI based statistics I can have those quit 1268 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:28,920 like 1269 01:22:31,290 --> 01:22:34,170 we've already discredited them that 1270 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,380 there's still there's still it's still the quote gold standard so 1271 01:22:37,380 --> 01:22:41,070 we're good to go we can we can we can get those going quick. 1272 01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:45,600 When did you pull the most recent booster grams because I 1273 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,680 got something about up to three hours ago from Brees I got to do 1274 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:55,380 you have those big numbers? In fact, I know do you have tone 1275 01:22:55,380 --> 01:22:56,550 record on your list? 1276 01:22:56,759 --> 01:22:58,319 I got I got double tone right. 1277 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,220 Okay, you got tone wrecker? And I think that if you got don't 1278 01:23:02,220 --> 01:23:05,220 record we're good. We're good. Thank you all to these to these 1279 01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,620 early boosters you can boost us live. Please listen with curio 1280 01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:14,850 caster or with POD bursts. Both will drop you right into the 1281 01:23:14,910 --> 01:23:18,330 into the live area with the chat room with the stream running the 1282 01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:21,150 exact same place where you get the podcast. And thanks to 1283 01:23:21,150 --> 01:23:25,080 sovereign feeds for making it all possible for me to create 1284 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,660 all these feeds and all these triggers. And thank you Dave 1285 01:23:27,660 --> 01:23:32,910 again for taking hours off of my week hours literally hours off 1286 01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:36,000 of my week. That is incredibly valuable. I have a nice gift 1287 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,530 coming for you for Christmas. Oh, well as after you shame me 1288 01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:42,930 by sending me a gift like fucking now I have to send them 1289 01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:44,070 a gift. We don't 1290 01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:47,430 exchange gifts in bag don't exchange now 1291 01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:50,430 of course I do. I feel like a heel. Like you're thinking of 1292 01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:54,180 me. A very thoughtful gift and like, Oh man, I gotta think 1293 01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:56,250 about my friend. I think I'm no 1294 01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:58,470 way I'm such a douche. What did I do? 1295 01:23:58,620 --> 01:24:01,230 Why did you why did you send me something really thoughtful 1296 01:24:01,230 --> 01:24:02,220 stuff that 1297 01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:05,670 we had this discussion with. With Melissa the other day she 1298 01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:09,180 were trying to devise a way that I could get a couple of gifts 1299 01:24:09,570 --> 01:24:14,370 for the guys that I work with. with it. But but you have to be 1300 01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:18,090 strategic in order to make it where they don't think they have 1301 01:24:18,090 --> 01:24:21,360 to give you one back. So it's like the dollar amount can be 1302 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,750 too high can be too low. It can't believe she was like once 1303 01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:27,360 you just do a bottle of wine. She's like but But it can't be 1304 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,790 like a real it can't be like a nice bottle of wine. And it's 1305 01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:33,240 got to be not a nice bottle of wine. And it also has to be 1306 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:36,810 obviously not a nice bottle of wine. Like it's got to be 1307 01:24:36,810 --> 01:24:39,900 noticeably below the $15 mark, you know, 1308 01:24:40,019 --> 01:24:46,499 well. I'm very good at Christmas gratuities for people that we 1309 01:24:46,499 --> 01:24:49,139 work with and work with us around the house and you know 1310 01:24:49,139 --> 01:24:54,179 from the garbage guy to the postal. The postal worker we 1311 01:24:54,179 --> 01:24:56,879 don't say mailman we have a mail lady we call a postal worker. 1312 01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:03,119 And it's an eye there I like the postal people I really do. You 1313 01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:05,909 know, we have a but there's some guys like, you know, Tommy who 1314 01:25:05,909 --> 01:25:08,189 comes here and who really, you know, when we have any 1315 01:25:08,189 --> 01:25:11,939 landscaping to do like trees or whatever, you he makes enough 1316 01:25:11,939 --> 01:25:14,069 money off of me and I'm not gonna give him that we would 1317 01:25:14,069 --> 01:25:17,819 actually be insulting to give him money. So buy him a bottle 1318 01:25:17,819 --> 01:25:20,789 of like $50 weeks whiskey, you know, something that I liked, 1319 01:25:20,789 --> 01:25:24,719 that's good. And his assistant will get 50 bucks the same 1320 01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:27,899 thing. It's not about that. It's about the thought. And so you 1321 01:25:27,899 --> 01:25:30,509 actually put thought into that gift from me and I can't I can 1322 01:25:30,509 --> 01:25:37,229 never come back from that I can't recover. flattened. I have 1323 01:25:37,229 --> 01:25:40,169 something in mind for it. It's she couldn't get it there on 1324 01:25:40,169 --> 01:25:41,129 time before. 1325 01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:46,440 Okay, well, we'll do we'll we'll next day. I'm I actually dropped 1326 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:50,760 a couple more gifts into the mail for people today. It if I'm 1327 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,450 bad to do this, because I just want to if anybody gets a gift 1328 01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:57,750 from me, please don't think that you have to give that it's not 1329 01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,240 it's just not about that at all. You nobody has to give me 1330 01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,030 anything back. It's not. There's not necessary if you get 1331 01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:06,210 a gift from Dave, he's clearly shaming you. You're much less 1332 01:26:06,210 --> 01:26:06,810 than him. 1333 01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:13,560 Yes, yeah. It's all about my own personal superiority, complex, 1334 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:13,980 dry 1335 01:26:13,980 --> 01:26:19,200 strive to be as good as Dave Jones. I do. I do. Yeah, you're 1336 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,580 very, very, you're very nice, man. Very nice. Oh, 1337 01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:24,840 nations from PayPal. 1338 01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:28,710 There we go. This I got a couple of this is a value for value 1339 01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:33,840 proposition. If you're wondering if value for value works. We 1340 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,280 never even submitted the show to to, to Apple. You know, we're 1341 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,950 just working with our little community here. And all we said 1342 01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:43,830 is, hey, do you like what what this what this is about? Do you 1343 01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:48,090 like the value that we're providing? Now the mechanism is, 1344 01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:52,110 is the podcast which also takes effort to do? And people said 1345 01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:55,380 yes, we find it valuable and they support us. So it does work 1346 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,960 as long as you have a quality product. 1347 01:26:59,430 --> 01:27:02,310 Jesse 100 think he thinks it's a quality product because he sent 1348 01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:03,180 us $10 1349 01:27:03,330 --> 01:27:06,030 A suggestion Thank you. This is pay pals. Right. These are we 1350 01:27:06,060 --> 01:27:07,830 haven't had any pals recently. 1351 01:27:08,490 --> 01:27:12,270 Oh, we will be we had a bunch last week. Not one off day. We 1352 01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:16,200 had the monthly subscriptions. Right, right. The and Jesse 1353 01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,440 didn't send a note but Michael olinger did and he said he sent 1354 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,380 us $20 And he said, Thanks for the index and the mastodon 1355 01:27:22,410 --> 01:27:23,100 instance. 1356 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:27,810 Ah, thanks, Derek. Welcome, Michael. Wish I had to upgrade 1357 01:27:27,810 --> 01:27:29,610 again. Oh, 1358 01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:31,830 no, we gotta we gotta slow that down. 1359 01:27:31,890 --> 01:27:35,040 Well, it's, you know, it's, I had to do that from my own 1360 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,410 instance, as well. Because you know, the minute you start 1361 01:27:37,410 --> 01:27:40,200 following a lot more people and people are boosting, it's all 1362 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,890 assets. It's all drive space. It's all bandwidth. And so we 1363 01:27:43,890 --> 01:27:45,900 just have to go we just go up to another level. Now that tear, 1364 01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:46,350 it's okay. 1365 01:27:46,830 --> 01:27:50,550 How hard is that guy? That mesto dot host How hard is his life 1366 01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:55,680 right now. He's, he's making money, but he's probably hair on 1367 01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,960 fire, like 24 hours a day. He seems to 1368 01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,960 be holding it together. I'm very proud of him. I think he's 1369 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:07,020 German. And I set up a couple of different hosts now. He is sadly 1370 01:28:07,020 --> 01:28:10,170 you know, there's some people who wanted to set up a host with 1371 01:28:10,170 --> 01:28:14,250 like, an no agenda name in their domain name. And he refused them 1372 01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:17,730 and cut them off and said go away. You know, you we won't 1373 01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:23,760 have fascists and Nazis on my on my. Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah, because 1374 01:28:23,790 --> 01:28:28,710 no agenda social.com was flagged early on, literally as k k k 1375 01:28:28,710 --> 01:28:30,870 Nazi Cardrooms. Literally. 1376 01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:35,910 Can we just say that? Can we please. I've noticed a lot of 1377 01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:41,130 people on the left calling other people Nazis lately. We just say 1378 01:28:41,130 --> 01:28:45,420 that that roulette lessens the impact of actual Nazis. Yeah. 1379 01:28:46,110 --> 01:28:49,440 Can we calm that language down a little bit? You know, it's I 1380 01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:49,860 agree. 1381 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:55,980 I agree it it truly is calling someone a Nazis, National 1382 01:28:55,980 --> 01:28:59,550 Socialists, so be careful. You know, the true Nazis were 1383 01:28:59,550 --> 01:29:00,240 lefties. 1384 01:29:00,929 --> 01:29:04,349 Yeah, because somebody likes you know, Trump or something like 1385 01:29:04,349 --> 01:29:07,859 that. It's a little bit different than, you know, baby 1386 01:29:07,859 --> 01:29:09,929 skin lampshades. And it's just 1387 01:29:10,620 --> 01:29:14,880 as journalists is journalists. Yeah. It's who use this these 1388 01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,140 Nazis. Oh, yeah. 1389 01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:19,620 I don't really get my hackles up about much of that. But that 1390 01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:21,990 when it feels like it crosses a line, I think that just needs to 1391 01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:22,680 kind of stop. 1392 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,190 Well, once they went all Hitler with Trump. I mean, it was the 1393 01:29:26,190 --> 01:29:28,830 end of it. And that was seven years ago. It was seven years 1394 01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:33,450 ago. So it has no way over the line now. Hold on one second. 1395 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,770 But did you see Trump's special announcement yesterday? 1396 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,430 Somebody said, somebody sent me a thing is like it was it had to 1397 01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:42,990 do with playing cards or something. 1398 01:29:43,259 --> 01:29:51,299 He releases an NF T. Yeah. What the? I mean, I'm like, unless 1399 01:29:51,299 --> 01:29:55,589 this is a long, long troll, which will wind up showing us 1400 01:29:55,589 --> 01:30:00,629 how FTX and Sam bank win free you know, corruptly sent money 1401 01:30:00,629 --> 01:30:03,569 to politicians. This is a dumb idea. 1402 01:30:04,110 --> 01:30:08,190 Half the crap he does is a dumb idea. Um, so overhead. I mean, 1403 01:30:08,190 --> 01:30:11,310 this is this. This was really like this was this head 1404 01:30:11,310 --> 01:30:14,490 scratcher. That made sense. 1405 01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:17,340 I don't vote and I don't. And I don't 1406 01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,520 know why if you don't vote, you don't get to complain. Right? I 1407 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,270 know what No, no, 1408 01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:23,970 if I don't vote then then I'm not responsible for either one 1409 01:30:23,970 --> 01:30:24,960 of them. So I get to complain. 1410 01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:30,720 Okay, George Carlin. Okay. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, anyway, just 1411 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,680 wanted to mention I thought, an NFT from anybody for anything at 1412 01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:35,820 this moment is dumb 1413 01:30:35,850 --> 01:30:39,090 is stupid. And that's just a long line of stupid decisions 1414 01:30:39,090 --> 01:30:41,880 that dude is make when the reason I said don't vote because 1415 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,790 when, when, when he first came in, I remember having a lot at 1416 01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:48,660 least discussion when he first came in. I was like, Okay, I 1417 01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:53,280 mean, the guys. He's got a lot of baggage, but he might, you 1418 01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,460 know, it's always nice to see an outsider come in and you have 1419 01:30:56,460 --> 01:31:00,120 this, this potential for them to like, you know, shake it all up, 1420 01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,840 blow up the system, sort of. There's always that potential. 1421 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:10,050 And like, that's, he's just completely he's blown all that 1422 01:31:10,050 --> 01:31:14,040 crap up. It's just not working. He needs to go away. That's my 1423 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:14,730 personal opinion. 1424 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,760 Okay. Since you don't vote, I don't care about your personal 1425 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,760 opinion. matter. Doesn't matter. 1426 01:31:20,970 --> 01:31:23,430 But I do think Christmas gifts. Oh, no. 1427 01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:25,950 Your Christmas gifts are the best. 1428 01:31:28,140 --> 01:31:29,010 It's an NFT 1429 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,810 NFT. Oh, goodness. Roi. scheinfeld 1430 01:31:34,740 --> 01:31:37,650 54,321 says through breeze 1431 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:42,600 and congratulations on the new fundraise. Looks like breeze. 1432 01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:45,300 Would they post four and a half million dollars. So they 1433 01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:48,300 continue and raising in this environment? 1434 01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:53,370 Cache flush with cash. 1435 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,500 Well, I'm just saying congratulations. That's not an 1436 01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:58,950 easy thing to do. Yeah, especially if you're not if 1437 01:31:58,950 --> 01:32:01,770 you're more kind of the nerd. And not really the you know, 1438 01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,960 yeah, it must hate doing that. I get you enjoys it. 1439 01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:12,060 I get to feel any of those two. He says his notice. Adam is on 1440 01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:14,940 fire today. That was last week. 1441 01:32:15,450 --> 01:32:18,300 My mouth was probably literally on fire last week. 1442 01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,870 He he messaged me this morning, I gotta figure out. I've got 1443 01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:28,800 work to do. On researching noster lots of people are 1444 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:35,490 mentioning noster. And I've had a few. I've had a few 1445 01:32:35,490 --> 01:32:40,380 discussions with Alex about it. But I just I've got to figure 1446 01:32:40,380 --> 01:32:44,460 out there's so many protocols. This is the problem. It's just 1447 01:32:44,460 --> 01:32:48,900 like it's just, you know, every five minutes there's a new open 1448 01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:50,520 source protocol. It's exhausting. 1449 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:59,490 I I've been hearing about nostre for quite a while. But I've been 1450 01:32:59,490 --> 01:33:01,230 hearing about a lot of things for quite a while, you know 1451 01:33:01,230 --> 01:33:04,110 matrix. Well, it was gonna be matrix matrix matrix. And then 1452 01:33:04,110 --> 01:33:06,330 it was not matrix and then it was well it's gonna be we're 1453 01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:10,110 going back to XMPP and it wasn't XMPP and then it's well it's not 1454 01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:12,780 for this not for that and this is enlightening is bad and 1455 01:33:12,780 --> 01:33:15,240 lightning is good and telegram. No. 1456 01:33:15,810 --> 01:33:18,180 No hole punch hole punch. Oh, 1457 01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:23,550 yeah. Hole Punch kids. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's still 1458 01:33:23,550 --> 01:33:24,150 working. 1459 01:33:24,750 --> 01:33:27,780 It's still working out. Alison. Good thing this morning. Do you 1460 01:33:27,780 --> 01:33:34,410 know it costs $200,000 to be on the on the like voting committee 1461 01:33:34,410 --> 01:33:35,370 for the matrix. 1462 01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,700 Well, hold us we're supposed running Foundation. And how do 1463 01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:44,160 we get in on that action? Close down that GitHub. Hey, you want 1464 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,420 it? You want to vote with us? 1465 01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:51,660 Namespace $200,000 We should charge for the bit tube seal to 1466 01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:57,960 do a pull request. We'll charge 150 Yeah, the the tone wrecker 1467 01:33:58,050 --> 01:34:02,250 row sticks 1111. Sending a new boost through while hearing you 1468 01:34:02,250 --> 01:34:05,010 guys read a past week's boost of mine seems to be a powerfully 1469 01:34:05,010 --> 01:34:08,520 weird time warp of support. The boosted booster gram and full 1470 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:09,030 effect. 1471 01:34:09,870 --> 01:34:11,370 I like it. Nice. 1472 01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:20,910 S cot T Scott's in his 1800 SATs now note. Oh, Scott again with 1473 01:34:20,910 --> 01:34:27,210 2000 SATs no note. Boris kudelski Send us 1000 SATs he 1474 01:34:27,210 --> 01:34:31,980 says thanks for Central European standard timezone on podcasts. 1475 01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:37,560 index.org. Oh, yes, this was a fun. Not fun, not fun thing to 1476 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:41,040 have to fix. His feed came through. And 1477 01:34:41,070 --> 01:34:43,770 I didn't know I didn't have enclosures, right? 1478 01:34:44,370 --> 01:34:47,340 No, it had to it had everything was right, except that it was 1479 01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:49,740 blowing up the aggregator was blowing up when it tried to 1480 01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:53,880 interpret the timezone in his pub date on his items, because 1481 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,840 he was tagging them as Central European Standard Time, but 1482 01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,910 Central European standard time had already ended. 1483 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:05,700 Oh yeah, it was It wasn't triggering because of the whole 1484 01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:06,450 man. I hate that 1485 01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:09,330 it was the day the date parser just blew up and was setting it 1486 01:35:09,330 --> 01:35:12,750 to zero. So the the episodes actually were in the index but 1487 01:35:12,750 --> 01:35:16,410 they had a zero date stamp so they were showing up back in 1488 01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:18,450 1970 So they just weren't showing 1489 01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:21,570 off. We should just go to the blocks block height so much 1490 01:35:21,570 --> 01:35:22,860 easier. Block 1491 01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:29,850 idea. Dumpster Eagle send us a row ducks 2222 through any just 1492 01:35:29,850 --> 01:35:33,840 says podcast index.org. Thank you already sent it through 1493 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,650 breeze. We don't have a lot of booths today. So I'll just do 1494 01:35:37,650 --> 01:35:41,400 I'll read a 2222 It says I love how it can be completely out of 1495 01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:45,330 my depth on the subject matter and still enjoy this show. Some 1496 01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:51,000 deaths from some quack. We're we're completely out of our 1497 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,440 depth too. But we enjoy the shows. 1498 01:35:52,860 --> 01:35:55,740 We're just here to keep the scissors sharp. That's all and 1499 01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:56,940 handout bandaids. 1500 01:35:57,540 --> 01:35:59,940 Yeah, I just gave my opinion about Trump, which is completely 1501 01:35:59,940 --> 01:36:05,790 uninformed and have no value to anybody. So that's it's open to 1502 01:36:05,790 --> 01:36:07,590 everybody. Brian, 1503 01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:10,350 we agree on the NFT part for sure. 1504 01:36:11,370 --> 01:36:17,490 Yeah. Brian at top tier audio 70. No one sets at the cast 1505 01:36:17,490 --> 01:36:19,800 Matic app. And he says I think there is value in having the 1506 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,500 streaming option. But I think the ones in the industrial 1507 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,990 complex who are most interested in pushing for streaming instead 1508 01:36:24,990 --> 01:36:28,080 of downloads actually want it to save a little own downloads that 1509 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,110 might not be required, but mostly so that it's impossible 1510 01:36:31,110 --> 01:36:33,390 to skip ads? Ah, 1511 01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:38,280 nah, we forgot about that, didn't we? Yep. The whole the 1512 01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,550 whole. This is one of the reasons why downloads had to go 1513 01:36:41,550 --> 01:36:44,730 away is for the dynamic ad insertion to target people with 1514 01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:48,330 new ads at the right moment. I'm sure. I'm sure it had something 1515 01:36:48,330 --> 01:36:48,990 to do with it. 1516 01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:54,540 Yeah, and and because they want more accurate. They know 1517 01:36:54,540 --> 01:36:58,200 downloads are crap. They know that I be certified download 1518 01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,680 stuff is a big complete joke. And so they want accurate stats, 1519 01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:05,010 they think they can get that through streaming stats. And 1520 01:37:05,010 --> 01:37:07,500 that's also I think part of it. And it's just all it's just all 1521 01:37:07,500 --> 01:37:07,920 a big, 1522 01:37:08,190 --> 01:37:12,000 it's a quagmire that we just terrible. It's I mean, the thing 1523 01:37:12,210 --> 01:37:16,890 with television ratings is it's probably not much more 1524 01:37:16,890 --> 01:37:21,900 sophisticated. I mean, yeah, they have set top box data. But 1525 01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:26,280 a lot of it is still diary based. And it doesn't matter 1526 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:33,540 because the cartel agrees on the number. You know, and it 1527 01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:33,960 behooves 1528 01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:36,390 everybody doesn't have to be accurate. It just has to be the 1529 01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:37,620 number. Yeah, as long as 1530 01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:39,960 it's the number every single time and it correlates with 1531 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:41,340 whatever the number is. 1532 01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,930 Being seen big huge swings, then you're like, Okay, whoa, you 1533 01:37:45,930 --> 01:37:46,140 know, 1534 01:37:46,260 --> 01:37:49,260 and then they added the, you know, plus one, or the I think 1535 01:37:49,260 --> 01:37:52,560 plus 24. You know, they had plus number of days for people 1536 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:57,270 watching it after the fact on DVRs. But in case you hadn't 1537 01:37:57,270 --> 01:38:00,600 noticed people that that model is not not working very well 1538 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,510 either. And people are now starting to regret they're, you 1539 01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:08,940 know, taking the $4 cheaper option of Disney plus or Disney 1540 01:38:08,940 --> 01:38:12,300 probably I think Disney plus and getting the ads that people are 1541 01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:15,570 regretting this now. Netflix, it's a lot of ads. 1542 01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:20,550 We cancelled our Netflix, which don't even have it anymore. 1543 01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:22,770 We never watched it and I will tell you Yeah, then you 1544 01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:23,790 shouldn't use it at all. 1545 01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:28,290 Yeah, I'm not definitely not going back to ads. Ahlborn 1546 01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:32,610 Citadel, no 1998 through fountain no note and another 1547 01:38:32,610 --> 01:38:36,210 1998 from otters over Citadel no note thank you all for citadel. 1548 01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:42,540 The obrah Brian at top tier audio he sent he sent a couple 1549 01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:49,470 more 1701 boosts Thank you Brian very much. It's the 2222 row 1550 01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:56,280 ducks from Mike Dale. The VP of podcasting 2.0 Blueberry guy yes 1551 01:39:01,290 --> 01:39:03,300 he says welcome back AC sounding good. 1552 01:39:03,390 --> 01:39:04,950 Thank you very much. I try 1553 01:39:06,090 --> 01:39:13,080 6969 from Hey citizen through pod verse no note vache V A 1554 01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:18,510 KE 2500 SATs through fountain no note. A lot of no notes today. 1555 01:39:18,690 --> 01:39:23,100 People just busy just they're so fast and it's time to write a 1556 01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,320 note just loose. Loose just boost them already. 1557 01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,490 Don't forget move on. 1558 01:39:27,179 --> 01:39:33,089 Boost boost boost boost power boost boost. Nomad Joe 5000 SATs 1559 01:39:33,179 --> 01:39:41,549 and he just says boost yo orchid hippo interesting name 5000 SATs 1560 01:39:41,549 --> 01:39:43,799 through breeze oh that must be one of those autogenerated 1561 01:39:43,799 --> 01:39:46,949 names. This is testing from breeze fountain just doesn't 1562 01:39:46,949 --> 01:39:51,929 work for me. It's really bad. Oh, that's comic strip blogger. 1563 01:39:53,939 --> 01:39:56,549 And we bought your busted comic strip bargain through your 1564 01:39:56,549 --> 01:40:05,969 orchid hippo. Oh yeah, we Su Su pipe pipe CD sent us he's trying 1565 01:40:05,969 --> 01:40:10,109 to he's trying to like a remote code execution Amir so as you're 1566 01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:13,620 trying to change change directory on my drive, he's just 1567 01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:19,140 trying to drop the episodes table from the database he sent 1568 01:40:19,140 --> 01:40:24,450 through the boost CLI app he says Z 13 337 Omega leet boost 1569 01:40:24,450 --> 01:40:27,660 he says the hottest OSI talk always happens at layer one 1570 01:40:27,690 --> 01:40:30,540 yeah you know it does you know it does 1571 01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:35,010 can always add BGP see I let that go. Because you said we 1572 01:40:35,010 --> 01:40:38,640 were talking CSMA CD, and you brought him BGP, which is 1573 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:48,480 actually layer two, so Oh, please. Sorry. He says Archie 1574 01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:50,490 pod verse operations. Okay, 1575 01:40:50,519 --> 01:40:51,599 thank you. Thank you. 1576 01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:57,450 Let's see we had 25,000 SATs from WDS at RSS blue.com. Oh, 1577 01:40:57,450 --> 01:41:00,270 thanks. Nice through breeze and he says greetings from 1578 01:41:00,270 --> 01:41:03,300 Lithuania. I'm bringing new international lifestyle of visa 1579 01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:05,820 vie to Eastern Europe. Well, at least for a few weeks. 1580 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:11,640 Tina has half Lithuanian. Oh, I didn't know that half Mexican 1581 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:15,930 half Lithuanian well there's a combo yeah so she she can be a 1582 01:41:15,930 --> 01:41:17,970 victim and an oppressor at the same time because you know, 1583 01:41:17,970 --> 01:41:20,730 Lithuanian has kind of backup Russians you know, so she can be 1584 01:41:20,730 --> 01:41:24,390 a Putin Putin lover and a victim of all things. Black and brown 1585 01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:25,380 people she loves it. 1586 01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:27,870 Whatever the situation. Whenever Whenever 1587 01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:28,830 you need it, just switch 1588 01:41:28,830 --> 01:41:33,660 it on. Yeah. Yeah. Rosie get over 100 sets. Yeah, he says 1589 01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:35,490 Hey, guys, keep up the great work. 1590 01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:36,360 Thank you. 1591 01:41:38,010 --> 01:41:44,400 Love from the cast Coverage team. 17 776 Mega, super Giga 1592 01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,480 Liberty boost. Nice blueberry. He's the boost CLI. And he says 1593 01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,180 I would like to share one of my favorite Bill Hicks quotes. 1594 01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,740 Quote, do a commercial. You're off the artistic Roll Call. 1595 01:41:55,890 --> 01:41:59,370 Every word you say a suspect you're a corporate whore and 1596 01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:01,170 into the story. Unquote. 1597 01:42:01,950 --> 01:42:06,150 Gah Yeah, that guy was pretty good. 1598 01:42:07,980 --> 01:42:12,000 The tone wrecker sent us 100,000 sets the breeze and he says 1599 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,330 haven't figured out any way to change music tag from rss.com 1600 01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:18,690 hosting side yet for all the tone record tracks episodes 1601 01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:19,470 boost. 1602 01:42:19,530 --> 01:42:21,150 Oh man, can we set that for 1603 01:42:21,330 --> 01:42:27,270 boost? I thought I thought that was possible. I thought he did 1604 01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:30,390 into dashboard. He said he hadn't figured it out. So Dobby 1605 01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:32,790 das you need to tell tone wrecker how to do that in the 1606 01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:33,330 UI. 1607 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,430 Yeah. Can you do that as an rss.com? 1608 01:42:35,550 --> 01:42:38,880 Is that is that an RSS blue I thought is what he said we're 1609 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:39,240 just saying 1610 01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:49,290 RSS rss.com hosting side see you looking at the rss.com 1611 01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:58,800 RSS ping. Let's see tone recur ping Alberto on the podcast 1612 01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,550 index dot social and ask him you may be able to do if it's not a 1613 01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:05,130 supported tag that they have. They may be able to add it for 1614 01:43:05,130 --> 01:43:05,370 you. 1615 01:43:05,429 --> 01:43:10,079 Oh here he has his next boost. Which is also a booster gram 1616 01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:12,329 which is also 100,000 SATs you get that one? 1617 01:43:12,780 --> 01:43:16,500 Oh yes. This found sovereign feeds to explore how my releases 1618 01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:19,620 appeared when exported upping boost as Dave had mentioned 1619 01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:20,520 altering the medium. 1620 01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:25,590 There you go. Alright. Can you set that in sovereign feeds? 1621 01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,240 The medium tag? Oh, that's most certain. I don't know. But I 1622 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:34,470 would have to think though. I'm gonna be right now. Yes, seems 1623 01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:34,830 like 1624 01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:40,530 seems like stables legs isn't there but I don't know. No, I 1625 01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:50,640 don't actually see it yet. See? I know I know. Stephen bees are 1626 01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:51,690 working on something. 1627 01:43:53,340 --> 01:43:58,080 Steve visa chat he's got I'm sure can you tell me where man 1628 01:43:58,110 --> 01:44:01,230 just tell me where it's in the it's in there. No, but 1629 01:44:01,260 --> 01:44:04,410 I want Steven B to say here's the page because I'm looking at 1630 01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:09,030 it. And I've got the under shown under Show. 1631 01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:15,210 Comic Strip blogger 33,015 sets through fountain and he says 1632 01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:18,060 Dave and Adam, You are cordially requested to invite your 1633 01:44:18,060 --> 01:44:21,180 listenership to put a duck cooking into any web browser or 1634 01:44:21,180 --> 01:44:25,080 podcast app of choice. There in you will find a podcast about 1635 01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:29,610 artificial intelligence narrated by IMDb credited thespian 1636 01:44:29,730 --> 01:44:32,550 Gregory Forman keep it 100 Yo 1637 01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:39,000 are 100 Yeah, it's on the show info actually. Okay, show info. 1638 01:44:39,930 --> 01:44:43,410 He also says everybody send a nasty note to your app 1639 01:44:43,410 --> 01:44:44,940 developer. No, he 1640 01:44:44,940 --> 01:44:48,360 does not say that. No, he just did. He just posted in public 1641 01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:53,790 that we didn't even use my eyes my other ISO Damn it got a big 1642 01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:54,390 boost. 1643 01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:57,180 Where'd that come from? 1644 01:44:58,500 --> 01:45:01,830 It came from Windows week. I got a big boost. 1645 01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:09,690 If only they knew what it meant. They know. I'm very, I'm very 1646 01:45:09,690 --> 01:45:12,810 proud of what we've all done. I'm very proud of yet another 1647 01:45:12,810 --> 01:45:16,590 fantastic year of development and excitement. We have 1648 01:45:16,620 --> 01:45:19,860 invigorated the entire podcasting industry, we have put 1649 01:45:19,860 --> 01:45:23,400 the podcast industrial complex on notice, we're coming for 1650 01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,670 them. We're going to overtake their awards with our shaming 1651 01:45:26,670 --> 01:45:29,520 lists, our value for value, it's going to trump anything they 1652 01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,210 could ever make with advertising, we will crush you. 1653 01:45:36,930 --> 01:45:40,590 That was, yeah, that was that was like a Mel Gibson, 1654 01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:48,960 and also and also, I will not conform to saying follow. I will 1655 01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:53,580 not conform just because two thirds of the apps say it will 1656 01:45:53,580 --> 01:45:56,220 not conform. We were here before they were 1657 01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,810 this. I somehow knew that you were not going to go along with 1658 01:46:00,810 --> 01:46:01,440 this program. 1659 01:46:01,650 --> 01:46:04,830 Well, you know, I was I and actually, this brings me to 1660 01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:10,380 another thought. Would it make sense? So Apple has they they 1661 01:46:10,380 --> 01:46:14,430 say follow this podcast, which in our world is subscribed, so 1662 01:46:14,430 --> 01:46:18,240 you get episodes, and I think subscribe is an appropriate term 1663 01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,080 for what is actually happening. Even under the hood, it's called 1664 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:31,620 subscribe, but okay, whatever. It's a subscription on. Web sub, 1665 01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:34,680 I mean, all this stuff. It's all subscribed. But so they actually 1666 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,550 have subscriptions, which is why they need to change it. Is that 1667 01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:45,540 would it make sense for us to provide apple with a spot or 1668 01:46:45,540 --> 01:46:52,260 Apple podcasters? who produce feeds that go into Apple? Do you 1669 01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:55,620 have to do you have to also have your feed go be hosted with 1670 01:46:55,620 --> 01:46:58,080 Apple when you use their subscriptions? Or can you 1671 01:46:58,230 --> 01:47:01,770 surface those separately? Because I would say why don't we 1672 01:47:01,860 --> 01:47:06,360 have a spot where if if you're able to subscribe to a premium 1673 01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:10,980 show that you pay for through subscription on Apple? Why don't 1674 01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:16,740 we have that something that we can surface on other apps? Does 1675 01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:17,550 that make sense? 1676 01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:23,070 Are you talking about us? Like the namespace? Yeah. Yeah. Open 1677 01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:25,590 Yeah, open subscription is something that we've been sort 1678 01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:26,730 of trying to work out. 1679 01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:30,390 I just want to involve them because you know, they're not 1680 01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:35,430 really participating. But if how can we help them and show them 1681 01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,500 the way I know that they're secretly using the TX T tag? 1682 01:47:41,220 --> 01:47:44,400 Now? don't announce it. Please don't tell anybody you're doing 1683 01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,720 that big secrets. I want to give them more to us because they 1684 01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,510 clearly don't seem to like chapters or transcripts or 1685 01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:54,690 anything you know, they they hate they really hate people who 1686 01:47:54,690 --> 01:47:55,710 have hearing problems 1687 01:47:56,100 --> 01:47:59,760 with it. They just hate or bias I mean, they like 1688 01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:03,840 despise the earth by not using pod ping the despise deaf 1689 01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:04,440 people. 1690 01:48:07,650 --> 01:48:09,240 I mean, I guess I guess we 1691 01:48:09,599 --> 01:48:12,689 I don't know. Is it just too much pandering? Even for me? 1692 01:48:13,619 --> 01:48:17,159 Probably Okay, then. Nevermind. Let's Yeah, yeah, screw those 1693 01:48:17,159 --> 01:48:19,349 guys. In our relationship 1694 01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:22,710 with them is better when when we when we treat when we treat them 1695 01:48:22,710 --> 01:48:29,490 like douche. Douche it's the best way. It's the love. It's 1696 01:48:29,490 --> 01:48:32,550 this adversarial relationship that somehow produces beautiful 1697 01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:32,880 things. 1698 01:48:32,910 --> 01:48:36,240 It does actually. Yeah. And I liked the individual people 1699 01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,050 we've interacted with from Apple Of course. Of course. It's just 1700 01:48:40,050 --> 01:48:42,840 you know, how does how do they do things over there? Not Look, 1701 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,270 I don't mind. Yeah, I don't mean that. But they could be so 1702 01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:46,950 legendary once again. 1703 01:48:47,790 --> 01:48:51,120 Decker. I love how you're saying the the literally the largest 1704 01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,930 company in the world. They could be legendary. If they only did 1705 01:48:54,930 --> 01:48:59,010 the things we wanted. Yes, exactly. In the funny, but I'm 1706 01:48:59,010 --> 01:49:02,040 laughing because I did I don't disagree. Exactly. Hey, 1707 01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:06,270 I'm no longer an Apple user of stuff. You know, I walked away 1708 01:49:06,270 --> 01:49:07,680 for a whole bunch of reasons. 1709 01:49:07,890 --> 01:49:10,530 If they embrace both podcasts and 2.0. Man, Apple could really 1710 01:49:10,530 --> 01:49:11,610 put their name on the map. 1711 01:49:12,300 --> 01:49:15,600 Yeah, right. You guys could be something someday, or yeah, 1712 01:49:15,630 --> 01:49:19,860 maybe even released your apple podcast app on Android. So you 1713 01:49:19,860 --> 01:49:22,500 know, so James Cridland will have nothing to talk about at 1714 01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:23,700 the end of next year. 1715 01:49:25,290 --> 01:49:28,080 Well, I mean, I just know that we have another 100,000 SATs 1716 01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,450 coming which is a good thing. Yeah, I haven't seen it. But 1717 01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:35,160 that was in the bag. Well, it's in the bag. We forgot monthlies. 1718 01:49:35,850 --> 01:49:39,930 Yes, Sir Alex gates the official podcast intrapreneur consultant 1719 01:49:39,930 --> 01:49:44,640 $25 David Norman of hyper catcher. $25 powers the powers 1720 01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:50,520 the back end of the show? Sure does. Tim Hutchins, my buddy $25 1721 01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:56,640 I'll see Oh, Paul Saltzman $22.22 Derek J. Vickery. Great 1722 01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:01,920 name $21. Terry Keller. $5. Soren Miller $5, Jeffery 1723 01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:07,140 Rutherford, $5, Jeremy Kevin all $10 Chris cow and $5 Daymond, 1724 01:50:07,140 --> 01:50:11,370 Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremy gerdts $5. That's it. 1725 01:50:11,790 --> 01:50:14,610 Thank you all very much for your value for value contributions, 1726 01:50:14,610 --> 01:50:18,150 you're helping the entire podcast and 2.0 ecosystem, 1727 01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,390 keeping it running, keeping it alive in the most honest way we 1728 01:50:21,390 --> 01:50:24,930 know, which is without any venture capital, money, any type 1729 01:50:24,930 --> 01:50:29,820 of advertising or sponsors or corporate money, and a complete 1730 01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:33,630 vow of poverty from Adam and Dave, so we're happy to do that. 1731 01:50:33,630 --> 01:50:37,950 And thank you very much for supporting everything. Something 1732 01:50:37,980 --> 01:50:40,830 I had a fleeting thoughts, which I can't quite recall, 1733 01:50:41,370 --> 01:50:45,930 should have anything to do with transcripts, addition, 1734 01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:50,940 additional properties on the transcript tag for auto tagging, 1735 01:50:50,940 --> 01:50:52,350 when something is auto generated. 1736 01:50:52,380 --> 01:50:56,550 That's exactly what it was done. You heard a new voice. I kind of 1737 01:50:56,550 --> 01:51:01,500 liked I liked this idea that it was interesting. Whenever 1738 01:51:01,500 --> 01:51:04,980 Whenever I see James post, while I was talking to a company, I'm 1739 01:51:04,980 --> 01:51:08,610 like, Okay, what does the company want? And so what the 1740 01:51:08,610 --> 01:51:15,540 company wanted was some tagging of whether, I guess the accuracy 1741 01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:20,760 is mainly about the accuracy and about the not stealing and what 1742 01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:21,210 else? 1743 01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:26,940 That's, that's that seemed like it to me, because it all 1744 01:51:26,940 --> 01:51:30,750 revolved around the accuracy to keep people off your back in 1745 01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:35,880 case it misses a word. And did the licensing deal understand 1746 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:36,840 the license part? 1747 01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:41,850 Well, the point is, I do because see, when you live fully value 1748 01:51:41,850 --> 01:51:47,610 for value, you don't care. Let me explain. We have always said 1749 01:51:47,610 --> 01:51:51,480 on no agenda, go ahead copy anything you want copy the show 1750 01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,620 distributed it put it on CDs, cassettes, this USB sticks, you 1751 01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:57,840 know, we had people may remember those little you could do a 1752 01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:02,940 little drop a drop box that were you know, you you could plug it 1753 01:52:02,940 --> 01:52:06,120 into a wall somewhere in a in a coffee shop and provide a 1754 01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:09,210 hotspot that would only have like a file available for 1755 01:52:09,210 --> 01:52:09,930 download. 1756 01:52:11,610 --> 01:52:14,250 And what was this little then you have the little 1757 01:52:14,549 --> 01:52:20,489 note said drops? Yeah, well, no agenda CDs, we had 10s of 1000s 1758 01:52:20,489 --> 01:52:23,999 of those. But also like to know agenda shop. It's like, hey, 1759 01:52:24,029 --> 01:52:27,959 just don't put our faces on it. Now, no agenda and any logos. 1760 01:52:27,959 --> 01:52:30,869 That's all fine. If you want to put curry DeVore I can No, 1761 01:52:30,869 --> 01:52:35,129 that's just us. But anything else? Go for it. We know have no 1762 01:52:35,129 --> 01:52:39,239 contract. They worked out stuff where the artists, they donate 1763 01:52:39,239 --> 01:52:43,289 from time to time, please take all of what we have derivative 1764 01:52:43,289 --> 01:52:47,729 works. Anything's okay. That's the full on. And that's, you 1765 01:52:47,729 --> 01:52:52,499 know, that is in the vein of RSS. It's all open. Here it is. 1766 01:52:52,499 --> 01:52:54,569 I'm putting it out there for you to render it. 1767 01:52:55,650 --> 01:52:59,070 Yes. Well, we do. Yes, what we do on the show, but when you 1768 01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:06,630 are suspicious of people benefiting? So I think what I 1769 01:53:06,630 --> 01:53:10,830 read into it was hey, if people show up and use our service, and 1770 01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:13,740 they get really good transcript, we don't want Google taking 1771 01:53:13,740 --> 01:53:15,600 those and using those for themselves. 1772 01:53:15,839 --> 01:53:18,119 That's, that's what I read. Yeah, that's 1773 01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:22,560 what I read. That's what I read. Yeah. Now it's almost like, the 1774 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,340 next thing I expected was, we want to flag for DRM for 1775 01:53:26,340 --> 01:53:28,110 transcripts. I was kind 1776 01:53:28,110 --> 01:53:32,550 of kind of expecting that. brand safety. We want a brand safe. 1777 01:53:32,580 --> 01:53:35,190 Oh, yeah, we didn't. Oh, yeah, brand safety tag would not be 1778 01:53:35,190 --> 01:53:35,700 great. But 1779 01:53:35,700 --> 01:53:38,460 a Garm would put a Garm code in it or whatever. They 1780 01:53:40,050 --> 01:53:43,860 got the I think we should have an ESG tag. Let's just put it in 1781 01:53:43,860 --> 01:53:47,430 there. So we can just throw an ESG rating for this podcast. It 1782 01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:52,860 what's the scale? zero to five, five stars. zero to five is 1783 01:53:53,730 --> 01:53:58,440 completely arbitrary. Just like Uber you know. So everyone will 1784 01:53:58,440 --> 01:54:00,750 basically have three and a half stars. That's That's how it 1785 01:54:00,750 --> 01:54:01,530 always winds up. 1786 01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:05,160 You went up to four, five stars. 1787 01:54:06,330 --> 01:54:09,090 If you're listening to this podcast, please subscribe 1788 01:54:09,090 --> 01:54:11,850 wherever you get your podcasts and rate us five stars. 1789 01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,450 Now this is a great Oh, this is actually a great idea. This is a 1790 01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:19,590 really good idea because you you can rate it based on if you're 1791 01:54:19,590 --> 01:54:20,910 fake. This. 1792 01:54:21,630 --> 01:54:24,450 Got it. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Genius is coming. 1793 01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:31,530 So this guy is not Lex Friedman. Who's Tim Ferriss. Do you know 1794 01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:36,090 who? Tim Ferriss? Yes, of course. Okay. So his feed. I've 1795 01:54:36,090 --> 01:54:38,340 never listened to the show. I didn't realize that he had been 1796 01:54:38,340 --> 01:54:42,810 around long enough to have this much content. No. Yeah. But I've 1797 01:54:42,810 --> 01:54:47,490 just heard his name. This guy's got his his feed is 22 1798 01:54:47,490 --> 01:54:53,850 megabytes. Try. It's gigantic. Yeah. It bit like broke that 1799 01:54:53,850 --> 01:54:58,560 aggregated. We have a 24 bit of a 24 megabyte limit on what we 1800 01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:03,030 parse it And so it's like you know decompressed and all that 1801 01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:05,790 stuff after you've after it's all said and done it was like 1802 01:55:05,790 --> 01:55:10,980 tuned a little over 24 megabytes. And so I had to go 1803 01:55:10,980 --> 01:55:15,570 fix it, you know, because this is stupid. And then so like, 1804 01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,570 there you go, there's your issue here. ESG is like if you're Oh, 1805 01:55:18,570 --> 01:55:23,610 there he is. If it's more than five megabytes demerit, you get 1806 01:55:23,610 --> 01:55:27,090 a demerit is that if you if you don't use pod thing another 1807 01:55:27,090 --> 01:55:29,250 demerit yeah free Yes 1808 01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:35,760 yes. Now if you have no no wait a minute where are we surfacing 1809 01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:36,180 this 1810 01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:39,660 in the feed yesterday just right just right in the feed it's got 1811 01:55:39,660 --> 01:55:43,080 to be labeled clearly in podcast as right there over on top of 1812 01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:49,200 the show or nothing but a bunch of white guys on the on the on 1813 01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:50,850 the art you know, another demerit? 1814 01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:54,990 Oh man, massive demerit. That's right. Yeah. Now you're into 1815 01:55:56,430 --> 01:56:00,150 your to star show at this point. So bye. Bye, Felicia, you're 1816 01:56:00,150 --> 01:56:00,480 out. 1817 01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:03,660 I love this idea. 1818 01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:07,800 Oh, okay. Well, what a positive way to end our board meeting. We 1819 01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:12,450 are just, we're going to slam people for the ESG scores. And 1820 01:56:13,260 --> 01:56:17,670 both in your feed and in public. I'm so proud of us, Dave? 1821 01:56:18,270 --> 01:56:20,010 Is the TSG. The PSGs. 1822 01:56:21,390 --> 01:56:27,120 But seriously, great work on pod pink 2.0. I'm very excited about 1823 01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,630 this. How can I promote this? And how can we roll this out a 1824 01:56:30,630 --> 01:56:32,280 little further? And who are we targeting? 1825 01:56:32,970 --> 01:56:37,260 I wrote a blog post this week we can about the live the LIVE TAG 1826 01:56:37,260 --> 01:56:41,160 how to how to be live, how to be live. Yeah. And I, I mean, 1827 01:56:41,670 --> 01:56:45,270 that's the thing is we got to have more, we've got to have 1828 01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:50,310 more adoption on the hosting side to make this easier. Right, 1829 01:56:50,370 --> 01:56:53,970 that ace is hard to promote. If you can't, if the pieces aren't 1830 01:56:53,970 --> 01:56:58,350 there. I'm waiting for that first host to jump in and give 1831 01:56:58,350 --> 01:56:59,580 the soup to nuts. 1832 01:57:00,930 --> 01:57:04,050 Have the whole so what is needed? Is the live streaming 1833 01:57:04,050 --> 01:57:06,930 endpoint and chat room. 1834 01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:11,130 Do you mean you could don't really even have to have the 1835 01:57:11,130 --> 01:57:16,140 chat room you could do? You could go live just with the just 1836 01:57:16,140 --> 01:57:17,700 with the tag and a pod pain? 1837 01:57:18,030 --> 01:57:22,710 Yeah. Kind of cool. Yeah, sure. But we have the chat capability 1838 01:57:22,710 --> 01:57:23,670 in there, just 1839 01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:28,290 for sure. For sure is like I think we have to so this is this 1840 01:57:28,290 --> 01:57:33,810 is why I sort of stopped anything else for the moment and 1841 01:57:33,810 --> 01:57:39,150 started working on the 100% Retro feed. Because if if we can 1842 01:57:39,150 --> 01:57:42,780 get that thing working that's alive, beautiful demo of what's 1843 01:57:42,780 --> 01:57:43,320 possible. 1844 01:57:43,349 --> 01:57:47,459 Oh, and being able to Oh, yes. And they're ready. They're 1845 01:57:47,459 --> 01:57:50,849 ready. Like we can have Kim wild promoting our stuff. 1846 01:57:51,420 --> 01:57:55,680 Oh, nice. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So it's a great demo. And 1847 01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:59,280 we can have the end. It's like it's a demo of the full 1848 01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,640 complexity. Like it's not like this cheesy, simple sandbox demo 1849 01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,750 like that has the whole shebang in it. You know, it's got you 1850 01:58:06,750 --> 01:58:10,230 know, how you value boost you got, you know, the live thing we 1851 01:58:10,230 --> 01:58:12,390 could throw it you know, it's got the chat room. It's got 1852 01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:15,570 everything in it. For the full monty. 1853 01:58:15,780 --> 01:58:18,960 Yeah. And so and we'll have all all these different pieces 1854 01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:22,950 firing off in automatically based upon the like, when Kim 1855 01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:27,480 Wilde comes on. It'll be Kim wild Yeah, alive. 100%. Retro, 1856 01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:36,120 but yeah, but what I want is I want her reading booster grams. 1857 01:58:37,620 --> 01:58:40,950 For sure, but we'll make that happen. It's really an 1858 01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:43,500 interesting project. And I have to say for a couple of dudes 1859 01:58:43,500 --> 01:58:45,900 like us we do sing along with a lot of those songs when we're 1860 01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:46,680 listening to it. 1861 01:58:47,220 --> 01:58:50,430 It's the curse I have all my there's no more room in my head. 1862 01:58:50,430 --> 01:58:52,740 It's all song lyrics from 80s and 70s. 1863 01:58:53,400 --> 01:59:00,180 All that it is. Alright, brother. So we have now next is 1864 01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:03,450 let me see what is next week one just Christmas. Is it? Are we 1865 01:59:03,450 --> 01:59:06,870 doing a show on next Friday? I mean, a board meeting. Sorry. 1866 01:59:07,470 --> 01:59:08,370 I'll be here. Yeah. 1867 01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:13,770 I mean, I'll be here. I just want to see what is. Oh, it's 1868 01:59:14,670 --> 01:59:18,570 2030 Okay, perfect. No, perfect, perfect. And then after that. 1869 01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:21,810 It's a 30. So that's perfect that we get to skip anything. 1870 01:59:21,810 --> 01:59:22,590 Yeah, good. We 1871 01:59:22,590 --> 01:59:25,620 got Cridland on the 30th we're going to do we're going to do a 1872 01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,770 bash cred lunch. I mean, I mean an end of year show. 1873 01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:33,960 will be prepared. James. We're excited to have you on 1874 01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:39,780 none and now it'll be fun. Oh, we did I mean, we had to have a 1875 01:59:39,780 --> 01:59:44,010 mon just so we have like a you know some pretense in order to 1876 01:59:44,010 --> 01:59:44,970 collect your money? 1877 01:59:45,510 --> 01:59:49,440 Yes, exactly. Although I think I boosted five times that amount 1878 01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:54,390 just in the past month to their show. No easily. Become I'm 1879 01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:57,210 boosting last but I'm boosting big I'm going big. I'm boosting 1880 01:59:57,210 --> 02:00:01,950 big these days. I'm boosting big makes me feel Good. Yeah. I want 1881 02:00:01,950 --> 02:00:03,420 to hear my name on the podcast. 1882 02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:07,500 We don't have a guest for next week. I guess it's just the two 1883 02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:10,740 of us. We should have somebody on though. No, like it's it's 1884 02:00:10,740 --> 02:00:13,740 too close to Christmas. We get it as they share the love. Well, 1885 02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:16,290 let me let a little Christmas party. 1886 02:00:16,409 --> 02:00:18,869 Okay, let me think about let me think about who we can invite 1887 02:00:18,869 --> 02:00:23,999 for for Christmas. Just just our pre Christmas eggnog 1888 02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:29,010 that day I might have eggnog. Well, well, Russia. 1889 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:36,750 Hey, how about a beef eggnog better. Alright, brother, have a 1890 02:00:36,750 --> 02:00:40,410 great weekend. Take care everybody. Thank you very much 1891 02:00:40,410 --> 02:00:43,230 for being here at the board meeting for podcasting 2.0. 1892 02:00:58,290 --> 02:01:02,850 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1893 02:01:02,850 --> 02:01:05,400 index.org For more information