Episode 125: Wolf Nuts

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,330 Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for March 10 2023, episode 125 We 2 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:13,020 got wolf nuts. Well, no SAP streamers, welcome to podcasting 3 00:00:13,020 --> 00:00:15,960 2.0 Your weekly board meeting of everything happening in 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,240 podcasting. Of course 2.0 means we've upgraded that and fully 5 00:00:21,270 --> 00:00:25,020 backwards compatible. And we're also fully immune from Silicon 6 00:00:25,020 --> 00:00:27,810 Valley Bank contagion. That's right. I'm Adam curry here in 7 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:31,260 the heart of Texas Oak Hill Country. And in Alabama, the bud 8 00:00:31,260 --> 00:00:33,900 for your bowl say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies 9 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,150 and gentlemen, Mr. De 10 00:00:36,179 --> 00:00:41,339 Dave Jones: Jones. My my umbrellas fine. There's no bank 11 00:00:41,339 --> 00:00:41,969 runs on it. 12 00:00:42,990 --> 00:00:46,770 Adam Curry: My wallets good. Yeah, five by five. Oh, you did 13 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:50,970 it. I had the air horn standby, just in case. If you're gonna 14 00:00:50,970 --> 00:00:51,840 mess it up there. 15 00:00:52,260 --> 00:00:54,180 Dave Jones: In the pipe, everything's looking good. On my 16 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:58,110 side. We have full we have full liquidity for all deposits. 17 00:00:58,140 --> 00:01:01,530 Adam Curry: We do everything all everything, business as usual. 18 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:06,060 Nothing to see here. Nothing has gone down. Nothing has stopped. 19 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:10,320 We continue to operate. You know why? Because we have no creepy 20 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:14,010 corporate money. We have no advertising. We exist solely by 21 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:18,360 Your grace in supporting podcasting. 2.0 the pod the 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:24,540 podcast and the project. And we're lit. We're live everybody. 23 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:26,040 streaming live? 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,990 Dave Jones: Yeah, we had a rather sudden we had a 25 00:01:28,410 --> 00:01:31,020 conference call before the show, like we you know, like we do 26 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:35,220 often. And it was read. It was rather subdued in very, like, 27 00:01:35,490 --> 00:01:39,210 low energy to him like it was so like, the energy was sapped out 28 00:01:39,210 --> 00:01:39,510 of me. 29 00:01:39,630 --> 00:01:42,390 Adam Curry: It was super. I mean, I think we can talk about 30 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:44,970 it was nothing secret about it was on one hand, it was kind of 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,120 kind of nice. I know I think about it. It was kind of weird, 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,680 because I had asked for this conference call about five 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,410 months ago. No, no, maybe? No, maybe December, something like 34 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:06,000 that. It was a follow up with with the Pocket Cast, folks. 35 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:08,790 Dave Jones: And just to check in and see what's Yeah, what's 36 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:09,510 going on? Yeah. And 37 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:13,890 Adam Curry: they had Matt Mullenweg on, which is nice. And 38 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:17,070 but you know, since they reached out after such a long time, 39 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:19,740 they're like, yeah, yeah, let's do to do a call. And then they 40 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:21,720 were all kind of waiting for us to say stuff. And we're waiting 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,750 for them to say stuff like, well, let me tell you what we're 42 00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:31,110 doing that. But I mean, is it even known that they're working 43 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:34,500 on implementing the namespace? Is that was that public 44 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,910 knowledge? And I just missed that. 45 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:41,160 Dave Jones: I don't know. It was kind of surprising to me, too. 46 00:02:41,220 --> 00:02:43,470 There was a lot of stuff that didn't seem to. 47 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,060 Adam Curry: We didn't. We didn't know about. Yeah, they know a 48 00:02:48,060 --> 00:02:50,610 lot about stuff that we don't know about, which is Oh, that's 49 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:56,520 interesting. Also, the I think the young lady who's in I guess 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,910 she didn't charge her pocket cash. She the project director 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,020 sounded like it. Yeah, I think she is. She she's in Vegas. So 52 00:03:04,020 --> 00:03:08,730 she was at, at the Vegas podcast show. So maybe she was talking. 53 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,770 We know, she was talking a lot of people there. 54 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,640 Dave Jones: It sounded like she met up with like, Sam and the 55 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,610 gas from Alby and contracts and all that, yeah, she, 56 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:19,620 Adam Curry: they're, they're kind of pumped about value for 57 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:21,840 value. I'm not sure how pumped they are about it, but they 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,830 definitely like it. But they're doing chapters about transcript 59 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:29,040 support chapter support. This is cool stuff. I love hearing this. 60 00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:33,300 This is a big, big app to that to join all this stuff. So 61 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:34,320 that's fantastic. 62 00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:38,760 Dave Jones: She said they're a part of that podcast standards 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,470 group that we don't know. 64 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:44,790 Adam Curry: We have no idea who's running it. But she's 65 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:47,460 like, we're really excited about joining the podcast standards 66 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:50,610 group. Oh, really? Okay, who 67 00:03:52,140 --> 00:03:53,670 Dave Jones: else is taking a little off my feet? Because I'm 68 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:56,190 like, I don't need you. It sounds like you know more about 69 00:03:56,190 --> 00:03:59,280 it than I do. Which, you know, honestly, is kind of exactly 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,030 where I want it to be. 71 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:02,370 Adam Curry: Yeah, I think that's perfect. If there's a group 72 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:05,730 that's being started, which I would presume is kind of a 73 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:09,810 follow on from, from a previous meeting where hosting companies 74 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:12,420 came together that they're, they're doing something so they 75 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:15,930 can all be on the same page that we love that I love. I love us 76 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,810 running with scissors and being crazy, which is exactly what we 77 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:23,130 told them. Okay, yeah, no, that's great. It's whatever the 78 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,430 hosting companies want to do is fantastic. We want to run with 79 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:30,000 scissors. We don't want any constraints. We want to be able 80 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,050 to poke our eye out 81 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:34,530 Dave Jones: that we want to we they get to look at all that 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,020 they get to look at all the stuff that we've done and decide 83 00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:40,920 which parts are insane and which parts are actually usable for a 84 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,370 business. 85 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:44,370 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I think they're almost all usable for 86 00:04:44,370 --> 00:04:49,200 business. Yes. I don't know. Maybe it's just cartel forming. 87 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:53,190 I don't know. Maybe, maybe they're just cartels. We can 88 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:55,500 show them for Rico, Rick? 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,450 Dave Jones: Bizarre. Yeah, that's a tie. And towards the 90 00:05:00,450 --> 00:05:00,900 Tsar. 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,250 Adam Curry: And we talked to him about cross app comments and 92 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:09,810 activity pub. And I guess they they they are doing stuff with 93 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:14,430 activity pub now. With the with the WordPress plugin 94 00:05:16,470 --> 00:05:18,810 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think he said that. They acquired it. 95 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:21,390 Acquire Yeah. That plug in or something. Yeah. Which I know 96 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:25,650 some horror folks have used. Yes. Yes. Sounds like they're 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,580 they're moving and a lot of it was in once. It was nice to have 98 00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:33,240 the the meeting because then it's like, we got to realize 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,640 what they all they were doing that we had no idea about. Yeah. 100 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:37,830 So I felt kind of like halfway through the meeting. I'm like, 101 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:40,770 well, well, yeah, y'all are doing all this stuff. We you 102 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,830 don't need us. Why are we here? That's the beautiful 103 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:46,140 Adam Curry: thing. No one really does need us. But I liked it. 104 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:49,800 Matt paid attention, enough attention to it that he that he 105 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:52,770 dialed into the meeting. That was cool. And he laughed at our 106 00:05:52,770 --> 00:05:55,350 jokes. It's always nice. Always good. Let's make a few make you 107 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:58,980 feel special. I was actually talking about Silicon Valley 108 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,010 Bank beforehand, because if you haven't heard the new Silicon 109 00:06:02,010 --> 00:06:06,000 Valley Bank, basically was closed down by regulators today. 110 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:11,670 Which if you if you know, I smelled something yesterday, I 111 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:15,300 think or the day before even. And so I don't typically watch 112 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,570 CNBC that much. Certainly not in the morning. Like yeah, I'm 113 00:06:18,570 --> 00:06:22,350 gonna check and see what's going on. And this morning around 845. 114 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:25,080 It's like, yeah, you know, stuffs happening. And then, 115 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:30,840 like, at 12 o'clock, or 1111 30. It's been closed by regulators 116 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,570 that went very, very fast. Which means 117 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,050 Dave Jones: Okay, wait, wait, wait. You said it got closed? 118 00:06:37,050 --> 00:06:38,100 The last I heard no, 119 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,040 Adam Curry: it's close. Like shut it down. It's defunct? It's 120 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,140 now a dead bank. Oh, 121 00:06:43,410 --> 00:06:46,110 Dave Jones: because? Okay, so the last article I read last 122 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:48,990 read on it was last night, either this morning, or this 123 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:53,010 year, or last night, it said, and it said the CEO was like, 124 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:54,090 everybody stay calm. 125 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:57,120 Adam Curry: Things are safe. No worries where we heard that 126 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,600 before. And then they shut it down. Yeah, the regulator shut 127 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,630 it down this morning, which means it'll remain closed. It'll 128 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:06,780 I mean, it won't come back. It's a dead bank now. And the reason 129 00:07:06,780 --> 00:07:09,990 why that happened, is over the is, you know, they they 130 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:13,470 overnight, they were like, hey, you know, we're trying to raise 131 00:07:13,470 --> 00:07:17,520 $2 billion. Anyone interested? And everyone, right? No, we're 132 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,740 taking our money out. Because you have to understand Silicon 133 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:24,450 Valley Bank, I had an account there. When we took our, our, 134 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,450 let me see nothing, when when we raise money for pod show slash 135 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:35,370 bvo. The way it works is you raise money. And of course, you 136 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:39,540 give away a percentage of the company for equity, for the 137 00:07:39,540 --> 00:07:42,600 money that you raise. And then they immediately introduce you 138 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,330 to Silicon Valley Bank. And that's where you're expected to 139 00:07:45,330 --> 00:07:48,030 put the money you just raised, which really means it's going 140 00:07:48,030 --> 00:07:50,940 from one account and Silicon Valley Bank to another account, 141 00:07:51,030 --> 00:07:53,910 because all the big venture capital guys have accounts their 142 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:59,250 their general partners, their limited partners, many of them 143 00:07:59,250 --> 00:08:01,860 personally, not the smart ones would never do that. But many of 144 00:08:01,860 --> 00:08:05,760 them still have personal bank accounts there. And the whole 145 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,330 idea is that you raise your money, which is always 146 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:13,260 expensive, because you're giving away equity in the company. And 147 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:17,490 then you can do debt financing, based upon that raise that you 148 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:20,310 have with a favored nation status. So we raise money from 149 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:25,380 Sequoia Capital, from Kleiner Perkins from rom Shri ROM, I 150 00:08:25,380 --> 00:08:28,950 mean, these are all top notch investors. And so then you can 151 00:08:28,950 --> 00:08:31,770 immediately go and get, you know, 10 $10 million in debt 152 00:08:31,770 --> 00:08:36,420 financing. Because of that relationship, many companies 153 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:40,470 also run their payroll through Silicon Valley Bank. So what has 154 00:08:40,470 --> 00:08:45,330 happened now is now it this is the weird thing, it closed with 155 00:08:45,930 --> 00:08:49,140 the closer with $200 billion in assets, and apparently only like 156 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:54,000 150 billion in liability. So the question now is, what is that 157 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,720 asset number based on? Is it FTX? Is it they have been 158 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,220 involved with a lot of shit coins, and I think now now it's 159 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:08,040 coming to roost. So this bank has basically failed, that has 160 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,330 not happened since Lehman Brothers in 2008. This is this 161 00:09:12,330 --> 00:09:15,540 is a much bigger deal. And I think you're also going to see 162 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,560 all these little companies, they all have their money there, they 163 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,290 were desperately trying to get it out yesterday, some of them 164 00:09:22,290 --> 00:09:25,410 got money out, but most of them didn't. So all they have left is 165 00:09:25,410 --> 00:09:30,780 $250,000, which is insured by the FDIC for each account that 166 00:09:30,780 --> 00:09:35,580 you have. So this could put companies out of business, we 167 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:39,330 everyone has payroll coming up in five days, that could screw 168 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:41,760 up payroll that people literally are not getting paid because the 169 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,340 money was supposed to be sent from Silicon Valley Bank, I mean 170 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:50,610 this it could be a very, very, very big problem. And of course, 171 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:53,700 now we're going to find out, you know, as we talked about 172 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:59,970 contagion, how many banks or instrument or derivatives were 173 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,630 We're connected to the business of Silicon Valley Bank was doing 174 00:10:04,590 --> 00:10:06,780 and that they involve much bigger banks. 175 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,620 Dave Jones: This had to they had to be the bank for FTX. They had 176 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:11,340 to they were 177 00:10:11,370 --> 00:10:13,500 Adam Curry: no they weren't. That's what wired it because the 178 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,080 first one that went down to silver gate, and these are 179 00:10:16,110 --> 00:10:19,200 official banks, you know, banks that were dealing mainly in 180 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,690 crypto, most definitely, Silicon Valley Bank was kind of the 181 00:10:24,690 --> 00:10:27,900 darling of all these bigger crypto plays. And so they 182 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:29,520 weren't, they weren't, you know, they were running the money 183 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,910 through that. And when FTX closed, I think their exposure 184 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:37,740 was over a billion dollars right off the bat. And then then they 185 00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:40,800 have bonds, and then their bonds become less desirable. So they 186 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,680 were selling their bonds at a loss. And then there just became 187 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,830 a run on the bank. Peter Thiel last night called up all of his 188 00:10:46,830 --> 00:10:49,140 companies that he's invested in said, take your money out 189 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:52,920 immediately. That's a bank run. So definitely, that was a bank 190 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,280 run. 191 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:57,720 Dave Jones: That was a by Nance move is what that was against 192 00:10:57,930 --> 00:11:02,400 Silicon Valley Bank. Could he be the first guy to get out? wins? 193 00:11:02,730 --> 00:11:06,210 Always. Always you get all your you get all your money. And 194 00:11:06,210 --> 00:11:09,810 after that, you just don't even care that this this is gonna get 195 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:13,740 worse because we. So you know, I keep bringing up this book 196 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:14,850 Secrets of the temple. 197 00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:17,040 Adam Curry: That yes, that you've been reading, which is 198 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,630 the chick repellent? 199 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,900 Dave Jones: Yes. It's basically Yeah, it's like, it's the Aquila 200 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:26,250 is the literary equivalent of garlic and across is what it is. 201 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:32,490 So they, but it's, but it's very, very good. And I love 202 00:11:32,490 --> 00:11:36,450 books like this, because it was written. It was written in like 203 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:42,720 1991. So this historical perspective from this completely 204 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:48,090 unpolluted by any modern politics, or, or anything like 205 00:11:48,150 --> 00:11:52,860 that there's nobody left, who has a hand who has a vested 206 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:56,730 interest in covering things up really, you know, that there 207 00:11:56,730 --> 00:12:01,560 kind of is over. So yes, called Secrets of the temple by William 208 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:06,240 Greider. And the one of the things, the pictures, he paints 209 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:11,790 of the inflationary period. That is really a mirror of what we're 210 00:12:11,790 --> 00:12:18,180 going through now that he talks about how they the Fed, they 211 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:21,930 kept raising rates, and they couldn't stop it. Right. They 212 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,780 they got all the way they took at some point, at one point they 213 00:12:24,780 --> 00:12:30,510 took the they took the governor off. And they said, Okay, we're 214 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,200 not going to moderate interest rates, we're going to instead 215 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,530 what we're going to do is we're going to focus on bank reserves. 216 00:12:37,950 --> 00:12:41,280 So essentially, they were trying to regulate the money supply 217 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,570 directly. So they said, Okay, we're not what we took when we 218 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,640 deregulated and maximum interest rate levels, because there used 219 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,820 to be a maximum interest rate, you could charge. And once that 220 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:57,420 level was hit, banks just stopped lending altogether. And 221 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:02,340 they said, Okay, we're going to take that off. And instead, 222 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:05,910 we're just gonna focus on regulating only bank reserves, 223 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,810 and let the interest rate respond, however it wants to in 224 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,560 a natural way. That's how you ended up with 20% interest 225 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:19,590 rates. So the banks, it wasn't that the Fed directly raised the 226 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:23,190 interest rates to 20% is that they got there when they took 227 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:25,980 the when they took the governor, right, 228 00:13:25,980 --> 00:13:30,600 Adam Curry: the problem. And the difference now is the speed at 229 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,690 which they raise the rates, what is slipping, like eight rate 230 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:38,730 raises in this past in the past nine months or something, which 231 00:13:38,730 --> 00:13:43,200 is incredibly fast. Everyone said, it has to stop at 5%. And 232 00:13:43,230 --> 00:13:45,210 this is the Federal Reserve raising the interest rate, but 233 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:48,870 not not the banks. And they and they went over that they just 234 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:51,900 went over that. And that is going to hurt every single bank 235 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:57,150 no matter what, what I'm suspicious of these, and I'm 236 00:13:57,150 --> 00:14:04,830 really not a banker. But the what happens when you raise like 237 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:08,490 that is the banks just aren't capitalized enough for the bonds 238 00:14:08,490 --> 00:14:13,080 that they hold. And I from what I understand, they're, you know, 239 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,140 typically these banks have to have 10% reserve and they go 240 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:19,530 through these so called stress tests, but I think during COVID, 241 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,320 they didn't have to have any reserve, it could be zero, and 242 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,920 I'm not sure that they ever removed that, you know, endless 243 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,730 limitation. 244 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,790 Dave Jones: So there's a difference there though. So they 245 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:33,900 the small banks don't are not under those onerous reserve 246 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:37,050 requirements. But the big systemic banks there's a list of 247 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:40,170 them that are under the so called, like too big to fail 248 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:44,280 system. They're quote unquote, systemic right banks, and those 249 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,600 do have they do have requirements. Okay. Yeah. And 250 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,740 they're well capitalized by the Fed directly really, I mean, 251 00:14:52,770 --> 00:14:55,050 through the through the monitor, you know, through the markets, 252 00:14:55,050 --> 00:14:56,940 but there there are, 253 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,420 Adam Curry: yeah, but only policy only if the if If the 254 00:15:00,420 --> 00:15:03,300 money markets if they if they're functioning, and they've been 255 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:05,700 pretty much in irons, you know, they've been trying to sell 256 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:08,010 treasuries has been very hard to sell treasuries. 257 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:12,030 Dave Jones: What happened in what happened in that effect? 258 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:13,830 Adam Curry: I, by the way, I hate it when you know so much 259 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:16,770 about this stuff, it's really annoying. So stop reading that 260 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:17,130 book. 261 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:22,980 Dave Jones: What happened, then, you know, interest rates kept 262 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:27,900 going up. And they could not make the banks stop lending, 263 00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:33,360 because it got in if interest rates were still mortgages were 264 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,070 still being taken out at 17 1819 20%. Right? They were 265 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:42,120 labor, they felt powerless to make it stop. And what happened 266 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,470 was, it was a psychological human behavior issue. Because 267 00:15:46,740 --> 00:15:51,960 the, the, everybody when when inflation really settles into, 268 00:15:52,650 --> 00:15:57,930 to the public consciousness, you, you feel like you have to 269 00:15:57,930 --> 00:16:02,910 go buy, because you got to get it before the rate goes up. And 270 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:08,190 you want real goods, you want you want hard assets, in order 271 00:16:08,190 --> 00:16:13,020 to protect yourself from the and from the devaluation of your of 272 00:16:13,020 --> 00:16:17,220 your cash. And there's nowhere else to put it. And so that that 273 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:20,910 was bad enough back then. But then now it's even worse, I 274 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:22,560 think, because you have 275 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:25,440 Adam Curry: credit card debt, auto loan debt, I mean, people 276 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,910 are dead people live by debt. Yep. And that's exactly right. 277 00:16:29,970 --> 00:16:32,820 So the problem here is ultimately, you know, the 278 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:37,740 government bails these these accounts out FDIC, I, someone 279 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:43,170 sent me this, there was, it was the FDIC meeting, and I think it 280 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:46,740 was the January meeting. And I And now I'm going back trying to 281 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:49,770 find this clip from the original source because I never trust any 282 00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:52,920 of these clips to just show up. And these guys literally in that 283 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,970 meeting are talking about a bail in, which means, which means 284 00:16:56,970 --> 00:16:59,790 when the bank fails, they take your money that they're holding 285 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:08,640 to fix it. And the overall concept here is that what could 286 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,170 happen and this is out there is that if it's systemic, if some 287 00:17:13,170 --> 00:17:15,810 of these banks start to fail, and the government really 288 00:17:15,810 --> 00:17:18,270 doesn't have the money, they'd have to print more, which we 289 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:21,390 can't do at this moment at all, because, you know, we have not 290 00:17:21,420 --> 00:17:24,180 agreed to raise the debt ceiling so the timing could not be more 291 00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:27,420 perfect. That you could wake up in the morning and you've saved 292 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:30,720 let's say you have $1,000 in your account, you'd have $1,000 293 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,460 but it would be you know, fed the coin or something. That's 294 00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:38,190 really that's really a possibility. That could really 295 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:38,790 happen. 296 00:17:39,930 --> 00:17:46,500 Dave Jones: That's, that reminds me of Lebanon. Yes. Yeah, that 297 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,240 sounds Lebanese to me. 298 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:52,440 Adam Curry: Well, the difference is Lebanon, they just closed the 299 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,400 banks like It's like alright, your money or like turkey same 300 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,270 thing you know, the lira has devalued by 90%. But what they 301 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,990 could do here is they could say well, it's still it's still $1 302 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:06,930 It's just now it's a digital dollar. It's the fed coin, which 303 00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:09,450 would function the same way I mean, I'm not sure about the 304 00:18:09,450 --> 00:18:12,000 value on the international market but the problem is the 305 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,400 control over it you know, they would have complete control over 306 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:14,850 your money 307 00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:20,130 Dave Jones: this what's the what's the Netherlands? What's 308 00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:23,580 that can that word and then Dutch the conspiracy to the wolf 309 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:28,260 nuts or something like that wolf not what what's what 310 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,230 Adam Curry: show title wolf knots? I don't know what 311 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:37,500 Dave Jones: I said what was nuts I think what's the what's the 312 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,910 what are some Dutch term that means like some crazy conspiracy 313 00:18:41,910 --> 00:18:47,400 theorists that somebody calls you, oh, VP, VP, VP is now is 314 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,690 now worth notes. Yes. Perfect. 315 00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:52,650 Adam Curry: Wa PPIE VP, 316 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,370 Dave Jones: okay, yeah, that's that's the the fatty coin that's 317 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:59,010 the that's the VP VP coin. 318 00:18:59,220 --> 00:19:04,290 Adam Curry: Well, I'm all in on that. You know. I would like to 319 00:19:04,290 --> 00:19:09,240 see something happen I don't want people to go poor and I 320 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,910 don't think we will. But something's got to happen. 321 00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:15,180 Dave Jones: What what what's impressive to me honestly, is 322 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:18,240 that in attend to think about this when these things happen, 323 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,910 we've had a series of these now these sort of big crypto market 324 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:25,080 failure Oh yeah, 325 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:25,920 Adam Curry: big one things 326 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:29,130 Dave Jones: and what what's kind of impressive to me is that yes, 327 00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:34,260 Bitcoin takes a hit. But if you think about it, it's it's not 328 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:37,560 nearly as bad as you think it would be. Like that. I mean, 329 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,830 Bitcoin it just tends to have a dent and comes right back. Yeah, 330 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:44,130 sure. Like it's very resilient to whatever this is this going 331 00:19:44,130 --> 00:19:47,820 on. Yeah, sometimes it feels and sometimes, especially I read 332 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:53,010 yesterday was the new Biden budget proposal which there's 333 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,670 some currently there's some crazy crap in there, but one of 334 00:19:56,670 --> 00:20:00,450 them was like a 30% tax on my crypto and Bitcoin mine. ers. 335 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,210 Did you see that? No, I didn't. I haven't seen it read the whole 336 00:20:03,210 --> 00:20:07,110 budget yet. I just saw the toppling of long term capital 337 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:08,160 gains tax. Yeah. To 338 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,120 Adam Curry: 40. To 40%. Sure. Sounds fair. Yeah. But no one 339 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:16,200 unknown who makes under $400,000 We'll get a get will have paid a 340 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,320 penny more in tax, which of course, is a lie, because the 341 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,610 hidden tax is inflation. Yeah, yeah. And it ends the inflation 342 00:20:23,610 --> 00:20:27,510 I'd say is, is maybe even 20% Now, you know, 10% price 343 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:31,380 inflation, and 10% Shrink inflation, translation. 344 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:34,740 Dave Jones: Translation. Yeah, the cans are getting smaller. 345 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,550 They really 346 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:37,950 Adam Curry: are. It's noticeable. I mean, I got this I 347 00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:40,980 got this Dr. Pepper here, seven and a half fluid ounces. It's 348 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:45,060 still like $18 for this one can I'm telling you it's crazy. What 349 00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:48,240 to do with it. We're all gonna die. 350 00:20:48,689 --> 00:20:50,669 Dave Jones: I need to buy a whole bunch. I just finished my 351 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:53,219 base milkshake. I need to buy a whole bunch more pouches of that 352 00:20:53,219 --> 00:20:56,549 before it before the shrink relation mental contagion. That 353 00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:56,939 happens. 354 00:20:56,970 --> 00:20:59,910 Adam Curry: But the best, the best part? Wait, did you hear 355 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:07,170 about the Perth Mint in Australia? Oh, no. So they were 356 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,000 they were doping their gold. So they sold like 100,000 tons of 357 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,450 gold to the Shanghai exchange. And they were putting a little 358 00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:18,570 bit extra silver in there. And so now they may have to know 359 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Yeah, they may have to compensate by taking that back 360 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,430 to the tune of $8 billion. 361 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:28,500 Dave Jones: Are you kidding me? Yes, like pieces of aid type 362 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:29,730 thing all over again. Yeah, 363 00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:31,470 Adam Curry: cut cutting off. You know, what were the what they 364 00:21:31,470 --> 00:21:36,600 call it. souping back in the blog. Like way back in the day 365 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,660 you put your your gold and your silver coins into a bag and you 366 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:42,720 shake it, shake it, shake it, and then little filings would 367 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,850 come off of it and you collect that. 368 00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:50,580 Dave Jones: Purse mint. That's one of the major mints in the 369 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:51,180 world. It's a 370 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:54,150 Adam Curry: huge scam. I think I have a clip of that actually. 371 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:54,720 Oh, sorry. I 372 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,190 Dave Jones: used to have some some. 373 00:21:56,790 --> 00:22:00,870 Adam Curry: You I knew you. I knew you're a gold guy. 374 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:05,460 Dave Jones: I used to have three, one ounce kookaburras 375 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,110 Have you seen those? That's it? No, 376 00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:09,390 Adam Curry: I only had the Cougar Cougar ends I got the 377 00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:10,710 Cooper grands got the heads 378 00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:12,630 Dave Jones: of Cougar hands. Yeah, you're listening to this 379 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:17,220 was an extraordinary story. Can you first of all tell me why did 380 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:19,950 they dope the gold as it's called? Yeah, 381 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,160 Unknown: good morning, they were looking 2018 The Perth Mint was 382 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,830 under quite a bit of financial pressure. And so they took a 383 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:33,600 decision to dilute or to dope their gold and that basically 384 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,830 means that they added tiny amounts of silver into the mix 385 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:42,990 that makes in their gold bars. And this was a really a It's not 386 00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:45,630 illegal, but it's a really high risk strategy because it leaves 387 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:45,810 it's 388 00:22:45,810 --> 00:22:49,050 Adam Curry: not illegal. I don't see how that was not illegal. 389 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:51,480 Dave Jones: How can it not be illegal? 390 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:56,580 Adam Curry: What else I'll fast forward to the end of this 391 00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:58,110 report. 100 tons 392 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:01,440 Unknown: of gold to internal staff members had made some 393 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:07,170 estimates they made a estimate that up to 100 tonnes of gold 394 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:10,440 that they had sent to the Shanghai Gold Exchange was 395 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,030 potentially below the Shanghai exchange standards and may need 396 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:20,550 to be recalled now. That is $9,000,000,001.7 billion worth 397 00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:21,090 of gold. 398 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,790 Adam Curry: Now of course that's australian dollar we do so I 399 00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:26,040 guess it's what a buck 50 or something it's not it's not a 400 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,730 lot of money say 401 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:27,390 Dave Jones: 6000 402 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:33,060 Adam Curry: Oh, nice picture of your your Kookaburra Yes, a 403 00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:37,050 Dave Jones: pretty coin and it's very bland coin. Yeah, like I 404 00:23:37,050 --> 00:23:39,540 can't believe that they did that. What what does that 405 00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:42,180 meeting look like by the way today? What's that board 406 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:42,870 meetings? Hey, 407 00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:45,660 Adam Curry: we're screwed what can we do Jade All right, and 408 00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:47,850 the board meeting? I don't know. And 409 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:51,450 Dave Jones: what if we put some stuff in the gold coins? That's 410 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:54,660 not gold? Oh, what did I do that did Jim has 411 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,650 Adam Curry: tungsten for instance. Somehow it made me 412 00:23:58,650 --> 00:24:01,680 feel really powerful that what we're doing it's like you know, 413 00:24:01,710 --> 00:24:06,270 not just the fact that we don't have that type of here's here's 414 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:13,680 what I was thinking about yesterday when it comes to the 415 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:20,520 adaptation of Bitcoin you have people actually sending off 416 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,850 their Bitcoin to other people in a transaction airy fashion you 417 00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:26,880 know, it's called a value for value donation or whatever you 418 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,730 want to call it. And so this is not a huddling situation. People 419 00:24:32,730 --> 00:24:38,430 are who receive it like you and I we receive from our podcast we 420 00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:43,290 will I receive from no agenda. Where do you where do you get 421 00:24:43,290 --> 00:24:46,590 your your Bitcoin from? You buy it? 422 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,400 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, but I have a look at dollar cost. 423 00:24:50,430 --> 00:24:51,840 You have a bass on every month 424 00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:54,210 Adam Curry: but you have no income No, no SATs incoming 425 00:24:54,210 --> 00:24:57,870 because our stuff all goes to the index. You didn't show you 426 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:02,160 need another show you either show your show with your wife or 427 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,990 something so you get some of your own SAFS 428 00:25:04,409 --> 00:25:08,759 Dave Jones: No, I get you have me in like a 1% split I think 429 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,799 for the for my hella pad. 430 00:25:10,949 --> 00:25:13,049 Adam Curry: All right, right, right, right. Okay, so yeah. So 431 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:16,469 so whatever it is, we get SATs, we send them right back out and 432 00:25:16,469 --> 00:25:20,309 then you know, some people use it and send it back to other 433 00:25:20,309 --> 00:25:24,329 podcasters other people take it and buy beer for conference 434 00:25:24,329 --> 00:25:28,079 goers Okay, fine, fine, whatever. I prefer to keep that 435 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:33,299 in the in the system. But what I what I realized is that across 436 00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:39,449 the board, the numerology is showing adoption of of Bitcoin 437 00:25:39,449 --> 00:25:43,709 because no one says, Thanks for your $5 Thanks for your 275 438 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:51,869 We're all talking about 100,000 SATs 25,000 SATs 5150 6969 7777 439 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,669 That isn't an adoption of a currency. We're not thinking of 440 00:25:56,669 --> 00:26:02,609 it in Monat in in Fiat dollar level anymore. If we ever really 441 00:26:02,609 --> 00:26:05,129 were at the beginning, I think people were like, well, that's 442 00:26:05,129 --> 00:26:10,259 nothing. But now, no, no, we're not. I think people are getting 443 00:26:10,259 --> 00:26:13,919 their own their own feel of oh, 100,000 That's a big baller, you 444 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:16,679 know that that's a that's a substantial number. Whereas that 445 00:26:16,679 --> 00:26:21,209 number actually in dollars fluctuates. I think somehow, and 446 00:26:21,209 --> 00:26:23,969 other people may be better explaining it to me. This proves 447 00:26:23,969 --> 00:26:27,119 adoption. As a currency. 448 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,860 Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz it Yeah, I think you're right, because so I 449 00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:33,720 was building the charts. 450 00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:38,520 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. I led you right to it, didn't I? You 451 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,850 did. 452 00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:43,620 Dave Jones: You've led me there. And it was good. I'm glad it 453 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:48,810 was. It was a fun project. It was like a nice little side side 454 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:51,630 gig that I could do that was that was just fun, because I've 455 00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:53,700 never done any chart stuff before. 456 00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:56,130 Adam Curry: It turned out really good. And I bought a domain 457 00:26:56,190 --> 00:27:01,110 domain name for you. Oh, you did not. I did V for v stats.com. 458 00:27:01,710 --> 00:27:07,200 Oh, nice. Okay, and it's running as we speak. Okay. V four v 459 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,130 stats.com. 460 00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:09,990 Dave Jones: I will move the bucket and I'll tell you where 461 00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:17,310 to point it. So, the this the charts, initially when I built 462 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:23,940 it right now it's at stats dot podcast index.org/v Four v. And 463 00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:26,880 Adam Curry: I have a question right off the bat. Okay, looking 464 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,340 at that, because I saw it yesterday. I'm looking at it 465 00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:36,930 today. It appears that when it hits midnight, and updates the 466 00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:41,130 chart, it starts with whatever has come in for that day. So it 467 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:46,170 this goes up to March 10, which is today and it shows number 468 00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:53,490 almost near zero. That maybe you need to compile it at 1159 59 469 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,620 Dave Jones: I think I'm gonna have to make it where it where 470 00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:03,420 it excludes today. So he starts from, like 24 hours ago and goes 471 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,760 yeah, yeah, I just noticed that a while ago as well, 472 00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:08,429 Adam Curry: because it looks like oh shit. The Silicon Valley 473 00:28:08,429 --> 00:28:13,799 Bank contagiousness. Like it's a very sad chart. I don't like it 474 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,949 like this. I don't like it when every single one is like Oh, 475 00:28:16,979 --> 00:28:24,239 boo. But even though it was still so by midnight. Now it 476 00:28:24,239 --> 00:28:25,859 doesn't it doesn't tell me how many 477 00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:28,620 Dave Jones: this it does. If you if you if you hover over the 478 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,430 load dot you? 479 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:37,020 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. 180,081 Yet at midnight? Yeah, that's 480 00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:39,690 section and that's actually I like that. 481 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:43,230 Dave Jones: So what's what's pretty nice. I mean, I don't 482 00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:46,110 really know how to get an average I can probably, like 483 00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:48,180 probably do an average where it would have sold just like this 484 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:52,950 little secondary line running back in the in the background. 485 00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:57,810 But most of the time, even on down days, it's still around a 486 00:28:57,810 --> 00:29:00,630 million sets. Oh yeah. But then you just have these, these 487 00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:05,550 spikes up to three, 3 million sets on a regular basis per day. 488 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,950 Adam Curry: That's release days. It's so obvious you can see what 489 00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:11,550 day you want to release on when that's exactly what that is. So 490 00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:15,450 I'm sure that some of that's our show podcasting. 2.0 I'm sure we 491 00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:19,830 spiked the stats I'm sure rabbit hole recap. You know, just look 492 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:24,270 at the fountain Top radio. Yeah, all that stuff spike, it becomes 493 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:28,290 really wild. The thing I requested which you are which 494 00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:31,020 you already said it's in the table and that'll get done is 495 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,430 number of transactions. I think that's that's pretty important 496 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:40,530 number just to see how many people are actually interacting 497 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:44,190 and then man, I could give you a million other ideas, boost 498 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:47,340 versus streams etc. This is all this is combined. I take it 499 00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:48,570 right. Yes. 500 00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:51,630 Dave Jones: Yes, that's right. Yeah, boosting is training. So 501 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:57,060 here's here's another idea. So I posted this, the link to this on 502 00:29:57,060 --> 00:30:01,530 noster because I'm forcing myself to live over there and 503 00:30:01,530 --> 00:30:06,750 noster as well. Yeah. And immediately I got back a reply 504 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,640 that said, let me see if I can pull it up. Do I get back a 505 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,660 snarky reply 506 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:14,730 Adam Curry: go into what exactly did you post? 507 00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:18,659 Dave Jones: So I just posted a link to 508 00:30:19,439 --> 00:30:22,019 Adam Curry: STATS chart you got a snarky reply 509 00:30:22,949 --> 00:30:26,099 Dave Jones: Yeah, so I posted the link to the stats chart and 510 00:30:26,699 --> 00:30:31,919 and I got a reply that says so noster still being a baby 511 00:30:31,949 --> 00:30:35,249 already outperforms a more settled V for fee put in the for 512 00:30:35,249 --> 00:30:39,719 V podcasting quote, industry, unquote. What asshole was that? 513 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,049 I don't know somebody named Tony. Anyways, 514 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800 Adam Curry: Tony, this dude named Tony. Okay. He says 515 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,010 Dave Jones: anyways, I'm sure nostril will help V for V 516 00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:53,910 podcasting reach net Lex next levels in no time. Okay, well, 517 00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:58,740 we'll hang around for that. Yeah, so NZ posted a link that 518 00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:07,080 shows over to zap life and dot lol which I think is the 519 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,070 greatest domain name. And I've seen in a while zap Live dot 520 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:17,250 lol. And it says over the past seven days 15,604,898 SATs have 521 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:21,540 been zapped. Sure. So So he's saying that and then he shows a 522 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:25,650 comparison chart from the V for V stats, this shows 523 00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:33,510 2000 10,625,000 SATs. So 5 million SATs more had been 524 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:37,260 zapped over the last week on noster than have been sent to 525 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:40,830 podcasters on fee for V and that's that's clearly an 526 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:47,610 indication that noster is better. Tony, Thanks, Tony. 527 00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:50,700 Thanks that this is a this is clear. Like he doesn't even have 528 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:58,170 to really explain it. So my thought was okay, there needs to 529 00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:05,580 be a better apples to apples comparison. Yes. I mean, I don't 530 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,160 Adam Curry: even care about the comparison. But yes, in case we 531 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,100 need it. Yes. A better a better better one. Okay. 532 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:16,740 Dave Jones: Yes. So, um, so this is not a, you know, who stuff is 533 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:20,070 bigger contest, because it's to me, it's complete apples and 534 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:24,930 oranges. But, and, and and I don't care. But, but that did 535 00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:32,940 bring up a good idea. Which is, it would be nice to see a per 536 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:38,970 listener, a SATs per listener metric, where you say, Okay, how 537 00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:44,610 many? Here's the this, this 10,625,629 sets over the last 538 00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:48,870 seven days. How many listeners represent how many listeners 539 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,290 were sending SAS? What does that how many people were are 540 00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:57,390 responsible for that much? Savage. Right? Savage. And so 541 00:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,500 then, if you like, if you were going to compare that to 542 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:06,120 something like noster or some other metric, you could say, 543 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Okay, here's, here's your average podcast listener. And 544 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,620 here's how much they send to a creator. And then here's your 545 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:20,160 average. Not Nasir noster. An ostrich and how much they send 546 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,580 to in zaps and my gut instinct. Is that a lightning pot? Is that 547 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:32,820 a podcast? Listener? Sins way more than your average nostril 548 00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:33,240 dude. 549 00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:39,210 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm I'm so sure you're right. No doubt about it. 550 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:41,370 What did you send me how you send me more pictures? What is 551 00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:45,000 Dave Jones: this? Yeah. So tone records sent send us some shows 552 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,370 some album art for this. For this. He 553 00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:49,680 Adam Curry: wants us to change the album art. Oh, 554 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:52,590 Dave Jones: no. Further. We wait said last time that. 555 00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:54,330 Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. You're right. You're right. I'm 556 00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:56,490 sorry. Yeah, we did say that, didn't we? Yeah. 557 00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:59,790 Dave Jones: We would take some per episode out more. So he sent 558 00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:01,740 us some very pretty. 559 00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:03,960 Adam Curry: Let me take a look at this. It didn't show up. And 560 00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:04,740 oh, I have to. 561 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:07,110 Dave Jones: It's a collage. 562 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,690 Adam Curry: What is a JPEG? 563 00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:10,890 Dave Jones: A PNG 564 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,310 Adam Curry: is weird. For some reason. It doesn't want to open 565 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:18,360 it nicely for me. Let's see. Use windows. Who the hell knows what 566 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,120 Windows doing? Now we go. Wow, it's taking How big is fives if 567 00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:27,810 I have nothing? Big. This is weird. Sounds weird. 568 00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:33,450 Dave Jones: Okay, well. Let's see. where's the where's the 569 00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:38,280 original? I can get it for you. What happened to? I'll send you 570 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,050 the zip file that's got all of it in there. 571 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,980 Adam Curry: Yeah, because it's sorry, photos can't open this 572 00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:47,340 file. It's a format that's unsupported or corrupted. 573 00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:51,180 Dave Jones: Oh, well. I'll send it to you after the show. Okay. 574 00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:53,370 Yeah. Good. It's very nice, though. It's very 575 00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:56,850 Adam Curry: pretty. Well, anyway, I'm very proud of of 576 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,620 what I'm seeing here. I mean, so we're looking at a Mmm. dailies 577 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:07,950 have over a million saps well over a million in some cases. I 578 00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:11,910 know the other metrics we have, we also have average average 579 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:15,060 payment size, which I think is also a nice one. I think that's 580 00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:17,670 actually maybe even a very important one. 581 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,260 Dave Jones: You mean like, like, what is the average boost or 582 00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:23,190 average stream? 583 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:25,950 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I mean, it'd be nice to break it out. 584 00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:28,560 Because boost versus streams, you know, that's a difference. 585 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,410 But I'll tell you, in most cases, I see. I see more. Oh, 586 00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:41,040 that is that's a lot of artwork there. In most cases, I see a 587 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,190 larger amount of streaming sites versus the booster grams, the 588 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:46,650 streaming sites are not to be discounted, people are really 589 00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:49,680 using that in a very silent way that's kind of crept up. It's 590 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,600 gotten pretty, pretty big. 591 00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:55,470 Dave Jones: Let me tell you this, I forget about it. And I 592 00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:58,800 forget, I get so used to boosting to show that how much I 593 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,270 love the show that that I forget about the streaming sets. And 594 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:06,390 then every now and then I'll look. I'll be listening to a 595 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:09,630 show for a while. And then my wallet will run out. 596 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,000 Adam Curry: And how did that happen? Why didn't lose that 597 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,320 much. I've had that happen to? 598 00:36:13,709 --> 00:36:16,949 Dave Jones: And then I think oh, well, that's actually sent quite 599 00:36:16,949 --> 00:36:19,679 a bit. So it makes me feel better. Because I'm like, Oh, I 600 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,769 don't have to remember. You know, I just I just know I'm 601 00:36:22,769 --> 00:36:25,529 always by just just by listening, I am supporting 602 00:36:25,529 --> 00:36:25,739 What's 603 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,880 Adam Curry: your default? 100. My default has been 200 for a 604 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,750 long time. 605 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,809 Dave Jones: 200 sets of man, what does that come to about? 606 00:36:33,809 --> 00:36:35,129 Like for an app per hour? 607 00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:37,560 Adam Curry: I don't know. I just, I just like to number. 608 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:43,140 Yeah, I really don't know. When I run out. I just look at what 609 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:46,590 do I have some shop somewhere else? I'm sure I can fill it 610 00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:52,170 fill up a wallet from somewhere. No, it's it just feels good. It 611 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:55,080 feels like it's all kind of coming together. I really like 612 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,340 it. And did Sam announced his pod fans thing is that the 613 00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:03,300 Dave Jones: big news and I was thinking something like that. 614 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:06,270 Maybe he was going to be some big news, but I didn't hear 615 00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:07,080 anything about it. 616 00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:10,290 Adam Curry: And I think he demoed it on stage with the with 617 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:14,430 Albie guys, but I'm not sure exactly. If he released it yet. 618 00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:19,680 He may be waiting for podcast, podcast movement, London or 619 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,140 whatever. How many of these times are there? 620 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,800 Dave Jones: On show London now. 621 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,950 Adam Curry: From feedback, I can say that we are saving or 622 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:36,240 creating lives daily as I continue to push back on the 623 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:36,870 pods 624 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:41,160 Dave Jones: will remind me what pod was 625 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,610 Adam Curry: pod speeding use disorder. Yes, people who have 626 00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:50,220 been speeding up their podcast listening are now slowing it 627 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:53,550 down and finding they're less anxious. Particularly that 628 00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:56,640 there's you know, who was it that sent me this? I think it 629 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,990 was Chad F I think I don't want to think it was Chad F who said 630 00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:04,650 that he has ADHD and then you know, when he thought that 631 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,600 speeding up podcast actually helped his ADHD. And then when 632 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,320 he slowed it down, he's like, Oh, wow. This is actually 633 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,770 better. 634 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,530 Dave Jones: Yeah, you think it's when you when you don't like put 635 00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:23,250 gas on the fire? I think that would make you in the DSM five. 636 00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:25,140 I think you're right or GP? Yeah. 637 00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:30,030 Adam Curry: DSM five, it shouldn't be. 638 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,620 Dave Jones: I think apps should on occasion. Just rant, just 639 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:35,850 take randomly. 640 00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:40,020 Adam Curry: Maybe, maybe, Dred Scott not chata from sorry, I 641 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:43,320 knew I was I knew I was breaking some HIPAA violation there it 642 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,470 was. Dred Scott. Yeah, dribs listening. I drive. That's 643 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:49,740 right. Sorry. I didn't mean to give you a disease to someone 644 00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:50,100 else. 645 00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:55,290 Dave Jones: He the podcast app should just randomly slow it 646 00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,510 down. I basically do a lockout. 647 00:38:57,540 --> 00:39:00,780 Adam Curry: I had an urge during that meeting with pocket cash to 648 00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:02,580 say Hey, could you take off you're speeding up because 649 00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,890 you're killing people. I really I really wanted to say something 650 00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:07,920 like that. I had to bite my tongue. I had to bite my tongue. 651 00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:12,390 Dave Jones: Your response? This is an epidemic. It is it a 652 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:13,020 crisis? 653 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:16,620 Adam Curry: I think it is a crisis. And really is is not as 654 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:17,340 not healthy. 655 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:21,630 Dave Jones: I want to just while we're tangentially attached to 656 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:27,750 the V for V stats here. I want to explain quickly because I had 657 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:32,670 a couple questions about it. Explained explain how the how 658 00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:37,140 we're doing this calculation like what what the 1% stuff is 659 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:38,910 like how how can we know 660 00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,770 Adam Curry: Oh, how do we how do we how are we able to make a 661 00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,900 chart? Yeah, right. Yeah. 662 00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:50,460 Dave Jones: So what this chart is showing is our best guess as 663 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:58,470 to how many sets are being paid in, in boosts in per streaming. 664 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:06,180 Pay prints on a day each day in the way, the way that we can, 665 00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:11,310 the way that we can know that, and I say no in quotes, the way 666 00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:17,190 that we can know that is that we have the shim in place for the 667 00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:22,290 API. Because so many hosting companies do not support adding 668 00:40:22,290 --> 00:40:26,760 a value blog to your feed. So you can go either onboard 669 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,870 through founds enter contracts, or Satoshi stream, or add it 670 00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:34,530 yourself manually the podcast and wallet.com. And you can get 671 00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:41,790 your value blog into the API. So then, because that's such a 672 00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:48,090 needed thing, a lot of the apps will check the API if there's a 673 00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:52,350 value block for a feed, right? If the value blocks in the feed, 674 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:56,190 and now this is important, if the value block is in the feed, 675 00:40:56,250 --> 00:41:02,250 and the app sees it, they may not check us. So at that moment, 676 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:09,240 in a situation like that, there's no 1%. So it could be 677 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,830 that there are also before I go there, let me let me just go 678 00:41:13,830 --> 00:41:17,910 back to explaining what this is. So so take take that for what it 679 00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:24,390 is, let's let's just say that we generally have sort of a 1% view 680 00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:31,890 of most of the transactions that are going on, right? The each 681 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,830 transaction boost or streaming payment has a to V record, which 682 00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:43,290 is just which the content of this to V is a JSON blob, it has 683 00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:48,390 much properties in it. One of the properties is the original 684 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:52,950 amount, in the reason that that's there. So like if I if I 685 00:41:52,950 --> 00:42:06,720 boost 2112, to Satoshis, to pod news, then my app will also put 686 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:12,120 that number that 202,112, it'll put that number in the JSON of 687 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,970 the TLV record and property called set in SATs original 688 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,350 amount, I think is the name of the property. And so it will put 689 00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:28,380 that in there and so that once fees are taken out on the way to 690 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,870 his destination, the receiving application like contracts 691 00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:39,330 Satoshis, Dream hella pad, whatever. Saturn can know what 692 00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:42,630 the original amount was, in order to preserve numerology. 693 00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,230 Yeah, which was 694 00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:45,510 Adam Curry: really important, which is why we get the three, 695 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:50,730 three threes to 6969 to 1776, all that stuff. And that is 696 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,070 magical. But that was put in early. 697 00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:59,070 Dave Jones: So the the original amount is always listed in that 698 00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:04,590 JSON blob. So that the data is preserved. And therefore we can 699 00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,130 know, even though we're only getting 1%, which a lot of times 700 00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,730 it's not even 1%. It's just, it ends up being like one sad Yeah, 701 00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:18,420 that we that we get because calculations are hard. And so we 702 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,000 may only get one set, but we can see that what was originally 703 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,220 sent was 2112, or a million or whatever this this amount was. 704 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:31,140 So we just run out, I just have it export all the transactions 705 00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:37,710 out and add up, do a run to do a sum on all of the original 706 00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:42,300 amounts. And that will tell us out of all the transactions we 707 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:48,000 saw how what the total value of all of them put together was 708 00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:53,160 right. But that doesn't mean that we see all of it because it 709 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,850 it is it is 100% voluntary Eva for people that use the API, 710 00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:59,970 that we have no way to enforce them. We we never will and we 711 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:05,280 don't want to. But and then there's also some apps that read 712 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,570 the feed directly. And so they they're under no even sort of 713 00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:13,620 ethical obligation to do that. They're just doing it 714 00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:16,500 themselves. So there, that's what I mean, when I put in the 715 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:19,740 stats page that it could be it could be that at the end, the 716 00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:24,210 value is higher, it could be that is much higher. And because 717 00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:30,030 if there was one person using an app that tried that boosted 718 00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:32,640 somebody, and let's just say that at that moment, our split 719 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,130 failed, or let's say that their app did not send a split or 720 00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:36,900 Adam Curry: whatever. And we don't we don't we're not able to 721 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:37,500 track that. 722 00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:42,480 Dave Jones: And what if it was 5 million sets? So we don't and we 723 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,170 have gotten the 5 million set boost before from Peter Yes, we 724 00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:50,790 have. Those things do happen. So it's very possible that this 725 00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:54,960 number is is is low, it's actually very likely that is 726 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,120 low. It could be very low, but we do know that it's at least To 727 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,330 this much, that's for sure. Because we're not getting 728 00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:08,430 anytime we get a split. The devalue went, the transaction 729 00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:11,610 took place. So we know that it's at least this much anyway. And 730 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:14,340 that may be painstaking to go through. But I think it's 731 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:14,730 important for 732 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:17,460 Adam Curry: now No, no, no, no, it only it only was fun if you 733 00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:20,250 now explain how all the splits work and how you then put a 734 00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:22,950 copy, put those all together and then divide them just to go with 735 00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:24,510 let's go through that again. That was fun. 736 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,220 Dave Jones: Okay, let's talk about what fees are. 737 00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:27,750 Adam Curry: I'm just kidding. Stop. 738 00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:28,770 Dave Jones: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. 739 00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:35,130 Adam Curry: Oh, will we eventually go? Or have you been? 740 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,490 Evie, do you have any thoughts on going to a show level and 741 00:45:38,490 --> 00:45:45,030 putting out a, like a, like a Top? Top receiving shows without 742 00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:48,120 disclosing the number, I would say, but just to show what shows 743 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,090 had been boosted the most, or receiving the most payments? 744 00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:53,820 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think we can do lots of stuff. I mean, I 745 00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:58,200 think the most ince, I guess the most exciting ones, to me 746 00:45:58,230 --> 00:46:02,790 initially are just like these raw aggregates, like, how many? 747 00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:06,990 How many total sets per day? How many total transactions, SATs 748 00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:12,960 per listener, maybe SATs per show, in different tiers this? 749 00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:16,950 And then like maybe later on, we can look at the like you said, 750 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:19,470 just we got to make sure at every step that it's highly 751 00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:21,540 anonymized. Yeah. Yeah, 752 00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:24,120 Adam Curry: I like it. And I think this is very, very cool. 753 00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:25,830 I'm digging it. I'm really I'm digging it. 754 00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:30,150 Dave Jones: Yeah, Eric, I will put it I will put it open 755 00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:34,500 source. It's just super simple. I mean, really, you could right 756 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,770 click the page and view source on it. And you're just seeing it 757 00:46:37,770 --> 00:46:40,440 all. There's really nothing there. Yeah. 758 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,320 Adam Curry: So yeah. So it's an indication that's what we're 759 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,480 saying. Because we really, we really don't know what we're 760 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,060 missing. We don't know what what payments fail all kinds of 761 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,820 stuff. I mean, as always, it's it's running with scissors 762 00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:51,420 estimate. 763 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,760 Dave Jones: Nathan, Nathan gathright, we just played fee 764 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:04,470 chick and to see who would back out first. It was funny. That 765 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:07,920 was speaking to Nathan, we got unless you got some you know, 766 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,790 now go ahead. Go ahead. We need to talk about the update 767 00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:15,360 frequency. Okay, are you aware of the update frequency? 768 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:20,730 Adam Curry: I've seen the GitHub was it recommendation suggestion 769 00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:23,370 issue, whatever it is. I'd love to hear more. 770 00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:30,030 Dave Jones: So the the update frequency. I'm trying to pull 771 00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:33,840 the font is post where he links to his new tool here. Oh, there 772 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,030 it is. Okay, so it's update dash frequency. Dot versal dot app, 773 00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:44,670 which just flies off the tongue. Yeah. is updated frequently on 774 00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:44,970 dash 775 00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:47,490 Adam Curry: frequency.vs l 776 00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:49,740 Dave Jones: ve r c e l dot app? What is 777 00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:52,320 Adam Curry: this Marcel app thing? Why why are people using 778 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960 that? What does this thing do? Hmm. 779 00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:57,690 Dave Jones: I guess it's some sort of like things like, kind 780 00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:03,870 of like, what was that? Was that old thing where you get Heroku? 781 00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:04,440 I think it's like, 782 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,940 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I gotcha. 783 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,770 Dave Jones: I gotcha. Hosted node service. 784 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,490 Adam Curry: Okay, cool. Got it. Yeah. All right. So now I see. 785 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:15,930 Starting on 310 2023 repeating daily, and then what does it 786 00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:16,650 give me here? 787 00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:23,040 Dave Jones: Yeah, so this, the I'm just read from his from his 788 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,210 pull request, it says in spirit of taking platform specific 789 00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:29,100 innovations and making them accessible to the open 790 00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,340 ecosystem, horses, the intent of this proposal is to replicate 791 00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:35,730 the purpose of the update frequency field, in Apple 792 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:40,530 podcasts connect, as well as replace the iTunes complete tag 793 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:43,410 for podcasts that have no intention to release further 794 00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:45,660 episodes. So straight off straight away. I like it, 795 00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:47,970 because you're combining you taking taking the tag 796 00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:50,970 Adam Curry: tags. Right, right. Right, right. Okay. Oh, I see 797 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:54,780 what's going on here. So it basically given me the code for 798 00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:59,820 this repeat or non repeating frequency update. And then I put 799 00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:04,050 that into that tag, and then that tells apps when this 800 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:07,200 updates if it updates if it'll never update, etc. 801 00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:13,500 Dave Jones: Yep. See, says under certain conditions or naive 802 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,100 algorithms, it can be inaccurate to know to predict future 803 00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:22,500 releases. So he says, basically, there is there's a node, the pod 804 00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:28,170 the tag is podcast colon update frequency, and there is a node 805 00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:32,010 value. The note value is a freeform string, which might be 806 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:35,280 displayed alongside other information about the podcast. 807 00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:39,330 Please do not exceed 128 characters. And then your 808 00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:43,350 attributes are complete. Which is a Boolean that just says 809 00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:49,860 yesterday if true, false, yes, no. DT start the date or time 810 00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:53,550 that the recurrence rule begins. So if the row contains a value 811 00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:56,100 for count, then this attribute is required if the rule contains 812 00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:01,740 a value for until so this just basically describes your Your 813 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:08,940 release schedule. And I like it. I think it's fairly easy to 814 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:10,650 parse shouldn't be too hard. 815 00:50:11,219 --> 00:50:13,979 Adam Curry: And this is mainly for who does this benefit this 816 00:50:13,979 --> 00:50:14,429 tag? 817 00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:19,140 Dave Jones: It benefits aggregators apps. Okay. Because 818 00:50:19,170 --> 00:50:22,680 if you know, we'll have the, you know, complete is obvious. 819 00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:26,310 Because it's like, okay, well, this Yeah, never, there's never 820 00:50:26,310 --> 00:50:28,830 Adam Curry: been, I don't have to pull it out, although it 821 00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:32,010 shows kind of a crutch alongside with POD ping. 822 00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:39,000 Dave Jones: It could, it could be well, okay, so in relation to 823 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,700 pod paying an app like a tag like this, I think there's an 824 00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:50,310 implicit recognition that everybody is still going to run 825 00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:55,350 aggregators to a certain degree. And if we do we still aggregate 826 00:50:55,350 --> 00:51:02,790 Sure. So you know, we have there could be out here, there could 827 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:05,490 be downtime, there could be, you know, just all kinds of reasons, 828 00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:08,340 I think there's still going to be aggregation going on. So in 829 00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:14,520 that world, you have, you have this tag, which is a more sort 830 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,790 of a more descriptive way of doing it, then what the apple 831 00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:18,750 tag accomplishes. 832 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,210 Adam Curry: Well, it's good just to have that, because we want a 833 00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:27,750 drop in replacement for the for the Apple iTunes namespace 834 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:31,290 anyway. Correct? Right. That's been your vision. 835 00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:37,050 Dave Jones: Yeah, my vision is, we were and we're actually 836 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,430 pretty well on our way to replicating it. When I look at 837 00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:47,340 at iTunes tags. If you look in the podcast namespace, there's 838 00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:52,680 some tags in there, like episode and season, that are also iTunes 839 00:51:52,680 --> 00:52:01,200 tags. And my thinking from day one has been, we should we 840 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,170 should replace or replicate the iTunes tags. So that eventually, 841 00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:14,850 we can sort of do a direct drop in replacement of the podcast 842 00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:20,250 namespace on top of iTunes. And then we have and then, and then 843 00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:24,810 from the feed publisher standpoint, you don't lose 844 00:52:24,810 --> 00:52:30,420 anything. You don't lose any functionality. You it's just 845 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:34,920 basically you just swap. It's like It's like Harrison Ford. 846 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,380 It's like Indiana Jones, you just want you know, you take the 847 00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:40,980 you take the the treasure off and you put sandbag on, and 848 00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:50,580 you're good. So then, if we drop that in, for going down the list 849 00:52:50,580 --> 00:52:54,900 and saying for each tag, rather than just replicate what's 850 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:59,160 already there, it sure would be nice. And I think it shouldn't 851 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,890 be sort of required. Did in each instance, we only replace that 852 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:09,690 tag, again, playing the long game here. We only replace that 853 00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:13,230 tag, if we can come up with an idea that enhances it to some 854 00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:19,230 degree. It's about season we replaced season. But we also 855 00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,720 added the ability to have a named season so we added an 856 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,370 attribute to it. Right. Okay. Right. 857 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,610 Adam Curry: Which we basically did by request for NPR and they 858 00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:31,110 never picked it up. Yes. And now and now and now they're 859 00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:32,460 bankrupt. Okay. All right. 860 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:44,190 Dave Jones: Great. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Well, Captivate just blew 861 00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:46,890 it wide open with all these timing, they just released the 862 00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:47,370 flood. 863 00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:50,910 Adam Curry: And I love their whole explanation of like, hey, 864 00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:54,480 you know, this thing is ready to go. We're doing it. We're just 865 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,420 casting everything aside, screw it. And I think, you know, 866 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,350 probably blueberry has something to do with that. You know, you 867 00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:04,200 know what I'm really loving? Because I do I try to do the 868 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,650 triage for podcasts index support, which has increased 869 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,310 significantly, but he but I smile every single time I get I 870 00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:19,020 get something like this. Could you please remove my show? From 871 00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:24,090 all platforms? Yeah, that's great. But no, it makes me it 872 00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:27,300 makes me happy because that means that we have brand 873 00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,000 awareness. People have Oh, podcasts index, that's where all 874 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,240 the stuff goes. That's where everyone gets it from podcasts 875 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,720 index. They control all that, which we don't, but I like that 876 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:42,060 people think we do. Because it's important. And one day we will 877 00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:45,690 of course, obviously everyone will be pulling off either the 878 00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:50,430 index or off a copy of the index. Because no one has the 879 00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:53,670 inputs that we have, which of course is you know, everything 880 00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:57,060 from this from the Swedish trickler to you know, just 881 00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:59,730 anyone showing up with something. We've got so many 882 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,250 some many really cool input. Benjamin Bellamy has also been 883 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,950 put a lot of the French stuff that's getting in there. So no 884 00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:10,860 one has that. Especially the French they don't they don't 885 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:14,370 even want to be on on Apple for some reason. They just like that 886 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,950 niche is Mac that I not do it in bigger Bay, Apple bombs. 887 00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:22,410 Dave Jones: See this happens in tech support with Help Desk 888 00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:26,730 stuff to people will come down, like users will come down to the 889 00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:31,020 help desk and say, hey, they're looking, they're sort of like 890 00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:32,700 looking around looking over their shoulder and they say, 891 00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,600 Hey, I just want John to know that. That website I just went 892 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,950 to that was a total accident. Yeah, I didn't know what was 893 00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:44,670 going to be that. And there's this implicit assumption that 894 00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:47,700 you're watching everything that they do, and that like it, but 895 00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:49,860 you're, of course you're not. I mean, there's like, you can't 896 00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:52,650 see much volume. You can see all this stuff, of course, but you 897 00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:56,010 never tell them that, though, that the proper answer to that 898 00:55:56,010 --> 00:55:58,650 is, it's okay, this time, just don't let it happen again. 899 00:55:59,549 --> 00:56:03,569 Adam Curry: I was, I was amazed by I think you might have sent 900 00:56:03,569 --> 00:56:07,229 me this. Or maybe I saw it. Marco posted the general 901 00:56:07,229 --> 00:56:09,989 guidelines for Apple apps and content. 902 00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:15,180 Dave Jones: And one of those style guide or what yeah, 903 00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:17,850 Adam Curry: what did they call it here? Think inclusively 904 00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:21,480 research words. So that this is which is fine. By the way, I'm 905 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,270 okay with you know, whatever. I don't know if this is the 906 00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:27,480 guidelines means you have to do it, or this is just what they 907 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:33,180 recommend. But there's a lot of things. Like, don't describe 908 00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:36,450 technology using terms that are inherently inherently violent, 909 00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:41,430 like, kill or hang. It's like kill off a process, I got a 910 00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:44,850 process it's hanging, don't use terms like master and slave. 911 00:56:44,850 --> 00:56:47,340 Well, that's been around for a long time was describing 912 00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:51,900 oppressive human relationship. But then like avoid idioms and 913 00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,750 colloquial expressions, common sayings, like fall through the 914 00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:59,370 cracks on the same page backseat driver can add flavor to writing 915 00:56:59,370 --> 00:57:01,650 but can also be difficult to understand for people who are 916 00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:05,100 learning the language if your content is localized. So I see 917 00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,250 all these things are very, very concerned about everyone's 918 00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:12,570 feelings about everyone's abilities. And to me, I just 919 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,710 look read this thing we're like, how can you not be displaying 920 00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:23,550 transcripts? If this is your inclusive guideline? Where are 921 00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:26,490 you and I'm not talking about people who have disabilities, of 922 00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:29,940 course, they're their top of the list and I am is someone who 923 00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:33,480 actually had a hearing disability, it's improved by you 924 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,620 know, my, my my dental procedure. So I got but I lived 925 00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:41,670 for five years with hearing aids. But that that is not the 926 00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:46,710 main thing that I get the most common from people who are not 927 00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:50,100 English native English speakers who say I really enjoy having 928 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,430 the transcript running alongside you know, if I don't catch 929 00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:58,140 something I can I can see it, I can kind of decipher the word or 930 00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:02,100 I know how to spell the word that this is exactly what should 931 00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:05,370 be in this general guideline yet. I don't see any transcripts 932 00:58:05,370 --> 00:58:06,630 in Apple's App. 933 00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:10,530 Dave Jones: I don't understand why you would not why you would 934 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:15,030 encourage people not to use colloquialisms because like when 935 00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:17,730 you're learning a second language, the thing that you 936 00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:20,790 want to know the most is the is the colloquialisms in the other 937 00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:23,670 language you want because that helps you sound native. 938 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:26,910 Adam Curry: Well, transcripts can do just that. Even if the 939 00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:31,170 app itself won't chromed I'm just shaming people here. 940 00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:33,240 Dave Jones: Okay, and I'm I'm on 941 00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:35,640 Adam Curry: Apple on front apple on front. 942 00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:40,170 Dave Jones: I behind this move, and now 943 00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:42,660 Adam Curry: that we know that Pocket Cast is going to do it 944 00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:44,910 who's going to want to be left behind now? Hmm. 945 00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:50,640 Dave Jones: Well, just don't say grandfathered in. Allowed. 946 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480 Adam Curry: Did I read that Spotify? I haven't. I'm sure I 947 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:05,610 read this. The Spotify was now supporting chapters but not the 948 00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:09,270 not the podcast namespace but where it originally came from? 949 00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:13,440 Because it was from a different namespace if I recall. 950 00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:17,250 Dave Jones: I don't know what I didn't see that. What do 951 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,560 Adam Curry: you remember when we first saw chapters? That's why 952 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,850 we incorporated it from the original namespace was a small 953 00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:26,160 namespace and don't you remember? 954 00:59:26,610 --> 00:59:28,260 Dave Jones: Oh, no, I know what you're talking about. You're 955 00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:29,880 talking about pod love the YES, 956 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,070 Adam Curry: YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. That's 957 00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:35,130 Dave Jones: it for that. I think so. Yeah. No, yeah. 958 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,980 Adam Curry: I saw I saw a report about it today. Let me see if I 959 00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:46,740 can find it. Because I'm so sure that I saw an article cross my 960 00:59:46,770 --> 00:59:49,440 my desk today about that. Maybe just 961 00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:53,790 Dave Jones: very few. There's very few feeds that even have 962 00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:54,300 that. 963 00:59:56,610 --> 00:59:59,310 Adam Curry: Probably why Spotify supports it. What can we do with 964 00:59:59,310 --> 01:00:01,920 it? Oh, that'll work. For nobody oh let's use this 965 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,550 Dave Jones: yeah well Nathan just linked over to by the way 966 01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:08,760 Nathan I just merged your pull request. Oh, 967 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,880 Adam Curry: I told you I knew I'd read this somewhere Swiss 968 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,210 doc social Okay, what do we have here? Even though there there 969 01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:17,340 Dave Jones: are some of these issues Spotify have finally 970 01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:19,770 implemented pod lifts and book chapters after having them in 971 01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:23,070 their spec for years huh weird 972 01:00:23,310 --> 01:00:24,600 Adam Curry: Okay interesting 973 01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:30,090 Dave Jones: all right this this the chapter wars chapter wars 974 01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:35,370 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, Spotify in general I think doing a Hail 975 01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:41,280 Mary but Spotify for podcasters they did not they they finally 976 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,980 incorporated the albatross known as anchor into into their 977 01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:49,620 system. So we'll see if they what they start to do with that. 978 01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,470 People seem excited that people who write blogs seem excited 979 01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:55,980 about it. 980 01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,750 Dave Jones: That's an odd move. The why they haven't they Well, 981 01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:04,260 they support they support timestamp chapters. In the show 982 01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:11,070 notes. They support pod love chapters in the feed. Do Do they 983 01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:16,500 support any chapters that are actually de support mp3 984 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:17,190 chapters? 985 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:20,190 Adam Curry: I don't think so. I have no idea. No, I Yeah. 986 01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:22,290 Dave Jones: They seem to be going about this in a very 987 01:01:22,290 --> 01:01:23,490 roundabout way. Yeah. 988 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,220 Adam Curry: Well as I thought you meant that weird move was 989 01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:32,160 the was doing the Spotify for podcasters. I think that that is 990 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,440 the only move they had left. Yeah, and I wonder man, I wonder 991 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,220 if if, if there's going to be renewal of Rogan. I really 992 01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:45,450 wonder? Not from his side. I think he's enjoying it. 993 01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:48,630 Dave Jones: But if there's gonna just can't afford him. 994 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,220 Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, will he? Man he, I gotta tell you, 995 01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:56,670 Tina and I went to the opening of his his comedy club in 996 01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:59,700 Austin. I didn't know he is open at a comedy club. Yeah, it's 997 01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:04,380 called comedy mothership. It's the old Ritz theatre. We and 998 01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:09,630 it's beautiful. I mean, he's got 250 seats in the main room. And 999 01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:12,960 he's got, you know, like a green room and a private bar, and then 1000 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,980 a little small room. And, and of course, you know, he knows how 1001 01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:21,480 to how to do VIP stuff. So we got total total blow job all the 1002 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,860 way through is great. But what I saw was, and he's been 1003 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:29,460 performing every night, I saw a guy who was really enjoying 1004 01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:33,120 himself. And I just wonder if you're, if you're on stage, and 1005 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,250 you're, you know, you're not going to be home until midnight 1006 01:02:35,250 --> 01:02:39,180 or one every night. And then the next day, you're doing one or 1007 01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:42,630 two, three hour interviews. I mean, at what point do you have 1008 01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:44,040 to give one or the other up? 1009 01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:47,940 Dave Jones: It's true, you know, so it's just bootstrapping this 1010 01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:50,160 thing with himself and he's gonna get bigger artists and and 1011 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,270 back off. Oh, no, 1012 01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:53,730 Adam Curry: no, no, no, this is not a bootstrap. This was a 1013 01:02:53,730 --> 01:02:56,760 success out of the gate. He's got show sold out for months, 1014 01:02:56,790 --> 01:03:00,330 not not even his own. Yeah, he had Roseanne Barr do a set he 1015 01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:04,890 had. Tim Dylan, of course, is local boy. But he's got all 1016 01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:07,080 kinds of now. He's, he's bringing he's bringing the 1017 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,370 comedians in, is that you know, a lot of the people who work 1018 01:03:11,370 --> 01:03:15,120 there come from the, you know, from the Comedy Store kind of 1019 01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,020 community, which closed in Los Angeles, which was Mitzi shore, 1020 01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:22,470 Pauly shores, mom, she ran that. And so he even hired a lot of 1021 01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:24,090 the staff that run that place. 1022 01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:26,520 Dave Jones: So they just forklift it to that ILA and 1023 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:27,390 dropped it in Austin 1024 01:03:27,450 --> 01:03:30,240 Adam Curry: the staff but not I mean, it's a comedy club is a 1025 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,640 comedy club, but this is you know, it's new. It's beautiful. 1026 01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:38,160 And, and from what I can tell, it's just slamming Nice. So this 1027 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,640 is no Bootstrap. This is out of the gates success. It's pretty 1028 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:41,970 amazing. Well, 1029 01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:46,290 Dave Jones: that may I guess, I guess the he'll back off at some 1030 01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:49,350 point and be doing there. Yeah, 1031 01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:51,300 Adam Curry: gotta back off of something. I just think you 1032 01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:57,690 know, it's like hey, I'm 58 I'm tired. Imagine this Joe 5455 1033 01:03:58,410 --> 01:04:00,750 It's only a few years behind only a few years behind. 1034 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,980 Dave Jones: Yeah, I was thinking I had written down you know 1035 01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:07,140 about anchor i don't know i don't know what you know, of 1036 01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:10,230 course we we knew they would kill the brand because the brand 1037 01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:12,330 was Yeah, terrible but 1038 01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:16,200 Adam Curry: but all the deals you know, they're kind of 1039 01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:18,720 slowing that down if not shutting it down. It certainly 1040 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,060 wasn't successful the way you know they don't have the numbers 1041 01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:24,660 to show for it. So maybe they're finally going to go for the 1042 01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:28,680 recommended strategy is let everybody in you know caught him 1043 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,680 in on some ad money if you can if you can sell it which I don't 1044 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,190 think my experience is doesn't work because advertisers just 1045 01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:40,320 don't want to advertise on on podcast that could not be brand 1046 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,950 safe. It's a very hard sell. I've been there done that 1047 01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:51,090 Dave Jones: well, I'm the the see what I had something else 1048 01:04:51,090 --> 01:04:56,520 we're angry grim mushy here. Oh, yeah, channels. We're gonna talk 1049 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:57,240 about channels versus 1050 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,390 Adam Curry: making sure this is this is one that I I'm not so 1051 01:05:00,390 --> 01:05:04,440 sure. I agree with the channels. And this is another namespace 1052 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,550 tag. 1053 01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:10,140 Dave Jones: I would like to hear your, your idea of what you 1054 01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:11,850 think channels is and right now? 1055 01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:15,300 Adam Curry: Ah, that's a good? That's a good question. I think 1056 01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:20,370 channels are a way to put a collection of podcasts for 1057 01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:25,080 whatever reason into a single entity or at least to be able to 1058 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,550 recognize that these podcasts belong to this channel. So that 1059 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:35,760 could be possibly like a network, like, okay, these are 1060 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,320 all the all the cool podcasts that are in my network, and 1061 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,470 maybe they would also put this channel into their feed. So you 1062 01:05:43,470 --> 01:05:48,480 can have this kind of cross reference. Is I'm anywhere near 1063 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,050 the mark? 1064 01:05:49,590 --> 01:05:53,130 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, you're close. Yeah, that's pretty much 1065 01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:58,320 what the intent is to say, have some facility to say these. 1066 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:04,500 Let's just say five feeds actually all belong to the same 1067 01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:06,210 in entity. 1068 01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:09,330 Adam Curry: Person whenever we've kind of slipped into 1069 01:06:09,330 --> 01:06:13,800 something without officially playing. And now it's time for 1070 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,760 some hot namespace or make sure everyone knows why they're all 1071 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,750 turned on right now. 1072 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,830 Dave Jones: We just went right through the beat door, I know. 1073 01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:31,200 With a left handed cigarette, and then he was stuck. So that's 1074 01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:35,040 yeah, that's the idea is that you would say, okay, these feeds 1075 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:42,390 all belong to either a person or a publisher, whatever. And 1076 01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:47,790 there's you, you can, I think you could probably imagine 1077 01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:50,910 various ways to do it. Now, you, you said you have a problem with 1078 01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:53,370 it, do you have a problem with the technical implementation or 1079 01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:55,110 just the whole idea in general, and just the 1080 01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:57,060 Adam Curry: whole idea in general, I mean, I'm not quite 1081 01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:01,110 sure how it differs from like a record to me, it would be more 1082 01:07:01,110 --> 01:07:05,400 like a recommendation than a channel a channel just reminds 1083 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,580 me of a YouTube channel, so I'm just just irks me no matter 1084 01:07:08,580 --> 01:07:17,220 what. You know, so do I do I put a channel? So these are all my 1085 01:07:17,220 --> 01:07:20,610 podcasts now, there'll be wildly different. The only thing is I 1086 01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:23,550 produce them all. So there's may for podcasts? Is that Is that 1087 01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:30,090 what a channel? Is? It? Can I as a can I create a new feed, and 1088 01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,760 just put a bunch of channels in there of people I just like that 1089 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,620 don't even agree to be in my channel. 1090 01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:41,880 Dave Jones: You can that's, that would be more of a playlist, 1091 01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:48,450 where you are choosing a bunch of, of different content to put 1092 01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:51,810 to group together, sort of that's like a play, that would 1093 01:07:51,810 --> 01:07:57,180 be the playlist. The channel is more of this is all coming from 1094 01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:59,070 the same producing entity. 1095 01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:01,200 Adam Curry: And How's it different from the author tag? 1096 01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:09,030 Dave Jones: Well, the author tag is not always accurate. It's 1097 01:08:09,030 --> 01:08:14,940 limited. So for instance, it doesn't give an it doesn't give 1098 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:21,030 enough granularity. So for instance, in this case, I think 1099 01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:25,620 the author tag for no agenda says, Adam Korean Jhansi Dvorak, 1100 01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:28,980 yeah, author tag for this show would say something different. 1101 01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:31,590 So you really can't associate the two says podcast 1102 01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:34,320 Adam Curry: index, LLC, I think thank you. 1103 01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:38,220 Dave Jones: So you, there's really nothing in the in the 1104 01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:42,570 feed that assists in this happen. I mean, this, this 1105 01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:48,900 definitely happens. So you have somebody who's like, I just want 1106 01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,980 to I'm gonna listen, I want to listen to all of the shows by 1107 01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:57,270 this group. Even though all the shows in that group may have 1108 01:08:57,270 --> 01:09:00,960 different authors different, like, like, I want us, you have 1109 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,020 these things that happen with this, this sort of 1110 01:09:05,730 --> 01:09:09,810 bastardization of the channel concept that has grown up over 1111 01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:15,930 the years, where you have a monolithic feed, the all shows 1112 01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:19,500 the Do you know this where it's like? So Jupiter broadcasting 1113 01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:19,980 will have 1114 01:09:20,009 --> 01:09:22,469 Adam Curry: Sure, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking 1115 01:09:22,469 --> 01:09:24,539 Okay. In that case, yeah. All right. All right. 1116 01:09:25,290 --> 01:09:28,980 Dave Jones: This, this would replace that. But you're trying 1117 01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:34,290 to avoid those kinds of sort of synthetic feeds that aren't 1118 01:09:34,290 --> 01:09:40,590 real. And there's a few ways that we discussed doing it. You 1119 01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:46,440 can have you could have it be an external, something external 1120 01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:52,290 like a JSON file, where this JSON file is referenced by each 1121 01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:59,220 of the feeds that are that are in the channel. And then if you 1122 01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:04,260 follow or the the reference to the JSON and go get that JSON, 1123 01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:10,650 you can then see a list of all the debt that JSON basically is 1124 01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:14,250 the channel and it says, okay, these five 610 20 files, 1125 01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:17,400 different feed URLs, these are all these are all our chat. This 1126 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,150 is our channel 1127 01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:19,500 Adam Curry: who created this proposal? 1128 01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:25,410 Dave Jones: Kevin from this route, originally, he came up 1129 01:10:25,410 --> 01:10:28,050 with the idea and then we, we hashed out a few different ways 1130 01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:28,620 to go on it. 1131 01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:30,930 Adam Curry: What I would like is I'd like people to implement 1132 01:10:30,930 --> 01:10:34,620 cross app comments, and then I'll be happy with everything 1133 01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:37,560 else we want to do. I'm worried that we're getting a little, we 1134 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,200 get ahead and in the weeds, and everyone's excited about 1135 01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:44,400 creating new tags, but the implementation is so far behind. 1136 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:49,290 Dave Jones: Well, the cross comments is, it's, it's got a 1137 01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:50,940 life of its own, it's progressing 1138 01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:55,230 Adam Curry: it very happy to see it on, on the website, but I'd 1139 01:10:55,230 --> 01:11:00,990 love to be able to just respond in pod verse or anything, and 1140 01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:05,760 is, am I right? And seeing that fountain doesn't show 1141 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,550 transcripts? Am I'm just missing where it is. 1142 01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:13,530 Dave Jones: I don't know if they do or not. I don't let as a 1143 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,000 question, I do not know the answer to 1144 01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:21,390 Adam Curry: Okay. So I know it. It. I love all these tags. But 1145 01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:24,990 I'm also very close to the implementation. Like, okay, when 1146 01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:26,700 are we going to do certain things? 1147 01:11:27,540 --> 01:11:32,520 Dave Jones: I guess you and me, we just got to do I mean, like, 1148 01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:37,860 we just have to wait for this. This is the delay between the 1149 01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:43,890 content gets made. And then we have to wait for the apps to 1150 01:11:43,890 --> 01:11:44,460 catch up. 1151 01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:47,250 Adam Curry: But I totally, totally agree. I'm just worried 1152 01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:50,430 that when we talk about the stuff, this kind of stuff on on, 1153 01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:53,130 on the in the board meeting, we're all kind of focused in 1154 01:11:53,130 --> 01:11:55,620 future, which is good, because we want to always be innovating 1155 01:11:55,620 --> 01:12:00,120 and driving forward. So it was interesting. That's why I was 1156 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,700 interested in where'd this request come from? So does 1157 01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:05,010 Buzzsprout have people requesting this? Do they have 1158 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,400 they have podcasters requesting this feature? And what can I 1159 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,890 compare it to? And then, you know, that's just for 1160 01:12:10,890 --> 01:12:13,620 prioritization of where people want to implement stuff. And 1161 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:16,860 sometimes, I think that shifts and, you know, cross app 1162 01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:19,440 comments we've been talking about since the inception of the 1163 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:23,340 project almost. And we're so close. 1164 01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:29,910 Dave Jones: It happens gradually than suddenly. I think, because 1165 01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:35,820 once and I'm glad, I'm glad it's going slow. Because we get to 1166 01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:40,170 learn and see what's wrong as we go. We've got the spec, see 1167 01:12:40,170 --> 01:12:42,810 that, across comments is really naughty. It's not about the 1168 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:48,960 spec. The spec is, is dead, it's dead simple. It's just a URL. 1169 01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:56,280 The spec is not the problem. The spec was so easy. And all of the 1170 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,520 problems come from implementation. Brian Right. 1171 01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:59,730 That's 1172 01:12:59,730 --> 01:13:01,710 Adam Curry: why That's why I want to keep keep the focus 1173 01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,560 coming back to it whenever I can, because the implementation 1174 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,740 seems to be stalled, although not true in the past week or so 1175 01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:13,320 with Nathan doing. Doing the stuff on on podcast index.org To 1176 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,080 show the comments, but you still can't comment from there either. 1177 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,050 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, that's, that's coming though, because 1178 01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:22,680 that's, that's they're working on that as well as get Geremy 1179 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,600 and Nathan, and, and some other guys that are where they're 1180 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,240 hashing out what the yuan is supposed to localize et Cie, I 1181 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:37,140 think that once if if we can get that working on. And I shouldn't 1182 01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:43,380 say we because then if they get it working, and I've pushed to 1183 01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:46,950 production, the latest changes yesterday, I think so it's it's 1184 01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:51,900 up to date with what they've given me to put. If we can get 1185 01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:54,750 that working, I think that can become a reference a reference 1186 01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:55,650 implementation 1187 01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:59,610 Adam Curry: on the website on our website. Yeah. And when 1188 01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:01,620 Dave Jones: you want to say hey, go go support cross app 1189 01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:05,430 comments. Go to our website, look at the way it's 1190 01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:09,960 implemented. And even though you know, the UI you are part is 1191 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,370 not, it's up to you, but here's how we expect this thing to 1192 01:14:14,370 --> 01:14:19,170 function. Got it. Got it. And that just this just takes time 1193 01:14:19,170 --> 01:14:22,230 to develop, you know, I mean, they they have to work out those 1194 01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:24,330 books because they're right now they're they're going back and 1195 01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:27,840 forth about different things about like, Where does should 1196 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,900 this pop out? Should it be in page like a lot of a lot of 1197 01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:34,440 implementation details which you just have to kind of play with 1198 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,410 and throw things at the wall and see what sticks. Okay, fair, 1199 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,730 fair. Yeah, it's moving though. The chair the reason I brought 1200 01:14:41,730 --> 01:14:43,800 up the channels things because it's been out there for a long 1201 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,540 time. Is probably this proposal is probably six months old. And 1202 01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:51,090 if not, maybe a little bit older. It was originally 1203 01:14:51,090 --> 01:14:55,590 originally came out when? When Apple because Apple brought out 1204 01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:57,900 this feature called channels, but it only works through 1205 01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:03,300 podcasts, Apple podcasts connect So you can define a channel. And 1206 01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:06,000 you can say, okay, these five shows are part of my channel. 1207 01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:11,910 Right? And Kevin, Kevin's initial proposal was, hey, this 1208 01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:15,600 seems like we can do this in an open source way. That's not 1209 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,260 proprietary to Apple or Spotify, right? So if we can replicate 1210 01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:24,750 this open source, then we would all have this ability to do we 1211 01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:26,610 don't have the ability to do this, and we can, but it 1212 01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:27,510 wouldn't be locked in. 1213 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:29,640 Adam Curry: No, no, of course, we always want to do that. I'm 1214 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,390 just trying to figure out who, who needs this. I have never 1215 01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:37,680 thought about doing a channel. Even apples. I mean, I gave up 1216 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,170 on Apple A long time ago. I don't know if I can get this 1217 01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:42,900 into podcast connect anymore. I don't know if I have an account. 1218 01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:46,170 Dave Jones: Last time you logged into PUC Apple podcasts in the 1219 01:15:46,170 --> 01:15:46,890 years ago, 1220 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,990 Adam Curry: years, maybe five years ago. I don't know if I can 1221 01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:54,990 still get in at all. I mean, it's just there. And when I gave 1222 01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:57,900 up my Mac, you know, it was when when Mac started to screw up the 1223 01:15:57,930 --> 01:16:01,710 the hardware was broken, basically USB hardware. And I 1224 01:16:01,710 --> 01:16:06,450 gave it up I went to Windows. That's funny, a lot, a lot of 1225 01:16:07,170 --> 01:16:14,970 DJs. Like, you know, like the, you know, DJs who do you know, 1226 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,900 records, mixes, beats, etc. They all they all went to Windows 1227 01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:21,510 because the Mac just was really, really sucking 1228 01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:27,090 Dave Jones: the say you said? Yeah, no, go ahead. Yeah, you 1229 01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:31,800 said DJ DJs. And that that reminded me. So that was another 1230 01:16:32,190 --> 01:16:37,440 use case. That's another use case for this for the channels 1231 01:16:37,710 --> 01:16:41,790 is in order to have a so here's an let me find it. 1232 01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:45,660 Adam Curry: There's a DJ music near me. Yeah, like 1233 01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:49,830 Dave Jones: there's a DJ, that's buddies with Alex. And he popped 1234 01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:51,900 into Wave Lake and he's been publishing his. 1235 01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,120 Adam Curry: Yeah, I saw that saw that. 1236 01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,930 Dave Jones: And the way he's doing it, here it is James 1237 01:16:57,930 --> 01:17:03,120 Dietrich's. And so the way his wavelength feeds are detox 1238 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,640 music, D ETS. Oh, 0x. And the way he's doing is he's doing 1239 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,200 like a release a song. He's doing a release every, every 1240 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:18,960 week on Sundays. And each release is a new feed. That has 1241 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:19,950 one track in it. 1242 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,670 Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. So okay, so that would be now hit 1243 01:17:23,670 --> 01:17:28,560 now we get into that would be appropriate for channel. But, 1244 01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:32,130 man, what a shitty name. When you when it comes to music? 1245 01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:38,340 Dave Jones: And music channel? Yeah. Yeah. But that's the F. Le 1246 01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:40,200 I guess, I guess radios or stations. Right. 1247 01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,620 Adam Curry: And yeah, I mean, that's always the problem. And 1248 01:17:43,650 --> 01:17:45,720 nomenclature is always going to be an issue. 1249 01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:49,290 Dave Jones: Just you know, because well, you name something 1250 01:17:49,290 --> 01:17:51,390 is super important. That's the most important thing. 1251 01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:53,730 Adam Curry: Yeah, as you know, and you should never ever make 1252 01:17:53,730 --> 01:17:56,880 it a 2.0. And at any point, unless it's RSS, and you could 1253 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:57,300 do that. 1254 01:17:57,719 --> 01:18:01,349 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the only time it's allowable. RSS 1255 01:18:01,349 --> 01:18:04,169 2.0. Everything else is bombastic. H detox 1256 01:18:04,170 --> 01:18:07,800 Adam Curry: with a with a with a with a line through the O. So if 1257 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,840 you search for detox, you don't get it. 1258 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,930 Dave Jones: Oh, that's not a zero. I thought it was a zero. 1259 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,170 Was that a zero? Let me try zero. Maybe that's a Unicode 1260 01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:16,590 character 1261 01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:19,680 Adam Curry: it is and so when I search for detox with that, zero 1262 01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,290 that line through it, which I don't have on my keyboard, I 1263 01:18:22,290 --> 01:18:23,580 don't get any results. 1264 01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:27,210 Dave Jones: Oh, James, you're blowing up my search. Yeah. 1265 01:18:28,139 --> 01:18:31,949 Adam Curry: How do I how do I get that? That that funky. Oh, 1266 01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:32,939 do we do the 1267 01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:36,840 Dave Jones: copy and paste? Oh, yeah. Now let's see it. Yep. Oh, 1268 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,750 he's got some pretty album art. Gracious. So let's talk 1269 01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:42,540 Adam Curry: about music for a second. Okay, which we also 1270 01:18:42,540 --> 01:18:48,870 pitch to Pocket Casts? That was really good. You did that. I 1271 01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:50,250 think I saw Matt go. 1272 01:18:52,170 --> 01:18:53,310 Dave Jones: Everybody loves music. 1273 01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:58,080 Adam Curry: Yeah. And so where are we at with with dystopia and 1274 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,130 wave like are they now actually? are they submitting or are 1275 01:19:02,130 --> 01:19:04,770 people just submitting individually still, 1276 01:19:05,549 --> 01:19:12,599 Dave Jones: dystopia is wave Lake is not. And so we've got 1277 01:19:12,599 --> 01:19:16,319 the WaveLight guys coming on at for for a another attempt at 1278 01:19:16,319 --> 01:19:17,189 being on the show. 1279 01:19:19,050 --> 01:19:20,520 Adam Curry: No one blames you for this Dave. 1280 01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:25,230 Dave Jones: Thank goodness. Okay. So in three weeks, they 1281 01:19:25,230 --> 01:19:29,760 will be back on the show. And we've got lots of music stuff to 1282 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:35,670 discuss with them and what their date. I'll let them speak for 1283 01:19:35,670 --> 01:19:40,290 themselves but I think thumbnail sketch is that they really want 1284 01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:47,760 the apps to be ready to have a good music experience. Before 1285 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,680 they start feeding everything into it before everything is an 1286 01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,740 RSS feed already but before they start really going public and 1287 01:19:55,740 --> 01:20:00,420 trying to push it because in I so from our from our part I went 1288 01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:06,390 and downloaded a couple of albums into my podcast into cast 1289 01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:11,550 Matic. And out of the box, it's terrible. It's a terrible 1290 01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:12,060 experience. 1291 01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:15,570 Adam Curry: Of course. Yeah. Makes 1292 01:20:15,570 --> 01:20:17,460 Dave Jones: Yeah. Because they, yeah, because the podcast app 1293 01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:19,800 thinks these are episodes and you listen to the track 1294 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,610 disappears. It was 1295 01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:26,010 Adam Curry: also someone who asked me came into the to the 1296 01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:29,820 inferred podcast index.org. About how we ordered them that 1297 01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:33,780 there's a way to order the episodes in a certain way that 1298 01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:37,410 comes through from Buzzsprout. But somehow, it wasn't showing 1299 01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:40,140 up correctly on podcast index, you know, I'm talking about. 1300 01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:42,420 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the serial versus episode. 1301 01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:44,970 Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that a tag? Is that a is that a switch? What 1302 01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:46,230 is that? How does that work? 1303 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,230 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's an iTunes tag that till this says, 1304 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,730 I says, Is this a? Is this just a show that lasts forever? And 1305 01:20:53,730 --> 01:20:57,480 produces a producer as an episode on a schedule I? Or is 1306 01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:02,370 this just or is this meant to be like, different like, like a 1307 01:21:02,370 --> 01:21:06,030 single run thing where you're where you really need to listen 1308 01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:06,810 to it in order 1309 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,390 Adam Curry: 12345? Right, which would also be the way you'd want 1310 01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:14,070 an album done. Yeah, yep. Yep, yep. Okay. Wow, there's so much 1311 01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:17,400 to do. I don't even know how we get people to focus on adding 1312 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,540 music to their apps. 1313 01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:22,350 Dave Jones: Well, I contacted Franco on podcast index dot 1314 01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:26,820 social, and just, it just gave him like a, like a hit list. I 1315 01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:31,890 was like, hey, you know, if you had a music mode, where, because 1316 01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:37,320 he parses the feed in app, it since he parses the RSS 1317 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,500 directly, he'll be able to see that the music medium tag is 1318 01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:44,040 there. And if he sees that, to me, it makes sense to go ahead 1319 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:49,620 and prep. Set a bunch of settings. By default. Make it 1320 01:21:49,620 --> 01:21:53,100 set it where there's, it's forced to one point x speed. 1321 01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:58,230 Adam Curry: In fact, to speed up from the speed up, no. Oh, man, 1322 01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:03,120 I've so many ideas now. Go at four times speed and say do you 1323 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,420 like this? Do you like this? Podcast? Do you like this is 1324 01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:08,430 what you really want you crazy nut job? 1325 01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:12,390 Dave Jones: It's like it's, it's beating you. You want some more 1326 01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:12,930 of this? Yeah. 1327 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,360 Adam Curry: Would you like a podcast? How about this music? 1328 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:23,670 Was it was it podcast addict that released for x? Yeah, 1329 01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:26,940 pocket podcasts guru podcast guru. That's crazy. And who 1330 01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:29,220 requested that I need to know. I need to know. 1331 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,830 Dave Jones: It came through on my test flight. And I posted it 1332 01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:35,970 to Jason and he never responded. So I'm not sure. But didn't hurt 1333 01:22:35,970 --> 01:22:42,330 his feelings. I was just playing around. Yeah, no. But that's. So 1334 01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:46,200 if you had that, where the app says, Oh, here's a music 1335 01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:51,570 podcast, I'm going to I'm going to reshuffle myself and be here, 1336 01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:54,780 I'm going to play tracks in order. It's only it's only going 1337 01:22:54,780 --> 01:22:59,520 to be normal speed, I'm going to take off, like audio record 1338 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,280 audio enhancements like voice boost and all this jazz. And 1339 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,970 then it goes back to sort of like this default Music Mode. To 1340 01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:09,960 me, that would get us half halfway there were no more 1341 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,590 transcript 1342 01:23:10,590 --> 01:23:14,250 Adam Curry: becomes lyrics, all kinds of all kinds of beautiful 1343 01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:16,920 stuff. We can all be done. The thing is the content is now 1344 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,930 there, it's coming in. So all and all you have to do is if 1345 01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,840 you're if you're developing look for the medium tag. Now we don't 1346 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,320 we have didn't you work on an endpoint for that for the medium 1347 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,620 tag? Or is that just the medium tag? Where there was a search? I 1348 01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:32,130 think 1349 01:23:32,730 --> 01:23:36,900 Dave Jones: it's, I think what I what I landed on was creating 1350 01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:41,160 different sub group different groupings within the endpoint. 1351 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:46,530 So now, now you have standard what you know API, see an API 1352 01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:51,810 you have like slash search slash by term. And now there's a new 1353 01:23:51,810 --> 01:23:57,030 one that's slash music slash search slash butter. So cool, 1354 01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:59,730 right, gonna be subgroups for each medium type. 1355 01:23:59,879 --> 01:24:02,339 Adam Curry: And here's what I'd say to you app developers. Why 1356 01:24:02,369 --> 01:24:07,529 why I think that there's a good reason for you to consider. 1357 01:24:08,069 --> 01:24:12,179 Consider putting a music version, you know, putting some 1358 01:24:12,179 --> 01:24:17,759 music UX into your app. If you think podcasters were waiting 1359 01:24:17,999 --> 01:24:21,779 for something, you have no idea the amount of people who make 1360 01:24:21,779 --> 01:24:28,409 music, who already know are halfway there with with. Some of 1361 01:24:28,409 --> 01:24:32,699 them even have RSS feeds or doing encloses already. There's 1362 01:24:32,729 --> 01:24:37,139 no to hosting companies that add the medium tag that we're aware 1363 01:24:37,139 --> 01:24:41,669 of. Go look at the unhappiness of people who are on Spotify. Go 1364 01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:47,189 look at the comparisons are all over the place. This is a huge, 1365 01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:51,269 huge international group of content producers who will flock 1366 01:24:51,269 --> 01:24:57,209 to you. Yeah, they will. They will swarm you. I can guarantee 1367 01:24:57,209 --> 01:25:01,169 it but we just need some good examples. I know music side 1368 01:25:01,169 --> 01:25:05,939 project is a great start. But I think that's really the only 1369 01:25:05,939 --> 01:25:06,329 one. 1370 01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:11,400 Dave Jones: That is the only one. There's I would say that 1371 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:19,500 the music, the potential market for music, podcasting is huge, 1372 01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:24,360 because there's so many excellent music artists, that 1373 01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:30,120 will they just cannot rise to the level to have a living wage 1374 01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,860 on a traditional plus streaming platform. It'll never, it'll 1375 01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:37,260 never happen. They know. And they know it's not going to 1376 01:25:37,260 --> 01:25:43,590 happen. Yeah. But just like a just like a midsize podcaster if 1377 01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:48,600 they could produce their content, and make a few $100 a 1378 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:54,270 month off of it. They would be so happy, of course. And that'd 1379 01:25:54,270 --> 01:25:55,740 be more possible. Yeah. 1380 01:25:56,940 --> 01:25:59,160 Adam Curry: Beats for saps Yeah, tone record. Thank you. 1381 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:07,050 Dave Jones: Yeah, I've got an idea. In my head for a cool feel 1382 01:26:07,050 --> 01:26:13,140 cool. Music podcast app. Okay, experience. And I don't want to 1383 01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:15,750 actually write it because we've, you know, we've already 1384 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:19,890 Adam Curry: No, no one wants you doing anything else. Well, we 1385 01:26:19,890 --> 01:26:23,190 can we can't stretch you any thinner. No, no, no, make more 1386 01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:24,930 charts. Don't do an app. 1387 01:26:25,559 --> 01:26:29,129 Dave Jones: Charts. They? It's because you know, we've we've 1388 01:26:29,129 --> 01:26:31,319 always promised we were not going to compete in those areas 1389 01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:36,329 with people. But if nobody else does it. Don't make me do it. 1390 01:26:36,329 --> 01:26:36,779 People. 1391 01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:39,300 Adam Curry: You want to talk about your idea. You just we 1392 01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,180 just want to know. Oh, well, how well 1393 01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:44,160 Dave Jones: no, no, I do have enough. Okay, I'll talk about 1394 01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:50,520 the idea is this is just kind of stupid. Simple. It's GPG music. 1395 01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:57,060 It is not music. It's even stupider than that. Okay. The 1396 01:26:57,060 --> 01:27:00,450 idea is that you go to let's just let's what are we going to 1397 01:27:00,450 --> 01:27:02,160 call this theoretical app? 1398 01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:11,430 Adam Curry: noster I'm sorry. mostre. Moscow taken 1399 01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:11,820 Dave Jones: to 1400 01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:13,650 Adam Curry: really, man. Okay. 1401 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:20,190 Dave Jones: music music. Pod music. No, this is Oh, 1402 01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:23,670 Adam Curry: wow, that was no name his name ever? No, no, I've 1403 01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:24,120 got a good 1404 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,580 Dave Jones: one. I've got I've got a good ear shot or shot dot 1405 01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:28,140 F. Oh, 1406 01:27:28,170 --> 01:27:30,810 Adam Curry: I like that. Okay, did you register that already? 1407 01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:33,660 Dave Jones: I did not. It's still available, but it's too 1408 01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:40,140 expensive. It's like 80 bucks. So you go to earshot.fm. And 1409 01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:46,380 you're just presented with, with just sort of a swirling, look at 1410 01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:48,630 like, you're in a like you're gonna like you're in a storm or 1411 01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:52,290 a fog. Just nothing there. All there is is a prompt, just a 1412 01:27:52,290 --> 01:27:57,720 blinking carrot prompt for you to type something like that. And 1413 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:05,550 you type you type in if you type in, let's just say country, or 1414 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,600 dance or something like that. And music just begins to play. 1415 01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:13,980 And they're all it's all it just does a quick query into the 1416 01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:16,980 music search endpoint in podcast index. And just start playing 1417 01:28:16,980 --> 01:28:22,650 music. There's there's no fancy stuff. It's just a stupid dumb 1418 01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:31,800 but it's but it's an example of, of podcast music. Delivery. Hmm 1419 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,260 Adam Curry: sounds a bit like Pandora. In a way. 1420 01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:38,880 Dave Jones: Perhaps, 1421 01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:42,600 Adam Curry: man earshot.fm was 100 bucks a year now that guy's 1422 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,470 making out 1423 01:28:45,150 --> 01:28:45,990 Dave Jones: the FM guy 1424 01:28:46,019 --> 01:28:49,049 Adam Curry: yeah the.fm I think he's one of the biggest sponsors 1425 01:28:49,049 --> 01:28:54,269 of the conference in Vegas. No wonder cheap No wonder $100 1426 01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,180 Dave Jones: Oh, does the FM GOD DOES HE IS HE part of pockets 1427 01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:57,570 move? Yeah, 1428 01:28:57,570 --> 01:29:02,610 Adam Curry: I saw um, I saw sponsoring.fm everybody.fm Get 1429 01:29:02,610 --> 01:29:04,470 your get dot.fm here 1430 01:29:06,270 --> 01:29:09,900 Dave Jones: that's that's a lot FM is like the cheapest one have 1431 01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:11,100 ever seen is like 80 bucks. 1432 01:29:11,130 --> 01:29:14,430 Adam Curry: Yeah, I just checked his $100 for earshot I love you 1433 01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:15,630 man. But I'm not buying that. 1434 01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,420 Dave Jones: No, I'm not either. I don't I don't even love me 1435 01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:26,340 that I like that. Yeah, I think I think there's there's a this 1436 01:29:26,370 --> 01:29:30,390 this is a huge, huge fun music discovery. 1437 01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:32,130 Adam Curry: And then of course you can save them and have a 1438 01:29:32,130 --> 01:29:34,500 library and all that groovy stuff. Yeah, it makes nothing 1439 01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:38,370 but sense makes nothing but sense. I totally agree. And it 1440 01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:41,670 probably a whole new separate app. But we'll we'll consider 1441 01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:44,970 we'll treat it just like one of our own. No matter who comes up 1442 01:29:44,970 --> 01:29:47,880 with anything any any any music app, any other app that you 1443 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,360 consider movie app, whatever. We'll consider it one of our 1444 01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,520 own. We will adopt it right away. 1445 01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,980 Dave Jones: You know, don't I guess one of the what I say is 1446 01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:04,110 don't make Steven B He do all the work. Exactly. And then he's 1447 01:30:04,110 --> 01:30:04,680 got a job 1448 01:30:04,710 --> 01:30:07,950 Adam Curry: Steven B is an amazing guy. He just so much 1449 01:30:08,130 --> 01:30:11,400 thank a few people people have been boosting us during the 1450 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,360 show. Let's see I'll use comments or Blogger as the 1451 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,800 delimiter 1000 stops from Bill pragae says you want to use 1452 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,950 music in your podcast just add splits to music posted to the 1453 01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:31,770 music tag yeah well I thought we talked about the remote item 1454 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,560 being the way to do that. Was it remote item 1455 01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:36,540 Dave Jones: maybe I don't understand what he's saying and 1456 01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,070 Adam Curry: I don't think I understand it either. 1457 01:30:38,190 --> 01:30:40,200 Dave Jones: Just add sounds like he's just saying put the music 1458 01:30:40,230 --> 01:30:40,950 in music medium 1459 01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:45,090 Adam Curry: No, no, no no I said just add splits to music posted 1460 01:30:45,090 --> 01:30:48,600 to the music. He's asking you a question I'm not sure send us 1461 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,030 10,000 sites with a better phrase or better 1462 01:30:53,460 --> 01:30:55,350 Dave Jones: we quite we didn't quite undescribed 1463 01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:57,420 Adam Curry: understand I think it's more SATs it'll we'll 1464 01:30:57,420 --> 01:31:00,570 understand it better. That's coming into curio caster of 1465 01:31:00,570 --> 01:31:04,410 course curio caster great for the lit shows 4321 from tone 1466 01:31:04,410 --> 01:31:08,220 wrecker. Previous pod speeding penance, I slowed it back to one 1467 01:31:08,220 --> 01:31:15,060 time speed All right. Another life saved or created. Bill 1468 01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,290 Prague again. 5000 SATs kind regards to zap nostril mask 1469 01:31:19,290 --> 01:31:25,050 maxis. Okay. Because I don't know. But I oh yeah, 1470 01:31:25,139 --> 01:31:26,279 Dave Jones: I don't know. Bills drunk. 1471 01:31:28,620 --> 01:31:31,710 Adam Curry: But he's not he's not drunk boosting properly it 1472 01:31:31,710 --> 01:31:37,680 should be more. Let's see. We have Hey, citizens. 6969 Brian 1473 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,890 of London. He says renegotiate the car podcast listening rules. 1474 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,260 I don't know what people are talking about today. 1475 01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,740 Dave Jones: I don't know what any of this mean. I don't need 1476 01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:50,820 Adam Curry: a chat F 33,333. Adam, can we get the origin 1477 01:31:50,820 --> 01:31:54,390 story of big baller people see it in Fountain, but don't know 1478 01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:57,930 where it came from? Oh, I know. Of course. This came from mo 1479 01:31:57,930 --> 01:32:05,550 fax. Mo fax and Mo gave it to me. It started off by whenever 1480 01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:08,310 we got a big donation value for value. Oh 1481 01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:12,300 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula 1482 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,190 Adam Curry: and then I asked him if we could use it on 1483 01:32:14,370 --> 01:32:17,070 podcasting. 2.0. And of course, he said yeah. And then other 1484 01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:20,340 people took it and said, Hey, man, I told him I said it's gone 1485 01:32:20,340 --> 01:32:23,490 yet. It has a life of its own. He's just happy. He's happy with 1486 01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:29,250 that. So that's the origin of it. Bouverie 17,776 Please allow 1487 01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:31,890 on the next series of tags for streamable payments of Dr. 1488 01:32:31,890 --> 01:32:37,710 Pepper. Um, there baby. Thank you. Okay. Here's Brian. Oh, 1489 01:32:37,710 --> 01:32:41,220 here's Oh, I see it was a follow up. We had not we need a way to 1490 01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:46,110 connect the booster gram to boost the gram. What Bill pragae 1491 01:32:46,110 --> 01:32:51,540 was saying was a bill. No tone record was no who was it? Hey, 1492 01:32:51,540 --> 01:32:54,210 citizen. Hey, citizen renegotiate that. Okay, here we 1493 01:32:54,210 --> 01:32:58,620 go. This is the original from Brian of London with 51,948 1494 01:32:58,620 --> 01:33:02,460 SATs. Thank you very much for us or Brian. My wife will only let 1495 01:33:02,460 --> 01:33:05,820 me listen to the show in the car when Adam is spinning 80s tracks 1496 01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:06,870 and nostalgia. 1497 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:09,360 Dave Jones: Nice. Well. 1498 01:33:10,620 --> 01:33:12,330 Adam Curry: That's just not going to happen. Because that's 1499 01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:15,870 a huge violation of rights. And I didn't like that myself. But 1500 01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:19,200 once in a while you just got to break the law, you know, sorry, 1501 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,050 pirate radio or just replace your wife. How about that was 1502 01:33:22,050 --> 01:33:26,070 maybe a better idea. Easier. much easier, much easier to get 1503 01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:29,880 me to do that again. Hey, citizen again. 69. Six times I 1504 01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,460 think Satoshi value for value payment crypto transaction 1505 01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:39,120 color, whatever you like. Yes, we will. Fletcher 88,888. Oh, 1506 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,290 the lucky eight Satoshi slam. He says what does he have here? He 1507 01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,650 has a URL with this. Let's see what Satoshi slam is good 1508 01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:47,640 Unknown: to see. 1509 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:49,680 Adam Curry: Nice. 1510 01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:50,550 Dave Jones: Nice. 1511 01:33:50,610 --> 01:33:53,190 Adam Curry: I'll take that one. Let me say that one right away. 1512 01:33:53,250 --> 01:33:59,640 So as that's the number for Satoshi slam is 88,888 1513 01:34:00,510 --> 01:34:03,090 Dave Jones: Oh, I love that. Yeah. Okay. 1514 01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:05,640 Adam Curry: Let's hear Nice. Let me see. I just want to save this 1515 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:10,650 one. So we have that for prosperity. That is cool. Hinata 1516 01:34:10,650 --> 01:34:18,780 yen so to see slash Nice. That's good. That's really love it. 1517 01:34:18,780 --> 01:34:22,590 Love it. Love it. Love it. 33,333 from Dred Scott formerly 1518 01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:26,640 with ADHD no longer thanks to his auntie pod move. He says 1519 01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,090 he's here. He says DJ Adam can please play me some more Stevie 1520 01:34:30,090 --> 01:34:38,190 No, no, we can't do that. Eric p p 33,333. Just says boost boost. 1521 01:34:38,670 --> 01:34:44,370 Then we have Macintosh 2100 SATs. Sorry, Dave. I looked at 1522 01:34:44,370 --> 01:34:47,430 the front end code for new podcast apps.com And I just 1523 01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:51,750 can't update it. I don't know, react from whatever other front 1524 01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:54,600 end frameworks are out there. My front end work ended with 1525 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:59,880 blinking gifs in HTML and 2001 Dude, remember red ball dot GIF 1526 01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:03,690 I had that one. I thought it was something I could help you out 1527 01:35:03,690 --> 01:35:06,750 with. So all your React front end people get on it and make a 1528 01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:07,950 pull request. 1529 01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:13,200 Dave Jones: No problem. I don't know react either. So silly. Not 1530 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:13,740 a Number 1531 01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:16,590 Adam Curry: I at one point I even wanted to change something. 1532 01:35:16,590 --> 01:35:19,350 I can't remember what it was I wanted to, to add a link and I 1533 01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:22,650 went into the GitHub. I'm like, I don't understand this is this 1534 01:35:22,650 --> 01:35:27,390 is not Drupal. Drupal. 1535 01:35:28,290 --> 01:35:30,240 Dave Jones: When you look at React for the first time, it's 1536 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,750 complete insanity. It's some bastardized version of 1537 01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:40,350 JavaScript. That's with HTML inline embedded with it. It's 1538 01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:41,760 your head spins. 1539 01:35:41,790 --> 01:35:43,950 Adam Curry: Yes, because I want I know, I wanted to put a link 1540 01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:46,650 to value for value dot info, like that might be helpful. 1541 01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:49,140 That's all I wanted to do. I want to add a link. I'm sure I 1542 01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:51,750 can jack that in somewhere if at least I can see code that looks 1543 01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:55,710 like a page. But no, yeah, good luck. Yeah, no idea. Martin 1544 01:35:55,710 --> 01:35:58,110 Linda's Koch Adam and Dave, thanks for podcasting. 2.0 1545 01:35:58,110 --> 01:36:02,250 certified t shirt. Liberty boost. Oh, six. Satoshis all the 1546 01:36:02,250 --> 01:36:11,100 best. Hey, did we neglect Chad's t shirt? I think do we? Oh, Chad 1547 01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:12,060 f a t shirt. 1548 01:36:12,930 --> 01:36:14,490 Dave Jones: I think I said Oh, you did? 1549 01:36:15,630 --> 01:36:18,720 Adam Curry: Because I had a note here. I don't just a note. A 1550 01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,700 note a note. Sure this. Todd Cochrane chapter checking in 1551 01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:27,510 from Podcast Movement evolutions. 25,000 SATs lots of 1552 01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:30,780 great podcasting 2.0 conversations here at pm 1553 01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:35,640 evolutions go podcast a podcast. Yeah, man. I'd love that Todd's 1554 01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,880 there. We know for sure 1555 01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:43,890 Dave Jones: on February 28 So Excellent. Well hello. 1556 01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:48,300 Adam Curry: Bring it on to the show Burb boo boo berry of 1557 01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,180 behind the schemes and Sir Spencer of bowl after bowl the 1558 01:36:51,180 --> 01:36:54,570 gutter punk innovators of 2.0 worth chatting with him in the 1559 01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:59,160 in the boardroom says lavish with a 100,000 sat boost 1560 01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:04,050 Unknown: Sakala 20 in his blades on the Impala 1561 01:37:05,130 --> 01:37:06,990 Dave Jones: it would be they want to see the chart go up 1562 01:37:06,990 --> 01:37:09,840 tomorrow as was happening. This is all about oh this 1563 01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,990 Adam Curry: chart is going to be great. But But of course if you 1564 01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:15,690 don't change it then it'll be down again tomorrow. It's so 1565 01:37:15,690 --> 01:37:19,440 it's such you know what it is? You know if you want walk past a 1566 01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:24,240 watch store. And maybe maybe this isn't that way. I think the 1567 01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:29,820 wait typically is all the watches are set to 1010 10 1568 01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:32,880 minutes after 10 Because that looks like a happy face. 1569 01:37:34,770 --> 01:37:37,110 Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Okay, 1570 01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:40,020 Adam Curry: so this this chart the minute you go to, like all 1571 01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,130 these guys are in trouble. 1572 01:37:42,090 --> 01:37:45,390 Dave Jones: This is like this. It's like silk is like svbc 1573 01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:45,960 stock. 1574 01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:49,050 Adam Curry: Yes, it does. It doesn't look like this is bad or 1575 01:37:49,050 --> 01:37:51,510 this is not going well. I don't want to promote it until that 1576 01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:53,100 until we have a happy uptick. 1577 01:37:53,550 --> 01:37:55,530 Dave Jones: So they were doing great until their Lena brothers 1578 01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:56,220 moment right there. 1579 01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:00,990 Adam Curry: We definitely need to have some, you know, I'm not 1580 01:38:00,990 --> 01:38:05,730 a big fan of multiple people in the boardroom. Just because it's 1581 01:38:05,730 --> 01:38:12,360 just tough. But I'd love to have one or someone on to discuss the 1582 01:38:12,900 --> 01:38:17,040 the gutter punk innovators of what's happening with the IRC 1583 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,740 bots. I mean, there's some really interesting stuff in 1584 01:38:19,740 --> 01:38:22,770 there. We should just do now let's do it. Let's do that. 1585 01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:28,500 Okay. And then I hit the delimiter so you want to thank 1586 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,490 our Fiat Meanwhile, I'll go take a look and make sure we haven't 1587 01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:36,540 make sure we haven't missed any tally coin that no one ever the 1588 01:38:36,540 --> 01:38:40,050 only person who ever does tally coin is dread. Dread but we love 1589 01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:42,810 it. We love it for sure. 1590 01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:44,730 Dave Jones: He just does it as an old check to make sure the 1591 01:38:44,730 --> 01:38:51,000 cars running all right yeah 30 cc chat F 3333 through pod verse 1592 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,100 he says I think the best part of the dance party board meeting 1593 01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:57,780 yesterday was half people compete complete each other song 1594 01:38:57,780 --> 01:39:00,180 request donation amounts something about that just felt 1595 01:39:00,180 --> 01:39:00,660 magical. 1596 01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,920 Adam Curry: It was and it showed me that there's so much we can 1597 01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,280 do with with lit which is another thing that we know needs 1598 01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,230 more promotion the What a fantastic format what a great 1599 01:39:13,230 --> 01:39:17,910 way as a podcaster to up your game to involve your community 1600 01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:22,680 right right live in real time and and to make money I mean it 1601 01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,530 really showed that the community rallies around you and they come 1602 01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:28,530 up with their own games I love that was great. Thank you. 1603 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,230 Dave Jones: Let me ask you is is Opie three measuring the live 1604 01:39:34,230 --> 01:39:40,350 stream also? Do you have the pre op three prefix in front of the 1605 01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:43,170 live stream URL? Oh, that's a good question when I take a look 1606 01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:48,480 because I would love to know which apps are using it the most 1607 01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:52,110 I do actually. Okay, so we should be able to look and see 1608 01:39:52,110 --> 01:39:56,460 if pod verse, podcast addict curio caster. I'd love to see a 1609 01:39:56,460 --> 01:39:59,790 breakdown of that and and also to monitor if any new apps come 1610 01:39:59,790 --> 01:40:01,950 on line because I know there's one that's supposed to be coming 1611 01:40:01,950 --> 01:40:02,700 on good 1612 01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,100 Adam Curry: good good good yeah oh p three dot Dev and I've 1613 01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:08,970 listened that no agenda stream.com/no agenda. So that's 1614 01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:12,240 just point to the stream. But John Spurlock is a is in he's in 1615 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,490 Vegas getting drunk with everybody so it'll he's not 1616 01:40:14,490 --> 01:40:17,040 listening it'll take a while. That's true. 1617 01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:23,130 Dave Jones: See, we need you back in Dallas John. Let's see 1618 01:40:23,130 --> 01:40:26,280 I'm 2112 through fountain he says this is a replay of 1619 01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,010 yesterday's Liberty boost regarding the song 55 million 1620 01:40:29,010 --> 01:40:33,390 Frenchmen 27 and Benjamin Bella's Bill Bellamy's post 1621 01:40:33,570 --> 01:40:38,100 music tip at the music radio.com Radio dismuke Vintage popular 1622 01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:42,750 music and jazz from 1925 to 35 rows 2112 album boost Martin 1623 01:40:42,750 --> 01:40:43,440 lindskog. 1624 01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,390 Adam Curry: Thank you nice nice nice 1625 01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:49,590 Dave Jones: Piette Pauling a satchel of Richards through 1626 01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:54,630 poverties is pre show boost. What word Walter Wriston 1627 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,200 Adam Curry: filters and very good that means good night's 1628 01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:58,710 sleep tight. 1629 01:40:59,490 --> 01:41:02,730 Dave Jones: Those velcro loose Deville turista? Yes. Anti 1630 01:41:02,730 --> 01:41:07,440 German that way. dribs got 55 555 through pod verse he says 1631 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:15,180 pre boosting. Wow. See, these? These are so since last week's 1632 01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:18,030 show was a little messy. Some of these are coming in, you know 1633 01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:21,090 like these are like, pre boosts from from the show before 1634 01:41:21,090 --> 01:41:22,020 because it was 1635 01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:26,730 Adam Curry: doing the pre boosts or the Prusa. Africa's I don't 1636 01:41:26,730 --> 01:41:29,460 know I don't Yeah, they're just probably doubling some of them. 1637 01:41:29,460 --> 01:41:32,130 There was no wait a minute because we did a show after 1638 01:41:32,130 --> 01:41:36,960 that. I don't know. Just make everybody doesn't matter. Thank 1639 01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:37,560 everybody. 1640 01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:40,800 Dave Jones: Chad F 3333 says Can someone unlock the door to the 1641 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,360 boardroom? I can't get into the chat room. 1642 01:41:44,670 --> 01:41:46,830 Adam Curry: Sorry, you know, it's locked now. 1643 01:41:47,250 --> 01:41:50,610 Dave Jones: dribs got 5555 boosting days poll work. 1644 01:41:53,070 --> 01:41:55,380 Adam Curry: I do good poll work. You're great on the poll. 1645 01:41:56,250 --> 01:42:00,450 Dave Jones: A Chris You know 9109013 through pod vs. As you 1646 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:03,810 can't just go out there and do poll work whenever you want. You 1647 01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:09,990 first have to call up and put in a poll request a poll. I love 1648 01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:15,750 it. Chad F 3333 Again, and another Chad F and he says, Hey, 1649 01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:17,760 I only requested Ride the Lightning after someone 1650 01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:25,050 requested milkshake. Yes, dri milkshake. Not a great not a 1651 01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:25,380 great 1652 01:42:25,740 --> 01:42:29,040 Adam Curry: yeah, it got it got a little weird. I told you it's 1653 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,890 like when you when you take requests, then the flow kind of 1654 01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:33,630 gets broken somewhere along the line. 1655 01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,110 Dave Jones: drips got 5585 says Adam was really having fun 1656 01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:40,740 yesterday. It was great to witness. Yeah, this is what it 1657 01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:45,390 was because we didn't read the boosts on Saturday show. So that 1658 01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:49,800 we could do in order from this like the post show boost. Yeah, 1659 01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:55,170 right. Right. Right. Yeah. Eric PPS and it's 33 333 with no note 1660 01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:57,510 through the boost CLI. Thank you, Eric. Thank 1661 01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:58,230 Adam Curry: you very much. 1662 01:42:58,470 --> 01:43:04,260 Dave Jones: No note on that. Phone boy 6969 Never thought I'd 1663 01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,290 be the lead into the pod father on a Saturday. Lots of love for 1664 01:43:07,290 --> 01:43:10,290 Phoenix and I at the Lotus effect for everything y'all are 1665 01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:11,490 doing to advance podcasting. 1666 01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:14,310 Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. So we broke into their into their 1667 01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:18,240 feed because we typically use no agenda stream on Fridays and so 1668 01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,550 they were kind enough to give it up for us on Saturday which we 1669 01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:21,150 appreciate 1670 01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,080 Dave Jones: it and again another Phoenix 6969 Thank you for the 1671 01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,600 part father for all y'all are doing lady Phoenix and Lord 1672 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,180 phone boy the Lotus effect come for the shenanigans stay for the 1673 01:43:30,180 --> 01:43:36,720 party. Nice. See? I think we'll see did we 1674 01:43:38,670 --> 01:43:41,040 Adam Curry: did we read we read those two? I remember those two? 1675 01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:41,580 We did. 1676 01:43:41,610 --> 01:43:42,330 Dave Jones: Okay. So maybe 1677 01:43:43,470 --> 01:43:46,800 Adam Curry: while you're checking that Dred Scott came in 1678 01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:54,840 with a 121212121212 Whoa, that's 121,212 sorry, forgot to test 1679 01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,750 the tally coin. Really job. We're just kidding. Out of 1680 01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:58,650 curiosity. 1681 01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,080 Unknown: 20 is bleh Oh, man, I 1682 01:44:04,590 --> 01:44:07,230 Adam Curry: just have this fear that Dred Scott is spending all 1683 01:44:07,230 --> 01:44:10,110 of his inheritance or you know, it's like and he's gonna be out 1684 01:44:10,110 --> 01:44:12,810 on the street you know, with no money or with a cup 1685 01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,950 Dave Jones: is what's going to come in one day. So what is 1686 01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:17,340 this? 1687 01:44:17,370 --> 01:44:20,250 Adam Curry: I want to make sure man that did I love you drive 1688 01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:23,490 man, but you're you are you're supporting a lot of a lot of 1689 01:44:23,490 --> 01:44:27,960 podcasts with a lot of dough. So just to make sure okay. Anyway, 1690 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,900 he says out of curiosity, what kind of licensing and cost will 1691 01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:34,590 be involved with doing a music so like you did Friday, which to 1692 01:44:34,590 --> 01:44:38,970 me is dribs saying hey, I'll pay for that? No, just so you know, 1693 01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:44,550 that is actually not possible. You cannot do that unless the 1694 01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:47,760 only way you can get around it is if you have an existing radio 1695 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,480 station with an actual radio signal. There are rules where 1696 01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:56,700 you can duplicate that signal. But just as a stream, you cannot 1697 01:44:56,700 --> 01:45:00,180 do a DJ show like I did on a stream. Certainly not On a 1698 01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:04,320 downloadable podcast, the music industry are such greedy fox, 1699 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,160 they don't make that available to us. Otherwise, believe me, I 1700 01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,140 would be doing it five days a week. 1701 01:45:11,219 --> 01:45:14,129 Dave Jones: That's, you've explained that to me before and 1702 01:45:14,309 --> 01:45:18,119 basically there is no they will not give you a license to do you 1703 01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:20,700 Adam Curry: know, right now. I mean, you see what Spotify has 1704 01:45:20,700 --> 01:45:23,970 to go through. You can add music to your show, but don't you dare 1705 01:45:23,970 --> 01:45:28,230 talk over it? No, no, no, you have to stop and then they start 1706 01:45:28,230 --> 01:45:31,230 the music and yeah, that's the play and fade out all the way. 1707 01:45:31,230 --> 01:45:36,510 It's horrible. Bill Praxis fu I'm in Serbia. 10k SATs just 1708 01:45:36,510 --> 01:45:39,900 like three beers over here. Gives us a fast I got your 1709 01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:40,590 brother I got 1710 01:45:42,210 --> 01:45:44,310 Dave Jones: Yeah, he's like I'm not gonna spend three beers to 1711 01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:45,120 explain myself and 1712 01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:49,740 Adam Curry: Brian of London 1948 is rarely freedom boosts next up 1713 01:45:49,740 --> 01:45:53,550 breaking the law but Judas Priest home brother. I just 1714 01:45:53,550 --> 01:45:57,510 can't get away from Nathan gathright. 2000 SATs got 1715 01:45:57,510 --> 01:46:01,890 elicited oh point five times for a while to bring my average back 1716 01:46:01,890 --> 01:46:06,180 down. Okay, just wants you to be healthy brother just want you to 1717 01:46:06,180 --> 01:46:08,460 be healthy. All right. That's That's what just came in in the 1718 01:46:08,460 --> 01:46:09,840 past pass from Naples 1719 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,120 Dave Jones: and fast thinker. I can imagine that that would be 1720 01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,420 varied. Because you can tell by the way he talks that he's his 1721 01:46:15,420 --> 01:46:20,340 mind goes fast. Yeah, but I bet you he has to. He has to resist 1722 01:46:20,340 --> 01:46:21,660 the urge to pod speed. 1723 01:46:21,929 --> 01:46:25,889 Adam Curry: Yeah, but you want you but he normal people around 1724 01:46:25,889 --> 01:46:28,529 him. Don't speed 1725 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,530 Dave Jones: he goes to Starbucks like even that coffee. Yeah, 1726 01:46:34,530 --> 01:46:39,000 exactly. See Brooklyn 112. Central Richards No, zaps. No 1727 01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,620 tips. Only boosts. No. 1728 01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:43,410 Adam Curry: It's okay. We're not We're not anti zap at all. 1729 01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:45,630 Unknown: No, I love it. It's 1730 01:46:45,630 --> 01:46:47,130 Adam Curry: training people for booster grams. 1731 01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:52,290 Dave Jones: After after Dave whiners hate it was spewed on. 1732 01:46:52,620 --> 01:46:53,040 Who was 1733 01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:55,140 Adam Curry: was posting this? 1734 01:46:55,890 --> 01:47:00,300 Dave Jones: No, no, he posted he had a big long anti 2.0 post. 1735 01:47:00,330 --> 01:47:03,300 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, I did see that. Yes. What about 1736 01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:03,450 it? 1737 01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:07,620 Dave Jones: All of all of which was so one. So ill informed as 1738 01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:13,710 to be hilarious. But this had an effect on me. I thought to 1739 01:47:13,710 --> 01:47:22,260 myself self that self. You need to be more more open about these 1740 01:47:22,260 --> 01:47:26,970 other technologies? Don't Don't be so negative all the time. Oh, 1741 01:47:26,970 --> 01:47:27,540 absolutely. I 1742 01:47:27,540 --> 01:47:29,250 Adam Curry: totally agree. And I'm glad because I was the one 1743 01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:31,980 that told you, man, you should try noster she what's going on 1744 01:47:31,980 --> 01:47:32,280 there? 1745 01:47:33,089 --> 01:47:34,949 Dave Jones: Am I going to go out and build something on noster? 1746 01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:42,929 No. But I'm going to limit my mockery of noster. Well, 1747 01:47:43,019 --> 01:47:44,969 Adam Curry: I think this is a there's something very different 1748 01:47:44,969 --> 01:47:48,029 went on there. And I'll just say it sounds because he was very 1749 01:47:48,029 --> 01:47:56,189 inflammatory when he posted podcast wars like wow. Like, 1750 01:47:56,189 --> 01:48:00,569 what is he talking about? And I really didn't understand at all. 1751 01:48:01,139 --> 01:48:04,139 What is like there's two groups that will soon be in a tech 1752 01:48:04,139 --> 01:48:08,189 tabloid coming to you soon, like what is going on with this? 1753 01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:12,210 Dave Jones: I read it and had no clue what he was talking about. 1754 01:48:12,210 --> 01:48:14,670 He sounded deranged. Now, and 1755 01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,110 Adam Curry: I think I think I know what happened. I'm just 1756 01:48:19,110 --> 01:48:23,400 taking a stab here. I could be wrong. I have a feeling that 1757 01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:27,810 someone approached him about the podcast Standards Project, which 1758 01:48:27,810 --> 01:48:32,940 was going to be different from podcasting. 2.0 which is not in 1759 01:48:32,940 --> 01:48:36,120 his basically taking tags that we develop and use it and 1760 01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,780 somehow keep and of course, oh, Courage involved with one of 1761 01:48:39,780 --> 01:48:42,900 those two, which one is it? That's the shitty one. Because, 1762 01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:46,050 because that's what most people do. It's like, oh, it's Korean. 1763 01:48:46,050 --> 01:48:49,470 But that's gotta be shit. Can't be that. He's probably trying to 1764 01:48:49,470 --> 01:48:54,660 steal podcast and he wants to be a billionaire. Ah. So but I 1765 01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:58,440 think James explained it very well to him. And then I saw Dave 1766 01:48:58,440 --> 01:49:01,290 saying, Oh, okay. Well, I don't see I don't see a corrective 1767 01:49:01,290 --> 01:49:06,660 post, saying sorry, but okay, whatever. So I think that's what 1768 01:49:06,660 --> 01:49:10,110 happened and that. And it's unfortunate, because these 1769 01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:13,620 things always happen around podcasting is always all kinds 1770 01:49:13,620 --> 01:49:16,680 of intrigue and crap going on. And I thought we've kind of 1771 01:49:16,710 --> 01:49:17,970 gotten beyond that. 1772 01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:21,930 Dave Jones: Will they always happen around podcasting, but 1773 01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:24,360 they also always happen around Dave Warner. So this 1774 01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:27,930 Adam Curry: is that? Yeah, there's that anyway. 1775 01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:32,490 Dave Jones: So let's see Karen from the new modal podcast. 2222 1776 01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:35,400 through fountain he says, as you were playing the demo, I was 1777 01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,920 waiting for it to switch from the robo lady to get to the real 1778 01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:43,740 ai dj but about halfway through I realized she was it Eesh Yeah, 1779 01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:46,620 he got he's, he's been paused. Speeding. Yeah. And his his 1780 01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,200 brain is unable to tell the difference between reality and 1781 01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:49,560 fiction. 1782 01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:51,090 Adam Curry: This is exactly what happens. 1783 01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,350 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm sorry. I feel sorry for you, Karen. I 1784 01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:58,650 loved you when you were when you were with us still. Now your 1785 01:49:58,650 --> 01:50:04,470 brain is gone. Nicklaus be 58 2100 SATs he says the 1786 01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:07,410 fountain he says I'm testing. Well Nicholas your test was 1787 01:50:07,410 --> 01:50:12,450 success successful. Well done. Carl 6007 gave us 2222 SATs 1788 01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:17,670 through fountain no note. Clarkin, my buddy gave us 25,001 1789 01:50:17,670 --> 01:50:20,880 SATs says weekly boost can't make a long note because 1790 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,930 fountain keeps crashing every two minutes. Hopefully it'll be 1791 01:50:24,930 --> 01:50:31,320 fixed by next week. Gene bean 1337 says duck asthmatics is pot 1792 01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,140 search.fm is available and would be fitting for the transcript 1793 01:50:34,140 --> 01:50:38,790 search tool. That's true awesome buddy. Grab it pod search.fm is 1794 01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:41,850 pretty good name is probably cost $3,000 But you need to get 1795 01:50:42,690 --> 01:50:47,790 Nick dose 369 SAS boosters versus zappers fight. No no, no, 1796 01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:51,030 no, we're not going to fight those guys. We have too much 1797 01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:55,710 firepower, they wouldn't stand a chance. Jean been the grow of 1798 01:50:55,710 --> 01:50:58,590 ducks 22 to 22 through cast medics has just wanted to give 1799 01:50:58,620 --> 01:51:01,650 Oscar and the folks at Felton a shout out for their podcast 1800 01:51:01,650 --> 01:51:04,680 promotion system. It was super easy to promote volunteer 1801 01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,980 technologist and provided nice metrics about what I was getting 1802 01:51:07,980 --> 01:51:10,710 for my money. It's also been fascinating to look at the 1803 01:51:10,710 --> 01:51:13,410 statistics in Buzzsprout and op three related to where people 1804 01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:16,650 are because the non US audience is much larger percentage than I 1805 01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:17,340 had anticipated. 1806 01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:18,180 Adam Curry: Oh interesting. 1807 01:51:18,809 --> 01:51:22,469 Dave Jones: And is interesting. Oh, Bill Prague. He of the 1808 01:51:22,499 --> 01:51:27,749 expensive beers says gets in as 9712 He says boost for being 1809 01:51:27,749 --> 01:51:30,179 human and not an AI podcast. There you go. 1810 01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,970 Adam Curry: Yes. We're not weird. We're not GPT that's a 1811 01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:33,600 low bar. 1812 01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:36,810 Dave Jones: And you just encountered Maxis within maxis. 1813 01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:39,420 That is how we normal people feel every time we say bitcoin 1814 01:51:39,420 --> 01:51:44,490 is not best for everything. Okay, Bill Prague again. 10,000 1815 01:51:44,490 --> 01:51:47,910 SATs to convert some more hive into SAS to boost again, Maxis 1816 01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:49,680 encountered deserves it. Okay. 1817 01:51:49,710 --> 01:51:51,150 Adam Curry: Wow. Okay. 1818 01:51:51,630 --> 01:51:52,740 Dave Jones: I don't know what we said. 1819 01:51:52,980 --> 01:51:55,620 Adam Curry: But it was good. Yeah, it was awesome. It doesn't 1820 01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:58,170 matter if we make someone mad or happy as long as you're 1821 01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:59,280 boosting. It's all good. 1822 01:52:00,210 --> 01:52:04,920 Dave Jones: Alberto 999 says do fountain and he says it's here. 1823 01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:11,760 Adam Curry: Good to hear. It's finally here. Is that Alberta? 1824 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,460 rss.com. Maybe about transcripts? Maybe that was the 1825 01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:20,070 big issue here. Yes, it's a mysterious teaser boost. 1826 01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,300 Dave Jones: A bit that's what it was. Big announcement from them 1827 01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:26,220 by the way that was that was I think 1828 01:52:26,220 --> 01:52:29,040 Adam Curry: that's the fan reaching tastic the fact that 1829 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:31,740 they have multiple languages out of the box is great too. 1830 01:52:32,429 --> 01:52:36,329 Dave Jones: And I love I love that they're doing it like sort 1831 01:52:36,329 --> 01:52:38,999 of in house and not a third party I think I think that tells 1832 01:52:38,999 --> 01:52:42,689 me that probably transcripts is cheap enough now to where the 1833 01:52:42,689 --> 01:52:46,709 industry can do this. Yeah, it's it's gotten it's gotten 1834 01:52:46,979 --> 01:52:48,899 affordable. So that's a good thing to see. 1835 01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:51,690 Adam Curry: And those guys are just killing it no matter what I 1836 01:52:51,690 --> 01:52:53,040 really appreciate what they're doing. 1837 01:52:53,549 --> 01:52:57,689 Dave Jones: Yeah, me too. Clarkin again with 1000 SATs he 1838 01:52:57,689 --> 01:53:00,479 says Update Oscar helped me fit the fountain issue like a balls 1839 01:53:00,509 --> 01:53:04,799 back up and running Thank you Oscar. play by play on tech 1840 01:53:04,799 --> 01:53:09,509 support here from film 12,000 SATs from ION robot through a 1841 01:53:09,509 --> 01:53:11,849 through foundation is dropping off some climate change for the 1842 01:53:11,849 --> 01:53:14,279 index so Dave can keep the lights on five by five in the 1843 01:53:14,279 --> 01:53:15,329 pipe go podcasting. 1844 01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:21,600 Adam Curry: Go podcast. Mr. I think it's Mr. Robot. I think 1845 01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:22,860 he's hilarious. 1846 01:53:23,429 --> 01:53:26,999 Dave Jones: SLC 12498 through found he says the sages 1847 01:53:26,999 --> 01:53:29,609 dictation speed is less like a tortoise and more like a New 1848 01:53:29,609 --> 01:53:34,259 Yorker. 1.25x The fact that he can get God sets him apart from 1849 01:53:34,259 --> 01:53:39,899 the AI boosting the NI natural. Nice, nice, nice guest VLAN 1850 01:53:40,079 --> 01:53:42,389 3690. Is thank you for your work. 1851 01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:45,120 Adam Curry: You're welcome. You're very welcome. We're happy 1852 01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,260 to do that for you. 1853 01:53:46,769 --> 01:53:50,999 Dave Jones: Just listening 1776 Boost says I need info on how to 1854 01:53:50,999 --> 01:53:53,789 create ISOs the little audio clips I can't find anything 1855 01:53:53,789 --> 01:53:59,729 anywhere. I don't know. Just I use DLC YouTube DLC to download 1856 01:53:59,729 --> 01:54:01,109 stuff off YouTube and clip it that way. 1857 01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,590 Adam Curry: Yeah, I just I record actually I process 1858 01:54:07,590 --> 01:54:11,280 everything I record. So I'll I'll I'll put it straight from 1859 01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:15,990 the from the output of the computer into Hindenburg. Which 1860 01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:19,050 by the way, I was wrong about Hindenburg that that 10 hours of 1861 01:54:19,050 --> 01:54:22,140 transcript time that's only 10 hours at a time it's not like 1862 01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:24,480 they're charging you or like the like it's a bank where you have 1863 01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,920 to redeposit time yeah, it still takes it takes a long time on 1864 01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,900 this computer though. This computers he started 1865 01:54:30,900 --> 01:54:32,370 Dave Jones: doing it local. You're not doing it through 1866 01:54:32,370 --> 01:54:33,000 otter anymore. 1867 01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:38,310 Adam Curry: I here's the thing. I did want I did the podcast in 1868 01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:42,780 2.0. And there's no way to output it. There's no export of 1869 01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:47,520 the of the transcript. It's a transcript so that you can edit 1870 01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,280 based on the transcript and which works really well. It's 1871 01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,310 kind of like D script. I guess it's impressive how that works. 1872 01:54:53,310 --> 01:54:57,810 But there's no way to export an SRT or TTV or LMNOP or any of 1873 01:54:57,810 --> 01:55:01,350 that stuff. I couldn't even pass Like all copy it, I'm like, 1874 01:55:01,350 --> 01:55:07,080 okay, all right, well, that's weird. That just beta is beta, 1875 01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,540 beta two beta, two beta. 1876 01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,590 Dave Jones: Karen from Emerald is back again. tu tu tu tu tu 1877 01:55:13,590 --> 01:55:16,980 fountain. He says, Hey, Adam. Yes. The recent guest of mine 1878 01:55:16,980 --> 01:55:19,830 was talking about how other graphic designers would get mad 1879 01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:22,440 at him for doing a V for v time model. When he was first 1880 01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:24,780 starting to design as freelancer. If you ever had 1881 01:55:24,780 --> 01:55:27,720 other podcasters mad at you for ruining it ruining it for the 1882 01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,630 rest of us, ie putting your product out for free. 1883 01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,080 Adam Curry: No, I think most people think we're stupid and 1884 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:38,040 doesn't work and it's crazy. And why would you do that? And when 1885 01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:41,310 did you Why'd Why do you want chips? Now I've heard anything 1886 01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:44,940 ship anyone who's actually done the work and looked at what 1887 01:55:44,940 --> 01:55:48,840 we're doing. So no, no one's ever gotten mad. that I know 1888 01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:49,080 have 1889 01:55:50,490 --> 01:55:54,090 Dave Jones: we got a 6666 from the socialists that says satanic 1890 01:55:54,090 --> 01:55:58,740 socialist down under Oh, great love. Love the show. But please 1891 01:55:58,740 --> 01:56:01,560 lay off Beelzebub Satan gets blamed for a lot of bad stuff. 1892 01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,020 But even he would not stoop so low as to use dynamic ad 1893 01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:04,500 insertion. 1894 01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,460 Adam Curry: Is that is that the actual Satan guy who does the 1895 01:56:08,460 --> 01:56:08,760 party? 1896 01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:19,620 Unknown: Hey, this is Beelzebub telling you to boost more. 1897 01:56:21,390 --> 01:56:24,210 Dave Jones: Don't Satan would you ever use dynamic ad 1898 01:56:24,210 --> 01:56:28,920 insertion? Never. There you go. That's definitive, 1899 01:56:29,010 --> 01:56:30,300 Unknown: except on Sundays. 1900 01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:34,170 Dave Jones: That's definitive. There you 1901 01:56:34,170 --> 01:56:36,960 Adam Curry: go. Don't use it. Don't do it. People save 1902 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:37,500 yourself. 1903 01:56:38,010 --> 01:56:41,970 Dave Jones: Borlaug. 20,021 sets note. Thank 1904 01:56:41,970 --> 01:56:43,620 Adam Curry: you though Borlaug, thank you appreciate it. 1905 01:56:43,650 --> 01:56:47,010 Dave Jones: But then Borlaug comes back with 20,023 sets and 1906 01:56:47,010 --> 01:56:51,360 there is a note okay. He says these two boasts boosts are twin 1907 01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,030 primes, just like the two of you. Thanks for what you have 1908 01:56:54,030 --> 01:56:55,590 done with this project and will thank you, 1909 01:56:56,490 --> 01:56:57,390 Adam Curry: Grace. Yes, I 1910 01:56:57,390 --> 01:57:00,870 Dave Jones: appreciate it. But who is this is this lavish? 1911 01:57:01,470 --> 01:57:05,280 lavish boot? Did you get this 100,000 boost from lavish? 1912 01:57:05,309 --> 01:57:08,219 Adam Curry: I don't recall anything from lavish Let me see. 1913 01:57:09,059 --> 01:57:11,189 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, you did the gutter punk innovators? Yes. 1914 01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:12,209 Yeah, we got. We did. 1915 01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:16,320 Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well, now we got to a couple more 1916 01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:22,110 booths just came in. See dubs one a one a 110 1101. Thank you 1917 01:57:22,110 --> 01:57:29,670 very much. And striper boost 77,000 77,777 from Steve Webb, 1918 01:57:29,670 --> 01:57:32,970 the OG God caster. He says Hey, guys, just checking in from 1919 01:57:32,970 --> 01:57:36,870 Lifespring media central go podcasting. Oh, good podcast. 1920 01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:42,300 Steve Webb I saw him in the top 10 on fountain with his 1921 01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:48,960 lifestyle I think it was It is his? Which one was it? He's 1922 01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,270 doing like the Bible one through the Bible. 1923 01:57:51,299 --> 01:57:53,879 Dave Jones: The one that goes on with it. Yeah, for every 1924 01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,460 Adam Curry: single day. Yeah, it's nice. And speaking of 1925 01:57:56,460 --> 01:58:01,950 striper boost turns out I interviewed striper on MTV and 1926 01:58:01,950 --> 01:58:04,500 there's like a there's like a video of Did you see that? 1927 01:58:05,820 --> 01:58:07,980 Dave Jones: The guy with a broken foot? Yeah, I'm 1928 01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:10,230 Adam Curry: like holy crap. I can't believe that if only they 1929 01:58:10,230 --> 01:58:14,520 knew that they had become a boost number. It will be so they 1930 01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,740 will be pleased I'm sure. And like 1931 01:58:16,740 --> 01:58:18,780 Dave Jones: this, like this, Steve came in with a striper 1932 01:58:18,780 --> 01:58:21,510 boost to offset that Satan boost. Yeah, that's thanks. Yes. 1933 01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:25,170 Adam Curry: There you go. That's exactly how it works. Yes. 1934 01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,990 Beautiful. Thank you very much. We needed that Steve. Thanks. 1935 01:58:28,770 --> 01:58:30,960 Dave Jones: There's about balances restored. Perfect 1936 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,150 Adam Curry: timing. Yes, the world is good again. Who? 1937 01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:34,950 Dave Jones: Really Schonfeld? 1938 01:58:36,330 --> 01:58:37,920 Adam Curry: Was you Oh, what did you say now? 1939 01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:45,750 Dave Jones: 4321. He says listening in Fiat speed I like 1940 01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:49,110 it. I'll take it. Thank you Roy comic strip blogger the 1941 01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:52,740 delimiters 30 3015 through fountain he says delicious 1942 01:58:52,770 --> 01:58:56,790 delicious Dave and appetizing Adam no goodness. once a 1943 01:58:56,790 --> 01:59:00,300 fortnight start your day right with a nutritious helping of the 1944 01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:05,310 AI cooking podcast, a 2.0 compliant V for V certified show 1945 01:59:05,550 --> 01:59:09,780 where the deliciously nimble Tang goof aka Gregory Forman, 1946 01:59:10,050 --> 01:59:14,310 The Once and Future King of kinit, aka the COC delivers. 1947 01:59:16,140 --> 01:59:17,880 Adam Curry: It means something different in Britain 1948 01:59:18,690 --> 01:59:22,080 Dave Jones: delivers tasty morsel after morsel of news 1949 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:25,080 items about artificial intelligence, because complexity 1950 01:59:25,170 --> 01:59:28,560 and brevity are a handsome bedfellows. Yo CSB. 1951 01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:31,230 Adam Curry: Thank you CSB for always supporting every single 1952 01:59:31,230 --> 01:59:36,540 show I've ever heard in my life and I hope it's working out this 1953 01:59:36,540 --> 01:59:41,310 is probably the longest running promotion that that has been 1954 01:59:41,310 --> 01:59:45,390 going on for for podcasts is what he is doing for AI cooking. 1955 01:59:45,870 --> 01:59:48,120 Dave Jones: We need to start marketing this you know, like 1956 01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:52,650 Todd does for GoDaddy, the longest running continuous 1957 01:59:52,650 --> 01:59:56,100 podcast sponsored DSP the longest running continuous 1958 01:59:56,100 --> 01:59:56,700 booster 1959 01:59:56,730 --> 01:59:59,220 Adam Curry: Yep, he's just right. And he podcast and 1960 01:59:59,220 --> 02:00:02,670 consistently And he'll boost again if he if he misses a split 1961 02:00:02,670 --> 02:00:04,560 he'll complain make it fixed. 1962 02:00:06,359 --> 02:00:07,889 Dave Jones: He'll bet you button duty day 1963 02:00:07,949 --> 02:00:09,869 Adam Curry: I never have to worry if my umbrella is down 1964 02:00:09,869 --> 02:00:13,169 because it's coming to your blog it will let me know. I don't 1965 02:00:13,169 --> 02:00:15,959 need to run any service that checks I just see SP he'll take 1966 02:00:15,959 --> 02:00:19,259 care of it's like pager duty. Whatever he has paid. Remember 1967 02:00:19,259 --> 02:00:23,909 that pager duty I had paid duty. Goodness. Oh man. Oh man. Oh, 1968 02:00:23,909 --> 02:00:24,239 man. 1969 02:00:24,599 --> 02:00:27,659 Dave Jones: Oh, we got some gotcha monthlies. Monthly. Yes. 1970 02:00:28,709 --> 02:00:31,679 Sorry for the long donation. Second level. We had that mix up 1971 02:00:31,679 --> 02:00:37,049 last week, so you gotta get a deal. Wallasey Cameron Rose $25. 1972 02:00:37,049 --> 02:00:44,099 Joseph maraca $5. Will you mang $5 Jeremy new $5 pod verse, LLC 1973 02:00:44,099 --> 02:00:50,789 $50. Thank you, Michelle. Lauren ball $24.20. Basil, Philip $25. 1974 02:00:51,209 --> 02:00:56,729 Mitch Downey, of pod verse $10. And Christopher Paul robotic $10 1975 02:00:56,850 --> 02:00:58,920 Adam Curry: Thank you. Oh, yeah, thank you all so much for 1976 02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:02,730 supporting podcasting 2.0 as the only way that it can be 1977 02:01:02,730 --> 02:01:06,480 supported the only way that it will continue as existence that 1978 02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,340 is through supporting the podcast and of course, 1979 02:01:08,340 --> 02:01:11,850 supporting everything that we do at podcast index.org podcast 1980 02:01:11,850 --> 02:01:15,810 index dot social. Edie had, do you ever have a chance to make a 1981 02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:20,280 calculation about what it would cost to upgrade the gear to do 1982 02:01:20,490 --> 02:01:24,180 full indexing of episode notes, etc? 1983 02:01:25,980 --> 02:01:30,270 Dave Jones: Oh, no, no, I mean, we're gonna have to update we're 1984 02:01:30,270 --> 02:01:32,190 gonna have to upgrade the database instance. 1985 02:01:32,879 --> 02:01:34,679 Adam Curry: Again, we didn't just do that about a couple 1986 02:01:34,679 --> 02:01:35,249 months ago. 1987 02:01:35,549 --> 02:01:39,089 Dave Jones: No, I was able to put it off. Okay, okay. Yeah, I 1988 02:01:39,089 --> 02:01:42,389 stretched it stretched our budget. So I was able to make 1989 02:01:42,389 --> 02:01:45,779 that happen. But but I've not done that. Honestly, I just 1990 02:01:45,779 --> 02:01:49,319 don't even know. I mean, indexing 110 million episodes, a 1991 02:01:49,319 --> 02:01:53,489 full 4000 characters of each district 1992 02:01:53,759 --> 02:01:56,699 Adam Curry: would only be 4000. We can't index PDFs and other 1993 02:01:56,699 --> 02:02:01,499 stuff people throw in there. Oh, that's yeah, I like that. 1994 02:02:01,499 --> 02:02:02,039 Shocking. 1995 02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:03,270 Dave Jones: I know. It's got your kids 1996 02:02:03,270 --> 02:02:06,570 Adam Curry: a real shocker. Oh, no, we call that a bombs. Yes. 1997 02:02:06,570 --> 02:02:07,470 Oh, my God this 1998 02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:11,190 Dave Jones: week? Yeah, no, it? I don't know that. I don't know 1999 02:02:11,190 --> 02:02:13,440 how much it would be. I don't think isn't I don't know that is 2000 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:14,100 necessary. 2001 02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:17,580 Adam Curry: No, I'm just we get requests. And so all I do is 2002 02:02:17,580 --> 02:02:20,880 just say, Hey, is it possible? Can we do it? No. Okay, fine. I 2003 02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:21,330 hope people 2004 02:02:21,330 --> 02:02:23,100 Dave Jones: are using the new people search because I think 2005 02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:27,480 it's read I spent some time on a couple of weeks ago. And it's 2006 02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:30,180 pretty good. Now. It's pretty darn good. Good 2007 02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:33,690 Adam Curry: Pocket Cast. They're working on their search. Are 2008 02:02:33,690 --> 02:02:36,120 they going to because they were also going to integrate people? 2009 02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,030 Right. Did they did so well. They ended up 2010 02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:42,480 Dave Jones: looking at the person. Well, I don't know. I 2011 02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,220 don't know why. I guess they're doing their own search since 2012 02:02:44,220 --> 02:02:45,300 they spend so much time on it. 2013 02:02:46,260 --> 02:02:48,450 Adam Curry: But yeah, I mean, they could just use an API but 2014 02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:52,890 okay, go go go rebuild the wagon there. Let me show you so if I 2015 02:02:52,890 --> 02:02:55,710 do Adam curry it'll just pop it up. Let me see. 2016 02:02:55,740 --> 02:03:01,080 Dave Jones: Oh, no, he's are using ours. Yeah. 2017 02:03:01,860 --> 02:03:04,860 Adam Curry: Wow, that works really fast. 2018 02:03:05,970 --> 02:03:08,280 Dave Jones: Every everything I do is fast brother. Yeah. 2019 02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:10,860 Adam Curry: Adam curry payload. 2020 02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:14,100 Dave Jones: What is this? Let's say we payload 2021 02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:20,100 Adam Curry: Adam curry payload. Adam Curry's RSS enclosure test 2022 02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:23,580 channel. Where's this from? Let me see. 2023 02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:26,190 Dave Jones: What what see does it say that? Oh, this 2024 02:03:26,190 --> 02:03:28,440 Adam Curry: is from a radio weblogs feed this can't be 2025 02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,740 active anymore candidate. Let's see if it plays anything. Does 2026 02:03:31,740 --> 02:03:37,980 it play anything? No. Operation Iraqi convertible journalism 2027 02:03:37,980 --> 02:03:42,450 Mars. Are they crooked? What is this stuff? This is great. None 2028 02:03:42,450 --> 02:03:46,560 of it works. But it's great. Oh, I'll tag this to be nuked. 2029 02:03:47,220 --> 02:03:48,570 Where'd that even come from? 2030 02:03:48,780 --> 02:03:50,430 Dave Jones: I would love what's the feed number what's the feed 2031 02:03:50,430 --> 02:03:50,790 ID 2032 02:03:51,780 --> 02:03:56,100 Adam Curry: for 605475 So that's not that's pretty new. 2033 02:03:57,180 --> 02:04:01,770 Dave Jones: Force of some Chris rising dug up out of the 2034 02:04:01,830 --> 02:04:05,700 Adam Curry: ether. Clearly, clearly Gary Leland I'm 2035 02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:08,130 Dave Jones: curious RSS includes your test feed 2036 02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:12,030 Adam Curry: Adam curry free culture. Adam curry daily Audio 2037 02:04:12,030 --> 02:04:12,780 Bible. 2038 02:04:13,290 --> 02:04:16,710 Dave Jones: Adam Adam listen to this. If you click through to 2039 02:04:16,710 --> 02:04:19,680 the RSS feed, yeah, this this goes to 2040 02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:27,360 cyber.harvard.edu/rss/examples/rss enclosures example dot XML Holy 2041 02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:32,580 moly. Wow, this is oh this this was last build date Sunday. 27th 2042 02:04:32,580 --> 02:04:33,990 of June 2004. 2043 02:04:34,019 --> 02:04:35,519 Adam Curry: Yeah. What's it to you bro? 2044 02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:40,980 Dave Jones: Generator, radio user land V. 2045 02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:44,760 Adam Curry: I told you I told you that. Well, that's 2046 02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,070 interesting. So they republished some feeds over there. 2047 02:04:47,970 --> 02:04:50,040 Dave Jones: Well, I think it's probably always been there 2048 02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:52,620 forever. I bet you this is just something nobody even knows is 2049 02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:56,460 there anymore. Like so many aspects of my life. I'm not 2050 02:04:56,460 --> 02:04:58,590 killing this feat. Other indexes. This is history 2051 02:04:58,590 --> 02:04:58,950 brother. 2052 02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,370 Adam Curry: All right. Everybody that'll conclude our broadcast 2053 02:05:02,370 --> 02:05:06,840 day to buck 10 Wow, we're really stretching it out these days. We 2054 02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:09,450 need to get some guests on so we hurried up whenever we have goes 2055 02:05:09,450 --> 02:05:10,200 much shorter. 2056 02:05:10,620 --> 02:05:16,470 Dave Jones: We've got we've got Tom Rossi from Buzzsprout next 2057 02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:19,050 week oh cool about Yeah, I'm 2058 02:05:19,050 --> 02:05:20,430 Adam Curry: gonna have corruption so I'm going to ask 2059 02:05:20,430 --> 02:05:25,110 him about this. This podcast standard project. Yeah, yep. And 2060 02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:27,840 we will clearly behind it clearly he's 2061 02:05:30,630 --> 02:05:32,070 Dave Jones: probably gonna ask him about his about what? 2062 02:05:34,410 --> 02:05:36,720 Adam Curry: Alright, brother Dave, thank you. I know this is 2063 02:05:36,750 --> 02:05:40,530 really crazy times for you with with your with your work with 2064 02:05:40,530 --> 02:05:44,070 tax coming up. You know, does that all end on the 16th and 2065 02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:46,650 then all sudden, you just get to let out a big sigh. 2066 02:05:47,130 --> 02:05:50,340 Dave Jones: Yes. I think it may be the 17th this year, 2067 02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:52,620 Adam Curry: though. That's right. The 16th is the final 2068 02:05:52,620 --> 02:05:53,400 date. Yeah. 2069 02:05:53,940 --> 02:05:56,730 Dave Jones: Yep. I'm home with it. Actually, my daughter's sick 2070 02:05:56,730 --> 02:05:57,330 today so 2071 02:05:57,599 --> 02:06:01,109 Adam Curry: Oh, she'd be okay. 2072 02:06:01,590 --> 02:06:03,630 Dave Jones: Yeah, she's fine. She ran a fever just some some 2073 02:06:03,630 --> 02:06:05,220 low fever virus and just doesn't want 2074 02:06:05,220 --> 02:06:07,260 Adam Curry: to go to school. I got I know how you dip the 2075 02:06:07,260 --> 02:06:09,510 thermometer and some hot water like oh, I don't feel good. 2076 02:06:10,650 --> 02:06:16,380 Yeah. All right, chat room. Thank you very much. Thank you 2077 02:06:16,380 --> 02:06:18,630 to all the boosters who came in and support us. We really 2078 02:06:18,630 --> 02:06:21,630 appreciate it. This has been the podcasting 2.0 board meeting we 2079 02:06:21,630 --> 02:06:26,430 return next week. 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