Episode 127: Fortress of Freedom

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,910 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for March 31 2023, episode 127 2 00:00:06,090 --> 00:00:11,430 fortress of freedom Hello everybody, welcome once again to 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,660 your board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We've always got better 4 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:18,930 bagels and big tech in our boardroom, the latest 5 00:00:18,930 --> 00:00:23,010 developments, podcast index.org to namespace and and of course, 6 00:00:23,250 --> 00:00:26,730 all the grubby grimy details of podcast index dot social. I'm 7 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,280 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,670 Alabama the man who will turn your issue into a discussion. 9 00:00:32,940 --> 00:00:35,130 Say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, 10 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,920 Mr. De Jones. 11 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:41,550 Dave Jones: I feel ill equipped to talk about the latest in 12 00:00:41,550 --> 00:00:44,370 recent and whatever else you said the developments in the 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,420 pocket and podcasting. I've been going. I've been out of town. 14 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:51,720 Adam Curry: Well, I was out of town too. But I was not. 15 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:53,670 Dave Jones: I was no excuse. 16 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:55,920 Adam Curry: Exactly Shut up, man. There's no excuse. 17 00:00:57,510 --> 00:01:01,530 Dave Jones: Oh, I get home and promptly. We get home Wednesday 18 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:06,930 night. Yeah, everything was fun. Yeah. Woke. Woke up. Felt fun 19 00:01:06,930 --> 00:01:12,960 yesterday morning. Yeah. But by lunchtime by lunchtime, Tiny Tim 20 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:13,950 in full effect. I had a 21 00:01:14,789 --> 00:01:15,539 Adam Curry: really 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,830 Dave Jones: hard time in spring months. This is 23 00:01:19,890 --> 00:01:22,620 Adam Curry: getting ridiculous. Are you better now? Or is it 24 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:23,460 still full on? 25 00:01:23,490 --> 00:01:25,230 Dave Jones: No, I had a fever again today as 26 00:01:25,470 --> 00:01:27,840 Unknown: what is wrong with you, man? I don't know. 27 00:01:31,980 --> 00:01:34,680 Adam Curry: laughing I mean, I'm laughing I'm of course I'm not 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,170 really happy about it. But I have to laugh. It was like what 29 00:01:37,170 --> 00:01:39,690 is going on with my man here? Well, I have 30 00:01:39,690 --> 00:01:41,430 Dave Jones: to get I have to laugh to you. Because this is 31 00:01:41,430 --> 00:01:47,160 absurd at this point. It is. It is a bit absurd. It's just not 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,250 even talking about anymore and just copying Advil and moving on 33 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:50,850 with my will. Have 34 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:52,740 Adam Curry: you been taking your beef milkshake? 35 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:55,890 Dave Jones: Yeah, every day. Well, I did not on the road. Not 36 00:01:55,890 --> 00:01:57,240 when that's maybe the problem. 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,580 Adam Curry: There you go. You need to always bring your your 38 00:01:59,580 --> 00:02:02,160 beef milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. 39 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:07,020 Dave Jones: Emergency shake. I didn't have it with me. 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,420 Adam Curry: Alright, so I was on vacation. While kind of a work 41 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:14,670 vacation. I still did to no agenda shows. 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,180 Dave Jones: Because I did a great, by the way, send a great, 43 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:18,630 no, thank 44 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:20,940 Adam Curry: you. You know, some people said if you hadn't said 45 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:22,710 you're on vacation, they wouldn't have known it. They 46 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:25,350 would have known I was in a different place. No, I wouldn't 47 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:27,990 Dave Jones: have the audio quality was what you would 48 00:02:27,990 --> 00:02:29,850 expect. Top notch. Yeah, well, 49 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:31,980 Adam Curry: it's the road caster, man, if I if I could 50 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:33,600 have built that thing myself, I would have 51 00:02:33,930 --> 00:02:37,440 Dave Jones: got the rain was fun to turn down for the first show. 52 00:02:37,859 --> 00:02:40,379 Adam Curry: Could not could not cover that one up. I was some 53 00:02:40,379 --> 00:02:44,909 that was some. That's what you get in, in the Caribbean. And 54 00:02:44,909 --> 00:02:48,269 you know, as always, you know, we're, you know, we're there for 55 00:02:48,269 --> 00:02:51,389 exactly a week. And of course, I was basically working, you know, 56 00:02:51,449 --> 00:02:55,439 Tina, when we were laying out by the beach. You know, Tina is 57 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,379 reading on my phone, you know, doing emails and you know, just 58 00:02:58,409 --> 00:03:01,379 collecting all the stuff I need. And as always, you're like, you 59 00:03:01,379 --> 00:03:06,689 know, we could live here, you know? You always do. Yeah, we 60 00:03:06,689 --> 00:03:08,369 could live here. We could live on this. I could live in 61 00:03:08,369 --> 00:03:11,069 Jamaica. No problem, man. We couldn't live here. You always 62 00:03:11,069 --> 00:03:14,459 go through that cycle. Like, oh, this is so great here. You know, 63 00:03:14,489 --> 00:03:17,159 you don't think you totally could? Yeah, you don't but you 64 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:20,939 don't think about the problems that exist in Ireland. Like 65 00:03:21,029 --> 00:03:23,189 there's there's enough problems. They got problems there. 66 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:26,010 Dave Jones: Though. We do that to you because we were in we 67 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:27,510 were in Charleston, South Carolina. 68 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,300 Adam Curry: Oh, which eautiful Have you been there before? 69 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:34,260 Dave Jones: Never been never been to Charleston. We've we've 70 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:38,400 been to Savannah, which is like the people in Charleston 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,490 probably hate hearing the phrase this stuff does look a lot a lot 72 00:03:41,490 --> 00:03:44,370 like Savannah. And the people in Savannah probably hate hearing 73 00:03:44,370 --> 00:03:47,970 it in reverse. But they really are so similar. I mean, they're 74 00:03:47,970 --> 00:03:51,570 very close to each other and they look a lot like that. Ya 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,300 know, we had a good time and it was it's funny because 76 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:58,530 Charleston is trusted affiliate very wealthy play. 77 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:01,320 Adam Curry: Oh, didn't historically even that way. 78 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:05,070 Dave Jones: They know a lot of poor folks in Charleston and I 79 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:05,310 can 80 00:04:05,310 --> 00:04:09,090 Adam Curry: see Dame Jennifer's eyes rolling right now. You know 81 00:04:09,090 --> 00:04:11,010 she pretty much runs Charleston. 82 00:04:12,150 --> 00:04:14,640 Dave Jones: Forgot Dame Jennifer was in Charleston. She 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,570 Adam Curry: would have hooked you up bro. I know she runs the 84 00:04:18,570 --> 00:04:22,500 show there. She she really she's the queen of Charleston. 85 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:26,040 Dave Jones: This this is a complete faux pas on my part. 86 00:04:26,070 --> 00:04:28,650 Hey, this this is like I dropped the ball really 87 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:31,770 Adam Curry: is. Oh my goodness. Well, she'll show she'll beat 88 00:04:31,770 --> 00:04:32,220 you out. I'm 89 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:35,370 Dave Jones: sure that's fine. No. Bring it. 90 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:44,550 Adam Curry: Speaking of Dame Jennifer. Oh. Oh. What is 91 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:47,160 speaking of Dame Jennifer so I was listening to the latest 92 00:04:47,190 --> 00:04:51,420 audacity to podcast Daniel J. Lewis, his podcast which he 93 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:57,180 which he click Beatty titled? micro micro payments. Is it 94 00:04:57,180 --> 00:04:57,780 worth it? 95 00:04:58,770 --> 00:05:01,890 Dave Jones: Yeah, but it goes into SCO gazing this Yeah, 96 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:04,590 Adam Curry: so So he, of course totally spoiled it says hand 97 00:05:04,590 --> 00:05:08,940 hand Adam, you'll love it. Like, okay, and I listen, it's 30 98 00:05:08,940 --> 00:05:13,860 minutes I listened to this thing. And, and I'm just I'm 99 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:18,060 jumping up and down. I'm like, every single thing we've wanted 100 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:20,790 to talk about when it comes to value for value in podcasting. 101 00:05:20,790 --> 00:05:25,200 2.0 is in here, right down to this handy shortcut, which is if 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,870 you want to know how much bitcoin is worth, all you have 103 00:05:27,870 --> 00:05:31,380 to do is say, whatever the number is, let's say it's 104 00:05:31,410 --> 00:05:36,810 28,000. Right now. That's 28,000. pennies. 1000 SATs is 105 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:42,000 28,000 pennies, ie. No, I messed it up already. 106 00:05:43,470 --> 00:05:45,420 Dave Jones: This is great. I can't wait to catch this. 107 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:49,350 Adam Curry: 1000 SATs is 28 pennies. There we go. That's 108 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,210 okay. That's how you got to look at and it's like, oh, okay, that 109 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:56,160 makes a lot of sense. So but if it's 30, it's $30,000 1000 sites 110 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:59,760 is 30 pennies. And like, oh, that kind of is handy to 111 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,050 remember. I like this. But he explains everything right? I 112 00:06:04,050 --> 00:06:06,660 mean, and when I thought I was not going to talk about the 113 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:10,200 loop, you know, the feet, he had it all in there. There's maybe a 114 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,040 few things that went in a little little deeper than necessary. 115 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,460 And I immediately first of all, I gave him a huge striper boost 116 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:25,620 77,777 No. And I and I immediately ping Dame Jennifer, 117 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:29,280 I said, This is it. Can you do this? Can I said we have a 118 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,590 little budget podcast index. We'll pay you a little bit of 119 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,320 money to do this. Because it's not it's not just a simple job. 120 00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:39,750 Can you make a video this is the explainer video for value for 121 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:44,190 value. And so she'll have that done in the next week or week or 122 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:46,560 two, whatever. She's she's going to really sit down and do it 123 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:47,490 like a real job. 124 00:06:48,030 --> 00:06:49,830 Dave Jones: Oh, like some but like, I mean, like somes 125 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:52,740 actually in the works, like Yes and actually do so yeah, 126 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:54,930 Adam Curry: this is the thing that we've been talking about, 127 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:58,050 for forever, like, Oh, if we could only explain how it 128 00:06:58,050 --> 00:07:00,480 worked, people would understand it that much better and damage. 129 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,540 If we if we had sat in it actually we have if we had sat 130 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:06,510 down and said, Alright, I'm going to write the script. This 131 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:10,410 is what I was going to be we never and even Daniel's read was 132 00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,910 good as we never would have been able to accomplish this. So I 133 00:07:15,150 --> 00:07:16,740 Dave Jones: like as a good player. He's a good pocket 134 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:17,460 podcaster. He's 135 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:20,640 Adam Curry: excellent podcaster. And he really, really, really 136 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,960 nailed it right down to the numerology, all of it. So I 137 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,450 mean, there could even be a short edit and longer version. I 138 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:31,650 don't know. So Dame Jennifer's on it. And I think she can't 139 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:33,840 start until this weekend or Monday, because she had no 140 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,140 actual work to do. But I said, we want to hire you for that. I 141 00:07:37,140 --> 00:07:40,530 hope you don't mind. I know that's it's a personal personal 142 00:07:40,530 --> 00:07:43,560 privilege and just said we want to hire you for this job. And 143 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,700 and of course, we'll also we will compensate Daniel J. Lewis, 144 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:51,990 one way or the other. We've seen sexual favors, obviously. 145 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:54,600 Dave Jones: I'm sure he's looking forward to that. 146 00:07:55,230 --> 00:07:56,700 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, he's jumping up and down. Now. 147 00:07:58,980 --> 00:08:03,270 Dave Jones: He's going to resend that episode. This. Oh, what is 148 00:08:03,270 --> 00:08:05,640 this going to be? I mean, what is she? What is she creating? 149 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,940 Adam Curry: Well, you know, her no agenda videos and no agenda 150 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,820 animated videos that that tool that she uses. She's going to do 151 00:08:11,850 --> 00:08:15,390 use that I guess that's her tool. She knows. 152 00:08:16,170 --> 00:08:17,880 Dave Jones: But you don't actually know that she's going 153 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,490 to use that she could ever call car blog. 154 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,550 Adam Curry: Carte Blanche is exactly the idea. Okay, carte 155 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:26,940 blanche on a crisp. She's She's, she's so creative. 156 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Dave Jones: Well, this is what this is what Melissa says when 157 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,180 people she's currently working on the on an installation for to 158 00:08:36,180 --> 00:08:38,970 go in the city of Birmingham. Wow, 159 00:08:39,030 --> 00:08:41,730 Adam Curry: she she went a long way since last time. We talked 160 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:46,080 about her art. Installation for the city of Birmingham. Yes. 161 00:08:46,170 --> 00:08:48,180 Dave Jones: No, she's already got one that she did a few years 162 00:08:48,180 --> 00:08:50,460 ago. That's, that's permanent. So 163 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:52,770 Adam Curry: I remember the I remember panicle gardens. I do 164 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:54,120 remember that. Yeah. So 165 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,460 Dave Jones: she now they they love that one so much. They want 166 00:08:56,460 --> 00:09:00,180 her to do want. She's doing one for near the museum near the 167 00:09:00,210 --> 00:09:08,070 Museum of Art. And so she is what she said like the there's 168 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:10,500 somebody that was involved in it. It was trying to like tell 169 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:15,810 her exactly what to do. No, no work that doesn't work this way. 170 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,830 Doesn't work that way. And her her her line that she uses all 171 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:25,620 the time is I'm not going to be your hand. You know, it's like, 172 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:27,390 Unknown: but yeah. 173 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:31,830 Dave Jones: You don't hire me to be your hands. You hire me to do 174 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:32,970 to be creative 175 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:36,900 Adam Curry: mind. Yes, exactly. To do your thing. Oh, well, this 176 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:39,090 will be interesting. That's exactly how I view I'm like, 177 00:09:39,090 --> 00:09:42,480 this is this. Jennifer knows, she knows she knows how to do 178 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,160 it. And we've talked about this at nauseam we've said yeah, if 179 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,460 only people could see the flow and they understood it. And as 180 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:54,600 the voice over which it of course was just an episode, but 181 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,180 when you hear Daniel J do it, it's like, you know, he's it's 182 00:09:57,180 --> 00:10:01,920 like he's just reading a script so casually. So Oh good. So I'm 183 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,010 jacked jazz and jacked at the same time. I really am happy 184 00:10:05,010 --> 00:10:09,420 about that. It's gonna be a really it'll be great. We're lit 185 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:14,250 right now, of course, live. And it was interesting because I 186 00:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,340 knew that we were going to be late you had a work thing. So we 187 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:19,920 knew that we were going to be late for this episode. And I 188 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,640 diligently tweeted and tweeted it out and then who was it 189 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,900 someone was really funny about it because Martin good old pod 190 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:35,910 pod friend Martin. He he sent me a message on no agenda social by 191 00:10:35,910 --> 00:10:39,270 me podcast index dot social. And he said he had a little 192 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,810 screenshot. When he says Dave and Adam, I don't know when to 193 00:10:42,810 --> 00:10:44,880 tune in for the Live episode, because it still have the 194 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,670 latest, you know, the the last lit tag for the pending live 195 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:55,980 show, March news 30. Priority and what it was for March 17. 196 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,170 And then Harvey, a hard hat. He says, Oh, if only there was some 197 00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:04,350 kind of way to announce the panting schedule of the next 198 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:05,340 show. 199 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:06,810 Dave Jones: Smart. So 200 00:11:08,850 --> 00:11:12,450 Adam Curry: he did do some emojis. So true. Yeah. And of 201 00:11:12,450 --> 00:11:17,160 course, I actually took my My Bride out on a date. We had a, 202 00:11:17,370 --> 00:11:20,640 we had a lunch together and like, Oh, crap, hold on a 203 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,050 second, baby. I'm so sorry. I did. I did. I did. But she so 204 00:11:26,070 --> 00:11:26,430 she said 205 00:11:26,430 --> 00:11:27,630 Dave Jones: what relationship killer? 206 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:30,930 Adam Curry: But you have to understand the keeper. What are 207 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:35,640 you doing? I said, I need to update the schedule change 208 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:38,850 through the lit tag. She's like, Oh, of course. Go ahead. 209 00:11:41,310 --> 00:11:42,030 Unknown: My Bride. 210 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:43,980 Dave Jones: That's why she's known as the keeper. 211 00:11:44,369 --> 00:11:46,709 Adam Curry: She's so good. So yeah. And I did it on my phone. 212 00:11:46,709 --> 00:11:48,659 It worked out pretty good. That was good. 213 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:51,870 Dave Jones: And my phone had you do it on your phone 214 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Adam Curry: through sovereign feet. 215 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,340 Dave Jones: So you made that change on sovereign? This? Okay, 216 00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:02,820 this makes sense. Because you made the change in sovereign 217 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:04,020 feeds in the new 218 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:05,940 Adam Curry: and we have the webhook webhook. We haven't. 219 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:11,250 Yeah, exactly. How cool is that? Went? Well, I hooked it and it 220 00:12:11,250 --> 00:12:14,850 was done. I did. You know, of course, the web hook does the 221 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:17,400 pod pings are updated automatically. But 222 00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:21,720 Dave Jones: this is the problem. This is the problem with with 223 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,390 all the with all the stuff that we have going on a consistent 224 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:28,080 basis. You forget what you've done and what you haven't done. 225 00:12:28,590 --> 00:12:30,330 Like, like, you know what I mean? Like? 226 00:12:31,950 --> 00:12:34,290 Adam Curry: FTP, the RSS was 227 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:36,810 Dave Jones: like, Man, did you bring out a laptop on the lunch 228 00:12:36,810 --> 00:12:39,150 date? Man, that's, that is a killer. That is bad. 229 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:42,630 Adam Curry: No, no, no. And so, and I bring this up, because I 230 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:47,130 just wanted to say that, you know, every day, we get a, like 231 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:51,690 a breakdown, you and I get a breakdown of transactions or the 232 00:12:51,690 --> 00:12:54,090 stuff that we know the stuff that's basically on the V for V 233 00:12:54,090 --> 00:12:57,870 stats page. So yeah, what you put in those beautiful graphs, 234 00:12:57,870 --> 00:13:01,110 and so we get kind of daily report. And I just want to 235 00:13:01,110 --> 00:13:06,030 report that it's really it's been so beautiful to watch. 236 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:09,810 This, of course, is really only reflections of what people are 237 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:14,070 doing with value for value in streaming payments. And hands 238 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:18,360 down without a doubt. Fountain is so off to the races with this 239 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,690 stuff. I mean, there's SATs flying all over the place on 240 00:13:21,690 --> 00:13:26,640 that thing. And the more I've engaged in what is happening, 241 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,750 the more I love how it works. And even with carrying the 242 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:34,290 keeper our show, we often get a booster gram from someone who 243 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:38,400 says, Hey, I earned all these SATs. unfound unfounded and and 244 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,860 I'm boosting him to you. It's really lovely. You know, you 245 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:46,920 have they have the top 50 of which they publish the top 10. 246 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,330 And now we've even got living up in a down world from our pastor, 247 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:53,730 Pastor Jimmy and his wife who have totally written off the 248 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:57,210 Korean the keeper format. And and they're now they're now in 249 00:13:57,210 --> 00:14:00,750 the top 10 From time to time. And it's the engagement is 250 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:05,610 unbelievable. In fact, the engagement is usually about 10 251 00:14:05,610 --> 00:14:10,530 times more than than the number two. And in fact, I will do it 252 00:14:10,530 --> 00:14:14,610 by transaction. So the number of transactions is very, very high 253 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:20,040 on fountain. But what's super interesting is that pod verse 254 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,500 who really have the lit stuff down, Mitch is real and he spent 255 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:27,960 a lot of time on the notifications and how it works 256 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,890 and it's it's slick, it really works. In fact, I probably use 257 00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:35,790 pod verse more often because of it. Because I'll be sitting 258 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,850 somewhere being our new media show. I gotta go send some 259 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:43,980 stupid to Todd Hold on a second. I gotta I gotta tune in. So, 260 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:49,530 Satoshi wise, amount wise, they often knock it out of the park 261 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:54,570 on pod verse off the chart, not even close. Yes, because I mean 262 00:14:54,570 --> 00:14:57,600 it's two different things, right. It's two total different 263 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,070 ways of using the value from Are you system but man in 264 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:05,640 combination with live? It's beautiful and I listened to? I'm 265 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,900 not sure if how they how Darren O'Neil does his live show? I'm 266 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:13,170 not sure if he's doing it through a feed or I don't know 267 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:17,730 exactly. But I hear him getting 50,000 Sad boosts I mean, just 268 00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:24,240 consistently. And even curio caster is number three even 269 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,840 though you know it's a web app and doesn't have doesn't have a 270 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,500 notification system, but people use that for the for the live 271 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:35,730 for the live shows. It's it's it's mind blowing how two 272 00:15:35,730 --> 00:15:38,790 different concepts work so well. 273 00:15:40,110 --> 00:15:42,420 Dave Jones: I think what you said may have gotten lost. Let 274 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:43,140 me let me 275 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,620 Adam Curry: let me read. This is why there's two of us. 276 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:51,300 Dave Jones: Let me try to clarify what you're saying is 277 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:56,970 that fountain is always at the top. Yeah. On a day to day 278 00:15:56,970 --> 00:16:01,920 basis. But on the budget. As far as SATs and transactions use, 279 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,450 yeah. Yeah. But on the day on the live shows for the for the 280 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:13,080 for the Live episode, pod verse is way above fountain on on on 281 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,010 SATs. Yeah, the transaction count is low. But the set amount 282 00:16:17,010 --> 00:16:21,720 is high. Exactly. And that that shows the power of live Yes. 283 00:16:21,810 --> 00:16:29,700 Shows Yes. But you really get a different. It's some you get a 284 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:32,070 different, it's different people. Because people that 285 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:35,040 listen live, don't go back. And typically I mean, so I'm sure 286 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,250 some do. But typically people that listen live, don't go back 287 00:16:38,250 --> 00:16:41,370 and listen to the show. Afterwards, probably not an 288 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:41,880 audience. 289 00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:44,580 Adam Curry: But it's also to complete. This is what I've 290 00:16:44,580 --> 00:16:48,450 always hoped for. It's two completely different apps. Both 291 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:53,970 podcasts. Yeah. Both work fine with podcasts. But Fountain has 292 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:57,780 this massive interaction engagement type thing. It's very 293 00:16:57,780 --> 00:17:02,580 sticky. And it was beauty has been beautiful to see. My friend 294 00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:06,660 Jimmy and his wife start their show, really with no knowledge. 295 00:17:06,690 --> 00:17:10,650 I mean, just, I mean, he's a musician he understands. So he 296 00:17:10,650 --> 00:17:13,830 didn't he was afraid of creating the show. didn't quite know how 297 00:17:13,830 --> 00:17:17,640 to use it. I hooked him up with rss.com You know, where all of a 298 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,370 sudden transcript showed up automatically the split showed 299 00:17:20,370 --> 00:17:23,460 up. So all that stuff really started and he got it right 300 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:28,020 away. But he sees his community on fountain, which is really 301 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:32,700 cool, because he's, you know, he's giving little boosts back 302 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:35,490 to people who comment and stuff. And they see that as a 303 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:39,870 community. Whereas we have curio Kassar, also just the podcast 304 00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:45,270 app, but really has the community of the live shows. And 305 00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:49,050 I love that because now you have two podcast apps, but it's not 306 00:17:49,050 --> 00:17:52,290 all the same thing. They're using it in different ways. And 307 00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:55,200 I think there's so much more that, that we can do with that 308 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,190 there's so many more things that can be created, particularly in 309 00:17:59,190 --> 00:18:01,980 the live sense, but even but even in the engagement side, 310 00:18:02,010 --> 00:18:07,500 it's it just I'm so happy, you know, and it's so easy at it for 311 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:11,100 a podcast or to add a split somewhere for some other service 312 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:17,190 to get fired up. You know, just to be now I put in 1% split that 313 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:21,480 goes to my wallet on fountain. So other shows shows up there 314 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,090 even though I don't have a wallet, I'm fountain, you know, 315 00:18:24,090 --> 00:18:27,270 that receives all the Satoshis. It's just it's just mind 316 00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:31,980 boggling how much is happening in completely different ways 317 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:34,980 with the same basic podcast idea. Does that make sense? 318 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:38,880 Dave Jones: What I'm waiting for somebody to build the live 319 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:44,790 instead of just like instead of just putting live into an 320 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:49,710 existing app, like build an entire app around live who Yeah, 321 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:54,120 you know, because what you're really building is radio, 322 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,460 Adam Curry: or YouTube or YouTube Live? 323 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,290 Dave Jones: Yeah, you're like, you can imagine it, let's just 324 00:19:01,290 --> 00:19:05,250 let's just extrapolate out like, I don't know, three years from 325 00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:09,150 now. You have, let's just say 326 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,790 Adam Curry: three months, three years from now, I don't know if 327 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:14,040 I'll be alive. You might want to tighten that up a bit. 328 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:20,280 Dave Jones: You'll be living in the living in Jamaica. But like, 329 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:24,780 Oh, I remember was gonna say about about Charleston. I 330 00:19:24,780 --> 00:19:28,080 remember why I brought that up. You said you know, you look 331 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,940 around, you're like, Oh, we could live here. We looked 332 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:33,510 around and we're like, nobody can live here for less, you 333 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:33,810 know, 334 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:35,220 Adam Curry: for less than a million dollars. 335 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:39,600 Dave Jones: Like these houses? No, no, we can't live here. But 336 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,910 anyway, like, if you if you look at three years in the field, 337 00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:45,900 let's just say there's 200 shows doing live. Well. I mean, don't 338 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:49,500 you at that point, aren't those all like, essentially, you have 339 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:53,010 radio stations at that point. I mean, you can turn the dial and 340 00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:56,040 there's a deal going on with there's probably a few shows 341 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,590 happening streaming live so that you begin to That becomes this 342 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:04,530 sort of radio like experience. Well, how about 343 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,950 Adam Curry: the idea that Moe and I have always had his 344 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:14,250 versus, like, can I have like a live vote? Do you like this 345 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:19,110 versus that? Okay, you know, click on this button to send 346 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:22,140 sets to that to that wallet or whatever. I'm not sure how it 347 00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:25,230 works. I'm just talking about, you know, to register your vote 348 00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:31,380 here being or registering. Well, versus the idea of versus is you 349 00:20:31,380 --> 00:20:36,600 got two DJs you know, DJ one, DJ two, or rapper or hip hop, 350 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,300 whatever it is, it doesn't could be country herbs, classical for 351 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:42,240 all I care. And, you know, with the, with the music stuff, that 352 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,500 we're starting to integrate live music, I mean, all of this is 353 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:51,180 totally possible. And it's all within the grasp, and people are 354 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:55,080 making money. I mean, there's real money happening here. You 355 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,190 know, there's like, hundreds of dollars a day 1000s And 1000s a 356 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:03,990 month. 10s of 1000s. This I mean, just go look at V for B 357 00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:05,040 stats.com. 358 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:09,120 Dave Jones: Yeah, Nathan says Twitch for podcasting. Yes, 359 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:12,360 good. Good analogy. There you go. No, you're good. On the 360 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,810 music side where we were. Today's show was supposed to be 361 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,800 my husband's to be Michael and Sam from wave lake for the 362 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,860 second time that got that got derailed. I mean, this is like 363 00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:26,310 dude, like the, the cursed podcast guests. But 364 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:29,670 Adam Curry: then it got worse, then it got worse, because you 365 00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:33,900 rescheduled them. And then yesterday, I had my my scan for 366 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:40,290 my teeth. And Dr. Mitch, he's like, Oh, I'm so excited. You 367 00:21:40,290 --> 00:21:48,450 got seven millimeters of bone. Bone edge, man. Yeah. He's like, 368 00:21:48,510 --> 00:21:52,200 26th of April, you're going three hours, it'll be great 369 00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:56,190 then. And by the way, also not on the brochure. After that 370 00:21:56,190 --> 00:22:00,180 three hour procedure, then three months to heal. Then I get the 371 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:03,180 teeth jacked arm. So I have, I'll still be using 372 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:07,890 Dave Jones: temporary slippers. seven millimeters of bone. 373 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,500 Adam Curry: Yeah, the group they ossified myself. 374 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:12,300 Dave Jones: That's a great show title. 375 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:14,310 Adam Curry: seven millimeters of bone 376 00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:24,660 Dave Jones: the lot like live performances and stuff. I mean, 377 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:28,440 this is all there. This is all there for the taking. So we'll 378 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,540 we'll talk about we'll talk about all that with them. But 379 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,320 that really kind of needs to your the vs thing made me think 380 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,840 about, you know, a remote. 381 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:40,860 Adam Curry: Item live. It's all in there, man. It's all in. I'm 382 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:41,790 so excited. 383 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,970 Dave Jones: Speaking of. So, you know, I've been going through 384 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:49,170 the the namespace and converting all the issues to discussions. 385 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:55,320 Which has been a it's been it's one of those things where as 386 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,580 long and tedious but it actually is. I'm really glad that that 387 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,580 I'm going through this because it helps me re read everything. 388 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:06,240 Adam Curry: And actually, whenever I see the email come 389 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,060 in, Dave Jones has converted this issue to a dense 390 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,610 discussion. I'm like, okay, click. Let's take a 391 00:23:11,610 --> 00:23:15,570 Dave Jones: look. Now wait, wait, wait, we wait. Hang on, 392 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,350 hang on. Are you saying that every please tell me that every 393 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:22,590 time I do this, people aren't getting spammed with 100 emails? 394 00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:26,340 Adam Curry: No, not 100 Just one every single time you convert an 395 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:30,000 issue to a discussion, I get an email. Every one. 396 00:23:30,090 --> 00:23:33,240 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm happy about that. Or is it only the 397 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,120 ones that you've replied to in some way? Or is it all of them? 398 00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:40,320 Adam Curry: Well, I I, I'm subscribed to the whole GitHub, 399 00:23:40,350 --> 00:23:43,650 you know, so you can subscribe to different things. I want to 400 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:47,760 see it all. Yeah, it's just our baby. I may not know how to how 401 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,690 to use GitHub, but I can read an email. I can I can click in and 402 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,240 reply to someone and say I don't agree with that. You know, 403 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:54,720 something new 404 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:56,700 Dave Jones: Eric P paces. He gets all of them, but he's 405 00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,250 watching the repo. Okay. So if you're watching the repo, you 406 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:00,210 get all those? Yeah. So 407 00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:03,480 Adam Curry: I am watching the repo. Correct. Okay. All right. 408 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Well, 409 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,890 Dave Jones: if I spend anybody with conversions, my apologies, 410 00:24:07,890 --> 00:24:07,950 I 411 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:09,870 Adam Curry: don't care. I like it. I'm cool with it. 412 00:24:10,350 --> 00:24:12,420 Dave Jones: But there's been a lot of been a lot of great 413 00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:18,330 discovery going on here. Like, let's see, where's my sheet 414 00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:22,530 here? Stuff I forgot about like, the sponsor tag. 415 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:25,380 Adam Curry: Yes, I saw this one. 416 00:24:26,610 --> 00:24:32,070 Dave Jones: And somebody Africa who wasn't me. Was it Daniel, or 417 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:35,640 no, it may have been, maybe Mitch actually. Yeah, I think it 418 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,390 was Mitch. He wanted a continuous attribute on the live 419 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,340 item. Tag. 420 00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:45,029 Adam Curry: Like oh, yes, yes. Yeah. Like it's a continuous 421 00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:45,659 stream. 422 00:24:46,199 --> 00:24:51,419 Dave Jones: Yeah. For things for for stuff like 100%. Retro, yes. 423 00:24:52,379 --> 00:24:53,489 And then 424 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:56,130 Adam Curry: that kind of makes sense as far as I'm concerned. 425 00:24:57,420 --> 00:25:00,150 Dave Jones: See, okay. Now this is this is one I mean, Well, I 426 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:02,070 guess we're going, you got anything else you wanna talk 427 00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:04,740 about? We need to do namespace talk, or do we want to know I 428 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:07,230 have something that we talk about? Yeah. Okay, go go for 429 00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:09,390 because that was about it that was about to dive into a 430 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:12,930 namespace not off the off the diving board. No, 431 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,900 Adam Curry: well, actually, this is your fault. 432 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:20,040 Dave Jones: Please. Alright, I woke up to it, whatever. Yeah, 433 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:25,350 Adam Curry: the podcast standards project launched. 434 00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:30,780 Well, that makes me explain what you're 435 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,250 Dave Jones: okay. You just like it you just like 436 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,350 Adam Curry: or not the whole thing. Now, let me get to the 437 00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:45,510 year for the podcast. And let me get to your ballpark. Because, 438 00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:51,300 okay, you know, this launch. And of course, I read the blog post, 439 00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:55,020 with all respect a little, a little flowery, a little, just 440 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,450 seemed to be different, different versions of 441 00:25:57,450 --> 00:26:03,480 explanation of what this exactly is about. And, you know, and you 442 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,950 said, Oh, listen to the buzz cast. It's a very good 443 00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:11,880 explanation. And I'll let you know, and you're my partner, 444 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520 like, Okay, I immediately stopped whatever I was doing, 445 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:16,680 measuring my bone, and I went 446 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:21,090 Dave Jones: six millimeters. So we're gonna let me 447 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:23,550 Adam Curry: listen to the podcast. This is the Buzzsprout 448 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:28,080 podcast. I know who's on that. Who's on the it's Kevin, Kevin, 449 00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:31,470 Dave Jones: Kevin, and Alvin and Jordan. Right. Okay. 450 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:36,000 Adam Curry: And so there is a very good explanation. And I'm 451 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,190 like, Oh, okay. Cuz I've heard, you know, couple of varying 452 00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:45,360 things. And then they get into analogies, which was a hilarious 453 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,290 bit, you know, and I think it was maybe album did a did 454 00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:52,290 analogy, which was, which was great. Except that doesn't work 455 00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:54,240 for women. So it was like completely completely 456 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600 misogynist. And like, Oh, dude, I knew that he was going down a 457 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,580 bad road with that. But then Kevin gave his his analogy. And 458 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:08,010 I wanted to play that because it really explained what, what 459 00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:12,420 they're trying to do with the core Protocol, or I think RSS is 460 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:15,720 a format, right? It's not really a protocol. I mean, I forget how 461 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,030 you've been asked that it doesn't matter format. Format 462 00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:20,520 doesn't even matter what you mean to answer. Did you know I 463 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,610 did, I'm sorry, no, don't answer it. It's not worth it. Because 464 00:27:23,610 --> 00:27:26,430 we get a lot of emails, or you can always boost the grandmas. 465 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:29,520 If you disagree with something. It's not important, but it's 466 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,610 this format. So I want to play that analogy from the buzz cast. 467 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,060 Here we go. 468 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,820 Unknown: Let's talk about email. So email, there has been a 469 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:38,310 standard that's been around for years and years and years, I 470 00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:40,980 really have no idea how old the email spec is, when I talk when 471 00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:44,070 we talk about email protocols. We're mostly talking about IMAP, 472 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,460 which is pretty much what runs Internet Mail. Nowadays, there 473 00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:49,290 was another one called Pop three, but they were they were 474 00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:52,080 compatible, very similar technologies. And most email 475 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,530 transfers on both of these two protocols. But for for years and 476 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:58,980 years, when email came out, it always looked the same, whether 477 00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:03,750 you're in Outlook, or Yahoo, or whatever, well, about 20 years 478 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,060 ago, Google said, We're gonna launch an email client, we're 479 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:08,580 gonna do things a little bit differently. And they organized 480 00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:10,560 your email differently. They organized it by threads. And 481 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,480 they said, instead of trading folders and putting things in 482 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,180 folders, you can just tag stuff and just archive it. And if you 483 00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,130 want to dig it up, again, your primary way to do that is going 484 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,680 to be search. This is all proprietary technology that was 485 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,010 built off of the same standard protocol. Since then, in recent 486 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,260 years, we've seen more innovation happen in email, like 487 00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:27,540 now another company came along called superhuman, and they 488 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:31,650 decided to innovate on top of people with Gmail addresses, but 489 00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,570 they're just using that way stuck on the back. 490 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:36,060 Dave Jones: superhuman, 491 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:40,080 Adam Curry: I've never heard of this shit. I don't know what 492 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,330 this is. It sounds like something I want to check out 493 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:46,230 though. It's great. Yeah. So again, it's all analogy about 494 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,280 things built on top of IMAP, there was pop three as well, but 495 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,840 by maps far superior, 496 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,910 Unknown: people with Gmail addresses, but they're just 497 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:56,520 using that same protocol in the background. They're saying, we 498 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,670 don't actually have to serve the email, let Google do that. But 499 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,150 we can improve upon Google's interface around it. So we're 500 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:05,340 leveraging a protocol that's been delivered by another 501 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:09,180 company. And we provide our own UI, again, all innovation that's 502 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,450 happening on top of a standard protocol. And then just even 503 00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:15,210 more recently than superhuman, you have Basecamp, which is now 504 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:17,220 called 37, signals to the company behind Hey, they 505 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,440 launched their own email product. And they say we're 506 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,930 gonna thread messages as well. But we have some new ideas 507 00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:23,820 around the interface, and we're going to strain stuff out, we're 508 00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:25,920 not going to let people into your inbox by default, you have 509 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,370 to get give them permission to land in your inbox. Like, again, 510 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,090 more innovation that's happening upon layers of a standard 511 00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:35,820 protocol. And that's the same thing that can happen in 512 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:39,600 podcasting. But we don't have to change the original protocols 513 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:42,870 like RSS is great. The extensions and the namespaces 514 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,750 that are built on top of them are great. So the podcast 515 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:47,490 interest project, we're not going to come out and say, Hey, 516 00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,160 we need a new namespace. It's going to be the new podcast 517 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,460 standards namespace. No, there are great namespaces that exist. 518 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,100 All we're doing is trying to figure out the best of all of 519 00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,830 them and putting them together and saying, Hey, if you're gonna 520 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:01,950 build technology in the space let's all agree to support these 521 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,980 things as table stakes, and then innovate on top of that, and 522 00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:07,950 create great experiences for on both sides for the podcast or 523 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:11,310 for the listeners, for advertisers for whatever, but 524 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,920 like we need some set of ground rules to be able to all work 525 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,760 from so that what we build works for a lot of people. I think 526 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,000 that 527 00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:20,130 Dave Jones: going forward toward we should have an ongoing 528 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,850 segment of Kevin and I try to think of different areas where 529 00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:27,060 there's I've got some, 530 00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:30,870 Adam Curry: okay, so you understand the basic idea is, 531 00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:35,370 they're not trying to recreate what podcasting 2.0 has done, or 532 00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:38,820 what, what Apple's done with the iTunes namespace, not trying to 533 00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:43,470 rewrite RSS 2.0. We're trying to create an industry group that 534 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:46,590 says, hey, this is the place you come to, if you want to know 535 00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:50,430 what kind of the baseline is, for a podcast hosting company 536 00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:53,640 for a pack, podcast client. And it's also the place you can say, 537 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400 hey, if only where could I if I've already seen them say, oh, 538 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,010 no, you wanna if you want to propose a tag over the podcast 539 00:30:59,010 --> 00:31:02,250 namespace, I like that a lot. And I'd like to give my own 540 00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:04,140 analogy. So 541 00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:06,960 Dave Jones: which I think I also have an analogy, and I will, but 542 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,400 I will do it after your analogy. 543 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,740 Adam Curry: Oh, good. Oh, no, it's the analogy show. What two 544 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:16,890 and a half, three years ago, open podcasting came under 545 00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:20,190 attack from big tech had been brewing for a while. But as one 546 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:23,550 of the creators of podcasting, I considered it my duty to defend 547 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:27,540 to protect what we ended up with Dave Winer, but you know, what 548 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:31,680 we initially created and a lot of people, a lot of stakeholders 549 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160 and open podcasting built on RSS. So Dave, you and I, we 550 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000 built a fortress, around the freedom that was created almost 551 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,400 two decades ago. Regardless, I 552 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,020 Dave Jones: like this good analysis, 553 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,460 Adam Curry: the fortress of freedom you like that? 554 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,900 Regardless of any agenda from Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Google, 555 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,990 we ensured that there will always be a free and open home 556 00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:59,010 for podcasting at podcast index.org and assure its 557 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,340 longevity by publishing the entire database, which we we 558 00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:06,660 dropped one every single week, anybody can down, anybody could 559 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:10,050 could replicate what we're doing and set up a new index. If we've 560 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:13,770 keel over. Whatever happens, we if we say, Oh, we're done when 561 00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:16,680 you don't want it anymore, anybody can do it. So that 562 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,310 fortress of freedom for podcasting and podcasting, on 563 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:24,300 that end is done. Now, we also decided to fix a problem for the 564 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,250 development of improvements, and modernization of podcasting. And 565 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:32,730 we did this. I think this was, honestly I think this is the 566 00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:38,190 genius. We did this by enabling participation in the value flow 567 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:42,630 of podcasting, by creating an incentive that allowed anybody 568 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:45,540 including application developers and service providers any to 569 00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:50,010 benefit from its success. That meant mistakenly seen by some as 570 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:54,210 crypto bro stuff, the value for value system created a simple 571 00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:57,000 and elegant way for anyone providing value to the system to 572 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,980 receive value in return. That was really a counter attack on 573 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,120 the big tech companies, who always always expect content 574 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000 creators and software developers to give up their work for free 575 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,770 or 99 cents. You know, it's not very incentivizing in the big 576 00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:18,750 tech model, to our weapons in this, you know, fight for 577 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:22,170 freedom, if you will, our software and content. And by the 578 00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:25,260 way, I don't see much difference between someone writing content 579 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:27,690 for a podcast or writing code, it's all writing, it's all 580 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:31,080 creative. It all comes out of human beings. And we put it into 581 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,530 computer one way or the other, whether it's digital audio or 582 00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:39,030 digital bits of code podcasters in their audience now today have 583 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:44,040 over 70 apps and services to choose from, that really created 584 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,030 this formidable front that consists of I think, over a half 585 00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:51,810 million modernized views of which 12,800 now are sharing 586 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:57,390 value is kind of the right number. Yep. So inch by inch tag 587 00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:01,740 by tag, we are gaining territory. And we do this by 588 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:06,540 creating podcasts enriched with new forms of content 589 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:10,140 implementing features far faster than any big tech companies 590 00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:14,520 could ever dream of. Now as with any conflict, and I think and 591 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,450 I've we I've always felt this conflict with certainly Spotify 592 00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:21,570 and to a degree Apple more recently and and YouTube and all 593 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,750 those guy conflict. So we have conflict, you need fighters on 594 00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:27,450 the front lines, that's podcasting 2.0 and the 595 00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:32,400 podcasters and their audiences using the modern ecosystem. But 596 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,630 with conflict you also need a vision of resolution no war 597 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:41,760 lasts forever. So for that we need diplomats and right on cue 598 00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:44,730 the podcast Standards Project you like it Do you like my 599 00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:45,090 analogy? 600 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:50,040 Dave Jones: I like this tourney turned so like it. 601 00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:52,980 Adam Curry: So we need the diplomats here comes podcast 602 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:56,370 standards project that was really willed into existence. 603 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,280 And I want to personally congratulate the founding 604 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,790 members for publishing this monumental task, which has been 605 00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:07,170 tried many times in the past, but they never had the fighters 606 00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:10,800 on the front line, warriors armed with scissors and gaffer 607 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:19,500 tape. I'm glad I'm making you laugh. So the product, the 608 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,330 podcast, Standards Project, its goals, as I understand them, 609 00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:29,970 will help bring peace to the open podcast ecosystem. It also 610 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,510 is critical when it comes to conflict, give big tech away 611 00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:37,320 out, not capitulation, but they can participate participation. 612 00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:43,020 So recently, the big tech podcast Industrial Complex has 613 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,410 been somewhat crippled by a cyclical soft advertising market 614 00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:49,800 and a very unattractive investment climate, imagine how 615 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,270 much value they can participate in and create if they adopt 616 00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:00,120 pieces of a namespace. Now in every society, we have military 617 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,300 and diplomats, right, it's two sides of the same coin. Now, 618 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:06,030 typically, the diplomats and politicians, they fund the 619 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:10,770 military, we are flipping that script. And to kickstart it, I 620 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,310 personally am going to add a split in every value block I 621 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:18,780 control to help fund our diplomatic front, because no 622 00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,120 one's talking about how they're going to fund what they need to 623 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,840 do. And that way, we can also avoid power struggles and 624 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,700 corruption. And if everyone who uses value for value puts a 1% 625 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,270 split for the for the project standards, for the podcast 626 00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:36,450 Standards Project, I think it will really make a difference. 627 00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:38,850 As soon as they have a wallet set up or added to all my feeds, 628 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:42,390 I'll promote it to other people to do it as well. I am now 629 00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:46,980 understanding what we have here, which is a totally different 630 00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:51,030 from the traditional world. When you have the military and you 631 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:53,460 have the diplomats on politician. I'm excited about 632 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,880 the future of pot open podcasting. I welcome our new 633 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,940 brothers in arms. I think it's gonna be fantastic. 634 00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:04,800 Dave Jones: You are proposing a is a version of like the NDA. 635 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,640 But for your defense authorization? 636 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,150 Adam Curry: Well, here's really how I was looking at it, like, 637 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,320 yes, Ukraine and Russia and along comes China. And she is 638 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,780 like, hey, that would have stopped this war. But I didn't 639 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:24,780 like the idea of calling anybody China, Ukraine or Russia. So I 640 00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:30,810 left all of that. But yeah, so but instead of the politicians 641 00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:35,940 funding the NDA and slipping in all kinds of bull crap, we 642 00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:38,730 flipped it around the people on the front line, like, Okay, 643 00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:42,690 we've we have value coming in, we're gonna pass I am I hope we 644 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:45,060 get other people to do it, I want to pass off some of that 645 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:49,500 value to the politicians who will need this, they will need 646 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,370 some kind of funding for things. It's small right now. But you 647 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,790 know, it, everyone can see it. It'll be open, it'll be clear. 648 00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:58,740 You know, it doesn't have to come. We don't have to go 649 00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:01,410 sucking off some big tech company will be able to fund 650 00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:04,500 their own little initiatives. And maybe they say, hey, hey, 651 00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:07,500 fighters, you guys got any more? We want to do something. We need 652 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,690 some more. I'll be the first one to step up. 653 00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:16,710 Dave Jones: As I see this, and I don't know, I don't know if this 654 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:20,880 is what they intended. But I think this is what they are one 655 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,980 of their missions, is not just standardization, but advocacy. 656 00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:28,110 Yes. Oh, yeah. To my understanding that right, 657 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,810 Adam Curry: I believe so. Yes, I believe so. Well, 658 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,040 Dave Jones: I was gonna give my analogy but you I mean, yours is 659 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,700 like, so over the top and blew me out of the water. I mean, 660 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,480 look, I like likes, like following Dave Chappelle. I 661 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,580 Adam Curry: can't really do this. I would very much like to 662 00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:46,380 hear your analogy. Well, I 663 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:51,720 Dave Jones: mean, my, my analogy is more along the lines of on 664 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,260 the on the email side of things, the the IMAP thing that's a good 665 00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:58,770 that's that's that's pretty good. That to me, the better. 666 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,710 The better analogy here is on the email side of things. Is 667 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:08,370 HTML email. Every marketers worst? 668 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,070 Adam Curry: Very good point. Very good point. 669 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:18,180 Dave Jones: Every there every email app supports a subset of 670 00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:24,000 HTML tags and attributes. Every one of them are different. In 671 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,900 fact, don't you literally their services that will literally pay 672 00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:31,680 to show you how your email looks different in every single app. 673 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200 Adam Curry: I believe that's even one of the first things 674 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320 they put into their into the Standards Project is how you do 675 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,870 HTML in the in the podcast feed. 676 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:45,510 Dave Jones: Yeah, so currently, currently, I wouldn't looked so 677 00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:49,170 right now if somebody wants to know how to properly format 678 00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,140 their show notes. Like if you have a, let's just say a new 679 00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,860 hosting company or a podcast or something. And they just or you 680 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:59,370 know, whoever and they just want to know okay, what is the right 681 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:05,490 way to form mesh show notes. You literally have to go. The pretty 682 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:10,020 much authoritative answer is an amalgamation of two are 683 00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:15,150 different articles on pod news. How podcast one is titled How 684 00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:18,480 podcast show notes display in podcast apps. The other one is 685 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,780 titled, How to Make Your episode notes work in all podcast 686 00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:25,290 players. I mean, James is a great guy. No, but I don't I 687 00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:26,010 mean, like, 688 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,890 Adam Curry: that's no place to go. That's not no shouldn't be 689 00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:30,030 the place to go. Right? 690 00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:34,710 Dave Jones: This is silly. I mean, there should be in like 691 00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:40,710 something just taking that analogy. How should I format my 692 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:43,980 show notes to make them display correctly? How should blink be? 693 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,910 How long should they be so that things don't get cut off? So you 694 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:53,460 take all of those things, you can design the base standard, so 695 00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:58,080 that it covers all of the different podcast apps, so that 696 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,980 the podcast apps themselves don't actually have to change? 697 00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,670 Right? You can say you can say, okay, the the podcast app, 698 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,630 there's, 699 00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:09,450 Adam Curry: the hosting companies would presumably take 700 00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:11,790 care of that. And they'd hide all the things we're talking 701 00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:13,650 about behind their UI. 702 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,280 Dave Jones: Sure, sure. But then the pup, but the published spec 703 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,220 has to be somewhere. Yes. Oh, no, it's not 704 00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:21,990 Adam Curry: anywhere. Exactly. And 705 00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:25,590 Dave Jones: it Yeah, no, go. Yeah. And it, we'll see what 706 00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:29,610 else it like. So you could say and I think this is, I think 707 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:34,770 this is important to the podcast Standards Project. Ethos, is 708 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,280 let's just say that in this is actually the case. But let's say 709 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,570 that you have, you know, 10 different podcast apps, and 710 00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,790 three of them support up to 4000 characters in the show notes. 711 00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:52,950 Five of them support up to 3200, blah, blah, blah. So what you do 712 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:57,030 is you just take the one, that's the that's the lowest. And you 713 00:41:57,030 --> 00:42:00,750 build your standard around that. That covers Everybody see what 714 00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:04,740 I'm saying? Yeah, you're doing it in such a way to where the 715 00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:08,580 pot the standard is, you only have it this long, because then 716 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,280 Adam Curry: no one works for everybody. No one has to change 717 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,260 anything. Exactly. Right. So 718 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,210 Dave Jones: I think I think that I guess what I'm trying to say 719 00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:18,990 is that I think that the podcast, Anders project, can 720 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:24,480 design a whole bunch of out of the box, sort of standard doc 721 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,590 standardize document 722 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:27,720 Adam Curry: that are good to go. If you take if you take that 723 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,690 that. Yeah, and the most common, 724 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,880 Dave Jones: and they don't end up. They don't end up say, 725 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,400 arguing the industry arguing Well, or saying, Hey, you 726 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,620 podcast that developer, you got to go change your craft to 727 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,060 adhere to our stand. Right. 728 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,620 Adam Curry: Right. Exactly. 729 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:48,360 Dave Jones: He's important. Good point. 730 00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:49,260 Adam Curry: Good point, 731 00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:51,480 Dave Jones: because we already told her heard Marcos, they I 732 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,040 don't want people telling me what to do. Yeah. 733 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:58,380 Adam Curry: So anyway, so I'm this, now that I understand 734 00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:03,090 from, you know, from the bus, and I think, I don't want to say 735 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,280 I know it, everyone's worked on this. Look, for over a decade, 736 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:13,830 this has been tried and beat and just always kind of resulted in 737 00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:16,440 the same thing. And that's because they didn't have 738 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,900 fighters in the form on the front line. And we just went out 739 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,090 said, Okay, we're gonna go kick some ass over here. And we're 740 00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:24,960 doing this, and we're building our own our own apps, and we're 741 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,800 gonna do what we want to do. And now it's perfect time to have to 742 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,140 have this come in. And then hopefully, remember, content is 743 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:37,770 is the most powerful weapon we have, if you have an entire 744 00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:41,850 collection, which we already do. But let's expand that even more 745 00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:46,830 of the hosting companies and apps that are producing content. 746 00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,070 And that is, ultimately, let's make no mistake, the goal has 747 00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:54,210 always been for people to say, Hey, Apple, Spotify, can you 748 00:43:54,210 --> 00:44:00,060 want to play nice, that's always been the goal. So there's now a 749 00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:02,580 standardized way to say, here's what you should do and look at 750 00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,270 all this content. You're crazy, because, okay, it's 1% now, 751 00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:12,360 well, maybe 2%. But for some shows, you know, 10% like, no 752 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,850 agenda has 10% of the listeners on apps is pod verse. That's 753 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:23,880 pretty big. Yeah. Considering the size of the show. So is it 754 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,680 that high? No. But yeah, Spurlock sent me that grace from 755 00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:32,160 another another great thing, you know, we have real numbers that 756 00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:37,380 at least we all have the same number. Like, it doesn't matter 757 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:40,470 how accurate it is necessarily, but we have the same number and 758 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,280 we can all look at it on an equal basis. This is this is 759 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,510 truly beautiful, and I only want to contribute to making it work. 760 00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:53,160 And I'm quite sure that that we can there's always going to be 761 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,220 bumps and hurdles and stuff like that. And nothing changes for 762 00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,370 us. We keep running with scissors and doing our thing. I 763 00:44:59,370 --> 00:45:03,960 mean, we're already reading verses in our head. And that 764 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,040 will happen but I also truly think, you know, I had a chat 765 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,150 with Steve Leeds. He has a remind me who that is. Steve 766 00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:15,510 Leeds is actually the guy who called me when I was in Holland 767 00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:20,280 in 1986 and said, Hey, Steve leaves a want to come work for 768 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,810 MTV. I said in New York, he said, Yeah, yeah, okay. Sure. 769 00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:31,020 And, and I was like, four months later, I was in Manhattan, and I 770 00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,530 was getting ready to do MTV, which I was there for seven, 771 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,820 seven years. Steve isn't has been in the music business for 772 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:43,860 all of us. He's now in his early 70s. And Steve, he goes, he was 773 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:46,800 the a&r guy for Led Zeppelin. If that gives you a little bit of 774 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,180 an idea how far back Steve goes. And he has these contacts. Steve 775 00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:55,320 is the guy to be say, Steve, this old colleague of mine, 776 00:45:56,010 --> 00:46:01,290 Julia, she's in Ireland and she really would love to see if she 777 00:46:01,290 --> 00:46:03,780 can you know, it's been hard for her to get tickets to see you to 778 00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:06,600 shoot a huge YouTube fan. Can you hook her up anyway she's 779 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480 willing to pay for and what happens and as Steve puts in the 780 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,870 call, she doesn't get tickets now. She gets the full on come 781 00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:16,110 to the office, which is a huge warehouse they have in Dublin 782 00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:20,880 gets to see all the sets for the what was the youth the TV tour, 783 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,270 whatever that one was, yeah, this new TV takes us through 784 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,570 ever. You get to meet everybody gets free tickets, backstage 785 00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:31,560 passes gets shuttled with a limo. That's what's that Steve 786 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,010 leads is connections that's directly from the guy the 787 00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:43,860 manager. And he was at Sirius XM for the past 18 years. He built 788 00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:50,190 a huge talent artists relationship. department within 789 00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:55,140 Sirius XM. Just like everybody else, Sirius XM was firing 790 00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,500 people. Hey, is an old white guy. Let's get rid of him. So 791 00:46:59,130 --> 00:47:04,380 Steve gets canned. And, and it's interesting because I get a call 792 00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:12,840 from him from a command. What's his name? The bird. I got a call 793 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,690 from a bird. Roger McQuinn. Roger McQueen calls me Do you 794 00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:19,410 know the birds? 795 00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:21,300 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 796 00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:25,470 Adam Curry: The guy with the you know, who had the extra string 797 00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:30,210 on his guitar? With a seven string guitar. Nice. Crazy. So 798 00:47:30,210 --> 00:47:33,600 McGuane calls me says dude, Steve got got cans of serious. 799 00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,590 Oh, shoot. I'm gonna give him a call. So I call and Steve's 800 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:41,160 fine. It actually his wife passed away a year ago. 801 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:46,800 Horrible. Ms. Like a horrible lengthy says. But he's but no, 802 00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:51,360 actually two years ago. But he's had a girlfriend now she's age 803 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,600 appropriate. She's 66 You know, the going down to the shore. 804 00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:59,640 He's happy has he has money. But enough, but he's a guy who needs 805 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,280 to work. You know, he's like this guy. You know, he can't 806 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,110 just sit on his ass. He's not not dead. 807 00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:08,160 Dave Jones: Fully. Age appropriate girlfriend. Yeah, 808 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,150 that's that's important. 809 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,650 Adam Curry: Of course. And so. And I'm talking he's like, and 810 00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:17,640 he's like, No, I just, I can't really bring myself the music 811 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,510 business is so broken. It's so messed up. Mr. Steve, let me 812 00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:24,030 tell you what we're doing. So I'm telling this stuff. He's 813 00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:28,860 like, Oh, holy crap. And then he starts telling me about the 814 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:34,260 business. He's like, it is so broken. He says Spotify will 815 00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:39,750 never ever, ever make any money. The way the fees are structured 816 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:43,440 with the record companies. They'll never even break even. 817 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,580 It's impossible. That's why they went all in on podcasting. And 818 00:48:47,580 --> 00:48:51,000 he said to be to his credit, he said, you know, Sirius XM or 819 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,320 iHeart? Whoever was they? They bought like Tim Coco. He says, 820 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,730 yes, your wolf or whatever, faster spent, like $75 million 821 00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:02,040 for like repeats. He says, Who gives a shit? 822 00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:04,710 Dave Jones: That's bad. 823 00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:06,300 Adam Curry: He says, Who gives a shit about all that stuff? 824 00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,460 Because I don't know. I don't know where the value is. I don't 825 00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:12,360 get it. And so we're talking about this. I'm like, you know, 826 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,090 what an awkward and it's I'm trying to pull them over. I'm 827 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,090 like, Dude, can you maybe this is something that you can help 828 00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:22,800 bands with it because he knows everybody, everything even you 829 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,280 know, especially radio. I mean, he knows radio really well. But 830 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,650 he knows everybody in everything. He knows where all 831 00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:31,620 that just he knows where all the buried. The bodies are buried, 832 00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:34,080 but knows all the opportunities. I'm trying to get him to be a 833 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,010 consultant or something to work with. Yeah, with 2.0 bands, you 834 00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:40,830 know? So I sent them a whole bunch of links, and I'll follow 835 00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:43,500 up with them. But it was really interesting to hear that this 836 00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,500 guy who knows everybody in the industry doesn't even want to do 837 00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,420 anything in the industry that he comes from. He says so shit. And 838 00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:55,020 it's just it's broken. But he got really excited about what 839 00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,590 we're doing and how it would work. So I'm just putting that 840 00:49:58,590 --> 00:50:01,080 out there and then you know in No two years, we'll have our 841 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,180 interview with the WaveLight guys, and we'll be able to talk 842 00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:03,390 about 843 00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:09,420 Dave Jones: the, I don't know if you've noticed this kind of out 844 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,870 of subscribe to, in my free micellar I just grab this 845 00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:17,610 subscribe to, I don't know, some music, business thing, music, 846 00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:20,970 business feed or whatever. And it's just now it's become just 847 00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:25,020 this, the music industry has now become like a trading desk, of 848 00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:30,900 all of the like, like there's no really great powerful music 849 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,950 coming out anymore. It's timeless. Everything is just a 850 00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:38,640 product of it's sort of very quick and 851 00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:42,930 Adam Curry: most format life has become really fought the hips 852 00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:45,540 have become very formatted the Writing teams, you know, they're 853 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:49,170 all from Sweden, they all come in with seven writers, you know, 854 00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:52,500 it's like it's all split up. And then it just goes into the big 855 00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,160 bad void. I think personally, I've dealt with BMI but ASCAP, 856 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,960 BMI, or big black boxes, you know, you you your stuff gets 857 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,280 sold and play or played in that case. You know, 48 months later, 858 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,920 a penny drops out, you know, where's the rest? You got to 859 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,080 always Sue everybody. You know? 860 00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:13,770 Dave Jones: MPP says, Oh, it all feels disposable. Yeah, it feels 861 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:17,910 totally dispensing you take that again, you know, I was were 862 00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:21,330 talking to him before the show. Listen to some tunes. And I was 863 00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,140 talking about Jerry Reed. And like, I can say this about Jerry 864 00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:31,260 Reed, that guy can eat the frets off a guitar. I mean, like, 865 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,800 like, I mean, he can just tear up a guitar. And I'm like, you 866 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,010 can't really say that about people today. Like those kinds 867 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:44,970 of phrases. The musical, the music is not timeless, but you 868 00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:50,970 do have this timeless that you have a catalogue of timeless 869 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:56,640 music that has character. And it has and it's powerful. And so 870 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,300 what the music business is seems to be doing now is they have 871 00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,620 their disposable Tiktok tunes. And then they have this, these 872 00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:07,980 various catalogs of old music that people actually go back and 873 00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:12,330 listen to all the time. And they in is become sort of just a 874 00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,600 trading desk where they just got rights from each other. Right? 875 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,200 Yes. 876 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:19,740 Adam Curry: So the rights here, so the rights there, you also 877 00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:22,740 sell the rights to tick tock sell the rights to YouTube. So 878 00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:27,180 you know, and the artists, the smart ones who've been around 879 00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:30,900 long enough, but here's my $20 million payday, I'm gonna sell 880 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,510 my catalog the whole thing, you go and market it and hoard out 881 00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:34,290 whoever you want. 882 00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:37,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, but it's like, it's like the office. It's like 883 00:52:37,830 --> 00:52:40,110 that show the office. Everybody just keeps trading that thing 884 00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:44,910 around and whoever's the most recent buyer of the REITs and it 885 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:50,070 just makes me think that that's it. That's all it is. Now, we 886 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:54,030 there's no fixing it until you put it back in the hands of the 887 00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:54,480 people. 888 00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:57,180 Adam Curry: Well, we needed a new way of packaging a new way 889 00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:01,230 of selling something that's outside of the model. Just like 890 00:53:01,230 --> 00:53:03,930 podcasting, which you know, radio went through the same, the 891 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:08,430 same cycle, I mean, radio has become completely homogenized. 892 00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,140 It's 20 minutes of commercials per hour. It all comes out of 893 00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:17,760 Gillette or some of these other playout systems DJs are just I 894 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,200 mean, shoot, we got the chat GPT DJs eventually in Oh, that's 895 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,010 cheaper. Just shut up. Read the liner card. I mean, I come from 896 00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:29,850 a place where I used to pick the songs I think about my show Oh, 897 00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:31,680 it's just kind of weather today I'm gonna play bill where 898 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,720 there's lovely day, you know, or whatever. That is all gone long, 899 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:40,770 long, long gone. And podcasting has brought that back now 900 00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:45,090 because of the licensing regime that we've always had. You know, 901 00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,510 I technically I legally cannot play bill with this lovely day 902 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,410 on the podcast for a whole bunch of reasons and please don't 903 00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:55,920 convince me otherwise not true. You can if you have a radio 904 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680 station you'd have a stream I mean there's they made it so the 905 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,130 old guy the old guard could still could still use the 906 00:54:02,130 --> 00:54:06,120 internet in that in that way. But I want to play you know 907 00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:09,570 stuff I want to play something from wave like I want to play it 908 00:54:09,570 --> 00:54:11,820 all from waves I want to play from SoundCloud I want to play 909 00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:15,360 it from from a dystopia I want I want to do interviews I want to 910 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,240 make sure that they when they come on my show that the remote 911 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,230 item gets the whole band and everyone paid with splits and I 912 00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:24,630 want it offline over the place and I want people I want to do 913 00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:32,700 it live we do live you know i i hunkered for that. And I know 914 00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:38,040 that we can recreate this whole business overnight, particularly 915 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,300 with the lit stuff. I can I can smell it almost 916 00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:48,120 Dave Jones: as this is a good quote. You posted that Vanity 917 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:53,610 Fair article. Pretty good. dumb money is gone. 918 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,250 Adam Curry: Yeah, it got some point some valid pushback. 919 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,710 Actually it was I think Spurlock made me laugh the loudest. So 920 00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:09,810 the title of the article in Vanity Fair is on a second. The 921 00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:14,880 title is the dumb money is gone is the podcast boom going bust. 922 00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:19,890 And Spurlock replies, the dumb money isn't truly gone until 923 00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:25,890 Vanity Fair stops writing above average good. That was pretty 924 00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:26,370 good. 925 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:30,900 Dave Jones: Okay, that's a good point. By the end of that 926 00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:36,810 article, I thought it was I thought it was was good and 927 00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:42,750 depressing at the same time. He says, I want to see I think, I 928 00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:47,520 wanted Heidegger's had Heidegger, I had decanters, I 929 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,070 don't know how to pronounce his name. I wanted his thoughts as 930 00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:52,920 someone who had just launched a podcast company at the very 931 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,260 moment, when it's starting to feel like maybe the party's 932 00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:59,220 over. Quote, I think it's bleak right now for a lot of people in 933 00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:02,940 podcasting, podcasting, he said, and it's really unfortunate that 934 00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:06,300 so many people have lost their jobs. But at the same time, 935 00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:09,450 there were a lot of, there was a lot of commissioning of mediocre 936 00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:13,110 content, in places have really been reluctant, reluctant to cut 937 00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:17,610 things. I do think that two years from now, the advertising 938 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,450 is advertising is going to come in, and they're going to be 939 00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:26,580 better ways to target audiences, the companies that can build in 940 00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:31,320 these two years will be will be successful in the end. Right? I 941 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:38,820 think that is the most delusional thing. Well, there's 942 00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:41,940 gonna be two, it's like, the advertising is gonna come back 943 00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,840 in two years. And in that time, and by then we will have better 944 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,980 ways to target people. No, you won't. All the ways to target 945 00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:52,770 people that exist have been pretty already exists, 946 00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:55,650 Adam Curry: pretty much been been hollowed out all the way. 947 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,230 Dave Jones: You can't, it's you can't conceive of a way to 948 00:57:01,230 --> 00:57:05,070 target people that doesn't already exist, right? But, 949 00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:09,960 Adam Curry: but also, it doesn't fix the core problem. The value 950 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,950 flow, everyone has to benefit. You can't We can't go back and 951 00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:18,150 say, All right, podcasts have the right, you've got money. 952 00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:21,990 Again, we've got ads running, but no one else in the system 953 00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:27,330 gets some of that value. And I want to really, we need 954 00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:30,210 marketing and advertising in our life. No doubt about it. You 955 00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:34,140 need to be able to find out about products and services. But 956 00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:39,930 that homogenized system of veils and filling slots is boring is 957 00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:43,860 boring to me. I think it's boring, the audience's I hear 958 00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:46,620 people complaining about it. People tune it out. They try to 959 00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:53,370 ignore it, I think in show you know, kind of like endorse 960 00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:57,000 endorsements, paid endorsements is fine as appropriate. I love 961 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,690 bridesmaids magazine, because you get great ads in there for 962 00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:05,010 wedding dresses for DJs for venues. That makes total sense. 963 00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:14,280 Did you just crumble up $100 bill out of a barn. So there's 964 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,020 plenty of things to do. But I think the timeline two years is 965 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,270 probably appropriate. But it's not going to be what they're 966 00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:25,350 thinking. I think I think this is our moment. This is where we 967 00:58:25,350 --> 00:58:32,340 strike. This is where we go all in. And especially with new 968 00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:37,980 music will really, really really make a big difference. 969 00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:43,470 Dave Jones: Yeah, and we have been working on I've been 970 00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:49,920 talking to Alex a little bit privately, about, about what to 971 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:57,330 do with channels. And we just we discussed OPML versus RSS, 972 00:58:57,750 --> 00:59:00,870 primarily around how it's gonna relate to pod pink. But by the 973 00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,800 way, pod ping dystopias coming on board with POD ping, nice. 974 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,560 We've got you know, red circle came on board with POD pain. We 975 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,690 have another host that I was asked not to talk about this a 976 00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:17,820 large host is going to come on pod being I think he's just 977 00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:21,390 because they want to do their own press release and stuff. So 978 00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:27,690 I mean, pod pod ping is becoming a it's it is widely adopted now 979 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,890 that I think I think it's fair to say that it is becoming 980 00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:36,990 widely adopted. Yeah. Completely. Yeah. So that that 981 00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:44,550 having that as a resource, this messaging system for events 982 00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:51,060 within podcasting is so nice. So my quit at some odd you know, 983 00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:57,300 questioning to, to Alex was, you know, how, what do we what 984 00:59:57,300 --> 01:00:01,140 should we do? Should we do RSS or do OPML for for or for 985 01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:05,970 channels. And because, you know, this directly relates to music 986 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:07,920 in law, I mean, lots of stuff and because you know, your 987 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,280 channel can be, you know, for a particular artist or whatever. 988 01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:15,900 And he was like, Well, you know, if we're gonna pod ping this, it 989 01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:21,630 really has to be RSS, because we don't have, we don't have a 990 01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:27,870 mechanism within pod paying to denote different MIME types. 991 01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:31,170 Basically, everything. Everything is a default 992 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:37,080 assumption of application RSS, right? And if we're going to be 993 01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:40,800 putting in something else, it's just a OPML, JSON, whatever, it 994 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,800 really has to be a you have to have some way to tell people, 995 01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:46,920 this thing that you're about to consume is this type of thing. 996 01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:48,840 And so 997 01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:51,960 Adam Curry: well, you know, we need I'll just say it right now. 998 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:59,730 We need an MPSP. Music podcasting Standards Project. 999 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,260 I'm not kidding. I'm not gonna you need, you need the same 1000 01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,470 thing. And it actually solves a lot of problems. Because it's 1001 01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:07,800 very 1002 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,460 Dave Jones: serious. 1003 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,470 Adam Curry: I'm very serious. Thanks for thinking I'm always i 1004 01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:13,770 That's 1005 01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:17,250 Dave Jones: a no, no, no, no, you said, I mean, like podcast, 1006 01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:19,980 podcast, Anders project, and then a music podcast. And 1007 01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:23,520 Adam Curry: the reason they can be part of the, you know, it's a 1008 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,780 subgroup or whatever it is, but instead of having to explain to 1009 01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:31,620 people how you shoehorn music into the podcast, namespace, 1010 01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:34,950 etc. Yeah, you just have a group that says, Oh, you're a 1011 01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:39,000 musician. Here's how you do it. Here's how it works. Here's the 1012 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,760 minimum that you're a hosting company that wants to you you 1013 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,290 have a music community. Here's what you need to do here. And by 1014 01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:49,830 the way, that should be the wavelength guys and and, and 1015 01:01:49,830 --> 01:01:53,940 dystopia, etc. And maybe get SoundCloud if you're lucky. It's 1016 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:56,700 the same thing. And that will actually make it a lot easier 1017 01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:00,360 than having to explain, re explain everything. Do you know 1018 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:00,900 what I mean? 1019 01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:03,540 Dave Jones: Yeah, and I didn't know what you mean. Because 1020 01:02:03,570 --> 01:02:07,290 yeah, that's a good point. Because you have sort of the 1021 01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:12,690 podcast, let's just say, you know, Kevin and Tom and Todd 1022 01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:18,390 and, and Mike Caden and AKs guys and transistor and all these 1023 01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:23,250 these hosting companies, they're their podcast no focused she 1024 01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:26,340 really Debbie they I don't know that they have the bandwidth or 1025 01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,710 the or the will but I fight and 1026 01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:32,490 Adam Curry: nominate, nominate Steven b No, he's he he 1027 01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:35,460 understands already he's weighed in you know put blueberry in 1028 01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:40,560 there and and who all who was put off put some music guys in 1029 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,340 there. You need to obfuscate all the all the all the technical 1030 01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:48,090 stuff push that day and then and those in those two groups 1031 01:02:48,090 --> 01:02:51,060 coordinate and we just keep running with scissors and 1032 01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:52,620 creating cool shit that works 1033 01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:55,830 Dave Jones: well they could if if a podcast standards 1034 01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:58,860 subcommittee 1035 01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:02,100 Adam Curry: steering committee 1036 01:03:06,810 --> 01:03:09,660 Dave Jones: the steering committee if the steering is the 1037 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:15,120 podcast music standard steering committee wants to you know form 1038 01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:20,040 this this document this is okay for a track is this yes a 1039 01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:23,850 channel is here's here's how you do it. Yeah, well then that 1040 01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:27,030 could be that could be something that the podcast standard 1041 01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:33,150 project could adopt. Yeah. As a as a proposal as or as you know 1042 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,350 a here but how about this? I will give a will I will donate 1043 01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:41,610 to the podcast Android project the pimp denomination system 1044 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,520 Whoa that we never actually use 1045 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,770 Adam Curry: know that fully formed easy to give away. 1046 01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:52,080 Dave Jones: Yes. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So we will give we 1047 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,180 will officially give the podcaster Android project if 1048 01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:56,010 they want it we will give them pimps. 1049 01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:02,220 Adam Curry: Perfect. That is very excited. We have all the 1050 01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:06,270 pieces we really we have so many piece Abel Kirby put him make. 1051 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,650 And by the way, we need to somewhere in here in we are for 1052 01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:13,680 the lit crew, which is which is eventually going to be a part of 1053 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,960 the podcast Standards Project. I'm sure you know, we need the 1054 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,100 IRC wizards. You know, look at it, look at all this great 1055 01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,580 stuff. I mean, I personally think every hosting company 1056 01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:31,770 should have their own IRC lip server, with ISO bot and all 1057 01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:34,950 these crazy things. I mean, it's amazing what they've got going 1058 01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:38,340 on, you know, the boost bot. This these are all super 1059 01:04:38,340 --> 01:04:42,300 enhancements that make the lip stuff just saying 1060 01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:47,970 Dave Jones: that hit the hit the nail we get a decent namespace 1061 01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:49,110 target to hit the thing. 1062 01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:51,450 Adam Curry: I'll be hitting the thing. 1063 01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:57,990 Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talk. 1064 01:04:57,990 --> 01:05:00,360 Adam Curry: By the way, we have a you have a note on pod Casting 1065 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,840 next on social from Notre Dame Jennifer of the pimp DB who says 1066 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:10,440 no. You were here shaking my head. 1067 01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:15,869 Dave Jones: Oh, is that what SMH means? Yes. Okay. I've never 1068 01:05:15,869 --> 01:05:22,589 know what that means. Yeah. I'm sorry. Damn, Jennifer. I deserve 1069 01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:23,789 every bit of that scorn 1070 01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:25,500 Adam Curry: kind of. Yeah. 1071 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,880 Dave Jones: The I forgot why hidden while I wanted you 1072 01:05:30,569 --> 01:05:32,579 Adam Curry: to talk about the namespace we were talking about, 1073 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,389 about the IRC, or the Bruce bot. 1074 01:05:36,990 --> 01:05:42,870 Dave Jones: Yeah, but I had a specific one. I can't remember 1075 01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:45,990 what it was. Well, I've got I've got others back. Man. I can't 1076 01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:46,560 believe I dropped. 1077 01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:48,900 Adam Curry: Oh, hold on. Let me I'm gonna prove you are 1078 01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:53,490 remembering you are remembering you are remembering you are 1079 01:05:53,490 --> 01:05:59,910 Dave Jones: because I closed a task. Oh, I remember. Okay, 1080 01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:06,240 okay. The closed some. I'm trying to be very careful about 1081 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,440 closing issues because last time the first time I closed an 1082 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,050 issue, the French got furious. 1083 01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:16,560 Adam Curry: You started off riots in Paris. 1084 01:06:16,919 --> 01:06:21,239 Dave Jones: Yeah, guillotines, security came out. Yeah, yes. As 1085 01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:25,409 Benjamin Bellamy said, I do not. I said I quote, I closed the 1086 01:06:25,409 --> 01:06:28,979 issue. And I said, I'm closing this is it looks like this is 1087 01:06:28,979 --> 01:06:34,349 resolved now. Posted says this is not resolved. I was like, 1088 01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:37,860 Adam Curry: okay, with americanas is not reserved? 1089 01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:41,580 Dave Jones: No, it was a clearly not resolved. So I've been 1090 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:47,160 trying to be very judicious about closing issues as they get 1091 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:54,180 moved. So I've only closed a few. But the the one I did today 1092 01:06:56,130 --> 01:07:02,040 was about chat. And so Steven B had a long time ago. You know, 1093 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,570 he came up with this idea of 1094 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,760 Adam Curry: I saw this quote this closed issue, by the way. 1095 01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:07,890 And I went in to look at it to understand what you had done. 1096 01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:09,150 Yes, I got it. Go ahead. 1097 01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:12,570 Dave Jones: Yeah, so like that. That's where this idea of a chat 1098 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:18,840 attribute on the live item tag came from? Haha. And so that 1099 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,690 that's like, you know, it's always it's always been, it 1100 01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:28,020 serves this purpose, but only but it's only to open up a web 1101 01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:31,290 UI. Because you have no, you have no idea what this thing is. 1102 01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:36,750 I mean, this chat URL could be, it could be anything. So we 1103 01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:41,190 really need a formalized way to do chat. And I think it's 1104 01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:45,900 probably time to start building that. So this part, you know, a 1105 01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:51,000 podcast, colon chat, tag, what like it needs to be, it needs to 1106 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,220 be in the mix. So that it can specify the protocols, I think, 1107 01:07:56,940 --> 01:08:03,690 most you know, it would need for they would need to be an IRC. 1108 01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:09,660 There need to be an IRC definition in there, just 1109 01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:13,920 because so many podcasts already use IRC as their main thing. But 1110 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,300 as far as a new, you know, a new thing going forward XMPP makes 1111 01:08:18,330 --> 01:08:23,880 probably the most sense as a chat protocol. So think like, I 1112 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,190 think it's time that so what I did was I closed that issue 1113 01:08:26,190 --> 01:08:30,690 today. So that week two, and made a note to myself to 1114 01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:37,650 propose, like get give a first crack at a at a chat, nice tag, 1115 01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:40,050 and it will be modeled after the social interact. 1116 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:42,510 Adam Curry: Right? Yeah, that's what I saw you put in there. 1117 01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:42,810 Yeah. 1118 01:08:43,559 --> 01:08:45,509 Dave Jones: Yeah. Because I mean, this social interact is a 1119 01:08:45,509 --> 01:08:49,439 great is an elegant solution. It, you know, you define the 1120 01:08:50,129 --> 01:08:53,249 define some key attributes and the protocol that you know, what 1121 01:08:53,249 --> 01:08:56,219 protocol is going to be and you're good. I mean, it's very, 1122 01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:59,399 it's very simple, elegant way to do it. Nothing, that it just 1123 01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,489 makes sense to have that as chat as well. And then, and then we 1124 01:09:02,489 --> 01:09:09,389 can tag on, you know, things on top of that, for stuff like live 1125 01:09:09,389 --> 01:09:12,659 chat replay, you know, like the time timestamping and that 1126 01:09:12,659 --> 01:09:16,649 kinda, yeah, you know, and that doesn't need to be necessarily 1127 01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:21,509 in the spec, like you, you know, that shouldn't be in any way 1128 01:09:21,539 --> 01:09:25,649 trying to be required, because that that can just be up to each 1129 01:09:25,649 --> 01:09:28,049 individual implementation of whether you want to do something 1130 01:09:28,049 --> 01:09:32,069 like that. But it can be done when you have something like 1131 01:09:32,069 --> 01:09:35,519 XMPP you've got those attributes in there that you can pull from 1132 01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:41,250 Adam Curry: me I just like the fact that we're doing a chat app 1133 01:09:41,250 --> 01:09:43,740 just as perfect. As perfect. Yeah. 1134 01:09:44,190 --> 01:09:47,520 Dave Jones: Yeah, there's, I mean, in a perfect world, you 1135 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,640 would you would say, you know, hey, IRC is not is not it's not 1136 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,030 great for lots of reasons. And so you would go for with a new 1137 01:09:57,030 --> 01:10:00,870 one, but I'm not I don't know if we can because there's just 1138 01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:04,500 going to leave so many existing stuff behind. So I think we're 1139 01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:09,120 gonna have to support both. But but that's what the that's what 1140 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:15,660 the discussion is for. Yes. What's the where's my Oh, yeah, 1141 01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:21,180 here it is. The other thing that came up and I had sort of had 1142 01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:23,010 forgotten about this 1143 01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:33,900 about not sending boosts boost messages to certain parties in 1144 01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:34,980 the feast Blitz. 1145 01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:37,140 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, I'm very opinionated about that. 1146 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,850 Dave Jones: Okay, so let me lay it out. So the idea there is 1147 01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:50,730 you, you have a bunch of people on your splits. And some of 1148 01:10:50,730 --> 01:10:57,180 them, specifically the fee based providers as just just them off 1149 01:10:57,180 --> 01:11:03,480 the top. You say, Okay, well, I'm paying for this service. I 1150 01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:08,370 don't want a do or do not want them to see the booster gram 1151 01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:12,450 messages. And so you there would be an Andrew and additional 1152 01:11:12,450 --> 01:11:16,800 attribute on the value recipient tag added. The by default, 1153 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,260 everybody gets the message, but then you could add on an 1154 01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,130 attribute that says, you know, something like, No, you know, 1155 01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:27,570 booster gram equals no, or whatever message equals no. And 1156 01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:32,520 to say, Okay, this, I don't, I don't want the message being 1157 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,690 included in this specific split. So what is your opinion? 1158 01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,670 Adam Curry: Well, obviously, if the default is everybody gets a 1159 01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:45,630 message. I'm okay with it. I think it's a very small set of 1160 01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:49,440 people who who think that's important. I have reversed my 1161 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,160 opinion, I'm open to change. I thought this all of this that 1162 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,610 fountain was doing initially, with the booster grams kind of 1163 01:11:56,610 --> 01:11:59,580 showing up a bit like comments. I thought that was bad. I 1164 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:04,050 thought it would hurt us. I completely was wrong. I repent. 1165 01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:12,180 It is one of the most exciting features. And no one no one that 1166 01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:16,710 I see interacting on fountain certainly seems to have any 1167 01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:20,610 inkling that this is a private message. I don't think I've ever 1168 01:12:20,610 --> 01:12:23,250 received a message that was so private that I would be 1169 01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:26,610 embarrassed, I wouldn't want anyone to use it. So for me, we 1170 01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:28,950 can put it in. But I think it's overkill. I don't think anyone 1171 01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:32,520 to use it. In fact, I think it's much more exciting to allow 1172 01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:38,490 precisely the apps to be able to see it because I think the app 1173 01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:43,410 should be used. I want the app developers to use my booster 1174 01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:48,420 grams in any way they see fit. I want them I want them to create 1175 01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:53,160 leaderboards and scrolling messages. And you know, I've 1176 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:58,320 really because of the the study I've done of tick tock with 1177 01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,130 what's going on with the you know, with the legislation and 1178 01:13:02,190 --> 01:13:05,190 just in general, I've really analyze what's going on. I even 1179 01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:08,700 loaded it for a bit on my phone. I did delete it, because it's so 1180 01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:09,270 addictive. 1181 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,900 Dave Jones: But you put tick tock on your phone. Oh, I 1182 01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:14,790 Adam Curry: did. I was dangerous. Well, it's graphene 1183 01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:20,310 OS and it's kind of sandbox. But as it came to tools, if we 1184 01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:22,170 talked about this two week, probably didn't talk about two 1185 01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:26,400 weeks ago. So I was just looking at the tools that tick this is 1186 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,430 why I think tick tock is kicking everybody's ass besides the fact 1187 01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:32,880 that they, their algorithm seems to be Hey, I'm gonna put 1188 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,120 everybody who loves each other over here because they all agree 1189 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,020 on one thing. And I know this because I went viral. I went 1190 01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:43,260 viral was two topics one about tick tock itself, I'm gonna 1191 01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:46,170 ignore that. The other one about my faith journey, which I talked 1192 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:47,550 about on Joe Rogan. 1193 01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:51,930 Dave Jones: And he went you went viral on tick, I went super 1194 01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:56,460 Adam Curry: viral. I'm talking eight 900,000 views 1000s of 1195 01:13:56,460 --> 01:14:01,260 comments also on YouTube. Millions of views on YouTube. 1196 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,720 What's the difference? On tick tock. They suppress dissent. 1197 01:14:07,650 --> 01:14:10,680 It's like everyone's just like oh great, brother. I love it. 1198 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,160 God is good, you know, or whatever. You can't imagine how 1199 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,670 great the this These comments were. No one's pushing back. 1200 01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:20,430 It's all fan fabulous. Can't wait, you know, all the things 1201 01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:24,780 you would want to hear on YouTube. On YouTube. It's like 1202 01:14:24,780 --> 01:14:30,360 the amplify a man it's a hoax. God is not real. You of course, 1203 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,360 because the American media model is strife and divisive pneus and 1204 01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:40,650 outrage. That is the model. It works for social media. It works 1205 01:14:40,650 --> 01:14:45,090 for politicians. It goes straight through to mainstream 1206 01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:48,510 media, that everyone's yelling at the news and you know, the 1207 01:14:48,510 --> 01:14:53,190 most recent thing is, oh, trans versus Christians, you know, and 1208 01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,710 AWS, you can see it everywhere and we're just fighting over 1209 01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:58,890 this instead of, you know, everyone's going to their corner 1210 01:14:58,890 --> 01:15:02,250 and everyone's gonna have their opinion, but when algorithms 1211 01:15:02,610 --> 01:15:07,140 purposefully make people fight, that's where the money is made 1212 01:15:07,140 --> 01:15:10,470 in the American media model and what a tick tock do by the way, 1213 01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:15,330 it is a very Chinese thing. No, no, Paul, you people over here, 1214 01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:18,030 but you can go to tick tock, you can get all the blue haired 1215 01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:21,180 purple hair, you can get all kinds of people. And, and I 1216 01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:25,020 learned this because I saw messages of people saying, you 1217 01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:28,140 know, the reason they don't want Tik Tok is because that's where 1218 01:15:28,140 --> 01:15:31,020 all the Magga is, man, the Patriots are on Tik Tok. They 1219 01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:34,740 want them off. And then I saw the same message. LGBTQ they 1220 01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:37,380 want to kick us off because we're powerful on tick tock one. 1221 01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:42,180 Whoa, whoa, someone's smart. They put all the purple hair 1222 01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:45,480 over here. They put the church people over here, put 1223 01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:49,200 Republicans over here. And and advertisers love it. So 1224 01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,320 Dave Jones: it's not. It's not one tick tock. It's like It's 1225 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,090 like 800 Mini tick tock. 1226 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,150 Adam Curry: Yes. So an advertise like, oh, I want to sell my 1227 01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:59,910 shoes. I want to sell them to people on the left and people on 1228 01:15:59,910 --> 01:16:05,010 the right. Magic Johnson famous who said this? And when I'm 1229 01:16:05,010 --> 01:16:10,080 sorry, Jordan. And so you can you can message to people on the 1230 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,440 right hey, right, right, right thinking people. Here's my 1231 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,770 shoes. And no one on the left is going a man that shit or your 1232 01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:18,990 shoes are no good. You're selling to people on the right. 1233 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,110 And the people on the left, go, Hey, left people. Here's some 1234 01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:25,290 shoes. And there's no one in there going, man you've targeted 1235 01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:29,820 I'm tired and you can't get the shoes. Awesome. 1236 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,300 Dave Jones: This was true. This is a fascinating, psycho 1237 01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:37,170 psychological thing here. Because when you when you when 1238 01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:41,280 you segregate these communities, to where they can only hear 1239 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,650 their own voice. They're happier. And they and they don't 1240 01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:48,420 know that they're supposed to be mad. 1241 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,840 Adam Curry: Yes. And as a business, it's working very 1242 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,040 well. Now. Make no mistake, centralized media, social media 1243 01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,360 is a bad idea. Regardless, bad idea. It's much better if you 1244 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,380 have a feed. And it's reverse chronological order. By the way, 1245 01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:07,080 I'm going to say it, I'm going to put it right here I have it 1246 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:13,110 on my nose noster there's something to it. There's 1247 01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:17,910 something to noster that cannot be poo pooed. I am. I'm from the 1248 01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:21,990 future. I have identified things in the past. I'm usually 10 1249 01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:26,610 years too early. That's why I'm not a billionaire. So maybe I'm 1250 01:17:26,610 --> 01:17:29,370 10 years early on this, but there's something to noster 1251 01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:33,450 that, that, that there's power there that I can't quite 1252 01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:37,410 explain. I don't know exactly why. But noster as a social 1253 01:17:37,410 --> 01:17:41,400 media, where you own your own identity. And I know there's all 1254 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,370 the problems with relays. And, and I can Alex Gates has 1255 01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:47,850 probably just turned off the live stream. Um, there is 1256 01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:52,650 something there that is functioning. That is working in 1257 01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:57,510 a way that is interesting, exciting. It's far from ready 1258 01:17:57,510 --> 01:18:02,670 for primetime. But there's something there. And it's, it's 1259 01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:05,940 different from mastodon. It's different. It's certainly 1260 01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:09,270 different from any centralized social media. I'm just saying 1261 01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:12,930 there's something there. So centralized social media, is a 1262 01:18:12,930 --> 01:18:17,970 bad idea. It's a health hazard. Anything that has an algo is a 1263 01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:20,610 health hazard. And you should protect your children from it. 1264 01:18:20,670 --> 01:18:24,870 Regardless, this is what is killing people. I think it's 1265 01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:33,360 it's evil. But right now, tick tock has figured out that people 1266 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,550 are happy on tick tock, because they're not being injected with 1267 01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:39,720 opposition. 1268 01:18:42,420 --> 01:18:44,970 Dave Jones: And I did not I didn't know this. This is this 1269 01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,390 is a very this is very interesting. I didn't know that 1270 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,520 they actively suppress dissent. 1271 01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:54,840 Adam Curry: I don't have proof. But I haven't gone viral twice. 1272 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,510 I saw the difference on two different platforms. 1273 01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,640 Dave Jones: I don't know that. I mean, I think the proof is the 1274 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:05,850 observation because you what other what other social media 1275 01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:11,550 platform ever would you not see any opposing views? I mean, like 1276 01:19:11,550 --> 01:19:15,690 that awkward. Yeah. That just almost can't it almost, is 1277 01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:18,510 either they're actively either it's an act of suppress 1278 01:19:18,510 --> 01:19:21,600 suppression of dissent, where they're doing something like 1279 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,070 looking negative. Yeah, 1280 01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:28,770 Adam Curry: I think it is. And the reason why pastor Jimmy is 1281 01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:33,300 the one who pointed this out to me. He said, the people who are 1282 01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:35,820 always the people who are going to push back on you as a 1283 01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:39,750 Christian the most are Christians, the Christians or 1284 01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:41,880 you're not worshipping right, you know, 1285 01:19:42,599 --> 01:19:44,039 Dave Jones: and that is 100% true. 1286 01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:49,890 Adam Curry: And so that did show up on YouTube, but not on tick 1287 01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,160 tock. So somehow, even the people who are in the group 1288 01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:58,260 didn't we're not, did not surface to me. With you're doing 1289 01:19:58,260 --> 01:19:59,100 it. You're doing it wrong. 1290 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,220 Dave Jones: Yeah, that hasn't been under some sort of 1291 01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:04,980 suppression. I mean, we know that there's sentiment, and 1292 01:20:05,010 --> 01:20:08,970 there's like sentiment scoring. I mean, that that NLP processing 1293 01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:11,670 that's been around for a long time where you have like, sure 1294 01:20:11,670 --> 01:20:15,240 you can feed it some text and it'll spit out is this negative 1295 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,420 or positive? mean that it's, it's been around for a long time 1296 01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:22,290 and is really accurate? Yes, this is a negative. So then you 1297 01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:25,320 can very easily just say, well, we're just gonna hide, throw 1298 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,230 that down. Yeah, exactly. Those are filter, you boza filter the 1299 01:20:28,230 --> 01:20:29,700 negative stuff. And this is 1300 01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:35,010 Adam Curry: also why you have Bozo filter. This is also why I 1301 01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:37,830 have never built an I can almost articulate but I've never 1302 01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:42,480 believed in podcast recommendations. Because that, 1303 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:47,160 by default requires a very centralized system that knows a 1304 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,330 lot of things about you. And that's kind of the opposite of 1305 01:20:51,330 --> 01:20:55,800 what podcasting is podcasting. Now, I think it's a great place 1306 01:20:56,100 --> 01:21:01,410 to find podcasts currently, he's on tick tock. Know, we get a lot 1307 01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:04,380 of people Hey, man, someone posted a clip of no agenda on 1308 01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:09,840 tick tock. And, and that bubbles to the top and it's within that 1309 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,860 group, you know, and it doesn't flow over somewhere else where 1310 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:17,790 people are gonna go, you know, yell about it, or it becomes a 1311 01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:18,930 very positive thing. 1312 01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:21,900 Dave Jones: I'm glad you're talking about glad you brought 1313 01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:25,890 this up. Because just like, I've been thinking about this a lot 1314 01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:33,810 discovery. Discovery is not a, it's not a flat thing. What I 1315 01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:38,130 mean is, it's not like an own off. You don't you don't go you 1316 01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:45,960 don't just you, you don't go into discovery mode. There's a 1317 01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,950 there, it's more like there's like a pressure to discover 1318 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:54,570 discovery. It's sort of, there's something that's pushing you 1319 01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:01,860 over the threshold into discovering a thing. So I know 1320 01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:06,960 this all sounds a little bit weird. But like, like, it's very 1321 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,460 rare. It's rare that you would discover something without being 1322 01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:18,690 ready to look for it. Like, but it's like, so in that regard, 1323 01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:22,650 it's it is sort of like a mode, but you don't choose to be in 1324 01:22:22,650 --> 01:22:26,820 it. It's something that you get almost pushed into while you're 1325 01:22:26,820 --> 01:22:29,850 doing something else. It's probably easier to understand 1326 01:22:29,850 --> 01:22:35,460 with analogies like so if you when I go into my podcast app, 1327 01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:41,340 I'm not looking for discovering new podcasts. No, like, I'm 1328 01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:44,190 going in there to listen to something I already want. 1329 01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:49,410 Something I already know. Like, I'm going in there to listen to 1330 01:22:49,410 --> 01:22:53,880 something I've already chosen to download and to subscribe to. So 1331 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,570 like your podcast app is not ever I don't think going to be 1332 01:22:57,570 --> 01:23:01,950 the place where discovery happens. That's one 1333 01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:05,070 Adam Curry: disagree with you a little bit. Really? Yeah. 1334 01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,350 Dave Jones: I mean, I thought I was I mean, 1335 01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:11,610 Adam Curry: no, no. Well, I just want this one thing. The 1336 01:23:11,610 --> 01:23:16,740 difference is the activity feed on on fountain. When I see a 1337 01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:21,480 Dave Jones boost show up in the air for a podcast. I know Dave 1338 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:25,020 Jones, but no one else the app doesn't know I know Dave Jones, 1339 01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:28,740 I see this activity feed I scroll through it. Now what's 1340 01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:31,140 going on, you see what's going on, or I see a clip or something 1341 01:23:31,140 --> 01:23:35,070 like that by other people. When I see Dave Jones has boosted an 1342 01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:38,160 amount of SATs to a show. I want to listen to the show. It may 1343 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,990 not be for me, but I tried it out. So that is the one time the 1344 01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:48,000 one the one and only time. I've gotten a recommendation from an 1345 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,450 app. 1346 01:23:49,620 --> 01:23:53,040 Dave Jones: I can see that's almost like bringing in a it's 1347 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,940 almost like bringing in an external was you it was it was 1348 01:23:56,940 --> 01:24:01,260 you? Yeah, no, I'd like you're like I'm paying for it too. And 1349 01:24:01,260 --> 01:24:04,350 it's like, I mean, I'm actually there's like a double when 1350 01:24:04,350 --> 01:24:07,290 that's like your that's okay, well, that that's actually I 1351 01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:11,790 think fits into the pressure model. It's so because you're 1352 01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:15,930 you're being sort of overwhelmed into a sense of discovery that 1353 01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:19,800 you're being pushed. No, no, no, no, I disagree by an external 1354 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,860 force, which is if you if you had me, Yeah, huge. 1355 01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:25,230 Adam Curry: Exactly. If you had made a clip, it would have been 1356 01:24:25,230 --> 01:24:28,290 just as interesting to me or if there was a comment that surface 1357 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,070 as long as I know that you and serendipitous, right, as long as 1358 01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:34,680 I know that. Oh, that's Dave, he did this. Oh, that's 1359 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,890 interesting. I'm going to check it out. Now other ways I 1360 01:24:37,890 --> 01:24:40,620 discover as you say, Hey, Adam, check this podcast out. 1361 01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:45,210 Dave Jones: And so I think discovery most often happens 1362 01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:50,130 with something like like, this would be a scenario. You are 1363 01:24:50,130 --> 01:24:53,550 listening. You're listening to some old music you're listening 1364 01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:55,680 to some Jerry Reed we talked about Jerry Reed he listened to 1365 01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,670 that he was Moses and you liked you get you're getting it. 1366 01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:03,360 You're getting into it. And then you are like, I wonder if 1367 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,240 there's any podcasts about Jerry Ray, like, I would like to know 1368 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,720 more about his life or whatever. before. Before you know it, you 1369 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,990 end up you're listening to cocaine and Ron stones. Yeah. 1370 01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:17,340 And you're into, you've gotten into discovery mode through 1371 01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:22,800 something put sort of pushing you into it. And and like, I 1372 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,220 guess that's what I'm trying to say in this sense. Like, I'm not 1373 01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:30,420 sure that the difference I think with fountain is, you know, you 1374 01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:35,100 know, me, and that's probably and that's a good daddy, I 1375 01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:38,820 admit, that's a good way to do it. If if the people that you 1376 01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:43,500 are if you know, the other people on your timeline, like if 1377 01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,780 you have some sort of connection, of course, yes, of 1378 01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:49,050 course. Yeah. And you trust Now, if you're just a Rando will, you 1379 01:25:49,050 --> 01:25:52,110 know, download and found those that may not be 1380 01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:54,180 Adam Curry: free, you know, and found and you can follow people? 1381 01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,960 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But the, but if there are people you 1382 01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,030 don't know, it's not the pressure may not be 1383 01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:01,740 Adam Curry: there. Oh, there's zero pressure? Of course not. 1384 01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:05,610 No, yeah. No, but I'm just saying it's not like YouTube or 1385 01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:10,380 Tik Tok. Where you know, where it's very short, the throwing 1386 01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:13,080 stuff in your face or trying things out there checking out 1387 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,900 what you're scrolling? I mean, yeah, that's a recommendation 1388 01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:21,030 engine, which, which is not appropriate for podcast. Now, 1389 01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:27,810 here's the number one way I get new listeners. Know, there's two 1390 01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:31,830 ways. One is, I saw you on Joe Rogan talking about your 1391 01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:34,320 podcasts. I saw you and Tom, I heard you and Tom was talking 1392 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:39,510 about your podcast, I heard you on. Fill in the blank. That's 1393 01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:45,420 one. The other one is I got hit in the mouth by my friend. My 1394 01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:48,510 friend. That's what we call it. For no agenda. My friend said 1395 01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,390 you gotta listen to this. Took me three lessons. Now I'm 1396 01:26:51,390 --> 01:26:55,710 listening. That's how that's how it's always worked for me. 1397 01:26:56,100 --> 01:27:00,630 There's never been we we do not show up on lists. We're not an 1398 01:27:00,630 --> 01:27:02,160 apples top anything. 1399 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,300 Dave Jones: I don't you're not even on Spotify. 1400 01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:10,470 Adam Curry: We're not even on Spotify. We purposely not funny. 1401 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:18,900 Yeah, we went 850,000 unique listeners as per op three. built 1402 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,830 over time, of course. But people will send in messages like, Hey, 1403 01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:26,760 I got hit in the mouth by so and so by so and so by someone. So 1404 01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:29,310 there's a feedback mechanism where they can tell us and we 1405 01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:31,410 repeat that on the air, of course. But that's just smart 1406 01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:34,950 programming. You can't fix everything with a tag and 1407 01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:38,730 technology. Some of it is know what the hell you're doing on 1408 01:27:38,730 --> 01:27:39,510 the podcast. 1409 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:45,150 Dave Jones: It's yesterday, this I'm sure we probably need to 1410 01:27:45,150 --> 01:27:49,410 Thanks for people's good for well, but but I do but I want to 1411 01:27:49,410 --> 01:27:53,850 say this with regards to the podcast, Anders project. And 1412 01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:57,480 their role as advocates, if I understand that role correctly. 1413 01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:05,760 I would suggest strongly advocating directly to 1414 01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:12,390 advocating slash agitating Call it what you will directly to 1415 01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:17,670 Apple and Google or the Android platforms directly to these 1416 01:28:17,670 --> 01:28:22,470 platforms for the things that are fundamentally needed. And 1417 01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:28,410 that would be out right out of the gate. A universal way to 1418 01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:33,510 subscribe to podcasts across apps. Oh, yes. So and that 1419 01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:38,010 involves the ability to set a default podcast player on your 1420 01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:43,080 device. So that you so that we can all get away from the 1421 01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,190 million little badges of all these Chiclets. Yeah, and we can 1422 01:28:47,190 --> 01:28:54,270 just have a you know, pod play colon slash slash the the link 1423 01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:57,870 to the podcast. And it just always opens in your default 1424 01:28:57,870 --> 01:29:02,850 player and subscribes we do this it's complete silliness and 1425 01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:05,610 nonsense that we don't have this yet. I would, I would advocate 1426 01:29:05,610 --> 01:29:10,320 for that right out of the gate. The other thing I would advocate 1427 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,150 for is this is on my Christmas list is for somebody to just 1428 01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:21,420 call up some someone at Spotify and say, Hey, Spotify, will you 1429 01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,620 please support the person tag? Like some I feel like somebody 1430 01:29:25,620 --> 01:29:30,000 just needs to call them on the telephone and say, Hey, will you 1431 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:36,210 please ingest these these X number of tags and just have a 1432 01:29:36,210 --> 01:29:39,480 in person phone call with somebody at at that play? 1433 01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:43,530 Because I would like them. It would be great. I agree. I'm 1434 01:29:43,530 --> 01:29:48,120 gonna go with your model. And say that we war can last 1435 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:53,880 forever. We need to we need to seek peace. And peace, to me 1436 01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,410 involves the diplomacy of calling a calling them up and 1437 01:29:58,410 --> 01:30:03,120 saying hey, Can you all support? We would like add we as the 1438 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,760 podcast Android project would like you to support. It's 1439 01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:09,180 Adam Curry: funny you say that we all know who the people are 1440 01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:13,860 because pod news reports on them daily. We know we know exactly 1441 01:30:13,860 --> 01:30:16,830 who the people are in charge, it changes a lot. We know exactly 1442 01:30:16,830 --> 01:30:19,860 who's in charge. I completely agree. We have their names. If 1443 01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:22,290 we add their names, we can probably find their their phone 1444 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,820 their phone number. And before we get into thanking people, I 1445 01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:29,370 would like to advocate once again that someone helped 1446 01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:34,620 Courtney Kocak. thinks I pronounce your name. Yes. As a 1447 01:30:34,620 --> 01:30:41,250 private parts podcast. She heard our podcast, she I'll read this. 1448 01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:44,130 I had been talked about on podcast. She posted this on 1449 01:30:44,130 --> 01:30:47,430 Twitter. She did Yes. I've been talked about on podcast for 1450 01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:49,770 better or for worse, but I've never been clipped up and 1451 01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:53,220 discussed for the better part of a 15 minute segment. And by Adam 1452 01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:57,690 curry, no less. Apparently invented podcasting is pretty 1453 01:30:57,690 --> 01:31:02,700 hilarious. I wish I wish every time I'm talked about was so 1454 01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:05,550 good natured. You'll have to listen for the details. But long 1455 01:31:05,550 --> 01:31:09,450 story short, I'm now inspired to start doing V for V for my 1456 01:31:09,450 --> 01:31:12,870 podcast. And of course, I'll be taking you along for the ride. 1457 01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,370 No one has been allowed to this woman a HUD Damn. 1458 01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,990 Dave Jones: I mean, this is that's money 1459 01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:24,600 Adam Curry: in the bank. The bank someone has to go help and 1460 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,230 she's got a Twitter. Now Rob Greenlee apparently didn't reach 1461 01:31:28,230 --> 01:31:33,480 out. I gave him first dibs. Don't make me go to Steve leaves 1462 01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:34,290 and make him do it. 1463 01:31:34,769 --> 01:31:38,339 Dave Jones: Rob doesn't like money. Not a money. 1464 01:31:39,630 --> 01:31:41,400 Adam Curry: Let's thank some people. Let's thank the people 1465 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,430 who have diligently been boosting during this late night 1466 01:31:44,430 --> 01:31:47,100 board meeting. And we really appreciate all of you being 1467 01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:52,320 here. Who were in the chat room. Blueberry, the most recent one 1468 01:31:52,320 --> 01:32:00,570 one minute ago. With 33,999. He sends a link and of course I am 1469 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,900 foolishly going to open this link to an mp3 file to see what 1470 01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:11,790 it is. And it's loading let's see. Seems to be a pretty big 1471 01:32:11,790 --> 01:32:15,120 file. I don't know what is the Lord. Oh, it's crunching the 1472 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,020 connection for some reason. All right. Well, that's not working. 1473 01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:22,800 I have to stop that. By the way. I ordered a five gigabit gigabit 1474 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:27,690 line Dave. Oh, you ordered a five gigabit. Yep, fiber is here 1475 01:32:27,690 --> 01:32:32,220 in the hill country and they have a 500 megabit they have a 1476 01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:35,700 gigabit they have a two gigabit and a five gigabit and I went 1477 01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:38,250 for five honkin gigabits baby. 1478 01:32:38,850 --> 01:32:42,060 Dave Jones: Holy cow. How did you get that out in the middle 1479 01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:42,660 of nowhere? 1480 01:32:42,690 --> 01:32:46,170 Adam Curry: Texas brother, Texas. Big pie. everything's 1481 01:32:46,170 --> 01:32:48,000 bigger in Texas. Don't you know that? 1482 01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:50,250 Dave Jones: I mean, I'm in downtown and 1483 01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,980 Adam Curry: 2222 from Nathan G alternative to a default podcast 1484 01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:59,370 app on iOS podcasting. 2.0 apps could provide a way to sync 1485 01:32:59,370 --> 01:33:02,700 subscriptions, progress play states between apps. Okay, 1486 01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:10,050 blueberry with a 33 666 with another. Another link Dave, 1487 01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:12,570 there's a Tiktok for everything he says. And then he sends in a 1488 01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:17,220 6666 the boardroom needs at least one goat. Okay, and it's 1489 01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:21,090 33,330 I'll give you a goat. Okay, he wants to hear a goat 1490 01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:26,220 and a 33,333 Where's my goat? I gotta go to here somewhere. 1491 01:33:26,220 --> 01:33:32,490 We're gonna go I'm gonna go that splits a little baby splits. Mr. 1492 01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:38,370 Robots, Mr. Robot checks in and he says just topped off my lb 1493 01:33:38,370 --> 01:33:43,650 with some climate change. Health karma for Dave oh, by the way. 1494 01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:47,400 10,000 SATs probably get that garlic off your nightstand at 1495 01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,710 night. Oh, that's the book you've been reading. Before the 1496 01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:52,830 works that my Hill appreciate where you and Adam have created 1497 01:33:52,980 --> 01:34:01,500 a bunch of emojis. We have elite boots elite boost 33 13,013 137 1498 01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:07,650 from envy for N for v XP 2.0. Getting lit on a Friday night. 1499 01:34:07,650 --> 01:34:11,940 Thank you for your coding. Gene being 2222 Seems I'm not 1500 01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:14,550 destined to Listen Live pod verse web is not playing nice 1501 01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:16,590 for me either. I guess I will catch the release version 1502 01:34:16,590 --> 01:34:19,650 tomorrow could be the the bits and bytes. Sorry about that. 1503 01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,780 Meet us with 50,000 SATs Thank you very much. metus another 1504 01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:27,780 gene being 1337 Check out the live show on pod verse for the 1505 01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:31,710 first time pretty cool. He says hard hat with 2222 Oh that was 1506 01:34:31,710 --> 01:34:36,450 the test boost I asked for earlier and Eric peepee 33,333 1507 01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:41,310 also with a test boost and Gene being again with a 1337 chimp 1508 01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:44,340 while we were starting off the show we had a test boost we were 1509 01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:47,370 singing to The Style Council. Shout out to the top he did a 1510 01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:53,880 boosted to the top with a row of dogs with a tail 22,223 The 1511 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,900 trickler I'm thinking that oh he just trickler 500 SATs go 1512 01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:04,560 podcasting he says lie see Am 2112 Rush boost says running 1513 01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,320 with scissors on the oh yes running with scissors or needles 1514 01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,790 and pins Carolyn's monkey correct Martin Linda's Kirk all 1515 01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:15,600 the way from Scandinavia He gives us Depeche Mode Have a 1516 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,140 listen 1517 01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:26,550 Unknown: back cold winter jarka That comes Caroline's 1518 01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:32,070 monkey it's hungry again. Running with Scissors on 1519 01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:32,850 needles. 1520 01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:34,830 Yeah 1521 01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,520 Dave Jones: okay I'm familiar with 1522 01:35:41,550 --> 01:35:44,130 Adam Curry: Guy airline I know the debate and one of them is 1523 01:35:44,130 --> 01:35:47,010 dead now. I knew that Depeche Mode guys pretty good ladies. 1524 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:56,220 Let me see. I think that's Mike Dell 21,000 SATs pre show. busco 1525 01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:57,210 podcasting. 1526 01:35:58,140 --> 01:35:58,440 Dave Jones: Thank you, 1527 01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:00,210 Unknown: Mike. And 1528 01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:06,120 Adam Curry: me see then we have tone wrecker. 4321 bummed to 1529 01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,400 miss the board meeting chat room this week after last week's 1530 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,380 break. We'll we'll catch the recording while watching our 1531 01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:13,170 high school robotics team compete this weekend. They did 1532 01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:15,930 qualify now to attend world finals in Houston next month. 1533 01:36:15,930 --> 01:36:18,870 Let me hear your holla Nightcrawler Holla Holla Holla 1534 01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:24,750 Holla That's right. And one late one that just came in sir lurks 1535 01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:32,460 a lot 13,370 Live booths from pod verse by Alby and Mike 1536 01:36:32,460 --> 01:36:38,160 Newman 21,112 Mega Rush boost just turn this thing on heard 1537 01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:44,190 Adam talking about big pipes go podcasting. All right, and now 1538 01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:47,040 it's over to you Dave because I hit the delimiter so it's time 1539 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,000 for you to take over 1540 01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,570 Dave Jones: no I've got a Marco Arment it $500 And 1541 01:36:51,570 --> 01:36:53,010 Adam Curry: pay pal Hello everybody 1542 01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:58,230 Unknown: Wow Sakala 20 hit play on am Paula Thank 1543 01:36:58,230 --> 01:37:01,020 Adam Curry: you Marco always appreciate appreciate your 1544 01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:04,620 support of the index and the work we do. Oh hold on a second. 1545 01:37:04,650 --> 01:37:11,370 I'm sorry. Did I How did I miss this? Mr. Robot just came in 1546 01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:15,000 with his first live boost. Thanks for the love of my life 1547 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,870 Mr. Robot for the help. Oh, anonymous I'm sorry. My first 1548 01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:21,840 live was thanks for the love of my life. Mr. Robot for the help 1549 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,110 go podcasting. 100,000 SATs. 1550 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,340 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on him. 1551 01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,690 Adam Curry: That's the love of Mr. Robot's life. All right. 1552 01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:34,860 Well, Johnny works. 1553 01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,140 Dave Jones: Word that is an entrance into the boardroom. 1554 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,290 Adam Curry: That's a you just barging into the boardroom with? 1555 01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:48,360 Dave Jones: With a with a four pack a turbo Buzzsprout? Also 1556 01:37:48,540 --> 01:37:49,530 $500 1557 01:37:51,570 --> 01:37:56,490 Unknown: Sakala 20 blades on the Impala. Yes, thank 1558 01:37:56,490 --> 01:37:59,820 Dave Jones: you. Congratulations to you. To to you guys for 1559 01:38:00,510 --> 01:38:02,910 sticking with that podcast understanding and putting it 1560 01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:06,570 together. Yes. That is not an easy thing to do. 1561 01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,360 Adam Curry: Get in the way politics is not easy. 1562 01:38:10,139 --> 01:38:13,679 Dave Jones: Yes, not and just get just getting. And getting 1563 01:38:14,069 --> 01:38:20,219 five people on the same page is hard and much less 15 or 22 1564 01:38:20,219 --> 01:38:25,019 group. Thanks, guys. And while we're while we're there, 1565 01:38:25,019 --> 01:38:28,109 fountain, Oscar marry $200. Man, 1566 01:38:28,590 --> 01:38:35,490 Adam Curry: we are just Blaze laminate this value for value it 1567 01:38:35,490 --> 01:38:36,300 works. 1568 01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:40,860 Dave Jones: And, and I have a will get this whatever this 1569 01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:45,930 mystery 502 At five o'clock at 5:02am in the morning is. I 1570 01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:49,800 don't know if this is some sort of a joke. But I will find out 1571 01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,980 what this problem is and fix it on the API. 1572 01:38:53,099 --> 01:38:56,039 Adam Curry: Oh, and and I just want to thank everyone who's 1573 01:38:56,069 --> 01:38:59,429 who's supporting us this week over the past two weeks, Dave 1574 01:38:59,429 --> 01:39:00,869 and I actually had to pay taxes. 1575 01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:03,600 Dave Jones: That was not fun. But it was 1576 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,760 Adam Curry: not fun. So we appreciate you filling it out. 1577 01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,310 Because you know, even though we don't take money out of the 1578 01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:12,660 index for anything, we do pay taxes over everything that comes 1579 01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:13,680 in Yeah. So 1580 01:39:13,710 --> 01:39:15,900 Dave Jones: I don't know if it's this way in other countries, but 1581 01:39:15,930 --> 01:39:20,730 in in the US if you have a partnership, you the income from 1582 01:39:20,730 --> 01:39:24,930 the business goes, Pat is what they call passes through to 1583 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,950 directly to your personal return. So it's like you made 1584 01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,920 it's like you made all of the money that the business made. 1585 01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:35,010 Even though that money is not in your bank. It's in the hands of 1586 01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:39,750 business. Yes. So your that tax bill is not fun, but 1587 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,170 Adam Curry: we thank you. You've helped us with that. 1588 01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:49,170 Dave Jones: I've got guests who this is somebody gave us $100 1589 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:54,150 Okay, and this is an this is somebody this is I want you to 1590 01:39:54,150 --> 01:39:54,810 guess 1591 01:39:56,490 --> 01:40:02,730 Adam Curry: while you're getting any hints no Just someone I 1592 01:40:02,730 --> 01:40:03,300 know. 1593 01:40:04,830 --> 01:40:08,730 Dave Jones: personally know it someone's been he's been on the 1594 01:40:08,730 --> 01:40:14,490 show though. And he writes an app I the podcast 1595 01:40:17,010 --> 01:40:20,490 Adam Curry: Franco? Yes. Yeah. 1596 01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,380 Unknown: Sakala 20 is blade on I am Paula 1597 01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:27,240 Adam Curry: has automatic baby. Yeah, 1598 01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:30,210 Dave Jones: the reason I did that the reason I said I wanted 1599 01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:34,530 you to guess, is because you have this uncanny ability to 1600 01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:39,630 guess stuff like this with with almost no information. No, you 1601 01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:43,560 know, you have this gift right? Yeah, I guess I heard you do 1602 01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,320 this for years where? Where somebody will say, you know, 1603 01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:52,380 we're John will say, a guest this and it'll give you hardly 1604 01:40:52,410 --> 01:40:54,960 any information to go on. And you will nail it. 1605 01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:58,380 Adam Curry: Yeah. Or come pretty close. Come pretty. I don't know 1606 01:40:58,380 --> 01:41:01,290 how you. I don't know, either. I don't know. But you said when 1607 01:41:01,290 --> 01:41:02,580 you said app, I'm like, 1608 01:41:04,170 --> 01:41:06,090 Dave Jones: it could have been so many people miss Steven B. 1609 01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:08,250 Could have been Martin could have been Jason from 1610 01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:12,450 Adam Curry: I don't know why. And I don't know. It's neural 1611 01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:15,810 networking, because Casta Matic was also pretty high on the list 1612 01:41:15,810 --> 01:41:21,720 of transactions recently. He's wired into it and I guess I 1613 01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:25,890 guess I don't know. It's crazy. I'm sorry. It's talent. They're 1614 01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:27,420 raw. 1615 01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:32,340 Dave Jones: That was a click Beatty, you know, mere mortals 1616 01:41:32,340 --> 01:41:34,290 pie. We're going to submit your graphs caring for the mere 1617 01:41:34,290 --> 01:41:38,280 mortals podcast 2222. He says, fuck it. I'll step up and try 1618 01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,310 this out. You've mentioned the V for V consultant idea before 1619 01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:45,000 Adam and if the guy who runs the V for V podcast won't do it, 1620 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,200 then who will? Ah Oh, Aaron's gonna dip his toe There you 1621 01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,540 Adam Curry: go, man. She's at Courtney Kocak on on Twitter. 1622 01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,510 And I replied to her so you can find it from my timeline and 1623 01:42:00,510 --> 01:42:01,830 just tell her I sent you 1624 01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:05,220 Dave Jones: the pod father sent you Yeah, 1625 01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,650 Adam Curry: she's ready for it man. She just needs a little bit 1626 01:42:07,650 --> 01:42:13,320 of help and look listen to the content listen to the content. 1627 01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:18,120 It's stuff that people will boost they'll boost 1628 01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:22,710 Dave Jones: Oh, I like that. This is this is a very 1629 01:42:22,710 --> 01:42:26,760 appropriate the chyron would take this mantle V for Vega. 1630 01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:30,210 Adam Curry: Yeah, what a great great great guy. Go go go go. 1631 01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:36,210 Dave Jones: Gene mean 1337 lead boost he says having my deviated 1632 01:42:36,210 --> 01:42:40,140 septum thanks made me so much healthier. Dave Dave's health 1633 01:42:40,140 --> 01:42:47,520 podcast is what this is. I like this. Okay. So, Jean bean again. 1634 01:42:47,550 --> 01:42:50,490 1337. He says, I vote to keep the dollar amounts in the 1635 01:42:50,490 --> 01:42:52,860 charts, Dave. Okay. All right. We'll keep it we'll keep it. 1636 01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:58,980 Karen again. 20 To 22 pieces. And Aussie swear a lot in 1637 01:42:58,980 --> 01:43:03,810 general. Or at least use a fair bit of slang that's just British 1638 01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:08,400 crudeness. A try typing in Australian prude in Google and 1639 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,940 it tries correcting it to pride. Thanks, Google. Jean Bane. 1640 01:43:14,940 --> 01:43:18,270 10,000 says he says my contribution to the Balian Oh, 1641 01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:18,660 okay. 1642 01:43:20,460 --> 01:43:21,630 Unknown: Thank you very good. 1643 01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:27,480 Dave Jones: froze ear at 80 8080. He says, Janet Yellen 1644 01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:36,180 sounds like a female Verner Hertzog floored Jo Jo W. Sasha 1645 01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:39,780 Richards. No, no, thank you, Joe. Thank you Joe Clark in my 1646 01:43:39,780 --> 01:43:43,740 buddy 25,000 SATs, he says octogenarian kleptocratic 1647 01:43:43,740 --> 01:43:47,130 oligarchs are looting the system in the collapse stage of the US 1648 01:43:47,130 --> 01:43:51,570 Empire. Mid wits who failed up because of a broken system and 1649 01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:54,990 money thank God for Bitcoin the orange pill that is also a white 1650 01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:58,050 pill. Boost boost boosts right 1651 01:43:58,050 --> 01:43:58,530 Unknown: nice 1652 01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:02,790 Dave Jones: as a good note, Brian mozzie 33 333 through 1653 01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:06,000 fountain he says double check the tally coin a donated on 1654 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,130 chain March 12 Boost Oh, 1655 01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:11,910 Unknown: I will check on will check um she says March 12. 1656 01:44:13,020 --> 01:44:16,170 Adam Curry: Well, that would have been before that one before 1657 01:44:16,170 --> 01:44:17,460 I last show. 1658 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,200 Unknown: Did I read? 1659 01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:20,970 Adam Curry: I think I have a feeling I read that. 1660 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:24,630 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think you read it. I remember you talking 1661 01:44:24,660 --> 01:44:27,150 about about mozzie I think he really wants 1662 01:44:27,150 --> 01:44:29,580 Adam Curry: to take it sweet sweet time to load. Oh, here it 1663 01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:34,980 is. Tally coin. Let's see. March 12. No, that was that was Drib 1664 01:44:35,340 --> 01:44:42,330 No, no testing tally coin was Drib be Mossy. 48,865 And that 1665 01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:45,360 was March and I was positive. I think I meant mentioned but if 1666 01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,430 not thank you again. Thank you again. Yes, thank 1667 01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:52,500 Dave Jones: you. Color Mona 6969. Through fountain and he 1668 01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:55,890 says saying a YouTube video is a podcast is like saying a comic 1669 01:44:55,890 --> 01:44:59,130 book is a TV show called mana sir Libra moon. 1670 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,900 Unknown: I totally agree. 1671 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,650 Dave Jones: Ahlborn Citadelle 50,000 SATs and he says boost 1672 01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:11,280 boost. Oh, here we go. Chris last. Chris from Jupiter 1673 01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:17,070 broadcasting 222,222 sets 1674 01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:22,320 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on I am Paula. 1675 01:45:22,350 --> 01:45:24,690 Adam Curry: Wow. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. 1676 01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,170 Dave Jones: He says, Hey, gentlemen, some good news. Linux 1677 01:45:28,170 --> 01:45:31,440 fest northwest, the best and largest open source community 1678 01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:35,340 event in the country is back in October after COVID break. I'm 1679 01:45:35,340 --> 01:45:37,830 putting the word out that we're hoping to get someone in the 1680 01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:41,790 podcast in 2.0 community to hold a talk call for papers is open 1681 01:45:41,790 --> 01:45:46,320 now details at Linux Linux fest northwest.org. It's like a 1682 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,700 party. Hey, 1683 01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:50,610 Adam Curry: are those guys doing live shows? Yeah, 1684 01:45:50,610 --> 01:45:54,990 Dave Jones: I don't think so. I think they're, they're zeroing 1685 01:45:54,990 --> 01:45:55,590 in on it though. 1686 01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,050 Adam Curry: Because I can just imagine I listen to their to 1687 01:45:58,050 --> 01:46:02,340 their show often, frequently, and I haven't boosted in a while 1688 01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:05,160 but yeah, but man if I was listening to a live show, it's 1689 01:46:05,190 --> 01:46:09,120 it's made for boosting live. No, it totally would have been total 1690 01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:09,750 fun with it. 1691 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,690 Dave Jones: Thank you, Chris. Appreciate that, bro. Oh, Roy 1692 01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:21,540 scheinfeld Yeah, 54321 no note. He just says podcast. index.org 1693 01:46:21,570 --> 01:46:22,260 Adam Curry: Whoa, 1694 01:46:22,380 --> 01:46:23,670 Unknown: whoa, okay, well, 1695 01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:24,990 Dave Jones: how you doing booster. Thanks, 1696 01:46:24,990 --> 01:46:26,010 Adam Curry: Roy. I got a call Roy. 1697 01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:30,240 Dave Jones: Let's see. I've got I've got a double delimiter 1698 01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,720 here. So I'm just gonna read the first delimiter from comic strip 1699 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:37,350 blogger. 30 3015. This was the shortened delimiter from last 1700 01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:40,740 week. God says how do you Adam and Dave since Adam wanted me to 1701 01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:46,200 boost also when you don't have a show that you actually said 1702 01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:46,590 that? 1703 01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:51,180 Adam Curry: Here's a commission blogger always lets us know if 1704 01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:53,730 if he got if all the splits work, which I appreciate he does 1705 01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:59,520 it for for carrying the keeper as well. Okay. And he says, Hey, 1706 01:46:59,610 --> 01:47:03,120 are you guys doing the show or not? And I want to know if I 1707 01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,850 should do so I said, I think I said Well, you know the server's 1708 01:47:05,850 --> 01:47:09,330 still work while we're while we're even though we don't have 1709 01:47:09,330 --> 01:47:12,690 a show. And you took that to heart and I appreciate that. 1710 01:47:12,900 --> 01:47:14,280 Appreciate it, man. Thank you. 1711 01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:19,500 Dave Jones: Okay. He says it's just a funny way to say it. 1712 01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:24,180 Since Adam wanted me to boost also when you don't have this 1713 01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:26,790 week. So here it is. Yoast. 1714 01:47:27,780 --> 01:47:29,220 Adam Curry: Thank you combinator blogger. 1715 01:47:29,429 --> 01:47:35,369 Dave Jones: Thanks. ESB. 6969 from a citizen. Blessings to you 1716 01:47:35,399 --> 01:47:39,809 saviors of the universe. Maybe not the universe, maybe podcast. 1717 01:47:41,639 --> 01:47:46,139 Macintosh 20 103 found in and he says Eurodollar University is a 1718 01:47:46,139 --> 01:47:51,239 great podcast. Okay. It's not a podcast. Oh, wait, it actually 1719 01:47:51,239 --> 01:47:54,449 it is a podcast. I think he does have a Python is good. But I 1720 01:47:54,449 --> 01:47:57,659 watched it on YouTube. You're right Macintosh, I hope noster 1721 01:47:57,659 --> 01:48:03,029 sorts out V for V type support soon. The protocol and the basic 1722 01:48:03,029 --> 01:48:06,299 ideas, decentralized free speech that is censorship resistant and 1723 01:48:06,299 --> 01:48:09,839 can even provide semi private communication is very important, 1724 01:48:09,839 --> 01:48:14,819 in my opinion, is early days, early early days. We will see 1725 01:48:14,819 --> 01:48:18,269 how it works out on a completely different thought. Could we get 1726 01:48:18,269 --> 01:48:21,689 returns implanted in boosts? Returns? 1727 01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:26,910 Adam Curry: Oh, so you can boost back up somebody? 1728 01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:30,600 Dave Jones: Okay, on a completely different thought. 1729 01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:35,010 Could we get returns and planted in boosts? I would love to be 1730 01:48:35,010 --> 01:48:40,170 able to have separate paragraphs. Oh, man. Oh, well, 1731 01:48:40,170 --> 01:48:40,350 that 1732 01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:43,530 Adam Curry: depends what app you're using. Yeah. And 1733 01:48:43,530 --> 01:48:46,020 Dave Jones: you've and remember Macintosh, you've only got a 1734 01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:48,870 very limited amount of message space. Yeah, 1735 01:48:48,929 --> 01:48:51,659 Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah, that but I do find that a problem as 1736 01:48:51,659 --> 01:48:58,289 well. When I use I think almost any, any app. Except curio casts 1737 01:48:58,289 --> 01:49:01,949 or because it's a web based. There's no spellcheck. There's 1738 01:49:01,949 --> 01:49:08,489 no no autocomplete of like, you know, I'm you have to put in the 1739 01:49:08,489 --> 01:49:12,599 apostrophe yourself. Yeah, yeah, I understand. I understand the 1740 01:49:12,599 --> 01:49:15,449 problem, but yeah, it's limited space to true 1741 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:19,020 Dave Jones: Yeah, you were the TLV piggybacks inside the onion. 1742 01:49:20,490 --> 01:49:22,110 In the lightning payment. Hey, baby, 1743 01:49:22,110 --> 01:49:28,080 Adam Curry: can I can I put my T O V on your onion? I piggyback 1744 01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,610 my TLV on your onion. 1745 01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:35,400 Dave Jones: There's seven millimeters of bone. So yes, he 1746 01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,300 says have some paragraphs he says go podcasting. Yes, I hear 1747 01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:46,890 ya podcast 8008 Boob donation from our Davis 87 He says in the 1748 01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:52,170 morning gents ITM love see love the stet talk please defrag me 1749 01:49:52,290 --> 01:49:52,800 Oh, 1750 01:49:53,580 --> 01:49:57,600 Adam Curry: that for a while. You got it. 1751 01:49:58,230 --> 01:50:01,980 Dave Jones: Sir. I think that strips got Little one, Sir 1752 01:50:01,980 --> 01:50:05,370 Michael 10 case that's 10,000 SATs he says where's the new 1753 01:50:05,370 --> 01:50:08,970 episode? I need my Friday fix upon namespace talk real time 1754 01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:10,920 might start listening to more net casts. 1755 01:50:12,179 --> 01:50:15,629 Adam Curry: Sorry we weren't here. We weren't here. No, don't 1756 01:50:15,630 --> 01:50:20,760 Dave Jones: do that. Jay Moon 5033 He says at work on a Friday 1757 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:22,980 night it's just not the same without the boardroom meeting 1758 01:50:22,980 --> 01:50:24,570 from earlier library. 1759 01:50:25,529 --> 01:50:29,039 Adam Curry: Same for me. I missed it too. I was doing it. I 1760 01:50:29,039 --> 01:50:29,759 miss doing it. 1761 01:50:30,539 --> 01:50:34,079 Dave Jones: I love sushi. 1000 SATs through cast semantics is 1762 01:50:34,079 --> 01:50:36,449 test boost from CAST Matic Well, I love sushi. 1763 01:50:36,539 --> 01:50:39,689 Adam Curry: Yeah, she is boosting a lot and boosts other 1764 01:50:39,689 --> 01:50:41,249 shows as well. Thank you. I love sushi. 1765 01:50:42,209 --> 01:50:47,489 Dave Jones: Nicholas be 58 50,000 says ooh, Nicholas 1766 01:50:47,489 --> 01:50:48,539 says boost 1767 01:50:48,570 --> 01:50:50,280 Unknown: got it boost. 1768 01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:56,400 Dave Jones: Just listening 1000 SATs and just listening says GE 1769 01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:00,960 Griffin in the Creature from Jekyll Island, quote, Secrets of 1770 01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,350 the temple was critical of the Federal Reserve because of its 1771 01:51:04,350 --> 01:51:08,250 failures. But according to greater these were not caused by 1772 01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,640 any defect in the system itself. But were merely were the result 1773 01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,610 of economic factors which are so complicated that the good men 1774 01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:17,070 who have struggled to make the system work just haven't been 1775 01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:19,680 able to figure it all out. But don't worry, folks, they're 1776 01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:20,370 working on it. 1777 01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:22,530 Adam Curry: That's streaming I'm sure they are. 1778 01:51:23,490 --> 01:51:29,490 Dave Jones: I I agree. Oh, he has a follow up here he says 1779 01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,820 this is post quote he says that is exactly the kind of 1780 01:51:32,820 --> 01:51:35,280 powderpuff criticism which is acceptable in our mainstream 1781 01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:38,760 media. Dave I'm slowly working my way through 60s at the temple 1782 01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,950 and I'm loving the occasional tidbits when you mention it 1783 01:51:41,220 --> 01:51:43,530 maybe we could hear roundup of your thoughts when I'm reading 1784 01:51:43,530 --> 01:51:43,650 it 1785 01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:46,950 Adam Curry: yeah exactly. Make us make us all completely into 1786 01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:47,640 Unix 1787 01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:59,160 Dave Jones: the I agree in this like I'm not reading it for 1788 01:51:59,820 --> 01:52:03,540 incredibly harsh criticism of the Federal Reserve it's really 1789 01:52:03,540 --> 01:52:09,180 history to me like I want to hear what was going on at the 1790 01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:14,160 time from somebody who was there get a little pig militant but ya 1791 01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:19,110 know there's I'm sure that's fair. C dubs one on one a one 1792 01:52:19,110 --> 01:52:23,940 binary boost he says I say boosted boosted good things to 1793 01:52:25,740 --> 01:52:33,210 say sir looks a lot 1337 lead boost he says oh Lord, bass haze 1794 01:52:33,210 --> 01:52:38,010 me begin series of boosts and then how many is this? Oh my 1795 01:52:38,010 --> 01:52:41,070 god, this is like seven boosts. 1796 01:52:41,940 --> 01:52:42,570 Unknown: Wow. 1797 01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:44,820 Adam Curry: So let's see seeing this. Yeah, we're actually 1798 01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:58,080 looking at it now. 1-234-567-8588 gifts 1234567 I 1799 01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:58,680 get eight. 1800 01:52:59,610 --> 01:53:02,760 Dave Jones: Okay, we'll see. Let me try to skim the low because 1801 01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:07,620 this too much is like like seven paragraphs of material here. The 1802 01:53:07,620 --> 01:53:10,980 folks at Jupiter broadcasting are killing it right now. And 1803 01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:13,710 more of you should know about it. JB and their audience, an 1804 01:53:13,710 --> 01:53:15,930 army of highly technical computer geeks are building the 1805 01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:18,780 tooling and workflows necessary to automate instead of 1806 01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:22,020 generating not only their website as shows release, but 1807 01:53:22,020 --> 01:53:24,960 eventually also spit out a podcasting 2.0 compliant RSS 1808 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,780 feed, complete with advanced features like alternate 1809 01:53:27,780 --> 01:53:30,810 enclosures chapters lit tags for live shows and AI generated 1810 01:53:30,810 --> 01:53:36,900 transcripts JRB JB are building a completely self hosted back in 1811 01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:40,620 infrastructure to automatically process shows using available 1812 01:53:40,620 --> 01:53:44,370 open source tools like Hugo whisper and peer tube and tying 1813 01:53:44,370 --> 01:53:46,890 them together with their own tooling which they also released 1814 01:53:46,890 --> 01:53:50,940 as open source. This can become a monumental if not Cornerstone 1815 01:53:50,940 --> 01:53:55,620 public good for the PC 2.0 ecosystem. They have a very 1816 01:53:55,620 --> 01:53:58,710 talented community, but I think they might welcome help and 1817 01:53:58,710 --> 01:54:01,770 input as this could be such a great boon for podcasters 1818 01:54:01,770 --> 01:54:07,350 everywhere. They do a live video stream of shows one of their 1819 01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:09,570 listeners create a Docker container 1820 01:54:10,019 --> 01:54:11,189 Adam Curry: beautiful Borlaug. 1821 01:54:12,420 --> 01:54:13,710 Dave Jones: No this was Sir lurks a 1822 01:54:13,710 --> 01:54:16,320 Adam Curry: lot. Oh, because Borlaug did this how many how 1823 01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,610 many was each boost? 1824 01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:20,100 Dave Jones: 1337 1825 01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,460 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Alicia booth. Yes, got it, got 1826 01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:23,880 it got it. 1827 01:54:25,710 --> 01:54:29,280 Dave Jones: The hitless peer tube that you could spin up on a 1828 01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:32,520 $5 virtual host in the cloud and minutes on demand. The 1829 01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,090 implications of this are truly monumental. hitless peer tube is 1830 01:54:36,090 --> 01:54:39,060 what he's saying, yeah, if you can automatically spin up peer 1831 01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:40,770 to peer. It's also 1832 01:54:40,770 --> 01:54:43,410 Adam Curry: a good show title, headless peer tube, headless 1833 01:54:43,410 --> 01:54:47,550 Dave Jones: periods. If you can automatically spin up peer to 1834 01:54:47,550 --> 01:54:50,280 peers in data centers in the geographic regions, where 1835 01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,860 they're most needed during a live show you have a real viable 1836 01:54:52,860 --> 01:54:56,010 alternative to relying on platforms like YouTube with 1837 01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:58,830 their massive content delivery networks, you can spin up your 1838 01:54:58,830 --> 01:55:01,590 own lightning infrastructure. Light infrastructure on demand. 1839 01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:05,220 Adam Curry: I'm sure looks a lot might want to do his own 1840 01:55:05,220 --> 01:55:06,060 podcast. 1841 01:55:06,180 --> 01:55:09,510 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's what Yeah. So this two lane are 1842 01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:12,720 working on become if you can't support JB directly, they 1843 01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,980 consider supporting projects like peer to mean, I agree. 1844 01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:21,540 They're doing great stuff. And all that is. I mean, it's just 1845 01:55:21,570 --> 01:55:26,640 so important as talking about office hours, okay, so office 1846 01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:32,880 hours is the show that where Chris over there goes into sort 1847 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:39,030 of like the back, the back end. That's a good show. Yeah. And I 1848 01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:44,550 gotta do I think people should listen to that. Yeah, thank you, 1849 01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:47,400 sir. Looks like that. Thanks for just pointing out all of that. 1850 01:55:48,930 --> 01:55:52,050 It seemed more okay. So Borlaug, is when you're talking 10,000 1851 01:55:52,050 --> 01:55:56,310 SATs several times, several times. He says, I'm trying an 1852 01:55:56,310 --> 01:56:04,620 experiment ready dot dot dot and then say nothing else. Yes. 1853 01:56:04,620 --> 01:56:06,450 Thank you for putting up with that test. Yep. 1854 01:56:06,450 --> 01:56:10,170 Adam Curry: But he has seven times 10,000 SATs or eight times 1855 01:56:10,170 --> 01:56:13,680 10,000 steps 80,000 says what really love that and then I just 1856 01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:18,270 got a boost coming in 3333 Dave forgot to read my second fat 1857 01:56:18,270 --> 01:56:22,170 booster gram. I haven't forgotten it's coming. I know if 1858 01:56:22,170 --> 01:56:26,250 we're doing it in order CSB. He's up early. He's up early or 1859 01:56:26,250 --> 01:56:26,640 late. 1860 01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:31,980 Dave Jones: Let's see. Okay, you already got tonne Rick or you 1861 01:56:31,980 --> 01:56:35,040 got Mike. You got less. Yep. All right. So we're good. We're good 1862 01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:43,290 there. Did CSB this there's the delimiter Yep. 30 3015, DJ and 1863 01:56:43,290 --> 01:56:47,850 AC. Your magnanimous approach to the field of podcasting propels 1864 01:56:47,850 --> 01:56:52,200 the medium beyond stratospheric popularity. Let the in five in 1865 01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,040 be cut to death by the shattered shards of the glass ceiling you 1866 01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,940 blast through each week. There in the remnants of your wake, 1867 01:57:00,180 --> 01:57:05,280 you'll find AI dot cooking podcast, a podcast documenting 1868 01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:09,780 that which they call artificial and intelligent. Hosted by 1869 01:57:09,810 --> 01:57:13,080 ardent Beatles champion Gregory Forman. Yo. 1870 01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:18,030 Adam Curry: So CSB does the as has really been, and I don't 1871 01:57:18,030 --> 01:57:22,350 know if he writes it or, or Gregory Forman writes it I 1872 01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:28,680 accused him of using chat GPT which he adamantly refutes. But 1873 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:33,480 his boosts have been so I mean, it's every single show, every 1874 01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,750 single show I do. Now Tina even said, I'm gonna listen to this 1875 01:57:36,750 --> 01:57:42,660 damn show. I'm gonna listen to AI doc cooking. I gotta listen 1876 01:57:42,660 --> 01:57:45,240 to it. Now. I don't know if she has yet but she threatened to. 1877 01:57:45,870 --> 01:57:48,900 So those are and we have some monthlies. Maybe. 1878 01:57:49,770 --> 01:57:54,150 Dave Jones: Yeah, that is called that is the biblical strategy of 1879 01:57:54,420 --> 01:57:57,210 the baker going and beating on the door until you come to the 1880 01:57:57,210 --> 01:57:57,720 door. And so, 1881 01:57:58,350 --> 01:58:01,410 Adam Curry: yes, it works. It works. It works. It works. 1882 01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,100 Dave Jones: We do have some monthlies. We've got Trevor from 1883 01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:11,220 Xena where if $5 Paul Erskine $11.14 Michael Gagan $5 Charles 1884 01:58:11,220 --> 01:58:16,680 current $5 Shawn McCune $20 Thank you, Sean James Sullivan 1885 01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:22,980 $10 cone glotzbach $5 Christopher Raymer $10 Jordan 1886 01:58:22,980 --> 01:58:30,450 Dunnville $10 Lesley Martin $2 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Dred 1887 01:58:30,450 --> 01:58:34,530 Scott the Bruce Wayne of podcasting $15 Aaron Renaud $5, 1888 01:58:34,530 --> 01:58:36,510 and Pedro gun calvess $5. 1889 01:58:37,530 --> 01:58:40,200 Adam Curry: Wow, thank you all so much. This is two weeks worth 1890 01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,470 that's why he's a little bit longer. But you're listening to 1891 01:58:43,470 --> 01:58:47,820 the value for value model in its full glory. This is how you do 1892 01:58:47,820 --> 01:58:50,010 it. 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We really appreciate it. Thank you 1903 01:59:25,860 --> 01:59:28,500 so much. You keep the server's running. You keep everything 1904 01:59:28,500 --> 01:59:31,110 motivated. You keep the boardroom stocked with bagels, 1905 01:59:31,110 --> 01:59:32,610 we are very grateful. 1906 01:59:35,460 --> 01:59:39,180 Dave Jones: Somebody somebody needs to hire Stacey goers. She 1907 01:59:39,180 --> 01:59:39,840 lost her job. 1908 01:59:40,050 --> 01:59:45,030 Adam Curry: I sent her a message today. Yeah, I did too. I didn't 1909 01:59:45,090 --> 01:59:49,350 quite I mean, we know where I didn't quite feel comfortable 1910 01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:52,290 enough by saying hey, you should help this. This woman out with 1911 01:59:53,130 --> 01:59:55,200 with private parts. I don't know where 1912 01:59:57,300 --> 02:00:00,240 Dave Jones: Karen's got that one in the bag now but I 1913 02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:02,700 Adam Curry: did say hey anything we can do she said she got a lot 1914 02:00:02,700 --> 02:00:04,860 of people from the podcasting community reached out to her 1915 02:00:04,860 --> 02:00:08,010 which is always nice it shows course because it is a community 1916 02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:10,860 and connection is production. People got it. We got to stick 1917 02:00:10,860 --> 02:00:13,800 together because we're always under assault from somewhere. 1918 02:00:15,450 --> 02:00:19,500 Dave Jones: So she you know, she was our man on the inside that 1919 02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:24,540 NPR data at a headache at NPR than at a gas. Yeah. Yeah. So 1920 02:00:24,780 --> 02:00:29,010 she's never actually stayed anywhere long enough to see that 1921 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:37,500 to see 2.0 Produce fruit. So when cash is gonna bail? She No, 1922 02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:41,610 no, I'm saying like she was at NPR was a big advocate for 2.0. 1923 02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,730 And she left him with a cast before that came to fruition. 1924 02:00:44,730 --> 02:00:48,180 Yeah, I know. And then the same thing here some of our hope a 1925 02:00:48,180 --> 02:00:52,830 cast follows through on their yes on the journey PSP. 1926 02:00:52,830 --> 02:00:56,520 Adam Curry: Exactly. And if anyone's, you know, Stacy that 1927 02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,250 she's at Stacey on podcasting, next on social if you're looking 1928 02:00:59,250 --> 02:01:03,450 for it, reach out. All right, brother Dave, you know, almost 1929 02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:06,360 well, actually two hours on the nose. Not bad for this board 1930 02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,480 meeting. I'd been in much longer board meetings that were a lot 1931 02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:10,110 less fun. 1932 02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,710 Dave Jones: It's almost time for my next round of Tylenol. 1933 02:01:14,190 --> 02:01:17,820 Adam Curry: Tylenol and your beef milkshake. Yes. 1934 02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:20,940 Dave Jones: I've already been milkshake to myself to death 1935 02:01:20,940 --> 02:01:22,980 today. Filled with beef 1936 02:01:23,010 --> 02:01:25,140 Adam Curry: feel better brother. I'm sorry. Thanks for Thanks for 1937 02:01:25,170 --> 02:01:27,570 coming to the coming to the board meeting despite the fever 1938 02:01:27,570 --> 02:01:30,150 and all that get some get some rest fluids, etc. 1939 02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:35,310 Dave Jones: plenty of fluids. Yep, some. Some, some love some 1940 02:01:35,310 --> 02:01:37,890 love. You've got an issue. 1941 02:01:38,010 --> 02:01:42,510 Adam Curry: Okay. All right. All the love baby. I love you so 1942 02:01:42,510 --> 02:01:46,200 much. All right. Have a great weekend, brother. We'll talk to 1943 02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:50,220 you next week to everybody else. podcast 2.0 The board meeting. 1944 02:01:50,220 --> 02:01:52,140 Thanks for attending. See you next week right here 1945 02:02:07,980 --> 02:02:12,240 Unknown: have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1946 02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:19,260 index.org For more information on the show