Episode 130: For All The Drummers

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,520 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 For April 21 2023, episode 130 2 00:00:05,550 --> 00:00:11,130 for all the drummers out there. Oh man, it's Friday. Once again, 3 00:00:11,130 --> 00:00:15,000 it is time for podcasting. 2.0 the only boardroom that won't 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,540 accept a PowerPoint pitch from anybody. That's what we do hear. 5 00:00:18,570 --> 00:00:22,050 We're running with scissors and scotch tape. Everything 6 00:00:22,050 --> 00:00:26,730 happening in the current day age of modern podcasting, everything 7 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,820 going on with the namespace podcast index.org. And of course 8 00:00:29,820 --> 00:00:33,240 what we're all yapping about a podcast index dot social. I'm 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,670 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 10 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:39,090 Alabama, the coolest cucumber in disorganized product 11 00:00:39,090 --> 00:00:41,730 development. Say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies 12 00:00:41,730 --> 00:00:44,220 and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Dave Jones: We get the show is going down. It's going downhill. 14 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:50,640 Adam Curry: Why were plummeting? What do you mean? We're 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,160 plummeting? Oh, we're plummeting in the in the fountain chart? 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Dave Jones: No, we're in the OP threes. Have you seen our op 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,060 three page? It looks like a stuck look at the stock market. 18 00:01:00,210 --> 00:01:01,470 This is down down down down? 19 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:06,120 Adam Curry: To be honest. I never look at the OP three 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,710 pages. I don't have to that's not how value for value works. I 21 00:01:10,710 --> 00:01:13,980 don't care. Can I pay the rent is the question I ask every 22 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:17,550 month. That's pretty much it. And if I can't, then then we 23 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:18,240 have a problem. 24 00:01:18,690 --> 00:01:21,030 Dave Jones: Well, based on the donations today, we can't pay 25 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:21,300 the rent. 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,440 Adam Curry: You know, it has been tough across the board. 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,570 It's of course it's tax season. Although people should be 28 00:01:30,570 --> 00:01:33,990 starting to get refunds pretty soon. And we certainly encourage 29 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:36,330 you to give your refund to the project. 30 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:38,550 Dave Jones: It's like one of those sleazy businesses or like 31 00:01:38,550 --> 00:01:39,840 we'll give you an advance on you 32 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:43,470 Adam Curry: know, you don't yet know I mean, you know what we 33 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:47,850 John and I have successfully asked people to consider their 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,570 their their tax return as a bonus, and share some of that 35 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:53,550 with the show was value for value and people have done it 36 00:01:53,550 --> 00:01:57,300 consistently. It works really well. Not sleazy, you're talking 37 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:57,570 about 38 00:01:58,050 --> 00:02:00,810 Dave Jones: you know, those like, we'll give you a will 39 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:03,570 advance your tax refund. And we'll just keep you know, well. 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,220 Don't worry. We'll only keep like 15% 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,670 Adam Curry: Yes, I know those all too well. And here we go. 42 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:12,360 And people heard your call and once and we're we're racing. 43 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:14,970 It's the lid stuff that works and we are indeed lit that's 44 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:18,960 something you get with the with a with a funky, fresh new 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,070 podcast app. Let's see we have podcast attic, podcast, Guru, 46 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:29,400 pod verse, curio caster two of those at minimum with value for 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,670 value in there. But just the idea that you get your your 48 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:35,220 stream, you get your chat room, you get everything all where you 49 00:02:35,220 --> 00:02:38,880 get your podcasts and of course, in I think any podcasts and to 50 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,100 point out almost every single one of them. You can import your 51 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,540 old podcast subscriptions. Can you actually use you can export 52 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:49,620 them from Spotify? Probably not. You know, what am I thinking? 53 00:02:49,649 --> 00:02:53,819 Dave Jones: That's crazy talk, there's no way they would? They 54 00:02:53,819 --> 00:02:58,439 would they will do value for value before they let you export 55 00:02:58,439 --> 00:02:59,669 your feeds and OPML. 56 00:02:59,970 --> 00:03:03,210 Adam Curry: Did I read that? Spotify has capitulated. 57 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:06,990 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think they're capitulating across the 58 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:09,960 board. You hear they were talking about them being? I saw 59 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:12,870 James's coverage of this and they were like, We're open. 60 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:16,290 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. We know that they've applied 61 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:18,900 instead of saying, hey, you know what, we really couldn't make 62 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:22,410 the money we expected to offer the exclusives. Instead, they 63 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:25,470 say we've we've applied a windowing strategy, 64 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:28,320 Dave Jones: like the windowing strategy. 65 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:32,640 Adam Curry: Now a windowing strategy does it traditionally 66 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:35,640 comes from I believe, originally from motion pictures, where 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,530 you're first in the theater, then then you're on to like pay 68 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:45,120 movie channels back in the day, maybe HBO or Cinemax or 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,920 Showtime. And or maybe even pay per view first, I think you 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,130 could do on demand, and then it was one of the one of the 71 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:57,300 subscription services, then it would be you know, chopped up 72 00:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,960 into a movie of the week. And then it would be in syndication. 73 00:04:01,620 --> 00:04:03,780 And that's your windowing strategy, but it just doesn't 74 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:06,750 make sense anymore. I mean, there used to be even reasoning 75 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:09,660 strategies. Do you remember that when you could buy a DVD? It's 76 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:12,780 probably still the same way. You could buy a DVD in America, but 77 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:14,070 then you couldn't play it in Europe. 78 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:16,920 Dave Jones: Unless you the Blu Ray Blu Ray was saying is the 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,800 same way. Yeah, yeah. It's like It's like region encoded or 80 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,530 whatever I mean, which is, which is so stupid because you can buy 81 00:04:22,530 --> 00:04:25,320 a region free player. Yeah, the whole thing is just dumb. And 82 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:25,680 you only 83 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,990 Adam Curry: allowed to switch regions three times and then you 84 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:30,300 brick your device. I remember those days. 85 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:34,140 Dave Jones: These the streaming services though, in general are 86 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:39,090 just sucking wind. Like music streaming and movie streaming. 87 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,430 Adam Curry: Everybody's losing money. Everybody's losing money. 88 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:45,030 The Paramount plot lost $3 billion. Oh, just start up. They 89 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:46,050 own the content. 90 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:52,440 Dave Jones: My favorite, my favorite, it's so bad. It's so 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:59,970 bad. Now. That so if you if you only have a subscription to HBO 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,700 Max. Let's just Let's just do this. You know, hypothetical 93 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:09,510 sanity check. If you have a subscription to HBO Max. Yeah. 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,950 The one thing you would expect to be on HBO Max and available 95 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:19,350 at all times? Is the content that HBO max that HBO themselves 96 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:22,710 created? That's your own show. Yeah, that would seem logical. 97 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:27,630 Yes. That's not the case and why they've now they've now given 98 00:05:27,780 --> 00:05:31,140 exclusive rights to some of their shows to other streaming 99 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:34,830 platforms and taking it off their own platform. No way. We 100 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:38,610 only got through mimulus Only got through like, halfway 101 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,630 through season two of Westworld. Yeah, we went just on a on a 102 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:45,750 rare kid free night. The other night we were like, Hey, let's 103 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:49,170 let's go. Catch up. Try to catch up on Westworld. Yeah, we 104 00:05:49,170 --> 00:05:53,490 couldn't find it. On Max. They they, they gave it as an 105 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:55,740 exclusive to some other streaming platform and they've 106 00:05:55,740 --> 00:05:56,460 taken it off their 107 00:05:57,570 --> 00:06:02,670 Adam Curry: pathetic is that money? Yeah, I know. Oh, hold 108 00:06:02,670 --> 00:06:02,940 on. 109 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:05,910 Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, nice. 110 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:09,270 Adam Curry: 88,888 from the Bruce Wayne podcast and Dr. 111 00:06:09,270 --> 00:06:15,150 Scott. Thank you. And there's an anonymous person out there. 112 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,920 Unknown: Shot Caller 20. His blades on him. Paula 113 00:06:19,950 --> 00:06:24,450 Adam Curry: 121212121212. Anonymous. That's big from 114 00:06:24,450 --> 00:06:26,310 anonymous. Thank you very much anonymous, and 115 00:06:26,310 --> 00:06:28,500 Dave Jones: we'd love Yes, Nathan, the MK Ultra chat is 116 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:29,610 running this week I posted. 117 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:33,600 Adam Curry: So how do I get into MK Ultra chat? Is that? Did you 118 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,650 post that somewhere? 119 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:39,420 Dave Jones: Almost just pasted in and hit Enter on my private 120 00:06:39,420 --> 00:06:40,800 key. That was no no, no. 121 00:06:42,630 --> 00:06:44,550 Adam Curry: Although fun, although 122 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:47,730 Unknown: I would have been a ball. So how 123 00:06:47,730 --> 00:06:50,460 Adam Curry: do people get into that? I mean, how did Nathan get 124 00:06:50,460 --> 00:06:51,690 it? How did you even know about it? 125 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:56,520 Dave Jones: You put the link in the chat? Oh, I didn't see that. 126 00:06:56,550 --> 00:07:00,150 Okay. Yeah, it's better now. It's better. Still got it's 127 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:02,310 still rough around the edges. But it's, but it's better. 128 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:04,410 Adam Curry: It remembers me. That's cool. Okay. 129 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,990 Dave Jones: How'd you get an A? Oh, 130 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:10,020 Adam Curry: yeah. Remember me right away? Oh, give permission 131 00:07:10,050 --> 00:07:11,700 authorized forever. Okay. 132 00:07:12,690 --> 00:07:15,360 Dave Jones: Oh, you're so this was what was wrong with it last 133 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:21,990 week is the son the signing from the extensions. From the 134 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:27,030 extension, the nostre extensions was not working. So that was 135 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:31,200 throwing everything off, that I had to go deep dive into that 136 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:37,380 turns out that the nostre tools JavaScript library, which 137 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:43,410 underpins the nos 2x, browser extension for noster. Those are 138 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:44,670 two different versions. Well, this 139 00:07:44,670 --> 00:07:46,410 Adam Curry: is Oh, it's not working for me. Actually, 140 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,250 interestingly enough. Let's see, what's it doing? Well, I see my 141 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:53,820 little icon there. So I'm, I'm in the boardroom. I type 142 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:58,830 something like Hello. And I click on enter and it doesn't 143 00:07:58,830 --> 00:07:59,280 show up. 144 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,250 Dave Jones: That you logged in. Well, I 145 00:08:02,250 --> 00:08:04,170 Adam Curry: didn't have to log in. It just showed up. My 146 00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:06,000 picture. Was there. Do I have to log in again, 147 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:08,610 Dave Jones: do no do a hard refresh on your browser do like 148 00:08:08,610 --> 00:08:12,870 a control shift are hard because you may you may have the old 149 00:08:12,870 --> 00:08:16,110 JavaScript code from previous iteration. 150 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:20,010 Unknown: Okay, let's see. I don't like 151 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,980 Dave Jones: the old JavaScript browser extension talk. 152 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,380 Adam Curry: No, it's not working man. 153 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:29,850 Dave Jones: Why did you? What a downer? Well, I'm looking for 154 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:30,240 me. 155 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,080 Adam Curry: Okay, I'm gonna do another hard refresh. Our 156 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,650 refresh. The men's socks is broken. Are you 157 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:43,650 Dave Jones: already logged in? Yes. How do I log in, log out 158 00:08:43,650 --> 00:08:46,440 and log back in? How do I let you log out by clicking on your 159 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,000 little avatar at the top? Let's 160 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:53,790 Adam Curry: log out. Okay, bye. Okay, I go back to the rosters 161 00:08:55,620 --> 00:08:59,160 announced this chat to your noster feed. Sure. I'll be fun. 162 00:08:59,190 --> 00:08:59,670 Okay. 163 00:09:00,150 --> 00:09:02,700 Dave Jones: Just Adam curry just entered the room. Yes. Hey, Oh, 164 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,010 okay. Well, hey. All right. There 165 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:07,170 Adam Curry: we go. All right. Hey, it works nice. So let's 166 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:09,300 talk about that right away. What what are we doing with this 167 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:11,100 thing? This is cool. I think. 168 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:17,280 Dave Jones: Well, it's funny in a funny way, this encompasses a 169 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,750 lot of stuff that we kind of need to talk about. Okay. Um, 170 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:25,140 Adam Curry: oh, um, hold on one sec. I'm just looking at okay. 171 00:09:25,620 --> 00:09:28,830 I'm just looking at my my nostro account and it says I joined the 172 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:32,670 live stream chat. Yeah, that's right. Oh, so now people from 173 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:38,040 the snap store can come in nostril from nostril? Yeah. Oh, 174 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,240 that's kind of cool. 175 00:09:39,810 --> 00:09:44,040 Dave Jones: Yeah, nice. If you have a nostril account, identity 176 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,530 already. You bring it you can bring it to the MK Ultra chat 177 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:53,160 and just log straight in. And then if you if you go up there 178 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,310 to your next to your profile next to your profile picture at 179 00:09:56,310 --> 00:10:01,020 the top and uncheck that box. Yeah. Then you whenever you post 180 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:06,120 something, it will not only go into the chat, it will also get 181 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,390 posted back out to your nostril relays. So it's a two way 182 00:10:09,390 --> 00:10:10,860 street. It comes in and out. 183 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:17,190 Adam Curry: This is pretty dynamite. Dave. I like it. Yeah. 184 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:22,050 Okay. Okay, now, this is MK Ultra. So Supposedly, this would 185 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:26,280 also work with IRC when there's a bridge built to it. And then 186 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:29,220 what I type in here would also go back to IRC and what comes 187 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:30,810 from IRC would also come in here. 188 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:35,880 Dave Jones: And, and activity pub. Wow, all of all of the 189 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,370 above. So the way you launch this thing is with Oh, James is 190 00:10:41,370 --> 00:10:46,080 listening live that's rare for him. So there's, the way this 191 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,360 thing sort of works is when you launch the the WebSocket. back 192 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,010 end for this, you give it a unique identifier, which becomes 193 00:10:56,010 --> 00:11:01,110 that Cid equals up in the URL bar. Yeah. And then you also 194 00:11:01,110 --> 00:11:09,720 give it a a private Oh, excuse me a public key. So this, this 195 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,290 would all like you, you can see the linkages that would happen 196 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:15,690 here. So you could give it an activity pub account you can 197 00:11:15,690 --> 00:11:20,250 give it you give it all these things. And then it begins to 198 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:24,600 pull all this will start to pull all this stuff in the the final 199 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,330 bit of the nostril part of this I'm doing is trying to get as 200 00:11:27,330 --> 00:11:30,300 the subscribe the nostril subscriber process, which is 201 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:36,630 which will go out there. And if you hashtag the session ID 202 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,810 that's the ID equals the web, the blah, blah, blah. So if you 203 00:11:39,810 --> 00:11:44,100 hashtag that on a nostril relay, it would pull those posts back 204 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:48,570 into the chat. Wow. Okay, that's pretty cool. That is proving to 205 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:52,620 be pretty challenging. I can imagine it's more dis more 206 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:58,410 difficult than I thought it was going to be. But, so I went I 207 00:11:58,410 --> 00:12:00,450 went to the Bitcoin Bible study Monday night, 208 00:12:00,839 --> 00:12:03,569 Adam Curry: is that what is called Bitcoin Bible study? No, 209 00:12:03,569 --> 00:12:06,179 that's just what I call it. The Bitcoin meter because you know, 210 00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:09,899 there is a Thank God it's Bitcoin going on in Miami. They 211 00:12:09,899 --> 00:12:12,959 keep asking me to come to Christian Bitcoin. Yeah, yeah, 212 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:17,759 no, seriously is. Yeah, it's the it's the guy who wrote the two 213 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:20,639 guys who wrote the book, thank God for Bitcoin and they have a 214 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:23,969 conference and pastors calm and all kinds of people come there. 215 00:12:23,999 --> 00:12:27,659 I mean, if it wasn't Miami, I would you know, I would consider 216 00:12:27,659 --> 00:12:27,899 it 217 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:31,080 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, like we've already spent way too much 218 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,970 time in Miami for your entire life. Thank 219 00:12:32,970 --> 00:12:35,970 Adam Curry: you. Excellent point. All right. So the Bitcoin 220 00:12:35,970 --> 00:12:38,640 Bible study and let me guess there was a couple of gnostic 221 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,330 dudes there. 222 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:43,650 Dave Jones: There was there was a really big nostre dude, their 223 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:52,080 guy named Randy from the Bitcoin what's it called the Bitcoin? 224 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:55,470 Adam Curry: Park Bitcoin barking? Market? National. Sure, 225 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:58,050 sure. Sure. Yeah. Which is the old Florida Georgia Line 226 00:12:58,050 --> 00:12:58,740 studios. 227 00:12:59,550 --> 00:13:01,410 Dave Jones: Is that what that okay, they converted it well, 228 00:13:01,410 --> 00:13:01,860 no, those 229 00:13:01,890 --> 00:13:05,610 Adam Curry: those guys broke up the band but basically imploded. 230 00:13:06,390 --> 00:13:09,420 And they just had opened these really cool studio, so they had 231 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:13,080 to do something with it. So I think it became Bitcoin. Bitcoin 232 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:13,530 Park. 233 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,260 Dave Jones: Well, the super nice dude. And he's like, he's like 234 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:23,580 Mr. noster. He's all over it. Mr. noster. Jones brand 235 00:13:23,580 --> 00:13:24,270 ambassador. 236 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:25,800 Adam Curry: Yeah. 237 00:13:26,189 --> 00:13:28,619 Dave Jones: So we were you know, I got it was great, though. I 238 00:13:28,619 --> 00:13:31,619 got to chat with him and like, pepper him with all the 239 00:13:31,619 --> 00:13:38,129 questions because I'm knee deep in this code. And I found out 240 00:13:38,129 --> 00:13:45,929 some I found out some some things. Okay. So my question 241 00:13:45,929 --> 00:13:52,019 right off the bat was, if I, I'm having, you know, have you have 242 00:13:52,019 --> 00:13:55,559 difficulty finding identities? Yes. 243 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,900 Adam Curry: Because because they don't post the relays don't 244 00:13:57,900 --> 00:13:59,700 crossover. Right. 245 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,220 Dave Jones: He said, That noster dot wine. Do you know that? 246 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:10,890 Really? No. Okay, it's nostrud dot wine, like the drink Wi Fi. 247 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:19,170 He said that relay cross posts, amongst other relays. Oh, cool. 248 00:14:19,170 --> 00:14:22,320 Yeah, that's basically it looks for and it looks for users that 249 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:28,080 come in, and it finds new user identities and reel in and 250 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,040 reposts those metadata events to all the other relies it knows 251 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:37,590 about. So it's sort of like it's, it's, we call it spreading 252 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:42,360 the, the identities around the network as best it can. This is 253 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:48,600 obviously this is a good thing, you know, for sure. But it's 254 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,910 also very centralized. It's a single Oh, 255 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:54,390 Adam Curry: no, of course, and, and it's bound to fail because 256 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:58,500 unlike what we did, there's no you know, there's there's no 257 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:00,990 incentive model. It's just not built got into it. Yeah, you can 258 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:05,070 say, oh people, would you please zap me. But there's not really 259 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,300 an incentive model. 260 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:11,430 Dave Jones: Yeah. And so that's. So that was kind of my first 261 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:17,280 learnings. That was this. This thing is kind of what we thought 262 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:24,030 it was. It's it's got, it's got weak points, for sure. And 263 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:30,450 they're being shored up by sort of kind citizens and instant and 264 00:15:30,450 --> 00:15:31,560 single points of failure. 265 00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:37,200 Adam Curry: And single points of failure. If anyone else was 266 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,290 Noster, hips, kind citizens and single points of failure. 267 00:15:41,970 --> 00:15:48,360 Dave Jones: But it was funny because this this is like I get 268 00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:53,790 it sort of touched with my journey with within this entire 269 00:15:53,790 --> 00:15:58,710 thing, because I've been struggling to figure out exactly 270 00:15:58,710 --> 00:16:02,070 what it is that I'm trying to accomplish with this. I mean, 271 00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:05,040 there's an immediate there's an immediate thing, which is 272 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:11,160 obviously live chat room. For for a podcaster. That's easy to 273 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,880 spin up and down. Right? That's, that's the obvious and that 274 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,110 there's a bigger issue. 275 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:19,320 Adam Curry: It's still running on the podcast index. 276 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:21,000 Infrastructure. 277 00:16:21,959 --> 00:16:24,929 Dave Jones: Yes, yes. This one is because it's a test server, 278 00:16:24,929 --> 00:16:28,139 but this could be Dockerized in five minutes and spun up 279 00:16:28,139 --> 00:16:31,979 anywhere you wanted to spin it up on Umbral wherever it doesn't 280 00:16:31,979 --> 00:16:34,829 matter. Cool. Very, very low, 281 00:16:34,830 --> 00:16:37,890 Adam Curry: not really on an umbrella because you need to 282 00:16:37,890 --> 00:16:42,090 then have SSL certs and all that stuff. It's not that simple. 283 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:46,470 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, you could Yeah. True. I mean, if you 284 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:49,890 had if you have us, you could run it on a is running on a $5. 285 00:16:49,890 --> 00:16:50,160 Net. 286 00:16:51,660 --> 00:16:53,040 Adam Curry: Yeah, okay. Got ya got it. 287 00:16:54,270 --> 00:17:00,870 Dave Jones: Very, very low resource. So, you know, this, 288 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:08,760 this, the broader thing here, that goes beyond just this 289 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:17,340 immediate use case of of live chat? is where do you Central? 290 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:21,780 Where do you decentralized or centralized things? And I think 291 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:26,400 this is sort of a theme of what we're of what we're kind of 292 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,090 dealing with across the board. A lot of various issues. Yes. 293 00:17:30,690 --> 00:17:33,450 Adam Curry: Yes. A lot of things being discussed on the GitHub. 294 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:33,960 Yes. 295 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:39,930 Dave Jones: So, you know, a thing can be here. So here's 296 00:17:39,930 --> 00:17:42,660 the, here's the first sort of like, piece that, because I was 297 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:45,780 talking, I was chatting with Alex and I was like, trying to, 298 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,540 you know, he was saying, you know, what exactly is it that 299 00:17:48,540 --> 00:17:53,670 you're trying to do? And I was like, you know, I know what I'm 300 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:57,900 trying to do, but I don't know how to explain it to you. And 301 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:00,630 I'm glad he asked me the question because otherwise I 302 00:18:00,630 --> 00:18:04,950 would I would just be still living in my head. So this is 303 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:07,950 this idea of where does the centralization or 304 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:11,430 decentralization happen at what point in the in the stack so to 305 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:17,370 speak, if you think about it, noster really isn't that much 306 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:23,250 different. It wants to be different. But in practice, it's 307 00:18:23,250 --> 00:18:26,250 really not that much different than an activity than a mastodon 308 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:33,780 server. You could have so look at what MK Ultra is, or is about 309 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:40,980 to be a private relay. With chat. Okay, so that's not much 310 00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:41,580 different 311 00:18:41,610 --> 00:18:45,630 Adam Curry: than an activity pub server with lying around. 312 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:50,610 Dave Jones: Yeah, sure. Mastodon Yeah. So that's the, if you 313 00:18:50,610 --> 00:18:57,810 think about it like that. What what Matt, what noster wants to 314 00:18:57,810 --> 00:19:02,160 be in this is sort of the weakness of the way that that 315 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,280 has been talked about and sold is right out of the gate. It's 316 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,070 always, you know, censorship resistant. 317 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,270 Adam Curry: Pura Pura Vida, Pura Vida. 318 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:16,710 Dave Jones: Yeah, right. It's not it's not answerable. I can 319 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:19,980 guarantee you if China wanted to censor and get rid of all of the 320 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:23,400 noster relays they could do it in two seconds. It's just not 321 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,160 that's not that's not the way to talk about this thing. And it's 322 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,760 also not It's not Bitcoin no noster doesn't have anything to 323 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,910 do with Bitcoin it's a completely different thing. So 324 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:39,510 it's just happens to be that a Bitcoin guy wrote in so all the 325 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:40,800 Bitcoin guys it's 326 00:19:41,129 --> 00:19:44,159 Adam Curry: it's like the beef initiative is not really 327 00:19:44,159 --> 00:19:47,009 connected to Bitcoin just happens that Bitcoiners 328 00:19:47,489 --> 00:19:51,509 gravitated towards buying beef from ranchers with Bitcoin you 329 00:19:51,509 --> 00:19:55,109 can buy with your credit card. It's the same as the same thing 330 00:19:55,109 --> 00:19:59,459 it's just associated and then but they did add the zaps and 331 00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:01,889 that you know, which is all Lightning Network and that kind 332 00:20:01,889 --> 00:20:05,159 of they are. That's something that we discovered early on is 333 00:20:05,159 --> 00:20:09,599 when you give people a way to use their Satoshis, or the 334 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:11,729 Lightning Network, they will use them. 335 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:16,800 Dave Jones: Yes. Yep. Good point. That that's like that's 336 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:22,020 the the first thing that sort of like hits you is the identities 337 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:25,020 part is what drives the whole thing. That's that's sort of the 338 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:30,210 key. Yes. Genius part of this. Yep. And it's not that nobody 339 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:32,430 else thought has thought of distributed identities. It's 340 00:20:32,430 --> 00:20:36,150 just that I think that nostril made it very easily, ballistic 341 00:20:36,150 --> 00:20:36,570 system. 342 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:39,270 Adam Curry: And I would add to that, that exactly what you did 343 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:41,820 here. And I think this is one of the coolest things built with 344 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:44,730 noster. So far, if you don't mind me saying, because what I 345 00:20:44,730 --> 00:20:47,100 don't mind you saying? And I'll say it a couple more times one 346 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:50,040 of the coolest things ever built for Nasir. And why is it cool? 347 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:53,910 Because the minute I'm signing into this chat room, which is 348 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:57,360 you know, connect to something else, I can immediately post 349 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,960 that to my nostril feed, you know, so you can you can post to 350 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,930 a different relay a different community, a different group, 351 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:08,640 whatever it is, that I find that incredibly cool, because I did 352 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,360 it without a whole lot of rigmarole and cross posting, I 353 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,540 just I just checked the box and say, yeah, oh, yeah, let 354 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:18,300 everyone know that I'm over here. And then people can use 355 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,540 that same identity and come in or they can spin up a new one, 356 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:26,400 of course, and they can come over and come in here. So it's I 357 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,980 think I've always said it's like the idea that I don't have to 358 00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:31,500 sign on to everything. That's just the stuff that it works 359 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,740 with. It's almost like like a booster gram split by out of 360 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:37,980 split, boom, I got stats, you know, this world that I like 361 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:38,520 living in. 362 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:42,210 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good point. So like the throwaway 363 00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:45,990 nature of the identities is what concerned me at the very 364 00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:50,490 beginning, I was like, you know, I'm very I'm worried about the 365 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,570 these these digital identities, the encryption encrypted, I 366 00:21:54,570 --> 00:21:57,960 don't want you know, I don't want that it's kind of freaky. 367 00:21:58,020 --> 00:22:00,780 And so the fact that you can throw them away guy who 368 00:22:00,780 --> 00:22:02,790 Adam Curry: uses LastPass I mean, come on. 369 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,080 Dave Jones: Well, like there's I don't know if there's this old 370 00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:11,220 episode of Robot Chicken, you know, Robot Chicken. No. Like 371 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:14,520 the I forgot what she was on Comedy Central for a while. But 372 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,370 there's this old Star Wars Episode of Robot Chicken where 373 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:20,850 he's like, where the, the employees of the Deathstar. 374 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:25,650 They're like, they're talking to the new guy. And they're saying, 375 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,680 okay, look, if Darth Vader acts like he's choking you like with 376 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,250 his forced choke thing? Yeah, just just go with him pretend 377 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:39,210 that you died. Because he really doesn't have that power, but he 378 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:42,630 thinks he does. And if he knows that he doesn't have it, then 379 00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:45,660 he'll just kill us with his lightsaber. So pretend to die 380 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:48,960 when he tries to fit in like choke you in the air with this. 381 00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:53,310 I got it I got the and then go out of when they when the gas 382 00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:56,790 come and take drag you out of the room. Then you can read you 383 00:22:56,790 --> 00:22:59,520 can dress up in different clothes and put on put on some 384 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,560 glasses and come back in the room and change your name and 385 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,090 you're good to go. Right. That's what this that's what this is 386 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:07,980 this yester identities exam. 387 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:13,470 Unknown: Shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula. 388 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:17,430 Adam Curry: You said magic words. Dave? We're not paying 389 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:21,450 the rent this week. Yeah, there's a 101 a 1010. From Mike 390 00:23:21,450 --> 00:23:24,930 Newman. Thank you, Mike. Still here on my boostin keep on 391 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:27,480 keeping on sally forth. This is the way. 392 00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:30,570 Dave Jones: Yes. Thank you, Mikey. Mike. Appreciate it. 393 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,030 Yeah, but see me with that. So you're communicating with a 394 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:42,810 single server in this instance. And that is really not that's 395 00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:48,690 not a bad thing. I think that's really where where this comes 396 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:50,730 down to is like, where in the stack? Are we going to 397 00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:53,490 decentralize podcasts. Let's just take a step back. 398 00:23:53,490 --> 00:24:00,120 Podcasting is a very centralized thing. We don't we don't think 399 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:04,170 about it that way. But there's very few CD look, take a look at 400 00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:06,810 John Spurlock's analysis of how many CD ends there are 401 00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:08,190 Adam Curry: like eight or something is that's 402 00:24:09,780 --> 00:24:13,650 Dave Jones: yeah, and not a no and probably 70% of podcasts are 403 00:24:13,650 --> 00:24:20,220 served out of about three. There, there's very little. So 404 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:23,520 once you get back past there and get down into the sort of like 405 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,290 bottom 5%, then you start to get a lot of dispersion. But for the 406 00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:32,340 most part, podcasting is very centralized on the delivery 407 00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:35,580 front. And it's something we're not going to change and we don't 408 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:39,930 necessarily need to change that. We really don't like that. 409 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,470 Changing that if you want to go let's say you wanted to go fully 410 00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:47,970 decentralized all the way down the stack to the bottom. That is 411 00:24:48,030 --> 00:24:51,300 difficult, very difficult. You're gonna have to start using 412 00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:55,800 like a DHT type system, and that kind of thing and you're, you're 413 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,760 going you're not we're not going to get anywhere with that in the 414 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,030 current The landscape because the need is not there. Right 415 00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:07,140 now, if, if the need ever became severe, like if there was ever a 416 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:09,780 huge like, you know, I don't know government crackdowns or 417 00:25:09,780 --> 00:25:13,440 whatever you want to say something like that, well, then, 418 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:17,370 then those other solutions are there to be rolled and we could 419 00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:20,670 roll them. But for the what for the way that things are now 420 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,640 Adam Curry: really don't have to worry about it too much. No. And 421 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,390 Dave Jones: so I think that the the sort of, I'm thinking of it 422 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:32,100 is more or less in terms of decentralization than sort of re 423 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:37,290 centralization. And what I mean is like, if you it's not like 424 00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:41,370 oxygen, where it's just available in the air everywhere 425 00:25:41,370 --> 00:25:44,700 around you. That's not really what we want to go for. We want 426 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:51,420 to go for more of a model of like gas stations or libraries, 427 00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:54,480 where if this one's closed, 428 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:58,589 Adam Curry: you can move on to down. Here's, here's me 429 00:25:58,619 --> 00:26:03,449 immediately when I want from this, is, I want the IRC bridge. 430 00:26:03,449 --> 00:26:05,459 But that's not even the most important thing, strangely 431 00:26:05,459 --> 00:26:12,809 enough, I want the boost bot. So and here's a way actually, that 432 00:26:13,499 --> 00:26:16,709 here's a money making opportunity. These things pop 433 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:23,069 into my head, I will gladly put a split into my value block in 434 00:26:23,069 --> 00:26:30,539 order to have a chat set up and hosted, which includes any 435 00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:34,619 booster grams that come into that split? How about that? 436 00:26:34,619 --> 00:26:34,829 Yeah, 437 00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,590 Dave Jones: well, that was the original idea for MK Ultra. So 438 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:40,350 they didn't like it in booster grams as well. I like it. So it 439 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:44,010 becomes a huge supercharged so remember, the ultimate goal also 440 00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:48,240 of MK Ultra is that, at the end of the chat set at the end of 441 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,460 the show, you export the transcript of all the comments 442 00:26:53,490 --> 00:27:00,870 out and it becomes a super chat, a super chat dialogue that can 443 00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:04,110 replay along with the published episodes so that you can see in 444 00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:07,560 real time where the booths came in where the chat right comments 445 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,790 happened. Right, right, right. And I love that by the way that 446 00:27:11,790 --> 00:27:15,780 that control is also controlled by the check box. So by default, 447 00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:19,350 everything's checked, the check box is checked. And if that's 448 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:24,150 checked, then your comments will not be output in the final 449 00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:27,780 transcript. If it's unchecked, and then they will go that 450 00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:30,750 you're telling you're letting the chat room know I'm okay with 451 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:32,820 my comments being part of the published 452 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,210 Adam Curry: God transcript God Oh, yeah, that's a femoral. Got 453 00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:37,980 it. Privacy by default 454 00:27:37,980 --> 00:27:41,970 Dave Jones: is what this is. And then then you you can control it 455 00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:48,120 by the checkbox. But, but I think this, this also like, sort 456 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,570 of like, step in and stop me if you want to jump in here. I'm 457 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:53,040 just I'm kind of Soliloquy homeless. 458 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,480 Adam Curry: And I'm just listening. I'm loving. I'm 459 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,380 seeing people coming in from noster. Because I yeah, I 460 00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:02,100 announced it and I did I unclick the box for a moment found a bug 461 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,890 too. We'll talk about that later. Okay. You know, me 462 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,700 breaking stuff. 463 00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:08,550 Dave Jones: That's what you're valuable. 464 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,520 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm valuable. Thank you. 465 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,740 Dave Jones: Values. 466 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,250 Adam Curry: I mean, useful wagon. Yeah, I mean, I 467 00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:20,460 immediately like this, I immediately am drawn to it, not 468 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,630 just back to the centralization. This stream is centralized. 469 00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:31,020 There are like 25 shows that run on no agenda stream.com and run 470 00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:34,650 on the same IRC server, which is void zero server. It's been that 471 00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:39,930 way for 14 years. And it is entirely centralized. We're just 472 00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:44,280 using a different room. So I really dig the idea of of 473 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,980 spawning this out. And brother I have if we're done with this, I 474 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,310 can move on to the next thing I've been thinking about. Okay, 475 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,260 unless there's more you want to finish this up. 476 00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,560 Dave Jones: There there I want to talk about Daniel J. Lewis, 477 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,190 his comments thing, but but I can probably fit it in anywhere. 478 00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:02,910 So go ahead. 479 00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:08,460 Adam Curry: Let's do that. Let's let's move from that. And I'll 480 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:12,030 come in, cuz I got stuff about music, but it also is related to 481 00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:15,600 that. It's just been a lot going on. And what happened was, we 482 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,210 had a meet up, and I flew to Nashville. 483 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:20,220 Dave Jones: Yeah. How 484 00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:24,300 Adam Curry: was that go by so I flew, right. And we took my 485 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:28,200 instructor and Tina she knows Tina had never been in a four 486 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,900 seater before. Now this is a very you know, you're I rented 487 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,530 this plane, I could not afford to buy it. This is like a $1.3 488 00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:37,410 million plane has a parachute. It's like a you know, it's like 489 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:42,780 a luxury sports car in the air. And now Nashville, turns out 490 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:47,910 it's pretty far. Three and a half hours. And the whole point 491 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:52,530 for me was it was a I saved up all of my a lot of my instrument 492 00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,760 instruction lessons and took this because I actually had, you 493 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,510 know, three and a half hours to really look at this The Garmin 494 00:30:00,510 --> 00:30:04,200 1000 You know, just flying, you know, a lesson for an hour and a 495 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,810 half every couple of weeks, you don't really get into it. It's 496 00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:10,650 like, like a Chinese menu on a phone. You know, it's like you 497 00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:14,550 got, there's a lot of menus and sub menus and a lot of stuff 498 00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:17,760 going on. So once I'd figured that out after an hour, you 499 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,450 know, it's pretty boring. By the way, I just have to tell you one 500 00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:25,620 thing. So on departure Monday morning, we're at Gillespie 501 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,720 airport, which is five minutes from our house. Everything's 502 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,380 beautiful, right? Amy Lynn has brought the plane she's my my 503 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,370 instructor. It's all filled up. We're good to go. We get in Tina 504 00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:38,040 has done her like okay, it's pretty small. It's roomy, 505 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,350 actually in the back. It's quite roomy, his leather seats, you 506 00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:45,450 know, it's comfortable. And so there's one runway, and it's a 507 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,420 it's a pilot controlled airfield, so there's no tower 508 00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:51,840 and you basically talk to each other. And the wind was 509 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,770 variable. So was five knots one this direction five knots, that 510 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,530 direction moved around. So we decided we're going to take off 511 00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:02,070 07. So we're at the end of the runway, not on the runway, but 512 00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:04,620 you know, you're holding short of the runway, and we're waiting 513 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,520 for this one lady who's coming in from Austin, I think to land 514 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,900 and she decided to land the opposite direction, which is 515 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,020 okay, but when then you have wind at your back. And you know, 516 00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:18,570 it can be a little tricky. You want to land and take off into 517 00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:21,570 the wind. We're watching her because we're gonna we're gonna 518 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:25,050 line up and take off once she's off the runway. We're watching 519 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:30,000 her land, she bounces bounces up 30 feet and crash lands right in 520 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,440 front of us. Like, oh, no GearSlutz than it knows that it 521 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200 didn't go all the way over noses over the prop hits the ground, 522 00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:41,700 lot of dust. And Tina goes. I didn't need to see that. 523 00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:45,090 Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, that's bad to say, this is not a good 524 00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:48,840 thing. I mean, kudos that she did not bail out. 525 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:52,140 Adam Curry: Oh, man. She is the bravest passenger I've ever seen 526 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,750 in my life. She actually said, No, it's in God's hands. Let's 527 00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:57,180 go. But we had to wait for an hour. And it was a whole bunch 528 00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:59,760 of stuff going on. But I've never seen a crash land in my 529 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,310 life. Neither of my instructors like one of those things. And 530 00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:05,580 when we're on our way for this long trip, and Tina sees as 531 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,520 like, holy crap, can't believe that. Anyway, 532 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,930 Dave Jones: man is like, what she's what she inside, like 533 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,110 really kind of freaking out who she was she nervous? 534 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Adam Curry: She said this. And that doesn't make me happy, I 535 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,160 think is what she said. She said, No, I'm good. I'm good. 536 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,990 What are the chances of something happened again? 537 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,230 Anyway, so the night before, we had just been to see Mercy Me in 538 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:32,610 San Antonio. And I'd never really quite been to a show like 539 00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:35,700 that. And there was a lot going on with screens. And the 540 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:38,280 audience was fantastic. These guys are all no agenda fans of 541 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,670 them. It was a whole love fest. But it's been a while since I've 542 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:46,080 been to a concert with 3000 people. So as always impresses 543 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,830 me, you know, the live concert. And then in Nashville, we're in 544 00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:53,880 Nashville. I'm talking to Jeff Smith. So I came back and we had 545 00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:57,390 headwind on the way back, so it was even a longer trip. So my 546 00:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,260 head is just filled with music ideas. Now, back to the 547 00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:06,090 comments. Back Back to the comments. Daniel Jays comments, 548 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:11,130 because what's happened here is my eyes glazed over the same on 549 00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:16,110 the GitHub, and it took me a long time to kind of parse 550 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:22,380 through it and figure out maybe it's a good starting point. I 551 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:24,330 forget all the reasoning, because I think that's actually 552 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:28,110 the biggest distraction. The the reason why nothing has been 553 00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:30,660 implemented, why activity pub isn't all the way there or 554 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,570 hasn't been done all the way yet. I think it has nothing to 555 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:38,820 do with technology. The way I see it is, of course, there the 556 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:47,490 podcasts or creates, in essence, a rude comment and uses some non 557 00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:51,660 existent API server that adds these comments to pretty much a 558 00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:56,130 single file. So an app then only has to do two things. It has to 559 00:33:56,130 --> 00:34:00,330 suck in that file to display the comments, then it has to provide 560 00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:05,970 a web hook from the app to the API server, which does not exist 561 00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:09,690 yet the same as this, you know, same as the this chat server 562 00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:12,870 doesn't exist yet. Yeah, we have one. But the podcaster would 563 00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:15,660 have to have that or have access to that. And that's what you 564 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:19,140 post, it adds to the file and then the file is parsed. It 565 00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:23,070 seems like a pretty simple idea. Is that is that kind of the way 566 00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:24,450 and is that a correct view of it? 567 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,310 Dave Jones: Yes, I think so. It's Yes, it's not it's an API 568 00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:35,490 that is just in the IDF are in the build phase at this at this 569 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:41,400 point. But it's supposed to be a simple. The podcast app just 570 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,830 sends a single API request to post the comment. It gets stored 571 00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:50,790 in an in a JSON file after it allows for moderation by the 572 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:55,290 podcaster. And then it's immediately available that JSON 573 00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:57,510 file is immediately available to be sending. Yes. 574 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,160 Adam Curry: And and luckily There was a flag in there that 575 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,130 you can go back to moderate it later and not have to moderate 576 00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,910 every single post. I would not want to do that. That sounds 577 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,120 sounds pretty simple. I don't know exactly how much different 578 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,600 it is from what you know. Or if it's something we need to stop 579 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,330 and do that instead of the activity pub, which seems to be 580 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:22,740 so close yet so far away. So what are your thoughts pod sage? 581 00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:26,970 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, what are your thoughts first? 582 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:33,000 Adam Curry: My Well, I have different thoughts. Because what 583 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,070 I'm really, and I put this on the social and no one responded 584 00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:43,260 to it, which means I'm probably right on the mark. It appears to 585 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:48,060 me that the biggest problem with this particular feature is that 586 00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:52,320 is being talked about as if it's a podcast, podcast or feature. 587 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,640 And I, I have to kind of disagree. It is a podcast app 588 00:35:56,670 --> 00:36:02,790 feature. And, and and, and I remember from over two years 589 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:06,300 ago, when when we started cross app comments, this is how long 590 00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:11,340 it's been. It's it's not worked. And I think I remember Martin 591 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:15,060 pod friend Martin saying, Well, I don't want my app, which is 592 00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:19,410 called pod friend. i It's unfriendly if you can't comment 593 00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:25,530 on every single podcast, and he feels and I completely 594 00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:30,030 understand. And I think I agree with him, that comments are part 595 00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:35,520 of his platform, not necessarily the podcasters platform, because 596 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,660 it's his app. And with that come comes all kinds of issues like, 597 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:44,580 well, what if am I going to get emails now saying, I don't like 598 00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:48,690 what this guy said, kick him off, this is a bad word, who is 599 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,570 who is the moderation part is going to be interesting, because 600 00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:56,670 ultimately, it is displayed on his app. And I believe that is 601 00:36:56,670 --> 00:37:00,180 the reason why we have not seen it implemented. Because 602 00:37:00,330 --> 00:37:04,470 everyone's a one man band. Everyone's strapped for time. 603 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,820 This may be just too much for a, an app developer to take on. And 604 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:16,110 also, I also heard what Marco said, and you know, like him or 605 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:18,930 not, he said, I don't want people telling me what to do. 606 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:22,530 And it's a little bit of telling people what to do in this 607 00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:26,940 conversation. And I'm, I'm pulling back, because I don't 608 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:29,670 think it's a technical implementation problem. I think 609 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:34,320 it's the I know some of the personalities here. And I think 610 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,620 that people like well, you know, I'm not so yes, I did look at 611 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,990 the GitHub while flying. Okay, I'll answer your question. 612 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:43,770 Dave Jones: You also texted me, scared me to death pictures. 613 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040 Adam Curry: From 9006, it actually works. I was quite 614 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,500 amazed how T Mobile baby works at 9000 feet. So I think we're 615 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:53,760 having the wrong discussion. 616 00:37:56,970 --> 00:38:01,920 Dave Jones: There, yeah. Maybe not the wrong discussion, maybe 617 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,390 just two different discussions. And in one of them, maybe not 618 00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:10,230 even being spoken. But there's the text. There's the technical 619 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:16,230 aspect of of the of the thing. And then there's the then 620 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:22,770 there's the the sort of political ethical stuff on top. 621 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:26,160 And this is very like, like I said, this is one of those weeks 622 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,400 where it's like, everything is loosely connected to each other. 623 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,110 And yes, in a weird way. Because there's another aspect of this 624 00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,970 that I don't want to muddy the water with, but I want to talk 625 00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:36,330 about it. 626 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:37,680 Adam Curry: In the dirt. 627 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,310 Dave Jones: It's also all up in there. That so the technical on 628 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:46,770 the technical side of things, I had no problem with what Daniels 629 00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:52,020 do. And I think I think it's fine. I mean, what we want for 630 00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:58,740 an app is simplicity. Yeah, we see that we see the struggles of 631 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:01,740 decentralization that are happening with the noster apps. 632 00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:04,680 They're killing people's battery life, because they're they're 633 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,590 keeping WebSockets open to 12 different servers at the same 634 00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:12,750 time. There's that sort of decentralization is difficult. 635 00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:17,820 And I get and I get that. So from that standpoint, anything 636 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,220 that can be done to simplify and this is this is what I was 637 00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:22,530 talking about, with Where do you decentralize? We're in the 638 00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:26,730 stack. And I think we need to sort of come come to terms with 639 00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:31,080 where this is supposed to be. Because if you push the 640 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,390 decentralization, all the way down to the mobile app, that is 641 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:39,750 a big burden for that for that app to carry. Not only in terms 642 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:44,130 of have to have resources, and complexity, but also in terms of 643 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:47,880 App Store review. Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot 644 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,560 of challenges there. So if you if we can move this thing up the 645 00:39:52,560 --> 00:40:03,540 stack a bit to where we envision this okay, envision envision 646 00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:07,680 that Daniel J. Lewis is API concept is full, it is 647 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:15,300 functional. And transistor implements it. Transistor now 648 00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:22,110 offers this API solution for its podcasters. And they podcasters 649 00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:29,100 then can can allow comments to happen on their own on their 650 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,150 shows. And they they can have some sort of moderation if they 651 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:37,740 want or whatever. And then the podcast app, all it has to do is 652 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,220 Adam Curry: just add a web hook and parse that JSON file 653 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040 Dave Jones: was not even it wasn't even web hook like the 654 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,270 app can, I mean, jumping from the posting site? So from so the 655 00:40:48,270 --> 00:40:51,330 listener can just post a comment, it goes to a REST API, 656 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,460 boom, done. Easy, simple. 657 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,170 Adam Curry: That's what I'm that's what I mean by web hook, 658 00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:58,500 you press a button and it goes on that API server. Right. 659 00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:03,810 Dave Jones: Exactly. And so this thing is you, you do need some 660 00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:08,310 sort of, there's, there's, there are challenges with this. Yeah. 661 00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:08,820 And they can 662 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,900 Adam Curry: have some kind of identity. You need an identity, 663 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,500 what you've just built. You just built the entire identity piece 664 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:17,850 to that the way I see it. 665 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,520 Dave Jones: Well Nasir built it we industrious guy. Yeah, yeah, 666 00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:26,160 the identity can be it. But their spam control. There's all 667 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,730 the things that 668 00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,080 Adam Curry: there's a lot of bull crap to go to go down. Oh, 669 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,790 yeah. Absolutely. 670 00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:35,040 Dave Jones: Yep. And just because you have a throwaway 671 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,140 identity doesn't mean that you're going to solve any of 672 00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:42,060 those problems. Right. So So I like I think the simplicity of 673 00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:47,910 it is, is is perfect. And 674 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,390 Adam Curry: it holds me, let me stop you. And the point. And I 675 00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:55,290 think the point you're making suddenly, is that all of those 676 00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:59,460 problems have already been addressed on activity pub slash 677 00:41:59,460 --> 00:42:03,570 mastered on a lot of those problems. 678 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,220 Dave Jones: I guess I am saying that, but I'm not saying it on 679 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,120 purpose. Okay. 680 00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:13,560 Adam Curry: I know I know. But but the fact is, spam issues 681 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,860 have ordered em blocking and moderation is a very rich 682 00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:20,070 moderation interface. You can block and you know, all kinds of 683 00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:23,610 things activity pub through Mastodon has all of that. 684 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,790 Dave Jones: It also has. Yeah, yeah, James is right. Those 685 00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,620 problems have been addressed at baster games, too, with a 686 00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:34,500 different a different sort of bar to jump over, which is the 687 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,670 pay pay part. Yes. The 688 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:38,460 Adam Curry: pay part, which I also agree with, which is, which 689 00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:41,760 is probably why Fountain has not had, as far as I know, is zero 690 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,630 problems with boosted grants, because people just don't know 691 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:49,140 pay to spam that much. It's just not a very good business model. 692 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,560 Dave Jones: Yeah. So I think what the so you have these 693 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,500 different bar these different sorts of bars you can set to pay 694 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,610 for people to jump over to to help the spam issue. One of 695 00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,820 those bar in the bar and the fountain comment system is 696 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:08,190 money. The bar and the mastodon system is things like a private 697 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:11,790 registration. Moderate you have moderators, 698 00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:15,180 Adam Curry: you can get kicked off. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that. 699 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,790 Yeah. Amen. Pure Vita. If you're 700 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:21,990 Dave Jones: on the bar that was implemented on the noster side, 701 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:28,500 or is being implemented. It's getting better is the stir fry. 702 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,740 Adam Curry: It is getting better. And there's something 703 00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:36,210 that I've noticed, there is a community aspect. And I don't 704 00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:40,260 know how to implement I'm sure it's some nip somewhere that 705 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:45,510 people can block a post and then it'll show up in your timeline, 706 00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:48,510 but it says, you know, blocked by these 3000 people and then 707 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:52,890 basically you don't look at it. Okay, so there's there's fun 708 00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,590 stuff like that being developed. It's like, create like a 709 00:43:55,590 --> 00:43:57,420 crowdsource crowdsourcing time. Yeah, of course, of course. And 710 00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:00,420 there's also the thread from hell, which I've been put on, 711 00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,210 which never goes away, and then you know, you have to deal with 712 00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:04,950 that. Right, right. 713 00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:09,660 Dave Jones: So then I think I think in Daniels mind what he's 714 00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:15,240 what he's envisioning is the bar. The the bar for keeping 715 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:20,070 that stuff at bay within his idea is the moderation part that 716 00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:24,060 things won't show up until it's approved by the podcaster. Now, 717 00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:28,740 that's, that's a very, that's gonna have to take it's gonna 718 00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:30,300 take a lot of work. Well, it 719 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:36,840 Adam Curry: also it won't work that way. Because people want 720 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,630 instant gratification if you post a comment, and it doesn't 721 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:42,840 show up because it has to be moderated. People won't use it. 722 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,170 If and then you get into exactly what you're saying. Then you 723 00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:49,800 have to get into well who's approved to post so you get into 724 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,290 all that stuff and you ultimately get into some kind of 725 00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:56,130 sort of registration. These are these are problems that are so 726 00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,610 this is why discus never really worked, you know, turn into a 727 00:44:59,610 --> 00:45:02,010 spam thing, then they actually became a spam company 728 00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:07,710 themselves. It's comments are very, very, very hard they are. 729 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,100 And the more I look at what you've built here, the more I 730 00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,890 like that we could actually have boosted Graham's flip flow 731 00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:17,160 through here. And, you know, this may be a version of 732 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,400 something that works even just for comments, not just for chat, 733 00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:21,780 you know, ephemeral or not? 734 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,950 Dave Jones: Well, so then that's, that's worth pointing 735 00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:29,700 out here. This, this this chat, the MK Ultra has the same 736 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,650 problem. It can it can it's also subject to spam, you know, spam 737 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:42,090 bombing. Yeah. And the the bar for entry there is ephemerality 738 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:45,630 so that it, it, it only lasts for a certain period of time. 739 00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:48,810 Yes. That's, it's still not immune from it. So that's got to 740 00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:51,810 be it's got to be dealt with here. So I guess I'm not I'm 741 00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:55,680 not. So I'm not trying to diss, talk these things down and just 742 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,520 say, I'm just trying to be, let's be honest about all these 743 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,690 difficulties. Yes. And then the bit that's, that's on the 744 00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:07,890 posting side on the console. So then you have this C, which 745 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,520 we've done here is moved this up the stack to the word so the 746 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,550 center it's centralized. At the at transistor now, in this 747 00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:22,590 hypothetical future world, transistor is running the 748 00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:28,020 service. It's, it's, it's, it's a single call to them for this 749 00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:33,150 for posting to one of their podcasters the comments. Then, 750 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:41,190 at that point, you have you have a de json file of full of all 751 00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:47,220 these comments that you can then distribute. So so what I'm what 752 00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:50,730 I'm envisioning, is this youth. You're not You're not, it 753 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:53,100 doesn't have to just because it's centralized. Oh, you 754 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:57,540 Adam Curry: just blew my mind. Did uh, yeah, keep going? I like 755 00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:58,410 it. Yeah. Blew my mind. 756 00:46:59,009 --> 00:47:01,649 Dave Jones: Yeah. So you're, you're, you've moved the 757 00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:06,629 decentralization up one step to where now, transistor or some 758 00:47:06,629 --> 00:47:10,619 third party can come in, read those comments and distribute 759 00:47:10,619 --> 00:47:16,229 them to other systems? Yes. Activity pub noster. You know, 760 00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:21,449 all the different commenting systems, yes. out there. Like, 761 00:47:22,049 --> 00:47:26,549 and that that is in they can also go back that way. If the if 762 00:47:26,609 --> 00:47:30,719 if you wanted to continue to expand the system and say, Okay, 763 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,559 well, we're going to put just just like MK Archer, we're going 764 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,289 to, we're going to send things out. And then we're also going 765 00:47:37,289 --> 00:47:42,359 to pull things back in. If, you know, if we choose as you choose 766 00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:47,849 to plug these two these these things in. I just think that I 767 00:47:47,849 --> 00:47:52,229 think they just it's going to be just very, very difficult to 768 00:47:53,939 --> 00:47:57,479 decentralize things all the way down to the app level. Oh, and 769 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,450 Adam Curry: I agree, and I'm not sure who's pushing this 770 00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:01,950 decentralization talk. 771 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,040 Dave Jones: Well, I don't think there's anybody pushing it. It's 772 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,870 just that I think that's what we as technical people in private 773 00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:14,010 and privacy minded people, and we don't like, you know, nobody 774 00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:17,610 likes to be censored. I think we want the decentral just just 775 00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:21,360 like the nostril people are just infatuated with saying that this 776 00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:23,790 is censorship resistant, and it's decentralized. 777 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:26,580 Adam Curry: I think it's, you know, that's a marketing bit. 778 00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:29,910 That's, that's mainly that who never says that developers. I've 779 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,000 never seen a developer say that. That's the people who are in 780 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,080 there and are infatuated and happy and jacked and pura vida. 781 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,210 Dave Jones: It's a trick. It's an attractive thing to want. 782 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,180 Yeah. It, it's just, it's just very, very hard. And it doesn't 783 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:52,980 really fit with what podcasting that like the infrastructure 784 00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:58,260 that podcasting exists in right now. Anyway. I mean, like, I 785 00:48:58,260 --> 00:49:00,360 mean, same thing, same thing with POD ping, we've done the 786 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,560 same thing. Pod ping is decentralized across across a 787 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,910 public blockchain. But 99% of the people that's in pod pings 788 00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:11,700 do it through pod ping dot Club, which is a single point exactly. 789 00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:17,430 It's like, where you you need a reliable single point in a lot 790 00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:20,520 of in a lot of cases, you need a reliable single communications 791 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,380 point to receive this this item, and then send it out right to 792 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:28,950 various so that it becomes decentralized. It's not it's not 793 00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:31,140 necessarily born decentralization, 794 00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:32,700 Adam Curry: this kind of fits with everything we've been 795 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,930 doing. It's the same thing as a wallet. You know, and certainly 796 00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:40,290 in the beginning, there was a lot of pushback on us in 797 00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:43,830 particular, well, you guys are just centralizing the Lightning 798 00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:49,440 Network here. And so there was a big push all get your own node, 799 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,310 get your own umbra, which turns out to be quite complicated for 800 00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:58,680 most mere mortals. Sorry, Carmen. And, and then of course, 801 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,650 you know, along comes and out it like get Alby and there's all 802 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,000 there's more. And you know it no one complains. While they're 803 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,430 Satoshi. You know, there's, we have all these centralized 804 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:10,230 solutions for the Lightning Network and no one's 805 00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:13,470 complaining. So there's all this idealism, but then it always 806 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,750 comes back to reality. And now I operate on my own wallet to my 807 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:24,240 own nodes, with, you know, with the predictable experience, from 808 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,240 time to time, I miss a huge boost. Why, because something 809 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,260 went wrong and went offline or something happened. This is just 810 00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,290 what it is. So there's going to be the same for if this is the 811 00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:37,860 way we implement cross app comments. It isn't in fact, the 812 00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:42,000 same for your transcripts, it is the same for your chapters, you 813 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,020 can host it somewhere else host it yourself. The option, I think 814 00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:49,140 is what makes it interesting. And that, to me is ultimately 815 00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:52,710 the when I think censorship, I don't think China, I think 816 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,520 transistor didn't like me, or someone called transistor and 817 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,630 said, Hi, where the IRS we're going to, we're going to audit 818 00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:03,900 you in less you kick curry off your system. So I will be able 819 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:08,310 to take my little comments or my transcripts and put them on a 820 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:11,280 different server, and everything would continue as normal. That 821 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,960 to me is censorship resistant. 822 00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:17,040 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. You're You're that's, that's go. And 823 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,680 that's arriving at the gas station, finding out that 824 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,780 they're closed and then driving down the street to a different 825 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:22,470 gas station. 826 00:51:22,529 --> 00:51:23,879 Adam Curry: Now. Can I move to music? 827 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,660 Dave Jones: You will? Let me 828 00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:29,280 Adam Curry: I'm waiting for you to wrap this up. 829 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,510 Dave Jones: Yes, yes, you are allowed to move to music? 830 00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:38,880 Adam Curry: Well, because we can't we can't thank you point 831 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,060 of personal privilege. Granted, we can't. We can't do anything 832 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:50,490 more here than I mean. So we are at an interesting crossroads. We 833 00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:55,050 have an implementation of cross app comments, which I think is 834 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680 pretty much good to go. I think there's some core issues still, 835 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,120 maybe there's some issues. But really, app developers are not 836 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,940 surfacing this. And they're not enabling the the posting part. 837 00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:14,400 Am I correct? That's how close we are. 838 00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:18,840 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's very close. And just to maybe to 839 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,740 maybe throw one more thing in is it and you just kind of jogged 840 00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:26,760 my memory on is I want I want to reach sort of re emphasize the 841 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,040 fact that this is not the point where the point where the app 842 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,240 communicates the comment, or, or gets the car, like I don't want 843 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,620 to change the way we do things. I like our comments, existing 844 00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:45,360 activity pub. And so but we could still benefit from this 845 00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:50,820 JSON version of comments, which is create a tool that that wraps 846 00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:53,880 everything up and creates in sucks at all and creates a JSON 847 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,730 file that makes it easy for the app that way, the app doesn't 848 00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:58,860 have to communicate with potentially 27 different 849 00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:02,490 activity post servers. Like that's what I mean, again, about 850 00:53:02,490 --> 00:53:05,760 like, decentralizing upstream, that you're making it easier on 851 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,700 the apps, but you still get the decentralization that makes us 852 00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:09,630 all warm and fuzzy. 853 00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:12,210 Adam Curry: That's good. For me, that's called interrup. 854 00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:16,260 Dave Jones: Yeah, we like we can still do it the way we want to. 855 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:22,650 And, and, but then boil it all down for the apps to be easy. 856 00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:25,530 Adam Curry: I love that. And I want this chat thing 857 00:53:25,530 --> 00:53:26,250 immediately. 858 00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:29,190 Dave Jones: To watch as I want 859 00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:30,990 Adam Curry: it immediately, I want I want to have this chat 860 00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:33,030 server I want I want to use this is fun. 861 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,270 Dave Jones: Okay, it's as close to done. 862 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,230 Adam Curry: But once once we get the IRC part, that bridge I 863 00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:41,280 think has to be made. 864 00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,180 Dave Jones: Well, the good thing about the about boost bot and 865 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:49,410 everything is they can just, you know, speak noster as well, if 866 00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:52,140 they want to go straight in and they'll they'll be able to talk 867 00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:54,900 to the relay. Interesting. 868 00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:58,350 Adam Curry: Let's seem that seems that sounds like a 869 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,660 something for the IRC boys to put together. 870 00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:04,320 Dave Jones: Now, but it will definitely suck in IRC. That's 871 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,510 That's next on the list. I love that. 872 00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:13,050 Adam Curry: Well, Daniel Jays idea about the whole discussion 873 00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:17,910 around you know, having these individual files which we have, 874 00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:21,090 we have an individual transcript file, we have individual 875 00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:27,750 chapters file. And so I was racking my brain, you know, also 876 00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:33,060 looking at the remote item tag, which is, it's really confusing, 877 00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:35,100 because I think we're all talking about something no one 878 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:37,980 no one's ever going to just put an episode of someone else's 879 00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:40,710 show into your feed. I'm not going to do it. I don't know why 880 00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:44,340 anyone else would ever do it. But it's built for playlists for 881 00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:47,850 music. That part I understand. Is that right? Am I correct? 882 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:50,640 That I think everyone agrees that everyone's just talking 883 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000 about it. But are you really going to put someone else's 884 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,560 episode in your feed? Really? 885 00:54:56,670 --> 00:55:00,510 Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't think that I think it can do That's 886 00:55:00,510 --> 00:55:03,840 the thing it can do. But it's its primary intent is for is for 887 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,560 other means mediums, right? Because playlists become more 888 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,940 important with other mediums. 889 00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:15,240 Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. So playlisting. Fantastic. So I was 890 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,910 thinking now again, so I'm out, you know, I've just seen a 891 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:21,870 concert, I'm digging these guys. I'm seeing all these different. 892 00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:25,890 These are guys who still sell their CDs for $5 at the venue, 893 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:29,130 you know? Because, you know, what money are you making off 894 00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:34,200 of? Off of music sales? Nothing. So that's, you know, but of 895 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,360 course, merch, a lot of merch stuff. It's hard to see you 896 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,390 commenting in the chat while I'm talking to you. It's like that, 897 00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:44,820 like, I immediately feel like you're not listening to me. 898 00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:46,439 Dave Jones: heard everything you said. 899 00:55:47,279 --> 00:55:48,899 Adam Curry: I know. I'm just saying it's weird. 900 00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:52,350 Dave Jones: This is what happens when you you know, look on your 901 00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:54,630 wife's talking to you. You're not really listening. And she's 902 00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:55,230 like, are you listening? 903 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,380 Adam Curry: That's exactly how I felt just there for a moment. I 904 00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:00,750 felt like your wife is like, You're not listening to me, Dave 905 00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:01,830 Jones. But 906 00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:04,590 Dave Jones: then I'm like, you but what you do is you just 907 00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:07,710 repeat the last word that she said. You said, you said play 908 00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:08,100 live. Yeah. 909 00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:14,250 Adam Curry: So I'm also out in Nashville. I'm talking to Jeff 910 00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:17,700 Smith. And I'm talking to him about you know, about value for 911 00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,370 value and how it's working. And you know, what wave Lake is 912 00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:25,140 doing. And you know, basically how we've set up the whole 2.0 913 00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:28,500 standard with the medium tag equals music so that we can do 914 00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:33,180 music was split. And believe me, musicians get it. Musicians go 915 00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:38,250 Oh, hold on a second. When I say we get rid of ASCAP BMI, the 916 00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:42,420 ears perk up, you know, and I and I know the best joke now 917 00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:45,090 it's like, yeah, we can even give the drummer a split. And 918 00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:48,090 everyone finds that joke. Hilarious. Everyone in the band 919 00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:50,490 thinks that's funny, except for the drummer isn't for the 920 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:58,740 drummer. And then it hit me. We need possibly so what I so why 921 00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:03,240 is the music business so broken? The music business is broken for 922 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:06,900 a number of reasons. But I would say the number one is radio 923 00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,850 sucks, radio was corporate radio was controlled. The radio is 924 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,110 tight playlist is very hard to get your record played. And 925 00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:21,000 there is no way that you can really do a music based show 926 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,180 legally on a podcast, you just can't do it. Because unless you 927 00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:31,620 have unless the artist has the rights, and I said okay, you can 928 00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:33,750 you can play my stuff on your show. It's okay. It's 929 00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:36,660 downloadable. And that's a lot of okay, there's a lot of 930 00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:40,620 giveaways that artists you know, when you're in the ASCAP, BMI, 931 00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:46,470 sound exchange, Harry Fox publishing world. No, it 932 00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:48,750 doesn't, that's never gonna happen. Yeah, you can do it. But 933 00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:53,040 eventually, you're gonna get railed for it. So we need a way 934 00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,830 that incentivizes everybody that's always been my model. So 935 00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:59,430 I want to do a show. Now, we talked about the wave Lake, top 936 00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:02,940 10, and all that. But let's just say I want to do a show. And I 937 00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:06,330 want to play music, they want to interview some people. But when 938 00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:11,370 I play music, I want the value block for that music to be 939 00:58:11,370 --> 00:58:16,920 activated. And I want all streaming, SATs and all booster 940 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,370 grams to go to that value block. I would like to have a piece for 941 00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:23,640 myself, because it's still my show. But then when that song is 942 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,120 over, then it comes back. Now this would work for interviews, 943 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,160 it would work for a whole bunch of different things, as you can 944 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,000 imagine, even for you could even use it as a voting mechanism. 945 00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:35,700 Oh, this person is speaking. And now everything is going through 946 00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:41,490 this one, two, this one booster gram interface for this show. is 947 00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:45,660 now going to that entity. You with me? Yeah, that's the dream. 948 00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:52,890 The way to do it, I think is very similar. have instead is 949 00:58:53,010 --> 00:59:01,020 have an option on the value tag for to be remote. And that would 950 00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:03,420 be Believe it or not here, I'm going to say it would might be a 951 00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:11,190 JSON file that has that has my my standard splits for for the 952 00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:16,530 for that episode. But then has time codes just like chapters. 953 00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:25,530 And then for this, God this guid this. And then the app looks at 954 00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:30,900 that guid and pulls it and pulls in the value block for that 955 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:36,060 entity which I hope would then be an album a song or an artist 956 00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:39,540 etc. And does that make sense? 957 00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:43,080 Dave Jones: Okay, so you're talking about a show, you've 958 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,400 done a show and you've published it. Now when the app is is 959 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,430 reading through the show structure, 960 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,670 Adam Curry: it's picking up so it's these remote value block. 961 00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,160 I'm just I'm not a developer clearly, I'm just shooting from 962 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,970 the hip. So in the value block of six oh remote, okay. They say 963 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,450 goes looked at this remote and it says, Use this valid these 964 01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:06,720 splits this, these values throughout the show except for 965 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,650 this time code from here to here, use this shows value 966 01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:15,930 block. And in my mind is just a referral code so that you're not 967 01:00:15,930 --> 01:00:19,230 pulling in the actual value block, but that maybe it's the 968 01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,620 GUID for for that for that particular song or that 969 01:00:22,620 --> 01:00:27,720 particular album. And I'm just using good loosely here. Or you 970 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,280 could of course, use a URL, but we know how shitty that is long 971 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:40,560 term. So if somehow is the GUID, then then the then the band 972 01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:43,890 whose music I played, they can change their fuck you think 973 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:47,940 activity Shut up, I'm talking about 974 01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:52,620 Dave Jones: want to sing the crap out of me? 975 01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:56,130 Adam Curry: I would like you know, so they have complete 976 01:00:56,130 --> 01:00:59,490 control over their value block and change that at any time. But 977 01:00:59,490 --> 01:01:03,210 I'll still refer to them from my remote value block. Does that 978 01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:03,960 make sense? 979 01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:08,970 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense. I think like this 980 01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:14,940 is just chapters, right? If we put the value Yes, block into 981 01:01:15,090 --> 01:01:18,330 the chapter markers that would solve this, 982 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,900 Adam Curry: that actually that, of course came up in my mind as 983 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,690 well, we already have the tools, all we need to do is just add 984 01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:29,100 the referral code for another value block. I just didn't, what 985 01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,010 I didn't want to do as I didn't want to start off a let's put 986 01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:34,860 pod roll and all these things in one go. I didn't want to start 987 01:01:34,860 --> 01:01:39,510 that off. So if it belongs in chapters, I'm fine with that. I 988 01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:41,970 just want to get going, I just want to do a show because I got 989 01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:46,110 Jeff Smith saying, I know a lot of musicians who have bought 990 01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:48,840 back all their music, they own the publishing, they owned 991 01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:53,700 everything. And they and there's an high level of interest to do 992 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:54,180 this. 993 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,290 Dave Jones: Well, it's it's a good timing to do this. Because 994 01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:01,860 I've got as ethnic, though, would for sure work. I mean, now 995 01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:07,020 you know, we're gonna have to make it where it needs to be a 996 01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,350 reference, it can't really be hard coded because you're gonna 997 01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:13,680 have exact Yeah, you you because you need to be able to call out 998 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,040 to that other feed and see what its current value block is 999 01:02:18,030 --> 01:02:22,620 rather than, like, sucking it in hard coded into recurrent 1000 01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:23,070 chapters. 1001 01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:26,100 Adam Curry: Right. So maybe this is even a smarter way to do it. 1002 01:02:26,430 --> 01:02:32,040 Maybe, since we already have chapter files, maybe there's 1003 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,370 some tag in there, or maybe just when it reads the chapter files 1004 01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:40,530 if it comes across a value, value block reference guid for 1005 01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:45,330 that chapter, which has a start and an end. Maybe just overrides 1006 01:02:45,330 --> 01:02:48,360 whatever, whatever it's using from the feed and uses that and 1007 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,360 then come and pops back after it's done and then goes back to 1008 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:51,900 the feed. 1009 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:56,100 Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, yes. For sure. Something like that. Yeah, 1010 01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:56,220 we'll 1011 01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:58,860 Adam Curry: call it chapter value split or something chapter 1012 01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,480 value block or something like that. 1013 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,760 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, we've talked about doing this, there 1014 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,180 may even be already be a proposal for this in there. I 1015 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:09,570 haven't looked in a while. But it's good timing to do it. 1016 01:03:09,570 --> 01:03:14,670 Because we're out. This fits with. Again, everything's 1017 01:03:14,670 --> 01:03:18,870 fitting together this way this fits with what we need anyway, 1018 01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:22,290 which is, which is reply addresses in the value block 1019 01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:23,040 addresses. Yeah, 1020 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,530 Adam Curry: you go, there you go feel the need 1021 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,960 Dave Jones: need to have a way to reply back to reply back in 1022 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,110 boost some boot, you know, you need to know where if it's 1023 01:03:34,110 --> 01:03:38,490 course by choice. If they want to include this in the to v, 1024 01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:42,600 then the person receiving the boost can then reply back to 1025 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,170 that person with and with a boost. So, I mean, if we're 1026 01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:50,130 already in there making these changes anyway. I mean, what one 1027 01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:53,520 I just, you know, come up with, with having just proposed both 1028 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,990 at the same time. No, I think it's it makes perfect, perfect 1029 01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:59,640 sense. I would I wouldn't I wouldn't do it. 1030 01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:02,849 Adam Curry: I would I would love to have this. And I think that 1031 01:04:02,879 --> 01:04:07,889 possibly the app devs I think anyone everyone who has V four v 1032 01:04:07,889 --> 01:04:11,819 and the apps probably have chapters as well, I think it 1033 01:04:11,819 --> 01:04:15,209 will, I would love doing this because we will we will spawn we 1034 01:04:15,209 --> 01:04:20,399 will I guarantee it will spawn a whole generation of people 1035 01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:25,679 playing not so I'm so sick for 20 years now. It's all been the 1036 01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:29,459 only way you can do is playlist, set up your playlist put it on 1037 01:04:29,459 --> 01:04:33,629 your shoutcast server I'm so sick of it. I want and there's a 1038 01:04:33,629 --> 01:04:38,189 lot of good music out there. And, and and the artists are 1039 01:04:38,189 --> 01:04:41,399 ready bands are ready performers are ready. They're ready to get 1040 01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:44,579 paid. They're just sitting there getting jerked around by 1041 01:04:44,579 --> 01:04:48,029 everybody. And if you can say get your Albie wallet just to 1042 01:04:48,029 --> 01:04:52,409 make it easy, you know, we can't rely on all only on apt get Alby 1043 01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:55,379 but you know what I'm saying? Get your Alby wallet because 1044 01:04:55,409 --> 01:04:59,789 this is what what Jeff Smith sees. He sees 5% from a lot of 1045 01:04:59,789 --> 01:05:03,539 different and shows certainly mine going to him. And he sees 1046 01:05:03,539 --> 01:05:05,999 that, you know, in a certain point you'd like to 3 million 1047 01:05:05,999 --> 01:05:09,629 sets you pay attention like well, that's kind of nice. Yeah, 1048 01:05:09,659 --> 01:05:13,889 for sure. You know, so I want artists to have that feeling I 1049 01:05:13,889 --> 01:05:18,239 want them to fire up, you know, contracts. I want them to see 1050 01:05:18,539 --> 01:05:21,599 that the SATs dripping in. I want them to get that that 1051 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,239 feeling of oh, there's love someone's listening to my show. 1052 01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,479 Where's it coming from? Oh, it's coming from that podcast. Oh, 1053 01:05:27,479 --> 01:05:33,779 that's great. I mean, the one thing in in American country 1054 01:05:33,779 --> 01:05:39,059 radio and I would say Christian rock radio. There is a love 1055 01:05:39,089 --> 01:05:42,779 affair between artists and radio, watch any country show 1056 01:05:42,779 --> 01:05:45,929 you can stomach because I love country. But the show the award 1057 01:05:45,929 --> 01:05:50,129 shows are sickening to watch any country watch or you can't. And 1058 01:05:50,129 --> 01:05:54,359 then all the artists go and thank you country radio. I want 1059 01:05:54,359 --> 01:05:57,389 I want to take that away. I want to take all that away. And I 1060 01:05:57,389 --> 01:06:00,659 want it to be thank you this podcast. Thank you that podcast 1061 01:06:00,659 --> 01:06:03,299 because the artists can see it. There's accountability. And 1062 01:06:03,299 --> 01:06:06,689 there's actual money of value being shared from people who 1063 01:06:06,689 --> 01:06:09,389 like what they're hearing. And then they can go over and then 1064 01:06:09,539 --> 01:06:12,629 right away and start listening to all your stuff. And then and 1065 01:06:12,629 --> 01:06:16,799 then sending value for that the ecosystem is there. Let's get it 1066 01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:17,429 done. 1067 01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:24,810 Dave Jones: It belongs in the chapters 1068 01:06:24,810 --> 01:06:27,390 Adam Curry: for sure. Okay, good. Well, that's a great place 1069 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:27,780 for it. 1070 01:06:28,410 --> 01:06:30,600 Dave Jones: I don't want it I don't want to have a discussion 1071 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,300 about whether it's a metadata file or chapters. It's a 1072 01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:34,500 chapters file. Yeah, it's 1073 01:06:34,530 --> 01:06:36,210 Adam Curry: that we're not having that we're not having. 1074 01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:39,210 I'm going to talk to Steven B. And we're going to make it work 1075 01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:44,220 in curio caster and sovereign feeds first. But anyway, if 1076 01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:46,260 that's the that'll be our reference app. 1077 01:06:47,250 --> 01:06:50,850 Dave Jones: Well, I'll propose it into the namespace because 1078 01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:55,380 I've already got to be in there doing the proposal for reply 1079 01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:56,820 addresses anyway. And we'll have 1080 01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,820 Adam Curry: we'll have pod fans doing it right away too. Because 1081 01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:03,120 you know, so yeah, Sam was like, what? Oh, wait, wait. Oh, wait 1082 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:09,150 there, ladies and gentlemen. Sakala blades on am Fallout 1083 01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,550 101010 from Sam sefie. 1084 01:07:12,090 --> 01:07:14,970 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, like, like a third of the tags that 1085 01:07:14,970 --> 01:07:18,540 Sam has in pod fans don't need or not even finalized. I don't 1086 01:07:18,540 --> 01:07:20,190 even know what you're doing Sam's like 1087 01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:22,710 Adam Curry: what he says, I really need to walk the dog 1088 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:25,050 while the show is live. It's Friday night, the wife keeps 1089 01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:27,930 interrupting me. Just telling you just to pretend like you're 1090 01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:31,260 listening, Sam. She doesn't understand why I want to listen 1091 01:07:31,260 --> 01:07:34,770 live because it's cool. As for cross app comments, I'm looking 1092 01:07:34,770 --> 01:07:37,350 to use noster not activity pub. Sorry, don't worry, it looks 1093 01:07:37,350 --> 01:07:40,230 like we'll be able to do all I've implemented pod rolls and 1094 01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:43,050 playlists which really work well for podcasts and music. I don't 1095 01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:45,360 get the remote item tag. While we've worked through all of 1096 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,180 that, Sam, we've already fixed it all for you. Don't worry. 1097 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,350 Yeah, it's no SAM. SAM will implement the chapter splits. 1098 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,220 I'm excited. And but it does have to be and can we do that 1099 01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:59,370 with the GUID Can you reference with a good edge of this pocket? 1100 01:07:59,370 --> 01:08:03,240 This this this artist or this album? Or this collection of 1101 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:10,380 songs? Can you can you reference the actual item level? Value 1102 01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:13,770 block split? Yeah, with an abstraction what would that be? 1103 01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:15,270 What's that? Is that good? Good? 1104 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,240 Dave Jones: Yes, good. Good. 1105 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,230 Adam Curry: Item. Good. Is it? 1106 01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:21,690 Dave Jones: I mean, that's what the remote item thing. That's 1107 01:08:21,690 --> 01:08:26,790 what remote item is? It's a reference to a feed. Good. And 1108 01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:29,700 then a Episode Good. Oh, well, 1109 01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:32,070 Adam Curry: okay, then there's a reason for that thing to 1110 01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:32,940 perfect. 1111 01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:37,800 Dave Jones: You go that, you know, the chapters is the where 1112 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,990 you what remote item can't do is give you time, like this section 1113 01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:46,530 of this, of this show has to be this than this other section has 1114 01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:49,560 to be that, like, if you're doing a single show that has to 1115 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,930 be chopped up into into bits. It can't do that. But it can it can 1116 01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:56,220 reference that show. 1117 01:08:57,569 --> 01:08:59,879 Adam Curry: It can reference a show and an item within the 1118 01:08:59,879 --> 01:09:07,349 show. Yes. Okay. So the chapter value split, can reference a 1119 01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:12,869 remote item and use and say okay, the value block from this 1120 01:09:12,869 --> 01:09:17,639 remote item, correct? Yes. Good. Steven B isn't built yet. 1121 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:27,660 Dave Jones: Like this. Yeah, so check. So the chapters. Thing is 1122 01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:29,250 the chapters. That's what it's for. 1123 01:09:29,310 --> 01:09:32,700 Adam Curry: I'm Jack. I'm Jack. I'm jacked and ready to go. 1124 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:33,300 Let's do it. 1125 01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,780 Dave Jones: I want I want to switch gears for a second and 1126 01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:51,180 discuss made for kids. Yeah, sounds exciting. You said 1127 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,980 Adam Curry: no, but I'm all yours. Well, I'm sorry honey. We 1128 01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:57,870 were talking about something I'll playlist I'm sorry. What? 1129 01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:59,970 Something about the kids 1130 01:10:00,510 --> 01:10:03,570 Dave Jones: The Kids Are the kids in trouble. Are they? Okay? 1131 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:10,110 The so the kids they made for kids. There's been this okay, 1132 01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:14,550 the longest running well, how do I how do I lay this out? Okay, 1133 01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:19,020 all right, the longest running thread on the podcast names the 1134 01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:25,290 issue issue on the podcast namespace repo. Is this mother 1135 01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:28,380 effing censorship thread? 1136 01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:31,590 Adam Curry: Wow. Is it an F bomb? How about that? Yeah, I 1137 01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:32,460 did. Yeah. 1138 01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:42,300 Dave Jones: Is in it's like 1000 comments long. Like, in there is 1139 01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:47,070 absolutely no better sense of what to do at the end of this 1140 01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,890 thing than there was at the beginning. There may be a lot 1141 01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:54,270 more confusion on the last post than there was at the at the at 1142 01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:59,460 the first post. It's this content ratings. This is not 1143 01:10:59,460 --> 01:11:04,200 censorship. It's content ratings. Like, how do we label 1144 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,680 these things? As this is safe for kids? This is not safe for 1145 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,420 kids age, which should it be by age? Should it be by content? 1146 01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:16,200 Should it be by this? It's like it's it just goes round and 1147 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,650 round and round? And everybody hates each other? And everybody 1148 01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:21,330 comes out with blackouts? Yeah, 1149 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,340 Adam Curry: yeah, that's what usually happens in those 1150 01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:25,080 conversations. It's why stay out of them. 1151 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,350 Dave Jones: Yeah. Town records that bring in Tipper Gore we 1152 01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:35,190 need tipper That's right. Yep. So hear you, Tom. At some point 1153 01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:38,610 on Rossy popped popped in a couple of 1154 01:11:38,610 --> 01:11:41,280 Adam Curry: weeks, because he's a masochist. Yes, he popped in. 1155 01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:42,960 He did. Everybody. 1156 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:50,280 Dave Jones: He popped in with a new tag that just has a single 1157 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:57,150 purpose, which is podcast colon made for kids. And it would just 1158 01:11:57,150 --> 01:12:03,060 be true or false. And, as usual, with these types of things, I 1159 01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:06,240 was like, Well, I'm just gonna give this some time to bake. And 1160 01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,250 think about it. And the more I think about it, I think it's a 1161 01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:16,410 great idea. At first I didn't, I was just, I was calling in, I 1162 01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:20,010 think it's a really good idea. In here, here, let me try to do 1163 01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:28,050 my best to explain why. The, the idea of who the podcast is made 1164 01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:38,910 for and what is in it cannot coexist. That is that is now 1165 01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:43,770 obvious from the from the 1000 posts, long issue of content 1166 01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:49,770 ratings, you cannot combine a notion of who the podcast is 1167 01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:56,100 intended for, and what the content is into the same thing. 1168 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:03,270 As usual tags, the tags that go into the namespace, they have to 1169 01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:07,770 be boiled down to their ver to their to their most basic 1170 01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:13,080 essence. It has to do it's just like a Unix command tool. It has 1171 01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,550 to do one thing and it has to do it well. And only one thing and 1172 01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:23,460 it is so easy. It is so tempting to bring in 234 or five other 1173 01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:26,490 things. And that's what is going on with the pod roll and all 1174 01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:32,190 this stuff in it is it's a don't like it. And I'm I'm not going 1175 01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:37,620 to participate in in the construction of tags that are 1176 01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:39,270 these multi layered beasts. 1177 01:13:40,290 --> 01:13:41,280 Unknown: Spoken. 1178 01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:47,370 Dave Jones: It's just it's destined for failure because 1179 01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:51,060 it's complex, conceptually complex, and technically 1180 01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:58,650 complex. The the simplicity of pod roll in the reason why that 1181 01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:03,900 everybody immediately liked it. Or many people immediately liked 1182 01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:08,490 it as enough to even begin implementing it is because it's 1183 01:14:08,490 --> 01:14:15,120 very simple. It's you is just a reference to another to another 1184 01:14:15,150 --> 01:14:18,540 to other shows. It's just there's no ambiguity there. 1185 01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:22,950 There's no complexity there. That's all it is. The made for 1186 01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:33,660 kids thing is very similar. It does one thing it says the 1187 01:14:33,660 --> 01:14:39,600 podcaster do they think that they they intend for this show 1188 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:45,900 to be listened to by children? And we all know what we all know 1189 01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:51,810 what a child is. Okay, well, there's we that's universal. Now 1190 01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:55,170 I'm and I'm purposely not thinking about ages and things 1191 01:14:55,170 --> 01:14:59,970 like this. If you're an adult, there's a time where you see 1192 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,580 Stop calling them a kid. Or you stop thinking of them as your as 1193 01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:08,520 your children as a child, and you begin to think of them just 1194 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,250 as your children, as you know, adults or young adults or 1195 01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:15,810 whatever. We all know, in this context what a child is. So that 1196 01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:20,730 when I say is this made for children? Universally, everybody 1197 01:15:20,730 --> 01:15:25,200 knows roughly what that means. And so a podcaster, if they say, 1198 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,280 Look, my podcast, this podcast I'm developing, it is made for 1199 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,670 children I want it's the intended audience is children. 1200 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,650 That's not ambiguous. It's a very easy thing to understand. 1201 01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:42,960 And it's purposefully separate entirely separate from the 1202 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,230 content of what is in the show. I may say, My show is made for 1203 01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:54,120 kids. And in this show, there is things about sex education, or 1204 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,880 what bubble herb, just name name 15 Different companies as a 1205 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:03,690 content that I've just described two different things. My intent 1206 01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:09,660 is that is that my show be listened to by children. My in? 1207 01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,240 That's enough, that's enough on its own. The content question 1208 01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:20,940 that I don't know if we will ever get to that resolution, I 1209 01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:22,650 don't know if we'll ever come up with something that makes 1210 01:16:22,650 --> 01:16:25,380 everybody happy. I mean, we probably won't you 1211 01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:27,420 Adam Curry: made your point, I think the biggest point you make 1212 01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,930 here is the Unix tool example. And I appreciate that. And I 1213 01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:39,030 think that I'm fine with a made for children. And what I don't 1214 01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:42,750 know why this was proposed, or who was looking for it, I have 1215 01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:46,470 kids, I still call them kids. If I had little children and I saw 1216 01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:50,010 made for kids, I would not trust that to be listened to by my 1217 01:16:50,010 --> 01:16:52,560 kid, I would listen to it first, which is ultimately where the 1218 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,500 responsibility lies. Because yeah, I wouldn't might want my 1219 01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,740 kid listening to drag time, story hour or whatever. You 1220 01:16:58,740 --> 01:17:01,740 know, there's a lot of content made for kids, and a lot of 1221 01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:04,290 content made for kids that I don't find appropriate for my 1222 01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:10,650 children. And so using this as an example of maybe a larger 1223 01:17:10,650 --> 01:17:15,150 issue, what I'm seeing here, in the discussions on the GitHub, 1224 01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:18,690 it is painfully obvious to me why there was 10 years of 1225 01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:23,250 inactivity in podcasting, because all the same agendas and 1226 01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:27,570 ideas and thoughts and people all come around. And they all 1227 01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,710 have these endless conversations. And ultimately, 1228 01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:37,950 we have 10 developers. If I'm in that may, that may be even more 1229 01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:42,210 than we have who actually implementing these things. So I 1230 01:17:42,210 --> 01:17:46,650 find there's so much energy being put into arguing over and 1231 01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:50,220 odious things. And here's how we should do it here. So I think a 1232 01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:53,130 lot of I think, I think i think i think i think i think i think 1233 01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:56,430 and when and when someone can say, here's something very 1234 01:17:56,430 --> 01:17:59,790 simple, it does this. I'm all for it. I don't care if it's 1235 01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:05,220 made for kids, I don't care if it's I don't care what it is, I 1236 01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:07,800 that's the analogy I'm going to hold on to I like that a lot. 1237 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,060 Because I understand that more grep into something else, you 1238 01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:15,180 know, if as long as I can pipe these commands, like we're doing 1239 01:18:15,180 --> 01:18:19,650 now, literally, with remote item and chapter. That's the way we 1240 01:18:19,650 --> 01:18:23,940 need to look at it. And I'm I'm actually disappointed with how 1241 01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:28,080 much drivel is being posted on the GitHub, and back and forth. 1242 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,310 And that, and then, and that, and that. And although I find it 1243 01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:35,580 humorous, when James comes in and says I'm disappointed, then 1244 01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:39,420 I'm like, Oh, my God, like, where are we with all this? 1245 01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:45,210 Yeah, now well, and so um, so I, once again, I pray and praise 1246 01:18:45,210 --> 01:18:48,210 for the developers, I praise you. Thank you. Thank you for 1247 01:18:48,210 --> 01:18:51,270 coming in. Thank you for coming in early. Thank you for getting 1248 01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:54,810 all the basics. And you are ultimately going to implement 1249 01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:58,860 what you want what you feel is right for your users, for the 1250 01:18:58,860 --> 01:19:02,580 people who are using your app. And I cannot thank you enough 1251 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,640 for getting getting us everyone else. And I'm just as guilty of 1252 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,870 it at times. But getting all of us out of this endless loop of 1253 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,820 horseshit that just goes round and round and round. People want 1254 01:19:14,820 --> 01:19:18,480 to listen to a podcast. It's hard enough for me to get them 1255 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:23,910 to understand that you can look at chapters. So it's a slow boil 1256 01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:27,270 people. It's a very, very slow boil. And the simpler we make 1257 01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:30,330 things and the simpler we the things are that we implement the 1258 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:30,960 better. 1259 01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:38,400 Dave Jones: The the reason that made for children thing kind of 1260 01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:44,070 piqued my interest was because there is a use case there. You 1261 01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:47,910 know, it's hard. I've taught I've personally had a zoom call 1262 01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:51,630 with a person who's writing who was writing I don't know if 1263 01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,600 they're still doing it, but they were involved with a podcast app 1264 01:19:54,780 --> 01:20:00,990 for kids. And it was very challenging to figure all that 1265 01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:06,960 out. It's a very manual process. If you could take the if you 1266 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,490 have to sort through 4 million podcasts and figure out the 500 1267 01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:14,340 that are made for kids, right, but 1268 01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:16,380 Adam Curry: that's about wanting, but you know what your 1269 01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:19,470 point is made? We can go because all the exceptions are obvious. 1270 01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:22,500 I'm a pedophile, I'm going to make a podcast called made for 1271 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:26,400 kids. I mean, it's obvious, it's obvious, it will not work for 1272 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,390 content. It's what's clear is it does one thing, it tells a 1273 01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:34,830 parent, this is for kids, this I made this for kids. You can 1274 01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:37,320 listen to this and see if it's appropriate for your kid. That's 1275 01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:37,650 it. 1276 01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:40,260 Dave Jones: Right. That's, that's it? Yes, that's it. And 1277 01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:44,070 so, just to finish, just to finish my thought, though, if 1278 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:53,010 like, is at least a flag to say, you don't have to sort through 4 1279 01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:58,050 million podcasts to to find those that you will then whittle 1280 01:20:58,050 --> 01:21:02,490 down. You can start with, you know, a couple 1000. Yeah, I'm 1281 01:21:02,490 --> 01:21:06,270 at agreement. Yeah, like, it's just me. That's why I think it's 1282 01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,600 worth doing. Because, I mean, otherwise, who cares? You see, 1283 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,730 I'm saying, I mean, like, there's there has to be some 1284 01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:17,190 reason for it. And I just want I just want to the light exactly, 1285 01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:22,620 like you said, if you a responsible parent is going to 1286 01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:26,700 listen to the content no matter what. First, so it doesn't 1287 01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:29,610 matter what the content ratings are, there's hope I never see 1288 01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:31,260 the word content ratings ever again. 1289 01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:34,620 Adam Curry: No, it's not a content rating. And I'm just 1290 01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:38,400 saying yes, to have everyone shut the fuck up over it. I'm 1291 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,930 tired of it. Seriously, it's like fine habit for kids. It's 1292 01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:45,990 not going to change anything said whittled down, something 1293 01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,920 that parents have to look at look through, you cannot do? It 1294 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,120 does nothing. It does absolutely nothing other than give parents 1295 01:21:54,270 --> 01:21:56,460 a feeling of oh, I can look at these things and see if it's 1296 01:21:56,460 --> 01:22:01,080 appropriate. That's all. And most good kids content will 1297 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,550 never be open and free. It'll be behind a paywall anyway. So I'd 1298 01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:07,620 much rather focus on adult topics. 1299 01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,530 Dave Jones: One? Well, I mean, James James is saying that the 1300 01:22:10,530 --> 01:22:13,620 only reason this exists would exist was for you to well, I'm 1301 01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:18,000 well, I mean, maybe but there is there is you. There are US laws 1302 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,060 that you know about, was it COPPA and all that kind of 1303 01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:24,120 stuff. I mean, there's there's a legal reason to do it. It goes 1304 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,030 beyond YouTube. I understand. I understand your point. But I 1305 01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:30,780 mean, it is. I mean, it's worth it's worth doing. Well, that may 1306 01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:34,080 be what Tom's for asking for it. But that's not it doesn't mean 1307 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,880 that it's pointless, or it's only for YouTube. 1308 01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,850 Adam Curry: All right. All right. Now, I'm now leaving the 1309 01:22:38,850 --> 01:22:41,610 chat because this chat is now used exactly what happens with 1310 01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,030 chats and comments and get hubs, it turns me into an irritated 1311 01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:45,420 man. 1312 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,500 Dave Jones: You've dropped the F bomb twice. You are here. I'm 1313 01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:49,920 very 1314 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,540 Adam Curry: irritated by all this talk. 1315 01:22:51,660 --> 01:22:53,490 Dave Jones: I want to build you up at once. 1316 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,620 Adam Curry: I want more building. I want to work with 1317 01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:59,970 app developers. I want Martin to Martin Where's pod friend to 1318 01:22:59,970 --> 01:23:03,930 man, I want to have my account on pod fans. I can't retrieve my 1319 01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:07,590 account. I want to get going I have stuff to do. I want to I 1320 01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:11,880 want to make cool shows. I want to play music. I'm the academia 1321 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,800 is killing me. It's killing me. It's killing me. 1322 01:23:17,519 --> 01:23:20,639 Dave Jones: I don't want you to die. I mean, let's like, risky, 1323 01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:21,419 this or something? 1324 01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:24,180 Adam Curry: No, no, no. But I mean, we just talked for 15 1325 01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:28,860 minutes about made for kids. And and I and I don't I don't care. 1326 01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:34,020 I mean, I think it's I don't I care, I care that you want it 1327 01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,780 and that you think it's a good thing to do. And I think okay, 1328 01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:41,490 great. I don't make content for kids. And if I had kids, I 1329 01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:44,670 wouldn't trust them and made for kids thing anyway. And it's just 1330 01:23:44,730 --> 01:23:49,350 I think there's this is the same problem that was going on for 10 1331 01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:53,790 years without developers. And now we're just now just bullying 1332 01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:58,890 developers into these long drawn out conversations about what 1333 01:23:58,890 --> 01:24:01,980 they should do and what what what is important for them to 1334 01:24:01,980 --> 01:24:02,400 do. 1335 01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:05,190 Dave Jones: Look, everybody gets pissed at me when I close an 1336 01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:08,940 issue on the on the on the namespace. I'm gonna close this 1337 01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:11,610 issue and I just want everybody to understand why when I do it, 1338 01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,880 don't Why didn't you just say that? Because I don't want to 1339 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,100 get nasty emails. I'm tired of it. Yeah, 1340 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,430 Adam Curry: that just is just how it goes. But, but now I see. 1341 01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:24,510 i It's, it's frustrating at times. He says all this back and 1342 01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:28,590 forth. You know, hey, pod roll, great idea. Boom, put it in, 1343 01:24:28,650 --> 01:24:31,680 someone implements it great. I probably I'll probably use it. 1344 01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:35,100 You know, this, this is where we're going wrong. And a lot of 1345 01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:38,340 people are guilty of this round and round and round. And he I 1346 01:24:38,340 --> 01:24:42,660 think and I think and I think and I think you know, it's just 1347 01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:45,540 like let's just get something going let's get something done. 1348 01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:49,590 The lid tag was the best thing we ever did very complicated and 1349 01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:53,460 boom, it's just working. And you know, what, if if crosstab 1350 01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:57,480 comments if, if the app devs don't don't feel like it is too 1351 01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,450 complicated. I'm fine with that too. And not going to get To me, 1352 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,500 yes, nothing is not the end of the world. You know, I'm okay 1353 01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:08,280 with that I do a podcast, I'd love to, I'd love to do more 1354 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,060 podcasting, or podcaster no one's asked me what I want. But 1355 01:25:12,060 --> 01:25:14,670 I'm gonna tell you, I want to do music and I want to artists to 1356 01:25:14,670 --> 01:25:18,150 be compensated. And I think we can kickstart a huge revolution 1357 01:25:18,330 --> 01:25:21,180 by bringing music radio to podcasting the way it's never 1358 01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:24,930 been done before. Because unlike a radio in the United States, at 1359 01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:27,510 least, when your record is played on the radio, you don't 1360 01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:31,710 get paid for it. No one gets paid for it. And I want that I 1361 01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:34,560 want everyone including the drummer to get paid when I play 1362 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,700 it on my podcast. That's what I want. I think people can get 1363 01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:39,330 behind that. 1364 01:25:40,230 --> 01:25:43,290 Dave Jones: Which is always surprising to me that 1365 01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:47,310 Adam Curry: and I always point out, I bring the SATs to your 1366 01:25:47,310 --> 01:25:52,560 door developers, I bring the Satoshis everyone could get up 1367 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,860 and do a podcast I get up do a podcast and bring you SATs. 1368 01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,750 Dave Jones: So how do we how do we make it? How do we make this 1369 01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:06,270 happen? Why do we need we made for kids? No, no, no, no, no, 1370 01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:08,460 I'm done with that. I'm about to go close that. 1371 01:26:09,390 --> 01:26:15,210 Adam Curry: Close it now. Close it live on the air. I love you. 1372 01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:19,980 We think so like except, except you're so kind when you say it. 1373 01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:22,350 I don't know. How do you do it? There's something about you. 1374 01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:28,740 Dave Jones: This? No, I mean, like, the chapters, like I mean, 1375 01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:34,170 like we just need Okay, so we need we need the we need to get 1376 01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:36,900 remote with the mirlo value. We need the value block and the 1377 01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:42,030 chapters. And we need we need reply back, which would be 1378 01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:43,050 pretty spiffy. 1379 01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,050 Adam Curry: Do we need that? Or are you just let's do it while 1380 01:26:46,050 --> 01:26:48,600 we're doing this anyway. Yeah, let's do it while we're doing it 1381 01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,140 anyway. GLV isn't doesn't mean we don't need anything any reply 1382 01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:55,410 back for doing this at this point. But your your Well, hold 1383 01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:59,400 on. I liked this actually. So then the artist can see who sent 1384 01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,080 the booster gram and can reply back. 1385 01:27:02,190 --> 01:27:04,170 Dave Jones: Yeah, so here's what here's what I want. I wrote 1386 01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:09,840 these things down. This is what I want in the in the TLV. I want 1387 01:27:11,460 --> 01:27:17,760 this is my wish list. I want to I want to return a dress, which 1388 01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:20,640 this is it's got to be a J It's gotta be a JSON blog. So it's 1389 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,250 got to be here because it's got to have all the stuff, it's got 1390 01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:29,640 to have the node address, it's got to have the custom custom 1391 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,180 key custom value, it's got to have that stuff in order to 1392 01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:38,700 support things properly. We got I want that I want an identity 1393 01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:44,910 key, like a nostre key that can go into the TLV like a public 1394 01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:50,130 key so that you can again by choice. I like that, because we 1395 01:27:50,130 --> 01:27:54,240 were talking the other day about potentially like Alex had a good 1396 01:27:54,240 --> 01:28:00,330 idea about putting a nostril identity into XMPP and other but 1397 01:28:00,330 --> 01:28:03,720 basically layering these nostra identities onto other protocols, 1398 01:28:04,170 --> 01:28:09,510 so that they're so that they're portable. So if if we, if we can 1399 01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:15,660 do that, we could take it we could have a key pair option in 1400 01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:19,560 the TLV and optional entry where if you wanted to attach an 1401 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:24,960 identity to it, you could and I also want you to JSON payment 1402 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:31,950 tokens, Alex's proposal for proof of payment that I want I 1403 01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:35,670 want those three things in the to V and I'm going to bet now 1404 01:28:35,670 --> 01:28:40,560 that Alwyn from contracts now that he has put he's brought 1405 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,620 blipped in over into the namespace. We can more it'll be 1406 01:28:46,620 --> 01:28:53,460 much easier to control the TLV on on our own repo instance we 1407 01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:56,130 you know, rather than having to wait for merging right from 1408 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,400 Adam Curry: from can we can do whatever we want, right? We can 1409 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,080 just put it we want okay. All right. So that's what you want. 1410 01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:06,720 We know what I want. That meeting adjourned. Great meeting 1411 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:07,650 everybody. Thanks for being 1412 01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:10,920 Dave Jones: with us. This qualifies minutes. 1413 01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,400 Adam Curry: The first thing I have to do is I have to get a 1414 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,760 Steven b a motherboard. And she said he said no development 1415 01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,860 happens. I get my motherboard. Oh man. 1416 01:29:20,730 --> 01:29:23,790 Dave Jones: Steven, tell me tell me what you want. 1417 01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:25,740 Adam Curry: We'll get your motherboard man. We'll buy you a 1418 01:29:25,740 --> 01:29:26,370 motherboard. 1419 01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:27,690 Dave Jones: I'll buy you a laptop. 1420 01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,160 Adam Curry: Laptop. I'm in Dave we're pitching together. 1421 01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:34,140 Dave Jones: I mean if it as long as it doesn't have to be 1422 01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:37,530 anything super brand new I mean get a laptop for you know 50 1423 01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:37,950 bucks 1424 01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:43,830 Adam Curry: Wow, you're man, you're just the man aren't you 1425 01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:48,450 today give away 50 podcasting 2.0 Giveaway $50 laptops, 1426 01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:52,320 Dave Jones: like like a like a Lenovo like a five year old 1427 01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,080 Lenovo T 15 which is still a great machine. You can find 1428 01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,350 those on eBay for like painty 75 bucks my go 1429 01:29:58,350 --> 01:30:04,530 Adam Curry: to is the surface Go version three with running mint 1430 01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:06,839 Dave Jones: that's why I'm saying these I mean these older 1431 01:30:06,839 --> 01:30:09,209 lads well super run great 1432 01:30:10,230 --> 01:30:12,870 Adam Curry: Dred Scott as he has a he said, I wonder if we could 1433 01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:16,110 use chapter values for NA image art when using art from the Art 1434 01:30:16,110 --> 01:30:18,360 Generator? I'm not quite I think I know what I'm what he's saying 1435 01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,710 but just so you know, whenever we use an artist that will use 1436 01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:27,090 album art from the Art Generator for no agenda if that artist has 1437 01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:31,470 a get Alby address or any lightning address in their, in 1438 01:30:31,470 --> 01:30:36,300 their profile I use it give him 5%. And you know, you notice 1439 01:30:36,300 --> 01:30:40,650 that the artists don't talk about that much. Because they 1440 01:30:40,650 --> 01:30:44,400 know is like, Wow, if I get in the blog, I mean, the no agenda 1441 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:52,380 blog, get some action. Get some action, lots of action. Lots of 1442 01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,520 action happening there. It doesn't even go to no agenda. It 1443 01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,300 goes to everybody else, which is why I love it so much. I'm 1444 01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:03,180 excited about this. And I really have already been thinking about 1445 01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:08,100 a name. You know, there's tons of content, there's tons of 1446 01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:12,990 music, there's tons of artists. And you know, I'm very excited. 1447 01:31:12,990 --> 01:31:18,240 I'm so excited about leading the way and let's let's have 1000 1448 01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:23,880 music shows. This is what we're missing. Do you have your at the 1449 01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:28,200 artists are at the mercy of the algo 1450 01:31:28,770 --> 01:31:33,180 Dave Jones: boost? So are you waiting to start this show until 1451 01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:34,740 you get these chapter values? 1452 01:31:35,070 --> 01:31:37,170 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's that's all I need. The minute I have 1453 01:31:37,170 --> 01:31:40,650 that I'm off to the races. The minute I have that and the end 1454 01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:43,740 as I said, there's a lot of artists who bought back their 1455 01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:46,740 royal their their rights, they have the rights and they're 1456 01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:51,840 happy to they're happy to do the experiment. I'm not sure what 1457 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,750 difference does it make not making money off it any other 1458 01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:58,890 way? So yes, I'm waiting for that and the minute that's 1459 01:31:58,890 --> 01:32:00,990 there, then then we're good to go. 1460 01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:09,030 Dave Jones: Shred it in. So I'm going to a comic cons route 1461 01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:12,720 after the show. What up and hunts have in Huntsville, you 1462 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,630 actually go into a Comic Con. Yeah, it's up in Huntsville, 1463 01:32:15,630 --> 01:32:18,810 Alabama. I'm like a huge, make no apologies. I'm a huge Star 1464 01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,870 Trek nerd. And I want to go get my picture made with William 1465 01:32:21,870 --> 01:32:22,320 Shatner. 1466 01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:25,020 Adam Curry: Oh, he's gonna be there. Yeah, 1467 01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,900 Dave Jones: it's like 1000 years old. Wow, I 1468 01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:32,850 Adam Curry: didn't Yeah, that's interesting. Dave for all all 1469 01:32:32,850 --> 01:32:35,370 the years I've known you I did not know any of this. 1470 01:32:35,610 --> 01:32:40,440 Dave Jones: You didn't know as a Star Trek nerd. No. It's I keep 1471 01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:42,930 it to myself, but you know, it's no secret 1472 01:32:45,060 --> 01:32:47,610 Unknown: you certainly have your sensory definitely a space 1473 01:32:47,610 --> 01:32:52,140 vessel of some type. Origin unknown could hardly be an 1474 01:32:52,140 --> 01:32:53,700 Earthship there have been no flights into 1475 01:32:53,700 --> 01:32:56,160 Adam Curry: this sector for years now named the episode 1476 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,520 Dave Jones: that no there's there's no way there's no 1477 01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:07,800 Unknown: Chinese this week launched something called a 1478 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,810 quantum communication satellite 1479 01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,090 Adam Curry: something different I'm just going through my all my 1480 01:33:12,090 --> 01:33:16,050 clips. He lives for Star Trek stuff. I've all kinds of stuff 1481 01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,440 Dave Jones: we can dive into but I had to write it down run race 1482 01:33:19,530 --> 01:33:24,270 right what down the chapter level value blog so well. Okay. 1483 01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:25,350 Adam Curry: Yeah. 1484 01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:30,030 Dave Jones: What is there a bed of space music going on here? 1485 01:33:30,030 --> 01:33:33,510 Adam Curry: This is Star Trek. This is the Cincinnati pops our 1486 01:33:33,570 --> 01:33:36,810 orchestra. This playing on battle theme. 1487 01:33:38,130 --> 01:33:39,450 Dave Jones: That is the Klingons battle. Yes. 1488 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,670 Adam Curry: As you recognize it immediately. Battle Royale Yes. 1489 01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:47,130 Put your glasses up on your nose Hello nerd 1490 01:33:51,390 --> 01:33:55,050 Dave Jones: a you call nerd now but in a couple of hours. I'll 1491 01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:56,460 have a picture with William Shatner. And you 1492 01:33:56,850 --> 01:33:59,430 Adam Curry: can I just say some I love you Dave Jones all 1493 01:33:59,430 --> 01:34:02,160 aspects of you all facets. There's nothing wrong with you 1494 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,600 my brother. So we thank you for people here so so we can just 1495 01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,950 take a breath. We shall and boy do we have some people to thank 1496 01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:17,340 we got some nice booster grams 55,555 What's the five five by 1497 01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:21,390 five? I guess five by five boost? Oh, nice from HR and he 1498 01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:27,660 says for all the drummers out there. Yeah. Drummer gets paid 1499 01:34:27,690 --> 01:34:29,280 Yes. drummers. Oh, 1500 01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:32,250 Dave Jones: by the way that I've got I've got to throw this in 1501 01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:40,350 here. So there's a guy here in town that teaches guitar lessons 1502 01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:45,330 and drum lessons and he's just a great great dude. He runs a a 1503 01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,640 nonprofit thing for inner city case was right down the street 1504 01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:56,040 from us to teach kids how to play music, and lots of great 1505 01:34:56,310 --> 01:35:00,120 volunteer work and everything. But he's just a cool dude. And 1506 01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:05,040 so he he played and toured with bands for many years. And so I'm 1507 01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,440 Oh, he invited us over me and Melissa overdose house to eat 1508 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,770 dinner and wherever they're eating, and he said, because we 1509 01:35:10,770 --> 01:35:14,670 donate to their to their thing and he was like, he's like, 1510 01:35:15,450 --> 01:35:18,030 saying something about it about country music. I said, Well, 1511 01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:21,210 I've got I've got to admit to you that my, my secret shame is 1512 01:35:21,210 --> 01:35:25,260 that I'm a huge Janata Twain fan. And he was like, he was 1513 01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:31,200 like, Dude, we had he said, we're doing a concert in October 1514 01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,820 where we're doing nothing but should not wine covers. And he 1515 01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:38,610 was like, he was like, you play drums? writessay Yeah, he's 1516 01:35:38,610 --> 01:35:43,290 like, our drummer is super flaky and in in tends to bail out 1517 01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,750 you're gonna bail us out. Can you please play drums for our 1518 01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:51,240 hotline concert? So there's a chance that we'll be playing 1519 01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:52,500 twinset 1520 01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:55,290 Adam Curry: dude and October you what you need is you need that 1521 01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:59,790 Tommy Lee cage flips over you need to wear the little Speedo. 1522 01:36:00,690 --> 01:36:02,760 Dave Jones: spins around goes upside down. Yeah, one 1523 01:36:03,690 --> 01:36:06,030 Adam Curry: little Speedo underwear. Yeah, man. You could 1524 01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:09,030 be telling me you got a gift tattoo. You have no tattoos? 1525 01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:10,500 Dave Jones: No, no, no, don't do that. 1526 01:36:10,559 --> 01:36:15,329 Adam Curry: We should get a tap together. Like the heart. Yeah. 1527 01:36:17,549 --> 01:36:22,919 We got 77,777 from Mike Newman. He says a striper boost for 1528 01:36:22,919 --> 01:36:29,429 mercy. He says love Bart and the boys. I love him too. Man. Those 1529 01:36:29,429 --> 01:36:33,779 are those are really nice. Guy's super nice guys. Great show two. 1530 01:36:34,049 --> 01:36:38,819 Good music. Curtis Peterson 50,000 SATs we eat this week 1531 01:36:38,819 --> 01:36:42,449 Dave. Thanks for Thanks for the great discussion and all your 1532 01:36:42,449 --> 01:36:47,459 work as a consumer of pods. Is there a way to aid podcasters in 1533 01:36:47,459 --> 01:36:53,609 keeping channels open and ensure inbound capacity? Well, 1534 01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:54,630 Dave Jones: we do that's one of our jobs. 1535 01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,370 Adam Curry: That's what we do. I mean, you know, we're still 1536 01:36:56,370 --> 01:37:02,250 suffering from from the Zappa Palooza where people I got a 1537 01:37:02,250 --> 01:37:06,060 message the other day, you you, you first close my eyes and my 1538 01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:09,630 channel. No, we didn't force closing on purpose. In fact, 1539 01:37:09,630 --> 01:37:12,060 I've never force closed everything, anything on purpose. 1540 01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:15,420 That's just the nature of what happens sometimes. So hit us up 1541 01:37:15,420 --> 01:37:18,270 where happened to we're happy to if it closes, let us know. We'll 1542 01:37:18,270 --> 01:37:24,150 open it again. That's what we do. Have had 1111 Sir Spencer 1543 01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:30,120 33,333 It says music splits is a life changer. I love the idea of 1544 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,300 some dynamic value tag that listens to what's now playing 1545 01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:36,810 for a live stream that plays music, which even be made with 1546 01:37:36,810 --> 01:37:40,440 the split kit is a piece of the puzzle just looks just something 1547 01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,930 that looks at a dynamic value block that is changing 1548 01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:45,840 throughout a live item. I love the chapter level value block 1549 01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,950 idea. Well I think we've kind of figured out we're gonna do and 1550 01:37:49,950 --> 01:37:53,340 it's live streams are great. And, and I intend to do some 1551 01:37:53,340 --> 01:37:56,640 shows lit but I'm gonna have to do some production because we 1552 01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,900 have to, we can't release a podcast before with music and it 1553 01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:03,450 before all the chapter value blocks are in. So we're gonna 1554 01:38:03,480 --> 01:38:06,450 want to take this one. I'm gonna do some little extra work on 1555 01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:10,320 this, not just ram it out live and get it done. But it's gonna 1556 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,220 be for the ages and I'm very excited. There's our Sam Sethi, 1557 01:38:14,220 --> 01:38:16,530 which we read Thank you very much Sam Brian of London. 1558 01:38:16,740 --> 01:38:26,160 7100 71,948 So a super Israel Israel boost. 1948 being the 1559 01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,220 date there. Of course hive has decentralized identity and 1560 01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:33,180 comments smiley face with laughing tears. And here's my 1561 01:38:33,180 --> 01:38:36,960 boost is about two times what I pay for chat. GPT which I've got 1562 01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,370 to say has become very useful to me learning view and JavaScript. 1563 01:38:42,030 --> 01:38:48,720 Well, good. I'm glad chat GPT that I love what's happening 1564 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,460 with chat GPT it's too funny. 1565 01:38:51,330 --> 01:38:54,240 Dave Jones: Never, never never gonna know not a champion. 1566 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:55,200 That's not 1567 01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,420 Adam Curry: interested. It did write a cool shell script for 1568 01:38:57,420 --> 01:39:02,520 me. That was interesting. Steven B 1111. Oh, yeah, yeah, why was 1569 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,360 a very base if I could have gone to Stack Overflow, 1570 01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,470 Dave Jones: and got RM dash RM dash RF slash. There's your 1571 01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:11,040 There you go. 1572 01:39:13,290 --> 01:39:16,530 Adam Curry: Martin Linda's coke. 1776 More power to Martin apod 1573 01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:21,480 friend best premises. Martin Lee does coke. Absurd observations? 1574 01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:23,280 Oh, hold on him sir. Observation 1575 01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:29,280 Unknown: Sakala 20 his blade only Impala. 100,000 1576 01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,570 Adam Curry: Satoshis. How does one whoa not know the intro to 1577 01:39:33,570 --> 01:39:40,110 Baker Street? That's from our pre pre show. Running with 1578 01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:43,740 Scissors emojis, love these lit conversations and agree with DJ 1579 01:39:43,740 --> 01:39:53,160 about nostril. Go podcast. All right. Circus media 12345 1580 01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,230 Elementary booths. Good work. Gentlemen. Thank you for your 1581 01:39:55,230 --> 01:39:58,830 courage. Thank you very much circus media. Pete's bawling. 1582 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:05,430 That's it Ah guy 11,111 Nice satchel Richards my first live 1583 01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:09,330 boost Welcome to the club ma'am. We got the mike Newman one on 1584 01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:12,090 one on one. Oh, thank you. We got the Dred Scott Satoshi slam. 1585 01:40:12,270 --> 01:40:16,470 Eric p p 33,333. We got the anonymous boosting for the boost 1586 01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:21,000 thank you with you one to one to one to 8000 SATs from our Davis 1587 01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,610 87 and boosting for Dave Jones in concert 1588 01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:27,600 Dave Jones: man a woman 1589 01:40:30,780 --> 01:40:38,730 Adam Curry: go podcasting and some service goat karma I 1590 01:40:38,730 --> 01:40:43,350 thought was the goat no karma but a goat goat. Let's see then. 1591 01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:48,000 This is all from the pre show. Tone record. 1111 Murata wrote 1592 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:52,440 Donna Summers hit I feel love. Yes, indeed he did. 2222 from 1593 01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:55,050 tone record Friday is live day way to kick off the afternoon 1594 01:40:55,050 --> 01:40:58,110 neverending story written by Giorgio Moroder for limahl and 1595 01:40:58,110 --> 01:41:00,630 we were doing a lot of illegal stuff earlier, weren't we? 1596 01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:06,540 Anonymous testing the booths terrific boosts chat F 3333. Got 1597 01:41:06,540 --> 01:41:14,400 my pod burst notification all systems go. And, yes, lyceum. I 1598 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,610 got a needed positive push from one of my co hosts on one of my 1599 01:41:17,610 --> 01:41:22,110 podcasts. Martin colong. Talk to our incoming guests about the 1600 01:41:22,110 --> 01:41:26,130 value of new podcast apps and features like clips making from 1601 01:41:26,130 --> 01:41:29,310 an episode if you're a guest. You are known from internet 1602 01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:31,830 radio and Here's an excerpt a teaser from the conversation 1603 01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:35,190 I've no idea what I'm reading, thanks to fountain fountain pod 1604 01:41:35,190 --> 01:41:38,190 verse at all for making it possible. And now with POD fans 1605 01:41:38,190 --> 01:41:41,160 going from Alpha stage to Running with Scissors, scissors 1606 01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:46,710 emoji upside down smiley emoji from Martin Linda's code. And 1607 01:41:46,710 --> 01:41:53,760 let's see, then I believe there's one more here. Dobby das 1608 01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:55,050 Dobie das 1609 01:41:55,410 --> 01:41:57,660 Dave Jones: na ws Rs This blue 1610 01:41:57,690 --> 01:42:03,660 Adam Curry: 29675 message encrypted in the SAT amount to 1611 01:42:03,660 --> 01:42:08,130 96752967 1612 01:42:08,490 --> 01:42:11,250 Dave Jones: What would the would the code be? 1613 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:18,960 Adam Curry: I don't know what the code 29675 Upside Down PSL G 1614 01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,980 known as not upside. work if you stumped you stumped the band. 1615 01:42:25,620 --> 01:42:26,820 Dave Jones: Basic 64. 1616 01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,030 Adam Curry: No idea. No idea what you're talking about. Hey. 1617 01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:35,130 No, no, that's a delimiter delimiter delimiter. Okay. Go 1618 01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:36,120 over to you, Bob. 1619 01:42:36,389 --> 01:42:38,069 Dave Jones: Eating at me up. Okay. 1620 01:42:38,099 --> 01:42:38,999 Adam Curry: You're good to go. 1621 01:42:39,389 --> 01:42:44,519 Dave Jones: We got we got exactly one Pay Pal this week. 1622 01:42:44,549 --> 01:42:47,219 And that was from Marco $500. Oh, we'll 1623 01:42:47,220 --> 01:42:48,690 Adam Curry: take that. Thank you very much. Mark. 1624 01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:53,459 Unknown: Sakala 20 is played on him, Paula. 1625 01:42:54,150 --> 01:42:56,370 Adam Curry: I love how we don't have to tell him anything. Don't 1626 01:42:56,370 --> 01:42:58,350 we don't tell him what to do. And he supports us. 1627 01:42:58,830 --> 01:43:01,020 Dave Jones: That's what he said. I don't want to be told what to 1628 01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:03,360 do. So and we don't 1629 01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:05,940 Adam Curry: we don't? We don't. It's a very simple 1630 01:43:05,940 --> 01:43:06,570 Dave Jones: relationship. 1631 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,180 Adam Curry: Yes. It's one of the best ones we have. And we 1632 01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:13,020 appreciate it so much. We really thank you, Marco go overcast. 1633 01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:17,220 Dave Jones: I'll read the I'll read the monthlies first because 1634 01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:19,620 we only get we've got four of those and then we'll read the 1635 01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:22,320 booths. All right, we got monthlies where Michael Gagan $5 1636 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:29,610 Charles current $5 Trevor zener $5 and Paul airscale $11.14 1637 01:43:29,610 --> 01:43:30,120 Thank you. We 1638 01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,520 Adam Curry: got six servers running for that we appreciate 1639 01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,960 that. So that's those are the monthlies. I think a lot of 1640 01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,860 people gave up too. I mean, I really feel that this tax season 1641 01:43:40,890 --> 01:43:41,700 hurt us. 1642 01:43:43,770 --> 01:43:44,730 Dave Jones: It hurt me. 1643 01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:50,610 Adam Curry: For sure. I'll tell you it hurt me too. Yeah, I'm so 1644 01:43:50,610 --> 01:43:54,600 mad because I could have given money more money away turns out 1645 01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,910 you can give you can give away more than you used to this year 1646 01:43:56,940 --> 01:44:01,020 for some reason. Oh, really? Yeah. I thought it was 10 grand. 1647 01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,220 And but now you can give away more. I'm like, and I could have 1648 01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,310 traveled more because I can write that off. Now instead of 1649 01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:10,710 sending it to Ukraine. It's like 1650 01:44:11,820 --> 01:44:19,740 Dave Jones: a 111 hamara at a time yeah. See, so we got some 1651 01:44:19,740 --> 01:44:22,890 booths we got anonymous central Richards go podcasting thinking 1652 01:44:22,890 --> 01:44:26,580 on this thank you get the trickler since 1234 That would 1653 01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:30,420 be the Swedish trickling through fountain he says go podcasting. 1654 01:44:30,450 --> 01:44:31,500 Adam Curry: Yes won't give them one 1655 01:44:34,620 --> 01:44:39,990 Dave Jones: we'll see total recur sent 9999 through fountain 1656 01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:42,450 he says worlds colliding an episode with quality people 1657 01:44:42,450 --> 01:44:45,390 building things, exploring ideas and even multiple chat rooms 1658 01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:48,330 running in the curry countdown teaser idea tossed out at the 1659 01:44:48,330 --> 01:44:49,020 end boom. 1660 01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:53,370 Adam Curry: Yes. Well, and we're taking we're taking it beyond 1661 01:44:53,370 --> 01:44:56,880 the countdown. The countdown was just one you know. There was 1662 01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,900 some valid feedback about the countdown and The, you know, 1663 01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:04,500 this is always the problem with countdowns with charts, which is 1664 01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:08,670 why don't like him? Obviously, we can't just do it on amount of 1665 01:45:08,670 --> 01:45:11,160 SATs received because then anyone could boost themselves 1666 01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:16,260 into the into the top, top 10. Right, Joe, you know, we have to 1667 01:45:16,260 --> 01:45:17,280 avoid that. 1668 01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,390 Dave Jones: It's I mean, they would essentially do what Taylor 1669 01:45:21,390 --> 01:45:22,620 Swift does. Yeah. 1670 01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:27,120 Adam Curry: So we want to avoid that. So that's why I'm so 1671 01:45:27,150 --> 01:45:30,810 excited about just starting, just starting a show with 1672 01:45:30,810 --> 01:45:34,650 artists who are valued for value. Everybody gets paid, by 1673 01:45:34,650 --> 01:45:39,180 the way, so does your app, your app your app gets everybody gets 1674 01:45:39,180 --> 01:45:44,010 a piece. You know, I gotta say one more thing. So someone on on 1675 01:45:44,010 --> 01:45:49,920 nostril mostly, if I'm loaded up here, created something called 1676 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:55,650 zap worthy. And immediately went to no agenda on an episode and 1677 01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,950 shows that Oh, no, I can zap your show. I'm like, please 1678 01:45:58,950 --> 01:46:03,000 don't do this. You're cutting out everybody who's in the value 1679 01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,170 block split. Right? Now it's like ah, 1680 01:46:08,220 --> 01:46:12,570 Dave Jones: this this is a problem. I don't understand. 1681 01:46:12,570 --> 01:46:17,640 Yeah, I don't there's no and this is a frustrating thing 1682 01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,950 about about the nostre development community that 1683 01:46:19,950 --> 01:46:23,520 they're not they're not seeing they're not seeing all these 1684 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:28,470 things and they're not cutting everything this okay, I'm not 1685 01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:33,060 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go Jihad them. I'm gonna get back 1686 01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:36,000 to booster grand. Okay, because I'm going to end up spending 15 1687 01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,070 Min. I everybody will leave. 1688 01:46:39,210 --> 01:46:44,850 Adam Curry: What who's watching? Is anybody still here? Pauling, 1689 01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:45,750 Dave Jones: P. 1690 01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:47,160 Adam Curry: Pauling. 1691 01:46:47,580 --> 01:46:48,570 Dave Jones: Do you know Pete Pauling? 1692 01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,060 Adam Curry: Well, it's a Dutch name and Pete would be Pete and 1693 01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:56,760 Pauling is eel is piling is a very Dutch like eating their 1694 01:46:56,790 --> 01:47:01,050 eel. Yielding eel pilings, we say hey, like a bottling kit? 1695 01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:01,920 Yeah. 1696 01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:04,680 Dave Jones: Good. So you must know him right? Of course. 1697 01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:06,780 Adam Curry: Of course. I'd probably I probably slept with 1698 01:47:06,780 --> 01:47:07,740 them. It's 1699 01:47:08,910 --> 01:47:12,030 Dave Jones: it's like, it's like that old the old some old 1700 01:47:12,030 --> 01:47:17,460 episode of The Roseanne Barr show it was Roseanne Episode 1701 01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:20,670 Episode of Roseanne, where it was like one of their like, her 1702 01:47:20,670 --> 01:47:24,750 balls or something was was gay. And he's like, Yeah, I'm he's 1703 01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:27,930 like at Poker Night. And he's like, yeah, he's a young guy. 1704 01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:33,360 And nobody knew it get a price get super uncomfortable. All 1705 01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,110 these you know, dudes, and they're like, Oh, I know a guy 1706 01:47:37,110 --> 01:47:43,290 who's gay. He lives in Chicago. You must know. His name's John. 1707 01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:46,260 He's Oh, yeah. Yeah, no engage John from Chicago. Everybody 1708 01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:47,670 knows gauge for Chicago. 1709 01:47:48,690 --> 01:47:50,850 Adam Curry: Sir bemrose says something in the in the chat 1710 01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:53,610 here says addict perhaps David data could publish more 1711 01:47:53,610 --> 01:47:56,280 information about how the index helps to provide podcasters with 1712 01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,150 inbound SATs. That's what we do wasn't a very good explanation. 1713 01:48:00,150 --> 01:48:03,510 I'd said literally, send us your node and we'll open a channel. I 1714 01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:07,110 don't know what more explanation if someone knows they need an 1715 01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:12,630 inbound SATs than they know what they're talking about. Yes, that 1716 01:48:12,630 --> 01:48:18,840 but okay, maybe it's confusing for so you can use a custodial 1717 01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:28,650 service, like get Alby or even fountain or any other type of 1718 01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:32,970 system out there. Or you can set up your own. And if you set up 1719 01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:36,120 your own, we're happy to open a channel to you so that SATs can 1720 01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,900 flow to you. And otherwise we're getting into explaining how the 1721 01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:42,360 Lightning Network works. I don't think that's what we want to do. 1722 01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:47,670 Dave Jones: Yeah, if if you are having trouble maintaining 1723 01:48:47,670 --> 01:48:52,740 enough liquidity, ask us for a bigger channel and we will give 1724 01:48:52,740 --> 01:48:55,290 you a bigger channel. I mean, that's pretty simple, right? 1725 01:48:55,290 --> 01:49:00,990 Yeah, yeah. Pizza the pizza doesn't send a donation on chain 1726 01:49:00,990 --> 01:49:03,210 but somehow is not showing up on the tally coin page. 1727 01:49:03,540 --> 01:49:04,800 Unknown: No, hold on a second 1728 01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:09,270 Adam Curry: here. Tada is your tally coin broken tally bomb 1729 01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:09,810 banana. 1730 01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,910 Dave Jones: Let me say I hope it's not broken. That's the 1731 01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:12,600 chain baby. 1732 01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:18,240 Adam Curry: It's on Shane. Man. We'll see we got I have ninth of 1733 01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:23,460 April but that I thought we read that one. I don't see anything 1734 01:49:23,460 --> 01:49:29,160 else on the Yeah, that was the 33,330 Sam is super cool. He's 1735 01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:33,000 like yeah, that's from that was from chyron. Something must have 1736 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,160 gone wrong. I don't know when you sent it. Something was a 1737 01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,380 chain. You broke he broke it man. It's 1738 01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:40,380 Dave Jones: Fleetwood Mac with it. Oh, another one for pay. 1739 01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:45,150 Pauling 4321 Ah, see now was not showing up on telecoil I sent 1740 01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:45,870 the wrong amount. 1741 01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:49,230 Adam Curry: Okay, thanks. Yeah, I guess 1742 01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:53,670 Dave Jones: to solve a problem by doing nothing at all. Chad F 1743 01:49:53,700 --> 01:49:59,970 3333. Can't wait for Adams top 40 radio show. Same here Comac. 1744 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,050 Formic 9999 through fountains to celebrating growth my show 1745 01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,170 America plus has been in the top 50 shows on fountain for two 1746 01:50:07,170 --> 01:50:10,770 weeks in a row got nice boost in show's history. Value for value 1747 01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:13,290 is real. Yeah, 1748 01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,470 Adam Curry: podcast All right man. Congratulations. Another 1749 01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:18,840 valuable value story success story. 1750 01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:22,680 Dave Jones: Are Davis at seven with a boob donation 8008 1751 01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,770 through pod verse he says in the morning after trying to correct 1752 01:50:25,770 --> 01:50:29,310 my original boost boosting this is what I had originally meant. 1753 01:50:29,310 --> 01:50:33,060 I'm looking forward to a wave link wave Lake top 40 Friday 1754 01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:36,090 nights at eight at eight o'clock. Industry 1755 01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:40,530 Adam Curry: Okay. Eight o'clock. All right. Sure. Yeah, there you 1756 01:50:40,530 --> 01:50:44,100 go. I mean, I already have no Sunday module given my Friday 1757 01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:47,970 night. Yes, sir. You don't need dinner. I don't need a life. No, 1758 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:53,400 Dave Jones: no, no. JDP 10,000 says no note. Thank you. JDP 1759 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:59,730 Clark, Ian 25,001 SATs with a beep beep boop boop. Thank lucky 1760 01:50:59,730 --> 01:51:06,090 Thank you very much. Renee. nega 3521 is the data do their 1761 01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:07,080 Adam Curry: job. Very good. 1762 01:51:08,130 --> 01:51:13,170 Dave Jones: Get off conifa. Sneaker, can you can you love 1763 01:51:13,170 --> 01:51:15,450 the podcast? Let's have a beer. If one of you guys are in 1764 01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:17,190 Utrecht, the Netherlands 1765 01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:22,170 Adam Curry: if I'm lost Yes. From last nowhere no, no, no, 1766 01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:24,780 no, not at all. No, it's actually pretty cool. Pretty 1767 01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:25,350 cool town. 1768 01:51:26,940 --> 01:51:30,870 Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast 2222 aroa Ducks through fountain 1769 01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:33,300 nice a super fired up for music in the value blocks. 1770 01:51:33,330 --> 01:51:36,180 Adam Curry: Yeah, we're getting cheap. What are people excited 1771 01:51:36,180 --> 01:51:39,360 about? What are they excited about? Yeah. music music of 1772 01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:39,840 course. 1773 01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,900 Dave Jones: Sir. Bill 25,000 SATs through fountain says love 1774 01:51:42,900 --> 01:51:44,340 the music chats keep it up. 1775 01:51:45,870 --> 01:51:48,750 Adam Curry: Yep, yep. Yeah, we struck a nerve. We struck a 1776 01:51:48,750 --> 01:51:49,080 nerve. 1777 01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:56,370 Dave Jones: But Borsen Borsen Glaber 100 sets through fountain 1778 01:51:56,370 --> 01:51:58,800 he says Adam and Dave, you have one of the best intros within 1779 01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,410 podcasting universe just wanted to state that keep on rockin 1780 01:52:01,830 --> 01:52:05,040 Adam Curry: Thank you. We paid for it. We paid for it. Yes, you 1781 01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:05,490 paid for it. 1782 01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:11,850 Dave Jones: Debellis Zack into Bozak another big donation 808 1783 01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,510 through fountain no note. Thank you to Bozak absurdity it gave 1784 01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:20,670 us 3000 SATs through fountain he says V for V scissors. Gene 1785 01:52:20,670 --> 01:52:23,880 Everett a big row of ducks. 22 to 22 through fountain says 1786 01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:28,560 boost loves the music end of this. I look forward to posting 1787 01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,750 my own music via podcasting. 2.0 1788 01:52:31,380 --> 01:52:35,370 Adam Curry: This is going to be so huge, Dave. Yeah. Because 1789 01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:39,420 what do we have? We have? What is the number one category of 1790 01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:44,700 podcast right now? True Crime true crime. After that, it's 1791 01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:50,040 news. I'd say news ish type talks off. And then for kids. 1792 01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:57,240 Yeah. Well, you get that tag. It was gonna be making podcasts for 1793 01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:03,510 kids. I think I think music will be huge, because it's been so 1794 01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:09,000 impossible to do. And I know that people gravitate even even 1795 01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,390 though I'm, you know, I like playing the hits. The hits that 1796 01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:15,450 I know. I'm looking forward to playing New hits and making new 1797 01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:19,110 hits. That's the dream of every radio guy. I broke that record. 1798 01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,080 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, good. That's 1799 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,330 Adam Curry: what you want. I broke that record, man. Come on, 1800 01:53:24,330 --> 01:53:27,690 man. I broke that. And, and we all made money on it. That's the 1801 01:53:27,690 --> 01:53:28,230 point. 1802 01:53:28,769 --> 01:53:32,489 Dave Jones: That's like, I heard this Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio 1803 01:53:32,489 --> 01:53:36,719 DJ, there was I think it was a I think it was a woman that she 1804 01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:40,049 was like she to this day tells the story of how she was the 1805 01:53:40,049 --> 01:53:45,479 first one to play rush song and like broke them out to the 1806 01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:46,289 American market. 1807 01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,930 Adam Curry: And you and there will be three other DJs across 1808 01:53:48,930 --> 01:53:53,580 the country who will claim the same thing. But in this case, 1809 01:53:53,580 --> 01:53:55,440 everyone has receipts, which is kind of cool. 1810 01:53:56,790 --> 01:54:00,300 Dave Jones: literacies 22 to 22 through fountaining says 1811 01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:03,300 boosting for Sam means been loving his music since the days 1812 01:54:03,450 --> 01:54:07,140 of the format sending V for V his way on wave Lake. Nice. 1813 01:54:07,590 --> 01:54:11,910 Nice. Jean been to 22 to 22. Another big row of dogs to cast 1814 01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:15,540 thematic Jean says Wasn't there some talk a little while back 1815 01:54:15,540 --> 01:54:17,730 about cast ematic or someone working on presenting a 1816 01:54:17,730 --> 01:54:21,150 different interface when the feed is medium equals music. 1817 01:54:21,450 --> 01:54:24,180 That could certainly kickstart some V for V music playback. 1818 01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:30,120 Yeah, I'd suggested that to to Franco and he said that. He said 1819 01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:32,850 that that was a great idea. So I don't know if that means he's 1820 01:54:32,850 --> 01:54:33,060 going to 1821 01:54:33,060 --> 01:54:35,250 Adam Curry: do it. Say that say that again. What's the idea? 1822 01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:39,690 Dave Jones: So the idea was just specifically in cast thematic on 1823 01:54:39,690 --> 01:54:44,730 this, in this instance, that Franco would make a change so 1824 01:54:44,730 --> 01:54:48,360 that when it detects that a feed is medium of music, oh, he would 1825 01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,540 reorder it would set the player up to do the right thing. 1826 01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:54,570 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly what Spotify tried and reverse and 1827 01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:55,620 pretty much failed up. 1828 01:54:56,130 --> 01:54:58,620 Dave Jones: Yeah, but the Franco will succeed Of course, as well, 1829 01:54:58,620 --> 01:54:58,800 man. 1830 01:54:58,830 --> 01:55:00,540 Adam Curry: He's Franco Yeah, 1831 01:55:00,750 --> 01:55:03,600 Dave Jones: that's right. Todd Cochran 10,000 says Adam and 1832 01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,810 Dave love the show doing an in a beat demo boost. 1833 01:55:07,410 --> 01:55:12,270 Adam Curry: Oh, nice. Thank you very much. A booth boost. Booth 1834 01:55:12,270 --> 01:55:15,510 post. Booth booth babe. Nice. 1835 01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:20,100 Dave Jones: Yes. He's the boost baby. Yep, thank you, John. Joe 1836 01:55:20,100 --> 01:55:22,560 ws satchel Richards No, no thank you, Joe. 1837 01:55:22,620 --> 01:55:24,840 Adam Curry: I wonder if I wonder if the person who was who was 1838 01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,540 getting the demo went mad towards like a tight ass man. 1839 01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:28,170 Tend to 1840 01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:33,570 Dave Jones: Todd that 10,000 That's a lot and don't worry 1841 01:55:33,570 --> 01:55:39,780 about it's only like 50 They're like, Well, okay, do me 5000 1842 01:55:39,780 --> 01:55:43,350 SATs thanks. Through the podcast on this website. This is demoing 1843 01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:45,120 V for V payments. We got demos going. 1844 01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:47,310 Adam Curry: Demos everywhere, baby love it. 1845 01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:52,020 Dave Jones: Another one Mike Dell 1000 SATs through pod 1846 01:55:52,020 --> 01:55:54,420 verse. He says hi guys showing off V for V. 1847 01:55:55,110 --> 01:55:58,440 Adam Curry: Cool. This must have been at NAB, I guess. 1848 01:55:58,830 --> 01:56:04,440 Dave Jones: Yeah, must be Todd Cochran. Again, what have you 1849 01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,350 got baller boost. You get your finger on there. Yeah. Todd 1850 01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:10,770 Cochran? 100,420 sets. 1851 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,450 Adam Curry: Yeah, we know what that's for. 1852 01:56:13,410 --> 01:56:17,220 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula. 1853 01:56:17,310 --> 01:56:18,390 Adam Curry: Right brother. Thank 1854 01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:22,050 Dave Jones: you. Go podcasting. Happy belated for 20 Day boost. 1855 01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,830 pricy pants citizen sent us 500 says thank you, Percy pants, 1856 01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:33,750 Borlaug. 42,091 sets of strong work, gentlemen, 1857 01:56:33,810 --> 01:56:38,250 Adam Curry: Chris, thank you. Also for 20 I guess and 91 I 1858 01:56:38,250 --> 01:56:40,440 don't know what now I'm just seeing 420s everywhere. 1859 01:56:40,620 --> 01:56:47,130 Dave Jones: Thanks, George. Oh, Roy scheinfeld Go back 4321 He 1860 01:56:47,130 --> 01:56:51,150 Adam Curry: loves us again. Hello, Roy. Hello Roy Hello 1861 01:56:51,210 --> 01:56:55,590 Don't just stand there boost Thank you Royce from breathing 1862 01:56:56,070 --> 01:56:56,640 from breathe 1863 01:56:56,730 --> 01:56:59,220 Dave Jones: 675 message encrypted in the I have 1864 01:56:59,220 --> 01:57:00,780 Adam Curry: no no idea what that's about. 1865 01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:03,690 Dave Jones: Okay, well, we've got the delimiter here though 1866 01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:04,020 who 1867 01:57:04,050 --> 01:57:05,850 Adam Curry: calmly stripped it is here he is ladies and 1868 01:57:05,850 --> 01:57:08,520 gentlemen. Yes 30 3015 1869 01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,230 Dave Jones: through fountain he says dearest Dave and 1870 01:57:10,230 --> 01:57:15,270 accountable Adam. If imitation be the food of flattery podcast 1871 01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:19,110 on should at some time your current point of view on that 1872 01:57:19,170 --> 01:57:21,630 which is called artificial intelligence change from the 1873 01:57:21,630 --> 01:57:24,840 distraction of in five in bluster to one of informed 1874 01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:28,830 consent do consider AI dot cooking podcast show where 1875 01:57:28,830 --> 01:57:32,850 granular Gregory Forman they provide handy ciders as to the 1876 01:57:32,850 --> 01:57:37,200 navigate the coming Fourth Industrial Complex yo CSB and 1877 01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,570 goof Alright, so 1878 01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:45,960 Adam Curry: Chad GBT AI you know what it is? It's the Segway. 1879 01:57:46,140 --> 01:57:51,360 That's what it is. Yeah, GPP is the new segway. 1880 01:57:51,900 --> 01:57:54,210 Dave Jones: Didn't somebody die on a Segway? Yeah, the 1881 01:57:54,210 --> 01:57:57,930 Adam Curry: CEO of the company. fell off a cliff. Yeah, pretty 1882 01:57:57,930 --> 01:58:02,700 much. But I just remember all l that was the same all venture 1883 01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:05,670 capitalist. Everyone had one all the VC were riding around their 1884 01:58:05,670 --> 01:58:09,210 offices on the Segway. I had one I have a castle, I drove the 1885 01:58:09,210 --> 01:58:13,650 Segway through the castle, and people's cities are going to 1886 01:58:13,650 --> 01:58:17,250 change life is going to change. Nothing will be the same. The 1887 01:58:17,250 --> 01:58:22,200 Segway is the future. That's what Chad GPT is to me. 1888 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:29,580 Dave Jones: Is the Segway the Segway of, of cloud 2.0. 1889 01:58:29,610 --> 01:58:33,090 Adam Curry: Yeah. Segway of web three, or something like that. 1890 01:58:33,090 --> 01:58:36,120 Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Good luck. Good luck finding a 1891 01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:37,680 business model Silicon Valley. 1892 01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,100 Dave Jones: Let's regroup. Regroup for this week. 1893 01:58:41,820 --> 01:58:47,040 Adam Curry: So good news, bad news. Wednesday, I have my final 1894 01:58:47,370 --> 01:58:52,140 oral operation. Okay. This will be a three hour knock them out 1895 01:58:52,140 --> 01:58:55,830 operation so not as bad as the first one. It is of course, 1896 01:58:55,830 --> 01:58:59,580 entirely possible. Friday may be a no go for me. That all depends 1897 01:58:59,580 --> 01:59:03,300 on swelling, etc. Yes, sir. 1898 01:59:03,390 --> 01:59:06,360 Dave Jones: Okay. Not to be dealt with. I mean, well, we 1899 01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:12,270 don't have a guests. Next week. Okay. I think is is two weeks 1900 01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:13,980 from now on May the fifth? I think 1901 01:59:13,980 --> 01:59:16,890 Adam Curry: it is. Yes. Yeah. Because that'll be the 26th. 1902 01:59:16,890 --> 01:59:18,120 Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1903 01:59:18,150 --> 01:59:20,730 Dave Jones: We got Sam Sethi on May the 14th. We don't have a 1904 01:59:20,730 --> 01:59:21,450 guest next week. 1905 01:59:21,540 --> 01:59:24,180 Adam Curry: Oh, Sam Sethi. Come on. That's right. Oh, that'll be 1906 01:59:24,180 --> 01:59:28,440 fun. You can explain to us how pod fans work. Because man, when 1907 01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,590 when he when he sends me an email is like, a lot of 1908 01:59:31,590 --> 01:59:33,660 screenshots. I'm afraid 1909 01:59:33,660 --> 01:59:36,960 Dave Jones: to actually like if I have an idea for a tag. Yeah. 1910 01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,870 I'm afraid sometimes to say it out loud because you're afraid 1911 01:59:39,870 --> 01:59:41,160 he's going to implement right away. 1912 01:59:41,610 --> 01:59:43,530 Adam Curry: Yeah, he'll do the music though. I know how to 1913 01:59:43,530 --> 01:59:45,720 build the music. He'll there'll be all over that right away. 1914 01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:50,370 Dave Jones: All right. Okay, go. I'm gonna go get my picture made 1915 01:59:50,370 --> 01:59:51,240 with William Shatner. I 1916 01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:53,490 Adam Curry: am so excited for you. We are going to post that 1917 01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:55,980 post it on the social let us know that we want to see it. 1918 01:59:56,550 --> 02:00:00,600 Well, and tell him I said hey, we'll do you Note William 1919 02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:06,240 Shatner, absolutely not, but just tell him I said, Hey Dave, 1920 02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:08,970 have a great weekend, man. Have a good time at the Star Trek 1921 02:00:08,970 --> 02:00:12,930 convention chat room. Thank you, along with the nostril bass chat 1922 02:00:12,930 --> 02:00:17,190 room. We'll be back. Hopefully in a week, right here podcast 1923 02:00:17,310 --> 02:00:18,000 2.0 1924 02:00:28,170 --> 02:00:32,760 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1925 02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,460 index.org For more information