Episode 141: Boosting is Loving

1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,970 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for July 14 2023, episode 141 2 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:11,310 boosting his love. Well, hello everybody once again, it's time 3 00:00:11,310 --> 00:00:15,900 for your weekly board meeting podcasting. 2.0 That's right, 4 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:19,230 everything happening in podcast index.org all about the 5 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:22,500 namespace. We got some hot talk for you. And of course, all the 6 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,950 discussions, the arguments and the love chatter from podcast 7 00:00:25,950 --> 00:00:29,610 index dot social. It is the only boardroom with music as a 8 00:00:29,610 --> 00:00:32,370 feature. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 9 00:00:32,370 --> 00:00:35,250 Country and in Alabama, the man who will ignore your block tag 10 00:00:35,250 --> 00:00:38,040 if you're nasty. Say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,050 and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Mr. Jones, if you're nasty if 12 00:00:43,050 --> 00:00:46,380 you're nasty, that's right. If you're nasty. Hello, Dave. 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,189 Dave Jones: Have you seen this Zelinsky meme that's everywhere. 14 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:51,239 You must 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,160 Adam Curry: be this tall to start world war three. 16 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,870 Dave Jones: The funny thing about this thing is not it's not 17 00:00:57,870 --> 00:01:04,080 really the Zelinsky to me. It's it's the is it. All the elite I 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,800 just realized maybe I'm late to the party. But all the elites, 19 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:11,040 they do this weird thing where they where they stand and face 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,170 each other and hold hands and austerity. 21 00:01:13,230 --> 00:01:15,600 Adam Curry: And he says there are the two ladies. 22 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:19,620 Dave Jones: Ladies, and then in that other picture. It's McCrone 23 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:23,430 and Zelinsky stay in the same exact posting, they're holding 24 00:01:23,430 --> 00:01:24,630 hands staring each other's 25 00:01:25,349 --> 00:01:28,289 Adam Curry: repeat all these people are creepy. They are 26 00:01:28,290 --> 00:01:30,960 Dave Jones: creepy in real life, 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,969 Adam Curry: and that and that whole NATO Summit, that's just 28 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:38,099 an arm sales conference. Okay, so can we sell some more stuff? 29 00:01:38,609 --> 00:01:39,749 All right, we'll figure it out. 30 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:41,610 Dave Jones: Brought to you by Lockheed Martin. That's 31 00:01:41,610 --> 00:01:43,080 Adam Curry: right. How you doing, brother? 32 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:44,760 Dave Jones: I'm good. I'm good, 33 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:48,150 Adam Curry: man. Very good. I always love it when it's just 34 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:50,790 you and me. I mean, I like having guests. Don't get me 35 00:01:50,790 --> 00:01:54,870 wrong. Yeah, just the two of us. Don't get me wrong. And of 36 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:58,920 course, we have a chat room. Hello, chat room. Chat Room was 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,630 there as we are live. Oh, of course. I forgot you are 38 00:02:03,630 --> 00:02:07,680 streaming live on on your video thing. 39 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:09,990 Dave Jones: So you're not a distraction to me. I swear. It's 40 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:12,060 Adam Curry: your only fans. I know. It's your only fans. 41 00:02:14,850 --> 00:02:19,500 Dave Jones: I will be taking requests boosting your request. 42 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:19,890 Goodness 43 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,770 Adam Curry: gracious. Well, right off the bat. We've had a 44 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:25,140 couple of nice pre boosts, which I think we should thank people 45 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:28,110 for just because I mean, it's lovely. It's lovely when this 46 00:02:28,110 --> 00:02:33,900 happens. Hello anonymous. 50,000 SATs, sending this to you guys 47 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,270 because I can't figure out how to move my SATs with I'll be 48 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,910 back on chain one day. I'll figure this all out until then 49 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:39,840 go podcasting. 50 00:02:41,699 --> 00:02:43,109 Dave Jones: I hope you never figure it out. 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,430 Adam Curry: And we did a pre show which we always do. And we 52 00:02:47,430 --> 00:02:50,040 got a lot of boost for the pre show people love the pre show 53 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:55,260 Dave Jones: is because of our amazing do it. Our voices blend 54 00:02:55,260 --> 00:03:00,630 seamlessly together in a rush. Vocal vocal harmonies. It's 55 00:03:00,630 --> 00:03:01,200 velvet. 56 00:03:01,230 --> 00:03:02,490 Adam Curry: It's just pure velvet. 57 00:03:03,870 --> 00:03:06,120 Dave Jones: It is that's what they've always called it. 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,100 They've always called me the velvet hammer, you know? 59 00:03:10,530 --> 00:03:16,890 Adam Curry: Oh man, hey. Okay, I'll start. I'll start with my 60 00:03:16,890 --> 00:03:20,250 music show. I'm getting ramped up, getting ramped up. I'm 61 00:03:20,250 --> 00:03:23,190 getting amped up. I have a name. I've decided on the name. It's 62 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:25,590 kind of a little bit something that came from the last show. 63 00:03:26,430 --> 00:03:29,160 Dave Jones: I hadn't had names to suggest or I don't know 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,190 Adam Curry: I'm not I'm loosey goosey. What names do you have? 65 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:33,570 Dave Jones: He does a terrible thing to ask you. 66 00:03:33,570 --> 00:03:36,900 Adam Curry: But am I for you never never 67 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:40,620 Dave Jones: know the answer is no, no, no, no. Go ahead. What 68 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:43,260 do you thought about lightning round? 69 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:47,249 Adam Curry: Oh, I like that. Now. Did you see if there was a 70 00:03:47,249 --> 00:03:51,239 domain name available for that? No, of course not. Well, let me 71 00:03:51,239 --> 00:03:55,739 check. Okay, lightning, I like lightning round. Although it 72 00:03:55,739 --> 00:04:00,689 does kind of suggest something fast and short stuff. True. 73 00:04:01,109 --> 00:04:05,249 True. True. So I could register lightning round.com 74 00:04:05,850 --> 00:04:08,280 Dave Jones: I just wanted to get that on the board before I hear 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,810 your your actual 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,970 Adam Curry: I'd like it. I like it on the board. I'd like it. 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,290 Okay, so let me see under can I register this? Let me see. Let 78 00:04:16,290 --> 00:04:18,690 me see what's available. Now it's not available. 79 00:04:19,230 --> 00:04:21,600 Dave Jones: Okay, well, it's off the table. Okay, off the board. 80 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:22,800 I put I retract it. 81 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,020 Adam Curry: I was thinking you know what, what would be the 82 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:28,980 most clear because basically I'm going to be playing tracks. 83 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:33,660 tracks that are value for value enabled. I'm sure as as the show 84 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:38,340 progresses, there'll be more information I mean, I'll talk 85 00:04:38,340 --> 00:04:41,370 some crap and backstory and stuff when I can and maybe we'll 86 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:45,390 have an artist on you know from time to time or have someone do 87 00:04:45,390 --> 00:04:47,700 a quick interview. I don't know I mean, I'm leaving it open but 88 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:52,530 the the main thing is to be playing music. And I just keep 89 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:54,750 coming back to booster Grand Ball. 90 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:57,750 Dave Jones: Booster. Grand Ball is a great name. 91 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,450 Adam Curry: I mean, and I have the domain name it just feels 92 00:05:00,450 --> 00:05:03,930 right. It's exactly what the show is. It's you know, we want 93 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:07,680 people boosting booster grams, we want it to be a ball to know 94 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:11,220 a musical ball, but just have a ball, bring your ball, 95 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:15,360 Dave Jones: ball and go home when it's over, hey, don't 96 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Adam Curry: take that ball and go home. So now what I'm looking 97 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,380 for now, is I need some imaging. Also, there's so much already 98 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:28,860 available for boosts. And for booster grams, you know, we have 99 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:33,330 a lot of got a lot of that kind of stuff. When I'm looking for 100 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:39,210 is a show opener, anybody want to give that a stab? It doesn't 101 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:42,600 have to be one set show opener, I will put you in the value 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,990 block. So I'm looking for jingles. I'm looking for 103 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:50,580 positioning music stuff, whatever it is. Because I can I 104 00:05:50,580 --> 00:05:54,120 can make it myself but why bother when other people be 105 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,020 happy to do it? 106 00:05:56,370 --> 00:05:58,920 Dave Jones: And, and you and they have a different 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,260 perspective that you may not have which always comes through 108 00:06:02,189 --> 00:06:04,499 Adam Curry: like totally. So this is the stuff that I had for 109 00:06:04,499 --> 00:06:08,759 daily stores code in its most recent iteration. That's not 110 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,449 That's not that one. Where's my opener? Oh, this is the one 111 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:18,659 opener here we go this one sysadmins ensuring five nines 112 00:06:18,659 --> 00:06:32,639 uptime 21st century of radios live on noise that kind of stuff 113 00:06:32,669 --> 00:06:38,249 or this kind of stuff you know anything I can transition 114 00:06:38,249 --> 00:06:42,269 between songs that kind of stuff I'm looking for. And I'm I could 115 00:06:42,299 --> 00:06:46,079 I could call Jeff Smith and say make something for me. But I 116 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:49,739 want it to be a much more community thing. So I want to 117 00:06:49,769 --> 00:06:52,229 and I want to have lots of stuff when I have lots of options. So 118 00:06:52,259 --> 00:06:55,859 if anyone's interested send it to me. I would highly appreciate 119 00:06:55,859 --> 00:06:56,129 that. 120 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,210 Dave Jones: No are you wanting per episode art? 121 00:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,080 Adam Curry: Wow, I mean if possible, that's beautiful. But 122 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,050 that's you know if that's it would require me doing it live 123 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:10,800 and I'm not I want to do it live and live as as much as possible. 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,220 I haven't selected a day yet. But maybe it's something I do 125 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:16,620 right after this show on a Friday since I'm already all 126 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:17,490 jacked up. 127 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:22,650 Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Oh wait so um, so you you're were you 128 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:27,540 planning to start this new podcast with without live and 129 00:07:27,540 --> 00:07:30,810 then go to live lighter? Is that what I'm hearing? Are you going 130 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:32,250 to do live from the beginning I was 131 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:34,170 Adam Curry: I was hoping to do it live from the beginning 132 00:07:34,170 --> 00:07:36,090 actually thought that would be kind of cool. 133 00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:38,430 Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz that's I mean that's that's your that's 134 00:07:38,430 --> 00:07:39,060 your style. 135 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:42,480 Adam Curry: See, dubs is saying it's not in the split that I do 136 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,880 something wrong. I just want understand. Did we do something 137 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,440 wrong? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know when people 138 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,620 say that I get worried. You know? What's not we don't know 139 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:56,490 what we don't know what it means. Don't just say it. Don't 140 00:07:56,490 --> 00:08:01,320 just do that to me. Yeah, so and I want to get started pretty 141 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:09,150 soon I got the beta the fountain beta that has the references so 142 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,820 yeah, the song show up at WC net. Are you on? 143 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:14,460 Dave Jones: Yeah, Mom got it. Yeah, minute I've been I've been 144 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:14,970 playing with it. Yeah. 145 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:16,710 Adam Curry: Okay, so how why is this beta? 146 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,380 Dave Jones: How wide is it? Yeah, how would you mean 147 00:08:19,410 --> 00:08:23,220 Adam Curry: well, I mean, how boost the boost bot is it's I 148 00:08:23,220 --> 00:08:26,160 don't know if it's in the white book. How widely distributed is 149 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,450 the beta is my question. 150 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:28,800 Dave Jones: Oh, I'd I don't know. 151 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:32,790 Adam Curry: The boost bot is most fountain boost but I need a 152 00:08:32,790 --> 00:08:35,910 different boost bot in there. Okay, well, I can't do that now. 153 00:08:36,330 --> 00:08:39,630 Dave Jones: We'll see. That's it Sam a note this morning acid 154 00:08:39,660 --> 00:08:43,200 asking to get because I still can't get in my pod fans. And 155 00:08:43,499 --> 00:08:47,279 Adam Curry: you can't get an either. Yeah, it's it's like the 156 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:50,849 two guys who really needs to be in there. Definitely need to be 157 00:08:50,849 --> 00:08:51,809 in that in that thing. Well, 158 00:08:51,809 --> 00:08:55,229 Dave Jones: I feel I feel so in order to in order to launch your 159 00:08:55,229 --> 00:08:59,849 podcast you I mean, you really need that you need pod fans 160 00:08:59,849 --> 00:09:03,449 needs to be on the online I mean, because we need to be able 161 00:09:03,449 --> 00:09:07,379 to because that's one day. So we have curio caster fountain, pod 162 00:09:07,379 --> 00:09:13,379 fans and pod friend. Those Those for support. Support the value 163 00:09:13,379 --> 00:09:19,559 times split and then podcasts Guru is coming. So and is pod 164 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,899 verse. Is that still in beta? Do we know? For the pod? For the 165 00:09:24,899 --> 00:09:25,889 for the vape? I 166 00:09:25,890 --> 00:09:29,160 Adam Curry: don't know. I don't know. I'm also Mitch was here 167 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:31,860 also see dubs are saying I'm fountain to live block says it's 168 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:35,820 ended. Well, that's fountains problem because I'm live. My 169 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:39,060 life block says it's good to go. I don't understand any of what's 170 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:39,630 going on. 171 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:43,080 Dave Jones: This is a great endorsement. I'm for all this. 172 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:45,540 Adam Curry: Well, I'm sorry. scissoring time you know, but 173 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:47,790 I'm just worried that I'm not doing the split kid right, 174 00:09:47,790 --> 00:09:51,030 because I'm not sure what is in charge of what? I guess let me 175 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:52,140 check. I mean, 176 00:09:53,309 --> 00:09:55,799 Dave Jones: oh, yeah, we're live. It says punchy. I'm 177 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,019 looking at the feed right now where it says we're live. 178 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,310 Adam Curry: Right then Honestly I don't have the boost the boost 179 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:05,370 bot I don't have that what is the what is the boost bots? 180 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,430 Dave Jones: Oh bless you Steven do you put podcast chat tag in 181 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:14,730 there is always one step ahead brother. 182 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:15,780 Adam Curry: Did you do something good? 183 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,200 Dave Jones: Yeah, I put the podcast the new unform alized 184 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,400 podcast chat tag. 185 00:10:20,669 --> 00:10:23,459 Adam Curry: Ru Yes, yes, I know that I knew that wasn't okay 186 00:10:23,489 --> 00:10:27,659 with IRC right the boost bot so the boost bot I have to add this 187 00:10:27,659 --> 00:10:34,049 okay. All right. Oh ma second let's get scissoring tireless 188 00:10:34,049 --> 00:10:36,599 the weather reminds We'll do it live Hold on a second. So 189 00:10:36,629 --> 00:10:40,709 episode I'm gonna I'm gonna change will this work? Or will 190 00:10:40,709 --> 00:10:43,379 people have to reload their? They'll have to reload their 191 00:10:43,379 --> 00:10:44,159 feed, won't they? 192 00:10:44,250 --> 00:10:45,900 Dave Jones: I don't even know what you're doing. Okay, 193 00:10:45,929 --> 00:10:48,419 Adam Curry: I'm adding in because someone's complaining 194 00:10:48,419 --> 00:10:53,879 that the boost bot is not is not in this in the live split. To 195 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:57,929 see dogs is complaining see dogs is complaining. So I guess then 196 00:10:57,929 --> 00:11:01,169 it doesn't show up in the in the chat. Does that make sense? 197 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:06,749 Dave Jones: I don't know. Try it. Okay. There's only one way 198 00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:07,169 only one 199 00:11:07,170 --> 00:11:09,810 Adam Curry: way to find out. Okay, so I put the boost bot in 200 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:17,670 there for 1% of the split. Okay, publish feed. And there we go. 201 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,560 So hopefully that works. I don't know. 202 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,570 Dave Jones: If we see all if we see all listeners drop off at 203 00:11:24,570 --> 00:11:25,050 the same time. 204 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,409 Adam Curry: Well, what everyone needs to do now is boost. If you 205 00:11:28,409 --> 00:11:32,249 know I'm saying this is Hey everybody. Let's test the boost 206 00:11:32,249 --> 00:11:34,949 bot. Well go. 207 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:37,320 Dave Jones: It's not a great test for me because I wasn't in 208 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,980 there. So I guess I'm a that's not an accurate test. But let me 209 00:11:41,010 --> 00:11:45,120 let me go do it real quick. No. Where are you? Trying to boost 210 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:45,360 bot 211 00:11:45,390 --> 00:11:49,350 Adam Curry: okay. I don't know what the boost boost boost BOD 212 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:51,390 is the thing that I understand 213 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:53,370 Dave Jones: to boost the Akira casting. 214 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,830 Adam Curry: Okay, and then what is what is supposed to happen? 215 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,580 It's mostly loose but should get it right. But then the boost bot 216 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:03,180 will also show up in the IRC chat. This is excusing. 217 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah, this bus should show up because 218 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,410 that's what this one is. Normally it will let me get into 219 00:12:07,439 --> 00:12:11,489 Adam Curry: like got your boost. Okay, yeah, got 123 does not 220 00:12:11,489 --> 00:12:16,649 show up in did not show up in the yo boost in the Mossad. 221 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:22,830 Dave Jones: And I gotta just an essay. 1234 Hopefully it goes to 222 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:26,340 this book. But probably not. Yeah, 223 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,900 Adam Curry: I have no idea. Okay, well, anyways, this is 224 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:33,840 great. I noticed. Oh, there we go. Yeah, that works. There you 225 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,690 go. Eric P P. Okay. Booth spot is working. All right. All 226 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:42,300 right. See, dubs not allowed to talk anymore for the rest of the 227 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:47,700 show? distracting me Stop it. Just stop it. Stop it. So yeah, 228 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:51,270 so I'm really excited. As soon as I have some imaging stuff. 229 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,930 And with that, I mean, like the sound sound imaging, I'm gonna 230 00:12:54,930 --> 00:12:58,680 get started. And I want to do it live. Because I think that'll be 231 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:02,310 the most exciting and maybe we can even take some requests, you 232 00:13:02,310 --> 00:13:06,990 know, stuff like that. I'm going to start live, and we'll see 233 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:09,810 where it goes. And that means I probably won't have a set 234 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,620 schedule in the beginning. Because, you know, I already 235 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:17,250 have no days left in the week. So I got to figure out when when 236 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:21,540 to do that. But the release of it will be on the same day, if 237 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:24,720 that makes any sense. So when when we go live will be one 238 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,840 thing will but when when it releases will be a second thing. 239 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:28,860 And 240 00:13:29,010 --> 00:13:32,580 Dave Jones: the the request, the the request part is really 241 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:35,280 interesting. I mean, that we could have a lot of fun with 242 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:35,970 that. Yeah, 243 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,980 Adam Curry: yeah. I mean, I want I want people to boost the 244 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:39,540 requests. And, 245 00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:43,799 Dave Jones: yeah, like, we could, like it should be sort of 246 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,769 structured data instead of just a text, hey, I want blah, blah, 247 00:13:46,769 --> 00:13:47,129 blah. 248 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:51,810 Adam Curry: Doesn't why? 249 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:55,260 Dave Jones: Well, cuz it would be because it would be a kind of 250 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:58,110 fun experiment. So if you say, oh, okay, 251 00:13:58,140 --> 00:13:59,970 Adam Curry: I have an idea already. I got an idea. Okay. 252 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:03,690 All right. It would be phenomenal. If people could go 253 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,930 into a webpage. I'm gonna say podcast index, or no, how about 254 00:14:09,930 --> 00:14:12,570 this ln beats? Lm beats is a great way to do it. So you go 255 00:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,750 into LM beats, you find the music you want. And from there, 256 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,650 you should be able to have a request boost form. Yes, that 257 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:24,690 sends it to me. And then I can import it right away into the 258 00:14:24,690 --> 00:14:26,490 split kit. Maybe it's a part of the split kit. 259 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,850 Dave Jones: Yeah, that I think that's that's perfect. So you go 260 00:14:29,850 --> 00:14:33,420 into Yes, you can go into your app, and you can go find the 261 00:14:33,420 --> 00:14:34,530 podcast. You want 262 00:14:34,589 --> 00:14:36,479 Adam Curry: Steven B's already. I can make that happen in the 263 00:14:36,479 --> 00:14:39,659 split cut. Yes, the split kick can actually can actually shave 264 00:14:39,659 --> 00:14:45,239 me while I'm doing the show. The kid can feed my dog can drive me 265 00:14:45,239 --> 00:14:47,939 to work. The split kid can do everything. It's just a little 266 00:14:47,939 --> 00:14:49,499 complicated how it works. 267 00:14:50,220 --> 00:14:53,490 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, it's fine, but it's fine. 268 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,950 Adam Curry: It's fine. I love it. No, this is good. Okay, so 269 00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:58,680 that's all fine. It'd be the split kit you could have a 270 00:14:59,010 --> 00:15:03,780 request to A request thing, then and then I can just say okay, 271 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:08,760 and then what I need Steven is I need to be able to preview the 272 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,460 track when it comes through so it'll be structured so it'll be 273 00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:14,010 in the interface and you'd be able to preview the track and 274 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:18,570 then add it to the to the rundown. So then when I when I 275 00:15:18,570 --> 00:15:23,580 play it, I can I can hit the timestamp and it runs that would 276 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:24,750 be that would be beautiful. 277 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:27,090 Dave Jones: I'm thinking about something here in the 278 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,080 Adam Curry: work coming up with me we're building tools here man 279 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,310 this is great. I love it. 280 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:35,790 Dave Jones: I'm having a thought but I need I'm looking at the 281 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:42,120 spec right now. So you have remote feed Gu ID and remote 282 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:48,690 item Gu ID I wonder if those could be repurposed for this use 283 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:55,470 who say sometimes a payment is fed to a robot so if you had as 284 00:15:55,470 --> 00:16:01,230 if you have that then you could have the action? No, no. Okay, 285 00:16:01,230 --> 00:16:04,290 what's the action alright, if the action is request so let's 286 00:16:04,290 --> 00:16:07,260 just say the action is boost stream or auto currently means 287 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:09,810 you're available off right we can have we have another action 288 00:16:09,810 --> 00:16:10,530 call request. 289 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:14,190 Adam Curry: Oh man. Yeah, now we're talking I love it in 290 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:16,890 Dave Jones: the remote item remote guid would be interpreted 291 00:16:16,890 --> 00:16:23,460 as the thing being requested, not not a split. Okay. Do you 292 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:24,480 catch my meaning? 293 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:29,100 Adam Curry: Steven B. And Nathan Gee, I don't want people to 294 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,520 think it's a metal only cuz I'm gonna play all kinds of stuff so 295 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:36,750 probably not, you know. Interestingly enough, when I 296 00:16:36,750 --> 00:16:41,310 think of booster gram ball, I think of a different song. Do 297 00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:42,660 you know what song I'm thinking of? 298 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:50,070 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, like 299 00:16:51,059 --> 00:16:54,749 Adam Curry: this one. Roger Glover. Ronnie do Ronnie James 300 00:16:54,749 --> 00:17:02,729 Dio love is all clack you know the song? Yeah, yes, for sure. 301 00:17:05,879 --> 00:17:07,979 Understand, yeah. Play the hook 302 00:17:15,780 --> 00:17:24,720 let me fast forward some hours the hook. There we go. The 303 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,620 Butterfly. Butterfly ball. Yeah, that's it. Did 304 00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:30,000 Dave Jones: you see this? Ronnie James, do you? 305 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,630 Adam Curry: Yeah. Was Roger Glover? Really? Yeah. You didn't 306 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:34,140 know that? 307 00:17:34,530 --> 00:17:36,990 Dave Jones: No, I had no idea that was do Oh, yeah. 308 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:39,060 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, that's that was that's what makes the 309 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:47,160 song not gay. I mean, that in the ad sense of gay. 310 00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:52,350 Dave Jones: Thought about that? Yeah. 311 00:17:53,010 --> 00:17:55,200 Adam Curry: Hey, man, that sounds no good, right. Hey, man. 312 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:00,900 It's do brother. Oh, I'm sorry. Back off. I'm sorry. I made a 313 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:01,530 mistake. 314 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,130 Dave Jones: Yeah, like, AC DC. Big. She's got big balls. Yes. 315 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:07,470 Agreed. gaggle pod. 316 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,700 Adam Curry: Okay, so you'll add that to the spec, Stephen B will 317 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,290 build it will be ready by Thursday. 318 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,620 Dave Jones: We should do Stephen B will be ready this afternoon. 319 00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:21,720 I will get rid of not let me right. Actually. 320 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:24,900 Adam Curry: That's cool. All right. Um, we're gonna spawn 321 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,960 something. So I am so excited about this. I just want to 322 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,470 reiterate. And I've written my article for Bitcoin magazine. 323 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,140 They actually already wrote that. Yeah, they actually ping 324 00:18:37,140 --> 00:18:39,570 me. They said, Hey, man, we're excited about your article. Oh, 325 00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:45,510 my God, that never happens. Oh. So I ran it through chat. GPT 326 00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:49,590 and I think it's good now. No, you didn't I sure did. I sure 327 00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:53,220 did to tighten this up and did a pretty good job actually. Yeah, 328 00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:57,720 yeah. But but the final phase is the Tina wash. So I'm going to 329 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,210 send it to Tina. Because that's what she you know, 330 00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,800 Dave Jones: wish you knew what she's gonna do today. What 331 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,880 Adam Curry: is this chat GPT crap. Right away. This is 332 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,620 horrible. So but in your team, that's what she used to do for a 333 00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:13,320 living. I mean, she's a pro so she'll, she'll rewrite rewrite 334 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,710 stuff and put it all in there in the right context. I got about 335 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:24,060 650 words. And let me see. Where is it here? Now I can actually 336 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:33,000 tell you, where is it? Article, podcast, podcasting, 2.0 music 337 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,520 and value for value in the ever evolving landscape of 338 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,190 podcasting, a groundbreaking movement known as podcasting. 339 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:42,060 2.0 has emerged, spearheaded by the geniuses Adam curry. Dave 340 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:45,810 Jones doesn't say that, but I thought it was. This initiative 341 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,180 was born out of the need to protect and extend podcasting in 342 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:51,060 the face of challenges posed by major platforms like apple. 343 00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:55,230 There's a little bit of history there. And then I'm talking 344 00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:58,020 about real time payments. I'm kind of reiterating some stuff 345 00:19:59,670 --> 00:20:03,270 where Some music stuff would I put that in here? Anyway, and 346 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:09,090 I'm trying to simplify it. Oh yeah. The system has the ability 347 00:20:09,090 --> 00:20:11,280 to switch to different payment wallets and splits within the 348 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,740 podcast automatically redirect payments to the owner of a piece 349 00:20:13,740 --> 00:20:16,770 of content using the podcast primarily used for music played 350 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:19,410 in a podcast. Artists are now seeing direct payments from 351 00:20:19,410 --> 00:20:22,050 podcast listeners often surpassing payouts from 352 00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:25,860 streaming services by several magnitudes. recording artists 353 00:20:25,860 --> 00:20:28,410 whose music is not owned by a label or publisher and not 354 00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:32,640 licensed to antiquated agencies, such as ASCAP BMI, are now able 355 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,150 to self host or use a specific hosting provider such as wave 356 00:20:36,150 --> 00:20:40,410 lake.com, music side project.com or dystopia.com. To make the 357 00:20:40,410 --> 00:20:43,320 music available to listeners using V for V enabled apps, or 358 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,490 podcasters, to include them in their shows. Now freed from 359 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,880 outdated ownership and licensing structures. podcasters can 360 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,360 freely share the value of music in their shows, while ensuring 361 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:57,210 the artists received the value sent back by their listeners, 362 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,020 igniting an exciting way for music lovers to discover music 363 00:21:01,050 --> 00:21:03,720 outside of big tech entertainment algorithms and 364 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,760 agendas Bucha Daddy 365 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:12,630 Dave Jones: that I like it. Okay, thank you. Thank you. This 366 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:14,580 is her hooky at the bear. 367 00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:18,690 Adam Curry: There's a lot of words there. But we'll work on 368 00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:25,800 it. So yeah. And it really will ignite a whole new category of 369 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:28,200 and this will be good for everybody. It's going to be good 370 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,010 for hosting companies, it's going to be good for apps, it's 371 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:34,800 going to be everybody's going to benefit because there will be an 372 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,630 entirely new generation of podcasters coming on board. And 373 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:42,750 just think college radio. You know, these were not people who 374 00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:46,650 could talk for an hour had something to say for an hour, or 375 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,800 felt that they were interesting enough to do anything for an 376 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,570 hour. But when it's Hey, ma'am, I'm Pete. Here's some cool 377 00:21:54,570 --> 00:22:00,300 tunes. I really liked man listen to this boom. That opens up 378 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,300 possibilities for a whole new category of podcasting, which 379 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:04,890 has just not existed. 380 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:12,180 Dave Jones: Agreed? Yes. Agreed. Totally. I mean, the so Alex 381 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:15,090 said this, that we shouldn't be building this into the payment 382 00:22:15,090 --> 00:22:18,810 protocol. I agree with that. That's I'm sorry, we shouldn't 383 00:22:18,810 --> 00:22:23,580 want like the whole requests thing. They shouldn't be in the 384 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:29,220 protocol for the payments in a I agree with that. I'm thinking 385 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:32,100 more along the lines like it shouldn't be baked you you're 386 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,130 mixing stuff together so you know we had the actions or like 387 00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:38,250 boost stream or auto Yeah, which those makes it these are all 388 00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:39,510 payment related functions. 389 00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:41,970 Adam Curry: Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. Yeah, okay. 390 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:42,300 Yeah, 391 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:44,580 Dave Jones: yeah, you're you're crossing the streams which is 392 00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:49,260 and I agree with that. Like I'm thinking more along the lines of 393 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:53,940 something that's like you know, so like the request itself or 394 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:59,940 the message itself would contain this structured data so I don't 395 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:03,510 know what we'll figure out it will work yeah will work I mean, 396 00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,280 just make it makes ballin but 397 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,290 Adam Curry: it's a it's a board meeting with just spit ball and 398 00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:13,770 Baby baby knows with no one's moved to motion we're all good. 399 00:23:13,950 --> 00:23:19,830 Take I don't have a PowerPoint. So yeah, I hope to have that 400 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:23,550 going within a week or so. As soon as I have some some imaging 401 00:23:23,550 --> 00:23:28,260 and some booster gram balls to Adam gareeb 402 00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:33,090 Dave Jones: The see that you still blown my mind that as you 403 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:38,400 do. I never knew that. Like, like, because I always thought 404 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,810 that song was super stupid. 405 00:23:41,910 --> 00:23:44,670 Adam Curry: That's why I got you to laugh for like a real belly 406 00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:47,250 laugh for a moment there when I said it to you. Yeah. 407 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:51,900 Dave Jones: The Yes. I think it's general it's just time to 408 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:55,530 start putting all the pieces together. Because we've got tons 409 00:23:55,530 --> 00:24:00,030 of pieces now. And it's time to start kind of wiring them up. 410 00:24:01,410 --> 00:24:06,420 Yes, like Because? Because I went back started working a 411 00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:12,270 little bit on on MK Ultra today. I didn't have much didn't have 412 00:24:12,270 --> 00:24:15,870 much time today. But I started I want to get my hits. I've been 413 00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:17,520 in dashboard mode for a while. 414 00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:21,270 Adam Curry: Yeah. By the way, can I if I can just say go ahead 415 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:24,870 go to the dashboard for the podcast index. I've actually 416 00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:27,750 used it a couple of times successfully now to help people. 417 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,770 There was one that I screwed up royally. That was the lovely 418 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:37,800 lady who who had four shows and then Carolyn was telling me what 419 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,410 to delete and it was the wrong ones believe me. I deleted the 420 00:24:40,410 --> 00:24:43,590 wrong ones. I'm sure of it. Yeah, 421 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:45,570 Dave Jones: I went back there and fixed it. Yeah, 422 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,850 Adam Curry: that was that was that was quite a nightmare. She 423 00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:51,180 had all different feeds and some were right and some were wrong. 424 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:54,540 And she had multiple entries that one I I'm sorry, I just 425 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:55,560 lost it on that one. 426 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,860 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, some of the some of those are so and 427 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:02,670 plus you are her writing style was so difficult to understand. 428 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:03,030 Yeah, we're 429 00:25:03,150 --> 00:25:05,610 Adam Curry: not native English speaker, I thought, right? Sure 430 00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:07,350 she's South American or something. 431 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:10,200 Dave Jones: Those are the instances where you're like, 432 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:13,740 Nancy, Brenda do the Dashboard. Once you probably get into the 433 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:14,430 Yeah, 434 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:16,740 Adam Curry: and I appreciate that. But I've had people say, 435 00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:20,370 you know, delete refresh, a good refresh to successful refresh or 436 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:24,390 like, Hey, how come my show hasn't updated? You go look, 437 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:29,610 last entry 2021? Well, you know, when, you know, when you don't 438 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,310 update, then we kind of push it down to the bottom of the list. 439 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:35,310 And so you know, I won't kick you manually now. Is that okay? 440 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:38,010 That's cool. That makes sense. And I did it. And that happened 441 00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:41,490 right away. It was it was, it was nice. It was it was a 442 00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:43,320 beautiful moment, beautiful moment, he 443 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,230 Dave Jones: would tell me what's Alright, since we're on 444 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:49,800 dashboard talk, tell me what's missing, or what you think you 445 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,110 still need. Before before I get away from dashboard and get back 446 00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:55,800 to MK Ultra. 447 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,850 Adam Curry: So the, one of the main and this was the thing that 448 00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:06,510 confused me, where I think the merge function, I haven't quite 449 00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:10,200 had an opportunity to use that yet. But there's people who 450 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:18,090 will. So here's, it's like, Okay, here's my, here's my feed. 451 00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:22,620 And it's wrong in the index, you know, this is, it's just wrong, 452 00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:26,100 whatever that is a going and you look and you see that on the 453 00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:32,100 current on their new feed, let's say it's Buzzsprout. The entry 454 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:36,150 in the dashboard will show their old feed, which could be a cast 455 00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:42,720 or something else. And if I hit a refresh, or a scan, I actually 456 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,500 have set a reset, which, which, as I understand it, scans the 457 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:50,160 whole thing all over again, all the metadata. That doesn't 458 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,830 actually happen. Or maybe it happens, but it's not showing in 459 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:55,890 the dashboard, because I would expect the new feed to show up 460 00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:57,180 in the feed area. 461 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,430 Dave Jones: Does that make sense? I'm struggling to fair, 462 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:07,050 Adam Curry: I'm gonna have to show you an example. But also, 463 00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:09,150 it's nice that you're talking about a mortgage on that 464 00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:12,390 merging, not a merge now not a merge. Reset I that was 465 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:16,860 confusing. Yeah. So someone will say my podcast is showing the 466 00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:22,530 wrong feed. And it's, it's clearly getting an update from 467 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:27,060 the new feed. But in the dashboard, and on the website, 468 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:31,260 the feed icon links to the old feed, and when I hit reset, it 469 00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:34,470 doesn't appear to reset that feed field. Does that make 470 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:34,890 sense? 471 00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:42,480 Dave Jones: Oh, I see. So you're Oh, after the merge, forget to 472 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,200 merge. Sorry. I 473 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,830 Adam Curry: said merge, no merge unlocked. We're not merging, get 474 00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:51,090 out of get out of merge. Not merging, merging, merging, 475 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:57,360 single entry. Someone says, My podcast has the wrong feed 476 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,990 listed. I'm gonna go in wrong Feed URL, yes, when I go into 477 00:28:00,990 --> 00:28:04,920 the dashboard, right, I can actually search by their new 478 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,390 feed, and it will bring up their podcast from the news feed. But 479 00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:13,050 the old feed is in the feed URL field. 480 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,630 Dave Jones: Okay. And even when 481 00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:18,840 Adam Curry: I hit reset, it does doesn't appear to actually 482 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,610 repopulate that with a new feed. 483 00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:23,549 Dave Jones: Okay, I know what that is. So a bug that I find a 484 00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:25,950 Adam Curry: bug. Come on 485 00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:29,520 Dave Jones: now. Gray Area, it's a gray area. It's a gray area. 486 00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:36,240 So what in the in the index? Every feed has two properties. 487 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:40,650 It's got a feed URL. And it's got something called original 488 00:28:40,650 --> 00:28:45,270 Feed URL. And so when a feed moves from one place to another, 489 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,140 it's like a FIFO, like a first in first out it always your 490 00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:54,570 whatever the feed URL now is. So like if somebody moves from 491 00:28:54,570 --> 00:29:00,480 Buzzsprout to rss.com, their current Feed URL, in a perfect 492 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,490 world, their perfect their current Feed URL would be 493 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:08,220 rss.com, their original Feed URL would be Buzzsprout. Right? So 494 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:13,170 that way, if people are trying to find it, they'll both return 495 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,310 the same feed. So if somebody moves and somebody in but 496 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:21,180 somebody still hasn't caught the memo yet, and they're searching 497 00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:25,470 by the old feed, Jarrell, it'll stop. Correct. Ah, okay. I 498 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:28,920 gotcha. So when you're searching by the old but who no matter 499 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,210 which feed you are, are you so just resetting the feed is not 500 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:39,930 going to change the feed URL in that scenario? What we need is 501 00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,590 Adam Curry: true it also doesn't good it so it also doesn't reset 502 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:48,420 the feed URL on the on the website or I guess the API. 503 00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:52,770 Dave Jones: Right. So what all is a scan just says kick off a 504 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:58,080 new scan for new episodes. Yep, got it. Reset. Does this 505 00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:04,620 sequence of events it If it sets the last modified time and the E 506 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:11,610 tag to blank, it removes all of the episodes that we know about 507 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:18,810 from the database. And then it removes a bunch of cash hashing. 508 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,130 And then it says, Then it says rescan. So basically it 509 00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:27,750 essentially, for it, it's essentially like saying, okay, 510 00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:30,660 index, forget everything you know about this feed and go grab 511 00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:36,690 a fresh copy, right? That will know, in no scenario, will that 512 00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:41,850 change the feed URL. Okay, so the so what we need here is if 513 00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:46,380 somebody says, hey, my feed URL is wrong, we need a sec, we need 514 00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:50,160 that feed URL area to be editable. So you can go in there 515 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,730 and change it. Yeah, so I need to I need to add that feature. 516 00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:58,169 Adam Curry: Yes. Okay. All right. scissoring, gray area? 517 00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:04,320 Dave Jones: Yes, I have a. Okay, having that as an action plan. 518 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,940 Alright, feed. 519 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,190 Adam Curry: Because that's what that's what confused me. Well, 520 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:14,010 just didn't understand that. So I'd say oh, wait a minute. So 521 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,120 this is responding from the right new feed. All everything 522 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,370 showing the episodes are showing, but it would have the 523 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,540 old feed in there. And I'm like, that's wrong. Now I understand 524 00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:26,760 what I was looking, I was misinterpreting what I was 525 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,480 looking at. 526 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,260 Dave Jones: Well, this whole thing is just a symptom of the 527 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:39,030 bigger problem, which is, which is Apple's presence in this in 528 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:39,900 the podcast? 529 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,780 Adam Curry: Well, let's, let's talk about that. Or do you want 530 00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:47,340 to go to MK Ultra, because there, you got pissed off. And I 531 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,740 love and I love it when I see a motion from you, honey. 532 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:53,640 Dave Jones: I mean, I'm typically a zombie. 533 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:59,490 Adam Curry: No, you're, you're the calmest most chill, dude. I 534 00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:04,260 know, I think yeah, I would say you always approach things with 535 00:32:04,260 --> 00:32:09,810 love and compassion, and understanding and empathy. And 536 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,620 when when you're not like that, it gets my attention. 537 00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:18,900 Dave Jones: Cridland accused me of a baffling abuse of power, 538 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:19,710 quote unquote. 539 00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,020 Adam Curry: Yeah, that that, to that? 540 00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:27,000 Dave Jones: It didn't piss me off. I just, I would just rather 541 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,440 reserve terms like baffling abuse of power for like 542 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,740 government corruption. Yeah. And like war crimes. 543 00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:39,390 Adam Curry: Bombs. I think cluster bombs is a little closer 544 00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:40,050 to the 545 00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:45,030 Dave Jones: you were just talking about podcasts. I don't 546 00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:49,020 know that that's justified. But But what if that's, that's fine. 547 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:52,980 But rhetoric rhetoric aside, it was a fair criticism. I mean, 548 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:57,480 like I, I, I get angry and I just in a change something and I 549 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,170 should have I should have talked it out first, because? Because 550 00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:04,020 there are because apps are dependent on the index. And also 551 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:06,930 if it doesn't affect just me, it's not it's not up to me, it's 552 00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:12,480 up to this board meeting for a reason. So no, he is. He was 553 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,690 right in that in that regard. So but, but I mean, more so than 554 00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:22,200 talking about the reason that the feed URLs are so screwed up, 555 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600 and all that kind of stuff. This all goes back to the same thing. 556 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,680 Yeah, apples, apples gray. They've been great in a lot of 557 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,330 ways. But they have really, their presence within the 558 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,720 ecosystem really effed up a lot of stuff. And I don't know how 559 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,700 that's disputable. I mean, so, in this scenario, what happened 560 00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:47,670 was pod verse Colliver pod verse, I think it's, I think 561 00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:51,390 it's Mitch, his brother. He sent he does their admin stuff. And 562 00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:55,560 he sent me a message and said, he forwarded me an email. And it 563 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,690 was an email from one of their users from one of their patrons 564 00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:04,710 and said, Hey, I'm trying to find this podcast on pod verse 565 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:09,150 and I can't find it. And it was bitter blood. Case versus case 566 00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,990 like some kind of Casey case, some family drama podcast, okay, 567 00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:17,910 cool. From ot from Audible, it's like an audible original. So 568 00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:23,490 it's got a public RSS feed. It doesn't look like a private 569 00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:27,930 feed. Like, it doesn't have the hallmarks of like, some sort of, 570 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:30,150 like members only feed or something like that, you know, 571 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:34,320 it just looks like a normal feed. And so I'm like, Well, why 572 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,820 is this thing not showing up? And cause cuz I go in there, and 573 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:39,870 it's in the index. 574 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,340 Adam Curry: I see it. I'm looking at it right now. 575 00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:43,080 6072109. 576 00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:47,249 Dave Jones: Right. But it's dead. It showed up as dead. So 577 00:34:47,249 --> 00:34:51,149 it was not visible within the API. Local. That's odd, because 578 00:34:51,149 --> 00:34:56,219 so that should only happen if I kill something manually, or if 579 00:34:56,219 --> 00:35:00,719 it's got a block tag. So I go look at the feed XML and it's 580 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,499 got a block tag, block, iTunes colon block. Yes. That was, this 581 00:35:07,499 --> 00:35:14,159 is weird. There's so I'm like, Okay, well, why? Why would why 582 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,039 would it be this way? So I go and look in Apple's directory, 583 00:35:17,279 --> 00:35:22,409 and it's there. It's there. And it's in Spotify. And it's in 584 00:35:22,409 --> 00:35:26,399 listen notes, and it's in downcast. And it's evidently 585 00:35:26,399 --> 00:35:30,359 been there. And I'm like, Okay, well, so and so now there's a 586 00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:31,589 situation where, 587 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,620 Adam Curry: why it's so the block tag is not working even 588 00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:40,650 for the literal. The literal interpretation of iTunes block. 589 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:44,520 Yes, the editor and everyone else is ignoring it to 590 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,050 Dave Jones: it. That's the way it seems, is. So a little bit of 591 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:57,810 side note here. We've got questions out to Audible. And 592 00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:02,760 Apple, about what is going on with this particular feed, 593 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,090 because this is indicative of a bigger issue. I'm not going to 594 00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:12,990 say that it's widespread and like, huge, but this happens on 595 00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:17,790 a frequent enough basis that I see feeds that have iTunes block 596 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:24,240 that have the iTunes block tag set to yes. And Apple still 597 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,160 continues to list them. So James came back and suggested that 598 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,110 they this was audible. Perhaps he didn't say this definitively. 599 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:39,480 He said, I don't know. But perhaps audible set this iTunes 600 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,160 block tag to yes. But then went into Apple's dashboard, the 601 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,870 Apple podcast or connect dashboard, and told it to list 602 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:51,840 anyway, somehow, I don't know, I've never been in that 603 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,850 dashboard. I don't know anything about it. I don't even know if 604 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:59,370 that's possible. But whatever. That's one theory. So here, so 605 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,440 if that's the case, whatever the case is, really, what we have is 606 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:13,080 a system now, where you have podcast feeds that? Well, let me 607 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,800 let me back up for a second. The reason I got the reason I got 608 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:25,140 pissed off is you suddenly begin to be aware in a situation like 609 00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:28,050 this, that, that there's a game going on that you weren't 610 00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:34,470 invited to. And that game is this weird interaction of the 611 00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:39,870 podcast ecosystem with the iTunes namespace. So the iTunes 612 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:45,030 needs somebody somewhere, thinks that putting a blog tag in their 613 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:51,030 feed, does something and somebody somewhere else doesn't 614 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:52,230 think that that's the case? 615 00:37:52,530 --> 00:37:55,680 Adam Curry: Well, a lot of somebody's apparently. Right. 616 00:37:55,739 --> 00:38:00,749 Dave Jones: So and let me be more specific. The iTunes 617 00:38:00,749 --> 00:38:07,049 namespace is an app is an accident. The way it's being 618 00:38:07,049 --> 00:38:12,779 used in the podcast world is law. Is is Apple came up with 619 00:38:12,779 --> 00:38:17,909 this with the podcast namespace in order for their prod, what 620 00:38:17,909 --> 00:38:22,889 they're what they did was they gave the they gave the namespace 621 00:38:23,369 --> 00:38:26,909 documentation to the world and said, Hey, if you want your 622 00:38:26,909 --> 00:38:32,849 podcast to function a certain way, within Apple, here's what 623 00:38:32,849 --> 00:38:39,299 you need to do. Right? This namespace defines the way that 624 00:38:39,299 --> 00:38:43,739 you are to write your feed in order for it to perform certain 625 00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:47,579 functionality within Apple's directory and Apple's podcast 626 00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:50,759 player. That's all it does. 627 00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:54,660 Adam Curry: And for some reason, there is an and this is when I 628 00:38:54,660 --> 00:39:00,660 came into the conversation, there is this unwritten law that 629 00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,630 no no and iTunes block means blocks, block it from all 630 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:06,720 directories, which I fundamentally disagree with, 631 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,830 because I read the spec, and it doesn't say that. And what Rob 632 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:14,250 would got thrown back at me is Well, Google says that I don't 633 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:14,730 care. 634 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,479 Dave Jones: See, and that's that's the infuriating thing 635 00:39:18,509 --> 00:39:21,749 about it. Again, why I guess so I think that's the infuriating 636 00:39:21,749 --> 00:39:27,839 thing about this entire setup. Is, is they're both right. 637 00:39:28,649 --> 00:39:33,539 Because Apple, Apple's iTunes names in the iTunes namespace. 638 00:39:34,259 --> 00:39:37,829 All they only care about themselves. They never defined 639 00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:41,069 this and said this is the spec that everybody in the podcast 640 00:39:41,069 --> 00:39:45,059 industry is supposed to use. agreed this, this is not an open 641 00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:49,469 namespace in the sense that we all agree that this is the thing 642 00:39:49,469 --> 00:39:52,349 that we're supposed to use and we all get a voice that you 643 00:39:52,349 --> 00:39:55,139 should stay you should think of the items namespace not as a 644 00:39:55,139 --> 00:40:02,249 namespace not as an open spec, but as an A API. The iTunes 645 00:40:02,249 --> 00:40:06,839 namespace is the API that you use to control 646 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:08,940 Adam Curry: to control how certain things work within the 647 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:10,890 iTunes within the Apple ecosystem 648 00:40:10,889 --> 00:40:14,099 Dave Jones: within the Apple ecosystem. They never guaranteed 649 00:40:14,129 --> 00:40:17,339 anybody that it would work any other way with anybody else's 650 00:40:17,339 --> 00:40:17,909 platform 651 00:40:17,909 --> 00:40:21,419 Adam Curry: question, why do we block something that has the 652 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,679 iTunes block in it then? 653 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:26,640 Dave Jones: Because that's the issue that's in that's the part 654 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,630 that James is talking about is everybody else has adopted the 655 00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:35,610 iTunes namespace to mean to have certain functionality applicable 656 00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:40,470 to them? And so they said, okay, because there was nothing else 657 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:44,220 we didn't exist. The podcast namespace didn't exist. In the 658 00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,850 iTunes namespace was the only game in town by the biggest most 659 00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:51,420 dominant player in the industry, it became 660 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,989 Adam Curry: law. Well, clearly it clearly it didn't, because 661 00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:59,879 you said that there were four other platforms that ingested 662 00:40:59,879 --> 00:41:01,979 this and ignored the block tag, 663 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,400 Dave Jones: including Apple themselves, including, well, we 664 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:05,640 don't 665 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,700 Adam Curry: so we don't actually know why that why Apple ignored 666 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,700 that or if it was a setting that change, but there's a there's a 667 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:16,290 more fundamental issue here. So now we have a namespace three 668 00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:21,390 years old. The namespace is an open namespace that lots of 669 00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:25,890 people contribute to it. Apple has recognized it by verbally 670 00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:30,000 recognized it when it comes to the TX T tag, although that's 671 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,460 wishy washy at this point, I'm not quite sure exactly where 672 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:39,870 we're at. But what I took what I take issue with is I have in the 673 00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:46,320 podcasting 2.0 feed as part of our namespace, which we declare 674 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:52,740 I have on my bring it up here I have podcast block, Apple, yes. 675 00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,940 Podcast block, Spotify. Yes. Podcast block, Amazon. Yes. 676 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,440 Right. And Apple ingested that feed. I didn't put it in there. 677 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080 I don't know who put it in there. But it's in it's in 678 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,540 apple. So they ignore our namespace. Right, right. That's 679 00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:17,970 when so okay, you can be you can be that way. But when the the 680 00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:23,460 reason that is given is well, only 0.3% of the world 681 00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:27,510 recognizes the name of the block tag from the podcast namespace. 682 00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:34,740 That's a bullshit reasoning. They Apple should play nice. And 683 00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:41,220 if you know that, I just that the it goes back to the whole 684 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:44,490 reason we started this day was because people were sucking 685 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:49,290 apples srong that's why nothing ever got done. We they were 686 00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:54,570 treated as the as the owners of podcasting, and they're not. We 687 00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:57,090 have to make a stand with a couple of things. 688 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,490 Dave Jones: No, I agree with you. And the the issue here is 689 00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:06,690 that since Apple's since the iTunes namespace was the 690 00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:14,400 dominant thing for so long, hosting companies decided it and 691 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,650 justifiably, justifiably. So hosting companies took it to 692 00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:24,120 mean Zeiss, Zeiss, and I've spoken with them, they think 693 00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:31,200 they think that the iTunes block tag is a universal signal that 694 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,570 everyone is going to respect or should respect. The iTunes 695 00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:41,580 blocked tag to not list a feed in their directory. And I can 696 00:43:41,610 --> 00:43:45,360 understand perfectly why they think that for reasons we just 697 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:52,710 went into as a problem is that Apple, like I said earlier, 698 00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:56,820 Apple never designed it that way. And because there is a 699 00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:01,560 mismatch of design, there's a mismatch of intent. In Apple, 700 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,830 the reason Apple doesn't respect the podcast blog tag, is because 701 00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:07,470 they don't give a shit about the podcast namespace. They've 702 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,860 already from their perspective, they've already given us a way 703 00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:13,650 to block things in iTunes in the iTunes directory, correct. It's 704 00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:16,770 right there. It's the iTunes namespace correct. But But when 705 00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:23,070 you say, Hey, Apple, I put the iTunes block tag in my feed, and 706 00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:27,030 Spotify still listed apples like they're like, they don't care. 707 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:29,340 Yeah, they don't talk to Spotify. I don't give a shit. 708 00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:33,240 Like that's what they're gonna say in the in. This is all. So 709 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:37,500 there is a fundamental mismatch of desire and intent between the 710 00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:42,720 open podcast community and the actors within it. And Apple, the 711 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,730 most dominant player in that community. So there is no that 712 00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:52,920 is an unresolvable conflict. The only way you resolve this is by 713 00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:58,200 creating a truly open namespace. And that's the US are only and I 714 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,860 can't I can't help the fact like that, it's not that it doesn't 715 00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:05,250 have wider adoption than then it does some of these tags. I can't 716 00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:10,260 help that at all. But I can actually see, my issue is, okay. 717 00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:16,350 There's something here, whether it's a bug, or Okay, let's say 718 00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:22,560 that Jay did James's supposition is correct, is his possible 719 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,400 scenario where there's a thing inside Apple where you can say, 720 00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:30,270 I'm gonna set iTunes blocked to Yes, in my feed, but I'm gonna 721 00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:33,420 go in and tell Apple itself to somehow override that enlisted 722 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:36,990 anyway. Okay? Now you've you've, you're not even you're not open 723 00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:40,920 anymore. This year, you've now set up a scenario where you have 724 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,590 special disposition to mate to, to override feed level 725 00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:51,000 visibility. You've, you've said in your feed, here's, here's the 726 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,780 thing I want. But you've gone into a private API and said, 727 00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:59,190 Here's how you can, here's what I really want, right. And in 728 00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,740 that scenario, we're now no longer talking about open 729 00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:05,610 podcasting, we're talking about private API's that can control 730 00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:09,090 things that that the feed itself says are not true. And this is 731 00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:11,490 what I was talking about with the good with the robots dot txt 732 00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:14,910 file. If I put a robots dot txt file on it that blocks Google, 733 00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,260 and then I go try to go into Google's Admin Tools, they're 734 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:22,560 gonna say, hey, and make sure that something shows up. They're 735 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,990 gonna be like, hey, you need to go change your robots. txt file, 736 00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:26,040 because you're blocking us, 737 00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:27,630 Adam Curry: right? The way it should 738 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,260 Dave Jones: run, because they're playing by open standards in 739 00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:37,620 this scenario, and unlike, okay, if, if, if we're competing now, 740 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:43,320 with a whole bunch of platforms that have private API's that we 741 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,940 don't have access to. My only option is either to create 742 00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:51,930 another private API, which is completely contrary to all of 743 00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:56,970 our ideals and the reason we exist, amen. Or to just say, you 744 00:46:56,970 --> 00:47:00,930 know, what, our apps that depend on us are getting penalized, 745 00:47:01,290 --> 00:47:05,070 because you're not playing by the Open spec of podcasting. And 746 00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,350 I'm not going to play a play along with it either. 747 00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:11,129 Adam Curry: What's, what the ultimately interesting thing to 748 00:47:11,129 --> 00:47:16,379 know is what is the creator's intent, and I'm all for respect 749 00:47:16,409 --> 00:47:21,119 the creator's wishes. So was the creator's intent to block it 750 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:27,479 from just Apple or all all platforms? That is the one thing 751 00:47:27,479 --> 00:47:30,029 we need to know that's the missing piece of information 752 00:47:30,029 --> 00:47:30,359 here? 753 00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:33,330 Dave Jones: Yes. What was the we're trying to figure out? 754 00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:35,730 Yeah. Because I mean, we're actually sending emails trying 755 00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:38,400 to figure this out. Because it because it may 756 00:47:38,429 --> 00:47:41,249 Adam Curry: is reading is, is we the entire staff and management 757 00:47:41,249 --> 00:47:43,919 of podcasting two point, I just want to make sure who we is 758 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,880 Dave Jones: Executive Administrator with 759 00:47:48,029 --> 00:47:50,789 Adam Curry: your admin, yes, your admin is all over it. Yes. 760 00:47:50,789 --> 00:47:51,599 Okay. Yeah. 761 00:47:51,629 --> 00:47:55,919 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. She's crackerjack. She's all over. But 762 00:47:56,159 --> 00:48:00,359 there's people may hear this discussion and think this is 763 00:48:00,359 --> 00:48:01,499 like a tempest in a teapot. 764 00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:03,840 Adam Curry: No, it's very important. It's I think it's 765 00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:07,860 critically important and I feel that now Apple may not care, but 766 00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:13,740 I want them to know that I have made my my Creator wishes known. 767 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,580 That is clearly there, if they wish to ignore it. Okay. 768 00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:23,310 Understood. Now, how something how's our feed? That, that I own 769 00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:28,440 that my, my email address is a and how that got imported into 770 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,190 Apple is a mystery to me. Because I'm not sure you can 771 00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:38,220 actually do that. That's simply but okay. It's it's interesting 772 00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:44,400 that it's in there. But that we have the open podcast namespace. 773 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,890 This is the one that the industry contributes to, there 774 00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:52,140 are hundreds of 1000s of feeds that declare the namespace and 775 00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:55,380 may not use all the features, but I think the block tag was 776 00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:59,670 wasn't that something that? Hadn't Some people use that? Or 777 00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:00,810 am I the only one? 778 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:03,990 Dave Jones: I don't know. I haven't I haven't tried to do 779 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:09,120 statistics on that. Okay. I'll Alanna, if I can't get an answer 780 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,080 this question. All I know to do is, is just simply create a 781 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,990 whitelist and say, here, that I'm, I'm in general going to 782 00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:26,070 respect the tag, because there's a lot of hosting companies that 783 00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:26,760 I know 784 00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:30,630 Adam Curry: that see it that way that publish as as a block as a 785 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,190 universal block. Yeah. 786 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,549 Dave Jones: And I don't want to kneecap them, but could they I 787 00:49:35,549 --> 00:49:39,149 don't, but, but I would advocate in the background for them to 788 00:49:39,149 --> 00:49:40,559 also adopt the podcast block. 789 00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:42,510 Adam Curry: Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I think that would 790 00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:44,100 that would be the way to go. 791 00:49:45,179 --> 00:49:48,089 Dave Jones: And the because you know and try to move the needle 792 00:49:48,089 --> 00:49:55,829 on that. Because it is it is helpful. Let me let me finish 793 00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:59,969 that because in this scenario, if I can't get an answer to it 794 00:50:00,329 --> 00:50:05,879 In the whole world seems to allow this tag, excuse me allow 795 00:50:05,879 --> 00:50:11,429 this feed to come through. Except, except us. All that does 796 00:50:11,429 --> 00:50:16,199 is penalize the apps. So there may be what about the feed? This 797 00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,799 somebody really wants, and they sweat, you know, and they were a 798 00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:22,619 downcast user and they had it there and they switch to pod 799 00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:25,499 verse, and now they can get it. It has nothing to impart it's 800 00:50:25,499 --> 00:50:29,789 not pod versus fall. No, no, no. It's because as because downcast 801 00:50:29,789 --> 00:50:34,289 uses Apple's directory, right. And pod verse uses ours, and I 802 00:50:34,289 --> 00:50:39,329 don't see why that I don't see why they shouldn't get screwed 803 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,379 in that deal. No. So you know, in this scenario, when there, 804 00:50:43,409 --> 00:50:46,259 maybe it's a short list, maybe it's 20 of these feeds that 805 00:50:46,259 --> 00:50:47,219 exist. I don't know, we 806 00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:50,520 Adam Curry: just, we just need to know what the deal is. Right? 807 00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:51,030 And 808 00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:55,049 Dave Jones: I mean, the having a blog tag is okay, because there 809 00:50:55,049 --> 00:50:59,009 are private thieves out there log members only fade and it's 810 00:50:59,009 --> 00:51:03,809 messy, and I'm okay with having some sort of blog tag it to give 811 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:09,029 a signal because we don't have a better way to do it. But, and, 812 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,819 you know, HTTP basic authentication is this whole 813 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:15,929 thing is a mess. Honestly, sure. Is. The whole thing is screwed 814 00:51:15,929 --> 00:51:19,589 up. If we have this screwed up system anyway, I mean, like 815 00:51:19,619 --> 00:51:23,759 this, this is like you're just adding lipstick on a pig at this 816 00:51:23,759 --> 00:51:28,289 point. But But I mean, I don't that that's that's kind of where 817 00:51:28,289 --> 00:51:31,709 I'm where I'm standing on it now. And I really will I need an 818 00:51:31,709 --> 00:51:36,329 answer to this question. And I've put James's reached out to 819 00:51:36,389 --> 00:51:40,859 everybody. I've reached out through a contact of mine 820 00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:44,759 through another third party who knows somebody in Amazon and I'm 821 00:51:44,759 --> 00:51:47,549 trying to get answers to these questions so that I know how to 822 00:51:47,549 --> 00:51:51,629 proceed and if they if it comes back of, well, I don't even know 823 00:51:51,629 --> 00:51:54,479 why that's in there. Well, then I'm seriously I'm just going to 824 00:51:54,479 --> 00:51:57,869 create a whitelist and just start these when feeds fall into 825 00:51:57,869 --> 00:51:59,609 this category. I'm just gonna start sticking them in the list 826 00:51:59,609 --> 00:52:03,149 and say, we're, we're ignoring this tag for these feeds. Right. 827 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,249 Okay. Now, I don't know anything else. I don't know what else to 828 00:52:05,249 --> 00:52:05,519 do. 829 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:09,210 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm big. I did get when you're so resolute. 830 00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:13,230 This that's me resin. But that but there is also something to 831 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:17,070 be said for the podcast industry to universe and this would be 832 00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:21,000 this is a good one to do universally support the podcast, 833 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,930 namespace block tag. So their customers when creating fields, 834 00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:28,890 they can make a choice and make their choice known to the world 835 00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:30,690 so that everybody understands it. 836 00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:36,540 Dave Jones: Agree. Yeah, I agree. And and I can, you know, 837 00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:41,400 I've said before, one of the most difficult parts of this job 838 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:47,190 as far as you know, as far as the podcast namespace is 839 00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:50,490 concerned, the podcasting 2.0 side of things, is it is not 840 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:54,030 just code, it's code and then a bunch of a bunch of zoom 841 00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:57,330 meetings with people and stuff like that trend. You have to be 842 00:52:57,330 --> 00:53:01,680 a coder and an evangelist. And the evangelism part is hard and 843 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,480 exhausting. And so that I tend to not do it as much as I 844 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,160 should. So I should be beating the bushes and saying, Hey, this 845 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,650 tag is screwed up, use the podcast namespace bog tag 846 00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:17,070 instead. Right? Right, please. Please, at least add it beside 847 00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:18,000 the other. Yes. 848 00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,990 Adam Curry: All right. Well, since we're on Apple, let's, uh, 849 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,050 more bring up another topic, which you and I disagree on. 850 00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:29,730 Really? Yeah, we do. Get you even said we disagree on this. 851 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,540 And this is why the value for value you're 852 00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:34,320 Dave Jones: wrong and clearly. 853 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,920 Adam Curry: Well, this is the conversation about why the value 854 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,980 for value podcast apps have not been tagged or flagged by 855 00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:51,960 Apple's App Store for their violation of their guidelines. 856 00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:57,990 And if I can summarize, I would say that your view is Apple was 857 00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:00,210 giving us a break. And 858 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,590 now, okay, I'll read summarize. Your view is because they're in 859 00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:19,140 the space, they are cautious to kick apps out for antitrust 860 00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:19,800 issues. 861 00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:26,880 Dave Jones: Yes, because book book there. I think they feel 862 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,110 comfortable kicking Nasir out because not because they because 863 00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:35,190 Apple does not have a monetization strategy in the 864 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:39,210 social networking sphere. But they do have a monetization 865 00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:44,760 strategy in the podcasts sphere. So they if they kick out value 866 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,370 for value podcast apps, it looks like a conflict of interest. 867 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,270 Adam Curry: Okay, so that is your position. Yes. And others 868 00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:58,290 have have wondered out loud Well, if noster apps are being 869 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,060 being tagged and filled I have to remove zap functionality. 870 00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:08,790 It's curious that the podcasts value for value apps aren't 871 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,970 receiving the same treatment. And I want to reset everybody's 872 00:55:14,970 --> 00:55:21,930 mind for a moment. Because it's apples and oranges zaps on a 873 00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:28,260 social network is nowhere near value for value streaming 874 00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:32,880 payments or booster grams. In a podcast app, it is two 875 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,330 completely different animals, the only thing that is the same 876 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,470 is the Lightning Network and Satoshis. That's the only thing. 877 00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:45,720 And if you read the guidelines, and I made a study of this, 878 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,930 because this is this is one of the most important things in my 879 00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:55,200 life, it is my life right now. That that this system keeps 880 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,430 functioning because I have lived by this value for value system 881 00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:04,290 for 16 years, I have not taken a single penny from any corporate 882 00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:08,190 company, any advertiser, not a share. I'm not I'm not an 883 00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:11,850 advisor, and nothing, nothing, it's only been what people have 884 00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:16,500 sent and mainly on no agenda through PayPal. And this was the 885 00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:20,670 the upgrade the solidification of the entire system. Because 886 00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,930 you know, as we know from PayPal pocalypse PayPal is a very weak 887 00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:28,980 link in the in the process. And obviously Bitcoin, the Lightning 888 00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,580 Network, fulfill some of the sense of anti censorship part. 889 00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:39,300 But the guidelines for Apple clearly state that you can tip 890 00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:45,870 or donate to a creator. I believe there's a huge 891 00:56:45,870 --> 00:56:53,100 distinction and difference between a post calling that 892 00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:56,250 something from a creator, you can really start to get it this 893 00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:59,310 is why I've never liked the term creator. Because yeah, you know, 894 00:56:59,310 --> 00:57:02,070 I took a shit and I took a picture of it. I'm a creator, 895 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:09,180 you know, a post, which someone then zaps that post, as they 896 00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:14,010 said, in their argumentation to damos. They said, that can be 897 00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:20,250 used as a quid pro quo. So hey, if I'm an influencer, and I post 898 00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:23,760 something about your company, you will then zap that post. 899 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,420 That is completely different from value for value. Besides 900 00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:33,900 the name as it implies, and the entire we've published, what 901 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:39,030 value for value is it's time talent, treasure, it's returning 902 00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:41,700 value that you feel you've received from the entire 903 00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:46,320 product, there is almost it's almost unthinkable that someone 904 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,140 would do an entire podcast for a quid pro quo for your booster 905 00:57:52,140 --> 00:58:02,070 gram. And the the whole system is set up and named in a very, 906 00:58:02,070 --> 00:58:05,910 very different manner. And very, if you look at the guidelines, 907 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:12,510 it's so exact and spot on, right down to its name, that it's just 908 00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:16,410 not the same thing. And I think Apple recognizes that now. Is 909 00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:20,670 there a tinge of hey, if anything, I think that they're 910 00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:25,620 afraid. They're afraid if they were to to stop this system, 911 00:58:26,430 --> 00:58:29,910 that they could lose market share in the podcasting apps, 912 00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:34,260 app sphere, people would revolt and that that can happen. I 913 00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:37,500 think we're way too far down the road for them to start kicking 914 00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:41,160 value for value podcast apps out of the system, but it's not for 915 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,030 anti competitive reasons. As you said earlier, as we agree, they 916 00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,030 don't give a shit about anybody else. Apple does not give a shit 917 00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:52,140 about you, me, the podcast names based podcasting, they don't 918 00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:55,710 care about anything. They care about Apple. They they're 919 00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:59,610 they're not giving anybody a break or leniency. And I hate 920 00:58:59,610 --> 00:59:03,210 hearing that, because that makes me very nervous. If that were 921 00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:06,480 true, then they can wake up one morning and say they could do 922 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,720 that anyway, obviously, they could wake up and say, Screw 923 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,000 these guys don't like him anymore. So the one where we 924 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,210 have to be this, this will be going back three years in time 925 00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:16,800 all let's be nice to Apple. 926 00:59:17,489 --> 00:59:20,669 Dave Jones: Oh, no, I, hey, we're on the same page with 927 00:59:20,669 --> 00:59:25,169 that. I mean, this is not that. When I say that, that when I say 928 00:59:25,169 --> 00:59:27,839 that? That was my feeling. It's not as Donald say that out of 929 00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:28,289 hope. 930 00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:31,890 Adam Curry: No, I know, I know that our citizens know that. But 931 00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:37,110 I want I want it to be known that the value for value is so 932 00:59:37,110 --> 00:59:41,010 far removed from what noster is doing. And in addition, in 933 00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:45,030 addition, the splits the value splits is has created an 934 00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:49,890 ecosystem that is recognized as not something that you know Kim 935 00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:56,190 Kardashian is ever going to use this and this is this is and I 936 00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,010 believe that it's true the social networking aspect of 937 00:59:59,010 --> 01:00:05,190 noster With zaps, is completely open to a payment system for 938 01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:08,880 digital assets. Hey, man, I'll post this right now. Boom, 939 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,750 there's a zap. That's not how podcasts work. Podcast, don't 940 01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:18,750 you don't just whip up a podcast episode. podcast episodes are 941 01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:23,760 value created in advance and people can value that back. It's 942 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,180 not the same as a post that was done a nostril? Do we agree on 943 01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:27,540 that? 944 01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:34,320 Dave Jones: I mean, I agree. I guess the question is, does 945 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,460 anybody else, you know, the people that they get to make 946 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:39,120 decisions? 947 01:00:39,389 --> 01:00:42,599 Adam Curry: Well, okay, anybody mystery? Yeah, of course, 948 01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,509 anybody can can change. They can change their guidelines tomorrow 949 01:00:45,509 --> 01:00:48,599 if they want. But more importantly, I want everyone to 950 01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:53,849 see value for value as something much bigger than a payment 951 01:00:53,849 --> 01:00:57,599 system, which is why, you know, when there's when there's a 952 01:00:58,439 --> 01:01:01,649 suggestion, saying, Hey, we can just do this with dollars now. 953 01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:05,579 No, it's, it's not even about dollars, it's about value 954 01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:10,109 received value returned. It's a programming format. It's not 955 01:01:10,109 --> 01:01:16,049 just a payment system. It's a it's a philosophy. It's, it's a 956 01:01:16,049 --> 01:01:22,469 model for doing a podcast, not expect to get paid for it, but 957 01:01:22,469 --> 01:01:25,769 to be doing it because you're receiving value for what you 958 01:01:25,769 --> 01:01:30,689 did. And that can be a nice note, it can be someone creating 959 01:01:30,689 --> 01:01:33,749 some art for you, someone creating a jingle, someone's 960 01:01:33,749 --> 01:01:38,099 sending you an email that you can use in your program. It is a 961 01:01:38,099 --> 01:01:43,979 modern content format, that includes a monetary value 962 01:01:43,979 --> 01:01:49,049 mechanism as one of the options. It's way beyond a, it's not like 963 01:01:49,049 --> 01:01:52,859 advertising. It's just not it's not like I'm going to do this 964 01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:57,359 show. And if I just if as long as I have a value block in my 965 01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,619 feed, I'll get paid. No, you won't. There's an ask. There's a 966 01:02:01,619 --> 01:02:05,039 recognition, it's all spelled out of value for value dot info, 967 01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:08,489 it's very important that people understand that this goes way 968 01:02:08,489 --> 01:02:13,109 beyond the monetary aspect. It is, in fact, I think the saving 969 01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:16,469 grace for podcast moving forward, as everything is 970 01:02:16,469 --> 01:02:18,059 collapsing upon itself. 971 01:02:19,530 --> 01:02:23,670 Dave Jones: I wish I wish I had clipped it. But coder radio, in 972 01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:26,220 the last couple of episodes, Chris has been talking about, 973 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,120 you know, losing an advertiser and that kind of thing and, and 974 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,750 how they're, you know, really going in with, with boosts, and 975 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:36,750 you're going to, you know, have that try to make that a part of 976 01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:41,100 their revenue stream. And he, it's good to listen to the most 977 01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,470 recent episode because he goes in at the, you know, they they 978 01:02:43,470 --> 01:02:48,870 talk about you talking about the ask, he says, you know, a, our 979 01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:54,510 goal for this for each episode is 500,000 SATs. That's what we 980 01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:57,750 would, that's what our target is. And he tells everybody up 981 01:02:57,750 --> 01:03:01,560 front, that's, we want you to we want you to boost and we want 982 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,520 you we are trying to achieve 500,000 sets. And at the end of 983 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,930 the episode, he said, here's how much we actually got. Keep that 984 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:13,020 in mind for next episode. And let's try to hit the 500,000 985 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:18,060 mark. He's He's being very open and transparent about what he 986 01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:23,910 wants his audience to do. And then me, you know, I boosted 987 01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:27,420 into the show last couple of weeks, talking about a specific 988 01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:31,650 topic and response to something and then Alex boosted in and in 989 01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:34,380 responding to something I said, then I boosted back and we've 990 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,910 like, it's been this fun, back and forth where we as the 991 01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:43,260 audience have been boosting in, like having conversations with 992 01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:46,620 ourselves and the host at the same time interacting all 993 01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:50,610 together. And it became it's, it's a whole it's created an 994 01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:55,830 entire little sort of show within a show. Yes. And that's 995 01:03:55,860 --> 01:04:01,470 like that whole thing. That's my way of saying that. I think 996 01:04:01,470 --> 01:04:05,910 you're I think you're right about this. Is Is Boost is 997 01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:09,930 boosts and booster gram going to replace all of your advertising. 998 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:17,250 No. But what Chris is doing ethic ism and and chyron as well 999 01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:24,660 for Mere Mortals. They are showing, they're showing how you 1000 01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:27,630 can begin to make the Trenton like make the transition. 1001 01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:31,290 Adam Curry: I'm going to take it one step further. I enjoyed 1002 01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:35,370 hearing Christopher Lydon on the pod news weekly review. I know 1003 01:04:35,370 --> 01:04:41,970 Chris, I remember very well when when Dave put his radio show 1004 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,220 into into an enclosure which we had running for three years 1005 01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:50,970 before that and we're doing all kinds of stuff and I was able to 1006 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,540 receive it on my radio userland and this is before I had made 1007 01:04:54,540 --> 01:04:58,290 the connection with with iPod which is really how the you know 1008 01:04:58,290 --> 01:05:01,620 the podcasting Park came together, okay, call it a it's 1009 01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:05,100 clearly a podcast, call it the first podcast ever, it's fine. 1010 01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:13,530 But what he still has, and he still holds is the social 1011 01:05:13,530 --> 01:05:17,160 aspect. He has a group of podcasters. And I guess they all 1012 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,310 listen to each other's podcast. It's still kind of, in a way 1013 01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:24,690 like the early audio blogging, and it's and his spoken hub 1014 01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:27,780 model, whatever he calls it, but it's different. It's different 1015 01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,800 real voices that are out there. And this was indeed, the 1016 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,250 original intent before podcasting, but I was a part of 1017 01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:40,770 that. We got overly horribly commercialize in its in its 1018 01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:44,820 intent. I mean, I did sound seeing tours, I'd go out with 1019 01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:48,240 binaural microphones, and I'd walk around Union Square at 1020 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,190 midnight and talk to the homeless people in San 1021 01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:54,540 Francisco, and you would hear the sounds of the streets and we 1022 01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:58,380 were doing a lot of experimentation. But when I hear 1023 01:05:58,380 --> 01:06:00,600 Christopher Lydon saying, Hey, I never made a penny off of 1024 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,440 podcasting, then like, yes, bingo, that's the point. 1025 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:09,270 Podcasting, like blogging, which went through the same cycle. 1026 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,900 It's not a thing. It's not like getting into radio or getting 1027 01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,560 into television. Do you have a reason you want to communicate 1028 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,430 something and you want a community, you want to build a 1029 01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:24,990 community that receives it, if you are only doing this to make 1030 01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:28,260 money, that is you're going to be a part of a very, very small 1031 01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:32,730 set of people. But if you're doing it to receive value back, 1032 01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:37,740 if you go into it with that mindset, that's when it gets 1033 01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:41,400 beautiful, because that's when you open up something that radio 1034 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:46,080 has never successfully done is had your community become a part 1035 01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:51,060 of, of the podcast become a part of the product through feedback 1036 01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:56,970 mechanisms, which include now, direct value, a monetary form, 1037 01:06:56,970 --> 01:07:01,830 but I would, I would argue, the numerology is perhaps even more 1038 01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:06,210 important than the value of the numbers themselves. Satchel of 1039 01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:12,600 Richards row of ducks 6969 808, these are all she slammed 1040 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,190 Satoshi slam, these are striper booths, these are all content 1041 01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:21,660 messages that you're allowing people to create to be a part of 1042 01:07:21,660 --> 01:07:27,120 the program. And this is where everybody can find happiness in 1043 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:33,300 podcasting. If your happiness is going to come from money, well, 1044 01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:36,390 you're going to be disappointed. I'm just telling you right now, 1045 01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:41,520 because it's very hard to make a living doing this unless you 1046 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,340 have something that you are creating that is so valuable 1047 01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:48,030 that people want to contribute value back, which actually makes 1048 01:07:48,030 --> 01:07:51,330 the program even more valuable. I'll just tell you how it works 1049 01:07:51,330 --> 01:08:01,500 with no agenda. Everything I do 90% comes from the audience who 1050 01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,050 we don't even call listeners we call them producers for a 1051 01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:08,430 reason. They're sending me clips, links, personal stories, 1052 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,600 thoughts, information, bullcrap, all kinds of stuff they're 1053 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:18,150 sending, and I am packaging that into a show the people who can't 1054 01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:22,860 do that send value in a different way. And they do that 1055 01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:27,240 through a monetary unit. But everybody is contributing and is 1056 01:08:27,270 --> 01:08:32,550 equally as valuable to the actual product. That to me is 1057 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:36,960 what podcasting is. It's not just a product, it's like this 1058 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,770 music show. I'm not just gonna sit here and just play tracks 1059 01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:44,640 and count the money that comes in. So I'm taking the 5% and the 1060 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,860 artists get 95% That's going to be a shit show. I want people 1061 01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:54,450 finding songs, you know, I want artists feeding back 1062 01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,500 information, I'm going to be the content router that makes all 1063 01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:03,090 this happen. And the value that is represented is coming. 1064 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,070 Everyone contributes to that. It's podcasting is not just like 1065 01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:11,340 a radio show where you get paid at the end of the month based on 1066 01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:16,470 how many listeners you had. It is irrelevant. This This project 1067 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:22,410 is so clearly value for value. We have 12,000 people that 1068 01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:26,880 listen maybe on a monthly basis 12,000 uniques, maybe if that 1069 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:31,410 probably less. But the project runs it sustains everybody is a 1070 01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:34,200 part of it. And it's not just money. 1071 01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:42,060 Dave Jones: But my dad said my dad said a long time ago he was 1072 01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:46,320 a deacon in the church and he was saying that when you're 1073 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,370 looking around for people to be deacons. What you do is you you 1074 01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:52,800 look for the people who are already doing the work of the 1075 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,690 deacon. And those are the people you nominate to be a deacon. So 1076 01:09:57,690 --> 01:10:00,450 like he was talking about and that can be this engine General 1077 01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:03,630 can be expanded to all serve, you know, all all sorts of like 1078 01:10:03,630 --> 01:10:08,010 service things, you, you look, the people who are going to be 1079 01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:13,410 the people who are going to do the best in a passion project 1080 01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:16,860 are the people who are already doing it before, there's any 1081 01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:20,640 question of reward or anything like that is the thing I like 1082 01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:26,460 the most, it's like the podcast that, that I am going to start 1083 01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:28,650 already recorded one of the episodes of the little, you 1084 01:10:28,650 --> 01:10:34,080 know, nice nightstand book podcast, that, you know, that 1085 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,350 thing I just, I just want to do is I feel like I feel like I'm 1086 01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:42,720 just dying to do this thing. But there's really I haven't even 1087 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,630 really thought about anything involving money. I don't even 1088 01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:48,990 know if that will ever happen. I doubt it will. It's not really 1089 01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:55,890 that sort of thing. So like, it's, it's the podcasting is you 1090 01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:58,260 can tell when people are doing it, because they have a passion. 1091 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,600 You can tell when people are doing it, because they've, 1092 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,340 they've put together a math problem where they can end exit 1093 01:11:05,340 --> 01:11:08,190 the end of the month with certain X number of dollars, 1094 01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:10,590 right? in those in those things are just not compelling to me at 1095 01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:10,860 all. 1096 01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:14,940 Adam Curry: And that makes you a true podcaster I'm just gonna 1097 01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:18,600 get I mean, I read this this morning, and it really helped me 1098 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,360 a lot Ecclesiastes night. I know, but I'm just gonna do a 1099 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,540 Bible a little bit of a Bible verse, Bible Study Bible study, 1100 01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:28,260 the race is not to the Swift or the battle to the strong, nor 1101 01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:31,530 does the food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or 1102 01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:34,830 favorite to the learned, but time and chance happen to them 1103 01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,400 all. And what this really means is, you're not doing this for 1104 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,170 those reasons it Life is not fair. People say hey, man, do 1105 01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:45,240 you are one of the CO inventors of podcasting while you're not a 1106 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:50,430 billionaire? Well, I don't know. That's just the way it is. But 1107 01:11:50,430 --> 01:11:53,280 you're not doing it for those reasons. If you're doing it for 1108 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,920 those reasons, you're just going to be disappointed at the end of 1109 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,850 the road. Don't let the inequities of life. keep you 1110 01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:04,230 from doing fun things earnest, dedicated stuff that you want to 1111 01:12:04,230 --> 01:12:09,390 do. Yes. And that's the point. That's what makes podcasting so 1112 01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:14,490 beautiful. And I and it pains me when people are, you know, are 1113 01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:19,140 disappointed because they didn't get any value in return, which 1114 01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,160 the only way they measure that is by you know, okay, to some 1115 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,490 degree, there's stats in your, in your dashboard, the Hey, I 1116 01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:29,310 got three guys in Belgium listening. Okay, that might be 1117 01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:34,650 kind of interesting. Or, you know, I made $50 Well, one bill, 1118 01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:37,800 I'm putting all this all this work in only getting 50 bucks. 1119 01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:42,810 These are the wrong metrics. You want the love coming back from 1120 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:46,650 people? And and boosting is loving. 1121 01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:57,030 Dave Jones: But that, yes. The the feedback, the feedback loop 1122 01:12:57,030 --> 01:13:03,030 within a podcast is it changes everything. And it's, it makes 1123 01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:06,510 all the difference. I listened. I listened to an episode of 1124 01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:11,100 fresh air today. It's not really a list of things I listened to, 1125 01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,010 but somebody sent me an episode of it. So listen to it. And it 1126 01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:17,760 was good. It was good episode. And but it was so like at the 1127 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,580 end of it. I felt I'm like, Okay, I feel like I just kind of 1128 01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:25,710 read a Wikipedia article. Yeah, I don't feel like I was sort of 1129 01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:29,700 like that beauty of podcasting, where you feel like, you're, 1130 01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:32,910 you're involved like you're you're, you felt like there's a 1131 01:13:32,910 --> 01:13:36,840 connection between you and the in the host and the guest and 1132 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,170 all these? Like, I didn't get any of that. No, for that 1133 01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:43,680 reason. For that reason. I did not. I didn't hit the subscribe. 1134 01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,830 I'm not going to put that in rotation. Because while it was 1135 01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:50,700 helpful, and I thought that the information was good. I mean, I 1136 01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,840 don't it's not a thing that it's not compelling. And so I don't 1137 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,730 want you know, I don't want to read Wikipedia all 1138 01:13:56,730 --> 01:14:01,500 Adam Curry: day. So when I hear our premier news weekly program 1139 01:14:01,530 --> 01:14:06,810 of the industry podcast weekly review, when I hear the booster 1140 01:14:06,810 --> 01:14:09,630 Graham corner, and the explanation is well, it's little 1141 01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:13,440 bits of money people can send to you and wow, there's 10,000 in 1142 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:18,090 the last $10,000 In the last 30 days. That's not to me, that's 1143 01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:22,050 not what value for value is about. Value for value is a 1144 01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:28,110 feedback mechanism. That that that allows you to do exactly 1145 01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:31,650 what you couldn't do with fresh air. If you'd been able to set 1146 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:38,340 and it's whether it's you know, 10,000 SATs or 100 SATs, it 1147 01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:40,980 doesn't matter. Me, probably the number would be more 1148 01:14:40,980 --> 01:14:49,170 interesting. You know, Hey, Amy gross 808 her, you know, that's 1149 01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:55,350 that's what it's about that is and that in Christopher Lydon 1150 01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:59,430 brought me back to those days where he was saying hey, we just 1151 01:14:59,430 --> 01:15:02,490 wanted to have Different, different voices about the Iraq 1152 01:15:02,490 --> 01:15:06,540 war. We wanted to have different voices about the economy at that 1153 01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:10,650 point. You know, we just wanted something we wanted to hear from 1154 01:15:10,650 --> 01:15:13,920 each other from from people from real people. And you know, it 1155 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,330 didn't matter if you have names or oz errs, which now there's 1156 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,360 entire industries to automatically chop that out, 1157 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,410 make sure you don't sound human, whatever you do, make sure all 1158 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:28,830 that stuff is edited out, please, let's not have any human 1159 01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:33,090 interaction. That's what we're losing. With that kind of 1160 01:15:33,090 --> 01:15:33,720 thinking. 1161 01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:38,040 Dave Jones: Did when you when you had the idea for the 1162 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:44,670 enclosure? Where was money in that thought process? Nowhere. 1163 01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:50,280 That's, that's what I thought it. And I would say that. That's 1164 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:55,050 true for let's just take, let's just say, Sam over a pod fans. 1165 01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:59,850 He raised he raised the seed round to get the thing off the 1166 01:15:59,850 --> 01:16:06,240 ground. But you can tell when he sends us a days. And he has all 1167 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,750 these screenshots and all these things about the features that 1168 01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:12,540 they're implementing. This is not about money for him. No, 1169 01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:18,540 this is, yeah, this is a passion project. Where in in the passion 1170 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,700 is from a distance, what I can see is that the passion is look 1171 01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:27,780 at all of these protocols that offer a so many cool things I 1172 01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:32,280 want to do all of them. That's where he's coming from. He's 1173 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,550 like, there's a thing that exists that is not fully 1174 01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:40,020 consumed, and I want to consume it. And that that is a it's just 1175 01:16:40,050 --> 01:16:43,230 I don't, I don't believe for one second that it's that is a 1176 01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:45,810 primarily a money play. Otherwise, it would just be 1177 01:16:46,230 --> 01:16:49,590 another app. And it's not just another app. It's a it's a it 1178 01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:52,800 has its own unique identity, that's going to be a big deal. 1179 01:16:52,890 --> 01:16:55,680 Adam Curry: I wanted to be a broadcaster I wanted, that's all 1180 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,940 I've ever wanted to do. I was a pirate radio guy. We had 1181 01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:02,850 advertising on the station, which paid for the rent and paid 1182 01:17:02,850 --> 01:17:06,660 for the transmitter for the power. And if the FCC came by 1183 01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:08,490 and took all our crap we couldn't you had a little 1184 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280 reserved so we could set it up within three hours be back on 1185 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,630 the air. When I worked at professional radio stations, I 1186 01:17:15,630 --> 01:17:18,630 would have paid I would have paid to do it. I love doing that 1187 01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:24,360 I loved I love the medium. I love creating I just the idea 1188 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,110 that I could create my own radio show because that's how I viewed 1189 01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:30,780 it at the time. Without transmitters. We don't need no 1190 01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:36,450 stinking transmitters, without a boss without a hotline that 1191 01:17:36,450 --> 01:17:39,570 could ring if I said something wrong. Or if I didn't sound 1192 01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:44,190 professional, or, you know, that was that was always the intent 1193 01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:45,330 always. 1194 01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:50,099 Dave Jones: Alex said I always said I certainly don't think 1195 01:17:50,099 --> 01:17:53,579 about money in any of the specs that I write. And you can do, 1196 01:17:53,729 --> 01:17:56,819 you can do. And I would go so far as to say that 1197 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,340 Adam Curry: is anybody here making money in this whole 1198 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,070 project? Please, please, 1199 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,660 Dave Jones: I would get I would go so far as to say that. That 1200 01:18:06,660 --> 01:18:08,850 may be something that that may be part of the problem with 1201 01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:15,600 Apple, you know, at Apple, Apple podcasts probably started off as 1202 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,800 a more pure play because there was there was absolutely zero 1203 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,300 money in it from the beginning. And now there now it's different 1204 01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:28,620 leadership styles gone. There's there's a new, there's new 1205 01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:33,390 people involved. And it is it does have a monetization play. 1206 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:36,870 Sure. And that's probably there. They've they've probably drifted 1207 01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:39,300 from that pure sort of open ethos as well. 1208 01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:44,040 Adam Curry: Yeah. And of course, of course, I mean, but I'll say 1209 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,160 that Mayo when I when I met with Steve, and he introduced 1210 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,930 podcasting in iTunes. And when he played the daily source code, 1211 01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,860 he and I had already discussed at that meeting, he says, Well, 1212 01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:58,590 do you intend to make money? I said, Well, I think the only way 1213 01:18:58,590 --> 01:19:02,250 I can see right now is and I remember exactly what I said, is 1214 01:19:02,250 --> 01:19:05,190 advertising. But we have to change advertising. That was 1215 01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:08,790 always my thinking we have to change advertising. And we tried 1216 01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:13,860 very hard. It was it was kind of back to the old days of talking 1217 01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:17,190 about a product what we'd call now the host endorsement, which 1218 01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:21,660 I don't like that either these terms because it implies an 1219 01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:26,250 endorsement. But that was that was always what I had hoped 1220 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,950 would work. And that never worked. Host endorsements you 1221 01:19:31,950 --> 01:19:37,380 know, there. We're still stuck in the old model of boy you've 1222 01:19:37,380 --> 01:19:42,300 got a million listeners. I know that if I get you to talk about 1223 01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:46,050 my product I'll get X percent will buy because you said so. 1224 01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:52,680 You know it's dishonest is bullcrap. Nobody actually likes 1225 01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:53,520 my pillow. 1226 01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:57,660 Dave Jones: So but I mean, 1227 01:19:58,230 --> 01:20:01,740 Adam Curry: I mean come on Squarespace Now Splenda really 1228 01:20:01,770 --> 01:20:07,320 really Splenda by since SEO I mean all these it there was just 1229 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:15,000 it's not podcasting is inherently not a great way to to 1230 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,670 do advertising is just not and now we have we have expanded I 1231 01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:27,570 think just chipped away at the podcast Industrial Complex has 1232 01:20:27,570 --> 01:20:32,280 now created the entire systems that will make sure that oh 1233 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,240 advertiser that not only will you not you know advertise on 1234 01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:40,470 the shows that are wrong but even if there's someone makes an 1235 01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:43,380 ad hominem attack against somebody else you won't get 1236 01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,070 caught in the crossfire come on What are we talking about? Yes, 1237 01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:50,370 that means is nothing but the all you can do is advertise on 1238 01:20:50,370 --> 01:20:55,830 fresh air. That's basically it. The most safe you know, non 1239 01:20:55,830 --> 01:21:00,750 combative, whatever. That's not what podcasting is for. I want 1240 01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:04,770 to hear crazy people. I want to hear people who have great ideas 1241 01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:09,210 who are doing nutso stuff I want to hear crazy music. I mean, I 1242 01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:13,200 want to be I want to be I want my mind blown. I wanted the 1243 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,230 first people who came in to podcasting were the god casters. 1244 01:21:16,230 --> 01:21:20,670 They got it. Hey, I've got a very unpopular format for radio. 1245 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,760 Yeah, I'm gonna read the Bible. I'm gonna read the Bible and I'm 1246 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,920 going to interpret it a my way in my my, my conviction. This 1247 01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:30,660 that was amazing to me. 1248 01:21:34,109 --> 01:21:38,249 Dave Jones: It's funny. So when you this is we're on this topic. 1249 01:21:39,929 --> 01:21:45,329 Crillon asked Lydon. You know what, what did he think podcast? 1250 01:21:45,539 --> 01:21:48,089 What did he think podcasting was going to be in the future? I 1251 01:21:48,089 --> 01:21:52,469 kind of think if you take yourself back to when you first 1252 01:21:55,589 --> 01:22:02,159 when you first envisioned when you first saw that the Weiner 1253 01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:05,729 was going to put the enclosure tag into RSS at first begin the 1254 01:22:05,729 --> 01:22:10,829 first beginnings of this thing working. Did you have any 1255 01:22:10,829 --> 01:22:16,439 concepts of what it was going to look like in the future? And 1256 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,069 does what it is now reflect anything like what you thought 1257 01:22:20,069 --> 01:22:22,589 it may be? Or did you not think really think of any where you've 1258 01:22:22,589 --> 01:22:25,229 too focused on just getting the tech working to think about the 1259 01:22:25,229 --> 01:22:25,679 future? 1260 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,450 Adam Curry: I was big, because I was focused on getting the tech 1261 01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:33,000 working but you only get the tech working if you have the 1262 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,810 content flowing, absorbs. That's why I built a directory, the I 1263 01:22:36,810 --> 01:22:42,990 potter.org directory. And I loved Don and drew. I love the 1264 01:22:42,990 --> 01:22:47,190 rock'n'roll geek show. That here was a guy who was a rocker who 1265 01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:50,340 was sitting in front of his microphone playing, playing his 1266 01:22:50,340 --> 01:22:54,030 own songs. He's like, he drank a six pack Michael Butler would 1267 01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:57,600 drink a six pack he was clearly buzzed. While he was doing this. 1268 01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,620 He was talking about his stories on the road match Weinstein the 1269 01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:06,300 bloated lesbian Hello, this was phenomenal, phenomenal stuff to 1270 01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:10,230 listen to. It's still there. So for me and that was actually 1271 01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:14,760 part of the problem because we would go to advertisers and say 1272 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,460 look we got all these cool shows. You know we got the 1273 01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:21,390 bloated lesbian we got Dawn and Drew and the address what what 1274 01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:25,500 what do you have as him No, it's phenomenal. This is now because 1275 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,950 it was so new and you know people would you know they just 1276 01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:31,530 kind of like oh, I guess so this is what the hip kids are doing. 1277 01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:38,190 But that's the stuff I mean. I can hear new shows anywhere 1278 01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:42,690 really. But if I even want the stuff that I that pisses me off 1279 01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:46,110 like pivot, it's a hate Listen, but it's something that you 1280 01:23:46,110 --> 01:23:51,450 could not get you could not get Kara Swisher dropping the F bomb 1281 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,880 every 10 minutes about Elon Musk on any radio station. I love it. 1282 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,510 I like it. I enjoy that. So I've just wanted to hear is so 1283 01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:05,670 restrictive, the medium of radio and television, the 24 hour 1284 01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:09,750 clock the linear programming, the linear and horizontal 1285 01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:13,170 programming like to say this the same time every day. We could 1286 01:24:13,170 --> 01:24:16,680 determine when we wanted to listen to this stuff. It was as 1287 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,660 exciting as it is today. My my podcast list is very esoteric. 1288 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,130 And it still is am so that never changed. I got completely 1289 01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:31,800 sidetracked, completely sucked up into building a company and 1290 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,710 when you have a company then you've got to find a way to make 1291 01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:39,090 money but I it was the pod show days, some of the unhappiest 1292 01:24:39,090 --> 01:24:40,020 days of my life. 1293 01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:42,570 Dave Jones: You could tell you could hear it in your voice. 1294 01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,420 Yeah, you weren't you were so ready to get out of there. By 1295 01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:48,270 the time no agenda became feasible. 1296 01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:51,840 Adam Curry: It was it was like even before no agenda I sold so 1297 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,920 I sold my plane. I sold all my possessions just so I wouldn't 1298 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,940 have to work. It was like building a beautiful race car. 1299 01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:03,180 for NASCAR, I'm gonna drive this thing around the track. I want 1300 01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:06,180 to race the wheels off this sucker. But then they put all 1301 01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:09,030 these sponsor stickers all over the windshield, so I couldn't 1302 01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:10,170 see where I was driving. 1303 01:25:14,009 --> 01:25:18,539 Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's still, that's still the just 1304 01:25:18,539 --> 01:25:22,889 like there's this uneasy tension between Apple and the rest of 1305 01:25:22,889 --> 01:25:27,419 podcasting, there's still this uneasy tension between the 1306 01:25:27,449 --> 01:25:31,169 monetization side of podcasting. And the hobby side. Well 1307 01:25:31,169 --> 01:25:31,709 imagine, 1308 01:25:31,740 --> 01:25:35,640 Adam Curry: imagine the disappointment, when I'm sure I 1309 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,000 got the call from Steve Jobs. I talked to the guy for an hour, 1310 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,810 I'm blown away. Turns out I saved an entire company rogue 1311 01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:48,480 amoeba from from going out of business. You know, the story, 1312 01:25:48,930 --> 01:25:51,480 the Audio Hijack Pro, 1313 01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:53,970 Dave Jones: and as an accident, 1314 01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,310 Adam Curry: accent Oh conversation. And I gave them 1315 01:25:59,310 --> 01:26:03,870 our 5000 listening directed the iPod our.org was a beautiful 1316 01:26:03,870 --> 01:26:11,760 directory, because it was an OPML based open outliner. So I 1317 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,240 had I maintained at the top, no, but anyone could basically 1318 01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,970 maintain it, that was part of the beauty of it, you know, just 1319 01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:21,240 like anyone can take our database and build podcasts 1320 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,500 index, you know, dotnet, or whatever, but no one does. And I 1321 01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:29,130 had Country Manager, so you're the guy in Germany. So I would 1322 01:26:29,130 --> 01:26:33,510 use your your outline note as an include into Germany, I did it 1323 01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:37,560 by geographic region, just to make it easy. And then in 1324 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,580 Germany that that person, say, Okay, I'm going to have sub 1325 01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:46,080 managers and you collect all of the podcasts that are intact, 1326 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,850 you do news, you do politics, etc, etc. And everyone 1327 01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:53,310 maintained their own little node on their own server. Now, of 1328 01:26:53,310 --> 01:26:57,600 course, you know, with with the expected results, sometimes 1329 01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,930 something would break, but but then every night, I would roll 1330 01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:04,680 it all up, then I would traverse the entire tree. And then I'd 1331 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,080 have whatever was new, whatever was, you know, and I'd have a 1332 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,050 top note, here's what's new today, kind of like the NCSA, 1333 01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:12,360 What's New page for those who are old enough to remember 1334 01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:18,120 mosaic. And, and I gave them that entire directory. So 1335 01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,360 imagine the disappointment when they launched iTunes, and the 1336 01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:27,480 whole front page was NPR, NPR, BBC, it was all mainstream 1337 01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:31,530 stuff. And all the cool stuff was in there. But it was all you 1338 01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:34,560 know, you had to go search it go look in categories. And they put 1339 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,250 all of the all of the pro professional stuff, quote, 1340 01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:43,320 unquote, on the front. And the whole beauty of podcasting from 1341 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,200 that very me That was my mistake, from that very moment. 1342 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,420 sucked. Apple's made it suck now, I'm happy that they were 1343 01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:54,870 there. But that was just apple. I mean, I was young, I was 1344 01:27:54,930 --> 01:27:58,890 inexperienced. What I could have expected that. So obvious that 1345 01:27:58,890 --> 01:28:01,290 that was going to happen. Oh, yeah. They put me on the front 1346 01:28:01,290 --> 01:28:05,310 page for a couple of weeks. Thanks, of course. But I didn't 1347 01:28:05,310 --> 01:28:09,600 hit the front page. After that. Maybe maybe one time when no 1348 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,570 agenda hit 1000 episodes or something? They might have done 1349 01:28:12,570 --> 01:28:14,730 something nice, but not for long. 1350 01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:20,010 Dave Jones: Why can't we still do that? That concept of having 1351 01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:25,500 ever having the database split? into multiple, maybe not 1352 01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:28,620 regions, but multiple sections with different people with 1353 01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:31,140 different people curating? 1354 01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:36,450 Adam Curry: Oh, I mean, well, of course we can. Like, I love that 1355 01:28:36,450 --> 01:28:40,110 idea. I mean, we also do, we didn't have infrastructure, we 1356 01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:42,570 barely had email. I mean, we didn't have a lot of tools that 1357 01:28:42,570 --> 01:28:47,340 we have now. And, and creating, I mean, that just keeping a 1358 01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:51,390 weblog up when you got Slashdot that was that was trouble 1359 01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:54,750 enough. So that was Yeah, I got slashed on it. And that was that 1360 01:28:54,750 --> 01:28:57,810 was just keeping your web server running was hard, let alone that 1361 01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:01,920 you split up a database and had regional managers and all this 1362 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,790 stuff. Everybody was using own little hosting space to host 1363 01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:09,210 their OPML file that then would be included in the next guy up 1364 01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:10,200 the up the chain. 1365 01:29:10,859 --> 01:29:13,949 Dave Jones: I mean, I guess we have, we have like, you know, we 1366 01:29:13,949 --> 01:29:18,539 have like 6 million podcasts in the database. All told, I mean, 1367 01:29:18,809 --> 01:29:22,259 I could see it being split up with six different people. And, 1368 01:29:22,619 --> 01:29:26,099 you know, we, we, we sort of were a concentrator that then 1369 01:29:26,099 --> 01:29:30,989 hits the appropriate back end where, you know, I like that. I 1370 01:29:30,989 --> 01:29:35,189 like that idea. It's, you know, you could do with obviously do 1371 01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:37,799 with OPML, because the data was small and you didn't have, you 1372 01:29:37,799 --> 01:29:40,949 know, didn't have millions of records, but I bet we could 1373 01:29:40,949 --> 01:29:42,809 still eventually find a way to do that. 1374 01:29:43,050 --> 01:29:45,720 Adam Curry: Well, this is essentially what Yahoo initially 1375 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,040 was. Yahoo was a directory. It's a little different from an 1376 01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,270 index. Yeah, a little different 1377 01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:55,560 Dave Jones: categories. A little more like newsgroups. Yes. Which 1378 01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:55,800 is 1379 01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:58,140 Adam Curry: oddly how people organize things in their head 1380 01:29:58,140 --> 01:30:02,160 quite well, which is why I'm an outlier. Honor guy. I love 1381 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:08,700 outlines and outliners. Anyway, so that is my, my philosophical 1382 01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:13,650 view on what we're doing. And thank you for listening because 1383 01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,410 I want it to be clear to everybody that we've we've 1384 01:30:16,410 --> 01:30:21,900 gotten into a loop with the podcast industrial complex of an 1385 01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:28,650 industry. And an industry is almost kind of counterintuitive 1386 01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:40,920 to what the whole medium is. And, and the, the beauty of RSS 1387 01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,150 distribution, which means everybody can also determine 1388 01:30:45,150 --> 01:30:48,450 their own playout system, what they like, you know, it's not 1389 01:30:48,450 --> 01:30:51,780 all now there was there was an interesting little little bit in 1390 01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,490 as Rob and and James, were talking on pod news weekly 1391 01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:01,080 review. And it was kind of enlightening to me. It's like, 1392 01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:06,330 you know, RSS is great, but because of RSS, we don't have 1393 01:31:06,330 --> 01:31:08,220 great stats for advertising. 1394 01:31:09,689 --> 01:31:11,099 Dave Jones: Well, that's gonna get worse. 1395 01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:16,320 Adam Curry: Right? But But that's why that's why the P IC 1396 01:31:16,350 --> 01:31:20,850 always wants to move away from RSS because they want logins 1397 01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:24,540 they want to know who you are. And you know, and Spotify didn't 1398 01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:27,180 do a great job of it. They know who everybody is. So I don't 1399 01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:30,390 know if it's ever going to work. And by the way, Spotify with 1400 01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:36,480 autoplay, that was like, that was like cursing God, back in 1401 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:40,620 the day. Because we all know, autoplay is a scam, it's a scam 1402 01:31:40,620 --> 01:31:44,520 to get more higher numbers, make it look like you're successful. 1403 01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,350 You know. And, 1404 01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:49,230 Dave Jones: and we know what Spotify classifies as a play, 1405 01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:51,120 it's 20 milliseconds, exactly. 1406 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,700 Adam Curry: So then that'll be counted as a download, or as a 1407 01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:57,240 play that will add that will count towards the advertising 1408 01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,480 numbers. It's a scam. It's the 1409 01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,819 Dave Jones: same but raw. I mean, Rob's not even in the 1410 01:32:02,819 --> 01:32:06,059 podcast industry anymore, is he? Well, he's like doing YouTube 1411 01:32:06,059 --> 01:32:06,509 stuff. 1412 01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:09,480 Adam Curry: But that's, that's neither here nor there. I'm just 1413 01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:14,910 saying, that is what the industry has become. And it's, 1414 01:32:14,970 --> 01:32:18,660 it's a house of cards. And you're seeing it now now that 1415 01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:23,310 the free money is gone. And, and all the all the great production 1416 01:32:23,340 --> 01:32:28,740 companies are folding or being folded in on themselves or being 1417 01:32:28,740 --> 01:32:33,210 aggregated away being there's no more 100 million dollar Rogan 1418 01:32:33,210 --> 01:32:36,810 deals, none of it's all gone. It's all gone because the cheap 1419 01:32:36,810 --> 01:32:40,080 money is gone. And so what remains is the pure 1420 01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:45,870 unadulterated joy of podcasts, about something that you enjoy 1421 01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:49,890 listening to, and that you can participate in. That's the 1422 01:32:49,890 --> 01:32:55,020 difference between podcasts and a radio show. You can be a part 1423 01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:59,340 of it, you can contribute value in three main ways. 1424 01:33:00,930 --> 01:33:05,100 Dave Jones: That's why I hope I think that thing, that's why I'm 1425 01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:09,510 so hopeful about the music side of things. Because in this 1426 01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:12,750 invite, it's not just podcasters as musicians, yes. And 1427 01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:16,920 Adam Curry: that and how how screwed over are the musicians, 1428 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:21,900 they have gotten such a raw deal. From technology from 1429 01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:25,290 Silicon Valley. It started with the unbundling of a beautiful 1430 01:33:25,290 --> 01:33:28,950 product, which was the album okay, it was already a CDs of 1431 01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:31,920 the liner notes. But I remember I was there, you know, it's 1432 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,130 like, oh, man, this is not quite as cool as it used to be. And 1433 01:33:35,130 --> 01:33:40,500 then iTunes unbundled the album into tracks. And Steve Jobs 1434 01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:43,860 himself set a price 99 cents. That's, that's what it's worth. 1435 01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:48,120 I don't care how much you'd like that song. It's 99 cents, which 1436 01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:53,850 is so unfair, because the value to someone he determined or 1437 01:33:53,850 --> 01:33:57,060 Silicon Valley determines what I'm going to value this piece of 1438 01:33:57,060 --> 01:33:57,900 music at? 1439 01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,200 Dave Jones: Well, at least at least, if you're if you're 1440 01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:06,240 looking at this on a on a advertising model, at least 1441 01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:13,800 within podcasting, you have the content itself is conducive to 1442 01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:19,440 being able to to contain advertising music, you can't you 1443 01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:23,370 can't drop an ad in the middle of a three minute song. There's 1444 01:34:23,370 --> 01:34:28,590 no there's no possibility to even do an ad based music model 1445 01:34:29,310 --> 01:34:33,210 that did go and I'm talking about in a way that directly 1446 01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:40,080 contribute directly benefits the musician. The only way 1447 01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,260 advertising works in the music world is if the platform does 1448 01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:50,490 ads in then as a way to monetize their own their own efforts to 1449 01:34:50,490 --> 01:34:55,080 stream music, your music to people that may or may not ever 1450 01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:59,340 pay you exactly like that. So there's no there is no other 1451 01:34:59,340 --> 01:35:03,780 alternative. For them the other the only other thing the only 1452 01:35:03,780 --> 01:35:06,360 thing that works that advertising does not work for 1453 01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,840 music. The only thing that works for music is value for value. 1454 01:35:10,530 --> 01:35:12,630 Adam Curry: And I'm glad you brought that up because I did 1455 01:35:12,630 --> 01:35:17,340 bring a song for today go to share with the group and and 1456 01:35:17,340 --> 01:35:20,520 this of course if you're listening in in what now what 1457 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:27,690 are the apps I've lost track of them the curio caster pod friend 1458 01:35:27,690 --> 01:35:30,690 pod friend pod verse I think pod verse doesn't know 1459 01:35:30,689 --> 01:35:32,969 Dave Jones: me we still don't know not sure we're not sure if 1460 01:35:32,969 --> 01:35:35,009 I need Mitch to pipe in 1461 01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:40,890 Adam Curry: and curio caster can definitely do this live so I got 1462 01:35:40,890 --> 01:35:45,270 a short track I got a female artists today because we I don't 1463 01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:48,060 think we've had any well we had one we had one female a female 1464 01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:52,950 lead singer found this one over just sifting around through LM 1465 01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:56,610 beats and it has no intro so don't get to talk it up like I 1466 01:35:56,610 --> 01:36:00,150 usually do it Sarah Jade and you're gonna listen to wait 1467 01:36:00,180 --> 01:36:00,990 Destiny 1468 01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:25,620 Unknown: Destiny wait Destiny says to Gary Java ski fans and 1469 01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:48,270 installs can blaze on run me Wait wait wait wait this thing 1470 01:36:49,260 --> 01:36:49,950 says 1471 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,180 quickly 1472 01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:07,950 as possible 1473 01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:18,270 God so you 1474 01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:25,950 don't you're all better 1475 01:37:57,810 --> 01:38:02,670 all across this galaxy Hello friends where are you traveling 1476 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,330 Adam Curry: so all the SATs that you streamed the boost that you 1477 01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:49,170 sent that went to Sarah J we destiny we think like this all 1478 01:38:49,559 --> 01:38:52,469 Dave Jones: I did like it I also merged a pull request during the 1479 01:38:52,469 --> 01:38:57,869 middle of this What did you merge a lip merge. 1480 01:38:58,830 --> 01:39:03,060 Adam Curry: And thank you Dred Scott for boosting 100,000 SATs 1481 01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:07,830 to Sarah Jade. Oh nice. That is very nice. 1482 01:39:07,890 --> 01:39:09,210 Dave Jones: Very generous 1483 01:39:09,359 --> 01:39:13,949 Adam Curry: pen and man I'm so pumped about this stuff. So 1484 01:39:13,949 --> 01:39:19,829 yeah, there you go. I love the fact that musicians will now see 1485 01:39:19,829 --> 01:39:25,379 some kind of value from multiple people it'll be numbers. There's 1486 01:39:25,529 --> 01:39:29,879 there's you know messages that go along with it. This is this 1487 01:39:29,909 --> 01:39:33,449 this is what makes creative people do it do what they do. 1488 01:39:35,009 --> 01:39:38,219 You know it's not not a paycheck don't make be expecting a 1489 01:39:38,219 --> 01:39:39,959 paycheck just expect some value. 1490 01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:46,350 Dave Jones: On the on the face seven front, 1491 01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:48,210 Adam Curry: da Hold on a second. 1492 01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:57,570 Dave Jones: Oh, time for space. I love it. I mean we got a 1493 01:39:57,570 --> 01:40:02,100 space. We got to talk about it. We get It's a thing. Phase seven 1494 01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:07,620 is is going to be a thing quicker than we know. So right 1495 01:40:07,620 --> 01:40:12,360 now we're looking at chat, verify ownership. But they were 1496 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,910 changing the name of the authorization tag, because it's 1497 01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:17,970 it's not. It's not authorization. That's, that's 1498 01:40:17,970 --> 01:40:20,400 not we're talking about, we're talking about simply verifying 1499 01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:24,720 ownership of a feed. And we're also look going to look at the 1500 01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,710 events tag. Okay, that's what we've got so far. 1501 01:40:28,710 --> 01:40:30,720 Adam Curry: And what is the event? What is the event tag for 1502 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,930 Dave Jones: again, that was the thing of sending events back 1503 01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,730 from an app to Oh, yeah, 1504 01:40:35,730 --> 01:40:39,060 Adam Curry: writer, which actually could be very handy for 1505 01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:40,710 the podcast industrial complex. 1506 01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:43,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm just think we need to revisit that tag. 1507 01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,970 Because John spent a lot of time on it, and totally even had to 1508 01:40:47,970 --> 01:40:49,860 prove he had a proof of concept and that kind of thing. I think 1509 01:40:49,860 --> 01:40:53,130 we should need to, it needs to be in the boardroom, we need to 1510 01:40:53,130 --> 01:40:56,460 kick it around a whole bunch and find out what we all want to do 1511 01:40:56,460 --> 01:41:01,020 with that. The chat tags already in our feed, and it's a it's a 1512 01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:04,230 simple tag. I feel like that thing's probably just kind of a 1513 01:41:04,230 --> 01:41:09,270 slam dunk. But I mean, it will still talk it over but the 1514 01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:15,180 verify ownership tag, I think we're kind of coming around. on 1515 01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:19,830 that. I think we I think everybody's kind of agreeing. On 1516 01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:23,430 the spec that we outlined. A while back, we're we're just 1517 01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:27,090 down really down to just kind of cache busting questions at the 1518 01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:31,050 moment. So I think that we'll be right. Hopefully, we'll have so 1519 01:41:31,050 --> 01:41:39,540 here's my plan for the verify ownership tag. I think I think 1520 01:41:39,540 --> 01:41:48,090 just for four reasons. reasons. Reason as I should be the one, I 1521 01:41:48,090 --> 01:41:49,980 should be the one of the first ones to implement that on 1522 01:41:49,980 --> 01:41:53,400 podcast wallet. Okay. Don't you think so? 1523 01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:55,620 Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. And well, that's what that 1524 01:41:55,620 --> 01:42:00,660 automatically automatically be set through the the Partner API 1525 01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:01,200 as well. 1526 01:42:02,130 --> 01:42:06,150 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Because I mean, we we sort 1527 01:42:06,150 --> 01:42:10,530 of need, we're stuck to I mean, we know we need to, we need the 1528 01:42:10,530 --> 01:42:14,160 email handshake. And we don't have it. And yeah, yeah. So I 1529 01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:20,520 feel like, I feel like if I make that, then I can sort of proof 1530 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,070 of concept that out to everybody else. And 1531 01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,500 Adam Curry: will we still have the email verification 1532 01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:28,770 possibility? Or is that not going to be? Okay? Okay. 1533 01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:34,559 Dave Jones: So here's my thought. We, we combined the 1534 01:42:34,559 --> 01:42:38,369 two. So when you when you claim your show, when you claim your 1535 01:42:38,369 --> 01:42:43,319 podcast feed on podcast or wallet, it would send you the 1536 01:42:43,319 --> 01:42:50,459 email with the authorization token in it, but then also give 1537 01:42:50,459 --> 01:42:57,209 you a separate authorization token, display it to you and 1538 01:42:57,359 --> 01:43:05,399 begin the Dave, the feedback loop. So then, like so that, 1539 01:43:05,519 --> 01:43:09,029 that way people can just spoof the email. But so there'll be a 1540 01:43:09,029 --> 01:43:12,419 separate token, and then we will, we will look for that. 1541 01:43:12,419 --> 01:43:15,779 We'll begin the cycle of looking for that every once a min. And 1542 01:43:15,779 --> 01:43:16,019 now 1543 01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:19,740 Adam Curry: we look for it only in the TX T tag? Or will we make 1544 01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:23,100 it a little loose for everybody who doesn't quite support it 1545 01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:23,550 yet? 1546 01:43:24,269 --> 01:43:26,429 Dave Jones: I think initially, we will probably have to make it 1547 01:43:26,429 --> 01:43:27,149 loose. Yeah, I 1548 01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:27,900 Adam Curry: think so too. 1549 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:31,200 Dave Jones: Because if somebody goes in to technical term, by 1550 01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,670 the way, loose, loose, 1551 01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:36,899 Adam Curry: loose, like we can throw it in your Show Notes 1552 01:43:36,899 --> 01:43:38,999 field that a lot of work. So this isn't making 1553 01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:43,980 Dave Jones: qualifies as loose. That's very loose. Yeah, so I 1554 01:43:43,980 --> 01:43:46,680 think yeah, I think I think at first we'll just scrape the feet 1555 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,730 for that token, were just as a big, you know, like, just look 1556 01:43:50,730 --> 01:43:53,550 for the substring anywhere in the anywhere in the whole XML. 1557 01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:58,560 And then, yeah, I mean, I think I think that's, that makes a lot 1558 01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:03,450 of sense to me. And then we have once we sort of prove it, then 1559 01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:07,140 we can show everybody, I'll put the code up and show the show 1560 01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:07,470 works. 1561 01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:11,190 Adam Curry: Yeah. Excellent idea. Excellent. Okay. And this 1562 01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:13,650 Dave Jones: is I'm hoping I'm hoping we can verify to get the 1563 01:44:13,650 --> 01:44:17,400 verify ownership thing done pretty quick and not have to 1564 01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:20,730 wait till the end of phase seven. I mean, because I think 1565 01:44:20,730 --> 01:44:23,670 it's an it's a, it's a pretty big need at this point. 1566 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,040 Adam Curry: Is there anything that we need to revisit from any 1567 01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,670 of the previous six phases that needs love or needs attention or 1568 01:44:29,670 --> 01:44:31,830 that just has fallen by the wayside? 1569 01:44:33,780 --> 01:44:36,990 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, I'm sure that that's, that's 1570 01:44:36,990 --> 01:44:39,750 probably one of the dangers of going as fast as we have is 1571 01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:45,180 things get lost. Yeah. And, which is another thing I like 1572 01:44:45,180 --> 01:44:47,700 that what was sanded was I don't know if you saw that series of 1573 01:44:47,700 --> 01:44:52,260 tweets, where he literally tweeted every single tag and 1574 01:44:52,260 --> 01:44:56,070 what it does, no, I didn't see that. No, I missed that. Yeah, 1575 01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:59,010 he's like he's like pod fans supports this. And here's what 1576 01:44:59,010 --> 01:45:01,950 the tag does. It supports this tag and here's what it does it 1577 01:45:01,950 --> 01:45:07,170 supports they went through all 20 Something tags. And so 1578 01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,270 probably I need to spend more time in the sort of evangelism 1579 01:45:12,270 --> 01:45:17,310 phase. We've got, we don't want to jump directly necessarily 1580 01:45:17,310 --> 01:45:20,280 back into Phase seven and just say, okay, you know, we're just 1581 01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,220 going to barrel on through here and roofs heads down, we're 1582 01:45:23,220 --> 01:45:25,710 gonna do we're gonna build even more stuff, you know, like, 1583 01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:28,800 Wait, that's not necessarily what needs to happen at this 1584 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:34,860 point. I feel like we need to take a breather. And sort of 1585 01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:39,360 like I think what you said is right, we need to we need to go 1586 01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:44,070 probably go back. I need to do I should probably do a little bit 1587 01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:48,720 of writing right now about some of these tags and how they fit 1588 01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,990 together. And then maybe a remote 1589 01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:54,330 Adam Curry: remote item might need some more some more 1590 01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:55,020 explanation. 1591 01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:57,720 Dave Jones: I've got a draft of a sub stack post for remote 1592 01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,960 items specifically and I'll just start backwards with that and 1593 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:02,130 then work my way backwards. 1594 01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,050 Adam Curry: How about your show though? Man I'm waiting for your 1595 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,870 Dave's nightstand days nice 1596 01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:09,480 Dave Jones: yes, there's the night yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1597 01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:12,540 launch I think here's here's Okay, let me give you this. Let 1598 01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:18,960 me give you this this dope idea that I got I was thinking that I 1599 01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,420 will I can buy a road caster duo yeah because I'm I'm looking for 1600 01:46:24,450 --> 01:46:26,730 any reason to justify buying one 1601 01:46:28,020 --> 01:46:30,570 Adam Curry: I mean, you're just going to record your mic right 1602 01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:34,260 it's just gonna be that Yeah, yeah, you need a road caster do 1603 01:46:34,260 --> 01:46:39,210 Oh, for that for sure. I need one baby. Without that I mean, 1604 01:46:39,210 --> 01:46:41,160 how can you even consider doing a show 1605 01:46:41,550 --> 01:46:43,650 Dave Jones: I was picking out bread at the grocery store the 1606 01:46:43,650 --> 01:46:46,140 other day trying to figure out how this fit into a road caster 1607 01:46:46,140 --> 01:46:54,420 duo strategy so my thought is I do the road caster duo and if I 1608 01:46:54,420 --> 01:47:00,660 get in and I can fly I can fund I can I can buy I can buy the 1609 01:47:00,660 --> 01:47:04,590 road caster duel on on a booster Graham credit or boost credit. 1610 01:47:05,310 --> 01:47:08,280 How does that work? Oh, go ahead and buy it and then they've 1611 01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,390 written then as I get boosts you pay it back you pay back pay it 1612 01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:12,990 off? Yeah, 1613 01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,500 Adam Curry: there's a good goal. There's a good goal said hey, 1614 01:47:16,530 --> 01:47:20,580 this is what I want first pay for that pay for the duo. Yeah, 1615 01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:22,710 I sent me some value for that. 1616 01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:26,580 Dave Jones: If I if in a year I get enough boosts to pay back my 1617 01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:28,350 Duo I'll consider a success. 1618 01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,209 Adam Curry: Oh, you'll have that within six weeks. 1619 01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,100 Dave Jones: I don't want that I want I want it to be okay and I 1620 01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:35,910 don't want people to boost 1621 01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:38,280 Adam Curry: well remember remember you get what you asked 1622 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,490 for so if you just ask for open ended value you're gonna get 1623 01:47:41,730 --> 01:47:45,630 you're gonna be surprised so when when you when you set a 1624 01:47:45,630 --> 01:47:49,740 limit you're gonna get the limit when you say open you'll be 1625 01:47:49,740 --> 01:47:50,460 surprised 1626 01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:52,590 Dave Jones: I'm gonna do premium content. 1627 01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:54,330 Adam Curry: Oh give me a break 1628 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,830 Dave Jones: if people craft you become a member become a member 1629 01:47:59,070 --> 01:48:03,150 I did that tell you about that about the show? There's always 1630 01:48:03,150 --> 01:48:07,140 trigger nom de no trigonometry of course you know that. They 1631 01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:12,450 like they're they're like tiers of membership. They have a tear 1632 01:48:13,110 --> 01:48:16,050 a membership tier where they will have dinner with you like 1633 01:48:16,050 --> 01:48:22,470 once a month I'm not shitting you that is the God's honest 1634 01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:25,170 truth. They will like have dinner over zoom with you. I'm 1635 01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:26,700 like, Are you kidding? 1636 01:48:27,630 --> 01:48:30,270 Adam Curry: What does that cost? What does that cost for dinner 1637 01:48:30,270 --> 01:48:30,570 over? 1638 01:48:30,899 --> 01:48:33,629 Dave Jones: Like $10,000 a month for all I'm asking for money 1639 01:48:33,629 --> 01:48:34,049 really? 1640 01:48:35,550 --> 01:48:38,610 Adam Curry: That's an interesting tear off the rails 1641 01:48:38,610 --> 01:48:41,790 man. I'm telling you if you just asked people to send whatever 1642 01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:45,240 they thought the show was worth to them. You'd be amazed time 1643 01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:46,830 and time and time again. 1644 01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,070 Dave Jones: This is all straight and various strategies that I'm 1645 01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:53,160 cooking up to but to fund a road caster do oh this is all that 1646 01:48:53,160 --> 01:49:00,090 matters. She says you I just want to have the little pads 1647 01:49:00,090 --> 01:49:05,820 where I can go up you need the little pads you need them one 1648 01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:07,590 Yeah, well sound effect is 1649 01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:11,040 Adam Curry: that it is such a beautiful cute little box. I 1650 01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,730 mean I can't I have everything set I got all of my duplicated 1651 01:49:14,730 --> 01:49:19,080 everything. So it was 499 for the duo and all the other stuff 1652 01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:23,670 I need excluding the laptop I already had and everything 200 1653 01:49:23,670 --> 01:49:27,960 bucks. I got a wireless mouse. new wireless keyboard new MIDI 1654 01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,530 controller already had the licenses for the for the 1655 01:49:31,530 --> 01:49:37,860 software. And I bought I did buy high end mic booms that are very 1656 01:49:37,860 --> 01:49:43,530 light they're made of like something not not metal. So we 1657 01:49:43,530 --> 01:49:45,660 can take them on the road and they're not too heavy. 1658 01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,620 Dave Jones: This is not in your studio, you know no problem was 1659 01:49:49,620 --> 01:49:51,510 Adam Curry: I was always breaking apart the studio and 1660 01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:54,720 you're all the cables and then you have to really focus on it. 1661 01:49:54,990 --> 01:49:58,350 You know usually after no agenda show that Okay, gotta pack up 1662 01:49:58,350 --> 01:50:01,470 the studio and I'm tired and I'm worried I'm gonna forget one 1663 01:50:01,470 --> 01:50:06,300 that one critical thing or the USB dongle or something and I'll 1664 01:50:06,300 --> 01:50:09,630 be stuck somewhere without the winner not being able to do it 1665 01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:12,480 so I just want complete duplicate and instead of 1666 01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:16,860 duplicating the road caster two I got the duo and 1667 01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:21,029 Dave Jones: we came up with a with a name of a cooking show 1668 01:50:21,059 --> 01:50:22,139 only pans 1669 01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:27,150 Adam Curry: I love it. You should do that on the no agenda 1670 01:50:27,150 --> 01:50:33,780 tube. Only. Only pans that's Hold on a second. Don't move. 1671 01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:38,100 Let's see if that's let's let's see if that's available. Hold 1672 01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:42,780 on. That's hilarious. Let me see. Add a domain. Bada bing 1673 01:50:42,810 --> 01:50:49,920 bada bing as your only pans.com That's I'm sure that's taken. So 1674 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,850 on must have already taken that. Yeah, too bad. Yeah, it's 1675 01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:57,150 already gone. Weren't weren't. Yeah, that's that was that's too 1676 01:50:57,150 --> 01:50:59,070 good. You knew that one had to be gone. 1677 01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,200 Dave Jones: You still don't have any. You don't have no 1678 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:02,700 agenda.com Do 1679 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:08,040 Adam Curry: we have? We have no agenda? dotnet? No, no. 1680 01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,160 agenda.com has some bandhu. Let me see if they even have that. 1681 01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:16,050 No agenda. I have see if they even have the website up. Now 1682 01:51:16,050 --> 01:51:18,600 it's not even working. Oh, time to check it and see if it's 1683 01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,090 Dave Jones: available. Err, empty response. 1684 01:51:21,210 --> 01:51:23,070 Adam Curry: Yeah, let me see. It'd be funny if it was 1685 01:51:23,070 --> 01:51:27,660 available all of a sudden, is a band. Yeah, no agenda, 1686 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,210 Dave Jones: Doc, would they put their music on value for value? 1687 01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:34,020 Adam Curry: Wouldn't that be great? That'd be funny. No. 1688 01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:39,030 agenda.com Now I'm sure it's parked somewhere. It's such a 1689 01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:42,540 waste. Me. Whatever. Hey, at least I didn't fall for that 1690 01:51:42,540 --> 01:51:46,620 scam. The Crypto domain names remember that? Oh, yeah, that's 1691 01:51:46,620 --> 01:51:49,920 thing evaporated in a heartbeat. That was if you look at the 1692 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:55,380 chart for H NS I think is what the let me see what it was. It 1693 01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:58,770 was shape handshake. Yeah. So it was it was a crypto is H and S 1694 01:51:58,770 --> 01:52:02,400 I'd like you need this to protect your domain name moving 1695 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,280 forever. And I think Didn't you even buy some? 1696 01:52:05,580 --> 01:52:08,700 Dave Jones: No, no, I didn't. I got an email and I ran it by you 1697 01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:10,710 and you're like, This is BS. Run. 1698 01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:15,390 Adam Curry: Run Run away. Can I still track them? Hold on h&s. 1699 01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:19,350 Here we go. H and S as it is the chart straight up and straight 1700 01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:25,020 down? No. At the time of the of the Scam. what I consider to be 1701 01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:29,250 the scam? They hold on me. Let me go into it here for a second. 1702 01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:37,230 Let me get the full on charts. The chart for all time. Yeah, it 1703 01:52:37,230 --> 01:52:42,060 was it was up to like $1 I think. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1704 01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:45,690 No, it was up to up to bite us when they were selling him. Now 1705 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:49,650 all you got to have this. And I was like, No, this is dumb. And 1706 01:52:49,650 --> 01:52:55,320 you know, you don't know what it was $1 or $1 actually. And yeah, 1707 01:52:55,350 --> 01:53:01,710 well, they didn't rug pool. I mean, now it's 1.7 cents. Oh, 1708 01:53:01,980 --> 01:53:06,000 because because it's all it was and notice the all these all 1709 01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,720 these I saw him on the telegram group. And these people like 1710 01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:13,110 hey, man, you know he could ever go ever pop. Will we ever seen 1711 01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:16,650 anything happened now? Because it was it was dumb. They had a 1712 01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:20,250 name so you couldn't even connect it? It doesn't work with 1713 01:53:20,250 --> 01:53:21,060 DNS. 1714 01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:27,330 Dave Jones: But the is the dot eath is that still a thing? In 1715 01:53:27,330 --> 01:53:29,670 everyone's getting dot eath for a while. No, I 1716 01:53:29,670 --> 01:53:30,390 Adam Curry: don't know. 1717 01:53:30,929 --> 01:53:32,789 Dave Jones: I haven't seen one of those and forever this this 1718 01:53:32,789 --> 01:53:35,369 stuff is all it's just it's all such a scam. 1719 01:53:35,729 --> 01:53:38,309 Adam Curry: Yeah. And a lot of people fell for it. 1720 01:53:38,969 --> 01:53:41,369 Dave Jones: Oh, I bet because they sold it really well. I 1721 01:53:41,369 --> 01:53:45,059 mean, they saw they had the marketing and I mean, like it 1722 01:53:45,059 --> 01:53:46,319 was a full on push. 1723 01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:49,560 Adam Curry: Yeah, you can you can get your web three username. 1724 01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,620 Yeah, you can get dot eath it's just a top level domain name you 1725 01:53:52,620 --> 01:53:57,300 can get that you can just pay for it. Is pay for it. And eath 1726 01:53:57,330 --> 01:53:57,990 Okay, 1727 01:53:58,020 --> 01:54:01,230 Dave Jones: grainy. This all is also painful. 1728 01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,890 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm sure that there's people just not true if 1729 01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:08,040 you use an alternative name server. Yeah, of course. Yeah, 1730 01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,730 of course we can do that too. You don't you don't need to have 1731 01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,150 crypto involved. And I say crypto because it's not Bitcoin. 1732 01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,570 Speaking of such, shall we thanks for people. 1733 01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:21,450 Dave Jones: I would enjoy that. Okay, because 1734 01:54:21,450 --> 01:54:26,310 Adam Curry: we have been yapping for quite a while. And let's 1735 01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:29,520 see. I'm gonna thank some of the some of the live boosters 1736 01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:34,260 Captain egghead. 1111 Thank you 3333 from hard hat, there's Dred 1737 01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:38,730 Scott. Great tune boosting weighed destiny by Sarah Jade 1738 01:54:38,730 --> 01:54:45,600 and he sure did boost he boosted 100,000 sets Thank you very much 1739 01:54:45,630 --> 01:54:48,960 drive that always helps the artists now the 30 333 from hard 1740 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:54,180 hat. We got Captain egg head again with a short row of ducks. 1741 01:54:54,180 --> 01:54:58,080 We got frozen. We're with 10,000 Hey, hey, finally caught you 1742 01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:02,310 guys live. Thank you, rd. David R Davis at seven one a one a 1743 01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:05,100 one. I can relate to you Adam even though I never launched the 1744 01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:08,550 podcast yet the genius of my knowledge of podcasting came 1745 01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:11,190 from a search on how to start internet radio station. There 1746 01:55:11,190 --> 01:55:14,430 you go. In the boardroom please accept this episode boost for 1747 01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:18,330 your most excellent discussion on the true podcaster and that's 1748 01:55:18,330 --> 01:55:27,450 141 SATs from our Davis. And there is oh goodness. 121,212 1749 01:55:27,450 --> 01:55:31,020 SATs who could it be once again Dred Scott boosting my passion 1750 01:55:31,020 --> 01:55:34,530 project podcasting. 2.0 Thanks for letting me be a little part 1751 01:55:34,530 --> 01:55:40,650 of it. You got a brother? They Thank you, brother. He is He is 1752 01:55:40,650 --> 01:55:45,660 such a baller. 2100 from Macintosh screw Apple go open 1753 01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:52,350 podcasting Macintosh generation Bitcoin 8888 from anonymous says 1754 01:55:52,380 --> 01:55:57,690 boosts boost we got another anonymous 10,100 love you guys 1755 01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:04,410 and a 101010 that is 101,010 SATs from anonymous. It's been 1756 01:56:04,410 --> 01:56:13,890 too long since I heard a boost come through so boost 14,496 1757 01:56:13,890 --> 01:56:17,130 from Sir TJ the wrathful you guys are doing great things. 1758 01:56:17,130 --> 01:56:20,310 Here's all the SATs left in my wallet. Just take it and keep 1759 01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:25,350 the lid down. Keep the lid down. Yeah, he he also listened to 1760 01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:28,650 Kareem the keeper and I am a stickler for keeping the lid 1761 01:56:28,650 --> 01:56:29,970 closed on the toilet. 1762 01:56:30,450 --> 01:56:34,230 Dave Jones: Oh I am too because if you don't you get a plume of 1763 01:56:34,710 --> 01:56:39,990 gloom of poop. Poop Yes, every with every flush 1764 01:56:40,020 --> 01:56:42,300 Adam Curry: and also it eliminates the whole problem of 1765 01:56:42,300 --> 01:56:45,720 seat upside down just everybody closes the lid and everyone 1766 01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:48,930 opens it to the level they need and closes it again. 1767 01:56:49,439 --> 01:56:51,269 Dave Jones: It's the most egalitarian way 1768 01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:58,260 Adam Curry: I see I think he had TJ the wrathful here in this 1769 01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,740 place it's the only have 50 seconds and then why did we know 1770 01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:04,650 she stayed here before? Because the toilet seats were down 1771 01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:27,000 supposed to be this ogre who just walked on. yelled at me on 1772 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:35,640 our third date. The room around here if we need to sit down 1773 01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:39,510 there's never an argument about what I said 1774 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,520 you want to stick around with the seat down? It's not to see 1775 01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:50,850 you still 1776 01:57:56,520 --> 01:58:01,470 want to stick around? There you go. Sir. TJ the rack 1777 01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,400 Dave Jones: Did you really say to Tina, babe. No, 1778 01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:09,749 Adam Curry: of course not. That is my wife exaggerating. 1779 01:58:10,050 --> 01:58:11,640 Dave Jones: You lift the seat up, baby. 1780 01:58:11,970 --> 01:58:15,120 Adam Curry: I said we put the lids down around here. You want 1781 01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,040 to stick around put the lid down? 1782 01:58:17,790 --> 01:58:20,550 Dave Jones: Does mildly I will have to say agree with Tina that 1783 01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:24,510 is mildly aggressive, very aggressive. We do this around 1784 01:58:24,510 --> 01:58:28,140 here. There's an implicit bave that you don't have to say 1785 01:58:28,170 --> 01:58:33,450 Adam Curry: eight years and we never had a fight. One on 101 1786 01:58:33,450 --> 01:58:36,570 from C Dubs. Let's go podcasting. He says yes, let's 1787 01:58:36,570 --> 01:58:42,330 go podcast 55 555 from blueberry sorry, I don't have more SATs on 1788 01:58:42,330 --> 01:58:46,170 hand will rectify soon. It is of my opinion that motion picture 1789 01:58:46,170 --> 01:58:50,280 music videos are absolutely 69 69% possible using GIF art 1790 01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,460 and chapters. Hopefully coming this week. I'll have a proof of 1791 01:58:53,460 --> 01:58:57,540 concept to demo. Two. All right, we like that. And it doesn't 1792 01:58:57,540 --> 01:59:01,260 matter what it is. Blueberry. It's the SATs is boosting is 1793 01:59:01,260 --> 01:59:02,670 loving no matter what you do. 1794 01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:06,270 Dave Jones: Did you see my fancy new animated GIF? For the day 1795 01:59:06,270 --> 01:59:07,710 for days rested code case? 1796 01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:10,800 Adam Curry: No. No, I haven't. I haven't worked on that. And 1797 01:59:11,850 --> 01:59:14,490 Dave Jones: I'll post it here. It's it's courtesy of blueberry. 1798 01:59:14,490 --> 01:59:16,290 I paid him 100,000 said bounty for 1799 01:59:16,290 --> 01:59:20,670 Adam Curry: it. Nice. Yeah. There's your economy working. He 1800 01:59:20,670 --> 01:59:23,910 served me well. Very good. 33,000 from Carolyn says Hey, 1801 01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:28,140 Adam and Dave Hey, Carolyn, thank you. There's your 1234 Yo 1802 01:59:28,140 --> 01:59:33,270 boost bot there's Eric tp 3333 Boost boost boost but 3330 from 1803 01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:37,170 hard hat again. 3333 testing from anonymous 1000 from Dave 1804 01:59:37,170 --> 01:59:43,050 Thank you Dave. tastebuds said let's go 333 Another 333 333 1805 01:59:43,050 --> 01:59:47,100 from Eric p p there's our 50,000 from anonymous a 10,000 from 1806 01:59:47,100 --> 01:59:50,520 Martin was boosting our amazing pre show. Another short row of 1807 01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:53,880 Dr. Martin home again after a week in sunny Greece and happily 1808 01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:57,120 listening not live again. Man. When those when those guys over 1809 01:59:57,120 --> 02:00:01,290 there in Denmark they lose their job they go on vacation. That's 1810 02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:05,070 about those guys. I got fired I'm going on vacation. 1811 02:00:05,490 --> 02:00:07,560 Dave Jones: It's the best time to go on vacation true. 1812 02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:11,250 Adam Curry: And we got the pre boosts the boost boost via 1813 02:00:11,250 --> 02:00:19,680 podcast gurus new lb integration from Dred Scott 100,001 SATs is 1814 02:00:19,980 --> 02:00:24,000 that new podcast gurus new Alby I thought they already had lb 1815 02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,110 integrations that new. 1816 02:00:25,649 --> 02:00:27,929 Dave Jones: I mean, it's fairly new. It's been around for 1817 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:31,200 Adam Curry: about a month and a half gets podcast addict doing V 1818 02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,210 for V. Are they still not doing that? No, 1819 02:00:33,359 --> 02:00:37,469 Dave Jones: not yet. It was the you know, he may he may revisit 1820 02:00:37,469 --> 02:00:41,879 that once. This is me talking has nothing to do his knees 1821 02:00:41,879 --> 02:00:46,739 never said this. He may revisit it one day with now that there's 1822 02:00:46,739 --> 02:00:50,909 things like Albay because at the time when he first explored it, 1823 02:00:50,909 --> 02:00:52,859 it was nothing but it was only Ellen pay. 1824 02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:56,640 Adam Curry: He also had a lot of App Store challenges I think, in 1825 02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,670 general, for some reasons that podcast addict I'm thinking of 1826 02:00:59,790 --> 02:01:02,280 Yeah, right. Right. Right. They've given him such a hard 1827 02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:05,520 time but not over yet burned. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure just 1828 02:01:05,610 --> 02:01:09,030 for whatever reason is, is all kinds of disclaimers. Ya can't 1829 02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:10,260 do stuff in the app. 1830 02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,560 Dave Jones: Over time if it you know, if it persists and we 1831 02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,750 don't get any appstore shenanigans, he may come back. 1832 02:01:19,020 --> 02:01:21,360 Adam Curry: And then one more before I hit the delimiter and 1833 02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,570 it is from the tone wrecker. refilled SATs in wallet feels 1834 02:01:24,570 --> 02:01:28,020 like a fully charged battery now playing catch up for previous 1835 02:01:28,050 --> 02:01:33,120 droopy boosts. When the cupboards were bare. 101010 1836 02:01:34,230 --> 02:01:39,450 Sakala 20 is blades only Ambala. Thank you. I love the digital 1837 02:01:39,450 --> 02:01:42,690 nature of these binary boosts. They're so nice. Thank you all 1838 02:01:42,690 --> 02:01:44,910 very much for live boosting. We appreciate it. If you're 1839 02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,660 listening now. And you didn't consider rolling it back a 1840 02:01:48,660 --> 02:01:57,300 little bit and boosting for for Sarah Jade for song. Hello, see 1841 02:01:57,300 --> 02:01:57,990 Dave Jones: we got it. Yep. 1842 02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,690 Adam Curry: All right. And Dave will now take us through the 1843 02:02:00,690 --> 02:02:01,800 rest of our donations. 1844 02:02:02,850 --> 02:02:06,360 Dave Jones: Again, I had to reach down. We would get Franco 1845 02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:11,400 Celerio or buddy ever cast ematic $100 through PayPal. 1846 02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:18,600 Adam Curry: Wow. Hold on $100 through PayPal. Thank you very 1847 02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:19,230 much. 1848 02:02:19,589 --> 02:02:22,139 Dave Jones: And I asked him when he sent. Thank you very much 1849 02:02:22,139 --> 02:02:25,079 Franco. I asked him when he sent in that donation. I said well 1850 02:02:27,179 --> 02:02:29,639 tell me, you know, tell me tell me how's it going with cast? 1851 02:02:29,639 --> 02:02:33,419 ematic? You know, Howard, have you had increase in premium 1852 02:02:33,419 --> 02:02:36,389 users? You know, budgets general financial health. I mean, how 1853 02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:39,479 was it how's your app do and and he said it was doing really 1854 02:02:39,479 --> 02:02:44,759 well. He said that podcasting 2.0 The bear has really sort of 1855 02:02:44,939 --> 02:02:49,709 elevated his his app store stuff and he's replaced so I was glad 1856 02:02:49,709 --> 02:02:50,339 to hear that. So 1857 02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,010 Adam Curry: he has a premium. I don't have iOS so I don't know 1858 02:02:53,010 --> 02:02:55,890 he has a premium option as well where you can subscribe. Okay, 1859 02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:58,320 good. Good. Yeah, that's right. And just support I like that. 1860 02:02:58,470 --> 02:03:01,530 You know, when I tell people to do this, I love it. I like cast 1861 02:03:01,530 --> 02:03:03,720 thematic. So yeah, you know, Franco does you know what he 1862 02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,980 does in his in his day job know why he's a doctor. What is 1863 02:03:09,420 --> 02:03:11,790 Dave Jones: his day job is cast ematic he moonlights as a 1864 02:03:11,790 --> 02:03:12,660 physician. Yeah, 1865 02:03:12,659 --> 02:03:14,819 Adam Curry: I don't think so. He's probably still curing 1866 02:03:14,819 --> 02:03:17,549 people most of the time. We love Franco. 1867 02:03:19,020 --> 02:03:22,980 Dave Jones: We got Pedro Korea. I hope I'm saying that right. 1868 02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:28,230 SEO or EIA Pedro Korea. $10. one time donation to PayPal. 1869 02:03:28,229 --> 02:03:29,759 Adam Curry: Thank you very much Pedro note. 1870 02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:34,740 Dave Jones: Appreciate that. Oh, yes, Mr. Graham's let's see we 1871 02:03:34,740 --> 02:03:40,260 get 10,000 sets from certain net net. All it says is just because 1872 02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,070 Mr. Gray, 1873 02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:42,060 Adam Curry: thank you very much. 1874 02:03:42,330 --> 02:03:47,490 Dave Jones: Thank you, sir. Nana. We'll see we get 1701 from 1875 02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:52,380 our Oh Archie. Source days gave us the boost CLI says boosting 1876 02:03:52,380 --> 02:03:53,250 via vim 1877 02:03:54,930 --> 02:03:58,770 Adam Curry: not really nice. I want to know how he's doing 1878 02:03:58,770 --> 02:04:01,980 that. That is big flex. I like it though. 1879 02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:06,390 Dave Jones: Okay, we have you we have our respect. Cotton Gin 1880 02:04:06,390 --> 02:04:12,000 Bootmakers ball 333 says thank you cotton gin. Oh Darren No. To 1881 02:04:12,180 --> 02:04:17,430 see he sent oh okay the way this is from last this from like at 1882 02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:22,410 the very end of last show. Okay. Let's see. 73rd Did we read sir 1883 02:04:22,410 --> 02:04:25,980 TJ the wrathful last week exciting music talk today I want 1884 02:04:25,980 --> 02:04:29,040 to help even more but as a recovering musician and 1885 02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,260 struggling just to survive Albert do we read that? Yeah, we 1886 02:04:31,260 --> 02:04:34,560 did. Okay, some of these overlap I think we let the show went 1887 02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:40,260 long last week so trying to Yeah, there we go. Make me catch 1888 02:04:40,260 --> 02:04:44,640 up here. Yeah, after we got some after show tunes boosts from 1889 02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,760 hard hat Thank you very much hard hat. We got a call 1890 02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,550 McCormick to enter two year anniversary for booths holy 1891 02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:56,220 Bitcoin Batman 22 through fountain we got a special 1892 02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:58,710 Richard from call McCormick thank you to fountain he says 1893 02:04:58,710 --> 02:05:01,740 the influencer game is real The more money is going into it. In 1894 02:05:01,740 --> 02:05:05,190 my opinion, it's an entrepreneur's dream. V for v is 1895 02:05:05,190 --> 02:05:07,410 the foundation. Most of these people are missing, though. 1896 02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,910 Adam Curry: Did you see Did you see that? People getting payouts 1897 02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:17,550 from Twitter? No. And they were posting it? Yeah. So I've seen 1898 02:05:17,550 --> 02:05:21,480 people getting $5,000.10. Of course, they have no 2 million 1899 02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:22,260 followers. 1900 02:05:23,250 --> 02:05:25,830 Dave Jones: Stay on the platform. No, it's, I guess 1901 02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:30,240 Adam Curry: the way it works is they put advertising in the in 1902 02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:35,280 the follow up tweets to your tweet. And every ad that is 1903 02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:40,530 shown in those tweets, you get a piece of the action. And so 1904 02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,260 yeah, some people were getting some some pretty big payouts, 1905 02:05:43,620 --> 02:05:45,630 then very interesting. 1906 02:05:46,290 --> 02:05:48,900 Dave Jones: Did you know that Twitter's getting sued by the by 1907 02:05:48,900 --> 02:05:50,820 a conglomerate of music publishers? 1908 02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,560 Adam Curry: I think I did. Because, you know, they don't 1909 02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:59,610 play the game. The game that everybody paid plays, is they 1910 02:05:59,610 --> 02:06:04,110 pay 10s of millions of dollars a year, maybe even more than that 1911 02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:09,690 for blanket licenses. And so, you know, that was really what 1912 02:06:09,690 --> 02:06:12,480 bytedance said, what tic TOCs it is they were the first to get a 1913 02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:16,020 full on as far as I know, to get not just a full on license, but 1914 02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:18,300 also to make it available to their people so they could do 1915 02:06:18,300 --> 02:06:23,430 all the stupid dances. And do and do it legally. And be out. 1916 02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:26,340 And then of course Google and Facebook, they also all this is 1917 02:06:26,340 --> 02:06:28,920 what the music industry is right with tick tock is the music 1918 02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:30,510 business. Right. 1919 02:06:31,410 --> 02:06:34,500 Dave Jones: And people just take people just take those videos 1920 02:06:34,500 --> 02:06:38,700 and republish them on the other platforms. Yep. And Facebook 1921 02:06:38,700 --> 02:06:42,690 paid. Yep. Yeah, Instagram and Twitter did not 1922 02:06:42,690 --> 02:06:45,390 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, he's gonna lose out he's gonna lose that 1923 02:06:45,540 --> 02:06:49,170 Dave Jones: he'll lose well, so one of the I don't have a last 1924 02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:53,040 who this quote was from, but as it may have been the guy from 1925 02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:58,110 Universal. He said, Twitter knows full well that music is 1926 02:06:58,110 --> 02:07:01,740 leaked, launched and streamed by billions of people every day on 1927 02:07:01,740 --> 02:07:06,690 his platform. No longer can it hide behind the DMCA and refused 1928 02:07:06,690 --> 02:07:11,190 to pay songwriters and music publishers. That thought that 1929 02:07:11,190 --> 02:07:14,070 was an interesting quote. No kidding. You know, he's like, 1930 02:07:14,100 --> 02:07:18,150 he's like, no, no, no, no, you can't just say, hey, send a 1931 02:07:18,150 --> 02:07:21,390 DMCA, and we'll take it down. That's not enough. You have to 1932 02:07:21,420 --> 02:07:26,100 actively use one of these fingerprinting algorithms trip 1933 02:07:26,100 --> 02:07:26,640 proactive. 1934 02:07:27,509 --> 02:07:32,399 Adam Curry: Oh, really? This is why we're doing we're doing good 1935 02:07:32,399 --> 02:07:35,639 work here. Send me that image. Dave. I want to I want to put it 1936 02:07:35,639 --> 02:07:38,579 on the I want to stream it. I can stream it. I can put it in 1937 02:07:38,579 --> 02:07:39,659 the split kit and stream it. 1938 02:07:40,740 --> 02:07:45,450 Dave Jones: Okay, that was the original Richard from Joel 1111 1939 02:07:45,450 --> 02:07:47,790 through fountain No, no, thank you. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. 1940 02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:54,390 See we've got 2000 SAS from Rp 1984. Boosting for Dave's book 1941 02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:54,870 club. 1942 02:07:54,899 --> 02:07:57,689 Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go. Go is to start. 1943 02:07:59,939 --> 02:08:04,439 Dave Jones: One 100 of the way to a road caster do Oscar marry 1944 02:08:04,469 --> 02:08:08,339 10,000 SATs through found he says I am against the shim for 1945 02:08:08,339 --> 02:08:11,789 music and podcast index. wavelike has exactly what we 1946 02:08:11,789 --> 02:08:14,099 need already set up and we should be pointing artists to 1947 02:08:14,099 --> 02:08:16,829 WaveLight to get on boarded. Having only one music hosting 1948 02:08:16,829 --> 02:08:19,109 company is not a problem in the short term. We just need to get 1949 02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:21,179 things started and as long as WaveLight continue to support 1950 02:08:21,179 --> 02:08:24,899 open RSS then others can come in later down the line. Let's all 1951 02:08:24,899 --> 02:08:27,929 get behind wave lake for music hosting and try and build as big 1952 02:08:27,929 --> 02:08:31,139 a catalog as we can. Which is the only way this will work. 1953 02:08:31,740 --> 02:08:34,530 Adam Curry: I think we I think we agreed on that. On the last 1954 02:08:34,530 --> 02:08:39,060 show. I did not get a second on the motion and it was it was 1955 02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:42,870 shelved and tabled to permanently you retracted it is 1956 02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,150 I did. I will now yes I 1957 02:08:45,150 --> 02:08:48,000 Dave Jones: retract every trial case now which I feel is better. 1958 02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:53,280 Okay, anonymous 6666 in the nodige says rockin well thank 1959 02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,020 you anonymous and he gave us another 6666 When no note bad 1960 02:08:58,020 --> 02:09:01,980 career advice chats and as a bigger sexual Richard's 11 111 1961 02:09:02,580 --> 02:09:05,670 through fountain he says not gonna not gonna lie this Shem 1962 02:09:05,670 --> 02:09:10,140 talk is making mas gloss over. Yeah, it's kind of the point. 1963 02:09:11,130 --> 02:09:14,070 I've been Ride or Die since episode one. But this discussion 1964 02:09:14,070 --> 02:09:17,040 was like a PhD thesis on the hypothetical application of 1965 02:09:17,070 --> 02:09:19,440 string theory to the distribution of ceiling string 1966 02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:24,510 from a can real problems necessary conversation, but this 1967 02:09:24,510 --> 02:09:34,170 is a real grind of a board meeting boost to give him Sorry, 1968 02:09:34,380 --> 02:09:36,930 bad career advice. Yeah, but we made up with it with great 1969 02:09:36,930 --> 02:09:42,480 music. That's true. Jean being 2222 threes cast Matic is a spec 1970 02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,780 wise maybe what we need is to codify a way to define a three 1971 02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:49,740 tier authors. What whenever I hear three tier. 1972 02:09:51,359 --> 02:09:53,579 Adam Curry: I'm boosting you out of that. Three tier 1973 02:09:53,579 --> 02:09:56,969 authorization is that like a secret handshake with a decoder 1974 02:09:56,969 --> 02:09:57,239 ring 1975 02:09:57,689 --> 02:09:59,309 Dave Jones: that thinks where you end up with one where you 1976 02:09:59,309 --> 02:10:03,479 end up shaking them The guy's ankle spec was maybe we what we 1977 02:10:03,479 --> 02:10:06,449 need is a to codify way to define a three tier 1978 02:10:06,449 --> 02:10:10,049 authorization process where an O auth flow is tier one and 1979 02:10:10,049 --> 02:10:15,059 automatically inserted TX T tags tier two in a manually added txt 1980 02:10:15,059 --> 02:10:20,279 tags tier three. Oh, I see what he's saying. Okay. Yeah, okay, 1981 02:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,339 so it was Yeah, well maybe maybe maybe down the road Yeah, I mean 1982 02:10:23,339 --> 02:10:26,759 there could be a spec Yeah, cuz he asked me what you mean. Yeah, 1983 02:10:26,759 --> 02:10:28,589 that would that would be a separate spec, sort of like the 1984 02:10:28,589 --> 02:10:31,349 namespace would be defined as the tags and then how to 1985 02:10:31,349 --> 02:10:34,079 interact and then you could have a separate spec for this other 1986 02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:38,159 thing which I truly that should be something that the podcast 1987 02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:42,179 Energy Group does ah, that sounds like their bowl. 1988 02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:46,200 Adam Curry: Good luck was at Yeah Hey, um, if you pull up 1989 02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:49,680 curio caster I think I'm now streaming your Star Man image. 1990 02:10:50,460 --> 02:10:52,230 Dave Jones: How did you get it and you've seen it yet? 1991 02:10:52,500 --> 02:10:56,640 Adam Curry: I will. Say baby baby. Father we're talking about 1992 02:10:56,640 --> 02:11:00,600 sage man come on the lid down. Keep the lid down if you want to 1993 02:11:00,600 --> 02:11:01,560 stick around 1994 02:11:03,630 --> 02:11:05,160 Dave Jones: Oh, wait, we shouldn't be 1995 02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:08,610 Adam Curry: working here. Casters should be working. Oh 1996 02:11:08,610 --> 02:11:09,270 yes, I see. 1997 02:11:11,340 --> 02:11:14,370 Dave Jones: Now you you just have so you had just new toys 1998 02:11:14,370 --> 02:11:14,580 and I 1999 02:11:14,580 --> 02:11:17,730 Adam Curry: have power I have powers this is cool. This is the 2000 02:11:17,730 --> 02:11:22,680 split kid man once you figure it out. This is there's no going 2001 02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:23,130 back and 2002 02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:25,110 Dave Jones: that's a good look and Jeff and yeah, that's a 2003 02:11:25,110 --> 02:11:29,790 Adam Curry: great look. And Jeff said that your your is is really 2004 02:11:29,790 --> 02:11:30,180 tight. 2005 02:11:30,899 --> 02:11:35,849 Dave Jones: I know. I get that a lot if you knew how many times a 2006 02:11:35,849 --> 02:11:36,329 day I hurt 2007 02:11:36,359 --> 02:11:39,359 Adam Curry: yeah, I know. All right, and back to the value for 2008 02:11:39,359 --> 02:11:40,619 value image. Okay, 2009 02:11:40,620 --> 02:11:43,290 Dave Jones: and when Macintosh Oh, you just it just changed on 2010 02:11:43,290 --> 02:11:43,920 my screen? 2011 02:11:43,950 --> 02:11:45,570 Adam Curry: I did. How cool is that? 2012 02:11:46,530 --> 02:11:50,580 Dave Jones: Macintosh 2100 sets great talk about peer tube stuff 2013 02:11:50,580 --> 02:11:53,190 looking forward to integrating it into my setup Macintosh 2014 02:11:53,190 --> 02:11:56,220 generation Bitcoin. Well, that'd be great. Macintosh right Oh, 2015 02:11:57,060 --> 02:12:01,140 Jean being 10 grand cast Matic I really wish transcription 2016 02:12:01,140 --> 02:12:03,810 services would allow you to submit individual tracks per 2017 02:12:03,810 --> 02:12:06,870 speaker instead of just the merge mp3 as then there would be 2018 02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:08,880 no issue with knowing who said what. 2019 02:12:09,210 --> 02:12:11,010 Adam Curry: Oh, well. That's an interesting idea. I hadn't even 2020 02:12:11,010 --> 02:12:14,550 thought of that. Not that I would do it but it's totally 2021 02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,500 totally doable that way, I guess. 2022 02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:20,100 Dave Jones: Yeah, that sounds like a really neat idea. Jean 2023 02:12:20,100 --> 02:12:23,460 been 20 to 22 guests mazes I hear y'all talk about Hello, Pat 2024 02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:26,880 a lot. But it work with fountain or Alby as the wallet that 2025 02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:32,430 receives the boosts. Not not as a current it's an lnd polar. 2026 02:12:32,700 --> 02:12:36,510 Adam Curry: So you got to have you got to have a node. But 2027 02:12:36,540 --> 02:12:41,040 Dave Jones: but the plan with hell Upad when I returned to it 2028 02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:47,460 is to be able to boost back you know, do a reply boost in so in 2029 02:12:47,460 --> 02:12:51,540 that I think I will actually put in support for the lb extension. 2030 02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:54,180 Adam Curry: Ooh, yeah, that that would be great. If you can do 2031 02:12:54,180 --> 02:12:57,600 that. That's a big win. Yeah, thanks. That's a big win. 2032 02:12:58,859 --> 02:13:03,329 Dave Jones: See, just listening for devices. There's one podcast 2033 02:13:03,329 --> 02:13:06,509 where I don't skip through the ads. It is no dumb questions 2034 02:13:06,509 --> 02:13:10,169 with destin Sandlin and Matt Whitman. An excellent podcast my 2035 02:13:10,169 --> 02:13:12,809 entire family listens to and the ads are incredibly well done 2036 02:13:12,809 --> 02:13:15,809 this is a native ad plus they have started reading ads from 2037 02:13:15,809 --> 02:13:18,779 listeners who bid for an ad spot a very interesting idea in my 2038 02:13:18,779 --> 02:13:24,749 mind. Thank you for all right the way it works. Thanks Jess 2039 02:13:24,749 --> 02:13:32,459 listening. See you a couple here pretty pants 12345 Thank you 2040 02:13:32,459 --> 02:13:36,329 pristine mountain says song booster song says tune tamer 2041 02:13:36,359 --> 02:13:40,589 rhythm wrangler Oh these are these are song like show title 2042 02:13:40,589 --> 02:13:41,609 suggestions. Oh 2043 02:13:41,610 --> 02:13:43,680 Adam Curry: read them again. Song booster 2044 02:13:43,710 --> 02:13:47,850 Dave Jones: song sets tune tamer rhythm wrangler and Jeep jammer 2045 02:13:49,530 --> 02:13:52,350 Adam Curry: all interesting. These could be sub items within 2046 02:13:52,350 --> 02:13:52,920 the show. 2047 02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:56,339 Dave Jones: Is this a follow up of another 12345 this is 2048 02:13:56,339 --> 02:14:00,269 treasure tunes sketchy song master tracking tunes and Music 2049 02:14:00,269 --> 02:14:00,809 Meister 2050 02:14:01,170 --> 02:14:04,110 Adam Curry: these are all great little sub items for in the 2051 02:14:04,110 --> 02:14:05,760 show. Thank you. 2052 02:14:06,540 --> 02:14:09,330 Dave Jones: Jean basin is a 4k killer boosts with no no thank 2053 02:14:09,330 --> 02:14:14,310 you. Jay made our Davis 87 No Sasha Richards 1111 sweating my 2054 02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:18,510 Richard and busting a move to the music of detox. Go V for V 2055 02:14:18,510 --> 02:14:21,480 music. Yeah, okay, detox is Alex's buddy. 2056 02:14:21,660 --> 02:14:24,210 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. We played 2057 02:14:24,210 --> 02:14:25,620 we played his stuff. Sure. 2058 02:14:26,430 --> 02:14:29,850 Dave Jones: Jeff and his 4004 says with no note, thank you, 2059 02:14:29,850 --> 02:14:34,800 Jeff. 10,333 from I am robot through fountain says got 2060 02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,560 Masatoshi coffee ready for the board meeting. David Adam. 2061 02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:39,810 There's always a lot of discussions about the update of 2062 02:14:39,810 --> 02:14:42,630 modern podcast apps. But what about the state of the podcast? 2063 02:14:42,660 --> 02:14:46,320 Podcast hosting platforms on the index? Anyone that stands out or 2064 02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,210 is running with scissors in the pipe? 2065 02:14:49,229 --> 02:14:52,829 Adam Curry: Well, I mean, this does mean there's lots of lots 2066 02:14:52,829 --> 02:14:57,089 of hosts who are who who support the the namespace items. 2067 02:14:57,899 --> 02:14:58,739 Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. 2068 02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,110 Adam Curry: I don't know if anyone's done. Hands out per se. 2069 02:15:01,110 --> 02:15:04,140 But, you know, we don't really play favorites, but we're happy 2070 02:15:04,140 --> 02:15:07,530 with every host that supports anything from the namespace. And 2071 02:15:07,530 --> 02:15:11,670 everyone has to go at their own pace. But But Lipson, where are 2072 02:15:11,670 --> 02:15:12,150 ya? 2073 02:15:13,979 --> 02:15:16,259 Dave Jones: It's easier to come up with a with a with a wall of 2074 02:15:16,259 --> 02:15:21,059 shame. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Well, one guy we have not had on here 2075 02:15:21,059 --> 02:15:24,509 and this is my fault one guy that we have been just 2076 02:15:24,509 --> 02:15:27,719 completely neglected to talk to you is Dobie das Obrador says 2077 02:15:27,719 --> 02:15:31,409 blue. Let's bring them on them. Yeah, we gotta we gotta get him 2078 02:15:31,409 --> 02:15:34,109 on. I mean, I was just like bring them on a totally keep 2079 02:15:34,109 --> 02:15:35,189 forgetting to reach out to him. 2080 02:15:35,250 --> 02:15:37,380 Adam Curry: But remember I promise I promised Oscar as soon 2081 02:15:37,380 --> 02:15:40,470 as he released this that as soon as he's out with this new 2082 02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:42,000 release we'll bring him on. 2083 02:15:42,570 --> 02:15:49,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's see. Okay. Oh, 2084 02:15:49,860 --> 02:15:53,310 there it is. 1000 SATs Guy Smiley, V for V. That's all he 2085 02:15:53,310 --> 02:15:53,760 says. 2086 02:15:53,970 --> 02:15:55,320 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you very much. 2087 02:15:56,340 --> 02:16:00,480 Dave Jones: 5555 from Borlaug, no notes through pod verse. 2088 02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:05,250 Thank you Borlaug boost boost satchel Richards 1111 from Pat 2089 02:16:05,250 --> 02:16:09,180 back career advice chances pre boosting the show v for V yay, 2090 02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:12,660 boost your comic strip blogger 2091 02:16:12,750 --> 02:16:14,160 Adam Curry: dot the delimiter litter 2092 02:16:14,670 --> 02:16:19,650 Dave Jones: 30 3015 through fountain he says. Howdy gringos 2093 02:16:20,010 --> 02:16:23,370 David Adam, please invite your audience to use my chat GPT 2094 02:16:23,370 --> 02:16:28,350 plugin in plugin store just search for podcast search usage 2095 02:16:28,470 --> 02:16:33,390 usage examples. Number one, find podcasts about your revision. 2096 02:16:36,270 --> 02:16:41,670 Number two, get episodes have no agenda. Coming soon show notes, 2097 02:16:41,700 --> 02:16:45,750 transcripts and large language model based data analysis. Yo 2098 02:16:45,810 --> 02:16:46,530 CSB. 2099 02:16:46,590 --> 02:16:49,710 Adam Curry: I like this. Thank you CSB. And I'm going to, I 2100 02:16:49,710 --> 02:16:54,300 have a chat GPT account, I guess I'll try out Pro for a while. 2101 02:16:54,630 --> 02:16:58,710 Which cost money just to try your your plugin, because I 2102 02:16:58,710 --> 02:17:01,680 really appreciate you doing that I need I need to be able to see 2103 02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,030 how it works and what it does. 2104 02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:05,070 Dave Jones: And I need to do that too. Yeah, 2105 02:17:05,129 --> 02:17:08,099 Adam Curry: I'll pay for it. For sure. Yeah, that's cool. And 2106 02:17:08,099 --> 02:17:10,769 what's their model over there? If if I pay and I use your plug 2107 02:17:10,769 --> 02:17:14,699 in? Do you get any money from it? Any do they have a split 2108 02:17:14,699 --> 02:17:15,209 system? 2109 02:17:16,229 --> 02:17:20,159 Dave Jones: Again? My guess is the model is give us 2110 02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:24,450 Adam Curry: your free UK, you pay and we we take all the 2111 02:17:24,450 --> 02:17:24,810 money? 2112 02:17:25,139 --> 02:17:28,559 Dave Jones: Yes, that's a model. That's the model. Just to guess 2113 02:17:28,589 --> 02:17:29,159 it's just a guess. 2114 02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:31,260 Adam Curry: By the way, I wanted to apologize to everybody who 2115 02:17:31,260 --> 02:17:34,080 has liquidity through the podcast index node which is 2116 02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:36,630 where all these all these sites stay on the node we use that for 2117 02:17:36,630 --> 02:17:40,140 liquidity for people's channels. We were down for what was the 2118 02:17:40,140 --> 02:17:44,100 Dave six hours maybe a while it was a while man, we don't know 2119 02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:48,840 exactly what happened. But our voltage node went down or was 2120 02:17:48,840 --> 02:17:53,310 taken down was restarted. Graham caught all the errors or 2121 02:17:53,310 --> 02:17:57,630 something with we were running out of memory. We don't really 2122 02:17:57,630 --> 02:18:00,270 know why this is we get attacked. I'm just gonna 2123 02:18:00,270 --> 02:18:05,310 declared an attack. Okay, so we were DDoS. And but now the great 2124 02:18:05,310 --> 02:18:09,450 thing about our node is it's a big AST node, b a n big AST 2125 02:18:09,450 --> 02:18:15,630 node. Which is great because, you know, we can provide a lot 2126 02:18:15,630 --> 02:18:19,920 of liquidity we have over 100 channels. The downside is that 2127 02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:24,270 when you have one of those restarts bad restart, it has to 2128 02:18:24,270 --> 02:18:27,900 go and rescan everything has to prune stuff is a lot of stuff 2129 02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:31,170 that had to happen. And it basically took six hours I think 2130 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:36,060 before we before we completely got back up. So apologies for 2131 02:18:36,060 --> 02:18:38,640 that. And if you need a reopening of a channel hit me up 2132 02:18:40,620 --> 02:18:42,420 Dave Jones: yet, but I think we're good, right? Everything's 2133 02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:43,350 everything's fine. But 2134 02:18:43,710 --> 02:18:47,610 Adam Curry: yeah, we're in a five by five. Do we have any 2135 02:18:47,610 --> 02:18:48,300 monthlies? 2136 02:18:48,510 --> 02:18:50,520 Dave Jones: We got some monthlies. You got basil Philip, 2137 02:18:50,820 --> 02:18:55,800 good looking guy $25 not far behind the penultimate good 2138 02:18:55,800 --> 02:19:01,830 looking Gob Lauren ball $24.20 Get Christopher Hora Barak $10 2139 02:19:02,220 --> 02:19:07,950 Mitch Downey Hey, Mitch $10. Terry Keller, longtime, longtime 2140 02:19:07,950 --> 02:19:08,310 are the 2141 02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:10,289 Adam Curry: humans description. He's known as the human 2142 02:19:10,289 --> 02:19:12,659 subscription. $4.11 2143 02:19:13,350 --> 02:19:15,300 Dave Jones: Does he subscribe to everything? No, I 2144 02:19:15,300 --> 02:19:20,730 Adam Curry: just is it $4.11? No, this, this was $5 Oh, okay. 2145 02:19:21,570 --> 02:19:24,330 Usually he does some some cool number like that. 2146 02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:28,079 Dave Jones: Jeffrey Rutherford. $5 Thank you Jeffrey, Chris cow 2147 02:19:28,079 --> 02:19:34,769 and $5. Jeremy Kevin not in dollars. Damon Castle, Jack $15 2148 02:19:35,069 --> 02:19:37,799 Derek J Vickery, Derek J. Vickery, the best name in 2149 02:19:37,799 --> 02:19:42,389 podcasting. $21 and Jeremy gerdts $5. Thank you guys. 2150 02:19:42,420 --> 02:19:45,000 Adam Curry: Thank you all so much for supporting podcasting. 2151 02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:48,960 2.0 not just the podcast, but the entire project, which is all 2152 02:19:48,990 --> 02:19:52,950 value for value you put into it, what you get out of it. We 2153 02:19:52,950 --> 02:19:56,850 provide it all to you at no charge and just send it back 2154 02:19:56,850 --> 02:20:00,300 whatever it's worth to you. A lot of people say Hold us 2155 02:20:00,300 --> 02:20:02,640 because they use the infrastructure. Some people just 2156 02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:05,550 want to support podcasting. Whatever it is. It is all 2157 02:20:05,550 --> 02:20:08,100 appreciated. Go to podcast index.org At the bottom you got 2158 02:20:08,100 --> 02:20:11,520 two red buttons. I should probably check. I usually forget 2159 02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:14,190 to do that. So no one's really done anything for the tally coin 2160 02:20:14,190 --> 02:20:17,550 a long while but we'll see. You've got a Fiat fun coupon 2161 02:20:17,550 --> 02:20:22,920 link for PayPal. And right there you can use. Let's see. 10th of 2162 02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:27,720 July. Oh, how about that we got a tally coin checking from J 2163 02:20:27,720 --> 02:20:33,540 moon. Hello, J Moon 22,257 SATs. Thank you very much. So you can 2164 02:20:33,810 --> 02:20:37,440 move you can do it right there on chain or enlightening. But of 2165 02:20:37,440 --> 02:20:40,560 course, we always recommend you go to podcast apps.com Get one 2166 02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:44,130 of those brand new modern podcast apps import all your 2167 02:20:44,130 --> 02:20:47,850 legacy podcast all work from whatever you're using right now. 2168 02:20:48,060 --> 02:20:51,480 Just toss that thing aside and use a modern podcast app so you 2169 02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:55,020 can boost us and participate in the show and thank you all for 2170 02:20:55,020 --> 02:20:56,940 supporting podcasting 2.0 2171 02:20:58,440 --> 02:21:03,480 Dave Jones: While while you were while you were doing that, I got 2172 02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:12,990 a got an email from Sam. saying that we should be good to go on 2173 02:21:12,990 --> 02:21:17,040 to rejoin the waitlist for pod fans. Oh, excellent. cleared out 2174 02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:18,960 the he cleared out the funk egg. 2175 02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:23,640 Adam Curry: Excellent. cleared out the Fung na. Yes. Yeah. 2176 02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:24,180 Good. 2177 02:21:24,540 --> 02:21:26,550 Dave Jones: I put both of our email addresses in there. So you 2178 02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:30,630 should be getting a verification email to join good because 2179 02:21:30,630 --> 02:21:33,150 Adam Curry: I'm stoked. I'm stoked to try this thing out. I 2180 02:21:33,150 --> 02:21:34,650 mean, he's got so much in there. 2181 02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:37,860 Dave Jones: Yeah. And he said that he said that will get us on 2182 02:21:37,860 --> 02:21:41,790 the waiting list, and then he'll approve our emails. Okay. So 2183 02:21:41,790 --> 02:21:42,330 we're good to go. 2184 02:21:42,420 --> 02:21:45,900 Adam Curry: Excellent. Excellent. Ah, man, we went 2185 02:21:45,930 --> 02:21:50,160 overboard today. We went up. We're too too to know. Well, we 2186 02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:52,410 did a row of ducks. Number today. 2187 02:21:53,220 --> 02:21:56,220 Dave Jones: Oh, my cats trying to make my cats upset about this 2188 02:21:56,220 --> 02:22:00,600 to try to get in the podcast. I don't know. I don't know what 2189 02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:01,230 the problem is. 2190 02:22:02,340 --> 02:22:04,650 Adam Curry: All right, brother. The I think we I think we've 2191 02:22:04,650 --> 02:22:08,700 done it for today. All right. When are you on vacation? Yeah, 2192 02:22:08,730 --> 02:22:10,650 that's two more weeks. The 28th. 2193 02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:13,590 Dave Jones: Yeah, we're leaving the 24th and coming back on the 2194 02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:16,110 31st. Okay, and be out the 28th. 2195 02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:18,450 Adam Curry: Yeah. And I got in August somewhere. We're going to 2196 02:22:18,450 --> 02:22:21,270 be in Europe, but we'll we'll work on that later. 2197 02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,800 Dave Jones: We're going to California. Why? We're going to 2198 02:22:25,890 --> 02:22:26,670 Yosemite. 2199 02:22:26,970 --> 02:22:28,920 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, that's not California. Great. 2200 02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:29,070 We're 2201 02:22:29,070 --> 02:22:30,210 Dave Jones: gonna get to California. 2202 02:22:30,990 --> 02:22:33,150 Adam Curry: You know, we used to we used to have camp curry in 2203 02:22:33,150 --> 02:22:38,550 Yosemite, I think. Did they change the name? Camp camp camp 2204 02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:40,950 Curry was used to belong to my kin. 2205 02:22:42,270 --> 02:22:43,800 Dave Jones: Oh, really? Yeah. Let me see. Interesting. 2206 02:22:43,800 --> 02:22:47,130 Adam Curry: Let me see if it's, and then it was sold. And then 2207 02:22:47,220 --> 02:22:51,720 now they call it Curry Village. Yeah, correct. Village, Curry 2208 02:22:51,720 --> 02:22:54,600 Dave Jones: Village. We're actually not It's not we're not 2209 02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:56,880 going to it's not Yosemite. Exactly. We're going to his 2210 02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:59,310 below that. We're going to Sequoia National Forest. 2211 02:22:59,310 --> 02:23:01,500 Adam Curry: It's okay. Because, you know, I would have blocked 2212 02:23:01,500 --> 02:23:07,890 you from Curry Village. Let him in. Keep that guy out. Now, 2213 02:23:08,370 --> 02:23:11,130 there's a whole bunch of folklore about about it was camp 2214 02:23:11,130 --> 02:23:14,130 curry nuggets. Now it's Curry Village. And one of my 2215 02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:17,760 favorites, my great, great uncle. He will go up on on top 2216 02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:21,480 of one of the mountaintops there. And they build a big 2217 02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:25,830 bonfire at the end of the day, and then they'll all be up there 2218 02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:29,850 and then he would yell let the fire footway, he would yell, let 2219 02:23:29,850 --> 02:23:34,350 the fire fall. And they'd kick all of the fire off of that and 2220 02:23:34,350 --> 02:23:38,730 would all fall down like a big waterfall of fire. That sounds 2221 02:23:38,730 --> 02:23:41,790 impressive. Camp curry. Camp curry. Now Curry Village, 2222 02:23:41,790 --> 02:23:43,110 Yosemite National Park. 2223 02:23:43,470 --> 02:23:47,130 Dave Jones: It says is it says Curry Village views beyond 2224 02:23:47,130 --> 02:23:47,850 belief. 2225 02:23:48,750 --> 02:23:49,680 Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, 2226 02:23:49,890 --> 02:23:50,730 Dave Jones: I believe it 2227 02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:55,410 Adam Curry: has dribs God's saying hey, there's some boosts. 2228 02:23:56,190 --> 02:23:59,610 Yes, thank you very much. Our Davis 87 long row of ducks. 2229 02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:05,100 22,222 Steven B 3333. timer reset issue is fixed in the 2230 02:24:05,100 --> 02:24:06,420 split kit. Here's $1. 2231 02:24:10,440 --> 02:24:12,750 Dave Jones: Why didn't Why did you say the dollar dreads? 2232 02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:15,720 Adam Curry: No. Well, I don't know Steve. He just boosting. 2233 02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:20,430 And by the way, he says 3333 SATs is exactly $1 today Yes, it 2234 02:24:20,430 --> 02:24:24,720 is more or less that? I guess. Yes. And our Davis 87. One on 2235 02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:27,690 One on one correction typo from previous origin of knowledge of 2236 02:24:27,690 --> 02:24:30,960 podcasting. Okay, we're all good. Everybody's good. Dubs. 2237 02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:34,560 Thanks for the outliner link. We all appreciate you very much. 2238 02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:37,470 Thanks for being with us. Chat Room. Have a great weekend. 2239 02:24:37,500 --> 02:24:40,350 Dave. My brother have yourself a good weekend. You too, man. 2240 02:24:40,470 --> 02:24:44,190 Okay, we will be back next week for another board meeting of 2241 02:24:44,190 --> 02:24:48,030 podcasting. 2.0 bring you refreshments we'll be expecting 2242 02:24:48,030 --> 02:24:49,410 you see that Adios. 2243 02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:10,080 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 2244 02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:12,750 index.com For more information 2245 02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:16,350 Adam Curry: boosting is loving