Episode 79: Users and Developers Partying Together

1 00:00:00,690 --> 00:00:05,640 podcasting 2.0 for March 25 2022, episode 79 users and 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:12,030 developers partying together Hello, everybody. Welcome to the 3 00:00:12,060 --> 00:00:15,300 official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything 4 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:19,230 happening in podcast index.org, the podcast namespace, and of 5 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:22,800 course, podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,340 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man 7 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:29,490 who can redirect anything to the correct destination, my friend 8 00:00:29,490 --> 00:00:32,580 on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 9 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:37,260 Barely got that title in. I mean, you had to work at it. Get 10 00:00:37,260 --> 00:00:38,130 it in under the head. 11 00:00:38,370 --> 00:00:41,430 But I did it. I did it. I hit the postman. Your break? 12 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:44,550 He squeezed it right. No, you're a pro. You squeezed it right in 13 00:00:44,550 --> 00:00:46,470 there. Like she shot the gap. 14 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:47,910 Just a shot. But yeah. 15 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:53,190 I mean, you're, you're an old D, you know, experienced DJ, so you 16 00:00:53,190 --> 00:00:54,180 know how to shoot the gap 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,270 was called hitting the post shooting the gap is a term I've, 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,670 although I will use it from now on 19 00:01:00,570 --> 00:01:01,380 gap juice. 20 00:01:03,930 --> 00:01:10,650 Good gap juice. Yes, indeed. And we are live. Right now. You're 21 00:01:10,650 --> 00:01:16,350 using a 2.0 app that understands the brand new lived. What do we 22 00:01:16,350 --> 00:01:16,980 call this? 23 00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:21,330 The live item tag? Yeah, but that's not 24 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:24,270 a very sexy marketing term. I'm thinking you know, something 25 00:01:24,270 --> 00:01:31,740 that people were grabbed onto like, podcast live or? What? 26 00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:37,500 Huh? We need to come up with something. It needs to be called 27 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:41,580 something. Not not the live pod. LIVE TAG 28 00:01:41,610 --> 00:01:45,450 live item. The live. Open angle bracket. 29 00:01:45,479 --> 00:01:49,439 Well, hold on a second. You know what live item tag is a great 30 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:50,099 acronym. 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,950 For what lit? 32 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:59,070 Show? It's podcast with baby. It's live items. I'm writing 33 00:01:59,070 --> 00:01:59,640 that one down. 34 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:00,990 I got to work on that genius. 35 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:06,750 item tag. Live. Yeah, you're lit. Baby. You're lit. 36 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:10,500 In when you when somebody implements the live item that no 37 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:11,370 show is lit. 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Yes, exactly. And you know, live is the whole thing. I think it 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,140 works. I think it works. 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,330 And I'm where I'm with you. And what two things I've discovered 41 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:21,810 this week. 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,030 Okay. It was pretty slow week, actually. 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,380 Yes. I discovered two things that are very important. Number 44 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:39,450 one. Comments make people angry. systems make people angry. And 45 00:02:39,630 --> 00:02:43,920 cryptocurrency makes people angry. Yes. So when you marry 46 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,950 the two together, it's it's a beautiful development. 47 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:51,150 It is. Well, I don't think angry is the right term. 48 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:56,220 I wish it was a little bit I was triggered. You Oh, you are true. 49 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:56,640 Yeah, 50 00:02:56,670 --> 00:03:00,030 I was triggered. I personally was like a hairpin on a 50 Cal 51 00:03:00,030 --> 00:03:01,200 baby, I was triggered. 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Due to you talking gun told now that you're in Texas, 53 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:12,240 too. You know, I've learned a lot through therapy. This is 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,030 what three marriages will do. You know, it's like you go to 55 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:17,340 therapy, and you learn a lot of stuff. And you've learned mainly 56 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:20,370 about yourself. And what I've learned is that it's much more 57 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:23,670 useful to find out why I'm responding to something the way 58 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:27,120 I am then issue itself. Because then from there, everything kind 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:32,340 of flows. Makes sense? Yeah, yeah. And so do you mind if I, 60 00:03:32,910 --> 00:03:36,510 if I go down the path of of my process? 61 00:03:36,839 --> 00:03:39,419 No, please. Do you have the floor? Yes. 62 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:43,080 Maybe we should explain what this is about before I before I 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,820 jump into it. Could you give us the timeline? From your 64 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:50,040 viewpoint? Because mine I'm sure is slanted. 65 00:03:50,820 --> 00:03:55,980 And we're talking here about the come about the commenting. Draw 66 00:03:55,980 --> 00:04:00,960 drama that unfolded? It will I'll let me say it this way. 67 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:08,370 First, let me preface it with this. I will say in past open 68 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:13,500 source projects that I've been involved in. And I've been 69 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:20,910 involved in a few. The typical way this goes down is somebody 70 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:24,330 has a disagreement with the way things should be implemented or 71 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:31,320 designed. Another person responds to that to that 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:38,010 disagreement. The vehemently with their own an alternate take 73 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:44,880 a flame war ensues. And then everybody gets pissed off and 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,870 leaves and forks the project. That's typically that is 75 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:51,210 typically the experience that happens and you can look at 76 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:56,160 every open source project. And know maybe not everyone but lots 77 00:04:56,190 --> 00:05:02,550 and lots of them. Next things like next Cloud, at some point, 78 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:08,370 people always get pissed off and want to fork and leave. In fact, 79 00:05:08,370 --> 00:05:09,150 you act, 80 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,910 I was just gonna say you and I have both been involved with my 81 00:05:11,910 --> 00:05:16,110 dog is just barking for a second have both been involved in in 82 00:05:16,110 --> 00:05:19,440 projects where the person running the project literally 83 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,200 would shut down the server and then you know, close the mail 84 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,580 list not talking anybody far away go here for a week without 85 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:29,640 any notice. Just like what what happened, it just all sudden, 86 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,540 the server's gone. 87 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:35,940 This, the fact that this project has not even come close to that 88 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:40,710 shows me the health of things overall. So these things do not 89 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:46,170 bother me. Because robust public debate and disagreement. There's 90 00:05:46,170 --> 00:05:51,150 nothing wrong with that whatsoever. You know, if it 91 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:54,480 does, those are necessary. And it's necessary sometimes for 92 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,950 people to get angry. And because when when people get angry about 93 00:05:58,950 --> 00:06:05,310 stuff, typically what that means to me is that you need to stop 94 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:09,480 what you're doing and listen. Yeah, it doesn't mean you're 95 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,750 wrong. It doesn't that that's that has to be clear, it does 96 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:15,750 not mean that what just because that the angriest person is 97 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:19,590 right. It just means that when so when what you're saying is 98 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:24,270 pissing somebody off that bad, it's a good sign that you 99 00:06:24,270 --> 00:06:27,000 probably need to chill out for a minute, and listen to what 100 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,560 they're saying and come back with a different approach. And 101 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,530 ultimately, if you can't find agreement, that's fine. You 102 00:06:34,530 --> 00:06:37,980 just, you know, you just disagree. In in the world moves 103 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:43,770 on. But it this is all regarding calm cross app comments. And 104 00:06:43,770 --> 00:06:49,860 specifically lightning comments. And how lightning comments get 105 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:53,910 implemented with relation to booster grams. Are they the same 106 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:59,340 thing? Can you mix and match the two? It's sort of created this 107 00:06:59,340 --> 00:07:04,020 firestorm of where's the source of truth? Who's you know, do 108 00:07:04,020 --> 00:07:07,770 people expect things to be public? And that's kind of where 109 00:07:07,770 --> 00:07:10,020 this sort of shit show happened? 110 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,130 I think you're you kind of nailed that. And it was, to me 111 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:17,160 it was I was triggered because it came as a surprise. I didn't 112 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,660 really understand what was happening. But let me just go 113 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:25,410 through what because there's a lot more to this than just 114 00:07:25,410 --> 00:07:30,480 comments. So podcasting is my life's work. So I'm gonna say 115 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:34,230 I'm admittedly emotional about it. And in value for value is 116 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:37,590 also something that's very near and dear to my heart, having 117 00:07:37,650 --> 00:07:44,760 developed it with with Dvorak. So what I see are, the issue is 118 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,060 really bigger. It's about process. It's about the 119 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:54,210 podcasting. 2.0 movement. It's how things work. Do we follow 120 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:00,000 any guidelines? Do we work together? You know, we we 121 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,800 actually used a lot from podcasting. 1.0 When we started 122 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:10,950 this project, Dave rules for standards makers was one which, 123 00:08:11,220 --> 00:08:15,390 which Dave Winer developed. And there was another one, another 124 00:08:15,390 --> 00:08:20,010 mantra of podcasting. 1.0 and, and just kind of came back to 125 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:23,010 me, as I'm trying to figure out, you know, why am I so? Why do I 126 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:27,900 have such a visceral response, or what you might call grumpy is 127 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:32,220 the mantra at the time was users and developers partying 128 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:37,680 together. And by that we meant all users, so listeners and 129 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:41,370 podcasters but really, at the time, it was just podcasters 130 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:44,520 podcasters were making we were listening to each other's 131 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,370 podcasts. And it's very analogous to what's happening 132 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:51,390 now with with podcasting, 2.0, certainly with with booster 133 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:54,960 grams, etc. So it was a little circular, and it just kind of 134 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,720 grew and grew and grew from there. But the users and 135 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,730 developers partying together part was key, particularly the 136 00:09:02,730 --> 00:09:06,600 podcasters and the developers. That's why I think it works. So 137 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,900 well. Remember, when I when I went to Dave Winer as a content 138 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:14,010 creator as a podcaster, who had you know, who could, you know, 139 00:09:14,010 --> 00:09:20,820 write, print, you know, and I had to convince him It took me 140 00:09:20,820 --> 00:09:25,140 two days to convince him to create this because I knew how 141 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:26,580 it could be used. And you 142 00:09:26,580 --> 00:09:30,210 have to understand what what it may what it looks like to try to 143 00:09:30,210 --> 00:09:32,910 convince Dave Weiner or something. It's a it's a 144 00:09:32,910 --> 00:09:38,100 perilous endeavor is not not for the faint of heart knows he is 145 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,800 going to let you know exactly what he thinks about your shitty 146 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,160 idea. 147 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:45,989 I flew to New York to convince him I mean, I did it wasn't just 148 00:09:46,169 --> 00:09:49,589 flew to New York and I went back the next day and and then you 149 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:53,999 know, when I showed him what I meant, in in his ratio, user 150 00:09:53,999 --> 00:09:58,739 land frontier code, it was it was a mess. And you know, so it 151 00:09:58,739 --> 00:10:04,349 took some work, but And we clearly never were friends. And 152 00:10:04,349 --> 00:10:08,459 we've had all kinds of issues. But the partying together part 153 00:10:08,489 --> 00:10:12,479 we got right. And so I think that was the key to our early 154 00:10:12,479 --> 00:10:17,609 success. And if you think about it in the in the lit of history 155 00:10:17,609 --> 00:10:22,079 here, the podcasters are a valuable part of the equation. 156 00:10:22,259 --> 00:10:25,559 And we don't have a lot of that really in our development 157 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,989 process. And as you said, Dave, we all have to listen. So let's 158 00:10:30,989 --> 00:10:33,269 just go through some history, the early days, when we were 159 00:10:33,269 --> 00:10:38,069 bootstrapping, it wasn't just RSS, RSS had been around for a 160 00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:42,359 long time. There were no apps to speak of what bootstrapped 161 00:10:42,389 --> 00:10:46,199 podcasting was the daily source code, and more. But the daily 162 00:10:46,199 --> 00:10:50,819 source code, while I was creating and using the features, 163 00:10:50,849 --> 00:10:55,769 at the same time to content was bootstrapping this process. And 164 00:10:55,769 --> 00:10:59,159 it was very close circle, because the developers who were 165 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:03,149 working on iPod or X and iPod or lemon and all these different 166 00:11:03,149 --> 00:11:06,209 apps, which, you know, of course, were applications at the 167 00:11:06,209 --> 00:11:10,979 time. They were a part of the programming is what they were 168 00:11:10,979 --> 00:11:14,819 doing was in the show. Here, this is why we're doing this 169 00:11:14,819 --> 00:11:17,939 show. So I'll fast forward a whole bunch. 170 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:21,780 But is the daily source code of podcasting? 2.0 that's yes, 171 00:11:21,809 --> 00:11:25,589 that's that's in view. And I just, we launched the show as 172 00:11:25,589 --> 00:11:29,909 such, the whole idea was to replicate the successful 173 00:11:29,909 --> 00:11:34,859 formula. So then I'll fast forward. I meet with jobs, and 174 00:11:34,859 --> 00:11:40,769 we're gonna, and he's gonna put podcasting into iTunes. Now, 175 00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:42,869 there are two things that I didn't contemplate there was, 176 00:11:42,959 --> 00:11:46,049 I've only talked about one. But now I realized the other part 177 00:11:46,049 --> 00:11:56,519 here. We made Apple a de facto gateway to podcasting that we I 178 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:00,329 did. So that wasn't too brilliant, in hindsight, but 179 00:12:00,329 --> 00:12:05,309 also Apple did something very interesting right away. They 180 00:12:05,549 --> 00:12:09,239 created a one click subscription, which was not a 181 00:12:09,239 --> 00:12:13,319 speck. It was just it was their thing was a feature. And that 182 00:12:13,319 --> 00:12:18,989 really made Apple the default for users as well. But it wasn't 183 00:12:18,989 --> 00:12:22,469 really something everybody could do, because you couldn't, it was 184 00:12:22,469 --> 00:12:25,469 unfair advantage because you couldn't put an overcast what 185 00:12:25,469 --> 00:12:28,919 you can today, 20 years later, you couldn't put an overcast 186 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:32,429 Chiclet on there and have one click subscribe and overcast. It 187 00:12:32,429 --> 00:12:36,179 was always going to go to the Apple podcast app. But what 188 00:12:36,179 --> 00:12:41,219 really drove podcasting, which was a disappointment for the Oh, 189 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:46,439 geez, at the time, was Apple put the BBC and NPR and all this, 190 00:12:46,589 --> 00:12:49,739 this really this great wealth of content right there on the 191 00:12:49,739 --> 00:12:52,949 homepage, because Steve Jobs knew that he needed to sell this 192 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:57,119 to his customers. And if it was just Dawn and Drew, who I adore, 193 00:12:57,119 --> 00:13:00,539 and maj Weinstein and the daily source code where I'm cussing 194 00:13:00,539 --> 00:13:05,279 away, it would it would detract it would not be for his core 195 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:11,459 customer necessarily. And having this the content that is 196 00:13:11,459 --> 00:13:16,679 highbrow drove that to an extreme again, the content drove 197 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,189 it yes, they had the the technology to play with but the 198 00:13:20,189 --> 00:13:26,309 content drove that. Then we had YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and 199 00:13:26,309 --> 00:13:28,859 podcasting was just kind of you know, was little quiet, little 200 00:13:28,859 --> 00:13:32,729 stagnant, no features, nothing happens. What brought podcasting 201 00:13:32,729 --> 00:13:37,139 back? Was it a new app? Was it a new feature? No, it was Serial 202 00:13:38,009 --> 00:13:43,139 podcast, and specifically podcasters are valuable. Joe 203 00:13:43,139 --> 00:13:47,339 Rogan, was worth hundreds of millions of dollars to Spotify 204 00:13:47,369 --> 00:13:52,289 to promote their app. Now, why are apple and Spotify the top 205 00:13:52,289 --> 00:13:56,639 apps, because podcasters are always telling people the same 206 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,359 mantra. Subscribe to us on Apple and Spotify or wherever you get 207 00:14:00,359 --> 00:14:06,989 your podcasts. That's the part we need to change. That's why we 208 00:14:06,989 --> 00:14:11,099 came up with new podcast apps.com. So we can have a 209 00:14:11,099 --> 00:14:14,339 universal place where we can send people and say this is 210 00:14:14,339 --> 00:14:19,619 podcasting. 2.0. Now, if Glenn Beck or Megyn, Kelly just said 211 00:14:19,619 --> 00:14:23,429 use cast ematic you think people would be I think they would 212 00:14:23,459 --> 00:14:26,099 think that I think they'd go and try that app out immediately. 213 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:30,509 But we've chosen as a group to promote the entire movement. And 214 00:14:30,509 --> 00:14:34,529 the proof is in the pudding. If and if you haven't noticed, 215 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:37,859 there's a large number of users and that's listeners and 216 00:14:37,859 --> 00:14:42,659 podcasters and people who are both who have sir or Dame in 217 00:14:42,659 --> 00:14:45,479 their name. Where did they come from? Are these just a bunch of 218 00:14:45,479 --> 00:14:49,199 royalty that showed up? No. I told these people who listen to 219 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:54,089 my podcast to come check out podcasting 2.0 And I've only 220 00:14:54,119 --> 00:14:57,329 promoted the entire concept never one app or service over 221 00:14:57,329 --> 00:15:00,989 another and that's why new podcasts out dot com is so 222 00:15:00,989 --> 00:15:05,039 fantastic to send people to every you know, no matter what 223 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:08,999 features any of the apps or services support, I know they 224 00:15:08,999 --> 00:15:10,559 will function the same. 225 00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:15,269 But if they're different than what? And what if I went on 226 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:18,449 Rogan and didn't promote new podcast apps calm or just said, 227 00:15:18,449 --> 00:15:23,339 Hey, breeze, that's podcasting 2.0 or pod verse, would that 228 00:15:23,339 --> 00:15:27,509 help podcasting 2.0 Maybe it to a degree, but it will certainly 229 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:31,289 help those apps. So we make choices I choose to promote and 230 00:15:31,289 --> 00:15:34,919 work in the entire movement, the movement is in sync in 231 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:39,299 accordance with the namespace. So now we get to the value block 232 00:15:39,299 --> 00:15:43,829 the value tag, it's called value for a reason. Value for value is 233 00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:49,199 a brand that was built up over a 15 year period on the no agenda 234 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:54,599 show. It's a monetization model. And it's a content format. At 235 00:15:54,599 --> 00:15:58,829 one, it's like a floor wax in a desert topic. And it has this 236 00:15:58,829 --> 00:16:03,119 feedback loop, you ask, which is the most difficult part for most 237 00:16:03,119 --> 00:16:07,559 people, you ask people to support you, the payments with 238 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,339 messages come in and are read on the show. It's it's content is 239 00:16:11,339 --> 00:16:15,809 an important part of the of the entire format. It's also 240 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:19,919 inspirational and, and people gamify that in many ways, and 241 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,409 then you remind people and you rinse and repeat and you do it 242 00:16:22,409 --> 00:16:24,749 over again. Now I'm not independently wealthy, I rely on 243 00:16:24,749 --> 00:16:27,389 my podcast as my sole source of income. So I'm going to be 244 00:16:27,389 --> 00:16:30,899 passionate about this stuff. And I think podcasters matter and I 245 00:16:30,899 --> 00:16:35,159 feel a little neglected. And when we continue with the value 246 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:39,599 for value part, payments and messages, payments and messages 247 00:16:39,629 --> 00:16:43,649 or content specific to the show, producers or listeners take 248 00:16:43,649 --> 00:16:47,729 ownership of that content of that segment. It's valuable to 249 00:16:47,729 --> 00:16:50,549 them since it's going to be on the show. And they are private 250 00:16:50,549 --> 00:16:53,789 between the sender, the payer and the recipient, making 251 00:16:53,789 --> 00:16:56,219 payment and messaging information public without the 252 00:16:56,219 --> 00:16:59,489 podcasters consent to me is like publishing an email that you 253 00:16:59,489 --> 00:17:04,499 were cc.so. These payments and messages are not intended to be 254 00:17:04,499 --> 00:17:07,949 used as a standalone feature for an app, which is how it felt to 255 00:17:07,949 --> 00:17:11,819 me. So now we get to users and developers partying together. 256 00:17:12,689 --> 00:17:17,969 Here's what I'm doing. Because I feel like I am an important part 257 00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:20,579 of the development process. Even though I don't write a lick of 258 00:17:20,579 --> 00:17:24,449 code. I support all the tags that I possibly can Thank you, 259 00:17:24,449 --> 00:17:29,159 Steven, be in South sovereign feed calm. I share my income 260 00:17:29,159 --> 00:17:32,039 with people like Dred Scott, who keep the features exciting and 261 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:36,299 consistent and do the chapters so we have something to show, I 262 00:17:36,329 --> 00:17:39,599 publish the live schedule tag, even though no app supports it. 263 00:17:40,289 --> 00:17:43,679 No app supports the scheduled time, but I'm still doing it 264 00:17:43,679 --> 00:17:46,859 because I know someone's gonna want to put that in. And then 265 00:17:46,889 --> 00:17:50,999 we'll have something to test against it. For months, I've 266 00:17:50,999 --> 00:17:53,759 been supporting the social interact tag for cross app 267 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:56,189 comments, I've been promoting this to my listener group 268 00:17:56,189 --> 00:17:59,609 teasing it. And all of a sudden there was a party I wasn't 269 00:17:59,609 --> 00:18:04,079 invited to comments appeared that were not, you know, cross 270 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,999 app comments. But they were being promoted as comments 271 00:18:10,139 --> 00:18:12,749 didn't work with with my comments that I've been 272 00:18:12,899 --> 00:18:18,479 publishing for months, I had lost control. So my content 273 00:18:18,479 --> 00:18:23,039 booster grams from my people were public, my payment and 274 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:26,849 messaging system. Now I have to sort everything because there's 275 00:18:26,849 --> 00:18:30,329 comments and all kinds of stuff in heli pad that was unexpected. 276 00:18:34,049 --> 00:18:36,839 It's almost like imagine if an app started publishing our Pay 277 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:46,739 Pal messages. So Brent, for me, we need to realize where success 278 00:18:46,739 --> 00:18:53,969 can come from. If we can get podcasters to say, get a modern 279 00:18:53,969 --> 00:18:57,989 app, whatever, whatever we come up with, if we can send them to 280 00:18:57,989 --> 00:19:02,819 new podcast apps calm, we can all win. If everybody has the 281 00:19:02,819 --> 00:19:07,379 same features than we then we really compete for the same core 282 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:12,719 workings, I should say, any any other features you have is what 283 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:15,869 you're ultimately going to win people over with. But if we have 284 00:19:16,139 --> 00:19:19,649 all these different commenting systems, and you know, we have a 285 00:19:20,069 --> 00:19:23,909 pod friend has its own little thing going on. And so, you 286 00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:28,739 know, it's like, why promote a group if the group is not the 287 00:19:28,739 --> 00:19:32,519 same? So let's work together because when you can get 288 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:36,989 podcasters to promote podcasting 2.0 specifically through new 289 00:19:36,989 --> 00:19:43,169 podcast apps.com Everybody can win. Otherwise, it's just going 290 00:19:43,169 --> 00:19:46,949 to be people promoting certain apps. And I would think that 291 00:19:46,949 --> 00:19:48,569 would that's a big shame. 292 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:54,240 And And finally, the thing that's really unfortunate is the 293 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,640 value for value brand. is now confused. We've get we were 294 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,830 starting Give it up. Booster grams is a great brand. That's 295 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:09,840 now. That's now lightning comments. What the fuck? Don't 296 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,620 give that to the Lightning Network, podcasting 2.0 That's 297 00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:19,260 our shit. So don't just give stuff up that easily. There we 298 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:19,410 go. 299 00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:25,650 That I think, you know, this goes back to a thing that we 300 00:20:25,650 --> 00:20:29,130 that I have had to learn. And I was mentioning this to somebody 301 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:37,290 this week is that I've had to learn this at this sort of idea 302 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,340 over and over again, is we're in working with you over the last 303 00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:47,190 10 plus years. How many times would I go to you and say, Hey, 304 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:51,180 this is a killer feature. And I would put it into the freedom 305 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:55,380 controller, and then find out, you know, and you're like, oh, 306 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:58,380 cool, I'll check it out. And then I'll find out six months 307 00:20:58,380 --> 00:21:02,700 later that you had never touched it. And then and I start asking 308 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,180 you why. And you say, well, it just doesn't, it just doesn't 309 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:11,250 fit. It doesn't fit what I do in So explain to me what you do. 310 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:18,330 And I would realize through your explanation, that that's that 311 00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:22,950 what I thought a podcaster wanted, or what I thought a 312 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:27,900 podcast prep looked like, was actually nothing like what it 313 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:33,180 looked like, because I wasn't a podcaster. Right. And so when 314 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:39,960 you make when you create features in it sounds like we're 315 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,630 just crapping all over. Oscar but not not 316 00:21:42,629 --> 00:21:45,809 No, no, not at all. Not at all. No, this is, hey, we're running 317 00:21:45,809 --> 00:21:49,349 with scissors. But you know, when you when you fall down and 318 00:21:49,349 --> 00:21:52,349 you got to cut in your arm, we got to stop and talk about it. 319 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,520 Let's stop and talking hug. But the 320 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,940 best. I had a friend actually, I got to tell you the story in 321 00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:02,970 Holland when I was growing up, and he and his brother would 322 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,890 always fight. And one time the one brother was chasing the 323 00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:11,280 other one with a pair of scissors. And his mom said, hey, 324 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:14,190 you know, don't do that. You're going to put an eye out. And 325 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:18,420 then he put his eye out by accident. The Christmas story 326 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,710 actually happened. 327 00:22:21,569 --> 00:22:23,489 He got it at the red Ryder BB gun. 328 00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:29,340 And he had a Gouki i the rest of his life. Okay, I'm sorry. 329 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:31,950 Sorry, this was a little comedic interlude. 330 00:22:33,690 --> 00:22:41,340 But anyway, yeah, it's not it's, it's that issue is always going 331 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:47,760 to be the case. When when you're writing code, and you you're 332 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,600 envisioning something that you're not, that you're that is 333 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,820 not part of your, your normal course of events like you don't 334 00:22:56,820 --> 00:23:01,650 have, like Nat now I can write the freedom controller editor 335 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,120 page 10 times better since I'm podcasting every week. At the 336 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,490 moment, I just couldn't do it. I just didn't have the knowledge 337 00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:12,540 base to work off of. And the thing the thing that was 338 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:19,920 confusing to me with with caught with the lightning comments, is 339 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:27,480 that what I thought it was was a was purely comments. And then 340 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,110 maybe that was just me Miss reading the spec. But then when 341 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:35,490 the VAT when the when it came through, and it's like, okay, 342 00:23:35,490 --> 00:23:38,940 just add an extra thing in your value block. And again, this 343 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:42,330 could have been just me missing the obvious, put an extra split 344 00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:44,820 in your value block. And then we'll show all the booster grams 345 00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:49,710 as comments. That part didn't come across to me when I read 346 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:56,940 the spec. And like it was very disorienting to have all of a 347 00:23:56,940 --> 00:24:02,190 sudden, you have your you what what has been built up and what 348 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:05,880 has come to be like a common language between everybody that 349 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,360 booster Grahams are a thing that is content on a show. And it's 350 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,490 private between a podcast or like a Patreon or PayPal. That 351 00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:19,290 thing when all of a sudden that changes. It's a big deal. Yeah. 352 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:23,400 And it's a big deal, not for just the podcaster. But for the 353 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,610 listener as well, because I heard from I was talking to 354 00:24:26,610 --> 00:24:33,690 somebody this week, and it just off the cuff. He said to me that 355 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:38,040 he was not expecting his boost to show up in the comments 356 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,030 because he commented from fountain and right. It was it 357 00:24:42,030 --> 00:24:45,990 was just a disorienting experience that thing. I think 358 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:52,470 in retrospect it was unfortunate that it happened with him at the 359 00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:56,640 time it did, because comments are already from the very 360 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,730 beginning. We knew they were going to be the most difficult 361 00:24:59,730 --> 00:25:05,310 task It brings in every single problem. It brings in Source of 362 00:25:05,310 --> 00:25:09,690 Truth issues. It brings in moderation issues and politics. 363 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,530 You know, it brings in 10 different messaging systems in 364 00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:16,560 which one to use decentralization. I mean, like, 365 00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:21,570 every complicated thing you can possibly think of is all wrapped 366 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:23,130 up in this one tag, and 367 00:25:23,129 --> 00:25:27,569 then we threw on top of it booster grams. Yes. And just to 368 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:30,389 make it easy. Yeah, yeah, that was an overload. 369 00:25:30,929 --> 00:25:33,329 Yeah, it was just too. It was just too much. It was too 370 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,639 unfortunately, I think it there's already been 371 00:25:35,639 --> 00:25:40,709 trepidation. And, and sort of underlying unease within the 372 00:25:40,709 --> 00:25:45,089 project about cross app comments. And then you throw in 373 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,169 the I think the lightning proposal just threw some gas on 374 00:25:49,169 --> 00:25:52,259 that fire that was already there. Just just just, it was 375 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:56,159 bad timing it really well, if we had, if this had come up four 376 00:25:56,159 --> 00:26:00,089 months ago, it wouldn't have been such a big thing, we would 377 00:26:00,089 --> 00:26:05,309 have talked it out. And it would have not been so closely tied to 378 00:26:05,639 --> 00:26:11,159 all of the other stuff like with well, is, what about, what about 379 00:26:11,159 --> 00:26:14,339 Twitter? Is this stuff going too slow? What do we you know, all 380 00:26:14,339 --> 00:26:18,389 of these other issues that how, if you know, should it be 381 00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:20,969 moderated? Should it be decentralized? I don't want 382 00:26:20,969 --> 00:26:25,349 comments on my way, on my post, or excuse me, on my episode, if 383 00:26:25,349 --> 00:26:29,189 I don't want to, I should be in control, like, this big 384 00:26:29,189 --> 00:26:32,249 discussion was already happening in enlightening comments came in 385 00:26:32,249 --> 00:26:35,669 and it was like, Oh, crap, right. It's off the rails. 386 00:26:35,879 --> 00:26:41,339 Now. Not to say that I'm very excited about the having the 387 00:26:41,339 --> 00:26:46,589 capability to surface booster grams. It's nothing wrong with 388 00:26:46,589 --> 00:26:52,769 that. But a it has to be my call from my feed the source of truth 389 00:26:52,769 --> 00:27:01,499 for my show. And I mean, you we just have to have some agreement 390 00:27:01,529 --> 00:27:07,379 about what apps are doing, or anyone who's taking a split from 391 00:27:07,379 --> 00:27:12,239 the value block. Well, I guess that's not entirely true in this 392 00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:17,789 case, in this case, what if your recipient on a on a message that 393 00:27:17,789 --> 00:27:20,999 doesn't give you which has multiple recipients? It just 394 00:27:20,999 --> 00:27:24,689 doesn't necessarily give anyone the right to publish that 395 00:27:24,719 --> 00:27:27,959 publicly? That's just rude. I mean, I know that wasn't the 396 00:27:27,959 --> 00:27:33,119 intent. Right. But that, but that's truly how it works. I 397 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,659 mean, this is money. That's, that's going back and forth. And 398 00:27:36,659 --> 00:27:39,929 yeah, and I could get into all the other aspects of how I think 399 00:27:39,929 --> 00:27:42,749 it cheapens the whole pot, the prospect. I mean, I understand 400 00:27:42,749 --> 00:27:46,649 right now, there's a lot of excitement about lightning and 401 00:27:46,679 --> 00:27:50,549 tipping, which, as you know, is not value for value. And by the 402 00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:53,789 way, I've discovered and I think I posted a tipping is racist. 403 00:27:54,689 --> 00:27:58,769 Did you know it's it has racist origins? Yes, I put it in the 404 00:27:58,769 --> 00:28:03,269 show notes. Yep. Tipping is racist. Yes, it is. It kept 405 00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:08,729 wages low for formerly enslaved black workers. I believe we have 406 00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:10,409 stacker news, and 407 00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:13,410 it's super cool that y'all it's about stacker news, it's super 408 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:13,740 cool 409 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:17,820 that you can, you know, load up 1000 SATs and you can tap the 410 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:21,120 lightning bolt and give somebody a set. And that's tipping. 411 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:23,970 That's it's really just a voting system. It's just a voting 412 00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:27,060 system with money. Whoever has the most numbers, you know, it's 413 00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:30,000 like, Oh, that's great. But it's not value for value. And there 414 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,200 was even a whole thread there were value for value was now 415 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,650 getting confused with the lightning comments. I mean, this 416 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:42,960 that just drove me over the edge. 417 00:28:43,859 --> 00:28:49,199 Well, the so this stacker news post, I've got some thoughts 418 00:28:49,199 --> 00:28:56,219 about that. Because the the underlying sort of tenor of that 419 00:28:56,219 --> 00:29:04,259 thread was Why would I give my why would I give my bitcoin to a 420 00:29:04,259 --> 00:29:10,109 podcast now on a larger time scale? Like that, that five 421 00:29:10,109 --> 00:29:14,099 bucks or whatever, that you're boosting represents, like, maybe 422 00:29:14,099 --> 00:29:17,279 5000 bucks in the future of appreciated value or whatever. 423 00:29:17,729 --> 00:29:22,229 And so like that, that was what that was kind of this underlying 424 00:29:22,229 --> 00:29:26,909 idea. That's not an idea, but it was about lightning comments. So 425 00:29:26,909 --> 00:29:30,599 there's the confusion between value for value in lightning 426 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:31,529 comments in the 427 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:34,260 headlines. The headline was value for value though that was 428 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:34,830 the problem. 429 00:29:35,339 --> 00:29:43,889 Right? Yeah. See? So then, you know, there's this but on that 430 00:29:43,889 --> 00:29:46,829 topic, I don't want to switch away from topics unless you're 431 00:29:46,859 --> 00:29:48,179 unless you're done with I'm good. 432 00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:50,070 I'm good. I'm good. Well, 433 00:29:50,849 --> 00:29:54,329 so that brings that brings up a different topic to me, just on 434 00:29:54,329 --> 00:30:01,859 that specific issue. Why do we make Why do we make the 435 00:30:01,859 --> 00:30:08,789 decisions that we make? When it comes to? Money or boosting or 436 00:30:09,569 --> 00:30:13,139 tipping? Or any, any any? When it comes to where do you when 437 00:30:13,139 --> 00:30:19,469 you're going to give value away? And that's, that's a big 438 00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,809 question within the value for value model. I mean, like, what? 439 00:30:21,959 --> 00:30:25,349 Why would you choose? Why would you choose to give, you know, to 440 00:30:25,349 --> 00:30:31,949 give this Bitcoin away or whatever this might be? You 441 00:30:31,949 --> 00:30:39,569 know, and it brought back to mind. Jonathan Edwards. If you 442 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:44,609 don't know Jonathan Edwards are is he's, he's, I mean, he's, 443 00:30:44,639 --> 00:30:47,699 he's comment, he's talked about me because he was a pastor, and 444 00:30:47,699 --> 00:30:50,219 he was part of the Great Awakening of the United States, 445 00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:54,449 and stuff like that. But he, but he was more than just that he 446 00:30:54,449 --> 00:30:58,559 was the first president of the first month, he was the first 447 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,899 base, he was former president of Princeton University, considered 448 00:31:03,899 --> 00:31:06,359 by most to be the greatest American, the greatest 449 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,269 philosopher or greatest scholar that America America has ever 450 00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:15,569 produced. That is, sort of one of his seminal works was called 451 00:31:16,379 --> 00:31:25,079 freedom of the will. And so he makes, he makes this statement 452 00:31:26,879 --> 00:31:33,959 that free moral agents, all always choose, according to the 453 00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:36,929 strongest ink strongest inclination they have at the 454 00:31:36,929 --> 00:31:42,629 moment of choosing is that that's, that's, that's a 455 00:31:42,629 --> 00:31:46,259 critical distinction. So you, it doesn't mean that when you make 456 00:31:46,259 --> 00:31:52,139 a choice, that your overall context of that choice, is the 457 00:31:52,139 --> 00:31:56,159 thing that you want to do. So you can imagine this sort of 458 00:31:56,159 --> 00:32:00,899 example of a, of a person approaching you with a gun, and 459 00:32:00,929 --> 00:32:05,249 he demands the keys to your car. And if you give him the keys to 460 00:32:05,249 --> 00:32:09,449 your car, it's not that you want to. But at that moment, at that 461 00:32:09,449 --> 00:32:16,019 precise moment, you determine your will decided that that was 462 00:32:16,019 --> 00:32:21,059 your best course of action. It's the thing you wanted to do is 463 00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:23,849 give him the keys your car, because the alternative was 464 00:32:23,849 --> 00:32:27,929 maybe you would be killed. Maybe a better explanation is the one 465 00:32:27,929 --> 00:32:33,299 that that Edwards himself he used. He said, he talks about 466 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:37,859 this chessboard, he says, Okay, if you he tries to explain this, 467 00:32:37,859 --> 00:32:41,039 and says if you have this chessboard in front of you with 468 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,489 no pieces on it, so it's this grid of black and white squares, 469 00:32:44,969 --> 00:32:50,189 and somebody says, Put your finger on a square. Which one 470 00:32:50,189 --> 00:32:57,929 would you put it on? Is it a completely open ended? Question? 471 00:32:59,669 --> 00:33:04,289 With no, with no influence at all within your mind? Well, if 472 00:33:04,289 --> 00:33:07,469 that's the case, you would never move your hand. So what he 473 00:33:07,469 --> 00:33:10,799 breaks it down into steps and says, Okay, it's so you look at 474 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,949 the board, maybe one little piece, one little section of the 475 00:33:13,949 --> 00:33:16,529 board catches your attention, because it has a slight 476 00:33:16,529 --> 00:33:19,859 discoloration or whatever, and then goes through the steps of, 477 00:33:20,069 --> 00:33:23,459 then you decide well, why it's as good as black. And eventually 478 00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:27,089 you come to this moment of choosing where your will decides 479 00:33:27,089 --> 00:33:30,809 that putting your finger on that particular spot is, is the thing 480 00:33:30,809 --> 00:33:34,979 you want to do. So that maybe is a better example without all the 481 00:33:34,979 --> 00:33:41,249 moral moralizing. But regardless, the This is why 482 00:33:41,249 --> 00:33:44,999 bringing the donation process in this is where it comes back into 483 00:33:44,999 --> 00:33:50,039 comments value for value. Bringing the donation process as 484 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:57,929 close to the product experience as possible. is so critical 485 00:33:57,929 --> 00:34:05,789 because of that because of this the my strongest inclination 486 00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:10,710 on a random Tuesday at three o'clock in the afternoon, when 487 00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:13,680 my credit card pings me for five bucks a month for that podcast 488 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,440 subscription may not be to have to be subscribed to a podcast. 489 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:23,010 My strongest inclination at that moment may be that my 490 00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:25,590 transmission just blew up in one why the hell am I paying for 491 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:30,930 this podcast in a may cancel the subscription. But if you bring 492 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:39,030 the Donation Point down into the app and bring it to the point 493 00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:43,830 where it's at the moment when that person has joy about what 494 00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:46,260 they just heard, or they find what you said important or 495 00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:51,150 anything like that, at that, at that moment, that is when you 496 00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:59,220 get this sort of pure, pure moral economic decision that 497 00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:02,190 somebody doesn't But he's just made, the value exchange 498 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:07,140 proposition is morally pure at that moment, it's no longer a 499 00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:10,740 dark pattern where you're trying to just keep somebody to keep 500 00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:13,560 somebody's credit card on file, so you can, so you can keep it 501 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,980 going and that kind of thing. Well, that's a, that's a 502 00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:24,780 critical moment in the value for value exchange. That's why this, 503 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:32,460 that's why it is it is in the app. And that's why we seem to 504 00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:36,330 like ignore things like subscriptions and these other 505 00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:40,920 funding models. Well, that's one of the reasons but that but that 506 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,900 this is an important reason. When you extrapolate that out to 507 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:50,670 something like a commenting system, it doesn't work the 508 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:59,910 same. Because the a, people do not attach the same value to 509 00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:05,550 something like a Twitter post, that they do to a to something 510 00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:10,440 like a podcast, which is a product, which is a product 511 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680 that's being delivered. Like if there's an if there's an 512 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,580 implicit value statement that's happening, when you produce a 513 00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:23,040 podcasting, give it to the listener. And then when you come 514 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:29,130 back with value to the podcaster, that represents the 515 00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:32,910 exchange of value. So anyway, what I'm trying to say is, like 516 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:37,950 all the value for value this, this answers the question of 517 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:42,090 why, you know, why would I give somebody $5 worth of bitcoin 518 00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:45,750 today for their podcast, when it may be worth 5000 In the future, 519 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,720 you know, then five years from now, that same amount of 520 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,430 bitcoin? Well, that's, that's wise, because in that moment, 521 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,520 you made that decision, you made the decision that the best use 522 00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:03,690 of your value was to give it back to the podcaster. And 523 00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:08,070 there's no other model that represents things in such a 524 00:37:08,070 --> 00:37:14,400 economically morally pure way. Is that fair? 525 00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:16,260 You brought a tear to my eye. 526 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,110 In fact, mission accomplished. 527 00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:21,000 I boosted you right now. 528 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,870 I'm glad we don't we're not on video. 529 00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:29,070 That was beautiful. And only you could because you're a 530 00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:35,160 philosophy guy. Didn't you major in it? Yeah. Are you perfect? 531 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,680 You're a professor, aren't you? You got a PhD in philosophy, 532 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440 in PhD in value for value. 533 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:46,440 Well, thank you. I don't know anyone who could have who could 534 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,430 have explained it that way. That and this, this is something I'm 535 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:52,980 going to save this episode. That was in fact, I needed 536 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,580 transcribed. Hey, I'll transcribe it through my through 537 00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:59,460 auto odor or whatever it is. It'd be really funny that way. 538 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,880 Oh, yeah, that'll be fun. Nice. 539 00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:06,000 Yes. Dr. Dave, the doctor of value. 540 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,130 Well, do we do we want to talk about the part about the 541 00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:13,860 comments tag as it stands? Because I just finished it 542 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:14,310 yesterday. 543 00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:18,030 Yeah. Yes. There's something new in there that I saw, which was 544 00:38:18,450 --> 00:38:21,720 priority, or was that always in there? Maybe I hadn't looked at 545 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:22,380 it properly. 546 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:28,200 It was in there already. Yeah. Okay. That, so I tightened it up 547 00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:31,110 and leave. And as you can pull it up, 548 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,590 it's kind of fun to go back to the discussion page on the 549 00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:39,930 GitHub and see how the first post from James is all about 550 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:45,270 this should only be activity pub. Oh, yeah. Kind of kind of 551 00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:46,740 funny to read how we evolve. 552 00:38:47,609 --> 00:38:54,029 Yeah, well, the the activity pub. So here's, here's what I 553 00:38:54,029 --> 00:39:01,499 tried to do with this is focus on activity. Just focus on the 554 00:39:01,499 --> 00:39:06,089 things that we already know exist. In our in US activity, 555 00:39:06,089 --> 00:39:14,879 pub, Twitter, lightning. Comments, those threes in here? 556 00:39:15,179 --> 00:39:21,989 I want to say that like the lightning comments, is a as a 557 00:39:21,989 --> 00:39:26,909 spec is a good one. And it needs it needs to exist. I'm fine with 558 00:39:26,909 --> 00:39:33,089 it. It needs to exist in in the comments spec and not mix the 559 00:39:33,089 --> 00:39:34,409 value for value stuff. That's 560 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,810 Yes, yes, exactly. 561 00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:42,000 And so from that, so I put it a def I put it in there. And it's 562 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 part of the it's on the slug list for this. And 563 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,580 unfortunately, I don't see a way around having a slug list. At 564 00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:50,430 this point. They just list out the 565 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:53,640 explain explain slug lists and why it's unfortunate. 566 00:39:54,509 --> 00:40:01,019 Well, so a slug list is basically just a set have a list 567 00:40:01,019 --> 00:40:02,099 of predefined 568 00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:04,140 word variables. 569 00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:07,170 Now, they're not variables. They're just they're, they're 570 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:14,760 static. Right? Okay. Where it says, you know, where you say, 571 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,640 Okay, these are this is it's like an A gnome, if you know 572 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,000 what that is. And in programming, it's a list what of 573 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,810 possible choices. What was that called? A noon in un. 574 00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:26,909 Okay, that's what that means. Okay? 575 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,900 Yeah, it's like I say, here's a list of choices. That basically 576 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,150 is what Nina is. And then that's what this is, right? So 577 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:36,180 it's not open where it fill in the blank. As long as you do XY 578 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:39,750 and Z. It's like, here's the ones you can use for now. Yeah, 579 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:41,760 yeah. And that's unfortunate. 580 00:40:42,479 --> 00:40:46,889 Yeah, cold acid. enumeration of values. Exactly. So that's 581 00:40:46,889 --> 00:40:49,619 unfortunate, because that means people have to keep up with the 582 00:40:49,619 --> 00:40:55,079 list. So you have a list you have to keep up with but really, 583 00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:59,369 I mean, it's, it's a small list, it's very small, and it's going 584 00:40:59,369 --> 00:41:01,769 to grow at a very manageable Ray. 585 00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:05,250 It's going to grow by one within a week, and that'll be hive. 586 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,230 Heed Right. Exactly. Yes. It will be hive, as a matter of 587 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:13,920 fact, should go and put that in there. Just anticipation. But so 588 00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:19,470 there's the tag is podcast, social interact. That's the only 589 00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:22,650 one we're doing. We're not we're not looking at podcast, social, 590 00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:26,130 or podcast, social sign up at this point. This is the only tag 591 00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:31,170 we're looking at in Phase Five, podcast, social interact. It has 592 00:41:31,260 --> 00:41:36,300 four attributes. Protocol, which references one of the choices 593 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,930 from the slug list currently that is, that are that is the 594 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:48,510 following. Activity, pub, Twitter, lightning, or disabled. 595 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,070 Right. 596 00:41:52,560 --> 00:42:00,240 The account ID attribute is and the account URL attribute the 597 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,360 recommended but optional. And that would be the account ID 598 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:13,320 would be the account ID on the platform being referenced of the 599 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,940 person who posted the the route post. So if it's me, you know if 600 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:21,720 I'm the one that did it live for today's show, it would be at 601 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:27,540 Dave at podcast index dot social. The account URL is the 602 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,490 is my profile, my public URL profile on that, that system? So 603 00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:34,770 my public podcast index dot social profile? 604 00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:37,140 URL? Yeah, yep, yep. Yep. 605 00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:42,180 And then priority is if you have multiple if you're going to post 606 00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:46,530 to Mastodon, Twitter, law and lightning, you got to give some 607 00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:50,100 priority so that the app knows which ones you find what your 608 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,670 importance cred, you know, what's the criteria? What do you 609 00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:57,030 find more important, it's low to high, so it's in descending 610 00:42:57,030 --> 00:43:01,110 order. So priority of one is the most important. Priority three 611 00:43:01,110 --> 00:43:05,280 would be the least in that scenario. And then the app that 612 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,490 at least gives them a hint as to what kind of what your intent 613 00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:14,250 is. And then the node value itself is the URL of the route 614 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:19,320 posts. So that would be just the full URL of this Twitter status, 615 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:27,060 or the full URL to this Tute, on Mastodon, or whatever. And so 616 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:31,080 that's, that's essentially the way that that's the proposal. 617 00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:34,230 Right. And so that that could give you as long as you're 618 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:38,190 logged into the platform, or you have whatever authentication to 619 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:42,690 the platform and question from the slug list, then you will 620 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,450 apparently be able to interact. 621 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:49,470 Yeah. So that's the idea that you would have a login. 622 00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,080 That's why you have the social login element that's coming 623 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,410 later. 624 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,570 Yeah, that is, yeah. Yeah. That's to be nice to be 625 00:43:57,570 --> 00:44:01,170 determined. What, how that fits, and where we use it and all 626 00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:07,620 that. And I guess, so the, you know, the idea here is you can, 627 00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:12,810 you could kind of approach it a couple of ways. You could say, 628 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:21,480 well, I just want I don't want to get all into the coding of 629 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,770 like pulling apps into pull, excuse me pulling comments into 630 00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:29,910 the app. I'm just going to I know that see this Twitter URL, 631 00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:34,410 I'm just going to like iframe it and stick it in there. Yes. Kind 632 00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:37,680 of, yes. Kind of a cheap chancy way to do it. But yeah, but 633 00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:41,130 that's that's what cheerio caster is also doing an iframe 634 00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:41,940 right now. Right? 635 00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,780 He's I think Stephens doing that for the IRC comment, right? 636 00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:49,200 I'm just saying, right, but I'm just saying that iframes for 637 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,650 now, it was you just use sound a little bit like it was kind of 638 00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:53,070 icky. 639 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:55,980 It is. Everywhere. 640 00:44:56,070 --> 00:44:58,590 I know you so well, honey, I know. I know what you think 641 00:44:58,590 --> 00:45:01,680 something's achy. I'm like that My boy doesn't like this What's 642 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,460 going on 643 00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:03,510 is gross. 644 00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:09,000 I almost automatically went to mark that like for no agenda, 645 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,030 I'm always marking shit Devorah for the opening segment, I 646 00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:15,300 almost went to mark that automatically. Well, that 647 00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:20,040 that's the and this is not a good way to do it. But if you 648 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,110 had to, you could I mean, that's, that's, that's fine. The 649 00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:30,030 The nice thing would be to you would be to use the protocol 650 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:35,310 attribute. And yeah, yeah, yes. Right. It says Twitter or 651 00:45:35,310 --> 00:45:39,180 activity pub or whatever, and then go hit the URL with thread 652 00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:41,880 cap or whatever tool you're using in just a second. 653 00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:46,350 So now you're waiting comments on this. So we can then go to 654 00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:47,280 finalization. 655 00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:50,970 Yes, I'm waiting comments on the comments. I have a 656 00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:56,640 some comments for you on the block tag as proposed. Oh, Lord. 657 00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:58,770 Oh, Lord. 658 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,660 What are your comments on the blog tag? I'm afraid. 659 00:46:04,949 --> 00:46:05,699 Yeah, you should be. 660 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,710 Yes. I'm sure you hate it. 661 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,430 Oh, no, I don't hate it. In fact, I am resisting. Resisting 662 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:20,760 my inner urge to love it, which is very is very, very hard. 663 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,710 Because my my brain weird thing to say? Yes. My Yeah. So my, in 664 00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:30,780 my heart in my heart, which concerns me, my heart, and I'll 665 00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:33,210 explain, let me just get the feeling out, then I'll explain 666 00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:37,350 why my heart really desires this. And I know it's a sin. 667 00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:40,110 Oh, okay. 668 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:44,610 So I'm very, and I mean, this, I mean, this, I'm very conflicted 669 00:46:44,610 --> 00:46:49,680 about it. So I looked at the slug list, the num of all the 670 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:56,250 platforms, you can signal in your feed, to block to block 671 00:46:56,250 --> 00:47:00,720 your podcast from being ingested. And it includes every 672 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,050 app. Every and I'm sure the list will expand. 673 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:07,380 Yeah, it'll be the entire end. And I want to 674 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,400 I want to warn everybody that this is a very, very dangerous 675 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,760 tag. This will fucking ruin everything, for the reasons of 676 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,630 the sin I have in my heart. Because here's how it would be 677 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:30,810 used in a fit of grumpiness. Fuck those guys. I'm blocking 678 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:38,850 I'm blocking fountain from my feed. That's what's gonna 679 00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:42,870 happen. So I'm warning for this. 680 00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:50,520 Noted it's been it's been it's been written. So that 681 00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:54,690 when this this is so antithetical to the idea of 682 00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:59,160 podcasting, it hurts and it hurts because I know exactly how 683 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,070 it will be used because of the sin I have in my soul. 684 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,860 You know, I'm right, you know, I'm right. Oh, no. 685 00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:15,780 100% agree. 100% I mean, I think I'm the one who, you know, 686 00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:19,350 usually go one rewind this thing. And I think I'm the one 687 00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:23,070 that said if, if this becomes abused, I'm immediately gonna 688 00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:23,910 stop stop. 689 00:48:24,449 --> 00:48:28,139 Right? You did say that. Yeah. And so then it will be ignored. 690 00:48:28,139 --> 00:48:31,769 I mean, even the we have the junior what is the the we have? 691 00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:36,359 Do not import? What is that? The LOGTAG the locked block yet 692 00:48:36,359 --> 00:48:39,569 locked tag? Is that really being followed by anybody? 693 00:48:40,949 --> 00:48:43,019 A bus? Oh, yeah. Yeah, bus. Oh, 694 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,850 and are a lot of people ignoring it? 695 00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:51,510 Well, the ones you would expect? Yeah. Well, you know, exactly. 696 00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:54,990 The anchor, you know. Exactly. Yeah, the big the ones that is 697 00:48:54,990 --> 00:49:00,180 intended to stop they do. But, you know, I'm not opposed to. 698 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:10,140 I'm not opposed to tags, like this that have? Did he know? Me? 699 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:10,620 Know, but 700 00:49:11,699 --> 00:49:14,729 let me let me just and I'll just finish it up. Because, of 701 00:49:14,729 --> 00:49:19,019 course, okay, in this case, fountain could completely ignore 702 00:49:19,409 --> 00:49:24,329 my block, which would then result in anger back and forth. 703 00:49:24,359 --> 00:49:26,939 And then before you know it, even though I don't have block, 704 00:49:26,969 --> 00:49:29,729 they won't put my feet in, you know that I mean that and I'm 705 00:49:29,729 --> 00:49:32,369 just using this as an example because that's where I that's 706 00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:34,829 where I feel this would have come up. This is a perfect 707 00:49:34,829 --> 00:49:35,849 example of that. 708 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,090 Now, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I'm 709 00:49:39,089 --> 00:49:42,419 just gonna say I'm 57 It's not my first rodeo. I've done stupid 710 00:49:42,419 --> 00:49:43,319 shit in my life. 711 00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:49,230 Here's, let me give you the real world example of how this came. 712 00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:53,580 Because I was gonna let this sort of go away. But then, 713 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,220 because of the comments that I've had before, 714 00:49:57,149 --> 00:49:59,099 and then I just spit on the wound didn't 715 00:49:59,759 --> 00:50:01,739 know Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm not talking about right now I'm 716 00:50:01,739 --> 00:50:04,829 saying like, I was gonna let this tag just disappeared, I was 717 00:50:04,829 --> 00:50:08,159 not going to put it in the in the fat in the Oh, okay. And I 718 00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:12,569 was prepared to let it die on the vine. But this specific 719 00:50:12,569 --> 00:50:19,289 thing happened. And that is a hosting company contacted, 720 00:50:19,889 --> 00:50:26,579 contacted me and said, Hey, there's about 50 or so feeds 721 00:50:27,149 --> 00:50:33,569 that you have in the index, that they're not private feeds, but 722 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:40,349 there's about 50 of them that we don't want listed publicly. And 723 00:50:40,349 --> 00:50:43,259 I was like, Yeah, sure, just send me the send me the list. 724 00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:46,919 And they said we, and this person said, I'm surprised that 725 00:50:46,919 --> 00:50:51,269 they showed up, because we put in the iTunes block tag. 726 00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:52,890 Ah, 727 00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:01,230 yeah. And, and I said, Well, my response was, Well, according to 728 00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:08,040 the iTunes spam namespace, yeah, it only applies to Apple. So in 729 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,940 the name in the in the namespace for the in the iTunes namespace, 730 00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:15,360 these are the official documentation for that tag says 731 00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:21,900 that. Apple, if that tag exists, Apple will not index the fees, 732 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:22,200 your 733 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,190 rule follower. 734 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:29,550 I'm a rule follower. I mean, 100%, you know, and so, and you, 735 00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:33,660 but what happened was, because there's not a general purpose 736 00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:40,200 block tag. Everybody treats that. Everybody within the 737 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,250 podcast, let's just say infrastructure industry treats 738 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,540 the iTunes block tag as if it means general block everybody, 739 00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:55,110 right? And good on, you know that. Yeah, well, that has the 740 00:51:55,110 --> 00:52:02,760 net effect that has the net result of there is no way to 741 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:11,370 block only specific things. You can't block only apple and not 742 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:16,530 Google. You can either block everybody. Or nobody if that's 743 00:52:16,530 --> 00:52:20,370 what this block the iTunes block tag means, right? And it goes 744 00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:24,060 even further because James posted on Twitter, because me 745 00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:27,870 and him were talking about this privately. And so he posted a 746 00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:33,180 survey on Twitter, he said, Okay, if if I put iTunes block 747 00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:37,080 in my feed, what does everybody think that that means block a 748 00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:41,250 block Apple or block everything in the overwhelming majority of 749 00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:45,240 people said that means only block Apple, right? So there is 750 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,050 a fundamental misunderstanding of what the iTunes block tag 751 00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:50,700 means in a fee. 752 00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:52,200 And how did you solve that with them? 753 00:52:53,550 --> 00:52:57,300 Oh, I just removed them by hand. You know, I removed it and and I 754 00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:03,390 started I put into the aggregator to not index anything 755 00:53:03,390 --> 00:53:10,410 that's got the block tag in it. Because because the the hosting 756 00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:13,680 companies the infrastructure people think that that's what 757 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,470 that means, even though everybody else does not an 758 00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:20,010 infrastructure doesn't think that's what that means. Exactly. 759 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,770 So having a block tag that allows more fine grained control 760 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:35,490 it seems kind of necessary because you it if I want my you 761 00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:40,560 know agenda, you want the no agenda show to be in Apple's 762 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,470 directory, but you don't want it in Spotify as directory with the 763 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:47,160 iTunes block tag. There's no way to do that. There's really 764 00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:48,630 absolutely no way to do 765 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:57,059 well but just so we're clear I'm okay with anybody importing my 766 00:53:57,059 --> 00:54:02,459 feed. I'm not okay if you're going to run ads around it and 767 00:54:02,459 --> 00:54:05,519 that's what Spotify does by default that's why they have you 768 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:10,289 sign their contract. Yeah, so they're doing it the right way 769 00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:12,839 even though it's ineffective they're doing it the right way. 770 00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:17,099 I just don't agree with them. So that's fine, you know, but that 771 00:54:17,099 --> 00:54:20,579 but I personally feel there should be no blockage. 772 00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:24,780 Well, the Oh, I agree. 100% I don't think there should be any 773 00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:32,340 blockage at all the the podcast hosting infrastructure world is 774 00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:37,350 convinced that the iTunes block tag in means block means nobody 775 00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:41,280 should index that feed. And that's a mess. Yeah, 776 00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:43,980 it gives up it leaves apple with power. 777 00:54:44,969 --> 00:54:49,259 Yeah, so as I Okay, you either block us and everybody else are 778 00:54:49,259 --> 00:54:53,849 you blocking nobody. And like that's not cool. That gives them 779 00:54:53,849 --> 00:54:54,929 off the hook all the time. 780 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,720 And bastards 781 00:55:03,449 --> 00:55:05,369 I have a few other things. 782 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,840 I've got a lot of thoughts in the pot news report card, but I 783 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,850 don't want to talk about that this week because I guess my 784 00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:13,740 blood pressure up. No, I 785 00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:16,920 had last week. Yeah, I have not looked at it yet. I wanted to 786 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,670 mention that the new version of cast coverage, huh? 787 00:55:20,879 --> 00:55:22,829 No, that thing is nuts. The app on 788 00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:23,490 acid 789 00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:29,670 that app is crazy. I mean, love it. 790 00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:34,140 It's, it's so it's dope. It really is. I mean, you go to 791 00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:39,120 cast coverage.com. Oh, oops, sorry. Oh, it remembers all my 792 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:44,220 state. I didn't realize that. That's cool. Oops. Okay, so this 793 00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:49,320 is what it does. It pops open windows for every function. You 794 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,930 can rearrange them, it has little connecting strings 795 00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:55,560 between between it so you can control different windows and 796 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,520 it's nuts. 797 00:55:56,820 --> 00:56:00,780 It looks like an old is anybody remember, this is exactly what 798 00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:03,510 this looks like, if anybody knows what this is. Does anybody 799 00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:08,370 remember flux box? Or black box Window Manager for Linux? Or? 800 00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:14,190 Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. Flux box. You know, I'm looking 801 00:56:14,190 --> 00:56:15,090 at it right now. 802 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,000 That was my favorite Window Manager. 803 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:21,270 It was pretty damn simple. Yeah, 804 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:24,390 that was my favorite window manager because it had this one. 805 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:31,200 Here's the design philosophy of flux box slash black box. Is 806 00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:37,260 there the only thing that ever the only thing you ever see on 807 00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:43,950 the screen is a right click menu nothing else and you know design 808 00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:47,880 there's like there's like a comp file that you go into and design 809 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,790 your your right click minion had you had like 12 different 810 00:56:50,790 --> 00:56:53,910 hierarchies of stuff hanging off of it was awesome. 811 00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:58,200 Yeah, I do remember this. Of course, I never used it proper 812 00:56:58,230 --> 00:57:01,590 properly. are probably more confused by it. 813 00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:05,760 Raw relsci This needs a nice dark mode. Yes. 814 00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:10,980 Needs dark mode. It does. Yeah. I just thought that was 815 00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:13,320 fantastic. Oh, wait, wait, if 816 00:57:13,319 --> 00:57:17,069 you wait, wait, if you click on the bottom left, the little, the 817 00:57:17,069 --> 00:57:20,909 little square at the bottom left? Yeah, it changes the 818 00:57:20,999 --> 00:57:21,809 window color. 819 00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,010 No, you kidding me? 820 00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:25,860 It changed it to think 821 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,230 there was a really cool, really cool article in The Guardian, 822 00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:33,300 which I just wanted to mention, I put it in the show notes. 823 00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:37,770 listening to podcasts on headphones, increases perceived 824 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:44,130 intimacy with hosts research finds. I just wanted to bring 825 00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:47,520 this up because, you know, people, my voice was good up 826 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,830 until now. People always like, you know, you're really anal 827 00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:56,520 about sound. Yes, I am. Because I know I know that we're in 828 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,660 people's heads. And now they have data to back it up. It's 829 00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:01,590 very intimate. 830 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,750 You get to use that power responsibly. When you get into 831 00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:09,480 somebody's head don't just oh, you know, just be pulling wires. 832 00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:15,000 There is so much power in audio. Because remember, everything is 833 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,770 vibration. Everything is vibration. And so when it's 834 00:58:19,770 --> 00:58:22,950 vibrating when when when my voice vibrates through the 835 00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:25,440 microphone and vibrates out through your speakers, your 836 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,560 earbuds and vibrates into your body, you become an antenna for 837 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,470 the vibration. And so when I shake the rainstick we get 838 00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:32,940 tornadoes in Austin. 839 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,790 Butterfly butterflies and Talon South America, Shaolin 840 00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:48,390 yeah this shit real Oh, one other just general thing I get a 841 00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:51,000 lot of people saying how are they any of these apps on the F 842 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,940 droid store? And I think is Mitchell updating pod verse on F 843 00:58:56,940 --> 00:59:00,510 droid? I mean, I know it's a pain in the ass I have a feeling 844 00:59:00,510 --> 00:59:03,810 it may not be but a lot of people are really looking for 845 00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:06,570 any of our apps on F droid 846 00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:12,540 that's a good question. I don't know if he is or not. I don't 847 00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:15,930 know because he hadn't he had really talked about at one point 848 00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:17,910 dropping it because I think he said it was a real pain. 849 00:59:19,469 --> 00:59:22,079 Yeah, well, I can understand it. I'm doing well. There's just 850 00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:24,809 some low hanging fruit there is I guess what I'm pointing out 851 00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:29,220 what is the deal with F droid? Is is it in order to get in it 852 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,770 you can't have any dependency on a Google library? 853 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,130 I don't know I don't think so. But I have no idea you know, 854 00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:39,300 they they always put in there you know some not so friendly 855 00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,540 features features you may not like you know like uses third 856 00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:46,290 party networks blah blah blah. So Intel at least it tells you 857 00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:48,810 about all the stuff I don't know if they forbid anything 858 00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:52,230 specifically. I think open source is that it Yeah, cold 859 00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:53,970 acid said it has to be open source. 860 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:58,920 Alex just posted the links. I guess it's I guess if pod vs in 861 00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:59,040 there. 862 00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:03,390 Oh, it is Oh good. Good. Yeah. Looks like Good, okay. Because I 863 01:00:03,390 --> 01:00:05,670 just want to send people there when they ask. Oh, and that's 864 01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:08,010 one other thing about the users and developers partying 865 01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:13,200 together. This is not to exclude the listeners, you have a duty 866 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:19,080 to. You got it, you got if you hear if you learn about a new 867 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,560 podcast apps.com from a podcaster, tell the other 868 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,730 podcast you're listening to, you know, makes a difference. That's 869 01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:29,580 how it works. That's how historically podcasting grows is 870 01:00:29,580 --> 01:00:34,140 through the content, the content interacting in real time with 871 01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:37,800 the development of the platform, the software, the standard. 872 01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:41,250 Right? You have a duty to boost. 873 01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:46,500 patriotic duty? 874 01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:50,280 Hell, yeah. If you're a global citizen. 875 01:00:53,400 --> 01:01:00,510 I think that when it comes when it comes to that notion, going 876 01:01:00,510 --> 01:01:05,700 back to the value for value thing for a second in his wound 877 01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:07,980 is sort of listener responsibility, or whatever you 878 01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:11,280 want to call it. I was listening to buck bus cast yesterday. And 879 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,980 they were saying they had this. They had a podcaster on there. 880 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:22,260 This lady does does a podcast on their network. And she was 881 01:01:22,260 --> 01:01:27,720 talking about how she had had a lot of success on Patreon. She 882 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:32,580 said that they took like, roughly 8%. Really, she said, 883 01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:35,070 but there were there were higher levels that would give you other 884 01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:38,640 options. Like you could go as high like 12% or something. And 885 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,830 they would do other things. But she said they've had a lot of 886 01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:48,180 success. And when they were talking about, oh, why? She 887 01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:52,380 mentioned that. She thinks it's got to do with their call to 888 01:01:52,410 --> 01:01:56,760 action. Where they you know, say detail, they essentially they 889 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:02,220 tell their audience about it. Mm hmm. You know, and I was like, 890 01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:03,330 Well, yeah, 891 01:02:04,110 --> 01:02:08,310 yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, life's not like magic. 892 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,980 Well, this See, this is important, though, because I 893 01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:16,890 don't think that, like, this is the big issue with value for 894 01:02:16,890 --> 01:02:21,660 value and how boosts and that kind of thing have been, have 895 01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:24,870 been seen in other products. Some podcasts are doing this 896 01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:29,220 very, very well. Yep. And other podcasts are not doing it at 897 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:33,120 all. You know, they just sort of put a value book in their feed. 898 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,140 And then it's like, Okay, I'm done. But no, I mean, like, if 899 01:02:37,140 --> 01:02:41,040 you want, you can just hook up Patreon is okay, I'm done. I 900 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,530 mean, you got to tell people like, that's the thing, the the 901 01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:49,500 value for value is critical. It is just like anything else, you 902 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,450 have to tell people that is there. You have 903 01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:54,240 to tell people that it's there. You have to tell people why it's 904 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,600 no different from I don't know, if you have, do you have the ads 905 01:02:57,630 --> 01:02:59,640 that are running now they're maybe they're local to our 906 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,830 network, where the there's a kind of a, you know, older 907 01:03:04,830 --> 01:03:09,660 millennial ish woman, and she's in Ukraine, and it's for the war 908 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:13,170 torn Jews, and she's with this old woman who looks just perfect 909 01:03:13,170 --> 01:03:16,590 for the part. And it's a really long ad, and it's all to raise 910 01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:20,100 money for a nonprofit. And, you know, that's a heart wrenching 911 01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:24,840 ad. How many times you've had Have you heard one 807, seven 912 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,660 cars for kids. You know, if Ronald McDonald House never had 913 01:03:30,810 --> 01:03:35,880 communication with their, with, with their patrons, or former 914 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,000 patient or family members, I should say, 915 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,280 that Humane Society, there's no one 916 01:03:41,310 --> 01:03:44,010 no one would ever give anything. Because if you don't ask, they 917 01:03:44,010 --> 01:03:47,100 don't give. That's the part that people have to get over. That's 918 01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:49,710 the hardest part, you know, divorce, and I writing the book 919 01:03:49,710 --> 01:03:53,610 about it, it's really, really weird to do that. But when you 920 01:03:53,610 --> 01:03:57,150 do it, that's when, when you see it come alive. 921 01:03:58,770 --> 01:04:02,940 There's, you know, there's, if you just want the fun of, if 922 01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:06,600 you're just if you're not wanting to get money or anything 923 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,910 like that from a podcast, I mean, you know, age, what the 924 01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:12,900 fun of the technology, and that's fine. But if, if, as a if 925 01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,560 you actually want to, you know, if your goal was to monetize in 926 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,280 some way, well, then you just you have to tell people how they 927 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,930 can do it. Otherwise, they just don't know, you know, but you 928 01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:27,690 know, hey, you know, but that actually isn't true. But I'm 929 01:04:27,690 --> 01:04:31,440 thinking now that I'm thinking about this. This is actually an 930 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:37,410 interesting part of value value as it's implemented in apps, in 931 01:04:37,410 --> 01:04:45,180 the podcast into porno apps. I just remember the lightbulb 932 01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:50,790 moment, all right. You're lit all lit. I'll get the live tag. 933 01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:58,230 The the other eye ways of monetizing, like Patreon and 934 01:04:58,230 --> 01:05:03,000 stuff involve you having to tell your audience that is there? 935 01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:07,380 Because they need because otherwise they would not know. 936 01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:14,670 But but the podcasting 2.0 apps surface the boost button on the 937 01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:19,500 page where the when it sees an ad a podcast that is value 938 01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:23,250 enabled. Yes, sir. That's how I know like for that one, that's 939 01:05:23,249 --> 01:05:25,889 the square Yes, your finger on that's the square you need to 940 01:05:25,889 --> 01:05:27,959 put your finger on. There's no other square 941 01:05:28,529 --> 01:05:33,089 yet. So this actually solves the discoverability issue with 942 01:05:33,089 --> 01:05:37,379 monetization. Mm hmm. Why did I not see this before? So like 943 01:05:37,379 --> 01:05:42,239 when I'm in cast Matic, which is what I usually use on a daily 944 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:47,489 driver, is when there's a value for value podcast. It pops up 945 01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,519 like I see the boost button. If it's no boost button. There's no 946 01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:53,939 bear. Yeah, it's not they don't have value bought. Like, 947 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,190 that's genius. 948 01:05:56,370 --> 01:05:59,520 That's genius. And I just figured it out. I'm not a 949 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:00,150 genius. Yeah, 950 01:06:00,150 --> 01:06:03,270 no hunting around for PayPal buttons or anything like that. 951 01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:06,030 No. And it's consistent across all apps. 952 01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:10,950 I'm resisting the urge to dive into the podcasts the pod news 953 01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:13,230 report card because it goes into a lot of this stuff. I want to 954 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:18,690 talk about that next week but that is there there was there 955 01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:21,900 was criticism in there of us focusing too much on crypto 956 01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:30,930 stuff. And but that like that's this is important, and I'm not 957 01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:33,180 getting into it. I'm not doing it again. My 958 01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:35,940 goodness. Dave is too bad you you can only meet with me on 959 01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:40,440 your lunch hour. We had more time. We could have so much more 960 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,250 fun together 961 01:06:43,739 --> 01:06:49,049 that's the yeah anyway that's that just hit me and I can't 962 01:06:49,049 --> 01:06:51,179 believe I didn't realize that before. It's a 963 01:06:51,180 --> 01:06:52,650 Genius system. 964 01:06:53,790 --> 01:06:57,270 is genius. And Alex is right too. You can do it for blogs and 965 01:06:57,270 --> 01:07:01,080 stuff if you put that in there because it just shows up. Yep. 966 01:07:01,110 --> 01:07:06,600 It's it's not a matter of of having to like tell people like 967 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,270 it's a it's a UI. This is a UI 968 01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,510 Yeah. This this is what I was talking to Steven B about I said 969 01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:16,020 can you spruce up your your widget you know this goes back 970 01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:19,740 because he heard what we were talking about about 40% of women 971 01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:23,910 listened to the podcast on the website to paint he just make 972 01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:27,540 your little player widget cage just have a boost in there and a 973 01:07:27,540 --> 01:07:31,380 wallet wallet support and you know expand window or whatever i 974 01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:33,240 don't know i mean it makes so much sense. 975 01:07:34,739 --> 01:07:37,919 He cleaned up something because it looks different. I don't know 976 01:07:37,919 --> 01:07:40,979 if you've seen it like the donation set. thing where it 977 01:07:40,979 --> 01:07:42,449 says pricing i think 978 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,290 i in the price I use it every day. What did I miss? 979 01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:48,060 Was if you click on the pricing 980 01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:51,570 link at the top Oh pricing. I don't I never click on pricing. 981 01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:55,799 Is this curio casters biscuit a little donation widget there. 982 01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:02,579 Yeah, QR code. Oh, yeah. 983 01:08:03,989 --> 01:08:08,159 Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, 984 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:15,240 it's a donate needs to donate what he does? Yeah. 3% and 3% of 985 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:15,900 the amount is it? 986 01:08:16,650 --> 01:08:20,250 My god, that's an outrageous fee. That's impressive. 987 01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:25,979 Are you hitting all the cylinders to know well, 988 01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:28,740 wait on that. Hey, by the way, aren't you on vacation next 989 01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:31,740 week? Brother? Me? Yeah, I thought you were going on 990 01:08:31,740 --> 01:08:37,260 vacation. No, when when? Because you weren't? You weren't going 991 01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:40,410 to Bitcoin? 2022. I thought just because you're on vacation, or 992 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:41,430 was that something else? Oh, 993 01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:43,920 no. Is because it's tax season. Oh, screw 994 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,650 that because we have a problem, Houston. Oh, no. 995 01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:47,790 Are you gonna be out of town next week? 996 01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:55,380 Two weeks to Friday? Oh, no. Yes. Two Fridays? Yeah. Bummer. 997 01:08:55,500 --> 01:09:03,030 Now we can we can do a Thursday evening, which I'm fine with. 998 01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:09,060 I'll survive, which I would kind of prefer as this. So that would 999 01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:13,860 be next or this coming Thursday. And then we could do if you want 1000 01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:17,850 Saturday when I come back. I'll come back Friday, but I'll be 1001 01:09:17,850 --> 01:09:22,230 back too late for the show. And not and I'll be I won't. I won't 1002 01:09:22,230 --> 01:09:24,870 have time to prepare. I don't want to miss the board meeting. 1003 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,310 That's incredibly important to me. Yeah, sure. We can do it 1004 01:09:29,310 --> 01:09:31,890 there. We got to go spread. My dad's ashes are Oh, no, wait, 1005 01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:34,170 this is our vacation. That's a different trip. There'll be no 1006 01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:35,310 interruption of that trip. 1007 01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:40,380 Okay. Yeah. So you're so you're okay, so we would do this come 1008 01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:41,640 in Thursday night. 1009 01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:44,370 Unless you want to just take one week off. 1010 01:09:46,169 --> 01:09:48,089 I mean, we can take one week off. 1011 01:09:48,150 --> 01:09:51,240 No, but I mean, it's more for you. I'm fine doing it. But 1012 01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:55,920 as long as I can. I don't know. We'll talk about that to share. 1013 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:56,040 We'll 1014 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,590 finish all right. Okay, sorry about that. Didn't mean to 1015 01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:59,880 spring it on you but yeah, 1016 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,390 That's okay. No, no tech, if I'm fried, 1017 01:10:03,390 --> 01:10:06,510 I'm fried. I need I need a week off. I'm so fried. 1018 01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:10,500 Do we want to talk about the work on the aggregator? 1019 01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:13,590 Yeah, I'd love to hear about the aggregate aggregator. It's 1020 01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:14,280 exciting. 1021 01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:22,530 It was not at all. I'm about I'm about to rock your world. And if 1022 01:10:22,530 --> 01:10:22,680 you're 1023 01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:25,800 just aggravate, that's what we're talking about here. 1024 01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:31,110 aggravator, it's the this is not that. This is not that, 1025 01:10:31,410 --> 01:10:38,970 necessarily. It's tied to it. But so here, so that they that 1026 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,740 the polar the new polar, the aggravator. Polar is, is done. 1027 01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:47,550 Mostly I'm am still tweaking it, tiny bits. But it does what I 1028 01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:50,940 need it to. It's very simple. It's only about 350 lines of 1029 01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:55,980 frost. And it's it's very, very simple and fast. All it really 1030 01:10:55,980 --> 01:11:00,600 does is pulls the feeds. You give it a list of feeds it, it 1031 01:11:01,170 --> 01:11:06,390 pulls them down, and then saves a saves it in a feed file with 1032 01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:10,860 the status code last date, time a tag all that. So it's very 1033 01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:15,870 simple, then it gives it back then it hands it over to the 1034 01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:23,040 parser. In the process, if it sees a redirect file, sees or 1035 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,020 excuse me, if it sees a redirect from HTTP, it kicks that out as 1036 01:11:28,020 --> 01:11:32,340 a separate file in a different folder. If it sees a three Oh, 1037 01:11:32,370 --> 01:11:36,900 if it sees a permanent redirect, if it sees a 301 or 308. It 1038 01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:40,380 writes that as a file separately, what does 308 mean? 1039 01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:49,020 Through a means? Permanent? It's a permanent redirect. That means 1040 01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:51,720 the current hacked email, yeah, don't 1041 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,670 worry about it. No, I'll look it up. 1042 01:11:54,120 --> 01:12:05,010 Yeah, look at the so these redirects get handled. So you 1043 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:08,970 follow the redirect? Obviously, you're you're being redirected. 1044 01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:12,960 So you get the content. But if it's a permanent redirect, you 1045 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,330 really want to update the feed URL. 1046 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,630 Yeah, 3308 is permanent. 301 is just a redirect. 1047 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,840 Now three ones are permanent to permanent for two different 1048 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,350 reasons. And the reasons are kind of subtle. I think, if I 1049 01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:33,690 remember correctly, three weights are not nearly as common 1050 01:12:33,690 --> 01:12:37,410 as three Oh, ones. It's it's a probably 100 to one ratio, if 1051 01:12:37,410 --> 01:12:44,790 not more. But you so we write the redirect, file out, so that 1052 01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:50,700 a script later can come through, read those redirect files and 1053 01:12:50,730 --> 01:12:58,650 update the database accordingly. That redirect file is taking 10 1054 01:12:58,650 --> 01:13:03,810 times longer to write then the actual writing actual polar did 1055 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:09,810 okay. Because it is fraught with decision making. Oh, that, you 1056 01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:10,020 know, 1057 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,300 rules rules from the rule follower. 1058 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,760 Yeah, yeah. And so like back, if you're writing in the past, you 1059 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,720 know, have always written regular old RSS blog 1060 01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:26,700 aggregators, and that it's easy. It's easy to handle redirects, 1061 01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:29,700 and their HTTP is the law. That's the only thing that 1062 01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:34,710 matters. So if and if you get if you get a 301 through an HTTP 1063 01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:38,430 redirect, you just update the database and keep on chugging. 1064 01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:46,320 But in podcasting, oh, it's a it's a complete mess. Because 1065 01:13:47,610 --> 01:13:52,200 what you have is a you have more you have directories that have 1066 01:13:52,230 --> 01:13:58,500 identifiers. did expect they map an identifier out to a feed URL, 1067 01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:59,850 and they expect that 1068 01:14:00,330 --> 01:14:03,570 Oh, I see your outcome. Yeah, I see where it breaks. Yeah, 1069 01:14:03,870 --> 01:14:08,310 you have to keep things in sync, right. So what, you know, iTunes 1070 01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:17,040 number, you know, to 163489 on my URL for for that iTunes ID 1071 01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:21,720 needs to match what Marco's ID right URL is right? Right. 1072 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:27,000 Right, right and what apples is so and that's just one decision. 1073 01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:32,910 So then it may here's here's a typical scenario. A redirect it 1074 01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:37,770 hits a redirect, picks it up in the script has to do something 1075 01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:42,960 along these lines. Look at the current URL, see if see if it's 1076 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:48,300 valid. Check them checked in valid I mean, like, see the 1077 01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:52,080 discount XML content parses into a proper feed. Look at the new 1078 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,290 URL. Make sure it it does. So that there there's not some 1079 01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:58,470 phantom death there that's going on. Make sure both of them 1080 01:14:58,470 --> 01:15:06,840 validate then go through and say, Okay, does this feed, have 1081 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,910 an iTunes ID? Okay, if it does ping the iTunes, ping Apple's 1082 01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:18,240 API, and see what they say that the URL is, save that hang on to 1083 01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:27,600 that value, then look into our database. And see if the URL 1084 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,990 that's being redirected to already exists as another feed 1085 01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:34,800 ID. Likewise, we've, we've got the old one. And we've also 1086 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,770 picked up the the new one that's being redirected to as a new 1087 01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:44,010 feed. If that's the case, see if that one has an iTunes ID, if it 1088 01:15:44,010 --> 01:15:47,910 does ping apples, if it's different ping Apple's API and 1089 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:53,040 see what that URL says, now you've got potentially four 1090 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,920 different URLs that you're going to have to make sense out of, 1091 01:15:57,060 --> 01:16:01,410 if, if the conflicting, if the conflicting feed is not does not 1092 01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:06,120 have an iTunes ID, ie kill it, mark it as a duplicate of the 1093 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,750 other one with a number pointing back to the original one. And 1094 01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:13,470 then repol, that feed, set the new URL, and you're done. If the 1095 01:16:13,470 --> 01:16:17,130 other one does have an iTunes ID, and it matches this one, you 1096 01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:19,830 can do the same thing. If it's got a different iTunes, Id just 1097 01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:24,630 bail and kick it out and make a fix it. This, there's this whole 1098 01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:28,320 big mess of you know, and I was trying to figure this out and 1099 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:28,830 say, well, 1100 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,780 at the end of this, after all those things have happened, all 1101 01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:36,480 those decisions are made between four different feeds, I can't 1102 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,380 even imagine what the possibility of things has to be 1103 01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:44,100 looked at. Does a candy bar pop out of the slot at the bottom? 1104 01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:51,360 Just munch on that, like, yes, it worked. Your Your reward 1105 01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:59,640 is ice cream. That so like I was explaining this on the on the 1106 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,590 Macedon? And I said, Well, you know, okay, so this is a very 1107 01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:09,750 typical thing that would happen this scenario, the redirect, and 1108 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,920 the redirect says, Okay, you hit an anchor feed in it says, Okay, 1109 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:19,350 I'm redirecting you over to pod bean. Well, now, but I do have 1110 01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:24,450 an iTunes ID, ping Apple. And Apple still shows the old 1111 01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:30,750 anchor, knot pod bean. So what do you do? Do you do you set it 1112 01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:34,200 as pod bean? Because clearly, the feed wants you over at pod 1113 01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:41,850 bean. But Apple says no, it's it's not its anchor. And so, you 1114 01:17:41,850 --> 01:17:47,100 know, Marco, pipe, you know, he, he pitched in and said, Just 1115 01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:51,060 keep it at anchor because he said, I've seen too many times 1116 01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:58,920 that podcasters will set a redirect and then say, Oh, crap, 1117 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,480 I did. I wish I didn't do that. 1118 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,980 But how does that? How does that fit with? The source of truth is 1119 01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:05,640 the feed? 1120 01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:08,820 Well, because of this, seeing that that's where it gets 1121 01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:14,100 tricky, because the source of truth is the feed. But that's 1122 01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:17,760 not what is telling you that isn't that's not what's giving 1123 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,900 you this information was lying nation, it's lying. was giving 1124 01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:24,750 you the information is the server that serving the feed, 1125 01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:28,710 which may not represent accurately the intent of the 1126 01:18:28,710 --> 01:18:35,880 podcaster. Oh, okay. Because think about iTunes, if you go, 1127 01:18:36,330 --> 01:18:40,230 and let me just say this, I mean, in general, this is why we 1128 01:18:40,230 --> 01:18:42,990 need to stop having Apple as the source of truth 1129 01:18:42,989 --> 01:18:46,589 is because this this very, this, this Yeah, 1130 01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:51,030 we need to go back to a scenario where HTTP is the rule is the 1131 01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:55,320 law. And when it tells you to do something, you do it. Which, 1132 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,200 which is how the entire internet worked except for podcasting. 1133 01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:05,010 But if you say, like if a person goes and they leave, anchor and 1134 01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:08,670 go to pod bean, or whatever, and then they figure out, oh, I 1135 01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:12,510 still got some apps over here that are hitting anchor, well, 1136 01:19:12,510 --> 01:19:15,870 I'm not going to change my, I'm not going to update my iTunes 1137 01:19:15,870 --> 01:19:18,210 Connect or whatever it is, dashboard. I'm not going to 1138 01:19:18,210 --> 01:19:21,270 change that, because I don't want to lose my followers in the 1139 01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:25,500 old Apple podcast app versus the new one. So I'm just gonna it's 1140 01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:29,910 just, it's just such a mess. And so he's, he's right. I mean, and 1141 01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:34,920 at the end, at the end of it all, if he has an iTunes ID in 1142 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,600 overcast, and we have an iTunes ID in the index, and we're both 1143 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,850 syncing together, those URLs need to be the same. 1144 01:19:42,990 --> 01:19:47,280 So how do we how do we cut out a lot of this longer term? 1145 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,030 Good, man, I got no clue. I mean, we just keep on chugging, 1146 01:19:54,030 --> 01:19:58,740 I guess, and keep on. Keep on trying to make things make the 1147 01:19:58,740 --> 01:20:00,600 index as good as possible. So that 1148 01:20:00,690 --> 01:20:06,150 what can we ask Apple to do to make this go away? No, 1149 01:20:06,150 --> 01:20:06,870 seriously. 1150 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,860 I'm serious and laughing about it, because I don't think they 1151 01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:11,400 care. 1152 01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:14,880 But I'm asking what the what what the ask would be? 1153 01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:21,750 I don't even know. I mean, this, I don't think it's a model that 1154 01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:25,500 can change. I mean, they're committed to it at this point. 1155 01:20:26,910 --> 01:20:30,060 It's just a thing like that. That's the way their entire 1156 01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:33,900 system works. And they've, and they've recently changed it, you 1157 01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:37,620 know, to put their IDs at even more central to their system, 1158 01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:39,810 because they're centralized their aggregators, and it's not 1159 01:20:39,810 --> 01:20:43,890 at the app level anymore. Yeah, I don't know, I don't think they 1160 01:20:43,890 --> 01:20:44,640 can change. 1161 01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,350 Right. But but if they, if they all of a sudden turned off their 1162 01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:55,470 API, or said, You got to pay for it, or whatever, what we 1163 01:20:55,470 --> 01:20:58,080 understand the overall implications, but part of that's 1164 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,830 why we're here. How would that work with all these redirects 1165 01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:02,610 and all that shit? 1166 01:21:05,790 --> 01:21:06,990 Well, I II, 1167 01:21:06,990 --> 01:21:10,440 would 50% of the universe be still happy? And then the other 1168 01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:11,400 50 would not. 1169 01:21:16,230 --> 01:21:21,690 You know, it comes. You've got this layer on top, you've got 1170 01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:26,580 this layer on top of HTTP. And that's, that's the problematic 1171 01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:32,700 point is you have you say, you say, okay, my, my server is 1172 01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:36,030 telling you to do one thing. And now but I'm going to go over to 1173 01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:39,630 this other special dashboard in over there, I'm going to tell it 1174 01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:45,420 to do for you to do something different. And then like, I 1175 01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:48,570 don't know, at that point, the results are undefined. 1176 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,020 Okay. So but it's certain servers that are redirecting 1177 01:21:52,050 --> 01:21:52,890 incorrectly? 1178 01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:57,030 Well, they've let you know. Here's what, let me give you an 1179 01:21:57,030 --> 01:22:01,650 example. Here's what Spreaker does. If you evidently like 1180 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:04,350 stopped paying your bill, or I don't know, like delete your 1181 01:22:04,350 --> 01:22:09,270 account or something not on it, you, you will get a redirect 1182 01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:14,700 from Spreaker. That redirects you to a Google search for the 1183 01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:17,610 title of your podcast that used to be at that URL. 1184 01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:21,090 Let me Google that for you. Now, it's exactly 1185 01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:25,740 what it is. Yes. Which is kind of neat. Yeah, that's actually a 1186 01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,040 good idea. But I mean, nobody's ever gonna see it because it's 1187 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,540 an aggregator, right. But, but that's the way like, that's the 1188 01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:38,970 way Spreaker handles it. Anchor anchor appears to just change 1189 01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:42,630 the feed in say, there's no longer a feed here. That's what 1190 01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:46,860 the text is of. I don't know everybody hands with different 1191 01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:48,930 handles it differently. And I don't have a good solution for 1192 01:22:48,930 --> 01:22:51,420 it. I mean, if there was, if there was a good solution for 1193 01:22:51,420 --> 01:22:55,680 it, it had been thought of by now. But long term, 1194 01:22:56,790 --> 01:23:00,750 it seems like most of the hosts do the redirects properly. I 1195 01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:03,750 mean, I'm just saying is it do we need to do a blitz on podcast 1196 01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:07,020 hosts so that we can solve some of this once and for all, if all 1197 01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,280 podcast hosts, if all the podcast host? I guess you 1198 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:12,210 couldn't just this is not 1199 01:23:12,210 --> 01:23:15,240 a hosting. This is not a product, you're saying I see 1200 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,540 what you're saying. This is a podcast or problem. Because the 1201 01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:23,640 podcasters don't understand. Most podcasters when they move, 1202 01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:27,570 all they think about is is is when is changing it in iTunes. 1203 01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:33,360 Or whether or not they should one ever bury the lead. 1204 01:23:34,260 --> 01:23:40,140 You gave me all of you, Bear. Okay. You gave me this. And I 1205 01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:42,540 appreciate it. I love understanding how this stuff 1206 01:23:42,540 --> 01:23:45,630 works. But if you just said podcasters Don't be idiots. 1207 01:23:45,630 --> 01:23:48,030 You've got to redirect everywhere. That's something I 1208 01:23:48,030 --> 01:23:48,810 can work with. 1209 01:23:49,260 --> 01:23:54,030 Yeah, but that's that's not that's no fun for me. I gotta 1210 01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:57,780 explain this. What else is my job here? Taking my role away. 1211 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,180 Dave Jones, are you kidding me? If DeVore ag dies before I do 1212 01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:08,430 your it, man. We'll have Tina, we'll have Tina come in from 1213 01:24:08,430 --> 01:24:12,720 time to time. Mo on deck. 1214 01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:17,310 Do I have to drink one? Is that the is that the rule there? No. 1215 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:24,960 Only was Tina. Yeah. You're great. You're great podcast or 1216 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,350 Dave Jones. You really are. Yeah, you have no idea how good 1217 01:24:28,350 --> 01:24:28,800 you are? 1218 01:24:29,250 --> 01:24:31,890 Well as to saying in the chat room, that pod paying is a good 1219 01:24:31,890 --> 01:24:33,870 solution. That's not the only thing he's right. But if you 1220 01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:36,630 combine also if you combine pod paying with 1221 01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:40,530 the GUID Yeah, then we're in business. Yeah, that's 1222 01:24:40,530 --> 01:24:44,370 the ultimacy in the GUI, a tag has been lost in the discussions 1223 01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:47,670 lately. But that's what it's meant to ultimately resolve is 1224 01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:53,010 these kinds of issues that the good you is the good tag exists 1225 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,310 to eventually make it where the ecosystem can figure these 1226 01:24:56,310 --> 01:25:00,000 conflicts out themselves rather than having to go back and 1227 01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:01,950 Poland API for it. 1228 01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:05,700 Ice Cube soup in the chat says we need a podcast feed 1229 01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:10,440 health.com For podcaster to find out if they've screwed up. Let 1230 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:13,860 me tell you I agree that's a great idea. I mean, you have to 1231 01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:19,470 know that it's so hard to live on the edge like this, I, you 1232 01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:22,950 know, I don't use a hosting company. So I am responsible for 1233 01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:30,000 a lot of moving parts in my feed. And yeah, like, Wednesday, 1234 01:25:30,330 --> 01:25:36,060 I published and I, instead of 2022, in the URL, it was 22 to 1235 01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:41,010 two. And so you know, then the enclosures invalid. And then 1236 01:25:41,010 --> 01:25:43,830 invariably, even though I changed my feed, it gets cached 1237 01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:48,990 and it's, it's a huge pain. Yeah, so when we have these new 1238 01:25:48,990 --> 01:25:53,400 experimental things, yeah. I mean, podcast feed health dot 1239 01:25:53,610 --> 01:25:58,290 WTF, that would be that would that would be great for 1240 01:25:58,290 --> 01:26:01,470 promoting new features. Like all your feed is great. But it could 1241 01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,940 be even better with chapters a value block. 1242 01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:09,900 So you know, the podcast index page can do that itself. It can 1243 01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:10,530 say, 1244 01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:14,760 Ooh, that's interesting. That's interesting. Like you 1245 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,390 click a, click the button on the feed page, and it goes in and 1246 01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:21,450 gives you like, this plain English, English explanation of 1247 01:26:21,450 --> 01:26:28,650 what's wrong. It says, Hey, everybody, you know, Apple says 1248 01:26:28,830 --> 01:26:33,870 that you're in this feed is as ad anchor, but we looked, and 1249 01:26:33,870 --> 01:26:35,430 it's pointing to pod bean. 1250 01:26:36,180 --> 01:26:36,900 Right? 1251 01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:42,360 You want to go fix this? Yeah. How about that? That'd be cool. 1252 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:43,950 Somebody read it? 1253 01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:49,920 Is it done yet? Go read it. All of this work. All of this genius 1254 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,750 coming from my partner here is worth a few SATs, I'd say the 1255 01:26:54,750 --> 01:27:00,090 only way we can fund this entire project, and here we are. Paying 1256 01:27:00,090 --> 01:27:01,710 taxes on money we don't have. 1257 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,550 That's the funnest part. That's the greatest part of this 1258 01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:06,030 project. 1259 01:27:06,060 --> 01:27:09,420 Yes. And it's all in the lightning node. It's all in the 1260 01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:12,840 node in the servers baby. It's where it all is. Value for 1261 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,980 value. Now, we've talked a lot about it. Now's your chance to 1262 01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:20,190 experience it for yourself. We prefer you to get a modern 1263 01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:24,360 podcast app a new podcast apps calm and boost us big amounts 1264 01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,700 but really it's the value that you determine that's the great 1265 01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:30,360 part about it is whatever you think it's worth and that's very 1266 01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:34,080 subjective. You can also do it still through Fiat fun coupons 1267 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,400 air there's one coming in by going to podcast index.org down 1268 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,240 at the bottom. You can click on the PayPal button go to donate 1269 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,540 that way also there's an on chain. I should take a look and 1270 01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:49,230 see if we got any on chain donations. Through tally coin. 1271 01:27:49,290 --> 01:27:50,280 Hold on a second. Oh, 1272 01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:53,310 I forget about on chain stuff. Yeah, I forgot 1273 01:27:53,310 --> 01:27:56,250 one for Korean the keeper and Dame Jennifer has sent us like 1274 01:27:56,670 --> 01:28:00,540 23,000 SATs. My boys my boys. 1275 01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,960 Go on male You're fading and jump in here and save you. 1276 01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:07,590 Yeah, you might have to say let me just see if we have anything 1277 01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:17,190 over here. Podcasting. 2.0 Here we go. Well, yeah, we got the on 1278 01:28:17,190 --> 01:28:20,070 the 19th of March t shirt time. I think we already got that we 1279 01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:21,060 have that on the list. 1280 01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:27,330 Is that was that? Was that through tally coin. I thought it 1281 01:28:27,330 --> 01:28:28,410 was a lightning donation. 1282 01:28:29,010 --> 01:28:33,180 It might be lightning. Which also works through tally coin. 1283 01:28:34,650 --> 01:28:37,020 Okay. 305095 1284 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,480 Yeah, that must be the t shirt. 1285 01:28:39,570 --> 01:28:41,790 Yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, that one. All right. Good. We're 1286 01:28:41,790 --> 01:28:44,130 good. Should we Yeah, should we thank some people. Dave. 1287 01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:55,110 I would love to thank some people. Yes, I mean that that 1288 01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:55,740 might be my face. 1289 01:28:55,770 --> 01:28:57,270 My face is one of mine. 1290 01:28:58,980 --> 01:29:09,360 Marco $500. big baller PayPal big board. No, no. He's a he's a 1291 01:29:10,830 --> 01:29:14,520 kid centric baller. I don't know what how to say this there's a 1292 01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:18,750 we can do we can do these together because Buzzsprout also 1293 01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:21,000 came in with $500 Double Double 1294 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:28,290 I got to hit it shot 20 blades just makes me feel good 1295 01:29:28,740 --> 01:29:32,910 they're both in the they're both in the in the Impala bouncing 1296 01:29:32,970 --> 01:29:34,050 that's right ocean that's 1297 01:29:34,050 --> 01:29:37,860 right shot kala. Thank you both very well, actually you thank 1298 01:29:37,860 --> 01:29:42,960 all of you. Buzzsprout not just one day it's yes. You got to 1299 01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,120 talk day my voice I would get some the drink. 1300 01:29:45,150 --> 01:29:49,140 Yeah, no, but we we appreciate that so much because that is the 1301 01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:52,800 foundation. These these two donations each month have become 1302 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,130 the foundation of of what we're doing and then because their 1303 01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:59,970 subscriptions and they they hit every month. Yes. Yeah, it takes 1304 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,760 to pressure off because we don't have to worry about whether it's 1305 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,780 gonna happen or not. No, it's fantastic and very much 1306 01:30:06,780 --> 01:30:07,380 appreciated, which 1307 01:30:07,380 --> 01:30:10,590 is of course, part of living on the edge with podcasting. 2.0 1308 01:30:10,590 --> 01:30:14,040 with value for value is part of it is living on the edge, will 1309 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:14,910 we make rent? 1310 01:30:16,529 --> 01:30:19,709 Because that's, I mean, that's the thing is like, that's all I 1311 01:30:19,709 --> 01:30:23,309 ever care about. Cancer. Yeah, these get canceled at any 1312 01:30:23,309 --> 01:30:26,849 moment. We don't know. I mean, you don't know. So that's, 1313 01:30:26,969 --> 01:30:31,799 that's one of the reasons why we're, we're trying to build up 1314 01:30:31,859 --> 01:30:36,509 enough money in the bank, to be able to run this for a while if 1315 01:30:36,509 --> 01:30:40,529 something really bad happened. And that's this makes it where 1316 01:30:40,889 --> 01:30:45,149 these, those two donations make it. And rss.com comes in with 1317 01:30:45,149 --> 01:30:48,449 donations a lot that are big, those donations make it to where 1318 01:30:48,809 --> 01:30:52,229 we don't have to eat up every single bit of what we're doing 1319 01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:57,719 with to cover the overhead the fees, the hosting fees, and 1320 01:30:57,779 --> 01:31:02,399 lightning node and all that stuff. It allows us to have the 1321 01:31:02,429 --> 01:31:06,779 extra to put in the bank for the for the future. And that that'd 1322 01:31:06,779 --> 01:31:12,899 be we, me and Adam and I don't take any distributions. So 1323 01:31:12,899 --> 01:31:14,819 everything just stays in the business. That's why we talk 1324 01:31:14,819 --> 01:31:17,639 about like, we're an LLC, I don't have it worse in other 1325 01:31:17,639 --> 01:31:20,609 countries, but an LLC in the United States is a pass through. 1326 01:31:20,819 --> 01:31:23,909 So that means when the company gets money that goes on your 1327 01:31:23,909 --> 01:31:27,059 personal tax return, even if you don't, even if it's still in the 1328 01:31:27,059 --> 01:31:29,969 bank and you never saw it, so we never see a dime but we still 1329 01:31:29,969 --> 01:31:34,139 pay taxes on it. Anyway, this repeat really appreciates the 1330 01:31:34,140 --> 01:31:39,900 podcasting 2.0 vow of poverty, Dave. Embrace it, embrace it. 1331 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:46,410 I did get to claim about three grand of expenses on my taxes 1332 01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:47,520 though, goes to Bitcoin. 1333 01:31:48,030 --> 01:31:53,070 Yeah, no, you definitely get to deduct cool stuff. 1334 01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:56,760 Yeah, so that that saved me a lot of money on taxes, but I 1335 01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:04,740 still wasn't no, like 700 bucks. Yeah. ephors. Ever Ralphie 1336 01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:07,440 Ralphie gave us $11.11 1337 01:32:07,470 --> 01:32:12,510 Ah, Rofi from Comcast coverage. Yep. Thank you, man. 1338 01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:16,140 He's full. He says we are the all powerful diesel fueled 1339 01:32:16,140 --> 01:32:20,010 freight train of freedom. coming through, keep it lit brothers. 1340 01:32:20,010 --> 01:32:21,150 Lots of love. Ralphie. 1341 01:32:21,870 --> 01:32:24,270 This podcast is live live item tag. 1342 01:32:24,930 --> 01:32:27,900 I love it. That's a good, that's a good acronym. I'm diggin that. 1343 01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:36,090 All right, we got some loose. Yeah. Now, this was extremely 1344 01:32:36,090 --> 01:32:43,020 confusing, because we had all those comments mixed in here. 1345 01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:45,480 And you did a lot of cleanup. And I'm hoping I did it right. 1346 01:32:46,140 --> 01:32:48,990 Because we had to merge two different two different sets of 1347 01:32:48,990 --> 01:32:49,860 boosts in here. 1348 01:32:50,130 --> 01:32:54,180 Just so what I did was anything that I could see appeared as a 1349 01:32:54,180 --> 01:32:59,370 comment. And that was not specifically posted as a comment 1350 01:32:59,370 --> 01:33:03,600 as a booster gram, which I think was none of them. We just were 1351 01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,310 leaving out. Most of them were 101 SATs for some reason, or 100 1352 01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:08,850 SATs. 1353 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,970 That seemed to be a consistent value. Yeah, yeah. 1354 01:33:13,530 --> 01:33:18,630 So and it didn't matter if what what who was saying what? For 1355 01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:21,450 against positive negative? We just left all of those out. 1356 01:33:22,530 --> 01:33:25,980 Yeah. Because this is boosted ramps. 1357 01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:30,360 Yep. Yeah. It was not an easy process. 1358 01:33:31,650 --> 01:33:34,470 Stephen, he says again, I thought you guys were doing this 1359 01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:35,850 to make curry rich. 1360 01:33:36,060 --> 01:33:38,520 Yeah, we're gonna do I'm gonna talk about that next time. 1361 01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:43,290 That's, that's my pet peeve of this is nuts. Okay, back to 1362 01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:49,050 booster grams. Macintosh gave us 100 SAS. And he says, Thanks for 1363 01:33:49,050 --> 01:33:52,260 all you're doing. Thanks for all you're doing you to rock. Thank 1364 01:33:52,260 --> 01:33:52,620 you. Thank 1365 01:33:52,620 --> 01:33:55,350 you very much. We feel like we rock today. Yeah, 1366 01:33:55,860 --> 01:34:03,120 rock, rock edge, boost boost. Braun of London 1948 19 1948 1367 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,510 SAS. He's, uh, He's liking that. By far the hardest part of my 1368 01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:09,270 relearning to code has been my experience setting up dev 1369 01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:11,340 environments. But once you get it, it works. Great. 1370 01:34:11,610 --> 01:34:16,050 Yeah, thank you. And thank you for so I have not I did not dive 1371 01:34:16,050 --> 01:34:19,410 into the into the dev environment yet. Daniel J. I'm 1372 01:34:19,410 --> 01:34:25,170 going to just we just got really busy with stuff. But I don't 1373 01:34:25,170 --> 01:34:30,270 want to stop the review of the new site. So I'll figure this 1374 01:34:30,270 --> 01:34:30,660 out. 1375 01:34:32,190 --> 01:34:37,770 See, oh, cotton gin. 3333 sets their carrier castering He says 1376 01:34:37,770 --> 01:34:40,530 we did it. pew. Pew. Y'all are awesome. I love you. Thanks. 1377 01:34:42,990 --> 01:34:47,670 Thanks, cotton gin. Appreciate that brother and hope Stephen B. 1378 01:34:48,210 --> 01:34:54,180 Says March 20 2018, march 2022. So we're a little bit late on 1379 01:34:54,180 --> 01:34:58,680 this. He says Hey, Adam, can you wish my son Jack 12th birthday. 1380 01:34:58,709 --> 01:35:01,769 Oh, we did that one. We did that week. So these were these were 1381 01:35:01,769 --> 01:35:05,189 all live. I also left all the ones we did live because we read 1382 01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:06,569 them on the on the show. 1383 01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:12,510 No. So you already did the birthday. Yeah. Okay. I don't I 1384 01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:13,560 have no recollection of 1385 01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,860 that. Yeah, no, I, you know, this is this is a problem with 1386 01:35:16,860 --> 01:35:21,720 me. I remember some things so specifically, I can remember 1387 01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,740 something from eight years ago, like read details. And I always 1388 01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:27,180 remember the the notes. 1389 01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:30,960 I don't I mean, like, it's like, I wasn't even there. I have no, 1390 01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:34,410 it's okay. I remember I read it. So that's another reason why. 1391 01:35:34,980 --> 01:35:38,970 Okay, well, did you read this one from Chad Pharaoh says yay, 1392 01:35:38,970 --> 01:35:39,570 Gigi. 1393 01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:40,350 Yes, 1394 01:35:41,130 --> 01:35:47,310 he did. Okay, well, maybe let's see. What about this one? Pew 1395 01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:49,140 pew mofos the features here 1396 01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:51,810 I don't remember that. So I like it. 1397 01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:55,050 That was 50,000 SATs from PTR 1398 01:35:55,620 --> 01:36:03,150 Yes, we did do that one. Oh when I was doing the list I took all 1399 01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:04,800 those out and you merge them back in? 1400 01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:10,470 I did I saw see this this so you can go to hold on a second 1401 01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:13,320 because I also I just avoid that at all together. 1402 01:36:14,250 --> 01:36:18,810 No, no, no, no, no see, but I did them. I did them in reverse 1403 01:36:18,810 --> 01:36:19,260 order. 1404 01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:24,000 Okay, I know that this one was on your list. This is good. 1405 01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:31,320 Cotton Gin 22 to 22 he Magus row of ducks. Go podcasting 1406 01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:32,310 exclamation point. 1407 01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:35,490 Yes. Now here's the interesting Yes, first of all, let me get 1408 01:36:35,490 --> 01:36:41,580 you some ducks there brother. I have cotton gin tu tu tu tu tu 1409 01:36:41,610 --> 01:36:45,480 curio caster and all I got is to go podcasting. I think that's 1410 01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:50,340 because of the export. I don't have the fixed export. Yeah, I 1411 01:36:50,340 --> 01:36:51,450 got I gotta push that up. 1412 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,180 Now did you get Dred Scott 35,690 Yeah, I don't know 1413 01:36:57,180 --> 01:36:59,400 anything in podcasting. 1414 01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,940 Oh, yes. I get though. Yes, yes, I did get them 1415 01:37:02,970 --> 01:37:04,380 and then I also have 1416 01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:09,000 you know, you're doing my bit. Oh, I'm sorry. He messed me up 1417 01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:09,120 all 1418 01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:14,850 right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. I got a got away. Got away 1419 01:37:14,850 --> 01:37:18,600 from me. It got away from me. It is a disaster. curse you. 1420 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:19,980 Comment Barrow. 1421 01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:25,350 Chad Pharaoh says I've never rolled the dice in the bathroom 1422 01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:27,870 but I have in the living room alone with the curtains closed. 1423 01:37:30,420 --> 01:37:32,040 You never know who could be watching 1424 01:37:36,270 --> 01:37:41,250 Yeah, man, that's the best one. Badass booster Graham. 1425 01:37:42,750 --> 01:37:46,830 Roy. Oh Roy's Yeah, Elon baller boost 1426 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,990 Ed forth. I love ROI. I love ROI. You know, this is how this 1427 01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:56,250 one you and I were talking to ROI a couple of weeks ago. And 1428 01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:59,400 the end whenever Dave and I are on with somebody I always say 1429 01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,770 you know It's so disappointing. The Bitcoin industry doesn't do 1430 01:38:01,770 --> 01:38:03,570 shit for us they never donate 1431 01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:09,210 I remember that. I did I was there and I remember that unlike 1432 01:38:09,210 --> 01:38:12,300 these boosts that I don't remember. I do remember that 1433 01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:13,470 comment for some reason 1434 01:38:13,499 --> 01:38:16,499 and then Roy immediately he gets it he's like yeah, should I 1435 01:38:16,499 --> 01:38:18,839 should be boosted This is bullshit. Thank you very much. 1436 01:38:18,839 --> 01:38:21,929 And he has Gigi is King a little crown emoji? 1437 01:38:22,499 --> 01:38:26,819 Yes, he does. 34,321 754321 1438 01:38:26,850 --> 01:38:30,300 beautiful number that's your number. Now that that is now the 1439 01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:36,060 the breeze boost you're locking him in 321 is beautiful. He is 1440 01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:37,770 the only one I've seen do that so far. 1441 01:38:38,490 --> 01:38:42,330 The aforementioned drips got boost of 35,696 with the 1442 01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:50,850 fountain app says boost go podcasting Thank you drip and 1443 01:38:50,850 --> 01:38:55,830 air statica falls that follows that up with 2376 through 1444 01:38:55,830 --> 01:39:02,220 fountain ad says I love boosting for Bitcoin boost Thank you Eric 1445 01:39:03,630 --> 01:39:08,790 drips go now these are these printed out double on my page so 1446 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,610 it's this is why I was so concerned about about you 1447 01:39:11,610 --> 01:39:14,250 getting out of my out of my sequence because I'm sorry I'm 1448 01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:19,050 so sorry. Able to get back on No. Mary Oscar Mary. sent us 1449 01:39:19,050 --> 01:39:20,100 1000 SATs and you just as 1450 01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:21,540 boost yo. 1451 01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:29,280 Macintosh though we already read him I'm so screwed up this Do 1452 01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,600 you see these? See what this is why I should not be given Adam 1453 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,320 advice on how to build a podcast or show prep software 1454 01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:39,570 or how to do a spreadsheet or how to 1455 01:39:39,570 --> 01:39:48,480 do a spreadsheet? Yes. Okay. SC OTT God sent us 20,420 SATs and 1456 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,720 he says hello guys testing the boost through breeze puff puff 1457 01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:53,970 pass. Not sure what name comes through. 1458 01:39:56,370 --> 01:39:57,240 What came through 1459 01:39:57,870 --> 01:39:59,310 SC OTT 1460 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,050 that works perfectly. 1461 01:40:02,580 --> 01:40:03,510 Said Dale. 1462 01:40:04,799 --> 01:40:09,539 He did. He did puff puff pass. puff puff pass. 1463 01:40:09,570 --> 01:40:11,040 No, I forgot we had a jingle 1464 01:40:12,630 --> 01:40:16,170 it's not a jingle This is an external microphone inserted 1465 01:40:16,170 --> 01:40:17,580 directly into my bong. 1466 01:40:18,150 --> 01:40:21,510 Okay, at the bottom is it a? You got a bung hole at the bottom? I 1467 01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:25,560 put this mic in cartoner Bongbong hole. 1468 01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,430 Okay, Dave Jones. Okay, stop before we kill again. 1469 01:40:29,699 --> 01:40:35,429 Dale 2222 says I love supporting podcasts with Satoshis. I 1470 01:40:35,429 --> 01:40:38,369 listened to a few other independent podcasts, but that I 1471 01:40:38,369 --> 01:40:41,759 currently support via Patreon. I was wondering if you have any 1472 01:40:41,759 --> 01:40:44,279 advice and resources to share with them so they can get 1473 01:40:44,279 --> 01:40:47,219 started on accepting lightning payments to assume zero 1474 01:40:47,219 --> 01:40:49,109 knowledge of the cryptocurrency world 1475 01:40:50,130 --> 01:40:52,110 value for value.io. 1476 01:40:54,450 --> 01:40:58,830 There you go. Simple as that. Thank you, Dale. Appreciate it. 1477 01:40:58,830 --> 01:41:03,450 Man. Merci. Oscar Mary, came back again with 1000 SATs. He 1478 01:41:03,450 --> 01:41:06,360 says, Adam, you were right. We should have been showing 1479 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,120 comments from the social interact tag here. I think we 1480 01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,190 might have taken the running with scissors, he throws a bit 1481 01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:14,940 too far. Although for what it is worth, there was a beta version 1482 01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:17,100 of this available for two weeks, and we only received good 1483 01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:22,110 feedback. So that's, I think that was a comment, but I wrote 1484 01:41:22,530 --> 01:41:26,130 read it out anyway. Because, yeah, explanation. 1485 01:41:26,340 --> 01:41:29,460 Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't know there was a beta and 1486 01:41:30,990 --> 01:41:35,760 doesn't matter. I can't I can't test everything. Well, and 1487 01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,460 that that's also a good point about open source projects is 1488 01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:41,340 just because it's open source doesn't mean just because it's 1489 01:41:41,340 --> 01:41:43,440 open doesn't mean people are looking at it, you know, 1490 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:46,650 thoroughly. And, and that is always going to be an Achilles 1491 01:41:46,650 --> 01:41:50,820 heel of open source is that sometimes, sometimes he will not 1492 01:41:50,820 --> 01:41:52,080 put our balls on it when the game 1493 01:41:52,140 --> 01:41:57,990 ends. And if I may, just so I just saw, this kind of goes back 1494 01:41:57,990 --> 01:42:03,570 to my point. If you have a feature, and you want to test 1495 01:42:03,570 --> 01:42:08,460 that feature, you know, maybe send me an email and say, hey, I 1496 01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:10,710 want to test this feature. And by the way, if you'd like it, 1497 01:42:10,710 --> 01:42:16,380 could you talk about it? To leaving me out? Yes, it might 1498 01:42:16,380 --> 01:42:23,460 have caused me to raise questions about it. But it also, 1499 01:42:24,420 --> 01:42:26,640 you know, don't hesitate. I would say, 1500 01:42:27,180 --> 01:42:30,270 Well, he did post it on the Mastadon. I mean, it was there. 1501 01:42:30,810 --> 01:42:34,590 No, I know I understand. But this goes right back to it. 1502 01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,930 Okay, let's say this is a great feature. It's perfect. You want 1503 01:42:39,930 --> 01:42:42,780 people to use it. Why wouldn't you reach out to a couple of 1504 01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:46,410 podcasters with a large audience and ask them to use it? Oh, it's 1505 01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:49,500 just posting on a mastodon is not a guarantee. It's it's like 1506 01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:51,750 where's your ask? It's the same thing. 1507 01:42:52,170 --> 01:42:54,690 See what you're saying? Yeah. That makes Yeah, that makes 1508 01:42:54,690 --> 01:42:56,070 sense. It okay. 1509 01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:58,710 I'm not Joe Rogan. I have a 10th of his audience. Maybe a little 1510 01:42:58,710 --> 01:43:06,810 more. Would you consider asking Joe Rogan to try it out? That's 1511 01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:07,320 my point. 1512 01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:13,950 Cast peatland. 100 once asked, and he says a nice show. Thanks. 1513 01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:20,400 Thank you. Yes. Hard Hat 11,011 sets to Curia. castering says 1514 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,450 I'm spewing SATs, 1515 01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:26,190 rolling the dice spewing SATs. Yeah, we hear Yeah. 1516 01:43:27,390 --> 01:43:31,290 Be my brown mozzie 101 SATs and he says Don't just stand there 1517 01:43:31,290 --> 01:43:34,560 boost for the BTC conversation with a GG Don't just stand 1518 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:41,760 there. Boost. Oh, John's BRT says 101 says he says balance 1519 01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,730 comment. Oh, that was a comment. Well, what the balance was 1520 01:43:44,730 --> 01:43:45,060 coming. 1521 01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:51,330 Yeah. How big was it? 101 said so because you know, even though 1522 01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:56,070 we talked about it, Alex Gates did indeed. Do a he did a 1523 01:43:57,330 --> 01:44:01,320 balance. Boost. Yeah, his app was bash boost. Oh, is that bash 1524 01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:01,950 boost? 1525 01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,540 Yeah, that's the that the CLI one of the command one of the 1526 01:44:06,540 --> 01:44:07,410 command line tools 1527 01:44:07,860 --> 01:44:13,440 giving myself so. And so he sent 250,000 sets 1528 01:44:14,190 --> 01:44:18,300 of Alex. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that was during the show. Yeah, just 1529 01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:21,270 yeah, just the bounce. I just wanted to just want to bring it 1530 01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:23,490 up again. I thought it was bad as 1531 01:44:23,820 --> 01:44:26,790 Alex said he hand wrote it. He wrote that whole I guess he 1532 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,490 wrote the TLV and everything but Oh, really? 1533 01:44:29,490 --> 01:44:31,920 Just on one line? No. 1534 01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:33,870 No, you can do it. You 1535 01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:41,550 just got the ball? Basketball, basketball, or is what that is 1536 01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:42,330 you kidding me? 1537 01:44:42,930 --> 01:44:47,610 Look in the look in the hell had a burrito. And there's an 1538 01:44:47,610 --> 01:44:50,730 example of how to how to send a one liner the command to do a 1539 01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:51,660 whole thing. Yeah. 1540 01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,310 That's pretty cool. That's one of those things you want to do. 1541 01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:02,520 You know, bang whatever. No just or just up arrow all the time. 1542 01:45:02,610 --> 01:45:03,300 That's funny, 1543 01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,840 don't ya history grip Ellen CLR 1544 01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:11,430 Yes, history history. grep is my favorite. Don't just 1545 01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,600 see by now that's already read that. Oh, amen. I'm got me on 1546 01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:20,190 the wrong page. Let's see, Dred Scott 10,035 sets and he says 1547 01:45:20,610 --> 01:45:24,720 one more than Darrin and two more than CSB boost. Yeah. I 1548 01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:25,260 like this. 1549 01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:27,300 We read that one too. 1550 01:45:27,930 --> 01:45:33,600 We did last week. Wait, the date on that is the date on that is 1551 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:43,320 18. March the 19th? At 4:03pm? Huh. Curious, interesting. 1552 01:45:43,950 --> 01:45:46,890 I remember I remember the one more than Darren maybe someone 1553 01:45:46,890 --> 01:45:47,970 else did that as well. 1554 01:45:48,090 --> 01:45:50,940 Oh, I think that was somebody else. Yeah, that's because that 1555 01:45:50,940 --> 01:45:55,080 was CSB. See, I did one more than Darrin and then now now 1556 01:45:56,160 --> 01:46:00,660 drab is doing one more than Decius baby so as to more than a 1557 01:46:01,110 --> 01:46:08,430 couple of things here. We have we have new T shirts. Which now 1558 01:46:08,430 --> 01:46:12,510 the the podcasting 2.0 certified t shirt is only available for 1559 01:46:12,510 --> 01:46:18,000 donors. And what is $125 we put a new limit on this for the 1560 01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,080 shipping and handling. 1561 01:46:19,110 --> 01:46:22,680 Yeah, because the shipping is very expensive, expensive and 1562 01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,020 it's a better quality t shirt and costing us more 1563 01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:28,680 podcast index dot shop. And there's also some other fine 1564 01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,810 products they're putting together that's the no agenda 1565 01:46:30,810 --> 01:46:34,920 shop team. And and we have no contracts or anything we just 1566 01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,980 order order the T shirts from them and anything else they do 1567 01:46:37,980 --> 01:46:41,190 that that they make money on those those send a donation in. 1568 01:46:41,850 --> 01:46:45,840 Like are you even in the index, bro, which still makes me laugh 1569 01:46:47,940 --> 01:46:52,800 It's very fun. And was there something else? Oh, no, that was 1570 01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:54,330 that was the main thing I want to say about that. 1571 01:46:55,620 --> 01:46:59,610 Let's see. 101 says greetings from the road from Nomad Joe 1572 01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,270 Jones. Greetings careful man don't don't boost while driving. 1573 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:08,460 Sir bill says I can confirm I'm not drips got boost. 1574 01:47:09,900 --> 01:47:12,330 Yes, identity confirmed. 1575 01:47:12,900 --> 01:47:18,900 That rumor has been squashed in vif this in for Vieques says 1576 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:24,420 boosting episode 78 from pod friend boost. Boost 500 cents. 1577 01:47:24,510 --> 01:47:30,000 Thank you thank you in for VX. Mere Mortals podcast button one 1578 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:37,500 sets and he says he says he says I'm more of an open air deicers 1579 01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:40,440 you know what I mean? I feel like the shape and form of the 1580 01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:43,800 dice are a natural thing. It shouldn't be hidden away. I'm 1581 01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,220 actually thinking of joining a nudist dice colony to free 1582 01:47:47,220 --> 01:47:51,660 myself from the shackles of societal stigma boost 1583 01:47:54,270 --> 01:47:55,710 their dicer okay, 1584 01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:02,070 and you're nuts do love them. I love their show Bowie 101 sets 1585 01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:06,780 through fountain from Oh also from Karen and I don't Did you 1586 01:48:06,780 --> 01:48:08,430 see this? I don't know yet announced wonder 1587 01:48:08,430 --> 01:48:11,910 shows wound are shown. No no, that doesn't what it says it 1588 01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:15,840 Yeah, Buddha shown. I gotta it's some for some reason it came in 1589 01:48:17,550 --> 01:48:18,990 the Unicode Yeah, the 1590 01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:22,290 UN code didn't work. So I'm seeing a backslash and then two 1591 01:48:22,290 --> 01:48:25,470 O's with a use as an OOM loud, so I'm going to save Wondershare 1592 01:48:25,470 --> 01:48:27,720 in which means Beautiful. Okay, so 1593 01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:32,490 there's one wonder tion is under shown shown Wonderstone that 1594 01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:35,550 Wonderstone there GG if 1595 01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,880 I also didn't get their GG part only got Wondershare 1596 01:48:39,329 --> 01:48:45,119 I guess I may have just insulted GG into no end with without 1597 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:46,049 intention. So I thought 1598 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:47,490 I think he's fine. 1599 01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:54,480 And the delimiter CSB comes through blogger for 15,033 says 1600 01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:59,040 through cast ematic and he says howdy podcasting 2.0 team. Oh, 1601 01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:03,180 that's that's sort of text and how they podcast 2.0 team and 1602 01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,660 your listeners are invited to a bi weekly podcast named ai ai 1603 01:49:06,690 --> 01:49:10,140 cooking, spoken by Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from 1604 01:49:10,140 --> 01:49:14,190 kin new episode 27 dropping this weekend yo 1605 01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:19,260 yo boost boost boosts. Then we have a couple of fresh boosts 1606 01:49:19,260 --> 01:49:25,110 from the live from the lit from our from our lit podcast. We 1607 01:49:25,110 --> 01:49:30,210 just got a couple of 333 boosts in a row then we have 3332 from 1608 01:49:30,210 --> 01:49:37,620 cotton gin who says go podcasting 500 SAS from Sir Sean 1609 01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:44,220 of Allegheny Valley no note there sir Spencer 1009 SATs and 1610 01:49:44,220 --> 01:49:49,740 Sir Spencer says 3% is not an outrageous free fee. If it's not 1611 01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:56,460 a lightning routing fee. lol Oh lol come on you silly dog. I 1612 01:49:56,460 --> 01:50:00,840 love that we we can disagree and we still love humor. called acid 1613 01:50:00,900 --> 01:50:05,070 it's our duty to boost he says 333 Then we have a boob from 1614 01:50:05,070 --> 01:50:09,810 blueberry 808 Thanks again day for swapping our feed for BTS to 1615 01:50:09,810 --> 01:50:12,990 the new one armed with a live tag in one hand and a pair of 1616 01:50:12,990 --> 01:50:16,620 scissors in the other. This is a new live son of a bitch 1617 01:50:16,770 --> 01:50:17,520 i like it 1618 01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:18,660 what is BTS? 1619 01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:21,870 Oh like that? What is what 1620 01:50:21,900 --> 01:50:24,780 what is BTS? That was the name of the show BTS was it stand 1621 01:50:24,780 --> 01:50:30,150 behind this game behind force 3333 from Sir Spencer, able 1622 01:50:30,150 --> 01:50:32,640 Kirby and I will be evangelizing, evangelizing 1623 01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,720 podcasting 2.0 and other digital content over value for value at 1624 01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,650 the Kansas City Bitcoin block party in Westport and April 24 1625 01:50:41,010 --> 01:50:45,030 There'll be music food, live music food and drink and vendors 1626 01:50:45,060 --> 01:50:48,900 all selling their wares exclusively in Bitcoin oh there 1627 01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:53,190 you go. Thank you very much. Excellent it's kind of 1628 01:50:53,190 --> 01:50:56,160 interesting if this if this was posted as a comment it would be 1629 01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:57,360 seen as advertising 1630 01:50:59,610 --> 01:51:01,230 it is advertising I know 1631 01:51:01,260 --> 01:51:04,140 but it's not it's a booster Graham it's part of the deal. 1632 01:51:05,790 --> 01:51:09,960 You get to you get to skirt and you get to shade you get to hide 1633 01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:10,650 in the shade. 1634 01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,680 Yeah, we can be pretty open about it. I got an across one 1635 01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:19,170 kind of problem with that 3369 From NATO's doing my duty 1636 01:51:19,170 --> 01:51:23,790 boosting for humanity. And let's see we had another from cotton 1637 01:51:23,790 --> 01:51:31,890 gin 3333 were lit fire emoji. And we did have a couple more I 1638 01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:36,390 see here. I got a couple more 200 from Sir Allegheny sir Sean 1639 01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:40,080 of the Allegheny Valley boosting again and his 1000 SATs for his 1640 01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:44,700 first first boost. I think he just figured it out. And then we 1641 01:51:44,700 --> 01:51:53,160 have cold acid 33 333 So 33,333 SATs we are still looking for 1642 01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,730 translators and beta testers for podcast generator generator 1643 01:51:56,730 --> 01:52:04,680 three.to Visit trans effects.com/podcast-generators/podcast.test 1644 01:52:04,710 --> 01:52:09,660 generator that's got to be wrong also github.com/podcast 1645 01:52:09,660 --> 01:52:13,290 generator it's something that must be something with the how 1646 01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:16,980 he did that is a command line boost I think he I think he 1647 01:52:16,980 --> 01:52:20,670 doubled that anyway this is where it would be handy to 1648 01:52:20,670 --> 01:52:24,120 surface this little button click I'm clicking on the button that 1649 01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,440 surfaces this booster GRAHAM 1650 01:52:25,470 --> 01:52:28,680 Well, it'll be he put in showed us that link in the shin. Yeah, 1651 01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:29,040 I will. 1652 01:52:29,070 --> 01:52:32,670 But I'm just I'm just realizing that something that I always 1653 01:52:32,670 --> 01:52:39,630 want when when when we're doing no agenda and someone says he 1654 01:52:39,630 --> 01:52:43,500 put this link in so I have to remember that I have to go back 1655 01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:47,430 copied from the spreadsheet put it into the show notes. Whereas 1656 01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:54,090 if I could just click on a on a on a boost and it then became 1657 01:52:55,260 --> 01:53:00,270 part of the show notes or just pub or just public I mean even 1658 01:53:00,270 --> 01:53:01,170 if it's just public 1659 01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:09,000 the he said call this How about this called as a horrible 1660 01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:14,760 horrible Eric. That's is Chris barbaric. And he says that is 1661 01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:19,140 right. The URL www dot trans effects comm slash podcast dash 1662 01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:22,230 generator slash podcast best generator. Oh, that's it. Oh, 1663 01:53:22,230 --> 01:53:27,900 really? Okay. Yeah. Oh, he said I nailed it. Down. All right. 1664 01:53:27,900 --> 01:53:30,540 I should. I was already editing it. Okay, you got it. I'll put 1665 01:53:30,540 --> 01:53:31,320 it in the show notes. 1666 01:53:32,249 --> 01:53:33,539 We get some month lease. 1667 01:53:33,660 --> 01:53:37,890 Yes. Thank you all very much, everybody for producing, 1668 01:53:38,130 --> 01:53:39,450 boosting for humanity. 1669 01:53:41,850 --> 01:53:45,270 Boost for human. I can't get that. I can't not hear that. 1670 01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:51,420 Keith Gibson $50 Thank you, Keith. Pod news. $50. Thank you. 1671 01:53:51,420 --> 01:53:51,570 Thank 1672 01:53:51,570 --> 01:53:52,410 you very much, James. 1673 01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:56,400 Thank you very much, James. Appreciate that. Paul Paul 1674 01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:02,820 Erskine $11.14 Dwayne Goldy $8. Michael Gagan $5 Charles current 1675 01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:08,820 $5 Yeah. Cone glotzbach $5 Christopher Raymer $10 James 1676 01:54:08,820 --> 01:54:14,070 Sullivan $10 Sean McCune $20 Thank you Shawn Jordan dunville 1677 01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:18,360 $10 and Stu coats $6.66 Thank you everybody. 1678 01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:22,350 Yes. Listen to you man. Like a little DJ there. Thank you for 1679 01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:25,710 hanging around for my show. 1680 01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:30,420 You do have a good DJ named Dave Jones rockin Z 100 Dave Jones in 1681 01:54:30,420 --> 01:54:31,710 the morning with you everybody. How you doing? 1682 01:54:36,060 --> 01:54:37,590 For 230 We're gonna start the mix. 1683 01:54:37,950 --> 01:54:41,370 See, see he can do it. Ladies and gentlemen. I knew it. I knew 1684 01:54:41,370 --> 01:54:44,100 it. Did you do college radio? No, 1685 01:54:44,340 --> 01:54:45,360 I didn't do college. 1686 01:54:47,940 --> 01:54:52,680 Here we are. To value for value college dropouts. Hello Steve 1687 01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,540 Jobs and was 1688 01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:58,470 at four different majors and then called it a quit 1689 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,980 Once was running the station and called it quits. Alright 1690 01:55:04,980 --> 01:55:07,380 brother, so we'll figure it out. Maybe do it Thursday night for 1691 01:55:07,380 --> 01:55:10,080 the next board meeting just to get one in before I go on the 1692 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,650 vacation. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, perfect. All right, man. 1693 01:55:13,650 --> 01:55:15,960 Have a great weekend. It was. Thank you so much, Dave. I 1694 01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:20,010 really appreciate just chatting this shit through with you. And 1695 01:55:20,010 --> 01:55:21,000 I hope everyone else did. 1696 01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:24,210 Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, yeah, well, we'll hit one 1697 01:55:24,210 --> 01:55:25,290 Thursday night. Always love it. 1698 01:55:25,410 --> 01:55:27,540 Okay. All right, everybody. That's it for our board meeting 1699 01:55:27,540 --> 01:55:30,720 podcasting. 2.0 We will return next week, maybe a little bit 1700 01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:35,040 early. Please join us for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0. 1701 01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:55,200 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts 1702 01:55:55,230 --> 01:55:57,750 index.com For more information