Episode 82: Ranking the Stars

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,940 Oh, podcasting 2.0 For April 22 2022, episode 82 we're 2 00:00:05,940 --> 00:00:14,190 ranking the stars. Hey, everybody. After a short hiatus, 3 00:00:14,190 --> 00:00:17,190 we're back with the official board meeting of podcasting. 4 00:00:17,190 --> 00:00:19,500 2.0. You want to know what's going on with the podcast 5 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:22,680 standards, formerly known as the namespace? What's happening in 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,340 podcast? index.org? And most importantly, what's going on? 7 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:28,860 What are we talking about a podcast index dot social, the 8 00:00:28,860 --> 00:00:32,460 future and current developments of podcasting. I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:34,830 here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. 10 00:00:34,830 --> 00:00:37,740 He's back and we'll hear why he was gone. My friend on the other 11 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:40,200 end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:42,450 --> 00:00:47,400 I tried to find a clip. This was from like, I don't know. 2025 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,290 episodes ago. Yeah. When I said, I think I made the statement 14 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:56,910 that that I had just right before the show, and watched my 15 00:00:56,910 --> 00:00:59,940 son drive away on his motorcycle, and then I was 16 00:00:59,940 --> 00:01:00,720 terrified. 17 00:01:00,750 --> 00:01:04,860 I remember that I remember that. It would be in the episode 18 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:06,360 though. It's not a clip that we have separate, 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,260 right? Yes. I think it was like right at the beginning of the of 20 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:12,780 the episode. Yeah. Well, of course in a mid 21 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,600 everybody hates their kid on this on two wheels with an 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,650 engine my daughter's forbidden. I told her very early on I said 23 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:24,540 you never ever ever get on an in or on anything that has less 24 00:01:24,540 --> 00:01:27,960 than four wheels. And if there's an issue you call me I will send 25 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:28,470 a limo. 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,460 Whether it's intentionally less than four wheels, or by 27 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:33,720 accident, either way, 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,370 either way. Either way. Those are the limits and and she all 29 00:01:38,370 --> 00:01:41,250 by herself decided hot air balloons were also off limits 30 00:01:41,250 --> 00:01:44,130 because she rejected one of those because she knows I said, 31 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:47,580 Hey, hot air balloons. You're basically controlled crash when 32 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:50,310 you're landing so I don't like those either. So 33 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:53,640 if you have to explain the hot air balloon thing to your kid, 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,540 then there's no there's more. 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,620 So you bring this up? Yes, 36 00:01:58,710 --> 00:02:02,910 I bring this up because Wednesday, last Wednesday 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,160 afternoon I get a call from somebody from froze some of 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,680 somebody's using my wife's phone who is not my wife, which was 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,540 problems all was always weird. 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,190 Uh, yes. Pick up pick it up. I'm like, I'm like hey in this like, 41 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,730 Dave this is you know, and it's her one of her co workers she's 42 00:02:20,730 --> 00:02:25,230 a teacher. Your son has been in an accident and I think we think 43 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:29,910 his leg is broken and but and I was like, Oh my God. Yeah, and 44 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:31,860 so freaking out and 45 00:02:31,890 --> 00:02:34,740 you're at work at this point. Right? And this is yes. And this 46 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:40,020 is just before this is the most busiest time of the year. You 47 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:43,680 got you got accountants like can't fight again can't can't 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,160 figure out their password capslock yes all current can't 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,280 print can't for a bit that's number one. Isn't it can't print 50 00:02:50,310 --> 00:02:51,180 Oh, yeah. Oh, that's always 51 00:02:51,179 --> 00:02:56,759 number one. Yeah. So she was like we don't know much we're 52 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:58,859 trying to figure out what's going on we they're taking him 53 00:02:58,859 --> 00:03:01,499 to the hospital right now and but I don't even know where to 54 00:03:01,499 --> 00:03:02,909 tell you to go and so I was like, 55 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,070 was not helpful. 56 00:03:05,370 --> 00:03:09,360 Yeah, she she was like, Give me Give me one minute and I'll call 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,880 you right back once I found out so 58 00:03:12,570 --> 00:03:15,450 now you're just sitting there counting the counting the SEC 59 00:03:15,450 --> 00:03:18,930 Yes. She calls me back. It's like they're going to UAB which 60 00:03:18,930 --> 00:03:21,810 is a hospital here in Birmingham. Very great hospital. 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,530 Fantastic. It's like the it's like the third and busiest 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,140 trauma unit. Emergency Room. 63 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:30,780 They fly him in the chopper. No, no. 64 00:03:32,550 --> 00:03:35,490 We live we live like three minutes from this Austin. 65 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:42,390 Still a valid chopper ride. He did get gypped 66 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:44,910 like MASH style where we're on the 67 00:03:46,290 --> 00:03:50,970 stretcher on the skid. Yeah. Look, I'm laughing but it's not 68 00:03:50,970 --> 00:03:52,860 funny. Of course at this point. You're prepping 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:04:00,000 for me. Yes, there we go. So I get I get over there and I mean, 70 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,960 it's just he's got he's got a broken right femur his he's got 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,420 cracked ribs and all the other stuff but just you know, Road 72 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:18,390 Rash and bumps and bruises but he's miraculously a you know, 73 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:23,250 his helmet worked all that kind of stuff. He he that's it. And 74 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:26,940 at the end of the day, he ended up with the broken femur and 75 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:30,450 cracked ribs. He had a punctured lung but that seems was sliding. 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,890 He's got to 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,520 but he's, it's gonna kind of be a road to recovery. 78 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:42,000 Can I ask you a few questions? Of course you can one what 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:42,570 happened? 80 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,560 Well, he was in a three. He was on a three lane. One way road. A 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,460 lot of one railroads in Birmingham, three lane. One way 82 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:59,100 going. He had just left school was was driving in the leftmost 83 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:03,360 lane. And a lady. 84 00:05:04,109 --> 00:05:07,259 I already know what happened. She didn't see him. She just 85 00:05:07,259 --> 00:05:09,269 went left and pushed him right off the road 86 00:05:09,659 --> 00:05:14,099 yet. Well, it was a little bit worse than that because she, she 87 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:19,770 has she backed up over him. I'm the guy you want in these 88 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:22,620 situations, Dave, I will make you laugh all day long. 89 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:27,270 This is why I did this while I wanted to do the show to make 90 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:29,910 you feel good. Yeah, my son's lived in literally and they're 91 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,190 laying on the couch and pain and I'm like, I'm doing the show 92 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:33,540 just so I can get feel better about myself. 93 00:05:34,140 --> 00:05:35,430 And you deserve it. 94 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:41,880 I deserve it that a yes. So he's he's in the left lane. She's in 95 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,540 the middle lane. So She evidently we don't know why yet 96 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:48,180 or anything like this. She, I guess, though, she's gonna miss 97 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:53,550 her turn didn't see him and just whips it across his lane into to 98 00:05:53,550 --> 00:05:57,720 make a left hand turn. And he and T boned. He, uh, he he 99 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,890 almost T bone. I mean, she, she just he hit the front of her car 100 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,670 and flipped over the hood landed a he went about 20 feet. Because 101 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:11,640 he was going about 40 And 102 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:14,430 that would be a record in the dwarf toss. That would be 103 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:15,270 fantastic. 104 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,870 It was a dwarf. 105 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:22,860 I mean, that's a real bad one that he's lucky didn't have you 106 00:06:22,860 --> 00:06:25,620 know, handlebars or something embedded into his crotch. You 107 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:26,820 know, this is this is what very 108 00:06:26,850 --> 00:06:31,230 he did. He did bruises. Oh, yeah, he's got bruises all in 109 00:06:31,230 --> 00:06:34,800 the in the hips and everything broken. The broken femur is 110 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,150 high. Right and right. 111 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,150 And that's the worst for this the worst? Probably the femur. 112 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,500 Yeah, they had so they put a titanium rod. Yeah. In the femur 113 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:47,670 went in from the knee. Oh, it's dude. Yeah. So yeah, 114 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,940 head operations. You had sleepless nights, but he's home 115 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:51,360 now. 116 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:56,220 So we we get Yeah, we get home like, Saturday night. We get 117 00:06:56,220 --> 00:07:00,270 home late Saturday night. And then then you're in you know, 118 00:07:00,270 --> 00:07:03,480 when you get home from something like that. When you're in the 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,450 hospital, we spent four days in the hospital. When your hospital 120 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:09,870 you're in? You know, you know this. You're in like, alternate 121 00:07:09,870 --> 00:07:14,730 reality mode. Yeah, totally. You lose all track of time. It's 122 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:17,190 like the it's like there is no world outside of what is 123 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:22,140 happening in your hospital room. Yeah. And so then we get home 124 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Saturday night, and it was like, then you have to learn how to 125 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:32,790 live with this new thing, right? Like this new reality. Yeah. So, 126 00:07:33,030 --> 00:07:37,230 okay. He can't walk. But he's got to get to the bathroom. He 127 00:07:37,230 --> 00:07:42,060 can't, you know, we have this big schedule of medications to 128 00:07:42,060 --> 00:07:44,820 give at certain times of day. So we're near we're trying to 129 00:07:44,820 --> 00:07:47,010 figure this so then the next you know, next couple of days are 130 00:07:47,010 --> 00:07:52,440 just figuring out this new routine. And then think it was 131 00:07:52,920 --> 00:08:00,150 Tuesday. Yeah. Tuesday night. He starts running a fever and and 132 00:08:00,150 --> 00:08:04,140 the pain the Tylenol pain meds don't stop it. And it's still 133 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:06,570 like one on one. And we're like, oh, god, he's got some kind of 134 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:10,380 infection infection. Yeah. So we're Oh, here we go. You know, 135 00:08:10,380 --> 00:08:14,400 so we go back, we go to the back to the emergency room, because 136 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,930 it's like 1030 at night. Back to the emergency room. We were 137 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:19,500 later on. 138 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:23,610 I feel so bad for you guys. I mean, we all went any parent has 139 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:27,390 been through versions of this maybe not as severe but oh, man, 140 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:28,230 this is shit. 141 00:08:28,620 --> 00:08:32,760 You know, it's the worst. And I told him before we go in. I'm 142 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,750 like, Look, man, I hate I'm so sorry to do this, but 143 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,320 something's wrong. You're taking you're taking the pain. You're 144 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,430 taking the fever reducer but you still got like a one to one 145 00:08:44,430 --> 00:08:47,400 fever. Man, we don't have a choice. This is going to I'm 146 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,030 telling you right now. This is gonna suck. We're going to be 147 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:56,880 there for probably six hours at least. But we just really don't 148 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,580 have a choice. We got a we got to find out what's going on. So 149 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:04,140 we we take him back. We were there until six o'clock the next 150 00:09:04,140 --> 00:09:09,450 morning. All night long. And they did all these tests just 151 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,140 blood cultures and everything us scans and everything you can 152 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:16,800 imagine couldn't find a single thing wrong with it. The only I 153 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,780 mean you know, except the obvious but right no infections 154 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:24,960 or whatever. So then, you know they the doctor finally came in 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,230 he's like, Man, I don't know the only thing I can think of is 156 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:34,350 maybe he picked up a virus when he was when he was here. I 157 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:39,180 really don't know he's like, just go back home and and keep 158 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:41,580 going just keep watching them and like keep giving him the 159 00:09:41,580 --> 00:09:45,960 Tylenol. So with that, that that was Tuesday night so we've we 160 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,410 finally kind of get back we got some sleep 161 00:09:49,410 --> 00:09:51,390 and he's stable and everything. 162 00:09:51,690 --> 00:09:54,510 Yeah, the fever seems to have gone down and they are going 163 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:57,840 back to normal and all that stuff. Yeah, it's just been a 164 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,930 great it's been like the last seven days. He's a bit nuts. 165 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:04,170 I need to ask you just a few more questions, and then I'll be 166 00:10:04,170 --> 00:10:08,220 done because now comes the parental questions. Yes. So at 167 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:12,480 any sort of FAD parents yes. At any point did your wife Melissa 168 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,980 did she say, I told you I told you should have never led? Was 169 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:18,090 there any of that going on? 170 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:23,670 None those words, but that was that was absolutely. 171 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:28,830 Okay. Now know. Is grant right your son grant? Yes, grant. So 172 00:10:28,830 --> 00:10:34,020 what? So you see him? And of course, he's like, I mean, so 173 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:36,480 where are we at with this future? motorcycle riding? I 174 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,170 guess is my question. 175 00:10:37,199 --> 00:10:41,639 There is no, there's no you don't have to. We did not have 176 00:10:41,669 --> 00:10:44,429 there. There was no parental Fiat. Yeah, it happened with 177 00:10:44,429 --> 00:10:47,819 that. He he volunteered that when he was like, I'm good. 178 00:10:47,849 --> 00:10:48,209 Good. 179 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,430 I feel so bad for him. And for everybody. That sucks. But you 180 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:57,600 know, we have you ever been a bike rider? A motorcycle rider? 181 00:10:57,630 --> 00:10:58,470 Oh, yeah, yeah, 182 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,120 I read a bike. I mean, I for years, 183 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:05,790 I I never broke any bones. But I got scars and still some gravel 184 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:09,180 in one of my elbows. We all have something from the two wheel 185 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:11,310 experience, you know? Yeah, 186 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:14,490 I did. I read bro dirt bikes when I was a teenager, and then 187 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:20,670 I rode on the road for three or four years. And then it's like, 188 00:11:20,670 --> 00:11:24,300 at some point, I looked at it and said, you know, this is darn 189 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,100 kids, three kids. 190 00:11:26,940 --> 00:11:30,360 Instead, let me get an old beat up truck that goes 35 miles an 191 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:30,750 hour. 192 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:34,499 As much, much more much better. Yes, yes. Yes. Much better, 193 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:38,610 by the way that that clip you sent me? It's zero bytes. 194 00:11:39,390 --> 00:11:41,640 Oh, cool. That's the one I wanted to send the one you can't 195 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,660 play. Just let 196 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:47,250 me know. Just let you know. Oh, man, I am I'm Well, I'm glad 197 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:51,240 he's okay. He'll remember this one for a long time. That's for 198 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,750 sure. 199 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:59,970 Yeah, it also has this weird. It had this weird effect where on 200 00:11:59,970 --> 00:12:05,190 me where I was thinking about how you're in the hospital 201 00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:10,800 alternate reality, I was just thinking about how, like, tight 202 00:12:11,220 --> 00:12:15,480 the schedule is, you know, like, all the things that I have to do 203 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,520 during the week. And how, what what little margin of error 204 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,560 there there is for probably six is a you know, we're I'm like 55 205 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:30,420 to 60 hours during tax season, at the at the day job in this. 206 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:32,730 So usually I do quite a lot of podcast stuff and lunch and at 207 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:38,670 night. And then we do the podcast on Fridays at noon on my 208 00:12:38,670 --> 00:12:44,970 lunch break. And then we have the kids in, in school and their 209 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,600 things of taking them back and forth. Not my youngest taking 210 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,020 her back and forth to all these different places. There is such 211 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:56,520 little margin of error when it comes to scheduling. And when 212 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,990 something like this happens, you're like, it just all 213 00:13:00,990 --> 00:13:04,050 philosophy, like falls apart. Yeah, yeah, I didn't like I 214 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:09,900 didn't even go to work for Oh, good, good, good. You know, when 215 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:11,760 you're when your kids laid up, it's like, there's just 216 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,920 everything's like, okay, everything grinds to a halt. 217 00:13:13,980 --> 00:13:14,640 Yeah. 218 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:21,240 Well, I was pleased to see that. Because of course, you checked 219 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240 out of everything and podcast index dot social conversation 220 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,570 did kind of continue. I was very curious to see now if Dave's not 221 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:31,860 there posting about stuff. He's doing what happens. And we can 222 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:34,740 always kind of count on Brian of London. When I wake up in the 223 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:38,130 morning. You know, there's gonna be 10 vine of London posts. 224 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:42,810 Yeah. All kinds of interesting stuff. And that was really good. 225 00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:45,030 The things things kind of continued not not with 226 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:48,720 development or fixing anything, per se. But I saw lots of 227 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,660 sharing of information, different ways to do things. It 228 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:55,650 was some good stuff going on. So I'm happy that Yeah, we could we 229 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:57,810 could basically do without you until the server's run out of 230 00:13:57,810 --> 00:14:04,950 gas. Now we really missed you. I missed you. I really miss you. 231 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:10,290 Because it's weird because we we chat a lot. On on the on the 232 00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:13,770 signal. And it's little things back and forth. And just like 233 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,550 boom, dead air by Oh man. Yeah. 234 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:22,740 Yeah, it's, um, I was keeping sort of like keeping an eye on 235 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:24,750 it. Because there's, you know how it is. You're in the 236 00:14:24,750 --> 00:14:28,950 hospital. I mean, there's lots of sleeping. Yes, a lot of that. 237 00:14:28,950 --> 00:14:32,070 Yeah. Yeah, lots of sleeping, lots of family visiting that 238 00:14:32,070 --> 00:14:34,920 kind of thing. Some housekeeping in sort of keeping an eye on my 239 00:14:34,980 --> 00:14:37,950 on my phone and everything. Just I just didn't have the mental 240 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,210 energy to get into any debate anything, you know, 241 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,710 conversation, but I kind of kept abreast of what was going on. 242 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:50,130 The one thing I didn't, wasn't able to really kind of connect 243 00:14:50,130 --> 00:14:55,140 in with was, I couldn't listen to anything really. So I'm kind 244 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:57,480 of out of the loop on some of the stuff that's been going on 245 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,290 in the broader industry, but as far as The 2.0 in the Macedon, I 246 00:15:01,290 --> 00:15:03,330 kind of I kind of feel like I know what's happening. 247 00:15:04,890 --> 00:15:09,990 Well, welcome back the board welcome issue, and we're glad to 248 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:12,480 that everything's gonna be okay. The 249 00:15:13,530 --> 00:15:16,680 the platinum level health insurance that the board 250 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:17,730 approved for podcast 251 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,440 really hand at work? Yes. Okay. You made a Cadillac, the 252 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,580 Cadillac plan? That's okay, I guess 253 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:32,370 the Cadillac the Caddy? So I've got I mean, one thing I think we 254 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:39,480 could do this is Nadia is I think we should have a program 255 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:48,420 where we pay where we podcast index, hey, app developers to 256 00:15:48,810 --> 00:15:57,570 write podcast apps, we could pay on like, $50,000 a year. And 257 00:15:57,570 --> 00:16:01,080 this is a brilliant program, because all we have to do is 258 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,320 announce that we're going to do it. But we don't ever have to 259 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:04,830 actually do 260 00:16:05,219 --> 00:16:09,659 it. Are you referring to the Spotify marketing program? 261 00:16:11,370 --> 00:16:12,180 Perhaps, 262 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,900 what do you want to say this? 263 00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:19,440 Perhaps I am, but I'm just saying we can we can announce. 264 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:23,010 We can do this all kinds of things. We can just, Oh, I see. 265 00:16:23,310 --> 00:16:26,820 We can announce things in this, send it out to the press, they 266 00:16:26,850 --> 00:16:29,280 will do awesome PR who will diligently 267 00:16:29,310 --> 00:16:32,250 publish it and tell us all how great it's going to be? 268 00:16:32,850 --> 00:16:35,820 And then we don't but we don't actually have to do it. So it 269 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:38,820 doesn't cost us anything. We just get great PR for free. And 270 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:39,300 well, that's 271 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:41,820 not true. Because eventually CR England will be on to us. And 272 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:43,920 then he's gonna He's gonna call us out. 273 00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:49,650 No, none. That's it. But we don't have stock. It's all the 274 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,170 problem here is manipulating the stock prices. So we know this is 275 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:54,630 we're not a publicly traded company. We get this for free. 276 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:59,160 Right? Well, we, in our plans, this is true. Our plans for 2023 277 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,200 was to pay app developers $50,000 to build a podcast app. 278 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,780 So that's our plan for 2023. I'm very proud of it. 279 00:17:07,109 --> 00:17:09,809 Yes. The podcast app developer creator fund. Yes. 280 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:18,000 We're giving away creator grants. Great. Okay. Well, the 281 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,500 developments and I have kind of like a meta overview. As in the 282 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:26,670 past. And really last year, there was a lot of jacked up 283 00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:31,500 pneus about Facebook, with podcasting, and YouTube with 284 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:35,820 podcasting. And Spotify is going to do even more, and it's all 285 00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:41,550 kind of falling apart. It really is. Yeah. And I know why it's no 286 00:17:41,550 --> 00:17:46,110 one really wants to say it. But in my opinion, these companies 287 00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:49,410 have done that done the research, done the work and they 288 00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:53,550 say, you know, there's really no money in it because we can't 289 00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:58,110 deal and, and the articles show this, most recently from the 290 00:17:58,110 --> 00:18:02,730 Brookings Institution, we can't deal with the moderation. And 291 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,300 and the whole problem with advertising is that whenever 292 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:09,960 someone doesn't like any content that you've created, they go to 293 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,190 your advertisers. 294 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:15,900 When did they can Okay? I purposely did not read the 295 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,020 Brookings article, I start I read the first three paragraphs, 296 00:18:19,020 --> 00:18:22,650 I thought, You know what, this was may be more interesting. If 297 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:26,850 I don't read this, because you had sent it to me and said you 298 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:29,760 wanted to talk about it. So I'm like, Okay, well, I'm not gonna 299 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,590 read it. And I want it maybe 300 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:33,690 that was, that was one it was one of them. It was one it was 301 00:18:33,690 --> 00:18:36,360 one of my morning and one of our morning chats. You know, it's 302 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:41,640 like, yeah, and then nothing from Dave and shift. He says, 303 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,350 You really hate what I'm doing here. 304 00:18:44,610 --> 00:18:48,600 I do that to my parents, too. That drives me nuts. How's grant 305 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,190 and um, nothing radio silence for like, 306 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,670 oh, oh, you're a horrible son. Nice, because I don't I'm close 307 00:18:53,670 --> 00:18:57,030 to my phone. So this was policy recommendations for addressing 308 00:18:57,030 --> 00:19:03,300 content moderation in podcasts. That's the That's the title of 309 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:04,680 this, this article. 310 00:19:05,129 --> 00:19:08,009 And escalation, by the way, because the previous article by 311 00:19:08,009 --> 00:19:09,599 the same reporter. 312 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:12,330 No, I think this is a different report. I think this is the same 313 00:19:12,330 --> 00:19:13,230 reporter isn't? 314 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:17,550 No, I think it is Valerie shifter. Yeah, yeah, cuz I 315 00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:20,250 remember the name. That's a hard name to say. 316 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:23,310 I didn't I didn't realize that she is an artificial 317 00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:25,230 intelligence data scientist. 318 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,880 Yeah, remember? Cuz she did. Okay. So she's the one for, 319 00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:35,430 again for Brookings that did that big data analysis where she 320 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:39,270 took like, 20,000 podcast episodes and looked for for 321 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:42,960 like, misinformation keywords or something like that. 322 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:45,960 Oh, you're right. That's right. She did. Yeah, she did all that 323 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,290 data analysis. Yes. Well, now she's teamed out of Berkeley, I 324 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:53,130 think. Yeah, probably. She's teamed up with another 325 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:56,280 artificial intelligence data scientists to to write this. 326 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:04,140 What would you call an essay And there's a couple of things in 327 00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:08,550 here that are interesting, in fact, starts off debates over 328 00:20:08,550 --> 00:20:11,700 content moderation. And podcasts hinged primarily on whether and 329 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:18,300 how widely to share so called lawful but awful content. I like 330 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:20,880 that so much. That's the title of the no agenda episode for 331 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,200 today lost. Oh, yeah, of course also, but also I love it. 332 00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:28,260 You're an alliteration expert. 333 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,290 Yeah, it's OCD, major podcasting apps. The applications commonly 334 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:36,960 used on smartphones, tablets, or computers to listen and download 335 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,050 the podcast episodes already have policies and procedures in 336 00:20:40,050 --> 00:20:43,770 place to deal with blatantly illegal content. Spotify or 337 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:46,980 Apple podcasts won't knowingly distribute in an Islamic state 338 00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:50,070 recruitment podcast says doing so would open them to 339 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:53,640 prosecution for supporting a designated terrorist group. How 340 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,170 podcasting have should handle hate speech, misinformation, and 341 00:20:58,170 --> 00:21:02,160 related content that is legal, but hate may have harmful 342 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,710 societal effects is far less clear. So just reading this 343 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:10,920 paragraph, I had to force myself to read the rest because the 344 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,750 minute you get into handling hate speech, misinformation, 345 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:19,860 very subjective and related content that's legal, but may 346 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:24,030 have harmful societal effects. So that right off the bat, 347 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:26,550 they're saying, you know, this has to be human intervention 348 00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:32,490 based upon morals and standards and not not legality, right. 349 00:21:35,970 --> 00:21:39,600 It's not, it's not the, you know, the distinction there 350 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,060 being legality. Being legality is something that the broader 351 00:21:45,570 --> 00:21:50,100 the broader public determines through a political process 352 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,970 versus righties. opinion of the moment. 353 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,760 Now, let's get to the next paragraph because then you 354 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,130 understand where all this is coming from, you understand 355 00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:02,700 what's going on in other news stories, and then we can go to 356 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,520 what they what they suggest. Below the level of blatantly 357 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,520 illegal content, the most popular podcasting apps face a 358 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,280 daunting challenge. On one hand, given the scale and reach of 359 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,820 apps like Spotify and Apple podcast, each now enjoys more 360 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:18,750 than 25 million monthly podcast listeners in the United States. 361 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:21,660 Their content moderation policies need to account for the 362 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:27,570 societal harms is interesting the societal harms that can 363 00:22:27,570 --> 00:22:30,330 result from the mass distribution of hate speech and 364 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:34,500 misinformation. And here we go. Some examples popular podcasts 365 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,860 played a prominent role in spreading the so called big lie 366 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:41,250 in the lead up to the January 6, assault on the US Capitol, for 367 00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:44,310 instance, and have also been a key vector in spreading 368 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:48,180 misinformation related to COVID 19 vaccines leading to 369 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:53,430 unnecessary deaths. So this is already political. It's already 370 00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:57,630 it's already political. And now you're misinformation is and 371 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,860 President Barack Obama was out today talking about this. It's 372 00:23:01,860 --> 00:23:05,880 given people misinformation, it may very well be, but so are a 373 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,330 lot of other things. And is it really speech or do people have 374 00:23:09,330 --> 00:23:12,690 any? Do people have any responsibility themselves, 375 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,870 motorcyclists also kill people, but motorcycles, you know, and 376 00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:20,280 by the way, it's not the speed that kills you. It's the sudden 377 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:26,730 lot lack of speed that will, that will hurt you. So now, they 378 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:33,510 don't really go into much of, of anything, really. But they feel 379 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:36,600 that there should be regulation, regulators and lawmakers have a 380 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,560 role to play in shaping policies in the podcast ecosystem. And 381 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,440 they admit regulating podcast is difficult in part because it 382 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,350 requires balancing the right to freedom of expression with the 383 00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:49,320 need to preserve societal welfare and protect against 384 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,500 social harms. I'd like to understand where they got that 385 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:52,920 from. 386 00:23:54,090 --> 00:23:57,030 This distrust feels like a retread. It's feels like the 387 00:23:57,030 --> 00:24:00,420 same article being written over and over and over again. I 388 00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:08,280 agree. I mean, you know, we need we need rules and and, you know, 389 00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:11,640 what everyone calls censorship, on maybe maybe 390 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:16,530 calling for regulation, but the regulation has to balance, 391 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,500 freedom of expression. They don't even say freedom of 392 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,270 speech, but freedom of expression. Okay, we'll take 393 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:25,830 that with the need to preserve societal welfare and protect 394 00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:32,550 against social harms. Whose job is that? Who's whose job is it 395 00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:36,930 to protect from preserve societal welfare and protect 396 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:43,200 against social harms? And I don't know either it's very 397 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,950 well, and they will tell you Yeah. 398 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,590 I thought that's what we do through the process of 399 00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:54,090 governing. I mean, this this is the this is the issue is okay. 400 00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:02,730 lawful but awful. Okay. Lawful is again, that is what EU lawful 401 00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:07,830 is what you come to, as a broad as, as a, let's just say, as a 402 00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:11,850 country, let's just reduce it down here to mate for simplicity 403 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:17,790 sake, as, as UK as a country, you your laws are the things 404 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:21,630 that you have, as a society, democratic, if we're speaking 405 00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:24,690 democratically here, as a society, through your 406 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:32,910 representatives have passed in order to satisfy the will of the 407 00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:41,490 people. If there's no this lawful but awful, that is always 408 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,670 a shifting set of opinions of a of by definition of a few. 409 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:56,640 Because if it was a opinion held by the many, or the majority, it 410 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,010 would eventually become law. I mean, there's this is, this is 411 00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:08,700 by definition, the few trying to regulate perceived harm on 412 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:14,310 behalf of the many when they're not, they do not have access to 413 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:17,610 legislative power. Or am I wrong about 414 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,520 that? No, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, again, 415 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,470 it all comes down to you know, where you are at this at this 416 00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,940 moment, this time in history this day, and everything can be 417 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:34,830 awful. But there's a lot of awful content that is completely 418 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:37,590 acceptable. And it's also killing people, even though it's 419 00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:41,280 certainly in mainstream. So this, but this is, this isn't 420 00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:45,450 what's happening here. This is in the United States, definitely 421 00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:49,470 political. We have Elon Musk threatening to open up Twitter, 422 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:53,610 buy it and, you know, bring Trump back. We have now that 423 00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:59,280 that's that this is what's going on. You know, this is why we see 424 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,370 Barack Obama and President Obama coming out and saying, oh, you 425 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:04,740 know, this is killing people. You know, the one and one and 426 00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:07,920 five families aren't vaccinated because of misinformation. Of 427 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,600 course, it's all the podcasters fault. So here, they do have 428 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,050 some thoughts on that. So it's a coordinated effort or a 429 00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:18,600 coordinated timing of publication. As you say, it's a 430 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,120 retread. Yeah. Why is it a retread because there's there's 431 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:25,500 a push right now, where we have to save the Save the platforms 432 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,760 that are would be Twitter, but also it would be Apple podcasts 433 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,780 and would be Spotify. That that I think is what what this group 434 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:37,740 of people want. So they recommend content guidelines and 435 00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:41,580 policies, but this is regulators who should require podcasting 436 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:44,250 apps to clearly disclosed what their content moderation 437 00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:49,860 policies are. Now this is okay. I mean, it's fine. Yeah. Now the 438 00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:54,030 problem. The problem is, a lot of this is done algorithmically. 439 00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,780 And I don't think anyone's going to want to I don't think 440 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:02,460 anyone's going to want to publish their algos. But they 441 00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:06,360 give some examples here Apple podcasts has a prohibition on 442 00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:11,910 mean spirited content. Hmm. And they say we should know what 443 00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,910 that means. Well, this is exactly the problem. You can't 444 00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:19,440 explain mean spirited. And can it be distinguished from 445 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,460 critical content? Yeah, 446 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:29,550 yeah. mean spirited. I mean, you're talking about I mean, 447 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,700 could Ricky Gervais even have a podcast on Apple podcasts? 448 00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:35,010 Thank you. Thank you. Well, I certainly couldn't have any 449 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:37,560 podcast because I can come across as very mean spirited. 450 00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:43,379 Yeah, like there's watch half the half the comics that are 451 00:28:43,379 --> 00:28:46,169 alive that would would be off. 452 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,370 And I think And wouldn't that be great. This this may be part of 453 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:53,820 the of the process. But now we now there's something else. This 454 00:28:53,820 --> 00:29:00,120 is, again, by regulation podcast app should also be required to 455 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,750 publicly and transparently disclosed high level details 456 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:06,450 about their content moderation practices, as well as their 457 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:12,300 review process. I'm so happy because we can check that box. 458 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,780 None. Okay, now, none. recommendation algorithms, 459 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:24,030 podcasting apps should your favorite word should be required 460 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:27,000 to disclose the content that recommendation algorithms are 461 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840 amplifying the most as well as basic details about how those 462 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,920 algorithms work? Yeah, that's not gonna happen. No one's gonna 463 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,330 publish that that's no 464 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,120 information. Yeah. And most 465 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320 of it is you know, is friends family, payola who knows? 466 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:51,180 Okay, well this comes this is as so, so much of this goes back to 467 00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:57,570 when things went from time pure, chronological reverse 468 00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:03,180 chronological timeline to algos. because everybody is concerned, 469 00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:08,460 all people care about is the algo. In when you don't have an 470 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:09,060 algo 471 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:14,190 you're loser. I guess you have an algo. Oh, wait a minute. Wait 472 00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:17,580 a minute. Wait a minute. I heard James Cleveland, you have not 473 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:22,290 heard it yet. I didn't flip it for you. He literally said, 474 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:27,780 podcasts index does does filtering podcast index has 475 00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:32,850 decided that the German version, the rip off version of pod news 476 00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:36,930 appears as number one in the search below the original pod 477 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:41,010 news. That is James James's work. And he called it a 478 00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:41,610 decision. 479 00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:48,120 Oh, it was it was a decision, oddly enough, not even made by 480 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,350 me. It was made by Steven Crowder who read submitted a 481 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:56,730 pull request to the website with without even knowing. So that's 482 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,730 that's an interesting. Okay, so this is that's actually kind of 483 00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:02,460 an interesting discussion. I don't want to sidetrack us here. 484 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:11,250 But we. So this is, I think, a very good illustration of why it 485 00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:18,480 is so difficult to make some of these decisions like to why it's 486 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:23,220 almost absurd to expect to expect people to be held 487 00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,090 accountable for some of these things that are almost 488 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:34,650 impossible. So you have this long standing debate between 489 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,190 should the search results show the thing that is the most 490 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:48,480 popular, or the thing that gets the exact textual hit. So if you 491 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,770 search for pod, if you search for, let's just say Adam curry, 492 00:31:56,190 --> 00:32:02,760 and there and there is a podcast that exists called Adam curry. 493 00:32:02,850 --> 00:32:07,350 That's the title of the podcast by somebody who just some rando 494 00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:14,700 from West Virginia who created a podcast on Anchor. Well, some 495 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,500 people are going to be looking for that Rando podcast from 496 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:25,800 anchor and maybe three total in the universe. But they may be 497 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,370 looking for it. And when they type Adam curry, and they get 498 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,090 back no agenda as the first hit and they have no clue who you 499 00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:38,670 are or no agenda is. And then four layers down. Four levels 500 00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:41,400 down there is the Adam curry that they looked that they were 501 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,990 actually looking for the Rando on. 502 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:45,270 Funny thing was they were actually looking for Adam 503 00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:46,950 Carolla. That's why I wrote 504 00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:56,040 her Corolla, Corolla Corolla. And so that in when the question 505 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:04,020 is asked, Why, if this, if this is there is an exact match? Why 506 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:07,890 would that ever not be the first result, because it's literally 507 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:12,090 the exact match? Now I gave us I gave an extreme example where 508 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:16,980 the popularity differences is, is huge. But you could, if you, 509 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:22,260 if you get that example down a little bit, it becomes more ill 510 00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:28,530 illustrative, where you say, Okay, there's, and I went, I 511 00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:33,150 went through this exact exercise for a podcast host, hosting 512 00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:36,330 company that contacted me a few months ago, and said, hey, here, 513 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,580 here's what we're looking to do. We want to use the index to do 514 00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:43,170 some searches. But we really need the search results, to 515 00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:49,620 return this particular type of result set. And I went back and 516 00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:54,600 forth with them through two or three iterations to get it close 517 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:01,110 to what they wanted. And the question was being asked, well, 518 00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:06,960 we're searching for this thing. And here's an exact hit of of 519 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,640 the title. That's the one that we want. But it's it's like, 520 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:17,580 pushed down so far that is paid off. And, and the use case here 521 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:23,520 was for people searching for their podcast. So like, it could 522 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,160 be anybody. It could be people coming from anchor, it could be, 523 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,050 you know, anybody anywhere. And so you're quick, the question 524 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,650 is, as you get sort of down the popularity chain, where the 525 00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:39,840 differences are not so huge. It makes, it doesn't make a lot of 526 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,190 sense for you to judge popularity. Now. It's just about 527 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,270 exact title hits. But where's that line? I mean, at what 528 00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:51,510 popularity, what even is popularity level when you're 529 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:55,080 talking about algorithmic decision making, like this. 530 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,590 There's there's also a couple where there it's a little bit of 531 00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:01,140 apples to oranges and the reason Why I'm saying that is because 532 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,730 when someone's searching for a podcast or a person, it's a 533 00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:10,410 little different than a recommendation. Now, I presume 534 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:14,790 that the reason why the German result came first is because 535 00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:16,410 Deutschland Uber, Alice. 536 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,300 Well, that's exactly that's. I mean, obviously. 537 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,330 So what So clearly, and so I've searched to me searches a hole. 538 00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:30,240 It's of course it's it's algos, but it's a whole different deal 539 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,570 and search as you just as you just explained, he's really 540 00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:36,720 hard. How do you satisfy what everybody wants? 541 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,850 Now, I'm looking at this now, sir, if you search for pod news, 542 00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:47,040 the exact title of the first one that comes back is pod news. 543 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,590 James is James's podcast is called pod news, podcasting 544 00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:53,190 news. 545 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000 That's the right show. Right. 546 00:35:57,210 --> 00:36:00,690 And that's why it flipped to the top because when Steven 547 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,170 submitted the pull request, what he did is he changed the website 548 00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:08,280 behavior so that it's doing two searches. It's doing one search 549 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,850 for exact title hits, and another one using the normal 550 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,630 popularity ranking that we get from the API. 551 00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:22,230 Okay, so basically, it was it was bad SEO. That is to do pod 552 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:23,790 news, podcasting news. 553 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,080 Yeah, that's good. SEO for Google. Right? Yo, for us. 554 00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:33,150 Right. Right. Now, we clearly did not with the partner. Is 555 00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,400 that is that a rip off feed that German feed? 556 00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:39,660 is? I think that I really don't know if 557 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:44,220 it's a feed from 2009 is dead. Oh, really? Yeah. It's a dead 558 00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:48,330 feed. Well, I should say that. And then what can you also kill 559 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:53,970 the no agenda fee that has been hijacked on the substack? Whoa, 560 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:57,540 is for real? Yeah. Someone is somebody in the index? Yep. So 561 00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:02,580 when is mirroring the no agenda? Its current on a sub stack. 562 00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:06,150 Which means it could be making money off of it, too, I guess. 563 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:11,310 Yeah, they possibly. Yeah. Because that's a that's that's 564 00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:11,760 fraud. 565 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:20,430 So for sure. This is a complicated question. And is, is 566 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:21,150 there an answer? 567 00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:26,400 Well, the answer the here's the classical answer. When I say 568 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,910 classical, I mean, I mean, like the answer that has developed 569 00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:34,620 over the last 10 years. The answer is, you begin to tweak 570 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,420 things manually, you begin to boost, you see that, that you 571 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:47,520 see that the algorithm has, has given you a result? That is not 572 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:54,570 desirable? And doesn't make sense to most people? Okay, you 573 00:37:54,570 --> 00:38:00,510 say, Well, yeah, yes. Okay, here's five searches. Four out 574 00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:05,430 of those five times, the exact title hit is giving us is giving 575 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:10,290 us what we want, right? The fifth time. It's just not 576 00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:15,750 working. And there's really no way to do it. So I can't change 577 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,090 the algorithm, because that's going to fix up the s gonna 578 00:38:18,090 --> 00:38:22,890 screw up the 80% of the time is correct. And it's just to get 579 00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:27,390 the 20% of the time to be right. So you go in there, and you 580 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:31,860 fudge it, and you manually start tweaking things, to boost 581 00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:36,210 certain to boost certain things over other things when certain 582 00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:41,160 searches happen. And now you've got manual curation, and now you 583 00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:45,390 are actually making humans are making decisions. So here's, 584 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:50,370 here's the problem I have with what's being asked. And by the 585 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,090 way, they're putting all of this onto the, the apps. And I know 586 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:58,770 that they really mean apple and Spotify. They they say apps, I 587 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:03,870 don't think they mean overcast, the curio cast or pod friend 588 00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:09,660 podcast. I don't think they mean any of that. By why is it that 589 00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:18,090 podcast apps would be forced to do all this work. And remove 590 00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:21,360 stuff, tell people why they removed it, but actually remove 591 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,270 it. And search engines can just while we're down ranking, they 592 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:31,230 get a pass. They don't they're not forced to by any legislation 593 00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:32,700 to remove content. 594 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:36,720 And the exact ad the exact data and I can answer that question, 595 00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:47,130 okay. The answer to that is in a article from September 7 2001 596 00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:53,190 and The New York Times, okay. The title of this article is US 597 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:57,960 versus Microsoft. The lobbying. A huge four year crusade gets 598 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:05,190 credit for a coup. From said article, it says from a cold 599 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:09,240 start just four years ago, Microsoft assembled a formidable 600 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,110 lobbying apparatus that worked to touch anyone who could have 601 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,410 any influence over the antitrust case to case against it. 602 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640 Particularly during last year's election campaign. Republican 603 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,940 candidates including George Bush, Microsoft and its 604 00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:28,140 employees donated $4.6 million last year to federal political 605 00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:31,770 candidates or parties, more than two thirds of it to Republicans, 606 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,370 according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics, 607 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,480 and the company paid at least 6 million more to lobbyists who 608 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,880 are charged with persuading politicians to accept 609 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,070 Microsoft's point of view. Going a little bit deeper, it says 610 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:50,760 when the Clinton administration's Justice 611 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760 Department filed his first suit against Microsoft in the fall of 612 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,710 97, the company had a one man lobbying shop here and we're 613 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:02,370 here in DC, with an office above a suburban Washington shopping 614 00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,340 mall. The company's political donations of all types to 615 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,640 federal candidates that year totaled less than $100,000. 616 00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,760 Microsoft, then, company executives said at the time 617 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,690 considered Washington, a distant and largely irrelevant.on, the 618 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:18,870 map far removed both physically and spiritually from his 619 00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:25,170 headquarters outside of Seattle. So yeah, they this is why people 620 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:30,660 like this is why companies like Google will never have anybody 621 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:37,440 in Washington. Seriously, they may they may lip service, do a, 622 00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:42,000 me know do some sort of zoom call with them or whatever, just 623 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,850 to get some political points, but they'll never seriously 624 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,650 tinker with them or force them to do anything. No, because 625 00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:55,530 billions and billions of dollars of campaign contributions are at 626 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:59,550 stake. That's that's your answer. Bet and podcast index. 627 00:41:59,730 --> 00:42:04,470 Sure. Somebody may come you know, try to embarrass us for 628 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:08,640 our decisions or Spotify. Maybe because who knows? They probably 629 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,320 don't do much lobbying. But as soon as the spigots open, and 630 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,800 the lobby money flows, Oh, that's right. This is all these 631 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,400 things disappear. And remember, Brookings Institute, Brookings 632 00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:26,820 is a lot is a think tank in Washington. Yeah, all these 633 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:30,480 think tanks are headquartered in DC. They all play by they all go 634 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,400 to a lobbyist lunches, and things like it's all the so 635 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,450 believe me. This is all political. This whole article 636 00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:43,950 was political. There's this some reasonable ideas in here, you 637 00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:48,180 know, the transparency is fine. It makes total sense. But under 638 00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:50,640 the recommended algorithms is only four we only have one more 639 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,230 to go. As we documented last year, more than 50% of popular 640 00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:58,200 political podcast episodes between the November election 641 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,800 and the January sixth assault on the US Capitol contained 642 00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:06,420 electoral misinformation. And and I didn't clip it, but I 643 00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:11,820 heard that I was in the car. And I heard pieces from President 644 00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:15,930 Obama's speech at Stanford today. And lo and behold, if he 645 00:43:15,930 --> 00:43:20,850 didn't say, Steve Bannon has a problem and content like Steve 646 00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:25,350 Bannon does have to has to be dealt with. I'm paraphrasing. 647 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:29,880 And if you look at the previous article, like you said, January 648 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,580 4 value workshop offer. She says in links to it here, just as we 649 00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:38,220 documented earlier this year, and there it is, on the morning 650 00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:41,430 of January 6 2021, Steve Bannon encouraged the audience of his 651 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:45,690 podcast, not to waver their faith. So this is a coordinated 652 00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:51,810 attack. On all forms of media, they these people, and these 653 00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:56,310 people specifically, just don't like the fact that anyone says 654 00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:58,560 something that's not in line with what they say. And they 655 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,320 have a platform they don't like it. And here's 656 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,030 the from from this New York Times article again. The 657 00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:09,930 lobbyist, remember, this is from Microsoft. The lobbyists spread 658 00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:13,140 position papers around Washington and wrote op ed page 659 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:17,280 pieces, among many other tactics that grew so numerous and 660 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,510 prolific, that they sometimes wound up quoting each other. In 661 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:26,100 1998. While the suit was in trial, Mr. Barber wrote an 662 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,010 opinion article for the chronicle of for the chronicle 663 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:31,950 of Augusta, Georgia, making the argument that the American 664 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:35,490 people oppose the government suit to support that he cited a 665 00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:38,910 national survey published by two other Microsoft finance groups, 666 00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:41,880 Citizens Against Government Waste in the technology access 667 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:44,760 Action Coalition. There's there's your think tanks and 668 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,330 there's that's how they effectively lobby on behalf of 669 00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:49,020 corporate interest 670 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:55,140 also. So this is a a lobbying piece. And the final piece is 671 00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:58,620 funding and this is where it gets really funny. At present 672 00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:01,380 advertising represents the primary source of revenue for 673 00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:06,000 the podcasting ecosystem. While Apple requires advertising to be 674 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,700 in compliance with the law and Spotify requires content 675 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,160 providers to comply with applicable laws and regulations, 676 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,250 including sanctions and export regulations, there are few 677 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,000 obvious guidelines in place for financial disclosures in 678 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,930 podcasting, beyond those dictated between sponsor and 679 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:25,770 series. So, you know, this is a problem, where's the money 680 00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:30,270 coming from? Furthermore, it is unclear how apps might determine 681 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,300 if and where to report when a podcast is, in fact, in 682 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:38,700 violation of applicable laws. As a result, anyone could in 683 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,690 theory, provide financial support for a podcast, including 684 00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:48,900 foreign governments or obscure funders link, the link, the link 685 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:53,550 goes to Steve Bannon was de platformed. And obscure media 686 00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:56,550 mogul keeps him on the air so that you see what this is all 687 00:45:56,550 --> 00:46:00,210 about. As with radio reporting, guidelines, regulators could 688 00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:02,940 help bring transparency to this opaque business model by 689 00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:06,300 delineating clear public financial reporting processes 690 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:14,220 for podcast series. So interesting, because if they 691 00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:19,680 start to write regular legislation or regulations about 692 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:24,840 who's funding a podcast, I I'd like to have some transparency 693 00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:30,060 for all media, then. Let's make sure everybody knows exactly how 694 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:33,000 much Pfizer is spending on cable news. 695 00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:37,200 Yeah, I want a spreadsheet showing it every donation to Fox 696 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,270 News, and MSNBC and all of these, these outfits I want, I 697 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:46,410 want a spreadsheet that shows the top the top donors donors, 698 00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:49,770 average out the top advertisers and how much they spend every 699 00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:52,890 quarter. That's what I want. That's if we're gonna do it. 700 00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:54,480 Let's just do it from top to bottom. No, but 701 00:46:55,380 --> 00:47:00,570 the thing is, none of this is is hard to figure out. But they 702 00:47:00,570 --> 00:47:04,890 want it to be different for Steve Bannon, I guess. Yeah. I 703 00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:09,630 think that's a good very good that you. That you that you 704 00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:13,530 pulled up that New York Times article, cuz that says it all 705 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,680 I'll finish the immature content and moderation Ruse and blah, 706 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,610 blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, with Spotify, YouTube, and now 707 00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:23,940 substack, stealing content entering the podcasting market 708 00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,030 in ways that up in the West, open architecture, the medium, 709 00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:30,120 the space now encompasses both more traditional media business 710 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,390 models, as well as newer, more decentralized ones value for 711 00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:37,440 value anybody. Lightning Network as a result of flexible, broadly 712 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,810 applicable approach to monitoring content and 713 00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:42,150 regulating podcast platforms will become increasingly 714 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:45,630 critical. It's only if you're in the business of winning or 715 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:49,380 losing elections, I guess that it becomes critical. So but I 716 00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:54,120 think this is one of the one of the two or three reasons that we 717 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:59,910 will not see Facebook doing anything of any and I think I 718 00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:03,180 said this from day one, this is Lucy and the football, how many 719 00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:07,320 times you're gonna see this. Same with YouTube. What else is 720 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,030 on the horizon? What other I mean, look, 721 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:14,190 even for Facebook, Amazon, I 722 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:17,760 know. I know what happened with Facebook, Facebook saw 723 00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:22,200 clubhouse, and they went, Yeah, we got to do that. And everyone, 724 00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:24,330 you know, it takes a while to ramp this stuff off. And we'll 725 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,540 do it with podcasting. Though. Cubans doing it. I was getting 726 00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:31,290 to the guy, and ones rockin and rollin. And then and then all 727 00:48:31,290 --> 00:48:34,260 sudden the news is well, clubhouse is broken as dead, no 728 00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:37,500 one uses it as falling apart, do no more downloads, whatever the 729 00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,470 metric is. And that's when everyone pulls the plug, because 730 00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:47,760 what they know is you just can't make a lot of money, Google 731 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,080 level money. With podcast advertising. There's not enough. 732 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,810 There's not enough a level brand sponsors that will take that 733 00:48:57,810 --> 00:48:58,470 leap. 734 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,630 No, there's just there's just not that you can't. Yeah, the 735 00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:09,360 only way to the only way to make any money in, in podcast 736 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,570 advertising is to sell is to sell the ad so broadly, but you 737 00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:19,290 can't do it. You you do it on volume. But you can't do that. 738 00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:20,280 Because it's not 739 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,670 brands say no, it doesn't work. And here's here's the here's the 740 00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:27,930 clue. From what I understand Facebook and this, this is what 741 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:32,940 every single Podcast Network does. And I know this because I 742 00:49:32,940 --> 00:49:35,610 went through this cycle. This is why I keep telling people you 743 00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:40,050 can't monetize the network. The minute you see a podcast network 744 00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:44,550 or platform, announced the following. Well, we're going to 745 00:49:44,550 --> 00:49:47,850 do branded podcasts. So we're going to do a podcast from 746 00:49:47,850 --> 00:49:51,750 McDonald's. We're gonna produce a podcast for Citibank. That 747 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,710 means it failed. They couldn't make money on advertising. So 748 00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:59,220 instead and the advertisers they want, they want a cool podcast 749 00:49:59,220 --> 00:50:02,160 but they want total control. So make it our podcast, and we'll 750 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,700 pay you for it. And I believe I think is Facebook is going to 751 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:11,880 charge a million bucks. For a I see Face Book, branded pocket. 752 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:14,550 That is the death of the industry. That's that's the main 753 00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:22,740 reason that I said, no, no. Here branded podcasts. So no, I have 754 00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:26,100 have to leave pod show have to leave me Bo because now we're 755 00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,340 just making podcasts for the advertisers instead of having 756 00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:34,860 the advertisers advertise on the shows. Yeah. Branded podcast 757 00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:37,380 works with brands, creating digital content is part of an 758 00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:39,750 integrated marketing or elearning strategy. 759 00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:46,740 Well, I had somebody privately tell me, probably houses 760 00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:53,040 probably maybe nine months ago that that they were doing 761 00:50:53,070 --> 00:50:58,200 getting out of just doing podcast shows like starting new 762 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,030 shows and starting to do more. Exactly, exactly this brand 763 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,450 branded, specific corporate podcast. 764 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120 I think gimlet wasn't gimlet also doing this. 765 00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:13,860 I don't know. And well, the reason they told me was that is 766 00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:17,910 just money. They're like, I can just make more money. If the if 767 00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:21,090 the corporation just pays me directly and I just do what they 768 00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:26,190 tell me to Yeah, like, it's just a whole I can, I can do. I can 769 00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:29,400 make as much money from one of those shows as I can from four 770 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,450 of the other ones, but 771 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,580 even more, even more. Yeah. 772 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,990 And that's guaranteed brand safe. 773 00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:41,670 Here Game Live, which was purchased by my Spotify. gimlet 774 00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:44,160 has two core advertising products, traditional 775 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,200 advertisements, and branded content. They all have to hear 776 00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:52,800 branded content is anything else we make for a brand or company? 777 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,670 If for example, Acme Inc, asks us to make a weekly podcast for 778 00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:59,580 them in which we interview Acme Inc, scientists and over which 779 00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:03,000 they have final creative control. That's branded content. 780 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,770 It sure is. 781 00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:09,810 And that's that end because they've seen it. You it's been 782 00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:18,240 the same for for me for 15 years, 17 years. It always winds 783 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:23,070 up with that. Either. You're making really cheap, really low, 784 00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,910 low grade production content, just to have high volume and you 785 00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:32,790 got a lot of square space and Casper mattresses and what is 786 00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:39,990 the manscape manscaping funny we got it we John and I both got a 787 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:43,620 manscaping pitch. Hey, we think manscaped will be a great great 788 00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:48,300 product for the no agenda show this really. Man says heavier. I 789 00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:51,450 John got into it with the guy like I checked out like, I can't 790 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:55,740 believe he answered it. But that's it. It's not going to 791 00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:59,190 work. There's no money, not enough money. And let's put it 792 00:52:59,190 --> 00:53:03,510 that way. Now. Is there a business for you to have 793 00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:06,960 individual sponsors and it may be relevant like a lot of 794 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,680 Bitcoin podcast. I think there's there's some relevance there. I 795 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,790 love some of the advertising on Bitcoin. I got a what is it? 796 00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:22,440 Accuracy? Oculus. It's a hardware. It's a hardware wallet 797 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,170 and an act like a treasure town looking like a treasure type? 798 00:53:25,229 --> 00:53:29,669 Yeah, yeah. But it but it's a it's actually a like a metal 799 00:53:29,699 --> 00:53:33,479 credit card size card. And it has Yeah, I think I've seen 800 00:53:33,479 --> 00:53:36,449 that. And you hold it against the back of the phone. That 801 00:53:36,449 --> 00:53:40,199 that's your private key. Oh, yeah. So it's kind of cool. 802 00:53:40,229 --> 00:53:44,069 Yeah. So you have the app on the phone. And you can do it two 803 00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:46,289 ways. You can set it up. You can it's three factor 804 00:53:46,289 --> 00:53:50,669 authentication. So in one mode, you fire up the app, you have to 805 00:53:50,669 --> 00:53:54,029 use your biometrics, which I find useless because if 806 00:53:54,029 --> 00:53:57,869 someone's got me, they can they can get through that one easy, 807 00:53:58,469 --> 00:54:02,489 then it then you can do everything you want receive. But 808 00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:07,109 if you want to send, then you have to do two things, you have 809 00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:11,249 to enter the passcode. And you have to hold the near field 810 00:54:11,249 --> 00:54:14,159 communication. You have to hold the card with a private key on 811 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:18,989 it. The way I like it is the app is it the minute it opens up, it 812 00:54:18,989 --> 00:54:21,419 says you got to have this card, otherwise I'm not going any 813 00:54:21,419 --> 00:54:25,409 further. And the other two factors is when you send 814 00:54:25,409 --> 00:54:31,649 something What's it called? I thought it was our cute little 815 00:54:31,649 --> 00:54:33,239 rise. I have one here actually hold on. 816 00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:37,380 Oh, you actually physically have one? Yeah. Oh, actually, 817 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,330 it's funny because I bought one for myself and one for Tina, 818 00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:47,490 Oculus AR c u l u s t i had the, of course, this is what 819 00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:50,310 everybody does is like hey, man, I gotta get a hardware wallet 820 00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:55,290 because you know, my valuable Bitcoins. And so I got the, you 821 00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:58,200 know, the trays or whatever that is I got one of those. And the 822 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,180 other day I'm like, I got to consolidate. I've got to Many 823 00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:02,970 wallets, everyone want to put it all into one or most of it all 824 00:55:02,970 --> 00:55:06,570 into one wallet as a separate emergency wallet that I know the 825 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,290 passcode the 12 words out from memory, but I don't want 826 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,990 everything there. So now I'm gonna start collecting stuff. So 827 00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:20,070 and this is this pissed me off to no end. So I get my tracer 828 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:24,390 and I you know I set it I plug it in, I fire up the software on 829 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:27,030 the on the computer, and everything's out of date because 830 00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:30,960 I haven't used this thing for you know, for two years maybe. 831 00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:35,070 So, so the firmware is out of date, the software is telling me 832 00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:38,400 to upgrade. And you know, it's like having trouble connected to 833 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,700 your to your device and like, Oh, my goodness, I have to 834 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,810 troubleshoot the whole point is all it does is just giving me a 835 00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:48,690 key, right? It just, yeah, it's given me the key to do 836 00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:54,270 something. But ah, so I decide to do the best thing, the 837 00:55:54,270 --> 00:56:00,990 fastest thing is to go go retrieve the seed words, and I 838 00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:05,940 just recreated that wallet in blue, then sent it all over to 839 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,730 the final destination and through that trays are out. 840 00:56:10,170 --> 00:56:13,860 Yeah, that this just just do a cold card if you want to do 841 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,890 that. I mean, you don't have to you don't the more technology 842 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:20,370 you get on the other side of that the more fraud it is, I 843 00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:23,910 mean, that's the real so I don't believe in I mean, if you need 844 00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:27,240 money, Bitcoin, lightning, whatever, you know, just put a 845 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,720 little bit I got I use breeze typically, and I got, you know, 846 00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:35,160 500 bucks on that. And, you know, for if I need to pay for 847 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,770 something and if I need to refill a wall, it's just handy 848 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,650 to have it in one night. My whole fortune is not going to be 849 00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:47,910 on that. So so I don't need to use you know, a hardware key for 850 00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:50,310 daily transactions. That's something you basically want to 851 00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:53,310 have at home or in the safe or, you know, something that you can 852 00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:58,710 then go retrieve and use it but when you retrieve it and want to 853 00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:05,940 use it. And everything's out of date. 854 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,500 Yeah, yeah, that's that's the world if everything has 855 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:13,920 firmware. Your life's gonna be crap. Yeah. 856 00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:20,280 Oculus by the way is kick ass it. I do like that. Like that 857 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:20,730 idea. 858 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,250 People don't understand. But what people don't know is that 859 00:57:23,250 --> 00:57:27,330 this is this the last 10 minutes conversation have been of native 860 00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:28,290 ad for archivists. 861 00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:31,530 Hey, let's do something different. 862 00:57:32,910 --> 00:57:39,960 And now it's time for some hot podcasting standards talk. The 863 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,680 same ring 864 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,420 on it. Let's play it again. 865 00:57:46,890 --> 00:57:52,380 And now it's time for some hot podcasting standards talk. 866 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,630 doesn't quite have the same ring. 867 00:57:58,950 --> 00:58:01,710 This is a fresh name. Jennifer. That's 868 00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:04,470 right, baby. We're not We're not messing her. I think she did a 869 00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:06,540 standard one without it without that tagline. 870 00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:13,620 Okay. So the, you know, Castillo's, you and our friends. 871 00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:18,840 Yes. Yes. Yes. Matt And Greg. They are now shipping pod pink 872 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,230 support in their seriously simple podcasting plugin. False. 873 00:58:22,259 --> 00:58:25,019 Yeah. Beautiful. And are we seeing pings? 874 00:58:25,859 --> 00:58:32,279 I have not looked yet. But mostly because I don't know how 875 00:58:32,279 --> 00:58:33,749 to identify them yet. 876 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,710 So by URL, basically. Well, busy. It's 877 00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:39,660 not that these are all self hosted. 878 00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:44,040 Right? Well, yeah. Well, how many self hosted URLs? Will we 879 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,250 see? Not many, I don't think Well, in general, I don't know 880 00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:49,560 how many people are pod pinging and self hosting. 881 00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:54,030 You know, that's, that's a good point. That's a good point. So 882 00:58:54,030 --> 00:59:00,480 we need to start looking for et Cie, I'll just look up throw it 883 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,610 up here and I'll occupant on it. But they they did this in there. 884 00:59:05,730 --> 00:59:09,690 This is like a you know, you can upgrade your WordPress plugin. 885 00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:12,720 So then it's going to take a while for this to sort of like, 886 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:17,070 filter out as people upgrade to the new version that has this in 887 00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:20,520 it. And I don't I mean, I don't know how many installs they 888 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,210 have. I started watching the other day trying to spot some 889 00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:26,970 and I guess just it was just too new. It only been released like 890 00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:32,340 six hours before so nobody had upgraded yet. But I started 891 00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:39,990 trying to figure out how many installs this was. And I want to 892 00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:44,700 say that. I want to say that Matt had told me once before or 893 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:47,880 told us I think he said on the show that it was something like 894 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,790 20,000 But I don't maybe I can be completely made that I can 895 00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,840 make the number of the seats in the past they didn't have a way 896 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,010 like power press plus the fee. generator tagging the RSS feed, 897 01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,280 so that you can identify Okay, here's a power press install 898 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,490 because their power press and N seriously symbol are the same 899 01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:13,260 type of deal. They're both WordPress plugins. And, but the 900 01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:17,400 seriously simple did not put a generator tag in. So I couldn't 901 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,450 always identify. So if it's a self hosted URL, then you don't 902 01:00:21,450 --> 01:00:26,460 know who it is. Or what you don't know how to credit it. 903 01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:30,150 Usually it should be credited, really as Castillo's. But 904 01:00:30,510 --> 01:00:34,230 there's no way to divert to identify. But there, but this is 905 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:37,290 great. I mean, this is awesome. They're using the hybrid key, 906 01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:42,030 that half and half key that we talked about. And they're using 907 01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:44,820 that and they're the first. They're the first one to push 908 01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:50,580 out. Pod ping to self hosted podcasters. Way to go. Yeah, 909 01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:54,930 yes, kids killer, and they're using pod ping dot cloud, which 910 01:00:54,930 --> 01:00:56,250 is the right way to do it. So 911 01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:59,610 the pod press plugin should be able to do this too. I guess 912 01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:00,630 anyone should be able to do it. 913 01:01:00,689 --> 01:01:07,139 Yeah. Yeah. And when I gave Todd and Mike, the keys and 914 01:01:07,139 --> 01:01:09,599 everything for them. Yeah, I think they're I think they're 915 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:09,989 working on 916 01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:12,150 it. Yeah. Now that now that they can stop the Facebook 917 01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:13,230 integration work. 918 01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:17,040 Yeah. Not on the priority list. And that's a 919 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,000 friendly rub. That's a friendly rub. Oh, and I forgot to mention 920 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,340 as part of the previous topic, the Obamas exclusive deal was 921 01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:28,770 ending. And I think we've discussed that many times what 922 01:01:28,770 --> 01:01:31,920 the problems were were that. Yeah, although it's fun to see 923 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,650 the Obama say, Yeah, we're not thinking of renewing with 924 01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:38,640 Spotify, we're looking for another partner. And Zero Hedge. 925 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:44,640 Definitely more conservative. Their headline was Spotify drops 926 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,540 the Obamas. 927 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,870 I think that is probably closer to the truth. 928 01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:56,250 I think so. I think so too. Because, again, didn't pan out 929 01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:57,450 the way they wanted it. 930 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,780 And I'll tell you exactly why it pan it didn't pan out. It has 931 01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:05,790 nothing to do with with their with them politically. It was 932 01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:06,870 boring. 933 01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:10,920 Thank you. This show was so boring. That's the one thing 934 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,950 that everyone forgets to talk about. It was yes. And the Bruce 935 01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:17,760 Springsteen thing that Brock did was like, No, 936 01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:22,560 I sat through an hour and a half of that of that crap, just to 937 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,830 get some funny clips. And I remember that, and I remember 938 01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:27,240 that again, ever again. 939 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,270 I still have one of those clips 940 01:02:30,450 --> 01:02:35,970 that I got a baller at a baller clip from, from the shale. And I 941 01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:37,410 think got a couple of clips from the show. 942 01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:40,440 here's the here's one from Obama Springsteen 943 01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:46,680 and not knock on some doors with me and make some phone calls 944 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,420 with me if you chose this. 945 01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:55,290 No, no, it's not your clip. You're right. What is that? 946 01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,800 That's not Obama springs. Obama Springsteen. 947 01:02:59,190 --> 01:03:01,380 He was fired up, though. Yeah, well, that 948 01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:02,520 was a while ago, I guess. 949 01:03:02,879 --> 01:03:05,909 Maybe Springsteen opened for Obama on this campaign. 950 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,530 We have. This may be your clip. 951 01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:13,650 This episode of The Michelle Obama podcast is brought to you 952 01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,670 by Salesforce. 953 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,140 No, no, that's not it. 954 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,080 Well, that that could have been my clip, because I could have 955 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,290 been saying that this isn't gonna last very long. 956 01:03:22,379 --> 01:03:25,649 Right. Well, you know, from what I understood, they couldn't fill 957 01:03:25,649 --> 01:03:28,139 the the inventory. And that's why after three months, they 958 01:03:28,139 --> 01:03:30,749 opened it up. And every podcast I've had, it was no longer 959 01:03:30,749 --> 01:03:31,499 exclusive. 960 01:03:31,919 --> 01:03:36,989 Yeah. And Spotify told Spotify told the press that Oh, no, that 961 01:03:36,989 --> 01:03:39,389 was just that was just windowing, that was advertiser 962 01:03:39,389 --> 01:03:42,719 windowing. See? Yeah, we were going to keep it exclusive for a 963 01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,899 little while and then open it up, which, you know, and that's 964 01:03:45,899 --> 01:03:48,989 fine that they said that, except now that we now we know, the 965 01:03:48,989 --> 01:03:52,679 Spotify laws about all this stuff they do. So it's not real. 966 01:03:53,069 --> 01:03:53,399 Yeah, 967 01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:58,140 it's, but just bottom line. I just need to say it. It's 968 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,790 individually on a smaller scale. Yeah, you can of course get 969 01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:07,530 sponsors. You know, we do not really have a great what do they 970 01:04:07,530 --> 01:04:12,630 call it programmatic ad insertion industry for 971 01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:16,800 podcasting. And by the nature of the content that cannot be 972 01:04:17,070 --> 01:04:23,790 whatever happened to the ad advertising jacked amongst us 973 01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:27,960 who wanted transcripts so then machines who go in and make sure 974 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,650 there was relevant advertising, it's all to me. This is all just 975 01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:35,310 dreams. No one's doing this work. No one's no one's planning 976 01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:39,720 on it. Yeah, I don't see anybody waiting around for the ship 977 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,320 people. 978 01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:46,590 On the well, yeah, here's something on a similar, a 979 01:04:46,590 --> 01:04:51,780 similar vein but slightly different. Did you read the blue 980 01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:57,480 sky? The latest thing like blog update post thing from the blue 981 01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,620 sky theme. 982 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,220 If you talking to one from a couple of weeks ago or like two 983 01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:04,380 weeks ago. Yes. If there's something newer than 984 01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:07,920 three weeks ago, yeah, yeah, Dan and as like this is from like, 985 01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:10,170 two or three weeks ago where they're talking about their, 986 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,730 their latest, you know, update and what they're working on. And 987 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,750 basically, just bring all of your activity pub and everything 988 01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,810 else that might work, and we'll jam it all in there. That's how 989 01:05:21,810 --> 01:05:22,320 I wrote it. 990 01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:27,150 Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if I can find they, I think they give it 991 01:05:27,150 --> 01:05:30,300 a weird website. I'm not sure if I can actually find it. But 992 01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:34,860 yeah, the Bluse. So, you know, blue sky was split, like a split 993 01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,650 off of Twitter. I don't think they're not part of Twitter or 994 01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:40,500 they. I think they're a separate company. 995 01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:44,220 I'm not sure. Okay. 996 01:05:44,610 --> 01:05:48,420 I think they are. And their whole thing was, was when this 997 01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:52,740 was a brainchild of Jack Dorsey, when he was at Twitter in order 998 01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:59,310 to federate, Twitter, like, turn it into a federated system. 999 01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:01,260 Right, sort of like Mastodon, 1000 01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:06,510 right. Actually, they are in they are independent from 1001 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000 Twitter's development, but they are completely funded by 1002 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:09,450 Twitter. 1003 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,030 Okay, all right. Well, 1004 01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:17,070 I'm sorry, a public benefit LLC. Okay, I guess they are really a 1005 01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:17,940 separate company. 1006 01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:20,970 But their main donor is to it. Yeah. Yeah. 1007 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,590 That's where the resources came from. 1008 01:06:23,549 --> 01:06:26,429 Okay. And I mean, who knows how long they'll they'll last, you 1009 01:06:26,429 --> 01:06:29,789 know, John's Birla called them vaporware. And that's probably 1010 01:06:30,689 --> 01:06:34,439 that's probably closer to reality than anything else. But 1011 01:06:35,729 --> 01:06:41,699 you know, blue the, the blog, kind of, it's called the title 1012 01:06:41,699 --> 01:06:44,909 of the blog post is called a self authenticating social 1013 01:06:44,909 --> 01:06:47,069 protocol is from April 6, 1014 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,170 right? That's sort of what Yeah. 1015 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,590 I think this is worth talking about. Because here's my issue 1016 01:06:55,590 --> 01:06:59,880 with it, they make it kind of clear in this, in this post that 1017 01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,220 they will not be doing activity Pope. They say that activity pub 1018 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:12,120 in there is not doesn't fit their model in me so that 1019 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,990 they're going to, I guess, try to roll something new. Which is 1020 01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,300 fine. I mean, you know, if you want to roll something if it's 1021 01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:21,750 better and activitypub everybody Oh, no, he's the new thing. But 1022 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:30,210 the part that that bothered me was this self authenticating 1023 01:07:30,210 --> 01:07:38,790 data and identity taught in this? This is a this is a thing 1024 01:07:38,790 --> 01:07:44,070 where it's where does the line get crossed? So that it, you 1025 01:07:44,070 --> 01:07:49,320 know, honey, let me come at it a different way. So there's a 1026 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,850 difference between verifying who you are authenticating who you 1027 01:07:53,850 --> 01:08:01,080 are, and identifying who you are. Right? And this feels the 1028 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,880 way they're talking in this article. Feels a little bit too 1029 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,500 much like the second one. 1030 01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:10,440 Identifying who you are. 1031 01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:15,210 Yeah, I want to be they talk a whole lot about identity and how 1032 01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:21,060 you you can own your identity. And then you can take that from 1033 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,270 from social media to social media say okay, I'm the same 1034 01:08:24,270 --> 01:08:25,020 person here is 1035 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,640 this this is this is the next frontier. I think you're seeing 1036 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:36,990 this with the a lot of the oh, what's it called? There's what's 1037 01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:42,060 the initiative? The think ID? Yeah, it's the what did you call 1038 01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:42,210 it? 1039 01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,029 The D ID and distributed? 1040 01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:50,970 No, I'm talking about pure governmental projects where they 1041 01:08:51,180 --> 01:08:54,450 they want everyone to have a wallet on your phone and in the 1042 01:08:54,630 --> 01:09:00,270 in the order that they call it? Maybe cash? No, no you have in 1043 01:09:00,270 --> 01:09:03,510 there as you have your passport, your driver's license your plane 1044 01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:06,810 tickets, a little bit like what Apple already has, but they want 1045 01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:10,890 this to all be on one platform. And of course you will use that 1046 01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:13,800 identity to interact with the government you will use that 1047 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,840 identity pay your taxes you like to use identity to borrow you 1048 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,280 know to watch Netflix, this is what they want. They want they I 1049 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,690 say they because I feel it's a globalist, they want to be able 1050 01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:31,620 to to identify everybody This has always been part of the 1051 01:09:31,650 --> 01:09:35,040 mission. You know, why? Why do we have to scan QR codes 1052 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,300 everywhere. You know, even if you just want to get a test. You 1053 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:40,740 have to scan the QR code. 1054 01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:45,930 And it's it's real easy to go to cross that line between from 1055 01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:49,380 especially when you're talking about it would be social media 1056 01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,110 that would be the thing that would want this first Yes. Once 1057 01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:55,380 you think about it because it and you can describe it in this 1058 01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:58,320 way. This would this is what gets all the tech people fired 1059 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,320 up and you know Hall cotton bother where they want to listen 1060 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,280 to that jingle from Dame Jennifer, they get all fired up 1061 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,150 about all the tech nerds always done this, and I've been guilty 1062 01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:13,470 of it too. We just want the one thing. You know, we don't, why 1063 01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:17,790 should we have to have you know, five different services of this 1064 01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:21,240 and this and this, I mean, it should just be one thing, we 1065 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:26,820 should just have no, just Roku, or just for streaming or one 1066 01:10:26,820 --> 01:10:30,450 box, the streams everything or, or one thing, the app that does 1067 01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:33,000 all these other things. But you know, instead of five different 1068 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,860 standards, and this will be number one, I mean that that 1069 01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:41,820 won't happen ever happen for other reasons. But if it did, 1070 01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:46,950 you would find out that it the the end product is way worse. 1071 01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:53,430 Because then you you, you're there's too much. You're talking 1072 01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:57,180 about centralization. In once everything is centralized, 1073 01:10:57,420 --> 01:11:01,590 especially across systems and across platforms. Now you have 1074 01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:08,340 the, the capability to screw everything up all at once. And 1075 01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:13,920 that can take the form of Oh, you're Yeah, you can own your 1076 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,670 own identity with your own keys and this kind of thing. And you 1077 01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:24,960 can use that identity to sign into Twitter, and Amazon, and 1078 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:30,630 your podcast host and blah, blah, blah. But you know, what, 1079 01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:35,370 if Twitter then flags this dis cryptographic identifier that is 1080 01:11:35,370 --> 01:11:39,930 you, your dog as as fraudulent or as something Yeah, or as 1081 01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:47,550 problematic. Then everything's gone. Your toes so stupid, it's 1082 01:11:47,580 --> 01:11:52,950 it doesn't matter that you own it, that's really irrelevant to 1083 01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:56,100 the creepiness factor in the whole thing. 1084 01:11:56,759 --> 01:11:59,699 Looking at the namespace, I think we're in an interesting 1085 01:11:59,699 --> 01:12:02,519 period now. And I say namespace specifically because we're 1086 01:12:02,519 --> 01:12:05,309 talking about the tags. But overall, we're positioning that 1087 01:12:05,309 --> 01:12:10,229 as the podcast standard. Yeah. Standards, I should say, We're 1088 01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:15,929 in an interesting place where we have a lot of discussion about 1089 01:12:16,049 --> 01:12:21,209 legacy of iTunes tags from the iTunes namespace, as well as and 1090 01:12:21,209 --> 01:12:24,119 I love the conversation, I've kept my mouth shut and just 1091 01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:29,849 watching it, how we shoehorn music into the podcast 1092 01:12:29,849 --> 01:12:35,819 standards. And so regarding the iTunes that we should probably 1093 01:12:35,819 --> 01:12:39,149 talk about that first, and then talk about the music because I 1094 01:12:39,149 --> 01:12:41,999 think we have some important decisions to make. And before we 1095 01:12:41,999 --> 01:12:45,059 get all too deep, we should probably talk about it. But the 1096 01:12:45,059 --> 01:12:50,429 iTunes kind of follows on from the last episode, and that is 1097 01:12:50,429 --> 01:12:54,509 the iTunes block tag, how that's misunderstood that we have the 1098 01:12:54,509 --> 01:13:02,759 proposed podcast index, block tag, or namespace block tag, and 1099 01:13:02,819 --> 01:13:05,999 as well as perhaps a complete replacement dropping for every 1100 01:13:05,999 --> 01:13:10,349 single iTunes namespace tag. And this conversation while you were 1101 01:13:10,349 --> 01:13:13,319 out while you weren't looking, everyone started talking about 1102 01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:18,749 it coming up with their own ideas. Okay, so what are what am 1103 01:13:18,749 --> 01:13:21,299 I? So what are we actually going to do? 1104 01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:25,020 Let's see, that's what I was asked. It's right here on my 1105 01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:29,640 sheet to talk about this iTunes tag, should we bring them all in 1106 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,380 and, you know, unmask? Or in the first question I want to ask is, 1107 01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:40,020 if we bring in all the iTunes tags set up, you know, that way, 1108 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:45,240 sort of like in one swoop? Is that legal, or were they 1109 01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:52,020 patented or anything? Patented? Yes. Because at one point in the 1110 01:13:52,020 --> 01:14:01,620 past, you said that Apple, like some somehow credited you and on 1111 01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,390 the iTunes patent? 1112 01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:10,560 Yeah, they Yeah, they did. How was it? I think it was some 1113 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,380 enhancements. It was literally the that's a good question. 1114 01:14:18,150 --> 01:14:19,980 Let's see what this is. Was 1115 01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:25,320 that pod? Could they actually patent a namespace and don't 1116 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:25,560 know 1117 01:14:26,730 --> 01:14:31,380 that? Well, awesome. It's been a while since I've looked at it. 1118 01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:34,530 It is code and you can patent code. We know that 1119 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,250 unfortunately. 1120 01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:41,280 Yes, here it is. They do have a patent and I shall tell you what 1121 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,810 it is. That's good. We bring this up because we have to deal 1122 01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,450 with it eventually. Okay, so what a reason is not popping up 1123 01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,930 apples received a granted patent that relates to podcasting. In 1124 01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:55,860 June 2005, Apple released iTunes 4.9 with native support for 1125 01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:59,340 podcast, Apple's invention titled techniques and systems 1126 01:14:59,340 --> 01:15:03,570 for support. doing podcasting pertains to improve podcast 1127 01:15:03,570 --> 01:15:10,740 techniques that facilitate their use. Let me see 1128 01:15:11,339 --> 01:15:13,019 if it's very general. 1129 01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:16,380 Well, the improved techniques pertain to creating, publishing, 1130 01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:20,160 hosting, accessing, subscribing, managing, transferring, and or 1131 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,570 playing podcasts. 1132 01:15:22,019 --> 01:15:23,189 Good grief. 1133 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:32,310 But I believe that this is all related to iTunes. Let me see. 1134 01:15:34,980 --> 01:15:39,270 That's a that's this very sparse. Well, if you're on 1135 01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:40,710 the patent, that's what 1136 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:44,790 I'm looking at. Now. This is a a report about the patent. I'm 1137 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:50,610 looking for the patent. I think that had to do with the with 1138 01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:53,970 their with a one click subscribe, maybe that which will 1139 01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:59,490 be the one that would make sense. Okay. Something we'll 1140 01:15:59,490 --> 01:16:01,710 have to look at it's worth it's worth looking into? I don't 1141 01:16:01,710 --> 01:16:03,960 think I mean, it's, I don't think we're in any peril of 1142 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,110 anything whatsoever. But we certainly don't have to use it, 1143 01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:08,730 we just take it out. 1144 01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:10,980 Well, you're not 1145 01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:14,370 gonna get sued for taking it out. What do you mean taking it 1146 01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:17,640 out? If we're not using the iTunes namespace or any of their 1147 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,330 tags? 1148 01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:21,750 No, I mean, if we, if we replicate them, so if we, if we 1149 01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:26,160 just have to go down the list and say, Okay, here's this 1150 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,310 iTunes namespace tag, let's make a podcast namespace equivalent, 1151 01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:33,540 one to one, to make sure that they match perfectly so that we 1152 01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:37,710 everybody can flip from their feeds from iTunes namespace to 1153 01:16:37,710 --> 01:16:43,440 the podcast namespace with just by changing the prefix that, you 1154 01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:48,330 know that some could, you know, the question is, is like, is it 1155 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:53,550 patented? And if it is, is your name on the patent, which would 1156 01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:59,490 give us the ability to do it, to use it in some way? These are, 1157 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,920 these are questions that I have because you know, that's 1158 01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,240 and he's that's a very fair question. 1159 01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:11,220 Huh? Hmm. I mean, we've already we've already done some of them. 1160 01:17:12,090 --> 01:17:15,600 Yeah. No, you 1161 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,660 got me on that one. Because I've completely forgotten about that. 1162 01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:22,320 And we forgotten about it. 1163 01:17:22,830 --> 01:17:24,570 Yeah. How do we how do we get an answer to 1164 01:17:27,450 --> 01:17:31,980 I am quite certain there are enough people within the 1165 01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:35,820 community who will be able to figure this out for us. So once 1166 01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:38,130 we have that figured out, and let's say that we can do it. 1167 01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:44,010 Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. He's back ladies and gentlemen. 1168 01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:48,990 Let's do exactly. Now let's get over to the to the music thing. 1169 01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:52,800 First of all I completely did not understand was my head was 1170 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,250 in podcasting. My head was in bad experiences with POD show me 1171 01:17:56,250 --> 01:18:03,510 vo about playlists. And this was this as a namespace tag proposed 1172 01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:09,120 by Alex gates. And he texted me you know, many people were 1173 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,870 posting about it. This is really something that would work very 1174 01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:15,090 well for playlist of songs. 1175 01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:18,690 Were you were you kidding about the playlist with the remote 1176 01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:18,990 Yeah, 1177 01:18:19,019 --> 01:18:22,499 you will remote item right? You can include an item which I 1178 01:18:22,499 --> 01:18:25,559 believe if you do it with the item it would even it should if 1179 01:18:25,589 --> 01:18:29,219 if item level tags exist it should do value for value that 1180 01:18:29,249 --> 01:18:33,059 will copy that right over correct. And yeah, if 1181 01:18:33,060 --> 01:18:35,010 that goes into the spec Yeah, right. 1182 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:41,550 So I like this of course I like the question I have is we have 1183 01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:48,090 no APR on the wolf and we have couple other people doing music 1184 01:18:48,090 --> 01:18:50,610 projects. You know, there's people trying to figure out do I 1185 01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:54,030 do one feed for my whole album Do I just do and I don't know if 1186 01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:55,500 there's any right or wrong answer. I don't think there's 1187 01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,030 any wrong answer. Do I do in 1188 01:18:57,030 --> 01:19:00,900 Spanish lessons banned the first value for value have been music 1189 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,790 podcasts right right was banned. Now he's a cripple grip. 1190 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:13,530 So now we're talking about putting like album information 1191 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:19,860 in a in a very specifically named podcast namespace tag. Is 1192 01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:26,190 this a good idea? Does it become confusing? Is there some hybrid 1193 01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:30,840 we need to come up with when it comes to music? Or are the names 1194 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,630 wrong? You know what I mean? It's really weird to have some 1195 01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:36,930 talk about an episode and that's where I'm putting track. You 1196 01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:40,950 know, under the hood, it makes no difference. 1197 01:19:41,099 --> 01:19:43,319 Well, that comes into the mystery. That's where the medium 1198 01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:48,119 tag comes in. Because when it that was the whole idea of the 1199 01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:54,749 medium tag is when you when you identify this podcast, with a 1200 01:19:54,809 --> 01:19:59,189 particular medium, and all the terminology can change. 1201 01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:00,930 Oh, Really? 1202 01:20:01,290 --> 01:20:05,820 Yes. If you say this is medium music, yeah, or me, then 1203 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,850 everything, then they're no longer episodes. They're their 1204 01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:10,950 tracks. Oh, good. 1205 01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:14,700 Okay, so here's an example, Mitch posted. I was chatting 1206 01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:18,960 with Alex about this. He thinks that podcast network tag, aka 1207 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,280 podcast channel tag will be a good fit for music artist. See, 1208 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,480 I totally disagree. It may be the right spot in the feed. But 1209 01:20:27,570 --> 01:20:32,640 this is confusing for people. In what way tell me the confusion 1210 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:36,720 if I'm an artist, and I have to, and I and I presumably am going 1211 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,110 to have to figure out how to put together my feed for however I'm 1212 01:20:40,110 --> 01:20:45,720 going to use it. I want to see if it's music artists, why isn't 1213 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,310 the tag called music artist? Why is the tag podcast channel you 1214 01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:51,150 understand what I'm saying? 1215 01:20:54,270 --> 01:20:59,430 Or the podcasts net, the channel slash network tag is for 1216 01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:06,150 aggregating multiple podcasts into a single into a single sort 1217 01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:13,650 of virtual network of shows. So it's like, it's a way to 1218 01:21:13,650 --> 01:21:21,630 identify this feed is part of a broader fee is a broader Am I 1219 01:21:21,630 --> 01:21:25,050 trying to say is if let's just say there's a channel 1220 01:21:25,050 --> 01:21:29,010 identifier, and the channel identifier is I'm just making 1221 01:21:29,010 --> 01:21:32,610 this up. This is not the spec. But there's a channel ID and the 1222 01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:39,900 channel ID is you know, 12345 and 17. RSS feeds have a channel 1223 01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:45,870 identifier of 12345. All seven of those three of those podcast 1224 01:21:45,870 --> 01:21:51,330 feeds would logically be seen as, as a pod as a network of 1225 01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:56,760 feeds, or a channel of feeds. And that channel of feeds could 1226 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:02,070 be the Doobie Brothers. So the Doobie Brothers could be 12345. 1227 01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:07,350 And then each album within there has that identifier, and it's 1228 01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:09,030 showing that it's part part part 1229 01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:12,630 of the series. Catalog got the Doobie Brothers? I'm just 1230 01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:18,210 talking purely about the words, is it confusing? To use all 1231 01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:23,130 podcast specific terminology when people are using music for 1232 01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:26,790 the feed specifically, I may be off on this, it may not make any 1233 01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:30,150 difference people. For instance, by April Kirby have been looking 1234 01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:34,320 into the person tag, we use band name as person with role equals 1235 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,220 band set in the feed level. Which I which I don't think 1236 01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:40,860 that's his band, even an option. He's just putting that in. 1237 01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:42,540 Probably, 1238 01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:45,060 I don't know what had the taxonomies big and have to look 1239 01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:47,130 no further than the head. 1240 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,360 But the bottom line is the minute you have the medium tag, 1241 01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:56,250 and it says music, then technically, all these tags 1242 01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:57,900 would be would make sense. 1243 01:22:58,740 --> 01:23:02,730 Yes, that's because when you when you bring in the medium 1244 01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:09,690 tag, what you're doing is you're applying sort of a logical layer 1245 01:23:09,690 --> 01:23:15,750 on top of the feed that changes things about the feed. So you 1246 01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:19,410 can imagine it as like a is like a filter. And so every 1247 01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:24,480 everywhere that something like the term episode existed now it 1248 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,660 it's track everywhere that that per, you know, person existed 1249 01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:34,980 now it's in a musician or whatever, you know, and it's now 1250 01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:40,500 no longer you know, Episode art, its album art, these all these 1251 01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:46,080 things become different, just by virtue of having the different 1252 01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:51,240 medium in there because you're, you're saying that you're saying 1253 01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,690 that dislike okay, it helps to understand, it helps to 1254 01:23:54,690 --> 01:24:01,680 understand by knowing that the default medium is podcast, the 1255 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:07,650 default medium type is podcast. So then if you change it to, to 1256 01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:15,960 the medium to let's say film, now that that episode is you 1257 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,790 know is a maybe you have one episode there that's a trailer 1258 01:24:21,090 --> 01:24:24,690 in the next episode is the is the feature film. You're not 1259 01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:30,030 talking you're no longer talking about episodes and podcasters 1260 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,130 you're talking about this other thing, 1261 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,900 you know what I'm just saying, you know, when I think I'm hung 1262 01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:39,000 up on I'm hung up on how how musicians are going to because 1263 01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,750 if we let it go, musicians are going to get on, you know, any 1264 01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,840 hosting company that that has at least enough of the tax 1265 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,980 compatible is going to create their albums in an I think in a 1266 01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:54,450 crippled way versus if we have some really, you know what, how 1267 01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:59,820 are musicians the average musician is wants to create an 1268 01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:03,690 owl Problem with value for value. They're going to have to 1269 01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:07,080 go somewhere. And I don't think the existing hosting companies 1270 01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:11,310 will make it broad enough for most music musicians to make 1271 01:25:11,310 --> 01:25:14,910 that switch in their head. Okay, it's a podcast, but now I'm 1272 01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:18,960 using these these things for my album title, you know, I'm 1273 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,540 saying it's like, that's such, it's easy for us, because we 1274 01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:24,420 understand the tags, we understand how it works, but a 1275 01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:25,530 musician is gonna go. 1276 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,580 Yeah, I see. Yeah, yeah, to me, 1277 01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:33,330 maybe it's more the UX and UI of the feed creation I'm looking at 1278 01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:38,910 used to even be that an artist needs to go there. It needs to 1279 01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:42,420 be really simple, like, okay, you know, I'm dragging these 1280 01:25:42,420 --> 01:25:46,410 tracks in or whatever it is. And this is, and this is the, the 1281 01:25:46,410 --> 01:25:49,530 order I want them in. And here's the art. And here's all the 1282 01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:53,730 other things. And then there's other choices like, is it my, do 1283 01:25:53,730 --> 01:25:56,820 I just do a bunch of songs all my life long and it's one feed? 1284 01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:00,060 Or is it I mean, that those are all different things. But the 1285 01:26:00,090 --> 01:26:03,750 feed creation, if we keep going this way, I think we're going to 1286 01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:06,390 hurt ourselves. Because there'll be a lot of musicians who don't 1287 01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:11,730 understand how an album and tracks fit into a podcast. 1288 01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:16,620 This is all UI. It just feels like it's all UI, because you 1289 01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:21,690 can logically see how it how it works. But yes, of course, if 1290 01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:25,770 you don't present Yeah. In the right way. It's a confusing, 1291 01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:29,580 it's a confusing mess. Yeah, no, I guess it's a good thing that 1292 01:26:29,580 --> 01:26:31,680 you brought that up, because it could very easily become this 1293 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,580 Gordian knot of, you know, impenetrable language. 1294 01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:39,600 Right. And I like the exploring that we're figuring out what, 1295 01:26:39,630 --> 01:26:45,180 what, what tags work best for which, which comparable piece of 1296 01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:50,340 information of, of music metadata? Well, there you go, 1297 01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:52,890 Steven B. Create that, will you build it already? 1298 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,650 Yeah, well, I mean, so I mean, this level of view is hard. 1299 01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:02,040 Because yes, just one master switch where you say, Okay, this 1300 01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,010 is not a podcast anymore. Now, this is an audio book. And now 1301 01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:07,530 these are not tracks, they're chapters, is 1302 01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:10,590 like, feels to me, like there's got to be some this, we're 1303 01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,570 overlooking something, or there's something we should 1304 01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:13,650 probably I don't know, 1305 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,890 I've done this before I've there, there have, I have 1306 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:24,090 production software that does something similar to this, you 1307 01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:29,580 can change you, you change a parameter. And everything in the 1308 01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:35,700 entire URL, UI changes, changes its text, from one thing to 1309 01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:41,550 another, have got actually two products that do this, projects 1310 01:27:41,550 --> 01:27:47,640 that do this. And it's not, it's not super hard. It's just that 1311 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,940 you have to, you got to take the time to code it in, you got to 1312 01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:54,000 do it carefully. So that you've, you're not screwing things up, 1313 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,550 maybe it is doable, it's not the end of the world. 1314 01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:59,220 I think it's low hanging fruit is what I'm maybe what I'm 1315 01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:04,050 saying it's this, let's see to let's do this, because the 1316 01:28:04,050 --> 01:28:07,530 musicians are showing up, they want to use it, they like 1317 01:28:07,530 --> 01:28:10,740 they've already figured out, Hey, I could do this with you 1318 01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:14,640 know, each podcast could be a song and I could possibly get 1319 01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,000 some value for the value I've put into my work. So they're 1320 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,330 figuring it out. They're showing up they want to do it. And I 1321 01:28:21,330 --> 01:28:23,700 just see people struggling because I guess you're gonna 1322 01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:26,700 have to create your feed manually, or I'm not sure. And 1323 01:28:26,730 --> 01:28:31,800 there's all kinds of pros and cons. I think when you're if 1324 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:38,310 you're doing a 12 track album, you probably can look at a very 1325 01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:45,540 simple self hosting solution versus you know, a hosting 1326 01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:46,110 company. 1327 01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,280 Yeah, cuz that way Yeah. And that way you're not because 1328 01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,120 you're just doing a one on one and done. Just every so often. 1329 01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:58,080 You're not, that's it's hard to just find maybe monthly payment 1330 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,890 for that forever. And you could just self host it. Yeah, there 1331 01:29:01,890 --> 01:29:05,070 was something like sovereign fades. Yeah. Yeah, I can see 1332 01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:08,730 that. And then you you see that UI in your head and it's like, 1333 01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:12,330 okay, there's a there's a drop down box and what type of thing 1334 01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,420 Yeah. Yeah, book. 1335 01:29:15,509 --> 01:29:19,079 Yeah, just like we have for the eight sovereign sovereign feet. 1336 01:29:19,109 --> 01:29:21,689 You know, the live item every everything changes. Now, there's 1337 01:29:21,689 --> 01:29:23,699 some live things I got to fill out. 1338 01:29:24,030 --> 01:29:28,080 Yeah, that's, that's kind of cool. And it also the presence 1339 01:29:28,110 --> 01:29:33,150 of that flip down, that drop down, shows people that they can 1340 01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:35,850 do other things. Oh, cool. I can I didn't know I can make a 1341 01:29:36,089 --> 01:29:40,229 good point album. Yeah, good point. Good point discovery. And 1342 01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:43,439 I gotta say, sovereign feeds is becoming a good piece of kit. 1343 01:29:44,219 --> 01:29:46,889 I've been using it for months. I've been using it for months 1344 01:29:46,889 --> 01:29:51,089 and you know, and it's never really failed, but it's Steven 1345 01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:55,469 keeps refining the UI and there's little things he changes 1346 01:29:55,469 --> 01:29:57,479 you know, just the, the beautiful things like this is 1347 01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,079 automatically copy you know, that's there or that is just 1348 01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,169 almost everything except incrementing. Which I, which I 1349 01:30:04,169 --> 01:30:07,889 don't want, by the way. Just another piece of low hanging 1350 01:30:07,889 --> 01:30:11,579 fruit that I've been having a back and forth was roofie about 1351 01:30:11,609 --> 01:30:13,529 Rofi of caste coverage.com. 1352 01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:18,180 Oh, Ria roof roof. Roof roof. Yeah. 1353 01:30:19,410 --> 01:30:25,260 He, like others. He said, Hey, I really I it resonated with me 1354 01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:30,720 that 40% of women according to a survey, listen to podcasts on 1355 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:38,130 the website. And he said, What is it an idea for the podcast 1356 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:47,310 apps to offer? Ready to go websites to podcasters. And the 1357 01:30:47,310 --> 01:30:50,490 way we were kind of going back and forth, it's like, well, I 1358 01:30:50,490 --> 01:30:56,190 could choose a curio caster website, a cast calm coverage 1359 01:30:56,190 --> 01:30:59,790 website. And these would all be in all and all they're doing is 1360 01:30:59,790 --> 01:31:02,010 they're pulling in pulling in the feed, of course, you know, 1361 01:31:02,010 --> 01:31:05,730 there's, I think I made one of these, what's that there's a 1362 01:31:05,730 --> 01:31:08,400 couple of different different outfits like that where they 1363 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,490 pull in your feed, and they make make a website for you. And then 1364 01:31:11,490 --> 01:31:13,830 they give you a whole bunch of buttons for Google and Apple and 1365 01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:14,490 Spotify. 1366 01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:17,250 Language, which you can't 1367 01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:20,490 get rid of, you know, as they I don't want these two, there's 1368 01:31:20,490 --> 01:31:23,100 not the right night, the right customization, but they have 1369 01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:27,810 nice design. And right there could be built Hey, you're 1370 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,450 you're listening to the podcast, would you like to support it, 1371 01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:34,260 click here. I mean, that is, in essence, what the web app, web 1372 01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:38,160 apps are on on desktop, but also on mobile, is that got 1373 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,370 everything all there, except instead of showing episodes, 1374 01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:46,020 and, and your subscriptions, that should be a click of the 1375 01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:49,770 button when you've drawn people in. But it shouldn't be I should 1376 01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:52,410 have a beautiful homepage, I want to send people to what I 1377 01:31:52,410 --> 01:31:56,070 want them to look at, I want to send episode pages. And from 1378 01:31:56,070 --> 01:32:00,210 there, depending on how good the the website is, and the ad the 1379 01:32:00,210 --> 01:32:05,250 app that provides it. And that's where you want to entice people 1380 01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:10,350 to start using that app. Which clearly they're already doing. 1381 01:32:10,410 --> 01:32:15,360 It's just except it's a web page. So I'd love to have an I 1382 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:20,910 tried to share all the time with a curio caster or a dump pod 1383 01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:26,010 verse or pod friend, but it'd be great if what I'm sending him to 1384 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,370 He's actually my homepage and I could map my URL to it. Oh, and 1385 01:32:29,370 --> 01:32:34,140 by the way, take an extra an extra percentage from from the 1386 01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:37,200 split here. I'll put it right in for you. That's cool. Thank you 1387 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,720 for the homepage. Low hanging fruit. 1388 01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:43,860 Yeah, and we could put that week if it was done in a standardized 1389 01:32:43,860 --> 01:32:49,920 way I'm not sure what that would be to think through it. But if 1390 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,440 it was done in a standard standardized sort of templated 1391 01:32:52,440 --> 01:32:58,410 way we could link to those things from from the pod cast 1392 01:32:58,410 --> 01:33:02,670 index I'm sure and he could just pop this oh hey I want I want to 1393 01:33:02,670 --> 01:33:06,000 see my curio caster page and then you go over there and 1394 01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:08,880 I mean literally what would Ruthie was saying is you know 1395 01:33:09,180 --> 01:33:15,210 right now we have you know for for each item there's obviously 1396 01:33:15,210 --> 01:33:19,020 a link tag you know which which would be an episode page but it 1397 01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:24,030 would be an episode page on a nice website that reflects my my 1398 01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:29,580 podcast my branding you know whatever it is but also the cast 1399 01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:35,100 coverage branding or you know the pod friend it's all Yeah, 1400 01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,510 it's a balance but I can see it's again 40% of women 1401 01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:43,740 according to a survey listen not on an app but listen to it on a 1402 01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:48,450 website that click and a player Come on this is like this is 1403 01:33:48,450 --> 01:33:52,830 what we this is where you want to be the Episode Episode guid 1404 01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:59,190 would be or the episode URL I mean there's all different ways 1405 01:33:59,190 --> 01:34:00,840 to do it. But 1406 01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:03,420 for it let's work let's work it out on the Macedon and then 1407 01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:06,450 we'll and then we'll like build standard out of it. 1408 01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:10,980 I like it I like this and by the way I would use it. I have I 1409 01:34:10,980 --> 01:34:15,210 have a couple of shows. I would love to have like mo facts I 1410 01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:17,970 think we can do a lot better with a with a podcast website 1411 01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:22,410 Korean the keeper. G How about podcasting? 2.0 we have exactly 1412 01:34:22,410 --> 01:34:27,480 zero homepage we do not have an archive page we don't have 1413 01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,080 nothing 1414 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,850 we have an OPML 1415 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,100 outline we do have that yes 1416 01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,670 I was very sexy outline though. 1417 01:34:35,970 --> 01:34:40,080 Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Did you upgrade freedom controller 1418 01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:46,560 me one someone posted something on like questions like that 1419 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,450 because to me something changed and I didn't know 1420 01:34:48,450 --> 01:34:50,700 someone posted something and said freedom controllers 1421 01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:55,680 upgraded from forget which version it was. And it looking 1422 01:34:56,010 --> 01:34:56,940 in your feet. 1423 01:34:56,969 --> 01:35:00,569 No, no, no, it's I was it was a poll. Most 1424 01:35:01,770 --> 01:35:05,550 men and what me? I don't know what that was. I'd be 1425 01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:08,310 interesting. I'm curious to know what it was though. 1426 01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,640 I'll have to go and look for it. I was thinking to myself man 1427 01:35:11,670 --> 01:35:14,820 Davies incredible man, he's got three seconds of downtime in 1428 01:35:14,820 --> 01:35:21,180 between now you're scraping his kid off the pavement. Update the 1429 01:35:21,180 --> 01:35:22,050 freedom controller. 1430 01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:28,110 The hospital delivered the food 15 minutes to push a Docker 1431 01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:31,560 image. Okay, we want to thank some people. 1432 01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:38,310 Yes, right off the bat. We need to thank an incredible patron of 1433 01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:43,710 many value for value projects who sent us in his traditional 1434 01:35:43,710 --> 01:35:49,770 manner in all cash which means it's always very freaky to see 1435 01:35:49,770 --> 01:35:54,480 the show up and showed up on my PO Box. I'm talking about the 1436 01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:59,460 patron saint sister anonymous of Dogpatch and lower Slobo via 1437 01:35:59,790 --> 01:36:04,590 Oh we got some sir anonymous love on this show $4,000 1438 01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:05,550 in cash 1439 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,690 in cash 1440 01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:11,910 shot caller 20 is blades on Ambala 1441 01:36:12,930 --> 01:36:16,590 he says no. He says no no, but now he always sends cash when he 1442 01:36:16,590 --> 01:36:20,340 sends a donations because he's completely anonymous. We know a 1443 01:36:20,340 --> 01:36:23,820 little bit about him but not really. And it just showed up in 1444 01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:27,270 the envelope and it says For podcast index that's all it said 1445 01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:31,950 and so I I have his email and I say yeah, I got a man blown away 1446 01:36:31,950 --> 01:36:36,120 by this did you have anything to say or can we credit you said no 1447 01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,400 you can credit unusual but you know it's just it's what the 1448 01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,160 index is. This is important he said this is important what 1449 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,960 you're doing so yeah, holy cow. It would have been even more 1450 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,480 impressive you if you sent it as a boost but okay 1451 01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,150 never escaped criticism. 1452 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,060 So we'll give them a big guy. 1453 01:36:59,610 --> 01:37:03,150 Man, my son is direct motorcycle every week. Amazing. 1454 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,050 This is really appreciated this this goes right into the 1455 01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:10,980 emergency fund this this goes into our sky we're very I mean, 1456 01:37:10,980 --> 01:37:14,070 I could not be more over the moon about this. Thank you so 1457 01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:18,720 much. Toronto, Mr. Dogpatch and lower Slovenia. Yeah, isn't that 1458 01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:19,260 nice? 1459 01:37:19,349 --> 01:37:21,179 Yeah, I'm a little bit speechless to be honest. But 1460 01:37:21,180 --> 01:37:25,410 yet imagine imagine I come home from the PA there's always fun 1461 01:37:25,410 --> 01:37:27,810 stuff when I come back from the PIO box and you never know 1462 01:37:27,810 --> 01:37:32,340 what's in it. Does this challenge coin stickers, Bibles, 1463 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:39,390 food edibles, edibles other other unmentionables ammo people 1464 01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:42,420 send the crazy stuff. And there's this thick envelope and 1465 01:37:42,420 --> 01:37:44,850 you know teenagers we love opening this stuff together we 1466 01:37:44,850 --> 01:37:47,310 do it right there on the on the kitchen on the island. You know, 1467 01:37:47,310 --> 01:37:51,030 we we cook and it's we got all the boxes like Christmas like 1468 01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:53,850 Christmas. Look at all these cool things people say. And then 1469 01:37:53,850 --> 01:37:58,650 she says what is this? wad of hundreds? 1470 01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,440 Like I don't know, but handed out give it Give it here. I'll 1471 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:01,920 take it out. 1472 01:38:01,950 --> 01:38:05,430 Now she right away when she was dusting for prints during the UV 1473 01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:08,640 light. I'm going to find out who this guy is. Thank you Esther 1474 01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,460 Onra. So Dogpatch Marshall govia. This incredibly 1475 01:38:11,460 --> 01:38:15,240 appreciated. It's one of those dubious sources were funded by 1476 01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:22,080 dubious sources named unnamed sources. Yes. to the chagrin of 1477 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,990 the Brookings Institute, we have dubious sources and we also have 1478 01:38:25,020 --> 01:38:29,040 non dubious sources. Marco Arment $500 1479 01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:30,870 This is a week 1480 01:38:32,910 --> 01:38:37,260 this is the week we don't do a show, right? Get the biggest 1481 01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:38,220 donations ever. 1482 01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,900 It's it's funny, it's sometimes it's like that is really weird. 1483 01:38:42,930 --> 01:38:48,150 Yes. Well Marco, of course is a monthly contributor. And and 1484 01:38:48,180 --> 01:38:52,950 this is this is our ongoing support that he is he's 1485 01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:55,680 dedicated and it just keeps going to really appreciate it 1486 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:56,220 Marco 1487 01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:59,789 Yeah, and cuz because I always worry you know, when we have to 1488 01:38:59,789 --> 01:39:02,999 skip a show because people people are supporting the index 1489 01:39:03,059 --> 01:39:07,769 and the project that they're also supporting the show and we 1490 01:39:07,769 --> 01:39:11,219 end the show is is partially not just where we have the board 1491 01:39:11,219 --> 01:39:14,579 meeting best way to give you know give a product of value and 1492 01:39:14,579 --> 01:39:14,699 it's 1493 01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,730 where we ask is where we thank you where we show the value and 1494 01:39:17,730 --> 01:39:21,240 where we ask for value in return is critical critical so I always 1495 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,520 worry when we miss a week because I'm like yeah, you know 1496 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,970 we get I mean I want people to hear the product and hear 1497 01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:29,340 everything that's happening and all that kind of stuff but man 1498 01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:33,210 this was fantastic. I hope that doesn't mean that we did they 1499 01:39:33,210 --> 01:39:35,640 enjoy it better when we don't when we don't produce the show. 1500 01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,730 No no no What did what this means is the next episode will 1501 01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:43,560 have almost no donation nothing. And then you know, that'll last 1502 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,500 a few weeks that we roll out the sad puppy and we're back on 1503 01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:49,800 track. It always evens and it always evens out in the end. But 1504 01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,580 what's beautiful to see is the value people attached to the 1505 01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:54,750 project and what we're doing. 1506 01:39:56,670 --> 01:40:01,620 Thank you Mark Mike Dell from blueberry gave us $22.22 For 1507 01:40:01,620 --> 01:40:05,610 through PayPal Yeah, thank you might get a give me give me some 1508 01:40:05,610 --> 01:40:08,130 popping love mike so I can I can pivot 1509 01:40:08,460 --> 01:40:10,500 with this Fiat ducks. Yeah 1510 01:40:11,730 --> 01:40:18,210 somebody named Scott niznik Does Nick isn't it isn't it give us 1511 01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,320 $1 through Pay Pal one time donation Thank you we'll take it 1512 01:40:24,150 --> 01:40:28,710 as we get this Graham's histogram pulled up here 1513 01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,300 my favorite I got mad I should have had this one lined up 1514 01:40:33,300 --> 01:40:35,550 alright there's nothing like kicking off the booster ramp 1515 01:40:35,550 --> 01:40:41,520 segment with a little bit of love that 1516 01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:49,200 Paul Stanley boosts 3333 sets from now this goes way back I 1517 01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,350 mean because we missed it we missed a week. Yeah, this goes 1518 01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:57,870 way back to April the 10th 3333 stats through fountain from 1519 01:40:57,870 --> 01:41:01,620 signs of new growth, the podcast Did you listen to signs of new 1520 01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:02,010 growth? 1521 01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:05,730 I want to say I have a wife who was 1522 01:41:05,970 --> 01:41:10,800 a music podcast it's it's basically a rolling album of 1523 01:41:10,890 --> 01:41:11,460 tracks. 1524 01:41:11,580 --> 01:41:15,870 I know I know this because signs of new growth is the handle on 1525 01:41:17,130 --> 01:41:20,040 on the Macedon. That's why I've seen the postings from signs of 1526 01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:20,610 new growth. 1527 01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:23,880 Yeah, I got some good tunes on these. Listen. Yeah, cool. Okay. 1528 01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:28,110 Yeah. 3333 This is Dave Jones tech support feed refreshed 1529 01:41:28,110 --> 01:41:31,920 boost. It's been so long ago. I don't even know what I did. 1530 01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,340 Alright, keep doing it. It's working. Keep doing it. Yes. 1531 01:41:35,460 --> 01:41:38,910 Middle Aged dev gave us 500 SAS through fountaining. He says go 1532 01:41:38,910 --> 01:41:45,750 server upgrades. By the way. Speaking of server upgrades, the 1533 01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:51,690 aggregator rollout is finished. Congratulations. We dropped our 1534 01:41:52,260 --> 01:42:00,300 we dropped our monthly outlay on the aggregators from $175 to 1535 01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:01,440 $45. 1536 01:42:01,589 --> 01:42:04,049 Ooh, nice. Yep, 1537 01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:04,980 that's a part. 1538 01:42:05,130 --> 01:42:07,290 That's a huge savings. 1539 01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:15,390 Yep, we saved 130 bucks. And so the about about 40 of that will 1540 01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:19,710 go back into a couple of more aggregators. And then the rest 1541 01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:22,530 of it will go into upgrade the database to bigger via 1542 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:24,180 beautiful web. 1543 01:42:25,380 --> 01:42:31,560 And by the way, huge thank you to McIntosh on Mastodon, who has 1544 01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:37,530 been helping me to tweak our we use MySQL he's been helping me 1545 01:42:37,530 --> 01:42:42,360 tweak our MySQL server settings pool and he's been given me a 1546 01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,780 lot of help with what his recommended he's a he's a guru 1547 01:42:45,780 --> 01:42:49,290 and he's been given me a lot of help on which configuration 1548 01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:52,980 variables to use for our particular setup. So I'm going 1549 01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:55,860 to do I'm going to roll out his changes that he recommended when 1550 01:42:55,860 --> 01:43:00,870 I do the server upgrade probably in May. So it's going to be her 1551 01:43:00,930 --> 01:43:04,380 it Yeah, I really appreciate him he just privately D and means 1552 01:43:04,380 --> 01:43:06,900 like, hey, let's get this thing. Let's get this thing in shape. 1553 01:43:08,430 --> 01:43:11,550 Thank you for that value Macintosh. So sir dug through 1554 01:43:11,550 --> 01:43:18,150 fountain gives 4400 SATs and he says Welcome back. You see, we 1555 01:43:18,150 --> 01:43:22,650 got 3333 again from saizen New Growth thank you so as new 1556 01:43:22,650 --> 01:43:29,430 growth and we got a 20 to 22 Row ducks from jaunty ms through 1557 01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:32,400 breeze and he says, listening to MIT OpenCourseWare 1558 01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,370 cryptocurrency engineering and design taught by the co author 1559 01:43:35,370 --> 01:43:38,790 of the lightning white paper. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. All 1560 01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:42,420 right. All right. This is euro dogs. 1561 01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,450 He boosted that to us, but 1562 01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:49,860 I wonder what that's well, maybe we got Putting the value block 1563 01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:53,430 somewhere. Yeah, maybe that's really jarring when when I'm 1564 01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:57,180 looking at heli pad, and all of a sudden, like, something shows 1565 01:43:57,180 --> 01:43:58,710 up for a whole different podcast. 1566 01:43:59,190 --> 01:44:02,550 Yeah. Went to us. It was to us for the case of 81. 1567 01:44:02,940 --> 01:44:06,780 Okay, but I have seen this one when we're put into, into 1568 01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:09,390 someone's value block and it shows on the podcast like, well, 1569 01:44:09,390 --> 01:44:11,850 what is this doing here? Oh, we must have put it in the split. 1570 01:44:11,850 --> 01:44:16,560 Okay. Cool. We wouldn't mind seeing more of that. Yeah, 1571 01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:19,440 that would be that'd be a welcome change. Auburn citadel. 1572 01:44:19,470 --> 01:44:25,440 Give us 49,000 SATs. Whoa. And through fountain any says Public 1573 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,120 Service Announcement stay up to date on your 1574 01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,000 boosts? Boost. Nice. Thank you. 1575 01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:33,600 I agree. That is very, very public service announcement. 1576 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:40,470 Karen from mere mortals podcast. Through pod friend gave us 3210 1577 01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:44,340 SATs and he says I used to manually screenshot copy and 1578 01:44:44,370 --> 01:44:47,010 upload booster grant comments into my chapter images for a 1579 01:44:47,010 --> 01:44:50,220 while until it became too tedious. I would 100% use an 1580 01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:52,350 automated version of this great idea Adam. 1581 01:44:53,340 --> 01:44:58,020 All right. This was the idea to have boosted grams automatically 1582 01:44:58,020 --> 01:45:05,010 generate the chapter JSON outdated as you go along. Yeah, 1583 01:45:05,190 --> 01:45:09,120 I would I would use that in some instances, some instances. 1584 01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:13,380 I'm sure Dred Scott would too because it would give him more 1585 01:45:13,410 --> 01:45:15,510 tools in his Swiss Army Knife toolbox. 1586 01:45:15,930 --> 01:45:18,900 There's so much that can be done with with chapters. 1587 01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:26,100 Caspe eland gave us 33 sets and he says, I hate listening live 1588 01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:26,670 week. 1589 01:45:32,940 --> 01:45:36,780 Caspian again 330 SAS and he says, about the aggregator 1590 01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:40,980 nodes. How about decentralized? I got some spare V VPU clicks on 1591 01:45:40,980 --> 01:45:44,490 my end many ways. That's something we've talked about 1592 01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:45,150 before I 1593 01:45:45,150 --> 01:45:45,840 remember that. 1594 01:45:47,010 --> 01:45:52,200 And it is something I'm still very willing to do. We backed 1595 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:56,520 off from it, because there's a danger there. If you don't 1596 01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:01,440 design it mean like perfectly, is the danger of just basically 1597 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:04,710 becoming a huge DDoS machine on podcast hosting companies. 1598 01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:09,000 Yeah, well, this is also from that, I think stemmed the whole 1599 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,060 pod picking development. So ultimately, everyone will be 1600 01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:14,070 using pod ping. Right. 1601 01:46:14,910 --> 01:46:20,490 Yep. Right. Exactly. And we're seeing it roll out. It's, it's 1602 01:46:20,490 --> 01:46:26,460 marching forward. I love it. I mean, I said, I think I said 1603 01:46:26,610 --> 01:46:30,360 towards, I think I said a couple months ago, or maybe a month ago 1604 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:36,900 that I really think that we're going to be pushing 400,000 1605 01:46:37,530 --> 01:46:41,490 podcast feeds, using pod paying by the end of the year. Oh, I 1606 01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:45,630 think that's more than feasible. Close to half a million feeds. 1607 01:46:46,260 --> 01:46:49,560 And I think at that point, it just becomes at that moment at 1608 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:49,770 that 1609 01:46:49,770 --> 01:46:52,890 point. Yeah, at that point. You also have most of the active 1610 01:46:53,190 --> 01:46:54,360 podcast probably. 1611 01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:58,380 Yeah, yeah. All you really honestly, all you really need is 1612 01:46:58,380 --> 01:47:03,780 probably the top and I'm not including anchor and I mean, 1613 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,890 obviously blah, blah. But you know, as far as the paid hosts 1614 01:47:07,890 --> 01:47:12,510 go, really only all you need is maybe the top 10 And you have 1615 01:47:12,510 --> 01:47:17,640 covered you've covered almost everything that's a routinely 1616 01:47:17,670 --> 01:47:18,780 update frequently update. 1617 01:47:18,810 --> 01:47:23,850 We need a promotion team at Podcast Movement in August in 1618 01:47:23,850 --> 01:47:27,600 Dallas. Yeah. A pod ping promotion team. 1619 01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:30,780 pppd. Yes, 1620 01:47:30,810 --> 01:47:34,320 thank you. And I'm not quite sure exactly what they do. I do 1621 01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,930 know what the goal is. But would they need some? 1622 01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:42,180 Just laughing because this is creating teams for things that 1623 01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:42,930 we don't understand. 1624 01:47:43,230 --> 01:47:48,030 Well, you know, one of my favorite marketing promotions of 1625 01:47:48,030 --> 01:47:51,060 all time very successful in all of the marketing books is I want 1626 01:47:51,060 --> 01:47:56,010 my MTV Yeah, you like that? So I want my pod ping but that sounds 1627 01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:59,100 shit. So we got to come up with something better but you know, 1628 01:48:00,330 --> 01:48:07,290 ping me, maybe ping me. Okay, well, to be worked on, but in 1629 01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:11,010 general, I would say pod ping is a big one to talk about it at 1630 01:48:11,130 --> 01:48:13,680 Podcast Movement. We're gonna have a presence this year. We're 1631 01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,620 going to be there we're going to be in full force. Oh heck yeah 1632 01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:20,010 me kicking ass and taking names and anyone out of the building 1633 01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:22,380 until the 2.0 compliant and pod ping or wall 1634 01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:27,060 ping and ask not kicking ass pinging pinging pinging as in 1635 01:48:27,060 --> 01:48:32,190 writing into the blockchain. Cast peatland again 2937 He says 1636 01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:35,790 thanks for the work in Felton Thank you boost boost boost. 1637 01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:41,340 We'll see if 5050 says for Macintosh. Speak of the devil. 1638 01:48:41,670 --> 01:48:46,440 He says thanks guys Note to self put Kate SATs in wallet. What 1639 01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:47,310 does that mean Kate 1640 01:48:47,310 --> 01:48:52,680 to set k i t. I have no idea what he's talking about. 1641 01:48:52,830 --> 01:48:56,730 No idea. You know what that means? send another donation 1642 01:48:56,730 --> 01:49:03,390 next week. Satoshi stream 5552 says through fountain and he 1643 01:49:03,390 --> 01:49:07,650 says to podcast app developers the bolt for the V for V to V 1644 01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:11,280 metadata has not been changed since January. Now's a good time 1645 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,710 to implement boosts and streaming sets. It's not a 1646 01:49:13,710 --> 01:49:16,110 moving target. It's stable. Good 1647 01:49:16,110 --> 01:49:21,960 point. Excellent point Satoshi streams yeah right arm pirate 1648 01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:25,710 pioneers by the way pioneers in the industry pioneers of the TLV 1649 01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:26,160 record 1650 01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:30,870 they still kill me because essentially stream just came out 1651 01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:36,450 of nowhere like day one. Like oh, what I mean, that was just 1652 01:49:36,450 --> 01:49:37,020 amazing. 1653 01:49:37,530 --> 01:49:41,100 Isn't it isn't Dutch guys who run on that? Yeah, yeah. The 1654 01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:42,540 Dutch man. I tell you, 1655 01:49:42,810 --> 01:49:47,550 we keep calling Satoshi stream. God Dutch guys like it's a team. 1656 01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,660 It's probably just one dude. I mean, like, or it could be a 1657 01:49:51,660 --> 01:49:53,370 chick like one day that one. 1658 01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:57,240 First of all, shame on you Dave Jones for saying a chick 1659 01:49:57,900 --> 01:49:59,970 with this. As in dude. 1660 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,640 Yeah, you said one guy, guy. 1661 01:50:03,150 --> 01:50:06,390 Oh, I thought I said dude, shakes guys and gals so 1662 01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:10,260 well, we need to have the Satoshi stream team, the stream 1663 01:50:10,260 --> 01:50:13,290 team need to have him on the show. The stream team. This is 1664 01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:16,830 an outrage. We haven't had the stream team on the show. Yeah. 1665 01:50:16,830 --> 01:50:17,010 Why 1666 01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:18,000 have we done that? Okay, I 1667 01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,910 don't know. You're in charge of booking guests. I'm honest. is 1668 01:50:20,910 --> 01:50:23,010 biased. You hate Dutch people? I guess? 1669 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:29,040 I did. Well, I mean, just just a few. Only hate the only hate 1670 01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:38,670 only hate pureblood. It's your medulla. Okay. Dred Scott 25,333 1671 01:50:38,670 --> 01:50:42,480 sets. I should cast thematic is not a chick. I know this. 1672 01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,550 Through good authority. transcripts. Regarding 1673 01:50:47,550 --> 01:50:50,370 transcripts, I have a condition called auditory processing 1674 01:50:50,370 --> 01:50:54,630 disorder. APD. There are many times I need the transcripts to 1675 01:50:54,630 --> 01:50:58,260 help me process what I'm hearing. They're very helpful. I 1676 01:50:58,260 --> 01:51:02,490 always, I also always watch TV with captions on. Oh, okay. 1677 01:51:02,490 --> 01:51:05,640 That's interesting. Add chapter images to transcripts, and my 1678 01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,970 brain is fully engaged in the podcast. Thanks, everyone. 1679 01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:12,660 Thanks, everyone, for incorporating transcripts. 1680 01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:17,490 Auditory Processing Disorder is it's not new, but it has 1681 01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:21,480 increased significantly in the past five or 10. Five years, 1682 01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,900 we've done a lot of research on this for the no agenda show is I 1683 01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:31,080 noticed that many people of millennial age use captions are 1684 01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:36,030 all the time on any video. They're watching movies, TV 1685 01:51:36,030 --> 01:51:40,410 shows, even YouTube videos. And I started questioning this. And 1686 01:51:40,410 --> 01:51:45,180 one of the or the main issue is because of a number of reasons, 1687 01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:48,990 mainly distraction, people no longer comprehending as well as 1688 01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:54,300 it's kind of a brain. So I don't want to categorize anything drag 1689 01:51:54,300 --> 01:51:59,490 mine have is I have no, no business categorizing it, but it 1690 01:51:59,490 --> 01:52:03,240 is a real thing. And your brain is not processing as well as it 1691 01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:08,340 possibly could. And I have a hearing. I'm a victim of hearing 1692 01:52:08,340 --> 01:52:12,150 disability, I gotta say, right. And even though I have hearing 1693 01:52:12,150 --> 01:52:16,350 aids, I find that the mix typically done on many movies 1694 01:52:16,350 --> 01:52:20,070 today are done for 5.1 Dolby, or, you know, some kind of home 1695 01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:23,070 theater setup they in you know, so I'm missing the middle 1696 01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:27,630 channel. And even Tina who has perfect hearing, he's like, 1697 01:52:27,630 --> 01:52:30,510 let's just turn on the captions is just so it's just that much 1698 01:52:30,510 --> 01:52:34,980 easier. Okay, so that's, I think a lot of people benefit from 1699 01:52:34,980 --> 01:52:39,000 that. And the thing that I I still don't understand why I'm 1700 01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:44,010 the only one ever talking about it is so we're talking about um, 1701 01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:49,650 yeah, the you mentioned my son driving off in his motorcycle, 1702 01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:53,580 you know, a long time ago on the show. This is something that is 1703 01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:57,300 completely searchable in a transcript and you click on the 1704 01:52:57,300 --> 01:53:00,270 link the timecode and it starts playing right from that link. 1705 01:53:00,270 --> 01:53:03,930 This is a very valuable research accessory, 1706 01:53:04,350 --> 01:53:07,140 extremely valuable that would enable the Brookings Institute 1707 01:53:07,140 --> 01:53:08,670 to write articles much faster. 1708 01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:11,640 They could even automate it with some AI 1709 01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,620 would you say that you are not a victim of auditory auditory 1710 01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:20,490 problems you are a person experiencing sound lessness 1711 01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:21,180 Correct. 1712 01:53:22,290 --> 01:53:22,890 Thank you 1713 01:53:25,230 --> 01:53:29,490 see, lood gave us 10 sets and he says forgive me for the meager 1714 01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:32,880 set donation pot father and pots age. But I would like to offer 1715 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,150 my services in recording any of the white papers, facts or blog 1716 01:53:36,150 --> 01:53:40,050 posts in audio form as a time donation you can reach me at 1717 01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,680 email if you'd like to Grace me with this great honor go 1718 01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:44,520 podcasting 1719 01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:49,260 Wait a minute go podcast. Is he suggesting that the exact 1720 01:53:49,290 --> 01:53:52,200 opposite what we're just talking about? It will be creating audio 1721 01:53:52,230 --> 01:53:56,550 out of documentation and papers we've written 1722 01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,910 that I think he's he's suggesting exactly that. We're 1723 01:53:59,910 --> 01:54:03,600 all in on that man. Go for it. Yeah, I'm great. Here do this. 1724 01:54:03,930 --> 01:54:10,410 See lewd? Every time I post a blog post, which I plan to post 1725 01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:13,350 many more on a more frequent basis when my son's not trying 1726 01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:18,300 to kill himself. When when I do that, just record it and send it 1727 01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:21,300 to me and then I'll put it on the substack little podcast. 1728 01:54:21,690 --> 01:54:23,370 There you go. Yeah. 1729 01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,900 Thank you. Thanks for that offer. Let's see who we got. Oh, 1730 01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:33,300 Roy, from breeze 54,321 SATs. 1731 01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:36,000 Yeah, how you doing booster nice. 1732 01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:43,590 He says bitcoin is the real fucking money. But but he's not 1733 01:54:43,590 --> 01:54:49,110 done. Oh, okay. Has he in another 54,301 Holy 1734 01:54:49,110 --> 01:54:52,260 press. Oh, man. Don't just stand there. Boost. 1735 01:54:52,680 --> 01:55:01,710 And he says I love Adam. It was Two together is almost a buzzer 1736 01:55:01,710 --> 01:55:02,640 baller boost 1737 01:55:03,180 --> 01:55:04,950 that's your right all 1738 01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:09,510 right shot caller 20 is blades on I am Paula. That's such a 1739 01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:09,720 good 1740 01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,300 time hanging out with him for the short time it was at the 1741 01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:13,680 Bitcoin Conference. 1742 01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:17,760 When you get ready to come off to come off the pocket with 1743 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,850 108,000 SATs you do it you better be proud of yourself. 1744 01:55:22,980 --> 01:55:26,040 Well remember he says he loves me. That's right. And he knows 1745 01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:30,180 and he knows no love money back so he knows. Thank you. 1746 01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:38,910 Love go up 1611 SATs, another from see lewd. He says Wait, 1747 01:55:39,420 --> 01:55:41,940 let's see say greetings but father and pause stage my last 1748 01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:44,310 Mr. Graham shouldn't have gone through so I'll send this one. 1749 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,380 Wait. So is he rescinding his offer? 1750 01:55:47,670 --> 01:55:52,050 I don't know. There's no take backs and booster grams. 1751 01:55:52,140 --> 01:55:55,560 No take back seat. I'll be happy to record in audio form whatever 1752 01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:59,700 manifesto white paper or blog post you'd like promoted to the 1753 01:55:59,700 --> 01:56:03,900 podcasting standards. manifestos we don't have enough men if 1754 01:56:03,900 --> 01:56:06,060 I'm writing the man, if I'm reading the manifesto, I'm 1755 01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:07,920 writing the value for value manifesto. 1756 01:56:08,190 --> 01:56:10,950 Oh, that's right. Yeah, we don't. It's got to be called 1757 01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:11,190 that 1758 01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:14,220 value for value. Festo, of course, 1759 01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:16,320 by Adam Clarke. 1760 01:56:17,700 --> 01:56:19,920 Gotta have the three names in there to make sure they know 1761 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,420 that. It's time to get me. 1762 01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:23,940 Yeah, that way when you run off in the woods in North Carolina, 1763 01:56:23,940 --> 01:56:27,630 they can we can properly find you. Right. That's right. Nomad, 1764 01:56:27,630 --> 01:56:30,690 Joe 2000 says through fountain and he says boosted 1765 01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,780 boosted and D fat streams. Thank you. 1766 01:56:34,530 --> 01:56:38,670 Brian of London Sir Brian of London and the hive Dao through 1767 01:56:38,670 --> 01:56:42,090 the value for value app Rube Goldberg machine he says weekly 1768 01:56:42,090 --> 01:56:45,420 $10 V for V donation converted to SAS from Brian of London and 1769 01:56:45,420 --> 01:56:47,970 the hive DHF da o go podcast. 1770 01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:54,090 Podcast. Not Did I understand that Brian? Is is out of the 1771 01:56:54,090 --> 01:56:58,380 country on vacation for a week. What he's doing now he's sailing 1772 01:56:58,380 --> 01:57:01,740 a boat. Right? He isn't he sailing a boat back from 1773 01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,450 somewhere like, like a yacht boat? Like a like a proper boat? 1774 01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,140 Oh, I don't know. But I hope so. Because that's really cool. 1775 01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:13,500 I think he's done it before. But what was interesting is I saw 1776 01:57:13,500 --> 01:57:16,650 him making all these preparations. Because that's 1777 01:57:16,650 --> 01:57:21,210 right, his Rube Goldberg machine. I'm taking I'm taking 1778 01:57:21,900 --> 01:57:28,650 bets right now. I give this thing 48 hours. Right, Scott? I 1779 01:57:28,650 --> 01:57:32,790 know this because this is Adam. Brian is Brian is Adam with 1780 01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:38,100 coding skills. I know that this is 48 hours. The thing's gonna 1781 01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:42,540 shit the best. He's gonna have his parents rebooting his 1782 01:57:42,540 --> 01:57:43,140 laptop. 1783 01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:50,070 He's not even to the marina and it's cray cray. 1784 01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:50,850 Love you, Brian. 1785 01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:56,190 Yes, absolutely. Chris. This is Chris from Jupiter broadcasting. 1786 01:57:56,700 --> 01:58:02,310 Chris Fisher gave us 2000 SATs a fountain. He says Adam great job 1787 01:58:02,310 --> 01:58:05,070 spreading the podcast and 2.0 message on the what Bitcoin did 1788 01:58:05,070 --> 01:58:08,580 show one of your more concise and compelling summaries yet I 1789 01:58:08,580 --> 01:58:11,220 clipped it to help others spread the word and he has the link 1790 01:58:11,220 --> 01:58:13,170 here. He says PS Dave rocks. 1791 01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:20,160 Thanks. That was good. That's Peter Peter McCormick. What big 1792 01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:25,200 Bitcoin did I really enjoy Peter because we have very different 1793 01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,820 political views, very different views on on medical, health, 1794 01:58:29,820 --> 01:58:36,540 etc. But it for my money typical Bitcoin or fashion, we have a 1795 01:58:36,540 --> 01:58:43,770 common understanding a common common interest common in a way 1796 01:58:43,770 --> 01:58:46,140 common life view even though we come from very different 1797 01:58:46,530 --> 01:58:50,070 perspectives, and it's always so enjoyable to speak with him 1798 01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:51,450 whether we're recording or not. 1799 01:58:51,929 --> 01:58:54,359 I would almost call it a consensus. 1800 01:58:55,349 --> 01:58:59,489 I call just being human civil civility is what I call it, you 1801 01:58:59,489 --> 01:59:03,299 know, catching but I was looking at the tweets, comments in 1802 01:59:03,299 --> 01:59:06,419 between most of them. When he posted the show. Most of them 1803 01:59:06,419 --> 01:59:09,719 were positive. But then one of them was like, This guy says 1804 01:59:09,719 --> 01:59:14,519 crazy stuff. I can't believe Peter didn't push back 1805 01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:17,400 and like push back. But that's the point. 1806 01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,830 You don't have to argue with everybody. He said no, I don't 1807 01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:21,030 agree with that. Okay, done. 1808 01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:27,420 Did you point them to your new cattle in the enterprise? Like 1809 01:59:27,450 --> 01:59:28,890 my cattle enterprise? 1810 01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,400 Yeah, you remember that lady from Vice or whatever, not vice 1811 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,930 but the delay that read the article from Daily Beast said 1812 01:59:36,930 --> 01:59:40,470 that you were pimping your Cattle Company? 1813 01:59:40,500 --> 01:59:46,200 Oh, yeah. That's right. Someone posted it was a review of of 1814 01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:50,850 Bitcoin 22 days Adam curry pimping his new cattle, his new 1815 01:59:50,850 --> 01:59:52,920 cattle venture? No. 1816 01:59:53,340 --> 01:59:56,070 The one that said that everybody in the Bitcoin world are crazy 1817 01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:57,570 psychopaths that want to kill each other. 1818 01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,850 Yeah, that's the Yeah, that's the one that's the article. 1819 01:59:59,850 --> 02:00:00,330 Yeah. US, 1820 02:00:01,410 --> 02:00:07,050 Scott SC OTT gave us 20,420 SATs to be a breeze, thank you. And 1821 02:00:07,050 --> 02:00:09,840 he says, I missed a couple of weeks of boosting, I'm tried to 1822 02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,210 send through the fountain app twice now and it failed. 1823 02:00:13,710 --> 02:00:16,500 You know, when, when this happens, if you get a fail, it 1824 02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:18,960 will be really helpful if you post out if you're emailing it, 1825 02:00:19,230 --> 02:00:22,230 what app you use, and what exactly failed, maybe you can 1826 02:00:22,230 --> 02:00:26,610 make a screenshot if it was all payment, one payment, it would 1827 02:00:26,610 --> 02:00:28,620 be handy to have a little more info on that. 1828 02:00:29,010 --> 02:00:33,150 Would it be fair to say that a lot of times it's your node 1829 02:00:33,690 --> 02:00:36,120 that's failing because it tends to go up and down, 1830 02:00:36,270 --> 02:00:40,260 I would say there's a high correlation between fails. And 1831 02:00:40,290 --> 02:00:43,650 and mind, which is really just a monitor node. You know, it's, 1832 02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:51,030 it's a 1%. And it's a piece of crap. To this piece of crap. 1833 02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:56,910 It's it's a surface laptop that has Ubuntu on it, fresh, 1834 02:00:56,910 --> 02:01:03,000 complete native install with an external, one terabyte drive, 1835 02:01:03,300 --> 02:01:07,200 and I'm running Umbral on it. And interestingly enough torch 1836 02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:11,910 and yes, and interestingly enough, it I was able to 1837 02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:15,120 reproduce when it craps out. First of all, I have to be out 1838 02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:17,640 of town or out of the country. That's, that's the only way he 1839 02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:22,680 can reproduce it crashing out with no possibility of SSH in 1840 02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,000 because it's just locked up. 1841 02:01:24,330 --> 02:01:27,600 When troubleshooting very difficult when the 1842 02:01:27,660 --> 02:01:32,610 software update clicks, it would pop open the Software Update 1843 02:01:32,610 --> 02:01:36,510 dialog box. And that would always break it. So I just 1844 02:01:36,510 --> 02:01:39,930 disabled that thing from checking and alerting. And we'll 1845 02:01:39,930 --> 02:01:42,360 see how well it does. Yeah, it was I don't know why it did 1846 02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:46,410 that. But you know, it's also I know, I'm bad, but it's also 1847 02:01:46,410 --> 02:01:50,820 connected through Wi Fi not through Ethernet. So it's it's 1848 02:01:50,820 --> 02:01:55,140 really beneath me to have this gear running. In fact, I have no 1849 02:01:55,140 --> 02:01:56,790 business criticizing Brian. 1850 02:01:57,780 --> 02:02:01,050 The the computer only crashes 1851 02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:01,920 when you're out of 1852 02:02:02,849 --> 02:02:08,789 powers when the power is on. So just the delimiter comic strip 1853 02:02:08,789 --> 02:02:12,989 blogger Ooh, already three sets Yeah, cast ematic he says Howdy, 1854 02:02:12,989 --> 02:02:15,599 David. Adam, I wish you Happy Easter and your listeners are 1855 02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:19,619 warmly invited to hear voice of cherub as DC girl calls him. 1856 02:02:19,829 --> 02:02:23,129 Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent and a podcast about 1857 02:02:23,129 --> 02:02:27,299 artificial intelligence AI dot cooking. Stay safe with Jesus 1858 02:02:27,299 --> 02:02:29,069 yo. Okay. 1859 02:02:33,810 --> 02:02:39,660 Thanks CSB report man how? Commerce your blogger how's the 1860 02:02:39,660 --> 02:02:40,380 show doing? 1861 02:02:41,490 --> 02:02:42,210 Stats? 1862 02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:46,170 Is that thing value for value? I don't I don't even remember ever 1863 02:02:46,650 --> 02:02:47,910 checking that actually. 1864 02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:50,850 Oh, no, no, no, we need we need an update. 1865 02:02:50,910 --> 02:02:54,540 I would like to know how it's going with the show. I mean, is 1866 02:02:54,540 --> 02:02:59,280 this blatant promotion you do on every podcast that I know about? 1867 02:02:59,310 --> 02:03:04,320 Is it working? Yeah. Are we driving traffic to or are we 1868 02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,870 helping grow your show? Grow your show? 1869 02:03:09,090 --> 02:03:12,960 Monthly contributors? Get a lot of them because it's two weeks 1870 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:16,800 worth here. We got Keith Gibson $50 Thank you, Keith. Longtime. 1871 02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,940 Thank you. Yeah, longtime supporter, Dwayne Goldy, another 1872 02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:27,420 longtime supporter $8. Paul air skin $11.14 always this the fun 1873 02:03:27,420 --> 02:03:29,280 with that adds up to something at the end of the year that I 1874 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:35,760 don't remember. Michael Gagan $5 Charles current $5 savaria Vash 1875 02:03:35,820 --> 02:03:41,910 $5 David Wood would find $3 Timothy Hudgins my buddy $25 1876 02:03:42,210 --> 02:03:47,610 Jeremy Garrett's $5 Paul Saltzman $22.22 roadex 1877 02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:52,110 Paul Paul has been supporting this from day one. He has he's, 1878 02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,290 I've known I think I've known him for 30 years. 1879 02:03:55,800 --> 02:04:00,000 Really? Yeah, it's been that long. Yeah. Damon Castle, Jack 1880 02:04:00,330 --> 02:04:06,540 $15 Derek Vickery. This $21 David Norman $25 Thank you, 1881 02:04:06,540 --> 02:04:12,300 David. Jeremy, Kevin, all $10 Jeffrey Rutherford $5 Chris 1882 02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:20,250 Cowan $5 Alice gates, sir Alice gates $25 Carrie Keller, $5 CR 1883 02:04:20,250 --> 02:04:24,630 and Miller $5. And Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. 1884 02:04:24,660 --> 02:04:28,140 What a beautiful group. Thank you all very much for supporting 1885 02:04:28,170 --> 02:04:33,360 podcasting. 2.0 the entire project following the rules of 1886 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,570 the good Brookings Institution, we are very transparent about 1887 02:04:36,570 --> 02:04:39,780 what's coming from where, and we're proud of that. And we're 1888 02:04:39,780 --> 02:04:44,310 proud we're proud of it. And where it's going as well, I 1889 02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:46,950 mean, this is this goes straight into liquidity on by the way, I 1890 02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:51,600 did drop the fees on podcast index. Now cool. We no longer 1891 02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:58,320 have the, the 10 million Satoshi slashers. So, so the it's 1892 02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:03,390 succeeded. It's slow that download, I still have it quite 1893 02:05:03,390 --> 02:05:11,070 high compared to many out of the box. So we're at 0.01% with with 1894 02:05:11,070 --> 02:05:16,440 a zero base fee. And that seems to everything seems to be 1895 02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:20,070 reasonably balanced, although we also did have. And this is a 1896 02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:25,110 known lightning lnd bug, which has just been there ever since 1897 02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:28,680 I've been looking at it, you get spontaneous channel closures. 1898 02:05:29,010 --> 02:05:33,600 And when Alan pay closes, now, which happened everything break, 1899 02:05:33,630 --> 02:05:39,540 actually it was it was between I think it was we have a channel 1900 02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:47,640 with the fountain, sis, they have a private LM pay system. 1901 02:05:48,450 --> 02:05:52,230 And we have a channel with them that one closed. And so even 1902 02:05:52,230 --> 02:05:55,110 though there's other routes when something like that happens, the 1903 02:05:55,110 --> 02:05:58,980 whole network has to kind of reconfigure and routes have to 1904 02:05:58,980 --> 02:06:02,910 be recalculated, graphs have to be updated. So especially a big 1905 02:06:02,910 --> 02:06:06,000 channel like that, because we have I think 10 million SATs 1906 02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,530 with the with LM pay. 1907 02:06:08,460 --> 02:06:10,620 I can always tell when something like that happens, because all 1908 02:06:10,620 --> 02:06:13,230 sudden payments still go through a lot of times, but they get 1909 02:06:13,230 --> 02:06:13,980 real slow. 1910 02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:19,020 Yes, my house actually tilted. I always know when the big 1911 02:06:19,020 --> 02:06:28,110 channels closed. Whoa. Whoa, it was that. And again, you know, 1912 02:06:28,110 --> 02:06:30,870 I'm very excited about all the developments we're learning 1913 02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:35,220 voltage with the solution was a little undefined, although they 1914 02:06:35,220 --> 02:06:39,180 do have some good marketing out there on the on the website. And 1915 02:06:39,180 --> 02:06:44,070 of course, the the C lightning or the calling is a calling it 1916 02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:48,330 core lightning now or at core, or C or they call it CLN. Things 1917 02:06:48,330 --> 02:06:54,480 are calling CLN CLN. Yeah. With you know, with the basically 1918 02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,110 spin it up, you're good to go. And you own the keys. Now, of 1919 02:06:58,110 --> 02:07:01,380 course cloud stuff can go down can be destroyed, but you have 1920 02:07:01,380 --> 02:07:03,330 the keys. So that's the beauty. 1921 02:07:03,929 --> 02:07:12,179 Kevin rook on his show where he interviewed Lisa. Nick nylgut, 1922 02:07:12,269 --> 02:07:17,309 Nick Africa, don't pronounce her last name. Maybe she's one of 1923 02:07:17,309 --> 02:07:18,899 the core developers on the core. 1924 02:07:19,050 --> 02:07:22,710 Oh, yeah. I did hear that. Yes. Oh, yeah. You sent that to me. 1925 02:07:22,830 --> 02:07:27,570 Fantastic interview. It was really good. She, but the only 1926 02:07:27,570 --> 02:07:33,180 problem is, yeah, she's one of these who say a lot of etc. And 1927 02:07:33,180 --> 02:07:36,750 right. But I was able to listen through it. 1928 02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:41,700 Me too. I did. I forced my way through it. And it was really 1929 02:07:41,700 --> 02:07:46,590 she has very good information, a lot of a lot of sort of inside 1930 02:07:46,590 --> 02:07:49,140 insight into what's going on with the different lightning 1931 02:07:49,140 --> 02:07:51,570 implementations and why they do what they do. 1932 02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:54,060 Especially, she has some interesting things to say about 1933 02:07:54,060 --> 02:07:58,890 lightning labs. Yes, yes. Yeah. And I want to tell her because 1934 02:07:59,130 --> 02:08:03,090 that sounded harsh what I just said, but I've done this with my 1935 02:08:03,090 --> 02:08:07,290 podcast partners. Certain Jhansi Dvorak, we call each other on 1936 02:08:07,290 --> 02:08:10,920 the air for it, because it's very easy to slip into these 1937 02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:15,450 things. And you wind up saying real and it's stopwords you 1938 02:08:15,450 --> 02:08:21,450 know, stuff, the stuff you think about? It's contagious. So if 1939 02:08:21,450 --> 02:08:25,710 she would listen to her use of certain words, she would be more 1940 02:08:25,710 --> 02:08:28,860 conscious of it and would be better because she has great 1941 02:08:28,860 --> 02:08:32,070 information. It's just at a certain point, calm I think we 1942 02:08:32,070 --> 02:08:35,970 texted like, oh my god, I have to get past this part. Yeah, was 1943 02:08:35,970 --> 02:08:37,020 really good, though. 1944 02:08:37,530 --> 02:08:40,440 I do it too. And um, I hear myself as well. The reason why I 1945 02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:44,700 listened back to the show to our episodes is because I found out 1946 02:08:44,730 --> 02:08:50,250 last week that I did I used the phrase, all that jazz about 20 1947 02:08:50,250 --> 02:08:55,800 times over over shows. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, that one's gonna 1948 02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:56,760 stop. It's interesting. 1949 02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:01,890 I didn't catch it. So it didn't know honestly interesting. But 1950 02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:09,240 the divorce recognize stuff like ya know, in my opinion, I think 1951 02:09:10,140 --> 02:09:13,020 fact of the matter day at the end of the day, all of this 1952 02:09:13,020 --> 02:09:17,940 stuff Yeah. So we get better we get better as we go along. But 1953 02:09:17,940 --> 02:09:21,120 yeah, that's a Kevin Brooks show was pretty popular. 1954 02:09:21,660 --> 02:09:24,390 It's really good. And he's got good he's got good information 1955 02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:28,770 on there. I think he lets people talk. It's it's a top notch 1956 02:09:28,770 --> 02:09:29,490 show. Give it a listen. 1957 02:09:29,580 --> 02:09:34,050 That and Linux unplugged is kind of my new jam. I got sucked into 1958 02:09:34,050 --> 02:09:36,930 it because they're doing a lot of booster grams. And then I'm 1959 02:09:36,930 --> 02:09:41,070 listening to it. I got to ask those guys a question. I should 1960 02:09:41,070 --> 02:09:41,760 boost it to him. 1961 02:09:42,570 --> 02:09:45,510 Well, Chris listens to you should listen. You can ask it 1962 02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:45,930 right now. 1963 02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:51,120 Well, they're always testing out new Linux installs. That's a lot 1964 02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:54,990 of what they do or Linux upgrades and distros and I'm 1965 02:09:54,990 --> 02:09:59,580 wondering, does anyone have it? So I have I am running Linux 1966 02:09:59,580 --> 02:10:03,450 Mint. as my daily driver now if I wanted to migrate, I'd be in 1967 02:10:03,450 --> 02:10:07,770 trouble. I mean, I have stuff installed I should have some PHP 1968 02:10:07,770 --> 02:10:11,730 version. What are these guys do they have one laptop is really 1969 02:10:11,730 --> 02:10:14,100 their laptop and they use and they don't mess with it and they 1970 02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:17,730 have another Junker that they change all the time. Or is there 1971 02:10:17,730 --> 02:10:22,950 a simple way to move your environment over in the in the 1972 02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:27,090 in the Linux environment where you move a lot of stuff over or 1973 02:10:27,090 --> 02:10:29,010 just wind up reinstalling everything 1974 02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:32,820 a lot of it is included Allah Allah let them and change the 1975 02:10:32,820 --> 02:10:36,330 data files. Yeah, and then add files in your home directory. So 1976 02:10:36,330 --> 02:10:39,150 you can you can bring it over like Mutt and Stuff like that. 1977 02:10:39,150 --> 02:10:39,570 Oh, yeah. 1978 02:10:39,630 --> 02:10:44,220 That my bash profile mutt? Yeah, that that part always works. But 1979 02:10:44,220 --> 02:10:50,070 it's, it's always the the things that Nevermind, it's me. I'm a 1980 02:10:50,070 --> 02:10:57,330 hack. I'll put this in slash user slash s bin. I move this 1981 02:10:57,330 --> 02:11:01,380 over here that talks to this pa Yeah. Not to me as me. Okay. 1982 02:11:01,410 --> 02:11:07,530 Now this stuff. Sorry. All right. I got I'm up against a 1983 02:11:08,550 --> 02:11:09,330 deadline, gotta 1984 02:11:09,330 --> 02:11:12,690 medication deadline. Just wanted to well, maybe these for the 1985 02:11:12,690 --> 02:11:17,610 next show. maps.fm These guys are back on the radar. We need 1986 02:11:17,610 --> 02:11:22,170 to figure out how we Yeah, they sent an email. Okay, we need to 1987 02:11:22,170 --> 02:11:24,900 figure out how we incorporate them because I'm feeling like 1988 02:11:24,900 --> 02:11:28,710 we're missing a huge opportunity mapping not in geolocation, not 1989 02:11:28,710 --> 02:11:34,440 really my my forte, but I have it on the list. Talk about it 1990 02:11:34,440 --> 02:11:40,050 next next week. And then Oh, yeah. Focus right days coming 1991 02:11:40,050 --> 02:11:45,810 out with a podcast on one box. After Gosh, how many do we have 1992 02:11:45,810 --> 02:11:47,610 now? Three. I've tested three or four. 1993 02:11:48,540 --> 02:11:53,280 Yeah, we're still waiting for the for the the namesake. We're 1994 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:54,390 still waiting for your namesake. 1995 02:11:54,420 --> 02:11:57,840 Yes. Good luck with that. That's a long way off. Dave Jackson is 1996 02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:01,050 the guy who's he's Dave Jackson School of Paki sending this over 1997 02:12:01,050 --> 02:12:04,080 to me. He's like, Yeah, you go talk to Adam. You got a new box 1998 02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:07,800 coming out to the market and Guy contacts me. He's like, hey, you 1999 02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:10,470 know, are you interested in this? I send you one, you can 2000 02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:13,410 test it out. And I'm now you know, why don't you send me the 2001 02:12:13,410 --> 02:12:18,090 specs. So I can see I don't want to waste your time. And then 2002 02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:25,020 they send over an NDA. And it's like, oh, and I'm like, man. And 2003 02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:29,280 so and I was about to kind of say, Ahmed, I there's too much 2004 02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:32,070 in here without prejudice and all these terms. I'm not quite 2005 02:12:32,070 --> 02:12:34,560 sure I don't want to get it. I don't want you to be in trouble. 2006 02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:37,020 I don't want to be in trouble. And then he sends me the top 2007 02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:41,040 level specs and there it is. loopback devices. So I said, Oh 2008 02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,290 man, I appreciate it. Now you don't have to send me anything 2009 02:12:43,290 --> 02:12:47,100 because this is for gamers. This was not developed for podcasters 2010 02:12:48,210 --> 02:12:51,330 if you ever want some free advice, I'd be happy to talk to 2011 02:12:51,330 --> 02:12:51,780 anybody. 2012 02:12:52,350 --> 02:12:55,500 That's that's the new term that we learned from our mutual 2013 02:12:55,500 --> 02:12:59,220 friend. Don't send me the NDA send me the friend da friend. 2014 02:13:00,030 --> 02:13:04,830 Exactly. All right, I'm off to to New York but I'll be back for 2015 02:13:05,340 --> 02:13:09,930 for the next board meeting. And it travels brother thank you man 2016 02:13:09,930 --> 02:13:15,030 and give your son a big hug when we're all praying for him. We 2017 02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:18,060 know we know he's out of the woods but still you know it's a 2018 02:13:18,090 --> 02:13:21,060 it's a rehabilitation is going to suck ass. 2019 02:13:21,450 --> 02:13:23,610 No, it's going to be terrible but he can't get away from me 2020 02:13:23,610 --> 02:13:25,920 now I got full control over and that 2021 02:13:25,950 --> 02:13:29,040 and give him some flying lessons. Keep them off of all 2022 02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:33,120 two wheel. It's much safer, much safer to take flying lessons. 2023 02:13:33,420 --> 02:13:35,730 Alright brother Good to have you back man. So happy everything's 2024 02:13:35,730 --> 02:13:38,880 okay. And Imola. We'll be talking next week. Have a great 2025 02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:39,330 weekend. 2026 02:13:39,660 --> 02:13:40,770 Don't miss a safe travels. 2027 02:13:41,070 --> 02:13:45,030 Everybody there in podcast development land. Thank you very 2028 02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:47,070 much for attending the board meeting. We'll be back next week 2029 02:13:47,070 --> 02:13:49,920 right here podcasting 2.0. 2030 02:14:05,490 --> 02:14:10,050 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 2031 02:14:10,050 --> 02:14:12,630 index.org For more information