Episode 85: Loot The Room!

1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:07,020 podcasting 2.0 for May 13 2020 to Episode 85 Lose the room 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,290 and we are lips. 3 00:00:11,790 --> 00:00:15,480 It means the live item tag is in effect finally, more about that 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,300 in a moment. Hello everybody. Welcome to podcasting 2.0 The 5 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,720 official board meeting for podcasting 2.0 we discuss the 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,440 podcast namespace, the podcast standards, everything happening 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,210 at podcast index dot social. And we got a guest today I'm Adam 8 00:00:30,210 --> 00:00:32,400 curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,880 Alabama. He parses feeds faster than pod paying my friend on the 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,390 other end, ladies and gentlemen, say hello to Mr. Dave Jones. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,940 What up? You know, QA? Do you know that 12 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:48,570 QA QA? Yeah. Isn't my cousin like short for cousin? 13 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:52,770 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. What up? What up? Yeah, when you have 14 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,030 me have an 18 year old who's stuff in your house with a broke 15 00:00:57,030 --> 00:01:00,150 leg? You? You get a lot of unscheduled together time with 16 00:01:00,150 --> 00:01:03,210 dad. Yeah. And, you know, I'm learning all the lingo. 17 00:01:03,390 --> 00:01:08,640 Oh, okay. Now, I was gonna ask you about this. Do you Lord this 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,490 over him in a way kind of like, you know, once in a while just 19 00:01:11,490 --> 00:01:14,640 to remind him that he's that he's a shit kid. I mean, do you 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,980 just say hey, by the way, you know, look what I'm doing for 21 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:17,430 you. Yeah. 22 00:01:18,210 --> 00:01:21,840 I don't not not that angle. I take more the angle if you're at 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,340 my mercy. And 24 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:26,910 it's excellent. It's just little parenting insider stuff. It's, 25 00:01:26,970 --> 00:01:28,800 it's fun for parents to do. 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,320 It don't get cute. 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,830 Um, and so second attempt at using all of the live item tag 28 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:41,820 the lit infrastructure for our for our board meeting today. 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,250 Instead of shitshow this was a live show, because this is this 30 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:53,160 was a mess. Yeah, like 3030 minutes of pre show, fiddling 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,600 around with forces feed caches. And like there was it was fun 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:05,400 because like, in my mind, I'm envisioning Adam and Mitch. Like 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,290 with those big like we those big stone wheels from medieval times 34 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:13,530 with the with a big with a humongous set of scissors to 35 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:14,970 sharpen in the head sharpening. 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,100 sharpening stone that spins around 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,720 your head down sparks flying everywhere. You know, just 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,770 firing up some scissors. 39 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,280 Why don't we bring Mitch in right away, man because he we've 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,620 already been talking to him for half an hour trying to get all 41 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:37,410 this stuff. Right. So you should know him as the master behind 42 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,080 pod verse. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the board meeting. 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,070 Mitch Downey. 44 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:46,680 Hey, what's up, fellas? Fellas? High gave me a hard time for 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,090 guys last time. Yeah. 46 00:02:48,630 --> 00:02:51,810 I appreciate that. Yeah, QA. What? UPCA? 47 00:02:52,410 --> 00:02:55,980 Yeah, long time no talk, Mitch, except from just a few minutes 48 00:02:55,980 --> 00:02:59,700 ago, when then when the craziness went down? I mean, are 49 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:01,140 we live now? Do we wait now we're 50 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:06,180 definitely live. And actually, Mitch, you've been at you and 51 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:09,120 Steven B have been on the forefront of this of this lit 52 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,600 stuff, the live item tag. And and you have some other I mean, 53 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:16,170 I don't really understand even what what, what the pod verse 54 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:21,210 life paying and notification is doing. But we're certainly not 55 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:27,360 doing it right here. And part of that as part of that is because 56 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:33,990 I use sovereign feed. And and, you know, that outputs an RSS 57 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,580 file that I then put on the server. And that's a a custom 58 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:43,590 made content delivery network that was not really intended for 59 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:49,080 a lot of changes in files to be reflected immediately. So and 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,920 which is because of the massive traffic and data it has to 61 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,160 deliver several times a week. So you know, there's all kinds I 62 00:03:56,190 --> 00:03:59,670 presume, would you say? That's right, Dave? That's why he's why 63 00:03:59,670 --> 00:04:00,780 it's all complicated. Because 64 00:04:00,810 --> 00:04:08,760 yeah, yes. Like the end, the NA, the no agenda network. CDN is 65 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,400 tuned, over many years of trial and error to handle over a 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,080 million downloads of traffic within a few hours. Yeah, like 67 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:23,370 within you. It wants to be able to handle hundreds of 1000s of 68 00:04:23,370 --> 00:04:26,580 downloads, you know, within just a span of like an hour. Yeah. 69 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:31,290 And so the way the the caching is set up, and this, this is 70 00:04:31,290 --> 00:04:35,730 what I'm understanding, because I've talked to Mark York, yeah, 71 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,790 way back when he first started setting up like varnish and the 72 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:41,490 way the caching works. I was helping him out a little bit and 73 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:44,760 we were fiddling with some stuff and in trying to get all this to 74 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,140 work and I think he just tuned it very specifically to be 75 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,070 aggressively cached so that it can handle all that and that's 76 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:54,480 not really 77 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:58,860 helpful. I'm really how quick testing. Yeah, but the problem 78 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:02,850 is I have to have Have my RSS feed on the same infrastructure? 79 00:05:03,030 --> 00:05:07,140 Because when I didn't? Well, you saw the bandwidth bills. 80 00:05:08,250 --> 00:05:10,830 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, it's a nightmare. But you 81 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:16,830 know what, what we could do, though. Okay. What we could do 82 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:21,750 is and now I was thinking about this in light of sovereign feeds 83 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:25,680 with with the new web hook delivery, which is awesome, 84 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:25,860 which 85 00:05:25,859 --> 00:05:31,709 is already being implemented. Uh huh. So by the answer show, do 86 00:05:31,709 --> 00:05:33,449 it FTP. Yeah, you 87 00:05:33,450 --> 00:05:36,510 tell me that. Yeah. Do you know about this, Mitch? Did you see 88 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:41,640 that? No, I don't. Yeah. So sovereign faces. Steven has it 89 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:48,330 coded up where sovereign feeds when you publish a change, it 90 00:05:48,330 --> 00:05:52,920 will deliver the entire feed in a web hook of your to a web hook 91 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,730 URL of your choosing. So you can have it just rather than having 92 00:05:56,730 --> 00:05:59,970 to generate the feed, save it to a file, copy and paste it or 93 00:05:59,970 --> 00:06:04,380 upload it to a CDN, you just set up your CDN to receive the web 94 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:07,470 hook and they can just drop it where it needs to go. When you 95 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:08,370 hit publish, very 96 00:06:08,370 --> 00:06:09,870 sexy. Yeah, that'd be great. We 97 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,300 need automated tools. Yeah, 98 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:15,569 yeah, that was that would solve a lot of stuff right here. And 99 00:06:15,569 --> 00:06:18,179 you know, the cache busting things is my own personal issue. 100 00:06:18,179 --> 00:06:20,849 But go ahead and 101 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:25,260 this the issue is definitely cash I would say based on the 102 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:30,000 looks of it, the this is a good test, because it shows that this 103 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,370 is a challenge we need to solve that. Typically, an RSS feed you 104 00:06:35,490 --> 00:06:40,140 don't need instantaneous updates from King is usually a good 105 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:43,440 thing, right? But for live notifications that are embedded 106 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,330 within the RSS and using pod ping, we need it to refresh and 107 00:06:48,330 --> 00:06:52,230 also force all the clients that are going to pull from it to get 108 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:56,550 that that latest version. So we did have successful tests with 109 00:06:56,940 --> 00:07:01,500 behind the schemes and ball after ball earlier this week. Oh 110 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:01,650 yeah, 111 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:06,270 no, I different sir Spencer's in the chat gone. I know this 112 00:07:06,270 --> 00:07:08,970 works. It all works. You guys just don't know what you're 113 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:10,440 doing. Okay, Boomer. 114 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:14,760 See what the higher Spencer consultant is? Yes, 115 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,470 we do it. Here's the login you do it? Yeah, that's actually not 116 00:07:19,470 --> 00:07:23,100 a bad idea. You know, sometimes I'm so tired after after longer 117 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:27,240 shows I make dumb mistakes. And when you make a dumb mistake on 118 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,720 the on the RSS feed, it's painful. 119 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,940 This is something that I need to talk to Alex about. Because we 120 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:40,200 know the caching thing has come up before we've discussed it. 121 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:44,130 And I'm thinking that we may want to change the spec, the 122 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:52,530 live or the status change spec within pod paying to maybe put 123 00:07:52,530 --> 00:07:56,730 in put in a URL parameter or something at the end of the 124 00:07:58,050 --> 00:07:58,920 cache buster. 125 00:08:00,270 --> 00:08:04,290 Well, I check your phone if you have notifications enabled. 126 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:06,600 And do 127 00:08:06,630 --> 00:08:11,100 so tell us about this part. Mitch, so pod verse now has 128 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:15,270 actual notifications popping up. When when your favorite podcast 129 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:17,280 goes live? Yeah, we 130 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,820 added notifications both for new episodes, which is a very 131 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:25,710 commonly requested feature and now with live feeds, you know, 132 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:30,390 live streams going live. And I did just receive a notification 133 00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:32,880 on my phone. This is live podcasting. 2.0 134 00:08:32,910 --> 00:08:35,700 Yes, I'm seeing that in the chat room now too. Cool. 135 00:08:36,180 --> 00:08:39,210 Awesome. Why am I not getting it? I wonder if it's this phased 136 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,380 rollout or something? 137 00:08:40,470 --> 00:08:44,280 Right. And so I know curio caster is working. But not for 138 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,600 me yet. So that's, you know, that can just be brave caching. 139 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:55,920 You know, caching is good and bad. Yeah. We'll figure this is 140 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,020 really good and bad. Yes. 141 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,910 If people go to pi. 142 00:09:01,290 --> 00:09:05,340 I got it. Even says on air. Oh, cool. 143 00:09:05,460 --> 00:09:06,210 Hell yeah. 144 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:12,570 Nice. I still don't have it yet. I wonder if you know if sorry. 145 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:16,890 No, that's, that's on the computer. 146 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:22,680 Oh, sweet. So, Mitch, does the does the bad thing. I'm running 147 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,150 the beta and testflight? Does it have separate notification 148 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:28,740 settings? Do you know on iOS? 149 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,490 I hope everyone's following along and going, you know, dude, 150 00:09:32,490 --> 00:09:35,280 what are these dudes do and talk about stuff? You're just playing 151 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,830 on your phone? Yeah, this is crazy. Okay. So that works. 152 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:45,060 That's very cool. Mitch. Fantastic. Steven V. Fantastic. 153 00:09:45,090 --> 00:09:49,320 I love this. And I'm gonna throw out another challenge. Speaking 154 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,160 of Alex gates for the board meeting in the board meeting 155 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:59,430 only. I just bought this fantastic camera for because I 156 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:03,000 do so many The podcast interviews my my lovely wife 157 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,810 finally said to invest in something gets this you look 158 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:11,430 like crap. And good for her. Yes. And so I got this. What is 159 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:16,230 it? Bob's bought? So it tracks and you know, so if you move to 160 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:18,870 the left or the right, it's suddenly kind of moves with your 161 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:22,350 head motion can follow you around the room but it's very 162 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:25,830 small works really well I'm extremely happy with it for K 163 00:10:25,830 --> 00:10:31,320 fantastic. I want to stream at least my end video during the 164 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,020 board meeting more over the shoulder so you can see what I'm 165 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:40,320 doing then me because that would just be annoying to me. 166 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:42,780 You're gonna you're gonna 167 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:49,920 I want to I want to broadcast video. Through no agenda tube. 168 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:51,690 Oh, 169 00:10:51,780 --> 00:10:53,520 I want that to go live. 170 00:10:54,780 --> 00:10:55,740 Your brains? Man. 171 00:10:56,010 --> 00:10:59,100 I have to do it because I gotta get stuff set up for Mo. 172 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:03,930 True is chomping at the bit, man? You gotta dive in at some 173 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:04,320 point. 174 00:11:04,950 --> 00:11:11,160 See, Mike? Yeah, that's why we'll be focused on on the more 175 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,100 what I'm doing than me because the Tourette's? Yeah, the AI 176 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:20,220 just goes crazy. He doesn't know how to follow me. Now if they 177 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:23,460 could make a camera that would automatically smooth the motion, 178 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:26,370 so it didn't look like I had Tourette's the reverse. That 179 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:27,360 would be very cool. 180 00:11:27,719 --> 00:11:30,299 That is that would be that would be a highly valuable camera. 181 00:11:31,740 --> 00:11:36,120 Well, we're ready to add video live streams. Also, the only 182 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:39,540 blocker for that is that we don't have a stream to test 183 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:39,840 with. 184 00:11:40,380 --> 00:11:43,620 Right. So that's, that's why I throw it out to Alex Gates, who 185 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:45,930 will tell me what I need to do what I need to get. And we'll 186 00:11:45,930 --> 00:11:48,090 figure this out. We should be testing this, we should be 187 00:11:48,090 --> 00:11:51,540 moving this forward. And this is the place to do it. And I'll 188 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:54,690 have a big shiny pair of scissors here on the desktop. 189 00:11:55,140 --> 00:11:59,190 So, Mitch, do you? Do you want to walk and for the benefit of 190 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:01,920 everybody who's listening to this and has absolutely no idea 191 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,080 what we're talking about? Do you want to walk through the steps 192 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,230 that happened to happen on the backside now that now that you I 193 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:14,310 would like to hear use, like, give the linkage from step to 194 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:18,210 step of what happens when somebody goes live until the 195 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:20,250 point where it gets a notification on listeners 196 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:23,220 phones, because you just what you just went through all this 197 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:25,620 getting set up with sending pod pings and all that stuff. You 198 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:26,700 want to take a crack at that. 199 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:32,010 Sure thing. So if a podcaster wants to share their live stream 200 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:35,340 with every app, which is the beauty of podcasting, you put it 201 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:40,380 in an RSS feed and becomes available everywhere. They need 202 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:44,280 to add a new tag podcasting 2.0 tag called Live item to their 203 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,140 feed. And then our servers parse out that information like 204 00:12:49,140 --> 00:12:54,600 normal. And when we find this feed says a live stream is going 205 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:01,950 live. What Oh, I missed this step, pod Ping has to notify us 206 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:06,660 that the live stream went live. So pod paying sends a signal to 207 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:11,190 us that tells us to parse the feed. And then we shoot off 208 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:14,790 notifications to every podcast app that is subscribed to that 209 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:15,360 live stream. 210 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,870 Cool. Yeah. So that so Hey, on the on the piping side, you got 211 00:13:21,870 --> 00:13:25,440 set up, I'm guessing, I don't know if there's, I think Alex 212 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,430 that you are not Brian, those, they set you up with some hive 213 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:32,820 posting keys. So you're not you're not sending notifications 214 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,660 through pod bean dot cloud, because we are still on version, 215 00:13:37,230 --> 00:13:42,510 point 0.3 of pod paying format. And the pod popping format. One 216 00:13:42,510 --> 00:13:46,260 dot O is needed for the live notifications. So you got you've 217 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:52,620 got the new hive watcher, excuse me hive writer, script, and your 218 00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:55,560 own set of Hive posting key. So you're writing directly to hive, 219 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:55,830 right? 220 00:13:56,070 --> 00:14:00,060 Yeah, correct. Alex has been a huge help getting set up with 221 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:06,510 this. So we have our own pod ping writer running within our 222 00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:10,740 server. And so podcasters currently go to our site and 223 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:16,320 click Start live stream. And that tells all podcasts apps 224 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,230 that this podcast is going live. 225 00:14:20,190 --> 00:14:22,710 So what does that look like on the dashboard side? Like when 226 00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:23,670 you go to 227 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:28,410 Excuse me? Can I just ask a question? So what exactly so I 228 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:32,130 issue a pod ping but I understand that my pod ping is 229 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,110 yesterday's news. And so right now as it as a as a bridge, 230 00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:41,040 you've created a modern New version with the live pod ping 231 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,970 that alerts that goes to pod ping and alerts all apps or just 232 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,900 pod verse. 233 00:14:46,469 --> 00:14:50,879 Well, the apps who listen to pod ping get these notifications 234 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,749 okay, they just have to opt in to be listening to pod ping. And 235 00:14:54,749 --> 00:14:57,629 I guess my free app and RSS so should be doing these days. 236 00:14:57,690 --> 00:15:01,650 Right so my so my question is right Now I can, you're 237 00:15:01,650 --> 00:15:03,870 graciously making this available. But this should be 238 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:07,260 something that's available in sovereign feed should have the 239 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:10,470 live pod ping, other than the pod ping I have now that 240 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:10,980 Correct? 241 00:15:11,070 --> 00:15:15,300 Correct. Okay. So sovereign feeds or any company that hosts 242 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:18,810 RSS feeds for podcasters should just make this a simple input 243 00:15:18,930 --> 00:15:24,990 and a drop down, like, here's my live show description. My Status 244 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:29,700 is going live now. Hit Save, and then they should handle all this 245 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,550 stuff on the back end, the user shouldn't even be aware of it. 246 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:37,620 I have a question about your, in general, just the thinking about 247 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:40,230 this stuff. And since you're an app developer, but I'd love to 248 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:50,880 ask every app developer we're in essence recreating YouTube. And 249 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,310 I say that because in general, podcasts that go live, the 250 00:15:56,310 --> 00:16:01,110 majority are live to YouTube, or actually multiple sources, you 251 00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:05,010 know, Rumble other backups, whatever they call them. And 252 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,480 after that's done, and in our case, it's a little bit 253 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,360 different. But with YouTube, then it's, you know, after a 254 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,650 while, it appears as, as the uploaded, you know, the, you can 255 00:16:16,650 --> 00:16:20,100 replay it, you can watch it as just a YouTube episode. But it 256 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:24,060 has chat, and it has super chat, which is booster grams that 257 00:16:24,060 --> 00:16:29,550 we're using. Haven't seen many boosts by the way Hello. To me, 258 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:34,440 I should open up helipad, make sure I can hear him. So having 259 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,570 that in mind, and I don't know if you agree with what I'm 260 00:16:36,570 --> 00:16:39,000 saying there. But that's kind of how it feels to me that this 261 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,350 will be used more for video, in fact, I think is a YouTube 262 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:46,710 killer with an open source YouTube killer with stuff that 263 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:53,280 we're doing. Have you considered a UX or UI change for a live 264 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,600 item? Versus the kind of traditional This is an episode? 265 00:16:58,830 --> 00:17:04,770 View? Well, right now we fit it in with the current experience 266 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:08,160 of episode, but we make sure live goes to the top of the page 267 00:17:08,190 --> 00:17:13,440 and is prominently there. That allows us to kind of seamlessly 268 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,220 fitted in to what we have currently up. But I mean, 269 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:21,660 hypothetically, we could start live dot pod verse.fm. And it 270 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:25,950 could be exclusively live streams. We could just, you 271 00:17:25,950 --> 00:17:30,360 know, select only that data for shows that are live streams into 272 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,610 some. Yeah, that I mean, 273 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:36,030 well, that that so that immediately brings in, you kind 274 00:17:36,030 --> 00:17:39,810 of walked into my trap. I wasn't even expecting that. That that 275 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,560 that brings up another thing. I don't know if if you followed lb 276 00:17:44,970 --> 00:17:49,950 Oh, yeah, I just talked to Bumi. And yeah, the German Gomorrah, 277 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:51,030 it's Wednesday, 278 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:54,930 right? To lovely German guys. I don't know, um, but the German 279 00:17:54,930 --> 00:18:00,600 guys, they're lovely. They are so close to basically having, 280 00:18:00,990 --> 00:18:05,850 you know, a wallet for everybody to easily use with, you know, a 281 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:10,500 web based version of any podcast app, once they can, once they 282 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:15,030 identify, you know, so right now the identify the, what do you 283 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:18,780 call it? The, the address, the lightning address, and so they 284 00:18:18,780 --> 00:18:22,500 understand, you know, they give you a lightning address. But 285 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,260 they if they see it on a page with a little lightning bolt, 286 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:30,090 then the extent the extension that is Alby recognizes that and 287 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:32,490 so you can you could do the payment information pops up 288 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:38,070 immediately. I presume that if we gave them away to within with 289 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:44,070 whatever, you know, HTML or code that you put into your page, an 290 00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:48,960 identifier so they could pull up the value block from the from 291 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:55,050 the index piece API, then they could in essence become an you 292 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:58,650 know, we could onboard a lot of people who already have an lb. 293 00:18:59,070 --> 00:19:02,970 Wallet, right into podcasting. 2.0. Does that make sense? 294 00:19:03,390 --> 00:19:07,320 Yeah, that's my understanding. So if we integrate with lb, 295 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,610 which would just be as simple on our end as putting some text 296 00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:14,970 information in the file. So right, just we don't have to 297 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:18,660 code anything complicated. You literally just take some V four 298 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:23,100 v tag information, right embedded in your page. And then 299 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:28,350 their browser extension can grab that information. And when you 300 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:31,590 pop open the browser extension, it'll just say, Hey, do you want 301 00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:32,970 to send to this podcast? 302 00:19:32,999 --> 00:19:36,479 So this is exciting to me? Because you remember, although 303 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,839 I'm still digging into the numbers, you might remember 40% 304 00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:45,899 of women listen to podcast just on the website. Yeah. What an 305 00:19:45,899 --> 00:19:50,339 opportunity. And I'll just say it again. It is my belief that 306 00:19:50,339 --> 00:19:54,989 podcast apps have an incredible opportunity to deliver 307 00:19:54,989 --> 00:19:59,009 beautifully designed home pages. And I would I would give you a 308 00:19:59,009 --> 00:20:05,129 split in my valuable Lock for that. Because all the other 309 00:20:05,219 --> 00:20:11,519 pages that generate a homepage and an episode page for RSS 310 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:16,799 feeds, they're all 1.0. It's like in the buttons for for 311 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:20,489 iTunes and all that shit stuff I don't want, you know, I want it 312 00:20:20,489 --> 00:20:23,639 to be modern, I want it to, you know, all of that should go away 313 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:28,049 or be done in a different way. And I would pay for that I would 314 00:20:28,049 --> 00:20:31,349 I put a split in for it for those services. And if that 315 00:20:31,349 --> 00:20:35,129 could then automatically detect an lb wallet, big win. 316 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,330 Yeah, well, I need to know more about the design requirements 317 00:20:42,330 --> 00:20:48,570 for that. But this LD solution will be easy for anybody to add 318 00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:51,030 to any page. So you know, this wouldn't just be limited to 319 00:20:51,030 --> 00:20:55,350 that, that like, I don't know, like feature page that you're 320 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:58,950 describing. I mean, this could go on anybody who wants to 321 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:02,460 enable podcasts and 2.0 value tags. 322 00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:07,170 I love that. I really do. I think that's it for some reason, 323 00:21:07,170 --> 00:21:10,080 because they do key sem just got I got really excited by it. And 324 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,230 I was like, Okay, this would be an excellent way to just expose 325 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:16,020 more people to what we're doing. So I want to welcome the lb lb 326 00:21:16,020 --> 00:21:18,060 guys to, you know, to the group. 327 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:24,360 They really are here. 328 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:28,650 Yes. No, no, we love them. Exactly. 329 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,180 So you said I'll be does lightning but yeah, just key 330 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:38,460 send mean keys. And I'm sorry, but yeah. Send not receive send. 331 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:42,810 Oh, send? Okay, so yeah, so we're, because that was what I 332 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,840 was about to say we. So I went down the rabbit hole of working 333 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,970 with Roy. 334 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:53,970 Good because I started with Roy about this. And then and he was 335 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,430 explaining to me and said, well, it can be done. And I was like, 336 00:21:56,550 --> 00:21:59,220 Man, you should talk to Dave. So you guys connected on this. 337 00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:03,120 Yeah, it's funny because I didn't even know that you were 338 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,330 talking to him. And I was doing this in sort of independently. 339 00:22:06,959 --> 00:22:10,409 We take baby we've been married for so long, you know that we 340 00:22:10,409 --> 00:22:11,309 think the same 341 00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:15,329 thing. Now we're gonna you know, those old old couples have been 342 00:22:15,329 --> 00:22:17,939 married for like 40 years, it started to look a lot. Oh, yeah, 343 00:22:17,969 --> 00:22:23,279 is that I'm gonna start getting killer hair really quick. Okay. 344 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,289 But the US like I was talking to you, you know, I mentioned it to 345 00:22:28,289 --> 00:22:33,029 you and then started and then I went and posted an issue about 346 00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:38,999 this because the lightning address stuff is great. Like 347 00:22:38,999 --> 00:22:42,359 Ellen URL, the lightning address part of Ellen URL or with 348 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,179 layered on top of it is great. But it doesn't let you in the 349 00:22:48,179 --> 00:22:51,599 background what it does when you go to when you take a well, 350 00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:53,999 let's see. Let us go to lightning address real quick. 351 00:22:54,989 --> 00:22:58,379 Lightning address is basically in it looks like an email 352 00:22:58,379 --> 00:23:03,899 address. So you'd have like Dave at podcaster wallet.com. And 353 00:23:03,899 --> 00:23:07,049 then what you do is you take in we talked about this with Oscar 354 00:23:07,049 --> 00:23:10,619 last week, you take that thing that looks like an email address 355 00:23:10,619 --> 00:23:14,249 and flip it around and then go to pod that becomes a URL. 356 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:19,769 Right? Right, right. HTTP as you know, slash last podcaster 357 00:23:19,769 --> 00:23:26,879 wallet.com/dot Well dash known slash. And then it's like an ln 358 00:23:26,879 --> 00:23:28,079 URL P 359 00:23:28,170 --> 00:23:33,540 B. That's that's the tricky part. Are ln URL P for ln URL? 360 00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:38,130 Pe? Yeah, that's the part that would need to get Kishen. And so 361 00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:41,100 it's not quite as simple hooking up to your own node. 362 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,530 Yeah, because when you go through that same what's 363 00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:47,160 happening on the back end is the URL in your is l and URL is 364 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:53,430 generating an invoice. Yep. And giving it back on that URL. So 365 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:59,010 what what's needed is a way for there to be is it for, for those 366 00:23:59,010 --> 00:24:03,900 well known URLs to be resolved, and then give you back a static, 367 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,890 very much like a value block. Just give you back a set of 368 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:13,530 static payment. information. So we're working through that on 369 00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:19,560 the telegram group, Roy and the guys in there, I'm not I've just 370 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,290 met these guys, I'm not super familiar with what all roles 371 00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:26,400 they play. But they what, what it is looking like is there's 372 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,910 going to be instead of instead of just my original proposal, 373 00:24:32,910 --> 00:24:36,090 which was taking in adding the static payment information as an 374 00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:41,460 alt as part of the object return for the URL and URL p. Now, 375 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:44,370 what's going to happen is there'll be an alternative dot 376 00:24:44,370 --> 00:24:49,860 well known URL scheme. So you'll have a that day that podcaster 377 00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:55,590 wallet.com will become podcaster wallet.com/dot. Well known slash 378 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,960 key send slash DAVE Yes, exactly. That's what you want, 379 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,670 that will hand back the static, just a note, a name, a node 380 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:08,760 address, and potentially custom key custom value so that you can 381 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,170 do routing to a custodial wallet. That once we get that 382 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,800 nailed down in, in, in, in place, yeah, this gets a lot. 383 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:23,370 Now listen to this next bit how this shit all fits together. 384 00:25:23,850 --> 00:25:30,720 Alright, so I get the update notification from Umbral. Right? 385 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720 And I'm always excited about that. Like, let's see what they 386 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,190 did, first of all want to see if they've updated the helipad, 387 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:45,750 which appears to have and then there's always new apps. Well 388 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:52,740 tie perfect. And what shows up IPFS podcasting decentralized 389 00:25:52,740 --> 00:26:00,330 podcast distribution over IPFS. And yeah, so we're so close to 390 00:26:00,330 --> 00:26:03,270 putting all these pieces together. So it appears the way 391 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:10,740 they do it is you create a separate feed initially, to load 392 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:14,130 everything into the IPFS network. And then you you can 393 00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:23,130 use a a gateway for your regular RSS feed. It sounds a little 394 00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:27,030 convoluted, but the way I what I looked at their FAQ and there's 395 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,060 there's no contact information. I wish there was a guy wanted to 396 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:34,170 get in touch with him. We'll find him. I think this is the 397 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:39,930 alternate enclosure use case. Yeah. I mean, this makes so much 398 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:43,200 sense. And it's right in the umbrella. Now you get into 399 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,810 something pretty interesting. You're starting to put a nice 400 00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:46,950 little box together. 401 00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:56,040 Yeah. Now, what I see is a humongous, like, truck size 402 00:26:56,070 --> 00:27:03,870 basket of scissors is what this this is, this is more scissors 403 00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:10,230 than you would find at a Hobby Lobby. I mean, we can't even get 404 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:15,450 lost off the ground. Trying to troubleshoot caching on IPFS 405 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:20,700 I've been down the IPFS road. It hurts. Well, bad. 406 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,340 I think I'm gonna sharpen up a pair. And I'm gonna I'm gonna 407 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:26,790 take a walk down that road just to see how it feels. I can't 408 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:27,630 help myself. 409 00:27:28,410 --> 00:27:33,660 Mitch, do you? Do you know or want or love or hate IPFS? 410 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:37,710 I don't know much about it other than conceptually that it's 411 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:42,720 like, it's unsensible distributed content. 412 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:51,750 It's, it's like a DHT for files. A humongous glugging global DHT 413 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:55,110 for files. And then you can see you can I couldn't tell you what 414 00:27:55,140 --> 00:28:00,300 DHT means? Like, yeah, yeah, I approach things from more of a 415 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:04,500 user experience. And then I like cobbled together some code. 416 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:09,330 This is good. So let me tell you the user experience. I haven't 417 00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:16,110 Umbral and I'm actually thinking heli pad does this heli pad pops 418 00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:19,410 up a different homescreen maybe the first time it says you can 419 00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:23,310 podcast all right from this box and has a link to sovereign 420 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:28,530 feed. And then you record your shit. And then you go to your 421 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,450 browser with sovereign feeds and then somehow it automatically 422 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,020 uploads the mp3 file just recorded from the computer 423 00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:44,280 you're on it puts it on your own bro puts it on IPFS does a live 424 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,850 pod pay whatever does all these different things gets you all 425 00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:52,980 set up on the value block. Your feed is immediately entirely 2.0 426 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:57,000 enabled. Then there you have it podcasting in a box with money 427 00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:02,220 washes your hair put some put Julie on your feet. Yeah, 428 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:05,520 I'm just telling you this is an avenue and it's it's no 429 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,360 different from Castor pod, just different version different you 430 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,720 know, different pieces actually. All of this might fit in 431 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,780 perfectly I don't know. I just I and I agree with you about the 432 00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:20,370 IPFS stuff. We've had nothing but heartache. But this is 433 00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:24,600 working for somebody somehow and it feels like is it for the ICL 434 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:28,470 for for I get the newsletter, I'm always reading it. And for 435 00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:32,550 the IPFS diehards. I think it works just as well as lightning 436 00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:33,570 does for us. 437 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:37,680 Yeah, that's a good that's actually a really good analogy. 438 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,070 That's actually a pretty good analogy because like yeah, if 439 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:44,280 you get off your fence newsletter, the world's great 440 00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:49,440 yeah. Holman. I mean, people you know, people are landing on the 441 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,980 moon It's 442 00:29:50,010 --> 00:29:52,650 also well, it's not that different. If you look at the 443 00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:54,900 lightning labs, PR releases, you know, 444 00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:58,110 you just ignore the all the failed payments and just keep 445 00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:58,950 moving on. Yeah, 446 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,040 we're gonna work I have a beautiful world, we're going to 447 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,050 be transporting stablecoin Oh, that'd be backed by Luna by any 448 00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,870 chance because that's worth nothing now. 449 00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:16,350 Can you please explain to me what? What happened? I know you 450 00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:19,530 understand it more than I do. Because what means there's some 451 00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:23,700 stable coin that went from like a buck apiece down to zero. What 452 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:24,600 happened this week? 453 00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:30,420 Okay. Roy and I even talked about this and Roy's like, I 454 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:31,950 don't know. Okay, thanks, Roy 455 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,200 makes me feel better, because I don't know he's 456 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:39,840 so stable coins. The idea is they're pegged to a fiat 457 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,830 currency, which means, instead of selling your as an example, 458 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,940 if you wanted to buy, you've got Bitcoin, you want to buy some 459 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:51,420 ether. Now you can do a direct trade, but maybe you just want 460 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:54,150 to keep it in dollars for a bit because the market, if you're a 461 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:56,280 trader, this is all about trading stuff, if the markets 462 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,620 volatile, or there are other scenarios for stable coins, then 463 00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,520 you can exchange it for a stable coin, which will be just like $1 464 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,170 Only, there's no, there's no possibly no capital gains, hey, 465 00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:12,900 there's all kinds of reasons to kind of keep it in this digital 466 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,160 realm. And the ideas, the stable coin is about $1, it might be 467 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,750 99.9999 for a minute, and some actually will go 1.01. And this 468 00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:28,830 is done in many ways. But the most important thing is it has 469 00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:33,600 to be backed by something in case people want to cash out the 470 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,090 stable coin into dollars. So typically, that's done by huge 471 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:43,920 hedge fund type deals, they've got billions of dollars. And, 472 00:31:43,950 --> 00:31:46,710 you know, they may in which they may have some, this is the this 473 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,910 was the problem with the tether, you know, some may be backed by 474 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:56,190 some securities and not just pure cash. And then there's ways 475 00:31:56,190 --> 00:32:01,920 that they can manage the supply of the stable coin, to keep that 476 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,390 peg in place. So they're doing it by expanding or contracting 477 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,790 the supply as far as I understand. 478 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,740 And who is de is that the, 479 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:19,380 the company that owns the stable coin. So in, in us t Tara USD 480 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:25,110 the stable coin, it was backed by Luna, which was a, you know, 481 00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:34,530 another altcoin I won't use the S word. And something happened, 482 00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:40,470 because the Luna as far as I understand, there was backing of 483 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:45,270 the Luna by Bitcoin. So when Bitcoin started to go down, they 484 00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:48,510 couldn't really liquidate fast enough or enough to have enough 485 00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:54,210 cash to prop up the the Luna coin. And on top of that, the 486 00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:58,560 Terra the the way they manage their supply. So basically 487 00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,800 minting new tokens or burning them, destroying them was 488 00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:06,510 algorithmically done. So they had an algo that was supposed to 489 00:33:06,510 --> 00:33:10,170 keep this going and something happened. And we'll find out 490 00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:15,390 eventually, in general, though, this has far reaching 491 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:20,520 consequences. It's not really a laughing matter. And stable coin 492 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,270 by itself, in my opinion, needs to be regulated or outlawed 493 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:28,110 because it's really inflationary to the US dollar. I mean, it's 494 00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:31,050 okay with me from a Bitcoin perspective. Go ahead, you know, 495 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:34,080 create more eventually, we'll see what happens in the end. I 496 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,870 have my beliefs, but I don't think that's really a good thing 497 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:41,010 for the US dollar. So that explained anything. Did that 498 00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:42,060 explain anything? 499 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:46,260 Yeah, no, that explained it perfectly. Janet Yellen. Agree. 500 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,590 And I, 501 00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:50,100 and I couldn't be yes, it was a board needed attack to, 502 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,490 like, also possible. Yeah, that's also possible. Somebody 503 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:53,730 may 504 00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:57,330 have accumulated all of this and then deliberately dumped it on 505 00:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,350 the market. And that, then the Peg, Yeah, value with other 506 00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:04,170 assets could hold anymore. And that just became cascading 507 00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:08,280 failure, down to, I think, point 0003 cents right now. 508 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:11,790 Yeah. And we're gonna see more of these horrible things happen 509 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:17,460 as across the board. I mean, I'm a believer, I hear the World 510 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,400 Economic Forum. They say the great reset, I believe them 511 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,440 because there's been too much that's happening that makes 512 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,720 sense in that regard. And when Apple lost 20% This week, okay, 513 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,480 that was the last company that really was holding on to 514 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,440 something. So we're going into some form of negative economic 515 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:40,170 spiral, or perhaps a recession, who knows? And it's all just 516 00:34:40,170 --> 00:34:44,190 terms, but the cheap money is gone. And that's what happens 517 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,030 when the Federal Reserve raises interest rates. So that's what 518 00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:51,360 slows down house prices because No, I got a mortgage at just 519 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,180 under 3%. Now you can't get one under five. 520 00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:57,750 Then that happened quick. That happened very, very. 521 00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:03,120 The 10 year The interest rate has doubled in just four months. 522 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120 I mean, so there's a lot going on. But what that mainly means 523 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,220 is that no more cheap money, no more cheap money means, well, 524 00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:15,810 where do you see it happen first? Netflix? Why? Because 525 00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:18,450 they could just get all the cheap money because shit was 526 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:21,090 just growing. And then when the economy slows down a little bit 527 00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:23,700 as people start to make choices, particularly when the markets 528 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,640 saturated, well, you know, Netflix hasn't really done all 529 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,240 that much for me, I like Marvel Cinematic Universe, so I get my 530 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:35,280 Disney plus, and maybe I'll have Hulu. I'm not, I don't think 531 00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:38,460 that people will easily go back to the advertise the 532 00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:41,850 interruptive advertising model, which is, in fact, Netflix's 533 00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:44,580 strategy to get out of this, because people have been 534 00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:49,350 spoiled. So not only is it money, that's cheap like that, 535 00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:53,010 but money that's cheap for companies, for marketing, that's 536 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:55,950 the first place your money always gets cut. The budgets are 537 00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:59,280 always cut in marketing, advertising, advertising, 538 00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:02,310 everything. And I know a lot of people in advertising and 539 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,160 marketing, they're they're firing entire teams, because the 540 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,880 clients are cutting back budgets. And then so you've I 541 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,460 mean that now you see the spiral. Now you got people out 542 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:14,430 of work, and all these things started to happen. So when I 543 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:18,900 also hear about some magical number of podcast advertising 544 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,460 being at $1.4 billion over 22 years, I'm sorry, there's a 545 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:29,370 couple things one, where's the money going? Who's getting this? 546 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:35,070 I mean, I Heart Radio 65 million. Okay, that's not even 547 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:39,300 near a portion of the big money. And I think most of this is 548 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,750 just, it's, I mean, I'd have to really delve into the numbers, 549 00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:47,280 but I don't believe that there's $101.4 billion roaming around 550 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,710 podcasting. And that 85% of that is programmatic ad insertions. I 551 00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:56,490 just have a hard time believing it. But regardless, it's a 552 00:36:56,490 --> 00:37:00,270 trailing indicator. It's a trailing indicator of a 553 00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:06,030 different year. And I don't think you're going to see good 554 00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:08,490 news coming out of podcasts is going to be the first place 555 00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:09,240 they'll cut. 556 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,890 I would like to companies 557 00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:18,720 looking at Oh, sorry. No, no hidden Mitch. I was gonna say 558 00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:22,590 any large companies trying to get into podcasting, seeing it 559 00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:26,310 as a potential cash cow aren't just in for disappointment. 560 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:27,000 That's another 561 00:37:26,999 --> 00:37:30,629 thing is no one's making any profit. Spotify is not making 562 00:37:30,629 --> 00:37:33,119 profit, I Heart Radio, not making profit, no one's 563 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:33,779 profiting. 564 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,250 Right. And what podcasting is good for is, you as an 565 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:41,910 individual or a small group, want to reach your audience 566 00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:46,560 directly, as directly as possible. And then you build a 567 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,340 relationship with them. And then they, out of their own choice 568 00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:53,400 basically decide to support you either through getting your 569 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,660 premium content may be able to get advertisers involved, but 570 00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:02,160 the idea of a giant corporation being able to make revenue to 571 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,860 their satisfaction, you know, as publicly traded companies with 572 00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:08,760 billions of dollars, I don't see it happening. You know, Facebook 573 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,930 scrapped their plans after a year. Yeah, those 574 00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:15,540 guys know that you they can't make money with you can't 575 00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:18,060 monetize the network. They figured it out real quick that 576 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:20,760 like, this is not going to work for us. And it's going to be a 577 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,370 pain in the ass because everyone's going after 578 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:26,460 podcasters because you know, they're the disinformation the 579 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:28,080 mega disinformation giants. 580 00:38:28,649 --> 00:38:32,909 Well, this, this fits it. I'd like to have the board's 581 00:38:32,909 --> 00:38:34,199 attention for a moment. Okay, 582 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,190 hold on a second. Dave Jones pod sage has the talking stick. 583 00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:42,750 Port a point of personal privilege. I would like to speak 584 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:44,340 momentarily about brand safety. 585 00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:47,850 brand safety is on the table so seconded and move okay. 586 00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:53,940 You know, the thing that Tom, Tom Webster was interviewed on 587 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:59,040 pod land yesterday, and I heard as a as a general rule, I don't 588 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880 usually play potluck clips. But I brought some today and I mean, 589 00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:07,380 Tom Webster. He seems like nice dude. I've never met him but 590 00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:10,920 none of this is a criticism with him. I mean, he's seems like a 591 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,170 fine guys ad, you know, Advertising Research guy. 592 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440 He's a radio guy. He's an old time radio guy. 593 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:22,500 Yeah. So you know, you can go into he's talking in this first 594 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,120 clip about hearing Todd Cochran show for the first time and that 595 00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,360 that's what attracted him initially not Do you want to 596 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,820 explain who he is? He just can't he was from Edison Research and 597 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,600 led a lot of their research efforts on radio and podcasting 598 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,330 and I think other types of media too but sure, those two for 599 00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:46,140 sure. And then he just left and went over to join Brian 600 00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:47,460 Barletta, which sounds profitable. 601 00:39:47,789 --> 00:39:51,299 Now is sounds profitable. Is Cridland, also a partner in 602 00:39:51,299 --> 00:39:51,599 that? 603 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,720 I don't really understand the relationship. James will have to 604 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,940 explain that but I mean, I thought they were all part of 605 00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:57,540 the same. That's 606 00:39:57,539 --> 00:40:00,239 what I thought too. I tried to look the other day couldn't 607 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,899 figure it out. 608 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040 Yeah, it's, I mean, I think his I think it all comes from the 609 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,500 same newsletter generator because they all right, they all 610 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,620 have the same format. Right. But, um, but I think sounds 611 00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:17,790 profitable started as a as an imprint of, of pod pod news. 612 00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:23,760 Right? Yeah. But I could have that all wrong. Anyway, he, you 613 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,000 know, he's, he's talking about Todd Cochran show geek news, 614 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,180 central being way, way back being the first show that he 615 00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:33,960 heard, and what attracted him to it in this first 616 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,290 clip? Yeah, it's geek News Central podcast Hall of Famer, 617 00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:40,170 Todd Cochran. I'm pretty sure that was the first podcast that 618 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,270 I discovered, and it was really early days, it's probably the 619 00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:46,710 very end of 2004. And Todd was just getting started. But he was 620 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,770 talking about things that you weren't going to hear on 621 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,890 broadcast radio. And at that time, a lot of my portfolio was 622 00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:53,940 broadcast radio, and 623 00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:58,739 yeah, so what what he's saying brought, you know, interested in 624 00:40:58,739 --> 00:41:01,529 him and got him sort of hooked into podcasting was this idea 625 00:41:01,529 --> 00:41:05,339 that what he heard, he's like, I'm hearing stuff on podcast 626 00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:08,849 that you can't hear in mainstream media. That was the 627 00:41:08,849 --> 00:41:12,239 thing that brought him in. And that's the thing that brings a 628 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,469 lot of people in because you feel like you're getting a 629 00:41:16,469 --> 00:41:21,929 chance to hear people as they really are, or maybe views about 630 00:41:21,929 --> 00:41:26,279 things that you didn't get did or more sanitized and curated on 631 00:41:26,279 --> 00:41:30,149 mainstream media. For a lot of people. That's a big draw. And 632 00:41:30,149 --> 00:41:35,249 evidently, it was for him to and that, then that leads them to 633 00:41:35,249 --> 00:41:42,089 this discussion of advertising in that net prediction this 634 00:41:42,089 --> 00:41:45,509 week. That was like, I don't know, but 2024 $44 billion. 635 00:41:46,919 --> 00:41:51,749 Yeah. So he's got he's what's funny about this is he like, he 636 00:41:51,749 --> 00:41:54,119 totally walks away from that. He's like, he's like, I'm not 637 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,479 touching that with a 10 foot pole. It No, he, he's not going 638 00:41:57,479 --> 00:42:01,139 near that prediction. Instead, instead, he starts talking about 639 00:42:01,139 --> 00:42:04,559 the barriers to money flowing into podcasting and clip to 640 00:42:04,829 --> 00:42:09,119 talking of advertising. We're getting to see the IAB 641 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,509 advertising the sixth annual report saying that the next 642 00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:15,239 couple of years, certainly by 2024, we're going to see a four 643 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,049 fold increase in the revenues from podcasting. Is that 644 00:42:19,049 --> 00:42:22,589 something that you will sing Edison as well as that growth in 645 00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,079 brands coming to podcasting, 646 00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:28,889 it's still got a ways to catch up. And I'm not a big 647 00:42:28,889 --> 00:42:32,609 forecaster, my career has been based on describing the present 648 00:42:32,609 --> 00:42:36,029 day, as accurate as I can. So I don't know that it's going to 649 00:42:36,029 --> 00:42:39,689 increase fourfold. I know that won't happen by itself. And 650 00:42:40,019 --> 00:42:43,529 that's something that Brian and I are going to be very focused 651 00:42:43,529 --> 00:42:47,609 on that sounds profitable, is to remove as many obstacles as we 652 00:42:47,609 --> 00:42:51,089 can to those dollars getting into podcasting, because right 653 00:42:51,089 --> 00:42:55,679 now, if you look at the dollars flowing into podcasting, versus 654 00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,279 the dollars flowing into broadcast radio, and you compare 655 00:42:59,279 --> 00:43:03,179 the listening to the to podcasting is still punching way 656 00:43:03,179 --> 00:43:06,719 below its weight I saw, I Hart's revenues were announced this 657 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,319 week. And podcasting was I think, 8% of their overall 658 00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:13,049 revenue. Maybe that should be higher, right. I don't think 659 00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:18,179 revenues are going up and radio. So I think it will get there. I 660 00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:20,999 don't know the timeline that it will get there, but it will get 661 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:25,379 there when some of the obstacles to monetizing all of podcasting, 662 00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:28,679 I think are removed and and the way is smoothed. 663 00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:38,640 Yeah. I see a lot of money going into brands pod brand 664 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,360 podcasting. I wonder if that's getting counted. I see like lots 665 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,760 of money going to sports podcasting. Is that a fair 666 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,720 representation of adverts quote unquote, advertising money going 667 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,160 into podcasting or as an extension of a brand that as I 668 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,200 think you're pointing out, is really not what a lot of people 669 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,380 like about podcasting because it's an extension of an existing 670 00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:12,060 entertainment product in an in a in the traditional system. Does 671 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:14,700 that makes sense? Dave? Muted Dave. 672 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:23,940 Oh, um, that back crap. Pulled a Mitch. Yeah. Sorry, Mitch. That 673 00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:24,120 was 674 00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:28,439 it. Just Just so you guys know. I mean, the noise gate keeps out 675 00:44:28,439 --> 00:44:30,929 a lot. And we heard your dog barking tape. It's okay. It's 676 00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:31,319 cute. 677 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,700 Oh, well, no, I agree. I mean, this you're talking about like 678 00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:38,430 ESPN launches. 10 podcasts. Well, 679 00:44:38,429 --> 00:44:42,209 even even the NBA has their own podcast series, I believe. 680 00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:45,150 Yeah, then so you then you're selling to advertisers. You say 681 00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:47,430 oh, you're gonna buy you're gonna buy our TV you also have 682 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:48,450 to buy podcasts. 683 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,990 Yeah, that's that's how Spotify does it with their deals. Well, 684 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:55,140 you know you have to buy Joe Rogan if you want to even buy 685 00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:56,460 anything on our network. 686 00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:01,530 You know, when the thing that I started Thinking about actually 687 00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,600 turn the turn the interviewer off started thinking about 688 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,960 because he talks about lowering the barriers, that lowering the 689 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:13,290 obstacles to to money flowing into podcasting. And 690 00:45:13,379 --> 00:45:15,089 some money just flowed into podcasts. 691 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:22,230 And, and that's that got me thinking, turn it off. I thought 692 00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:24,360 about that for a minute. Because that was that was an interesting 693 00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:30,810 description. And I think that we have this, I think there's a 694 00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:33,660 milieu, the you know, your favorite or your favorite word 695 00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:43,230 now move you million of you that these ideas that permeate our 696 00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:47,580 frame of reference, or that aren't really, they're rarely 697 00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:54,750 spoken, or sometimes not spoken at all. But I hate to say taken 698 00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:58,740 for granted. Because it's not, it's not really a great phrase. 699 00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:02,280 But there's there are things at work that we take for granted 700 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,760 that we take for granted and become comfortable with as as an 701 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,170 ideas as a part of the ideas set within the thing that we're 702 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:12,990 involved in. And podcasting is no different. You know, it's 703 00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:18,420 similar to something like freedoms or something like free 704 00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:23,520 speech. People within the quote unquote free speech, community, 705 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:30,090 free speech zone, space, space, free speech space, if free 706 00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:31,590 speech absolutist 707 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:36,150 absolute Yes, yes. And people who care about that I would 708 00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:41,670 count myself as one of them. We assumed things, like, one thing 709 00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:47,160 you might assume is, is that everyone who is is giving their 710 00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:52,980 their ideas publicly believes they're true, that that might be 711 00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:56,670 a thing that you share, and it is unspoken, and we all just 712 00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,540 sort of take it for granted. And so then our frame of reference 713 00:47:00,570 --> 00:47:04,530 then becomes influenced by that where we think okay out, because 714 00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:09,360 we think that people are just honestly trying to speak their 715 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,400 the thing that they think is true. outlawing that thing is, 716 00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:19,470 is unconscionable, because you're criminalizing even though 717 00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:22,890 they might be wrong, you're criminalizing being wrong. These 718 00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:29,190 things begin to they permeate your, your, your your group or 719 00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:36,240 your milieu, and did and then you but they're not spoken out 720 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,790 loud. And I think that's something similar is going on 721 00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:42,600 here. Sort of like what goes in and own in a newsroom where you 722 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,440 just sort of pick up over time this, okay, you don't you don't 723 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,050 report on this sort of thing, or you do report on this sort of 724 00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:51,990 thing. Or when you do report on this thing. You you say these 725 00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:52,470 phrases 726 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,820 or or anything that goes wrong in the United States is Trump's 727 00:47:56,820 --> 00:48:01,950 fault. Yes. previous administration. Yeah. And 728 00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:05,520 you say it out loud, you know, in because everybody else is 729 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,320 doing it that way. is I think something similar is going on? 730 00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:14,670 Yes. I think that's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. 731 00:48:15,449 --> 00:48:20,609 Yeah, it's in what is the unspoken thing is brand safety? 732 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:26,429 Yes. In the brand safety is the obstacle that I think that he's 733 00:48:26,429 --> 00:48:30,149 talking about. And I'm not sure that he even is aware that he's 734 00:48:30,149 --> 00:48:31,439 talking about that thing. 735 00:48:31,469 --> 00:48:36,209 Well, okay, so thank you for bringing this up. All that money 736 00:48:36,209 --> 00:48:40,409 that is being spent on podcasting is going into in many 737 00:48:40,409 --> 00:48:44,009 cases is going and this will also start to dry up with the 738 00:48:44,009 --> 00:48:48,059 cheap, free money being free, cheap to free money being gone. 739 00:48:48,059 --> 00:48:55,289 Now. There are some podcasts who that cost $1,000 $2,000 $5,000 740 00:48:55,289 --> 00:49:01,409 to make. And the only way you get that back is by assuming 741 00:49:01,769 --> 00:49:05,129 I'll use the password in this case, assuming that there's 742 00:49:05,129 --> 00:49:08,519 going to be advertising for that. And that may be for a few 743 00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:13,049 shows. But it you know, I don't care what the Obama said. I 744 00:49:13,049 --> 00:49:15,599 believe Spotify cut them loose because they had no way to 745 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,469 monetize them. People just truly were not interested in listening 746 00:49:19,469 --> 00:49:22,679 to what they had to say, or those particular productions. 747 00:49:22,979 --> 00:49:26,249 I've never seen well in the very beginning. Oh, it's number one. 748 00:49:26,459 --> 00:49:29,429 Michelle Obama's podcast but then it was like, Oh, now every 749 00:49:29,429 --> 00:49:32,759 app can use it because you know, it's important message no is 750 00:49:32,759 --> 00:49:35,489 because you needed reach for your advertisers, which was tied 751 00:49:35,489 --> 00:49:39,779 in Downey or whatever. Sorry, Mitch. Hey, are you related? 752 00:49:42,389 --> 00:49:44,819 We don't have any advertisements. It's not us 753 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:46,110 pod verse pods. 754 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,030 So so there's this this very typical Hollywood type vibe of 755 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,620 and I put Cleveland and you know, the pod land and the 756 00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:58,530 Bartlett I put them all in that kind of that category, because 757 00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:03,540 what they report on all day Ong is big names, reasonably big 758 00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:07,230 names, big media companies creating new podcasts, all kinds 759 00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:11,490 of great different genres and in all kinds of things that are not 760 00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:13,800 cheap, because these people are getting at least the host. 761 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,170 They're getting paid. There's lots of money that's gone into 762 00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:20,520 this. And what we see is no one is profiting from it yet. So 763 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,560 they're in this flywheel of look, I got a job now. And now I 764 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,450 don't know anyone's situation, personally. But I just question 765 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:37,950 if, if you can keep creating big, anything over $5 is big to 766 00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:40,230 me. You know what I mean? That's, 767 00:50:40,259 --> 00:50:43,589 that's why I bring it that's why I bring it up is because I feel 768 00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:47,789 like I think that that is the milieu that permeates through a 769 00:50:47,789 --> 00:50:52,769 lot of the podcasting press. And so they they talk about these 770 00:50:52,769 --> 00:50:56,339 things with met, perhaps not even realizing what's really 771 00:50:56,339 --> 00:50:59,579 going on under the surface. The language is there. 772 00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,579 And that's the only stuff that will get any advertising is the 773 00:51:02,579 --> 00:51:07,559 completely brand safe, scripted, be upfront presented. Everybody 774 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,559 know, this is grow. These are very serious people. You know, 775 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,859 there's never going to be an F bomb or something controversial 776 00:51:13,859 --> 00:51:16,559 and of course, that still happened. See any show from 777 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:22,289 gimlet? Right. It's it's unavoidable, and advertisers shy 778 00:51:22,289 --> 00:51:23,819 away from that you're so right. 779 00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:26,970 And here's the here's the kicker. Let me bring it home. So 780 00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:32,790 clip three. He's Sam asked him a question. He talked about the 781 00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:36,780 bear removing the barriers in the previous, his previous 782 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,830 statement. So Sam just says, you know, what, what are the 783 00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:41,460 barriers? 784 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:45,720 Yeah, I think there's tremendous opportunity for programmatic 785 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,300 advertising in podcasting. And right now it's getting it's 786 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,700 getting a bad rap. And it's getting that for two reasons. 787 00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,180 Number one, I think a lack of understanding of what it can do. 788 00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:58,380 But also, I think, a lack of execution, the programmatic got 789 00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:01,530 a lot better on things like Facebook, your Facebook ads 790 00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:05,010 seven or eight years ago, were absolutely terrible. And now I 791 00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,920 don't think a week goes by that I either don't buy or I'm 792 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,840 tempted to buy something I see on Facebook. 793 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,449 So yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, yeah. He says, he asked him, What are 794 00:52:15,449 --> 00:52:18,809 the barriers? And he says, he starts talking about 795 00:52:18,809 --> 00:52:24,329 programmatic ads. That's an odd jump to make, from what are the 796 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,780 barriers to political answer. It's how politician answers 797 00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:29,070 stuff. Here's the 798 00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:31,380 mental job, let me map it out for you. Here's the middle jump 799 00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:36,450 advertising means it needs increase, it means increased ad 800 00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:40,980 spending. This is how you get this is how you remove barriers 801 00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:44,310 in your you increase ad spending to bring more money into 802 00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:48,480 podcasting, that requires volume, because there's not 803 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,830 enough big shows to do it on their own. Yep, that means 804 00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:57,840 selling to more small shows. The only way to do that is with 805 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,580 programmatic. And that inherently means brand safety 806 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:05,880 concerns because you're buying in volume across many, many, 807 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:11,190 many small shows. And that's the barrier, that that mental 808 00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:15,240 progression right there. That is the barrier to ad dollars coming 809 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,310 into podcasting in the way that they talk about it. That because 810 00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:23,400 you you have we're at the point now where there's not enough big 811 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,110 shows to to sit to bring in the big money. So you have to go 812 00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:33,900 volume. And that inherently means brand danger. Yeah. And I 813 00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,680 think that's what led that is also behind him, again, maybe 814 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,800 not consciously what's going on with like a cast announcing 815 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,430 their conversational targeting and that kind of thing. This is 816 00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:51,000 all about identifying, trying to make programmatic better, 817 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,810 because that's how you target. That's how you target the small 818 00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:58,740 1000s of small shows at once in and try to do it in a way that 819 00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:02,670 doesn't kill your brand. That's putting it next to bad stuff. 820 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,120 I just don't see them being sincere not Not, not these guys 821 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,760 specifically. But the if there's an industry, which I don't 822 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,580 believe I think there's just apps, no industry, no podcast 823 00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:17,640 industries apps. If they're sincere about it, then why is it 824 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,580 still I mean, the transcripts are the perfect way to get your 825 00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:25,230 content context and maybe catch some words or, or maybe unknown, 826 00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:29,340 there's, I've been told AI is magic. So that should be able to 827 00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:32,460 be used, but there's no real push towards the implementation 828 00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:36,300 of transcripts, either. I'm not even sure that you know, that 829 00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:39,000 Amazon, wasn't Amazon going to do that in the background and 830 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,310 then use that I don't think anyone's doing it. 831 00:54:41,849 --> 00:54:45,989 Well, you know, the idea that we're or that gets talked about 832 00:54:45,989 --> 00:54:49,169 is this idea of put putting things into transcripts so that 833 00:54:49,169 --> 00:54:53,609 you can search for keywords to sell against, but in that may be 834 00:54:53,609 --> 00:54:56,639 true to a certain extent, but I think it's equally if not more 835 00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,759 about identifying keywords to avoid Yeah, 836 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,350 yeah. Yeah, exactly. weigh in here. I like to say that up, 837 00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:09,000 podcasts are shows you can listen to in any app, that this 838 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,660 is what differentiates podcasting from legacy media, 839 00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:16,230 which is that legacy media had to go through centralized 840 00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:21,510 channels that have the authority to release it or not release it 841 00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:26,100 or censor it. And these large brands prefer that safety, 842 00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,370 because they have somebody they can reach and make sure is 843 00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,180 filtering the content that goes out. So that's why these brands 844 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,840 go to that. But podcasting is kind of the opposite of that. 845 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,350 It's it's RSS based, it's open in nature. And so yeah, they're, 846 00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:46,560 they're not going to get what they're looking for, from 847 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,970 podcasting, what they want are exclusives, which really are 848 00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:55,410 different from legacy media. They want conclusive content 849 00:55:55,410 --> 00:56:00,120 that is with one brand that they can talk to one company, and 850 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,540 they can negotiate or say, Hey, you have to cut this content. 851 00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:08,970 But that's not what podcasting is. So, you know, I know they 852 00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:14,610 say we have podcasts, like on Spotify, but in the traditional 853 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,930 sense of the word they don't, or at least their exclusive content 854 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,890 is not truly a podcast. I mean, it's no different in my opinion, 855 00:56:22,890 --> 00:56:27,840 than a Netflix series. If you have exclusive show on Netflix, 856 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,370 why not just call that a podcast 857 00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:32,460 to here's, here's the beautiful thing, because history has 858 00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:37,260 shown. And my favorite example is always AOL, that you give 859 00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:41,250 people a beautifully walled garden, and it's all nice and 860 00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:45,060 safe. And it's brand safe, and it's good. And, you know, the PG 861 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:48,870 13 stuff is labeled, but you give people a little opening and 862 00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:52,560 say, but by the way, you know, there's this internet over here 863 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,170 will give you a browser, but you have to click on all these 864 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,530 dialogues and say I'm okay because I might see porn or I 865 00:56:58,530 --> 00:57:03,180 might see a bad word or it might not work properly. And within a 866 00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:06,600 year, everyone was just sucked right out of that portal and AOL 867 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,440 became a dial up company. It's going to be people want the 868 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,160 danger? We inherent we love it. We love the danger. Oh my god, I 869 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,690 can't believe it. This. Twitter is a game of who can say the 870 00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:22,200 most outrageous shit about someone else, preferably, until 871 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,320 they get the platform. What can you do on you? And it's an it's 872 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,560 a game between the creator and the audience at this point, oh, 873 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,960 I can't believe you did that, oh, you're gonna get a strike. 874 00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:36,030 You know, it's, it's sad to watch. And what's interesting is 875 00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:40,560 I realized in this past week, and I believe advertising, 876 00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:44,100 always equal censorship, even if it's just not being able to talk 877 00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,830 about a competing brand or but you put filters in so you don't 878 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:49,050 piss off your advertisers. I've done it all my life, I 879 00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:55,050 understand it. Had to two people I've worked with, and I like, 880 00:57:56,070 --> 00:58:02,010 we're deep platformed. And for different reasons. But the 881 00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:06,270 bottom line is, if you have something of value, that you 882 00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:12,990 don't control, they, they, the masses can and probably will 883 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:17,010 take it from you. Because always someone who doesn't like you, 884 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,260 there's always someone who disagrees and has a different 885 00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:24,450 way of solving things. And whether it's a YouTube channel, 886 00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:29,790 whether it's an advertiser, whether it's a board seat on the 887 00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:32,790 podcast Academy, if it's something that can be taken 888 00:58:32,790 --> 00:58:38,640 away, eventually, it most likely will be what they can take away. 889 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,180 Is your RSS feed. I mean, yet technically, you can get down to 890 00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:45,900 the server level, but that's unlikely. And even then, you 891 00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:50,640 know, we'll deal with IPFS but they can't take away or or, or 892 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,030 modify or change your feed your mp3. And now with podcasting 2.0 893 00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:03,600 Your potential to survive financially, financially? I love 894 00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:04,500 what we're doing. 895 00:59:05,579 --> 00:59:10,139 Yeah. And that gives an out because it's almost, it's 896 00:59:10,139 --> 00:59:14,759 necessary. And that's kind of where this ends up is that it's, 897 00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:19,979 it's, it's necessary to have this even podcasting 2.0 has 898 00:59:19,979 --> 00:59:26,099 never been ad advertising hostile in the sense that that 899 00:59:26,759 --> 00:59:30,899 advertising has to fail in order for podcasting 2.0 or value for 900 00:59:30,899 --> 00:59:34,979 value to succeed. That's not No, not at all. Not at all. Not at 901 00:59:34,979 --> 00:59:37,169 all. It's never been the case and brands it because brand 902 00:59:37,169 --> 00:59:42,209 safety is not inherently a bad thing. Like if I had, if I have 903 00:59:42,209 --> 00:59:44,699 some product in the future, and I want to buy some advertising 904 00:59:44,909 --> 00:59:47,279 for it. There's going to be content that I don't want it to 905 00:59:47,279 --> 00:59:51,329 be seen against and that's it. That's me. Yeah, I don't want 906 00:59:51,329 --> 00:59:56,699 that. But the more important question is, does brand safety 907 00:59:56,699 --> 01:00:02,159 lead to healthy outcomes or to Truth Truth, the outcomes for 908 01:00:02,189 --> 01:00:06,509 content and society. Yeah, true? Because and I would argue that 909 01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,049 the answer to that is no, because that's not his job brand 910 01:00:10,049 --> 01:00:13,589 safety, his job is to protect the brand by safety for the 911 01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:17,489 brand. Yeah. And that's not that's inherently not, not has 912 01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,419 doesn't have anything to do with whether the content is true. So 913 01:00:21,449 --> 01:00:25,889 that that's you almost you have to have these out the podcast 914 01:00:25,889 --> 01:00:30,839 and people know has to exist for that for this very reason that 915 01:00:31,229 --> 01:00:33,449 you're going to have, you're going to have brand safety and 916 01:00:33,449 --> 01:00:36,689 sometimes you sometimes brand safety is good, but it's good 917 01:00:36,689 --> 01:00:41,009 for the brand. It's not good for the subject matter in and of 918 01:00:41,009 --> 01:00:42,899 itself and objective sense. 919 01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:52,139 I completely agree. And I see what's going on and I see. D 920 01:00:52,139 --> 01:00:56,939 platforming so fucking evil. It's, it's so lame, you know, 921 01:00:56,939 --> 01:01:00,029 and the only way to protect yourself is just have nothing of 922 01:01:00,029 --> 01:01:04,079 value. The only thing that is a value that I don't control is my 923 01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:08,099 my Twitter handle that still has some value to me. But everything 924 01:01:08,099 --> 01:01:12,149 else now there's nothing and see the shit I say been an 925 01:01:12,149 --> 01:01:14,489 additional D platform isn't what are you going to take? What are 926 01:01:14,489 --> 01:01:15,029 you going to do? 927 01:01:16,290 --> 01:01:21,540 Yeah, it's, I think I think it's in the long run. I think there's 928 01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:26,130 two industries, pretending to be two pretending to be one 929 01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:29,610 industry. Yes, there's open podcasting, open RSS, 930 01:01:29,610 --> 01:01:32,940 podcasting. And then there's advertising based podcasting. 931 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,230 And some, if you if you have a Venn diagram of both, there's a 932 01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:39,900 little bit of overlap in the middle, where all the big shows 933 01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:44,070 exist, that are non exclusive. And otherwise, they're really 934 01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:49,470 not. There's really not a whole lot of overlap. And you can you 935 01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:54,060 can tell, which, you know, by by who you're listening to, you can 936 01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:57,960 see which part of the which industry they're from, are they 937 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,740 from open RSS? Are they from advertising, right? You can just 938 01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:05,250 hear it in in the way that people speak. And it's not a 939 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,460 it's not a slam on anybody. It's just just the way it is the way 940 01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:12,660 the industry has, it has turned in that direction. And 941 01:02:12,659 --> 01:02:16,289 podcasting takes a long time for things to catch on and for 942 01:02:16,289 --> 01:02:18,959 things to grow in this unexpected moments like the 943 01:02:18,959 --> 01:02:22,559 serial podcasts, unexpected moments that give it a super 944 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:28,049 boost boost. And we and we will see that but our secret weapon 945 01:02:28,049 --> 01:02:32,429 is, you know, Spotify can't buy all the hosting companies. 946 01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:36,720 Yeah, and the secret the secret weapon is also like pod verse. 947 01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:37,020 Yeah, 948 01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:42,480 exactly. Yeah, exactly. We have all these different apps and new 949 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,110 ideas, fresh ideas, things that may have a very small user base, 950 01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:49,710 but it doesn't matter. Everybody can survive and the whole 951 01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:55,380 ecosystem benefits no one benefits from from a spotlight 952 01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:58,530 from the Michelle Obama podcast, Mitch downy had no way to 953 01:02:58,530 --> 01:03:02,970 benefit from that. Nor did nor does he Stephen V. Nord is 954 01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:08,520 Stephen B. You know, or or, or Roy, no one had a way to benefit 955 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,940 not Roy wouldn't doesn't put those non value podcasts in his 956 01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:14,820 app. But you understand what I'm saying? There's no benefit 957 01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:18,180 there. So you just fucking the system. That was the whole 958 01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:20,730 problem to start with. That's why we had no apps. 959 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,900 Well, we do it for the love of podcasting. 960 01:03:24,990 --> 01:03:28,350 Oh, please. Oh, shut up. Mitch. You liar. Do it for money. I 961 01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:30,840 know. You're doing it for money. I know what's right. The 962 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,340 mountains of dough, you're just swimming in like Scrooge McDuck. 963 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:38,700 They're diving into your, your, your cash pile? 964 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,249 Yeah, that's what I've been doing for eight years. 965 01:03:42,809 --> 01:03:44,879 I hear your brother, I'm a podcaster. I hear 966 01:03:46,889 --> 01:03:47,759 that but 967 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:52,080 we're able to move so quickly and do things that were not 968 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,440 possible. Or that the other big brands wouldn't even pursue like 969 01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:59,880 value payments? 970 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,060 Or the LIVE TAG? Yeah. Or 971 01:04:03,059 --> 01:04:04,829 the live tag or pod paying 972 01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:07,470 look at look at how revolutionary pod ping is. It'll 973 01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:14,100 take a bit but eventually, polling will be so Boomer. Yeah, 974 01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:17,220 it should be we need to get everybody on pod being as soon 975 01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:19,380 as possible. It is such a game changer. 976 01:04:20,219 --> 01:04:23,009 Can I Can I ask you? Can I ask you about that, Mitch, because I 977 01:04:23,009 --> 01:04:26,759 want to ask you about in your syncing with the index. I want 978 01:04:26,759 --> 01:04:34,529 to ask because, well, a couple of things. How are you doing 979 01:04:34,529 --> 01:04:38,999 that currently, because I'm noticing some old feeds that 980 01:04:39,149 --> 01:04:43,949 that are dead now that are still showing up? That'll be number 981 01:04:43,950 --> 01:04:46,560 one. What can I ask a question, first of all, Mitch, why is 982 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:52,560 Mitch syncing with the database and not using the API or syncing 983 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,930 with the API? It is all you're syncing with the API. Okay, but 984 01:04:54,930 --> 01:04:58,440 you're syncing. So you have you use your own copy of the 985 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,200 database for your for the app accesses, 986 01:05:01,499 --> 01:05:07,109 yes. Before podcasting 2.0 existed, we had our own database 987 01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:12,119 and parser setup. And we had about 50,000 podcasts in our 988 01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,999 database. And we couldn't scale up to do much more than that, 989 01:05:17,999 --> 01:05:21,779 because of all of the problems associated with polling RSS 990 01:05:21,779 --> 01:05:27,029 feeds. And then once you guys made the podcasts index, Dave, 991 01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:32,549 expose some endpoints for us, we now pull the API on a schedule, 992 01:05:32,579 --> 01:05:36,449 like every 15 minutes or something. And we pull in all of 993 01:05:36,449 --> 01:05:39,299 the feeds that have that your system has detected and 994 01:05:39,299 --> 01:05:43,529 updating, and that signals to our system to run our parsers 995 01:05:43,529 --> 01:05:48,509 over it. So we started with 50,000. Now we have over 5 996 01:05:48,509 --> 01:05:52,469 million, and that would be impossible. For us on our 997 01:05:52,469 --> 01:05:56,669 budget, we don't have a budget to be able to accomplish 998 01:05:56,759 --> 01:06:01,019 without, you know, without you guys doing the heavy lifting of 999 01:06:01,019 --> 01:06:04,289 detecting updates, and also listening to updates with POD 1000 01:06:04,289 --> 01:06:07,559 bean and Pub Sub and whatever other approaches you're using. 1001 01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:14,460 Okay, so that. So in light of that, how are you detecting 1002 01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,600 which feeds that we marked dead? Because I'm not sure that that's 1003 01:06:19,590 --> 01:06:21,690 that that's syncing correctly? 1004 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,140 It's not flawless? It's crazy, because I wrote it. 1005 01:06:26,099 --> 01:06:26,969 No, stop. 1006 01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:32,759 You're good? Well, it is running on a schedule. If there were 1007 01:06:32,759 --> 01:06:37,949 downtime, we could miss updates. There's other potential bugs, 1008 01:06:37,949 --> 01:06:41,129 like maybe the list was too long at a moment, and we didn't 1009 01:06:41,219 --> 01:06:44,069 paginate through the whole thing. It's something I need to 1010 01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:48,659 revisit, right now, as people report that there's issues we 1011 01:06:48,659 --> 01:06:52,559 manually correct it. But we do have automated we I think it 1012 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:57,899 listened to the dead podcasts or dead feeds endpoint. I just 1013 01:06:57,899 --> 01:07:02,429 fixed the bug recently where there's tricky issues like you 1014 01:07:02,429 --> 01:07:06,719 had two feeds that were for the same podcast in podcast index. 1015 01:07:07,169 --> 01:07:12,779 And then at a later point, you changed the RSS URL that was for 1016 01:07:12,779 --> 01:07:16,049 the new version of that podcast back to the old ID. 1017 01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:21,930 Was that Jensen feed? Was that what that was there? 1018 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,360 Maybe there's so many shenanigans in ours. 1019 01:07:29,250 --> 01:07:32,880 Oh, no, it was Mike. Doc. hotbox. And was Mike Tyson. 1020 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,680 Actually, that's the one I remember. 1021 01:07:35,099 --> 01:07:37,949 Oh, that I didn't do that one manually. That must be the new 1022 01:07:37,949 --> 01:07:41,759 automated redirect. Redirect changer. Yeah. 1023 01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:47,099 Okay, well, I found, I think I have a fix for that I like do a 1024 01:07:47,099 --> 01:07:50,909 lookup to help match it. But so it's not a perfect syncing 1025 01:07:50,909 --> 01:07:55,409 operation. It does seem to work, like 99.9% of the time, 1026 01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,289 hey, if you're hitting nothing, if you're hitting the high 90s 1027 01:07:58,289 --> 01:08:00,689 and RSS world, you're doing pretty good. I mean, you're you 1028 01:08:00,689 --> 01:08:07,049 know, that's, that's fine, usually. But what can I do to 1029 01:08:07,049 --> 01:08:10,469 help because I want do I just need because, you know, I 1030 01:08:10,469 --> 01:08:14,189 started producing a dead feeds list. I don't know if you've 1031 01:08:14,189 --> 01:08:17,519 seen that. It's just an object storage. And so you can just 1032 01:08:17,519 --> 01:08:21,509 download it, it just literally lists out every dead feed in the 1033 01:08:21,509 --> 01:08:25,049 entire index as one humongous file. You can download that and 1034 01:08:25,049 --> 01:08:27,449 just blow through it and just mark everything dead. 1035 01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:31,620 Yeah, that could be useful. Okay. Is there a different state 1036 01:08:31,620 --> 01:08:36,210 though, where it's like a dead feed, but it gets, like switched 1037 01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:39,270 to another feed or switch to another ID? 1038 01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:43,259 Yes, there's a there's, there's the dead flag. And then there's 1039 01:08:43,259 --> 01:08:47,759 a duplicate of and so if it's got a dip, that's what I'll send 1040 01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:50,759 you the URL for that object storage file, because it's, it 1041 01:08:50,759 --> 01:08:55,709 lists out every dead feed ID. And then if it also, if that 1042 01:08:55,709 --> 01:08:59,939 dead feed ID was replaced, or or should be is a duplicate of a 1043 01:08:59,939 --> 01:09:02,699 different feed, it will point you to the ID of that feed. 1044 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,400 Okay. Yeah, something like that would help. To be honest. I 1045 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,000 haven't put as much time into the thinking because it just 1046 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,430 seems to work well enough for now. But I think what I need to 1047 01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,720 do is like, map it out our whole infrastructure and all of our 1048 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,730 thinking operations and how they work. And just like put all the 1049 01:09:26,730 --> 01:09:29,520 pieces on the table and see how we can improve it. 1050 01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:34,770 Because it always comes up because when I use pod verse to 1051 01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:37,740 search for podcasting, 2.0 I always see the podcasting 2.0 1052 01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:41,640 sandbox feed they're listed in that one's been dead for like 1053 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,450 months. So they'd always always so paying you for 1054 01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:53,699 if, if that was before, we added the dead feeds endpoint. Because 1055 01:09:53,699 --> 01:09:58,049 we are deleting feeds. We're listening to an endpoint and 1056 01:09:58,259 --> 01:10:03,449 podcasts index If that was that happened later. So there could 1057 01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:07,079 be like a whole era of feeds that has not been addressed. But 1058 01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,449 what you're saying with if you just have a dump of the whole 1059 01:10:09,809 --> 01:10:13,499 dead feeds list that we could, you know, have a job, make it 1060 01:10:13,499 --> 01:10:15,839 run for a day or something, and go through the whole thing. 1061 01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:18,480 Yeah, that might be Yeah, it's, I'll send you the URL, and 1062 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,960 maybe, you know, it may be useful for you to, you may find 1063 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,530 that you've got like, so many that can be killed and just then 1064 01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:26,640 take some load off. 1065 01:10:28,110 --> 01:10:34,620 You know, what's really open source, sends your pull requests 1066 01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:40,200 now. Pull requests, and please anybody who wants to help with 1067 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,610 this, we are all open source. And as you can tell, I could use 1068 01:10:44,610 --> 01:10:50,400 some help. We're at max capacity. But it's a lot of fun. 1069 01:10:50,549 --> 01:10:54,989 That's, that's another thing I wanted to ask you. This, okay. 1070 01:10:56,309 --> 01:10:59,549 So the other thing I want to ask you, as far as, you know, an 1071 01:10:59,549 --> 01:11:01,769 answer as much of this as you want and as little as you want, 1072 01:11:01,769 --> 01:11:08,159 but when it comes to, you know, you pay for premium pod verse 1073 01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,419 every month. And are y'all doing? Just are y'all doing 1074 01:11:12,419 --> 01:11:16,409 okay? I mean, financially, are you? You know, are you able to 1075 01:11:16,409 --> 01:11:18,209 pay the bills? I mean, how's that going for you? 1076 01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,280 We're doing okay, in the sense that as long as I have a day 1077 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,380 job, I can afford it. It's not unmanageable. It's actually 1078 01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:34,680 remarkably cheap for how like, like, supporting 5 million 1079 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,970 podcasts and having iOS Android F Droid and web and all the 1080 01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:43,260 stuff we do, but we're not making a profit yet. And 1081 01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:48,210 hopefully, we'll get there we're not profit motivated. That's not 1082 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:54,780 central. Like I just have this assumption that we keep getting 1083 01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:59,100 better and you know, just keep improving and eventually we'll 1084 01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,300 turn a corner with that. But you know, I'm not the world's best 1085 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,150 marketer either. I prefer sitting in front all your 1086 01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:08,400 target to do genius marketer, so 1087 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,300 you're in the right place, my friend before I, 1088 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,590 lest I forget Mitch, would you please email me right now a 1089 01:12:16,590 --> 01:12:19,350 wallet credential so that I can put you in the split for today's 1090 01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:21,840 show? This is something we need to ask up front Dave, we need to 1091 01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:24,330 we need to guest a guest sheet 1092 01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,880 and into intake form and intake 1093 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:27,720 form. There you go. 1094 01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:33,000 i There's there's trouble with that. My Umbral node does not 1095 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,710 have channels set up right now. 1096 01:12:34,799 --> 01:12:37,349 Do you have any do you have any wallet somewhere? 1097 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:41,610 I do. Oh, we do have a standard bitcoin wallet. No, no, 1098 01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:42,840 no, no, that won't work. 1099 01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:43,560 I can 1100 01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:45,420 we can give you a LM pay wallet. 1101 01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:51,689 Oh, you know what I can do shit. Can I just set it up? Give him a 1102 01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:54,839 Akira for sovereign fees wallet. 1103 01:12:55,650 --> 01:12:59,370 Oh yes, brand new. You can test that out too. Well, while we're 1104 01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:01,650 while we're running with scissors this breakout some more 1105 01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:02,760 scissors it's cool. 1106 01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:08,460 Go to sovereign feeds.com Mitch and then it'll ask you for an 1107 01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:11,580 email address it'll send you a token when you click on wallet 1108 01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:14,520 that is I think and then it'll give you a wallet and the 1109 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,940 details send those to me and and you even get stats 1110 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,560 All right cool. I'll do that during the donations segment yes 1111 01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:26,160 sovereign the sovereign fees what and if you've seen it Dave 1112 01:13:27,090 --> 01:13:30,210 The was pretty cool. I mean, it's got boost and stream 1113 01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:33,480 history and booster grams separately listed. 1114 01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:37,200 I haven't had a chance to look at it Can you can you describe 1115 01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:43,380 like what it's like when you I mean where does it exist in 1116 01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:45,030 Yugoslavia and seeds. 1117 01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:48,180 So if you go to to have you been to sovereign foods lately, 1118 01:13:48,210 --> 01:13:50,340 yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, I was there a couple days ago and is 1119 01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:52,020 there you see those right before he did 1120 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,920 okay, so there should be I think when you hit it before before 1121 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,500 you even get in it asks you to give your email address we're 1122 01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,500 gonna set up a wallet If not click the Sign In button on the 1123 01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,280 right I think 1124 01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:10,860 okay, so because because the way I usually get there is I go to I 1125 01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:12,840 go to curio caster and then I'd 1126 01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:17,610 no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no sovereign feeds.com Oh, 1127 01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:21,900 listen. Oh, sovereign feeds is a whole a whole environment. It's 1128 01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:23,100 an operating system. 1129 01:14:23,549 --> 01:14:28,139 Yeah. So sovereign feeds was settings Turn on RSS editor. 1130 01:14:29,129 --> 01:14:32,909 No, no, that's curio caster go to sovereign feeds.com. 1131 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:33,990 Man, 1132 01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:37,380 I felt like I'm just it's this is very disappointing. Actually. 1133 01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:42,090 While you're doing that, Mitch, I'd like to ask you a question. 1134 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:49,410 And I also listened to the Tom Webster pod line interview. And 1135 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,860 within that interview, there was another you know, the discovery 1136 01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:55,500 thing always comes up. This is another millio thing like well, 1137 01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,650 once we get discovery, you know, once we have discovery better 1138 01:14:58,650 --> 01:15:04,860 done, and it appears To me that pod verse, but also fountain FM, 1139 01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:11,670 have invested heavily as in resources in Eclipse is that? 1140 01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,730 For me, the thinking behind that has always been that is a 1141 01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:18,450 discovery mechanism. Is that how you view it? 1142 01:15:18,810 --> 01:15:22,470 Absolutely. I think of that whenever people talk about 1143 01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:28,080 discovery, people are looking for like a magic AI solution 1144 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,630 that's going to just like push their podcast in front of 1145 01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:33,930 people, and that that's going to draw people in. And that's going 1146 01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:37,650 to be the key to their success. But I think the real key is you 1147 01:15:37,650 --> 01:15:41,880 need a really high quality podcast. And you need people to 1148 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:47,520 spread the word for you. There's just such an oversaturation. I 1149 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,130 mean, it's good that there are so many podcasts, but like, 1150 01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:54,060 people don't really listen to podcasts unless somebody tells 1151 01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,240 them or they hear from one podcast recommends another one. 1152 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:03,900 So clip sharing is, I think, the most useful way for, for getting 1153 01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:06,570 introduced to a podcast and potentially getting interested 1154 01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:11,310 in it. So that was actually what pod verse started as. Right, 1155 01:16:11,340 --> 01:16:15,840 right to be a simple podcast clip sharing platform, which is 1156 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,770 now turned into a Cross Platform podcast app that does just about 1157 01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:25,890 everything. It does, yeah. Yeah. But that is the core experience 1158 01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:31,950 that, you know, I was, I got into podcasting, like 2009. I've 1159 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,800 was like, I really liked it. I liked it as an alternative to 1160 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,010 mainstream television media. And the thing that that I wrestled 1161 01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:43,410 with, though I didn't like I couldn't share that with other 1162 01:16:43,410 --> 01:16:48,540 people that like, people could talk about, oh, Game of Thrones 1163 01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:52,320 or Breaking Bad are some shows that everybody watches. But, you 1164 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,670 know, podcasting was like really, like specific to you as 1165 01:16:56,670 --> 01:16:59,400 an individual in which you listened to. So I wanted an easy 1166 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,900 way to share clips, to introduce, you know, maybe I 1167 01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:07,890 hear something funny or enlightening, and I wanted to 1168 01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:12,420 share it with people. So, yeah, I think that that gets under, 1169 01:17:13,290 --> 01:17:16,320 that's just not discussed enough. When people talk about 1170 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,920 discoverability, I feel like you want to create viral content. 1171 01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:23,460 And that's a short clip that people can share everywhere. 1172 01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:28,110 To me. No one has really quite cracked that nut yet. And I'm 1173 01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:36,210 not sure what it is i i love sending myself clips for noon, 1174 01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:39,120 which is really no more than a time code. For me that's a curio 1175 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,260 Castle does that I'm perfectly fine with that. There's, I think 1176 01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:46,200 we're just missing opportunities, like overcast, I 1177 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:51,150 get a lot of overcast chairs. When it comes in the emails, 1178 01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:56,940 it's so there's so much opportunity there to get 1179 01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:01,680 midnight, I don't have iOS, but for for for all of the apps to 1180 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,790 get me to have a different experience than what I'm seeing. 1181 01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:12,000 And not that I can explain it. But have you have you looked at 1182 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,010 because everyone does it a little bit differently? What do 1183 01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:17,760 you think is the perfect model and I agree with you. And that 1184 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,620 may be part of the the millio of the industry is well you know, 1185 01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:25,140 once we have discovery, but we're never gonna have YouTube 1186 01:18:25,140 --> 01:18:27,780 like discovery, it's just that's just not the nature of the 1187 01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:31,920 beast. But there's there's sharing on social media, which 1188 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,380 is one type of sharing, which I think needs a certain type of 1189 01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,250 experience if it's on Twitter or Mastodon or face bag or anywhere 1190 01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:44,970 else. And then there's the person to person through email 1191 01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,180 or you know this, there's different ways you can share. I 1192 01:18:48,180 --> 01:18:52,200 totally agree with the human part. What are we looking at for 1193 01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:57,570 how that's sent? And how that stored how people can go back 1194 01:18:57,570 --> 01:19:00,900 and find more? I mean, that by itself, and I asked you 1195 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,130 specifically because you started out that way. What is What do 1196 01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:07,470 you see the formula? Do you think you've you've got it yet? 1197 01:19:07,470 --> 01:19:10,320 Or is there something some magic ingredients still missing? 1198 01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:14,790 I do think there's a magic ingredient missing. It already 1199 01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:20,430 exists though. It's the podcast sound bite tag. And we so the 1200 01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:26,190 sound bite tag is part of the podcasting. 2.0 spec allows you 1201 01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:30,600 to create clips within your RSS feed. They're just timestamp so 1202 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,880 start time and time and title. And if a podcaster includes it 1203 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,260 in their RSS feed, then every podcast app can just parse out 1204 01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:44,190 that information and do what they want with those clips. Like 1205 01:19:44,190 --> 01:19:49,200 in pod versus case, we look for the sound by tag. If we find it, 1206 01:19:49,230 --> 01:19:54,240 we generate a clip in our system. So podcasters if they 1207 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,220 want to make clips available as far reaching as possible, they 1208 01:19:59,340 --> 01:20:03,870 can put this out On by tagging their RSS feed, and it goes to 1209 01:20:03,870 --> 01:20:07,080 every app, you know, like the ideas they can create in a 1210 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,200 central location instead of, okay, you have to go to pod 1211 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,970 verse and create a clip here, or found create a clip there. Like 1212 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,560 if they do that in the RSS. That is a ticket to being able to 1213 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,550 generate it everywhere. 1214 01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:25,110 The soundbite tag is doesn't have an external file. It's, 1215 01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:26,670 it's in the feed itself. 1216 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,960 That's correct. I mean, that could potentially change if 1217 01:20:31,050 --> 01:20:34,440 the reason why I ask is because all of this stuff, this is my 1218 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:39,480 problem. So if I wanted to generate a sound byte tag, I 1219 01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:43,620 kind of have to do that work before I publish. Otherwise, you 1220 01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:47,910 get into republishing, feeds and you know, all kinds of caching 1221 01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:51,930 and bullcrap that comes along with that. So I would need a to 1222 01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:55,230 have the capability, the capability to actually select 1223 01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:59,040 the clip before I publish, which, you know, time codes and 1224 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,830 everything. There's really no, I have no UI for it. I'm basically 1225 01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:06,030 telling Stephen B what the problem is. But honestly, I'm 1226 01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:10,710 the lazy ass that says, oh, man, can it be either? Or Could I 1227 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,700 could I have Dred Scott do more for me is my question. Really? 1228 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,170 Yes, yes. Well, that's up to him. But 1229 01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:24,420 I give people SATs baby, I don't mess around, I'd like to take 1230 01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:24,990 our money. 1231 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,550 Some other people have kicked around this idea on the Macedon 1232 01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:34,140 that some some way of crowdsourcing clip generation. 1233 01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:39,810 And if if there was an external file, then that might have 1234 01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:42,990 separate permissions from your RSS feed. So you could just put 1235 01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:47,310 a URL in your RSS feed that links to your your soundbite 1236 01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:53,670 list. And maybe you could have your own moderators, that could 1237 01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:58,680 then add clips to that list. And that we read it like normal, it 1238 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,560 would have to be its own standalone service. Right? Well, 1239 01:22:02,010 --> 01:22:03,090 I'd love to complicate. I'd 1240 01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:06,240 love to experiment with the soundbite tag regardless. So 1241 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,970 once I have that capability, I'll do it. I'll figure 1242 01:22:08,970 --> 01:22:12,750 something out. Yeah, because no one no one's producing them. 1243 01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:14,640 There's no tools for it. As far as I know. 1244 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,830 There is. So Buzzsprout has adopted sound bites from the 1245 01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:22,380 beginning, there's just one catch, which is that they don't 1246 01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:28,260 allow setting a title with the clips. Yes. And so they think of 1247 01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:31,590 it more as a preview of an episode. So like, you include 1248 01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:36,630 one preview, I think their UI also generates an audiogram. So 1249 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,010 the the people using the platform, they create a sound 1250 01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:43,830 bite. And then they get an audiogram and think, Oh, I've 1251 01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:46,740 got a clip, what they don't realize is, well, there's 1252 01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:49,710 another level that we can go here, which is you put the title 1253 01:22:49,710 --> 01:22:53,370 in the feed also. And now that clip is generated everywhere. 1254 01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:58,800 Right. I don't know if they have any plans to support something 1255 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,730 like that. But I do think that it's just kind of under the 1256 01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:07,020 radar that this potential with Eclipse is right there. We have 1257 01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,310 the spec already. Maybe we need to add the external file. But 1258 01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:13,200 there's definitely room there. But what 1259 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,080 I like is this is all about getting more people to listen to 1260 01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,910 the podcast and not have more ad inventory available. Because 1261 01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:25,200 people are clicking Oh, let me check this out. Plays ad man 1262 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,960 don't like it. Next one plays ad don't like it. Because that's 1263 01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,290 just not the way people find podcasts as far as I'm 1264 01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:31,890 concerned. 1265 01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:36,450 Yeah, exactly. It's hard to get on people's radar. And also, you 1266 01:23:36,450 --> 01:23:40,530 know, man, I'm subscribed to like 200 podcasts. I can't keep 1267 01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:45,360 up with it all. Yeah, it's just a firehose. Yeah. And I hope 1268 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,910 that there'll be a day where there's just such a, there's so 1269 01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:52,020 many clips being generated in a open standard way that I could 1270 01:23:52,020 --> 01:23:55,890 get, like, highlights from the shows, I do want to listen to, 1271 01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:59,010 but I can't keep up with, you know, that would be really cool. 1272 01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,100 Otherwise, I just fall in those same patterns that like same 1273 01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,250 five podcasts I normally listen to, but there's a lot more than 1274 01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:07,890 I'm interested in. I just can't keep up with it all. 1275 01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:13,320 Do you have any visibility in like any kind of telemetry or 1276 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,720 metrics or anything that tells you which features of the app 1277 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,960 get are used and not used? and in what quantities? 1278 01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:25,320 Not really, I'm bad at prioritizing that sort of thing. 1279 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,750 The only join a club? 1280 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,810 I mean, I find it interesting. It just it just hasn't yet 1281 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,140 happened yet. We do have some tracking in terms of we count, 1282 01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:42,630 page view counts if people opt into tracking and that we use as 1283 01:24:42,630 --> 01:24:48,060 part of our sorting algorithm of popularity. It's a extremely 1284 01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,960 flawed system does not necessarily reflect reality, but 1285 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,560 it gives us some indication for some podcasts at least of what 1286 01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:59,760 what is getting shared the most. But in terms of the feature use 1287 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,750 I pretty much just based on what people email us about and 1288 01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:05,250 contact us. 1289 01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:10,620 Does it help? How is the how's the the Translate language 1290 01:25:10,620 --> 01:25:14,160 translation stuff going? I know you're pushing that hard for a 1291 01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,380 while is that didn't you crowdsource that, 1292 01:25:16,860 --> 01:25:22,650 yet translations is going good, I have not given enough time to 1293 01:25:22,650 --> 01:25:25,920 the community that's helping with that. There's this service 1294 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,880 called Web late. I think web blade.org. And somebody reached 1295 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,930 out to us a while ago, just saying that they, you know, hey, 1296 01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:37,920 you should set up with this website. And it makes it really 1297 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:44,670 easy for people to you give them like your master list of text. 1298 01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,240 So like, we have one JSON file that has all of our texts, and 1299 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,150 that's our English, that's a root file. And then people can 1300 01:25:51,150 --> 01:25:55,260 just jump in and translate that into any language, and it 1301 01:25:55,260 --> 01:26:01,470 automatically creates PRs to are Oh, wow, oh, that's cool. It's 1302 01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,970 really cool. I did not know it existed. And I need to give it 1303 01:26:05,970 --> 01:26:08,310 more attention, because I'm not talking to these people 1304 01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:12,000 directly, very much. And they're doing this great work. But it's, 1305 01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:14,760 it's a really powerful tool, especially if you have an open 1306 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,150 source project, I recommend everybody get set up with it. 1307 01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:22,680 If so, how does that this year, just you have a master list of 1308 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,680 text strings, and you just pull from that list when you compile? 1309 01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:31,830 Right? Well, I mean, we have cores at runtime. We have I 18. 1310 01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:35,760 N. We have an internationalization setup, it's 1311 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,380 just a little helper function that checks what the device is 1312 01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:45,360 language is currently in. And if we have that language code 1313 01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:53,400 available, like we have French, German, Norwegian, we have like 1314 01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:59,760 six languages. Currently, yeah, it just, it just flips the 1315 01:26:59,790 --> 01:27:03,120 definitions for depending on the language that 1316 01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:05,760 you're in, how many strings how many strings are there? I mean, 1317 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,550 like, what how big of a translation project? Is it to? 1318 01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:11,850 Like, let's just say it was a comic strip blogger wanted to go 1319 01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:14,520 and translate it to polish? I mean, would that take him two 1320 01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,470 days? Or would it take him an hour and a half? 1321 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,320 Well, the beautiful thing is, you could just do partial 1322 01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,560 incremental, you don't have to go through and do the whole 1323 01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,780 thing, you just go line by line, you know, and translate those 1324 01:27:27,780 --> 01:27:31,980 lines into whatever language you want. And, you know, you don't 1325 01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:35,400 have to be the person that does the whole thing. So I think we 1326 01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,310 have like 1000 strings, it's quite a lot. And actually, part 1327 01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:40,890 of why we have so many is because we added screen reader 1328 01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:45,450 accessibility about six months ago. And that's actually a 1329 01:27:45,450 --> 01:27:49,530 feature I'd like to highlight more. Because, you know, we 1330 01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:52,050 invested a lot of time to make it screenreader accessible. I 1331 01:27:52,050 --> 01:27:56,010 got an email last year from somebody saying that they heard 1332 01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:59,310 about pod verse through podcasts in 2.0. And they were really 1333 01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:02,280 excited to try it. And then they opened the app, and it just did 1334 01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,540 nothing. And it turned out we were not accessible at all. It 1335 01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:07,980 just was a dead app. 1336 01:28:08,190 --> 01:28:11,400 I know you well enough to know that stuff like that just gets 1337 01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,390 in you your curl and you. Yeah, yeah, that drives you crazy. 1338 01:28:16,230 --> 01:28:20,100 Yeah, yeah, I just feels like I'm not doing, you know the 1339 01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:24,180 basics of what should be done. But so I hope that the 1340 01:28:24,180 --> 01:28:27,450 experience is good now for screen reader accessibility. And 1341 01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:31,680 I'd love to get more feedback. If you or anybody you know, uses 1342 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,500 a screen reader. I'd love to get feedback. We've got it on the 1343 01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:37,710 website, and the mobile app for the five 1344 01:28:37,710 --> 01:28:41,280 blind guys podcast with three blind guys podcast. I'll ping 1345 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,310 him. I've been on their show. They're okay. Yeah, they're the 1346 01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:44,880 real deal. 1347 01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:46,800 That'd be great. 1348 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,180 So they're podcasters and podcast users. Perfect, shall we 1349 01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:54,330 thank a few people for our value for value proposition which I've 1350 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,750 been explaining to debit card Danny who will be joining the 1351 01:28:57,750 --> 01:29:06,180 team debit card. Danny is a overqualified CPA who was who 1352 01:29:06,180 --> 01:29:11,790 was helping us with our tax filings and our books and he's 1353 01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:15,330 no agenda guy and he's really excited about what we're doing 1354 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,840 and he's getting up to speed and so I was explaining value for 1355 01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,510 value because he kept saying well okay so your sales no stop 1356 01:29:22,380 --> 01:29:27,000 no sales but but that's that's in in in IRS speak it comes into 1357 01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:31,620 it. Just say it's easy to say sales okay. But anyway, value 1358 01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:34,500 for value was is something that I've I've actually been writing 1359 01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:39,510 quite a bit yesterday, two days ago. in Teaneck, Festo. Yeah, 1360 01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:42,900 Tina came home like that. What do you do to my emails? Now I'm 1361 01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:46,950 gonna show prep and I've been writing, writing, writing. 1362 01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:50,970 Right, I'm the right I'm The Linguist here be writing your 1363 01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:57,720 podcasts. So I've gotten pretty far and it's kind of fun to to 1364 01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,330 build the story and then also make it you know, Quick so you 1365 01:30:00,330 --> 01:30:02,610 can get in understand something or if you really want to delve 1366 01:30:02,610 --> 01:30:05,460 deeper into it and learn more of the history because it really is 1367 01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:08,790 more than just, you know, it's not just content monetization, 1368 01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:13,020 it's a programming format it's a lifestyle to a degree. And and 1369 01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,630 what we're doing here I would say is kind of the lifestyle 1370 01:30:15,810 --> 01:30:18,840 because this project is completely supported by the 1371 01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,480 people who want to support it, and the value they get out of it 1372 01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:24,630 they put into it. That's the beauty of it so you can 1373 01:30:24,630 --> 01:30:28,020 determine exactly how much you find this you think the podcast 1374 01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:30,180 is worth but really the whole project because it funds 1375 01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:33,750 everything. 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We have 5000 SATs from the NA millennial Adam unblock me on 1409 01:32:36,660 --> 01:32:41,250 Twitter. I wonder why I blocked you on Twitter. I will I will 1410 01:32:41,250 --> 01:32:41,880 check that 1411 01:32:42,180 --> 01:32:43,680 they deserved it. No doubt. 1412 01:32:44,190 --> 01:32:47,490 Well, I think five SATs is not really doesn't really unlock the 1413 01:32:47,490 --> 01:32:49,170 Twitter achievement but okay. 1414 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,190 That's that's a minimum of 20,000. 1415 01:32:54,090 --> 01:32:57,870 See, Brooklyn. 112 came in on the chat room and he says oh, I 1416 01:32:57,870 --> 01:33:00,360 just snuck in. I'm late for the board meeting and I said Hey, 1417 01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,540 where's your hall pass and he sent 2000 SATs with my hall pass 1418 01:33:03,540 --> 01:33:09,840 Thank you very much. 500 from span proof at feat feast Nope. 1419 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,980 Secret ingredient is oh I'm sorry. That's for no agenda. 1420 01:33:15,420 --> 01:33:23,130 That mix on my thing here. Hard Hat with 22 2222 22,222 sets of 1421 01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:29,970 massive row of ducks. Thank you very much. See Mike 2222 Running 1422 01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:33,270 with Scissors and putting our ifex individual first aid kits 1423 01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:39,450 to good use today. Merch idea. Take notes, a podcasting 2.0 1424 01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:44,970 First aid kit. It has a it has a better Alright. Alright. Podcast 1425 01:33:44,970 --> 01:33:49,380 index shot pay attention. It has a backup USB mic dongles 1426 01:33:49,410 --> 01:33:52,980 adapters and an ask me about my podcast button to put on your 1427 01:33:52,980 --> 01:34:00,300 shirt. Yes, beautiful. Sounds about right. Chad Pharaoh got us 1428 01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:03,750 going about an hour ago with We'll do it live and 10,000 SATs 1429 01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:10,350 on the booster gram. lavish 6666 Pew pew we got shipped. 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And that is our live boosts with the last one coming 1440 01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:54,270 in. Oh, sneaking in trying trying to get the there he is 1441 01:34:54,270 --> 01:34:57,480 ladies and gentlemen, Dred Scott boosting it live looking forward 1442 01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:02,910 to fun fact Friday's 100th episode next week. 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I can't wait to see 1469 01:36:53,609 --> 01:36:56,159 what the future brings and that was boosted through fountain 1470 01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:02,069 Thank you Brenda 19 122 sets from Kira and our buddy mere 1471 01:37:02,069 --> 01:37:08,129 mortals podcast. It says I think Theodore Dusty eskie can give 1472 01:37:08,129 --> 01:37:11,189 Mr. Solzhenitsyn a run for his money in the near in the near 1473 01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:15,179 the unspoiled names department, the Russians, the Russians 1474 01:37:15,179 --> 01:37:19,439 strike again through the Gulag Archipelago is an amazing book 1475 01:37:19,469 --> 01:37:22,139 by the way. Horrifying and emotionally draining but still 1476 01:37:22,139 --> 01:37:22,769 fantastic. 1477 01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:27,540 That was tiring that was tiring. Yeah, carbonation. Man. 1478 01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:32,580 Shout out to Myhrvold mere mortals who is been a huge like 1479 01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,150 promoter of podcasts and 2.0 and also the sleek podcast which is 1480 01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:38,340 what's brand Knossos guys, 1481 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:43,020 those guys, okay, do tons of videos. screengrabs is 1482 01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:45,900 fantastic. I love retweeting among Twitter. 1483 01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:49,440 Mitch, I thought you were about to say shout out to a feed or 1484 01:37:49,440 --> 01:38:01,230 Dostoyevsky. Musa, by the way, one, Karen's partner in crime is 1485 01:38:01,260 --> 01:38:04,500 he's up there in I think, Minneapolis. So that's sort of 1486 01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:11,640 close to you. Mitch, close in quotes. Cool. Satoshi stream 1487 01:38:11,670 --> 01:38:15,600 sent us 5552 SATs through fountain and he says, Why you 1488 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,460 say a lot when fountain works so nicely. Smiley face is true. But 1489 01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:25,740 CLS fun. Everybody wants this command line. Yes. And Roy 1490 01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:31,590 scheinfeld. The Wizard of Tel Aviv, he says, he says 1491 01:38:31,860 --> 01:38:37,980 54321 54,321 says through breeze and he says, quote, I also don't 1492 01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:44,070 want crypto I want Bitcoin. ADAM You rock. That must be an atom 1493 01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:46,230 quote. I guess. I guess. 1494 01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:49,620 I guess Thank you. Thank you, Roy. Yeah, thanks, buddy. the 1495 01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:56,460 only the only industry player that supports me big industry 1496 01:38:56,460 --> 01:38:56,910 player. 1497 01:38:58,350 --> 01:39:00,450 Yep. Roy is a treasure man. He really 1498 01:39:00,990 --> 01:39:04,620 is. I can't wait to visit him yet. 1499 01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,790 Do you have that scheduled or he's gonna just talk in general 1500 01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:15,210 is Israel is on our radar. We definitely want to go there. I 1501 01:39:15,210 --> 01:39:19,170 mean, you and Tina. Yeah, we we really we still love to do Japan 1502 01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:23,670 but Japan and one anybody. Stay away. Stay away. You 1503 01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:27,720 can lay bare you ready? Sit down, you guys. 1504 01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:30,300 I'm sitting down. I'm ready. What's up? Okay, all right. 1505 01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:34,230 100,000 SATs Oh, podcast. 1506 01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:39,060 Shot call off 20 blades on the hem ball. 1507 01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,080 Boost. A says the intergalactic boombox podcast isn't just 1508 01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,380 standing there. It's boosting. And I'm a firm believer in value 1509 01:39:46,380 --> 01:39:48,780 for value, especially with the immense enjoyment I get from 1510 01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:54,930 Dave's paper. crinkling ASMR You're welcome. Yes, thank you, 1511 01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:59,580 Carl. Yeah, me and Carl the exchanged some emails this week. 1512 01:39:59,580 --> 01:40:05,250 He's Such a good guy. Todd from Northern Virginia. All right 1513 01:40:05,250 --> 01:40:10,410 says he sent us 11,100 And Levinson sat through breeze and 1514 01:40:10,410 --> 01:40:12,810 he says cheers. Can I get a divorce IQ boost? 1515 01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:15,330 Oh yes of course boost boost boost 1516 01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:24,510 gasp Casper eland through fountain 3690 SATs and he says 1517 01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:29,610 thanks for the work. Thank you guys. Oh, here we go. How you 1518 01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:34,770 doing Chris here. Chris Fisher says 3333 sets to found and he 1519 01:40:34,770 --> 01:40:38,640 says we need a podcast or push for podcasting 2.0 apps. I 1520 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,190 initially had a lot of modern audience try out the new app, 1521 01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:43,860 but I suspect many of them have switched back to their old app 1522 01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:49,080 UI boost, in part because we're the only podcast in the Linux 1523 01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,400 world preaching the good 2.0 word. We need more advocacy of 1524 01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,370 the full 2.0 feature set. And why all that matters for the 1525 01:40:56,370 --> 01:41:00,030 competitive future of podcasting from the podcasters themselves 1526 01:41:00,300 --> 01:41:02,700 where they lead the audience will follow. Well, that's you've 1527 01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:04,650 been preaching that forever, madam. Whoosh. 1528 01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,790 Yes, that's the only way it works. And when you do, then it 1529 01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:12,300 works. I mean, look at this. Look at this podcast. It's 1530 01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:18,300 working. Now the real trial is carrying the keeper. Because you 1531 01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:20,970 know, people like let me just send you pay, pal? Nope. Let me 1532 01:41:20,970 --> 01:41:23,940 just say your cash Nope. We won't move not accepted. But we 1533 01:41:23,940 --> 01:41:26,970 really want to support you got to go through the steps. It's 1534 01:41:26,970 --> 01:41:34,200 been painful. These are just plain old people who don't 1535 01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:38,610 really even use a podcast app typically. And they hear us 1536 01:41:38,610 --> 01:41:41,670 talking about it. In the end. They're trying so hard. It's 1537 01:41:41,670 --> 01:41:46,980 beautiful to watch. But, man, it's hard. It's really it's hard 1538 01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:49,890 to get people so I do we just keep pushing and people get 1539 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,770 people do it. They get through eventually they do. And they're 1540 01:41:52,770 --> 01:41:55,560 really proud when they do and I hope that they then also check 1541 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,470 out other you know, it was really beautiful. Last night 1542 01:41:58,470 --> 01:42:04,440 there was was it on Fox, I actually fall asleep almost 1543 01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:07,290 every single time during Tucker Carlson. I wasn't want to watch 1544 01:42:07,290 --> 01:42:10,710 because he takes our material. I want to see what he liked. And 1545 01:42:10,740 --> 01:42:15,900 it's true that he's produces fine. And so and I fall asleep. 1546 01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:19,890 Patina says Oh, did you see Did you hear anything about the 1547 01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:24,780 woman was talking about Bitcoin to know. So there was a I forget 1548 01:42:24,780 --> 01:42:29,670 her name Natalie something. And she has a podcast that she was 1549 01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:32,700 talking because normally Brunel is that yes, Natalie Brunel. 1550 01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:37,740 Exactly. And so the answer to talk about Bitcoin being 1551 01:42:37,740 --> 01:42:40,110 separate from crypto, and Tina said, yeah, you would have 1552 01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:43,020 really liked that. And sort of what was named Tina didn't know 1553 01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:47,040 so I looked it up as a podcast. So I use the few things I have 1554 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,270 and out and Natalie coin stories, pop it up on curio 1555 01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:54,930 cache, or boom value value for value enabled, right there. And 1556 01:42:54,930 --> 01:42:58,260 I say, oh, that's and of course I send a boost to grandma. I 1557 01:42:58,260 --> 01:43:01,470 don't know if what she's hooked into she gets those messages at 1558 01:43:01,470 --> 01:43:06,270 all. That's really the when the podcasters. That's the missing 1559 01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:09,450 part. So it's not just tell people how to do it what happens 1560 01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:12,330 and then Tina and I have seen this on Korean Zookeeper. We're 1561 01:43:12,330 --> 01:43:15,240 reading booster grams and people like I want to be read on the 1562 01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,990 booster gram, we got to send a booster gram. So that's the 1563 01:43:18,990 --> 01:43:23,070 piece until the podcaster either is looking at it in well now of 1564 01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:27,060 course we have fountain we have sovereign feeds with you can 1565 01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:30,240 read that we have heli pad, obviously we have Satoshi 1566 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:34,470 streams, until the podcaster can see that and implemented into 1567 01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:39,330 the programming into the podcast itself. You don't get that level 1568 01:43:39,330 --> 01:43:42,630 of adoption. That's what drives it. That's what makes it work. 1569 01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:46,350 And that's just my experience. Don't be known for long time. 1570 01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:51,000 Mentioned the amount mentioned the short message. That's it 1571 01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:54,330 and take it from you because you're literally writing the 1572 01:43:54,330 --> 01:43:55,920 book. I'm literally 1573 01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,280 writing the book. I've been living the life for more than 14 1574 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:03,510 years. No other income sporadic but really no other income than 1575 01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:05,790 no agenda from value for value. 1576 01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,900 Would you say that that's where it always falls down? Is it when 1577 01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:13,380 it falls down? It always falls down right there where the where 1578 01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:17,280 the podcaster does not read the feedback back into the show. 1579 01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:17,610 It's 1580 01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,720 then it doesn't work. Yeah, it's not just falling down. It just 1581 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:23,550 it never lifts off. It's just a 1582 01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:26,550 critical piece that gets if it's not there. It just doesn't 1583 01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:27,120 function. 1584 01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:31,500 I mean, and if you don't do it, then it just dries up. It stops. 1585 01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:36,360 Yeah, and it really is key that you have that segment in there. 1586 01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:47,760 Well, exemplified by Muppet 1856 You sent us 177,600 1587 01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:03,690 Did you just fall under your 1588 01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:06,210 iron thermometer? Come on, man, I'm 1589 01:45:06,210 --> 01:45:07,950 too tight for this market. That was awesome. 1590 01:45:11,849 --> 01:45:14,519 That was through cast ematic. And what's funny to me about 1591 01:45:14,519 --> 01:45:17,999 these donations that go that big, is you look on like, I know 1592 01:45:17,999 --> 01:45:21,149 for a fact that Casta Matic won't let you won't let you load 1593 01:45:21,149 --> 01:45:26,009 up more than 50,000 SATs and a go. So he had to load up 1594 01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:30,209 multiple rounds in order to get high enough. Wow. And that one 1595 01:45:30,209 --> 01:45:33,929 boost, and then you hope that the podcast you're sending to as 1596 01:45:33,929 --> 01:45:36,149 a channel This at least big enough to answer 1597 01:45:36,209 --> 01:45:39,449 that too. Yeah. So who? Who sent this again? I'm sorry, I 1598 01:45:39,449 --> 01:45:41,339 completely didn't hear who sent it. 1599 01:45:41,429 --> 01:45:45,779 Yeah, this is my this is my that was 12 jingles ago. Yes. muppet. 1600 01:45:45,779 --> 01:45:50,939 1856 He's on the on. Yeah. 1601 01:45:51,299 --> 01:45:52,889 Cool, man. Thank you. 1602 01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,730 He says Sir, Sir Geoffrey Zellen supporting you with a freedom 1603 01:45:56,730 --> 01:45:57,810 baller. Boost. 1604 01:45:58,530 --> 01:46:02,730 Freedom baller boost. Very, very cool, man. Thank you, Jeffrey. 1605 01:46:02,730 --> 01:46:03,120 Thank you. 1606 01:46:03,629 --> 01:46:08,849 Bucha thank you so much. Lyceum sent us 50,000 SATs through 1607 01:46:08,849 --> 01:46:13,229 fountain. He says thanks for shout out. I will mention your 1608 01:46:13,229 --> 01:46:18,089 show in the upcoming episode 126 of ego net cast. Do I don't know 1609 01:46:18,089 --> 01:46:18,809 that show? Neither 1610 01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:20,340 do I. Okay, thank you. 1611 01:46:21,810 --> 01:46:25,740 Do you have a list of Satoshi special numbers eg 1776 Liberty 1612 01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:29,850 boost commemorating the founding fathers to two to two ducks. 1613 01:46:30,090 --> 01:46:34,860 ducks in a row boost for 20 High five for the hint boost. As 1614 01:46:34,860 --> 01:46:38,010 Martin Linda Skog and yeah, that's that's on there's a repo 1615 01:46:38,010 --> 01:46:38,580 for that. 1616 01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:44,460 Yeah. Is the striper boost in there. He shouldn't be missing 1617 01:46:44,490 --> 01:46:46,560 there's a repo for that. Yeah, 1618 01:46:46,830 --> 01:46:51,000 so I don't know where it is called. I wonder if it's in the 1619 01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,050 boost bait repo 1620 01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,870 booster gram. Repo GitHub. 1621 01:46:58,140 --> 01:47:00,420 I don't know where to look for it our recent boost Yeah, at Sur 1622 01:47:00,420 --> 01:47:05,940 Doug Sn is 4400 SATs and he says V four v keep it up. Thank you 1623 01:47:05,940 --> 01:47:06,510 sir. Good. 1624 01:47:06,990 --> 01:47:10,350 Thank you very much, sir. Here's here it is. I have it here. 1625 01:47:10,410 --> 01:47:11,190 Do you find it? Yeah, I'm 1626 01:47:11,190 --> 01:47:16,170 going to put this in the in the show notes. 200 you want to hear 1627 01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:20,610 these? Wait, wait, let me see if the service so 7777 is not in 1628 01:47:20,610 --> 01:47:24,600 there. That's a striper boost. Because that's religious members 1629 01:47:24,630 --> 01:47:27,600 it's religious numbers right the perfect numbers perfect number 1630 01:47:27,690 --> 01:47:32,340 Yeah. Oh my goodness. There's there's a whole bunch here. But 1631 01:47:32,340 --> 01:47:39,060 the Jenny booths like the Jenny boost is my favorite 8675309 1632 01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:47,610 Macintosh and it's 500 SATs and he says sweet episode this week 1633 01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:51,360 grit. Great interview with Oscar. Thanks for all you to do 1634 01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:52,230 go podcasting. 1635 01:47:52,890 --> 01:47:54,000 Podcasting. Thank you 1636 01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:04,500 see floydian slips love that name. Gave us 3456 sets and he 1637 01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:07,770 says I would like to welcome you to listen to my podcast, cooking 1638 01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:08,580 with AI Wait, 1639 01:48:08,610 --> 01:48:09,540 no. 1640 01:48:11,550 --> 01:48:15,180 Comics your blogger here. Different app or something? 1641 01:48:15,330 --> 01:48:18,630 No, this he's doing it backwards cooking with AI instead of a 1642 01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:20,790 cookie. Wait. Oh, I 1643 01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:22,980 see. Okay, this is a joke. I like it. 1644 01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:26,040 It's called podcasting for value one idiots attempt to start a 1645 01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:31,320 value for value podcast. Thank you. We just solved the 1646 01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:36,210 discovery problem with the boost segment. Two Yes, absolutely. 1647 01:48:36,210 --> 01:48:37,470 This is a huge win. 1648 01:48:37,530 --> 01:48:42,600 Of course we we've had three so far that you can listen to Sir 1649 01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,800 Shanna the Allegheny Valley aka Sean McCune through cast ematic 1650 01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:51,690 since 1000 says sisters censorship resistant boosts 1651 01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:59,640 boost boost boost. Boost boost. Let's see is that coming 1652 01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:06,900 straight blogger came in. Twice. So I'll flip that one to the 1653 01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:10,110 end. Martin from pot friend Hey, Martin 1654 01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:10,620 fast. 1655 01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:15,750 Mr. Martin 4444 SAS and he says I love seeing all the 1656 01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:18,810 advancements people are doing the 2.0 space. Let's give all 1657 01:49:18,810 --> 01:49:20,640 the people in the trenches a big applause 1658 01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:28,620 right thanks, Martin. How's it going, man, we want to know how 1659 01:49:28,620 --> 01:49:32,130 you doing? How's How's the family? How's the house? Yeah. 1660 01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,860 How's the how's the gaming he wasn't doing gaming stuff? 1661 01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,280 Yeah, he's written an old school a big gamer. He shows up on the 1662 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,250 in the dev meetings quite often. Close get to catch her within 1663 01:49:41,250 --> 01:49:48,750 there is a we got a cape since 1033 SATs and he says fountain 1664 01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:49,260 boost. 1665 01:49:49,290 --> 01:49:52,740 Thank you very much. Boost. 1666 01:49:54,570 --> 01:49:58,470 Let's see. Karen is back again with mer motors podcast nice and 1667 01:49:58,470 --> 01:50:03,300 as 1223 sets And he says Adam with regards to your V four v 1668 01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:06,960 manifesto and people wanting to know more the first season of 1669 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,300 the value for value podcast covered most of the philosophy 1670 01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:12,690 behind what you've created. I've also just now started a second 1671 01:50:12,690 --> 01:50:15,690 season where I'll highlight clips from other value for value 1672 01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:16,920 podcasts This is a great idea 1673 01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:20,760 because you already had this exists I think so I think he 1674 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:25,290 just launched it's called the value for value podcast. He had 1675 01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:28,740 he had a first season that he just had a few episodes I think 1676 01:50:28,740 --> 01:50:32,280 and he gave up on it and I think he's coming back with a 1677 01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,010 different format where he's playing clips from other value 1678 01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:37,200 via with other visa vie shows 1679 01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:40,590 is it could titled value for podcasting value for value is 1680 01:50:40,590 --> 01:50:41,340 that what is titled 1681 01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:45,480 I think it's just called Value space for fo our space value 1682 01:50:45,570 --> 01:50:49,860 value for our Why have I not been interviewed on this 1683 01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:50,550 podcast? 1684 01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:53,400 I don't know. Just 1685 01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:58,110 got back in action baby. He says okay, subscribed. 1686 01:51:01,230 --> 01:51:03,720 And I showcase how different people are implementing the 1687 01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,140 model send a boost to that show or the mere mortals if you want 1688 01:51:07,140 --> 01:51:12,240 a feature. I just think this is great. That great coolness 1689 01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:17,760 format Yeah, it's cross is cross podcast promotion with that. 1690 01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,990 What always gets me though, I must be subscribed to this 1691 01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:26,190 because I had this problem with curio caster. It's like, like, 1692 01:51:26,190 --> 01:51:29,310 where's the subscribe button? Oh, here it is. Boom. Okay, 1693 01:51:29,610 --> 01:51:34,860 boom. That big blue button. Yeah. Okay. Subscribe. Cool. 1694 01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:35,700 Thanks. 1695 01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:41,190 Here comes through blogger. There is a limiter there is 1033 1696 01:51:41,190 --> 01:51:46,560 sets he's up to because of inflation. Batty, Dave and AC. 1697 01:51:46,620 --> 01:51:49,890 Are you ready for the Eurovision? 2022 final tomorrow. 1698 01:51:49,919 --> 01:51:51,659 Oh man, am I ever 1699 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,040 Russia is banned. So as much less fun. Well, thank you for 1700 01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,620 your service to podcasting in your audience as invited to 1701 01:51:58,620 --> 01:52:01,020 listen to your pod to our podcast about artificial 1702 01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:04,170 intelligence. Oh, really? Read read is if you heard of this 1703 01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:08,760 book at the time. Gregory Well, it's read is read by Gregory 1704 01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,340 William Forsythe Foreman from Kent. Oh, that's the guy who has 1705 01:52:11,340 --> 01:52:16,860 some pubs? Yeah, and the guy on nogen social.com. at GW FF Yeah. 1706 01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:20,610 GDSN just enter AI dot cooking in your web browser or in 1707 01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:23,820 podcasting. 1.0 or in podcasting. 2.0 app. Yo, 1708 01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:28,020 yo, yo. Thank you very much. CSB. 1709 01:52:28,410 --> 01:52:34,380 Appreciate the monthly donors. Okay, dynamite. Have you heard 1710 01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:37,410 of this app? Pod verse. 1711 01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:39,990 I have heard of pod verse. It's it's pretty good. 1712 01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:41,490 It is pretty good. 1713 01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:42,600 All right. 1714 01:52:47,610 --> 01:52:48,900 Oh, right. 1715 01:52:48,930 --> 01:52:50,790 Nice. Thank you, Mitch, 1716 01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:55,140 in coming in. I mean, coming in tight. close on the heels. 1717 01:52:55,140 --> 01:52:57,990 There's another guy named Mitch down. He was $10 a month. And 1718 01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:59,850 who's this guy? This is so 1719 01:52:59,850 --> 01:53:02,340 nice. That's my personal donation. 1720 01:53:02,370 --> 01:53:06,000 And thank you, ma'am. Yeah, so let's really appreciate Mitch, 1721 01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:06,210 thank 1722 01:53:06,210 --> 01:53:09,150 you. I'm not trying to double dip here with the two shoutouts. 1723 01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:12,540 No, condense it into a $60 donation? 1724 01:53:12,780 --> 01:53:14,100 No, no, no, don't do that. Thank 1725 01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:14,850 you very much. 1726 01:53:16,050 --> 01:53:21,030 Alice gates $25 to the gas consultant. Thank you, sir. 1727 01:53:22,260 --> 01:53:26,040 highlighted today because of the great work with a live item and 1728 01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,690 pod paying on pot for and 1729 01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,990 future live stream of the board meeting at least from this part 1730 01:53:30,990 --> 01:53:34,170 with the no agenda tube? I hope. 1731 01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,160 Yes. These types. These these. Monica when we call Alex, the 1732 01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,570 podcast consultant. We're not kidding. We mean it literally is 1733 01:53:42,570 --> 01:53:47,760 the podcast continues. Podcasting 2.0 consultant, David 1734 01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,400 Norman. It's good to see David back. He's popping in and out 1735 01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,380 now. Yeah, I still haven't 1736 01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:55,830 seen his new studio back end. I think drivers using it and if 1737 01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:58,320 they're trouble if they're debugging and stuff, but I'm 1738 01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,220 excited about it. 1739 01:54:00,060 --> 01:54:04,350 $25 Thank you, Dave hybrid catcher.com Lauren ballgames. 1740 01:54:04,350 --> 01:54:07,830 $24.20 Thank you, Lauren. Thanks, Lauren. always 1741 01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:09,990 appreciated. Paul Saltzman 1742 01:54:11,250 --> 01:54:12,240 22 Yep. 1743 01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:18,630 No ducks. Thank you, Paul. Derek J Vickery. Great name $21 Thank 1744 01:54:18,630 --> 01:54:24,330 you. Darren Carrick. Damon Castle Jack $15 Jeremy 1745 01:54:24,330 --> 01:54:31,710 Kavanaugh. $10 Christopher hora, Barack $10 Sir Soren molar $5 1746 01:54:31,710 --> 01:54:35,490 Terry killer $5 Jeffrey, Retford, $5 and CRISPR cow and 1747 01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:37,020 $5. That's our group. 1748 01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,390 Thank you all so much, particularly these monthlies is 1749 01:54:39,390 --> 01:54:42,780 highly appreciated, really is. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 1750 01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,520 You can also consider using the command line boost, put it on, 1751 01:54:48,150 --> 01:54:52,020 put it on a cron job that works for us to pay pal may be easier 1752 01:54:52,020 --> 01:54:55,380 for you. Thank you all for supporting the project for 1753 01:54:55,380 --> 01:54:58,920 supporting the show and making us feel like it all makes sense 1754 01:54:58,950 --> 01:55:04,110 and it does And so with that, I'm going to immediately touch 1755 01:55:04,110 --> 01:55:08,790 the third rail. Oh, how you doing with fixing that capture 1756 01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:14,490 Dave? It is done. It is a works. Oh man, you just gotta give me 1757 01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:18,990 just gotta give me the bottom line. I'm what that was, like 1758 01:55:18,990 --> 01:55:22,320 that was broken for days. That's not a Dave Jones type thing when 1759 01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,330 it's broken for days what happened? 1760 01:55:24,570 --> 01:55:27,390 Okay, Mitch, you're going to, I don't know, if you're going to 1761 01:55:27,390 --> 01:55:29,850 commiserate with me, or if you're just going to think I'm 1762 01:55:29,850 --> 01:55:37,890 an idiot, but maybe a little both the. So I just know nothing 1763 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:45,570 about Webpack in and like in React and I literally don't know 1764 01:55:45,570 --> 01:55:51,360 what I'm doing at all. I know node, I'm comfortable with Node 1765 01:55:52,170 --> 01:55:55,320 Webpack is always been a complete mystery to me, it's 1766 01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:58,710 like, you run a command. And then a bunch of magic happens 1767 01:55:58,710 --> 01:56:03,810 and this stuff just works. And so then what Steven crater had 1768 01:56:03,810 --> 01:56:09,240 done. And, and I'm so thankful for, for his work on that he had 1769 01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,960 gotten in and just cleaned up a lot of stuff on the site and put 1770 01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:19,800 in, he had built the AD AD feed page. So where people could sell 1771 01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,770 service, add their feed to the index, and he had a CAPTCHA on 1772 01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:27,900 it, you know, sort of a protection. So the CAPTCHA needs 1773 01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:31,440 a site key, which is like a big Gu ID and it's unique for each 1774 01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:32,850 site that you put the CAPTCHA on, 1775 01:56:32,879 --> 01:56:35,969 so that you can train the AI with all your stupid CAPTCHA 1776 01:56:35,969 --> 01:56:36,419 class. 1777 01:56:37,140 --> 01:56:42,600 Yeah, and so the, the site key, you don't really want to hard 1778 01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:47,760 code that into the, you know, into the page, you really want 1779 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,370 that to be a separate value, because if somebody, if you're 1780 01:56:50,370 --> 01:56:52,320 going to run it, somebody else is going to download the code 1781 01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,660 and run it, they want a different psyche, you don't want 1782 01:56:54,660 --> 01:56:57,210 to happen, because the end and also then where every time you 1783 01:56:57,210 --> 01:57:03,330 do a code update, or do a git pull it overwrites with yours 1784 01:57:03,330 --> 01:57:05,970 your stuff anyway, you want that value to be to live somewhere 1785 01:57:05,970 --> 01:57:09,750 else. And it will be great if it lived in the dot E and V file 1786 01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:12,060 with all the with all the rest of the environment variables. 1787 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:13,380 That's where I like it. 1788 01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:15,120 Right in the end, 1789 01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:18,420 to get right in the end, is 1790 01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:26,820 right up in there. So we put the, put it in there. And then 1791 01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:30,810 I'm expecting it to just to be able to just reference it with 1792 01:57:30,930 --> 01:57:35,490 with the process dot E and V dot, the variable name or the 1793 01:57:35,490 --> 01:57:40,830 constant name. And it just No, it just doesn't, it doesn't 1794 01:57:40,830 --> 01:57:48,480 work. Well, then you and Steven B. Both told me on the on the 1795 01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:52,260 mastodon that we should be it should be using like Dotty and v 1796 01:57:52,290 --> 01:57:56,220 dot v and v and NPM package. And that's supposed to like expose 1797 01:57:56,820 --> 01:58:00,480 these variables into your process dot E and V when they're 1798 01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:05,310 normally not there. This is all like, this is all like a 1799 01:58:05,310 --> 01:58:07,140 different language to me. I mean, it's like you're just 1800 01:58:07,140 --> 01:58:10,650 speaking in Russian because I don't understand even what the 1801 01:58:10,650 --> 01:58:13,650 difference is between what's going on with node and Webpack. 1802 01:58:13,650 --> 01:58:15,780 And everything. This is 1803 01:58:15,780 --> 01:58:18,930 some of the trickiest parts of React anything that involves web 1804 01:58:19,050 --> 01:58:22,950 pack, because that's like compiling, and pulling in 1805 01:58:22,980 --> 01:58:25,620 variables and stuff like that. So you do have to be careful not 1806 01:58:25,620 --> 01:58:29,970 to expose the private variables. But that's the beautiful thing 1807 01:58:29,970 --> 01:58:33,900 about podcasts index dot social is that there's people there 1808 01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:37,380 that are happy to help and totally guide through this 1809 01:58:37,380 --> 01:58:38,010 process. 1810 01:58:38,850 --> 01:58:41,730 Summer says versus what is deemed Jennifer has to say about 1811 01:58:41,730 --> 01:58:42,960 all web pack talk. 1812 01:58:47,070 --> 01:58:49,320 She doesn't have she doesn't she only has math. 1813 01:58:50,970 --> 01:58:58,920 It's so when you talk math. Thanks. Dry. Talk math to me. 1814 01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:04,590 Oh, man. That was that was heavy. We banned that one. We 1815 01:59:04,590 --> 01:59:07,110 might have banned. Sorry. I think we 1816 01:59:08,220 --> 01:59:14,100 did. Yeah, that's, yeah, we're getting the platform. So So I 1817 01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:18,180 finally figured out if it finally sort of conceptually 1818 01:59:18,180 --> 01:59:27,450 made sense to me, and I realized that Webpack is not running with 1819 01:59:27,450 --> 01:59:35,040 node. It's, it's compiling to it's, it's compiling static 1820 01:59:35,070 --> 01:59:38,610 HTML, and Java is compiling into static HTML and JavaScript. So 1821 01:59:38,610 --> 01:59:42,720 when you run Webpack, you're building the you're building a 1822 01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:45,720 static site, which node then serves? 1823 01:59:48,060 --> 01:59:49,980 Yes, that sounds right. Yeah. Welcome. 1824 01:59:51,060 --> 01:59:55,680 Welcome before Welcome to What everybody knew 12 years ago. And 1825 01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,640 so once I realized that then I'm like, Ah, da, no wonder you 1826 01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:04,320 can't Put, you can't reference process study and V variables 1827 02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:07,230 because there there is no process dot E and V like it's 1828 02:00:07,260 --> 02:00:11,640 it's not there, because it's a static website. And it can't 1829 02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:15,180 reference it for the static code. So anyway, so then I went 1830 02:00:15,180 --> 02:00:19,020 back and finally figured out, okay, there's this other package 1831 02:00:19,020 --> 02:00:22,200 called Dotty and v dash Webpack. And then blah, blah, blah, and, 1832 02:00:22,650 --> 02:00:28,530 and now we're all good. And that only that process was a was a a 1833 02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,010 svelte four days of work, so that's great. 1834 02:00:33,930 --> 02:00:36,960 That's what it felt like to us, too. I loved all the emails 1835 02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:42,120 coming into to it was an info word podcast. index.org Hey, 1836 02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:47,490 man. It's just broken man fixer shit. I love those I love. 1837 02:00:47,940 --> 02:00:50,310 I didn't know anybody even used it. And like evidently, like 1838 02:00:50,310 --> 02:00:52,740 100,000 People use this page. Well, 1839 02:00:52,740 --> 02:00:55,590 that's the beauty of it. I mean, a lot of people are using that. 1840 02:00:55,590 --> 02:00:58,800 There's a lot. There's a lot going on. I was quite pleased to 1841 02:00:58,800 --> 02:00:59,670 see all that. 1842 02:01:00,270 --> 02:01:04,770 Yeah. And I was like, you know, I refused to just go in there 1843 02:01:04,770 --> 02:01:07,530 and hard code it just to fix it. I'm like, No, I'm doing this the 1844 02:01:07,530 --> 02:01:08,310 right very good. 1845 02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:16,890 Hardcore, hardcore, Dave Jones. Love that. Okay. All right. 1846 02:01:17,220 --> 02:01:22,110 And personally, I want to personally say apologies to 1847 02:01:22,110 --> 02:01:26,400 Mitch, for dropping you inadvertently off of new podcast 1848 02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:32,190 apps.com Oh, noes, which is is now fixed. But you the app was 1849 02:01:32,190 --> 02:01:35,310 not shown because the filters were set wrong. And that's, 1850 02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:38,370 that's fixed now. Okay. Sorry. Oh, 1851 02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:42,180 no problem. And now accessible now accessible through new 1852 02:01:42,210 --> 02:01:47,730 podcast. apps.com. If you prefer, Mitch, thank you so 1853 02:01:47,730 --> 02:01:50,850 much, man, not just for being here on on a Friday. But for 1854 02:01:50,850 --> 02:01:53,430 everything you do the leap of faith you took and podcasting 1855 02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:58,350 2.0 is incredibly commendable and highly appreciated. I really 1856 02:01:58,350 --> 02:01:59,190 love what you're doing. 1857 02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:02,370 Oh, no problem. I love that you guys came around and started 1858 02:02:02,370 --> 02:02:06,540 this, this is the most exciting thing I've ever worked on. And 1859 02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:12,510 your the app is going far beyond anything I imagined because of 1860 02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:15,060 all these new features that are being brought into podcasting. 1861 02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:18,420 2.0. So thank you guys and everybody in the community. 1862 02:02:18,630 --> 02:02:22,980 Yeah. Also, I use sovereign feeds. I have a Lightning 1863 02:02:22,980 --> 02:02:25,860 Network Address now. Oh, good. About two minutes. Yes. You're 1864 02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:27,900 gonna send that to me? Yes, I 1865 02:02:27,900 --> 02:02:31,350 put it in the IRC chat echo that scrolled off a long time ago. 1866 02:02:31,860 --> 02:02:34,950 All right. Just put on the email or something. That'd be awkward 1867 02:02:34,950 --> 02:02:39,120 if you could even do it on social anywhere, because you can 1868 02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:41,220 you can post that publicly. Okay. 1869 02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:45,930 I want to save in, you know, give gift, pod versus tribe 1870 02:02:45,930 --> 02:02:51,540 because pod pod verse. One knock that we hear from time to time 1871 02:02:51,540 --> 02:02:54,750 about podcasting. 2.0 apps is because of because we're 1872 02:02:54,750 --> 02:02:57,300 building this is all sausage being made. It's all running 1873 02:02:57,300 --> 02:03:00,420 with scissors. You know, it's things are buggy. I mean, this 1874 02:03:00,420 --> 02:03:04,440 is all new, new code and things. Things don't have the spit and 1875 02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:08,730 polish that you know, and podcast apps that have been 1876 02:03:08,730 --> 02:03:13,560 around for 10 plus years do and but you know, pod verse is 1877 02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:17,130 stable. It's a very it's a stable app that rarely messes up 1878 02:03:17,130 --> 02:03:19,260 and it's got every feature you can think and 1879 02:03:19,260 --> 02:03:24,570 I use it on the on the graphene OS and I have my my own node 1880 02:03:24,570 --> 02:03:28,320 hooked up to it. Not into my own wallet apps or not. No, but I 1881 02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:32,160 have a wallet hooked up to it. It works perfectly. Yeah. Loving 1882 02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:35,550 it. Thanks, guys. Yes, thank you, everybody in the chat room. 1883 02:03:35,550 --> 02:03:39,390 Thank you. Of course, Steven B for curieux Castro and sovereign 1884 02:03:39,390 --> 02:03:42,180 feeds and your assistance, everybody. Thank you so much, 1885 02:03:42,210 --> 02:03:45,330 Dave. Thank you my friend. Thank you, my brother. Well, thank you 1886 02:03:45,330 --> 02:03:48,510 so much. That's it everybody. That is your board meeting. We 1887 02:03:48,510 --> 02:03:52,350 will return next week. And we might be on the summer schedule 1888 02:03:52,350 --> 02:03:54,690 soon. So make sure you join us for the board meeting of 1889 02:03:54,690 --> 02:03:56,250 podcasting 2.0. 1890 02:04:11,610 --> 02:04:16,170 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1891 02:04:16,170 --> 02:04:18,690 index.com for more information. 1892 02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,690 We have the boots