Episode 87: Freerange & Unsupervised

1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:06,269 podcasting 2.0 From May 27 2020 to Episode 87 We're free rains 2 00:00:06,269 --> 00:00:07,379 and unsupervised. 3 00:00:08,790 --> 00:00:12,930 Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 It is the 4 00:00:12,930 --> 00:00:16,530 podcast that is the official board meeting of the entire 5 00:00:16,530 --> 00:00:20,160 podcast 2.0 movement. That's right everything that's going on 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,670 that you may or may not see ahead of the screen and behind 7 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:27,810 the screen at podcast index.org What's going on with the podcast 8 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:31,530 standards? Are we lit in Oh yeah, everything that is being 9 00:00:31,530 --> 00:00:34,740 discussed in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 10 00:00:34,740 --> 00:00:37,680 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an Alabama the three 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,560 time heavyweight champion of the world my friend on the other end 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,740 ladies and gentlemen say hello to Mr. Dave Jones. 13 00:00:45,180 --> 00:00:47,460 There are many things I am heavyweight is not one of them. 14 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:51,450 I thought it would make an extra funny Bantam weight. Maybe maybe 15 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:54,480 we're banter. banter was too small. This is small feather 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,260 isn't featherweight 17 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:00,390 bent and I've never understood this this that one doesn't make 18 00:01:00,390 --> 00:01:03,390 any sense. What is Bantam? Well, I also didn't say champion of 19 00:01:03,390 --> 00:01:08,400 what I mean. I didn't say UFC or heavyweight boxing champion of 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,800 the world. You in my mind. All right, true. Heavyweight 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,440 Champion Dave Jones. No, sage. Yes, you are. Thank you, are you 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,540 brother, we are lit. Once again, the live item tag is on the air, 23 00:01:21,570 --> 00:01:23,520 which means people can 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,330 can listen to this live they should have been notified in 25 00:01:27,330 --> 00:01:30,960 either curio caster or in I don't know if the actual 26 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:34,140 notification came through for pod verse. But that's because 27 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:37,440 neither you or I have any capability to do that 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,670 apparently, which is just peachy keen. That is bonkers. 29 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:47,250 I mean, like what, In what world? Should I not be able to 30 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:52,380 send a live pod being that don't get it? Well, we my own fault. 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,910 We decided to kind of move forward. I also couldn't get the 32 00:01:57,570 --> 00:02:01,110 I had the live streaming camera that I got for us. 33 00:02:02,670 --> 00:02:07,800 No agenda tube for the pier to but instance that, you know, 34 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:10,140 hope hopefully we'll be integrating into some of this 35 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:10,980 live stuff soon. 36 00:02:12,030 --> 00:02:12,840 And 37 00:02:14,730 --> 00:02:18,420 yeah, the browser keeps telling me oh, no, I don't have 38 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:21,150 permission to access Windows, of course don't have permission to 39 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:24,780 access refresh, restart the browser, reboot the machine. And 40 00:02:24,780 --> 00:02:26,010 like that's where I draw the line. 41 00:02:27,540 --> 00:02:29,070 They Yeah, I mean, we 42 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:30,870 the 43 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:36,180 the technical abilities, of what of what we 44 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:40,530 would you call it what of what we portray versus what we 45 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:43,080 actually have. There's a mismatch there. 46 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:47,880 And we're like, we're behind, we're sort of behind our own 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,440 curve. Well, there is also an entire culture of live streaming 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,160 that I've never really been a part of. This is YouTube, like 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,520 stuff. So this is this is all completely new, what I love 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,260 today. So we have sovereign feeds. And I just big props to 51 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:09,450 Steven B with what he's doing on sovereign feeds, totes, totes. 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,550 So now we have the web hook integrated. So when I go to let 53 00:03:14,550 --> 00:03:18,690 everybody know that a live feed is pending, I no longer have to 54 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:24,870 add output an RSS file and then FTP that, it just removes all 55 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:28,500 these beautiful little steps, it just one clicks into server. And 56 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:31,020 then I still have to hit the pod ping manually. But that'll all 57 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:32,400 be automatic soon, I'm sure. 58 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:38,850 The now he also has chapters that are working the same way 59 00:03:38,850 --> 00:03:42,450 that you can you can edit chapters, right in this kind of 60 00:03:42,450 --> 00:03:44,850 a nice chapter editor. I've played around with it just a 61 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:49,500 little bit in sovereign feeds. Internet have seen it? Oh, yeah. 62 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,320 It's, it's, I mean, this, this thing is coming together. You 63 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,800 know, I couldn't quite figure out how to associate the right 64 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:59,490 web hook with the podcast. And it turns out that I hadn't. 65 00:04:00,780 --> 00:04:04,170 I hadn't added it to my favorites. And quite honestly, 66 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:07,650 I've never used favorites. And this is a little topic of 67 00:04:07,650 --> 00:04:11,580 discussion I'd like to bring up when you have someone like me, 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,420 who gets in really early and is working with a developer and 69 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:18,780 providing feedback and doing stuff. And you'll recognize 70 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:22,020 this, Dave, because we've we've done this for many, many years, 71 00:04:22,380 --> 00:04:24,750 that a certain point, you actually make reference to this 72 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:28,020 in a different way. This is my side of the equation. Now 73 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:30,960 there's things that I'll just work around, because I'm always 74 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,630 using these tools in production. You know, that's the running 75 00:04:33,630 --> 00:04:35,760 with scissors. So I'm like, Yeah, I'll just use this. Who 76 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,190 cares if it doesn't work three minutes before the show, you 77 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:42,270 know, we'll just we'll just figure it out. Right? But other 78 00:04:42,270 --> 00:04:47,640 steps that a developer then later starts to abstract and 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,260 turn into, you know, one function or one click if it was 80 00:04:52,260 --> 00:04:57,600 not told, if I'm not told, like, Hey, you can now do this like 81 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,000 this or we've had I don't even know if I even realized 82 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,410 If there was a Favorites button, 83 00:05:02,669 --> 00:05:04,679 it's not something that was there in the beginning. So I 84 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:07,619 never. And of course, it makes so much sense. I have four 85 00:05:07,619 --> 00:05:10,409 feeds, I'm always typing it in the search box, I'm doing the 86 00:05:10,409 --> 00:05:13,919 stupid shit. Like, oh, I can just add this to favorites. Now 87 00:05:13,919 --> 00:05:17,819 in this case, adding the podcast to favorites meant that I could 88 00:05:17,819 --> 00:05:21,809 also associate the web hook with it. Right, and subsequently a 89 00:05:21,809 --> 00:05:26,369 chapter web hook if if we want to go that route. So this was, 90 00:05:26,939 --> 00:05:32,279 this was just interesting to me from for a developer. It's like 91 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,539 sometimes your best users who are in their early are not going 92 00:05:36,539 --> 00:05:39,329 to undo I mean, I, at a certain point, I didn't understand what 93 00:05:39,329 --> 00:05:43,109 the UI was doing. Because the UI was just It worked differently. 94 00:05:43,109 --> 00:05:47,339 And I'm so used to working within the confines of what is 95 00:05:47,339 --> 00:05:51,179 provided that is confusing. So I'm not sure how to solve this. 96 00:05:51,989 --> 00:05:55,979 It's just some data I'd like to give you as a user. 97 00:05:57,540 --> 00:06:03,660 It seems the cause a change, change log sort of thing would 98 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:07,950 be good. Like just a pop up that you know, how you like when you 99 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:11,580 get a pop up that says, hey, you know, this, these things have 100 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:13,170 changed? That's a good point. Yeah, that's, 101 00:06:14,250 --> 00:06:18,510 that's, that's one good thing about test flight. And the iOS 102 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:25,950 beta testing system in is when you put in show, like, you put 103 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:29,280 in change logs, okay, here's what we changed by when you 104 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,190 install the latest update. It you know, it tells you, hey, 105 00:06:32,190 --> 00:06:34,590 there's a new update available, you hit it, and then it comes 106 00:06:34,590 --> 00:06:37,020 up, and it just gives you a literally, it just gives you a 107 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:40,470 full page change log, this says, Here's what updated and here's 108 00:06:40,470 --> 00:06:44,820 what we need you to test in, it's just a itemized list of all 109 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:47,760 the different things that were added. That would be cool, 110 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:53,430 within within sovereign feeds to have like a pop up whenever, 111 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,670 whenever something's new. Yeah, remember, whenever the version 112 00:06:56,670 --> 00:06:57,750 number changes or something, 113 00:06:59,220 --> 00:07:03,300 then you signal a pop up with the latest, you know, change log 114 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:06,690 or whatever. And also, this one went in. And I'll also say that 115 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,830 curio cast or the other side of sovereign feeds has become 116 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,870 really smooth. I don't know exactly what Stephen did, but I 117 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:19,500 have no less issues. And sometimes it would crash that's 118 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:20,700 been gone for weeks. 119 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:25,620 The, you know, the new episodes, which I think is a crucial part 120 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:28,170 of any podcast app is you know, what episodes that I'm 121 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:31,200 subscribed of feeds I'm subscribed to is new in reverse 122 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,910 chronological order. That's for me, it's critical. That works as 123 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:37,620 expected every single time. 124 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:43,560 Restarting gonna it's just a web app. So I have it saved as you 125 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,510 know, as a desktop web app on my graphene OS. When I open up a 126 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:51,420 pot when it opened back up, the podcast I was listening to is 127 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:54,540 still there. It's still queued to the right time I hit play, it 128 00:07:54,540 --> 00:07:59,100 starts playing from there. These are not small things. And when 129 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:02,010 they really get fixed, everything starts to sing. It's 130 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:08,010 really impressive. Well, did you see the demo video that Mitch 131 00:08:08,010 --> 00:08:12,270 posted and he's got a he's got the cross, like a crowd the 132 00:08:12,270 --> 00:08:17,580 cross platform, position, time position sync stuff kind of 133 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:22,590 nailed down now so you can listen on pod pod verse on the 134 00:08:22,590 --> 00:08:26,790 web pod versus on the on the iPhone pod versal Nan Oh, so 135 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:28,950 doesn't cross device. Oh, 136 00:08:30,090 --> 00:08:34,680 nice. Nice. It's really nice to see all these podcasting 2.0 137 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:36,630 apps just sort of like 138 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,800 they they're starting their feature set has always been big 139 00:08:40,830 --> 00:08:45,600 but then like now they're just starting to polish. Yeah, things 140 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,760 get that to get everything everything's starting to feel 141 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,870 real tight. One other thing that was really nice because we have 142 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:56,850 the we call it lit the live item tags so the show went lit and 143 00:08:57,450 --> 00:09:00,720 but even before if you do the show pending and you publish 144 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,080 okay, you update the feed might the show was pending us at 145 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,520 12:35pm that's where we're gonna start. Then you go to curio cast 146 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,040 or there's a pending broadcast tab which I don't know if that's 147 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,830 the right way to do it. And honestly, I would like to have 148 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:19,800 any any new live item maybe even pending live items. I'd like to 149 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,220 have those in my new episode feed because that's where the 150 00:09:23,220 --> 00:09:27,660 first place I look. So you know that just in most well however 151 00:09:27,660 --> 00:09:29,700 that works and it needs to be apparent to me. 152 00:09:30,750 --> 00:09:34,320 When you when you click on the pending, it brings up a box 153 00:09:34,380 --> 00:09:37,530 actually it's a list you can see multiple shows that are that are 154 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:42,270 pending to go live. And right there it has boost, you can pre 155 00:09:42,270 --> 00:09:47,490 boost the show. Oh, it's sexy. It's really cool. It brings up 156 00:09:47,490 --> 00:09:50,700 the boost panel and you can pre write a boosted gram so you 157 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:53,490 actually boosting into the episode before it's live. It's 158 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:57,930 really cool. Oh, that's that's yeah, that's a great idea. Great 159 00:09:57,930 --> 00:09:59,970 idea. You know, you can someone can throw it 160 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,270 Last minute it matches. I'll tell you 100,000 SATs gets my 161 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:08,790 attention it does just say it does just saying no that's not 162 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:11,130 hearing the booster booster grams are coming in but I'm not 163 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:16,560 hearing that when we see that interact with the page. Oh, yes, 164 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,260 I'm sorry on the page interact with the page. Yes, I looked at 165 00:10:19,260 --> 00:10:22,500 the page and went, Hey, how you doing? And the page went? Hey, 166 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:25,050 okay, yes, I clicked on it. Okay, so now it should work. 167 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:28,680 Should they want to want to do anything about it? God I'm gonna 168 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,880 need any again to the point where I think No, thanks, guys. 169 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:35,400 Again, to the point where I think I'm gonna be reading 170 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:40,320 reading glasses. I mean, I'm exactly the opposite. My eyes 171 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,760 are shit but I'm nearsighted. That's why I love small screens 172 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,750 that get really close to my left leaning in you know, I don't 173 00:10:48,750 --> 00:10:51,450 like multiple applications on a screen just one screen at a 174 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:55,860 time. I've never had vision problems before and and all of a 175 00:10:55,860 --> 00:11:01,350 sudden it's like podcasting. 2.0 in Messenger with your health. 176 00:11:01,380 --> 00:11:06,750 Yeah. It's your eyeballs are slowly deteriorating. Piece by 177 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:11,280 piece. Yeah. You know, so I'm having to like, pull things out 178 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,120 for so here. Does it work this way? If you're nearsighted the 179 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,910 older you get everything starts to balance out. That's what they 180 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:20,970 say. But there's no real evidence of that for me. I have 181 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:24,240 better days and usually at home I walk around without glasses. I 182 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,780 hate my glasses. It's it's painful. I used to wear lenses. 183 00:11:28,770 --> 00:11:31,590 That's just stupid putting stuff on your eyes. 184 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:34,560 That just got old for me. 185 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:38,880 So of course, the problem is if you can't find your glasses when 186 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,190 you need your glasses, and you can't find them because you need 187 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:44,640 glasses. Yes, the industry. Well then you're you're either 188 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:48,420 screwed. And you're always asking for help. Luckily, Tina 189 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:51,870 is farsighted. So we're the perfect match. Or pa he has two 190 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:54,870 sides of the same coin, where you get one of those chains with 191 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:57,480 your glasses around the neck and you start smoking a pipe. 192 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,270 A monocle. 193 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:04,860 A monocle. That's a pretty cool idea. I could pocket I could 194 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:08,070 rock a monocle. You could you get about here Monaco kind of 195 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,050 guy. Rockin the monocle. 196 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,820 Did the sovereign feeds web hook? Yeah. I mean, I haven't 197 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:17,910 checked it. It's working. Right? Yeah. No, we weren't first gold. 198 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:20,670 Yeah, no, we're definitely golden. This thing works. All we 199 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:25,230 need is just building the, the pod ping. And that's it. Okay, 200 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,370 don't perfect. Yeah, go ahead. I don't know, like, what what this 201 00:12:29,370 --> 00:12:34,050 is the sovereign, sovereign feeds that Adam uses to generate 202 00:12:34,050 --> 00:12:38,940 the feed, as the web has a web hook feature that will ship the 203 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,440 full XML of the podcast feed 204 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:50,190 in a in a get request or a post request, up to a server of your 205 00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:55,110 choosing with a secret. And so we've got an extra talk about 206 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:55,620 this first thing, 207 00:12:56,850 --> 00:13:01,320 because some interesting things came out of this like, 208 00:13:02,370 --> 00:13:05,430 so what we'll do is you, you know, you just set up a box 209 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:12,480 somewhere that can receive this, this HTTP request. And then when 210 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,610 it comes in, you just do whatever you want to with feed, 211 00:13:14,610 --> 00:13:16,050 you're gonna, you're gonna stick it somewhere. 212 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:24,090 And where we where we stick it is in object storage in an s3 213 00:13:24,090 --> 00:13:26,310 bucket, on Linode 214 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,640 in their New Jersey data center, and that's a bucket that is 215 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,570 accessible through the URL through the domain name, feeds 216 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:41,190 that podcast index.org. And so then we got all that work in 217 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:46,860 whenever the whenever the, the web hook gets called, it saves 218 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:52,170 the feed temporarily on the file on the on the box, turns around 219 00:13:52,170 --> 00:13:57,120 does a call to upload it to object storage. And then it's 220 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,330 done. Well, then 221 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:06,540 the object storage bucket is fronted by Cloudflare. So the 222 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:09,540 Cloudflare is Cloudflare caching everything 223 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:11,460 and then 224 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,720 paying the mark void zero, who runs the nodes into the CDN and 225 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,330 told him you know, hey, can you put in a redirect redirect for 226 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:26,970 us? Right, so our old Feed URL is now 302 redirecting to the 227 00:14:26,970 --> 00:14:32,400 feeds dot podcast index.org And so we didn't lose we didn't lose 228 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,770 anything and we're not officially changing the feed URL 229 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:37,200 the feed URL staying the same it's just gonna be a redirect 230 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,450 for for an indefinite point of amount of time. The 231 00:14:43,530 --> 00:14:46,650 The interesting thing was now we can get we can get some stats 232 00:14:47,130 --> 00:14:51,780 ah, statistics Oh, that's right. Yeah. What did we learn spoke 233 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:54,630 Spanish. That was Italian but okay. Yeah. 234 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:59,970 Thing is battalion. What what what are the stats 235 00:15:01,410 --> 00:15:04,500 Are these IAB certified? Oh, yeah. 236 00:15:07,770 --> 00:15:11,400 Yeah, that's what we this is also we can pimp our stats so we 237 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,570 can get advertisers. 238 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:15,810 I'm gonna call Spotify momentarily. 239 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:21,600 Yeah, we can get wild turkey. Wait a minute, you know, we 240 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,140 apparently now Buzzsprout has created some ad thing. 241 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:31,140 Oh, yeah. Well, I asked if I booster grand Kevin and asked 242 00:15:31,140 --> 00:15:36,540 him this, at some point, will we be able to on buzz cast? At some 243 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:39,660 point we'll be able to like, target a specific show, say 244 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:44,940 like, I want to, I want to drop an ad for podcasting 2.0 Show 245 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:48,210 into broadcast and haven't heard back I have to wait for the next 246 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:51,360 episode of their show to drop before I can get a response to 247 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Oh, so is it intended for advertising or more for promos? 248 00:15:57,330 --> 00:15:58,530 I mean, I think it's, I think it's I 249 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,090 think it's advertising. I think it's any advertising you want. 250 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:06,180 But then, from what I understand, you can't target a 251 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:08,580 specific show. Like you just throw it out there and say these 252 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:12,300 are the types of shows I want. And then they just get offered 253 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:13,440 to the podcasters. 254 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:18,960 So like you as the podcaster would get these notifications 255 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,320 saying, hey, such there, here's a new ad that's available. Do 256 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,610 you want to do? Allow that on your show? Okay. Which is a good 257 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:30,360 way to do it. On the back on the backs that we could 258 00:16:31,530 --> 00:16:35,760 I want to be able to target a specific show. But the me too, 259 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,810 and I want to create specific ads. Yeah, for specific shows. 260 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,020 Yeah. And then I want to swap out the mp3 so that 261 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:47,820 I wanted to insert something else than what I originally made 262 00:16:47,820 --> 00:16:51,570 available at the last minute the last minute Yes. Yeah. Just go 263 00:16:51,570 --> 00:16:55,560 meal switch disco booty Booty booty Booty, podcast. 2.0 264 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:57,090 Running with Scissors spaghetti. 265 00:16:59,550 --> 00:17:01,350 That is my promo right there. 266 00:17:02,820 --> 00:17:08,250 We have since we changed this over on Tuesday. 267 00:17:09,810 --> 00:17:12,570 And then towards the end of the day, so like six o'clock on 268 00:17:12,570 --> 00:17:18,240 Tuesday. PM. So since then. So you got was that Wednesday, 269 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,530 Thursday, Friday. 270 00:17:20,550 --> 00:17:24,900 Since then we've had 42,000 requests for the feed. 271 00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:28,200 What does that mean? 272 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,940 That means it's been it's been asked it's, it's been polled 273 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:37,860 42,000 times. Okay, so that means we are about 18 listeners. 274 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:42,000 Probably. These are mostly so here's this. These are the 275 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,950 interesting stats. So podcast addict. 276 00:17:45,420 --> 00:17:48,480 Xavier's aggregator hit us about 8000 times. 277 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,620 Antenna pod hit us about 2000. 278 00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:58,590 There's one that it just it's just not these are not very good 279 00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:03,360 RSS wire. The wire is fine apps not using pod ping. Because the 280 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,200 less the less polling the better. No. Oh, they do? Yes. 281 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,130 Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Like podcast addict does. He's, he's 282 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:14,670 paying but Oh, so it's maybe it's not maybe it's not polling, 283 00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:19,800 but it's when someone actually loads the loads the loads the 284 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:20,970 feed that or you know, 285 00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:26,610 it's like breeze when you hit breeze. It will load I believe 286 00:18:26,610 --> 00:18:29,430 it loads from the feed and not from the index for the for the 287 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:32,760 listing. For the episodes. It loads from the index, or it gets 288 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,090 information from the index. Yeah, I think a lot of the 289 00:18:36,090 --> 00:18:39,720 mobile apps did they'll hit the feed themselves just as a, like 290 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,530 a double check. Okay, that makes sense. Cuz Casta Matic does that 291 00:18:43,530 --> 00:18:46,980 too. It's all on device. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. 292 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:52,860 Starkweather 3330 3330 SATs and hello to Shawn in Cape Town, 293 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:58,170 South Africa. Oh, nice. Yeah, we go global. We are baby. I'm glad 294 00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:03,360 we got that antenna pointed that direction. Yeah. Cast Matic. It 295 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,840 is like one point. See that? 1200 times and overcast hit us 296 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,320 about 1200 times. Anyway, just going through this because the 297 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,850 interesting thing that we hit ourselves 1000 times. 298 00:19:16,770 --> 00:19:19,770 I think it is illegal. It's illegal in some states. I don't 299 00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:19,980 think 300 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,080 yourself like that. 301 00:19:24,180 --> 00:19:31,470 But that's, that's interesting. Because it it's less, then some 302 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:34,830 are less than you would think and others are more. It's just 303 00:19:34,830 --> 00:19:39,060 interesting to see how many times we're getting polled from 304 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:43,590 these various faiths and we were pretty low. I mean, we're 1000 305 00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:46,080 we're like maybe 10th down on the world. Can you explain what 306 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,250 you mean by not what you would expect? I don't understand what 307 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:53,700 you're insinuating. I don't understand what I'm insinuating. 308 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:59,130 I have no point of this is a curious walk down the down this 309 00:19:59,820 --> 00:19:59,970 line. 310 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,910 Yeah, this is the thing with stats. It's like you're looking 311 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:08,670 at you extrapolate. I told you we had a, I sold a program to 312 00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:14,520 our clients when we had think new ideas in 96. Public Company, 313 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,690 we had Reebok, Anheuser Busch big, big companies. And 314 00:20:19,770 --> 00:20:21,960 this was very early days. So they you know, of course, they 315 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,740 want to understand what was happening. And so we sold them 316 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,590 ASAP. And ASAP was an acronym for advanced statistic Analysis 317 00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:34,770 Program, which was basically ripped, which is basically you 318 00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:38,970 got Webtrends Webtrends charts and then someone called you and 319 00:20:38,970 --> 00:20:42,510 walk you through it, but you can extrapolate it any way you want. 320 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:52,530 So ASAP was grip with the pretty much wrap, grab pie with WC. 321 00:20:55,980 --> 00:21:00,630 WC, WC dash SL Yeah, exactly. 322 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,030 Oh, man, let's Brett is branded ASAP and make a million dollars. 323 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:11,490 Pretty much did that. So let's see. So, you know, I think I 324 00:21:11,490 --> 00:21:15,390 need to switch. The Sovereign thinks the seats thing is is 325 00:21:15,390 --> 00:21:18,540 going to work out fine. I think I should probably switch my 326 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:21,690 son's band thing. Oh, here's the here's a question. And I'm just 327 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:25,650 throwing it out there. Since we have the web hooks working? I 328 00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:29,850 mean, is it crazy to say hey, you know, let's connect it to 329 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:33,510 people's Dropbox. I think there's a way to do that. 330 00:21:35,370 --> 00:21:40,260 Not a bad idea. Does Dropbox do traffic? I'm pretty sure that 331 00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:43,860 they have it in they have a facility and there's other. I 332 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:47,610 think there's other tools. I've seen that upload something to 333 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:50,700 Dropbox. Maybe the chat room knows, but I think I've seen 334 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:55,200 that, or any or any other storage. Would they bitch at you 335 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,610 if you had like, I have no idea in 1000 downloads a day? I don't 336 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:02,130 know, if you have 10,000 downloads a day, you might want 337 00:22:02,130 --> 00:22:07,080 to go to a bigger host anyway. Sure. Maybe that way you get you 338 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,190 get white glove service? 339 00:22:10,770 --> 00:22:13,140 No, no, you actually get the opposite. The bigger the bigger 340 00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:15,840 the podcast, you are the hosting companies begin to hate you 341 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,070 more. It's costing us so much money. True. That's true. 342 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:25,140 But I was thinking, you know, with torque with torque con was 343 00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:26,700 my son's ban. Like, 344 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:31,080 I want to add the medium tag to that. And so I should put it in 345 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,990 sovereign sovereign states has medium tag, right? 346 00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:41,760 I believe so. There's actually a thread that was going on with 347 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,240 Steven B. I think, sir Spencer, maybe someone else 348 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:50,220 about using the medium tag, you know, obviously for it certainly 349 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:54,480 for initial initial purposes, you know, when you hit a feed 350 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,780 that says music, then it should present a somewhat different 351 00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:00,960 experience. A different way to look at it. I've been thinking a 352 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:07,200 lot about music 2.0 Let me just meet to let me let me just fuck 353 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,260 it all up by coming up with another brand that we can't 354 00:23:10,290 --> 00:23:14,040 register a domain name for or anything like that. Okay, we'll 355 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,340 just call it music. 2.0 Nobody's ever tried to use that before 356 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:21,480 has no, I think we all saw the 357 00:23:22,530 --> 00:23:26,760 YouTube that was posted about it from Ted Joya 358 00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:32,160 clips. Oh, good, good, good. Oh, wow, that's even better. Why 359 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320 don't we get into that, and then we can talk about it. Because, 360 00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:38,070 okay, and this comes kind of on the heels of something else, you 361 00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:43,890 know, there was a story that escorts are using some hosts to 362 00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:47,580 upload advertisements. And, 363 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,570 and this is not unique to the, to this business, you know, 364 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:54,660 growing up in Amsterdam, but also Internet in the early days 365 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,110 crossover. Also, they were then this was what we what we call a 366 00:23:58,110 --> 00:24:00,600 sex club, and the red light district would basically just 367 00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:03,870 stage shows. I have a funny story about that for another 368 00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:05,220 time, maybe another podcast. 369 00:24:06,990 --> 00:24:09,450 But I knew a lot of these guys, because they were just nerds who 370 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,210 kind of slipped into this business. And it was the, you 371 00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:15,900 know, the porn business was the first with live streaming. And 372 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:18,060 they were monetized. And they were they were honest, still 373 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:21,330 your innovation comes from usually Yeah, and a lot of it 374 00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:22,080 did actually. 375 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:24,090 And 376 00:24:25,170 --> 00:24:29,550 so I wasn't surprised to see, especially when Backpage had to 377 00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:36,030 close this was the the change of section 230 which is which kind 378 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:37,950 of allows that kind of stuff. 379 00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:42,150 Without any government intervention, they made a change 380 00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:46,530 to it, which has been abused now to for all kinds of takedowns 381 00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:50,160 etc. But that's, that's hosta is the name of that foster. Thank 382 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,780 you. But that's kind of 383 00:24:54,810 --> 00:24:57,330 Yeah, where was I going with this? 384 00:24:58,860 --> 00:24:59,970 You were helping music 385 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,710 Music 2.0 Yeah, nobody by the reason I owe the escorts. So 386 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:07,620 that's cool. So I wasn't surprised that they would find a 387 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:13,020 way to, you know, spam a podcast host. The only thing that is, is 388 00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:18,900 baffling to me is that none of these are actual podcasts. They 389 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:23,010 care. So content. I know that I mean, did have like an empty mp3 390 00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:26,130 file, right? It's just, like some static or something like 391 00:25:26,130 --> 00:25:28,890 that. Yeah. I mean, is there even has to be an enclosure, I 392 00:25:28,890 --> 00:25:33,960 presume? It's like, why it's a totally valid podcast, if you 393 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,740 add some content to it. I mean, why would I? Why would it be 394 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:42,180 wrong for an escort within the boundaries of the law to, to 395 00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:45,960 advertise in that manner? Is that any different than the 396 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,800 Ford? F 150? Lightning podcast? No, no, little did I know, what 397 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,470 do you mean, it's different? I mean, like, from a technical 398 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:58,230 standpoint, and from a philosophical standpoint, know 399 00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:02,070 from the ethical standpoint. What it'll differ, what do you 400 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:05,100 mean, what what is the what is the difference? I mean, taking 401 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,570 into account any, any local laws, etc, maybe nudity 402 00:26:09,570 --> 00:26:12,570 displaying on album art, which most of them are all obfuscated 403 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:14,160 by phone numbers anyway. 404 00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:20,340 difference, the difference being that there when you when you 405 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:24,750 have an ad for a lot for an F 150? Lightning? You're never you 406 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:29,220 never have to wonder if the if that particular f 150 has been, 407 00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:34,470 like, exploited and being used would be against his will? Well, 408 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:36,270 hold on, hold on a second. Um, okay. 409 00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:40,590 Wow, that's a big statement. And I would I would, I mean, you can 410 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:43,980 we can delve into that. But I'm talking not about an ad, I'm 411 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:45,450 talking about a podcast. 412 00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:50,640 So instead of escorts uploading an ad, was just album art with 413 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,480 your phone number on it. Why not make a podcast if you're serious 414 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,420 about your clientele? Remember, I grew up in Amsterdam, so I 415 00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:00,600 have a different view of prostitution. Of course, there's 416 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,990 all kinds of issues, but I've seen how it can work quite well. 417 00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:09,480 In regards to protection for for the sex workers. 418 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,790 And I think a yeah, you can say, well, of course, there's been no 419 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:18,930 abuse for the Ford F 150. Well, let's talk about some of the 420 00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:21,270 suppliers and where the parts come from, and, you know, 421 00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:24,480 children who are abused or Uyghurs or whatever and we can 422 00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:28,020 that's true. I don't think that's a valid. Well, that's the 423 00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:32,670 right path to go down. All I'm saying is, they came so close to 424 00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:36,600 doing something incredibly unique. Because you can you can, 425 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,080 you can do an audio podcast and just say, Oh, hey, look, you 426 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:40,350 know, 427 00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:44,700 you're in San Antonio. I'm just saying that just as a 428 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:47,460 coincidence, Steven B has nothing to do with you. You're 429 00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:53,490 in San Antonio. And, yeah, hey, hey, guys in San Antonio, you 430 00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:58,200 know, I'm Raven. And yeah. Here's something about me. I 431 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,120 love reading books, you know, whatever it is. 432 00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:04,560 I'm just saying that would not have I would have fought for 433 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,910 that to stay. And I think that they should probably pay for 434 00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:13,320 hosting for that. I mean, if you're providing a free tier 435 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840 then okay. You don't want that as your free tier, because 436 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,400 that's just you're not getting the value that the persons using 437 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,540 it in that way that they're getting out of it. But yeah, I 438 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:28,230 don't know. I'm just saying I think it's, I heard a lot of all 439 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:31,380 well, let's get rid of it had an orc killing it. We know. Okay, 440 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:35,940 totally. Because they're not podcast. It's bogus. But what 441 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:36,420 if? 442 00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:40,560 What if? Would everyone's do the same thing? Would they pull the 443 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,380 plug? Would they jump to conclusions? Would they make the 444 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:44,580 judgments about? 445 00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:49,260 Yeah, I don't know. Just, well, I've got to get now I've got 446 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,480 thoughts. And my thoughts are not very different from yours. 447 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:57,120 The actually. So I mean, I have gotten some stuff written down 448 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,580 here that I'd done earlier in the week. And it's like, 449 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,890 you know, the, 450 00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:07,080 the question is how to figure that out? Because that that's 451 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,090 where the difference comes from. And that's what I'm talking 452 00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:13,860 about when it comes to when it comes to a podcast about the F 453 00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:19,920 150. You don't? You never had there's not even a question. You 454 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,940 don't even have to figure it out. When it comes to 455 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:31,380 a podcast or an escort service. You you have a moral 456 00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:35,040 responsibility to try to figure it out. And I'm not even talking 457 00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:38,400 I'm talking about beyond Fausta in the in the back page bill. 458 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:44,070 Like you because when you see me, there's probably some still 459 00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:46,410 in here because I've been going through and trying to try and 460 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:48,540 I've been doing this exact process 461 00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:51,060 in like, 462 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,360 let me just scroll down through here. Like here. Okay, here's 463 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,050 the here's one. 464 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:59,970 Escort confessions. That one's that's on the 465 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360 That's on podcast index. And I see no reason to take it down. 466 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:11,190 Because it's a podcast about the sex worker industry. And it's so 467 00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:15,780 you're, you're making a you're making a content judgment call 468 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:20,490 that have you listened to every episode? Are you sure that no 469 00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:23,370 one has been abused? Who was interviewed, or I mean, I'm just 470 00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:23,910 saying that? 471 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,730 No, no, no, it's more surfacey than that. No, it's more 472 00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:33,090 surfacing that so like they here's one to 60 Escort guide, 473 00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:35,190 we discuss everything fascinating the world of paid 474 00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:37,530 companionship, right. So you're going by descriptions. 475 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,850 And so far, yeah, just just as a, as a cursory attempt to 476 00:30:44,850 --> 00:30:48,390 comply with with local law, because we have to comply with 477 00:30:48,390 --> 00:30:49,080 foster too. 478 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:54,630 And so the, as I'm going through here, didn't you see some that 479 00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:57,750 are, then you'll hit one that'll, and I can't find one 480 00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:01,710 yet. But, oh, here's an here's one diary of an escort. And my 481 00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:04,560 name is so and so I'm an escort here in San Francisco Bay, and 482 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:09,660 blah, blah, blah. Like, then he Okay, here's one escort service 483 00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:10,920 in bunch Ara hills. 484 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:16,290 And he gets a phone number. Now see, then now you've gotten out 485 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:21,690 of the sort of realm of like document documentary and talking 486 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:27,690 about the content. And now you're talking about advertising 487 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:28,770 a service 488 00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:33,210 with contact information, and there doesn't seem to be 489 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:37,230 anything, any other point to it. And that's what I meant by, you 490 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:41,040 have to figure out the difference between, okay, now, 491 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:45,930 now, we've now it's, it's, it's the thing that we are 492 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,490 facilitating a contact, and then is worth pasta, and all that 493 00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:54,630 stuff comes in, then you like at some point you feel like, well, 494 00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:58,140 hold on a second, because I want to understand what you 495 00:31:58,140 --> 00:31:59,520 understand under Fausta. 496 00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:04,140 So facilitating a contact that that's where you have to draw 497 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,920 the line? That was my understanding is you if you 498 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:15,450 become like part of the chain inadvertently or on purpose? 499 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:22,500 You can't, you have to remove that content. Because Because 500 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:27,060 you cannot. Because you don't know whether or not at the end 501 00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:30,150 of on the other end of this thing. If there is sex 502 00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:34,170 trafficking or exploitation that's happening. And that some 503 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:37,140 of these look, they don't offer any sort of way to contact and 504 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:41,430 they just look like sort of content about the person or the 505 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:43,260 escort. But service in general, 506 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:50,610 is advertising is the maybe we don't have to go too deep into 507 00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:53,760 this because I would have to you know this, not just foster this. 508 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,610 So there's a whole bunch of other things that yeah, that we 509 00:32:56,610 --> 00:33:00,540 need to look at. But is it illegal to advertise your 510 00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:02,220 services as a sex worker? 511 00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:07,290 That I don't know? See? I don't? I don't think so. And what I 512 00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:09,990 would hope not. I hope not. I'll be honest with you. I hope it's 513 00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:14,310 not because I think some people legitimately I don't think this 514 00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:15,750 I know this. Some 515 00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:20,610 men and women legitimately use this to put food on the table. 516 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,090 Yeah. And that's not my analysis. No, that's not a place 517 00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:29,700 for me to judge it. Well, anyway. I think it's, it's, it's 518 00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:34,230 worth keeping in our mind that we that the, the podcast 519 00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:36,240 industry in general should 520 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:41,520 just be careful what we jump to conclusions about. Because it's 521 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,730 very, especially if we're doing it with AI and stuff, it's very 522 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:47,160 easy to delete something that could be a very sincere hey, 523 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,090 here's what I do is I put food on the table, you can contact 524 00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:55,260 me, you know, maybe the email address that's not on the album 525 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:58,500 RP. And I'm just saying there's different ways. And I think that 526 00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:03,630 there's any different from a lawyer who's talking about how 527 00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:06,540 great they are and contact me here. And here's, here's the 528 00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:12,660 most recent case. I mean, if it's not illegal, right, and 529 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:18,780 well, James on pod news, pod land yesterday said who is 530 00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:23,550 censorship to remove these? Yes? Well, no, no, not I think, if 531 00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:28,410 it's a real if it's a podcast, and someone's doing a podcast 532 00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:32,100 and has an actual enclosure with, you know, the, what we 533 00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:34,830 deemed to be a podcast couple of episodes, you know, whatever, 534 00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:38,730 whatever that metric is at least three minutes, then I would not 535 00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:40,950 be so hasty and quite honestly, 536 00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:44,970 you know, very successful format is 537 00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:49,230 the only fans 538 00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:54,270 and we're not far from creating just that. Or at least that 539 00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:56,700 capability. No, seriously that capability. 540 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,970 So right now the general capability Yeah, 541 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640 As we're talking, yeah, especially with the payment 542 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,200 mechanism built right in. So there's just such a fight like, 543 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:10,770 I hate to get back to that was it? He was he was dependent the 544 00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:13,500 gods, did you? I don't know how to define porn. But you know, 545 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:18,420 when you say, Oh, it was a senator. Yeah, I forget. I mean, 546 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,330 I don't want to go there. But it's, but it's pretty true. I 547 00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:25,110 mean, like, would when you the one on the ad I'm looking at 548 00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:29,850 right now, this advertised this clear spam podcast, it's clear, 549 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,670 I say clear. It's clear to me. 550 00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:38,910 But the difference between the way this looks, and the way 551 00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:46,410 another podcast looks, that may be a particular sex worker, who 552 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:52,470 is talking about what they do. And then also advertises their 553 00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:55,920 services as part of this thing? Yeah, let's just let's just say 554 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,390 it's Las Vegas, where it's legal. 555 00:35:58,710 --> 00:36:02,280 Perhaps, you know, I'm not gonna take that down. But I am gonna 556 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,350 take this down. Because I 557 00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:09,270 totally understand that this is spam. All I'm saying is the 558 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:12,150 industry in general, if the if that not our industry, if the 559 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,450 sex worker industry is serious, they wouldn't be such idiots 560 00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:18,630 about this, because now they now they have everybody going, Oh, 561 00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,960 you're spamming your, your you're polluting the system. 562 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:26,190 Whereas if you thought for two seconds, about the power that 563 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:30,450 open podcasts ecosystem provides, I think there's a way 564 00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:34,200 to make, you know, for your industry, it could be very 565 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,810 successful in multiple ways. So that's all really I just, that's 566 00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:44,940 just a podcasting 2.0 tip on how to do so now. So now on the same 567 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:50,730 tip, the the main thoughts I've had about music 2.0 Is the 568 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:53,790 legality of it. And not the I'm not I don't mean, 569 00:36:54,930 --> 00:37:00,450 the legality means that I'm just looking at it from podcast 570 00:37:00,450 --> 00:37:04,050 index. LLCs perspective. Okay. 571 00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:11,220 The last thing we need is Warner Brother, Warner Brothers going, 572 00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:16,590 Oh, that song. Yeah. Okay. It's, it's that person owns it has, 573 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:21,000 you know, has, has not registered with a performing 574 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,330 rights organization. So they can kind of do what they want with 575 00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:27,990 it distributed the way they want. But we're pretty sure that 576 00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:32,130 there's a link in there from, from a song that we had that we 577 00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:35,910 own. And so we're going to, we're going to issue takedown 578 00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:39,090 requests, we're probably going to sue you, we might sue podcast 579 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:43,260 index, we might sue the apps. This is the one thing that I'm 580 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:45,840 worried about, not because we don't have the complete right 581 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,620 and way to do it. But people will put up licensed music, 582 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,610 someone will put up prints into their feed, and and they're 583 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:57,570 going to start collecting stats for it. So how do we get around 584 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,750 all of that? That's my biggest fear. 585 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,400 We need lawyers 2.0. 586 00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:11,760 I mean, that's kind of the tongue in cheek. But um, I mean, 587 00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:18,000 seriously, we need legal advice, right? Because I don't want that 588 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,050 either. No, I want nothing to do No, no. And that's. So the 589 00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,010 problem is 590 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,880 not that we are even considering anything illegal. The problem is 591 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,530 the music industry will not go down without a fight, they will 592 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:39,000 see anything that is an alternative system as a problem 593 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,910 that may need to be eliminated, eliminated once we get big 594 00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:45,270 enough. And maybe we can fly under the radar for a long time. 595 00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,910 It may not be a problem at all. There's there's lots of 596 00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:51,750 alternative music, sites and communities. 597 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:58,380 But when you're when we are indexing things, when we are 598 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:04,500 maintaining value block information, right? You know, 599 00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:08,070 this. I also don't want to have to go through discovery three 600 00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:11,640 times a week. Like all right, yeah. So where did this payment 601 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,120 went? You know, so it's just that the music industry are 602 00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:18,090 dicks. So you're, 603 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,410 you're saying that they're gonna play dirty. I'm saying it's a 604 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:25,620 possibility. And I want to, I want to protect everybody from 605 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:28,740 that, you know, I really stopped doing the daily source code, 606 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,730 because I was playing licensed music, without without being 607 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,990 without even being able to pay the owners of it. And I didn't 608 00:39:36,990 --> 00:39:39,210 want to be made an example of because that's common. 609 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:44,130 And this is, you know, and there's so many different laws 610 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:49,500 that come into play here. So, music online, there's statutory 611 00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:54,780 rates for streaming their statutory rates for the type of 612 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080 streaming that Spotify does, which is different from a live 613 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,970 streaming playlist. At 614 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,580 The podcasts are downloaded. So now that's what's called a 615 00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:06,630 mechanical right or sync, mechanical, right? There's 616 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:09,960 Performing Rights, which would be kind of analogous to radio or 617 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,290 playing it in the club or in a restaurant, you know, which one 618 00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:16,860 really applies. The reason why we can't put together music 619 00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:20,970 shows as podcast is for all of these problems. So when people 620 00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:24,660 start putting full songs up, you better believe that there's 621 00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:27,720 going to be some scrutiny at some point. So if, 622 00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:29,880 if that's, 623 00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:33,810 I can imagine some technical 624 00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:36,180 ways to 625 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:40,650 live limit that, okay, at least. 626 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,810 Well, I mean, at least from a from the standpoint of, like 627 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:51,450 putting some human eyeballs on it. One way is it the real 628 00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:55,050 problem is with the adding the value block and all that kind of 629 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:57,630 thing, that's, that's when people start to get get itchy. 630 00:40:59,070 --> 00:41:02,490 And so I could see, already get a notification every time 631 00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:06,570 somebody adds a value block to their feed. So I could see just 632 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,640 putting in like an extra layer of this draws attention to new 633 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,690 podcasts that go in to our system, where there's a value 634 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,860 blog for a medium for a music, medium podcast, something like 635 00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,870 that, just just to take a look at it. 636 00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,710 And when maybe we get outside, your crowdsource, that already 637 00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:30,780 knew when it goes in, gets gets like goes on a public feed where 638 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:34,290 people can, can look at them and say, you know, hey, this is just 639 00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:36,750 this, this is just ripped off music, you know, this needs to 640 00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:42,150 be dealt with. Right, but just like identifying what's porn and 641 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:46,950 what's advertising, identifying some stolen lick and a song that 642 00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:49,410 song right holder is going to come after it's not something 643 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:54,600 that you and I can do. Or anybody can can do easily that 644 00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:57,930 these things will be done after the fact. And unfortunately, the 645 00:41:57,930 --> 00:42:03,120 only real way to make sure that at least we have a system to get 646 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,930 around this is when someone and maybe this happens through the 647 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:11,160 apps, or through through hosting companies. I find the the 648 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,070 onboarding of podcasters through fountain I find that 649 00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:18,240 fascinating. You know, I like that shit. I like it when you 650 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,150 know, it's like Microsoft Word. Oh my god, I'm writing in Word 651 00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:24,030 and I'm reading in Word. It's the same app. Yeah, he loved 652 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:28,290 we'd probably need to have people who want to take 653 00:42:28,290 --> 00:42:32,370 advantage of this. Give us some form of light KYC? 654 00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:39,150 Yeah, for the for the producers, I think you're gonna have to 655 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:39,660 have it. 656 00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:42,270 Because people have 657 00:42:43,530 --> 00:42:46,200 to deal dealing with licensed work. You know, it's it's, 658 00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,580 I mean, we don't have to, I'm just saying that's the best 659 00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:54,330 protection. You know, me I'm full steam ahead balls to the 660 00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:56,790 wall is rock and roll have been calling for this for a long 661 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:57,240 time. 662 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,200 Well, so the other option is do it through 663 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,790 partner with partner with other people who have the same desire, 664 00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:12,360 who already have already having CES. So I can like something 665 00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:16,800 like Bandcamp yes, there's a good idea or CD Baby, or what 666 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,740 are those? What are those companies that distribute your 667 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:20,280 stuff? 668 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,960 Yeah, no, it's not. Yeah, I know, you're talking about? 669 00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:29,400 Yeah, if we get if we just get those people involved, you know, 670 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,680 we, we can facilitate the NSA way. I mean, the podcasting 2.0 671 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,930 project already knows sort of what we're after. And we know 672 00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:45,000 how, you know, we want these things to look. And then we can 673 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,260 just go to, you know, people like, I'm just gonna use 674 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:52,500 Bandcamp all the time as a because I'm telling you tell me 675 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:56,010 what Bandcamp does. And they're like, I mean, they're the indie 676 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,700 indie release thing. So you, if you're an independent music 677 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,090 artists, you can put your stuff up on Bandcamp. And you, you 678 00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:05,760 just sell it that way. All right, so let's, let's approach 679 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,330 Bandcamp somebody here knows Bandcamp. Let's approach them. 680 00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:13,530 Let's make them an onboarding partner. So 681 00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:18,120 in a funny way, it's kind of like Buzzsprout, integrating 682 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,710 YouTube or Facebook. 683 00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:24,420 But, you know, have them integrate. So they do onboarding 684 00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:28,170 through their system and give them give them an automatic 685 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:29,370 split like the index. 686 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:32,850 Yeah, I mean, that's good. To me. That seems like a good way 687 00:44:32,850 --> 00:44:37,470 to do it because you have the big negative. Yeah, and then you 688 00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:40,080 get they get the fate they just create a feed also an automat 689 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,870 auto submit, they create the XML and just auto submitted to the 690 00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:47,430 index. I can love that. With a value block and everything. 691 00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:51,780 That's okay. I see that the chat room was flipping out. Alright 692 00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:54,000 guys, you know what to do? Because Dave and Adam don't know 693 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,240 how to do this, um, don't know how to reach out. Yeah, I'm 694 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,970 happy to do a phone call with anybody if you guys someone can 695 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,570 To set it up, that's the way to do it. Ah, okay. Well, Meeting 696 00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:05,040 adjourned. That was a good board meeting everybody. 697 00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:10,560 Yeah, I think that in you know that another global problem. 698 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:12,630 Yes. Ukraine's next 699 00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,759 we, you know, we that video you're talking about how to lie. 700 00:45:18,179 --> 00:45:21,059 There was it was it was one of those where I kept waffling back 701 00:45:21,059 --> 00:45:24,089 and forth between, between Yes, I agree. Totally agree with 702 00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:28,979 that. And, well, at the end, it kind of fell apart for me, but a 703 00:45:28,979 --> 00:45:33,989 lot of what they said in, in in between. I was like, yeah, yeah, 704 00:45:33,989 --> 00:45:37,799 you guys see you guys see it that just a little? They can't 705 00:45:37,799 --> 00:45:39,929 imagine? Well, I don't want I don't want to blow your clips 706 00:45:39,929 --> 00:45:44,429 here. So take me take us through it. And oh, no, it's you're not 707 00:45:44,429 --> 00:45:45,089 gonna learn anything. 708 00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:49,440 I just wanted to draw a couple of things. Because I've been 709 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,680 thinking a lot about this. I mean, we thought about music. 710 00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:54,630 People know anyway, but then 711 00:45:55,980 --> 00:46:01,680 one sort of line of thinking they went down that got me sort 712 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,990 of realizing what the real benefit is of podcasting, as 713 00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:09,600 music, or maybe music as podcasting. 714 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:15,870 Play clip, the feature of music clip for 715 00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:17,370 almost 716 00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:24,870 my word, my stats just blew up. Just the showcase. Alma, I think 717 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:28,260 four is the right one, because I've kind of lost track of what 718 00:46:28,770 --> 00:46:33,870 what all I clipped But and if I'm if I'm not mistaken, so they 719 00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:36,480 go off on this little thing about 720 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,120 whether or not the current generations have a love of 721 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,220 music. And 722 00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,230 if they don't, like, Why, what did that? What was the reason 723 00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:54,120 behind? Whether behind what the current music culture is, and 724 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,690 they give lots and lots of anecdotes and that kind of 725 00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,830 thing? But I think clip four is it. People don't love music as 726 00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:04,380 much as they used to. I know, that seems like an extraordinary 727 00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:08,040 generalization about that about Gen Z ers Don't you know, I've 728 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,930 died. This is just my own. You know, from talking to kids. I 729 00:47:12,930 --> 00:47:15,390 talked to kids all the time, I have young kids, I talked to 730 00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:19,140 their friends, and they're just not engaged in music. Okay, 731 00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,080 Boomer, and multi part of it. 732 00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:27,480 I think and sting said this to the fact that you can just turn 733 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,990 on a water faucet, you can get access to anything and through 734 00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:34,770 streaming, whereas before you used to buy albums and cherish 735 00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:38,820 them and own them. Absolutely. And there's something to that, 736 00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:41,670 right. And I don't, and I'm not going to I'm not going to be the 737 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:47,040 old man yelling at the clouds or get off my lawn. I don't blame 738 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:53,730 these people, because I think we have not served them well. And 739 00:47:53,730 --> 00:47:57,030 we have not given them a music culture that can engage them to 740 00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:59,520 the extent that they're capable of being engaged. And this goes 741 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,660 back to my fundamental belief that people want to have mind 742 00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:06,720 expanding experiences, and they want these transformative 743 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,740 experiences from music. And I believe that the power brokers 744 00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:12,150 in the music business 745 00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:16,200 are letting them down. They're preventing, preventing, by the 746 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,380 things that they're that they are pushing, essentially. So I'm 747 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:23,070 not blaming, I'm not blaming the young uns No, I think there's 748 00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:25,620 way there. I mean, to me, they're not engaged because the 749 00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:29,670 things that they're hearing are not engaging. Absolutely. Our 750 00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:32,910 generation is as much to blame, if not more so than this and or 751 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:35,220 maybe the people of middle younger than us, I don't know. 752 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:38,100 But still, it's the decision makers that are creating the 753 00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,060 musical culture. 754 00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:45,120 Yeah, I don't care about blaming certain generations on the kind 755 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240 of stuff that's irrelevant, but I think they hit on the, the hit 756 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:54,300 on the like, the tighter point at the end, like my kids. And 757 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,720 maybe I'm an anomaly but I don't think I am my kids love music. 758 00:48:58,410 --> 00:49:03,300 They love they love it to death. My both both my kids are in are 759 00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:07,560 in bands. My youngest, both my older kids, my youngest 760 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,580 daughter, my third, she's a drummer. 761 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,690 She's, she's probably gonna be in a band, you know, as soon as 762 00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:22,380 she can. My oldest daughter she is she takes she has taken a 763 00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:23,400 second job 764 00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:29,790 at a local brewery that does live music, pretty, pretty 765 00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:32,400 decent size acts like they had Smashing Pumpkins a couple of 766 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,530 weeks ago. And she took that job as a second job just so that she 767 00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:39,270 could get free access to see all the shows. 768 00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:44,130 And which was a great idea but she like they love music to 769 00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:47,070 death and I think they what they hit on the at the end is right. 770 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,530 It's not that this generation doesn't love music. It's that 771 00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:56,820 they don't love this music. They don't love the music they're 772 00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:59,970 getting now because that's that's just a choice. 773 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,290 If imitation of the real thing, so to speak so much like you, 774 00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:06,870 they, it's not that they don't love it, it's they love it too 775 00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:12,300 much. You can't, you can't not love music, it's it's deep in 776 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,080 the soul of man. The issue is that they love it too much to 777 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,550 settle for things that that are just imitations or, you know, 778 00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:25,350 knock offs. To me. Well, well, there's a, I mean, it's not 779 00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:29,160 dissimilar to podcasting in a way where this this entire 780 00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:35,520 group of decision makers and money and big budgets, who 781 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,370 probably get the majority of the advertising the brand 782 00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:41,190 advertising and yeah, what's the usual suspects? You know, 783 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:44,760 there's a little bit of Spotify in there, but I think Sirius XM 784 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,630 I heart 785 00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:50,820 wondery, you know, these kinds of outfits, where, you know, 786 00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:54,060 decision makers are making stuff and a lot of it is extremely 787 00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:59,940 good. But as always, and I go back to my AOL example, when you 788 00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:02,520 have when you have kind of, oh, here's the groovy garden. And 789 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,920 here's all the all the stuff people say, Well, can I go look 790 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,020 at the swamp? Can I go on the internet? Can I get a web 791 00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:10,140 browser? And then, you know, they got the web browser, and 792 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:13,620 then AOL became a dial up company, because people just 793 00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:16,860 love. That's what that's why podcasting successful. It was 794 00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:20,220 initially that we don't need no stinking transmitters, we don't 795 00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:23,340 need the big booming, powerful voice. We don't need the big 796 00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:26,910 studios, we just need to have a way to record and distribute, 797 00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:29,910 then the shittiest sounding shows are some of the most 798 00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:33,660 popular, the people who have kind of No, no, no audio 799 00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:36,570 presence and a voice or stick can still be very popular. 800 00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:42,000 Now what is popular is the essence to me of podcasting. 801 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,780 2.0. 802 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,580 We're, we're popular in our group with what we do, we're 803 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,640 kind of the only people who are doing what we do. And we're 804 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,720 supported by the people who are interested in hanging around. No 805 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,180 agenda has its own group, there's crossover, but it's 806 00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:58,950 certainly not the same thing. 807 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,740 Music can survive very well. But these guys, they still kind of 808 00:52:04,740 --> 00:52:08,100 caught up in the old system. Because who ultimately has the 809 00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,100 power, of course, it's the content creators. But what 810 00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:16,470 they've not had is an easy way to see immediate results. With 811 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:20,340 people valuing their work. It's still stats, you know, this is 812 00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:23,340 where we are with podcasting. We're still on 1.0 land, well, I 813 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:26,790 got some stats, I got 4000 here and 5000. Here, my show is 814 00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:30,480 growing, you know, whatever that means. That what you want is you 815 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,200 want the interaction you want. Of course you want some of the 816 00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:36,750 staples, which is what they're kind of hung up on physical 817 00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:39,450 product, because I watched the whole interview, like, well, you 818 00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:41,640 know, since we don't have the physical product, you still need 819 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,700 to sell I'm like super vinyl that's registered on the 820 00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:48,990 blockchain, like, Okay, once you guys go home, that was done. 821 00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:50,430 Yes, same. But the, 822 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:55,590 and I've done it, and you've seen it yourself, I just want to 823 00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:58,170 take you back to when we first started with our first value 824 00:52:58,170 --> 00:53:02,400 block, without splits or anything. And we immediately saw 825 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:06,600 Satoshis rolling in, we immediately saw that I mean, my 826 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,200 friends, you know, who are in the finance business, they were 827 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,830 flipping out. Like, this is amazing. I can't believe this is 828 00:53:13,830 --> 00:53:16,740 actually happening micro payments, and it's in real time 829 00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,010 and it's happening. And we're taking this shit for granted the 830 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,930 the joy outside of the just the fact that it's working, which is 831 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,340 unprecedented. The joy of seeing now that we have the tools of 832 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:35,220 seeing this little bits and bobs of value coming in, is something 833 00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:38,850 that musicians crave deep in their souls, that's what you 834 00:53:38,850 --> 00:53:42,360 want you even if it's five people who show up to the gig, 835 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,270 and you know, Hey, man, I love that, you know, and two of them 836 00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:48,270 are the girlfriends of the drummer, the bass player, it 837 00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:53,220 doesn't matter. That's That's where 2.0 is going to be so 838 00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:54,450 exciting. And 839 00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:59,010 take into account all of the features that we have. Hello 840 00:53:59,010 --> 00:54:01,980 Bandcamp I hope you're listening. Take all the features 841 00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:06,090 into account of chapters and links. I mean, you can you can 842 00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:07,680 literally have a link to your merch 843 00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:14,640 for a certain song or the credits, liner notes, another 844 00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:18,690 you know forgotten thing. Lyrics turns into no transcript can be 845 00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:23,850 used for lyrics. It's perfect to create a full product that 846 00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:27,960 people will happily stream sets for. Well credits to the person 847 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,680 tag for you know, the producers. Yes, the sound engineer and 848 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,780 yeah, all of this stuff. Now it's the medium of podcast is 849 00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:40,740 perfect is not only perfect on a 10. To me, it's not only perfect 850 00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:44,430 on a technical from a technical standpoint, I just had an idea 851 00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:47,520 to just another. You could literally hit me you could 852 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:53,010 literally do a sub stack of your album. Yeah. Oh yeah, he totally 853 00:54:53,010 --> 00:54:56,970 could. And that turned that's the the output an RSS feed. And 854 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,970 then kind of the responsibility of that 855 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,810 Shit is a little more on substack than anybody else. 856 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:09,570 Well, every blog post is is a track or something like that, 857 00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:14,490 you know? Or may, like, yeah, you could do they really need, 858 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,010 what they really need to do is adopt the medium tag, and then 859 00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:20,850 that's it. That's it, we can change the music business 860 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,600 overnight. 861 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:31,200 That will, the, the, the part about physical sales, I think, 862 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:36,060 um, that resonates with me, because the, the physical part 863 00:55:36,090 --> 00:55:40,170 of it again, it resonates me because I look at my own kids. 864 00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:43,440 And I look at my own kids, and I look at just some raw human 865 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,910 behavior. So 866 00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:49,170 for one weird anecdote is 867 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,890 well, I don't want to say this. 868 00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:58,770 One thing that's been stripped of the of the world sort of bit 869 00:55:58,770 --> 00:56:04,710 by bit, and it just continues to get worse, is the stripping away 870 00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:09,000 of ceremony. Like, there's no, there's no liturgy that's 871 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,180 attached to the modern world anymore. 872 00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:17,550 You going deep with me here today? But let's, let's explore 873 00:56:17,550 --> 00:56:18,660 these thoughts you're having, 874 00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:22,950 um, can I invite you to my moment, please, I'd like to 875 00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:27,690 thank you in advance for this moment. And the liturgy. And 876 00:56:27,690 --> 00:56:30,660 this is a problem within if you want to, if you want to explore 877 00:56:30,660 --> 00:56:33,030 this topic in the in the Christian world. 878 00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,300 Look, Read. 879 00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:42,360 Read Charles Taylor, he's got a lot, he's done a lot of work on 880 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,170 this about the stripping away of sort of high church and liturgy, 881 00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:52,320 from religion and spirituality. What you're left with is, is a 882 00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:56,850 religion that doesn't serve its most basic purpose. It doesn't 883 00:56:56,850 --> 00:56:57,660 fulfill 884 00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:04,020 the roles that it purports to, in and I think that's, there's a 885 00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:08,280 product that I think is it can be applied, much broader than 886 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,570 just religion. I think music is also another victim of that. 887 00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,510 There used to be they talk a lot about the ceremony or the you 888 00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:17,850 know, the the experience of going to the music store and 889 00:57:17,850 --> 00:57:22,170 buying an album. Yes, yep. Yes, that was a very meaningful 890 00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:27,870 thing. And what I see now happening is, the younger 891 00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:32,490 generation is the return of vinyl and CDs, and even freaking 892 00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:33,420 cassette tapes. 893 00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:41,220 That I think is a crying out for attaching a ceremony, or a 894 00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:46,710 meaningful action to the act of a thing that they love. They 895 00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:51,060 love music, but it's not just enough to have the music they 896 00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:55,740 want. They want an ability. I think we as humans, we want some 897 00:57:55,740 --> 00:58:00,090 sort of, I just keep using the word ceremony. And here's a 898 00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:03,150 here's a weird example of that. Have you seen the booster gram 899 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:03,870 confetti? 900 00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:09,450 Yes, that ceremony. Yes, that's total ceremony. And we have it 901 00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:13,380 in podcasts and 2.0. And we need something similar. I mean, 902 00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:15,540 that's just one of the many things I'm totally I'm totally 903 00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:21,570 with you on this. If you put in a in a refrigerator, if you put 904 00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:27,390 in a bunch of drinks, and then some of them 905 00:58:28,530 --> 00:58:31,470 if you put a bunch of cokes in there. And then a few of them 906 00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:34,500 are a bottle with a cap that you have to pop with a thing. 907 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:41,280 Pop with a bottle opener. Z most people especially young people 908 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,110 will go for those first. 909 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:47,640 Because they want there's this experience of you gotta get the 910 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,230 bottle, you'll find a bottle opener, pop, pop the top there's 911 00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:56,310 like this, this thing inside of you that's like you your weight. 912 00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:58,980 You have to go through the experience and go through the 913 00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:04,770 ceremony to to then be able to get the content. Now I need to 914 00:59:04,770 --> 00:59:09,270 give you an analogue to this. Okay, Tina and I my wife we 915 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:13,590 started a podcast Korean the keeper and it was really just a 916 00:59:13,590 --> 00:59:17,310 fun way for us to chat. I thought she would be good and 917 00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:21,090 she's have created a pod monster Apparently, she just changed her 918 00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:23,790 LinkedIn. She added podcast professional 919 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,580 and but we launched it only with the index so no submission to 920 00:59:32,580 --> 00:59:38,580 any service. no ads, no Pay Pal only only boosts and booster 921 00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:43,710 grabs. And what you just described is exactly what is 922 00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:47,280 happening to people who are saying oh, we really want to 923 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,120 donate but I don't understand how this works. It's where do I 924 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,210 get the Bitcoin? How do I get you know, how do I get it to 925 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,970 lightning? Why Why can't I buy bitcoin with my credit card? 926 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,210 Seeing my debit card what with a credit card is never works, 927 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,470 debit. So all of these different hoops, and then when they do it, 928 01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:14,520 and they succeed. Oh my god, big time liturgy on the show. Yeah. 929 01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:18,480 Because they went through a whole thing to do this to 930 01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:22,260 support. And now there's a constant that is anchored in 931 01:00:22,260 --> 01:00:25,320 their mind is a constant reminder of this happy moment 932 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,170 when it's exceeded every single time they hit the boost button. 933 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,880 That's a cool, yeah, that is a good analogy. The Nathan, Nathan 934 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,640 Gaither, I went through that the other day, he sort of on boarded 935 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,820 himself into the lightning ecosystem. He's you know, he's 936 01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:41,400 the developer of pod dot link. And I think he's at Spotify now. 937 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:42,480 But he went through, 938 01:00:43,590 --> 01:00:48,600 went through the process of that and and then wrote it up into a 939 01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:50,970 into a nice little blog. Oh, yes, I put that in the show 940 01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:54,480 notes. Exactly. It's, what do you call it? A listeners guide 941 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,140 to booster grams? Yeah, yeah. No, I love that. I've retweeted 942 01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:01,530 the heck out of that. Absolutely. So, yeah, there's 943 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:06,600 there's that whole is like if, and that's what we can. So 944 01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:10,170 podcasting is perfectly suited to sort of move into that not 945 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:13,590 not necessarily the physical because I don't think I don't 946 01:01:13,590 --> 01:01:16,890 think it's just about the physical nature of it. I do 947 01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:19,380 think people like it, and I think it helps. 948 01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:24,990 Just because of the way humans work, but, but I don't, but I 949 01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:31,170 think it can also be done within the realms of, you know, of the 950 01:01:31,170 --> 01:01:35,160 digital world. Because what's really going on there, I think, 951 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,030 is limits. 952 01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:39,270 When 953 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,660 I don't think humans operate very well, when there's no 954 01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:47,340 limits. I think it's confusing. I don't think the world makes 955 01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:52,020 much sense. Because we I think we expect limits and when 956 01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:56,850 there's not any think I think we kind of glitch out a little bit 957 01:01:56,850 --> 01:02:01,170 and when you realize the nature of podcasting is people are used 958 01:02:01,170 --> 01:02:04,830 to like you're waiting for the next episode to drop in. It's, 959 01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:08,880 it's a, it's something that's built into podcasting is 960 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,400 waiting, and then you you experience the episode, and then 961 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,150 it ends. 962 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,700 And then you start the process of waiting again, it's a it is a 963 01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:24,480 very ceremonial experience. You see the new episode pop up on 964 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,570 your on your phone, and you get excited. This is this is a 965 01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:30,630 podcast that I love and oh, there's a new one. Yeah, and I 966 01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:31,950 think the the, 967 01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:36,060 like, me and my son went to 968 01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:41,340 went to the Black Label society concert they played here in 969 01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:46,440 Birmingham, and, you know, black labels, don't Zakk Wylde. Oh, I 970 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,850 know. I know, Zach. Sure. Yeah. Is that his band in so they've, 971 01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:54,990 they came to came to Birmingham, and played here at art city. And 972 01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:57,870 it was awesome. I hadn't been to a metal concert in about four 973 01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:02,760 years. And he's a big fan. So I'm on so we went there. By the 974 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,150 by the way, being in a wheelchair. That's the best way 975 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:08,850 to get it. Right to the front, baby. 976 01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:13,080 How was our cripple doing? How's he doing? Yeah, he's doing good. 977 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:18,510 He got off the walker for the first time Tuesday. So he is on 978 01:03:18,540 --> 01:03:22,140 his own two legs to one wobbly leg but but he's on his own. 979 01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:24,900 He's on his own two legs. We should probably say that. 980 01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:27,750 Obviously. being bound to a wheelchair kind of sucks. If 981 01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:32,070 it's if it's forever. Yes, it does for sure. Just trying to be 982 01:03:32,070 --> 01:03:35,670 woke about that for a moment. Thank you. Yes. I was being very 983 01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:40,980 able. A very a very a most of you sir. But I won't say that 984 01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:45,120 the perks were nice for temporary. They were very, we we 985 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,520 went straight to the front anyway, it was it was a great 986 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,870 concert. And 987 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,600 you know, the 988 01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:56,910 the, they were saying our merchandise is in the back CDs 989 01:03:56,910 --> 01:04:00,630 and stuff are in the back like and stuff like that. 990 01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:05,070 That whole thing is like you're going to MIT. You're going to 991 01:04:05,310 --> 01:04:08,730 you're going to miss this this moment if you if you don't 992 01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:13,260 participate. And then afterwards like I was so impressed by the 993 01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:16,440 setlist I'm sort of rambling here but I was so impressed by 994 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,040 the setlist because they got a big catalog and I was like well, 995 01:04:20,580 --> 01:04:24,780 this this setlist was beautiful it was like this perfect 996 01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:30,690 encapsulation of their catalogue. And so I went in 997 01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:34,650 inbuilt a Spotify playlist of this setlist from the from the 998 01:04:34,650 --> 01:04:35,040 concert 999 01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:39,930 and then as I started playing it and after the first song was 1000 01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:44,130 over, I just turned it off. I'm like you know what? I'm going to 1001 01:04:44,610 --> 01:04:48,420 consume this setlist this playlist slowly. I'm not going 1002 01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:52,170 to blow through it. So I'll just every couple of days I'll I'll 1003 01:04:52,170 --> 01:04:55,800 play the next track because there's this fear that I had 1004 01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,830 inside that you're you built. I built this plan I had this 1005 01:04:58,830 --> 01:04:59,970 experience at the con 1006 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,320 Sir, I have a beautiful playlist of Black Label society. And then 1007 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,620 I built the playlist. And now I can just do it over and over and 1008 01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:11,250 over until I make myself sick. And I don't want to do that. 1009 01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:15,090 And the only way to preserve that is, is with some 1010 01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:18,270 limitations. You gotta, you gotta put some limits on things. 1011 01:05:19,170 --> 01:05:21,930 And well, so what you what you're describing is a whole 1012 01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:25,200 bunch of things. I think there's it's perfectly valid for 1013 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:31,290 musicians to also delay release. Yes, yes. And the escorts also 1014 01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:32,400 think that's a good thing. 1015 01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:37,740 By the hour, Yeah, not bad, right. 1016 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,390 You're professional. I'd love to see one of our app developers 1017 01:05:45,390 --> 01:05:48,510 grab this, you know, we have we have the product, we have a ball 1018 01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:53,370 in the wolf, there's, there's others, we have the the basics 1019 01:05:53,370 --> 01:05:57,060 are out there. We just need a, an example, we can show to 1020 01:05:57,270 --> 01:06:01,440 potential partner onboarding companies like like Bandcamp and 1021 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,520 say, Hey, here's, here's what it will result in. And then with 1022 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,460 the with the obvious end, by the way, you know, for your part, 1023 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,840 now, we'll add a split in, we'll add a split in the value block 1024 01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:15,780 thing, as long as you're transparent about it. And of 1025 01:06:15,780 --> 01:06:19,230 course, anybody wants to go and your usual caveat, if anybody 1026 01:06:19,230 --> 01:06:23,220 wants to go off and create their own feed and keep keep all the 1027 01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:26,250 stats to themselves, and they can do that, too. Yeah, 1028 01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:30,180 absolutely. I think we're, I think treating, treating the 1029 01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:34,770 indie platforms as who are already sort of doing this, 1030 01:06:35,610 --> 01:06:37,770 treating them the same way we would treat like a 1031 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,840 podcast hosting company. It just makes sense. Because they're 1032 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:43,620 onboarding 1033 01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:48,420 people already. They have the pipeline. And you have to sort 1034 01:06:48,420 --> 01:06:52,950 of tap into an existing pipeline in order to get people in order 1035 01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:54,480 to get the content in there. 1036 01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,360 That now I think it makes perfect sense. I just wish we 1037 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,070 had a different word than indie. 1038 01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:06,840 I know you hate that word. To use autonomous. 1039 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,940 Sovereign. I love sovereign but you know, it sounds so formal. 1040 01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:20,250 Yeah. So standing self govern these self ruling. freeborn 1041 01:07:20,250 --> 01:07:25,380 ruling. I'm a big fan of self ruling music, unsupervised. 1042 01:07:26,850 --> 01:07:30,450 I like unsual I'm gonna use unsupervised. unsupervised. 1043 01:07:30,450 --> 01:07:33,810 podcasters and unsupervised. That's truly what it is. They're 1044 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:39,450 unsupervised. Free Range. Indie. Just sounds like a bad belly 1045 01:07:39,450 --> 01:07:41,610 button. You know, I don't know it's something weird. 1046 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,110 I don't like it. I'm supervised. I'm gonna Oh, you mean 1047 01:07:46,110 --> 01:07:49,470 unsupervised? Yes, exactly. Free. I like free range music 1048 01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:53,280 free range. Oh, also good. I'll take that free range music Hold 1049 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:53,940 on a second. 1050 01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:59,190 Craft music. 1051 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,250 Hold on a second. Let's see if we can find this free range. 1052 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,240 We'll just go with the.com See how we do. So you're gonna nail 1053 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,760 it. You're gonna get it? I don't think so. Man free range. 1054 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,240 music.com. That may be hard. Almost. Yeah, I got I believe 1055 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:15,360 in. 1056 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:22,500 Almost like, ah, free range. music.com. I think I'm already 1057 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,470 we go. We're checking the database. 1058 01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:29,640 Yeah, let's take no, yeah. 1059 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:37,200 That's no good. foiled. Yeah. Well, anyway, it's a good idea. 1060 01:08:37,230 --> 01:08:40,260 There's enough people listening to I think to make this happen. 1061 01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:43,410 What we need is, we need an example. And if there's an 1062 01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:47,160 example, I can show examples, people can show examples. We can 1063 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,530 talk about it, we can tweet about it, we can we can make it 1064 01:08:49,530 --> 01:08:53,340 happen. Somewhere. Someone out there know somebody at bandcamp 1065 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,580 Yeah, I think so. They may be amazing. Maybe I can dive into 1066 01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:02,970 some of my sovereign beats. So I like that sovereign. 1067 01:09:04,230 --> 01:09:06,270 I'll delve into my context to 1068 01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:11,970 Yes, I mean, we, if we just have some, I think like all we need 1069 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:19,800 in order to kickstart the music 2.0 podcasting is just we need 1070 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,310 a, a some small size pipeline, it doesn't have to be a huge 1071 01:09:23,310 --> 01:09:26,760 one, just some legitimate pipeline. 1072 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,730 Like my muscles, music, his metal band, you know, they got 1073 01:09:32,730 --> 01:09:35,280 on Spotify, and they were really excited because that's where, 1074 01:09:35,820 --> 01:09:40,080 like, that's, that's where everybody is, is and so if we 1075 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,990 just have some sort of pipeline in no matter who which service 1076 01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:45,600 it is, or somebody that's out there already doing it that has 1077 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,560 the ability to onboard, then that creates a little bit of 1078 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,030 excitement and people will begin to want to do it, I think. Did 1079 01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:59,190 your son register with NASCAR? NASCAR with ASCAP or BMI for his 1080 01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:59,970 songs are they 1081 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,080 Just know Okay, all right. Cool. That's good to know. It's on 1082 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,680 Bandcamp too, I think. I think he's on there. He's on their own 1083 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,980 to have him send a note to somebody. Hey, yeah, I need an 1084 01:10:10,980 --> 01:10:12,330 RSS feed from y'all. 1085 01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:17,490 Yeah, I mean, like the return of vinyl. That's a real thing. I 1086 01:10:17,490 --> 01:10:20,550 had no idea how big that was. Yeah, my daughter's into it too. 1087 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,900 Oh, man, my daughter she sent me a texted me a picture the other 1088 01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:26,280 day on our way back from 1089 01:10:27,330 --> 01:10:30,990 from the from the store. She just sent me a random texts and 1090 01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:35,250 how good of a hall she got. And it was this picture of like six 1091 01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:38,970 different vinyl albums. Nice. Well, yeah, but there's more. 1092 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,970 There's more to it than that. Because, you know, the idea 1093 01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:45,750 that, that the music business is controlled and they determined 1094 01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:48,330 the culture. Yeah, to a large degree what you see, but that's 1095 01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:51,540 not really I mean, it's a gross overstatement and generalization 1096 01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:55,290 to say, you know, for them to say kids don't listen to don't 1097 01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:58,050 appreciate etc, etc. Yeah. 1098 01:10:59,310 --> 01:11:03,930 Andy Fletcher, who I knew quite well and in 1981 He passed away 1099 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,380 yesterday. Yeah, he's the keyboard player for Depeche 1100 01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:07,800 Mode. 1101 01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,270 And, you know, we hung out a bit in Amsterdam when I was at 1102 01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:17,190 pirate radio station, then they Dutch know the British. But then 1103 01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:20,040 later when I was doing countdown and of course they were on the 1104 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,030 show. So this there was kind of a now Hey, how you doing type 1105 01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:29,190 thing over the years? And it seems only 60 But I got messages 1106 01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:32,280 from my daughter from my stepdaughter. It's 25 1107 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,870 yet from a lot of younger people saying ha That's sucks you know, 1108 01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:41,940 I love just can't get enough or personal Jesus or you know, 1109 01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:46,200 there's so many different cool Depeche Mode songs. So, you 1110 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,980 know, there's my daughter's the same way she knows all the music 1111 01:11:49,980 --> 01:11:53,310 that out would that was popular when I was a kid. Tons of it. 1112 01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:53,760 Yeah. 1113 01:11:54,990 --> 01:11:56,670 I mean, she she just like she knows. 1114 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,350 It's, it's getting increasingly more difficult for me to send 1115 01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:04,770 her music that she hasn't heard, like, you know, because I'm 1116 01:12:04,770 --> 01:12:07,110 like, Hey, have you heard you know? Oh, do you know so? Oh, 1117 01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,260 yeah. Yeah, I know them. I've got, you know, it's like, yeah, 1118 01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:11,970 they love music. 1119 01:12:13,170 --> 01:12:14,190 They just like good music. 1120 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,550 I'll never forget when 1121 01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:22,140 was it? I will to Christina. 1122 01:12:23,550 --> 01:12:24,750 I'm looking it up here. 1123 01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:30,330 I took receipt to see Stevie Wonder, gosh, must be six years 1124 01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:35,370 ago. Yeah, probably six years ago. He was in Austin. And it 1125 01:12:35,370 --> 01:12:39,390 was great. Greg Phillinganes. He was the musical director, you 1126 01:12:39,390 --> 01:12:42,600 know, and, and they would get, you know, local musicians to do 1127 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,350 some string instruments. So the whole thing was great. And, 1128 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,530 and Stevie Wonder launches into pastime paradise. You know, 1129 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,240 Dune, Dune, you know, live in Moana most time living in, 1130 01:12:57,780 --> 01:12:58,200 right. 1131 01:12:59,370 --> 01:13:02,370 And Christina goes, Oh my God, that's just so awesome. He's 1132 01:13:02,370 --> 01:13:03,270 doing Coolio. 1133 01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:08,160 Coolio is Gangster's Paradise with Me. I was the same lira. 1134 01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:12,000 Right? Yeah, we're the same, the same track, basically. And I was 1135 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,870 just like, oh, okay, I think I need to introduce you to Songs 1136 01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:19,440 in the Key of Life. So yes, yes. Understand where this is all 1137 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,050 coming from. This is very exciting, Dave, I didn't know 1138 01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:24,930 we'd actually be talking about this today in this in this 1139 01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:28,500 depth, but feels like we're kind of getting there. And 1140 01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:32,700 this just there's enough interest and my goodness, how 1141 01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,460 many people have not approached me about it? Like, how do I do 1142 01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:38,250 this for music? And you and I have a different link on value 1143 01:13:38,250 --> 01:13:42,870 for value.io. But it's what people need to see as a real 1144 01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:47,460 example. And a mind boggling UI that just goes oh, okay, I see 1145 01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:52,290 it. And what's this boost? Oh, okay. I get it. We also need an 1146 01:13:52,290 --> 01:13:54,570 a pipeline. I totally agree with the pipeline. I don't know if 1147 01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:57,720 there's a smaller group we can work with, you know, hold on a 1148 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,700 second. Who was it that showed up? The guy who he was he's on 1149 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,020 the social? He showed up? He used to have the, like podsafe 1150 01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:08,190 music type stuff or 1151 01:14:09,690 --> 01:14:11,130 bad belly button music? 1152 01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:16,350 I don't think that was it. A No. Kill your film. 1153 01:14:17,940 --> 01:14:22,800 The translators handle that because I just know is avatar. 1154 01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:28,170 Well, he'd be the perfect guy to get to dive into this. Yeah, I 1155 01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:32,610 asked him about I asked him about Bandcamp this morning. 1156 01:14:32,970 --> 01:14:36,630 What what what was their like? What's their their sitch? What's 1157 01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:36,750 their? 1158 01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:42,180 What's their status? Yeah. How do they do things? And he didn't 1159 01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:44,340 reply, but I think you know, you're right. That would be a 1160 01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:47,520 good, good way to go. Because he just posted something today 1161 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,600 about some new track. Okay. I guess it's I don't know if it's 1162 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,780 his or somebody else. But the main thing is we need to be able 1163 01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:59,370 to show an interface that is not a podcast app showing music 1164 01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:59,940 tracks. 1165 01:15:00,510 --> 01:15:02,490 That was gonna be another thing I was gonna say like you need 1166 01:15:02,490 --> 01:15:06,390 you need a pipeline and then you also need the in the endpoint, 1167 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,530 which is a bet which is a music focused podcast app. Yep. Or 1168 01:15:10,530 --> 01:15:14,760 only shows music or just some or just something that if it hits 1169 01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:20,610 Music Media and music medium tag that changes bit shape shifts. 1170 01:15:20,970 --> 01:15:24,090 It Jason Evangelia This is a go. Yep. 1171 01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:27,900 Yeah, yeah, exactly shape shape shifter. But it would it would 1172 01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:30,990 be nice, though, to have just one just a dedicated, I'm 1173 01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:35,460 thinking breeze how breeze only shows value at feeds. Another 1174 01:15:35,460 --> 01:15:39,870 one that only shows music fee. Ah, well, Roy has been waiting 1175 01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:44,610 to do this. Really? Yeah, I've been talking to t what he said, 1176 01:15:44,610 --> 01:15:47,190 hey, we'll go out and we'll raise money for it. I said, No. 1177 01:15:48,540 --> 01:15:50,700 No, we're not gonna do that. I'm gonna He's just being sweet, 1178 01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:51,600 this typical ROI. 1179 01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:56,940 But no, I think he's ready to do that. And 1180 01:15:58,170 --> 01:16:00,570 yeah, now that we've kind of figured out the onboarding 1181 01:16:00,570 --> 01:16:02,790 problem, which was so obvious. 1182 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,810 Now that I look at it like, Oh, of course, we need other people 1183 01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:10,230 to create the feeds. People who already do this, who already 1184 01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:12,720 talked to the artists who already curate who are looking 1185 01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,410 for any avenue? Any Avenue? 1186 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:18,780 Yes. 1187 01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:24,750 I think yeah. It's funny. I feel like we're close, but so far 1188 01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:25,260 away. 1189 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:27,540 I wasn't gonna do 1190 01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:32,790 just one of those close and close it. Same thing I wanted to 1191 01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:36,090 mention, I got a hold. It's really, you know, I think I 1192 01:16:36,510 --> 01:16:41,850 spoke on the last episode about the new road caster Pro. 1193 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,310 Coming out, and you get it. Do you have it? No, of course not. 1194 01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:48,420 Someone hates me. 1195 01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,580 Now, I've never I've tried to reach out to that company. I've, 1196 01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:58,410 you know, of course I have. Here's what I think they're 1197 01:16:58,410 --> 01:17:02,880 completely aware of who I am. I probably wouldn't give a device 1198 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,960 to Adam curry to review either unless I really, really, really, 1199 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,490 really knew that he was gonna like it. 1200 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,470 He, it's because you know, me, I'd be like, Oh, this sucks 1201 01:17:13,470 --> 01:17:14,250 piece of shit. 1202 01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:18,750 Yeah, and it's like playing a rinky dink team when you're the 1203 01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,170 big guy and football. You just don't give that, you know, you 1204 01:17:22,260 --> 01:17:24,270 probably better not even play because what if you lose? 1205 01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:28,080 But no, it's of course, they gave it to a whole bunch of 1206 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,910 YouTubers. So there's tons of review videos and in varying 1207 01:17:32,910 --> 01:17:37,410 degrees of detail. But there was I was actually one video, I 1208 01:17:37,410 --> 01:17:38,310 think the guy might be 1209 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,860 like a retail or dealer of equipment. And he got he had a 1210 01:17:43,860 --> 01:17:48,690 slideshow, which was the training video from Rode itself. 1211 01:17:48,690 --> 01:17:51,600 And so he he didn't actually have the device there to show 1212 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,300 but he had all the screenshots too. I think they I think they 1213 01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:57,780 nailed it. I think they really really nailed it this time i pre 1214 01:17:57,780 --> 01:18:01,170 ordered one, of course. Well, how long is it going to take you 1215 01:18:01,170 --> 01:18:05,550 to get to June 18? I think is when, when, when they're all 1216 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:08,280 available or will have been shipped by that date or 1217 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:14,280 whatever. Much Is it? 699. So it's high. It's more than I 1218 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,710 think the old one was, is more than the old one that that maybe 1219 01:18:16,710 --> 01:18:21,150 100 bucks more. Okay, no, it's about the same. It's for what it 1220 01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:25,470 is. And as you know, podcasts are pro was a device that I 1221 01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:29,910 developed with the surgeon, and we weren't able to take it into 1222 01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:33,780 production. But even if we had and it was working, you know, it 1223 01:18:33,780 --> 01:18:35,670 was it was a real device. 1224 01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:41,580 We could never get the price point to 699. With this with the 1225 01:18:41,610 --> 01:18:45,360 with the physical box they have and you know, they've got a 1226 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,780 pretty powerful Quad Core processor in there dedicated to 1227 01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:53,070 DSP. They're doing some good stuff. I'm very excited about 1228 01:18:53,070 --> 01:18:57,210 it. I really, do you think it actually has the busing? And I 1229 01:18:57,210 --> 01:19:00,630 think it does. Yep. It seems like it's got all the stuff that 1230 01:19:00,630 --> 01:19:03,030 would that I even MIDI control. 1231 01:19:04,140 --> 01:19:06,990 So you can use MIDI for it. You'd use that for triggers. 1232 01:19:06,990 --> 01:19:07,290 Yeah. 1233 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,650 So if you were to see my setup, I have seven players and just 1234 01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:14,520 one 1235 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,650 what is it like just one strip above the top of one screen. And 1236 01:19:19,650 --> 01:19:23,880 so I've literally been I have a like the plate as like a bin 1237 01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,820 open next to it. So there's your clips or whatever else clips we 1238 01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:30,870 have. And so I can I drag whatever track it is into 1239 01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:33,840 whatever player I want to use that I have a very small the 1240 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,040 cork Korg nano control two, which is just a MIDI, 1241 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,570 just a MIDI controller mixer with it's very, it's like it's 1242 01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:46,020 like the size of a, I don't know, one of those children's 1243 01:19:46,050 --> 01:19:48,750 instruments where you blow in one end and it has a keyboard on 1244 01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:48,960 it 1245 01:19:51,180 --> 01:19:55,290 looks a bit like that. And so I have a button that's mapped to 1246 01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:58,650 start to stop and one to dump so it dumps the clip out and so I 1247 01:19:58,650 --> 01:20:00,000 can drag another one in and 1248 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000 typing aren't really proficient with that. So that that triggers 1249 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,190 by a MIDI. Now I could remove 1250 01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:09,930 this keyboard and just trigger all that from the device itself. 1251 01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:15,150 Oh, and and also the volume, the volume is also controlled by a 1252 01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:18,480 MIDI, so, but I really don't do much with the volume on the 1253 01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,930 individual tracks. Anyway, everything's configurable, it 1254 01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:24,480 looks good, they've got a big promise they're making, they're 1255 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,810 making a big noise about it. And from what I can tell, you know, 1256 01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:31,230 remind you they own a fax and all this other gear that they've 1257 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:34,950 that they've jammed in there for processing, it seems like it's 1258 01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:35,700 the business. 1259 01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:41,460 You know, it'll be it'll be interesting. Um, you know, 1260 01:20:41,460 --> 01:20:44,610 because I would like something like that, too. Because what I 1261 01:20:44,610 --> 01:20:47,760 want is for my EVO for a love this little device, but I would 1262 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,330 love for it to convert it into my travel device, and then have 1263 01:20:51,330 --> 01:20:54,570 something more permanent on the desk. I think, I think you'll 1264 01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:58,470 want you'll want one of these. Okay, yeah, you want one? And 1265 01:20:58,470 --> 01:21:01,500 then you know, God forbid, you can start your own clips. 1266 01:21:03,870 --> 01:21:07,230 You, you told me at one point, you're like, Yeah, you need to 1267 01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:09,390 be able to do your own clips. I think he thought better of that. 1268 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,230 I don't know. Like, no, no one I work with, does it. 1269 01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:17,310 I don't know. I don't know if the sound because you know, 1270 01:21:17,310 --> 01:21:20,010 you'll be coming through the clips will be coming through a 1271 01:21:20,010 --> 01:21:22,290 channel that is eacute for your microphone. 1272 01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:26,310 We need to try it one day, I would like to try it for the 1273 01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:29,310 experience of trying to get better and doing well. Here's 1274 01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:33,210 how it would work, I would have to almost remove my processing, 1275 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:36,210 you would need to do your because I need to have pretty 1276 01:21:36,210 --> 01:21:39,540 much a clean signal coming in from you, which means it's not 1277 01:21:39,540 --> 01:21:42,090 clean. It's got to be processing your mic. And everything's got 1278 01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:45,600 to be set up. Which of course I'm going to do with you. Yes, 1279 01:21:45,690 --> 01:21:46,110 yeah. 1280 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,370 I could noise gate myself and all that kind of stuff. Right? 1281 01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:54,330 Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that important kind of junk. Yeah. 1282 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:58,260 But we got to tune the sound. Yeah. Straight. So I would have 1283 01:21:58,260 --> 01:22:01,320 straight pipe. Yeah, I'll tell you here's an idea. 1284 01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:07,650 Value for value, baby. We've been talking about it throughout 1285 01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:12,780 the entire show. This podcast, this project, all the servers 1286 01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:17,880 that you hear humming in the background, that Cloudflare stat 1287 01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,750 machine we've got all of that comes from value returned to us 1288 01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:25,680 for the project itself by many of the stakeholders. But of 1289 01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:30,360 course people just want to see podcasting 2.0 and all 2.0 1290 01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:31,740 systems moving forward. 1291 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:38,460 For the what was the term we were using unsupervised? Or 1292 01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:41,610 unsupervised? Unsupervised content providers of the 1293 01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,690 universe. So if you get any value out of this just put it 1294 01:22:45,690 --> 01:22:48,210 into numbers return it back to us couple of ways to do it. Go 1295 01:22:48,210 --> 01:22:52,110 to podcast index.org At the bottom you see a link you can 1296 01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:56,160 support us through PayPal on chain Bitcoin and you just heard 1297 01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:01,230 a boost to Graham come in. This is the preferred way. Go to new 1298 01:23:01,230 --> 01:23:04,920 podcast apps.com Or if you want if you're one of those escorts 1299 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,080 go to new podcast. apps.com 1300 01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:12,060 say alternative onboarding. Yes. And I'll also put in today's 1301 01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:14,130 show notes. That link it's already in there. 1302 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,270 The user's guide the listeners guide to booster grams. And of 1303 01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:21,450 course, you can always hit me up if you're having trouble getting 1304 01:23:21,690 --> 01:23:25,260 to Bitcoin to SATs and SATs into the app and Adam mccurry.com 1305 01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:29,340 Happy to help. I want to kick it off with a couple of booster 1306 01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:32,130 grams that came in during the live show if that's okay. Yeah, 1307 01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,460 man Be my guest. We got brochures we got see Brooklyn 1308 01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:42,180 112 was the RO ducks 2222 with a boost. Chad Ferro 10,000 SATs 1309 01:23:42,180 --> 01:23:48,600 Hello Chad. What's a o l might need a new example. I'm 33 Never 1310 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,860 use a O L Okay. All right. You didn't have to hurt me. Noted. 1311 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:59,940 Noted servo just came in with 2222 Carolyn 9999 Go free range 1312 01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:00,540 music 1313 01:24:01,950 --> 01:24:07,650 Yeah, free range music 2.0 We have Brando sellers with 30 SATs 1314 01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:12,600 Come on, man. What are you doing with this? 30 sets? Nomad Joe do 1315 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,980 it live thanks. He says 1222 There's Carolyn with 9999 again 1316 01:24:16,980 --> 01:24:19,920 had an idea because I think approaching individual music 1317 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320 labels and your artists who are on Bandcamp directly to 1318 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,910 integrate podcasting 2.0 1319 01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:29,370 I want Bandcamp to do it Bandcamp needs to create they 1320 01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:33,570 need to be in charge of figuring out the RSS feed creation and by 1321 01:24:33,570 --> 01:24:36,660 the way, we can point them to a number of outstanding developers 1322 01:24:36,660 --> 01:24:38,490 who might have time to help them with that. 1323 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,600 She does another 9999 sat boosts Carolyn does Oh Carolyn, and 1324 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,340 it's cool because these come in as PC two. Oh 87 Live cool. I 1325 01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:53,130 would love to see Bandcamp on podcasting 2.0 That'd be so 1326 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:55,320 amazing. Let's run with scissors everyone. 1327 01:24:57,210 --> 01:25:00,000 Ambitious 500 SATs I have to call 1328 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,780 Karin back at works and karma frowny face. Sorry about that 1329 01:25:03,780 --> 01:25:04,020 man 1330 01:25:06,299 --> 01:25:10,829 floydian slips 500 Sats are we talking about Ford F 150s And 1331 01:25:10,829 --> 01:25:12,029 Ford escorts? 1332 01:25:15,630 --> 01:25:20,610 Well done Rando sellers 100 SATs boosting live with POD verse. I 1333 01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:23,250 just want to say I don't know what's going on with POD verse. 1334 01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:29,280 The pod verse boosts are really low. The numbers are always 10 1335 01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:34,140 or 30 sat. What is this Mitch? That Mitch? dashpot verse and I 1336 01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:38,100 mean what is this chat room? Can you fix that? Yeah, what it's a 1337 01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:41,130 default I don't know. Make them bigger Yeah, make the defaults 1338 01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:41,640 bigger. 1339 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,280 77 Seven D seven SATs from see Brooklyn 112 against sovereign 1340 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,330 beats. Yep. All right on the tip. With 10,000 daily downloads 1341 01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:55,350 use IPFS podcast IPFS podcasting for hosting says Freudian slips 1342 01:25:55,380 --> 01:26:00,360 of course. Why not? It would work would work well I think 1343 01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:07,350 let's see. Ambitious again. 1234 a bit of a dumbass trying to 1344 01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:10,500 figure out how to get live audio AI dot cooking for life homies. 1345 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,440 Calm Congress or bloggers ad has gone viral somehow. 1346 01:26:17,670 --> 01:26:21,060 We got we read the one from Tom Starkweather from Sean who's in 1347 01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:28,320 Cape Town. Hard Hat 22,222. Nice boost. Thank you. And Mike 1348 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:35,730 Newman. 77,777 SATs boosting while listening alive from i 27. 1349 01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:39,990 Just south of Amarillo driving with y'all scissors loves lit 1350 01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:42,480 Yeah. Driving with 1351 01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:50,250 tremely dangerous. And then Stephen B from the pre show 7714 1352 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:56,250 which he says is $2.22. So it is technically a pre show Fiat 1353 01:26:56,250 --> 01:27:00,960 little row of ducks. And it says, Oh, hey Dave, can we 1354 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,740 please get an API endpoint that returns feeds based on a search 1355 01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:07,800 term as well as the media type. We want to build and build a 1356 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,770 music app player but need the search results to only return 1357 01:27:10,770 --> 01:27:15,210 fees that have podcast medium music podcast medium backslash, 1358 01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:20,070 close the brackets. Well, isn't that coincidental? It sure is. 1359 01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:22,620 And I'm sending myself an email about that right now. 1360 01:27:23,940 --> 01:27:26,280 I am excited about that. 1361 01:27:27,630 --> 01:27:31,950 In point four medium, we want search with medium tag. 1362 01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:37,590 Filtering. floydian slips came in two hours ago with 3456. I'm 1363 01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:41,940 chronicling my journey, starting a value for value podcast at 1364 01:27:41,940 --> 01:27:45,990 podcasting for value. Thanks for all you do you non birthing 1365 01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:49,830 persons. Okay. And there's Martin greetings from Denmark 1366 01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:55,980 4321 SATs he takes, takes it in the other direction. And the 1367 01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:59,460 last one is well that's my delimiter that's comic strip 1368 01:27:59,460 --> 01:28:02,700 blogger. So that's where I stop and I'll just add that last 1369 01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:07,950 boostin which is from the NA millennial 5000 SATs. Hi, I'm 1370 01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:11,430 Adam curry and I love listening to millennial media offensive. 1371 01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:17,220 No, that's, that's our way to do it. What did they call that? 1372 01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:19,890 What do they call those in the biz? Is that like a bumper 1373 01:28:19,890 --> 01:28:22,440 promo? Promo Pro? Just a promo? Okay. 1374 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:28,050 Let's say more like an ID. Hey, can you do an ID and so this is 1375 01:28:28,050 --> 01:28:33,960 where we had to pay a sting. Can you do a I love my MTV. I want 1376 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,080 my MTV. Oh, and can you ID yourself first please. That's 1377 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,440 always a stupid question. Okay, so Id yourself and then say 1378 01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:45,570 this. Okay, so it's like, this is this is Dave Jones. I love 1379 01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:49,440 listening to K rock 97 in Detroit in a simple like that. 1380 01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:52,200 Yeah. And typically you sit down for a whole morning and you go, 1381 01:28:52,350 --> 01:28:56,190 Hey, I'm Dave Jones. I love listening to Z 100 in New York. 1382 01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,570 Hey, I'm Dave Jones. I love listening to W a PE the big ape 1383 01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:01,290 and Jackson 1384 01:29:02,490 --> 01:29:06,570 for like three hours. Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So 1385 01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:09,690 thank you all for those. Those booths, those very nice some 1386 01:29:09,690 --> 01:29:13,290 good booths in there and once again, shows the live boosting 1387 01:29:13,290 --> 01:29:18,000 is well worth the effort. Yeah, and I love how they I love how 1388 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,770 they're getting the boost bus working and they come through in 1389 01:29:19,770 --> 01:29:20,280 the chat. 1390 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:22,980 It's so cool. 1391 01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:27,660 So then I got you know, I've got to get back to find get some 1392 01:29:27,660 --> 01:29:30,240 more this API doing a lot API works and get some more of this 1393 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:35,790 API work get out of the way then I can get back to the MK Ultra 1394 01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:39,450 stuff. Where I think we can pull it all back together. Yeah, more 1395 01:29:39,450 --> 01:29:42,720 MK Ultra in my life please. Yeah, I should probably not say 1396 01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,750 it just like that. What is it? What is MK Ultra again, I forget 1397 01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:51,090 what product is this? That's that's like hella pad combined 1398 01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:54,120 with live chat and 1399 01:29:55,260 --> 01:29:59,190 in comments and it's like the aggregator for all of this stuff 1400 01:29:59,220 --> 01:29:59,940 into one 1401 01:30:00,570 --> 01:30:03,360 Like a lot where you can throw it on your umbrella and then 1402 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,730 just live have a live thing. 1403 01:30:06,779 --> 01:30:09,779 Doing all that with all the pieces. Oh, wow. And that's, 1404 01:30:09,839 --> 01:30:12,809 that's going to be a separate app called MK Ultra or will it 1405 01:30:12,809 --> 01:30:16,169 be integrated into helipad? Now it's a separate app. Because 1406 01:30:16,169 --> 01:30:19,529 it's a different it's really a different thing. The elbow pads, 1407 01:30:19,529 --> 01:30:23,219 really a bookkeeping app, and so are sort of whatever you want to 1408 01:30:23,219 --> 01:30:26,339 call it. But the MK Ultra is, we were playing with it before when 1409 01:30:26,339 --> 01:30:28,829 I was building it. And the skeleton is still there. I just 1410 01:30:28,829 --> 01:30:31,919 haven't gone back to yet. But it'll, you know, it'll, it'll 1411 01:30:31,919 --> 01:30:36,269 have the live stream. It's meant to just like publish as a page 1412 01:30:36,269 --> 01:30:39,029 and then where and then everybody can interact with it. 1413 01:30:39,029 --> 01:30:42,779 Your listeners can listen to the live stream. Okay. Yeah, boost. 1414 01:30:43,049 --> 01:30:45,539 Okay. Yes. And that's gonna, that's gonna be something for 1415 01:30:45,539 --> 01:30:48,719 the Umbral. Yeah, I think it's, I think it makes sense to 1416 01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:51,569 publish it as an umbrella app first, but then it'll be It'll 1417 01:30:51,569 --> 01:30:54,749 be just like help add, you can run it on your own box, too. And 1418 01:30:54,749 --> 01:30:59,099 then, and then, how does it How does it show up on a webpage? 1419 01:31:00,180 --> 01:31:04,710 Well, you make your view and make your Umbral visible to the 1420 01:31:04,710 --> 01:31:07,950 outside. Okay, got it. You know, this is running on a separate 1421 01:31:07,950 --> 01:31:11,100 port, so you can lock down the port and it could also run over 1422 01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:16,500 Tor. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It could, it could run crappy 1423 01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:20,610 over Tor, just like everything. Hey, man, ever since I loaded 1424 01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:25,260 tail tail scale, I have never looked back. How does that is, 1425 01:31:25,290 --> 01:31:29,130 that's working good for you, oh, oh, it's nothing but awesome 1426 01:31:29,130 --> 01:31:31,830 stuff about it. And the way I have it set up, because you can 1427 01:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,430 you can put the app on your phone. And then you can say, 1428 01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:38,730 okay, you can also say all DNS goes through 1429 01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:44,100 is basically a virtual network of VPN. And you can designate 1430 01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:48,000 which machine will be the DNS server, which of course, I is an 1431 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,930 umbrella running 1432 01:31:50,010 --> 01:31:51,690 pile. And 1433 01:31:52,740 --> 01:31:57,180 what I've discovered is that actually, using the piehole, as 1434 01:31:57,180 --> 01:32:01,980 the exit node, kind of gives me a good result on my phone. So 1435 01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,930 and the only thing it's kind of weird, is if you use any type of 1436 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,170 geolocation, which I have turned off, but sometimes like, I do 1437 01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:13,980 have a use a mapping an open source mapping program. And 1438 01:32:14,010 --> 01:32:16,770 it'll try to detect where I am. And of course, it's always 1439 01:32:16,770 --> 01:32:17,610 saying that I'm home, 1440 01:32:18,690 --> 01:32:22,080 because my exit node is home. So there's kind of that extra 1441 01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,400 benefit to it that you know, it's not necessarily webpages 1442 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:30,180 aren't necessarily tracking me to my location all the time, 1443 01:32:30,330 --> 01:32:33,690 because they have you know, cell phone points or Wi Fi or any of 1444 01:32:33,690 --> 01:32:34,140 that. 1445 01:32:36,210 --> 01:32:38,820 The potholes typically exit only I didn't even know the piehole 1446 01:32:38,820 --> 01:32:42,210 had toric no capability. I think I'm doing 1447 01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:46,770 it. I don't know, I read that line, and I'm reading it. 1448 01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:49,200 I'm reading. 1449 01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,240 HR says that changes with age. 1450 01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,610 All right. Let's get to some of our other donors here. Dave. 1451 01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:04,260 This is going downhill quickly. Speaking of double entendre. The 1452 01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:07,830 we got a donation for Dame Jennifer. Oh, Hello Dave. 1453 01:33:07,830 --> 01:33:12,990 Jennifer 3333 And she says this through Pay Pal and she says 1454 01:33:12,990 --> 01:33:14,760 love hearing Phoebe breaks through the noise gate. 1455 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,530 Yes, I'm sorry. Yeah, she says And yes, the math jingle should 1456 01:33:19,530 --> 01:33:24,210 be banned. Here's your cute a booth named Jennifer. Oh, you 1457 01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:24,930 want to? 1458 01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:29,100 She said it seemed like a good idea at the time. But when it 1459 01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:31,770 played a couple of weeks ago, I crawled under my desk and shame. 1460 01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:34,830 Your podcasting kisses? No, it's named Jennifer. Thanks, Dave. 1461 01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:35,280 Jennifer. 1462 01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:42,450 Yes, we got the debt that was named Jennifer. But 1463 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,190 we have Marco Arment. With $500. 1464 01:33:48,270 --> 01:33:53,700 through PayPal, Marco. Thank you from overcast. 1465 01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,780 Thank you, Marco. Very appreciate it. That's his 1466 01:33:57,780 --> 01:34:01,800 monthly Amen. You have no idea how much that means to us. Yes, 1467 01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:03,000 absolutely. That's 1468 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,460 that's a big deal. And if it if anybody hasn't seen, you know, 1469 01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:10,920 we know he's working on 2.0 stuff. But if I hadn't seen the 1470 01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:11,430 new 1471 01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,020 redesign from for overcast, it's worth checking out. It's very 1472 01:34:16,020 --> 01:34:16,620 nice. 1473 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,400 Oh, it is colorful and very colorful. Because it you know 1474 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:25,020 what I still use overcast for as I'm using mostly 2.0 apps now, 1475 01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:29,190 but I use overcast still because it has one feature that that 1476 01:34:29,220 --> 01:34:32,850 I've used for years, which is the upload feature. Yes, you 1477 01:34:32,850 --> 01:34:36,300 can. If you're if you're a paid supporter, which I am, you can 1478 01:34:36,330 --> 01:34:42,660 upload your mp3 ease to through the overcast website, custom 1479 01:34:42,660 --> 01:34:47,100 mp3, and it gives you an uploads playlist. And you can list so 1480 01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:50,040 like you can just upload your own stuff and listen to it 1481 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,330 through the podcast app. Oh, really nice. Yeah. I did that 1482 01:34:54,330 --> 01:34:55,200 with this. 1483 01:34:56,370 --> 01:34:59,430 With that thing that that 1484 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:05,340 talk that I clipped from earlier. I uploaded that mp3 To 1485 01:35:06,030 --> 01:35:08,670 overcast and listen to it on the net. That way I can just drive 1486 01:35:08,670 --> 01:35:10,020 and listen to things I want to clip. 1487 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,060 Buzzsprout 1488 01:35:13,259 --> 01:35:19,829 $500 Oh, wow. Thank you both boys and girls well timed. PPU. 1489 01:35:19,919 --> 01:35:25,379 Yes. That was well, yes. Yeah. And they Yeah. I was talking to 1490 01:35:26,339 --> 01:35:29,429 Tom this week, I guess pretty cool stuff coming down the pipe. 1491 01:35:29,729 --> 01:35:30,179 Yeah. 1492 01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:36,060 Talk about it. No, no, of course not. Are you under NDA? Nothing 1493 01:35:36,060 --> 01:35:36,870 under for NDA. 1494 01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:41,340 Well, you better be telling me after the show. 1495 01:35:42,450 --> 01:35:46,170 The Yeah. Thanks, guys. I appreciate that. But Buzzsprout 1496 01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:50,340 has been along with rss.com and, and others. They've been such a 1497 01:35:50,340 --> 01:35:50,760 big, 1498 01:35:51,930 --> 01:35:57,060 huge supporter. No kidding. Sustaining supporter. Fountain. 1499 01:35:58,470 --> 01:36:03,450 Square in the boys. $200. Thank you. Thank you guys. 1500 01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,810 I finally got Oscars endpoints. 1501 01:36:08,250 --> 01:36:10,260 were promised endpoints if you want. 1502 01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:17,550 Just a he needed a way to remove value blocks that they had put 1503 01:36:17,550 --> 01:36:19,770 in, like, if they messed something up or whatever. He 1504 01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:24,630 just needed, like a, like a cleanup. Point out about free 1505 01:36:24,630 --> 01:36:27,690 range. podcast.com no.org 1506 01:36:29,970 --> 01:36:32,970 is too much, and we don't really need it. Pretty long. Yeah. 1507 01:36:33,150 --> 01:36:37,710 Okay. Sorry. Just just messing around. Thank you, Oscar. And I 1508 01:36:37,710 --> 01:36:39,840 will get the rest of your endpoints done soon. 1509 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,520 Now, this is good, because we're also building like the same. 1510 01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:48,720 We're seeing stuff that he needs. And building the same 1511 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,510 thing for Satoshi stream. 1512 01:36:52,620 --> 01:36:56,550 So we'll have different will have the built disability now to 1513 01:36:56,550 --> 01:37:00,450 have parts are like so called partner in points. Okay. This 1514 01:37:00,450 --> 01:37:02,670 partner in name only, I don't know what else to call them. But 1515 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,700 like the ability for these for certain 1516 01:37:08,010 --> 01:37:11,880 people to have unique access through the API to do things 1517 01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,990 that maybe only they need. And out there's another 1518 01:37:17,130 --> 01:37:21,570 concierge API services. Yes. It's why it's right. Right for 1519 01:37:21,570 --> 01:37:23,250 You. Yes, exactly. 1520 01:37:24,690 --> 01:37:30,330 And there's another another host, large podcast as this is 1521 01:37:30,330 --> 01:37:33,330 going to start integrating with us and for submissions and that 1522 01:37:33,330 --> 01:37:35,340 kind of thing. So I've been working with them in the 1523 01:37:35,340 --> 01:37:39,600 background to also do some custom endpoints. So wow, I 1524 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,730 can't believe anchor is finally doing it. 1525 01:37:42,780 --> 01:37:43,590 Yeah, no. 1526 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:45,450 Yeah, no. 1527 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:52,140 Jesse Hunter gave us $10. We appreciate that. JC No, no. 1528 01:37:54,150 --> 01:37:57,420 Thank you, Jesse. We get some boosts. Yeah. 1529 01:38:00,780 --> 01:38:03,090 This is these are digital histograms. I didn't have time 1530 01:38:03,090 --> 01:38:06,120 to print them out today. But let's go through here. We got 1531 01:38:06,150 --> 01:38:07,950 1000 SATs from Merlin. 1532 01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:11,010 Merlin through fountain nieces. 1533 01:38:13,170 --> 01:38:16,710 First thing is don't read this out loud. Okay. All right. 1534 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,690 Thanks. Thanks, Merlin. Okay, I read it to myself. Thank you, 1535 01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:24,510 Merlin. And yes, I agree with it. 1536 01:38:25,530 --> 01:38:31,380 5552 from Satoshi stream. Thank you guys. And he just says yay. 1537 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:33,930 Yay. Boost. 1538 01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:39,750 Satoshi stream is a Dutchman. I feel I feel fairly sure. Yes. 1539 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,300 And one day, one day He will reveal Himself. Todd from 1540 01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:50,490 Northern Virginia. Send us an HD boost through breeze for 1000 ad 1541 01:38:50,490 --> 01:38:56,490 sets. Like 1920 bucks and ad Oh, nice. I love the perfect. Boost. 1542 01:38:57,180 --> 01:39:02,370 500 SAS for a set econ 101 through cast Matic. For what is 1543 01:39:02,370 --> 01:39:05,250 worth by discovery as new podcasts lately mostly comes 1544 01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:08,730 from mentions on ones already listened to sometimes insertion 1545 01:39:08,730 --> 01:39:11,880 of another podcasters episode into one of my subscribed feeds. 1546 01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:15,000 Looks me. I've even started listening to a few based on 1547 01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,780 fountain net FM clips. Well, good. Well, that sets me 1548 01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:21,900 straight, doesn't it? Shut up curry. You know what you're 1549 01:39:21,900 --> 01:39:25,170 talking about. Now, obviously, and this was a really good 1550 01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:25,800 discussion. 1551 01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:28,230 And I think that 1552 01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:32,880 hearing getting a recommendation from a from about a podcast 1553 01:39:32,940 --> 01:39:37,110 happens in many ways. And yes, if a friend of yours clips it or 1554 01:39:37,110 --> 01:39:39,840 someone you have seen a clip from before, I'm sure that 1555 01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,520 works. I'm sure it does. 1556 01:39:43,980 --> 01:39:48,540 My experience is just that it's it's always word of mouth. One 1557 01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:52,200 way or the other and even on Twitter, sometimes I'll see it 1558 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,570 Hey, man, you should listen to this in the show. And then 1559 01:39:54,570 --> 01:39:57,420 people say yeah, okay, I will. And I'm sure sometimes they do. 1560 01:39:58,590 --> 01:39:59,700 Sometimes. Yep. 1561 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,020 Many times no. 1562 01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:04,890 They don't have it sometimes. Yeah. Well, that's why I want to 1563 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,250 that's why I want the ability to advertise. Advertise on bus cast 1564 01:40:08,250 --> 01:40:12,090 using the new using the new hotness over there because I 1565 01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:16,050 feel like there's we can pick up some new listeners who would be 1566 01:40:16,050 --> 01:40:19,680 interested in the 2.0. Or how much does it cost? I don't know. 1567 01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:22,920 I don't know that. Maybe they take SATs 1568 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:29,880 anonymous. The pod friend send 1000 SATs. Thank you and he or 1569 01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:33,990 she says delegated proof of stake sucks if you have 50% of 1570 01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:36,540 the stake, great if no one has more than a few percent. 1571 01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:39,780 Sounds better. I think so. 1572 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:42,960 Was that you? Or was that no, that was 1573 01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:50,310 that was me. got me excited. Auburn Citadel sent 49,490 SATs 1574 01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:52,140 through fountain and he says what UPCA 1575 01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:54,810 what up to you? Thanks. 1576 01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:01,620 Thanks, Karen from the mere mortals podcasts and it's 13,337 1577 01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:06,510 SAS it's a long lead boost boost boost, thanks through curio 1578 01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:10,650 caster and he says much like my initial distaste of asking for 1579 01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:13,110 value from listeners I'm overcoming my distaste for 1580 01:41:13,110 --> 01:41:17,190 marketing, which I always felt was shilling spam, shameless 1581 01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:21,210 self promotion, etc. The best marketing you can do for your 1582 01:41:21,210 --> 01:41:22,140 podcast. 1583 01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:26,040 Certainly if you're doing value for value is a newsletter. 1584 01:41:27,390 --> 01:41:31,920 It really is. Newsletter is critical in the model if if you 1585 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:37,380 really you know if you if your regular with your episodes on a 1586 01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:41,040 regular day, regular time, and you can remind people the day 1587 01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,490 before Oh, remember the show's coming up? It's worked very well 1588 01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:47,820 for me. I love how you said that a newsletter is critical to the 1589 01:41:47,820 --> 01:41:50,910 value for value model and we don't do it. It's true. 1590 01:41:53,580 --> 01:41:56,250 We don't do a newsletter. No, we don't. But 1591 01:41:57,270 --> 01:42:01,590 we suck. I mean, we can't even live pod ping. I mean, hello. 1592 01:42:02,550 --> 01:42:05,820 It's obvious. We're just we're low on the totem pole. We're 1593 01:42:05,820 --> 01:42:07,200 disaster. That's right. 1594 01:42:09,150 --> 01:42:13,200 On mere mortals, I and my co host one discuss deep topics 1595 01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,020 with a light hearted touch, fitness philosophy, ridiculous 1596 01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:19,110 stories, we've got a bit of everything. Much of the topics 1597 01:42:19,110 --> 01:42:21,540 come from my reading which I cover in depth on the mere 1598 01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:24,990 mortals book reviews. And to learn about V for V the value 1599 01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:26,490 for value podcast. Yo 1600 01:42:29,940 --> 01:42:34,140 someone just hit the boost CLI four times in a row. I saw it 1601 01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:36,870 come through school. That's cool. They actually came in as 1602 01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:38,400 134 to 1603 01:42:41,340 --> 01:42:46,950 see, I've actually got a little bit of a reading okay, 1604 01:42:48,090 --> 01:42:50,250 this is from this is from the book perelandra 1605 01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:52,380 And 1606 01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:58,110 it is the protagonist is land has landed on this on this alien 1607 01:42:58,110 --> 01:43:02,700 planet as a CS Lewis book. He's landed on this alien planet and 1608 01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:07,320 he finally has found food and this this curious alien food 1609 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,920 this is a water planet so this is big orb of 1610 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:17,070 this warmish fruit. It's just like, filling to the filled to 1611 01:43:17,070 --> 01:43:22,080 the brim with with liquid in. He finally figures out how to sort 1612 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,420 of puncture the rind. He says good MIT to extract the smallest 1613 01:43:27,420 --> 01:43:31,260 experimental SIP for the first taste put his caution all to 1614 01:43:31,260 --> 01:43:34,770 flight. It was of course a taste just as his thirst and hunger 1615 01:43:34,770 --> 01:43:37,470 has been thirst and hunger. But then it was so different from 1616 01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:40,140 every other taste of it seems pedantry to call it a taste at 1617 01:43:40,140 --> 01:43:43,350 all. It was like the discovery of a totally new genus of 1618 01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:47,520 pleasures, something unheard of among men. Out of all reckoning 1619 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,940 beyond all covenant. For one draft of this on earth wars 1620 01:43:50,940 --> 01:43:54,360 would be fought in nations betrayed. As he left the empty 1621 01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,090 empty gourd fall from his hand and was about to pluck a second 1622 01:43:57,090 --> 01:44:00,420 one. It came into his head that he was now neither hungry nor 1623 01:44:00,420 --> 01:44:04,860 thirsty, and yet to repeat, a pleasure so intense, and almost 1624 01:44:04,860 --> 01:44:09,060 so spiritual seemed an obvious thing to do. His reason, or what 1625 01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:11,400 we commonly take to be reasoned in our own world was all in 1626 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,390 favor of tasting this miracle again, the childlike innocent of 1627 01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:18,660 fruit, the labors he had undergone the uncertainty of the 1628 01:44:18,660 --> 01:44:22,050 future all seem to come in the action. It's something seemed to 1629 01:44:22,050 --> 01:44:26,280 oppose this reason. It is difficult to suppose that this 1630 01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:30,840 opposition came from desire for what desire would turn from such 1631 01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,710 deliciousness. But for whatever cause it appeared to him better 1632 01:44:34,710 --> 01:44:38,700 not to taste it again. Perhaps the experience had been so 1633 01:44:38,700 --> 01:44:43,110 complete, that repetition would be a vulgarity like asking him 1634 01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:45,300 to hear the same Symphony twice in a day 1635 01:44:47,190 --> 01:44:50,520 has been the reading for podcasting tip on episode 87. 1636 01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:55,230 Oh my god, that was beautiful. 1637 01:44:57,390 --> 01:44:59,010 That is how was beautiful 1638 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,900 It's a it's just an example of putting limits on yourself like 1639 01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:06,930 some. Sometimes when you have a wonderful experience, you really 1640 01:45:06,930 --> 01:45:09,900 want to do it again. But you know, you kind of shouldn't do 1641 01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:10,290 it again. 1642 01:45:11,969 --> 01:45:15,689 Because it would ruin what would ruin it. Yes, yes. Yes. 1643 01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:20,670 So well, so well said. So well read it right in the middle of a 1644 01:45:20,670 --> 01:45:23,520 donation segment. It was it was very interesting. 1645 01:45:24,690 --> 01:45:26,700 To see people that skipped the donation stream and they miss 1646 01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:28,740 all this good content. It's the content is 1647 01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:36,990 Roy scheinfeld 4300 43,210 says, Okay, he's downsized his 1648 01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:38,940 donation it was about 4321. 1649 01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:43,020 Yeah, that's a subtle hint there. We're gonna give you a 1650 01:45:43,020 --> 01:45:43,800 lightning boost. 1651 01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:49,980 Thanks, Roy. Message received ROI. We need to talk a little 1652 01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:51,510 bit more about breeze I guess. 1653 01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:56,970 No, he says. He said you missed my boost. So double boosting, 1654 01:45:56,970 --> 01:45:59,610 make sure it won't happen again. Oh, nice. Thank you. 1655 01:46:01,380 --> 01:46:02,160 He said braid. 1656 01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:10,410 Okay, so he doubled this is a 43 to 10. He boosted that amount 1657 01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:14,370 twice. So a second message says bring Gigi Back To School Day. 1658 01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:20,970 I'm giving him a big baller for that goes to in a row 20 is 1659 01:46:20,970 --> 01:46:25,680 blades on I am Paula. I can sir cool. Yeah, baby. Yeah. 1660 01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:29,190 I'm up for being schooled by Gigi. Yes. 1661 01:46:31,140 --> 01:46:33,120 No, I deserve that. I deserve it. 1662 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:39,870 Timmy 2383 and 5000 SATs through fountain and he says boost your 1663 01:46:39,870 --> 01:46:45,720 baby boost. Boost. Don't just stand there post. Martin up what 1664 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,050 up Martin from Denmark. Our buddy. Through pod friend he 1665 01:46:49,050 --> 01:46:51,600 says greetings from Denmark 4321. 1666 01:46:52,650 --> 01:46:53,670 Thank you Martin. 1667 01:46:55,230 --> 01:47:00,450 floydian slips sent 3456 s through fountain he says I'm 1668 01:47:00,450 --> 01:47:04,410 chronicling my journey. staining. staining. Well, this 1669 01:47:04,410 --> 01:47:08,940 is white. So I think I already read this one. Because it was 1670 01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:12,390 the same misspelling. Start oil starting value for value 1671 01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:15,030 pockets. Maybe we're overlapping at this point. We are at this 1672 01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:18,300 point we're overlapping but that's weird. Because did you 1673 01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:22,530 get CASP? eland? No, I did not. I did not get cast. Okay. Cast 1674 01:47:22,530 --> 01:47:26,610 peeling since three cents. 3690 says and he says informative 1675 01:47:26,610 --> 01:47:30,330 show. Thanks for the work. Welcome. We do our best man. 1676 01:47:32,730 --> 01:47:38,610 That was quite informative. Jim. Yes. Mitch said as an 1833 1677 01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,540 through pod verse. Of course. He said, send bitcoin to podcasters 1678 01:47:42,540 --> 01:47:46,950 instantly using pod verse plus lb. Yes. How's that working? Is 1679 01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:50,790 that I do I need to do one of those hook up the lb to see how 1680 01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:52,920 it works. So I have my pod verse hooked up to 1681 01:47:54,420 --> 01:47:56,610 an airline pay wallet I think. 1682 01:47:57,900 --> 01:48:01,680 I don't it's been I looked at the report the other day and pod 1683 01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,960 verse buffers has always been, 1684 01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:07,530 you know, has always been low because they didn't they just 1685 01:48:07,530 --> 01:48:11,250 had the beta and pod verse. But there it looks like they're 1686 01:48:11,250 --> 01:48:14,400 starting to get more boost activity through. Yeah, it's 1687 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,400 just those defaults of 10 SATs is just not going to get you on 1688 01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:18,090 the leaderboard. 1689 01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,500 Yeah, bring that up. I don't know what's going on with it. 1690 01:48:23,610 --> 01:48:27,690 Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Man. Mixer, mixer, send 1000 SAS 1691 01:48:27,690 --> 01:48:31,410 through fountain in an excerpt from the podcast index dot 1692 01:48:31,410 --> 01:48:34,890 social. He says Adam, you said don't email but talk to Chris 1693 01:48:34,890 --> 01:48:37,470 last about podcasting from Linux. He's been running a 1694 01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:40,560 network of shows for a decade almost solely on Linux. He's a 1695 01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:44,640 great resource. Thanks. Yeah, yeah, Chris Fisher is a great 1696 01:48:44,670 --> 01:48:46,290 great resource and everything Linux. 1697 01:48:48,540 --> 01:48:53,040 Sea booster grams, and at the end we get the delimiter mastery 1698 01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:58,080 blog mixer blogger everybody 15,033 SAS through fountain. He 1699 01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,200 says, howdy, David. Adam. Are you prepared for world war 1700 01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,860 three? Hell, anyways, okay. 1701 01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:10,740 Anyways, I invite you to listen to our podcast. Okay, this is 1702 01:49:11,670 --> 01:49:14,520 this is the art of the not the Polish must be experts and non 1703 01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:15,060 sequiturs. 1704 01:49:16,860 --> 01:49:18,870 I invite you to listen to our podcast about artificial 1705 01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:22,320 intelligence read by Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from 1706 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,340 Kent. Just enter AI dot cooking into your web browser or in any 1707 01:49:26,340 --> 01:49:29,520 podcasting app. Yo, yo. 1708 01:49:30,630 --> 01:49:32,910 Thank you, Commissioner BlogHer. Appreciate that. 1709 01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:37,440 And that's it. That's it. Yeah, that's our group. Thank you all 1710 01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:41,640 very much. Especially thanks for everyone who up there sat amount 1711 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,300 knowing that we are slowly transitioning from the Fiat fun 1712 01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:48,150 coupons of PayPal towards the full loan. 1713 01:49:50,430 --> 01:49:53,670 Bitcoin standard with the Satoshis that I mean, it's 1714 01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:57,510 working. But it's really, you know, I was gonna ask you this. 1715 01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:59,100 How are we on 1716 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,490 The value for value enabled feeds How many do we have? We 1717 01:50:05,490 --> 01:50:08,340 got like how many? Yeah, I think this is an interesting metric. 1718 01:50:08,340 --> 01:50:09,900 And I've been keeping track 1719 01:50:11,190 --> 01:50:15,570 in my own crappy way. Let me see. Which means I just, I'm 1720 01:50:15,570 --> 01:50:19,440 just writing some stuff down. Hold on. I have here. 1721 01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:27,570 I think it's about is growing in about 10. A day. so on. So on 1722 01:50:27,570 --> 01:50:34,350 Thursday, May 19. So a week ago, we had 6650. Then this past 1723 01:50:34,350 --> 01:50:41,460 Sunday, we had 6683. And now we have 6761. 1724 01:50:43,470 --> 01:50:47,850 So that's not five days, and how many how many extra? Do we get 1725 01:50:47,850 --> 01:50:48,300 there? 1726 01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,570 I'm just writing this down. 67. What 6761? 1727 01:50:55,980 --> 01:51:03,000 On a start up, pulled up the podcasts by tag podcast value 1728 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,500 tag in point. And well, it's moving really slow. I hope it 1729 01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:11,010 won't crash, clean for heat. Maybe that was a bad decision. 1730 01:51:11,130 --> 01:51:15,300 Why would it? Why would it go? Okay. It's a lot of it's a lot 1731 01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:18,390 of data. It returns all the podcast data from all the fields 1732 01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:19,200 that have valuable. 1733 01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:21,900 Well done, Dave. Yes. 1734 01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:37,590 I want to do 6761, the minus 6683 is 78 divided by five is 1735 01:51:37,590 --> 01:51:40,080 well, if only we had a math jingle that wasn't banned. 1736 01:51:42,900 --> 01:51:46,290 We can't use that. Okay, so that's about 15 a day. So it's 1737 01:51:46,290 --> 01:51:48,570 cranked up a little bit. It's been about 10 a day, and now 1738 01:51:48,570 --> 01:51:51,210 we're at 15. This is a metric I think I want to follow. 1739 01:51:52,260 --> 01:51:56,100 Okay. kantanmt. Can I have an endpoint? Do you want to report 1740 01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:59,940 a daily report? I would love a report. I would love a report 1741 01:51:59,940 --> 01:52:00,840 that gives me 1742 01:52:02,460 --> 01:52:06,060 yeah, how many new ones? Well, you're exactly the same as the 1743 01:52:06,090 --> 01:52:10,920 as the key send report? Yes, I'll set you up. A TPS report. 1744 01:52:11,010 --> 01:52:14,520 Yes. TPS report on a cron job on a cron job. 1745 01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:20,760 Really appreciate this, though. This is so much is happening so 1746 01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:22,350 much is going down. 1747 01:52:23,850 --> 01:52:27,330 I mean, we practically show up I show up now. I mean, you send 1748 01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:32,790 you send clips. But man, this just, we can just start talking. 1749 01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:35,460 There's so much to talk about. I'm sure we're missing a ton of 1750 01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:38,730 stuff people want to hear about. But no one's submitted anything 1751 01:52:38,730 --> 01:52:40,470 for the board meeting. So Neener Neener. 1752 01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:44,790 If anybody wants to submit Yeah, anybody can send clips anytime 1753 01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:47,790 they want to. Oh, crap. We almost forgot the monthly pet. 1754 01:52:47,850 --> 01:52:53,280 Oh, no. No, we do need these. Yes. Sorry. I sorry. C pod news. 1755 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,470 $50. Thank you, James. Thank you. 1756 01:52:56,910 --> 01:53:03,810 Jeff Miller $20 and Shawn McCune $20 dribs got $15 1757 01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:10,980 Todd's Minsky $11.11 James Sullivan $10 Christopher Raymer 1758 01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:17,250 $10 and Jordan Dunnville $10.02 coats $6.66 Michael Kimmerer 1759 01:53:17,250 --> 01:53:21,060 $5.33 Charles current $5 1760 01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:29,160 Naco Gagan $5 Cohen glotzbach $5 and Leslie Martin $2. Thank 1761 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,430 thanks all of you. Yeah, I'm glad glad you caught that. 1762 01:53:32,460 --> 01:53:35,700 Thanks. victory from the jaws of defeat. Yeah, and these 1763 01:53:35,700 --> 01:53:38,670 monthlies are also very important and you can do it 1764 01:53:38,670 --> 01:53:42,510 through a Pay Pal monthly subscription or set up a cron 1765 01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:42,900 job 1766 01:53:44,340 --> 01:53:45,660 with the boost CLI 1767 01:53:46,860 --> 01:53:50,820 please I'm gonna do that by the way if you Why not go into I was 1768 01:53:50,820 --> 01:53:53,460 considering setting up the boost CLI for a couple of my favorite 1769 01:53:53,460 --> 01:53:57,030 podcasts as well separate wallet you know, just dump some stats 1770 01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:59,490 in there periodically and just fire stuff off. 1771 01:54:01,140 --> 01:54:05,370 And just a last note on that stuff. I think everybody's got 1772 01:54:05,370 --> 01:54:08,250 their T shirts now so if you don't tell me that I think I 1773 01:54:08,250 --> 01:54:11,520 think that's all handled now. Excellent finally after a year 1774 01:54:13,290 --> 01:54:16,890 Well y'all get t shirt order ever we had to look Come on 1775 01:54:16,890 --> 01:54:20,550 people we had a supply chain problems now we do we still have 1776 01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:22,260 podcasts index dot shop 1777 01:54:23,670 --> 01:54:26,370 I guess let me just I don't know I don't know if we actually we 1778 01:54:26,370 --> 01:54:31,530 have a Dutch shop I think so. In when that in a shop guys. Yeah. 1779 01:54:32,250 --> 01:54:36,690 Yeah. Podcast index dot shop. Yeah, exactly. So there's yeah, 1780 01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,010 there's there's merch. 1781 01:54:39,180 --> 01:54:42,210 You can get this podcast in the shop on vinyl and on cassette 1782 01:54:42,210 --> 01:54:42,720 tape 1783 01:54:48,090 --> 01:54:51,360 so yeah, and of course there's the podcasting 2.0 certified, 1784 01:54:51,630 --> 01:54:56,610 and details on how you by supporting the the index and the 1785 01:54:56,610 --> 01:54:59,970 project podcasting 2.0 and get one of those. We saw a 1786 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,170 as to who was wearing when the other day of the conference? Was 1787 01:55:04,170 --> 01:55:07,410 that Benjamin? Yeah. Benjamin Bellamy Benjamin Bellamy. Yeah, 1788 01:55:08,340 --> 01:55:09,300 look very good. 1789 01:55:10,650 --> 01:55:13,530 I wonder if people ask him about that to do what's up with a T 1790 01:55:13,530 --> 01:55:13,920 shirt. 1791 01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:20,370 And Nathan, Nathan also has been working on we've we kind of 1792 01:55:20,370 --> 01:55:26,100 resurrected the, the push for a universal stitches subscription 1793 01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:33,030 idea and t, I think he just published his blog post about 1794 01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:38,370 it, which I will tweet out and link to. But it means the thing 1795 01:55:38,370 --> 01:55:42,030 we've, you know, we've talked about before and it's been it's 1796 01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:44,520 been a, you know, done attempted in the past 1797 01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:48,630 to get you know, an idea is that there is no us sort of like 1798 01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:52,050 universal subscription mechanism for 1799 01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:57,090 for podcasts. Right? This has been a problem for quite a 1800 01:55:57,090 --> 01:55:59,970 while, long, long, long time. And there's been various 1801 01:55:59,970 --> 01:56:02,250 attempts to have a go at it. 1802 01:56:04,590 --> 01:56:08,520 That sort of his, he sort of lays out the approach and and I 1803 01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:09,450 liked the way he's 1804 01:56:10,530 --> 01:56:12,480 moving on this, because 1805 01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:15,840 it's very pragmatic sort of 1806 01:56:17,850 --> 01:56:21,750 let's, let's just go ahead and do it. Very, very podcasting, 1807 01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:25,050 tip analysis, go ahead and do it. And then 1808 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,130 do it. And then, on the technical side, make make sure 1809 01:56:29,130 --> 01:56:35,700 that it's done in a way that has a new ability that hasn't been 1810 01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:39,900 possible in the past, which can, which, you know, we'll create 1811 01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:45,240 some excitement around it. And then finally once, and then 1812 01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,120 we'll carve out an A, a workaround for the Apple 1813 01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:52,050 problem, which has always been the was the one Yeah. And then 1814 01:56:52,050 --> 01:56:55,740 after the fact, we campaigned for Apple to ratify this thing 1815 01:56:55,740 --> 01:56:56,520 that's in use. 1816 01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,310 You never know. No, I think I mean, I think it's, I think it 1817 01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:05,040 makes sense. It's so so what he's put together is 1818 01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:11,340 he's he says it like this, I think podcasting should work 1819 01:57:11,340 --> 01:57:15,690 around Apple, demonstrate demand, and then pressure Apple 1820 01:57:15,690 --> 01:57:18,150 to give users control over the preferred podcast app. 1821 01:57:19,740 --> 01:57:21,810 I think that's about all you that's about the best you can 1822 01:57:21,810 --> 01:57:22,290 hope for. 1823 01:57:23,580 --> 01:57:26,580 As long as the mission shouldn't be to get Apple to do it, the 1824 01:57:26,580 --> 01:57:30,150 mission is to get everybody to do it. Right. Yes, that and and 1825 01:57:30,150 --> 01:57:33,210 getting that's the easier part. I mean, that's almost, you know, 1826 01:57:33,210 --> 01:57:33,810 a given. 1827 01:57:34,830 --> 01:57:40,440 But so here's, here's his idea, you is to sort of 1828 01:57:42,060 --> 01:57:49,500 extend the P cast protocol scheme. So that's P cast, colon 1829 01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:54,060 slash slash, and then yes, some use some universal link, some 1830 01:57:54,060 --> 01:57:55,140 universal URL. 1831 01:57:56,910 --> 01:58:03,120 And that's so you, you take that idea, that protocol scheme, and 1832 01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:07,650 then you have have a URL on it, but then take it further, 1833 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:13,620 because the P cast URL in the past has only been able to, to 1834 01:58:13,650 --> 01:58:17,490 provide a subscription mechanism to sort of to take you to a 1835 01:58:17,490 --> 01:58:20,790 podcast, right? And he's like, Well, now what we should do is 1836 01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:23,460 add the ability for it to take you all the way down into an 1837 01:58:23,460 --> 01:58:24,090 episode. 1838 01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:28,740 So that you can hit this link, and it opens up your preferred 1839 01:58:28,740 --> 01:58:32,640 podcast player and takes you to the correct episode. Well, to do 1840 01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:33,540 that, though, 1841 01:58:35,790 --> 01:58:41,430 some apps support that some don't. Some, some do not support 1842 01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:44,490 a way to go all the way down to the pot to the actual episode 1843 01:58:44,490 --> 01:58:52,410 level. And for those that don't, you know, we would have to sort 1844 01:58:52,410 --> 01:58:56,280 of work around that as well. But you can, there would be some 1845 01:58:56,280 --> 01:59:01,650 sort of like, okay, if you're, it'd be like PKS colon slash 1846 01:59:01,650 --> 01:59:04,380 slash and then URL. And then 1847 01:59:05,490 --> 01:59:09,210 and then like a episode guid didn't do that Microsoft 1848 01:59:09,210 --> 01:59:11,190 actually support this at one point. 1849 01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:18,060 I think the Ping i remember P cast. That that goes back to 1850 01:59:18,060 --> 01:59:19,560 like Windows Phone. 1851 01:59:20,700 --> 01:59:25,020 Yes. I think it has been it has been around. Yeah. Okay. Well, 1852 01:59:25,020 --> 01:59:28,350 I'm all for bringing something back. That just was, you know, 1853 01:59:28,410 --> 01:59:32,340 wasn't at the right time. There it is. Was it here it is 1854 01:59:32,340 --> 01:59:36,300 handling URI schemes, P cast by third party apps Windows Phone 1855 01:59:36,300 --> 01:59:42,060 8.1. Baby. Nailed it. Mm, nice. Look at that memory be 12. 1856 01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,550 All right, cool. Well, that was that would be a big win. We 1857 01:59:47,550 --> 01:59:51,510 already have Microsoft onboard. So well then there's windows. 1858 01:59:55,050 --> 01:59:58,770 Yeah, so we're getting we're halfway there. We got one of the 1859 01:59:58,770 --> 01:59:59,610 big guys 1860 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,680 But I don't know. Does Android support P Casta? They probably 1861 02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:09,570 do. I would think so. I'm not sure. I mean, graphene OS, you 1862 02:00:09,570 --> 02:00:12,330 can set anything you want for anything, basically. So you 1863 02:00:12,330 --> 02:00:14,790 know, that's, I'm just ahead of the curve on that. Don't worry, 1864 02:00:14,790 --> 02:00:17,520 everyone will be using it eventually. Did you see the 1865 02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:18,180 apple? 1866 02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,670 Watch wallet if you want to put your, your ID in there? Because 1867 02:00:23,670 --> 02:00:27,000 you know, in America, we're now moving towards the what's it 1868 02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,220 called? Real ID, 1869 02:00:30,660 --> 02:00:34,800 part of your driver's license and all this stuff. So star on 1870 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,830 it and all that. I mean, like, Give me a break. Yeah. Well, 1871 02:00:37,860 --> 02:00:40,230 here's the groovy part from their terms and service. Now 1872 02:00:40,230 --> 02:00:41,250 this is when you're, 1873 02:00:42,690 --> 02:00:45,270 if you're using it to put like your passport or your driver's 1874 02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:48,570 license in let me see if I can find this real quick. 1875 02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:52,710 Oh, gave me gave that to me. 1876 02:00:54,210 --> 02:00:58,140 And in some places, this is called Star ID secure trust and 1877 02:00:58,140 --> 02:01:01,980 reliable. And yes, it is you put a yellow star on your ID and we 1878 02:01:01,980 --> 02:01:06,720 can we can we not do that, please? It is a little weird. I 1879 02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:07,140 agree. 1880 02:01:08,370 --> 02:01:13,950 I can't find it that quickly. But what it says. So when you do 1881 02:01:13,950 --> 02:01:17,010 the onboarding, then you know there's a whole bunch of stuff 1882 02:01:17,010 --> 02:01:20,070 you have to put in there a lot of information and they say you 1883 02:01:20,070 --> 02:01:24,090 know to prevent fraud. We will I don't know if they will do it at 1884 02:01:24,090 --> 02:01:27,780 any moment or upon request but they will give I wish I had the 1885 02:01:27,780 --> 02:01:32,220 exact language, your state information about your device, 1886 02:01:32,220 --> 02:01:35,910 your device usage habits, your head movements. 1887 02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:44,850 Yeah, it's really funny. So I saved it somewhere. Yeah, 1888 02:01:45,930 --> 02:01:49,560 that's the that's the day this phone stays at home and in 1889 02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,470 locked in a box. Right? Well, I'm pretty sure that that's it's 1890 02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:56,850 really happening. No, yes. That's it's not happening in 1891 02:01:56,850 --> 02:01:59,490 this house. Oh, no, but it's happening. It's happening out 1892 02:01:59,490 --> 02:02:03,090 there in the real world. Didn't Utah do it? Weren't they like 1893 02:02:03,090 --> 02:02:05,670 all on board for some weird reason? Everybody's All right. 1894 02:02:05,670 --> 02:02:09,210 Every state Texas is onboard. I already have my driver's license 1895 02:02:09,210 --> 02:02:13,440 with Real ID of course, it's automatic it you know, you're 1896 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:16,560 not gonna get around it. But not me. You can't put that star on 1897 02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:19,080 Monday on my license. Okay, well, yeah, you 1898 02:02:20,100 --> 02:02:24,210 good luck. I'll just drive everywhere. Good luck. Are you 1899 02:02:24,210 --> 02:02:29,850 dry? You driving to Dallas for the for the big podcast thing? 1900 02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:33,600 Yep. I'm a driver, not a flower, baby. Okay, how long was that? 1901 02:02:33,630 --> 02:02:34,470 How long is the drive? 1902 02:02:35,490 --> 02:02:39,870 to Dallas? It's 11 hours to Austin. Well, why don't you come 1903 02:02:39,870 --> 02:02:43,530 to our place first. Okay. And then we'll, we'll drive up 1904 02:02:43,530 --> 02:02:47,460 together. Okay. Yeah, sounds good. If you want. I mean, you 1905 02:02:47,460 --> 02:02:48,090 don't have to be 1906 02:02:49,410 --> 02:02:52,200 invited anymore. Go to Dallas. Wait, what? 1907 02:02:54,540 --> 02:02:55,500 Are you like, Oh, I 1908 02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:58,590 just happen to know that my 1909 02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:04,620 arms are from because I'm Google mapping Dallas background. 1910 02:03:06,450 --> 02:03:08,190 The process that I got de invited 1911 02:03:10,290 --> 02:03:14,490 URI invited years of course invited anytime, anytime. All 1912 02:03:14,490 --> 02:03:17,460 right. Are we done? Should we close this out at two hours and 1913 02:03:17,460 --> 02:03:21,300 three minutes? I think we've probably run the gamut. Here. 1914 02:03:21,300 --> 02:03:24,750 We've exhausted all podcasting. 2.0 topics for the week, I 1915 02:03:24,750 --> 02:03:28,950 think. All right. So lots to do this week coming up. I'll be out 1916 02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:32,490 of pocket a little bit. Tuesday. I start my my first 1917 02:03:33,930 --> 02:03:35,520 reconstruction session. 1918 02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:37,380 My mouth 1919 02:03:38,730 --> 02:03:40,710 Wait, what? I'm getting all my teeth done. 1920 02:03:41,820 --> 02:03:46,620 Oh, oh, that sounds scary. Oh, it's very scary. This is I 1921 02:03:46,620 --> 02:03:51,450 probably should have done this seven or eight years ago. It's 1922 02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:57,060 it's mainly genetics. Yeah, so but I have I've had a lot of 1923 02:03:57,060 --> 02:03:59,970 work done in the past all kinds of cosmetic and now we have to 1924 02:03:59,970 --> 02:04:04,140 go and do the real work of basically taking a wrecking ball 1925 02:04:04,140 --> 02:04:09,000 to my face and reinstalling implants and everything. 1926 02:04:10,020 --> 02:04:12,930 Which means we need a lot more boosts on my other shows. 1927 02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:18,690 No agenda a lot. And curry Are they are they going to be like 1928 02:04:18,690 --> 02:04:21,150 doing it a little bit at a time so they don't wreck you all at 1929 02:04:21,150 --> 02:04:23,040 once? Or is it just well they have to do a little bit at a 1930 02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:27,750 time so I can afford it. Yeah, it's a man didn't work it's so 1931 02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:31,530 expensive. Yeah, it's it's probably going to be a small car 1932 02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:35,580 by the time I'm done but dammit it really has to be done because 1933 02:04:36,510 --> 02:04:39,210 I don't want to be like my parents ad and spitting out 1934 02:04:39,210 --> 02:04:42,870 teeth or my mom who you know literally had in her will do not 1935 02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:46,050 let me die without my without my teeth in 1936 02:04:47,130 --> 02:04:48,360 which we didn't. We 1937 02:04:49,530 --> 02:04:52,110 don't want to. I don't want to be dead there and it was great. 1938 02:04:52,110 --> 02:04:55,620 She she was dead. Get a grip. Perfect Smile. Great teeth. 1939 02:04:57,060 --> 02:04:57,570 All right. 1940 02:04:59,580 --> 02:04:59,970 We'll be 1941 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,120 Look at next week right here on the board meeting. Have a good 1942 02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:04,260 one. Have a great weekend Dave. 1943 02:05:05,370 --> 02:05:06,750 Hi buddy. Talk to you next week 1944 02:05:21,570 --> 02:05:26,100 you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1945 02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:28,800 index.org For more information