Episode 88: Hittin' the Hockey Stick

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June 3 2020, to Episode 88. We're 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:11,640 hitting the hockey stick. Hello, everybody. time once again for 3 00:00:11,670 --> 00:00:14,580 your weekly board meeting. I know I'm sorry, we're working 4 00:00:14,580 --> 00:00:17,910 overtime a little bit late. But you know, we did bring the 5 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:21,840 scotch. So, and some other accoutrements. This is where we 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,630 talked about everything happening at podcast index.org 7 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:27,600 the podcast standards and namespace and of course, we're 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,950 the real creative juices podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:31,950 --> 00:00:34,320 here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,530 your private chauffeur of the namespace roadmap my friend on 11 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:40,170 the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones 12 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:42,420 accoutrement. 13 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:46,530 Yes, well, we're a fancy boardroom, you see, we have a 14 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:47,940 cooter mom and I bought room. 15 00:00:48,390 --> 00:00:51,330 Did you notice instead of donuts we have course all 16 00:00:51,390 --> 00:00:59,700 Yes. With homage croissant avec homage. Hey, the show is lit. 17 00:01:00,390 --> 00:01:04,230 This show is. This is so exciting. What just happened, 18 00:01:04,230 --> 00:01:07,470 which of course, anyone who's listened to the podcast has no 19 00:01:07,470 --> 00:01:10,050 idea what happened. And I don't know if we can ever recreate the 20 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:12,450 excitement that we witnessed the fact that should have been 21 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:13,950 recording I think about it. 22 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:20,310 Yeah, the that was also first first test run of the live pod 23 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:25,650 paying notification in detection in the web hook receiver. 24 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:27,990 Wow, that is a horrible way to explain it. 25 00:01:30,210 --> 00:01:33,240 Take all the excitement and just suck every bit of it out. 26 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:39,330 What happened was, I started the live stream. And then I updated 27 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:42,900 through sovereign feeds. I updated the podcast and 2.0 28 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:47,790 podcast feed. And I'm we're looking at the chat room. And 29 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:51,510 all around the world. People got a ping on their phone that said, 30 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:56,610 hey, podcasting 2.0 is live. You click opens up, you start 31 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:59,820 listening and the chats right there. And we literally saw 32 00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:02,790 people just flow into the chat room one after another. It was 33 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:05,520 that's that's what happened. That's what you just said. 34 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:10,230 Yeah. That's what I said in the most boring way possible. Now 35 00:02:10,230 --> 00:02:12,990 okay, so let me say, let me let me talk about it. Because 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,850 definitely, the web hook is what Stephen put into sovereign feed. 37 00:02:17,850 --> 00:02:21,240 So that's what sovereign feeds is how you generate the feed 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:27,570 these days. And so he put in the web hook feature, where when you 39 00:02:27,570 --> 00:02:31,470 generate the feed, you can say, Okay, send it to this server. 40 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:36,210 And it sends the feed the XML for the podcast, feed, it sends 41 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:39,690 it through a get request, or a post or whatever, do a post 42 00:02:39,690 --> 00:02:45,060 request to the server that you chose. And then so what what I 43 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:51,000 added this week in, Alex helped me get the Docker container, 44 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:57,600 Hive writer set up. So I got that on the web hook receiver 45 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,900 server, and this is just a cheap five bucks server. So I've got 46 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:05,160 that on there. So then when they when the XML for the feed comes 47 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,380 in, when you send it through sovereign feeds, it looks for 48 00:03:10,410 --> 00:03:15,180 pod for status. In the live item, it looks for the live 49 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:18,960 item, it looks for status equals live. And if he sees that 50 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,010 attribute, it sends the live pod pink, so you don't have to do an 51 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:23,760 extra step. 52 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:27,240 It's Rube Goldberg, only. It's not with scotch tape. It's 53 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,700 actually bolted together pretty solid. 54 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:34,230 Yeah, amazing. We actually have bolts and nuts and, you know, 55 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:36,840 like wrenches and stuff. I mean, this is actually turning into 56 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,040 real tools here instead of just, you know, gaffer tape. No, I 57 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,270 mean, like, I was holding my breath. But it's just straight 58 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:47,880 out word, I got the notification. So the cool part 59 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,560 is you, you set up the feed, and then you just hit Send a use. 60 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:52,770 That's 61 00:03:52,770 --> 00:03:54,930 all I had. That's all I had to do. That's all I had to do. 62 00:03:55,290 --> 00:03:57,960 And then all the rest of it just happens. Yeah. 63 00:03:57,989 --> 00:04:01,799 I mean, we monitored everything. But yeah. And you know, with for 64 00:04:01,829 --> 00:04:05,879 years now, we've been doing the bat signal on no agenda. And 65 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:09,449 that's still manual. I'm literally copy pasting putting 66 00:04:09,449 --> 00:04:14,069 that into a tweet. This there's some bot pocket no agenda, I 67 00:04:14,069 --> 00:04:18,869 think, which used to be the app is long gone. I don't I think I 68 00:04:18,869 --> 00:04:23,069 don't know. But the developer set it up. So if I if only I 69 00:04:23,069 --> 00:04:31,529 send a tweet and coffee pot, no, pocket, no agenda, then it fires 70 00:04:31,529 --> 00:04:35,849 it has some link into these apps that people still have on their 71 00:04:35,849 --> 00:04:38,639 phones, and that fires off the bat signal. But now other people 72 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,849 have tied shit into it. And and that's what's cool, because 73 00:04:42,029 --> 00:04:45,899 anybody can access pod ping. Anybody could monitor for live 74 00:04:45,899 --> 00:04:49,259 status. You could do all kinds of things. Yeah, 75 00:04:49,409 --> 00:04:53,069 hotel. Yeah, totally. And that's just the that's just the reason 76 00:04:53,069 --> 00:04:58,319 code. We'll have one. You can imagine you started thinking of 77 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:01,319 all the stuff you can stack on top of that. This, this kind of 78 00:05:01,469 --> 00:05:04,529 is kind of amazing. But I mean, like the most exciting thing was 79 00:05:04,529 --> 00:05:10,109 actually getting a notification through pod verse. Like, he just 80 00:05:10,109 --> 00:05:14,489 popped up on my phone. And then everybody who has pod verse can 81 00:05:14,489 --> 00:05:16,019 just tap it and you 82 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:19,950 saw that you saw them all flow right into the chat room. It's 83 00:05:19,950 --> 00:05:27,630 so cool is amazing. Wow, that is okay that my breath is taken 84 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:28,050 away. 85 00:05:30,930 --> 00:05:33,660 Yes, I know you're, I know you're listening, hosting 86 00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:38,160 companies. This, this is what the future looks like this is 87 00:05:38,670 --> 00:05:44,580 imagine your UI where your podcaster customer goes into 88 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:52,410 their dashboard. And instead of publishing a new episode that 89 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:56,670 they've already recorded, there's maybe a little drop down 90 00:05:56,670 --> 00:06:01,620 there that says go live or something like that. They change 91 00:06:01,650 --> 00:06:09,630 their status to live and boom, all the pod pings go out and 92 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:14,490 there's a lot and a live stream kicks on kicks in. And AK you 93 00:06:14,490 --> 00:06:19,830 know, Allah squad casts style clean feed style live stream, 94 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:24,570 and boom they're on the air. No, totally decentralized. Don't 95 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:28,830 need YouTube don't need any of that jazz. It's just all 96 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:36,780 they have a question when people are listening live in PA pod 97 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:41,520 verse or curio caster are they also streaming 100 sets per 98 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:41,910 minute 99 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:47,460 I would think so. Yeah, I'm 100 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,120 I would think so too. I just I've never even questioned it 101 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,000 and just kind of popped up because it is a different type 102 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,580 of medium. I have no idea how there are these apps are 103 00:06:56,580 --> 00:06:57,810 counting I don't know. 104 00:06:58,260 --> 00:07:03,150 I don't either. We could you you could watch the the node 105 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:09,930 Yes, I could watch the note but then I need to purse Oh, there 106 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:13,770 it is. Yes. It just glowed green for me. No. 107 00:07:15,210 --> 00:07:16,080 So it is where is it? 108 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,520 Guest so yeah, I guess so. So unbelievable. And people have 109 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:25,320 and and as it turns out, doing the live day when the podcast is 110 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,220 lit people love boosting and they're boosting with vigor 111 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:34,080 vigorous boost 112 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,360 listen to this. Let me see where's it 113 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:47,730 to lose the very best like no lawn ever 114 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:54,990 is my real dad to them is my car. 115 00:07:56,850 --> 00:08:01,140 I will lose them across the land boosting car 116 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,470 Instagram 117 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,070 Damon DeLorean 118 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:17,700 beautiful Pokemon I love it. 119 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:22,290 I want more though. I want more of the chorus boosted grams Dan 120 00:08:22,290 --> 00:08:25,860 and you could have like boost boost boosted grams. Really 121 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,730 dynamite 122 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,340 either waiting to hit me with it. 123 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:33,540 Someone put it on the podcast index dot social. I'm like, I 124 00:08:33,540 --> 00:08:35,910 don't know. I don't know if Dave is, you know, I'm always 125 00:08:35,910 --> 00:08:40,650 trolling the local timeline. I'm not just looking at stuff. This 126 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:44,310 is me or people I follow. I look at everything. Like oh man, I 127 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:47,340 hope David hasn't seen this one yet. No, I didn't see it. And 128 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:51,270 it's even worse because like I want to, I want to really say 129 00:08:51,270 --> 00:08:55,950 something about it. But I know if I reply to that. I'm trying 130 00:08:57,330 --> 00:08:59,790 the same on Twitter. It's like whenever someone sends me a 131 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:03,690 great clip I just hit a like you know, I don't reply. I don't 132 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:05,670 want anyone else to see that is too good. 133 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,890 Yeah, that's funny. DeLorean That's awesome. Yeah, reverse 134 00:09:10,890 --> 00:09:12,270 boost. We need to reverse this. 135 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:20,190 Cool man. Did you see Kevin rook 136 00:09:21,450 --> 00:09:26,250 in great episode with with Polly toy? 137 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,330 Oh, I have not I have not seen it yet. You haven't listened to 138 00:09:30,330 --> 00:09:34,620 that episode? No, I have not really good PLEASE DO what He 139 00:09:34,950 --> 00:09:42,360 but he tweeted a a chart or graph from which has sponsored 140 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:50,910 by voltage. And it's, it's, it's like the most beautiful linear 141 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:54,330 line you'd ever want to see on a chart and it's in the end. The 142 00:09:54,330 --> 00:09:58,920 heading is 7000 plus podcasts on the Lightning Network. And it's 143 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,470 a timeline you got Take a look at my Twitter real quick. 144 00:10:01,650 --> 00:10:06,690 Oh, yeah, I retweeted it. And you saw it. There are now 7000 145 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:09,780 podcasts on the Lightning Network with 499 new shows added 146 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:11,850 in May. We're not. Where does the chart 147 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:12,510 come from? 148 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:13,770 That's a hockey stick. 149 00:10:14,339 --> 00:10:15,899 Where did the chart come from? 150 00:10:16,439 --> 00:10:17,819 I sponsor about voltage. 151 00:10:18,930 --> 00:10:21,810 How do they do that? I don't know. This is what I've been 152 00:10:21,810 --> 00:10:24,870 trying to get from you for weeks and voltage as it 153 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:27,630 just, I don't have fancy graphics. 154 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,820 This is just amazing. And I was saying to Tina, I said, Cool. 155 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:39,150 Fuck marketing system. This flywheel spins by itself. So 156 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:44,160 the best kind of marketing and PR Did you did you do it? 157 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,030 Really? You don't even do this somebody else does for you. A 158 00:10:48,030 --> 00:10:49,290 really favorite gun. 159 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:53,640 It really is. Man. I love it so much. I voltage for I guess. 160 00:10:53,670 --> 00:10:56,880 Yeah, and you're right. It it is it is literally a hockey stick, 161 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,170 isn't it? Yeah, it is. That's like home, like the real 162 00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:02,010 car. Not the fake. 163 00:11:02,820 --> 00:11:06,480 This is totally real. It's all right here. The booster grams 164 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,750 are coming in. Oh, man. I love my job. 165 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:15,210 Somebody replied to that and said can you also release music 166 00:11:15,210 --> 00:11:18,840 podcasts on the network? Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah, you can. 167 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,450 Yeah. And I've had several people call me about that. Who 168 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:28,590 have contacts within some of these. Some of these companies 169 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:31,050 and organizations we've been talking about. So that's that is 170 00:11:31,050 --> 00:11:31,920 moving forward. 171 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,690 Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And I knew that as somehow I just knew 172 00:11:36,690 --> 00:11:39,330 that it was going to be like, people were going to respond to 173 00:11:39,330 --> 00:11:45,150 that because it's just too it's too juicy of an opportunity to 174 00:11:45,270 --> 00:11:49,620 be able to throw that out there. Because people have music and 175 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:54,300 that's the thing. Like, I mean, my my son, you know, he had one 176 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:58,920 of the things that cripple the cripple. Yes, exactly. Yes. The 177 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,450 credit the invalid. Yeah, he's the convalescent 178 00:12:04,020 --> 00:12:06,480 die. So the convalescent that's what we're calling from now. 179 00:12:06,989 --> 00:12:11,339 He they're about to record another album. So they've got 180 00:12:11,339 --> 00:12:14,159 like six more songs ready to go. So they people have music just 181 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:17,819 sitting there ready to go? Yeah. What's in Nina then Janine Allah 182 00:12:17,819 --> 00:12:18,089 for 183 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:22,920 what's nice about these groups, and I'm talking to one next 184 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,670 week. You know, they already have all the bands and 185 00:12:26,670 --> 00:12:30,780 musicians, they have the onboarding. And, and it's very 186 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:33,330 well understood that I think these people get like, Okay, we 187 00:12:33,330 --> 00:12:38,850 have to provide an RSS feed. Okay. Yeah. Pretty much it you 188 00:12:38,850 --> 00:12:43,650 know, and it's Spencer. Now, Who's he? Who's he working with 189 00:12:43,650 --> 00:12:48,660 on on a reference music app? Was it just him or he sounds? It 190 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:51,240 sounds like he had a whole consortium he was working with? 191 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:54,840 I don't know. It's kind of coy about it. It's Astor Spencer 192 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,190 always on the DL? To work on some top secret stuff. I'm all 193 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:00,720 I'm all indeed up, man. 194 00:13:01,140 --> 00:13:05,250 I want the I want the music podcast app on your phone. Oh, 195 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:09,180 yeah. I want that. I would eat that up so much. I want to see 196 00:13:09,180 --> 00:13:15,930 Did you hear? Did you hear the thing about Spotify? One their 197 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:18,930 lawsuit against that company called Spotify? No, 198 00:13:18,930 --> 00:13:21,540 I didn't. What's the what's the Well, part of 199 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:25,650 phi is like they're just a conglomerate of pot 200 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:29,910 dispensaries. I'm not sure where they exist. But so Spotify sued 201 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:35,430 him for Trademark Dilution or whatever in and what evidently, 202 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:39,360 one hears me No, this past week. But I just thought that would be 203 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,840 a great name for Spencer's music app. Spotify would have been no, 204 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,320 not interested in last five minutes. But 205 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:53,220 just speaking of interesting was that article I heard about it 206 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:57,120 that there's some Spotify podcasts that are apparently 207 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:03,960 making $18,000 a month and they just have a white noise or Yeah, 208 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:09,480 Pink Noise relaxing white noise? How does that make an advertiser 209 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:09,960 feel? 210 00:14:12,330 --> 00:14:17,340 I don't know. I mean, what do you what do you advertise 211 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:18,720 pillows? Or? 212 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:23,100 I mean, if someone's I mean, I'm sure that these white noise 213 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:26,220 podcasts are not being interrupted by ads. Should they 214 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:27,420 be if the I don't know. 215 00:14:27,690 --> 00:14:34,740 I guess I'll pre roll. I mean, it's pretty fired up. But I 216 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:42,780 don't I mean, to me, it just tells you that, that the fact 217 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:47,400 that somebody just discovered this, it says enough, right? It 218 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,250 tells you all you need to know about what about podcast 219 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:55,020 statistics, and all that nobody knows what the heck is going on. 220 00:14:55,290 --> 00:15:00,690 And then two really surprising. I guess they were announcements. 221 00:15:00,690 --> 00:15:04,650 But you know, I just listened to different podcasts. And so 222 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,400 blueberry is now doing as an ad insertion product coming. I 223 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:08,910 guess 224 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:14,880 that's what I heard. And yeah, yeah, I guess they they saw, I 225 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,270 think, I think everybody's got something in the worst probably. 226 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:22,830 But they they probably saw that Buzzsprout released theirs and, 227 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,230 and, you know, need to let everybody know that they had 228 00:15:25,230 --> 00:15:26,100 theirs in the works too. 229 00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:29,340 Let me say this about the Buzzsprout ad insertions. I'm 230 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:32,640 really, it's, I'm really impressed because here's how I 231 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:40,410 heard it work. And it was on pod land. So apparently, it finds a 232 00:15:40,410 --> 00:15:44,670 good spot to insert. I don't know if that's dynamic and AI or 233 00:15:44,670 --> 00:15:48,000 whatever. If there's some marker set, I believe it's actually 234 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,680 finding that spot for you. 235 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:52,680 Yes, that's my understanding. Yeah. And 236 00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:57,270 it kind of does this, it has a little too loose music that gets 237 00:15:57,270 --> 00:16:03,510 mixed in before. So under the last words of the insertion, and 238 00:16:03,510 --> 00:16:09,720 under kind of the first half a second of that. And it's the 239 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,380 same on the way out, so it's not a jarring cut. Very impressive. 240 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:19,380 I like that a lot. Then, I think it's dynamically splitting up 241 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:23,280 the chapters, the chapter markers, and and giving it a 242 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,730 part two. So there was an 243 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,750 it's actually interesting talking about it was actually 244 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:31,320 brackets. 245 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:33,960 Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Because actually, because you had an 246 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,870 interview on pod land. And there was a part two of your 247 00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:39,780 interview, but you got to part two, and then in brackets, part 248 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:43,530 two, because there was there was an insertion there. Everything 249 00:16:43,530 --> 00:16:46,740 was perfect, except the image broke on the on these 250 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:50,700 dynamically generated chapters. Otherwise, bravo. 251 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,060 Did it how did it break? Because I was looking for that just the 252 00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:57,840 image broke. Like there was just no image at all. Yeah, just 253 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,560 I just got a question mark. Okay, icon thing, 254 00:17:01,949 --> 00:17:09,299 because what I was thinking was this shows for sure that you can 255 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:15,869 absolutely do dynamic ad insertion and still maintain all 256 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,249 the correct timestamps. 257 00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:20,609 Yeah, I'm not sure about the transcript. I wasn't following 258 00:17:20,609 --> 00:17:24,179 along when I knew because I only kind of noticed that like, oh, 259 00:17:24,179 --> 00:17:28,109 okay, hold on a second. Now, here's the thing. I cannot for 260 00:17:28,109 --> 00:17:31,139 the life of me remember what ads were there? Because I skipped 261 00:17:31,139 --> 00:17:31,529 through them. 262 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:39,840 I can't either. I know what I want the first insert the first 263 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,330 insert seem pretty good. Like the timing of it seemed pretty 264 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:45,690 good. The second insert caught me like I think it caught me 265 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:50,070 like, right in the middle of a sentence or something. I think I 266 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:53,580 paused or something like that. But no, I think that to me, it 267 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:57,960 just it proves that if you care do it right. Your product you 268 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,450 can do it right. You can adjust the timestamps, you can get 269 00:18:00,450 --> 00:18:03,540 everything right. Anybody who doesn't do it that way and just 270 00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:07,500 says oh, well, you can't do chapters because dynamic ad 271 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:10,590 insertion f it up as well wouldn't know that if you don't 272 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,890 care it will if you're lazy it will but if you do it if you do 273 00:18:13,890 --> 00:18:16,950 it this way, of course know that a word that does not just proved 274 00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:17,100 it. 275 00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:21,090 So when I don't know if this is up and running fully where that 276 00:18:21,090 --> 00:18:24,150 but I think we should take a couple $100 in and promote 277 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:27,690 podcasting. 2.0 promote different apps. Hey, hey, I hope 278 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:31,320 you're enjoying this podcast. If you don't see a boost button, 279 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:33,480 you're late. You're late. 280 00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:39,510 Yeah, get a bigger Paris. Oh, you got to see my big scissors. 281 00:18:39,540 --> 00:18:43,350 Yes. And we also got a new a new piece of art from Sir Pete 282 00:18:45,930 --> 00:18:49,860 Yeah, the the giant the chances are 283 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:55,800 this this running with scissors it's become quite the thing. 284 00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:59,610 Everyone's using the emojis and it feels good though. It you 285 00:18:59,610 --> 00:19:02,970 know, that's that's why the last couple shows we had a lot of 286 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:06,510 shit broken. And there's some frustration I'm sure Stephen B 287 00:19:06,510 --> 00:19:11,670 was very frustrated. Then we had a little little fire alarm where 288 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:16,620 the feeds that I had generated the lit tag the live item tags 289 00:19:16,620 --> 00:19:21,630 with they were breaking on dog catcher. And I only got reports 290 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:23,940 from dog catcher I had no idea if it was breaking anywhere 291 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:29,340 else. And I'm like oh man because you know I was that was 292 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:31,680 that was my running with scissors like I'll try it on no 293 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,520 agenda. And we do not have no agenda and something breaks I 294 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,330 hear about it. 295 00:19:36,899 --> 00:19:40,379 Oh yeah, but what what's interesting though, from that 296 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:46,619 experience, is that you only heard about it from the dog 297 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:49,529 catcher thing I don't think you heard any other breakage No, 298 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,500 no, but you know when I hear when I see two then I'm always 299 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:54,510 like, oh shit, something's broken. So I didn't at that 300 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:57,840 point I didn't know is isolated to dog catcher. Nor did I know 301 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,930 that dog catcher is what they call a abandonware 302 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:08,340 Yeah, yeah. Because that's it. I was surprised that that even was 303 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:11,910 still out there. I had dog catcher on my phone. 304 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,660 Oh my gosh, it's probably just old. It's been around for a long 305 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:16,050 time. 306 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,650 Oh, yeah, it's been 11 or 12 years ago. I haven't. And that's 307 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:23,460 been the last time I used it. I had no idea it was still in the 308 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:26,520 only reason. The thing about dog catcher back in the day that it 309 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,070 lets you do that, that I don't think anything else did at the 310 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:34,530 time. Was that it let you choose where to store your mp3 is when 311 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:37,230 they were downloaded. You could put it on the SD card of 312 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:37,710 Android. 313 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:42,450 Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Oh, my goodness. That was 314 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,890 progress back in the day. 315 00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:49,320 It was Yeah. But that, I think, yeah. So we got I put out the 316 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:55,470 call to back started. Well, our resident expert in XML. I mean, 317 00:20:55,470 --> 00:21:00,300 he literally is like, was on the XML like committee. So I mean, 318 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:05,130 he's, he's the absolute expert came in he said, No, you're 319 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:07,770 doing it fine. There's nothing wrong with this XML. The problem 320 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:08,160 was right. 321 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,070 And he was just on the on the on the mastodon, right. 322 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:15,570 Yeah, he popped back. Yeah. Because he, you know, he's, he 323 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,130 came in and wrote a DTD for us. Right. Or, I'm sorry, an Excel 324 00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:26,310 sheet. And design spec. And that was great. And then so I still 325 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:29,610 had his email and I'm like, Hey, do you mind popping in to give 326 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:30,720 some insight? Okay, 327 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:33,180 I thought he got the alert as remastered arm. Okay, I got it. 328 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:33,540 Yeah. 329 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,700 It was awesome. In so he, you know, it. It's, it was nice to 330 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:44,010 see to hear that the the tag is not problematic. It's, it really 331 00:21:44,010 --> 00:21:48,300 is a dog catcher. Problem code issue. Yeah, though, and I'm the 332 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:49,680 I don't think it'll ever be fixed. 333 00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:54,720 No, the devs threw it right back at me. Yeah, he's no good. 334 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:57,660 I don't know. When's the last time they had a release when it 335 00:21:57,660 --> 00:22:03,540 was 2018? Yeah. Once it goes that long. I mean, it's really 336 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:07,470 hard to another release. It's a goner. Yeah. So I don't know 337 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:12,240 what I mean, what does that mean? I think we still need to, 338 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:17,670 I've downloaded an emulator on my machine. And so my plan is to 339 00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:20,160 is to load up dog catcher in there and just throw a bunch of 340 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,950 live items stuff at it until I can figure out what exactly it 341 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:23,670 is the bread. Yeah, 342 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,490 it's some kind of Java thing that's breaking. That's it's 343 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:28,560 throwing an exception. But how 344 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,100 to add a Java array index, negative one, and you can't do 345 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,080 negative indexes in Java arrays? 346 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:39,060 Well, apparently, I have that power. If you want a negative 347 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:43,170 one, I'll throw one at you. Let me just press Publish. 348 00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:47,250 So I don't know what's going on with that. It's that I'm not 349 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:49,830 even I'm still not even convinced it's a it's a live 350 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:53,100 item tag issue. It could be something completely unrelated. 351 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:53,880 And just, 352 00:22:54,629 --> 00:22:57,299 I mean, it's I don't know if people subscribed, they pay for 353 00:22:57,299 --> 00:23:00,809 that or Yeah, seems like something would be cool to to 354 00:23:00,809 --> 00:23:03,989 let open up and let people work on and create some create 355 00:23:03,989 --> 00:23:04,799 something out of 356 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:09,480 Yeah, I do wish that older apps that are out there abandonware 357 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,660 would would open their code. Yeah. 358 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:19,170 Speaking of older Yeah, I've been rockin Linux Mint on on my 359 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:27,270 Surface go version one for I don't know four years now. And I 360 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:30,420 just love it. I mean, it's so fast and finally earlier this 361 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:34,320 week, the screen literally came unglued on one side 362 00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:39,090 is is your battery swelling? Is it the battery? 363 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,700 No, it's just abuse. It's just I take it everywhere you know when 364 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:47,580 you open that kickstand that puts all kinds of pressure on 365 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:52,410 the bench This is the original version and and so I was like 366 00:23:52,410 --> 00:23:56,520 okay I'm you know I really love this device and and I just said 367 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,850 you know what, I'm just gonna get the the surface go three. 368 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,490 And so they've upgraded you know, a whole bunch of things 369 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,700 this thing screams reams it's so fast and I thought they stopped 370 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,060 making it. Yeah, you can still get them on Amazon for 400 371 00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:15,270 bucks. Like this is fantastic and thanks to the Linux 372 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:18,720 unplugged guys I knew all the things I need to know on how to 373 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,070 migrate Oh nice. Yeah, I got my dot files 374 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,440 I didn't know they still made the surface go I mean are they 375 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,700 is it an older unit? 376 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:34,890 No. Brand new as beautiful that you know doesn't have that it's 377 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,550 completely black it doesn't have that that ugly Microsoft kind of 378 00:24:38,580 --> 00:24:40,080 fake faux metal. 379 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,570 Oh yeah, the vibe to it. Yeah, the funky material thing Yeah. 380 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:45,660 And 381 00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:47,970 I already had the keyboard cover so it was pretty cheap 382 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:50,700 replacement Alma that thing is just in the screen real estate 383 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:54,300 is bigger even though the the actual devices same size anyway. 384 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:58,380 Just want to say I'm so proud of myself for the migration. Nice 385 00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:04,230 in one day. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see I have, we have a guest 386 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:06,090 today in the boardroom. So I'm gonna bring our guests in in a 387 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:12,450 moment. Here's a little data point for you. Almost every day 388 00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:17,400 I get the domain name renewal notices. And they're pretty much 389 00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:22,590 all on auto renew it until something pops up. I'm like, and 390 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:26,160 I now I started to ask, can I have 1000s? Then that turns out 391 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,030 to be a lot of money. 392 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,160 That's a lot of money. 393 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:34,890 That 1000s Hundreds I was 1000s is not right, hundreds. And it's 394 00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:37,980 just now it's 14 bucks, 14 bucks, whatever it is. Don't 395 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,080 worry, please don't email me telling me I'm paying too much. 396 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:46,320 I know. I like DNSimple. I like those guys. And so this is just 397 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,250 a little a timeline. I got a one year renewal notice for fast 398 00:25:50,250 --> 00:25:54,960 follow dot link dot link. That was a year ago that we started 399 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,370 talking about the fast follow? Yes. Just Yes. Just putting that 400 00:25:59,370 --> 00:26:00,480 data point out there. 401 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:05,010 And you know, that I've been, I've been thinking about that, 402 00:26:05,010 --> 00:26:08,580 because I've been pretty, that a lot of the stuff I've done this 403 00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:13,860 week has been index API stuff for various people, that hasn't 404 00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:18,540 really been anything worth talking about. And so I've been 405 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:20,670 I've been thinking Nina, I've ended up I go through these 406 00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:24,060 phases where I get bogged down in, in sort of back back into 407 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:28,140 work, and I don't get any, anything done on like namespace 408 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:32,730 and sort of the more push forward projects, and one of the 409 00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:36,660 ones that that I really want to start working on and pushing 410 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:40,020 forward on is the stuff we're talking about with Nathan 411 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:42,510 Gaither, I would essentially fast follow with the with the 412 00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:47,400 universal subscribe links. But I just haven't gotten time to do 413 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,240 it yet. So we've got FFL like we gotta get framework to move 414 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:51,840 forward now. 415 00:26:52,439 --> 00:26:56,429 I saw you posted a, an update about or a clarification of the 416 00:26:56,429 --> 00:26:59,609 roadmap and how we're gonna how we're moving forward and you 417 00:26:59,609 --> 00:27:03,929 clean some of that up? On what I don't know. I just saw a link a 418 00:27:03,929 --> 00:27:08,009 post about it. Where I'm gonna the social. 419 00:27:08,699 --> 00:27:13,289 Did I post that? Yeah, I thought you don't know what topic was. 420 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:14,579 Was this about? It was 421 00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,040 like I'm cleaning up the namespace or some shit like 422 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,520 this. Clean. Oh, I'm sorry. This is from 2020. 423 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:28,590 Yeah, I did back then. Well done. This Oh, finished. 424 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,880 So you could finally mark that done off your to do list. 425 00:27:34,380 --> 00:27:37,950 Cry with it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take 426 00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:42,300 these John's scissors. I'm going to I'm going to get to take them 427 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:48,990 to the engraver. Get Steven bales name engraved on these. He 428 00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:54,600 gets the scissor award for the crates. He goes first for the 429 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,680 live item tag. 430 00:27:55,889 --> 00:28:00,569 This is there you go. So it'll be our very own podcasting 2.0 431 00:28:00,569 --> 00:28:06,839 awards. And we hand out to scissors. So this is the scissor 432 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:12,629 for podcast of the year this scissor the scissors for for App 433 00:28:12,629 --> 00:28:20,039 of the Year this Yeah, of course this is are for contract, you 434 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,249 know the feed contributions. I mean, we can come up with 435 00:28:23,249 --> 00:28:25,619 everyone wins the prize. Basically. That's the idea. 436 00:28:25,859 --> 00:28:26,129 Yeah. 437 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,290 participation trophy. That's what it is. Yeah. 438 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,990 No, it's a value trophy. 439 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,460 The the scissor award for person with the best jingle at the end 440 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:41,940 of the show. Yeah, well clear. Clearly named DeLorean she's, 441 00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:51,570 yep, she is. She's top of the leaderboard. Man, let's see. Oh, 442 00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:54,660 yeah, I just wanted just to make sure. This was kind of 443 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:58,440 interesting. I think a lot of people got an email from from 444 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Oscar at fountain. 445 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,300 Yeah, I got it. I got that email. Yeah, we all got 446 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:08,220 it. And I want to congratulate Oscar on on on doing this. I 447 00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,440 mean, I never would have known that he does this kind of stuff 448 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,300 where he's thinking that way. This is obviously a bug 449 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,360 somewhere that fired it off because the email said, hey, you 450 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,140 know, we noticed that you stopped using fountain do Would 451 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:24,120 you mind telling us why? Fantastic. Really, really smart. 452 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:26,070 Now? Of course it is. The bug sucks. 453 00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:28,770 Because you said well, I used it a minute ago. 454 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:33,930 Like Hey, dude, you fucker. But yeah, I was impressed by that. 455 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:36,240 I'd like these things. And 456 00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:41,700 speaking of speaking us as rewards can we give? I would 457 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:48,480 like to put Alex into our split for this show as gay because he 458 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,270 helped me a bunch this week. And he has been onboarding a bunch 459 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,260 of people to in a tube to no agenda to for all this kind of 460 00:29:58,260 --> 00:30:00,780 stuff. So at the end, that's not cheap. So was Paul's put them in 461 00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:01,350 the split? 462 00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:02,220 Definitely. 463 00:30:03,449 --> 00:30:05,009 Yeah, just got his pumpkin 464 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,320 just briefly on this what I would love for two 465 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:13,530 I have seen Peter said I sent nudes 466 00:30:16,529 --> 00:30:21,659 so I, you know, I would I'm so close to be I can onboard people 467 00:30:21,659 --> 00:30:27,749 into no agenda tube. I think we have all the pieces together. 468 00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:32,519 The for video I'm talking specifically. But even for for 469 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,739 podcast release really for video specifically, there's no way to 470 00:30:38,699 --> 00:30:41,879 let me see if I'm explaining this right. For a lot of a lot 471 00:30:41,879 --> 00:30:48,179 of new people managing their, their podcast wallet in the 472 00:30:48,179 --> 00:30:51,599 fountain app is very desirable. And I have a feeling that more 473 00:30:52,199 --> 00:30:58,559 apps will be including this functionality. They also have 474 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,099 some statistics which podcaster wallet doesn't provide. The 475 00:31:02,099 --> 00:31:08,999 problem is you can't claim a no agenda tube feed in the fountain 476 00:31:08,999 --> 00:31:13,229 app because the no agenda tube feeds don't have the owner email 477 00:31:13,379 --> 00:31:19,949 items. Yeah, that's right. So how do we fix that? And what do 478 00:31:19,949 --> 00:31:26,069 we need to do to make sure that no agenda tool works as intended 479 00:31:26,069 --> 00:31:28,799 that there's, you know, some of this web torrent stuff is built 480 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,529 in as well. And we're not all just sucking on Alex's pipe? 481 00:31:31,739 --> 00:31:33,869 Sorry, for the visual. Yeah. 482 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:38,880 Thanks for that. Yeah, I think that's, that's really the 483 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,820 biggest thing with na ta right now is we're just gonna have to 484 00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:47,340 be judicious about, you know, load loading him up. Because 485 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:51,180 every, every time somebody throws a big pile of videos on 486 00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:54,990 there, it's a direct hit to his into his wallet. So 487 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:59,280 can can. Now, I think the storage is not that much of a 488 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,380 problem from what I've understood from him. But really, 489 00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:04,050 the bandwidth could become a problem. Is there? Is there a 490 00:32:04,050 --> 00:32:08,280 way that can I set up a server somewhere that that participates 491 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,130 in the bandwidth sharing? Is there? Is there anyone it was 492 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,830 the other way around? I thought it was the bandwidth was not a 493 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:18,330 problem. But the the storage was better? I'd be wrong about that. 494 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:22,320 Because I think what he what, what he does 495 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:25,620 is he needs to he needs to take splits. I mean, he needs to be 496 00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:29,400 creating these, just like an app should be should you know, 497 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:35,190 somehow he needs to in the feed creation needs to be able to 498 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:37,800 interact with the podcast or wallet system. I'm really 499 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,220 talking out of my ass now. But I I think you know what I'm 500 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:41,730 saying? 501 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280 Yeah, we'll see he takes a bigger split. But like when I 502 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,150 set him up when I set people up with by hand, since they don't 503 00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:52,080 have email addresses, and I set him up by hand. He on the in a 504 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,700 tube side is a 20% split for him. God because because of that 505 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,980 reason, because of the of the bandwidth, which 506 00:32:59,010 --> 00:33:02,940 which which is perfect. But then once you set up, how can I get 507 00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:06,930 that person to be able to manage their splits in the fountain 508 00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:07,410 app? 509 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:12,750 Oh, in the fantasy that I don't know. I don't know how to 510 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:17,310 onboard it through that because? Because Fountain has it needs 511 00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:18,540 the email address to work. 512 00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:23,460 Right. And I did get a couple of bug reports that people on 513 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:27,150 boarded through fountain but then if the value block wasn't 514 00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:31,530 wasn't propagating through to other apps, is that is that a 515 00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:33,690 bug? Do you think? Or is that a caching issue? 516 00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:34,950 Say that again. 517 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:41,820 So the it popped up on the breeze feed it telegram where 518 00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:46,830 apps onboarded through fountain. So that's how they got their 519 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:50,790 podcast or wallet. And that was working in Fountain but it 520 00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:54,510 wasn't showing up in breeze or any other apps until I guess 521 00:33:54,510 --> 00:34:00,420 later. Is there? Is there some lag? No, my patient might be a 522 00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:00,960 bug. 523 00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:03,150 It could have just bent. Yeah, it could have been some kind of 524 00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:08,010 bug on on the fountain fountain side because we as soon as the 525 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:12,780 fountain onboard somebody Oscar sins the split, right back 526 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,700 automated straight back to the Index. Yeah, 527 00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:17,580 I knew was out automated. So that's why it's Yeah, question 528 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:19,800 is there might be a bug somewhere or caching? 529 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,850 Could be Yeah, it could be. It would have to be I would think 530 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,460 because I mean, as soon as it hits on our side, it's it's in 531 00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:29,340 there now. Oh, 532 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,220 I'm almost out of breath. I'm so excited by all of this stuff. 533 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:34,350 And then why don't we Why don't we bring in our guests because 534 00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:37,410 he's been waiting very patiently. And he got up super 535 00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:40,950 early. We stayed up late so we could run together with our 536 00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:45,390 scissors please welcome developer owner CEO Big Kahuna 537 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:48,690 of the visie app, which I've been testing today and I like a 538 00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:52,470 lot. Hello, and welcome to the board meeting. Nick Ivanoff. 539 00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:54,660 Good evening, guys. 540 00:34:54,779 --> 00:34:56,909 Did I say that right Nick? Is it Ivanoff? 541 00:34:57,839 --> 00:34:59,039 It is Ivanoff Yes. 542 00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:02,100 Okay. Now This is really interesting. Welcome, Matt, 543 00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:05,880 you're you're in Australia, you have kind of like an Eastern 544 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,780 European sounding name, but your accent I can't quite place in 545 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:10,830 either of those. 546 00:35:13,139 --> 00:35:17,609 It's it's such a good question. And the accent is the bit that 547 00:35:17,609 --> 00:35:19,529 always comes through and people can place it. They're like, 548 00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:23,219 where are you from? And it's 100% True. My name's Eastern 549 00:35:23,219 --> 00:35:27,569 European. I was born in Bulgaria, in Eastern Europe, I 550 00:35:27,569 --> 00:35:29,519 ended up growing up in South Africa. 551 00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:33,780 That's what I thought it was South Africa. There you go 552 00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:35,130 straight to Africans. 553 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,060 Just a hint. I come brought up. Yeah. Ben 554 00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,780 occludin. Nadler on to explain NATO loans. 555 00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:46,770 Oh, no. Yeah, no, it doesn't transfer as good when I 556 00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:51,420 know, I know. I know. But I've spoken to so many South 557 00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:54,750 Afrikaners now that I can I can certainly understand what you're 558 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:58,950 saying. It's really interesting. Okay, so Wow, well, at least 559 00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:01,440 you're not rushing, we should not rush and man, you know, your 560 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,740 app would be taken right off all app stores. That will be 561 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:09,720 horrible. deplatforming will be really sucked. Well, this is so. 562 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,160 So this visie app, then. And I'll just intro because Dave, 563 00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:17,370 sent out the invite. I was not familiar with the app. 564 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,210 And we talked about it a long time ago. Yeah, it's been it's 565 00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:24,270 been? Well, it's been about three, three months ago, or 566 00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:25,140 something like that. Yeah, 567 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:27,750 this was a very informative, this was a very enjoyable 568 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:30,480 experience. You know, I'm, I'm always the guy that's looking 569 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,320 for Please, can we do something different. And of course, every 570 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,800 app is completely different. But this was so wildly different, 571 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,820 because the whole pitch is, hey, you're gonna find and this is 572 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:44,550 pretty much the the dream, I think that everyone is talking 573 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,840 about. And it kind of works in this case, where you come into 574 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,660 this app, not into your standard library view, but into a 575 00:36:54,660 --> 00:37:01,050 discovery view, which includes disease wishes, man, I had so 576 00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:03,570 many dirty things going through my mind with that name, I love 577 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:06,630 it. I just, I just want to make an app with jerseys. But anyway, 578 00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:10,800 so there's VCs. And you can share those you can follow 579 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,240 people, which is analogous to a lot of the clips and sharing. 580 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,380 But the whole premise is really a discovery. And I mentioned 581 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,350 this to my wife. And she said, That's interesting, because that 582 00:37:22,350 --> 00:37:25,680 would be I didn't give her any more prompting, I'll see if she 583 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,730 installs it. I think there is a need for this type of immediate 584 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:31,350 discovery type app. 585 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:38,760 Yeah, yeah. And it's a great, it's a great way to introduce it 586 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,940 into into the discovery screen. And I think what you find is, 587 00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:47,130 we, even when I thought about it, initially, really approach 588 00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,830 the problem from the listener side. So when you open the app, 589 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,370 you can see that it comes at you with exactly what you kind of 590 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:57,300 want from a podcast, app discovery. And if there is visie 591 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,350 thing, what is this new thing? It's right at the top. Yeah, you 592 00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:02,910 can get started and look through it. 593 00:38:03,089 --> 00:38:05,519 And you know, everyone should take a look and see see what I 594 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:10,889 mean. But it's such a, it's like an upside down approach where 595 00:38:10,889 --> 00:38:15,479 everybody has, you know, the standard app view is okay, 596 00:38:15,479 --> 00:38:19,469 here's your pot, here's your subscriptions, etc. But this, 597 00:38:19,469 --> 00:38:23,279 this really drops you into, into something completely different 598 00:38:23,279 --> 00:38:26,219 right from the get go. And that's what we're that's what's 599 00:38:26,219 --> 00:38:29,669 so super, it's not like a revolutionary idea. But instead 600 00:38:29,669 --> 00:38:34,799 of making the clip sharing subjugated to the functionality 601 00:38:34,889 --> 00:38:37,799 and discovery, it's kind of days for you. It's really more 602 00:38:37,799 --> 00:38:39,569 upfront. I know, Dave, what do you think? 603 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,850 Yeah, no, I came over. I came at it from the, from a from a 604 00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:48,600 different sort of standpoint, because, Nick, I had never seen 605 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,390 the app before I talked to Nick one day and him and his 606 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,090 partners. Forgive me, Nick, I don't remember their name. 607 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:59,520 Names. But we, you know, he was they were sort of showing me the 608 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,660 whole their whole idea from it. And I was I just got so hyper 609 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:08,130 focused on the like, the chapter aspect or these markers within 610 00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:15,300 the within the show. And like that, that where you can like 611 00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:17,460 Insert Stuff. Do you want to talk about that, Nick, where 612 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,670 it's like, yep, this because there was a debt. There's a 613 00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,720 dashboard, and some other and some other stuff that I don't 614 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,480 remember how to access? Do you want to let go? Like, talk a 615 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,560 little bit how that works? 616 00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:33,030 Absolutely. So it's a great way to talk about because you're 617 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:36,690 tackling both ends of the platform. So we built the app as 618 00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,050 an output. And if you go into a visit, you'll see that there's 619 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,890 images there screens of the change, they're time stamped to 620 00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:49,260 the audio. And then what we showed you was the back end, 621 00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:51,870 which is how you create that experience, which is why it's 622 00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,450 right in front of the app saying hey, there's another way to do 623 00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:59,700 this. We're trying something new. Try it so you can see it 624 00:39:59,850 --> 00:40:03,900 out. And, straightaway, so the back end of the platform, every 625 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,320 image is essentially a chapter and enriched chapter, which is 626 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:14,460 time stamped to the mp3. So the podcaster, or producer would go 627 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:19,470 and claim their podcast, app dot visit or FM. And in there will 628 00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:22,800 be their feed already. And they can create these chapters and 629 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,920 attach images. And also interactions. If you have a play 630 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,190 around with the top bar, which looks consistent on each page. 631 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:32,670 They can do interactions where it links through to the internet 632 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:34,170 directly from the player screen. 633 00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,120 Yeah, so it's like it's it's like a rich chapter editor. But 634 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,990 then there's also I think, tell me if I remember this right 635 00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:46,710 there, because your way the folk, I think what your focus 636 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:52,380 was, or at least part of it was being able to have a better ad 637 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:58,290 advertising. I guess not experienced, but like, there are 638 00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:01,500 maybe that is right, I better like have ads that actually do 639 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:05,010 something and are better than just like a, like a display. 640 00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:11,100 Exactly. So I mean, this is this is our proof of concept. So we 641 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:15,210 can put it in front of people and have them see it. You guys 642 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:18,210 saw it and you enjoyed it. So our next move is to open that 643 00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:20,160 up, which is why I'm so excited to speak to you guys. Because 644 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,810 this is the probably the central place in open podcasting to talk 645 00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:25,140 about 646 00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:29,280 how Yeah, hell yes, actually, the board meeting, there's no 647 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,180 doubt about it 648 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:34,170 sucks. I'm just I'm just happy to be and this is my my first 649 00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:36,630 appearance on a on a podcast, writing. 650 00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:41,970 Are you doing very well, you're like nothing, bro. Yes, perfect. 651 00:41:42,270 --> 00:41:46,500 Thank you. So the next step is okay, the listeners always say 652 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:51,060 the same thing. How do I get my show on here? The podcast is in 653 00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,820 the hosting companies have, you know, their own twist on it. So 654 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,020 our next steps are opening it up. So we would like the editing 655 00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,450 process in the back end. And it's been described as an 656 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,320 authoring tool to make it really simple and easy so that people 657 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,190 actually use it. So we get more adoption on chapters, and then 658 00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:12,630 work with others that want to stay in the open and unrolled 659 00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:18,570 garden systems to be able to drop smart or interactive ads. 660 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,850 So if you are going to have a pretty good experience, like in 661 00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,690 Buzzsprout, where they've done a great job of writing finding the 662 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:27,570 right place. And you know, they've, it's very clever to 663 00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:29,760 have a jingle, right? Because your mind goes well, okay, this 664 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,310 is an ad, I know what this is. Would it be nice if there was 665 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:34,920 also a visual and a call to action? So we're working on a 666 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,540 way to get that into the platform. Now? 667 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,220 Are these these chapters? Are they the same? Do they fit in 668 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:46,020 the same form as a 2.0 chapters, I'm a little lost on this. 669 00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:51,840 Currently, no, currently, they they are directly output it to 670 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,190 our output we're engineering through now is actually creating 671 00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:59,610 the process one step further. Because currently, it's attached 672 00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:05,220 to the feed. So version two will be paid bringing your mp3, drop 673 00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:10,530 it into the system, chapters, markers, images or links you 674 00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:13,800 want. And we will output a bunch of stuff that you can use. So 675 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,120 we'll output an mp3 which has been enriched, that works in the 676 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,250 open system, as well as the JSON that you can use to 677 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,370 podcast. Nice, nice. And 678 00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:25,890 mp4. If you want to go to YouTube, you decide where you 679 00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:29,640 want to go. We even want to build a web player with the 680 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,080 chapters and the images inside it. So you can use that too if 681 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,490 you just want to roll on the desktop. 682 00:43:35,549 --> 00:43:40,379 So interesting how how you're going to eat 683 00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:45,900 in which since you've been feed, 684 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,790 do you have any way? Do you have a way of making money doing this 685 00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:56,310 monetizing? Oh, there's a use the monetize word. monetize? 686 00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:59,700 Good. First try. You're a newbie to podcasting. But we'll let you 687 00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:01,290 slide. 688 00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:05,310 I'm a newbie, I have to be one foot in the startup ecosystem to 689 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:10,860 so that's a famous, right, you're monetizing? What's your 690 00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:15,270 financial model look like? Yeah, really? Look, there's a few 691 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:19,800 ways, you know, direct subscription for people to use 692 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,370 the platform we're trying to think about and what you guys 693 00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:27,420 touched upon it earlier. And I think I think keeping podcasting 694 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:32,010 open really working together is a big deal. And I think some of 695 00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:35,430 the hosting platforms could also benefit from differentiating 696 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:40,140 themselves and allowing a really easy, clean way to provide 697 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:43,200 enriched chapters that work across different platforms 698 00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:47,250 to let external tools also be used within their publishing 699 00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:47,760 system. 700 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,940 Exactly. You know, Dave said earlier, right? He goes, Why 701 00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,010 can't we have this is the user experience, you have a drop 702 00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:57,330 down, it's in the home that you're used to use it from 703 00:44:57,330 --> 00:45:00,450 within that dashboard. Like that will be really powerful. awful. 704 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,890 And it'll help us reach that. What is it 11% of podcasts using 705 00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:08,070 chapters? You know, let's get it to like 40. What would that is 706 00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:09,360 it really? 11%? 707 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,370 Isn't that 11%? That can't be true. 708 00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:13,920 I think it was. I think it was 11. 709 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:17,970 Relieve. That seems? 710 00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:22,170 Yeah, I think it's lower than nine that that's even 711 00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:22,920 lower than that. 712 00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,490 I'm suspicious. I'm suspicious of that number. 713 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,510 Don't trust anything. I don't trust anybody anything. And the 714 00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:32,820 hunter lab Hunter Biden laptop was real. 715 00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:37,620 It was? Yeah, I don't I don't think that. Like, I think the 716 00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:41,310 one I heard was 1%. Like one one and a half percent or something. 717 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,430 I don't know. That seems oddly low to 718 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,200 too low. That's also too high. You know, I had I had, this is 719 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,160 very interesting. Today, I had a conversation with a Dutch 720 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,030 developer. And he's created a system. He's also one foot in 721 00:45:57,030 --> 00:46:00,930 the startup ecosystem. And he's also looking at, well, he 722 00:46:00,930 --> 00:46:05,490 actually had it like an SEO tool, where he was he says, I'll 723 00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:11,580 take, you literally ingest the mp3. It does a transcript. But 724 00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:16,320 then he did build all this AI. So you can cross reference all 725 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,210 of these different podcasts and come up with ideal podcasts for 726 00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:25,080 Unilever to advertise on. And I liked it, not for the 727 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,570 advertising part. But I said, Wow, what a great tool. That 728 00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:31,710 would be if if someone's just looking for something that was 729 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:35,280 said on podcasting 2.0 You type it in, you get a bunch of 730 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,580 episodes, you get some other episodes that reference it or 731 00:46:38,610 --> 00:46:41,940 from different podcasts. And you're literally just clicking 732 00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:45,600 around on timestamps, and there's a little editor in there 733 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,570 for you to make a clip or a visie. You know, there should be 734 00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:52,620 additional CI is an open standard for clip. My God, have 735 00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:55,020 we ever thought of that we ever thought of something like that? 736 00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:59,790 Yeah. So so the idea that that open, and that that companies 737 00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:03,900 can start using external tools. And I mean, this is this 738 00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,860 something it started with hyper capture for me. Now hyper 739 00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,370 capture, you can tap on the podcast while it's playing, and 740 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,710 you can create a chapter mark, and they also have a back end 741 00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:18,600 studio. And you know, Dave Nolan was probably the first to do 742 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,530 this. And now he's revamping and just seems like there's there's 743 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,910 already a rich ecosystem of tools out there. Through the 744 00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:29,880 podcast standards in the namespace, we should be able to 745 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,370 allow people to cook into each other. 746 00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:40,320 So Steven B, is what he sent a boost he just boosting said 2222 747 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,720 says and he says what tech stack is visa using? Oh, 748 00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:49,290 the engineering so I'm, I'm somewhere in the in the middle. 749 00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:54,570 between you guys. Well, I'm not an engineer. So it'd be best 750 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,860 we didn't. We don't have the right guy. The right guy on the 751 00:47:58,860 --> 00:47:59,640 wrong the wrong. 752 00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:03,660 Just just those words just doesn't buzzwords. 753 00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:13,620 buzzwords, what are we? Amazon s3 bucket. What do we have for 754 00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:14,730 the app React Native? 755 00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:19,110 Yes. Okay, for React now. 756 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:23,190 Feels real good. React Native feels real good. 757 00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:30,960 Yeah, it is like, so what was it though? What was it about the 758 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,250 editor? Because I've tried to find, I think you just showed it 759 00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:39,000 to me, I don't think I actually could access it. Because I went 760 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,870 and went back to try to look at it again. What was it about the 761 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,450 app, you had some special things with ads, they were able to, 762 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:54,990 you're able to do something with with tracking how the links work 763 00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:57,720 or something like that was refresh my memory. 764 00:48:58,230 --> 00:49:02,700 So currently, obviously, we have the capability to track 765 00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:08,280 everything that happens on the app. And as we build it to be 766 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,070 distributed in more places, we would also be able to track so 767 00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:15,870 the the idea behind it is we're we're also preparing our API to 768 00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:19,140 be open so that we can use it across different ecosystems. I 769 00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,230 mean, the alternate enclosure is something very similar that I'm 770 00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:25,380 very interested in, in in podcasting 2.0, which is, hey, 771 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:29,940 can we display something like a visie outside of the visie app, 772 00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:33,390 but if it is displayed, then we would still be collecting data, 773 00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,360 for example, if you're talking about something you can purchase 774 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,380 on Amazon, as Adam was earlier, and you actually displayed that 775 00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,050 on this screen because you use the rich chapter that you 776 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,340 created in in the portal, right and then there was a button on 777 00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:49,950 which people clicked and they ended up buying something that 778 00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,210 will be attribution. Oh, that's 779 00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,000 what it was. So that's our Yeah, that's what it was 780 00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,880 like, like, like automated affiliate sales. 781 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,640 Literally, so they There's this other missing piece and, and 782 00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:06,390 it's two ends of the spectrum, you guys dealing with the value 783 00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:09,300 for value. And I'm educating myself on it. I've got the 784 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,000 engineers reading about it. But then there's this other side of 785 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,540 podcasting where, and again, these numbers we have to take 786 00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:18,360 into consideration. They keep changing, but I think they're 787 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,870 roughly correct. 60% of people are said in a survey, to have 788 00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:27,630 gone looking for things that they heard about in podcasts, 789 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:29,820 which kind of feels right, because I do it. You know, it's 790 00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:33,180 one of the things that gave visie birth is, I want to stop 791 00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:35,460 Googling, I want it to be right here in front of me when I need 792 00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:39,300 it right. Now, if we're approaching 500 million people 793 00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:42,240 give or take listening to at least one episode per month. 794 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:45,780 That is a lot of revenue generated across the internet, 795 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,650 but it's not associated with the podcasters know, right. How do 796 00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:51,990 we bring it back in the ecosystem? You know, if you 797 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:55,080 didn't do the the funnel, the you know, the finance stuff, 1% 798 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,980 of them by something, it's worth $30. You know, that's a billion 799 00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:02,970 dollars almost generated from podcasting. There is no way 800 00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:06,120 attributed back. So we're tackling this part of the system 801 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,760 of pay, how do we empower the creators to actually get some of 802 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,030 the revenue of the sales that they are generating anyways? 803 00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:17,640 Yeah, so that's a 804 00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:20,340 big focus of the portal. Yeah. Yeah. I 805 00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:23,880 mean, I clearly bought these gigantic scissors. 806 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,540 Scissors. Yeah. And everybody wants their own personal pair. 807 00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:31,830 I'd be tapping away. 808 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,100 Yeah, I should. I should get begin affiliate kickbacks for 809 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,210 this stuff, man. If you're 810 00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:38,790 if you're if you haven't, if you have CarPlay. Right now, you're 811 00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:41,100 seeing scissors on your screen? That's right. 812 00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:42,630 Thanks. Right. And that's 813 00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:45,720 another thing, you know, we're moving, you know, cars are about 814 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,170 to be autonomous and they have big screens, why not? Home 815 00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:52,110 speakers have screens, you know, there's a little bit more, I 816 00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,750 think, I think podcasting could have a little bit more. 817 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920 Something that's just a bit more than audio a little bit less 818 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,250 than video, we get into that. And not everyone can afford an 819 00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:05,640 amazing production team. But if you can create your own visuals, 820 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,120 you're kind of halfway there without the studio and in the 821 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,410 editing skills. So hopefully, you know, it's 822 00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,010 if you don't mind me asking, do you have investors? Is that are 823 00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:19,410 you financing these yourself? Do you have day jobs? 824 00:52:20,339 --> 00:52:22,829 Oh, man, so I quit my day job, 825 00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:26,790 adulation. Nothing like 826 00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,390 nothing. And I'm talking like seven months ago since I last 827 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:39,690 got any income. No investors. So far, we've used our money to 828 00:52:39,690 --> 00:52:43,590 this point, and it's yeah, it's been an expensive adventure so 829 00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:45,720 far, but well worth it. Well worth it. 830 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,090 What's your background? 831 00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:54,450 My background, so I come from my backgrounds probably as mixed up 832 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:58,830 as my upbringing, which is being obviously wonderful, but like 833 00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:05,010 from so many places, so I went to school for biology, and 834 00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:09,450 pharmacy, and then decided that's not really my path. 835 00:53:09,509 --> 00:53:12,929 I went to school for pharmacy as well. Interestingly enough, just 836 00:53:13,019 --> 00:53:17,939 different different paths, different paths, but better 837 00:53:17,939 --> 00:53:19,289 living through medicine, baby. 838 00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:24,960 It is. But I decided maybe not the best way to earn good money. 839 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,950 So I got out and I worked for FinTech in a in FinTech for 840 00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:37,440 seven years. And then exited out 2021 After an amazing Ron, but I 841 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,590 decided, you know, I need to I need to do something else. And 842 00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:43,650 unlike all my other brethren that came out of FinTech and 843 00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:46,560 went to payments or buy now pay later, I decided to go for 844 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,350 something I'm really passionate about. And you said it earlier, 845 00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:54,030 you know, it's changes. I'm just looking more so than anything 846 00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:58,530 else to help change. And I think podcasting is just so huge, and 847 00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,280 it will become so much bigger, right? And we've got this, if we 848 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,250 go back to the start and obviously, Adam, you were there. 849 00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:08,430 But right, we had iPods and I've listened to a podcast and an 850 00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:12,360 iPod is now discontinued. I've listened to a lot of podcasts on 851 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,440 iPod Touch. Also discontinued. Yep. Now it's all iPhones and 852 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,110 smartphones. But if you look at the player screen, it hasn't 853 00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:22,740 really changed. Correct. It's the same thing. It's like a 854 00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:28,860 cassette deck, Play, Pause. fast forward and rewind. You know, 855 00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:33,120 yeah, like, Hey, I've seen this somewhere before. Yep. And it's, 856 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,360 it's essentially, what I would like to say the commercial side 857 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,260 is on the most valuable real estate in the world is correct, 858 00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:41,370 but it's a cassette deck. 859 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,020 Correct. Which is why we're so proud of our our boost button, 860 00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:49,650 being front and center as a way for people to support what 861 00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:52,920 they're listening to at that moment. I mean, that that, would 862 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:58,710 that. I mean, that wasn't even planned. She just happened. And 863 00:54:58,710 --> 00:55:01,920 then you know, confetti And, and all this other stuff. And that's 864 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,590 also a part of the open ecosystems, you get all this 865 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,430 creativity and, and you know, a lot of stuff falls by the 866 00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:11,280 wayside and a lot of stuff sticks a lot of stupid stuff 867 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,990 like scissors, but it's ours. Right. And, and and I think that 868 00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:18,960 translates through to the work that developers do it. It's it 869 00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:23,550 to me, I'm not a developer, you aren't either. But it's, it 870 00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:26,580 gives everybody the chance to be really creative and provide 871 00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:29,880 input. Even if you're not actually coding or doing 872 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,060 graphics or UX or UI. Everybody can have a say in it. It's 873 00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:33,810 really nice. 874 00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:38,040 Correct, correct. And what you guys are doing, it's incredible 875 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,380 it is it is a step forward in the journey. That's why I want 876 00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:44,550 to be in touch be taught by you guys and support the system as 877 00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,370 well. But you know, you're crossing the boundaries as well. 878 00:55:47,850 --> 00:55:50,130 People are always trying to define podcasting. What is it? 879 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,400 Oh, it has to be recorded. And well, no, you guys have found a 880 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,490 way to make it also life and it becomes an experience and part 881 00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:59,640 of people's rituals and ceremonies. Oh, 882 00:56:00,030 --> 00:56:06,840 nice. callback. Nice callback. I got a lot of good comments. Pod 883 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,730 sage on your, on your little soliloquy there on the last 884 00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:17,940 episode about not rituals, ceremony, and tradition and 885 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:20,730 stuff like that. That hit home with a lot of people. 886 00:56:21,330 --> 00:56:23,310 At least somebody did. I got zero feedback. 887 00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,930 I had to drag it out of it. But they admitted it finally, 888 00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:33,840 direct all your feedback to me through Adam, please. Yeah. 889 00:56:34,860 --> 00:56:43,470 Cool. What? So you clearly have podcasting 2.0 designs in mind. 890 00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:49,560 And like, what, what do you see? For visie? Like, how, what are 891 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,530 you? You're using the index, you're using the API, the 892 00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:56,250 podcast API. But as far as podcasting 2.0 features clearly 893 00:56:56,250 --> 00:57:00,240 chapters makes a lot of sense. What else do you think makes 894 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,180 sense for an app like visie? Going forward? 895 00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:10,500 A good question. And I sat down. So the sound bites is really 896 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,370 important, we have a very clean snip feature inside the app. So 897 00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:18,630 you can share five seconds, you can share two minutes, just the 898 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:20,910 bit you're interested in. And it comes across with the visual, 899 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,400 which is quite nice. Again, that's a small thing. It's like 900 00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:26,850 a little celebration at the end of a boost. But when you share 901 00:57:26,850 --> 00:57:29,760 it with the visual people click, they enjoy it. So the sound 902 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,120 bites, very interested, very interested in transcripts, and 903 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,310 very interested in trying to use our back end to maybe even take 904 00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:41,010 those transcripts and make them into really good visuals, so 905 00:57:41,010 --> 00:57:44,940 that we can have the same experiences playing a podcast, 906 00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:48,240 if you're hard of hearing, it's hard to enjoy a podcast, you can 907 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,090 read the transcript. But if you can read digested into little 908 00:57:51,090 --> 00:57:53,820 slides, then you can still have the same experience. You pull 909 00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:57,840 out your phone, you press play, and it'll start going. Almost 910 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,230 like captures in real time. Right? So we're very interested 911 00:58:01,230 --> 00:58:01,830 in using that. 912 00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:06,870 Not just that a lot of people who are not native English 913 00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:11,280 speakers enjoy it immensely. To read along with what they're 914 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,910 hearing. And so making that a different visual experience 915 00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:15,540 perfect. 916 00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:20,880 Absolutely. And as natural language processing gets better, 917 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,300 you should be able to have real time translation captions. So 918 00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:28,320 then there's no borders in where the podcasts coming from, which 919 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,410 is 920 00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:34,320 the dreams and dream. Yes. And my podcast Apple order my milk 921 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,790 when I'm running out, I cannot wait. The Dream babies the 922 00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:39,270 dream? 923 00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:42,930 I'm not sure we're gonna manage to turn it into a super app, not 924 00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:46,260 pre funding, depending on our first round, if we can. 925 00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:50,580 Obviously, the funding is really important. And I think the more 926 00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:54,600 the merrier. We're not trying to replace ads. I think the 927 00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:59,370 podcasts you choose. If they want ads, they can keep the ads 928 00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:02,730 if they don't want to, and they can do it through commerce and 929 00:59:02,730 --> 00:59:04,920 through links. That's great for them. But the funding and the 930 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,820 booster grams are important. And the last thing we're really 931 00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:11,070 interested in obviously we're interested in all of them is the 932 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,940 alternate enclosures. Because you know you could have video 933 00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:18,330 you can have a visie it just gives a lot more creative, 934 00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:21,210 creative flex, to have that available to 935 00:59:21,509 --> 00:59:27,029 create a flex, creative flex, creator flex, is that what you 936 00:59:27,029 --> 00:59:28,439 said creator flex, 937 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,530 creative, flex, flex, okay, 938 00:59:31,529 --> 00:59:34,529 I'm always looking for a good title, creative flex, 939 00:59:35,129 --> 00:59:38,459 creative flex, because it's hard right? If you're publishing a 940 00:59:38,459 --> 00:59:42,059 podcast now, according to your guys's stats think this 4.8 941 00:59:42,059 --> 00:59:45,299 million at the moment is hard to differentiate. So giving you 942 00:59:45,299 --> 00:59:48,389 more tools, hopefully we'll have that help that along. 943 00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:51,210 With were you What do you think? Go ahead. 944 00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,940 Are you going to? Or do you think you're going to do a web 945 00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:58,380 app at any point? Are you pretty committed to native apps on the 946 00:59:58,380 --> 00:59:59,970 different on the two different platforms? 947 01:00:02,490 --> 01:00:06,060 Fantastic question we do, we definitely want to do a web 948 01:00:06,060 --> 01:00:09,990 player app that has the same experience. So currently, we 949 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:12,960 have a web player, you don't need the app to listen to it, 950 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,570 you can just press play. But we want to bring in that experience 951 01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:18,330 where you can scroll through the carousel independently of the 952 01:00:18,330 --> 01:00:22,740 audio, and also interact with the buttons. We haven't thought 953 01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:27,510 about a full player on a web app, certainly put it on the 954 01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:30,690 roadmap, there will probably be a product question getting a 955 01:00:30,690 --> 01:00:34,440 little bit of feedback and thinking, are people going to 956 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,220 use it? Do they have a requirement for it? In saying 957 01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:41,760 that there is some research? I think that came out of pod news, 958 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,770 that desktop listening is increasing? So the increasing 959 01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:48,900 use case for that increasing? Yes, 960 01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:52,260 really? Yeah, that's an issue because we, we talk a lot about 961 01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:57,960 that share of the, the stats around female podcast listeners, 962 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,320 they listened tend to listen a lot on the web. But that's, it's 963 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,140 interesting that that would that the web percentage would be in 964 01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:09,360 would be increasing. I don't know if he knows funny. I think 965 01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:13,380 that is I'm pulling this completely out of my butt. I 966 01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:18,000 have no idea if this is true or not. But it's just I feel like 967 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,750 the web is having a little bit of a resurgence. I mean, I 968 01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:26,790 agree. You know, it's not, Nate. And I would say native apps are 969 01:01:26,790 --> 01:01:30,450 still, they're still super important. They're still they 970 01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:36,420 still feel better on a mobile platform. But I find myself more 971 01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:40,260 and more dissatisfied with being in front of a tiny screen. If I 972 01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:44,160 want to get any real work done, I really just longed to be in 973 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,140 front of a decent sized screen with a full fledged computer. 974 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,120 And once you're there, I mean, you really want to be able to 975 01:01:54,120 --> 01:02:01,170 listen, or interact. I mean, because perfect example. I've 976 01:02:01,170 --> 01:02:05,640 been trying to get some stuff learned on the guitar, but 977 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,390 trying to learn a couple of songs, and going through some 978 01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:13,830 lessons on a couple of things with pick technique. And it just 979 01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:17,670 the other night, it just drove me nuts, I had to just put down 980 01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:20,640 the phone because I'm sitting there on the couch, with with 981 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640 the guitar and and with the phone trying to prop it up 982 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,890 against everything. And I was like, Screw this, and I just 983 01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,530 walked over to the computer, a computer sat down in front of it 984 01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:33,150 at the desk. And now I have a huge nice screen, good speakers. 985 01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:38,220 I can watch the guy join this pig technique. I'm comfortable. 986 01:02:38,370 --> 01:02:42,240 It was like, Ah, just this breath of fresh air getting away 987 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,250 from the stupid mobile screen. And like I think sometimes, and 988 01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:51,360 especially the like, people are fond of saying that, you know, 989 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,610 oh, when people listen to podcasts, nobody looks at their 990 01:02:53,610 --> 01:02:57,360 phone while they're listening to a podcast. Well, I mean, I find 991 01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,210 myself looking at the phone more and more now that there's a 992 01:03:00,210 --> 01:03:03,480 reason to with podcasting 2.0 chapters and all these kinds of 993 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:09,480 things. And I find that you've combined combine all that into a 994 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,330 really good web experience for podcasting. I think it can go 995 01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:17,850 really far and do a lot. I mean, we've already seen it with 996 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,700 curio, gastropod Vers, pod friend. These are, these are 997 01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:28,140 apps that have a really high quality web experience. And I 998 01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:32,040 think I think that's bringing people back to to see how good 999 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,880 web can be. 1000 01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:37,770 You know, I've been using web apps almost exclusively for 1001 01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:43,770 years now. I mean, I use I use apps, but I love the web. I my 1002 01:03:43,770 --> 01:03:49,080 email was rain loop, which is part of next cloud. That's a web 1003 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,110 app. And you know, I love web apps that also desktop apps 1004 01:03:52,110 --> 01:03:55,590 like, curio caster, it's kind of, I don't know, it works for 1005 01:03:55,590 --> 01:03:58,440 me, because the mobile experience is good. And the 1006 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,930 desktop experience is literally expanded. 1007 01:04:01,890 --> 01:04:05,370 I saw an app, another app this week, somebody showed me an app 1008 01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:12,420 in private. And it was a web first app. And clear, like 1009 01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:17,100 designed from the ground up web first. And that takes that takes 1010 01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,460 some balls. I mean, like to do to do that in this day and age 1011 01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:24,690 is to say, Okay, we're gonna go web first and then native app, 1012 01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:28,290 is Latinos an afterthought because you're it's a risk. It's 1013 01:04:28,290 --> 01:04:30,360 a monad. It's a it's a financial risk, you know, 1014 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,710 that's a big move. 1015 01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:37,110 Yeah, it is. But but you know, I guess, I guess if, if the shares 1016 01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,760 are increasing, and if there is sort of a swing pendulum swing 1017 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:48,600 back the other way, I guess we know Hey, might work. Yep, but I 1018 01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:50,820 think it's worth doing them. 1019 01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:56,490 I think you're right, and I can speak for myself if I have. It's 1020 01:04:56,490 --> 01:04:59,430 funny. We have a lot of screens around us. Somehow the 1021 01:04:59,430 --> 01:05:02,520 experience of On desktop or a laptop, just a full functioning 1022 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:06,570 PC is a lot better. And I'm drawn to it, you know, I've got 1023 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,920 my PC on my desk, and I've got my phone in my hand, more often 1024 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,700 than not, I've got a slack to reply to, I'll use my desktop, 1025 01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:16,620 as an example, right? Because 1026 01:05:16,620 --> 01:05:20,160 you can use either one, that app that I was talking about that I 1027 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,740 was shown, what was so great about it is it was it had all of 1028 01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:32,280 this content that the user they the screen was just packed full 1029 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,150 of good content. You weren't, like when you're on the phone, 1030 01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:39,780 I'm sure he would visit you. I mean, you know, this intimately, 1031 01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:44,520 is like, you have to agonize over putting one more thing on 1032 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,190 the screen, because it's going to screw everything up. You 1033 01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:49,830 know, it's like you just got such little tiny little space. 1034 01:05:49,830 --> 01:05:52,710 But you know, when you have all that real estate for a web app, 1035 01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:55,650 it's like, ah, you know, it's just pretty nice. Spread out. 1036 01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:57,990 Yeah. And just, you don't have to, you don't have to worry 1037 01:05:57,990 --> 01:06:00,210 about ran out of room is good. 1038 01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:04,230 And you're all NDA up on this. You can't tell us more about it. 1039 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:07,650 I'm thoroughly like Todd man, put me on the top. 1040 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,440 Oh, it's my new thing. What do you think is what I do? 1041 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:17,400 Todd? Yeah. Cool. So you definitely plan on, on what 1042 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,270 you're investigating value for value, streaming payments, and 1043 01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:22,620 booths, etc. Now, right? 1044 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:29,130 Yes, yes. Cool. Very cool. Yeah, as well as all the others would 1045 01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:35,310 love to have all of that in our authoring tool. And just to keep 1046 01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:38,370 it the more places because because there's some feedback 1047 01:06:38,370 --> 01:06:44,010 from the podcast producers as well. And it's, what's the egg 1048 01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:48,330 situation where they love and love what it does and respect 1049 01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:50,910 that their listeners will really enjoy it. But there's always a 1050 01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:54,180 little bit of, you know, how many places can people enjoy 1051 01:06:54,180 --> 01:07:00,030 this in, and it will be good to slowly start opening that up. As 1052 01:07:00,030 --> 01:07:02,790 as the standard and the namespace comes together, I 1053 01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:06,990 think we can really have it across enough listener density, 1054 01:07:07,260 --> 01:07:09,660 that it becomes more and more attractive becomes a bit of a 1055 01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:13,140 snowball effect with people rolling towards us, rather than, 1056 01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:17,100 you know, a walled garden where you get 1.5 cents for an ad, 1057 01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:23,160 right? Yeah, I'm, I'm coming it kind of enamored by this, I just 1058 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,990 kind of clicked in my head, the idea that any app can onboard a 1059 01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:34,560 podcaster. And then that works in all the other value enabled 1060 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:35,160 apps. 1061 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:36,720 Exactly. 1062 01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:39,660 It's really it's really kind of, it's really, I mean, that's, 1063 01:07:39,690 --> 01:07:43,110 that's what fountain does, that system works. I wish more would 1064 01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:47,190 do that. I understand that just building a, an onboarding path 1065 01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:51,090 and within your app is not something you just do. But wow, 1066 01:07:51,090 --> 01:07:54,270 does it does it really make it? I mean, that's a whole new when 1067 01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:59,100 you, here's what happens. So I helped onboard a very big Dutch 1068 01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:03,060 podcaster. And so they're just getting their feet wet with all 1069 01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:07,500 this stuff. And they really had a company doing this for them. 1070 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,700 And now they're doing it all themselves. And so they, you 1071 01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,280 know, they chose out of their own volition Oh, that we'd like 1072 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,530 pod verse, we'd like fountain. And so they saw the booster 1073 01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:22,170 grams and fountain said, Okay, how do we do that? Well, you 1074 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,080 onboard that way. And so now it's kind of like a closed 1075 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,650 ecosystem, even though it'll work on any other app. That you 1076 01:08:28,650 --> 01:08:32,670 know, the benefit to fountain is because they're using fountain 1077 01:08:32,670 --> 01:08:35,340 to listen and to create, they're going to tell the listeners to 1078 01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:39,810 use fountain. So I think these types of things are important 1079 01:08:39,810 --> 01:08:43,800 for all developers to think about. Because it's, it's a 1080 01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:45,540 creative flex. 1081 01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:51,270 Yeah, yeah. Cuz that's what I see happening as a sort of side 1082 01:08:51,270 --> 01:08:55,080 effect of all this is that it's sort of blurring the lines 1083 01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:01,170 between host and listen, and because especially to take 1084 01:09:01,170 --> 01:09:07,860 Vaizey for instance. If you have that tool, the tool, you know, 1085 01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:13,860 the tools can live outside of the traditional client server 1086 01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:19,560 split or host listen split. So you can have your I think, I 1087 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,800 think you're right, I think apricots are sort of created or 1088 01:09:22,830 --> 01:09:27,240 launched this idea that you can have, you can have the hosting 1089 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,720 company, hosting your podcast, and then you can have the app 1090 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,990 reading the podcast. But then you have this other thing over 1091 01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:37,680 here. This sort of like it's neither one and then Stephen B 1092 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,080 is taking this and going logician you know, just run just 1093 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,180 flat off the cliff with it and said, you know, we're going to 1094 01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:47,580 do everything where it's this third option, and that tells you 1095 01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:53,430 that any app can cannot just, I get okay here. I'm losing 1096 01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:57,930 myself. But what I'm trying to say is that, I think an app like 1097 01:09:57,930 --> 01:10:03,630 visie and and And what others are doing shows that the app 1098 01:10:03,660 --> 01:10:07,260 doesn't just have to be a consumption device. It cannot it 1099 01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:10,170 it's, it can be a two way street. Does that make sense? 1100 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:10,440 No. 1101 01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:14,460 It makes sense. It makes sense. It can be a two way street. And 1102 01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:20,010 also the, in this situation, the tools that you use in order to 1103 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:23,220 get an output in an app can definitely be cross platform. 1104 01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:28,080 How do you curate in one spot, and output to many spots, and 1105 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,360 then people can choose right, some people absolutely love 1106 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,030 their overcast. Some people, surprisingly, love Apple 1107 01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:36,570 podcasts for some reason, you know, some people will use, let 1108 01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:39,720 them use the app that they want. And let us try and get that 1109 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,750 experience across as many of them as we can. And including, 1110 01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:46,170 you know, web, and desktop, as you mentioned, I think that will 1111 01:10:46,170 --> 01:10:49,650 be really important. And it'll take it'll take collaboration. 1112 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,390 So I think this is a good place as a central point for everyone 1113 01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:56,880 that wants to build on this system. And obviously, like, 1114 01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:02,280 reach out at me on LinkedIn. You know, let's talk about it. You 1115 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,520 know, strategically, we can work together to try and make it 1116 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,270 work. Otherwise, it might just fractionalize Even more, 1117 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,280 which is Steven, is people like dog catch. 1118 01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:19,710 There it is, in a nutshell, everybody. 1119 01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:26,520 Do you think you'd ever tried to do some partnerships, like with 1120 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,450 hosting companies like blueberry or pet sprout or rss.com, or 1121 01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:30,990 something like that? 1122 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,620 I would love to explore it, I'd love to explore because I think 1123 01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,590 the strength with that is, you know, if we can build a really 1124 01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:40,350 compelling tool that's really easy to use people like when 1125 01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:43,260 things look good, they're clean, they're easy to use, but then 1126 01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:47,130 provide it to them at scale, where they already are without 1127 01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:50,970 having to change their, you know, ceremony or ritual or how 1128 01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:54,900 they produce their show. I think that will actually expand things 1129 01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:56,970 quicker, rather than obtaining them one by one. 1130 01:11:58,440 --> 01:11:59,310 That makes sense. Yeah. 1131 01:12:01,710 --> 01:12:04,470 Shall we? I'm sorry, go ahead. 1132 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:06,990 Up nope, that's it for me. 1133 01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,140 Oh, I was just gonna suggest maybe we thank a few people who 1134 01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:14,910 supported the project. With their time, talent and treasure, 1135 01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:17,430 this will be the treasure portion. And for those of you 1136 01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:21,870 who are new value for value, look at value for value.io. 1137 01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:25,800 Value number four value.io is a brief explanation. It's a 1138 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,350 precursor to the big manifesto, I'm still working on with 1139 01:12:28,350 --> 01:12:34,860 Professor Ted. It is forthcoming. And actually, Tina 1140 01:12:34,860 --> 01:12:37,740 is going away with her daughter for a couple of days next week, 1141 01:12:37,770 --> 01:12:40,710 I hope to be able to wrap it up. It's gonna be like, there's no 1142 01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:43,920 this there's no distractions, everything will be everything 1143 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,150 will be perfect for you 1144 01:12:45,150 --> 01:12:47,460 that close Are you that close to I mean, like you could wrap it 1145 01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:48,630 up within a couple of days? 1146 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,440 Well, I'd like to wrap it up. And then I want to send it past 1147 01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:56,430 Gigi, he's offered to take a look. Oh, good, I want to send 1148 01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:59,610 it past you. And then when Tina comes back, I want to throw it 1149 01:12:59,610 --> 01:13:02,070 to the Tina wash because that's you know, that's kind of like 1150 01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:05,910 the ultimate triple wash that's organic, it was the enter with 1151 01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:09,900 the green goo Yeah, you get the green goo wash and the blow dry. 1152 01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,700 And, and that and then I think it should it should be good to 1153 01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:19,080 go. But anyway, value for value means whatever you're getting 1154 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,130 out of this project and I think even as a just to a listener, 1155 01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:26,010 you're probably seeing all of this stuff all this value that's 1156 01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:30,300 being created. And one way to return that to the project into 1157 01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:34,980 the show which is really just the facade for the project is by 1158 01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:37,800 going to podcast index.org down at the bottom you have a couple 1159 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,650 ways to donate your Fiat fund coupons are welcomed through 1160 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,170 PayPal. You can send on chain Bitcoin, if you have a couple 1161 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:50,700 laying around we put all that on our node we provide liquidity 1162 01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,480 with that which has been going quite well actually. The fees 1163 01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,210 are the perfect spot now we're no one's complaining about them 1164 01:13:57,210 --> 01:14:00,420 and we're also not being drained. Our channels aren't 1165 01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:03,780 being drained it's and I haven't had to write unless you're 1166 01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:06,390 rebalancing I haven't had to rebalance anything in the past 1167 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:11,220 at least four weeks. Are you kidding? We have these moments 1168 01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:13,980 like okay man, I gotta I gotta restart the node which means 1169 01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:17,160 it's gonna go into compact note we both sit there with sweaty 1170 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,450 butt cracks for 20 minutes Yes, like Oh, and with Graham on 1171 01:14:21,450 --> 01:14:24,210 signal like Dude, can you just make it you sure is it coming 1172 01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,550 back up? Will it will it come back to life? 1173 01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:33,150 I have bugged him so much I feel bad about it. Now like there's I 1174 01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:35,610 mean if you've done all that and Sir Spencer hasn't popped up 1175 01:14:35,610 --> 01:14:37,110 yet. You've done a good job. 1176 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,640 He still has a channel with us. I think so that's that means 1177 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,870 good. We still have love and of course we'd love the boost and 1178 01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:48,210 the booster grands let me just hit a couple of the live ones we 1179 01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:53,010 got a while we were lit and only the booster Graham so we had 1180 01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:56,520 Steven B with his Rolodex for what tech stack is busy using we 1181 01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,920 handle that and we see we have a booster RAM from C Dubs. Thank 1182 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:12,900 you for 2222 and a 333. Hard Hat row a duck's Mike Newman 55,555. 1183 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,950 And oh, 1184 01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:15,900 he says, Yeah, you know what we should 1185 01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:25,320 and I can't drive 55 booths for y'all from New Mexico where this 1186 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:31,230 Texican with this Texan Texican with this Texas where this Texan 1187 01:15:31,230 --> 01:15:34,920 literally can't go podcasting 1188 01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:39,480 get lost in the translation 1189 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:44,580 somehow he's driving 20,000 SATs from Brando sellers. Who says 1190 01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:47,460 doubling my boost from last week to make up for the error 1191 01:15:48,389 --> 01:15:50,219 though from the sleek podcast 1192 01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:59,340 no right there you go 44,444 SATs from petyarre No a big 1193 01:15:59,340 --> 01:15:59,820 boosters 1194 01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:00,960 here. Yes, he 1195 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:08,430 says a pre booster ejaculation boost actually boost that's more 1196 01:16:08,430 --> 01:16:17,280 like N four v x. Ro 611 11 live on curio Castro 2101 e s t 1197 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:22,050 That's right. Oh nice. Yeah, there's a cool hardhat was also 1198 01:16:22,050 --> 01:16:26,820 pre boasting another row of ducks. Same from now this this 1199 01:16:26,820 --> 01:16:32,580 is interesting. I put the pending tag in two hours before 1200 01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:36,150 showtime and people were boosting on it. Oh, boosting all 1201 01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:38,730 the pending tag boosting on the pending time which is legal in 1202 01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:39,690 all 50 states 1203 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,960 through through pod verse or through Korea cast or both. 1204 01:16:43,470 --> 01:16:49,980 Let's see This is curio caster with elite boost 1337 and four v 1205 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,800 VX pre boosting the Saturday night podcast party. Well, it's 1206 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,210 Friday night. Another one from en for VX. Forget the third 1207 01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:00,570 rail. That's mo facts. I'm sorry. 1208 01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:03,720 You're crossing the street. I 1209 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,480 think I am crossing the streams here. I don't know. Here we go. 1210 01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,010 Kyron pre boosting for the mystery guest is it the ghost of 1211 01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:14,550 Sidney Gottlieb to help Dave with his MK Ultra experiments. 1212 01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:22,080 And that was boosted four hours ago by chyron on the live item, 1213 01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:25,980 because I got it here in the helipad row stakes. And that 1214 01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:30,030 will Yeah, so that was definitely on the on the pre on 1215 01:17:30,030 --> 01:17:31,860 the pending pending lit. 1216 01:17:32,519 --> 01:17:36,389 And where are you? Where are you in in Australia with? I'm in 1217 01:17:36,389 --> 01:17:39,839 Sydney? Sydney. Okay, all right. In Brisbane, 1218 01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:43,920 and then just in under the wire before we go back over the 1219 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:51,870 booster grams from the weak Dred Scott. Who is the Bruce Wayne of 1220 01:17:51,870 --> 01:17:56,340 podcasting? 2.0 Ladies and gentlemen 50,000 SATs right 1221 01:17:56,340 --> 01:18:00,840 there Oosting it live or listening on pod verse on i Oh s 1222 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:07,620 go podcasting. And he has little he might from iOS. Yeah. And he 1223 01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:11,490 has a little mic emoji and down arrow. So Mic drop. 1224 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,520 You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little bit of 1225 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,240 this. Can you hear this? 1226 01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:21,270 Is that a dog toy? This is the scissor six. Not a doggy toy for 1227 01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:26,160 sure. That's Wow. They are. No they're your scissors are huge. 1228 01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:34,290 Yes. What I've been told. We got a we got to pay pal from Anthony 1229 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,330 Thomas zoo ski for $20 and it is from the static podcast Adam and 1230 01:18:39,330 --> 01:18:41,760 Dave, thanks for all you do. Dave Thanks for the help the 1231 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,050 other day go podcasting. 1232 01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:46,950 Go podcasting. Thank you very much. We appreciate that podcast 1233 01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:51,900 we get another one from Andrew Kelly right under the wire at 1234 01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:55,140 $10 through PayPal and he says go podcasting 1235 01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:05,070 that's it that's it for the that's it for the single weekly 1236 01:19:05,550 --> 01:19:12,630 I was chatting with with Roy and we are going Roy from breeze we 1237 01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:16,020 are going through a transformation here which I've 1238 01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:19,170 been playing paying very close attention to we've been 1239 01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:23,790 migrating away from Fiat fun coupons through PayPal into 1240 01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:29,310 booster grams without Now of course there's some bitcoin 1241 01:19:29,310 --> 01:19:35,550 pricing but without really dipping too much in in the 1242 01:19:35,550 --> 01:19:40,860 overall income to fund the fund the system. It's it's this is 1243 01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:42,900 very important what we're doing here. 1244 01:19:43,710 --> 01:19:45,030 It's a smooth transition. 1245 01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,620 It appears to be Yeah, it really does. And I'm incredibly 1246 01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:52,470 impressed. Now of course we're asking people to pay attention 1247 01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:57,690 to what they're boosting. And I think the the live factor is is 1248 01:19:57,690 --> 01:20:01,800 definitely helping that I mean no i No, it is it's it's helping 1249 01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:05,940 keep everything where we need it to be at without, you know, and 1250 01:20:05,940 --> 01:20:09,720 just without losing any steam because we're losing the PayPal. 1251 01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:14,370 And we we did lose the so we and we did lose a pipe we lost a $50 1252 01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:17,550 a month donor subscription through Pay Pal. So then this 1253 01:20:17,550 --> 01:20:22,920 month and that's, that's why we build the war chest like we are 1254 01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,950 always talking about building up, you know a good savings 1255 01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,280 because, you know, we want the economies go up and down this 1256 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,340 $50 month I mean, they may be I don't know maybe he lost his job 1257 01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:34,980 maybe something like that that's always gonna be the case. And so 1258 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,700 we you know, we want to be self sufficient. And that's that's 1259 01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:38,940 what we 1260 01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:41,310 do. And also look at the industry everywhere people are 1261 01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:45,930 cutting back five, eight 10% stopping hiring budgets are 1262 01:20:45,930 --> 01:20:50,310 being slashed. We had no budget to start with. It's hard to say 1263 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:55,440 are we all we have is the Is this the Bitcoin on the node and 1264 01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,320 our little war chests that we just keep very carefully 1265 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,500 watching so that, you know we can always pay the bills? 1266 01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:06,090 That's right. And Karen, for the mere mortals podcast helps us 1267 01:21:06,090 --> 01:21:10,410 pay the bills that 3790 SATs through curio caster. He says, 1268 01:21:10,590 --> 01:21:14,250 You've both inspired me to do a whole episode on music 2.0 1269 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:21,540 Nice little music a boost. 1270 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,830 And Dave, you're reading with backup music from Adam was 1271 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:27,420 wonderful, poetic even 1272 01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:33,840 dude, I need to say something about that. So you were reading. 1273 01:21:34,710 --> 01:21:37,230 I'm thinking I gotta do something with this. I go 1274 01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:39,870 quickly, I go find some Green Sleeves, because that's what 1275 01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:44,580 that what that track is is two minutes or like a minute 25 I 1276 01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:49,200 started I fade it in under you and you end it and you actually 1277 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,500 drag out the ending of your read all the way to the end of the 1278 01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,950 music. One of the most professional things I've ever 1279 01:21:55,980 --> 01:22:01,650 seen someone do on a podcast. That's right, seriously, and 1280 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:06,300 it's also because you're a musician. It was it was good, 1281 01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:07,740 man. That was impressive. 1282 01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,550 All those years of college radio, hospital radio. 1283 01:22:12,420 --> 01:22:13,230 That'll do it. 1284 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,410 Hashtag never skip the V for V section. 1285 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,840 Agreed? Hell yeah. 1286 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:24,930 Don't skip. Don't be a hater. Thank you don't just post Chris 1287 01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:31,440 Fisher, our buddy from Jupiter broadcasting 6666 sets through 1288 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:35,010 fountain he says pod father and sage my apologies about the 1289 01:22:35,010 --> 01:22:36,540 overexcited Linux crowd. 1290 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,730 Loose Bucha know we love the overexcited Linux crowd. 1291 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,380 You know how technical users are they always want to provide a 1292 01:22:46,380 --> 01:22:50,160 solution to a problem and being the Linux user who converted the 1293 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,340 pod father to Linux would be a feather in their cap. The Linux 1294 01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:57,030 fans just get excited on behalf of all of them. I apologize when 1295 01:22:57,030 --> 01:23:00,630 I was a young lad I would do I too was much like them these 1296 01:23:00,630 --> 01:23:03,780 days I say record however you want to record just do your 1297 01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:04,860 thing and pod on 1298 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,950 well I'm I'm very excited about the about the road caster. Yes, 1299 01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:14,340 I'm getting my hopes up. I'm getting old JD about it. Because 1300 01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,630 that thing although you can't run the software it that should 1301 01:23:18,630 --> 01:23:23,520 just integrate with with Linux fine. With existing shit. 1302 01:23:24,210 --> 01:23:29,040 I keep man I hope that thing works good. I can't. I'm afraid 1303 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,950 of the fear that it's just gonna like there's gonna be a fatal 1304 01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:32,460 flaw 1305 01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:37,320 but you'll be there to catch me. I was when when I collapsed in a 1306 01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,620 heap of disappointment. You'll be you'll be there for me baby. 1307 01:23:40,889 --> 01:23:42,059 I'd be there to catch you with these 1308 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,650 monk Monty kaka gave us 500 sets and he's the fountain and he 1309 01:23:52,650 --> 01:23:57,210 says I love Ron Paul too. Yay. I don't know what this 1310 01:23:57,599 --> 01:23:59,039 is okay, but we'll take it 1311 01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:05,760 Yeah, okay. I always remember when you asked Ron Paul in your 1312 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,540 when you interviewed him feels a structure or a folder or a 1313 01:24:09,540 --> 01:24:11,700 folder and he was like he got all offended. He 1314 01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:14,040 was like what you're talking I don't see what that has to do 1315 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,560 with the conversation. It was at the very end of like, one more 1316 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,700 question. Senator or Senator Paul. Are you fold or scrunch 1317 01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:23,580 here? He's like I don't see how that is relevant to this. 1318 01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:26,940 i He was not a 1319 01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:29,520 Don I was egged on to do it. Everyone's like, Come on, man. 1320 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,030 You got to ask him. You got an he had no humor about that. He 1321 01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:34,260 had zero humor. 1322 01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:37,170 If nobody knows what they miss about toothpaste tubes. 1323 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,910 Toilet paper. Oh, toilet 1324 01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:48,060 paper. Okay. Toilet paper. I forgot. Boris because they'll 1325 01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,930 ski. Give us 200 SATs. And he says thanks for saving the 1326 01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:52,710 podcasting. 1327 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,640 And we do that in our spare time. 1328 01:24:56,940 --> 01:25:00,660 Yeah, on a Tuesday. Yeah. Blueberry. I'll So known as 1329 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,910 boost, burry gave us 3333 sets. All right, he says, Thank you, 1330 01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:09,630 Dave and Steven B for helping for the help getting in our in a 1331 01:25:09,630 --> 01:25:12,960 tube channel working in the index. Anyone want to use 1332 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:13,560 behind? 1333 01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:16,530 Behind the schemes? Oh, I 1334 01:25:16,530 --> 01:25:19,440 see. I see what he means. Anyone wants to use behind the scheme's 1335 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,800 as guinea pigs with scissors for live video in app we're game? 1336 01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:27,360 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Let's get that going. I got my camera 1337 01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:28,380 everything. I'm ready. 1338 01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,110 You didn't fire up the camera this time? Did 1339 01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:37,470 you know I was afraid of fear? Well, because here's what has to 1340 01:25:37,470 --> 01:25:46,830 happen. Video has to be working in in pod verse. Because you 1341 01:25:46,830 --> 01:25:49,830 because I want it you put the video stream you put that into 1342 01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:55,620 the enclosure on the live item tag. That's the next step. I 1343 01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,190 don't know. I don't even know if curio caster can do that yet. 1344 01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:03,570 I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. But 1345 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,900 once we have that, then you know, then we just fired up and 1346 01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:10,320 then people will see some video and I don't know what it'll be. 1347 01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:15,480 But you'll see something moving. And then you'll hear the audio 1348 01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:19,500 now I'll still I'll still throw it out to the to the stream. And 1349 01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:22,830 we still use the same chat room. But that That for me is the next 1350 01:26:22,830 --> 01:26:24,900 step. That's the next thing I want to do. 1351 01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:31,560 Nick does divisi support video at all? Currently, we do not any 1352 01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:32,040 plans? 1353 01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:37,440 Definitely. Definitely. I think I think video for those that 1354 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,500 choose to do video production or they just use the camera on 1355 01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:43,140 their laptops. I think it's I think it's good. Some people are 1356 01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:48,510 really enjoying it. And you can see of the podcasts that are 1357 01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,810 using video with a poor bit more production. They're getting 1358 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,490 they're getting quite a lot of fraction there's because they're 1359 01:26:53,490 --> 01:26:57,960 showing visuals on the screens, charts, pictures, places. And 1360 01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,670 he's good. He's getting actually pretty good traction. 1361 01:26:59,820 --> 01:27:03,870 Hey, you should also take a look at the maps guys. Was it maps.fm 1362 01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:05,160 day? Oh, yeah, 1363 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,820 yeah, yeah, that's right. So in Cridland Crillon is involved in 1364 01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:11,730 that somehow right. And he like advisor advisor or something? 1365 01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:13,230 I believe so. 1366 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,060 That means there'll be sold soon. 1367 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,750 For his exit strategy. Yeah, 1368 01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,320 sure. No, if I had to sell something I get critical 1369 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,280 involved. Heck, yeah. Anyway, that's something that's 1370 01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,980 something to think about Nick, is that you could do cool ass 1371 01:27:28,980 --> 01:27:32,130 maps. Shit. That's the acronym is. 1372 01:27:32,610 --> 01:27:34,710 Cas sit in your pitch deck. 1373 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,760 It's called we have the CAS which is this new feature we've 1374 01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,740 just introduced it's an acronym for cool at CAS cams. There you 1375 01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:50,250 go. Thank you. Cool last match. cams. Also another possible 1376 01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:51,540 title cams. 1377 01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:55,230 What what VC wouldn't go for that? Yeah. 1378 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,050 Cool. Last map should baby come on. That's what we're talking 1379 01:27:58,050 --> 01:27:58,530 about. 1380 01:27:59,009 --> 01:28:06,269 Perfect time for it. It's not it's not it's not as it's not a 1381 01:28:06,269 --> 01:28:10,289 suggestion far from our pitch deck. I mean, like, you can do 1382 01:28:10,289 --> 01:28:15,299 cool. You can do some cool as shit like, walking tour. Once 1383 01:28:15,299 --> 01:28:18,929 you once you've got that visual on the screen. Yeah, the world 1384 01:28:18,929 --> 01:28:19,919 really opens up with 1385 01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:23,640 Yeah, I used to do this thing called the sound seeing tours. 1386 01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:29,670 And I'd set up, I had a great stereo mic. And I'd walk I 1387 01:28:29,670 --> 01:28:33,420 walked Union Square One time at midnight in San Francisco talk 1388 01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:36,540 to whole bunch of homeless people, which was interesting, 1389 01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:38,760 but you know, I just be describing as I'm walking and 1390 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,720 the quality was so beautiful of this of these microphones. And 1391 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:48,030 people loved it. I one time I recorded my entire flight. I am 1392 01:28:48,030 --> 01:28:51,840 a pilot and I flew myself over the over the English Channel and 1393 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,590 as I hoped in the radio, and so I was narrating what it was just 1394 01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:58,770 a solo flight. But I was narrating and it had this really 1395 01:28:58,770 --> 01:29:02,370 cool deep rumble from the engines and it really became an 1396 01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:05,580 immersive experience and to be able to enhance that. Oh man. 1397 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,520 Creative flex babies. 1398 01:29:09,269 --> 01:29:11,159 So cool. Greater flex. 1399 01:29:11,550 --> 01:29:13,770 Was that on it? Was that on a separate thing or was that on 1400 01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:14,250 daily source 1401 01:29:14,250 --> 01:29:17,250 code daily source code? Oh, cool. Yeah, it's out there 1402 01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:17,730 somewhere. 1403 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:22,350 Ferrell Jeremy sent us 1000 SATs through fountain and he says 1404 01:29:22,710 --> 01:29:30,210 first time booster Keep up the good work. Welcome Nomad Joe 1405 01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:33,600 since 2000 SATs and he says boosted 1406 01:29:35,700 --> 01:29:37,260 red roof boosted 1407 01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:44,880 our Davis 87 cents 10,000 SATs for episode this is interesting. 1408 01:29:45,090 --> 01:29:47,910 He sent it this week but it was for episode 74 1409 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,720 Bank is way behind. That's all right. We'll take it at least we 1410 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,540 know what you were listening. What was episode 79 You said or 1411 01:29:54,540 --> 01:29:56,610 7574 confetti 1412 01:29:56,610 --> 01:29:57,090 cannon? 1413 01:29:57,780 --> 01:30:01,320 Oh, okay, back But it's going back 1414 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:07,620 like 14 weeks ago. Podcasting 2.0 To the Moon go podcasting 1415 01:30:07,620 --> 01:30:15,870 boost floydian slips give us 5000 SATs through fountain Nene 1416 01:30:15,870 --> 01:30:22,110 says this is boost advertising for post get podcasting for last 1417 01:30:22,110 --> 01:30:26,310 it is boost vertising for podcasting for value last hard 1418 01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:29,190 to say when idiots attempt at starting a value for value 1419 01:30:29,190 --> 01:30:30,000 podcast. 1420 01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:32,370 That chyron No no, no 1421 01:30:32,370 --> 01:30:36,360 no no this is floydian slips. 1422 01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,850 Oh, okay. All right, Ford you've slipped Yeah, 1423 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:45,330 yeah. See Sam Sethi Oh 100 sets he says test using pod verse and 1424 01:30:45,330 --> 01:30:45,720 LB 1425 01:30:48,270 --> 01:30:51,540 CASAS receives the boost 1426 01:30:52,890 --> 01:30:54,330 delimiter comic strip blogger. 1427 01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:55,740 Oh, there he is. Everybody 1428 01:30:56,130 --> 01:31:00,990 15,033 sets through fountain and he says, howdy, David. Adam. I 1429 01:31:00,990 --> 01:31:03,990 hope Russian nuclear missiles didn't reach you didn't reach 1430 01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:09,510 you yet. I invite your listeners and vet your listeners to other 1431 01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:13,260 podcast by Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent smash 1432 01:31:13,260 --> 01:31:18,480 cast that that he is doing with DC girl it's about art. Art of 1433 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,440 sex in new episode just dropped yesterday. Just search in your 1434 01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:26,040 podcast app for Smash cast without the space in the middle. 1435 01:31:26,130 --> 01:31:27,090 Yo look at 1436 01:31:27,090 --> 01:31:31,290 that comics are blogger is is booster gramming promoting other 1437 01:31:31,290 --> 01:31:32,940 podcasts. That's 1438 01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:36,210 I don't understand what's happening in the world. He's 1439 01:31:36,210 --> 01:31:38,580 giving money to other podcasts. 1440 01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:45,030 Now you get to this for that that was very cool. It was 1441 01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:45,510 beautiful. 1442 01:31:47,610 --> 01:31:50,490 Thank you. Everybody knows our group of booster grams and we 1443 01:31:50,490 --> 01:31:57,240 got some monthly donors. Chad Farrow $20.22 The PR the ever 1444 01:31:57,270 --> 01:32:07,020 lasting PR representative as he Scott Jalbert $12 1445 01:32:07,050 --> 01:32:10,260 paid to pay tar just says in the chat. Hey guys, I'm interested 1446 01:32:10,260 --> 01:32:13,290 in both AI and cooking at the same time. Do you have any 1447 01:32:13,290 --> 01:32:14,760 suggestions? 1448 01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,340 Give me a minute. Give me I can't 1449 01:32:20,340 --> 01:32:21,420 come up with anything. 1450 01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:26,910 Yeah, man. I'm drawing a blank. Loretta Vandenberg. $10 Pedro 1451 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:33,000 van calvess $5 Aaron Renaud $5 Mark gram $1 Thank you, Mark. 1452 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,940 And thank you everybody. That's our that's our group. 1453 01:32:35,969 --> 01:32:38,549 Thank you so much for those of you bringing time talent 1454 01:32:38,549 --> 01:32:40,979 treasure, this is treasure but the time and talent is 1455 01:32:40,979 --> 01:32:44,729 everywhere all over this project. Actually, I was 1456 01:32:44,729 --> 01:32:50,099 thinking because we got a little bit of talent and time which for 1457 01:32:50,099 --> 01:32:53,159 this type of person equals treasure. We got a really nice 1458 01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:59,759 opinion from a lawyer about wallets and the pending 1459 01:32:59,759 --> 01:33:04,649 legislation of you know what a broker is all this stuff that 1460 01:33:04,649 --> 01:33:07,739 gets everybody nervous. Yeah, do you think we should have him 1461 01:33:07,739 --> 01:33:08,519 have him on? 1462 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,400 No Yeah, for real? Yes, sure. Sure. 1463 01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,920 I mean, I've been asked him I haven't asked him but I'll just 1464 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,570 say look you can't bill us for this 1465 01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:19,590 exposure but we'll free exposure will 1466 01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:24,300 give you a split in the in the value block. We'll do that. 1467 01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,590 Yeah, cuz it's, he's a fun guy. So it might be interesting to 1468 01:33:28,590 --> 01:33:31,890 have him maybe not for the whole show but have him on and just I 1469 01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:32,190 think we 1470 01:33:32,190 --> 01:33:36,570 should have him on in this for this reason is because I listen 1471 01:33:36,570 --> 01:33:42,030 to a lot of Bitcoin podcasts and people in Bitcoin Bitcoiners and 1472 01:33:42,030 --> 01:33:45,630 people involved in Bitcoin things do not talk about the 1473 01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:50,400 real world aspects of the legal side of things. They never they 1474 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,310 hardly ever talk about it. Right. Even in private, they 1475 01:33:53,310 --> 01:33:56,970 don't when you ask, Hey, what's your opinion on? Is this? Is 1476 01:33:56,970 --> 01:34:02,760 this kosher? Can we do this? Like, nobody has anything to 1477 01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,690 offer? And so actually hearing somebody say, you know, I think 1478 01:34:06,780 --> 01:34:10,230 this is okay, or this is something you should watch out 1479 01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:12,780 for. That's valuable stuff. 1480 01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:17,820 I think Yeah. And you saw it. You saw the the letter that he 1481 01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:20,760 wrote, he'd really done some work. I mean, he even looked at 1482 01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,300 tally coin, and, and all these other things that we're doing 1483 01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:26,850 specifically. I mean, that was I thought it was very interesting. 1484 01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:29,490 And he said, Hey, you know, I don't see where listeners would 1485 01:34:29,490 --> 01:34:32,400 have to be reporting anything. I mean, basically, what it came 1486 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:38,190 down to was the IRS or the opinion that would be the 1487 01:34:38,190 --> 01:34:41,310 regulation that would be enforced by the IRS is kind of 1488 01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:45,090 goes as follows. If you don't have any information of value to 1489 01:34:45,090 --> 01:34:48,210 us on this person, we're not interested in you. 1490 01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:51,630 Thought that was really good. That was a really good 1491 01:34:51,630 --> 01:34:56,490 observation because it like when it comes to tax reporting taxes, 1492 01:34:56,490 --> 01:35:00,000 things like 1099 's and stuff like that. If you don't know any 1493 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,910 Anything about the person, then you can't report anything so 1494 01:35:02,910 --> 01:35:03,570 they don't care. 1495 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,270 Right? That's exactly what it says. Yeah, it's exactly what it 1496 01:35:06,270 --> 01:35:10,050 says. You know, it's all little money anyway, this is really 1497 01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:14,700 much more for exchanges and, and you know, for Big Boy stuff. Not 1498 01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:18,720 that yeah, not the value for value isn't big boy stuff, but 1499 01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:24,000 it's it's so distributed and wide and therefore much smaller 1500 01:35:24,030 --> 01:35:26,910 assist just it's not going to be of interest. 1501 01:35:27,450 --> 01:35:30,210 Yeah, yeah I think we definitely should do 1502 01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:36,000 two quick lips before live booster grams that just came in 1503 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:43,110 see Brooklyn 112 Thank you for your courage on the from a curio 1504 01:35:43,110 --> 01:35:47,670 caster and we have one from fountain No, that's sorry. 1505 01:35:47,670 --> 01:35:52,200 That's interesting. Something just came in for no agenda. 1506 01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:54,210 Really right now. 1507 01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:59,610 Yeah, for Bitcoin fixes this wakeup JCD I thought I thought 1508 01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:04,110 for sure that was gonna be for us. I know I've been mixed node. 1509 01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,660 And makes note. Yeah, I get all kinds of stuff on my node. I 1510 01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:12,870 just sometimes just sit there all day and just watch. Watch 1511 01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:15,420 the green glow and the occasional aquarium. 1512 01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:16,830 Yes, yes. 1513 01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:21,630 Oh my god, a heavy pad aquarium style, where the fish are just 1514 01:36:21,630 --> 01:36:24,600 swimming and all sudden one of them will glow. And a number 1515 01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,900 will pop up. That's first stream and that one will just explode 1516 01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:31,200 into fish guts and confetti. When a booster Graham comes in. 1517 01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:31,260 Do 1518 01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:32,730 you have an audible before the show? 1519 01:36:32,849 --> 01:36:36,299 Okay, well, it's a late show. What can I tell you? I'm sorry. 1520 01:36:36,299 --> 01:36:41,309 I'd already had my dinner my coffee. So yeah, there you go. 1521 01:36:41,309 --> 01:36:44,429 Thank you, everybody for supporting us value for value. 1522 01:36:44,429 --> 01:36:48,269 If you don't see a boost button in your app, you should get a 1523 01:36:48,269 --> 01:36:52,679 better one new podcast apps.com 58 apps and services 1524 01:36:52,679 --> 01:36:56,339 now using the podcasting 2.0 standards. 1525 01:36:56,550 --> 01:37:01,740 59. Actually, oh, because I just merged a new one into the Apps 1526 01:37:01,740 --> 01:37:03,720 page today, but hadn't rolled it out yet. 1527 01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:10,890 Which one is that? I forgot. So many now we forgotten. Yes. Yes. 1528 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,730 And not everybody has all the all the features all the tags. 1529 01:37:14,730 --> 01:37:16,920 But this is this is how how we grow it. 1530 01:37:17,550 --> 01:37:21,360 Nick is busy on the Apps page of the book. I don't think so. 1531 01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:27,840 We're not on 6060 6660s big numbers. Great. 1532 01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:30,540 Yeah, you gotta go. Yeah. Put it on there. Yeah, you got 1533 01:37:30,570 --> 01:37:33,360 all you have to do is do a pull request. Nick. Do you know how 1534 01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:33,960 to do that? 1535 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,460 Yep. Yep. Good. Or at least I know. I know. Someone that knows 1536 01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:38,820 how to do 1537 01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:42,000 exactly. That's my answer to Yeah, I know. I know. A guy who 1538 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,060 can do that for me. Excellent. What else we need to cover? 1539 01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:48,090 Dave? What are we missing anything for? For our show here? 1540 01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:48,720 Our little show? 1541 01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:53,160 I think we've had a good show. I've got an ISO if you want to 1542 01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:55,650 if you want to roll that out. And that one out there. Sure. 1543 01:37:55,710 --> 01:38:01,050 Don't have a faint in Holland. That's from Top Gear. You're 1544 01:38:01,050 --> 01:38:04,680 watching Top Gear. Yeah, he called me. Yes. I don't remember 1545 01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,450 the episode though. Yeah, 1546 01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:15,780 it was that one was some Formula One Dutch guy like some some one 1547 01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:17,970 of the one of the babes when they come race babes or 1548 01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:18,420 whatever. 1549 01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,710 Posts. Oh, that's, that's a Dutch version of it. Sorry. 1550 01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:23,280 That's it there 1551 01:38:25,980 --> 01:38:31,080 you go. Whatever they whatever the term for that is the girls 1552 01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,500 that like start the race or whatever. She just fainted. Oh, 1553 01:38:35,250 --> 01:38:41,430 and landed on his car. These guys come to help her back to 1554 01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:44,250 the pit or whatever help. They pick me up, pick her up or 1555 01:38:44,250 --> 01:38:48,690 whatever. And then one of them grabs her but when he picks her 1556 01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,600 up in there, yes. And they were like don't ever feign in 1557 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:52,020 Holland. 1558 01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:56,280 You can always count on him. 1559 01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,640 And then the Dutch racecar driver. The Dutch driver says, 1560 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:05,370 Man did you mess my car up? Not issue. Okay, but did you screw 1561 01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:05,850 my car up? 1562 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:10,320 That's funny, Nick, man. Thank you so much for for getting up 1563 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:16,650 early. And let me see. I have it is not. Wait. 1247 1564 01:39:17,820 --> 01:39:20,820 It's not 1247. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't that it wasn't too bad. 1565 01:39:20,820 --> 01:39:22,380 Wasn't the office the size of the day? 1566 01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,440 Exactly. Well, we get you out of here in time for lunch. Yeah, 1567 01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:28,170 no. You're just in time for Sunday church service, right? 1568 01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:29,520 Yeah. Aren't you three days ahead of us? 1569 01:39:30,690 --> 01:39:32,310 We are. It's already Wednesday. 1570 01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,540 I know. It's the same to you guys for having me. Yeah, man. 1571 01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:39,870 And congratulations to you and your partners and the team and 1572 01:39:40,650 --> 01:39:44,760 obviously, here to help where we can and again, appreciate you 1573 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:45,240 coming on. 1574 01:39:46,290 --> 01:39:48,510 Really, really appreciate coming on you guys. This has been an 1575 01:39:48,510 --> 01:39:50,970 amazing experience. And thank you for all that you do looking 1576 01:39:50,970 --> 01:39:54,720 forward to every episode. The lawyer would love to hear what 1577 01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,550 he has to say. It's usually from the other end only. So I'd love 1578 01:39:59,550 --> 01:40:02,640 to hear this Side A balanced opinion I think 1579 01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,540 I'm gonna get them on the show but we'll put them on a vocoder. 1580 01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,570 Oh, disguises voice 1581 01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:16,110 lawyer making making the show Yeah. 1582 01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:18,360 Would have been the shadow yeah put a light behind him if you're 1583 01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:19,020 using the camera. 1584 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,530 Yes, yes, yes all that yes, absolutely. All right guys. It's 1585 01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:23,580 been amazing you guys 1586 01:40:23,610 --> 01:40:27,000 yeah thanks man. Good job for your first podcast interview 1587 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,870 very very well done you have no problems at all. absolutely 1588 01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:34,050 appreciate it all right Dave guys hey bro Have a good weekend 1589 01:40:34,050 --> 01:40:36,570 and everybody in the chat room Thank you for listening. Thanks 1590 01:40:36,570 --> 01:40:42,780 for participating in the thanks for participating in the live 1591 01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:45,270 chat. We'll see you next Friday with another board meeting of 1592 01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:46,710 podcasting 2.0 1593 01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:06,060 you been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast in this 1594 01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:08,190 dashboard for more information 1595 01:41:15,660 --> 01:41:21,000 I want to lose the very best like no one ever was. 1596 01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:26,640 Is my real dad to lose them is my 1597 01:41:29,130 --> 01:41:33,420 I will lose them across the land boosting car. 1598 01:41:35,580 --> 01:41:36,780 It was two grams