Episode 89: Poll Juice

1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,270 podcasting 2.0 for June 10 2020 to Episode 89 Look out for the 2 00:00:06,270 --> 00:00:12,720 poll juice Hello, everybody, Friday once again time to run 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,400 down what's going on in podcasting, 2.0 land, the 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:24,840 podcasting 2.0 a sphere. Podcasting 2.0 space, meaning 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,930 everything that's happening with the API things in podcast 6 00:00:27,930 --> 00:00:32,340 index.org Well, of course the podcast standards, the namespace 7 00:00:32,340 --> 00:00:35,160 and everything happening at podcast index dot social. I'm 8 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,830 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in 9 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:41,310 Alabama. the go to guy for all your seed dumps my friend on the 10 00:00:41,310 --> 00:00:45,150 other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones, 11 00:00:46,049 --> 00:00:49,589 left that lifelong dream to be known as the gap for all your 12 00:00:49,589 --> 00:00:50,399 seed dumps. 13 00:00:50,670 --> 00:00:57,030 the go to guy for all your seats. Well, here's the heart. 14 00:00:57,450 --> 00:01:00,630 Well, you know, here's what I do is like, I gotta have a cool or 15 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:04,410 snappy opening for Dave. Like, go to the mastodon look at 16 00:01:04,410 --> 00:01:07,350 anything you're working on recently. Like, okay, can I make 17 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:10,170 something out of this and you weren't gonna give someone a C 18 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:15,600 dump? So I thought there you go. He's the go to guy for the sea 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,200 jumps. 20 00:01:16,590 --> 00:01:22,890 Just a little you know, the pros just on the fly make. I just 21 00:01:22,890 --> 00:01:25,500 make crap up all the time. The words don't make any sense. 22 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:25,950 There's 23 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:29,160 what is the sea dump even? I mean, 24 00:01:29,550 --> 00:01:33,270 I don't even know I mean, like it's just I just made that up. 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,130 Good one. Yeah, thanks. 26 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:41,130 The show is lit everybody. We are live. If and oh, yes, I can 27 00:01:41,130 --> 00:01:43,830 tell we're live because we're we're getting some booster grams 28 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:44,340 already. 29 00:01:45,870 --> 00:01:48,870 I'm tired. Oh, really? Yeah. 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,250 I'm sorry. 31 00:01:50,790 --> 00:01:55,800 Well, Alex gates kept me up till like one o'clock in the morning 32 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,960 last night with play he got me addicted to the no agenda to 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:07,410 block stream and I was freeing them and desktop and I mean, I 34 00:02:07,410 --> 00:02:09,510 was I was like a YouTuber last night. 35 00:02:09,690 --> 00:02:13,350 I can I can predict the emails you're going to get very soon. 36 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:19,650 It goes like this. Hi, I have hacked your computer. I have I 37 00:02:19,650 --> 00:02:24,960 have access your webcam. And, and I saw what you are doing you 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,760 need to pay me $5,000 in Bitcoin, when I will expose your 39 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,190 dirty things you're doing in front of your webcam 40 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:33,870 to all of your family. 41 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:40,080 I love those emails. I'm always like, I'm always like, Hey, can 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,780 you be paying me go ahead publish it. It's great stuff. 43 00:02:42,810 --> 00:02:44,160 Nothing embarrassing here. 44 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:47,670 Have you gotten any of them in the mail? Like actually physical 45 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:51,060 mail? Oh, no, those are good. You've gotten one of those. Oh, 46 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:53,520 somebody at the office go went and brought it to me and he was 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,520 like, man, what is this? That's what is a letter? 48 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:59,580 That's next level. That's next level. That's next level. That's 49 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,200 because that that would probably make you feel 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,830 like oh shit. Yeah, guys like next level? Yeah. Next level. 51 00:03:04,889 --> 00:03:09,089 It's Next Level Level SIOP? Fantastic. That's a good one. 52 00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:14,280 No, I mean, it was fun. I used obs and created a channel on 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,510 nodes into tube and all that stuff. I should do it now. Shut 54 00:03:18,510 --> 00:03:19,080 to do it now. 55 00:03:19,859 --> 00:03:26,189 Well, yeah, go ahead. And let me let me say something. You only 56 00:03:26,189 --> 00:03:31,559 say something. Because I had an experience today that I can't 57 00:03:31,559 --> 00:03:35,969 get out of my head. And it has to do with audio versus video. 58 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:44,759 And so this morning, I got a ping from Sam Sethi. He wanted 59 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:49,589 to talk about something. So we hop on a video chat. Now I've 60 00:03:49,589 --> 00:03:53,339 been listening to pod LAN. I've been listening to Kirtland and 61 00:03:53,339 --> 00:03:56,969 Sethi for, I don't know, two years, maybe when did that thing 62 00:03:56,969 --> 00:03:58,709 start has been around forever. Right? 63 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:01,890 They started shortly after we did two years. Okay, right. 64 00:04:01,890 --> 00:04:02,160 Yeah. 65 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:08,640 And so we're talking and he stopped and he starts talking 66 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,370 about something and I say, I gotta interrupt you for a 67 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:16,860 second. My brain cannot wrap around the voice. I've been 68 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:21,570 hearing the image in my mind of what you look like, and what you 69 00:04:21,570 --> 00:04:26,670 actually look like. And it even took me I would have to say a 70 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:32,280 good 10 minutes before I realized. Samsung says I think 71 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:36,480 he's he's Asian, I think from India, probably. I think he's 72 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,720 Indian here. Yeah, yeah. Because you know, if you say Pakistani, 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,480 and it's the other way around. I mean, you can really, you can 74 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,630 really hurt yourself. Now, I'm pretty 75 00:04:45,630 --> 00:04:46,800 sure. Yeah. 76 00:04:47,190 --> 00:04:53,970 And so but my brain was not even seeing this. And I'm like, holy 77 00:04:53,970 --> 00:04:58,620 crap. This he it was like, it was a surreal experience. It was 78 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:00,780 a little bit jarring. I mean, he's the head So man, don't get 79 00:05:00,780 --> 00:05:03,570 me wrong. I mean, you got it. Sam says he's a good looking 80 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:08,520 guy. Sure. Yeah, you can say that. No, he's 81 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:14,369 a highly highly attractive man that's across the line, 82 00:05:14,849 --> 00:05:21,989 maybe maybe went a little too far on that. And, and so I had 83 00:05:21,989 --> 00:05:25,589 to tell her about he said he felt similarly, and I've seen 84 00:05:25,589 --> 00:05:29,339 his little icon on, you know, around in the, in the person 85 00:05:29,339 --> 00:05:34,589 tag. And this voice to me, I just saw like this nerdy kind of 86 00:05:34,619 --> 00:05:39,959 British kid, you know, blonde tuft of hair, you know, just I 87 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:42,839 had this whole different image, and then I and then, you know, 88 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,319 so not that at all, to the after, after we're done talking. 89 00:05:47,099 --> 00:05:52,979 I go back to listening to pod land. And I, it's the other guy. 90 00:05:52,979 --> 00:05:55,979 It's not Sam Sethi, who I just talked with is this guy who 91 00:05:56,009 --> 00:05:59,339 who's been with me for two years. And that's the image 92 00:05:59,369 --> 00:06:01,169 honestly, I want to keep. 93 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,280 So you're you're forcing the nerdy British kid into your 94 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:05,490 head. 95 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,450 No, no, the nerdy British kid is in my head. There's no room for 96 00:06:09,450 --> 00:06:11,190 handsome Sam Sethi. 97 00:06:12,630 --> 00:06:15,330 Yeah, that's right. This is really weird. So 98 00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:23,250 I'm just saying that I believe that there's a mystique. And the 99 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:26,730 audio to audio. Yeah, and I'm not quite sure. So that's why if 100 00:06:26,730 --> 00:06:29,730 I do something live streaming I'll show like my hands on the 101 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:32,160 you know, the mixer or something, something that's a 102 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,730 little interesting, but just to show me nah, I mean, I and I, to 103 00:06:38,910 --> 00:06:41,910 be honest about it. It's I have the same with you at the same 104 00:06:41,910 --> 00:06:46,920 with lots of people. So go ahead and live stream and ruin the 105 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,180 dream for everybody 106 00:06:48,569 --> 00:06:49,529 down doing it right now. 107 00:06:51,150 --> 00:06:54,000 Of course you're Yeah. Anyway, 108 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:58,140 I mean, like, the scissors are in full effect. So I mean, hold 109 00:06:58,140 --> 00:07:01,170 on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. There they are. 110 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:06,960 Those are Wednesday scissors. I know this is dribs sent these to 111 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,160 me. Those are those are very small scissors snip your snip 112 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,680 snip yours. Yeah, 113 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:16,920 yeah, that's scissors baby right there. 114 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,980 It's a man as man saw scissors are here. Now it's fun, though. 115 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:25,950 It's fine. I mean, I had a good time just playing around with 116 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:26,400 it. And 117 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:31,799 so now we need to just have that work in some apps, because they 118 00:07:31,799 --> 00:07:37,289 have the M eight m you file or whatever it is the that you can 119 00:07:37,289 --> 00:07:42,659 put right into into your feed. And then app should be able to 120 00:07:42,659 --> 00:07:45,359 show it correct. As far 121 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,900 as I know. That's yeah, I mean, that's that's the way I 122 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:50,220 understand it. Okay, yeah. 123 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,190 Are there any apps that can eat this live video feed from na 124 00:07:56,190 --> 00:07:59,280 tube? And most importantly, are they web torrent? 125 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:05,280 Well, I think pod verse can curial caster, I think should be 126 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:09,810 able to do it as well. I mean, anything that can take an mp4 127 00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:15,750 stream should be able to consume it and I think pod verse I think 128 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:20,490 I think Mitch sent out a beta today that has it has video with 129 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:21,540 a live stream support it. 130 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,170 Alright, so if you're using OBS, why don't I just connect you 131 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:28,980 know what? I've got stream yard all set up. Stream yard is 132 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:34,110 pretty cool. What does that do? I guess it's like, like a squad 133 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:37,560 cast or any of these things, you know, so you can basically it 134 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:42,570 has some rudimentary tools for doing live with multiple video 135 00:08:42,570 --> 00:08:46,620 sources, except it's all just in the web browser and your CPU 136 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:49,380 isn't grinding to a halt as OBS tends to do. 137 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,330 Me and I need to take a look at that to make sure that I'm not 138 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:58,920 destroying myself. You don't hear the Fandi? No, there's no 139 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,140 okay, well, I'm good then. We don't hear the fancy two. H talk 140 00:09:04,140 --> 00:09:04,350 because 141 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:08,280 I don't mind showing something why I just don't want to 142 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,840 personally it's like I don't want to I want to hug mo but I 143 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,770 don't really maybe I can do it blindfolded. I have an image of 144 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:18,810 that guy and you do to everyone does. 145 00:09:19,650 --> 00:09:23,610 Oh yeah, you've never met me Oh, I don't I had the image I have 146 00:09:23,610 --> 00:09:28,260 of Mo is is I don't I want that image. I don't I don't ever want 147 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:30,630 to meet him in person. See because I want that image. 148 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:36,960 This is why it's very I don't know. I I'm an audio first guy 149 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:40,200 for a moment. First audio first. Just the way it is. 150 00:09:42,870 --> 00:09:43,890 Crater first. 151 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:45,960 Here crater first guy 152 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:50,070 40 Nam I'm below 40% on Zapier. I'm good. 153 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:55,950 Okay 20,000 SATs from Brando sellers go podcasting 33,003 33 154 00:09:55,950 --> 00:10:00,210 from blueberry who is promoting his behind the schemes This 155 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:05,280 coming Sunday. You troll with me. Um, oh yes, I know. 156 00:10:05,820 --> 00:10:11,490 I know. I'm HoH the rounds. 157 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:16,500 Good. I was like, we're so tired of curry and everyone loves Dave 158 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:20,910 because he talks so calm the end he has a great way of explaining 159 00:10:20,910 --> 00:10:22,980 things. Not like curry 160 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:32,940 No, it's It's funny like I have my I have to adapt to the tenor 161 00:10:32,940 --> 00:10:35,970 of the show in question. You know, I'm a shapeshifter. 162 00:10:39,090 --> 00:10:42,540 Okay, why don't we get the obvious out of the way? Every 163 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:47,310 single podcast is talking about Spotify, Spotify, let's talk 164 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:48,630 about Spotify. 165 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:52,110 Okay, Spotify. Ah, so best butterfly. 166 00:10:54,150 --> 00:10:56,790 You brought the clips. So I figure you have some some 167 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:58,980 starting point in mind. I only have an opinion. 168 00:11:00,330 --> 00:11:04,620 Oh, okay. Let me see. Let me see. This is the this is the 169 00:11:04,620 --> 00:11:09,090 tricky part of live streaming your desktop and your camera is 170 00:11:09,090 --> 00:11:13,170 you have to take you have to when you go into the deep dark 171 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:16,770 secrets of of the way you do show you have to disable your 172 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:19,560 desktop. So people can see your secrets. 173 00:11:19,950 --> 00:11:23,880 Oh, yes. Yeah, there is something to that. Yeah. And 174 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,020 people. You know, I've posted pictures. And people have 175 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:32,520 triangulated the view outside to pinpoint my exact location. 176 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:33,960 That's creepy. 177 00:11:35,669 --> 00:11:37,649 People do it all people do it. 178 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:42,539 Yeah. Well, let's see if this is this is the fun part where I try 179 00:11:42,539 --> 00:11:46,049 to figure out what my clips are. Because I got a bunch of them. 180 00:11:46,319 --> 00:11:50,309 But they see. Yeah, the thing that I immediately know of 181 00:11:50,309 --> 00:11:54,119 course, there's there's like two parts to this. At least, I think 182 00:11:54,119 --> 00:11:57,209 Well, I think there's actually more parts to it. But the two 183 00:11:57,209 --> 00:12:02,399 that hit me where there's like there's there's the RSS part. 184 00:12:02,459 --> 00:12:07,979 Yes, exactly. Yeah. And then there's the the anchor part 185 00:12:09,659 --> 00:12:12,209 around anchors, numbers and that kind of thing. 186 00:12:15,029 --> 00:12:16,049 What are you doing? 187 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:18,960 I had to grab my pad of paper off the 188 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:21,720 ground. This noisy when 189 00:12:22,980 --> 00:12:27,690 I'm a noisy guy. So the so anchor, the one thing is oh 190 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:30,450 wait, let me preface it by saying this. One thing has 191 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:39,390 always been strange to me about anchor and that's that they tend 192 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,190 something that has never made a lot of sense in my head. Anchor 193 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:51,150 tends to just have this completely hands off approach in 194 00:12:51,150 --> 00:12:57,390 some ways. And then in other ways. They are extremely strict. 195 00:12:57,660 --> 00:13:03,090 Like they're they seem to be very strict with music like they 196 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:08,310 do I don't think they allow any music at all I think it's just a 197 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:11,190 blanket thing like you can't have a music podcast on anchor 198 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,670 at even if you own all the rights all that kind of stuff 199 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:18,570 doesn't matter she can do so there's things like that 200 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,890 the course of course they are that because the mothership has 201 00:13:22,890 --> 00:13:25,680 all the licenses and they gotta be real careful about that. That 202 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,360 makes sense. In in 203 00:13:27,359 --> 00:13:31,529 but there's other things like podcast piracy, do Nia cloning 204 00:13:31,529 --> 00:13:33,359 feeds? No, because 205 00:13:33,359 --> 00:13:37,619 they have no they don't they don't give a shit. They don't 206 00:13:37,619 --> 00:13:38,819 care about other people. 207 00:13:39,299 --> 00:13:44,459 One of the things that one pi, you can you can go through the 208 00:13:44,459 --> 00:13:48,659 anchor list of feeds. I mean, it takes 30 seconds to find 10 209 00:13:48,659 --> 00:13:52,859 feeds that are complete absolute garbage. So one of them I found 210 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:57,269 the Eau de it was just looked like somebody had just like, 211 00:13:57,719 --> 00:14:00,749 pounded on their QWERTY keyboard for a second to make the title. 212 00:14:01,259 --> 00:14:04,649 And then the episode was one second long. There's only a 213 00:14:04,649 --> 00:14:08,459 single episode and it was one second long. And that was a live 214 00:14:08,489 --> 00:14:11,249 that was a live podcast in anchor and you could listen to 215 00:14:11,249 --> 00:14:17,279 it in Spotify, or one second of it. Yeah. So this may so some of 216 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:21,299 what they said about anchor made made open, made some things I 217 00:14:21,299 --> 00:14:26,189 didn't understand makes sense. And the thing that makes sense 218 00:14:26,189 --> 00:14:36,629 to me now is that anchor as a podcast platform exists only to 219 00:14:36,659 --> 00:14:39,419 increase Spotify as in a huge number. 220 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:46,649 For for Wall Street to report. Yes, yeah, sure. In fact, that 221 00:14:46,649 --> 00:14:49,379 example you just gave wouldn't surprise me if there are 222 00:14:49,379 --> 00:14:51,089 companies that will do things for you. 223 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:56,940 Oh, yes, yeah, create accounts. I bet you're exactly. 224 00:14:56,970 --> 00:15:00,720 They're very busy right now with Twitter, creating Your Workouts? 225 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:07,979 Yeah, well, I found two podcasts that were each have one episode. 226 00:15:09,089 --> 00:15:14,729 Each were roughly eight minutes long, and five to eight minutes 227 00:15:14,729 --> 00:15:22,229 long. And they had no it was just one guy reading a few 228 00:15:22,229 --> 00:15:29,459 minutes of a book. That's all it was. And it was the same guy who 229 00:15:29,459 --> 00:15:32,819 had created to it was you could tell him his exact voice exact 230 00:15:32,819 --> 00:15:36,599 cadence, everything was identical, same style, to 231 00:15:36,599 --> 00:15:40,019 different accounts, two different two different feeds, 232 00:15:40,589 --> 00:15:44,189 completely named different things. And he was just reading 233 00:15:44,189 --> 00:15:45,929 pieces of of a book. 234 00:15:46,289 --> 00:15:52,559 That's, that's a scam. And I was point firmly at an inside job. 235 00:15:53,429 --> 00:15:54,509 Think so? Yeah. Okay, of 236 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:59,160 course. Or, you know, just like there are people who have entire 237 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,370 cell phone walls, who are downloading their own, you know, 238 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:07,050 streaming their own music on Spotify for profit. And for 239 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:12,360 other people, for record labels. There's I'm sure that this is 240 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,100 also there for companies to know, is here's how it goes. 241 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,850 Okay, we need some more users. We need 10 thought I've I have 242 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:25,860 witnessed these purchases personally. Not not exactly this 243 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:29,460 one. Because instead of we need new user accounts, it's we need 244 00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:34,590 new user accounts. And there has to be some audio in there. Yeah, 245 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,160 it's got to be you're uncovering something very good here. 246 00:16:39,450 --> 00:16:45,300 So we're just going by what they said in in the investor day. 247 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:45,690 Yeah. And 248 00:16:45,690 --> 00:16:49,620 this is an investor deck. So what they say here is important 249 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:53,070 has fiduciary responsibility type shit written all over it? 250 00:16:53,820 --> 00:17:01,770 Yeah. And what they said was anchor. timing is impeccable. 251 00:17:01,950 --> 00:17:06,420 Sorry, let me see. No, no, no, you're fine. As the anchor, 252 00:17:06,450 --> 00:17:09,240 let's, let's do Spotify one anchor numbers. 253 00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:14,130 Now, think about how far we've come. In just under four years, 254 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,540 we've gone from having virtually no podcasts on platform to being 255 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:22,950 a global leader in the market. So put this in perspective. When 256 00:17:22,950 --> 00:17:27,330 anchor joined Spotify in 2019. There were fewer than 500,000 257 00:17:27,330 --> 00:17:32,040 podcasts on the platform. Today, there are over 4 million and 258 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,740 anchor powers more than 75% of them. 259 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:41,970 Wow, that's interesting to have 4 million all of a sudden, 260 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:42,540 really, 261 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:46,800 those numbers check out to me. I believe that I believe that. I 262 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,530 believe both of those numbers that she said are exactly 263 00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:51,720 accurate, if you so it's just 264 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,430 a coincidence. That's our number to 265 00:17:56,850 --> 00:18:00,750 Earth after I would say so I think it's a fairly I think it's 266 00:18:00,750 --> 00:18:02,130 a coincidence. I don't think it's any but 267 00:18:02,130 --> 00:18:05,700 they have 4 million podcasts of which a large percentage is 268 00:18:05,730 --> 00:18:06,390 junk. 269 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:09,630 For they have it we have in the 270 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,450 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Do you mind if I just listened 271 00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:16,830 to that again? Please, because I want I want to listen for you 272 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:21,360 know, as a lawyer, I want to listen to the exact verbiage you 273 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,080 use there. 274 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:27,030 Now, think about how far we've come. In just under four years, 275 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:31,440 we've gone from having virtually no podcasts on platform to being 276 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,850 a global leader in the market. So put this in perspective. When 277 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:40,230 Ankur joined Spotify in 2019. There were fewer than 500,000 278 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:44,940 podcasts on the platform. Today, there are over 4 million and 279 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:47,640 anchor powers more than 75% of them. 280 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:56,220 Okay, so the discrepancy here is platform she uses that. It could 281 00:18:56,220 --> 00:19:02,070 be as at one point confused as the anchor platform, you would 282 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:05,610 expect it to be seen as an entire ecosystem since they 283 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:09,480 bought it that that Spotify play out on the anchor creation side 284 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:17,520 is the platform which means that they probably have about well, 285 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,520 they're probably missing about 3 million podcasts that we have 286 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,450 and they're the rest of their 4 million is filled up with anchor 287 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:24,960 junk. 288 00:19:27,330 --> 00:19:37,290 We show it so we only show 2,483,357 anchor feeds you hear 289 00:19:37,290 --> 00:19:42,060 that analysts. Now but but that that's not the full story. So 290 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:46,380 what she said was 4 million. And let's just say that 4 million 291 00:19:46,380 --> 00:19:52,830 straight up and 75% of those are on Anchor. That means 3 million 292 00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:58,620 would be an anchor. So I think and I would guess that we don't 293 00:19:58,620 --> 00:20:01,170 have every single show but I think We're close. So let's just 294 00:20:01,170 --> 00:20:02,130 go. Let's just go ahead the 295 00:20:02,130 --> 00:20:05,430 ones that are the ones that are good. You mean of the RSS feed? 296 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:08,400 Yes. Because we chuck out all the bullcrap. 297 00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:11,250 Now the ones that we chose, if you take out all the ones we 298 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:15,030 killed, which you don't meet our minimum quality criteria, we've 299 00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:20,250 only got 1.8 million. There you go. So if just being generous 300 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:28,350 and saying there's 2.52 point 5 million, assuming that there are 301 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,120 some that we don't have, I'll I'll grant that maybe we're 302 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:35,190 there. Maybe there's a few 1000 We don't have but I think we're 303 00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:41,100 really close. Those are RSS feeds. Now they disabled default 304 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:44,100 RSS feed creation now. So real initial now when you get on 305 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:48,330 Anchor, you're not you don't get an RSS feed automatically. This 306 00:20:48,330 --> 00:20:50,430 has been since last end of last summer. 307 00:20:50,489 --> 00:20:55,139 Oh, but yet those so those podcasts with the JFK JFK, and 308 00:20:55,139 --> 00:20:59,129 then a book read, they do have RSS enabled obviously, 309 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:03,360 some of them do. Yes, I bet you there's so so I bet you the 310 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:07,050 discrepancy between the 2.5 million we show in the 3 311 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:11,490 million, she says is the ones that don't have RSS feeds. 312 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:14,670 This kind of tells me that they're going for a marketing 313 00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:21,960 and market strategy of saying, we have the most seems that way. 314 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,500 Which is really lame, because, well, no, actually it is. I 315 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:31,410 mean, it's just it's, yeah, you have the most on platform. But a 316 00:21:31,410 --> 00:21:34,500 lot of them are shit than just are on platform and are just a 317 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:36,540 number for Wall Street. 318 00:21:37,259 --> 00:21:41,309 It's about the if Spotify to it's about the M AU. 319 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,879 And those millions of shows being published to Spotify from 320 00:21:44,879 --> 00:21:48,479 anchor are often being made by first time creators to get no 321 00:21:48,479 --> 00:21:51,269 kidding. As those creators make their content. They share it 322 00:21:51,269 --> 00:21:54,899 with their friends and family off platform. And the results. 323 00:21:55,199 --> 00:21:59,969 On average, every new anchor show brings 2.5 additional MOU 324 00:21:59,999 --> 00:22:03,749 to Spotify. And between anchor and our other hosting platform 325 00:22:03,749 --> 00:22:08,879 megaphone. Spotify powered shows account for 45% of all podcasts 326 00:22:08,879 --> 00:22:12,119 assumption on platform is blah, blah, 327 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:16,050 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, but but she just said, all 328 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:19,530 those people share off platform. Really? 329 00:22:20,460 --> 00:22:23,220 Yeah. And so then every time so every time there's a new anchor 330 00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:27,420 show. There's what she says is on average, there's two and a 331 00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:31,590 half new ma you Ah, right, Spotify ecosystem. So 332 00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:34,620 that's, that's their metric right there. It's a magic money 333 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,500 machine, you create a feed you get you get three people. 334 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:40,260 Yeah, it just they just appear out of nowhere. You get three 335 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:42,090 people from from here that poof 336 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:47,610 and one of those three people is you listening to the to the damn 337 00:22:47,610 --> 00:22:48,270 book read, 338 00:22:49,170 --> 00:22:53,730 I can promise you that there's there are at least 10 or 12 339 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:56,820 dozen anchor shows that I'm the only person who's ever listened 340 00:22:56,820 --> 00:23:01,260 to. And I promise I will promise you that. Like that's, that's 341 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:08,250 what an anchor exists to anchor is there to produce millions of 342 00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:13,530 podcasts in order to drive the MCU number as high as possible 343 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:18,000 for investors. I think you're right. I think you know, that's 344 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880 the role it plays in whether whether or not these things are 345 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,940 garbage. It whether or not they're one second and no 346 00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:26,280 content is completely irrelevant. 347 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:27,510 What did they pay for anchor? 348 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:31,470 Who I don't know, it's a good question. I think I used to 349 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:32,130 know, but I don't 350 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:41,640 know. I'll look it up real quick. It was a lot more than I 351 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:48,930 have. Yeah, no price gimlet was 230. 352 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:51,270 They paid 239. 353 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:59,760 That's that's the word. Yeah. Oh. Money here. Here's what I 354 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,890 don't understand, though. You you, I mean, I don't if you have 355 00:24:04,890 --> 00:24:09,030 these numbers, but they claim they made $250 million on 356 00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:13,980 podcasting, I think is what I heard tonight, and we'll get to 357 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:21,060 they lost $100 million. How can I add that must be that must be 358 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,400 overall that must be overall right. 359 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,710 I guess what, I guess what they paid what they paid out to Rogen 360 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:30,690 and taking markdowns for buying stuff. And 361 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:34,140 was that explained? I don't think that was explained. No, I 362 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:35,370 don't think so. It doesn't matter. 363 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:42,660 I mean, our criteria to be clear. So we have we have a 364 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:46,950 criteria that we apply to to free podcast host. So if you're 365 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:51,330 not a paid host, and you you're you're purely a free host, we 366 00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:59,820 apply a filter, a purge filter to you that runs that runs like 367 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:06,990 mo A couple times a week, just to clean out stuff. One of the 368 00:25:06,990 --> 00:25:10,950 things that does so so it looks, it looks for these criteria, if 369 00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:15,600 something's a 404, it removes it marks, it is dead. Some of some 370 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,680 other things. One, the special criteria that gets applied to 371 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,360 them is to the free host is it has to have at least three, the 372 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,630 show has to have at least three episodes that that accommodates 373 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:33,090 a trailer and a single episode. So if you have to have at least 374 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:39,450 three, the trailer, and then two actual episodes, of which one is 375 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:47,040 five minutes or longer. So that that weeds out this bottom 376 00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:52,200 basement level, garbage. And that's been really, really 377 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,250 accurate. So usually, if you go in there in one does not fit 378 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:58,620 that criteria, I spot check it all the time just to make sure 379 00:25:58,650 --> 00:26:02,130 we're not overtly killing good stuff. And I've never seen a 380 00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:05,490 kill anything good is that you go in there, and you it's always 381 00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:09,120 stuff like what I just described earlier. And and there's just 382 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,620 hundreds of 1000s of those that get created when you have a free 383 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:18,210 open to everybody hosting company. So we it's it's sort of 384 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:23,100 like playing, playing self defense on our part, you know, 385 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,500 because I don't want to I mean, we're, we're the podcast index, 386 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,260 we're not the anchor index. And so if anchored, decided, you 387 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:30,900 know, if five years from now, if they have 10 million shows of 388 00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:33,960 which 9 million are this kind of garbage? I mean, I don't want to 389 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,510 host all that, that are not hosted that I don't want to 390 00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:39,210 index all that because it's just all crap. So 391 00:26:40,049 --> 00:26:43,799 the bottom line is really important. That in our opinion, 392 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,779 it looks like spot exactly what you said. Anchor is only to jack 393 00:26:48,779 --> 00:26:54,389 up the ma us and is scammy at best. 394 00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:59,190 Yeah, I would say that where we know, I would say that it feels 395 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:03,120 like a big game. It does. It just feels like something's 396 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,310 being gamified. And well, 397 00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:07,470 yeah, Wall Street. What do you think Wall Street this 398 00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:09,900 feels like to me? Well, 399 00:27:10,410 --> 00:27:13,860 I want you to clip this and, and make sure analysts see this. 400 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:15,240 Hey, Jim Cramer? 401 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,660 Yeah, yeah. Now let's 402 00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:21,150 get on to the future and why it's so bleak for them. 403 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:28,440 The RSS part? Yeah. So let's just go ahead and listen to 404 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,430 Spotify three, 405 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,210 with that critical mass of both creators and consumption in the 406 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:36,480 same ecosystem, we're able to do something that has not been 407 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,440 possible in nearly 20 years, actually innovating on the 408 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,060 podcast format itself. 409 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,380 Yeah. All right. I won't give you my entire opinion. But I 410 00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:54,930 will say overall, what she had to say here, about RSS 411 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:59,580 specifically, about the podcast industry, the people who've 412 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:06,000 worked in IT for 20 years, and who have built this was rude and 413 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:12,000 stupid. Rude, because you just dissed a lot of people. Yeah, 414 00:28:12,030 --> 00:28:13,830 and I don't know, if she understands that. I don't know 415 00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:18,870 if she has the background to even make a statement like that. 416 00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:23,310 But it was rude. It was just saying, oh, you know, 20 years 417 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:27,900 all this stuff up. We were able to do this, you know, my my 418 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,970 initial reaction. Even if I wasn't doing podcasting, 2.0 419 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,320 still having been involved, obviously, in the creation of 420 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,330 podcasting, but fuck you, lady, who are you? And that, but then 421 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,320 to add insult to injury, we'll get to the stupid part later. 422 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:50,670 She says that they've added some things that have never been 20 423 00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:54,960 years. Well, we can at least make it 18 years since we've 424 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,510 been doing this for almost two years now. So it's also a 425 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:59,670 blatant lie. Yeah. 426 00:29:00,210 --> 00:29:03,240 And, and some of the stuff that we've some of the things we've 427 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,430 done have been purely new. But some of the stuff we've done 428 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:09,270 have also just been taking things that were tried before 429 00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:13,110 and making them and pushing them into some over some sort of 430 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:17,700 milestone or finish line. Things things like I mean, some of the 431 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:21,720 namespace tags are stuff that blueberry tried to do with the 432 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:25,650 raw voice namespace years ago. And they just never, it was 433 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:29,070 always it was always them. And it had to be an independent 434 00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:32,220 voice doing it. Some of the you know, some of the things were 435 00:29:32,370 --> 00:29:36,720 just things that were just being used between Buzzsprout and and 436 00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:40,440 in a single podcast app. And again, we took that off that 437 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,120 single platform and made it into a into a general thing so that 438 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,360 people wouldn't be scared off. But to me, like there has been 439 00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:54,030 attempts to do a lot of the things, a lot of innovation over 440 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:57,870 the years that were hindered, not by RSS had nothing to do 441 00:29:57,870 --> 00:30:04,920 with RSS. It was Paul Multics mostly. And that was one of our 442 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,570 benefits. One of the benefits of this project is that we, we 443 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:13,620 leapfrog the politics and got above it to a certain extent, so 444 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,800 that people could stop being concerned about competition and 445 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,280 just care about the technology. And a lot of the in wood that 446 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400 resulted in was rapid innovation in our space 447 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,970 in the US. And the reason for that is we have an incentive we 448 00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:30,420 have from the get go and incentive model that everybody 449 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:33,540 can get a piece of the action, something Silicon Valley 450 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,540 companies, particularly Spotify don't want to do. 451 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:40,590 Yeah, I mean, it doesn't help doesn't help them know what 452 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,200 their business model is. You do all the work. We take all the 453 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,020 money. Thanks. It's their business model. 454 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:48,090 Yeah, that's the Max Keiser, yes. 455 00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:51,330 The business model. Yeah. 456 00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:57,120 So she says that this like, it's in the next clip, and clip four, 457 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,640 she says that this book, because of their superior position, 458 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,800 they've done thing this, these things that have not been 459 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,800 possible in 20 years that they've been able to create a 460 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440 truly superior product who think about 461 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,070 it. Podcasting has been around for almost two decades, and it's 462 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:16,950 remained largely unchanged. Mainly because of the 463 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:21,990 limitations of RSS. We've been able to replace RSS for on 464 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:24,840 platform distribution, which means that podcasts created on 465 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,900 our platform are no longer held back by this outdated 466 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:32,130 technology. This has opened up a new world of opportunity to add 467 00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:34,920 features and formats to the podcast listening experience 468 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,700 that have never been possible before. So Spotify is now not 469 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,760 only differentiated by our catalogue of content, but also 470 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,210 by delivering a truly superior product for podcast listeners 471 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,140 and creators. 472 00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,040 Okay, so what is her name? 473 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,010 It's hard to pronounce. It's, I think it's my or something. 474 00:31:56,490 --> 00:31:56,940 Okay. 475 00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:03,150 This will be on her tombstone. And this is this is the stupid 476 00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:07,680 part this is the stupid part of what she I don't know if this is 477 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,710 all coming from her she the product lead? Is she in charge 478 00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:11,820 of the development or 479 00:32:11,819 --> 00:32:15,779 she she has a long title that I can't remember? Like, so so 480 00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:18,720 far so far. So far, we have no idea what we're talking about. 481 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,190 We're gonna criticize her anyway. 482 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,430 Yeah, yeah. Not not having any idea what I'm talking about 483 00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:25,620 never stopped me from criticizes history 484 00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:36,120 shows RSS based ecosystems or whatever you want to call it 485 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,080 platforms, communities that someone tries to centralize 486 00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:46,440 fails. And I would say Google was probably the best example. 487 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,240 This was no blog, RSS. They couldn't make money, they could 488 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:59,400 not make money off of Google Reader. And, of course, they 489 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,550 didn't have control over any of that content, which is, you 490 00:33:02,550 --> 00:33:05,790 know, that that goes hand in hand. So they so once they had 491 00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:09,030 grown it big enough, they decided you know, fuck that we 492 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:12,420 can do this. Shut it down. And was a Google Plus that they came 493 00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:12,960 up with. 494 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Yeah, that's another product is Buzz, Google Buzz, but also 495 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:24,060 Twitter. Twitter started as, as a you know, basically a huge 496 00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:27,450 platform for RSS that's what it was initially based. I think 497 00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:30,750 that they had RSS for a lot and they had even had RSS feeds of 498 00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:33,750 Twitter feeds. I remember subscribing to them. Yeah, 499 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:38,700 totally. And in that case, technically it just did not 500 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:43,710 scale. So you know, there's the history shows that there's 501 00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:48,060 something about the free nature of the content created in an RSS 502 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:54,150 feed. And its its necessity to be accessible everywhere. That 503 00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:57,870 just trying to harness that content by saying oh, you know, 504 00:33:58,110 --> 00:34:01,710 RSS that's fine but come over here this is better. Because 505 00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:04,230 that's the next step. Obviously, you know, they they want 506 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,760 everyone to come to anchor and create your Spotify. Your 507 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,890 Spotify ready, podcast there. And somehow they believe with a 508 00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:18,390 reported you know, 2025 Depends on who you talk to. 25 I don't 509 00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:23,610 care if they're 50% of the market. That the day can suck it 510 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:27,360 all in and they can be the people who are really that's why 511 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,360 you know, they're all things audio you come here for your for 512 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,320 your audio books, you come here for your your music, you come 513 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,340 here for your podcast, and this by itself is a very limited 514 00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:43,620 thought scheme. Look at Netflix. This is where your ma us come 515 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:47,280 in. Because you're not going to be the only person with content. 516 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,090 You're not going to be the only streamer here. Ultimately your 517 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,780 you silly Swedes you're not going to be the only all audio 518 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:59,220 platform forever. That's that's just not happening. The what 519 00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:02,580 they don't see II, this is like 10. I'm sure the next clip we'll 520 00:35:02,580 --> 00:35:07,650 get deeper into it. It's appropriate to say podcasting. 521 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,280 The analogy would be, it was doing great. It was black and 522 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,570 white television. And along came a bunch of nerds and engineers 523 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:19,980 and misfits. And we went click, click like, oh, shit, look, now 524 00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:22,260 we're broadcasting in Technicolor, and look with main 525 00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:28,680 TV sets. And Spotify comes along and said, our TV set is 526 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,830 superior. So it comes down to what are the so called creators 527 00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:39,690 going to do? And how is Spotify going to manage that incredible 528 00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:45,030 influx of bullshit? And the fact that everybody wants? This is 529 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:48,630 just the nature of RSS. Everybody wants that their their 530 00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:51,270 podcast to be available everywhere. Are they going to 531 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,530 start outputting crippled feeds? I mean, there's nothing sounds 532 00:35:55,530 --> 00:36:01,080 like like a good like a good idea. Basically, RSS is the 533 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,380 giraffe. You don't fuck with the giraffe? Because it couldn't. 534 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,660 Have you ever? Have you ever seen a giraffe? giraffe? 535 00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:13,470 The giraffe. Okay, caught me off guard that they 536 00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:16,860 want to name the giraffe after me at the Amsterdam Zoo. So I 537 00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:20,070 went to go see, that's a story. So I went to see Adam the 538 00:36:20,070 --> 00:36:24,510 giraffe, you know, the photo up before the zoo opened? You know, 539 00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:27,090 it was cool, right? I was doing a morning show that was a whole 540 00:36:27,090 --> 00:36:29,490 tie in for the zoo. And you know, it's one of those things, 541 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,630 literal mornings. 542 00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:37,650 For real. And so we go there with the crew. Right? And so 543 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:41,100 we're just walking around, and it's a cute little giraffe. And 544 00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:43,830 we're walking through these stables you know, you can just 545 00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:47,730 like a stable where you can feed the animals and the back is 546 00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:50,610 obviously open because the draft is what 30 feet tall, whatever. 547 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,130 And then there's the mother. And I'm like, Oh, this is cool. So I 548 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:58,800 get my my producers, hey, take a picture. I'm gonna go and so I 549 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,000 stand in between, in front of the draft in between his legs. 550 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,730 So my head is about probably about the not even the top of 551 00:37:08,730 --> 00:37:11,220 the giraffes, you know where their shoulder would be, I 552 00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:15,510 guess. And you know, and his neck is sticking way out. And 553 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:22,680 taking pictures and, and the and one of the giraffe. People draft 554 00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:25,410 comes around the corner sees this happening and has this 555 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:31,830 horrified look, it says no, don't move. To what don't move, 556 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:37,530 move very slowly walk very slowly towards me, as I did as 557 00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:42,240 commanded, of course so and they said you have no idea. The draft 558 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,020 looks like it like a calm beast that's prehistoric, you get the 559 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:50,130 reference. But if you make the wrong move, it can slice you in 560 00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:54,690 half. It's It's It's lakes can go up vertically and around it 561 00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:59,550 can do like a kung fu whirly wind and slice into bits. So 562 00:37:59,550 --> 00:38:06,840 that's what RSS is. So go ahead make my day Spotify at me, I'm 563 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,150 glad that we're getting the block tag in because I'm going 564 00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:13,830 to be an active promoter if, if you know Spotify. So do you want 565 00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:16,710 control over your content? Anybody who first of all, if 566 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:19,140 you're if you're on Spotify, you already gave them complete 567 00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,940 ownership. They can do whatever they want. In the USA, you can 568 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:27,810 get advertising, you know what Kentucky bourbon wild turkey 569 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:30,750 whatever, you know, they can do whatever they want. You know, 570 00:38:30,930 --> 00:38:34,260 and and here's the number one thing podcasters and I will 571 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:37,230 promote this. If they keep going on this track and we get the 572 00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:40,740 blog tag. The number one place where they get their advertising 573 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:44,040 is from the following sentence. Go ahead and subscribe to us on 574 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,880 Apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and 575 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,760 you're gonna start omitting Spotify, you're gonna say don't 576 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,700 get on Spotify, those guys are rude and stupid. 577 00:38:58,530 --> 00:39:00,930 So on a on a technical and 578 00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:04,830 they're selling your data from your RSS feed to over 100 data 579 00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:09,390 brokers. They're selling your audience to data brokers, over 580 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:14,940 100 of them receive information on your audience. Oh, really? 581 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,650 James Christian said so. 582 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,300 Oh, I believe that that? Yeah, I didn't know that. Of course. 583 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:22,650 It's attribution. 584 00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:25,260 This isn't what it's all about. They don't give a shit about 585 00:39:25,260 --> 00:39:28,470 your podcast experience. They want to sell you your listeners, 586 00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:29,760 your audience. Ah. 587 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,510 Well, they talked about that. I don't think I clipped it but 588 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,480 they did talk about that that you know, with traditional RSS. 589 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,670 You want to be more intimate with your audience and know your 590 00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:43,050 audience better so No, it really say that. Yeah. And so they were 591 00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:45,120 like, you know, creators want more connection with their 592 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,510 audience in in the past with RSS, you know, that outdated 593 00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:52,170 technology. They all you could get was an IP address. 594 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,930 Oh, hey, wait for your luck. Oh, okay. So what they're saying is 595 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:56,160 no interactivity. 596 00:39:57,390 --> 00:40:00,000 Well, yeah, I think they were building it that way, but 597 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,340 They're probably mean it's like we just know a whole lot more 598 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:05,490 about about these people because we just were all up in their 599 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:09,240 car. And we're I mean, we know everything they do. We don't 600 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,670 just know an IP address. We know everything about them, because 601 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:13,260 they're actually signed in. Yeah, 602 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,370 that's great. We'll do it if people who I mean, this show is 603 00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:21,150 not on Spotify, not on my shows are on Spotify. I've had to 604 00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:25,890 continue to have to police them. Because some someone pirates are 605 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,770 one of my feeds, and they go up there if there's no, if you're 606 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:31,530 listening to this podcast on Spotify, let me know it has to 607 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:32,190 go away. 608 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:42,750 RSS. RSS is RSS is not a it's not a protocol. It's not a 609 00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:45,180 platform. It's not a technology. It's a 610 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:46,410 dream. It's 611 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:50,520 It is a beautiful dream and field. 612 00:40:52,349 --> 00:40:57,929 Hold on way, way, way, way, way. Where is it? I don't have it. 613 00:40:59,399 --> 00:41:02,219 Nevermind, I'm sorry. No, I'm too late on the draw 614 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:10,230 RSS. RSS is a data delivery format. That's what it is. It 615 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:16,350 doesn't matter what that data delivery format would have been 616 00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:25,200 within podcasting. Like it's, in one sense. In one sense, RSS is 617 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,950 critical to podcasting. In another sense, it's completely 618 00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:33,960 irrelevant. So it it's it's critical, because it's there. 619 00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:39,810 And it's the standard that we've all adopted. It's irrelevant, in 620 00:41:39,810 --> 00:41:44,370 the sense that of what it is. It's just a day to delivery 621 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:51,420 format. It could have easily been yaml, JSON, tamo, CSV, it 622 00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:57,150 could have been any, any format. Hello, HTML, 623 00:41:57,210 --> 00:42:03,900 can I mean, someone just put this in the chat. JS? RSS is off 624 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,750 platform? I mean, that's the branding right there. By 625 00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:11,220 definition, by definition, it's off platform. Exactly. Yeah. But 626 00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:16,830 it's just an as a sort of accident of history. That that 627 00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:22,440 RSS was the thing that was that was the syndication format of 628 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,370 choice. At the moment, when you had the idea for including the 629 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:29,760 enclosure, it could have been some other format, and that 630 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,010 would have been fine. So I mean, our RSS is the thing we have, 631 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,840 and it's fine, it does its job fine. So you ask what is its 632 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,430 job? Its job is to describe a set of criteria to up to an app 633 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:54,090 to decide to describe a bunch of data about a podcast episode to 634 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,040 an application. And in that job, it does it perfectly well and 635 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:05,580 perfectly fine. It RSS was never the sole piece of of the puzzle 636 00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:10,050 when it comes to podcasting. The the open podcast ecosystem has 637 00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:15,720 always relied on on a set or a stack or, or whatever you want 638 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,800 to call a stack of protocols to meet it relies on XML, which I 639 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,150 mean RSS itself relies on XML, it relies on mp3 compression. 640 00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:27,810 There would have been no no podcasting. Without it. I mean, 641 00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:33,900 everything served over HTTP. Every RSS is just one. It's a 642 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:40,500 critical component of the stack, but only because of the fact 643 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,660 that it was there at the beginning. And that's what we've 644 00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:52,050 adopted. So to to, to say that anything RSS quote unquote, 645 00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:57,240 can't do is somehow, like a limitation on what the open 646 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:01,320 podcast ecosystem itself can do. Well is not is not right. 647 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,800 It's arrogance. And I do want everyone to know we do have our 648 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,190 guest, patiently waiting and we'll bring him in momentarily. 649 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,220 It's just I didn't expect for us to go this long about this 650 00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:16,050 topic, but it deserves it. If you look at the analogy, that 651 00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:20,670 let's just call radios, radio stations, that transmitters. We 652 00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:23,040 don't need no stinking transmitters, but Buzzsprout has 653 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,620 a transmitter Lipson has a transmitter bluebirds, a 654 00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:30,240 transmitter transistors, everyone's a transmitter. The 655 00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:35,040 just cast is a transmitter the signal they send out into the 656 00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:41,580 ether is the RSS feed. Yeah, it's a signal and that signal is 657 00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:46,140 there for anybody the concept initially is for anybody to pick 658 00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:54,810 up into then resolve you know to turn into into sound that it's a 659 00:44:54,810 --> 00:45:00,120 radio as basically a radio receiver. Any any company is Who 660 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,170 has the arrogance? To think that because they build a better 661 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:12,030 radio that therefore they're going to win are idiots? Yeah, 662 00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:16,800 they're idiots. I mean, I'm sorry. It makes no business 663 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,870 sense. And it's very arrogant to think that they can own they can 664 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:25,590 own stuff. And by claiming they, Oh, we have 4 million on 665 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:30,840 platform. It's incredibly arrogant, short sighted. And I 666 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,780 mean, I can't, I can't say it's cultural, because man, the 667 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:38,430 Swedes, they do hokey shit like Abba and it's successful for 100 668 00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:42,510 years. So that's hard. That's that's a really lame one because 669 00:45:42,510 --> 00:45:47,250 they actually music wise. Sweden has some of the the the most 670 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:49,230 success. I won't say the best, but the most successful 671 00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:54,270 songwriters and pop music today. But it's just arrogant to think 672 00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:59,970 that your radio because you know, view and in addition, this 673 00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:02,310 has never worked. This has always been this always been the 674 00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:06,900 strategy. Sony will own CBS, we're going to own that we're 675 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,390 going to own the production and the movie theaters and the 676 00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:13,980 televisions and the radios and the cameras. And how Sony doing? 677 00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:19,620 Yeah, you just can't do it all. And if anyone could have done 678 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:25,740 this, Mr. Analyst, Jim Cramer? Why wouldn't Apple have done it? 679 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:29,370 Those guys had the radio for 20 years, 680 00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:34,140 exclusively almost. I mean, it almost is not not entirely 681 00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:37,890 clearly, but almost exclusively, they owned it for a while. 682 00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:46,110 So in a big way, so. So anyone who goes to Spotify, thinking 683 00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:48,600 they have to use god, yeah, I don't care. Do whatever you 684 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:48,990 want. 685 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,510 Yeah. Well, you want to round it out spot. Yeah, that last clip? 686 00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:55,200 Yeah, sure. 687 00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:59,099 Another way we've been able to innovate on the format. We've 688 00:46:59,099 --> 00:47:01,199 made podcasts more interactive, 689 00:47:01,289 --> 00:47:05,999 the format. we've iterated on the format, oh, this is great. 690 00:47:05,999 --> 00:47:06,329 We've 691 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,750 been able to innovate on the format. We've made podcasts more 692 00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:13,740 interactive, finally enabling a deeper, more intimate connection 693 00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:17,700 between creators and their fans. Man, one of our favorite things 694 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,550 about podcasting is the unique connection it enables between 695 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:21,780 creators and listeners. 696 00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:25,500 By the way, when you say fans, it's so denigrating towards an 697 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:29,340 interactive process. If you're talking about interactivity, 698 00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:34,110 these people are doing something other than being fans. So what 699 00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:36,540 kind of interaction Do you have other than Can I be your 700 00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:40,200 groupie? Can I get a signature? These are fans. 701 00:47:40,469 --> 00:47:42,989 They don't have fans. We have developers that everybody's 702 00:47:42,989 --> 00:47:44,429 developing this show. Yes. 703 00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:47,190 One of our favorite things about podcasting is the unique 704 00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:50,160 connection it enables between creators and listeners. It's 705 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,630 intimate posts, voices are directly in listeners ears. But 706 00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:58,740 until now, podcasting has been a one way street. Creators publish 707 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:02,640 shows and their audiences listen. Traditionally, RSS has 708 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,090 been limited to anonymized, aggregated analytics. And even 709 00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:08,910 those are limited to what can be determined from IP addresses. 710 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,450 Because of these limitations, fans have never had a good way 711 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:14,700 to reach their favorite creators directly. Oh, 712 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,750 oh, oh my God. They can't use email. They haven't figured out 713 00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:25,890 how to use email. Oh, no, we can't leave a comment anywhere. 714 00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:27,900 We Oh, no. What? 715 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,490 That's MDM that's mal does miss this and Mal information 716 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,120 that is not true. Well, there's all kinds of things that are not 717 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,420 true. 718 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,970 Because of these limitations. Fans have never had a good way 719 00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:42,090 to reach their favorite never actually never, but now never, 720 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,290 never at all. Our first way of addressing this was with q&a and 721 00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:48,840 polls, both texts, that can be 722 00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:50,580 q&a and polls, 723 00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:53,100 just bringing the house down 724 00:48:54,389 --> 00:48:57,689 to q&a and polls, both text based questions that can be 725 00:48:57,689 --> 00:49:00,389 posed by the show's creators and surface to listeners in the 726 00:49:00,389 --> 00:49:01,199 Spotify app. 727 00:49:01,619 --> 00:49:04,649 Hey, I want to ask you a question. Do you like my show as 728 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:12,869 a yes to No. Three? Kind of four? No pinion. Oh, and by the 729 00:49:12,869 --> 00:49:17,969 way, what are those polls for those polls, I would wager that 730 00:49:17,969 --> 00:49:20,789 that data goes right into the same funnel that sends 731 00:49:20,789 --> 00:49:23,879 everything off to the data brokers, we get more, you're 732 00:49:23,879 --> 00:49:29,189 actually you're rude to your fans, you're selling your fans 733 00:49:29,189 --> 00:49:29,699 out. 734 00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:33,840 These interactive features make it easy for listeners to engage 735 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,180 with the people behind their favorite podcasts, and for 736 00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:39,450 creators to hear from their audience directly on Spotify. 737 00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:43,380 These features are available now to all anchor creators around 738 00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:46,260 the world. There it is. We've heard from many creators that 739 00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:49,710 q&a and polls have been crucial in helping them develop engaged 740 00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:54,330 audiences. coming back for more. And this is just the beginning 741 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,270 of our interactive tools for podcasts. We're really excited 742 00:49:57,270 --> 00:50:00,120 to introduce lots of new ways for creators and their fans. To 743 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,990 connect with each other 744 00:50:01,409 --> 00:50:04,829 okay, so they had so they claimed that RSS is a one way 745 00:50:04,829 --> 00:50:09,479 street and it does not enable interactivity. And what's the 746 00:50:09,479 --> 00:50:09,899 worst 747 00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:14,520 worst? They say podcasting has been a one way street because of 748 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,420 RSS 749 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,890 because of RSS. So they've jettisoned RSS so now they're in 750 00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:24,660 now there they can unleash this creative you know, 751 00:50:25,049 --> 00:50:26,249 juice juice 752 00:50:27,659 --> 00:50:31,109 unleashed this torrent of Creative Juice juice it's just 753 00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:35,939 yes what he's gonna tsunami over the top of the industry and when 754 00:50:35,969 --> 00:50:40,079 and what that consists of is q&a and polls. Can you see that 755 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:47,399 juice? The juice is q&a and polls that's so juicy is super 756 00:50:47,399 --> 00:50:51,419 juicy and nobody could care one bit about either one of those 757 00:50:51,419 --> 00:50:51,899 the show 758 00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:57,810 hopefully someone from Spotify with this fantastic poll and 759 00:50:57,810 --> 00:51:01,590 questionnaire technology could listen to could listen to what 760 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:05,520 was what was what was their their super juice again, q&a and 761 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,180 polls, q&a and polls, okay, Spotify. Now, if you're an 762 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:13,560 anchor creator, chi anchor creators, but you enjoying your 763 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,500 q&a and polls, pulled my hold my beer. Hello, right now this is 764 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:23,940 podcasting. 2.0 We are live as we say in the RSS biz, we're 765 00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:28,680 lit. And I'd like to demonstrate some interactivity. Oh, man, 766 00:51:28,830 --> 00:51:32,400 Dave and I are having troubles paying our rent. Could somebody 767 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,670 please send a booster? Oh, there it is. Thank you very much. 768 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:40,350 Stephen beheld it 20 222 sets. Please send the booster Graham 769 00:51:40,350 --> 00:51:44,280 with some interactivity. I need something back from our fans. I 770 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,310 don't feel like RSS is fulfilling the dream of 771 00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:51,720 podcasting. Could someone please, please help us pay the 772 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,540 rent and at the same time interact with us? Certainly. 773 00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:56,520 There's some fan out there, who cares? 774 00:51:57,780 --> 00:52:02,160 Steven be boosted and said, Hey, guys, there it is. I wish I wish 775 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,530 there was a way for fans to reach out to their favorite 776 00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:04,950 creators. 777 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,980 And there's 5000 sas fermitas. He's helping pay the rent. See 778 00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:11,130 if 779 00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:13,500 there was I would reach out to you too, since you're with two 780 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,090 of my favorite creators. 781 00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:19,890 Maybe we should hop on Spotify. Steven B. That seems to be the 782 00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:21,240 place where we can interact. 783 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,600 Yeah, you can make some polls. Told us. 784 00:52:25,139 --> 00:52:28,409 Oh, God. Oh, title. Hold on a second. I 785 00:52:28,770 --> 00:52:30,720 told you. All right. Thank you. Well, thank 786 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,040 you, Spotify lady. 787 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,720 I'm just gonna run just real quick. Just real quick. 788 00:52:37,409 --> 00:52:40,559 Josh, maybe Josh may be dead. Let's see if he's still alive. 789 00:52:40,709 --> 00:52:44,099 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a special very patient guests with 790 00:52:44,099 --> 00:52:49,589 us today to join in the board meeting. He is the creator of 791 00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:53,159 just cast, which is very interesting as a podcast host as 792 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:58,019 an interesting system and method. And from that right now. 793 00:52:58,049 --> 00:53:01,589 We welcome Josh Chen to the board meeting. Josh, how you 794 00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:01,919 doing? 795 00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:05,100 Hi, Josh, thank you for having me here. 796 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,359 It's great to have you. It's great to have you. That's Do you 797 00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:13,949 have? Do you have any commentary on the Spotify? Integration of 798 00:53:13,949 --> 00:53:14,669 RSS? 799 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,740 Yeah, I love the topic. I can't wait to join me. But I want to 800 00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:24,420 comment on what Adam talked about that earlier, saying that, 801 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,560 in some ways, there's a war with a lot be wise, and people will 802 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:36,300 just quit there, and then create this status tag. So I'm from 803 00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:41,880 China. So I still have some condition there. And a few years 804 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,360 ago, some people contact me and say, they build this wall a 805 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,920 bunch of devices there and tell you to create a car and then 806 00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:52,890 they tell you to push your status. Like 807 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,000 right, so how would they scam that how it scammed? I 808 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,220 don't know. And I was like, I don't interested in that 809 00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:03,600 business. But they would create this icon and click download so 810 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,860 that no ad would get more downloads, and then you can show 811 00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:10,260 that to the investor or something like that. Of course I 812 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:15,420 always I always cannot get put together like, how do we resolve 813 00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:22,020 this then podcast? People rely on your status tag to determine 814 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,080 how much they're going to pay you for your advertising. 815 00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:30,270 Well, wait a minute, Josh, you can't be talking sense here on 816 00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:34,410 this podcast, that those numbers are certified by the IAB Surely 817 00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:37,410 you know that have you not paid your $50,000 to have those 818 00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:39,930 certified by the Uber Lords at the IAB? 819 00:54:40,619 --> 00:54:47,969 No, but I yeah, I don't know. I sincerely don't know. And I 820 00:54:47,969 --> 00:54:50,819 think podcasting doesn't may be in a good position to kind of 821 00:54:50,819 --> 00:54:54,899 solve this problem maybe like doing more integration with have 822 00:54:54,899 --> 00:55:01,109 more namespace, cost platform so that a video will be more honest 823 00:55:01,109 --> 00:55:07,079 to each other, like the air podcast app pair up at that 824 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,799 shelter and system like we are on this standard like they, 825 00:55:10,949 --> 00:55:14,339 they, they push better information. And then we kind of 826 00:55:14,339 --> 00:55:17,969 have something in between. I assume there's some genius that 827 00:55:17,969 --> 00:55:21,989 is data scientists can pick out which one is very visual and 828 00:55:22,019 --> 00:55:26,009 choose that hopefully, we will have to unify and put this whole 829 00:55:26,009 --> 00:55:26,669 thing better. 830 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:30,000 Well, that's actually been been one of the biggest problems, as 831 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,290 far as I understand. First of all, a lot of apps just don't 832 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,540 want to do that. They don't want to be snooping on their founder 833 00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:43,200 users and selling that. Or even if it's an even if they're not 834 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,860 selling it somewhere, it's being monetized. But there's we've 835 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:51,420 actually wasn't at the GUID thing, Dave, that we looked at 836 00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:54,180 for a while we had it, we had a system to do it. And nobody 837 00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:57,060 plaidy Yeah, no, and no one cared to pick it up. And I'll 838 00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:59,640 tell you why. Because no one wants you to know the real 839 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,420 numbers. Real numbers may not be as favorable as people make them 840 00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:04,080 out to be. 841 00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:08,280 Yeah, if you take away all the fake numbers, and within 842 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,060 podcasting, it's it's just not it's not the same, you can't get 843 00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:14,970 paid on that. You can't get paid on fake, don't fake numbers. I 844 00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:17,190 mean, on real numbers, you have to get paid on the fake ones. 845 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:23,970 And I don't know, do you? Do you do any sort of your your model 846 00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:30,240 in in just cast is really interesting, because you, you 847 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:35,820 allowed Dropbox, hosted feeds. And so I want to ask you a 848 00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:39,390 couple of things. I guess, first of all, like, Do you have a way 849 00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:42,030 of doing any sort of stats? Through that? 850 00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:49,260 Yeah. So we we do. So we allow people to put just cut one 851 00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:51,690 special thing with the right people can just jet and drop 852 00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:55,470 that file to their job boss until you pick that out to 853 00:56:55,950 --> 00:57:01,890 Dropbox API. And but we actually shove in there to correct that 854 00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:05,130 is that I need to do some right. It was posted to collect the 855 00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:10,500 data, then I can have some basis that is there. But those that is 856 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,520 that isn't going to be so good. From our 857 00:57:16,889 --> 00:57:20,219 Yeah, so that so do you have a Can somebody put their own? 858 00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:24,959 Like, could they bring their own statistics, statistics, I guess, 859 00:57:24,959 --> 00:57:27,569 like try to track it through their own systems? It's it's 860 00:57:27,569 --> 00:57:28,739 really just Dropbox? 861 00:57:30,389 --> 00:57:37,409 Um, well, I guess I don't understand the question. I 862 00:57:37,409 --> 00:57:42,239 think. So because we the hosting me, I kinda like hosting the 863 00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:44,999 file a on our system at the end. So that 864 00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:49,740 Okay, so the Dropbox is just the interface to get the files in? 865 00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:50,580 Is that the idea? 866 00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:57,090 Yes, yes. Yes. So, yeah, at the end, I think this will happen. 867 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,530 No, did you choose this? So that people what was the reasoning 868 00:58:01,530 --> 00:58:04,260 behind doing it with with Dropbox so that people always 869 00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:07,830 have their own content with them, and you're basically 870 00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:11,370 providing an interface to create the feed and you're mirroring 871 00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:14,250 mirroring the contents of the Dropbox? Is that how it works? 872 00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:20,159 Yes, yes, yes. Well, we actually have two different paths. So if 873 00:58:20,219 --> 00:58:24,179 you are a personal user, then you are not doing publisher, 874 00:58:24,389 --> 00:58:28,649 your RSS feed to anywhere, you're just somehow get an audio 875 00:58:28,649 --> 00:58:33,059 book or whatever audio content, you want to listen that to a 876 00:58:33,059 --> 00:58:38,849 podcast app. And just password, Paulo be a very good place for 877 00:58:38,849 --> 00:58:42,899 you to get started. Because we host an order file from Dropbox, 878 00:58:43,169 --> 00:58:45,389 you put there and then we get the file. And we are actually 879 00:58:45,389 --> 00:58:50,399 using the dropbox blend to host that. So the kind of appeals in 880 00:58:50,399 --> 00:58:51,779 their bandwidth. 881 00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:56,370 Okay, but that's kind of your free tier is you, you leverage 882 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,990 Dropbox for your free tier, and then if people start to get more 883 00:59:00,990 --> 00:59:05,160 downloads than you, you offer them an upgrade, which is pretty 884 00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:09,870 cheap. I saw like $9 and then and then you get then that you 885 00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:11,430 get mirrored on your servers. 886 00:59:11,730 --> 00:59:14,220 Yes, yes. How you doing? 887 00:59:14,699 --> 00:59:19,829 Did you have to? Did you have to fine tune that where you figured 888 00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:25,649 out how much bandwidth Dropbox was willing to serve before they 889 00:59:25,769 --> 00:59:27,659 started you know, having a problem 890 00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:34,949 so far, we didn't have any such problem at the moment but we 891 00:59:34,949 --> 00:59:38,309 have some very small so I guess it doesn't matter to drop off 892 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:39,209 that you have to pay. 893 00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:44,639 Yeah, I guess is do you how do you know is is there a limit 894 00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:49,769 where you would contact a podcaster and say, you know your 895 00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:54,209 your so your show is starting to get this many this many hits. 896 00:59:54,389 --> 00:59:56,099 You really need to upgrade. 897 00:59:57,570 --> 00:59:59,940 I don't maybe we should but I don't 898 01:00:00,630 --> 01:00:03,840 Okay, yeah, it's just it's still new Roadsters probably just knew 899 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,430 enough to where you don't know those limits. Yeah. 900 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,610 Well, actually, no, we have been around since 2014, or 15. I've 901 01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:11,940 been 902 01:00:12,540 --> 01:00:15,540 doing the doing with with the full Dropbox integration. 903 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,990 Yes. From day one, we are full Dropbox integration. 904 01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,980 Oh, so that probably means you. I had no idea. You've been 905 01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:27,480 around that long. So that means that you were probably you 906 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,410 probably started this back when Dropbox had their full public 907 01:00:31,410 --> 01:00:32,100 folder. 908 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,690 Feature. Yes, no, but because we kind of care about people's 909 01:00:39,690 --> 01:00:46,320 security, we only ask them to authorize our app folder. So we 910 01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:51,750 only see the content from that folder inside there. That's just 911 01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:54,720 us folder, we can only access that folder, I cannot access a 912 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,510 brand else. Gotcha. John Claude thing. 913 01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:04,919 Okay, that makes sense. So we're in the, in the, in the spirit of 914 01:01:05,609 --> 01:01:10,199 Spotify, saying that there's been no innovation in in RSS. 915 01:01:10,529 --> 01:01:13,739 Well, then, you know, I'm looking at all of the features 916 01:01:13,739 --> 01:01:19,169 that just cast supports, chapters, funding, location, 917 01:01:19,499 --> 01:01:24,899 lock tagged person tag, pod, ping, season tag, the sound 918 01:01:24,899 --> 01:01:30,029 bytes, trailered. And value. I mean, you support like a whole 919 01:01:30,029 --> 01:01:33,209 ton of stuff. You're literally like, just like eight different, 920 01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:35,879 you know, nine different tags that you support that are all 921 01:01:35,999 --> 01:01:38,249 fairly new, you know, like almost brand new. 922 01:01:38,909 --> 01:01:43,319 We also support a medium tab as well. So now you can Newsday 923 01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:47,069 audiobooks. Well, excellent. 924 01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:48,510 Nice, 925 01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:50,640 excellent. That's nice little aside. Yeah. Holy 926 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:51,090 crap. 927 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:52,439 Put that in your pull request. 928 01:01:53,369 --> 01:01:55,019 Yes. Excellent. Okay, 929 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,170 Josh, knows this. Have you been since you've been running this 930 01:01:58,170 --> 01:02:03,240 from 2014? Is it your main your main business? Do you do other 931 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,240 things is this clearly it must be doing okay for you because 932 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,010 you've kept with it, congratulations. 933 01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:13,200 No, well, but it's not my main business. I'm just, I'm a 934 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,620 software engineer working for a company today. And before I was 935 01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:20,370 actually a financial analyst, doing some health care and other 936 01:02:20,370 --> 01:02:23,100 stuff, and happened to lie to poker. 937 01:02:24,299 --> 01:02:28,799 So what what was the what was the spark? What made you want to 938 01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:31,469 start getting into this into the hosting business? 939 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:37,080 Yeah. So this is a project with my roommate that and they in 940 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,040 college, so we are in Los Angeles, you can compare gender 941 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,580 chocolate to their back. So since I quit, after we graduated 942 01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:48,270 from college, we started going to work and then we need to dry 943 01:02:48,450 --> 01:02:51,690 out commute times were bad. So we always need to find some 944 01:02:51,690 --> 01:02:55,200 content to plan when we are trying on the 945 01:02:57,179 --> 01:03:00,269 podcast were made for people like you. You needed some you 946 01:03:00,269 --> 01:03:02,249 needed some drive time content. 947 01:03:02,790 --> 01:03:08,550 Yes. I think that tender day i 2013 14. That wasn't that many 948 01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:15,630 podcasts as today. There's more other YouTube thing, and then we 949 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,500 are the audiobook we can find online. So we want to attention 950 01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:26,760 that's our job. Just can't combine job. Daddy. Yeah, surely 951 01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:28,920 just for our own at the beginning. 952 01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:32,100 Nice. This how it always and is it? Is it doing? Well. I mean, 953 01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:34,830 it's obviously it's self sustaining. And you have a lot 954 01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:36,600 of I don't know how many customers you have. How many how 955 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:37,980 many people do you think are using? 956 01:03:38,849 --> 01:03:43,409 I don't exactly know how many people are using today. But I 957 01:03:43,409 --> 01:03:48,539 think there are about 200 people are paying today. It's not so 958 01:03:48,539 --> 01:03:55,499 good. But it is a project of one, I guess, on the side that I 959 01:03:55,499 --> 01:03:59,639 can use feature every single day. Because I like it, I guess 960 01:04:00,299 --> 01:04:03,719 I'm looking at the I'm looking at our stats and I'm showing 961 01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:09,719 that just cat what we have is 287 just cast feeds in our 962 01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:11,969 index. Is that interesting. That's about right. 963 01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:18,210 I think so. Yeah. I'm not doing a good job of checking any 964 01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:20,550 statistics on my desk. 965 01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:26,160 Steven Be just sent a booster gram row a duck's Joshua, we 966 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,320 already answered this question. How many paying users would you 967 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,170 estimate you answered that? He said I saw your earlier just 968 01:04:31,170 --> 01:04:35,400 cast work posted on Heroku. And it's come along with Heroku and 969 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,980 has come a long way that looks great, awesome job. He says. 970 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:44,550 Yeah, yeah, you watch on Hulu. And I've been since pandemic we 971 01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:48,900 migrate away from Hulu to something else, which make that 972 01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,500 easier and cheaper. Heroku I've 973 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,350 had enough. I've heard there's a lot of people that started on 974 01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:58,980 Heroku that are they're leaving that platform just because of 975 01:04:58,980 --> 01:05:02,850 those things because of It can get pretty expensive. Is that 976 01:05:02,850 --> 01:05:05,400 was that your? Was that your experience? Also, 977 01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:11,400 I, I think we get started cool to just cast was written in Ruby 978 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,470 on Rails. So back in the day, Hulu to have a very have done a 979 01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:20,520 very good job being calculated baseline deployments, and 980 01:05:20,670 --> 01:05:27,990 especially with Ruby on Rails. And I think, and, but, and they 981 01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:32,340 were overall Meteor stuff that when they were just yesterday, 982 01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:36,930 and now they are I think they're part of Salesforce or something 983 01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:37,470 like that. And 984 01:05:38,010 --> 01:05:40,740 that's right. Yeah, they get bored. Yeah. 985 01:05:41,340 --> 01:05:47,010 Yeah. And then we, yeah, that's why we wrote to them because 986 01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:49,770 it's cheaper. And then like, everybody's catching up to date 987 01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,670 with these like deployments and special soccer. So they are not 988 01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:58,260 that much special, I guess. Compare them, but their day. And 989 01:05:58,260 --> 01:06:01,020 that's super awkward. This is why we migrate away. 990 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:07,140 Yeah, that makes sense. So is it still a Ruby on Rails? You still 991 01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:08,520 Ruby on Rails application? Okay. 992 01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:11,580 Yeah, it is a Ruby on Rails back end. And then the finance 993 01:06:11,610 --> 01:06:12,450 written in React? 994 01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:19,860 Since you have such a kind of a simple to understand and elegant 995 01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:23,970 starting spot with the with how you've set it up with Dropbox? 996 01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:28,470 Have you been following our conversation about? Here we go 997 01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:34,170 music 2.0 About, about putting music into into apps and have 998 01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:36,750 the value for value streaming? What do you this seems like that 999 01:06:36,750 --> 01:06:40,440 would be great. This type of setup that you have, obviously, 1000 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,400 with a different interface for musicians might be really good 1001 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,770 because people feel comfortable like, Oh, I'm putting my stuff 1002 01:06:46,770 --> 01:06:51,900 in here. You know, here's my cost is known songs. If 1003 01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:57,150 someone's getting, you know, 10s of 1000s of have access to the 1004 01:06:57,150 --> 01:07:00,660 songs and the streaming SATs, well, you know, maybe it's time 1005 01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:04,530 to upgrade, but in general, I think most most Dropbox accounts 1006 01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:07,830 would probably suffice quite well. Have you considered 1007 01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:09,570 looking into this? 1008 01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,059 Yeah. And should we start? Well, first, I learn about this new 1009 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:19,049 tab, the medium for the music tab writes for Robert, they will 1010 01:07:19,049 --> 01:07:23,609 they will contact me I think he was trying to put up his new set 1011 01:07:23,609 --> 01:07:28,259 on the podcast 2.0. And, and going to I think she was using 1012 01:07:28,259 --> 01:07:30,509 just constant. I don't know you're still using just cars. 1013 01:07:30,779 --> 01:07:34,229 But I think he's mostly just holding his music. We've just 1014 01:07:34,229 --> 01:07:40,919 cars. And then it is on podcasting that now today. Yeah, 1015 01:07:40,919 --> 01:07:45,119 so I am very excited to have this new opportunity with like, 1016 01:07:45,329 --> 01:07:49,469 podcasts in the US is no longer no longer just podcast is like a 1017 01:07:49,469 --> 01:07:52,529 thing, right? It could be when you're setting the record on 1018 01:07:52,529 --> 01:07:56,189 your site or blog or any type of content. People can just put it 1019 01:07:56,189 --> 01:07:59,999 there. And at the end, it should be like internet 2.0. 1020 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,690 How do you how do you decide which new features to support? 1021 01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:10,050 Do you? Do you just try to do everything? Or do you have a way 1022 01:08:10,050 --> 01:08:11,520 that you prioritize? 1023 01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:17,640 Well? Yes, no. So I don't prioritize but whoever show you 1024 01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:20,790 some user feedback, some user requests, and I will do that 1025 01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:25,320 right away. Otherwise, I would just show this year and trying 1026 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,770 to implement as many things base from podcasting guests as 1027 01:08:28,770 --> 01:08:33,060 possible. And working on that when I don't have any other user 1028 01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:37,080 feedback or suggestion at the moment. That's excellent. 1029 01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:41,310 Now I was thinking about podcasting 2.0 And we have some 1030 01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:45,720 some new people who came into podcasts index dot social. By 1031 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,770 the way, Steven Be Nice touch there with the curio caster all 1032 01:08:49,770 --> 01:08:53,850 of a sudden, we've got a music tab. Hello. That was that was 1033 01:08:53,850 --> 01:09:00,960 quick that went from idea to execution very quickly. That is 1034 01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:03,810 the thing that I've been thinking about most is how does 1035 01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:09,270 value for value really work with music. And I think that with 1036 01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:13,680 that we could not have possibly done the music stuff until we 1037 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,320 had a couple other things set up. Which by you know, by 1038 01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:22,620 fortuitous timing, they have been set up because value for 1039 01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:27,000 value, the system needs the feedback loop. And that in the 1040 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:32,040 feedback loop in a podcast is different from a song. Your song 1041 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,890 isn't you're not going to create a new version of the song, or 1042 01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:38,460 even release a new song every week and thank everybody for 1043 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:45,000 their booster grams. So in this case, I think leaderboards 1044 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,620 become very important in apps so people can show and we'll 1045 01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:55,920 display their appreciation. In fact, some funny enough some of 1046 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,400 the functionality that that we argued about so much with 1047 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,170 fountain is much more appropriate. With threaded 1048 01:10:04,170 --> 01:10:11,940 booster grams I think live lit will be incredibly important 1049 01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:16,770 artists will will start to answer Spencer and April Kirby, 1050 01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:21,210 they kind of already figured this out. But having your music 1051 01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:25,110 feed and then having your your tracks or if you want to do by 1052 01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:27,360 album and all that kind of stuff, we have to figure out the 1053 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:34,140 seasons become albums etc. You know hosting either a live chat, 1054 01:10:35,460 --> 01:10:38,490 you know, just going live, basically. And then, you know, 1055 01:10:38,490 --> 01:10:43,500 talking to people, like an Instagram Live or YouTube live 1056 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,830 performing live these things will all be very important. But 1057 01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:52,230 I thought one of the best things we can do. And this is where 1058 01:10:52,230 --> 01:10:54,480 we're going to we're actually going to kick Spotify, SAS, it's 1059 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,960 going to be pretty funny, where they're trying to desperately 1060 01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,740 capture podcasts and we're going to we're going to wish right by 1061 01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:06,090 them on our tricycle in the music world if I want so my 1062 01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:10,350 biggest frustration has been I want to play music on my 1063 01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:13,830 podcast, and I can't play music that is licensed through the 1064 01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:20,610 traditional system. So how do I do this with music that is 2.0 1065 01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:26,130 and value for value enabled. If you could have like an 1066 01:11:26,130 --> 01:11:31,110 abstraction of so let's say I want to play a track from Dave 1067 01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:35,070 Jones. He has a wonderful track called What does that track you 1068 01:11:35,070 --> 01:11:39,690 had there Dave? Forgot was ream or to the ocean or prayer the 1069 01:11:39,690 --> 01:11:45,060 prayer I knew it was some hokey like that Homa. The prayer I'm 1070 01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:47,310 just kidding, because actually, it's quite nice that track 1071 01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:50,040 that's from an old band I was in Ireland, the rights are fully on 1072 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,570 the rise. It has a little bit of 1073 01:11:51,570 --> 01:11:55,110 a sweet it has little bit of a YouTube guitar vibe in there. 1074 01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:56,100 Maybe that's just me. 1075 01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:59,250 No, and that's not you. But the guy that was the guitar player 1076 01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:03,360 in our band, he was a huge YouTube, YouTube nut he ride. 1077 01:12:03,810 --> 01:12:09,000 Okay, so. So I have that track. And that track has a value block 1078 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,070 attached to it that has four different people. So when I play 1079 01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:20,130 this song, I would like by timecode, I would like my 1080 01:12:20,130 --> 01:12:25,200 podcast to say anything you're streaming right now, or anything 1081 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,360 you boost right now, I want you to send X percent. So now let 1082 01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:34,860 that is to be worked out. But let's say if I'm doing 10 Don't 1083 01:12:34,860 --> 01:12:38,580 doing 10 songs, I'm doing an hour long show, I want 50%. And 1084 01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:45,000 I want the other 50% to go equally to each each. Each track 1085 01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:49,260 that I played. And the reason I say abstraction is I would just 1086 01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:52,080 like to put in Okay, Dave Jones, the prayer I put in this 1087 01:12:52,290 --> 01:13:00,690 extraction abstraction block, and from 10 minutes to 13 1088 01:13:00,690 --> 01:13:06,000 minutes in this podcast 50% of all streams and booths go to 1089 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,240 that block, which then by itself expands into four different 1090 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,890 payments. Does that make sense? 1091 01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:16,320 So you're, you're saying that you you sort of go one level 1092 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,140 higher than the actual value block and put a layer on top of 1093 01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:19,350 it. 1094 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,980 I mean, just to make it easy, it was just to make it easy. I'm 1095 01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:26,130 thinking, I'm talking like a technologist who's out of his 1096 01:13:26,190 --> 01:13:31,170 out of his butt basically. But I'm looking at it from a kind of 1097 01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:36,570 a simplicity standpoint, is I, where I might even go to podcast 1098 01:13:36,570 --> 01:13:39,210 index, you know, I was like, Okay, I need to copy this song, 1099 01:13:39,420 --> 01:13:42,750 I want to play this, I copy something. And then that goes 1100 01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:47,130 into my feed creation software at this at this timestamp. I 1101 01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:53,460 want this block of addresses to get 50% divided as determined by 1102 01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:59,670 that block. And then and then the next three minutes has to go 1103 01:13:59,670 --> 01:14:02,220 to the next block. So for me, it just, I just want to click Oh, 1104 01:14:02,220 --> 01:14:04,950 click that I don't need to know who's behind it. So I don't want 1105 01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:08,370 to be putting in four and the splits and all that shit. That 1106 01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:12,060 has to be a predetermined split that I can just reference 1107 01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:16,170 somehow, then and put in and of course it has to fire off at 1108 01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:20,040 that moment. So it's extra work for the apps, obviously. 1109 01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:23,940 Yeah, so you're saying like, you're talking about doing this 1110 01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:27,060 dynamic value block is what Steven B just called it? 1111 01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:31,650 Yeah, so like yeah, very Yeah, dynamic or virtual value value. 1112 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:34,890 But so you're like you're doing this because music has a 1113 01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:38,850 different like it's just not you have to change the Wii for the 1114 01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:44,100 model, not change the model, but change the mechanism in order to 1115 01:14:44,130 --> 01:14:48,150 like make it fit. The mute Yes, yes. 1116 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:52,530 Yes track. Exactly. So, you know, the the feedback loop, I 1117 01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:57,120 think, mainly can come from people playing the song, rolling 1118 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,570 back, you know, throwing SATs back as predetermine And by the 1119 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,940 by the Dynamic Value block, talking about the music, but 1120 01:15:05,940 --> 01:15:08,430 also letting people know that they are directly supporting the 1121 01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:15,600 artist. So now, you know now when someone boosts my show the 1122 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,230 artists and the splits in that artists block also get that 1123 01:15:19,230 --> 01:15:22,320 booster gram. You see, now you've just explained, it's like 1124 01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:25,770 signing up one user and we get two and a half in return. 1125 01:15:27,390 --> 01:15:32,850 Yeah. Yes, the magic money machine. So, as Steven said, add 1126 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:36,360 a value block to the chapter spec. And then you just use the 1127 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,940 chapters as the glue. 1128 01:15:38,970 --> 01:15:40,620 Oh, now we're running with scissors. 1129 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,930 Not a bad idea. I like what you think Josh put a make chapters 1130 01:15:45,930 --> 01:15:48,990 be able to point to different values, value setups. 1131 01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:54,900 I think display idea also does some bias value. Soundbite Yep. 1132 01:15:55,290 --> 01:15:58,380 Yep. Yep. Yes. To get one. Yeah. Okay, so 1133 01:15:58,710 --> 01:16:02,100 now we just need to, it would be nice to have a dynamic valid, 1134 01:16:02,130 --> 01:16:06,870 you know, a value block, you can just reference for a song. Now, 1135 01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:09,510 I'm not quite sure how we do that. Technically. 1136 01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:12,600 What a Josh, what is the tip jar? 1137 01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:17,760 Took joy is the kinetic sportive, but I'm not spying or 1138 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,800 shy about it. Try so that people can just spend money from there. 1139 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,890 I'll collect money from stroy. 1140 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:32,220 Okay, interesting. So this work? What made you think of doing 1141 01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:32,580 that? 1142 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,950 I think, like video, a lot of other people was doing that. I'm 1143 01:16:37,950 --> 01:16:39,780 just trying to follow other people. 1144 01:16:40,290 --> 01:16:45,120 Right. Yeah. Yeah, that that's, that's, you know, the money, the 1145 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:49,470 monetizing the monetizing data, Spotify, people in the United 1146 01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:53,070 talked a lot about that. And in, you know, this, this is a solved 1147 01:16:54,510 --> 01:16:58,080 it's assault thing now a bit, because if you they talked so 1148 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,020 much about bringing advertising way down to the bottom level? 1149 01:17:01,410 --> 01:17:08,190 And I think, I think the soft approach now is that ad when it 1150 01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:15,360 comes to low download numbers on shows, the direct payments, you 1151 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:20,790 know, sending value for value model is really the only thing 1152 01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:25,530 that works and tip jar would be, you know, the tipping ideas, you 1153 01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:29,910 know, is a ver is a miss version of that. Is that you at that at 1154 01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:33,840 that level. You advertising doesn't work. And so you have 1155 01:17:33,870 --> 01:17:36,210 you that's that's the thing that works. 1156 01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:45,990 Yeah, I, I, I want to show I want to share my my, my idea on 1157 01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:51,060 the nice thing is for podcasts, I think not everybody tried to 1158 01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:54,780 make money or make any money or are people just want to put 1159 01:17:54,780 --> 01:17:58,410 together a show or something. Some something they would like 1160 01:17:58,410 --> 01:18:01,530 to share with theirs. There have been a conversation and podcast 1161 01:18:01,530 --> 01:18:05,280 that I don't love. That's a tip jar for them. That would be 1162 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,010 great. But if even they don't get money, they don't feel 1163 01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:11,220 upset, right. Just like I go to the basketball court and play 1164 01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:15,240 basketball in my face. Nobody wants to pay to watch us. And 1165 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,790 there's a hand has that upheaval, maybe it's a smaller 1166 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:21,810 set of more niche podcasts have been support. And thanks to 1167 01:18:21,810 --> 01:18:24,690 Polycom, I think it would be a great idea and where you guys 1168 01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:29,190 are enabling that. And I guess there's another one, which is 1169 01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:33,000 maybe one or 2% are doing very good job. And they want to 1170 01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:36,450 become a commercial success. And I think they were looking for a 1171 01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:41,250 more more defined approach to monetize their content. 1172 01:18:43,770 --> 01:18:44,820 Yeah, yeah. Thanks. 1173 01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:48,210 So it really sounds like you're really right in the pocket there 1174 01:18:48,210 --> 01:18:52,740 of podcasting. 2.0 You know, you you're small enough where you 1175 01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,620 can get stuff done quickly implemented, you know, there's a 1176 01:18:55,620 --> 01:18:59,040 lot of kind of self self serve bits to it. It's really nice, 1177 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,320 man. It's it's a nice, nice thing you've built there. 1178 01:19:02,010 --> 01:19:05,700 Yeah, it's nice for you guys to put all this cooling the 1179 01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:08,910 learning space up is like a wonderland for me, like I can 1180 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:14,730 realize face to interact with them. And yeah, I think this one 1181 01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:16,740 for me as a programmer as well. 1182 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,360 Let's 1183 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:27,030 before we thank some people, Dave. Very, very good news. I 1184 01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:30,930 think you probably got this email as well. I'll read it to 1185 01:19:30,930 --> 01:19:33,510 you because I was really excited. I haven't I mean, it's 1186 01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:39,240 just I could not believe it. We are the recipient of the safest 1187 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:45,690 content award. 2022 now read the email. Hello podcast index team. 1188 01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,050 My name is Philip. I am the Chief Content Manager at Sur dot 1189 01:19:49,050 --> 01:19:53,130 L Y. I am happy to inform you that podcasts index.org has been 1190 01:19:53,130 --> 01:19:56,490 identified as one of the safest websites offered to users in 1191 01:19:56,490 --> 01:20:00,570 2022. Please add this award widget to your web sight. 1192 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,810 Oh, I'm so good. I'm gonna do that immediately with all the 1193 01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:04,530 JavaScript 1194 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,690 connected to it claim your award. 1195 01:20:08,130 --> 01:20:09,690 Sounds like a fantastic I haven't 1196 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,630 I haven't seen one of these since the top five of the web. 1197 01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:16,470 Do you remember that? Top five was a web award. Those guys were 1198 01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:20,520 brilliant. The Alexa 100 or whatever, nada? Well, the top 1199 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,580 five of the Webawards way before that, and they literally gave 1200 01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:26,550 you a badge that would point back to their website where they 1201 01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:29,670 had advertising running. It was fantastic. Like and, and we had 1202 01:20:29,670 --> 01:20:33,330 like clients like Reebok to look, we we want to top five of 1203 01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:35,610 the web award, put it on our website, we're like, 1204 01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:40,080 yeah, yeah. They get a little bit of 1205 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,000 this. Yes, little scissor that. And then the, we get in. Both 1206 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:51,630 Dave and I are on the info at podcast, index.org email, email 1207 01:20:51,630 --> 01:20:55,590 address. And we get a lot of interesting requests. And I've 1208 01:20:55,590 --> 01:21:00,060 fished one out as well from Kathy, titled, unpopular 1209 01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:03,180 podcast. Hi there. I don't know if you can help me, but I'm 1210 01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:06,330 trying to find stats and links for podcasts that few people are 1211 01:21:06,330 --> 01:21:10,380 playing people for? Is it possible to find this info? I'm 1212 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:13,020 trying to create a podcast to bring attention to neglected 1213 01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:15,600 podcasts? I thought that was 1214 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:20,460 I responded to cat but you do. I bet you did. In my my advice to 1215 01:21:20,460 --> 01:21:28,470 her was abandoned this go to anchor? Because the truth is 1216 01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:33,390 that, you know, out of 4.1 million podcasts on the index, 1217 01:21:33,390 --> 01:21:36,810 probably only about 20% of those have any listenership 1218 01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:41,910 whatsoever. And so like, I mean, you you, like just download the 1219 01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:44,460 whole index. There you go. That's that's your answer. You 1220 01:21:44,460 --> 01:21:44,550 know, 1221 01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:47,970 it's interesting, just as a as a number, let's just say not 1222 01:21:47,970 --> 01:21:52,230 800,000, but a million podcasts of any action. There's a billion 1223 01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:57,930 dollars in advertising, I'm told. So that's, that would mean 1224 01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:04,440 a million CPMs. Am I saying that right? No, that would mean, a 1225 01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:13,950 million CPMs would be like $23 million? The it's just hard to 1226 01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:15,900 work out the math where all the money's going? 1227 01:22:16,230 --> 01:22:19,500 I don't know. Yeah, I don't believe in getting the money. 1228 01:22:19,890 --> 01:22:24,690 The highest I've ever saw you pick up the stats on the index 1229 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,590 homepage, every now and then. The highest I've ever seen that 1230 01:22:28,590 --> 01:22:29,670 90 day number 1231 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,380 of podcasts with 500,000. Maybe 1232 01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:39,420 it's bumped 600? A couple of times. I mean, it's just, that's 1233 01:22:39,420 --> 01:22:43,800 really all you got. There's a good there's, there's about 600 1234 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,410 shows that are constantly publishing now that may be 1235 01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:49,740 rotating, and maybe some falling offense I'm coming on. But sure. 1236 01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:52,170 It's not gonna it's not more than that. 1237 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,840 And to wonder those shows are on the just cast. 1238 01:22:55,590 --> 01:23:01,590 That's right. Do it or 97. Yeah. Well, I mean, I know abroad a 1239 01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:06,570 nice Oh, it feels appropriate before for this. If you want to 1240 01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:07,890 hit it, think about it. 1241 01:23:09,210 --> 01:23:12,570 Think about it. Oh, yeah. I can't wait for someone to clip 1242 01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:16,350 that bit out. Especially the bit where we show the interactivity 1243 01:23:16,350 --> 01:23:19,260 of that old RSS technology, think about it. 1244 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:21,570 outdated, outdated, are 1245 01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:23,700 still bad for this lady. She didn't know what she was getting 1246 01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:27,990 into. She's smoking the Spotify crack. I tried to register block 1247 01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:32,760 of phi. In every variation. It's all gone. It's all gone. Even 1248 01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,490 try dot app, you know, like, fuck it, I'll pay 50 bucks. If I 1249 01:23:35,490 --> 01:23:39,270 can get block of five? Nah, they probably smartly registered all 1250 01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:40,050 of that already. 1251 01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:44,700 You don't pay 1000s and 1000s of dollars in renewal fees a year, 1252 01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:47,280 you won't get another one that you'll never use. 1253 01:23:47,519 --> 01:23:51,569 I have been paring it down a little bit. Good. So as part of 1254 01:23:51,569 --> 01:23:56,129 our monetization scheme, we employ something that's worked 1255 01:23:56,129 --> 01:23:59,879 very well for 15 years on several podcasts, it's value for 1256 01:23:59,879 --> 01:24:04,979 value. That means that you need to return some value to keep 1257 01:24:04,979 --> 01:24:08,639 this going. The podcast the project, you just heard we have 1258 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:12,059 developers who support this. If you're a developer, you could be 1259 01:24:12,059 --> 01:24:15,629 a software developer, you could be a content developer, you 1260 01:24:15,629 --> 01:24:17,939 could be someone who develops ideas and gives them to 1261 01:24:17,939 --> 01:24:20,309 podcasters. Everybody's a developer in one way or the 1262 01:24:20,309 --> 01:24:23,399 other. What kind of value did you get out of this? Did you 1263 01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,829 learn something? Maybe you're an investor, maybe you just went 1264 01:24:25,829 --> 01:24:32,219 short on Spotify. This is not financial advice. It's not maybe 1265 01:24:32,219 --> 01:24:35,699 you've already made some money off of us somehow. Determine 1266 01:24:35,699 --> 01:24:38,339 what this is worth to you and your world and send that back to 1267 01:24:38,339 --> 01:24:41,939 us. You can do it through the Fiat fund coupon route, which is 1268 01:24:42,449 --> 01:24:45,749 Pay Pal go to podcast index.org scroll to the bottom Big Red 1269 01:24:45,749 --> 01:24:49,079 donate button. You can also send us Bitcoin on chain I checked 1270 01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:52,259 the chain no one ever uses that everyone bitched about, Hey man, 1271 01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:56,549 you should take on chain and your QR code. No one uses it 1272 01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:59,190 and then they never do it. No one It happens all the 1273 01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:03,240 very Now we have not I want to say no one but and people who do 1274 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,890 they don't typically add a note. So I don't know where it's 1275 01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:10,440 coming from. So I can't thank anybody. It's really odd. Let me 1276 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:16,770 see if we got anything here. Anything 11 hours ago 30 318 1277 01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:18,780 Keep up the great work guys don't know who it's from 1278 01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:25,650 unfortunately. And there was nothing else. That was it. Let 1279 01:25:25,650 --> 01:25:28,500 me read some of the live booster grams as they came in Carolyn 1280 01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:33,930 3333 safest podcast running with scissors 6969 from Carolyn. 1281 01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:37,020 Hello. diggin The scissors are thank you for podcasting. 1282 01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:43,740 2.0 17,910 from Mike Newman so easy to boost live now it's fun. 1283 01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:48,150 Don't just stand there boost just stand there. Boost 500 from 1284 01:25:48,180 --> 01:25:52,800 ambitious would large still have had a fit if the leaked 1285 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,450 Metallica album was streaming so streaming sets? problem now he 1286 01:25:57,450 --> 01:26:03,960 would have a horse of the pussy boy like that. We already got 1287 01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:09,150 Steven B's question there. Chad Pharaoh 3333 This shit is lit it 1288 01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:13,680 is Mitas helping to pay the rent. And those are our I think 1289 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,990 most of our all of our pre show and live booster grams. Who else 1290 01:26:18,990 --> 01:26:20,340 you have on the list there, Dave? 1291 01:26:20,670 --> 01:26:23,970 Well, I got some pay pals. Number one 1292 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,630 good because with the price of Bitcoin, people either need to 1293 01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:29,550 up the Satoshis or send us Fiat. 1294 01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:33,180 Yeah. Get out of your ruts get out of here. Get out of your 1295 01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:37,050 habits. Well, this one came in right under the wire. I mean, 1296 01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:43,590 just like, you know, deadline point. Benjamin Richardson from 1297 01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:47,670 rss.com. Ben and Albertus and his $500 through PayPal. Oh, 1298 01:26:47,670 --> 01:26:54,060 man. Shot Caller 20 is Blaze own. I am Paula, thank you so 1299 01:26:54,060 --> 01:27:01,080 much. I love that the hosting business is doing so much to 1300 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,950 keep this project going. That's really, really appreciated. 1301 01:27:05,519 --> 01:27:08,099 Well, let me stuff like the comments for Spotify. It just, 1302 01:27:08,519 --> 01:27:11,879 it just exemplifies the reason. I mean, it's just 1303 01:27:11,879 --> 01:27:14,099 misinformation. And they there's 1304 01:27:14,430 --> 01:27:16,230 about lies about lies. 1305 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:22,110 Yeah, I was just Indian, Indian. Adam and Dave. We just wanted 1306 01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:24,780 again to send back some of the value we get for the podcasting 1307 01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:28,170 2.0 initiative. Keeping RSS relevant in podcasting is 1308 01:27:28,170 --> 01:27:31,110 essential to keeping it open. Thank you for all you do to lead 1309 01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:33,210 these efforts. The team@rss.com 1310 01:27:33,689 --> 01:27:36,989 Thank you, Jean. Thank you. tim@rss.com Yes. 1311 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:43,680 Is a listener thank you to team@rss.com we thanks guys. 1312 01:27:44,460 --> 01:27:50,880 We should put them up maybe they could get a safest content. 1313 01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:53,550 Probably we could probably get them in a war. 1314 01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:56,550 What did you see what Alberto did with all the AI to get rid 1315 01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:59,760 of the sex worker spam? I mean, I know nearly the safest 1316 01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:04,170 you know, I'm telling you. I talked I talked about it. I know 1317 01:28:04,170 --> 01:28:07,590 agenda. Oh, did you? I said that. Yeah. And I said it again. 1318 01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:10,770 You know escorts you're making a big mistake start an actual 1319 01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:13,080 podcast. Do it. 1320 01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:14,190 Yeah. Or I mean, 1321 01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:18,660 they don't leave your home they don't leave your website. Right. 1322 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,420 Josh did you get you I see you have a free trial thing. Did you 1323 01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:27,960 have you seen any of that spam signups? 1324 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:37,920 I I don't look at my I don't look at the spam any any data of 1325 01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:43,350 just passed away often, but I do see two I think a few years ago 1326 01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:48,300 I do experience somebody like putting a log file into Dropbox 1327 01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:52,290 to just with just class and then they get access fee and then 1328 01:28:52,290 --> 01:29:00,090 they will migrate that to anchor because it's easier to stay 1329 01:29:00,090 --> 01:29:05,160 right yeah from us and then the impulse to enter or to anchor or 1330 01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,970 something like that. They need to do that one by one and I and 1331 01:29:08,970 --> 01:29:11,910 then once I see that I just put them off. 1332 01:29:12,570 --> 01:29:17,430 But they were make they were using yen to make onboarding to 1333 01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:20,970 anchor spam easier, man that's terrible. 1334 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,630 That's not how escorts do business. 1335 01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:32,220 Okay, we got we got another week PayPal donation this week from 1336 01:29:32,940 --> 01:29:41,100 Rene. Rene ding Nigar Nigar Nigar de que en IgG e I'm sorry 1337 01:29:41,130 --> 01:29:45,450 if I've butchered that. NYG can continue I'm not 1338 01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:49,830 sure why the case. Now. Now. I want to know KNK in 1339 01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:53,970 IgG II kinnexa Conesa. 1340 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:58,440 Where's where's he from? Renee, can you 1341 01:29:58,710 --> 01:30:02,490 do not no no it's not so Got a girl's boy he's that he's on 1342 01:30:02,490 --> 01:30:10,020 podcast Indystar social as K NGGE I think that is I think 1343 01:30:10,020 --> 01:30:15,660 that's his handle but we I didn't say where he's from us so 1344 01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:19,650 he sent a sent a note he says, Here's my drop in the bucket. 1345 01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:22,260 It's been a while since my last donation I love the podcast 1346 01:30:22,260 --> 01:30:25,110 every Friday and the index is a must have loved that you push 1347 01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:28,890 podcasting forward in so many different ways. Also damn smart 1348 01:30:28,890 --> 01:30:32,130 to push in that many diverse directions. Tech social and 1349 01:30:32,130 --> 01:30:35,520 payments. I've added a little bit over the t shirt amount in 1350 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,300 case for case for costs of sending to the Netherlands. Oh, 1351 01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:41,730 from the Netherlands. He's Dutch. kinnexa That was right. 1352 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:47,190 Okay, neat. Kenisha Alright, in the meantime, let's see how do 1353 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:53,820 kinnexa Yeah, pretty good. Okay, cool. T shirt if there are any 1354 01:30:53,820 --> 01:30:57,720 left of course, of course, he is always on demand baby on demand. 1355 01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,060 That's right. I find many occasions lately where I would 1356 01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,580 have loved to wear it. More podcast happenings going on 1357 01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:05,310 lately in the Netherlands. Have a great weekend and keep 1358 01:31:05,310 --> 01:31:06,930 podcasting. Thank you, Renee. 1359 01:31:07,019 --> 01:31:11,639 All right, man. Thank you. Can you Nika Tanisha. Like can Nikki 1360 01:31:12,179 --> 01:31:13,529 from Greece can Nikki can you? 1361 01:31:14,910 --> 01:31:19,710 Can etha can you go? Can you okay? It gets worse the more I 1362 01:31:19,710 --> 01:31:23,850 do it, so I'm gonna stop. I've gotta make good on the 1363 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:28,260 Instagrams. Oh, I missed one last week from an extremely 1364 01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:29,040 important person. 1365 01:31:30,090 --> 01:31:34,440 Roy Oh, Miss ROI, boost ROI get all bent out of shape. 1366 01:31:34,770 --> 01:31:38,790 He messaged me and said Hey, you missed my boost. I was like, Oh 1367 01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:39,660 man, you should have 1368 01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:42,510 said was I didn't see anything come in must be your app. 1369 01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:48,389 Clearly, this is a breeze blah blah. And not a me problem. 1370 01:31:49,979 --> 01:31:56,249 50 54,321 stats from last week. Yeah, this is Dave needs. Dave 1371 01:31:56,249 --> 01:31:59,099 needs a sociology and philosophy podcast. I'll boost that. 1372 01:31:59,130 --> 01:32:01,620 Yeah, sure. We'll all boosted 1373 01:32:03,689 --> 01:32:07,199 see, sorry about that. Roy. And we got another one from Roy for 1374 01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:12,809 this week. 54321 54,321 SAS through breeze and he just says 1375 01:32:12,809 --> 01:32:13,439 booze. 1376 01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:13,949 Yeah 1377 01:32:17,820 --> 01:32:19,650 thank you, bro. I got you this week Roy. 1378 01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,480 Roy really appreciate it. 1379 01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:26,399 Is Mick from the mere mortals podcast conference in a row 1380 01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:30,779 ducks 2222 He says I like that idiot and value for value in a 1381 01:32:30,779 --> 01:32:33,389 booster gram was all that was needed for Adam to think of me. 1382 01:32:38,430 --> 01:32:39,240 My marketing 1383 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,450 is working. Very well done. Karen. Yeah, 1384 01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:47,609 good job. Dion's in this one 999 SAS and he says, I love dog 1385 01:32:47,609 --> 01:32:50,759 catcher. I wish someone would work on it. Someone still makes 1386 01:32:50,759 --> 01:32:53,789 money on it. It's sad. I even told him clients can make money 1387 01:32:53,789 --> 01:32:54,659 and still no joy. 1388 01:32:55,140 --> 01:32:59,640 You know, there was a interesting that's a someone 1389 01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:04,980 sent me like a panic email. Listen, and it was not dog 1390 01:33:04,980 --> 01:33:07,830 catcher, the dog catcher thing we figured out and I guess 1391 01:33:07,830 --> 01:33:14,820 whatever, podcast addict, and it had already looped in the 1392 01:33:14,820 --> 01:33:17,820 support desk, and I caught him I feel uncomfortable. You know, 1393 01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:21,570 it's like, like looping me into the conversation like, well, 1394 01:33:21,570 --> 01:33:24,810 this is not working. And here's, you know, like linking me and 1395 01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:27,540 podcast addict like now. Okay, now I gotta figure out what's 1396 01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:30,990 going on with your system. And it appeared for a little bit. 1397 01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:34,380 Although this podcast addict pull from the index. 1398 01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:38,700 They offer that as an option they can pull from either one, 1399 01:33:38,729 --> 01:33:41,669 what do they pull from the API? They just pull from the feed? 1400 01:33:41,699 --> 01:33:45,569 Yeah. It perfectly API's for some things for so if I have 10 1401 01:33:45,569 --> 01:33:49,529 shows listed in my feed, and someone somehow has downloaded 1402 01:33:49,529 --> 01:33:54,659 show 11, do they still get the chapter information? 1403 01:33:57,149 --> 01:33:58,499 That's undefined behavior. 1404 01:34:00,180 --> 01:34:03,150 So we thought actually, that that was the problem. And I 1405 01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:05,790 thought it was going to be an interesting topic, too, because 1406 01:34:05,790 --> 01:34:11,040 I've never really had this issue. No one's ever complained 1407 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,310 about it at least. And then we figured out and this is 1408 01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:18,060 something that is occurring more often, particularly on the Apple 1409 01:34:18,090 --> 01:34:23,430 platform. My no agenda files are over 100 megabytes. And the 1410 01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:25,770 amount of emails I get from people saying can't get the 1411 01:34:25,770 --> 01:34:30,120 show. It's not downloading doesn't work die. They're all on 1412 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,440 their cell connection. And there's the limit factor that I 1413 01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:37,350 think I don't know if that's it app level, if it's abstracted up 1414 01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:43,260 there, or if it's set somewhere down below there is a limit for 1415 01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:51,570 downloading files over 100 megabytes on iOS, and, and this 1416 01:34:51,570 --> 01:34:56,700 has caused many a loop in in troubleshooting. 1417 01:34:57,359 --> 01:35:01,319 Interesting. Well, what do you have The file size limit Josh on 1418 01:35:01,319 --> 01:35:02,069 just cast. 1419 01:35:02,850 --> 01:35:05,460 All right. I don't think so. 1420 01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,640 Okay, but this is the app side. Dave. 1421 01:35:09,630 --> 01:35:12,480 Yeah, I was just wondering if just wondering if there was a if 1422 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:15,240 you may have if the hosting companies may have seen these 1423 01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:19,440 problems before, with with large, you know, like, because I 1424 01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:23,370 would assume that if, if listeners start complaining to 1425 01:35:23,370 --> 01:35:28,140 the pipe, like, like he did with you, that list, start 1426 01:35:28,140 --> 01:35:30,900 complaining to the creators that then the creator, the host, 1427 01:35:30,900 --> 01:35:33,900 wouldn't the podcast Creator would then go to the hosting 1428 01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:37,800 company and say, Hey, is there anything wrong with my setup? 1429 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,880 That's right. I don't know how many people are doing 100 1430 01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,840 megabyte files. 1431 01:35:42,930 --> 01:35:44,490 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1432 01:35:45,689 --> 01:35:49,979 Yes. Probably Probably the the exception, not the rule. No, 1433 01:35:49,979 --> 01:35:51,029 I just thought I'd mentioned that. 1434 01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:55,890 Nick. Sin is 2222 sets. He says a tweet from Kevin rook 1435 01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,450 mentioned near the start. Oh, that's right. Yes. You ought to 1436 01:36:00,450 --> 01:36:01,470 listen around. Actually. 1437 01:36:02,009 --> 01:36:06,779 Let me let me take a look right now because that refers to the 1438 01:36:06,779 --> 01:36:10,649 number of value for value enabled podcasts currently on 1439 01:36:10,649 --> 01:36:14,669 the platform. We had a huge day. I love these new stats, Dave. 1440 01:36:15,629 --> 01:36:19,649 Because I can see see every single day how many new podcasts 1441 01:36:19,649 --> 01:36:21,179 have been value for value enabled? 1442 01:36:21,570 --> 01:36:26,940 Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad to provide that I 1443 01:36:26,940 --> 01:36:30,030 just think about it every day. I'm sure you do picking up on 1444 01:36:30,030 --> 01:36:31,200 there I'm literally 1445 01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:34,230 keeping track in a spreadsheet. Okay, it looks at it this time 1446 01:36:34,230 --> 01:36:41,910 on this day. Yeah. 7370 we're doing over we have days we're 1447 01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:47,970 adding 50 to 60 podcast value for value and the value blog 1448 01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:51,030 Yeah, sorry I wouldn't we need split those out see how many are 1449 01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:54,510 three speak and how many are other three speak in other 1450 01:36:54,540 --> 01:36:58,140 doesn't matter. I mean, do no, no, no, really? I'm just curious 1451 01:36:58,140 --> 01:37:00,810 three speak uses that don't they? Or is that is Yeah. Or is 1452 01:37:00,810 --> 01:37:03,720 there like 3000 that are not really used? And that's the 1453 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,490 three speak? No, I 1454 01:37:05,490 --> 01:37:07,890 don't think so. I mean, I think it's just I think three speak 1455 01:37:07,890 --> 01:37:12,690 automatically generate the media goes in. So I'm just curious. 1456 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:18,930 I'm just curious. layman. Andy layman, our buddy 7777 SAS 1457 01:37:18,930 --> 01:37:22,110 through caster magic. He says boost episodes. 1458 01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:23,999 Thank you striper boosts 1459 01:37:24,780 --> 01:37:29,790 strapper best or highest striper boost, April Kirby 8888. And he 1460 01:37:29,790 --> 01:37:31,530 says keep it fruity boys. 1461 01:37:32,609 --> 01:37:33,809 Boost we shall 1462 01:37:35,670 --> 01:37:40,110 see, by the way, OBS crashed a long time ago. Not streaming 1463 01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:45,089 you need to stream yard is really quite simple works. Yeah. 1464 01:37:46,110 --> 01:37:54,000 Ahlborn Citadelle 49,490 SATs. He says release the best pod 1465 01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:57,570 release the best of podcasting. 2.0 on vinyl. I need some 1466 01:37:57,570 --> 01:38:04,200 ceremony. JCD boost please. Boost boost boost of vinyl. Yes. 1467 01:38:05,070 --> 01:38:07,410 Your ceremonial podcasting 2.0 vinyl 1468 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,500 Yeah, we're it's almost done just making the chapters. 1469 01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:15,330 It'll be it'll arrive as a separate album to picture disc. 1470 01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:18,870 You stick it out, you'd lay it on top of the of the regular von 1471 01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:24,720 dribs got Bruce Wayne and podcasting since 22 to 22 Cast 1472 01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,240 Matic and he says, Can you guys talk about possible tax 1473 01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:30,060 implications of receiving sets? How should things be tracked and 1474 01:38:30,060 --> 01:38:30,600 reported? 1475 01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:39,510 Interesting. Interesting us that I'm reaching out to to the 1476 01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:42,960 lawyer so you feel come on the tax, the tax attorney, debit 1477 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,660 card, Danny, no, no, not not debit debit card, Danny's 1478 01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:49,890 figuring out a whole different level. We'll as the guy who gave 1479 01:38:49,890 --> 01:38:54,270 us the opinion on, you know how the IRS eventually will be 1480 01:38:54,270 --> 01:38:57,210 instructed, or you know, the real definitions of the law. 1481 01:38:57,570 --> 01:38:59,880 We'll see if we can get him on. I'm still still working on that. 1482 01:38:59,940 --> 01:39:05,430 Trying to make sure we don't get billed for it. But But I'll tell 1483 01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:07,860 them that we'll we'll put a split in the value block and 1484 01:39:07,860 --> 01:39:09,630 that will send it right right to his office. 1485 01:39:10,170 --> 01:39:13,620 Yeah, just for people that don't know and Eric Erickson, he had 1486 01:39:13,620 --> 01:39:16,350 to leave and get to some other stuff because his life was busy 1487 01:39:16,350 --> 01:39:20,670 for him. So we had to get some other people that you know, 1488 01:39:20,670 --> 01:39:23,310 account to do some accounting, back office stuff that he was 1489 01:39:23,310 --> 01:39:27,780 doing. So Adams got this cast of, like this cast of people 1490 01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:30,240 that I've never even met don't know anything. It's like every 1491 01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,750 other day. It's like, yeah, I got this guy. Do so and so I'm 1492 01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:34,650 like, Who is this guy? 1493 01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:37,410 We literally have like four different people who have helped 1494 01:39:37,410 --> 01:39:41,670 us out very kindly at reduced rates. Yeah, yeah, right. very 1495 01:39:41,700 --> 01:39:42,270 kindly. 1496 01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:47,160 It took for people to do what Eric did. As a note, Nomad, Joe 1497 01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,310 gave us 2000 SATs through fountain and he says boosting 1498 01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:51,510 from the St. Lawrence River 1499 01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:53,490 to a nice nice 1500 01:39:55,320 --> 01:40:01,440 search when screw gave us 1893 1893 resets. He says this. 1501 01:40:02,010 --> 01:40:05,850 He says this reading is wonderful. Seriously, there was 1502 01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:13,050 Thank you. Sir Doug 5000 SATs through fountain and he says, 1503 01:40:13,710 --> 01:40:23,670 boost moost Monty caca 1000 SATs and he says How about PATA phi? 1504 01:40:24,330 --> 01:40:26,010 positron when it gets sued? 1505 01:40:26,190 --> 01:40:28,320 What do you mean? What about PATA phi 1506 01:40:28,379 --> 01:40:32,789 member? Pot? Like PIO, ti F why? They were like, 1507 01:40:33,659 --> 01:40:34,889 oh, yeah, gotcha. 1508 01:40:34,890 --> 01:40:39,660 How about pod if it's not gonna lock a five baby block of five 1509 01:40:39,660 --> 01:40:42,480 Mary Oscar citizens hidden set test boost. 1510 01:40:42,660 --> 01:40:46,440 Thank you. You know what? I caught that because it came 1511 01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:49,950 through on the boost bot. I'm like, yeah, he's testing out 1512 01:40:49,950 --> 01:40:50,550 live. 1513 01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:54,960 It screws me up. But he's his name is Oscar Mary. But his tag 1514 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:58,170 is Mary Mary. And always want to call him Mary. 1515 01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,420 Yeah. Well, let's just start doing that from now on. Okay. 1516 01:41:01,140 --> 01:41:06,270 All right, Mary. Hey, listen, Mary. We asked Leland today, you 1517 01:41:06,270 --> 01:41:09,900 know that he's gonna release live. You know, that's what 1518 01:41:09,900 --> 01:41:10,740 those booths are. 1519 01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:14,550 Yeah, they're it's he's in the he's in the dungeon. Yes. Yes. 1520 01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:14,910 He's 1521 01:41:14,910 --> 01:41:18,090 cooking up in the cauldron. Exactly. Yeah. Those tests 1522 01:41:18,090 --> 01:41:22,200 booster kind of lame, though. Yeah, that's right. Just say and 1523 01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:22,770 Mary. 1524 01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:31,259 Caspian? Have he have the cheese and 90 SATs? And he says yes, 1525 01:41:31,259 --> 01:41:33,629 yes. Yes. Invite the lawyer. Thanks for the word. 1526 01:41:34,770 --> 01:41:38,490 We will thank you. Cos by the duchies. I like that. 1527 01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:41,190 Yeah. Represent. Hey, I hope 1528 01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:44,130 you guys are boosting Robert Jensen's podcast because, you 1529 01:41:44,130 --> 01:41:46,890 know, we need we still need to show him that this shit really 1530 01:41:46,890 --> 01:41:48,420 works if he's not mentioning it 1531 01:41:48,450 --> 01:41:52,080 yet. It's not English. So if I tuned in, I'd have no no, 1532 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,050 no, I'm talking to the Dutch guys. Okay, we got lots of Dutch 1533 01:41:55,050 --> 01:41:56,430 guys listening and gals. 1534 01:41:57,180 --> 01:42:04,050 Brian of London in the hive Dao 31,741 status. So regular weekly 1535 01:42:04,050 --> 01:42:05,700 $10 from Brian of London go 1536 01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:07,140 podcast. That's right. 1537 01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:11,760 Bucha Can I just say that Brian of London can produce a blog 1538 01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:17,490 post in about 3.7 seconds. I mean, that guy five times a day. 1539 01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:21,690 Something happens and he has a blog post out before you can say 1540 01:42:21,690 --> 01:42:22,410 Bob's your uncle. 1541 01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:30,119 You know, why is that is really blood. That way Yes. 1000 word 1542 01:42:30,119 --> 01:42:32,939 blog. Something about these. It's probably in the matzah. 1543 01:42:34,139 --> 01:42:36,779 Yeah, those guys this is something they're doing. And 1544 01:42:36,779 --> 01:42:41,219 then I got boss write blog post. And, and most of them are 1545 01:42:41,219 --> 01:42:42,269 excellent writers. 1546 01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:44,940 Yeah, it's not like it's a hag job. It's I mean, it's like, 1547 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,200 but but here's the thing litter and I feel bad about this. So 1548 01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:54,060 Brian wrote a beautiful blog post about pod pig. But the 1549 01:42:54,060 --> 01:43:00,690 title is, Hive is now pod pig. I tweet that out. And I want to 1550 01:43:00,690 --> 01:43:07,590 promote it. Wait a minute, let me tell you the exact title. I 1551 01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:10,080 want him to know why I haven't tweeted it just because he says 1552 01:43:10,110 --> 01:43:13,410 hey, I can't tweet this because I've been blocked. Yeah, I 1553 01:43:13,410 --> 01:43:14,130 wonder why. 1554 01:43:15,180 --> 01:43:16,290 You have an account anymore. They 1555 01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:21,600 took it away. Here it is. So he's so he's taken a line from 1556 01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,600 classic how daily source code used to open something 1557 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,350 remarkable is happening here. Notifications are springing free 1558 01:43:28,350 --> 01:43:32,940 of the regulative gatekeepers who've managed what you can 1559 01:43:32,940 --> 01:43:37,680 receive since notifications were invented. No agenda is lit by 1560 01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:42,180 pod ping on hive. Now if I if I were to tweet that out for the 1561 01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:46,470 next two months I'll be defending hive hate you're gonna 1562 01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:50,760 get get hate. Get hate. And I love pod ping 1563 01:43:51,450 --> 01:43:53,130 It's unreal. tweetable it's 1564 01:43:54,479 --> 01:44:01,409 it's not appropriate. Just put it in our show notes though. Put 1565 01:44:01,409 --> 01:44:01,529 it in 1566 01:44:01,530 --> 01:44:04,410 the show. By the way, Josh thank you for supporting pod paying 1567 01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:07,110 that's that's killer se se you're just cast things come 1568 01:44:07,110 --> 01:44:08,700 through. Yeah, 1569 01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:09,750 it is good. 1570 01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:16,409 Satoshi stream 5552 says go podcasting. 1571 01:44:16,649 --> 01:44:17,909 Thanks for Toshi strange 1572 01:44:19,710 --> 01:44:24,810 guy and Blog Post this week. Yeah, there's a merry Oscar with 1573 01:44:24,810 --> 01:44:32,580 another DAP. Sir Spencer 12345 12 That's 345 SAS through 1574 01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:35,610 fountaining says excited to hear about the medium tag in point 1575 01:44:35,610 --> 01:44:36,450 progress. 1576 01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:40,620 Okay. All right. Thank you very much for Spencer. Yeah, I'd 1577 01:44:40,620 --> 01:44:44,310 like to get a little further before we get dig into it. I've 1578 01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:49,920 got just scratching the surface, flooding and slips 4000 sets and 1579 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,450 he says set vertising podcasting for value podcast one idiots 1580 01:44:54,450 --> 01:44:56,700 attempt at starting a value for value podcast. 1581 01:44:58,830 --> 01:45:01,800 Advertising Advertising. I like that and 1582 01:45:01,860 --> 01:45:06,480 the delimiter, comic strip blogger 15,033 SAS and he says, 1583 01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:13,230 Sorry. Yeah. How do you even Adam? Are you being infiltrated 1584 01:45:13,230 --> 01:45:17,010 or manipulated by Russian agents? They have a hidden 1585 01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:17,910 agenda. You know? 1586 01:45:19,260 --> 01:45:22,830 We were talking to the Chinese Communist Party agent right now. 1587 01:45:22,860 --> 01:45:25,650 I mean, come on. We got Josh here. Who needs the Russians? We 1588 01:45:25,650 --> 01:45:28,920 got the Chinese in here, man. He says, 1589 01:45:29,370 --> 01:45:35,190 anyways, I invite your audience to buy my NF TS at open c.io/csb 1590 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,690 He sell an NF Ts. 1591 01:45:38,670 --> 01:45:41,730 That gets into that. 1592 01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:47,400 You don't buy an SD SD, Josh. Right. You don't sell them 1593 01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,130 though. Do Hey, Don. Okay, good. 1594 01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:52,770 Okay, good. You can stay with us. We always had to kick you 1595 01:45:52,770 --> 01:45:53,130 out. 1596 01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:57,870 But we'll get both sides of that settled. He says anyway, I 1597 01:45:57,870 --> 01:46:03,030 invite your audience to buy my NF T's at open c.io/csb Thanks 1598 01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:07,110 to help from Roger roundy I've already sold six NF T's to five 1599 01:46:07,110 --> 01:46:08,010 owners. Yo, 1600 01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:11,820 wow. Very cool. Oh, we're happy to hear that. 1601 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,460 Yeah, I expect that set donation to go up there. 1602 01:46:16,109 --> 01:46:17,189 Should be increasing. 1603 01:46:18,450 --> 01:46:23,190 Monthly. You guys monthly pay pals. We get who we who we get 1604 01:46:23,190 --> 01:46:26,250 here. Oh pod verse 50 bucks. Thank you. Pod verse. You pod 1605 01:46:26,250 --> 01:46:30,780 verse. Cameron. Rose. $25. David, meet us. $10. Mitch 1606 01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:36,390 Downey $10 Thank you, Mitch. Christopher. Horrible, Eric. I'm 1607 01:46:36,420 --> 01:46:37,680 nailing that name now. 1608 01:46:37,710 --> 01:46:38,910 condors. Yeah. 1609 01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:43,560 David Mitas already said David listed fun fact. Friday. That's 1610 01:46:43,860 --> 01:46:48,000 David's show. And Jeremy knew $5 Joseph maraca $5 and Boris 1611 01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:49,500 because it'll ski $1. 1612 01:46:51,090 --> 01:46:56,160 Only we could do something with RSS to to have some kind of 1613 01:46:56,160 --> 01:47:01,890 interactivity with our audience. I mean, our fans? Yeah. And 1614 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,790 could that be monetized? Or is that only the only monetized 1615 01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:08,400 like Spotify does q&a and polls? 1616 01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:12,600 Polls? Yeah, we just we just have a distinct lack of poll 1617 01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:13,080 juice. 1618 01:47:15,570 --> 01:47:20,040 Josh, thank you so much for joining us today. I was just 1619 01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,760 joking earlier. Were you born in China? Are you just are you? 1620 01:47:24,450 --> 01:47:26,100 Okay, so when did you come to America? 1621 01:47:27,390 --> 01:47:31,140 I can 17 So when I come here for college? 1622 01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,580 Oh, good. All right. And you decided to stick around? 1623 01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:40,889 Yes. Much better? Well, you anytime it follows you better. 1624 01:47:42,210 --> 01:47:48,750 Although not much. I hear. You need to come to Texas, man. Come 1625 01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:52,500 on, hang out here you'd like to hear? I'll bet I'll bet you I 1626 01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:55,560 will bet you that Texans and Chinese have a lot more in 1627 01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:59,820 common than people think. I really do. I bet you I bet you 1628 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,690 bet you like land. Or Josh, are 1629 01:48:03,690 --> 01:48:07,980 you going to do you go to the podcast? conferences at all? 1630 01:48:07,980 --> 01:48:10,020 Will you be going to Podcast Movement in Dallas? 1631 01:48:10,710 --> 01:48:16,230 No. And I'm fine with it. Not not me. I'm gonna call it and 1632 01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,240 and yeah, 1633 01:48:19,019 --> 01:48:22,139 I gotcha. I gotcha. Well, if he ever had just, I just want to 1634 01:48:22,139 --> 01:48:24,029 shake your hand and buy you a beer? 1635 01:48:24,630 --> 01:48:27,090 Yeah. So maybe next year, hopefully. 1636 01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,009 Yeah. Excellent, excellent. 1637 01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:34,230 Josh is just cast, you can find that at just cast.com. It's 1638 01:48:34,230 --> 01:48:36,810 definitely worth checking out. That's been look at the two 1639 01:48:36,810 --> 01:48:39,810 videos on how it works. It's it's fun. It's fun to see this 1640 01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:42,750 very, very different type of approach. And I really enjoy 1641 01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:45,990 that. Thank you so much, Josh. Really, really appreciate me. 1642 01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:50,100 Course. Thank you. And thanks to everybody who has supported the 1643 01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:56,160 project value for value is what keeps us going. And we 1644 01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,280 definitely see people carrying about the you know, maybe 1645 01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,830 everyone should just stop for a second. Tina actually said this 1646 01:49:01,830 --> 01:49:06,090 to me today. And I pass it on to Dave, just look at what we've 1647 01:49:06,150 --> 01:49:09,780 achieved in less than two years. We're coming up on episode 100. 1648 01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:13,260 We're coming up on two years. And that's crazy. And look at 1649 01:49:13,260 --> 01:49:17,880 what everybody has has achieved. Just look at it. And it goes 1650 01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:26,190 beyond apps and and services. We have friendships. We really do. 1651 01:49:26,190 --> 01:49:28,560 And these friendships these are the people who are in these 1652 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,970 trenches now. He's gonna be gone for a long long time. Yeah, 1653 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,850 yeah. Just look at all the people we know from 20 years 1654 01:49:35,850 --> 01:49:38,190 ago, you know when we started that outdated shit 1655 01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,150 Yeah, exactly. Just stop you know look at what happens when 1656 01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:47,580 you stop using old outdated technology. Yeah, you get 1657 01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:51,360 friends? No, I tend to think of I think I said this to you this 1658 01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,830 morning. I tend to get trapped in the PLA that's to myself the 1659 01:49:56,010 --> 01:49:58,890 What have you done for me lately? No idea where it's like 1660 01:49:58,890 --> 01:50:02,850 you know is like if you're Not just pouring out and ripping out 1661 01:50:02,850 --> 01:50:06,780 new stuff all the time, then you know, then you're just locked 1662 01:50:06,780 --> 01:50:11,280 down or you're stuck slacker. Then you look back on and you're 1663 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,130 like, Oh my God. I mean, the volume of stuff that does come 1664 01:50:14,130 --> 01:50:16,260 out of this project in such a short amount of time is 1665 01:50:16,260 --> 01:50:17,310 incorrect. I'm going to wager 1666 01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:20,250 you, yourself have probably written over 100,000 lines of 1667 01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:24,840 code. For this project, I bet you're damn close. 1668 01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,500 Now, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised. 1669 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,240 Danis nice looking code to 1670 01:50:30,930 --> 01:50:34,200 know how to wouldn't go that. Josh? 1671 01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:39,150 I know. My see. You Oh, we 1672 01:50:39,150 --> 01:50:40,350 all right. Szybko, don't we? 1673 01:50:41,670 --> 01:50:43,830 All right. I don't know he'll but I'm sure I left. 1674 01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:49,140 Thanks, everybody who tuned in for the lit version of the show. 1675 01:50:49,140 --> 01:50:52,080 Thank you all very much podcast. index.org. Josh, thank you 1676 01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:55,860 again. Dave. My brother. Thank you. And everybody have a great 1677 01:50:55,860 --> 01:50:56,370 weekend. 1678 01:50:57,180 --> 01:50:59,100 So you guys by Josh? 1679 01:51:00,930 --> 01:51:06,540 No, he didn't say goodbye. He just hung up. I think he took it 1680 01:51:06,540 --> 01:51:10,740 as instructions. Everybody, we'll be back next Friday with 1681 01:51:10,740 --> 01:51:12,450 more podcasting 2.0. 1682 01:51:27,660 --> 01:51:32,220 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1683 01:51:32,220 --> 01:51:34,860 index.org For more information 1684 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:48,630 or falling down, 1685 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,050 tripped over my scissors. They were in the floor.