Episode 90: J and K

1 00:00:00,570 --> 00:00:06,900 podcasting 2.0 for June 17 2020 to Episode 90, it's the J and K. 2 00:00:09,570 --> 00:00:13,620 Do we all have our scissors? Are you ready, start running time 3 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,590 for the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything 4 00:00:16,590 --> 00:00:19,890 happening with Well, of course, podcasting 2.0 the podcast 5 00:00:19,890 --> 00:00:24,000 index.org The newest and latest developments in the podcast 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,220 standards, the namespace and of course, everything we're 7 00:00:26,220 --> 00:00:30,750 discussing over at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here 8 00:00:30,750 --> 00:00:33,960 in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. He's the 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,110 postman for your API endpoint ladies and gentlemen, say hello 10 00:00:37,110 --> 00:00:40,260 to my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:48,360 So my strategy should have been in 2020, long about long about 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:55,560 June of 2020. I should have bought like 455 gallon drums and 13 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,500 just filled them to the top with get with gasoline. 14 00:00:58,650 --> 00:01:01,980 Oh, yes. It's called the Alabama strategic reserve. 15 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:08,850 ASR Yes, I should have replenished the ASR at at low 16 00:01:08,850 --> 00:01:11,340 prices so that I would not be feeling the pain. 17 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:14,940 What today what is your what is your truck get? What is your 18 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:18,030 mile per gallon on on your classic Ford pickup? 19 00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:22,440 It's not bad. No, it's not bad at all. It's where I'm cruising. 20 00:01:22,470 --> 00:01:27,360 15 to 17 miles per gallon 1570 21 00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:30,030 Is that bad? I get 30 in my car. 22 00:01:31,230 --> 00:01:35,760 Miss show off. Its fist 15 to 17 23 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:40,110 modern car you know modern computer controlled injection 24 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:43,230 and everything. So it's it's ultimately tuned by the fine 25 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:46,230 folks at Mercedes Benz around town. 26 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:49,350 1570. On the highway, I get a little bit hard, but it's a six 27 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:52,230 cylinder so it's not too bad. Now the one the one that's bad. 28 00:01:52,230 --> 00:02:03,510 So we we recently got another we got a 1967 F 100. We we picked 29 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:07,350 that one up off Facebook marketplace. And now that one 30 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:12,720 has a 460 in it in the four barrel. It's like 10 miles to 31 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,320 the gallon. You know, I guess spending most of his time 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,730 sitting on the curb. I got 33 00:02:17,730 --> 00:02:24,630 my e 300. Almost four years three years ago now. And it has 34 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:28,800 all the stylings of the like the AMG kind of subtle but really 35 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,730 hot car. But under the under the hood, you know, it's the E it's 36 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:39,390 not the actual AMG. It's a two liter nine speed engine. And I 37 00:02:39,390 --> 00:02:42,060 think it's I think it's four cylinder. 38 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,370 But the man doesn't speech. 39 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:48,750 But those guys they've tuned that stuff. It's unbelievable. 40 00:02:49,110 --> 00:02:50,610 How much power they get out of it. 41 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:55,170 I mean, that's the whole thing now is small small block big, 42 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:58,440 big turbo. Yeah. Yeah, I'm assuming Yes. 43 00:02:58,530 --> 00:03:02,190 No, of course of course. But I think it's the the nine speeds 44 00:03:02,190 --> 00:03:05,430 that really does it. I mean, you just pop out. Pew pew pew pew 45 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:06,180 pew fifth. 46 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:12,420 Yeah. Like that's that. So I've rebuilt and rebuilt an automatic 47 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:19,260 transmission before. And it is so much the one I rebuilt was a 48 00:03:19,260 --> 00:03:25,020 nanny for four hours and DW says it for transmission rebuilt it 49 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,030 in my kitchen. And the way that you pull it apart and all the 50 00:03:30,150 --> 00:03:34,140 clutch packs and everything. They're all pretty beefy, decent 51 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:37,650 size. You know, once you get into like a nine speed 10 Speed. 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,100 Yeah, I mean, those those clutch, this clutch packs are so 53 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:45,750 small, that in thin that it doesn't take hardly anything to 54 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:48,120 just blow one of those things. Yeah, yeah. 55 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,230 Yeah, the show was lit once again. We've been experimenting 56 00:03:52,230 --> 00:03:55,680 for the past couple a couple of weeks with the live item tag the 57 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,310 which contracts the acronym lit. I think now, I did it yesterday 58 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:05,550 on no agenda, although the pod verse signal did not go off, 59 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:09,150 which I presume is the caching issue that is on my end, right. 60 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,870 Yeah, that's right. Because what part of this CDN issue 61 00:04:12,899 --> 00:04:16,289 Yeah, so I think what happened so pod verse receives the pod 62 00:04:16,289 --> 00:04:19,559 ping that the show is lit but it parses the feed can't find it 63 00:04:19,559 --> 00:04:22,799 because of the cache and then gives up is that the idea? Is 64 00:04:23,189 --> 00:04:24,149 that what's happening 65 00:04:24,780 --> 00:04:29,010 is the feed is always the source of truth Yeah, in apps 66 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,280 appropriately as they should they see the pod and a lot of 67 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:36,030 piping come through and then they go and they parse the XML 68 00:04:36,030 --> 00:04:39,180 to make sure that it matches you know, instead of some buddy 69 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:43,590 can't just spam a bunch of live tags right or live in then they 70 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:46,080 go matched up so okay, this this thing actually have a live item 71 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,140 and if it does, is it this is the status live, right, if all 72 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:51,870 that matches up, and it all checks out? Denison's 73 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:56,460 notifications, okay, but since yours is cached, it's just it's 74 00:04:56,460 --> 00:05:01,740 taking a long time to update. Yeah. Oh, And I honestly, I'm 75 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,340 not exactly sure how to fix that. 76 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:09,570 Well, I know Mitch was working on some cache busting URL 77 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:12,870 extensions, which I don't know if I guess it didn't work. 78 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:20,460 No, it didn't it can't I mean, caching. You could just when it 79 00:05:20,460 --> 00:05:23,460 comes to caching, I mean, you, you could say something like, 80 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:29,520 we're not going to look at anything. You could say, we're 81 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,480 not going to look at any HTTP headers, we're not going to look 82 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:39,660 at any URL parameters. All we're gonna do is look at just this 83 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:47,190 resource. And the only the so for, for the non technical. It'd 84 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:54,420 be like, https colon slash slash, no agenda stream, or I 85 00:05:54,420 --> 00:06:00,480 don't even know what the urls.com/feed.xml So that would 86 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,820 be your fault. That's the file that you're downloading. Right? 87 00:06:02,850 --> 00:06:07,020 That's the that's the feed file, then you could you could say, it 88 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:09,240 doesn't matter what the headers are this I'm talking about as 89 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,210 the cat. Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. You can say I don't 90 00:06:12,210 --> 00:06:15,240 care what the what anything else you send me you could put in a 91 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,870 question mark some URL parameter on the end of it, or you could 92 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:21,660 send some e Tag headers, or last modified or anything like that, 93 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:24,780 you could say, as the cache, I'm gonna ignore all that. Right, 94 00:06:24,810 --> 00:06:28,740 I'm just gonna give you back the changes when I want you to, 95 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,700 which I think 96 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:33,540 is how the CDM s is acting. I think that's what's happening. I 97 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:36,690 don't care what you're doing with your dangling things there. 98 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:38,730 Your question mark dangles, 99 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:42,390 sometimes you don't want people busting the cache, because it's 100 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:47,670 so critical that it not go over bandwidth concerns that you just 101 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,580 say, Look, I'm gonna give it to you when I want you to have it. 102 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:54,690 And you can't tell me anything else. Yeah. I think that's 103 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:55,620 what's happening. And yeah, 104 00:06:55,650 --> 00:07:00,090 well, I'm I'm a unique situation. Currently, you're 105 00:07:00,090 --> 00:07:00,720 always a unique. 106 00:07:01,950 --> 00:07:05,310 But this for podcasting. 2.0 works really well. And that's 107 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:08,850 just send a server clickety. Click boom, it's working. Love 108 00:07:08,850 --> 00:07:09,240 it. Yeah. 109 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:16,530 Yeah, we have so weird, the way ours is set is that we're doing 110 00:07:16,530 --> 00:07:23,010 it through Cloudflare. With with object storage on the back end. 111 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,870 So Cloudflare Cloudflare can obviously handle that load, they 112 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:37,260 can handle these spikes. Your your CDN is using, I think, a 113 00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:42,210 local caching server, and is probably theirs, that's probably 114 00:07:42,210 --> 00:07:45,360 self defense, I would have to imagine for that caching server, 115 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:47,640 because it just can't handle that. 116 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:51,600 Well. There's also a propagation issue with my CDN, because it's 117 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,800 homebaked. So I upload it to one server, it has to be uploaded to 118 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,770 the other three. Now, that takes a little bit of time. 119 00:07:59,309 --> 00:08:03,119 Oh, okay. So this is a new information. So you see, there's 120 00:08:03,119 --> 00:08:05,579 like a load balancer in front of it or something? Yeah, 121 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:10,410 well, I get an email that says, Okay, this is what I do. I drop 122 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:14,250 it into my FTP client uploads, and then I wait, and I get an 123 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:17,190 email that says, Okay, this is the resource, and it'll show me 124 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,560 all the machines that it was copied to, if there were any 125 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,810 errors, it of course, it tells me there's an error right up 126 00:08:21,810 --> 00:08:26,160 front, but there isn't, it tells me the file name. And, and then 127 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:30,960 theoretically, it's good to go. But in practice, it still takes 128 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:34,680 anywhere from because I see it with the hyper capture, when, 129 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:41,190 when I go to do the set up the default chapter mark, which is 130 00:08:41,190 --> 00:08:43,380 kind of important because a couple apps out there if you 131 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:48,840 have a link to a chapter json file resource in your RSS feed, 132 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:52,860 but there's nothing there. Then one of the apps was breaking. I 133 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:56,040 can't remember which one it was. There was like actually 134 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,660 crashing, crashing. So I just thought, well, it's just a good 135 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:02,670 idea to have that in there. And I can always put a little 136 00:09:02,670 --> 00:09:06,000 message you know, hey, dribs coming, you know, the Bruce 137 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,030 Wayne of podcasting. 2.0 will have the chapters ready soon. 138 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,140 But but when I go into hyper capture, I have to kind of sit 139 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:17,580 there and refresh for anywhere from 30 seconds to five minutes 140 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:23,220 before hyper capture can pull it up. Okay, so yeah, it's 141 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:24,720 that that's, that's consistent. 142 00:09:24,990 --> 00:09:28,920 Okay. I'm fine. Like, this is not fun. These scissors are no 143 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,180 good. They're not sharp. 144 00:09:30,659 --> 00:09:31,859 It's bogus, scissors. 145 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:33,780 Scissors are not happening. 146 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:38,070 Yeah, that's consistent with what we've seen before with your 147 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:42,780 feed. Now, you know what, like back? What was it? We kept? It 148 00:09:42,780 --> 00:09:48,210 kept dropping his credit was the initial pod pain. It was when we 149 00:09:48,210 --> 00:09:51,450 first rolled out pod ping. Things weren't going through, 150 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,320 right, right. 151 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:56,880 webs. That's what it was webs. Because you kept sending things 152 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,300 you're like it's not updating. But it's because the XML is Some 153 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:04,710 wasn't there yet. So what I mean, if it's a propagation 154 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:08,910 issue on the backside, I think it's both. Yeah. Okay. 155 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:12,030 Well, we'll figure it out one way 156 00:10:12,029 --> 00:10:15,209 or the other the only guy that knows his voice. I have you 157 00:10:15,209 --> 00:10:17,639 talked to him? I have not yet. 158 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,330 I have two clips I'd like to play at the top of the show. 159 00:10:21,870 --> 00:10:27,930 Well, yes, yes. Yes to exemplify what what I feel we're doing 160 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,430 with the considering the original mission of podcasting 161 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:37,530 2.0. I think we're right on track. And here are the two 162 00:10:37,530 --> 00:10:42,990 reasons why. One is, of course, we want to protect podcasting 163 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:47,160 and podcasters and protect their freedom of speech, within the 164 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:51,660 legality of of any laws, of course, which we've discussed 165 00:10:51,690 --> 00:10:54,450 quite openly here many times. But in general, if you want the 166 00:10:54,450 --> 00:11:01,410 x 22 report, hey, yeah. This is central western bank news. So if 167 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:04,530 you want to hear that, then you can get it on a podcast and 2.0 168 00:11:04,530 --> 00:11:11,070 app. As you know, part of this project was the foresight that 169 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,520 there's going to be censorship and this censorship is going to 170 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,070 be for all kinds of reasons. And in the past two years, we've 171 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:24,300 seen it mainly for medical procedures and medication people 172 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:29,340 have been D platformed. told to shut up told to go away D 173 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:34,110 monetize the YouTube, certainly quite quite active in that 174 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:42,240 regard. And now we are in an energy crisis. energy crisis 175 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,720 now, the origins of it, you can debate and that's the point you 176 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:51,420 should be able to debate and to debate it. But you, most people, 177 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:54,810 I think, have probably seen the means that we briefly had a 178 00:11:54,810 --> 00:11:57,660 director or Executive Director of something called the 179 00:11:57,660 --> 00:12:03,330 disinformation governance board in the United States. As scary. 180 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:06,900 Still a great title. Yeah, well, believe me this thing didn't go 181 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,290 away. The thing is not gone as a part of Department of Homeland 182 00:12:10,290 --> 00:12:13,080 Security, Michael Chertoff, the Chertoff Group, they're the ones 183 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,620 that are mentoring this and that guy, you know, you go look at 184 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:19,560 any of the full body scanners in the airport, that's the guy who 185 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:24,600 put them there. And some whistleblower came forward and 186 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,260 said, hey, you know, these guys were ready to operationalize 187 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:34,500 their relationship. And this is apparently where Nina Yang 188 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:40,020 covets comes in. She's good friends with several high up 189 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:48,780 executives at Twitter, just to name one. And the idea is if 190 00:12:48,780 --> 00:12:53,130 there's something going on in on a social network that goes 191 00:12:53,130 --> 00:12:57,090 against the government mandate narrative, you know, pick 192 00:12:57,090 --> 00:13:00,570 whatever you want, then they will contact the social media 193 00:13:00,570 --> 00:13:03,780 companies in the social media companies will then do something 194 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:09,780 about it. That's basically called censorship. But it was 195 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:13,590 all a little bit under the radar. And, you know, this blew 196 00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:16,170 up in everyone's face. Again, it's not gone. But here's our 197 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:19,920 energy secretary, Gina McCarthy, talking about this very topic. 198 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:23,400 And so the challenge is now that we're moving from denial, to 199 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:29,160 actually just trying to, to disengage the public from 200 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:33,630 understanding the values of solar energy, the values of wind 201 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:37,530 energy, the benefits of clean energy, we have to get tighter, 202 00:13:37,740 --> 00:13:41,580 we have to get better at communicating. And frankly, the 203 00:13:41,580 --> 00:13:46,200 tech companies have to stop allowing specific individuals 204 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:50,340 over and over again to spread this information. That's what 205 00:13:50,340 --> 00:13:54,180 the fossil fuel companies pay for that's what folks who make 206 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:58,890 money out of fossil fuels in don't make money it's been don't 207 00:13:58,890 --> 00:14:03,300 care about saving consumers costs. That's what they do. We 208 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:06,090 have to be smarter than that. And we need the tech companies 209 00:14:06,270 --> 00:14:07,500 to really jump in. 210 00:14:08,610 --> 00:14:12,000 So they have not they've not forgotten about the tech 211 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,220 companies who they need to really jump in whether they have 212 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:17,940 a disinformation governance board or not. Yeah, and the 213 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,100 Cavalier ness of which she speaks 214 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,330 like like it's just no big deal like it's just it's just spot 215 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:26,160 isn't we need to do it the sciences 216 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,629 in the people are too stupid. You don't understand how great 217 00:14:30,629 --> 00:14:36,929 solar and wind is. So therefore no discussion. So, yes, 218 00:14:37,529 --> 00:14:39,029 I've got a I've got a clip 219 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:41,220 groobie 220 00:14:42,059 --> 00:14:45,419 the play? What if the people are stupid? 221 00:14:47,130 --> 00:14:50,460 And faced by the horror in the Balkans, President Clinton's 222 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:54,000 representative called Richard Holbrook brought the question 223 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:59,130 out into the open. Suppose elections are free and fair, he 224 00:14:59,130 --> 00:15:04,230 said And those elected are racist fascists, separatists. 225 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,300 That is the dilemma 226 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:17,040 an American political scientist could Fareed Zakaria put it more 227 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,990 bluntly. The people we are told, he said, are the most important. 228 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:26,850 We are driven by the phrase, the American people are not stupid. 229 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:29,010 But what if they are? 230 00:15:30,179 --> 00:15:34,229 So yeah, Fareed Zakaria, the anti constitutionalist, dude 231 00:15:34,289 --> 00:15:38,999 from CNN, hey, Phoebe, Camilla. She doesn't see she hears his 232 00:15:39,029 --> 00:15:42,659 dog or she hears Fareed Zakaria. She's like bark bark. Hear me 233 00:15:42,659 --> 00:15:43,649 girls. Okay. You're good. 234 00:15:44,669 --> 00:15:46,589 I mean, that's, that's the 235 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:49,950 whole The whole point is if if the people are stupid, and the 236 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,860 people like stupid people, that's our own stupid mistake to 237 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:56,520 make. That's what America is built on. Yep. 238 00:15:57,090 --> 00:16:00,930 And also, it also reveals a way that a way that a certain class 239 00:16:00,930 --> 00:16:05,490 of people are thinking about demand out the rest of us. 240 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:09,389 Yes. And it's whatever you do, but don't have any Converse? 241 00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:12,719 Well, I think there's a difference between stupid and 242 00:16:12,719 --> 00:16:16,169 dumb. I believe they meant to say the American people are 243 00:16:16,169 --> 00:16:20,279 dumb, because people like Fareed Zakaria are stupid. He's not. 244 00:16:20,609 --> 00:16:25,289 He's very intelligent, obviously. But he's stupid. And 245 00:16:25,289 --> 00:16:29,219 there's a lot of this on display right now a lot of things like 246 00:16:29,249 --> 00:16:33,509 Do you not see the complete contradiction that you have? The 247 00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:38,189 statement you're making is you can just turn on the TV. Anyway, 248 00:16:39,149 --> 00:16:42,479 the idea that you can't discuss these things, like, you know, 249 00:16:42,509 --> 00:16:46,049 and I can see where people get really uptight, over vaccines or 250 00:16:46,049 --> 00:16:50,039 mandates, and you know, this, oh, my goodness, yeah. Why is 251 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:54,209 this even a discussion? You know, are we allowed to, I 252 00:16:54,209 --> 00:16:58,139 guess, the New York Times has made us allowed to talk about 253 00:16:58,139 --> 00:17:01,079 our president and that he clearly is unfit for office, you 254 00:17:01,079 --> 00:17:04,589 know, so, the go ahead has been given for that. But when it 255 00:17:04,589 --> 00:17:09,179 comes to any discussion, and this is how it goes, we've, 256 00:17:09,299 --> 00:17:11,729 we've seen what happens like, you gotta label click, you're 257 00:17:11,729 --> 00:17:15,179 done. You don't surface you're taken off, because you had the 258 00:17:15,179 --> 00:17:19,499 audacity to talk about nuclear. Yeah, you know, stuff like that. 259 00:17:19,499 --> 00:17:25,349 So I feel that mission is well accomplished, I'm very proud of 260 00:17:25,349 --> 00:17:29,099 the work that everybody's done. Of the size of, of the 261 00:17:29,099 --> 00:17:34,679 collection of the cleanliness of the data that we have, and the 262 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:39,629 access to it. And this This is truly, truly revolutionary. What 263 00:17:39,629 --> 00:17:42,599 we and I mean it in the real sense of the word revolutionary, 264 00:17:43,289 --> 00:17:45,869 is revolution revolutionaries usually don't get money from oil 265 00:17:45,869 --> 00:17:46,529 companies. 266 00:17:48,690 --> 00:17:49,740 I haven't got my check yet. 267 00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:53,459 I did go to the to the to the mailbox before I started the 268 00:17:53,459 --> 00:17:55,019 show, just in case but no. 269 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:59,700 Safety Check. Yeah. Well, I mean, good. You know, Google, we 270 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:02,550 see we see what happens with with censorship anyway, even on 271 00:18:02,550 --> 00:18:05,670 a technical level, with the stuff this week of Google 272 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,460 censoring the word censoring podcasts with the word lesbian 273 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:09,570 in it, you know, I 274 00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:13,740 that's interesting. You bring that up, because, in a rare 275 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:16,530 moment, I played this clip on no agenda. 276 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:21,300 during pride month, Google podcasts is blocking and hiding 277 00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:24,630 some podcast episodes apparently because they use the word 278 00:18:24,810 --> 00:18:29,670 lesbian RPG roams apparel and glories during the 13th episode 279 00:18:29,670 --> 00:18:33,000 visible everywhere else isn't available on Google podcasts in 280 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,490 the US, UK or Australia, even to logged in over 18 users. The 281 00:18:38,490 --> 00:18:41,850 podcast creators say there's nothing adult in this episode at 282 00:18:41,850 --> 00:18:42,240 all. 283 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480 No, I think I have a different take on this than then James or 284 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,320 maybe even you. 285 00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:50,880 I'll tell you mathematics really simple. My take my take is just 286 00:18:50,910 --> 00:18:54,480 I told you so. I mean, like, I think I've been saying from the 287 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,990 very beginning. Yes. That No. Any any of this when you empower 288 00:19:00,990 --> 00:19:05,010 censorship? Yep. And it's going according to your plan, 289 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:08,820 everything is fine, everything's great. But as soon as it swings 290 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:11,640 the other way and goes and now I feel like this is clearly a 291 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,350 mistake. That mistake on their part but the once it starts to 292 00:19:16,350 --> 00:19:20,430 swing the other way, you've just get you willingly gave the tools 293 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:22,950 to the people to do the thing that's now going to bite you in 294 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:23,220 the butt. 295 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,300 Yeah, my take is somewhat different. It is it is also an I 296 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:30,150 told you so. But I already 297 00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:31,200 pre approval of it. 298 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,760 You know, I've studied the LGBTQ q ia P k plus community as a 299 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:45,240 narrative since its inception. It started as G L. This is where 300 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:52,350 the GLA D comes from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance. alliance 301 00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:55,350 against anti defamation defamation 302 00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:59,970 Yeah, but it's always G L and then we got G lb. Gay Lesbian. 303 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,290 bisexual. This goes back a few years, I know I date myself. And 304 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:08,220 then we had a switcheroo. It became LGB. And the lesbians 305 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:11,880 moved to the front of the line. And this was the beginning of 306 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,730 the breakup of something that never existed, which is this 307 00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:20,460 fallacy and, and I accused all all reporters and journalists 308 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:24,420 and talking heads of doing this. Just like there is no black and 309 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:28,650 brown community. It's not a community. In fact, those two 310 00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:36,030 can be polar up opposite often. There's also no LGBTQI community 311 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:43,440 and to show you that that's true. The there's enormous hate 312 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,190 against gay men right now. And in fact, the problem with gay 313 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:52,800 men is their men that they have toxic masculinity certainly, you 314 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,850 know, the kind of the beef the beefy gay guys, and they in 315 00:20:56,850 --> 00:20:59,550 fact, there's been many articles you can go take a look at it. 316 00:20:59,970 --> 00:21:03,720 There's now on all you have white gay privilege, white male 317 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,150 gay privilege. So the gays are being the gay men are being 318 00:21:06,150 --> 00:21:11,340 pushed out. Now the lesbians are also problematic, often known as 319 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:14,850 turfs. Because the lesbians are saying, well, a trans woman is 320 00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:18,240 not really a woman, you see the problem. So the lesbians are on 321 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,200 the way out. And the way this is being done, you see, okay, you 322 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,760 cannot have a property, immediate property or a program 323 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,970 or this is my opinion, I could be wrong. That does not 324 00:21:29,970 --> 00:21:34,380 recognize all the rainbow people. If it doesn't recognize 325 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:40,560 LGBTQI, at minimum, you can't just do something about else. So 326 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:44,250 yeah, I told you so is right, is for different reasons. I think 327 00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:47,580 Google is ultra woke. That's the problem. It's an ultra woke 328 00:21:47,580 --> 00:21:52,020 move, not a discriminatory move based against lesbians, per se. 329 00:21:52,350 --> 00:21:56,370 So you're saying it's a it's a the word, the word gay and the 330 00:21:56,370 --> 00:22:01,470 word lesbian are being those are being ousted? brought out? Yeah, 331 00:22:01,470 --> 00:22:04,020 those are being taken out. Indeed. So the only thing you're 332 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:08,730 allowed to use is the is the acronym LGBT. Okay. And you have 333 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:14,220 to add, yes, it's LGBTQ i plus. That's the official, the 334 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:17,430 official acronym, I believe that is shorting a lot of important 335 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:21,300 people. Yes. There's two b's. 336 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:25,950 That's possible. I never thought about it that way. It struck me 337 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:26,580 every possible 338 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,910 because Google's got woke people, you know, and they 339 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:33,030 wouldn't just discriminate. Now could also be a simple mistake. 340 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:36,660 But you're right, the tools are there, the tools get used. So 341 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:40,260 let's talk about these tools. This next clip is a little bit 342 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:43,470 shorter, even. It's part of a longer conversation, you know, 343 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,990 I'll see if I can find the link and put it in the show notes. 344 00:22:46,350 --> 00:22:50,970 Many people saw this but I think it was just beautiful. To see 345 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:54,330 that the system we have developed this value for value 346 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:58,380 streaming payment system that we have now incorporated into what 347 00:22:58,380 --> 00:23:02,520 do we have? Are there seven apps now that the can do this? thing? 348 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,140 So yeah. So I'm obviously I'm leaving other podcasts and to 349 00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:11,220 point us stuff out of it namespace just for, for 350 00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:15,030 clarification of us reaching these goals. I'm no I'm sure you 351 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:18,810 saw this is Marc Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz, big venture 352 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:20,040 capital company. 353 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,310 You got it. Okay. You get this clip, almost clipped it. And I 354 00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:27,270 know him 1993 I think it was I got an email. I was running 355 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:33,570 mtv.com with a gopher server. And it was, hey, it's Mark. He 356 00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:37,680 was at college, Champaign Urbana, Illinois. Hey said I've 357 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,670 got this, this thing. It's a mosaic. It's a browser. And you 358 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:46,770 need to set up an HTTP daemon daemon. And so am I headless son 359 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:49,290 three, I struggled through it got it set up, and it worked. 360 00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:53,640 And that was Netscape. And so that's when mtv.com was on the 361 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,890 web. Now we fast forward. What is it now? That 40 years? No. 362 00:23:59,850 --> 00:24:06,510 3030 years? 32,003? Yeah, 30 years, a lot. We have podcast in 363 00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:11,940 2.0, which is a, an open group and open project, anybody can 364 00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:15,480 join, anybody can participate. And because of the value for 365 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,720 value streaming payment system with the with the value block 366 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,940 splits, everybody can and usually does participate in the 367 00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:27,570 ecosystem, which was also one of the missions. The idea and this 368 00:24:27,570 --> 00:24:31,200 is before this magical thing came up called Web three. 369 00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:34,980 Because web three sounds an awful lot like it 370 00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:37,530 when I'm hoping and what we're actually seeking at the firm 371 00:24:37,530 --> 00:24:40,530 what we're trying very hard to find. I'm hoping for example, 372 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:43,110 for podcasts. I'm hoping five years from now, there will be 373 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:45,990 these thriving, you know, call it web three podcast 374 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:49,710 environments that will be open and will be you know, it will 375 00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:52,050 have this sort of anarchic, uncontrolled kind of element 376 00:24:52,050 --> 00:24:54,960 that I think that I think you and I both like, however, will 377 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,540 have a higher level of trust and will have a higher level of a 378 00:24:57,540 --> 00:25:00,660 monetary incentive an economic incentive. Then the open 379 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:02,820 networks of the past usually dead. And so there's this 380 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:05,370 there's this third way. And you know, this is still early, but 381 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:07,800 like we're quite optimistic that there might be a new way to 382 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,570 build these systems. And I'm excited to see what happens. 383 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,240 So it's a little anarchistic. It's a third way. Everybody 384 00:25:15,270 --> 00:25:18,300 profits from their own endeavors. It's more 385 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,250 distributed. Huh? What does this sound like to you, Dave? 386 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:26,820 I can't I mean, I'm racking my brain. I can't think of 387 00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:31,230 anything. That I mean, this must be something new that the 388 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:34,260 world's never seen before. Now, I can't say I can't think of a 389 00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:35,910 single thing that already does this. 390 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,050 So I think we can both say that we don't need to wait five 391 00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:45,120 years. It's here we're doing it. And with was it now? Well over 392 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:51,480 7000 podcast, using the value for value streaming payments and 393 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:53,940 booster grams and all that stuff? I think we're kind of 394 00:25:53,940 --> 00:25:57,720 their apps get paid. developers get a piece now. Is everybody 395 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,740 making bank? No, no. But there is something very important. 396 00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:03,660 Listen again to what he says in the beginning, 397 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:06,270 what I'm hoping and what we're actually seeking at the firm. 398 00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:07,440 What we're trying very hard to find 399 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,360 what we're trying very hard to fund. Well, I 400 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,650 think got a check on that either. 401 00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:17,310 No, although it makes me think you know, Dave, we should wrap 402 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:20,010 this whole thing up and sell it to Marc Andreessen. Everybody 403 00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:23,700 gets rich. Come on, why don't we sell the whole thing? 404 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:28,200 Everything? I'm just doing this obviously for effect. 405 00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:31,560 Yes, we I mean, we could have okay, we can probably well, we 406 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:31,740 could. 407 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:36,690 We could sell curio caster and breeze and fountain. And we 408 00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:41,280 could sell all the apps. Everyone gets a piece. Everyone 409 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,330 gets a million bucks. 410 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,460 We create an LLC that's got 150 people in it, but we have an 411 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:51,960 LLC. Okay, we're just expanding this one too, to encompass you. 412 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,970 No, no, no, we're just gonna have any five different 413 00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:54,480 developers. 414 00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:57,870 This package you're thinking all wrong. If we're gonna do the VC 415 00:26:57,870 --> 00:27:01,140 route. We're gonna do money. We take the money we tip everybody 416 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:01,710 else 417 00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,340 then go, yes. Everybody else gets tip. 418 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:12,300 That's right. It's time tipping came to podcasting. That's 419 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:12,750 right. 420 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:17,070 That's, that's the only way tipping gets onto your tongue is 421 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:20,940 in a gag like that. I know. It's it's fantastic. Now I love it. 422 00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:27,090 And now we just do a spec spec. Yeah, there you go. Man. Jason's 423 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:28,680 got a couple of specs up his sleeve. 424 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:33,240 Well, Steven Be the man behind curio caster says I'd sell out 425 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,650 in a heartbeat for a million bucks. All right, who else is 426 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:40,710 off? Hey, if you're all you're all up for up good for me, but 427 00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:43,530 but wait until we get that first board meeting, when they asked 428 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:47,340 you to bend over and shove your shares up your butt, and then do 429 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:51,360 a down round and then dilute you. 430 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,640 I'd rather be I'd rather be broke and own and own myself. 431 00:27:56,670 --> 00:27:59,340 That's right, brother, rich and have somebody else that 432 00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:06,570 is right. That is right. And we got to show 100 coming up, which 433 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,420 we'd like everybody to remember. And we'd like everybody to 434 00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:13,410 remember that we are not selling out to Vc. However, it would be 435 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:18,630 nice to in this low Bitcoin value environment to be YouTube 436 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:22,890 up your savage if possible, so that we can not dip into the 437 00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:24,660 reserves for paying for the bills. 438 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:31,770 Yeah. And speaking of that, by the way that I think I think 439 00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:35,400 you're exactly right on the on the word replacement thing. I 440 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800 think the more I think about that, I think that's that's 441 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,340 probably right, because I see, we see it visually you see it 442 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:44,430 visually. This is something that's been on my mind for a 443 00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:48,060 while. Do you like at this point, about two or three years 444 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:53,820 ago, I noticed that people started doing this. I think 445 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:58,140 YouTube was the first place I saw it where they started 446 00:28:58,140 --> 00:29:02,130 changing people's colors. So like when they would have their 447 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,520 artwork in within within the YouTube platform. It would be 448 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:12,180 these big, like androgynous people that were like blue and 449 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:14,850 purple and green. I missed 450 00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:18,240 this trend. Was this people the creators doing this or YouTube 451 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,750 doing this? 452 00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:21,570 No is YouTube's promotional graphics like their branding and 453 00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:27,570 stuff? Oh, creator, creator day and it would be like, a bunch of 454 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:31,860 nondescript these are. They're clearly meant to be humans. 455 00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:34,230 Yeah. But they're purple and blue and 456 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:38,520 we can't have any reality. Real colors. 457 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,990 I mean, like it's every day, it's like this attempt to just 458 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:49,620 rid rid all its brand safety taken to such an extreme that 459 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:52,920 they can't even acknowledge reality anymore, that they're 460 00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:56,580 that there are it's like, we're so afraid to offend somebody 461 00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:59,970 that we don't even want to show what people really look like. 462 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520 Yeah, and it's like the same thing with language. We're so 463 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,040 afraid to offend somebody, we don't even want to use real 464 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,950 words for people. Eventually, we're just gonna, you know, make 465 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:10,710 up whole new words for for people that just don't even 466 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:12,360 report to any reality. 467 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:14,940 I think we're well underway with 468 00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:17,340 actually, I'm not sure what I'm talking about. 469 00:30:17,730 --> 00:30:19,530 I think that's kind of happening. Yeah. 470 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:26,040 The cat but I think you're right with cat, you know, cast upon 471 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:30,840 their they're getting into hosting they have you seen that? 472 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:34,800 No, no, no, no. Yeah. And the last dev meeting, Benjamin 473 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,770 Bellamy was telling, saying that was I was asking him about pod 474 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:39,690 ping. And he was saying how they get they're getting into 475 00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:42,660 hosting. Because that's just like a natural thing. What 476 00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:47,520 somebody runs their own caster pod instance. The next thing 477 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,920 they want, you know, they gotta have a place to put their media. 478 00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:53,970 Right, right. Wow. So they're prepared to go into this 479 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,020 nightmare of a business. Evidently. Wow. Evidently, I 480 00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,810 mean, I told Steve and be like, do you like your life? He says, 481 00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:06,030 Yes. Don't become a hoster. Yeah, because it's not the 482 00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:10,110 technical issues. It's the customer support issues. Yeah, 483 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:14,040 you're the first line you're the first call people make when it's 484 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,210 not showing up on Apple. 485 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,790 And where's my life pod ping in pod verse. This the other call 486 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:21,150 you get 487 00:31:21,150 --> 00:31:26,730 so now Shep Oh, bah. I would say Benjamin because that's that's a 488 00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:27,810 tall order. All right. 489 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:31,530 I guess the reason I'm connecting noses I think the the 490 00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:37,590 ecosystem of decentralized podcasting is starting to like, 491 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:42,990 not only decentralize the the ecosystem of of decently I'll 492 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:50,010 say this, the answer is the Libra ethos, libre ethos. Yes, 493 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:54,720 the ad the pure pure libre ethos within podcasting is beginning 494 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,530 to take hold, so that people are beginning to want to own not 495 00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:04,680 just their brand, but their infrastructure is the thing that 496 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,290 Todd Cochran has always talked about, you know, own your own 497 00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:10,980 website. You own your domain, all that kind of stuff start 498 00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:13,080 that's where you start. And then you branch out from there as 499 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,020 he released the new media show where he's bitching about 500 00:32:16,050 --> 00:32:21,630 Spotify because I listened to that update. Yeah, Todd Cochran 501 00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:26,550 mad at someone about RSS is just it's good listening. Good 502 00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:27,780 listening entertainment. 503 00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:32,190 And it? Oh, no, I don't want to I don't want to jump gears 504 00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:33,720 before you're finished with your 505 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,380 Well, no, no, that was it. So I just wanted to say 506 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:40,680 congratulations, look at what you've achieved. We're not even 507 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680 at 100 episodes of this podcast and just turn around for a 508 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,950 second everybody take a look. Take a look. Take look down at 509 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:49,920 the ground liquid with your own shit that you've built. This is 510 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,040 stuff to be proud of man and you got guys out there saying you 511 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,590 know, Billy a billionaire with real money to back it up. Man 512 00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,440 five years I really hope we can get this done. We're desperately 513 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,890 trying to fund it. Look at where you are. Look at where you're 514 00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:05,910 kicking their ass. 515 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:08,580 It's right here. Mark You can have it for free. Yes, 516 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,780 exactly. Just it'd be nice if you donate it but yeah, have it 517 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:14,580 for free build an app there's a 518 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:19,800 thought hit up the Pay Pal Yeah, we're all good. That's right so 519 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:27,510 no on the on the podcast Libra Friday. No agenda to Alex has 520 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:28,200 been wrong. He's 521 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,710 kicking ass. I know. He's got all kinds of stuff he's got now 522 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,500 you can flip a switch and you can get your email show up in 523 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:39,300 the RSS feeds you can claim it in curio caster. All right. 524 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,490 Fountain and in the podcast wallet. Yep. Yeah, this 525 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:52,800 is so for people who don't know. No. Agenda tube is a is a I call 526 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,220 it a fork. I mean, I don't I guess it is a for kids. 527 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:59,010 If Alex, if Alex built it is probably a fork. 528 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,160 Yeah, I think I think I think it's fair to call it a fork at 529 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:10,050 this point where he has a took peer tube and just and forked it 530 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,230 and now he's been he's made a lot of changes to it to support 531 00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:20,400 podcasting 2.0 features. He runs it all himself on his own dime, 532 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,620 the video hosting service, but else but since it's part of peer 533 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,340 tube, it's got a lot of diff a lot of cool capabilities like 534 00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:36,240 webs, like like a peer to peer was like a web torrent. Yeah, 535 00:34:36,270 --> 00:34:39,690 yeah, web torrent. Yeah, web torrent HLS. And, yeah, a lot of 536 00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:42,540 that kind of stuff that makes bandwidth really 537 00:34:42,569 --> 00:34:45,029 which is important. Important. People implement that if at all 538 00:34:45,029 --> 00:34:45,719 possible. 539 00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:51,719 Yeah. Steven bass. It is forking awesome Yes. That's it. So so he 540 00:34:51,749 --> 00:34:55,499 is he baking pot ping in there. 10 bucks as us. Oh, 541 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:59,940 yeah, he'll do. For sure. But so he's, here's some of the things 542 00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:05,340 you He's done lately. Is XMPP in the chat on live pay? 543 00:35:05,579 --> 00:35:08,879 Let's talk about that for a second. Okay. So that's 544 00:35:08,879 --> 00:35:13,469 something that fits with all validity into the social 545 00:35:13,469 --> 00:35:15,629 interact tag or is this different? 546 00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:24,150 Not yet, it will. There's no reason it can't. But is that 547 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:26,340 even the point? Is it a little? Is it a little different? 548 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:30,240 Because it's, it's chat. So it's chat. Is that the same as 549 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,050 comments? 550 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:35,340 No, it's it is the point. Yes. Well, I think I think he wants 551 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:40,230 to know, it's on the page first, but then you'll have then you'll 552 00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:43,590 have it in social interact tag may already be in the social 553 00:35:43,590 --> 00:35:47,280 interaction, really. And I need to check that. Let's see. Here's 554 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,690 his life cycle. See social interact. 555 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:55,350 There's got to live item in the feed when he hits go live, it 556 00:35:55,350 --> 00:36:00,660 flips to live item in the NA two rssb. That's actually 557 00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:04,260 yes. That's the next thing that he's added recently is live 558 00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:10,020 items. So now you can you can go live on no Jonah, no agenda Tube 559 00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:14,280 channel. And it'll put a live item in there. 560 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:19,020 On the show, yes. And no agenda. I know, I'm always I always have 561 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:22,230 a moment around the donation segment where I plug podcasting 562 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:24,330 2.0. And it's often it's like, oh, you can see all these 563 00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:27,570 images, Chapter images, but actually played some of this. 564 00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:31,500 And I, and I'm sure I told him before, but I said, you know, 565 00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:35,670 right now we're, we're live in all the podcast apps that that 566 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,550 can do it. And I explained what it was, he was like, Holy crap, 567 00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:42,780 really? He was surprised when I said, Yeah, you get a ping and 568 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,240 your podcast app, you click on it, open it up, you hear the 569 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:49,170 live stream, you got the chat right there. He's like, really? 570 00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:49,980 So yeah, 571 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:55,260 that's this is pretty awesome. Like, for him 572 00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:57,840 to say that that's a big, that's a big deal. Actually, it's a big 573 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,950 deal for him to say, that's 574 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:03,270 really, yeah, he's never impressed by anything. He's not. 575 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,280 So I've done it all, no agenda tube, and I cranked up the 576 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,210 channel and did the and did live. It works great. So the one 577 00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:17,940 thing that was lacking, though, is, is support, you know, in the 578 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:22,890 index, we weren't, we weren't consuming live item. Tags, 579 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:27,060 right. And, you know, I should probably go back again and say, 580 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:33,360 live items. So what a live item is, is, if you're familiar with 581 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,560 the way an RSS feed looks is you have every episode is is called 582 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:42,720 sit syntax wise in an RSS feed is called an item. And so it's 583 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,660 an item, and then all the information about the episode is 584 00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:49,350 in the item. So we just created in the podcast namespace, a 585 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:56,310 thing called Live item. And it lives in the RSS channel. So 586 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:59,040 it's appear, it's if you think about it that way, it's like a 587 00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:03,390 sibling of all the rest of the items. But because it's prefixed 588 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:07,260 with a namespace, podcast, colon live item, it can exist there 589 00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:14,280 and not violate RSS. And the apps and platforms that ingest 590 00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:19,440 the RSS feeds, they just don't even they don't see it. So it 591 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,260 doesn't mess anything up. They just read the items because 592 00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:27,720 they're there. If they're not ingesting the namespace yet, or 593 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,600 even if they are basically as long as they're not as long as 594 00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:34,200 they just do everything like they always have the existence 595 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,020 of another thing called something else at the channel 596 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:38,130 level doesn't miss anything. 597 00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:39,870 Well, it did with dog catcher. 598 00:38:40,829 --> 00:38:43,769 I still see I still don't think that I still think it's 599 00:38:43,769 --> 00:38:47,339 something else. I don't think it was purely the live item. Well, 600 00:38:47,339 --> 00:38:47,399 I 601 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,340 put the live out there put the live out in back into no agenda 602 00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:51,660 and it broke the app again. 603 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,790 When did you do that? 604 00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:58,710 So I got that report a week ago. And then I if you recall, and 605 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:01,710 then I took the live item out of the no agenda feed, then I got 606 00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:05,880 reports back. Oh, it's working again. And then I put it back in 607 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,210 for yesterday's show. And I get reports. Oh, it broke again, 608 00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:13,560 same error. It's something with dog catcher. I'm not I'm not 609 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,220 saying that. That. I think didn't I think we went through 610 00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:20,400 this. But the way we're doing it is valid. We got that we got 611 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,580 validation that from the XML gurus that this is okay. What 612 00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:26,760 we're doing. Yeah, from Baxter Yeah. But for some reason it's 613 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,780 breaking dogcatcher. And I said, Yeah, I'm sorry. We just have to 614 00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:32,910 break dogcatcher new podcast app.com. 615 00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:36,479 It's not like there's no other option. 616 00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:40,200 Well, people, you know, apps are very personal to people. 617 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,920 Now, I am not I don't want to like dismiss that. Because 618 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,530 you're right, that they are very personal. But But this, but you 619 00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:48,750 have to understand that I mean, this is an abandoned app. 620 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,140 There's no there hasn't been development on it since 2012. 621 00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:56,010 Yeah. Oh, really? I thought it was 2018 2012 longer than I 622 00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:57,120 realized. It. I 623 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,970 think that if my understanding is right in 2012 was last time 624 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,860 had an update, but who knows I could be wrong. Anyway, so that 625 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:12,720 that's buggy parsers aside, this, this all works. Fine. And 626 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,180 then dog catchers. The only thing we've seen this had a 627 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:20,370 hiccup. Yeah. Everything else was fine. So that's what we're 628 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560 that's what we're talking about. That's what enables all this 629 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,170 live stuff to happen? Well, the live items have been in the 630 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:31,290 feeds. And it's part of the namespace. It's official now, 631 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:34,170 they've been in the face for a while, but it's not been in API. 632 00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:38,550 So yes, yesterday, they before I worked on putting support for 633 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:40,170 live item into the index. 634 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,880 Now, how will that be used? 635 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,760 Well, that's part of the what I want to talk about, I want I 636 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,820 want to talk a little bit about here's, here's what I've done. 637 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:52,560 So far, I've added live items support to party time, which is 638 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,910 the the ingest or the parser. So it's picking it up in the feed, 639 00:40:56,910 --> 00:41:01,410 it's putting it into the database. And I have currently 640 00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:08,280 one endpoint that I just hastily made just to expose it just so 641 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,150 we can start playing with it. It's called slash API is an API 642 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:15,600 skull slash episodes slash live. So if you call that API 643 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,290 endpoint, you're going to list get a list of all the current 644 00:41:19,290 --> 00:41:20,670 live items. And it's 645 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,740 based upon a pod ping and a check against the feed. Now all 646 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:28,890 we do is check against the feed. Because we don't we don't have 647 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:32,760 to do it any other way. True. Because every time we get a 648 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,100 piping of any type, we always report. 649 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,750 Right, right. Right. 650 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,960 So that's the that's the way it exists right now. So my question 651 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,750 is, and then what I wanted to discuss was, how should the API 652 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,970 pay, like, give back this information? What? How, 653 00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:56,490 what is the expected end? Well, if you could have parameters, 654 00:41:56,490 --> 00:42:00,030 you'd like to know, a timeframe. And the way I would, as a 655 00:42:00,030 --> 00:42:03,720 developer, of course, is as developer, here's what I haven't 656 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,160 intensive that developers 657 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,390 and app developer. If someone you know, it could be something 658 00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:12,810 the app checks, you know, it was just a different way of of 659 00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:15,570 getting the pod ping information, I guess, you fire 660 00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:20,580 up the app here, the shows that are alive, you know. So would it 661 00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:25,020 make sense to say here's the default is here shows that have 662 00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,600 gone live in the last 30 minutes. And you can set it to 663 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:32,880 any, any timeframe back in time. Was that useless? Am I just 664 00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:34,860 talking about of my developer? But 665 00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:39,840 no, I mean, that the nature of the live items is once they're 666 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,720 ended, that they're, they're useless. So they're really only 667 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,570 so like, they don't become they don't have a state they don't 668 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:51,360 have any staying power within the feed. They're meant to be 669 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,010 ephemeral. So from that standpoint, I don't think a 670 00:42:56,010 --> 00:43:00,840 historical live items have any use at all. But what you're 671 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,250 saying about showing like upcoming ones pending ones with 672 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,640 you know, they're scheduled to go to certain time or ones that 673 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,270 are current. That makes sense. Yeah, I just think I'm thinking 674 00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:18,510 like curio caster shows. It has like, now Stephens got like, was 675 00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:22,290 a podcast and he's got music. You can choose back and forth. I 676 00:43:22,290 --> 00:43:25,140 wonder if there's that sort of thing. But for live like okay, I 677 00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:27,510 want to see all the shows that are currently live streaming 678 00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:28,230 right now. There's 679 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:30,810 a good reason for something like that. And I wanted to bring this 680 00:43:30,810 --> 00:43:36,750 up if you don't mind. Yep. This what we're doing here. The lit 681 00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:43,800 is incredibly cool for discovery. Because if you see 682 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,290 when I mean the power have never really observed this and, and a 683 00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,830 great a great example is earlier this week, I forget what day it 684 00:43:52,830 --> 00:43:59,400 was. Maybe it was was it Sunday, all of a sudden, I see all over 685 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,060 the place. I see there's a Twitter account, podcasting live 686 00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:09,330 I think it is it's the same for Mastodon to podcast, podcasting 687 00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:13,830 live is that it account for podcast live I think podcasts 688 00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:18,660 live podcast live. So I see behind the scheme's with threes 689 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:22,140 is live with Dave Jones. Yeah, it was Sunday after after no 690 00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:26,010 agenda. Cuz I knew that you were going to be on but I kind of 691 00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:28,980 forgotten about it. I see this pop up on my timeline. I'm like, 692 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:33,330 Oh, shoot. So I go into my app. Oh, I don't see it. Well, it's 693 00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:36,360 because I'm not subscribed. I go to you know, I do a quick 694 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,140 search. Bring it up. I listened. I boost a whole bunch of booster 695 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:44,070 grams to the show, which was fun. Yeah, this is a better 696 00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:52,740 guitar player. But I also subscribe to the show. Yeah, as 697 00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:57,690 a discovery mechanism, it's really cool. It really is 698 00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:00,960 exciting into you know, not not lot of people follow these 699 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,420 accounts yet, but you know, whenever I see it, I retweet it 700 00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:06,750 no matter what it is, this is a this is a real discovery 701 00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:11,670 mechanism. And in fact, I think, you know, there's reasons for 702 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:16,980 all kinds of pod ping bot accounts. If you know what I 703 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:21,300 mean. why would why wouldn't someone curate, you know, the 704 00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,690 top five tech shows and have a bot that let you know when when 705 00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:27,330 that when that tech show was either updated with a new 706 00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:32,820 podcast, or you know, or if they're live, 707 00:45:34,139 --> 00:45:39,779 it reminds me of what we were used to do with. With news 708 00:45:39,779 --> 00:45:42,779 rivers where you would you would spawn a like a category, like a 709 00:45:42,779 --> 00:45:46,019 news river that had a certain category of feeds in it. And you 710 00:45:46,019 --> 00:45:50,879 say, Okay, this, it would have its own, he would have his own 711 00:45:50,879 --> 00:45:53,309 page and everything like that. And it would only show you items 712 00:45:53,309 --> 00:45:57,719 from the OPML list that you've built for that thing is sort of 713 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,119 the same way you have bots that say, Okay, here's all the tech 714 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,749 shows that are going there. Live Streaming, here's all the, you 715 00:46:03,749 --> 00:46:07,049 know, garden shows that are sure that mean, or Dutch, here's all 716 00:46:07,049 --> 00:46:07,829 the Dutch shows 717 00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:13,440 infinitely expandable. If anyone can tap into it, anyone could 718 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,620 tap into it and writing an app that does this guy's super 719 00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:17,190 exciting. 720 00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:25,529 I want more podcasters to do live shows. Because for a couple 721 00:46:25,529 --> 00:46:30,659 of reasons. Like it's not once you're comfortable. And I say 722 00:46:30,659 --> 00:46:33,059 this as somebody who's only been podcasting for the last two 723 00:46:33,059 --> 00:46:33,479 years, 724 00:46:33,509 --> 00:46:35,999 you were really kind of apprentice status still. But 725 00:46:35,999 --> 00:46:42,059 okay. Mattawan mentee mentee, 726 00:46:42,570 --> 00:46:46,380 one learner, we went in one day, I'll graduate and get my 727 00:46:47,219 --> 00:46:50,069 when you can, when you can snatch the pebbles from my hand, 728 00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:52,079 it will be time for you to leave Dave Jones. 729 00:46:52,979 --> 00:46:58,529 And so once you get kind of you know, quote unquote comfortable 730 00:46:58,529 --> 00:47:02,369 behind the mic, to where you're you're sort of used to doing 731 00:47:02,399 --> 00:47:06,509 we're used to the process of doing it. Doing it live is not 732 00:47:06,509 --> 00:47:10,409 that it's not that big of a deal. Like it really it really 733 00:47:10,409 --> 00:47:14,039 has the but there was no bumps in the road. It just felt 734 00:47:14,099 --> 00:47:15,689 normal. Yeah, but 735 00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:19,560 let me stop you right there. Okay, because of the lack in 736 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,870 production tools. A majority of podcast does post production 737 00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:28,980 post processing all of this stuff after the fact, going full 738 00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:33,720 on Live is not the same as doing a podcast and then tweaking it 739 00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,890 and editing it. And it's not everybody can do that. Now you 740 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,460 got the right schooling. I don't know from this, but someone 741 00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:44,610 taught you the right way right off the bat that somebody did. 742 00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:49,320 And I must say I'm, I'm still very excited about my, my road 743 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,160 caster, version two, which apparently is coming any day 744 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,410 now. And then I can endorse a device that that actually works 745 00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:02,700 for live production. So well, but I'm just saying it's not 746 00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,510 appropriate for every show to do live, nor do most people have 747 00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:08,910 the production skills to do that. 748 00:48:09,389 --> 00:48:13,169 Now it's abs, this is an absolutely idiotic thing for me 749 00:48:13,169 --> 00:48:20,099 to say, to somehow disagree with you about about the streaming 750 00:48:20,099 --> 00:48:23,129 media. I mean, it's as absurd. I mean, I might as well just jump 751 00:48:23,129 --> 00:48:28,979 off a cliff, but go ahead. I'm gonna do it anyway. Here's the 752 00:48:28,979 --> 00:48:33,179 thing, it's like, you can still, when you finish, you can still 753 00:48:33,179 --> 00:48:37,949 post produce, and put out the polished one. But there's an 754 00:48:38,009 --> 00:48:44,459 there's a, there's a unique, like, even if you're going to 755 00:48:44,459 --> 00:48:46,949 Maven, or for messing up a bunch of starting and stopping and 756 00:48:46,949 --> 00:48:51,179 that kind of thing. That's still valuable to hear it live because 757 00:48:51,179 --> 00:48:54,629 you build a sort of like quirkiness with your audience 758 00:48:54,629 --> 00:48:58,049 who's committed to your thing. And they're not going to they're 759 00:48:58,049 --> 00:49:00,569 not going to be, you know, you're gonna have, you're gonna 760 00:49:00,569 --> 00:49:03,959 have a committed core of people that listen to you, that want to 761 00:49:03,959 --> 00:49:08,849 hear you, whether you mess up or not, and whether whether it's 762 00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:12,569 whether the whole thing goes sideways. And this like I mean, 763 00:49:12,569 --> 00:49:17,489 it's like when you mess up, there's a there's a quirkiness 764 00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:22,439 and an attractiveness to that, too. So I think that, like if 765 00:49:22,439 --> 00:49:28,229 people tried it live, that might, like you said, it helps 766 00:49:28,229 --> 00:49:30,959 them with discovery, because they're going to be one of the 767 00:49:30,959 --> 00:49:35,219 few shows that actually does a live stream. And then they're 768 00:49:35,219 --> 00:49:37,829 still they can still post produce and cleaned it up and 769 00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:40,919 put out the Polish later. But they stick but they get the 770 00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:46,019 benefits of of the unique live experience. Of course, 771 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:48,900 and I'm not going to disagree with you on that, but it's not 772 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:54,480 it's not appropriate for every show. Gotcha. Jen Briony per 773 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,110 show was edited. She has clips, you know, for people playing 774 00:49:58,110 --> 00:50:01,350 clips on the fly. It's just an That's something a lot of people 775 00:50:01,350 --> 00:50:05,880 are trained to do. And I know this, I mean, this part, I know 776 00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:11,100 a lot of people just don't do it that way. Now, there's a huge 777 00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:15,600 non podcasting streaming audience, it's called YouTube, I 778 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,740 think this is the genius, you bring these people over, teach 779 00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:23,520 them how to package it up. And you know, because it's really 780 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,850 this, for them, it's like I flip it on YouTube does the rest, 781 00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:29,310 well, it's not going to be exactly like that with a podcast 782 00:50:29,310 --> 00:50:33,330 host because you're gonna have to, you know, still bake the mp3 783 00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:35,580 and upload it and do all that stuff. So that, you know, 784 00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:38,460 there's some hurdles, which of course, could be shortened. But, 785 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:42,450 but if that's the audience that I think, will understand this, 786 00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:46,920 inherently, it will be very happy with it. podcasters I 787 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,270 think they can, you know, the power of, of pod ping can be 788 00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:54,570 harnessed in many ways for this for the discovery that we're 789 00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:58,380 talking about, you know, when, when, when Dave Winer kind of 790 00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:01,230 checked out a blog of blogging, I didn't, he didn't really check 791 00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:05,700 out but he had web blogs.com and web blogs.com All it did was it 792 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:09,870 shows you the most recently updated web blog, and it was 793 00:51:09,870 --> 00:51:12,660 pretty cool. He just sat there and it was like the like the pod 794 00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:16,770 ping Dot Watch. He just sit down you watch stuff update in real 795 00:51:16,770 --> 00:51:19,530 time, and you can click on it and read a post or whatever. So 796 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:22,410 it's really an aggregate in that case was an aggregator but I 797 00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:26,460 think he was using XML RPC if I'm not mistaken to know to 798 00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:31,110 create a version of pod ping or activity pub whatever you want 799 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:38,460 to use. And he sold that for $2 million. So if anyone wants an 800 00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:42,480 idea um if anyone wants an idea you know something like that 801 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,930 where maybe you can filter yourself I mean like you said, 802 00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:49,290 you know, certain language podcasts filter them out have 803 00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:55,380 that be your your your update page or your bot these are great 804 00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:56,040 things 805 00:51:57,180 --> 00:52:00,780 Yeah, I guess no you know you're just want to see people be less 806 00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:05,430 afraid of messing up you know and like the I just want to see 807 00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:11,040 people run with scissors more and be less less afraid of you 808 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,580 know I don't know for 809 00:52:14,579 --> 00:52:17,549 you know, aspiration if you tell young people to go ahead and 810 00:52:17,549 --> 00:52:19,979 mess it up before you know what they got a broken femur and 811 00:52:19,979 --> 00:52:21,389 they're sleeping on your couch 812 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,689 I've already got one of those that need even more than 813 00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:32,190 a little bit I've advocated for for live production not not even 814 00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:35,970 live streaming with live life to take forever to it's the way to 815 00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:40,980 go. We haven't really had good tools for that or good education 816 00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:41,670 or etc. 817 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:49,980 I've always been it's been on my mind because I did so I did what 818 00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:56,310 was it bowls with buds and our bowl after bowl and and then did 819 00:52:56,310 --> 00:52:58,650 behind the schemes last week? A little 820 00:52:58,650 --> 00:52:59,550 overexposed 821 00:52:59,670 --> 00:53:06,090 Dave a lover's have gone for Harvey wants to but the the 822 00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:08,910 whole like I've been getting I've done some of these live 823 00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:13,410 shows. And I see that there's just like a looseness to them 824 00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:16,950 where people don't mind you and making mistakes and now these 825 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,980 you know this shows that have been all I mean, in that I've 826 00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:24,420 done some shows that are also just taped and out under the 827 00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:29,610 last shows share the fun to them where it's this people aren't 828 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,150 you know, it's not so stuffy it just has this like this energy. 829 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,080 I'm really That's why all my shows are live to tape. 830 00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:41,190 Yeah, it really doesn't make a difference. It doesn't make a 831 00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:41,610 difference. 832 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,310 Let me read out any if we can do let me read out a couple of 833 00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:49,620 boosts we've been getting booster grams since we took the 834 00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:52,080 show lit this morning or this afternoon. Well worth 835 00:53:52,110 --> 00:53:59,430 mentioning. Pay tar 250,000 SATs Holy crap. He says upping my 836 00:53:59,430 --> 00:54:03,060 Satish to really appreciate Yeah. 837 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,610 Okay, that's that's is that a 838 00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:07,680 big ball? Are you seeing the boost for today? Well, we're 839 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:13,620 gonna get 20 blades on the hem ball out just in case. 840 00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:19,590 That is big baller. Yes. Oh, no, no, no. It's actually not. It's 841 00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:23,820 not. Nope, it's not big baller. That's a tease. 842 00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:28,170 Blueberry 10,000 SATs nondescript and inoffensive 843 00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:33,870 boost Thank you. floydian slips says I'm broken. I own myself 844 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:38,040 bitch with 5200 SATs. Yeah, that's the podcasting. 2.0 thing 845 00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:44,790 thought pattern. Jake from the sleek podcasts 3326 V four v 846 00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:49,710 music. We should talk about that. Brando cellars 5000 sat 847 00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:52,980 boost Thank you row of ducks from Tim the artists formerly 848 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:56,580 known as mixer happy Fridays. Happy Friday, fellas. Hope you 849 00:54:56,580 --> 00:55:03,810 have a great weekend. Thank you very much. And let's see if we 850 00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:09,360 had some pre pre live boosts I think you'll have those in your 851 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,270 in your run at this one you probably don't have 10,000 from 852 00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:15,060 Macintosh Dave and Adam Thanks for always thanks as always for 853 00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:18,270 everything you do Adam this boost is for my needing to shut 854 00:55:18,270 --> 00:55:21,780 down my voltage notes sorry again about that. Oh, can I get 855 00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:24,420 a little love for my podcast generational wealth with 856 00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:28,830 cryptocurrency that love given? I just posted episode 55 Last 857 00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:32,940 night trying to get the SAT flywheel turning go podcasting? 858 00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:38,790 Yes he he's setting up his own node I think he couldn't justify 859 00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:42,930 the expense of a voltage node. So absolutely. Thank you very 860 00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:47,760 much. So those are just the live boosts? 861 00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:52,500 Yeah, my voltage did the billing on voltage change because I got 862 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:57,000 a I got an email saying that my credits were running low and I 863 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,240 needed to re credit fill it. Yes. Redis 864 00:56:00,689 --> 00:56:03,629 what credits what kind of what kind of casino is gray and 865 00:56:03,629 --> 00:56:05,939 running over their credit? I 866 00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:11,370 don't know. Because I got a match run up. Personally. Oh my 867 00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:18,540 god damn, I run a 1299 a month. Light No. Right. And then then 868 00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:20,670 as you did always just bills at the beginning of the month. 869 00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:23,610 1299. And then I get this thing saying you're running low on 870 00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:26,580 credits your you need to refill your credit. They will be auto 871 00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:31,860 refilled and then being it paying me for 20 bucks. Oh, man, 872 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,170 I need to check with with Grant sounds 873 00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:36,570 like sounds like inflation to me. 874 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,720 Mega inflation 875 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,450 seems seems to be the thing these days. Yeah. No, I I think 876 00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:49,050 we paid what I know. We paid for the podcast index note upfront. 877 00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:53,310 Yeah, we do that annually. Yeah. 878 00:56:53,339 --> 00:56:57,149 Yeah. And and I have a light note there for Moe facts, which 879 00:56:57,299 --> 00:57:00,419 I guess it's still okay, I gotta check it. And that's kind of the 880 00:57:00,419 --> 00:57:02,939 good thing is and I have to look at that one too much. In fact, 881 00:57:03,389 --> 00:57:07,679 the notes had been pretty good so far. I mean, knock on wood. 882 00:57:08,099 --> 00:57:12,029 What am I doing? Inviting? The man? No, so stupid. 883 00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:20,340 Thanks a lot wrong. I'll be doing this weekend. Okay, we got 884 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:28,230 the so medium tag, no agenda? No. Agenda two. He also put that 885 00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:32,250 in there. We put in the medium tech. So the medium tech cool. 886 00:57:32,279 --> 00:57:35,459 So it would show up under video, I guess. Yeah. So 887 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,610 killing Ed. That That one is as a medium tag of film. Oh, cool. 888 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,630 Yeah, and there's a there's a so I'll put that up put also this 889 00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:48,750 week support for the medium tag into the index officially now. 890 00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:54,450 It's being ingested through the aggregator. And also, there's 891 00:57:54,450 --> 00:57:58,410 once again, the same way with like with live item. There's one 892 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,270 endpoint is podcast slash buy medium, as the only important 893 00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:05,460 you give it the medium, it'll give you back all the podcasts 894 00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:10,350 that have that medium. Now. And then here, here. Again, this is 895 00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:12,930 another thing that I think we just need feedback on from 896 00:58:12,930 --> 00:58:22,050 everybody in the boardroom as to what? Like how best to structure 897 00:58:22,050 --> 00:58:26,610 this within the API, because the way you know the way you consume 898 00:58:26,610 --> 00:58:31,740 music, and the way you want to find music podcasts, that may 899 00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:35,820 not be the same as it, it may not operate just like a a 900 00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:43,380 podcast app. Yeah. So like, if you just say, because here's I 901 00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:50,160 can think of it this way. Here's one possibility. You replicate 902 00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:56,460 all of So currently, the API is like podcasts slash by Feed URL. 903 00:58:56,490 --> 00:59:01,080 So you can look up a podcast by its URL, right, or podcast slash 904 00:59:01,110 --> 00:59:05,670 by iTunes ID. And you can look it up by that, well, you could 905 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:09,240 just forklift all that over and say now we have a whole new set 906 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,190 of endpoints called Music by Feed URL, music by ID low 907 00:59:14,190 --> 00:59:16,350 whatever. Or one way to do it, 908 00:59:16,349 --> 00:59:21,059 or just set a parameter music, medium tag equals music and then 909 00:59:21,059 --> 00:59:23,069 perform the rest of the API functions. 910 00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:25,680 That's another way yeah, you just tack them on to the other 911 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:33,240 stuff. Or a third option is none of the above and, and really the 912 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:40,800 best way to consume for an app to find these music. These music 913 00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:45,240 entities is some other way that doesn't even fit either one of 914 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:51,150 those, which is also possible like images. What I would love 915 00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:57,450 is for a music app to say, hey, here's what I want. I want if I 916 00:59:57,450 --> 01:00:01,980 was going to pull data from the index Here's the way I would 917 01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:06,840 want to do it. And then we build it to meet that need. Because 918 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,330 that's essentially what we did for the podcast apps. 919 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,620 Well, this is where I believe discovery is important. Whereas 920 01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:16,860 I don't think it works for podcast, I think music discovery 921 01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:21,330 and just being able to click on stuff and, and get 922 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,430 recommendations, which would not be our job, the indexes job. But 923 01:00:26,430 --> 01:00:28,590 for that kind of, I think, I think it's significantly 924 01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:31,110 different. And maybe there's some some stuff the index should 925 01:00:31,290 --> 01:00:36,420 be feeding back. I don't know. Yet I'm just but I am music app 926 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,390 has to be driven, kind of around two things, your collection of 927 01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:46,560 stuff that you really like that you want to access, again, your 928 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,990 favorites, or whatever you want to call them. And discovery. I 929 01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:51,360 mean, this is where discover, and maybe we'll learn something 930 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760 in that process that helps for podcasting. Actually, 931 01:00:55,079 --> 01:01:00,269 if you look at a lot of podcast apps like overcast, cast, 932 01:01:00,269 --> 01:01:03,629 ematic, things like that, what you see is they already have 933 01:01:03,629 --> 01:01:08,039 playlist features in there. And you could be me, you can just 934 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,769 imagine that those playlists are just music playlists instead of 935 01:01:10,769 --> 01:01:11,729 podcast playlists. 936 01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:15,420 Well remember, my my dream is I want to play music on my 937 01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:20,220 podcast. And I want to not only be able to pay the artist, a 938 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:23,730 split, as someone who's listening to their song by 939 01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:27,240 timecode in my podcast, but also, why wouldn't she be able 940 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,170 to immediately access that feed of from that album that that 941 01:01:31,170 --> 01:01:35,760 track is on? Right? Yeah. So there's a log, 942 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,490 it's a chapter link or something like that. Just kick over to the 943 01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:42,900 as an example, as an example. Sure. Or even slicker? I don't 944 01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:47,790 know. You know, add a button, add this song to my playlist. 945 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,530 Yeah, I mean, there's there's different all kinds of different 946 01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:58,290 mediums. There's music, film, video audio book. So I mean, any 947 01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:04,350 one of those could have its so it can have its own structure of 948 01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:07,290 the way that it needs to be, even though they are all very 949 01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:07,950 similar. 950 01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:12,000 I mean, what do you use for your music? Me? 951 01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:14,850 Okay, Spotify. 952 01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:18,570 So does it function the way you would you'd like it to to you is 953 01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,480 I mean that, then take that model and say this is this is 954 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,940 the stuff that I use it for? Aren't we are building stuff for 955 01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:29,520 ourselves? We're not building for anybody else. 956 01:02:30,389 --> 01:02:35,099 I have the, you know, I have the music app. And I can see it in 957 01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:43,739 my head. But I guess what do you say? I mean, do you think music 958 01:02:43,919 --> 01:02:51,689 apps? Or only say, say this? Do you think podcast apps would 959 01:02:51,689 --> 01:02:59,789 want to implement a Music Mode? I think they would just want us 960 01:02:59,789 --> 01:03:02,699 try to shoehorn it into the existing user interface. 961 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,150 Well, the question is, will they want to do music at all? That's 962 01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:12,000 the first question. And then I would say no, it doesn't make 963 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,140 sense to shoehorn it into a podcast interface. There's some 964 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,890 differences. I don't know what they are, I'm still waiting for 965 01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:22,950 a big new difference in the podcast apps, although we've 966 01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:29,130 seen some very nice examples. With every app is unique and has 967 01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:33,600 unique features that that are user experience oriented, not 968 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,200 just technical or features, but really, how it functions, how it 969 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,830 works, how you use it. And everyone's idea is different. So 970 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:46,830 I think the music listening experience and the collecting of 971 01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:50,040 music experience, and the sharing of music experience is 972 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,140 different from podcast. So it would warrant some change in the 973 01:03:55,140 --> 01:04:00,030 existing app. Or, you know, like, curio casts or out hears 974 01:04:00,030 --> 01:04:04,530 music, okay, it's clear to me. Now, it still kind of works the 975 01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:08,280 same. But at least I know what I'm what I'm okay. It's music. I 976 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,550 got it. It's not podcast is music. Right? Even though I 977 01:04:11,550 --> 01:04:14,280 could find them to podcast search? I could find them too. 978 01:04:15,870 --> 01:04:18,030 That makes sense. So I don't think I can answer your question 979 01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:22,200 as to what people want from the API, because it seems like it's 980 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,340 just all the same. 981 01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:30,600 Yeah, yeah. I think we'll figure it out as we go. And I 982 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,280 think all all musicians who put music on podcast and 2.0 should 983 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,030 do them live. 984 01:04:38,489 --> 01:04:39,929 I think that's probably not gonna happen. 985 01:04:39,929 --> 01:04:44,339 Every song should be live. Because you know, Dave likes it. 986 01:04:44,339 --> 01:04:47,309 It doesn't matter if you mess up. Just stop. Pick the song up, 987 01:04:47,309 --> 01:04:50,189 start over again. You know, keep going. 988 01:04:51,030 --> 01:04:54,780 Don't you want to hear Dave Jackson do? Don't you wanna hear 989 01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:59,550 him? Jam live. Great podcast. good guitar player. 990 01:04:59,580 --> 01:05:00,450 You get my point. 991 01:05:02,129 --> 01:05:06,719 I do get your point. The that's what it says what I get for deaf 992 01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:08,579 or daring. Derek 993 01:05:08,579 --> 01:05:13,289 Jarrett? Well, no, no, no. So I think we have most of the pieces 994 01:05:13,289 --> 01:05:18,629 there right now. I'm not quite sure what happened. We were hot 995 01:05:18,629 --> 01:05:23,339 and heavy and discussion. We had Sam means was in any anything 996 01:05:23,339 --> 01:05:27,179 come back from any of those people we? Has anybody looked at 997 01:05:28,619 --> 01:05:30,539 any deeper at the RSS feed? 998 01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:36,000 Yeah. Like Michael. Michael Ray from wave Lake. Okay. Yeah, 999 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,520 he's, he's on the index now. And people Yeah, people are 1000 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,720 definitely looking at it. These are people that are new to 1001 01:05:43,170 --> 01:05:46,020 what's going on here. Okay. And they 1002 01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:48,870 can take it can take a minute or two to get your footing. 1003 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,800 Yeah. And so I think I think everybody's just sort of going 1004 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,460 through now trying to sort of digest what is going on and get, 1005 01:05:56,700 --> 01:06:01,800 get their feet wet. In, in sort of see because it means it's 1006 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,720 brand new, really, even though music podcasting has been has 1007 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,210 been around. I mean, everybody, clearly people have done it 1008 01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:14,310 before, on a limited basis. But now it's sort of like, okay, 1009 01:06:14,310 --> 01:06:17,820 let's get serious about this thing. Let's create, let's try 1010 01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:22,620 to create infrastructure that will actually enable music 1011 01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:28,170 podcasting to be a true alternative to record level 1012 01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:31,470 podcasting, or whatever you would want to call that. And I 1013 01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:35,700 think in order to do that, that requires people to be careful. 1014 01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:41,160 And do it and build it. Build its, you know, Bill, build it 1015 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,800 with intentionality. So I think that that's really what's going 1016 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,480 on right now is people are trying to figure out okay, what 1017 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,450 does this mean? And how do I, how do I take advantage of it in 1018 01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:51,210 a way that makes sense? question that I did. 1019 01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:56,880 Ice Cube soup in the chat asked the question. Okay. Why why why 1020 01:06:57,030 --> 01:07:01,170 are we slowly building via a gradual inevitable accumulation, 1021 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,620 a dependency on the central single point of failure isn't 1022 01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:08,430 avoiding this the entire point of the podcast and 2.0 1023 01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:09,150 initiative? 1024 01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,510 What is the single point of failure? The API? 1025 01:07:12,929 --> 01:07:17,369 I guess? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 1026 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,630 Well, I mean, if if the single point of failure is that he's 1027 01:07:21,630 --> 01:07:26,280 talking about is the is the API, then that's there's not a single 1028 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,080 point of failure. Because we, I mean, all the API does is 1029 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:36,000 aggregate all the feeds. The feed the this data lives in the 1030 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,680 feed, it doesn't live. The it only lives in the API, because 1031 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,610 it first lived in the feed. Right? So you can you can go 1032 01:07:44,610 --> 01:07:51,300 out, grab our database, pull in that, okay. says yes, the API 1033 01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,790 and the fact that the index is the only place to use it? Well, 1034 01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:56,970 it's the only place to use it now. Yeah, when somebody has to 1035 01:07:56,970 --> 01:07:58,080 build the first thing, 1036 01:07:58,139 --> 01:08:02,129 here's an idea Ice Cube soup, grab a copy set up a set up 1037 01:08:02,129 --> 01:08:03,689 another instance of it. 1038 01:08:04,829 --> 01:08:10,379 It's only it only has to be built somewhere so we can figure 1039 01:08:10,379 --> 01:08:13,319 out and work out all the bugs. And we're in figuring out how 1040 01:08:13,319 --> 01:08:19,349 the thing works. Then, I fully expected that other directories 1041 01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:22,200 was in five years, Marc Andreessen will have given 1042 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,290 somebody a couple 100 million dollars to take it to take your 1043 01:08:25,290 --> 01:08:28,770 code Dave and and, and have no success. 1044 01:08:29,190 --> 01:08:30,840 Yeah, that's the Silicon Valley Way. 1045 01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:34,740 Yeah, you do all the work, you get nothing. We take money we 1046 01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:35,010 give you 1047 01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:39,660 know, that's, that's the I mean, this is just this as well. 1048 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:45,600 And to be fair about it, I mean, I My feeling is the backup to 1049 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,890 that is hive, it's pod ping, you know, yeah, there's, there's 1050 01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:52,500 things about pod ping that or about hive itself that you can 1051 01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:54,990 discuss, but doesn't really matter. There's a universal 1052 01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:58,830 messaging bus for all podcasts. You can build a podcast app, 1053 01:08:59,010 --> 01:09:06,060 just using pod ping. Just using pod ping. Yeah, I mean, like, 1054 01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:10,530 and that's truly distributed has all the information, everything 1055 01:09:10,530 --> 01:09:14,520 you need to know it's right there. Build your own API. 1056 01:09:15,870 --> 01:09:22,470 Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, we're building the API 1057 01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:23,250 exists. 1058 01:09:23,789 --> 01:09:26,969 Oh, no, no, no, no. Ice Cube soup wants a Docker image that 1059 01:09:26,969 --> 01:09:29,819 it just loads up and everything works. Yeah, I don't think so. 1060 01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:36,900 I mean, God, I've got a job. The day job and kids man I get I get 1061 01:09:36,930 --> 01:09:38,460 I get time for that. But even 1062 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:41,370 then it's like day that's going to be very limited. I mean, 1063 01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:44,400 that's a huge project to do that. Yeah. Well, 1064 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,140 I mean, one day, one day it'll, 1065 01:09:47,009 --> 01:09:50,459 you'll put 30 aggregators and all this stuff into one big 1066 01:09:50,459 --> 01:09:53,069 Docker image. It would just make it a Linux distro. 1067 01:09:53,550 --> 01:10:02,250 We we run 20 We run 22 servers. Yeah. That the Um, now, I think 1068 01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:04,530 that there's two different things happening here. There's 1069 01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:09,750 there's the index, it will this has always been the way it is. 1070 01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:12,090 There's the index. And then there's the podcasting. 2.0 1071 01:10:12,210 --> 01:10:15,900 project, podcasting 2.0. We're building protocols and forms and 1072 01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:21,000 formats and standards, that that's the thing that everybody 1073 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,320 can use. You don't need us the index exist, for one reason, 1074 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:34,710 excuse me. Two reasons. It exists number one, to give app 1075 01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:39,270 podcast apps a place to hook into to get all their data from 1076 01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:42,450 so they don't have to run their own infrastructure so they can 1077 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:47,460 bootstrap and not have to pay a fortune. Exactly. We we help 1078 01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:51,480 kickstart podcast apps, they can out and they're very free to 1079 01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:53,160 outgrow us in the future if they want to. 1080 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,390 And ice cube we do have a link to a copy of the database every 1081 01:10:57,390 --> 01:11:00,420 week. It's updated. Yeah, yes. So 1082 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,540 yes, that point should be a link. Yeah. A link to the 1083 01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:06,150 database is on is on the bottom of the homepage. 1084 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,370 Step step two, step two, for only about $100,000 in 1085 01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:13,500 donations, Dave could do this full time. 1086 01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:18,390 Yeah, that's, that's a smaller area. How about me? How 1087 01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:22,830 about this? How about I call mark? And say, give me $100 1088 01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:27,810 million? We got a we got a whole thing to do here. Yeah, I'm just 1089 01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:29,850 a little. I'm just a little irked by this. 1090 01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:34,590 But but the other reason it's, it's helping podcast at 1091 01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:38,940 bootstrap for free. And then the second reason is to be is to be 1092 01:11:38,940 --> 01:11:44,310 scissors, and have a place where these new things can be explored 1093 01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:49,320 and was safely outside of committee. Yeah, exactly. We 1094 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,920 build it. And then every look, look at all the people that are 1095 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,710 using chapters and transcripts and all that kind of stuff now 1096 01:11:55,710 --> 01:12:00,180 and ingesting them. They all every one of those features 1097 01:12:00,420 --> 01:12:04,350 started with just the index supporting them. Now, lots of 1098 01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:07,830 platforms are supporting them. It radiates out. It'll it'll fix 1099 01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:08,190 itself. 1100 01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:10,920 Yeah, it'll take a while. It always 1101 01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:15,000 at one point in time, Linus Torvalds. was the only person 1102 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:15,660 running Linux. 1103 01:12:15,690 --> 01:12:19,710 Yeah. And then once you let it go, what happened? 1104 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:25,050 It it blossomed into a baby. 1105 01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:32,820 Oh, is that what happened? Okay. Yeah, I mean that so that? Yes, 1106 01:12:32,850 --> 01:12:36,000 that is the point. And maybe maybe we just stop here right 1107 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,510 now. And just let's let's thank the people who have supported 1108 01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:40,230 the project. 1109 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:42,450 Oh, that foreign Yeah. 1110 01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:46,830 Our 12 into the show without a guest that just you and me 1111 01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:48,270 talking about trucks and stuff. 1112 01:12:51,210 --> 01:12:55,710 It's Thomas flying by a call me midday eating a cherry. 1113 01:12:55,740 --> 01:13:01,560 Now that's okay. How cute he's eating a cherry. This is for 1114 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,350 those of you who are new. This is a value for value Open 1115 01:13:04,350 --> 01:13:08,100 Project, which means anybody can access it. Anybody can join, 1116 01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,310 anybody can have an opinion. Everybody can contribute. You 1117 01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:15,660 can you can use I think all the code or a lot of most of it is 1118 01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:19,110 open source. Our stuff certainly is mostly and other apps. And 1119 01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,290 it's a great community. If you're if you're listening to 1120 01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:25,050 the show, you're not on podcast, index dot social, you might want 1121 01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:29,610 to follow Adam or Dave there. Or if you want to have an account, 1122 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,870 send us an email. And we'll we'll send you an invite, so you 1123 01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:38,760 can hop right in. You just heard we've got servers, we've got 1124 01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:43,380 infrastructure that we're maintaining. And we need as much 1125 01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:47,400 help as possible to maintain that we got liquidity on our 1126 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,610 node. We're Bootstrap. You're so right. We're bootstrapping 1127 01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:53,970 podcast app developers. We're bootstrapping value for value. 1128 01:13:53,970 --> 01:13:58,290 podcasters. And we're really, I think, I think the track is 1129 01:13:58,290 --> 01:14:01,410 right here. You know, I'm very proud that we have this 1130 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:07,620 incredible momentum. So much so that, you know, the guys with 1131 01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:10,380 hundreds of millions of dollars think oh, man, we can't do 1132 01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:14,400 anything until five years from now. You know, and then and then 1133 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:20,130 what? People are going to move? Oh, no, no, not at all. I mean, 1134 01:14:20,130 --> 01:14:23,160 the whole infant look at all the hosting companies who are adding 1135 01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:27,660 namespace tags. It's really fantastic. And yeah, it's been 1136 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,050 we're coming up on two years. But yeah, I mean, it's 1137 01:14:31,050 --> 01:14:33,660 surprising how fast this has gone. Really? 1138 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,560 Yeah, no, it's going very quick. 1139 01:14:38,430 --> 01:14:42,120 So you can go to podcast index.org down at the bottom. 1140 01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:44,970 There's a link if you want to give us your Fiat fun coupons. 1141 01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,150 We do appreciate those. Certainly because people realize 1142 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:51,180 the numbers are the numbers. But of course we also love your 1143 01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:54,360 booster grams, your streaming sites, everything and part of 1144 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,480 the deal is we thank you when you send something and we thank 1145 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:00,720 you by reading your booster gram or your note Are we sure 1146 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,790 do and we got zero Pay Pal weekly donations this week. Pew 1147 01:15:05,790 --> 01:15:06,900 pew pew 1148 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,640 zero Pay Pal donations. Zero. Okay, well it is 1149 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,830 the audit. What do you what you just played as the audio 1150 01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:20,820 equivalent of an old man trying to pee in just the stream which 1151 01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:24,000 won't get started, you know? Just keep going. 1152 01:15:24,030 --> 01:15:28,860 Yeah, well, that's Mitas. So I'm sure I'm sure he's flattered. 1153 01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:37,800 Yeah, we got we got zero so okay, that's nice. We got plenty 1154 01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:43,380 we got we got plenty. A good list of monthlies, but okay, I 1155 01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:45,990 guess I guess the last show was bad. That's the only thing I can 1156 01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:46,410 think of. 1157 01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:55,740 Well it'll take two more shows to to evaluate. But if people 1158 01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:59,640 don't supply the value, then that's very easy. And then in my 1159 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,830 mind, they're not getting enough value out of it. So we have to 1160 01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:03,810 figure out what provides more value. 1161 01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,970 So but we do have we do have boosts we have plenty of boosts 1162 01:16:08,970 --> 01:16:13,800 Okay. Which is which is good. Yeah, we need Auburn citadel. 1163 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:16,620 49,490 SATs 1164 01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:18,750 Nice. Nice. Yes, 1165 01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:21,270 he does that a bunch. I'm not he needs to tell us what the 1166 01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:33,150 numerology what's the number again for 49,490 49,490? Yeah, 1167 01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:36,090 so fell through fountain and he says go podcasting? 1168 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:42,660 Yes. The only thing I could find podcast is the 49 490 heavy duty 1169 01:16:42,690 --> 01:16:43,500 air filter. 1170 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,640 I'm just gonna stick my neck out and say that's not it. 1171 01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:48,870 No, I think you're right. 1172 01:16:50,730 --> 01:16:56,070 The I'm doing this actually from mud. The email. Oh, 1173 01:16:56,070 --> 01:17:00,990 look at you. Would you like would you like my.mk rc file so 1174 01:17:00,990 --> 01:17:04,170 you have all the cool file? I've spent years developing that 1175 01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:04,530 thing. 1176 01:17:04,890 --> 01:17:07,740 I would actually love that place. That would be amazing. 1177 01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:09,210 Like, I want your macros man. 1178 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,910 There's a lot of cool macros that I've got in there. Sure. 1179 01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:13,920 I'll send that to you. No problem. Yeah, that'd be killer. 1180 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,140 I'm gonna drop it in since one of you using mutt what 1181 01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:18,150 happened? Since a week ago. 1182 01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:20,940 You logged in you know that curries on a something? Let me 1183 01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:22,380 try this month thing again. 1184 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,600 Here's the here's the funny thing. Is the I use fast mail 1185 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,130 for our podcast index.org. I mean mail account, fast mails, 1186 01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:37,590 web interface cannot handle emojis. Really, it just doesn't 1187 01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:40,830 show them at all. They always come through as like these 1188 01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:46,440 weird, like encoding might handle 1189 01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:49,470 them perfectly. Well. It's also the terminal you're using. 1190 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,460 Yeah, I mean, will fat fast meals web interface? You would 1191 01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:58,410 think it could handle an emoji website? I think so. And but but 1192 01:17:58,410 --> 01:18:01,260 my command line can handle it better than the website. Yeah. 1193 01:18:01,290 --> 01:18:03,930 Maybe they thought you know, fast mail. If we don't render 1194 01:18:03,930 --> 01:18:05,790 the emojis. It'll be even faster. 1195 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:12,990 Yes. Yeah, it is faster. So, Mary, Oscar, Oscar, also known 1196 01:18:12,990 --> 01:18:17,490 as Oscar Mayer. Yes. And it's 10,000 SATs. Thank you. And he 1197 01:18:17,490 --> 01:18:20,730 says, Hey, listen, marry, stop sending test boost from the 1198 01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:21,180 dungeon. 1199 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,680 That's right. He stopped the one the 10 sat boost and he turned 1200 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,840 it in 10,000. Thank you, brother. That's true. 1201 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,260 Boost. Yeah. And he's working on some cool stuff, too. Well, 1202 01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:33,390 maybe we'll he'll let maybe he'll let us talk about that. 1203 01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:33,570 Yeah, 1204 01:18:33,570 --> 01:18:36,330 we'll have to have him on if he wants to talk about it. Yeah, 1205 01:18:36,330 --> 01:18:37,020 that'd be good. Yeah. 1206 01:18:37,740 --> 01:18:41,730 We got Oh, over Citadelle back with 4949 and he says tripping 1207 01:18:41,730 --> 01:18:42,480 over scissors. 1208 01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:45,600 Scissors sound Dave scissors. 1209 01:18:46,260 --> 01:18:47,640 Oh, you got me 1210 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:55,080 run over there and pick them up there and run back. Ah, nice. 1211 01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:56,160 Sharp. 1212 01:18:57,210 --> 01:19:01,230 Nice and short. I was on the I was on the the polishing wheel 1213 01:19:01,230 --> 01:19:06,720 before the ships getting them all fired up. So Karen mere 1214 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:13,920 mortals 9090 s s through curio caster. A friend asked me the 1215 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:19,410 other day. Why I dislike Spotify so much. I can. I can hear his 1216 01:19:19,410 --> 01:19:24,150 friends say Hey Karen, what do you dislike Spotify so much? And 1217 01:19:24,150 --> 01:19:26,790 he says I stuck with the advertisements and the dodgy 1218 01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:29,700 marketing practices. But this episode has added a whole new 1219 01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:32,910 set of weapons to the arsenal. Chatting with Sir Spencer on 1220 01:19:32,910 --> 01:19:35,280 mere mortals has also made me super excited about 1221 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,190 decentralized music and the coming demise of the music 1222 01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:38,730 tyranny 1223 01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:44,850 he's optimistic that chyron is but yes that is the idea and I 1224 01:19:44,850 --> 01:19:49,680 there's no reason we can do it at all greed. Just need to need 1225 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,830 to jump in. Build some apps and stuff. 1226 01:19:53,550 --> 01:20:00,960 Dion as soon as 999 sets and he or she says uh Hello creator 1227 01:20:01,020 --> 01:20:04,740 reaching out how you doing booster? 1228 01:20:04,980 --> 01:20:06,750 Hello creator Hello booster. 1229 01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:16,320 See Steven B. I think this is this may have been during the 1230 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,810 show he says hey guys, I wish there was a way to for fans to 1231 01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:24,780 reach out to their favorite creators. Yes. Let's see what my 1232 01:20:24,780 --> 01:20:29,250 I'm out of out of sequence here. Oh, here we go. This is the 1233 01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:33,840 danger of mud. Okay, so value for value no add freedom boost 1234 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:40,320 from Georgia or well 1111 Boost. Thank you. Thank you George. I'm 1235 01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:44,580 wondering and I'm so out of whack you're not? 1236 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,620 I mean what is it is definitely for the experienced. So if 1237 01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:52,350 you're if you're experiencing some issues, 1238 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,550 so here's my experience. Here's what I expected to experience. I 1239 01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:59,760 expected to experience that when I hit the down arrow key. I go 1240 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,380 to the next email but that's not what 1241 01:21:01,470 --> 01:21:06,480 oh, you need to hit J J. K JK brother J K not down arrow down 1242 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:09,690 arrow takes you to a whole nother thing. That yeah, okay, 1243 01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:12,540 so and if you want to read more, it's the return key. 1244 01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:16,770 Oh, of course it is. 1245 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,410 Why are you laughing at me? Why are you laughing? 1246 01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:23,880 I'm laughing It must because you know everybody would expect that 1247 01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:28,830 that go to the next email you would hit j would ever think 1248 01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:32,070 that that's the case. Okay. All right. 1249 01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:34,680 Hold on. I gotta do Here you go. 1250 01:21:34,740 --> 01:21:43,920 Knock it off. Shut up. Shut up. So the answer is another one. He 1251 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,530 says 909 SS he says juicy. 1252 01:21:47,010 --> 01:21:49,740 Okay, okay. Juicy indeed. 1253 01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:56,820 Kaspi lintas and 7380 sets and he's through fountain. He says 1254 01:21:56,820 --> 01:22:01,050 okay, okay, Bitcoin is low. Double boost. Keep keep 1255 01:22:01,050 --> 01:22:07,890 promoting the only fan. Keep Whoa. Oh, that's SSE. Keep 1256 01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:12,210 promoting the only fans girls. One day, one day, one day, I can 1257 01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:15,360 directly boost them just for that just for their ads. And how 1258 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,230 could their profile? Haha, sorry, I can handle Jensen. 1259 01:22:19,410 --> 01:22:22,860 Maybe look into his work one day. One day again. Thanks for 1260 01:22:22,860 --> 01:22:26,430 the word is is he talking about the Jenson podcast? Yes. Yeah. 1261 01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:29,520 Okay. Is that a well known podcast? And 1262 01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:33,600 oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, very well known and very polarizing. 1263 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:43,650 And was it Pete who posted a short audio of his test his 1264 01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:49,830 first test of the road caster pro mark two, I think. And I 1265 01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:52,200 didn't see that. Yeah. And he said that there seems to be some 1266 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,490 latency. He says, I hear my voice like a little bit later. 1267 01:22:56,490 --> 01:23:00,360 I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. That's bad. That's very 1268 01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,900 bad. If there's actual latency, like he demonstrated something 1269 01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:07,320 like Oh, I'm gonna send it back if it has that, apparently is 1270 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:08,760 running on Linux. The whole thing. 1271 01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:14,640 Ah, okay. Surprise me. Man. That would be a deal killer. Oh, 1272 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:21,300 yeah. See, we got to wait, hang on a second. Hang on a second 1273 01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:22,500 timeout stops show starts. 1274 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,290 Okay. Well, no, this is what you like. Right. So you like it when 1275 01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:26,250 people mess up? 1276 01:23:27,150 --> 01:23:30,090 No, I mean, like, for real start the show because my kids just 1277 01:23:30,090 --> 01:23:31,020 started playing drums. 1278 01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:38,340 Okay, we will temporarily pause. Alright, so So now wait a 1279 01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:42,300 minute. This is this is the one with the broken femur. Yeah, 1280 01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:43,980 he's back on the drums already. 1281 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,740 Yeah, he is. Now he's in physical therapy. He's doing 1282 01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:47,640 good. Oh, 1283 01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:49,770 well, I'm happy to hear that because I was kind of thinking 1284 01:23:49,770 --> 01:23:52,770 about that. It's like, you know, she got stuff messed up. I don't 1285 01:23:52,770 --> 01:23:55,200 know what that's like to get back behind the drums. 1286 01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,900 Yeah, when he first did it it scared me to death. I was like, 1287 01:23:57,930 --> 01:24:01,110 Oh my God. What do you do is like no, it's fine. It feels 1288 01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:03,060 fun. Okay, all right. 1289 01:24:04,290 --> 01:24:06,900 That wasn't my drumstick did crack dad. 1290 01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:13,170 Yeah, all right as else in your dream the donation no and I hear 1291 01:24:13,170 --> 01:24:14,340 Funkmaster J up there. 1292 01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:17,760 That's all right. We barely heard it. 1293 01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:22,530 Oh, yeah. Niall sent us five sets who 1294 01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:26,820 know what the hell are you doing? 1295 01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:33,060 Is his message says boost with an exclamation point. That 1296 01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:36,030 doesn't fit. No, it doesn't take the exclamation point 1297 01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:38,610 away. Yes. That's your boost right there. 1298 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,210 Cole McCormick send us 333 says and he says waiting for found to 1299 01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:48,840 lit it up. I want to listen live. Okay. Well, 1300 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,440 I I'm pretty sure is being worked on. 1301 01:24:54,180 --> 01:25:01,020 User. Here's here's a boost from user 706-512-3838 six to six. 1302 01:25:01,230 --> 01:25:06,300 Yes says it's 500 SAS and he says from your friends at is 1303 01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:15,150 issue u.com issue UISU e y o u.com I mean this is just gonna 1304 01:25:15,150 --> 01:25:16,170 like Take Over is this because this 1305 01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:19,380 spam buffer overflow month but I S you 1306 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,290 ISU e one s? Yeah? 1307 01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:29,430 I sue you. It's not issue. It's I sue you dot o 1308 01:25:30,510 --> 01:25:31,290 u.com. 1309 01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:36,869 Let's see what. Okay, I went to ICU su u.com And it gives me 1310 01:25:36,869 --> 01:25:37,319 nothing. 1311 01:25:37,409 --> 01:25:39,959 It's a parked domain. Yeah. It's pretty. 1312 01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:44,160 Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks for wasting our time. Yeah, 1313 01:25:44,190 --> 01:25:47,490 thanks users Evernote for whatever. See Mike comes in with 1314 01:25:47,490 --> 01:25:52,560 5678. Dave didn't know j&k Were down and up and mutt. Those two 1315 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:58,290 keys do the same thing and fast mail. Dave needs remedial email 1316 01:25:58,290 --> 01:26:02,250 training. Wait a second. See Mike is always going oh, they 1317 01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:06,270 do? It's the universal Unix way. Brother. 1318 01:26:08,130 --> 01:26:14,400 J and K. is universe not? For what? 1319 01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:20,580 For up and down? It's H for left J for down k for up Alpha. 1320 01:26:20,580 --> 01:26:23,070 Right. Where have you been? 1321 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,790 Clearly not clearly not on the command line. 1322 01:26:27,450 --> 01:26:30,990 I think it's isn't this the same in VI as well? Yeah, it's the 1323 01:26:30,990 --> 01:26:35,430 same in VI Wow, use VI. Well, new I'm an emacs guy now. 1324 01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:37,830 Oh, are you converted to you know? 1325 01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:40,350 Yeah, I've been I've been using emacs for months. 1326 01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:43,440 Oh, well, I and I 1327 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,890 like it because I started with the GUI client. So if you don't 1328 01:26:46,890 --> 01:26:49,710 know a command, you can go to the menu bar and find it and 1329 01:26:49,710 --> 01:26:52,260 then you do that three times. And then you remember the 1330 01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:52,920 shortcut. 1331 01:26:53,640 --> 01:27:01,980 I've had a hotkey awakening. Alright. 150,000 SATs from Chad. 1332 01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:05,220 Pharaoh is boosting the dip. 1333 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:10,230 Whoa, hello. Oost. Thank you. 1334 01:27:10,830 --> 01:27:12,330 So you drop an extra pinion there 1335 01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:16,290 was a set. Toshi Satoshi 1336 01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:19,920 is one of those big coins with the B on it. By the way, see on 1337 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:20,400 Twitter, 1338 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,380 I use I have one of those that I went back the other day because 1339 01:27:25,380 --> 01:27:29,370 I had it in like a humidor box that I've had in the closet for 1340 01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:33,450 years. Like, look at that things. Don't tell me that. 1341 01:27:33,450 --> 01:27:36,210 Maybe there's like that, that someone gave that to me? What if 1342 01:27:36,210 --> 01:27:38,610 there's an actual Bitcoin in there? What if it's like a 1343 01:27:38,610 --> 01:27:43,890 private key or seed seed? Seed words on the coin? I went back 1344 01:27:43,890 --> 01:27:46,140 and I studied Oh, no. Okay. No 1345 01:27:46,170 --> 01:27:49,530 x x ray, maybe it's on the inside. I've been using 1346 01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:54,210 rain loop recently for web based mail because I have to use some 1347 01:27:54,210 --> 01:28:01,410 web mail. Rain loop is very cool. It's just a it's a it's a 1348 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:05,130 web shell that runs and it connects through IMAP to any 1349 01:28:05,130 --> 01:28:08,010 email server. And it also has shortcuts. 1350 01:28:09,150 --> 01:28:12,450 Are they? Okay? Well, interestingly, 1351 01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:18,060 no. Interestingly, they're not. Yeah, I'm very disappointed by 1352 01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:21,930 that. They have a down arrow. It's like, Oh, come on, guys. 1353 01:28:22,890 --> 01:28:26,550 But I've sent the developers notes. Can we put the j&k in 1354 01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:26,880 there? 1355 01:28:27,660 --> 01:28:30,570 Well, I didn't, I would have put that into the river navigation 1356 01:28:30,570 --> 01:28:32,970 years ago if he had told me in free controller. 1357 01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:36,300 Well, the river navigation is also nice because you hit right 1358 01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:39,030 arrow, it goes to the next item, you hit down arrow, it goes to 1359 01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:44,340 the next feed. Yes. See this. I now as a human have a map of all 1360 01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:49,830 these key key shortcut shortcuts of all different apps. I think 1361 01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:54,660 you're a savant when it comes to shortcut keys. No lobby you you 1362 01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:58,800 know, shortcut hotkeys for so many different apps 1363 01:28:58,860 --> 01:29:01,920 because it's so much faster than moving the mouse? 1364 01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,300 Yeah. And so I got I try to learn them but I have no 1365 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:08,190 capacity to remember them all. 1366 01:29:08,250 --> 01:29:12,240 It's like Hindenburg which is the I love Hindenburg editing 1367 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:21,900 software. Eight Now interesting. Lee it uses J K L. So L is I 1368 01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:25,140 can't do an obviously I'm recording on it is to just play 1369 01:29:25,140 --> 01:29:28,140 forward and you let go the L it stops you can hit spacebar and 1370 01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:32,460 it plays. But if you press L and K then it'll triple the speed so 1371 01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:36,840 you can rock through it. You can rock to a spot or J for for 1372 01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,700 backwards and the add the K and it speeds up. So yeah, I mean, I 1373 01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:44,880 love these things. It's just so it makes life so much easier. 1374 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,900 Thank you Chad Pharaoh for boosting the dip with 150,000 1375 01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:56,370 Cool man. Chad Pharaoh again 3333 through fountain and he 1376 01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:57,930 says this shit is lit 1377 01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:01,230 yes It is up 1378 01:30:02,010 --> 01:30:05,460 Nomad Joe since 2000 SATs through fountain and he says 1379 01:30:05,550 --> 01:30:12,210 Spotify who floydian slips flooding slips through fountain 1380 01:30:12,210 --> 01:30:17,640 nice and is 4567 SAS and he says advertising podcasting for value 1381 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,460 podcast one idiots attempt at starting a value for value 1382 01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:28,410 podcast going into 3333 sets from Carolyn and Carolyn through 1383 01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:31,470 esfri. Through curio caster, Carolyn says the safest podcast 1384 01:30:31,470 --> 01:30:36,390 that runs with scissors boost boost boost. Blueberry says 1385 01:30:36,420 --> 01:30:41,820 11,111 SATs through fountain and he says, What have you been most 1386 01:30:41,850 --> 01:30:44,580 grateful for during the build of podcasting? 2.0? 1387 01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:48,930 What have you been most grateful for? What have you been most 1388 01:30:48,930 --> 01:30:49,770 grateful for? 1389 01:30:51,060 --> 01:30:53,880 Hmm, I think it's like everything else in life, I 1390 01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,700 think. I think the thing I'm always most grateful for no 1391 01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:59,280 matter what you get involved in, it's just the relationships that 1392 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:04,020 you end up building with people. Not purely the friendships and 1393 01:31:04,020 --> 01:31:08,370 stuff and the relationships but but the nature of the working 1394 01:31:08,370 --> 01:31:12,240 relationship where you've you learned that you can, you know, 1395 01:31:12,420 --> 01:31:15,990 work with somebody to build something new and to create 1396 01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:19,620 something new, I think. I think you learn things about each 1397 01:31:19,620 --> 01:31:22,320 other and about yourself. I think it's just the I think it's 1398 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,520 the metaphysical part of it more than just the actual building of 1399 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,830 it. But I mean, when you stand back, of course, you know, I'm 1400 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,040 proud of the work but his face, the question is, what are you 1401 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,650 most grateful for? I would, I would say, just the shared work 1402 01:31:34,650 --> 01:31:35,190 itself. 1403 01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:40,710 I agree. I also like that in 20 years, we can all look back and 1404 01:31:40,710 --> 01:31:45,540 we'll say we did that. Yeah, yeah. And everybody and every, 1405 01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:48,180 every single person who works on this project was I was a part of 1406 01:31:48,180 --> 01:31:54,600 that. And it is my true belief that the work we are all doing 1407 01:31:54,630 --> 01:32:00,810 is very important. It's really important for I'm just gonna go 1408 01:32:00,810 --> 01:32:04,830 there for the future of the world. And when you when you 1409 01:32:04,830 --> 01:32:09,600 hear how stuff is being clamped down, and just you can't talk, 1410 01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:14,610 no, we are we are the resistance. Viva la revolution. 1411 01:32:15,810 --> 01:32:21,900 That's right. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Because I think I 1412 01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:24,420 firmly believe like what we talked about at the beginning 1413 01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:24,780 that 1414 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,310 or as Dave from x 22 says, I do believe, I do 1415 01:32:29,310 --> 01:32:35,820 believe that when whose hit the tide is going to turn at some 1416 01:32:35,820 --> 01:32:38,520 point, and it's going to complete we're going to have 1417 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,300 given these tools to all the wrong people to a bunch of 1418 01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:45,810 douchebags who think that we are the dead that that humanity is 1419 01:32:45,810 --> 01:32:49,200 stupid, and they're the smart ones. And that that thing's 1420 01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,260 gonna flip and it's gonna bite everybody in the rear. And at 1421 01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:55,230 that moment, everybody's gonna be very thankful that we built 1422 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,400 that we built also an open safety valve. Yep. Yeah. 1423 01:33:00,630 --> 01:33:03,840 The revolution here it is. The revolution will be lit. 1424 01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:08,940 Oh, I like it. That's a t shirt. That's a T that's a good t you 1425 01:33:08,940 --> 01:33:12,270 know what we need we Podcast Movement. When we go there in 1426 01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:14,160 Dallas, we're going to need to take some T shirts with us 1427 01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,710 probably. Or some stickers or something. 1428 01:33:17,130 --> 01:33:19,680 And we'll exchange those for sexual favors. 1429 01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:23,760 You what you do in your own time is your business. So we're 1430 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,370 sharing a room Dave I don't know what you're talking about. 1431 01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:36,240 My job is my business. Day se Macintosh sent us 10,000 SATs 1432 01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,880 and he says can I get a little love for my podcast generational 1433 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,440 wealth with cryptocurrency 1434 01:33:41,339 --> 01:33:42,929 boost? Yeah, 1435 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,780 I just posted episode 55 Last night I'm trying to get the set 1436 01:33:45,780 --> 01:33:47,820 flywheel turning go podcasting? 1437 01:33:47,850 --> 01:33:51,630 Yes, that's the one I think we network I think we hit the live 1438 01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:52,770 booster Graham's there. 1439 01:33:53,850 --> 01:33:58,590 This one was from June 17 at 11:35am. Ah 1440 01:34:00,390 --> 01:34:03,630 okay. That was a pre appreciate booth re lit. 1441 01:34:06,030 --> 01:34:15,240 Okay, I know you don't have this one. Dr. Dub 300,000 SATs. 1442 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,450 Is this the one I hit the button for? 1443 01:34:18,780 --> 01:34:20,460 Yes. Follow 1444 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:26,460 shot caller 20 blades on him. Paula. Holy crap. Thank you. 1445 01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:33,269 from Robert. See, this is from Robert Wiley. Thank you all. 1446 01:34:33,299 --> 01:34:35,759 Thank you for all you're doing I've posted what I've learned 1447 01:34:35,759 --> 01:34:39,749 from this podcast, sir Spencer and Josh chin on the website. 1448 01:34:40,019 --> 01:34:41,639 Music casting.org 1449 01:34:42,090 --> 01:34:44,700 onboard musicians Yeah, looking at that this morning. It's very 1450 01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:45,150 cool. 1451 01:34:45,870 --> 01:34:48,810 I printed it out and I had it in my notes talk about today. 1452 01:34:49,260 --> 01:34:53,430 I put it in the show notes music casting.org Okay. 1453 01:34:54,090 --> 01:34:57,300 It includes links to my four albums and a lecture on how 1454 01:34:57,300 --> 01:35:00,090 podcasting 2.0 and value for value offer new New 1455 01:35:00,090 --> 01:35:01,620 Opportunities for musicians. 1456 01:35:03,090 --> 01:35:07,890 Oh is like a why is this? Why does this keep ringing here? Oh, 1457 01:35:07,890 --> 01:35:12,270 it's ring I see. I'm sorry, is ringing here. Let me stop this 1458 01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:20,580 Oh, it's someone's calling me on signal and I saw the phone pop 1459 01:35:20,580 --> 01:35:24,120 up and I'm like, Why do I hear it on my computer door because I 1460 01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,130 had signal open on my computer. That's why 1461 01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:29,669 I should read that note again. Yes, please do. Yes, it's from 1462 01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:33,419 Robert Wiley 300 1000s as is what he gave us and he says, 1463 01:35:33,689 --> 01:35:36,179 Thank you for all you're doing. I've posted what I've learned 1464 01:35:36,179 --> 01:35:39,569 from the, from this podcast, sir Spencer and Josh chan on the 1465 01:35:39,569 --> 01:35:43,739 website music casting.org to help onboard musicians. It 1466 01:35:43,739 --> 01:35:46,709 includes links to my four albums and a lecture on how podcasting 1467 01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:50,759 2.0 and value for value offer new opportunities for musicians. 1468 01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:56,610 I'm going to put in music casting, use it to CS music 1469 01:35:56,610 --> 01:35:57,960 casting.org I 1470 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,620 think it is yes, music. 1471 01:36:01,650 --> 01:36:05,130 Yeah, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put that in the show notes. What 1472 01:36:05,130 --> 01:36:08,490 is this? This, by the way is the stuff that makes it work. You 1473 01:36:08,490 --> 01:36:10,620 know, thinking that you're going to do it with a marketing 1474 01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:13,140 department or anything like that. It's not how it works. 1475 01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:16,110 This is this. We need the people. The people need to stand 1476 01:36:16,110 --> 01:36:16,920 up and do this. 1477 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:19,020 We should have them on the show. 1478 01:36:20,490 --> 01:36:21,630 Okay, let's do it. 1479 01:36:22,170 --> 01:36:25,440 Why not? All the meat we need we need to pull all the music guys 1480 01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:26,040 in on the show. 1481 01:36:26,190 --> 01:36:27,990 Okay. It's important. 1482 01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:37,080 Thank you, Robert. Really appreciate that. Marlon, sent us 1483 01:36:37,110 --> 01:36:42,300 through fountain sent us 11,000 SATs and he says Dave is a 1484 01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:47,730 chubby guy in my mind. Okay. I'm husky. 1485 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,060 Let me see. That's wrong, bombshell. No. 1486 01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:57,600 Yeah. That's it's just quite wrong. No. Comic Strip blogger 1487 01:36:57,630 --> 01:37:05,490 the delimiter 15,033 sets. Comic Strip. Comic Strip, comic strip 1488 01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:12,300 comic. Con extreme comic strip strip. singalong comic strip. 1489 01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:18,990 We'll give him some props. He's been supporting the show every 1490 01:37:18,990 --> 01:37:20,010 single episode. 1491 01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:24,600 Greetings from Eurotrash continent to podcasting. 2.0 1492 01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:24,930 team 1493 01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:28,170 Hello Euro trash continent. 1494 01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:32,309 Dave Jones, your trash incontinent these Dave Jones and 1495 01:37:32,309 --> 01:37:40,139 AC is podcast index.org ESG compliant. Are we are with ESG 1496 01:37:40,139 --> 01:37:41,099 comply think we are? 1497 01:37:43,110 --> 01:37:46,830 No, we would lose on a lot of fronts where we win on the 1498 01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:50,850 saving the Earth with POD ping. We totally lose due to lack of 1499 01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:52,170 diversity. 1500 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,840 Unless you were just two white dudes. There 1501 01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:55,260 you go. 1502 01:37:55,290 --> 01:38:00,180 Yeah, there you go. And I also have two trucks that combined 1503 01:38:00,180 --> 01:38:02,250 for a total of less than 30 miles per gallon. 1504 01:38:03,810 --> 01:38:05,910 We're sure really a very bad man. 1505 01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:11,580 Yes. Anyways, Episode 33 of our podcast AI dot cooking about 1506 01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:13,680 artificial intelligence is dropping this Monday. Oh, you 1507 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,790 don't say it is spoken by Gregory William Forsythe Foreman 1508 01:38:17,790 --> 01:38:18,390 from Kent 1509 01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:23,880 also known as growth. Notes I was I was informed that people 1510 01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:27,000 keep saying GW F F now it's gruff. It's just go off. Okay, 1511 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:27,360 cool. 1512 01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,910 Okay, is spoken by gwass gruff so you're welcome to relish it 1513 01:38:32,940 --> 01:38:33,450 yo. 1514 01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:38,850 That's right. Let me hand out a boost maybe one of the 1515 01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:47,010 Thanks, everybody. Pop you heard from Fauci is popping off a can 1516 01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:49,500 of restless relish. So you can relish it. 1517 01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:55,260 Are you eating relish now after your cherry? No. Just trying to 1518 01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:56,640 understand your diet. Dave. 1519 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:04,950 I have pita chips. Yeah, I have. So by the time I get home from 1520 01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:09,330 my lunch fro so I leave the office at 12 Get here if 1215 1521 01:39:09,330 --> 01:39:13,830 start the show at 1230. So my lunch usually consists of a 1522 01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:17,610 plate of stuff I can rapidly grab out of the fridge and dump 1523 01:39:17,610 --> 01:39:20,940 onto a single plate on the way into the podcast. I 1524 01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:24,810 gotcha brother. I gotta listen to the podcast booth. 1525 01:39:25,230 --> 01:39:28,320 Yes. Thank you everybody has 1526 01:39:28,350 --> 01:39:32,640 any any monthly pay close? Yeah, yeah, but hopefully we had some 1527 01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:33,810 monthly pay pals. 1528 01:39:34,110 --> 01:39:41,730 No, we get some monthly. We're good. Terry Keller $5 are in car 1529 01:39:41,730 --> 01:39:47,400 and hugger Miller $5 Chris cow and $5 Jeffrey Rutherford. $5. 1530 01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:51,210 Jeremy Kevin not in dollars. Alex gates, the podcast 1531 01:39:51,210 --> 01:39:56,940 consultant $25 Thank you our calls. Paul Saltzman $22.22. 1532 01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,990 Thank you, Paul. Hey, pal, ducks. Is that a is that Sir 1533 01:40:00,990 --> 01:40:01,410 Paul? 1534 01:40:03,330 --> 01:40:06,060 There's still a couple of Sir Paul's, but it could be. I don't 1535 01:40:06,090 --> 01:40:07,020 I don't remember. 1536 01:40:07,380 --> 01:40:13,230 Damon Castle Jack the $15 David Norman. He have a picture studio 1537 01:40:13,230 --> 01:40:19,560 is $25 Derek J. Vickery. $21. Thank you, Derek. Jeremy guards 1538 01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:25,530 $5 Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5, Timothy Hudgens, my buddy $25. 1539 01:40:25,530 --> 01:40:27,930 And David would find $3. That's 1540 01:40:28,410 --> 01:40:32,040 all right, everybody, thank you so much. Again, value for value. 1541 01:40:32,490 --> 01:40:34,470 Whatever you get out of the project, whatever you get out of 1542 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:38,580 the podcast, just assign a number to it, and send that in, 1543 01:40:38,580 --> 01:40:41,190 keep the project going, please, so we don't have to go begging 1544 01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:44,370 at Marc Andreessen store. Although that would make 1545 01:40:44,370 --> 01:40:49,830 everybody really rich. I just want to point it out again. I'm 1546 01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:51,540 gonna keep I'm gonna keep pestering with this 1547 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,100 spec spec. And 1548 01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:58,590 we're going for a spec full on spec. Now really, really 1549 01:40:58,590 --> 01:41:02,010 appreciate it. Of course, we we'd like time, talent and 1550 01:41:02,010 --> 01:41:07,290 treasure. So even if you're not participating in sending value 1551 01:41:07,290 --> 01:41:10,470 through treasure, time and talent are highly appreciated. A 1552 01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:14,790 lot of people do a lot of great things for podcasting. 2.0 Even 1553 01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:19,350 just telling people about it is incredibly helpful. evangelizing 1554 01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:22,560 please and and let us know if you need any help. How can we 1555 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:27,000 help evangelize? We'll get our marketing team on it right away 1556 01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:32,280 to podcasting index.org down at the bottom. You can also send on 1557 01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:36,870 chain Bitcoin, which one set up? No one has done. It's always 1558 01:41:37,170 --> 01:41:43,020 Hey, man, hey, man, if only you set up an on chain, Bitcoin 1559 01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:46,710 donation QR code I could donate, but since you didn't, and then 1560 01:41:46,710 --> 01:41:51,060 you do it and then you never hear from him again. Let me go, 1561 01:41:51,090 --> 01:41:53,490 let me check the tally coin. I didn't actually check that. 1562 01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:54,030 Let's see. 1563 01:41:54,750 --> 01:41:57,750 In that way, it always goes like a man if you would only do so 1564 01:41:57,750 --> 01:42:00,810 and so I would do I would, you know I would get involved or 1565 01:42:00,810 --> 01:42:02,280 help out and then you do and they never show. 1566 01:42:02,370 --> 01:42:06,090 It's always well, with no agenda. What we've learned is 1567 01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:10,410 there is a category of people it's not big, but they're around 1568 01:42:10,830 --> 01:42:16,140 and it goes like this. They're always I was going to donate but 1569 01:42:16,140 --> 01:42:20,160 you said something that really pissed me off. This happens all 1570 01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:24,900 the time. Well, I can't donate now. I was contemplating how 1571 01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:28,830 much to send. Now I'm thinking should I send anything at all? 1572 01:42:29,610 --> 01:42:33,090 I had my finger over the mouse. Close. 1573 01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:38,460 A couple of bladed lit boosts booster Graham from Mitch from a 1574 01:42:38,460 --> 01:42:44,910 pod verse. He's got a full on row of ducks 22,222 Looking 1575 01:42:44,910 --> 01:42:47,550 forward to seeing you all the Podcast Movement Dallas, I might 1576 01:42:47,550 --> 01:42:50,700 need a new podcasting 2.0 t shirt because I don't fit in the 1577 01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:55,380 small anymore. Oh, welcome to independent development. Mitch. 1578 01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:58,470 That's exactly what happens. Welcome to Working from 1579 01:42:58,470 --> 01:43:01,950 home with all that Russ wood all that ramen and snickers bars 1580 01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:09,870 and see Mike 1768 SATs blowing the balance of my curio caster 1581 01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:15,390 SATs wallet. Fo Yes. And he says Marco Colin. I am impatiently 1582 01:43:15,390 --> 01:43:18,420 awaiting the addition of more podcasting 2.0 features in 1583 01:43:18,420 --> 01:43:21,090 overcast and I'm willing to test the alphas and betas if you 1584 01:43:21,090 --> 01:43:25,290 needed a human listener to help with QA and UA t tests I cannot 1585 01:43:25,290 --> 01:43:30,660 wait to boost the boardroom chat from overcast go podcasting I 1586 01:43:30,690 --> 01:43:35,700 don't think about value for value boosting from overcast 1587 01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:40,980 anytime soon market doesn't seem to I don't think he's interested 1588 01:43:40,980 --> 01:43:43,350 in that at this at this point in time. But 1589 01:43:44,100 --> 01:43:50,490 other features yeah other features for sure. Yep. Is that 1590 01:43:50,490 --> 01:43:55,080 it? We got it because I want to talk about something I did for 1591 01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:59,730 this a lot of no agenda to work because Alex was busy this week 1592 01:43:59,820 --> 01:44:04,200 adding features to in a tube and one thing that's been an issue 1593 01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:10,020 has been adding value blocks people claiming it in their 1594 01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:13,830 podcast wallet but yes did not support email. Yes. Well now. 1595 01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:18,570 Now he supports email but it brought up so that's that's a 1596 01:44:18,570 --> 01:44:28,890 soft issue. But now it brought up this other question. And it 1597 01:44:28,890 --> 01:44:35,520 goes like this al Alex and provides a service that is 1598 01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,270 bandwidth and processor intensive video transcoding 1599 01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:45,720 video, live streaming, video storage. So appear to denseness 1600 01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:53,490 is not a cheap thing to run and operate. Clearly. If you get any 1601 01:44:53,490 --> 01:44:58,890 popularity at all, you could be looking at quickly hundreds up 1602 01:44:58,890 --> 01:45:03,390 into the you know For five digits a month, if you don't 1603 01:45:03,390 --> 01:45:10,470 keep a check on it, so it brings up this idea of if I'm taking, 1604 01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:17,190 let's just make a song about it, no agenda tube itself. So takes 1605 01:45:17,190 --> 01:45:19,890 a slim put a bunch of videos on there. Well, if Texas slims 1606 01:45:19,890 --> 01:45:23,580 videos get very popular, and a lot of people start watching 1607 01:45:23,580 --> 01:45:32,700 them. Then Alex is serving the bandwidth. And let's just 1608 01:45:32,700 --> 01:45:36,990 imagine that Texas slim now takes him did put value bike in 1609 01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:43,950 there, but let's just say he did. If they, if this happens in 1610 01:45:43,950 --> 01:45:46,710 somebody's in a bunch of videos gets popular and website gets 1611 01:45:46,710 --> 01:45:50,190 popular and there's no value for value in it in the in the 1612 01:45:50,190 --> 01:45:52,920 creators don't put value for value blocks in their feeds, 1613 01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:57,900 then, then there would be no opportunity for streaming sets 1614 01:45:57,900 --> 01:46:05,880 for Alex. Correct. So what I did was as an experiment was put in, 1615 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:11,670 we're trying to devise this solution. And the ultimately 1616 01:46:11,670 --> 01:46:14,580 what we wanted to do is be something like like a dot well 1617 01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:21,840 known URL. So that no agenda so that when when the index sees a 1618 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:27,750 video, have no agenda coming from no agenda tube.com. When it 1619 01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:32,640 sees that as the feed URL source, it could go and check at 1620 01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:40,050 nogen to.com/dot. Well, dash known slash, some URL, in where 1621 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:45,120 we're at this special URL, the owner of nodes in the tube.com, 1622 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:53,340 would then have constructed a way to tell podcast platforms 1623 01:46:53,340 --> 01:46:57,750 and an app such as the index, did they want to get this 1624 01:46:57,750 --> 01:47:05,730 particular percentage of a fee? So then the index with that, in 1625 01:47:05,730 --> 01:47:11,700 begin to add a podcast, a value block to every video that is 1626 01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:17,880 served. Every video we know about from no agenda tube.com 1627 01:47:18,450 --> 01:47:22,920 begin to add a value block in there that only has a fee 1628 01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:27,210 percentage for no agenda tube.com. So essentially, these 1629 01:47:27,210 --> 01:47:31,770 are value blocks without the creator in it. And the reason, 1630 01:47:31,950 --> 01:47:36,420 and it's a direct funding for the platform serving the video, 1631 01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:38,610 rather than the Creator. 1632 01:47:39,570 --> 01:47:44,370 And you want you want the index to insert that. That split. 1633 01:47:45,150 --> 01:47:49,440 Yes. Like it's we're doing it now as just a way to test this 1634 01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:53,280 whole thing out. And so my question is, so like, right now, 1635 01:47:53,280 --> 01:48:01,800 if you go to Alex's live let me see if he's on there. Well, he's 1636 01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,010 got he's got a variable X set up, let me know what Texas slam 1637 01:48:05,010 --> 01:48:07,770 may not let me look at beef initiative. 1638 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:11,550 No, I don't 1639 01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:15,750 know. Thanks. Okay, go look for bait search for beef initiative 1640 01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:20,310 and podcast index. And you'll see that the only split in there 1641 01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,190 because he never claimed he has not yet claimed the podcast and 1642 01:48:23,190 --> 01:48:24,150 wallet for 1643 01:48:24,180 --> 01:48:30,240 yeah, there's this. This is not the best example. The Texas slim 1644 01:48:31,170 --> 01:48:37,320 feed. Okay. Because they may have a whole bunch of reasons 1645 01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,500 for that. Okay, there's a million people have been 1646 01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:43,950 managing this stuff and it was claimed incorrectly and let me 1647 01:48:43,950 --> 01:48:51,360 see if initiative. Alright. Yeah. Right. So yeah, I see it. 1648 01:48:51,480 --> 01:48:57,060 Well. So here, here's my here's, here's my, my initial response 1649 01:48:57,060 --> 01:49:00,390 to what is happening. I think it's a bad idea for podcasts 1650 01:49:00,390 --> 01:49:02,070 index to be inserting anything. 1651 01:49:03,150 --> 01:49:07,650 Okay. Why is my question the ethics of this and all the 1652 01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:07,890 things 1653 01:49:08,010 --> 01:49:15,480 why doesn't know agenda? So, for my money, I would say if you 1654 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:20,310 want to host on podcast index, here's the deal. Your feed will 1655 01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:24,240 include a split for no agenda to whether you claim your wallet or 1656 01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,990 not. Whether you are doing value for value or not, and he can 1657 01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:35,820 insert that into the feeds he creates. And and I presume, 1658 01:49:35,970 --> 01:49:38,730 well, I mean, it just comes down to how he wants to run that. 1659 01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:46,350 Breeze is an interesting example, where you cannot get 1660 01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:49,200 any old podcast and breeze it has to be value for value 1661 01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:54,120 enabled. Why wouldn't you say hey, you want to you want to use 1662 01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:58,710 no agenda tube, then you have to have a wallet. You have to have 1663 01:49:58,710 --> 01:50:05,010 it enabled. And, and the no agenda tool needs to take this 1664 01:50:05,010 --> 01:50:09,120 percent. Why? Why would any freebies in? 1665 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,740 Yeah, that's kinda though that's yeah, that was the old screw the 1666 01:50:13,740 --> 01:50:16,920 whole thing screw that no freebies but but it shouldn't be 1667 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:22,260 the feed should be the source of truth shouldn't be the feet. I 1668 01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:27,750 seems. Technically I understand why it makes sense to do it this 1669 01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:32,070 way. I think it puts us in the spot we may not want to be in. 1670 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:36,960 So that that was we'll see. Think about it, though. Okay, I 1671 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:42,180 think I may, we may have missed this, this part is that this is 1672 01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:49,320 not. Yes, you could put it in the feed. But here the the other 1673 01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:53,880 way that we thought about doing it was that no agenda tube.com 1674 01:50:54,570 --> 01:51:00,120 creates the file in the dot well known, say expressing to all 1675 01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,870 platforms that whenever that platform supports value for 1676 01:51:03,870 --> 01:51:09,690 value, that what they want is a 1% split or whatever this, you 1677 01:51:09,690 --> 01:51:13,710 know, 20% or whatever this thing is, so that we are we are 1678 01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:17,910 getting the information from the platform. It's not coming to the 1679 01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:20,490 feed, but we're still not just making it out willy nilly like, 1680 01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:20,640 Yeah, 1681 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,720 but it's, but you can't, but it's not the source of truth. We 1682 01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:31,260 have one source of truth. Feed, why can't just be put into the 1683 01:51:31,260 --> 01:51:31,680 feed? 1684 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,090 It could I could, I could, if you. I can see, I guess he 1685 01:51:39,090 --> 01:51:42,630 dropped. It could in this instance, because there is a 1686 01:51:42,630 --> 01:51:47,400 feed. I can imagine things in the future of other value for 1687 01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,500 value things that aren't feed based. 1688 01:51:50,220 --> 01:51:54,330 What I mean, I'm just pushing back, because you know, this is 1689 01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:54,660 just as 1690 01:51:54,660 --> 01:51:55,350 good, it's good. 1691 01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,190 I might have to think about this a little bit more. But it just 1692 01:52:05,190 --> 01:52:11,370 seems like why why would anyone trust us? I mean, of course, 1693 01:52:11,370 --> 01:52:14,700 we're, we're good guys. But why would anyone trust us to be 1694 01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:18,600 determining predetermining splits? And then, and then we're 1695 01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,640 gonna have to do it for everybody else. Because we can't 1696 01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,890 just say, Oh, no, that's only for NA, too. Well, I want to 1697 01:52:22,890 --> 01:52:26,850 have a 10% automatic split put in and I want to, 1698 01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:34,740 we'll see. Okay, so here's, here's the thinking that 1699 01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:38,760 originates this thing is that, and I know you agree with this, 1700 01:52:39,570 --> 01:52:45,840 that the platform needs to get paid to whether or not the 1701 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,860 creator gets paid, the platform can independently make a 1702 01:52:49,860 --> 01:52:57,180 decision. They want to they want to make a value for value play 1703 01:52:57,210 --> 01:53:02,040 themselves. Sure. And so since I've chosen to upload my video 1704 01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:07,230 content, to put it to your video, your videos are 1705 01:53:07,230 --> 01:53:13,950 awesome.com that, that me entitles that, you know that I'm 1706 01:53:13,950 --> 01:53:17,220 making that agreement with them that they can they can do their 1707 01:53:17,220 --> 01:53:20,910 own thing in there, man, I'm just using their platform. So 1708 01:53:20,910 --> 01:53:23,430 they want those. So you're you know, you're also videos.com 1709 01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:28,170 wants to make a value for value play for themselves. And they 1710 01:53:28,170 --> 01:53:33,270 need to be able to express in some way to the world that they 1711 01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:39,660 would they would like to cover their costs is 20% is a 20% fee. 1712 01:53:40,740 --> 01:53:45,510 And so if it's in the feed, if they are a service, 1713 01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,300 let's just distinguish split or fee, because that's two 1714 01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:51,750 different things. And we need to be very clear. So that's on top 1715 01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:56,910 of everything else a 20% fee. Fee. Yes. So and so not a part 1716 01:53:56,910 --> 01:53:59,130 of the split, it's a 20% fee. 1717 01:53:59,940 --> 01:54:03,960 Right? So it's a it's a it's a fee split. It's exactly what 1718 01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:06,270 podcast index does through our API, we add 1719 01:54:06,780 --> 01:54:09,750 a whole bunch like because there's there's a fee, there's 1720 01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:14,280 the g of a split of the 100%. And there's a fee, which is 1721 01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:19,650 charged on top of the 100%. Right, this is a fee. This is a 1722 01:54:19,650 --> 01:54:22,200 fee on top of the 100%. 1723 01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:27,720 Well, it's in this here, well, here's the thing going going 1724 01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:33,600 back to this example of a video that exists exist on on this 1725 01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,320 service, that doesn't have a value that where the Creator has 1726 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:38,790 never put in a value block. 1727 01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:41,940 i Yes, I understand. I'm just saying there's a difference 1728 01:54:41,940 --> 01:54:48,720 between a 20% split in the value block and a 20% fee. Because 1729 01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,650 that is technically I if I understand it properly. That is 1730 01:54:52,650 --> 01:54:57,180 technically something different in value for value. Yes. So why 1731 01:54:57,210 --> 01:55:02,070 a fee of 20% onto half of whatever the Creator asks or 1732 01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:07,560 doesn't ask at all versus, hey, if you're not interested, I'm 1733 01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:11,820 taking 100%. If you're interested, we need minimum 20. 1734 01:55:11,820 --> 01:55:13,800 If not get off have no agenda tube. 1735 01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:19,800 I think it's because of the expectations of the way. Because 1736 01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:27,210 what what it is, is a fee. It's not a share of the revenue. Like 1737 01:55:27,210 --> 01:55:30,270 when you say I want to take a split, that implies that the 1738 01:55:30,270 --> 01:55:34,380 Creator has something to do with it. If you're taking a fee, as a 1739 01:55:34,380 --> 01:55:39,420 fee for the service, I think it's a matter of like, language 1740 01:55:39,420 --> 01:55:43,410 around the whole thing of doing it. Because because they end up 1741 01:55:43,410 --> 01:55:47,490 being the same, like a 20%. If you take a 20% split, and that's 1742 01:55:47,490 --> 01:55:52,350 the de facto standard for that service, the 20% split, and a in 1743 01:55:52,350 --> 01:55:55,920 a fee of 20%. Or it's gonna get you the same thing. But it's, 1744 01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:01,290 it's more appropriately a fee than a split. Because using the 1745 01:56:01,290 --> 01:56:04,860 service, the service is charging a fee for the usage of the 1746 01:56:04,860 --> 01:56:08,910 service. Or asking for a fee, not charging, but asking for a 1747 01:56:08,910 --> 01:56:13,440 fee. Okay. I think ultimately, it ends up being the same, but 1748 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,750 the fee wording is seems more 1749 01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:18,420 appropriate. Well, the reason it's not the same is it's one 1750 01:56:18,420 --> 01:56:26,310 thing to use an app and get four or 5%, as a user, as a listener, 1751 01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:29,850 or a viewer is another than like, Well, wait a minute, this 1752 01:56:29,850 --> 01:56:34,320 is 20% more than I sent. I mean, that's, I don't know, maybe 1753 01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:38,700 that's just semantics for right now. Because we're still at the 1754 01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:43,230 should notice, should the index be maintaining this information? 1755 01:56:43,260 --> 01:56:45,960 And how do we where's our source of truth? We have to call up 1756 01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,710 Alex, is it still 20%? What if he, I mean, he he'll know 1757 01:56:49,709 --> 01:56:53,879 its dynamic is to see in this with the dot well known and like 1758 01:56:53,879 --> 01:57:01,289 said, This is just This is all just batting ideas around. The 1759 01:57:01,499 --> 01:57:05,519 dot well known thing, he controls it, so at any moment, 1760 01:57:05,519 --> 01:57:10,349 he can change it himself. The next time we check it, we'll see 1761 01:57:10,349 --> 01:57:13,439 the change and adjust our feet and adjust what we put back in. 1762 01:57:14,909 --> 01:57:20,099 And, yes, see, it's we're never it's never a manual process. 1763 01:57:20,099 --> 01:57:24,959 It's, it's him setting the thing, just like it's just 1764 01:57:24,959 --> 01:57:29,549 worse, just like Ellen URL, where you hit the you hit the 1765 01:57:29,549 --> 01:57:33,059 web, you hit the dot well known and it dynamically creates a 1766 01:57:33,389 --> 01:57:38,609 creates a an invoice for you. Except in this instance, we hit 1767 01:57:38,609 --> 01:57:42,719 the dot well known every let's just say every 10 minutes and 1768 01:57:42,929 --> 01:57:45,659 see that, oh, the fee has changed. And now we start 1769 01:57:45,659 --> 01:57:48,659 serving a different fee for the for everything on this platform. 1770 01:57:50,429 --> 01:57:52,709 May not be a good idea. But well, how 1771 01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:56,999 does podcasts index? Where do we get? Is our fee hard coded in? 1772 01:57:57,900 --> 01:57:59,970 Our fee is always been hard coded at 1%? 1773 01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,600 Yeah, but who's who takes it out? 1774 01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,710 I don't know. It's honor system. It's, uh, anybody can do it. If 1775 01:58:07,890 --> 01:58:11,790 they don't even have to, then you have to do we just ask for 1776 01:58:11,790 --> 01:58:11,910 it. 1777 01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:15,420 Right? We asked for it. But when the API serves it up, if someone 1778 01:58:15,420 --> 01:58:18,360 doesn't, if someone has changed their value block in their feed, 1779 01:58:18,390 --> 01:58:19,590 they can take us out? 1780 01:58:20,220 --> 01:58:23,700 No, no, we always we insert ourselves into it no matter 1781 01:58:23,700 --> 01:58:29,640 what. If they have us in it, we don't insert ourselves. If they 1782 01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:34,830 don't have us in it, we insert ourselves a 1%. And that's, so 1783 01:58:34,860 --> 01:58:37,320 it's just a diff. It's a difference between like, like 1784 01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,280 no, no agenda to may not be the, the perfect example. Because 1785 01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:45,300 you're right, he could just put a fee split in himself in the 1786 01:58:45,300 --> 01:58:50,850 XML. But you can imagine scenarios where there would be 1787 01:58:50,850 --> 01:58:54,090 other services, or maybe somebody just goes straight to 1788 01:58:54,090 --> 01:59:00,240 the page, or views the video. Maybe they just get a link to 1789 01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:04,770 the direct link to the mp4 and they never see the feed. There's 1790 01:59:04,770 --> 01:59:07,140 all these scenarios you can think of in the value for value 1791 01:59:07,140 --> 01:59:13,770 future where a dot well known address to express a fee is 1792 01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:14,820 would be helpful. 1793 01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,220 But it doesn't make any difference if you just go to the 1794 01:59:17,310 --> 01:59:20,850 to the website and you're playing without a value enabled 1795 01:59:20,850 --> 01:59:24,900 player doesn't matter. Who's poor. No one pays for it then. 1796 01:59:25,530 --> 01:59:28,890 Yeah, but imagine a volume that enabled me to imagine imagine 1797 01:59:28,980 --> 01:59:33,630 get out be Yeah. So get get lb you have the extension in your 1798 01:59:33,630 --> 01:59:39,510 browser. And you go and watch a video on no agenda tube.com with 1799 01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:43,560 a direct link to the mp4. There's no possibility to have 1800 01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:47,490 any metadata in that video that it would express that. But what 1801 01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:52,950 if there's a dot well known URL scheme that would express this 1802 01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:58,080 this desire to to get Albea dot extension and get ABI check that 1803 01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:03,330 every time it goes to a URL, it could check with the service and 1804 02:00:03,330 --> 02:00:08,730 say, Hey, do you do you watch? What's your fee rate? And then 1805 02:00:08,730 --> 02:00:12,390 it could display to the user watching the video, you know, 1806 02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:14,250 hey, this service, 1807 02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:17,490 right, but you could get that from that feed as well. And if 1808 02:00:17,490 --> 02:00:22,080 we, if we got a theme of fear, that's my problem. 1809 02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:27,540 Yeah, well, my good Alby example, just second ago, there 1810 02:00:27,540 --> 02:00:31,260 was no feed and there was no feed. It's a direct link to the 1811 02:00:31,260 --> 02:00:35,640 mp4. So imagine our signals are good. And so I understand. 1812 02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,330 But I still don't understand why, why this has why this, 1813 02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:44,820 there's, I'm not understanding what I think I'm hearing is you 1814 02:00:44,820 --> 02:00:47,760 want to make sure Alex gates doesn't get screwed on bandwidth 1815 02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,560 costs, I want to make sure that we're not trying to do stuff to 1816 02:00:52,590 --> 02:00:59,490 wrangle that into, you know, hosting is a very, very, very 1817 02:00:59,490 --> 02:01:04,470 complicated business. For exactly these reasons. I don't 1818 02:01:04,470 --> 02:01:07,800 know if what you're proposing is going to solve this problem. 1819 02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:13,830 I'm, I'm making it confusing, because I'm really talking about 1820 02:01:13,830 --> 02:01:18,180 multiple things at once. So that you're correct. The first thing 1821 02:01:18,180 --> 02:01:21,810 I'm talking about is that I don't want to see Alex get 1822 02:01:21,810 --> 02:01:24,990 screwed, or Alex or anybody else that runs a service like this, 1823 02:01:25,530 --> 02:01:30,150 get screwed because people begin to use their service. And it 1824 02:01:30,150 --> 02:01:36,420 gets popular, but most of them are not doing value for value. I 1825 02:01:36,420 --> 02:01:41,190 want them. People like Alex that run these services, to be able 1826 02:01:41,190 --> 02:01:44,310 to do their own value for value, no matter no matter what they 1827 02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:44,850 create. So 1828 02:01:44,850 --> 02:01:47,910 the first thing I would do is I would shut down the web access. 1829 02:01:48,690 --> 02:01:51,570 Because what's going to happen is exactly what already is 1830 02:01:51,570 --> 02:01:55,380 happening is Oh, free service. Let me upload my shit here. 1831 02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:59,580 That's exactly what happens. So and why because oh, look, I can 1832 02:01:59,580 --> 02:02:02,340 watch it here. And I can watch my live stuff here. First thing 1833 02:02:02,340 --> 02:02:05,760 I do is, Hey, you want to watch these videos. This is for 1834 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:10,530 podcasting. 2.0. Here's how it works. Every feed has a x 1835 02:02:10,530 --> 02:02:15,750 amount, 20% fee, whatever you want to call it. And if if you 1836 02:02:15,750 --> 02:02:18,750 don't want to receive your value for value, no problem we'll take 1837 02:02:18,750 --> 02:02:22,020 we'll take our 20% and we'll take all 100% or whatever you 1838 02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:25,500 want. Here's how you adopt adopted, here's how you get a 1839 02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:28,110 wallet. Here's how you do all these other things. We've got to 1840 02:02:28,110 --> 02:02:31,320 stop the free loading, the freemium, the free loading 1841 02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:35,100 stuff, that's for advertising, if he wants to do advertising, 1842 02:02:35,190 --> 02:02:39,210 then you can give stuff away for free. There's no free lunch. So 1843 02:02:39,210 --> 02:02:41,910 I don't even think he should have the web interface open 1844 02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:43,080 right now at all. 1845 02:02:44,190 --> 02:02:47,310 Well, I mean, that's that's one approach. But then you but 1846 02:02:47,310 --> 02:02:52,200 there's still, there's still the idea. There's still the idea of 1847 02:02:53,220 --> 02:02:57,960 if I just take a direct link to the mp4 video and send you a the 1848 02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:00,840 URL and you open it in your browser, your browser is going 1849 02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:04,500 to play it No, I understand. But then there's no, there's 1850 02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:07,950 literally no way to find out what the value 1851 02:03:07,950 --> 02:03:12,960 from value is not just a technology, it's a programming 1852 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,720 concept. It's a monetization model, you have to explain it to 1853 02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:23,400 your audience, you have to get the audience to play along. You 1854 02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:26,430 can't just say, Okay, we've we've locked it all down, it's 1855 02:03:26,430 --> 02:03:27,870 going to work, it won't work. 1856 02:03:29,190 --> 02:03:31,530 Well, if that's the case, then it won't work for platforms at 1857 02:03:31,530 --> 02:03:31,950 all. 1858 02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:34,950 Well, depends on what you mean, by platform, 1859 02:03:35,610 --> 02:03:39,660 we'll have a service like no genitive, if, but because No, no 1860 02:03:39,660 --> 02:03:45,750 genitive can't express within the content that that idea? 1861 02:03:45,930 --> 02:03:50,520 Well, okay, but what you're saying is, there's, there's a 1862 02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,730 percentage of people who listen to this very podcast on a 1863 02:03:53,730 --> 02:03:56,850 webpage on a shitty web page that comes out of my freedom 1864 02:03:56,850 --> 02:03:59,310 controller, and they just hit the play button there and 1865 02:03:59,310 --> 02:04:02,250 they're not contributing anything. Right? I mean, that's 1866 02:04:02,250 --> 02:04:10,050 going to be 96 to 98% of all people. Right? So that's the 1867 02:04:10,050 --> 02:04:13,230 numbers that a service or platform is going to be playing 1868 02:04:13,230 --> 02:04:17,310 with. Right? So the first the 1869 02:04:17,310 --> 02:04:19,740 first thing that's what I'm that's what I'm saying we need 1870 02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:20,460 to capture 1871 02:04:20,579 --> 02:04:22,769 to be you. So you What do you want to capture if someone 1872 02:04:22,769 --> 02:04:27,749 downloads the mp4? Understand, how would I want? 1873 02:04:27,990 --> 02:04:35,070 Yeah, what I want there to be a way to do is to express is to is 1874 02:04:35,070 --> 02:04:41,250 for the service or the platform to express directly that there 1875 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:47,130 is a value for value option. And that would be that would have to 1876 02:04:47,130 --> 02:04:51,780 be done through something like this, since there is no feed in 1877 02:04:51,780 --> 02:04:56,760 that scenario. So that extent browser extensions and other in 1878 02:04:56,760 --> 02:05:01,830 other platform technologies have a way to get that information 1879 02:05:01,830 --> 02:05:04,320 that value for value information. There's not since 1880 02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:05,220 there is no fee, 1881 02:05:05,250 --> 02:05:09,720 why is there no fee feed? When every single? Why does it why 1882 02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:14,130 doesn't just every everything on no agenda tube have a feed? Why 1883 02:05:14,130 --> 02:05:16,680 wouldn't every account have a feed? I don't understand. 1884 02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:19,860 It does. But if somebody goes and clicks on the link, like 1885 02:05:19,860 --> 02:05:23,670 you're talking about on the webpage, and that link happens 1886 02:05:23,670 --> 02:05:30,300 to go to no agenda tube, not to the no agenda to web web player, 1887 02:05:30,420 --> 02:05:33,180 but the no agenda to mp4 directly. 1888 02:05:33,209 --> 02:05:38,549 Yes. I understand that. So how does how does that get paid for? 1889 02:05:39,300 --> 02:05:40,530 That's what I'm trying to solve. 1890 02:05:41,370 --> 02:05:44,640 I don't understand how you're doing it. So I have a direct 1891 02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:47,880 link to an mp4 to download it, which may or may not be 1892 02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,250 something a lot of people do, I don't know, sounds like 1893 02:05:50,250 --> 02:05:52,350 something someone would do if they want to circumvent 1894 02:05:52,350 --> 02:05:58,710 providing value. Then how how do you express that so that there's 1895 02:05:58,710 --> 02:06:00,180 a fee, I don't understand 1896 02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:05,730 that you take your value block. And this is the idea. This is 1897 02:06:05,730 --> 02:06:09,750 the dot well known idea, you take the value block converted 1898 02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:13,500 into something, you express it as JSON or some a note some 1899 02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:18,690 format, or he could save an XML and XML and you put it at no 1900 02:06:18,690 --> 02:06:26,040 agenda tube.com/dot Well known slash value for value. And it's 1901 02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:29,400 a file that lives there. Now every time let's just use the 1902 02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:33,030 idea of the get Alby extension, every time I go, and I watch a 1903 02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:38,340 video on no agenda to.com Whether it's from a direct link 1904 02:06:38,340 --> 02:06:42,210 to the media file, or on the web page or anything like that. The 1905 02:06:42,210 --> 02:06:46,350 extension since it's a standard, the extension knows to check, no 1906 02:06:46,350 --> 02:06:49,440 agenda two.com/well known slash value for value. 1907 02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:54,000 Okay, so this is this is really trying to help out by giving 1908 02:06:54,030 --> 02:06:58,050 Alby something to use when there's no feed. Yes, that's not 1909 02:06:58,050 --> 02:06:58,890 podcasting. 1910 02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:03,390 Oh, yeah, no, but I mean, there's an Yeah, that's what I'm 1911 02:07:03,390 --> 02:07:06,600 saying. I'm saying two different things. I mean, there's the idea 1912 02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,330 of trying to help out services within podcasts, then there's 1913 02:07:09,330 --> 02:07:13,980 also this bigger idea of trying to have a way that value for 1914 02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:17,730 value can be expressed beyond just podcasts. 1915 02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:21,480 Okay, thank you. That was the lead that I didn't understand. 1916 02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:25,590 I'm all for that. But it's not a feed. It's not podcasting. And 1917 02:07:25,590 --> 02:07:29,100 we have to question what we're doing. Because if we're now are 1918 02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:32,220 we if we're going to be an index for value for value for all 1919 02:07:32,220 --> 02:07:37,410 types of other platforms and services, very interested in it, 1920 02:07:37,410 --> 02:07:38,640 but it's not podcasting? 1921 02:07:40,110 --> 02:07:43,680 I won't. This is this was an interesting experiment between 1922 02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:48,150 between me and Alex. And I think that, you know, his main his 1923 02:07:48,150 --> 02:07:51,420 user base and stuff is so small that it's, it's fine. It's okay 1924 02:07:51,420 --> 02:07:56,580 to do this and play around. But, you know, if if this did involve 1925 02:07:56,730 --> 02:08:03,270 a, if this did evolve into a standard? I could see us. I 1926 02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:05,640 mean, it wouldn't make sense to support it if it was a known 1927 02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:10,740 standard. Just like your URL and URL or anything like that. Do 1928 02:08:10,740 --> 02:08:15,300 you agree with that? Or no. 1929 02:08:18,540 --> 02:08:23,190 I mean, so I would love the value for value standard to be 1930 02:08:23,190 --> 02:08:26,700 exactly that the value for value standard. And I think it's 1931 02:08:27,150 --> 02:08:32,280 totally relevant to figure out a way to do that. But it's not 1932 02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:36,240 podcasting, podcasting. And I just got to be militant about 1933 02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:39,870 it, from my opinion. It's the feed the feed is the source of 1934 02:08:39,870 --> 02:08:44,490 truth. So it's okay that we can do other things to solve, but 1935 02:08:44,580 --> 02:08:47,880 it's literally pulling people away from podcasts, and we want 1936 02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:51,510 to bring them into apps. It's giving them a way to go outside 1937 02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:57,450 of apps. And I understand I mean, that for 15 years, I've 1938 02:08:57,450 --> 02:09:01,350 been doing value for value, maybe 4% actually contributes 1939 02:09:01,350 --> 02:09:05,400 value back the rest. Just take and don't give anything that 1940 02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:11,580 That's the fact. We push a lot of data every single week and we 1941 02:09:11,580 --> 02:09:15,960 pay for it, you know, we have a fixed price, because of the 1942 02:09:16,020 --> 02:09:19,290 crazy cash CDN that we use, which is basically part of the 1943 02:09:19,290 --> 02:09:26,130 downside. So you know, setting up a platform for value for 1944 02:09:26,130 --> 02:09:32,460 value is very interesting to me. Or, or making something that 1945 02:09:35,340 --> 02:09:41,730 that enables value for value. Outside of podcast apps for 1946 02:09:41,730 --> 02:09:45,090 platforms, it's of course, I'd love to see that I think it's 1947 02:09:45,090 --> 02:09:52,050 way off mission for us. Okay, I'm not saying we shouldn't do 1948 02:09:52,050 --> 02:09:54,900 it. I just haven't been convinced what when, when we're 1949 02:09:54,900 --> 02:10:02,730 doing things outside of a feed then We really do lose the 1950 02:10:02,730 --> 02:10:08,430 source of truth that everybody can take a look at. You know, I 1951 02:10:08,430 --> 02:10:11,820 can go to an RSS feed, I can see exactly what's going on. If it's 1952 02:10:11,820 --> 02:10:16,890 now an API. It just I don't know, it just doesn't feel 1953 02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:20,760 right. I understand where it's coming from, though. I really 1954 02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:25,650 do. Because I also want video to work. And I don't want anyone I 1955 02:10:25,650 --> 02:10:31,110 want Alex to make money. But anybody who provides this, but I 1956 02:10:31,110 --> 02:10:33,840 just don't know if this is the if this is the thing that 1957 02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:38,370 podcasts and 2.0 should be doing. Or the pot pot, let me 1958 02:10:38,370 --> 02:10:41,730 put it this way, if that should be folded into podcast index. 1959 02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:50,490 Right. Because I'd rather have get Alby, you know, be used in 1960 02:10:50,490 --> 02:10:56,220 an app. Yeah, it can I 1961 02:10:56,220 --> 02:11:01,800 understand. I understand that. Yeah. Yeah, I'll take it. I 1962 02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:08,910 think there's, there's some because we did you know, because 1963 02:11:08,910 --> 02:11:13,440 we do, we do things that are not always in the feed. 1964 02:11:17,460 --> 02:11:18,360 Such as 1965 02:11:18,750 --> 02:11:24,420 their whelming everything with with LM pay, and, you know, and 1966 02:11:24,420 --> 02:11:24,570 all 1967 02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:29,730 that, but the value block is, okay, well, technically, you're 1968 02:11:29,730 --> 02:11:32,970 absolutely right, when it comes to when it comes to value block, 1969 02:11:32,970 --> 02:11:37,230 but I think ultimately, we'd really love for, for a whole 1970 02:11:37,230 --> 02:11:41,670 bunch of reasons for that to also be reflected in a feed. And 1971 02:11:41,670 --> 02:11:45,300 not not just something that we store, that's a shim. And now we 1972 02:11:45,300 --> 02:11:49,890 have another shim for something that it's actually not even a 1973 02:11:49,890 --> 02:11:54,780 shim. It's, that's maybe whip so my objection comes from. It's 1974 02:11:54,780 --> 02:11:57,960 not a shim until the rest of the world has value blocks in their 1975 02:11:57,960 --> 02:12:04,230 feed. There's no feed. Right? It's now just doing an 1976 02:12:04,290 --> 02:12:10,230 individual content. I don't know. All of a sudden, it 1977 02:12:10,230 --> 02:12:11,670 sounded like a business to me. 1978 02:12:12,930 --> 02:12:15,420 Just it's a good discussion. And that's why I wanted Yes. Well, I 1979 02:12:15,420 --> 02:12:19,290 wanted to bring it up to you. Because there's, there's 1980 02:12:19,290 --> 02:12:25,080 obviously ethics involved in any ethics, don't trouble me to the 1981 02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:27,810 ethics Don't trouble me too much. Because, again, I mean, 1982 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:31,170 value for value is always voluntary. It's completely 1983 02:12:31,170 --> 02:12:34,260 voluntary. And if, if there's an extension in your browser that 1984 02:12:34,260 --> 02:12:38,310 pops up and says, Hey, this video, you know, this nogen tube 1985 02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:41,580 supports value for value, do you want to give them a fee for 1986 02:12:41,580 --> 02:12:45,480 watching this video? To me, there's nothing wrong with that. 1987 02:12:45,480 --> 02:12:50,070 No, no, it's not wrong at all. But the difference is, it's not 1988 02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:57,420 necessarily a podcast. Yeah. So it's a value for me, dude, we 1989 02:12:57,420 --> 02:13:02,220 can tomorrow, we can start a value for value index. I mean, 1990 02:13:02,220 --> 02:13:07,200 that's, that's a great idea. But I think I think there'll be very 1991 02:13:07,200 --> 02:13:13,020 few platforms that will that will do this. And I still think 1992 02:13:13,020 --> 02:13:18,420 there's some, there's some we need to think through what 1993 02:13:18,420 --> 02:13:25,500 exactly the way I know agenda tube started as a an alternate 1994 02:13:25,500 --> 02:13:28,050 place, you can upload some videos, and it's all kind of low 1995 02:13:28,050 --> 02:13:32,340 usage. Then we started talking about using the video aspect for 1996 02:13:32,340 --> 02:13:37,110 podcasts. And, you know, we know how the monetization for that 1997 02:13:37,110 --> 02:13:43,290 works. But now, it's now we're talking about value for value 1998 02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:50,100 enabling platforms. I don't know if we want to be a part of that. 1999 02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:53,940 I don't know that we want to be a part of that either. I'm not 2000 02:13:53,940 --> 02:13:58,620 going to disagree with that at all. I guess I see it as part of 2001 02:13:58,650 --> 02:14:03,720 the work. I see us being associated with things like this 2002 02:14:04,140 --> 02:14:10,290 with ways to push these things forward. Because we are you know 2003 02:14:10,290 --> 02:14:14,340 we're just like we're involved in Alan Yarrow and trying to 2004 02:14:14,340 --> 02:14:17,430 make that better with in more supportive of value for value 2005 02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:21,030 and increase and and we're, you know, we're involved in a lot of 2006 02:14:21,030 --> 02:14:26,280 things outside of just purely podcasting, just because they 2007 02:14:26,280 --> 02:14:31,710 are sort of tangential to the whole idea of a value for value 2008 02:14:31,710 --> 02:14:35,220 world and stopping all the free loading. So I can see as being 2009 02:14:37,050 --> 02:14:40,920 okay, value for value does not stop all the freeloading ever. 2010 02:14:41,700 --> 02:14:44,280 Again, the numbers are 4% 2011 02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:48,930 Right. We want the free. idealistically we want the 2012 02:14:48,930 --> 02:14:51,600 freeloading to stop. Free loadouts are 2013 02:14:51,690 --> 02:14:56,970 right but we can only stop the free loading in in the podcast 2014 02:14:56,970 --> 02:15:04,800 realm. I don't know. I, I can't say one way or the other, it 2015 02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,560 just doesn't feel right. We're always talking about the source 2016 02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:10,170 of truth. And now we've just removed the source of truth and 2017 02:15:10,170 --> 02:15:16,890 said, Okay, we'll do this for anything. Oh, yeah. I guess we 2018 02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:20,190 just it just seems outside of our scope. That's all when 2019 02:15:20,190 --> 02:15:24,360 there's no feed, your anything could be, you know, me. You can 2020 02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:28,170 put almost anything. You got an escort service, put something 2021 02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:32,010 put make some content, and do whatever you want to do. That's 2022 02:15:32,010 --> 02:15:32,880 a podcast. 2023 02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:41,700 Yeah. 100%? No, believe me. I, I agree with you on on the fact 2024 02:15:41,700 --> 02:15:46,800 that as the index and add as podcast index, our focus is 2025 02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:52,320 podcasts. And that that's where we that's the domain we stay in. 2026 02:15:54,210 --> 02:15:58,440 My only my only thing is that we also are involved in other 2027 02:15:58,440 --> 02:16:04,350 things by by association. I mean, the same reason we go and, 2028 02:16:04,410 --> 02:16:08,760 you know, attend the lightning labs roundtable. Sure, sure. Of 2029 02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:12,450 course, but and we're involved in Alien URL L in URL. I mean, 2030 02:16:12,450 --> 02:16:15,480 that has nothing to do with Elon URL has nothing to do with 2031 02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:19,500 podcasting, per se, other than the fact that it's just it just 2032 02:16:19,500 --> 02:16:23,670 a happenstance that it comes into play there. And that's what 2033 02:16:23,670 --> 02:16:26,130 I'm saying. I don't think it's inappropriate for us to be 2034 02:16:26,130 --> 02:16:29,100 involved in trying to figure out help figure out solutions to 2035 02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:34,560 these problems. Even if we're not involved in it directly by 2036 02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:38,340 saying, Okay, here we go. We're gonna support all of this stuff. 2037 02:16:39,450 --> 02:16:44,220 Where we, you know, we stay in the podcast realm, but you know, 2038 02:16:44,220 --> 02:16:46,200 it is it is nice to some, I think we 2039 02:16:46,769 --> 02:16:50,309 both gonna, but we're not putting LIGHTNING, LIGHTNING 2040 02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:53,219 labs elements into the index into our database. 2041 02:16:54,270 --> 02:16:58,110 Sure. Yeah. Right. This stuff doesn't even exist yet. And 2042 02:16:58,110 --> 02:16:59,520 blue, this is all an experiment 2043 02:16:59,550 --> 02:17:04,920 right now. Gotcha. And we'll talk about this on the next show 2044 02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:10,020 is this is a conversation really worth having? Because it's a 2045 02:17:10,020 --> 02:17:13,860 really good one about how do we value for value enable the media 2046 02:17:13,860 --> 02:17:18,810 landscape. I'm just saying, I don't think that's what podcast, 2047 02:17:19,170 --> 02:17:24,780 index and podcasting. 2.0 is, I have no problem. Working on it, 2048 02:17:24,780 --> 02:17:29,580 I believe me, I like making more money. I have lots of content 2049 02:17:29,580 --> 02:17:37,020 that is never monetized. But the play that I understood was okay, 2050 02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:43,260 this would be great. We can do live, we can do video, and we 2051 02:17:43,260 --> 02:17:46,740 value for value, enable it. And my personal recommendation would 2052 02:17:46,740 --> 02:17:51,210 be if you know, if you're not using this for podcasting value 2053 02:17:51,210 --> 02:17:56,400 for value, then we're going to take the money, the platform, 2054 02:17:57,150 --> 02:18:00,750 here's how here's how you get you know, outside of the 20% fee 2055 02:18:00,750 --> 02:18:04,800 that we take, here's how you do it. And no free loading on the 2056 02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:08,820 website. Not no website, you want to watch these videos, get 2057 02:18:08,820 --> 02:18:10,230 one of these beautiful apps. 2058 02:18:12,390 --> 02:18:17,250 To me, See, to me, it feels better, to instead of shutting 2059 02:18:17,250 --> 02:18:22,920 down the entire web interface, it feels better to design ways 2060 02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:26,280 to express to the user that what they're doing actually costs 2061 02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:28,890 money and ask them to help. 2062 02:18:29,519 --> 02:18:34,619 Right. But you're but you're doing you're you're asking them 2063 02:18:34,619 --> 02:18:38,729 to help by saying, Oh, you can also do it this way. With Alby. 2064 02:18:39,119 --> 02:18:44,069 No podcast necessary. Fine. Yeah, fine. But why does Why do 2065 02:18:44,069 --> 02:18:47,669 we have to be the ones? That should? It? Should there be a 2066 02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:50,369 resource for that? Probably, I'm just wondering if that should be 2067 02:18:50,369 --> 02:18:50,789 us. 2068 02:18:51,810 --> 02:18:55,920 The only reason it should be should is not the right word. 2069 02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,480 The only reason it could and can be us that has input on these 2070 02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:06,570 things, is that we care a lot about it. And we're trying to 2071 02:19:06,570 --> 02:19:11,100 push the entire value for value space forward instead of just 2072 02:19:11,460 --> 02:19:12,570 you know Yeah, I mean, 2073 02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:16,620 I personally I like to push the podcasting value for value space 2074 02:19:16,620 --> 02:19:21,330 forward. I really I mean that sincerely. That's where my heart 2075 02:19:21,330 --> 02:19:27,090 is. And but there's a million other what I mean, why not be 2076 02:19:27,090 --> 02:19:30,480 the Okay, we'll maintain the value block for your word Oh, 2077 02:19:30,480 --> 02:19:36,090 game. I mean, we can do all of that. But I just don't know if 2078 02:19:36,090 --> 02:19:37,230 that's what we should be doing. 2079 02:19:39,930 --> 02:19:42,450 I get you 100% Take your point. 2080 02:19:44,430 --> 02:19:45,810 Which means fuck you curry 2081 02:19:47,010 --> 02:19:50,460 does not mean that at all. No, it doesn't mean that at all. I 2082 02:19:50,460 --> 02:19:56,400 mean, I literally have in my notes, you know, feeds value for 2083 02:19:56,400 --> 02:20:00,960 value. They have this the ethics of a value block when no block 2084 02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,820 exists in the feed that 2085 02:20:03,899 --> 02:20:09,509 that is the question. That's the question. Okay, well now I've 2086 02:20:09,509 --> 02:20:12,539 got stuff to think about. I also have exactly 30 minutes to post 2087 02:20:12,539 --> 02:20:15,689 produce and get on the road because we are having dinner in 2088 02:20:15,689 --> 02:20:22,139 Austin tonight. You Yeah, you did. Hey, don't mute yourself. 2089 02:20:22,139 --> 02:20:26,429 That's weird. Did your dog there was your dog barking? 2090 02:20:27,240 --> 02:20:29,430 my notepad. I picked up my notepad. I was sitting there 2091 02:20:29,430 --> 02:20:32,190 talking in my notepad had hit my mouse, but 2092 02:20:33,180 --> 02:20:35,490 yeah, don't mute don't mute. Everything's fine. 2093 02:20:36,780 --> 02:20:39,030 No, I had a big long soliloquy. You didn't even hear it? 2094 02:20:39,060 --> 02:20:41,490 No, I heard all of it. You were only muted for a moment. That 2095 02:20:41,490 --> 02:20:45,780 was good. Yeah. Okay. Okay, this is good stuff to think about. 2096 02:20:45,780 --> 02:20:48,060 Now, I'm gonna have to sit in the car for an hour and a half 2097 02:20:48,060 --> 02:20:51,870 and think about this. Because I see the opportunity day I see 2098 02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:57,360 the opportunity. The one thing I learned from Steve Jobs, my big 2099 02:20:57,360 --> 02:21:02,310 takeaway is the following key said, Adam, we as a company, we 2100 02:21:02,310 --> 02:21:06,840 say no more than anything. So what do you mean? So we just 2101 02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:11,250 want to do what we have set out to do really well. And we try to 2102 02:21:11,250 --> 02:21:14,730 stay away from everything else, because the experience shows 2103 02:21:14,730 --> 02:21:19,380 that it just turns out to be a distraction. See, Apple TV. 2104 02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:24,570 Makes sense? Perfect sense. 2105 02:21:25,380 --> 02:21:28,350 So that's so that's where that's where this is coming from at a 2106 02:21:28,350 --> 02:21:34,110 deeper level. Making value for value work for the entire world. 2107 02:21:34,380 --> 02:21:40,170 Of course, I'd love it. But you know, it's like, we can only do 2108 02:21:40,170 --> 02:21:45,240 so much. And there's so much to do in our realm that you know, 2109 02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:49,020 when I look at stacker news, well, that was fun for three 2110 02:21:49,020 --> 02:21:54,300 seconds until everyone you know, doesn't do it anymore. And the 2111 02:21:54,300 --> 02:21:59,610 reason is, it's not the full value for value loop. Right it's 2112 02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:02,130 you can't just say it technically I've got it How come 2113 02:22:02,130 --> 02:22:05,490 it's not working? Well, because you need as a as a creator, you 2114 02:22:05,490 --> 02:22:08,820 need to do some work. You need to get people to understand that 2115 02:22:08,820 --> 02:22:12,420 you need to onboard your people. You need to explain to them how, 2116 02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:17,730 you know, the nuances of it. The there's so much to do. It's not 2117 02:22:17,730 --> 02:22:21,870 just it's not like programmatic ads. Hey, reminder, watch this 2118 02:22:21,870 --> 02:22:26,880 ad because you know it's a big lift. 2119 02:22:28,650 --> 02:22:30,390 big lift. Yeah. 2120 02:22:31,050 --> 02:22:33,330 I feel like going out on a downer. This isn't just that 2121 02:22:33,330 --> 02:22:35,190 doesn't feel good. No, I've 2122 02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:36,330 got an ISO. Okay. 2123 02:22:38,010 --> 02:22:41,310 All right. Is it the one the only one you have 2124 02:22:41,310 --> 02:22:43,410 here? Yes, it is the only one 2125 02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:49,740 damn, who were you talking about? Up? Brother To be 2126 02:22:49,740 --> 02:22:52,920 continued Next Friday. What do you say? Yeah, let's do it. 2127 02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:55,050 We'll see you then. Everybody. Take 2128 02:22:55,050 --> 02:23:15,720 care. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcasts 2129 02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:24,030 index.org for more information. Pew pew pew pew