Episode 94: Bells Out

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,330 Oh, broadcasting 2.0 for July 22 2020 to Episode 94 We got our 2 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:11,400 bells out. Hello everybody, it's time once again for the official 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,450 board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening at podcast 4 00:00:15,450 --> 00:00:18,630 index.org What is the latest with the podcast standards, the 5 00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:23,190 namespace, and of course we go through all the nutjob ideas we 6 00:00:23,190 --> 00:00:26,490 come up with on podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here 7 00:00:26,490 --> 00:00:29,550 in the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama ladies 8 00:00:29,550 --> 00:00:32,130 you can meet him in person at Podcast Movement, my friend on 9 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:35,400 the other end. Mr. Dave Jones. 10 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:38,670 Yes, ladies, 11 00:00:38,940 --> 00:00:44,940 ladies meet him in person. Get get a selfie with Dave the pod 12 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:46,080 sage. 13 00:00:47,490 --> 00:00:51,150 I made two discoveries to musical discovery. Oh, on the 14 00:00:51,150 --> 00:00:55,110 way home, you know, of course I do this on the way I do this. I 15 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:59,520 get off work on Fridays. And during during the summers, we're 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,160 off the rest of the day. We do have a summer we do. And then 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,670 the rest of the years. Do this on my lunch break. So right now, 18 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:11,640 on the way home from work. I was listening to some to some Steve 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Perry. And that guy is Sammy Hagar voice is interesting. Or 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,780 Steve Perry are the exact same person. 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,310 I've met both of them. And I can assure you that in no way. Are 22 00:01:26,310 --> 00:01:29,400 they the same person at all whatsoever. 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,150 retract this conspiracy theory. 24 00:01:33,149 --> 00:01:37,109 No, I hear what you're saying. But no, no, Sammy Sammy was the 25 00:01:37,109 --> 00:01:42,449 one that that egged me on to think about MTV. Oh, really? 26 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:46,919 Yeah. When he came to visit he was with Van Halen, then in 27 00:01:46,919 --> 00:01:53,669 Holland. And you know, the Alex and Alex and Eddie are Dutch. 28 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:57,570 That's right. Yeah. Okay. I remember that. I remember when 29 00:01:57,570 --> 00:01:59,670 they had short hair also, when they cut their hair really 30 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:01,230 short. Yeah. Yeah. That was 31 00:02:01,230 --> 00:02:04,620 like that was towards the end, right? Yeah. Van Halen. Yeah. 32 00:02:04,620 --> 00:02:04,740 And 33 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:09,930 so that's when they were on the show. And, and I had my glorious 34 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:12,300 blonde locks. And so we're doing the interview, and all of a 35 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,480 sudden Alex pulls out these big scissors. Like, come on curry. 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,990 We're making you join our club. Like, no. 37 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:24,630 Get away from me with him, but he pulled. So he pulled out the 38 00:02:25,290 --> 00:02:30,360 Yeah. Exactly. An early version of running with scissors. Hey. 39 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:33,360 Yeah, that's the 40 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:39,660 the other musical discovery I made was that songs don't have 41 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:45,090 interludes anymore. interludes. Yeah, so like, you know, like a 42 00:02:45,090 --> 00:02:48,720 good you have like, your verse, your intro, your verse, chorus 43 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,600 verse chorus, Brunello? Yes, the solo? Well, there's no if you 44 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:58,590 squeezed in the middle another there's another section is just 45 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:02,310 a musical interlude where it would just be they go into just 46 00:03:02,310 --> 00:03:05,970 some different section and they just hang out there for 30 47 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:09,180 seconds or a minute and just do something different and then 48 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:11,250 they go back into the song like that doesn't happen and you 49 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:11,670 know, 50 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:15,150 well, that's because tick tock owns the music business. You got 51 00:03:15,150 --> 00:03:19,080 to get your hook out within 20 seconds. And then maybe, maybe, 52 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,820 maybe it'll catch 53 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:24,150 but that's how and if you're if you're an artist, and you don't 54 00:03:24,150 --> 00:03:27,150 pimp yourself and your song on Tik Tok they fired you. 55 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:30,330 And you pretty much every record companies, no matter how big the 56 00:03:30,330 --> 00:03:34,470 artists you gotta get on Tik Tok. Oh, that's there's there's 57 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:40,230 huge scams going on. I think there's placement, the there's 58 00:03:40,230 --> 00:03:42,960 payment for placement, the algos, I'm sure are being 59 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,200 manipulated for pay. I mean, this is a lot going on over 60 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,690 there. It's such a black box. Not a black box is value for 61 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:54,300 value. And I don't know something it feels to me like 62 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,810 something tip. Something that you know, we went over some kind 63 00:03:57,810 --> 00:04:02,820 of, well, let me say a tipping point. She's just she just 64 00:04:02,820 --> 00:04:07,890 started taking off. I mean, Todd Cochran, two shows in a row is 65 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:10,980 just Mr. Booster grab, which is called them Todd booster. Graham 66 00:04:10,980 --> 00:04:12,150 Cochran from now on. 67 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:15,120 TBC it is. 68 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:19,530 I mean, I hear this, but I just wonder what happened. It's like 69 00:04:19,530 --> 00:04:22,710 all of a sudden, maybe it's because he had the experience. 70 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:24,900 He got his umbrella up and running and you start seeing 71 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:26,760 SATs come in. Is that Is that what it is? 72 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:32,010 I don't know. Maybe or maybe he just rediscovered? He said 73 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:35,400 somebody started getting him to listen to the show again. Oh, 74 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,390 right. He had taken a good taking a break from from 75 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:41,310 podcasting. 2.0 which is not allowed. 76 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:45,540 No, I mean, I mean, that's against company policy. Yeah, he 77 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:45,720 can 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,850 be on the board. If he knows you have to the board meeting, 79 00:04:48,090 --> 00:04:52,620 please. Or at least you know, this is like the notes. If you 80 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:55,290 can't listen live, you can't attend the meeting. Then at 81 00:04:55,290 --> 00:04:56,790 least you get the board notes. 82 00:04:58,020 --> 00:04:59,520 The minutes, the minutes 83 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,230 that thank you So that's the word I was looking for the 84 00:05:01,230 --> 00:05:04,740 minutes. Let's write those up every week. You can't just oh 85 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:08,100 that's interesting. So well then must have been listening to us 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,100 doing everything lit where he felt the excitement you hear 87 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,100 that your everyone heard a couple of cues coming already. 88 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,690 It's an incredible motivator is his value for value thing. It's 89 00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:24,960 it and Cridland has not stopped doing booster Graham corner. And 90 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:29,130 I mean, it's this is now just a de facto way of talking back to 91 00:05:29,130 --> 00:05:32,430 shows. It's really nice. 92 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:35,010 And we found out yesterday. 93 00:05:35,010 --> 00:05:37,500 Yeah. You didn't know about this. You hadn't gotten a secret 94 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,300 little tip off? No, 95 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,370 no, I had no I had no clue. They. So I mean, the first thing 96 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:50,010 I heard of it was was Sam Seth, he's tweet about it on Twitter. 97 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:54,030 Tell us tell us what happened now. Well, I mean, if people 98 00:05:54,030 --> 00:05:59,820 listen to pod Lando, they did an interview with with Morris from 99 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:05,460 Alby. And he revealed in there that rss.com is doing an 100 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:08,490 integration with Alby so you can launch a podcast or wallet 101 00:06:08,550 --> 00:06:15,810 directly from their UI using our using lb. And they'll go ahead 102 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:18,660 and put the out put everything the value block straight in your 103 00:06:18,660 --> 00:06:23,820 RSS feed. Oh, phenomenal. I mean, I had no idea and I pinged 104 00:06:23,910 --> 00:06:26,760 Alberto I was like, Wow, that's amazing. Congrats. That's, 105 00:06:26,850 --> 00:06:28,830 that's incredible. In 106 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:32,430 there to play it off. Like, yeah, you know, we just we just 107 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:33,960 met cool, what do you say? 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,520 No, he sent me back a screenshot of of their unreleased, you 109 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,770 know, the way it's gonna look, he's like, here's the, here's 110 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:43,650 the top secret, tentative screenshot of the way the UI 111 00:06:43,650 --> 00:06:47,790 looks, looks great. It looks fine. It looks just like you 112 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:50,580 would think it would be where you do an integration. Now, you 113 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:53,640 know, like, you could do it one of two ways. And I've had 114 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,540 discussions with hosts before about this, you can do an you 115 00:06:57,540 --> 00:07:01,530 could do like an integration types style thing where you, you 116 00:07:01,890 --> 00:07:06,720 kind of hook out to another service and launch a wallet and 117 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,500 then get the get the details and then go and put those in the 118 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:14,730 feed and right but then, but then the knowing that the user 119 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:17,520 is going to need to go manage their wallet, everything from 120 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,520 that other side or that other service. It's like we're, we're 121 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,970 helping you recruit we're facilitating the creation of 122 00:07:23,970 --> 00:07:27,060 anatomy wallet for you and going ahead and in referencing it in 123 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:30,750 the feed, and sort of like 124 00:07:31,980 --> 00:07:34,950 wallet management is still done with Alby I mean all of that 125 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:35,790 separate right 126 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,670 that's my understand that makes my understanding is right now 127 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:41,520 unless the endless not right, but man 128 00:07:41,550 --> 00:07:45,180 Hagen Can I just say God bless the Germans. The Hallo, 129 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:49,020 Deutschland. Here's the half. Man. This is so cool, man. Those 130 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:51,330 guys got got balls of steel over there. 131 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,590 Yeah, we got. We got Michael. coming on in August coming on 132 00:07:55,590 --> 00:08:00,000 and then Oh, yeah. Couple weeks. Yeah. Okay him about all the 133 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,420 deets. 134 00:08:00,450 --> 00:08:05,610 So if Oh, please. DT. What? So when does this launch she knows 135 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:08,940 this close to launch must be announcing it. She's talking 136 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:09,390 about it. 137 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,680 I think it's Monday. That was my that was my read Holy crap. 138 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,920 What a game changer. You know, this is this is I feel this, 139 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,610 like, I had this wave kind of like, oh, this is so good. 140 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:25,950 Because here you have this hosting industry, which also by 141 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:28,650 itself has been a little bit stagnant over the past 10 years, 142 00:08:28,650 --> 00:08:32,940 for obvious reasons, the holy everything, the whole space, the 143 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:40,200 space was constricted man. By by our own brains. It's going to 144 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,920 create new competition. You know, I hear Todd talking about 145 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,950 and not just the wallets, but the whole namespace. I hear Todd 146 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:50,820 talking to his development team saying, Hey, guys, you got to 147 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:54,120 look at some more of this namespace stuff. You get to 148 00:08:54,210 --> 00:08:58,050 Buzzsprout of course, is is a head with, with a lot of 149 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,550 implementation of a lot of tags. I mean, this is I mean, this 58 150 00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:05,610 apps and services. It's almost like 32 flavors. 151 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,850 Well, I heard him talking about on I was listening to buzz casts 152 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,550 on the way in this morning to the office and they were talking 153 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:19,920 about it when they were talking about the LIVE TAG and you know, 154 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,520 like what, you know, what can we do with live how, you know, I 155 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,820 think the live stuff has really, that may be part of the newfound 156 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:32,040 sort of fervor for all of this. 157 00:09:32,069 --> 00:09:35,999 I completely agree because it's exciting. Yes, it is. Hit me 158 00:09:35,999 --> 00:09:38,309 with a boost of ground people give me a pew pew I need to hit 159 00:09:38,309 --> 00:09:42,119 a dopamine hit. I'm having withdrawals. 160 00:09:43,380 --> 00:09:47,130 The the live stuff just gets you. It gets you go from a 161 00:09:47,130 --> 00:09:50,580 podcast that so this excitement is coming from? It's coming from 162 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:54,510 the podcasting side from the from the podcast creation side. 163 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:56,820 And in hosting side it's called 164 00:09:56,850 --> 00:09:59,940 adoption. Adoption. Yes, yes. Yes. 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,680 It happens right after innovation and a does. So but 166 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:09,810 then Thanks, Joe, the podcasters get excited about, about doing 167 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:13,440 these things like live where it says something new and fresh and 168 00:10:13,950 --> 00:10:17,190 in cool in a way that you know that you're there's an audience 169 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:19,530 that's on the other end of it getting notified. And you're all 170 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:21,060 going to read there. 171 00:10:21,060 --> 00:10:24,150 And you know what, I think maybe since we're this deep into the 172 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:27,360 into into this topic, maybe we should bring in our guest board 173 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,370 member, since, you know, he's also experiencing the joy of 174 00:10:32,370 --> 00:10:35,790 value for value as we speak. Yeah, sure. Was it too early or 175 00:10:35,790 --> 00:10:37,140 do you want to sit with me for now? 176 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,470 It's never too early to me. He's finished. He's already had a 177 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:41,250 pattern donut. 178 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:45,090 Please welcome into the boardroom. You know him as the 179 00:10:45,090 --> 00:10:49,560 co host of Linux unplugged. I don't know if he owns started up 180 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:52,320 whatever he did with Jupiter broadcasting, but we'll hear all 181 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:57,480 about it. A good pod friend of the board meeting, please say 182 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,890 hello to Chris Fisher. 183 00:10:59,490 --> 00:11:03,150 Hello, gentlemen. Boy, it's so nice in here. It was virtual. It 184 00:11:03,150 --> 00:11:05,100 can be as nice as you want it and I didn't know we are giving 185 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:06,180 out hugs. i Oh, 186 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:08,730 yeah. To the right. Oh, we listen, we have a motion of 187 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:12,060 positivity on the table. This started last week. So we 188 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:15,090 continue to hand out hugs. Chris, I'm sorry to my intro 189 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:19,230 sucked. Really? Tell me exactly what you do. Tell us about 190 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:21,390 Jupiter broadcasting and the podcast you're doing. 191 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:24,300 I mean, you kind of got the the important bits. Yeah, Jupiter 192 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:28,830 broadcasting is a podcast network. If you'll allow the 193 00:11:28,830 --> 00:11:32,190 term, it's a rough sense. It's really me and a small team. And 194 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:37,110 we focus on Linux, open source, self hosting and development. 195 00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:39,570 That's really kind of our core Nish over there. And you're 196 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:41,970 right. Linux unplugged is really the show most people know us for 197 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:44,160 it's the largest Linux podcast out there. We've been going for 198 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,880 like nearly eight years. And we have you know, just sort of in 199 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,290 the last, probably starting in January went really kind of big 200 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,680 on trying to get as much trying to get as many features of 201 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,830 podcasting to Dotto supported with our podcasts as we can as 202 00:11:58,830 --> 00:12:04,410 fast as possible. And, you know, for me, the real kind of I mean, 203 00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:06,990 you guys were on my radar, the moment apple and Spotify 204 00:12:06,990 --> 00:12:09,090 started, you know, kind of showing their intentions with 205 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:12,330 podcasting. But what really clicked for me as a podcaster. 206 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:14,670 And I think you guys were just touching on this, it was heli 207 00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:18,120 pad. That was the breakthrough, right? It was it was a new way 208 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,240 to get input to get feedback from the audience in a in a 209 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,180 system that I think is superior to email, for a lot of reasons. 210 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,340 That's, that's, well, while you jumped over a whole lot there. 211 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:33,750 Just before we dive into that, when you say Podcast Network, 212 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:36,420 I'm always intrigued. I think, you know, the reasons why is 213 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:40,140 this a financial Podcast Network? Is it just a shared 214 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:43,410 resource? Or not just a is it a shared resources? Podcast 215 00:12:43,410 --> 00:12:45,960 Network? What is the structure? And what is the intent of it 216 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,920 being a network? 217 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,380 We had a name for it, right? Because it's, you know, there's 218 00:12:49,380 --> 00:12:54,150 an LLC behind it to do like, all the businesses stuff. And then 219 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:59,220 we share resources in the sense that I'm on all of the shows. 220 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,960 Oh, your shared resource, okay. Can they book you on a calendar? 221 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,610 Or how does that like a conference room? 222 00:13:07,260 --> 00:13:10,020 I pretty much, you know, the main host of all the shows, or 223 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:14,190 the co host in some cases, and then we share editing resources, 224 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:17,910 financial resources, you know, maybe you know, sponsor deals 225 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:20,460 stuff like that network in the sense that there are a handful 226 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:23,250 of shows that are just really my shows that are focused on a core 227 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:24,090 topic and 228 00:13:24,090 --> 00:13:28,860 is the main has the main revenue driver been donations, ad sales. 229 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:33,780 Anything else? Nope, no, no motor? You have an LLC, so I 230 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:35,190 presume there's profit motive? 231 00:13:36,450 --> 00:13:39,300 Yeah, it's been I'd say it's been a mix over the years of 232 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:44,040 donations and advertising. We don't do like a lot of ads. So 233 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,880 we kind of have maybe one or two sponsors, and then the rest 234 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,710 would be memberships or booths. 235 00:13:50,010 --> 00:13:53,610 Okay, so yeah, big, big sponsors. Like, what's the 236 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:58,230 hosting company? Linode Linode. Yeah, I should know that. Okay, 237 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:00,480 so they're like a main sponsor, and they sponsor across the 238 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,370 whole network. Is that how it works? Yeah. Okay. 239 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,240 Yeah, for the most part. 240 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:05,790 Okay. Well, good, then you're exactly the right board member 241 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:08,340 to have with us today because we're gonna slam advertising and 242 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:10,350 we're gonna we're gonna up the value for value. 243 00:14:10,830 --> 00:14:15,450 You know, I actually you'll find me frequently doing it to office 244 00:14:15,450 --> 00:14:17,400 hours. I just went on a rant about it. So 245 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:20,430 and I will say that because I listened to Linux unplugged I 246 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:25,800 love the show. I've boosted it always stream my SATs. I don't 247 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,590 mind ads in context of the show. Right? When when you do when you 248 00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:37,830 break away for Linode now, it's, it's not even. I'm not in the 249 00:14:37,830 --> 00:14:40,590 market. I'm a Linode customer already, but I'm not really in 250 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:43,560 the market for anything. But somehow it to me it's like 251 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,700 contents. I think the ads kind of change. You know, you make it 252 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:50,880 relevant to whatever may be going on with the show with that 253 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,420 moment. So those times I mean, that to me is relevant content 254 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:56,580 and it's not like I'm being tricked or anything. I don't 255 00:14:56,580 --> 00:15:00,510 feel robbed of my time. So that kind of hybrid model Like, 256 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,530 that's kind of what we're trying to go for is that donations 257 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:08,220 through booths or the memberships give us kind of I 258 00:15:08,220 --> 00:15:11,520 mean, I've been doing this for a long time. So I would always try 259 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,010 to do whatever's right by the audience, because I know long 260 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:17,970 term, that's what matters. But it also just feels good to make 261 00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:21,510 it work from a business standpoint. So the primary 262 00:15:21,510 --> 00:15:23,520 revenue comes from the memberships and the boosts, 263 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,640 which gives us the flexibility to say no to the scam email, I'm 264 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,530 sure you guys see these two, these emails that come in all 265 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:32,580 the time. It's ridiculous, right? So we get to say no. And 266 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:34,680 then I, you know, Linode makes a lot of sense, because it's a 267 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,110 Linux podcast, and they're a Linux hosting provider, right? 268 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:40,230 So we get to say yes to that kind of stuff. And then, because 269 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:43,890 it is such a good match Linode is in their second year of 270 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:47,340 sponsorship, and they're they're still very happy, because we did 271 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:49,770 make that content match works, as well as it does. 272 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:54,570 I think I think the thing that is different about a show like 273 00:15:54,570 --> 00:15:57,390 yours, and I would put, I think I would put accidental tech in 274 00:15:57,390 --> 00:16:00,570 there. There's a there's a few shows like yours, where the with 275 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:03,480 their host read ads, and they're well done. And they're 276 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,610 reasonable links. Now, you know, when it comes to probably, what 277 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:11,850 I consider the master of the host read ad is probably Leo 278 00:16:11,850 --> 00:16:15,930 Laporte, I mean, the guy just, you know, he can just do it for, 279 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:20,550 I don't know how he's so good at it. But that the problem with 280 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:24,990 those shows, though, is they the reads are so long, I mean, you 281 00:16:24,990 --> 00:16:29,070 feel like you're just it loses your you loses you it loses the 282 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:32,670 audience, I think that that on your shows, Chris, you do a 283 00:16:32,670 --> 00:16:36,480 really good job of keeping them short. And to the point where it 284 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,140 does feel like content, it doesn't feel like it doesn't so 285 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:42,270 much feel like an ad, really, 286 00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:46,410 I'll take the compliment, but I think it is a tight line. That 287 00:16:46,410 --> 00:16:51,450 is until you figure out that the business needs to be oriented 288 00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:53,340 towards the audience. And the audience needs to be the biggest 289 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:56,400 customer, which took me years to figure out, it's not just 290 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,670 obvious for everybody, maybe it is for some people, but that's 291 00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,720 where I feel like the booths give that baseline to every 292 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,810 podcaster possibly where the audience is the most important 293 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:09,390 customer from a business standpoint, and from a creative 294 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:11,580 standpoint. So both things are in alignment. 295 00:17:11,999 --> 00:17:16,499 Give me so if you wouldn't mind going back and how you I first 296 00:17:16,499 --> 00:17:19,709 started hearing about podcasting 2.0 Or I don't know if it was 297 00:17:19,739 --> 00:17:22,379 value for value that brought you in or the you know, the project 298 00:17:22,379 --> 00:17:26,249 in general, and how it's been how you introduced it and how 299 00:17:26,249 --> 00:17:30,719 you're implementing it. And do you have a Lamborghini yet? 300 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,020 For all the Bitcoin Yeah, yeah. You know, I think honestly, I, 301 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:41,100 I'm almost likely, I've heard it from you on the show. But it 302 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:45,720 really came on my radar because I just have just, my lizard 303 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,420 brain got all worked up when I saw apple and Spotify playing 304 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:52,440 their hands. And I realized, we are way behind. We don't have a 305 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,680 decentralized index. We don't we don't have anything independent 306 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:59,850 even of these major companies. And we have been legging in any 307 00:17:59,850 --> 00:18:03,360 real feature development for so long. And this was the thing I 308 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,700 realized I've been doing. And we all do it because we haven't had 309 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,580 any other option is I've been sending my listeners to 310 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:11,700 different various websites for years to consume, like a live 311 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:14,940 stream or to get show notes or to get chapters, it's so dumb to 312 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:17,700 be sending them outside of the podcast app. It's short sighted. 313 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:23,160 And so when I saw the podcast index, and I saw the namespace 314 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,560 stuff, I thought, Okay, this makes a lot of sense. And I 315 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,690 became kind of loosely interested in thought, okay, 316 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,700 right on, I mentioned it on there a few times because I 317 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,580 thought this was a great idea. And I was grateful that you guys 318 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:35,850 were out here fighting the good fight. But what I realized a 319 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:39,840 little bit later on was well, I mean, to be really frank with 320 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,630 you guys, podcasting to Dotto support can be a competitive 321 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:46,410 advantage for my podcast, I can offer features that other folks 322 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:51,210 in the space can't offer, right? I think chapters I think 323 00:18:51,210 --> 00:18:55,260 transcripts, booths, all that are features that we should have 324 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,140 had for a long time, and I want my podcasts to have them first 325 00:18:58,350 --> 00:19:01,710 as fast as I can. And I think I have a savvy audience that wants 326 00:19:01,710 --> 00:19:03,930 that kind of stuff, too. So that's an element of it. And 327 00:19:03,930 --> 00:19:07,710 then like I said earlier, when heli pad came in, and from a 328 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:10,830 podcast or workflow standpoint, like how I produce my shows, 329 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:14,520 heli pad offers me a better feature set than email does 330 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,920 port, you know, Twitter, DMS, or whatever. 331 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:18,690 Pew pew pew pew 332 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:23,520 heli pad brought it all together for me. And it was like, Oh, 333 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,000 crap. Plus, also, I'm just a big fan of sound money. So when I 334 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,400 realized it was using the Lightning Network, I was all in. 335 00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:34,650 Yeah, yeah, that so I've got there. I got a lot of stuff too, 336 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,700 that I had jotted down to talk to you about some of it specific 337 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:41,070 to you and some of it about just what you were talking about a 338 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:44,610 while ago with feature feature development and that kind of 339 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:50,160 thing. So but I think what I want to start with is you do 340 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:56,790 live shows. And so how are you going to do anything with the 341 00:19:56,790 --> 00:20:00,270 live item tag? Is that in your on your roadmap at Oh, 342 00:20:00,780 --> 00:20:04,170 yeah. Are we have I think this is going to come up later too. 343 00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:06,480 But I think our biggest barrier there is that we're not 344 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,200 generating our RSS feeds ourselves right now. But I am 345 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,930 getting peer tube established. I'm getting all of that plumbing 346 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:16,020 ready. So when we do have that capability, it can just kind of 347 00:20:16,020 --> 00:20:16,710 get all connected. 348 00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:20,610 What host are you using right now? Is it farside? Correct? 349 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:24,900 Yes. Perfect. Okay, because we can, you know, we know Dan 350 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:25,110 really 351 00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:29,610 put a gun to Dan's head and say, Dude, put this tag Now, Dan. 352 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:34,350 Yeah, I gave you my car. Dan. Now, please. 353 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,800 Yeah, well, we need to tell Dan is that Adam still has the car 354 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,260 registered on the Mercedes app on his phone, and he could shut 355 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:40,950 it down at any moment. 356 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:44,100 Any minute. That's right. I can track him. And really, Dan, you 357 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,180 went there. Okay. 358 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:49,980 Yeah, I would love to see also the ability in fireside to 359 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:54,630 individually edit the value items. So that way when I have a 360 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:57,030 guest on I couldn't include them in the split and stuff like 361 00:20:57,030 --> 00:21:00,900 that. And so those lacks the lacks the lacking I don't I'm 362 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,670 trying to be nice, because I really liked Dan, too. And I 363 00:21:02,670 --> 00:21:05,640 actually really liked FIRESIGN I think it is a good deal. But it 364 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:10,020 just I feel like those features not being on fireside have held 365 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:13,290 us back exactly. Talking about you in our RSS setup. 366 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,960 This is good. This is not holding back. I mean, everyone's 367 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,020 busy. Of course, everyone has their own development timeline. 368 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:23,430 But I think what rss.com Did that just kicked competition in 369 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:27,720 the hosting space into high gear. I mean, everyone's gonna 370 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,850 see it like, oh, shit, well, okay. Well, we got to have 371 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:33,570 because it's, this is just how it works. I mean, you can see 372 00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:36,300 the pattern. It's like, oh, something's trending. What is 373 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,970 it? Oh, these guys are doing that. Okay, what can we do? I 374 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:41,640 think it's all it's, it's going to be very exciting. And 375 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,130 frankly, I can't wait for the first hosting company to come 376 00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:46,620 and say, Hey, here's some tags we've been thinking of. 377 00:21:47,370 --> 00:21:51,060 Yeah, interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I think we're on we're 378 00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:54,450 really on the razor edge of just kind of building that 379 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:56,520 infrastructure ourselves. And the the part that makes me a 380 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,820 little sad about that is once we're generating our own RSS 381 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:02,520 feeds, and we're also moving on to generating our own website, 382 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,890 because we need we need a page that shows all of our shows 383 00:22:04,890 --> 00:22:08,880 together. I'm really only then using fireside as a CDN, and 384 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,760 that doesn't seem like a great value to them. And yeah, it's 385 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,570 just not a good spot. 386 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,570 That's when you get on IPFS podcasting, it's all free. 387 00:22:17,310 --> 00:22:22,650 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. IPFS we get off camera and on by the way, do 388 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:24,930 much with IPFS. Chris, 389 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:28,380 Lord, I hate to say I played with it, and I wasn't super 390 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,330 impressed yet. I see. That's 391 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:34,620 where I'm at to get like, we've, me and Adam. They're trying to 392 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,590 do IPs for so many years. And it's just like, it just always 393 00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:44,700 it's like 90% reliable, but that 10 That last 10% is just so 394 00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:45,240 frustrating 395 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,070 boots on the ground update. Since I've, I have installed 396 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:54,420 IPFS podcasting on my Umbral I am pinning and doing all this 397 00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:59,490 stuff. For all of my shows, no agenda, it has a lot of a lot of 398 00:22:59,490 --> 00:23:04,440 pins and a lot of cached episodes. I have not used it in 399 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:09,810 in any enclosure URL to date. But exactly what you say Dave, 400 00:23:09,810 --> 00:23:12,180 then all of a sudden click something happens and I get an 401 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:15,240 email and that is kind of cool because the emails automated and 402 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,260 says Hey, your node hasn't done anything in two weeks. You gotta 403 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:22,380 go kick it and that's the problem is what are what what am 404 00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:24,240 I kicking and why? Why is it doing? 405 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:30,030 What I kicked the dog it was I did see that's the thing that I 406 00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:33,930 get when when we first started distributing the podcast index 407 00:23:33,930 --> 00:23:38,460 database on a weekly basis. With the first way we did that was 408 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,590 through IPFS it's like okay, we're gonna make this thing 409 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:43,920 decentralized. Am I right? Yeah. And we're gonna go straight to 410 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,580 IPFS 411 00:23:44,610 --> 00:23:47,880 Wow, DD is what are you what's wrong with you where you've been 412 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,630 hanging out 413 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:58,650 Tik Tok. The the, but then, so I have a, I had to write a neck 414 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,850 necromancer script that would just watch IPFS all day long in 415 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:06,330 and bounce it every time it fails. And so that's what was 416 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:08,610 happening. It would just stop responding, and I would bounce 417 00:24:08,610 --> 00:24:11,490 it or it would crash and I would have to restart it. So I get an 418 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:15,600 email and at least four or five times a week at BFS and Damon 419 00:24:16,110 --> 00:24:18,510 has to be restarted for some reason. I just can't I can't 420 00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:21,390 that's not that's not enough. That's not good enough. No, 421 00:24:21,419 --> 00:24:24,239 yeah. Yeah. And am I testing the way to really improve the 422 00:24:24,239 --> 00:24:26,039 reliability involves centralizing it through 423 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:33,359 Cloudflare and then at that point HTTP and I'm not a big fan 424 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,789 of the filecoin shenanigans either. I gotta be honest, I 425 00:24:35,789 --> 00:24:36,629 don't like that. Yeah, but 426 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:39,390 that's completely separate. You don't have to integrate that and 427 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:44,820 I don't I think their motives are pure. But there are others 428 00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:47,880 guys but there's there are some people out there who have 429 00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:52,620 different ideas. Alright, just with the with the with the coin 430 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:56,940 aspects. I don't know. I mean, that old coin seem to have 431 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,660 fallen out of favor at the moment. Ain't no wonder Oh 432 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:05,040 yeah, I guess I'm just wanting to get a Linux unplugged or and 433 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,680 I'm just wanting to get those live notifications on my phone. 434 00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:12,630 Yeah, it really would be that that is one of the things I want 435 00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:15,180 the most, I think that's such a great idea. And that's when I 436 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:18,720 was talking about how I feel sort of silly for sending people 437 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,210 outside the podcast app for so many years to watch the live 438 00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:24,450 stream. And it just makes so much sense because they're my 439 00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:26,790 subscribers, they're already subscribed to my podcast. So 440 00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:29,190 it's gonna get, it's gonna get in front of a lot more people. 441 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,500 And you'll look at the way that these apps are doing it. It's 442 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,870 not really obnoxious, they're doing it in a really tasteful 443 00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:37,320 way that makes it clear, this is a live show. I could see me 444 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,380 messing up and not remembering to pull the live item tag and 445 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:42,570 stuff like that. So I'm wondering about how I'm going to 446 00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:44,790 build process around that just so I don't embarrass myself a 447 00:25:44,790 --> 00:25:45,060 bunch of 448 00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:47,970 times. Oh, dude, wait, wait until you leave the stream on it 449 00:25:47,970 --> 00:25:50,490 or just chatting after the show for an hour. I mean, that's, 450 00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:52,050 that's my favorite. I've done that. 451 00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:54,960 I don't actually know if this is true. But I have been told by 452 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,290 multiple audience members that I left the stream going well, my 453 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,590 wife at the time was having our third child at home. 454 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,500 And no one recorded it. 455 00:26:04,889 --> 00:26:07,049 I don't know, it may be out it was years ago, 456 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:11,160 there's at least three, three scripts that run out in the 457 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,790 space somewhere. And the minute I fire up the live stream, they 458 00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:18,690 start recording, and then I have these emails, I can send an 459 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:22,080 email, and then it'll send me a link to the recording in case my 460 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,720 own recording screws up. Yeah, there's all kinds of cool. 461 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,890 That's value for value, man. That's how it works. Yeah. So 462 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,620 just about the mix, if you don't mind, because we have some 463 00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:37,440 advertising stuff to talk about. You don't do any network ads. I 464 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,170 mean, you know, like, do you work with ad networks? Is it 465 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:42,030 really with companies individually? 466 00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:45,270 Yeah, I just go direct with the company. Okay. You know, I just 467 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,110 do sales myself. 468 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:52,620 Okay, and you do sales for the whole network? Yes. Well, 469 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:56,340 yeah. I mean, I'm on the shows for the most part. So it just 470 00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:58,140 seemed it just got off and I do the reads. 471 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:02,100 But it's so interesting, because as we see value for value moving 472 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:07,140 in one direction, and I think ads are becoming more of a 473 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:12,210 problem, there's certainly going to be less, less demand in for 474 00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:16,320 the next foreseeable time. That's just what happens in in a 475 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,220 down market. And I know that this is not just from numbers 476 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:23,940 that float up on CNBC. You know, it's like my stepdaughter, your 477 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:26,880 entire department in a marketing company was let go, she's the 478 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,970 only one left was like, Yeah, that's a promotion. Trust me. 479 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:34,440 Oh, yeah. I mean, it's yesterday. Now this is of course 480 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,030 from CNBC. But snap is seen as a bellwether for online 481 00:27:39,030 --> 00:27:41,820 advertising, and they had a horrible quarter, and you know, 482 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:44,910 their stock is down 38% Or something today, and that 483 00:27:44,910 --> 00:27:48,660 affects everybody. And it's true, it's just there's less 484 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:51,030 money being spent, you see it everywhere on in the marketing 485 00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:55,110 and advertising business. So while this is taking place, we 486 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:59,610 have Netflix who are pure streaming, and you know, pay 487 00:27:59,610 --> 00:28:02,490 your pay your one time fee, which they've Of course, raised 488 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:09,060 several times. And they're now looking at, at probably at best 489 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:14,640 a hybrid model of a lower per month fee, and you get some ads. 490 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:17,640 And in the midst of all this, I heard a really interesting 491 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:25,950 statistic, which is the amount of money each, the average 492 00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:31,050 Netflix customer is spending per minute. They watched Netflix. 493 00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:36,150 And this was a and what do you think it is that you know, for 494 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:39,930 whatever you pay? What is it these days? 15 bucks, 17? I have 495 00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:45,630 no idea. You pay that per month, and you consume an X amount of 496 00:28:45,630 --> 00:28:49,620 time of content in time. What do you think it is per minute that 497 00:28:49,620 --> 00:28:52,260 That breaks down to if you if you divide your streaming 498 00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:54,960 minutes by your monthly spend? 499 00:28:55,260 --> 00:29:00,690 Oh, man, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say faster. 10 cents a minute. 500 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,130 Okay. Oh, 501 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,850 Chris, because the tricky thing here right is some of these 502 00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:08,190 Netflix subscribers are kind of degenerates, they just binge 503 00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:10,140 this stuff. So they could be watching hours and hours and 504 00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:12,540 hours at a time, which would lower the overall average. So 505 00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:16,890 I'm gonna say I'm gonna go crazy, and I'm gonna go 99 cents 506 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:17,220 a minute. 507 00:29:17,879 --> 00:29:20,969 All right, everybody, please booster Graham, your guesses? 508 00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:24,209 And I'll give the solution a little bit later on. 509 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,580 Price this price is right rules are we going for 510 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:36,540 $1 $1? One half of a penny. Whoa, for the penny and one half 511 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:42,960 of a penny. Now if you and so that's what people want to watch 512 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,890 because they're watching it. 513 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:48,090 That's that's permitted. That's permitted permitted. Okay. So 514 00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:48,270 that 515 00:29:48,270 --> 00:29:50,610 would be the same as 20 sets per minute. 516 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:54,450 Well, that's almost what, what the default is 517 00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:01,800 exactly. So But what's interesting is People send 10 518 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,800 times as much in value for value 10 times. So I just can't make 519 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Netflix's numbers work, you know, and then they can either 520 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,470 then, you know, they're a debt based company, they've never 521 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:17,910 been profitable. Spotify is in the same boat. But when it 522 00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:21,810 breaks down to numbers like that we're seeing a real market that 523 00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:25,950 we've created that is more profitable is more fun, and does 524 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:30,630 not come with interruptive ads or doesn't have to. It's fine. 525 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,700 And then and then there's this big Well, big. There's a paper 526 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:45,300 that went out 20 page 18 pages from the IAB labs, labs. It's 527 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:50,040 from the lab. I didn't know they had a lab. Yeah, I immediately I 528 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,970 see guys with lab coats in my head from the legs. Exactly. And 529 00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:56,220 I read it. I read this paper, because I heard a lot of 530 00:30:56,220 --> 00:31:01,140 different people talking about it. And and did you guys read 531 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:02,550 it? Do you know what this is about? 532 00:31:02,850 --> 00:31:04,980 I read the first three pages. Yeah. Oh. 533 00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:11,490 So the Add issue is it's really one thing Apple has, has an A 534 00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:14,880 private VPN service that they have enabled for Safari that you 535 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,390 can enable for Safari, which cloaks you which means IP 536 00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:20,850 address and geolocation, a whole bunch of other things are no 537 00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:25,350 longer available through neurotypical web detection 538 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:29,700 technologies, HTTP type stuff. So the log files won't be 539 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,120 complete. And it doesn't affect their podcast app at the moment. 540 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,040 But the fear is, they would turn that on across the entire TCP IP 541 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,580 stack. And it would, you know, it would also hide IP addresses 542 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:48,000 for apps, which would mean, the way I read it, the podcast 543 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:56,610 industry would collapse. Done. If would collapse. And it's sad 544 00:31:56,610 --> 00:32:00,660 to see that once again, Q and this is a pretty big group. And 545 00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:03,060 there's some bigger names in there than in the past when it 546 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:06,300 just came to lobbying Apple to do stuff. But they're, it's the 547 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:10,050 same thing. I'm seeing a repeat, let's get together. Let's put a 548 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:12,840 paper together. Let's, let's have some meetings, let's work 549 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,490 on a document. And without even I mean yet kind of asked at the 550 00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:21,660 end, say Happy Apple, could you please come to the table. This 551 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:25,140 is a failed strategy. We know this won't work. Now Apple may 552 00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:30,210 never change it, but just look at your business. This is and 553 00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:34,110 look at your business and tell me that this is not incredibly 554 00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:38,400 risky, incredibly risky, Apple could just wake up and just have 555 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,910 a different CEO or whatever and decide mas Screw it. And we're 556 00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:44,040 just we're only going to promote subscription based stuff or 557 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,470 whatever they whatever they would want to do Spotify, I 558 00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:50,670 think, doesn't care at all. To me, if it's more advantageous to 559 00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:55,380 them, though, they'll, you know, they don't care. I mean, I think 560 00:32:55,380 --> 00:32:59,310 Spotify is happy, they they know who their customers are. And 561 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:03,630 everybody else, you know, it seems like the and it's not just 562 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,210 about geolocation. It's about attribution. It's about knowing 563 00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:08,700 who you are. And let's be honest about it. This is their 564 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:12,750 collecting data. This is what this is what a cast does. The a 565 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:16,380 cast is probably really smart to make that acquisition, because 566 00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:18,510 now at least they have registered customers. And it's 567 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,630 not just some IP addresses that are out in space. 568 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,920 Yeah, I think I think a cast wants to be that I mentioned 569 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,570 this to you the other day, I think they want to be and this 570 00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:30,810 is not meant as a, I don't mean this as a slam, but they want to 571 00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:35,250 be the Spotify of RSS, of open RSS, they, they want to 572 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,980 essentially have the full stack, top to bottom. But but using 573 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:45,390 RSS, instead of going the siloed approach where we're This 574 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:50,400 modifies my, my opinion, I've been refining this opinion for a 575 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,670 while, you know, I said a while back that I anchor was going to 576 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,190 go away as a brand, I think what's ultimately going to 577 00:33:56,190 --> 00:34:00,030 happen. And the more I think about it, I think Spotify is 578 00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:03,540 just gonna get out of the pod quote unquote, podcasting game, 579 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,530 pretty much in June. And what I mean by that is, they may still 580 00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:10,170 call them podcasts. But what they're gonna have is they're 581 00:34:10,170 --> 00:34:13,110 just going to have exclusive shows. And they're not going to 582 00:34:13,110 --> 00:34:18,390 be RSS involved around it. So they're just going to have this 583 00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:21,450 essentially this private internal stuff they're going to 584 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520 they're going to own megaphone and these other voices on the 585 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,940 side, so they can capture some of this revenue coming out of 586 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:31,440 successful podcast shows as far as advertising revenue goes. But 587 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,810 I think that a cast, so I kind of think in in five years, 588 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:39,600 Spotify is going to be sort of a non entity when it comes to 589 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,440 Podcast, the podcast industry as a whole may eat those words. But 590 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,950 that's that's 591 00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:47,369 my I don't see how they can last five years without raising more 592 00:34:47,369 --> 00:34:51,929 money. And a cast is also one of these baffling companies. They 593 00:34:51,959 --> 00:34:55,769 had 100 and I think they've raised $130 million. Okay, it's 594 00:34:55,769 --> 00:34:58,889 respectable, you know, over several rounds. They spent 595 00:34:58,889 --> 00:35:01,139 clearly spent some of that We don't know if was cash or in 596 00:35:01,139 --> 00:35:06,869 stock on? What's the name of the company that bought? Purchased 597 00:35:06,929 --> 00:35:09,989 pod chaser? I don't know if they've done other acquisitions, 598 00:35:09,989 --> 00:35:13,769 but now they had what they call a listening app. And that was 599 00:35:13,799 --> 00:35:16,199 only the beginning of the year. And then there's Oh, no, we're 600 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,559 shutting that down. And it's all free. It's all for the best. 601 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,589 Well, I guess no one cared about the app. And then they do. And 602 00:35:22,589 --> 00:35:26,609 now they're an ad based company, they bought a, a database so 603 00:35:26,609 --> 00:35:30,749 that they can know more about podcast listeners to target ads 604 00:35:31,139 --> 00:35:34,799 better. And you know, we're serving the open ecosystem, but 605 00:35:35,069 --> 00:35:39,029 we've changed our app to a cast plus, and you can turn off the 606 00:35:39,029 --> 00:35:42,689 ads and just have your listeners subscribe and pay you directly. 607 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:43,829 So it's the 608 00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:47,250 full span. That's the full stack Spotify model. Yeah, but you but 609 00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:49,110 I built an RSS, but that 610 00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:52,770 means that you're that you don't have a lot of confidence in your 611 00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,700 advertising model, because you need the inventory. Yeah, and if 612 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,970 your inventory keeps going away, because the going private and by 613 00:35:59,970 --> 00:36:02,880 subscription, I just that's to me is baffling. 614 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,660 Yeah, they're, they're, they're killing one one part of the 615 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:08,970 business to grow another part of the business that they hope will 616 00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:11,040 be a reoccurring revenue, it must be the math that they're 617 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,340 doing. It seems like any of these ad deals at massive scale 618 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:19,410 are going to be the absolutely devastated in any kind of 619 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:22,680 economic drawdown you know, if we have a recession here in the 620 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,610 States, or a recession in the around the world, these kinds of 621 00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:30,030 bulk ad deals where they sell a bunch at once and they do them 622 00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:32,760 across multiple shows, these are the first to die. These are what 623 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,920 they sell for dynamic insertions to write. 624 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:40,470 Dynamic and search and CP, everybody's this is like ad 625 00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:40,950 talk, we 626 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:45,540 never do know, it's important to do it once in a while. The dai 627 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,620 stuff that dynamic ad insertion CPMs have come have come up in 628 00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:53,520 recent in recent times, and gotten gotten a little bit 629 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,200 higher. Heard TOS say that they're like half of what a what 630 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,160 a host read read is, which is not great. But I mean, as far as 631 00:37:02,190 --> 00:37:05,730 its historical value is bigger. So kind of get everybody 632 00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:09,390 excited, oh, maybe dominant MC ads can work. But in a, in a 633 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:12,180 downturn where advertising suffers, the dynamic stuff is 634 00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:14,670 going to take a hit immediately. I mean, like this stuff is gonna 635 00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:15,630 go right back down. 636 00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:19,620 And right now they have 47,000 creators, as they call it, which 637 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:22,470 includes the BBC, so I guess they don't own at least all of 638 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:26,010 them. And, you know, because they have to approve them, the 639 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:31,800 whole website for a cast is all about brand safety, etc, etc, 640 00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:35,100 managing your expectations as an advertiser. So that's very 641 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,340 difficult. And so you know, that is just a fraction of the this 642 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:43,410 is not going to be for every podcast to make money. And what 643 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,760 what I found kind of weak in general and me that took them 18 644 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,160 pages to say Apple, could you please talk to us because we got 645 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,070 a problem. That's really what they were saying Apple we have a 646 00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:55,800 real problem here and and just let us know, are you going to 647 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,590 screw us give us a timeline, we need to know we've got to fix 648 00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:01,350 stuff. And it will take that before someone actually does 649 00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:06,390 something not dissimilar to podcasting. 2.0. So they throw 650 00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:09,840 in like, well, this will yield less content will be created. 651 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,960 This is bad for diversity in podcasting. At that point, my 652 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,400 head goes down. I'm like, come on. Podcasting is one of the 653 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,180 most diverse mediums you can ever imagine. So don't do that. 654 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:24,480 Just the problem is Apple just needs to help them out. Now. 655 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,460 This this problem, by the way was solved. You Alex gates and I 656 00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:32,760 think Cridland Dave, you guys came up with a whole schema for 657 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,590 this that solve this very problem. 658 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:36,780 Are you are you Timothy? Uli, do 659 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:37,860 you lie? Yeah, 660 00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:40,470 that was dos. Dan, me and Dan Ben. 661 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:41,310 Oh, Dan Benjamin, I'm 662 00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:44,310 sorry. Yeah. And I put that out there because not because it's 663 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:46,710 sour grapes or anything like that. I don't really care about 664 00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:51,360 this. But I mean, the, but it is it is a point to make where 665 00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:55,170 there are I mean, this was talked about this is not I mean, 666 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,050 we this was talked about before Brian Barletta joined the join 667 00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:07,320 the IB group. And he went in there with the intent to talk 668 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,830 about this problem. And that was literally like a year ago that 669 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:14,160 was last year's Podcast Movement that we that man Dan did this 670 00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:20,370 right. And and then it has taken a year just to get it. I'm going 671 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:23,700 to use this to lead into something if I can. It took a 672 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:28,470 year evidently for the IB to just produce a paper saying that 673 00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:35,460 there's a problem. Like, yes. In what I'm leading into, is this 674 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:39,990 is the problem with standards bodies and working groups. So 675 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,180 and I heard I heard Todd on. This is going to be important. I 676 00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:49,590 want your input on this. Chris, the our Tod on their own new 677 00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:52,860 media show talking about he said you know the pocket podcasting 678 00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:56,550 2.0 Folks, they need to, you know, start to develop this into 679 00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:59,340 a group and do all these kinds of things. And my first reaction 680 00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:05,790 was no No, no. Because here's the standards bodies and working 681 00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:11,130 groups, they, they lead to the type of stagnation like this 682 00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:15,120 that we see. Here, here's the here's the thing, we are guided 683 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,890 by the rules for standards makers always have been. Rule 684 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:24,150 number one is interop is all that matters. That's, that's the 685 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:28,710 guiding principle of everything in podcasting. 2.0. And in my 686 00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:31,020 opinion, should be the guiding principle and all open source 687 00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:36,360 projects. But we, we don't build in to flesh that out, we don't 688 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,500 build new base protocols. So if you have a base protocol that 689 00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,490 you need to build something like HTML, or something like that, I 690 00:40:44,490 --> 00:40:48,570 can, I can understand a W three C type organization. But for our 691 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:52,860 type of setup, where we're not building necessarily base 692 00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,640 protocols, we're building glue protocols, and interrupt specs 693 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,570 to attach to existing specs and protocols out there. So we're 694 00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:04,770 taking RSS and attaching it to activity pub, taking RSS and 695 00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:09,750 attaching it to lightning, taking RSS and attaching it to 696 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:14,040 blockchains and pod pain, when we were doing then we can move 697 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,420 fast. And we don't have to have a huge cumbersome working group. 698 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,280 Because the failure, the any failures, quote, unquote, that 699 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,520 we could experience are not there. There, there's a limited 700 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,750 blast radius there because this is just glue, we can we can 701 00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:36,120 resolve the spec as a as as an enhancement. So the any anything 702 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,110 like Do you Do you agree with that? And, Chris, I mean, 703 00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:43,200 because I think that I think some stay in the Linux world a 704 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,650 lot. There's people are taking distros and then adding stuff to 705 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:48,360 it, and they can move so fast. 706 00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:53,070 You said something in there, that stuck with me because i i 707 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,150 And I think I just realized I see it more as an open source 708 00:41:57,150 --> 00:42:00,960 project. It's not like a one to one because it's it's more about 709 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,510 creating standards and ways of doing things. But if you look at 710 00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:09,240 it from a community organizing standpoint it very much is 711 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,000 because you have developers in the podcast apps that need to 712 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,390 adopt new things that are being created. And you need consensus 713 00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:18,870 in that community, which this podcast helps drive consensus in 714 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:22,470 a community that is developing open code and open standards. So 715 00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:25,140 it's more of a project than it is a standard Well, there's, 716 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:28,710 there's something, there's a couple of things. And this is 717 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:31,680 probably by far the most rewarding, most fun, most 718 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,320 successful project or company I've ever worked in, in my 719 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:41,070 entire career. And, of course, it's a complete 100% vow of 720 00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:47,250 poverty. But that, but that is a key and critical factor. And the 721 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:52,020 project is open. I mean, the fact that most of the code is 722 00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:55,740 open source is goes along with that, but it's open. And it 723 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,710 really is value for value. Because we started off by 724 00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:01,470 saying, here's the value we're putting in, we're going to do 725 00:43:01,470 --> 00:43:05,610 this, and we're going to use these tools for everybody to 726 00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:10,890 collaborate. And so while GitHub is, is a must for code 727 00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:16,080 development, having the Macedon server, open it up to all, dare 728 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,190 I say stakeholders, so that podcasters listeners, 729 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,660 developers, interested just people who are interested, can 730 00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:29,940 just drop by throw out an idea, have a conversation, argue a 731 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,340 point, whatever it is, but the continual reminder is nothing 732 00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:40,020 works if we don't all put in the work. And that's that really is 733 00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:44,130 value for value. And somehow that seeped into this project in 734 00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:48,960 such an enormous way. With I will say, my sincere 735 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,300 appreciation to the many no agenda nation people who just 736 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,800 seem to be willing to risk their risk anything for any 737 00:43:58,830 --> 00:44:03,750 embarrassment doesn't matter to them. You know, look, look at 738 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,660 you know, just just look at some of the some of the podcasters, 739 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:08,550 who would just you know, the running with scissors fits 740 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:14,550 perfectly. So Biden by not having a an organization a 741 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:19,020 structure. We still have leadership Dave is is complete 742 00:44:19,050 --> 00:44:23,130 code leadership, but he's also the kind of person who empowers 743 00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:31,980 lots of other people. And that combination of letting people 744 00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:36,030 just go, you know, here's some, here's our constitution rules 745 00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:41,100 for standards maker, makers. And now don't be a dick. And then 746 00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:45,510 that kind of works. That's the charter. Yeah, it is. It truly 747 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:48,570 is, you know, run with scissors. You know, if you get scraped, 748 00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:51,150 we'll all know we'll all patch up together, you know, put a 749 00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:54,240 bandaid on it give you a kiss and a hug. And then we move on. 750 00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:58,920 I mean, we laugh, right. But, Dave, you mean you and I have 751 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,730 not conspired? It was I mean I think about this a lot all well 752 00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,420 I would say that the the reason why all this works when you 753 00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:09,450 bring it together is because of the podcast the podcast the 754 00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:12,840 board meeting that's really where everything that comes 755 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,500 together we everyone you know you can get your hour and a half 756 00:45:16,530 --> 00:45:19,410 update once a week you know for some people high ROI it's a 757 00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:22,170 lifestyle roi i think Roy goes to sleep listening to us. 758 00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:26,550 Oh, okay. That's why he couldn't that's why he said but yes, he 759 00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:27,150 couldn't sleep he 760 00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:30,750 couldn't sleep when when we missed the show. He's it's very 761 00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:34,980 disruptive. It's a good night's sleep tonight. And so although 762 00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:38,190 all those things together show you the power and look at what 763 00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:43,680 what has been achieved in just two years, from from an idea to 764 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,710 a major hosting company incorporating wallets to there 765 00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:53,730 being multiple wallet providers to you know, all of the tags 766 00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:57,060 that all the different hosting companies have have put into the 767 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,230 services the apps I mean, this is this is not just a small 768 00:46:01,230 --> 00:46:03,900 little thing this is an unstoppable train. I've seen 769 00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,150 this before it was called podcasting. 770 00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:13,650 The here's so here's my with that as the as the framework. 771 00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:22,470 Here is my proposal so to speak. The pregnant pause in the pew is 772 00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:22,830 just 773 00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:26,790 your professional podcast or you felt a common you let it go 774 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,300 beautiful. 775 00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:40,410 I did the I want to propose that we do something called the 776 00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:47,850 podcast improvement proposal system. This is this is why do 777 00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:53,100 you grow? Because this grown? You're gonna love it. You're 778 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:53,760 gonna love it. 779 00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:56,970 I'll just tell you why I had the grown is because 780 00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:59,460 I feel like I just kicked a leg out from under your chair and 781 00:46:59,460 --> 00:47:00,840 you just run on the floor. 782 00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:05,610 It first of all, what was the acronym? Is it Pip? Pip? Okay, 783 00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:10,050 yeah, right off the bat. I got an any from that. But it's okay. 784 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,040 I can I can hold back on the PIP. It also kind of reminded me 785 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,430 of a blip, which is near what the Lightning Network proposal 786 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:21,060 or whatever, whatever those proposals are. So it was just it 787 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:24,630 was just a visceral reaction. It's my shit. It's my problem is 788 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:27,180 childhood trauma. I'm going to work on it. 789 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:30,180 No pizza or in the chest. Is this a podcast improvement 790 00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:31,290 movement proposal as 791 00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:38,070 we're talking I'm all in on this Dave do tell about the pimp 792 00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:38,550 system. 793 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,270 Okay, I just I just renamed it officially. It's now we got a 794 00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:43,530 trademark is called pimp. 795 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,310 Podcast. I'm writing it down. Improvement we're 796 00:47:47,310 --> 00:47:49,770 meeting to make it to make this 797 00:47:50,850 --> 00:47:53,970 podcast improvement movement. Was it podcast improvement 798 00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:54,630 movement? 799 00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:58,200 Point, let's just say podcast I'm proposing and moving 800 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:05,490 proposal or something like that? Yeah. Okay. Here's the and I'm 801 00:48:05,490 --> 00:48:09,570 opening the floor for discussion. This is the the 802 00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:13,920 idea. There is no working group. There is no standard bodies. And 803 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,260 thank god, there's not and we don't want any of that stuff. 804 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,120 The this because they all involve meetings and boring 805 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,850 things that makes us want to go to sleep. We want to change the 806 00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:27,630 world without having any meetings. So yes. 807 00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:30,960 Writing down one 808 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:39,240 meeting. Okay, so here's, here's what, this is not really 809 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,180 different than what it currently is. It's just a way to make it 810 00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:46,290 make more sense to the outside world, because we got an issue 811 00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:50,400 filed on the on the namespace repo, and somebody who is a 812 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,970 developer, and he said, You know, I really don't know how to 813 00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:57,540 submit a proposal. Is there a template somewhere? Like, how do 814 00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:02,310 I go about submitting a proposal for a namespace tag? In okay, I 815 00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:07,170 thought, Okay. That's a problem because it's not just the 816 00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:11,760 namespace. Podcasting. 2.0 is lots of different things, 817 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,360 podcasting, podcasting. 2.0 is ways to improve podcasting, 818 00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:19,650 infrastructure and technology period. That could be namespace, 819 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,880 that could be anything. So I fill out what we need is a 820 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,710 website or some sort of interface to this says, where 821 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:32,910 you can file a proposal, you can submit a proposal, it gets 822 00:49:32,940 --> 00:49:36,630 assigned a number, just like a GitHub repo issue. It gets 823 00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:41,250 assigned a number. And then people, everybody knows that 824 00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:45,030 this is the place to look at these proposals. And it can be 825 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:49,080 somebody somebody can come along and say, You know what? I wish 826 00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:53,070 that, that there was a pot that podcast apps would do such and 827 00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:57,450 such. That thing becomes a proposal. Everybody can see it 828 00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:00,330 app developers can go and look at and say oh, that's Cool, 829 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,930 maybe I'll add that to my app. Or this isn't Oh, this is 830 00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:07,080 probably a namespace tag. Let's Let's slide this over and make 831 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,040 it an official namespace. 832 00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:13,920 A pimp, a pimp would be a template that you fill out when 833 00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:17,850 the flow would be. So someone come in, say, Hey, I wish that 834 00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:22,740 my podcast player could do this. And here's my thinking about it. 835 00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:27,630 And then we can say, Oh, you need to file a pimp. He's filed 836 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,830 a pimp go over here and fill out the fields. Is that Is that what 837 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:32,160 I'm here? 838 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,220 There'll be a pimp Review Board? Oh, hell yeah. 839 00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:42,060 Yes, we will review all pimp or pin tickets. And Pam ticketing 840 00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:46,290 system. Yes, as MD, she says. And so like, you look, everybody 841 00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:49,320 gets to look at a pin at the pump tickets. And then you fire 842 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,760 them off to whoever it makes sense like this is you could the 843 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,910 person doing the proposal can say this is an app. This is an 844 00:50:56,910 --> 00:51:01,320 app proposal, or a host can say this is a this is a namespace 845 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,240 proposal, or somebody like Chris as a as a broadcaster can come 846 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,140 in and say, I wish that my host that hosting companies would do 847 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:13,500 such and such and that becomes a host proposal. So you didn't 848 00:51:13,530 --> 00:51:18,960 then the respective parties involved. App developers hosting 849 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,920 companies, advertisers, whoever the hell it is, can come in 850 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,080 there and look at their, at the at the the they can they can 851 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,100 look at what the world is trying to tell them that they want it 852 00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:36,090 specific to them, and then they can make decisions about oh, 853 00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:39,180 this is okay. Evidently, these people want this. This is a 854 00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:41,010 great idea. I can stick it in my app. 855 00:51:42,750 --> 00:51:47,070 I like this idea. I like the idea of pimp slapping a bad 856 00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:47,790 idea. 857 00:51:51,930 --> 00:51:54,750 I just want to I just want somebody to propose something. 858 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,790 And so that I can call it like, refer to it as like pimp. 12 You 859 00:51:59,790 --> 00:52:05,670 know, we're voting on today on on pin 33 As you want that I 860 00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:07,860 want the satisfaction personally that 861 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,520 I like it, I think I think is great. Who's going to build it? 862 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,980 Someone will build this. Someone out there is going to build this 863 00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:16,680 real quick. It seems simple. I mean, I could I could whip this 864 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,180 up, but I got some other stuff to do. 865 00:52:18,569 --> 00:52:21,359 You could do it in rockin with headless 866 00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:25,500 No, no, no, no, baby. No, no. Next dot j s, this is the shit 867 00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,410 now. This is what I'm learning. Now. Next. Jas, this is what all 868 00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:31,020 the cool is doing. I don't know Alex Gates told me that was a 869 00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:35,610 better answer. I was like, react. And he's like, no, no, 870 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:40,380 man, I was using next.js. Okay, next job. Jas, just this is how 871 00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:43,650 I used to do meetings with acronyms and we bullshit. That's 872 00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:46,380 why like podcast, improving movement proposal. Yes, these 873 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:47,250 are very important. 874 00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:51,870 I mean, I think this is I think this is a good substitute to it 875 00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:55,260 solves problems and it formalizes the thing in a way 876 00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:58,050 that the world understands that we still don't have to have 877 00:52:58,050 --> 00:52:58,590 meetings. 878 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:02,310 I love that idea. Dave Jones, you're such a smart man. 879 00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:06,630 I just shot my wad. I mean, I'm done. I'm done. Well, a 880 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:09,840 recent pimper That was implement, implement, implement, 881 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,160 implement, implemented, implemented. And thanks, this 882 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,730 commentary blogger for the transcript Download Now. 883 00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:20,460 Available at podcasts. index.org. 884 00:53:20,970 --> 00:53:24,900 Yes, that's pretty cool. It needs a viewer though of some 885 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:25,500 sort. Like, I 886 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:32,220 know, I hit it on my phone and my phone goes, No. Yes. You can 887 00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:34,020 associate it with a text reader, I 888 00:53:34,020 --> 00:53:36,990 think. Do you do you do transcripts on any of your 889 00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:37,260 shows? 890 00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:38,970 You guys got transcripts? I've seen him? 891 00:53:39,419 --> 00:53:41,579 We've been playing with them for well, basically, since we 892 00:53:41,579 --> 00:53:44,399 started trying to implement the podcasting to know features been 893 00:53:44,399 --> 00:53:47,009 trying the different services, you know, going through the 894 00:53:47,009 --> 00:53:49,679 different cloud one's been looking for an open source one, 895 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:53,369 so I don't have a good system yet. But yeah, I just feel like 896 00:53:53,369 --> 00:53:55,979 if there's something out there, it's just a matter of technology 897 00:53:55,979 --> 00:53:58,619 and finding the right one, so I feel like that's a solvable 898 00:53:58,619 --> 00:53:59,129 problem. 899 00:53:59,790 --> 00:54:01,860 Can I just read a couple of these booster grams because 900 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:05,040 people are responding to us in real time just so we do a few of 901 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:11,460 these Yeah. Freudian slips stick it up your app 2222 Thank you. I 902 00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:15,900 thought it was relevant. Care Carolyn 1000 SATs these pimp 903 00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:20,130 meetings get me so energized about podcasting telling is this 904 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,490 You name it right man and people will flock to it. Darren 905 00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:24,720 Oh corner on the show. 906 00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:26,070 There are no 907 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,400 corner. Yes. 908 00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:36,210 Darren No. 54321 54,003 and 21 sads pain My Vague random 909 00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:39,600 thoughts is my fully podcasting 2.0 enabled solo show oats and 910 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:47,610 add transcript. Oh no, he's it's a he's chest thumping. Oh 2.0 911 00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:50,580 enabled transcripts chapter streaming SAS whatever other 912 00:54:50,580 --> 00:54:53,520 magical things you come up with. My voice is even silkier. Then 913 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,440 Gregory William Forsyth formance JC says I'm diluted but I'm 914 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,540 pretty sure I'm just diluted Okay, 915 00:55:01,050 --> 00:55:04,170 Darren heard that there were certain tags that Chris couldn't 916 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:06,630 implement so he just came by to kick right. 917 00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:12,930 Go past the Go podcasting from Florida and slips. Let me see 918 00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:18,570 pay tar This is when I want to mention 250,000 SATs. 919 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,480 God Almighty. You get Can you color and the meat? Yeah. And oh 920 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:24,660 man. 921 00:55:24,689 --> 00:55:27,299 Well, I mean, we don't know if it's the baller of the show, but 922 00:55:27,299 --> 00:55:32,909 of course, all right, we gotta roll it out. Oh man, Paola 923 00:55:33,299 --> 00:55:36,269 booster gram reads Christmas unfiltered podcast is how I 924 00:55:36,269 --> 00:55:39,929 found no agenda and no agendas how I found podcasting. 2.0 Love 925 00:55:39,929 --> 00:55:42,959 and Light from Chris. Oh, love and light. Chris. He says Pay 926 00:55:42,959 --> 00:55:44,039 tar. Yeah, 927 00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:45,390 that's true for Alex gates, too. 928 00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:48,360 I forgot about the unfiltered podcast. That was a good show. 929 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,970 It's just it seemed like a shitload of production work that 930 00:55:50,970 --> 00:55:54,960 was impossible to keep up with. You know it, you know it. And 931 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,450 that's what John and I kept saying, like, this is a great 932 00:55:57,450 --> 00:56:02,610 show. But man, the amount of editing they have to do is just 933 00:56:02,610 --> 00:56:03,180 crazy. Oh, 934 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:06,120 no, I did a live it was just still a ton of work it well. 935 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,520 I thought you did a lot of that in post. Oh, that was all live 936 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,290 that impressive. Very impressive. 937 00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:13,140 Still too much damn work, though. Yeah, 938 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,610 but it was. I enjoyed it. Because I said what clips did 939 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:22,290 they take from me? Let me go see. Which is why we publish 940 00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:25,680 them by the way. This is we love that. It probably 941 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,950 didn't happen it may have had. But you know, I think I heard on 942 00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:31,440 the show. You gave me a hard time for grabbing your bell but 943 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,930 I have about I've had a real pile right here for you. That's 944 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:37,080 legit. That's real. Everybody get your bows out. 945 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,660 I got a real Bell. Give me a break. I 946 00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:43,020 was out bells out. Bells out. Hold on. Let me write that one 947 00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:44,250 down. soundboard clip. It's 948 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:51,840 a real it's a real Bell man. She's Carolyn another. Missy 949 00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:56,550 1111. Showing love to the LIVE TAG chata for the 1000 Blueberry 950 00:56:56,550 --> 00:56:59,820 with 10,000 at some point in the future will be possible to send 951 00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:02,640 a boost that will play the Theramin live for you. Oh, okay, 952 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,240 I guess like an important customization of helipad. Dave, 953 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,990 take note and you'll be able to customize the sound. Lehmann 954 00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:15,000 creations 500 SATs for a selfie with Dave. No, thanks. 955 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,270 Appreciate it. Let's see what other booster grams 21 692 from 956 00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:25,740 Steve B. Steven B. He says Fiat $5.05 bucks for a server. Thank 957 00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:30,510 you. And those I think are the main ones. Yeah, that's what's 958 00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:32,550 been coming in since we've been live. Thank you, everybody. 959 00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:33,420 Appreciate that? 960 00:57:34,860 --> 00:57:40,830 How's it going? Chris? With with within income from boot from 961 00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:44,460 boost? Have you seen it? Is it rising? Is it stable? Is it like 962 00:57:44,490 --> 00:57:47,520 how are you? How are you? How do you notice that going? 963 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,060 So I've been doing some experiments. I think when people 964 00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:54,480 first get in, it tends to be a little low as they're trying to, 965 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,300 you know, just get a new understanding of what OSAT 966 00:57:57,330 --> 00:58:00,300 equals and all of that. But a couple of the other things that 967 00:58:00,990 --> 00:58:06,240 we've done to try to just not only encourage adoption, but get 968 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,540 people thinking about how much they're contributing, is for a 969 00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:12,780 month. Last month, we were doing a split with open SATs, which 970 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:15,630 contributes 100% of the SATs that they received to their 971 00:58:15,630 --> 00:58:18,720 general fund to free software projects. And so if you boost 972 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,280 and we gave a 15% split to open sets, and I think that helped, 973 00:58:23,310 --> 00:58:25,470 you know, and we're doing it again, for one of our hosts 974 00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:27,660 who's going to be doing some traveling on the road to get 975 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:29,640 down to our studio to do some projects. We're doing a split 976 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,620 with him for a bit and so the audience is contributing a 977 00:58:31,620 --> 00:58:34,110 little bit more I think than they had in the past. I don't 978 00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:37,620 know if I don't I don't think we're at the spot where we're 979 00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:40,470 making probably as much as we do with the memberships. But it's 980 00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:44,250 also I think early and I seem like I feel like we're getting 981 00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:46,230 more and more adoption. I feel like we're getting more boost 982 00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:48,930 into the show where we're starting to think now about you 983 00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:51,600 know, do we maybe set 1000 set threshold to read a message 984 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,830 because there's just a lot to get to 985 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,790 this is success when you have to set a threshold that's a 986 00:58:56,790 --> 00:59:01,290 beautiful moment. And don't be apprehensive because people will 987 00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:03,480 understand and they will love you no matter what. 988 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,700 I hope so. Yeah, no, I want to read all of them. I really do 989 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:11,130 but it also could just go on forever if we did that 990 00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:15,540 is the value shows the value for value model has a lot of 991 00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:17,760 interesting things that I encourage everyone to play 992 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,590 around with. You know, literally we've done sad puppy on this 993 00:59:22,590 --> 00:59:26,430 show and no agenda is done it you know, it's like hey, support 994 00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:31,590 is down. Look at this picture of the sad puppy. That's also 995 00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:36,960 braiding people works incredibly well. Make sure they troll you 996 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,270 with booster grams. I mean, these are all things you can 997 00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:43,290 people will love it. It's the it's the wackiest thing I've 998 00:59:43,290 --> 00:59:46,440 ever witnessed, and it never ceases to surprise me people 999 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,330 never cease to surprise me with their generosity. Their 1000 00:59:51,330 --> 00:59:56,370 genuineness it would those two go hand in hand with this 1001 00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:56,880 system. 1002 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,450 Yeah, and I think there is kind of an appetite for But right now 1003 01:00:00,450 --> 01:00:02,580 you look at everything else that's in the media. Now many 1004 01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:07,680 people are genuine anymore. And there is a real trust there. 1005 01:00:07,710 --> 01:00:10,950 Because if if you're if you're if your model is value for 1006 01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:15,330 value, you know that the creators incentives are aligned 1007 01:00:15,330 --> 01:00:18,150 with what the audience's incentives are. And that is 1008 01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:20,040 something you can see you can trust. Maybe they make a 1009 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,050 mistake. Maybe they say the wrong thing sometimes. But it's 1010 01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:24,780 not an intentional misdirection. It's not intentional 1011 01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:27,360 misinformation. Right. It just been a mistake. I think that's 1012 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,270 super valuable right now. Yeah, totally agree. 1013 01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:36,240 Okay, switching gears, the social interact tag, do you? Do 1014 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,190 you have any just formalized that this past week? And do you 1015 01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:45,090 have any personal desire to use that any of your stuff? 1016 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,730 I mean, that would it is my best understanding is it creates like 1017 01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:52,920 a thread on Mastodon for people to do comments. And then those 1018 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,350 are available about I don't understand much beyond that. 1019 01:00:55,740 --> 01:01:00,570 Yeah, so the social interact tag allows you to specify a, a route 1020 01:01:00,570 --> 01:01:06,120 post that exists somewhere on some sort of social network, or 1021 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,050 sis, so you know, commenting system, and eventually in the 1022 01:01:10,050 --> 01:01:13,680 future, and it'll be it'll be expanded to handle things like 1023 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,780 reviews and stuff like that. And in ratings and but me is really 1024 01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:22,710 a just a simplistic thing, where it's like, it specifies a URL, 1025 01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:26,190 which may go to an activity pub URL for an object protected 1026 01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:31,110 activity verb object, or a Twitter URL. This route is 1027 01:01:31,110 --> 01:01:35,730 intended to be the route of a discussion for that episode. So 1028 01:01:35,730 --> 01:01:39,990 then, if the podcast app speaks activity, pub, or speaks Twitter 1029 01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:44,730 or speaks whatever, then it can interact directly with the 1030 01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:48,090 thread and allow posting and reading from directly in the 1031 01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:56,220 app. So the reason I bring it up is this is, of course, it just 1032 01:01:56,220 --> 01:02:00,930 got formalized. But hosting companies, I think, don't have 1033 01:02:00,930 --> 01:02:04,650 hosting companies and apps. I don't think they realize that 1034 01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:10,620 they can do this right now, with activity pub. In a way that is 1035 01:02:10,650 --> 01:02:14,460 pretty simple. Because you got you there's two in the office to 1036 01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:18,060 facilitate that you have John Spurlock has two things that he 1037 01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:23,880 did, he really took the social interact, tag in himself, and 1038 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,470 started building software to make it happen. So he, I want to 1039 01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:33,060 I want to talk about two things, podcast social.org. That's an 1040 01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:38,760 API, that you can use his system to just auto create a route 1041 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,170 post, in an activity post route post. And then you can include 1042 01:02:43,170 --> 01:02:46,170 that in an automated fashion into your social interact tag, 1043 01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:50,760 then stuff can just the conversation can live there. And 1044 01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:54,960 all and with ditch that one API call you've, you've created a 1045 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,270 place where activity pub comments can live for this 1046 01:02:57,270 --> 01:03:02,850 episode. Then the flip side of that is the app side. And he's 1047 01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:05,940 got to reply, he's got a repo called thread cap, and thread 1048 01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:13,650 cash, just a JavaScript module that allows you to hook into 1049 01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:17,010 that route post, give it the route post URL, or the route 1050 01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:21,600 object, and it will pull in the entire thread of comments. So 1051 01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:26,940 there's two ready to go. code bases one, one, a service and 1052 01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:32,850 API and the other one, a drop in JavaScript code that can give 1053 01:03:32,850 --> 01:03:36,690 you either side of that that you're looking for. So I think 1054 01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:41,730 that the reason I bring this up is because yes, Twitter is he is 1055 01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:44,400 fine. And people know how to use the Twitter API and that kind of 1056 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,810 thing. But I would really love to see people not use Twitter. I 1057 01:03:48,810 --> 01:03:52,680 mean, these these activity, you know, activity Pub is there. 1058 01:03:52,980 --> 01:03:57,270 It's, it's got wide adoption. It's, it's the open source all, 1059 01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:01,020 you know, way to go. And I really rather people see people 1060 01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:03,330 incorporate the activity pub side of things. 1061 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,810 Yeah, that's interesting, because I know peer tube speaks 1062 01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:10,350 activity pub. So then I started thinking, Could we make the 1063 01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:14,250 comments on the live stream feed that we had published? Could we 1064 01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:17,640 make the comments on that video? The central point of discussion 1065 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,310 so we just funnel everybody to one point. So if they watch the 1066 01:04:20,310 --> 01:04:22,530 live stream, and they leave a comment, or if they're listening 1067 01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:25,500 to their podcast app, and they leave a comment, it's all on 1068 01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:27,420 peer to be activity pub that icon 1069 01:04:27,450 --> 01:04:30,690 Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. Yeah, cuz we do that already. 1070 01:04:30,690 --> 01:04:36,300 Like I did some live coding last night on on no agenda tube that 1071 01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:40,680 Alex runs and SSH I have a live stream there. If as sometimes 1072 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,500 I'll just fire that up and I was working on helipad last night 1073 01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:49,230 live and the detect the comments and stuff they go on. If you 1074 01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:52,200 post there. Yeah, it's full activity public can go you can 1075 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,940 see that on podcast index dot social. 1076 01:04:54,930 --> 01:05:00,210 Yeah, that could be really cool. Yeah, I wouldn't have I would 1077 01:05:00,210 --> 01:05:02,220 definitely use that if I could make that which, 1078 01:05:02,490 --> 01:05:05,700 which apps? As anyone implemented this, that I mean, 1079 01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:09,180 fully on this the reading side, I know pod verse shows them to 1080 01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:12,450 you, but can you interact yet with it? Does anyone implemented 1081 01:05:12,450 --> 01:05:14,490 that? I don't? I don't think 1082 01:05:14,490 --> 01:05:18,180 so. Anybody has implemented writing, writing with that, I 1083 01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:22,350 think, well, you know, pot friend may have that I don't 1084 01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:27,090 remember specifically. I'm not sure. But that this is a place 1085 01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:31,350 where we're a host, we're a host could pick this up and have a 1086 01:05:31,350 --> 01:05:34,260 big win right away. And they could just, you know, because 1087 01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:38,190 because the, from the app side, at least reading the comments 1088 01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:41,730 is, I mean, that's a drop in it's just John's Birla has 1089 01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:42,930 already done all the hard work. 1090 01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,100 I mean, the hostess hosting company could set it up so that 1091 01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:51,630 its activity pub, and that the thread is then displayed on the 1092 01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:54,870 podcasters website. So at least there's you know, a function for 1093 01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:58,980 it if someone doesn't have a podcast and 2.0 app yet. Yeah, 1094 01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:03,570 that's a good point. Sure. Yeah, yeah, that's usually my 1095 01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:06,240 trickiest thing. I mean, I guys I know you guys know this. The 1096 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,110 matric is all of this is user adoption because 30% of my 1097 01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:13,020 audience is on antenna pod and other good chunk are on overcast 1098 01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:16,500 and Apple podcasts and and then it's there's a long tail, a lot 1099 01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:18,960 of fountain these days. But you know, it's that's the tricky 1100 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,630 thing, too. So something on the web would really be key. 1101 01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:24,900 So what are those stats? Again, Krista, it's so what are most 1102 01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:26,310 your your users using? antenuptial? 1103 01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:28,500 I don't remember the numbers. Exactly. But in 10 pods, 1104 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:32,400 actually the largest and then it's followed pretty closely by 1105 01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:35,400 overcast and the other kind of big podcast players and Apple 1106 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,530 podcasts. And then you got fountain in there. And then you 1107 01:06:37,530 --> 01:06:39,960 got Spotify on the on the long tail. Okay. 1108 01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:43,170 Because antenna pod is really, you know, they're there. They 1109 01:06:43,170 --> 01:06:47,280 just put in podcasting to put our chapter. Yeah. And I think I 1110 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,580 think the social interact tag, especially in the activity pub 1111 01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:55,080 side, I feel like that would be a really good fit for their 1112 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,600 project. I think they would want to support that since it's all 1113 01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,110 open. Yeah, I could I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 1114 01:07:01,110 --> 01:07:05,790 right in their wheelhouse. Do y'all do live video at all? Or 1115 01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:06,930 do you do any video, 1116 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,020 we've just been getting back into live video, thanks to you 1117 01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:13,110 guys, really, because I was big into peer tube about two years 1118 01:07:13,110 --> 01:07:15,420 ago, but it just wasn't there for me yet. And then when I 1119 01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:17,580 heard that you guys were using peer tube and I saw Alex was 1120 01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:20,460 working on the NA two, I thought, Alright, I'll do this 1121 01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:23,640 again. I'll get the plumbing ready, so that we can do the lit 1122 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,340 tag, we'll be good to go. And so I got to kind of put cameras 1123 01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:28,650 back in the studio. And I started doing video again, just 1124 01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:32,310 kind of recently, just sort of a behind the scenes thing. Audio 1125 01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:33,270 is really the focus still. 1126 01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:35,610 Oh, like a Twitch stream or something is what we're doing. 1127 01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:35,850 Yeah, it's 1128 01:07:35,850 --> 01:07:38,550 on. It's on our pier, too. But yeah, just start on your watch 1129 01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:40,890 us in the studio. If you want to watch us sit with big 1130 01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:43,800 microphones and and talk. I tried to make it somewhat 1131 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,080 interesting. I tried to show the websites and stuff. But yeah, 1132 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,040 it's, you know, it's not it's not a YouTube show. It's we're 1133 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,980 doing our audio shows, but we put them up there and people 1134 01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:55,590 show up and they like to watch and stream it. So we'll do it. 1135 01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:58,110 Makes sense. 1136 01:08:00,270 --> 01:08:03,660 helipad API Dave, just since we're kind of in that realm 1137 01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:05,280 still before we slip out. 1138 01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:09,510 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was doing on live code lesson. 1139 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,570 Live coding last night was implementing the leaderboard 1140 01:08:12,570 --> 01:08:15,720 stuff. And I got that in there. So what does that mean? So 1141 01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:20,970 there's an extra table in in helipad. Now that will, every 1142 01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:25,770 minute or so it will build, it'll build a new leaderboard of 1143 01:08:26,220 --> 01:08:31,260 and it's per user per show. So there's an end there's an API 1144 01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:35,220 endpoint for it. Now, this core is enabled. So if you're running 1145 01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:39,150 helipad, somewhere, let's just say you had let me let's let's 1146 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,190 envision a scenario here where you have Hello pad in, in an 1147 01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:47,790 office or at your house or something. And it's running, 1148 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:49,740 it's communicating with your lightning node somewhere. And 1149 01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:53,700 it's pulling in boosts all the time and streams. And building 1150 01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:57,030 this leaderboard will if you were to throw something like 1151 01:08:57,030 --> 01:09:04,830 tail scale on there. And then on the on a website, you could you 1152 01:09:04,830 --> 01:09:09,630 could call out to the hell a pad API. 1153 01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:14,820 Tail scale isn't is enabling No more bullshit with router ports 1154 01:09:14,820 --> 01:09:19,800 and forwarding and busting open firewalls and insecurity. I love 1155 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,080 we'd love to scale 1156 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,390 in so you could do that. And then your website could be 1157 01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:31,050 running off of that data that's coming off of your off of your 1158 01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:33,840 Hello, Pat. If you wanted to have a live live leaderboard 1159 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,650 website. Nice. Yeah, but it'll there'll be a UI for it in 1160 01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:39,870 helipad where you can pull up and say show me my current 1161 01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:43,140 leaderboard. But you could you know, you can do it in a way but 1162 01:09:43,380 --> 01:09:47,970 right and what we built last night was just the the the 1163 01:09:47,970 --> 01:09:48,840 tables in the API 1164 01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:52,110 was this we who was this we were talking about me and 1165 01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:53,190 my dog Okay. 1166 01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:58,200 Dave's cheating on 1167 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,950 me. I actually think the features are just going to help 1168 01:10:01,950 --> 01:10:04,680 adoption, you know, people, they like seeing their names up on 1169 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,420 the leaderboard. And also as a creator, I don't want to miss 1170 01:10:09,420 --> 01:10:12,240 that somebody has been really contributing quite a bit, right? 1171 01:10:12,270 --> 01:10:14,580 Those kinds of details, if you're not keeping track of it, 1172 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,760 you can miss out on and forget to maybe thank somebody 1173 01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:19,620 approacher. So really 1174 01:10:19,650 --> 01:10:22,230 Oh, and you will, and you'll screw it up, and you'll skip 1175 01:10:22,230 --> 01:10:26,550 over stuff. And it happens. But I will tell you that I started a 1176 01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:30,600 new career in the keeper from the ground up. And there are 1177 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:35,070 people who really, really, really have no idea what they're 1178 01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:39,390 doing when it comes to even installing an app. It's like, I 1179 01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:43,860 don't really like doing apps. And and people like doing it's 1180 01:10:43,860 --> 01:10:46,500 like, Okay, I'm gonna do this, because I really want to get my 1181 01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:49,320 note read, I want to be a part of the show. I want to be a part 1182 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,750 of the community. And they do it. 1183 01:10:53,790 --> 01:10:57,060 It's great to see, I feel like if we could, if we could get 1184 01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:59,910 boosts via the web, you know, something you could embed as a 1185 01:10:59,910 --> 01:11:02,700 podcaster. On your website. I think we'd also see another 1186 01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:03,180 uptick. 1187 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,480 That's, that's, that's that's, I'll be right. Yeah, 1188 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:07,950 that's yeah, that's yeah, 1189 01:11:07,980 --> 01:11:10,530 they're almost done with that. I think aren't they done with the, 1190 01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:14,310 with the splits the integrating in or something? Like I heard 1191 01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:16,920 about it on pod land? sounded like they were close to that. 1192 01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:21,390 I don't I don't know. You know, about the web embedding of Lb Do 1193 01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:21,930 you, Chris. 1194 01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:25,230 I know about lb. But I didn't know they had a web embed. Yes. 1195 01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:25,740 So you can 1196 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,760 you can put a method, a meta tag into a web page and the lb 1197 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:34,290 extension will will see that on the side. And oh, yeah. Yeah. 1198 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:36,720 And you can donate directly through that. Yeah. Yeah. 1199 01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:39,360 I mean, I'm thinking more like what pod verse does, you know 1200 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,450 where you, you hit the lightning button, and then this new pane 1201 01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:44,520 expands, and you put the amount in the boost? And and you put 1202 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,450 the message in? 1203 01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:48,990 Right? That it's very, very similar, very similar to that. 1204 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,900 Oh, that's great. All right. I'll play around with that. 1205 01:11:52,860 --> 01:11:56,790 Yeah, it's pretty sweet. I think albies probably exactly what we 1206 01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:59,580 needed to just kind of take it to the next level. Yeah, 1207 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:03,390 I think so too. It took a lot of the complexity away. And in the 1208 01:12:03,390 --> 01:12:07,080 fact that you can hook it in to your own stuff on the backside, 1209 01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:12,060 if you want to. Mina means that you don't have to. I mean, if 1210 01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:14,790 you're, if you're hardcore, and you don't want to do custodial 1211 01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:17,910 anything, well, then you don't have to. Well, I mean, it's 1212 01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:21,120 custodial infrastructure. But as far as like, the destination of 1213 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,010 where everything's going to end up, you don't have to you don't 1214 01:12:23,010 --> 01:12:27,060 have to go that route, if you don't want to know. But yeah, 1215 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:31,290 and whoever wrote a shiver just went up Roy spawn when I said 1216 01:12:31,290 --> 01:12:36,660 that. For us, for the for the normies. out there. That's, 1217 01:12:36,690 --> 01:12:37,860 that's, that's pretty good. 1218 01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:40,050 What else is on your list? Dave? Do you have any other because 1219 01:12:40,050 --> 01:12:41,940 there's, there's so much going on? There's so many different 1220 01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:43,020 things you've been working on? 1221 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:45,990 Yeah, the other one that well, the other thing I've been 1222 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:49,440 working on pretty hard. I was I was hitting that a lot this week 1223 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:55,230 was the apple to apple look up in point in size. This is almost 1224 01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:57,120 done. And this is 1225 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,240 so that there can be a complete drop in replacement of the 1226 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,740 entire 2.0 system if they want to do it. And it would replace 1227 01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:06,750 all of the apple tags. 1228 01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:12,630 No, that no, no, this this is for the this is on the API. And 1229 01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:19,740 so within the API, there will be a public endpoint. Not behind 1230 01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:21,840 the token, anything would be a public endpoint, just like 1231 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,780 apples. So this is for their lookup endpoint. This is where 1232 01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:28,440 you can give it and you can say you can call Apple's API and 1233 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:32,340 say, here's the Apple iTunes, Id give me the information about 1234 01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:36,630 this podcast, I see it this would be a replacement for that, 1235 01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:39,840 excuse me, not a replacement. It could be but this is really 1236 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,370 meant. It's really meant to be a failover. So if Apple goes down, 1237 01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:50,160 you for it has an outage that apps and services can just do an 1238 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,720 A, B, and failover to us get the exact same data 1239 01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:58,830 you're using. Yeah, you're using the apple, the apple id for the 1240 01:13:58,830 --> 01:13:59,310 lookup. 1241 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,300 He's an Apple ID for the lookup. And then, but we're using our 1242 01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,540 database to fulfill the request. And so 1243 01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:09,900 then what so after that happens, then we send a bill to Apple or 1244 01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:10,560 how does that work? 1245 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,670 Yeah, no, it automatically generates an invoice. It goes 1246 01:14:14,670 --> 01:14:18,960 straight to Tim Cook. We bill you for $3 million in an hour. 1247 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,870 No big deal. Cool. It's 1248 01:14:21,870 --> 01:14:26,040 almost done. I need the last struggle I'm doing is I'm 1249 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,280 fighting through is the categories because I needed I 1250 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,380 needed apples internal category. 1251 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,330 Did a lot of category work, including the now in the export 1252 01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:37,710 of the database, I guess. 1253 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,730 Yeah, the category, the category, categories and 1254 01:14:41,730 --> 01:14:46,230 descriptions I didn't want I've resisted adding the Description 1255 01:14:46,260 --> 01:14:52,560 field of podcasts and for a long time because I knew it was just 1256 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,640 going to bloat the size of the download. And of course it did 1257 01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,530 but it went from about 800 megabytes toward and geez, it. 1258 01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:06,720 Well, the tars doesn't matter, but it went from 100 megabyte G 1259 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:12,240 zipped to like 1.3 gigs, Jesus and almost done. Wow. But that's 1260 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,520 in that. And that's with a limit of 1000 characters in 1261 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,850 description field. What's typical people wanted it, 1262 01:15:18,059 --> 01:15:20,429 what's the what's the typical amount of characters in the 1263 01:15:20,429 --> 01:15:23,309 Description field is more than $1,000? Man, 1264 01:15:23,309 --> 01:15:26,009 there's there's some fans out there that have, you know, a mag 1265 01:15:26,069 --> 01:15:31,919 in the description field. Outrageous. Yeah. Yeah crazy. 1266 01:15:32,819 --> 01:15:36,029 But yeah, that's That's uh that's just that's two things 1267 01:15:36,029 --> 01:15:39,089 that worked on this week. And I'm really just trying with the 1268 01:15:39,089 --> 01:15:44,249 lookup thing I'm really just trying to give I'm trying to 1269 01:15:44,249 --> 01:15:48,149 stay true to the mission of what we're of. There's the mission 1270 01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:51,029 for podcasting to know there's a mission for the IP on the index, 1271 01:15:51,269 --> 01:15:56,129 I'm trying to keep the mission pure on the index, and in give 1272 01:15:56,939 --> 01:16:01,049 developers a non Apple alternative to things when they 1273 01:16:01,049 --> 01:16:06,509 need it. That doesn't mean that we want to mean this, it would, 1274 01:16:06,599 --> 01:16:10,139 we can't afford to replace Apple's API. I mean, we don't 1275 01:16:10,139 --> 01:16:12,359 have that much money. So we can't afford that much 1276 01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:17,519 infrastructure. But we can and have in the past, stepped in and 1277 01:16:17,519 --> 01:16:20,519 full and fulfilled that role when the time called for it. And 1278 01:16:20,759 --> 01:16:25,619 I mean, that's, that's why Marco gives us $500 a month, because, 1279 01:16:25,769 --> 01:16:31,319 you know, we played an important role in, in, in his apps live 1280 01:16:31,709 --> 01:16:35,909 during that time when Apple went down. So that's consider that to 1281 01:16:35,909 --> 01:16:38,909 be really important. And we're going to you know, we need to 1282 01:16:38,909 --> 01:16:39,599 keep doing that. 1283 01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:45,960 I love this idea. And it'll it'll luring more developers go 1284 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,660 ahead, you know, where your where your insurance policy, you 1285 01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:54,060 may just want to hang out with us. Date, bait. Get it out of 1286 01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:59,670 bait. Nice, shall we? Thanks. Some people since you mentioned 1287 01:16:59,670 --> 01:17:02,730 Marco who indeed is one of the one of the people who supports 1288 01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:05,910 us with the value he was with a equal value to what he receives 1289 01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:08,790 out of it. We love that. Porter we thank and Dave 1290 01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:11,670 and Chris, you don't have a heart out. Can you hang with us 1291 01:17:11,670 --> 01:17:12,480 for some boosts? 1292 01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:13,740 I'm here for you. 1293 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:21,300 You're a beautiful man. It's a we got some we got some papers. 1294 01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:27,780 We got as usual. Every month Marco gave us $500 He was top of 1295 01:17:27,780 --> 01:17:28,230 mind. 1296 01:17:28,980 --> 01:17:32,070 Yes, well, not really a boost but we appreciate Yes, yes. 1297 01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:36,030 Thank you, sir. Marco. Appreciate that. Very much. And 1298 01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:42,420 we also got a sad puppy rescue donation from Dame Jennifer 1299 01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:47,370 Buchanan. Oh, really? Oh, yes. $133 1300 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,940 Wow. Jen, thank you so much. Yeah, 1301 01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:55,440 she says let's see if I can read this. It says oh noes. No Pay 1302 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:59,820 Pal donations last week. Vacate the sea vacation should be god 1303 01:17:59,820 --> 01:18:03,720 this is so hard to read. It's very light. Donation as the 1304 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,470 vacation should be celebrated. Well, I celebrate what y'all are 1305 01:18:07,470 --> 01:18:10,830 doing to preserve free speech. Even when that includes my 1306 01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:15,660 slightly corny jingles which may even make even me blush named 1307 01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:16,080 Jennifer. 1308 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:26,010 It's so when you talk math, Ron, that stinks. Dry. Math to me. 1309 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,180 You're supposed to say that for episode 100. 1310 01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:34,530 Oh, I was I suppose I'm sorry. I forgot I forgot our deal. Wow. 1311 01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:37,260 I'm so sorry. Well, I left the barn door. I'll get you a new 1312 01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:40,710 one. Out. slipped out. 1313 01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:45,480 We Yep. So that's, that's our two paper towels and Oh, thank 1314 01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,610 you. Thank you, Jen. Batch 1315 01:18:47,610 --> 01:18:50,460 boosts though, okay, batch big batch of boosts. 1316 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:56,040 Let's see. We got to do you know who sent us a boost this week? 1317 01:18:57,180 --> 01:19:03,300 Or will Oh really? Yes do from the grave. He sent us 1111 SATs 1318 01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:06,240 through fountain and he says Adam, why did you close our 1319 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:06,810 channel? 1320 01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:13,560 Oh this is so there is a George Orwell's and I know the channel 1321 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,740 because you know we about 140 channels. And so I go through 1322 01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:18,870 them regularly to see how everything's doing if we got 1323 01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:22,020 some good health on the channels everything. And from time to 1324 01:19:22,020 --> 01:19:24,780 time. What are you laughing about? 1325 01:19:25,050 --> 01:19:27,840 I'm just laughing because George Orwell complained about you 1326 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,040 closing this chant? Yeah, 1327 01:19:29,070 --> 01:19:33,300 well, from time to time. l&d just closes channels and then 1328 01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:38,160 people say, Hey, man, why don't you close my channel? I didn't 1329 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,590 and of course I had no way to respond to this, but I saw the 1330 01:19:40,590 --> 01:19:44,880 booster Graham come in on my own helipad. And like Ah, man, I'm 1331 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,410 glad we hit that one because I want to say I didn't just give 1332 01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:52,680 me your your ID and and we'll open a new one. No problem. 1333 01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:55,740 This is a long standing bug within lnd 1334 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,940 ever gonna fix in this ODOT 15 or whatever it is. 1335 01:20:00,570 --> 01:20:04,110 He says, George says I just wanted to support you with 1336 01:20:04,110 --> 01:20:07,740 forwarding payments with zero base fee. Yes. Well, sure. Thank 1337 01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:09,600 you. We appreciate that. Now, this 1338 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:14,100 has happened to us with with our huge family channel to pay. I 1339 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:15,750 mean, it's just closed randomly before. 1340 01:20:16,650 --> 01:20:18,450 Yeah, that really sucks. When that happens. 1341 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,590 No hard feelings. George. George followed up again with 1342 01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:29,880 111 111 11. He says, is that number 111 11 111 1111 1111? 1343 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,970 Yes. Because sometimes when I'm listening to no agenda or 1344 01:20:32,970 --> 01:20:35,970 another podcast where you are in the value split, I got an error. 1345 01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:38,460 So assume that had something to do with inbound liquidity. 1346 01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:44,760 Okay, no, that's different. If there's if there's an error in 1347 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,010 the value split, that could be my note at home was down or that 1348 01:20:50,010 --> 01:20:53,700 could be something else. I don't know. I don't know it. I don't 1349 01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:56,610 think it was on yalls end. Not your fault for sure. 1350 01:20:57,660 --> 01:21:02,700 It's a mystery. Yes. Abel Kirby says 8888 says there carry a 1351 01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:10,110 caster and he says, Pew Thank you. Michael. Sean Becker sent 1352 01:21:10,110 --> 01:21:14,010 us 10,000 says 10k big monster Casta Matic and he says first 1353 01:21:14,010 --> 01:21:18,090 booster gram Oh, he's pumped to boost gram cherry he says have 1354 01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:21,600 been around since DSC days go podcasting. Oh no. Don't boost 1355 01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:25,860 boost Thank you. Welcome. 1356 01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:31,620 We get to say we were all there. The day that he no didn't lost 1357 01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:33,210 his buddy. Boost virginity 1358 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,660 if if you were listening to his daily source code, you get to 1359 01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:38,070 say hi, I'm old 1360 01:21:42,180 --> 01:21:48,750 Roy Schonfeld Arias 54 321 bombshell through breeze and he 1361 01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:50,310 says, I missed you guys. 1362 01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:57,150 We miss you too. Roy. Roy, did you see his his post his Medium 1363 01:21:57,150 --> 01:22:00,780 post which also went up on Bitcoin magazine? I have it 1364 01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:04,350 right here in my hand. Yeah. Follow up to GGS This is very 1365 01:22:04,350 --> 01:22:08,640 interesting. And this isn't an industry wide push the way I see 1366 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,500 it now. To change the word wallet into something else, 1367 01:22:13,530 --> 01:22:17,310 which I think Roy is proposing payment, you know, app a payment 1368 01:22:17,310 --> 01:22:21,330 app if using a podcast and just the podcast app. And I'm not 1369 01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:25,770 quite sure why this seems like there's a little more behind it. 1370 01:22:25,770 --> 01:22:29,520 Why is everyone running away from the and I? The way it's 1371 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,700 explained in the articles? I completely get it, buddy too. 1372 01:22:32,730 --> 01:22:36,000 But what okay, I mean it that's a hard one. 1373 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,670 I wonder if it's just a sort of, do you know what we're talking 1374 01:22:41,670 --> 01:22:46,860 about? Chris? Barry, completely lost? I'm following you. Yeah, 1375 01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:49,800 there's Roy wrote an article in the name of you want to go read 1376 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:50,220 it as 1377 01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:54,090 I think I actually did come across this one. And and the 1378 01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:57,660 idea sort of is, is that while it turns off new users to term, 1379 01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,560 right, yeah, 1380 01:22:58,590 --> 01:23:02,100 yeah. And then in general, just inaccurate, you know? Because 1381 01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:07,230 it's not really what, it's not really what wallets do. And so I 1382 01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:10,290 agree with it. But I wonder if this is just a spontaneous sort 1383 01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:15,900 of thing of trying to take it, take the nomenclature away, 1384 01:23:15,930 --> 01:23:18,840 because maybe it's causing trouble with App Store 1385 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,450 submissions, or when they see wallet, 1386 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,900 I get it in the context of web three, when you're gonna log 1387 01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:29,160 into a website with your wallet that feels weird and broken. But 1388 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,300 having, you know, 10,000 SATs in a lightning wallet on my podcast 1389 01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:35,460 app, I don't have any problem with that at all. If I were 1390 01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:39,420 going to change any nomenclature around Bitcoin, I would change 1391 01:23:39,450 --> 01:23:43,170 mining into producing because mining creates a visualization 1392 01:23:43,170 --> 01:23:47,040 in your head that's resource intensive, but producing that's 1393 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,830 fresh and clean. So let's focus on that. Not on the wallet 1394 01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:50,130 thing. 1395 01:23:51,390 --> 01:23:54,060 Okay, yeah, it's like you're burning the ocean. You're 1396 01:23:54,060 --> 01:23:55,770 boiling the oceans mining. 1397 01:23:56,820 --> 01:23:59,460 Reducing Bitcoin. That's a great thing. But the wallet This 1398 01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:00,570 doesn't seem like a big deal to me. 1399 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,050 I don't know if I have an opinion on it yet. I mean, to 1400 01:24:04,050 --> 01:24:07,320 me, I think you're right. David seems like this is because 1401 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:12,000 there's so much legal framework stuff being done around wallets, 1402 01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:17,130 you know, the EU is probably leading and go bad wallet, and 1403 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:23,250 whatever. And hosted wallets, all this kind of stuff. And I 1404 01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,310 think from a political angle moving forward, it makes sense 1405 01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:30,060 to say no, this is really just some keys. And this is just a 1406 01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:33,360 way for you to sign something so people know that you approve 1407 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:33,810 this, 1408 01:24:34,110 --> 01:24:36,870 which is like a keychain sort of sort of a name case. Yeah, I 1409 01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:41,100 mean, keychain but but man you're it's a it's a uphill 1410 01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:45,420 battle. I mean, just look at the iPhone has a wallet and the 1411 01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:48,780 wallet. It contains your Apple Pay and your driver's license 1412 01:24:48,780 --> 01:24:53,130 and god knows what else is. It's hard. It's hard to that's a 1413 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:56,610 tough one. It's almost like you know, YouTube, I got a podcast. 1414 01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,760 I'm on YouTube, like, what am I going to say? Well, no, but 1415 01:24:59,790 --> 01:25:02,940 okay. I don't know, interest is 1416 01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:06,390 an element of using the term wallet to help with adoption for 1417 01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:09,000 new users. It's least something they kind of can wrap their head 1418 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,980 around when it's such a new tool. 1419 01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:14,460 But then why? Then why are they saying it's bad for adoption? 1420 01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:18,810 I just don't agree. Maybe I think it is. In some cases, 1421 01:25:18,839 --> 01:25:21,419 I can already feel Roy getting ready to call me tomorrow. 1422 01:25:22,019 --> 01:25:25,079 No, no, this is this is the way this the way this this is the 1423 01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:29,069 system working. We say things against what he wrote. And so 1424 01:25:29,069 --> 01:25:30,569 he'll have to boost us again. Next. 1425 01:25:30,599 --> 01:25:33,329 Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes. I'm gonna pick up the phone. Yeah, just 1426 01:25:33,329 --> 01:25:37,229 boost us. Boost us with your opinions. Roy. Goes to 1427 01:25:37,229 --> 01:25:37,919 everybody. 1428 01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:45,120 Yes, it's bait, boost bait and 10,000 SATs from dude into 1429 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:50,220 fountain. And he says it he says 10k set minimum for boost reads. 1430 01:25:50,340 --> 01:25:51,360 Oh, no, 1431 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,800 that's pretty high. 1432 01:25:53,099 --> 01:25:53,969 That's pretty high. 1433 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,310 Maybe we'll get there. If we're really successful. We'll get 1434 01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:57,060 there. We'll see 1435 01:25:57,089 --> 01:26:00,929 ya. Alberto. I have to assume this is out there tomorrow. 1436 01:26:00,929 --> 01:26:04,739 says.com says 200 says now we really don't. We just 1437 01:26:04,739 --> 01:26:08,879 implemented the 1000 sat limit, really? But when Alberta sends 1438 01:26:08,879 --> 01:26:15,959 you a boost, from our sense, you have to read it. Okay. You're 1439 01:26:15,959 --> 01:26:21,149 coming in cold, Alberta? Yes. Podcasting. He says podcasting 1440 01:26:21,149 --> 01:26:22,499 2.0 To the Moon. 1441 01:26:22,860 --> 01:26:26,220 Okay. All right to the moon. 1442 01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:32,400 When you're gonna say to the moon, you gotta bring more than 1443 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,540 200. SAS? Yeah, I 1444 01:26:33,540 --> 01:26:35,070 think so we have 1445 01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:38,910 mere mortals podcasts, and it's a row ducks 2222 through 1446 01:26:38,910 --> 01:26:42,480 fountain and he says, I like that Tom did that motion to look 1447 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:45,060 for the positive side of things. It's a really refreshing 1448 01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:45,600 mindset, 1449 01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,070 the motion of positivity. Thanks for your ducks. 1450 01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:54,030 If you've ever hung out with Tom for very long, he's just a happy 1451 01:26:54,030 --> 01:26:57,090 guy. He cannot he cannot stay on the negative side of things for 1452 01:26:57,090 --> 01:27:03,630 very long. I can say I can hang out there forever. But I was 1453 01:27:03,630 --> 01:27:10,920 born a cynic Kevin bass and is 100,000 SATs Whoa, through 1454 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,910 fountain and he says this might be a really bad idea. But what 1455 01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:18,300 if someone put together a podcast index conference? It's 1456 01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:21,810 really bad at this conference, it would be focused only on 1457 01:27:21,810 --> 01:27:24,990 software hardware, namespace standards, value seminars, 1458 01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,320 crypto onboarding, hands on and anything else except advertising 1459 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,820 and growing your show? All the things that are not advertising 1460 01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:35,670 and Gorani just a thought podcast, 1461 01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:39,660 you will go podcast and do that sounds a bit like sounds a bit 1462 01:27:39,660 --> 01:27:41,040 like the hackathon to me. 1463 01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:46,230 Yes, Chris. I did. Thoughts on the hackathon. Is it a good 1464 01:27:46,230 --> 01:27:46,650 idea? 1465 01:27:47,340 --> 01:27:50,430 I I would I would go to a podcasting Judo conference. So 1466 01:27:50,430 --> 01:27:52,830 yeah, I think a hackathon is a great idea. I think I think 1467 01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:56,190 you'd be surprised. Okay, I think people want to I want they 1468 01:27:56,190 --> 01:27:58,140 want to get together. They want to strategize and they want to 1469 01:27:58,140 --> 01:28:00,630 build tools around this. I want you know, I keep thinking every 1470 01:28:00,630 --> 01:28:02,490 time you guys talk about something, I think, Okay, what's 1471 01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:04,710 my workflow for that? How am I going to integrate that? How do 1472 01:28:04,710 --> 01:28:07,200 I get all my hosts on board? You know, that kind of stuff. And 1473 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,020 anytime you get a chance to just chat with people in person and 1474 01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:12,570 talk about that kind of stuff. It feels like you get like two 1475 01:28:12,570 --> 01:28:14,790 months worth of stuff done in like, in one week. 1476 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:19,950 That's true history. We were going to Podcast Movement. We're 1477 01:28:19,950 --> 01:28:22,980 going to do a talk there. So I think what we could do is 1478 01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:26,400 instead of creating a podcasting 2.0 conference, we could just 1479 01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,850 slowly over the next few years by them over more and more. 1480 01:28:31,710 --> 01:28:32,490 That's my strategy. 1481 01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,650 By that's what I do by them. We got to note follow SATs. Bitch, 1482 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,300 what is this place cost? 1483 01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:46,830 Karen for the mere mortals podcast. He sent us 9494 SATs 1484 01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:49,080 there Curio Castro, he says boosting because you guys are 1485 01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:54,690 awesome. I missed p 2.0. as well. Thanks, Carrie. We missed 1486 01:28:54,690 --> 01:28:58,770 you too, brother. Sure did. Now, James Crillon came in with a 1487 01:28:58,770 --> 01:29:03,810 droopy boost of 150. Oh, sorry. Oops, no, no, take 1488 01:29:03,810 --> 01:29:05,700 that back boost boost. 1489 01:29:06,690 --> 01:29:11,040 He says, ha, I didn't call Adam a dick. Just there's a potential 1490 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:15,090 personality clash between you and some others in the industry. 1491 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,490 Not a criticism. You speak your mind. And I welcome that. 1492 01:29:17,849 --> 01:29:21,689 Oh, interesting. So first of all, if I hadn't made it clear, 1493 01:29:23,129 --> 01:29:25,619 that was all on me, James. I immediately thought you were 1494 01:29:25,619 --> 01:29:28,379 calling me a dick. My wife called me down. She's like, now 1495 01:29:28,379 --> 01:29:31,079 you're seeing this the wrong way. Which is why I love her why 1496 01:29:31,079 --> 01:29:34,829 I'm married to her. So and I sorry if that wasn't apparent. I 1497 01:29:34,829 --> 01:29:39,059 don't think there's personality clashes. Some people just dicks. 1498 01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,290 There's no clash. 1499 01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:48,330 There's no clash. I have no problem but I do speak my mind. 1500 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,740 And if people don't like it, then it seems like everyone else 1501 01:29:52,740 --> 01:29:54,600 in the industry speaks their mind. Certainly people at 1502 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,030 Spotify say what they what they feel and what they believe. 1503 01:29:57,630 --> 01:30:01,200 No lack of speaking, no of mine. There's no podcasts and 1504 01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,270 I like that. That's the way it should be. It's good. 1505 01:30:03,300 --> 01:30:06,810 I think. I think the results are speaking for themselves. Yeah, 1506 01:30:06,810 --> 01:30:07,560 and I 1507 01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,740 wish only everybody well, but I do kind of want everybody to 1508 01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:14,040 play the play in the same fields, you know. So if you want 1509 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,410 to go off and do your own thing, good, Bubba 1510 01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:22,140 Jameson, another 150, SAS, and he says, I've never I've not 1511 01:30:22,140 --> 01:30:25,530 ever called them quote, silly internet tokens, unquote. 1512 01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:30,360 Yes, I heard him say that. Maybe not silly. 1513 01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:34,440 Okay, I've called them in the past internet tokens or internet 1514 01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:36,030 money because I recommend 1515 01:30:36,030 --> 01:30:39,570 the money he said funny money. I find the money money. That's it 1516 01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:40,350 funny money. 1517 01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:41,670 That's it funny money. He 1518 01:30:41,670 --> 01:30:45,180 doesn't matter because yeah, sorry. I was at it. No. Yeah, he 1519 01:30:45,180 --> 01:30:45,720 says because I 1520 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,510 reckon the word cryptocurrency turns many people off. 1521 01:30:48,570 --> 01:30:52,740 Yeah. Alan turns me off. I hate I hate calling it crypt. I call 1522 01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:55,140 it value for value. You don't see me here. You don't hear me 1523 01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:58,950 saying crypto ever a man. We're using crypto. Now. That's 1524 01:30:58,950 --> 01:31:04,380 horrible that that's repellent. Value for value is? But yeah. 1525 01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:08,190 Okay. But I'm just saying in the beginning. Yeah. When we first 1526 01:31:08,190 --> 01:31:12,210 started off, there was a lot of resistance. And people like what 1527 01:31:12,210 --> 01:31:16,920 is this? There was a lot of resistance talk, you know, just 1528 01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:21,420 like funny money, whatever. All I'm saying is, I love what I'm 1529 01:31:21,420 --> 01:31:26,820 seeing. I love how you know when I when I have to hear not have 1530 01:31:26,820 --> 01:31:29,580 to when I hear on a podcast, I don't produce that. I'm just a 1531 01:31:29,580 --> 01:31:33,150 listener of fan of pod land. And that's where I hear about 1532 01:31:33,150 --> 01:31:37,440 announcement between lb haven't met the lb guys on the social 1533 01:31:37,860 --> 01:31:43,650 and rss.com I mean, that I immediately texted my wife said 1534 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,330 so unbelievable what's happening. Fuck marketing. This 1535 01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:51,030 should just works. It's just it's so good. People just wanted 1536 01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:53,700 that just using it. And they're talking about it that it makes 1537 01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:54,780 me super happy. 1538 01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,850 People buy $10 A SATs and spin them? Isn't a SAT and internet 1539 01:31:59,850 --> 01:32:02,610 token? Or do we need to confuse and complicated by talking about 1540 01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:05,100 crypto to a public that does not understand crypto? 1541 01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:08,430 No, we don't need to use the word crypto at all its value for 1542 01:32:08,430 --> 01:32:12,720 value and we do it with SATs and then how you get those. Now you 1543 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:13,920 have to be a crypto expert. 1544 01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:17,340 Now if we want to change the nomenclature around something, 1545 01:32:18,210 --> 01:32:21,420 getting rid of the word crypto, it would be fine by me that 1546 01:32:21,450 --> 01:32:23,280 that's that word has become I don't use 1547 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:28,890 it. I despise it. I never liked it. And I thought I also Bitcoin 1548 01:32:28,890 --> 01:32:31,560 to me is in a different category. But I don't want we 1549 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:36,030 don't need to have a jihad conversation. I know Chris would 1550 01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:40,320 be right there with me with his with his Kalashnikov. And your 1551 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,890 Toyota truck. Going to the hardest. 1552 01:32:44,430 --> 01:32:47,010 It's a coin dad pod backing us up. 1553 01:32:47,490 --> 01:32:52,530 So yeah, but yeah, I think it value for value seems to be well 1554 01:32:52,530 --> 01:32:56,340 understood. And when I didn't want to look at get alby.com 1555 01:32:56,430 --> 01:32:59,700 They've got a whole value for value description. I love this. 1556 01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:02,370 It can it can be a little different for everybody. You can 1557 01:33:02,370 --> 01:33:05,940 describe it in different ways. This I think is the big eye 1558 01:33:05,940 --> 01:33:11,160 opener. We struggled for months and months and months about a 1559 01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:16,140 website and marketing and, and nomenclature and words. And the 1560 01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:20,790 best things have just have happened without look. Did we 1561 01:33:20,820 --> 01:33:24,420 ever market booster Graham the term though we just started 1562 01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,770 using it. Pod ping lit. Oh my god, I hear people saying Oh, 1563 01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:32,370 no. Like Todd Cochran is talking about the show is lit. I mean, 1564 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,920 it doesn't even make sense to someone who has no we're talking 1565 01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:39,660 about what we're using it. And that's, that is so powerful. So 1566 01:33:39,660 --> 01:33:45,030 that means that the My hunch? And what I think I've always 1567 01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:48,990 said is that when people start talking about innovation or 1568 01:33:48,990 --> 01:33:53,160 something new in podcasting, and they do it on their podcast, it 1569 01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,640 propagates and then someone hears that tell someone else 1570 01:33:56,670 --> 01:34:02,460 they tell a host it's its own kind of slow, very slow, but 1571 01:34:02,460 --> 01:34:06,060 it's a it's a slow wave of marketing that is unbelievable 1572 01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:09,690 in podcasting, it's unparalleled in any other industry. 1573 01:34:11,340 --> 01:34:13,500 And if I could jump in I would just say I think a lot of credit 1574 01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:16,980 goes to you Adam for giving podcasters a language to express 1575 01:34:16,980 --> 01:34:19,860 these ideas and then you're starting to see the network 1576 01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:22,710 effect of more and more people using that language. And you 1577 01:34:22,710 --> 01:34:24,570 know it started with you and John 1578 01:34:24,630 --> 01:34:29,460 All I want is a plaque just a plaque doesn't matter we're in 1579 01:34:29,460 --> 01:34:32,460 Texas it doesn't have to be you know, and you can burn me and 1580 01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:35,490 smoke me and clay Jackson Brown the loadout Everything else is 1581 01:34:35,490 --> 01:34:37,680 fine just the plaque on plaque. That's all I need. It seems 1582 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:38,100 fair. 1583 01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:39,930 Jackson Brown. 1584 01:34:41,670 --> 01:34:44,130 My death song and you're slamming it 1585 01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,670 can't handle Jackson Brown. This you don't like the loadout? No, 1586 01:34:50,670 --> 01:34:53,370 I something about his something about his voice. 1587 01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,750 Okay, well, all right. Chris. uninvite Dave from my funeral 1588 01:34:57,750 --> 01:35:00,360 please. Okay. He's not allowed to listen I'm allowed 1589 01:35:03,419 --> 01:35:07,739 James Crillon again 1001 sets and he says and because the 1590 01:35:07,739 --> 01:35:10,799 other two booths I said, here's another one. 1591 01:35:11,190 --> 01:35:14,040 There it is. Okay. Well played. Well, I was about to complain 1592 01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,620 about that too. Well played. Well played, sir. I'm looking 1593 01:35:16,620 --> 01:35:20,700 forward to hanging out with. With James a Podcast Movement. 1594 01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:26,130 Yeah, let's drink some beers. Satoshi streams and it's 5552 1595 01:35:26,430 --> 01:35:29,550 through fountain and with a heart and with a heart emoji. 1596 01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:33,030 Oh, booze. Thank you. So nice. 1597 01:35:33,420 --> 01:35:37,860 Cast VLAN 4550 through fountain and he says he folk I never do a 1598 01:35:37,860 --> 01:35:40,920 live show boost. I guess it was a no agenda boost where you're 1599 01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,880 calling out. You were calling out on podcast in Tupelo. 93 Oh, 1600 01:35:44,910 --> 01:35:48,840 I had fun and earn 160 SATs. I don't get I don't get the 1601 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,160 earnings so far. You can have them you can have them. Keep on 1602 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:54,750 the work. Keep up the work boost. 1603 01:35:54,780 --> 01:35:56,520 Thanks. Thank you very much. 1604 01:35:56,580 --> 01:36:02,280 Thank you guys. George Orwell coming in again. 2222 Rilla 1605 01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,860 ducks and he says nevermind it was a force close. 1606 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:13,170 There it is. Complaint complaint followed up and then resolved 1607 01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:16,050 all with money. Thank you. Work. Sorry. It works. 1608 01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:19,980 Chris, did you you were a naughty freelancer for a while. 1609 01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:24,270 Right? A long time? Yeah. Long time. Do you remember? I don't 1610 01:36:24,270 --> 01:36:29,880 know the origin of this. But do you remember the it it was it 1611 01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,720 was a list called the I think it was like it achievements. Okay, 1612 01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:38,160 they were no, they they looked you know, they're based on Xbox 1613 01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,580 achievements. And so they would have they would have a name and 1614 01:36:41,580 --> 01:36:45,540 an icon and then a description of it. So like, one of them was 1615 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:51,090 one of them was I forgot the name of the it was like 1616 01:36:51,090 --> 01:36:55,140 Dominator or something that was said to fix a problem by doing 1617 01:36:55,140 --> 01:36:59,010 nothing. And so you know, it's like those people that call you 1618 01:36:59,010 --> 01:37:01,050 on the on the Help Desk and they're like, Hey, I've got 1619 01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:06,090 Okay, nevermind in the hangar. Yeah, my favorite one window was 1620 01:37:06,420 --> 01:37:09,900 that's basically what just happened here with. With him he 1621 01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:13,110 fixed his own problem. But my favorite one of those was called 1622 01:37:13,110 --> 01:37:17,760 areola bold. It was fun to secret pornstache in somebody's 1623 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:18,570 fonts folder. 1624 01:37:21,570 --> 01:37:23,250 Did it ever come in handy? 1625 01:37:23,670 --> 01:37:29,160 Oh, yes. I've gotten that achievement many times. Yeah, oh 1626 01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:29,520 yeah. 1627 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,650 And what do you do? Do you follow up and say it with an 1628 01:37:31,650 --> 01:37:35,640 email Hi employee we've noticed some 1629 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,870 case it was the owner so I just basically a wink and a nod and I 1630 01:37:39,870 --> 01:37:42,150 just got myself a longer term contract. 1631 01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:49,500 Extend extension. Yeah. Cole McCormick one cent is 3333 cents 1632 01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:52,290 through fountain and he says I would like to motion for 1633 01:37:52,290 --> 01:37:56,190 positivity and high THC percentages. The board meeting 1634 01:37:56,190 --> 01:37:57,930 deserves top shelf stuff. 1635 01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:00,540 Nothing but the best of the board. 1636 01:38:00,870 --> 01:38:06,510 Thank you go see Nomad Joe says 1234 SAS through curio Castro 1637 01:38:06,510 --> 01:38:11,430 and he says testing curio caster they were they worked? Yes test 1638 01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:17,370 successful. In BS since 33 333 through fountain 1639 01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:18,510 nice since you 1640 01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:28,500 go podcasting in BS mollusk send us 10,000 SATs through fountain 1641 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,160 he says I would love to see Chris Fisher invited as a guest 1642 01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:32,970 on the show. 1643 01:38:33,540 --> 01:38:35,490 Your Your wish is our command. 1644 01:38:37,020 --> 01:38:41,400 Thanks for the great work really delivering that you have. Yeah, 1645 01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:46,230 I mean, you brought people before you even before they even 1646 01:38:46,230 --> 01:38:48,870 realized that you brought people. This was fantastic. 1647 01:38:50,460 --> 01:38:55,860 Lyceum 22 to 22 of the humongous row of dogs and he says I've 1648 01:38:55,860 --> 01:38:59,130 tried to add the row of ducks number 2222 Satoshis to the 1649 01:38:59,130 --> 01:39:02,580 booster gram numerology page on GitHub. I've probably crashed 1650 01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:06,420 the page now. How many ducks could have? How many ducks could 1651 01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:09,600 you have in a row? All the best Martin Lind discard well I see 1652 01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:10,200 him theropods. 1653 01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,910 Oh, yeah, Martin. He's another one of these podcast listeners 1654 01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:18,300 who showed up and is boosting shows and is tweeting and is 1655 01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:19,860 helping promote it's beautiful. 1656 01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:24,030 Yes, fantastic. He's all over the place. He twittering 1657 01:39:25,650 --> 01:39:29,730 blueberry. What a blueberry. He sent us a big fat road ducks 22 1658 01:39:29,730 --> 01:39:34,110 to 22 and he says oh hell yeah. This past Sunday for episode 107 1659 01:39:34,110 --> 01:39:40,500 We successfully deployed IRC, a cough IR cacophony with IRC 1660 01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:44,670 capitalised, SC IR cacophony, which is an IRC tool that 1661 01:39:44,670 --> 01:39:47,790 allowed us to hear different pew sounds. Different amounts 1662 01:39:47,790 --> 01:39:48,270 boosted 1663 01:39:48,299 --> 01:39:54,509 Nice. Oh like that. So join helipad is so advanced now or 1664 01:39:54,779 --> 01:39:57,629 will be so advanced you don't have to look at some measly 1665 01:39:57,629 --> 01:40:01,529 boost. Now we wait for the fire Work sound effect that we know 1666 01:40:01,529 --> 01:40:02,129 it's good. 1667 01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:06,570 It was very surreal to have producers boost in firing off 1668 01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:09,000 their own ISOs of Alex Jones and Jim 1669 01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:16,110 This is a cool idea I like this so you can fire up different 1670 01:40:16,110 --> 01:40:19,830 sounds based upon the number of the boosted grandma is good. You 1671 01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:22,470 should we could just have a full time stream that just does 1672 01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:27,510 nothing but that if you ever have a selection of whatever and 1673 01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:29,640 you just boost gets queued up 1674 01:40:30,780 --> 01:40:33,900 in my reading this right he says it was very surreal to have 1675 01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:38,730 producers boost in firing off their own ISOs have Alex gently 1676 01:40:39,300 --> 01:40:43,080 did they? Are they somehow providing the morale of 1677 01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:47,580 their musket? I don't know. I love I liked this idea no matter 1678 01:40:47,580 --> 01:40:51,690 what it is. That's terrifying. No, it's fantastic. Think of it 1679 01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:56,340 just a 24 hour seven stream and you know minimum minimum boost 1680 01:40:56,340 --> 01:41:01,050 is you know, 10,000 or whatever. And are you 10,000 You get a one 1681 01:41:01,050 --> 01:41:06,600 minute sound clip played. I'm just dreaming once again, but I 1682 01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,870 can see that I can see listening to it. Like oh, I'll listen to 1683 01:41:09,870 --> 01:41:11,040 this crazy stuff. 1684 01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:15,810 That would get nuts. He says very cool. questionably legal, 1685 01:41:15,930 --> 01:41:17,160 no permission required. 1686 01:41:18,990 --> 01:41:22,710 Very questionably legal. Very questionable. Running with 1687 01:41:22,710 --> 01:41:23,400 Scissors. 1688 01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:30,960 Yes. NECA Pfeiffer 7777. Lucky numbers a strike. Getting a 1689 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,720 striper boost. He says getting my boost in early due to a busy 1690 01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:34,950 meeting scheduled today. 1691 01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:37,860 Very nice. Thank you. Good. 1692 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,940 And this limiter college Chris, listen to Chris 1693 01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:46,380 jumping in like he's been in the boardroom forever. You're such a 1694 01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,900 podcast or room for weeks such podcasts 1695 01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:57,330 boost, boost, boost, comic strip blogger follow series 15,033. 1696 01:41:57,330 --> 01:42:00,270 SAS through fountain and he says, How do you Dave and Adam, 1697 01:42:00,540 --> 01:42:04,260 do you know any movie director who needs British actor? I'm 1698 01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:05,190 asking. No, 1699 01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:06,270 I only know one. 1700 01:42:07,980 --> 01:42:11,970 Same here asking because Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from 1701 01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:15,840 Kidd, who previously years ago was working as BBC actor is 1702 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,890 reviving his actor career now. Right anyways, I invite your 1703 01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:22,350 audience to listen to our podcast about artificial 1704 01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:26,430 intelligence. Just enter AI dot cookie in your web browser or 1705 01:42:26,430 --> 01:42:27,390 podcast app. 1706 01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:33,660 So it's so amazing. This it really works. Every podcast is 1707 01:42:33,660 --> 01:42:37,440 getting boost from from CSV and everyone knows AI dot cookie, 1708 01:42:37,710 --> 01:42:40,080 friends of mine like Hey, what's that AI dot cooking show? 1709 01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:43,710 And everybody knows that CSV is the cheapest person on the 1710 01:42:43,710 --> 01:42:44,160 planet. 1711 01:42:44,429 --> 01:42:47,189 For him to send anything. Yeah, it's working. It's working. 1712 01:42:47,309 --> 01:42:47,609 Yeah. 1713 01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:53,190 monthly donors that was our boosts monthly donors through 1714 01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:56,400 Pay Pal subscriptions is Tim Hudgins. $25 He's my buddy, 1715 01:42:56,730 --> 01:43:03,600 David would find $3 Duane Goldy $8 Paul Erskine $11.14 Michael 1716 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:09,450 Goggin $5 Charles current $5 Christopher reamer $10 Shawn 1717 01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:15,810 McCune $20 cone glotzbach $5 and James Sullivan $10. 1718 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,630 No, thank you all so much for those monthlies. Couple other 1719 01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:26,670 late entrants in the lit boosts. 50,005 sets from blueberry. And 1720 01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:31,260 he says from 2012 to 2019, I would ask our audio guy to on 1721 01:43:31,260 --> 01:43:34,380 tour to do one final soundcheck with the loadout by Jackson 1722 01:43:34,380 --> 01:43:38,010 Browne. That song hits deep Thank you blueberry. Screw Dave 1723 01:43:38,010 --> 01:43:38,580 Jones. 1724 01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:40,860 In there, do you add? 1725 01:43:40,889 --> 01:43:46,859 No, I added that. Sir Spencer 12345 I'll read this one because 1726 01:43:46,859 --> 01:43:49,439 it's a shameless plug. Laureen and I will be interviewing 1727 01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:54,089 notorious chyron down on bowls with buds live Sunday after no 1728 01:43:54,089 --> 01:43:58,409 agenda. Love to all the hard working but board members and 1729 01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:03,359 floydian slips who's just he just keeps on going. 3333 The 1730 01:44:03,359 --> 01:44:06,359 only way to tell who's boss is to put your bells on the table. 1731 01:44:06,809 --> 01:44:12,599 Ain't that the truth? That was on the table? Yes. Chris, I want 1732 01:44:12,599 --> 01:44:18,899 to I want to thank you for your podcast. Linux unplugged on my 1733 01:44:18,899 --> 01:44:24,899 daily drivers Linux Mint on a surface go version three, which 1734 01:44:24,899 --> 01:44:29,819 is quite enjoyable. And I really liked the podcast, because it 1735 01:44:29,819 --> 01:44:32,729 keeps me up to speed with what's going on in Linux. You know, 1736 01:44:32,729 --> 01:44:35,429 sometimes I might look at something I might try it out or 1737 01:44:35,549 --> 01:44:38,789 I there's something about it that works really well for, for 1738 01:44:38,789 --> 01:44:43,079 me, you know, a full time Linux user, but really very casual in 1739 01:44:43,289 --> 01:44:45,839 in getting out of the box or anything like that. And it's a 1740 01:44:45,839 --> 01:44:48,299 really good show. And I want to thank you for producing that and 1741 01:44:48,299 --> 01:44:48,779 doing it. 1742 01:44:49,380 --> 01:44:50,520 Well. Thank you. That's great to hear. 1743 01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:52,770 You're welcome. 1744 01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,720 You know, really I was just thinking how great is it really 1745 01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,430 because that's quite the compliment coming from you. So I 1746 01:44:59,430 --> 01:45:02,760 really do preach Shadid if if we're saying our thank yous, 1747 01:45:02,970 --> 01:45:06,930 thank you guys, really, I think podcasting needed this. I don't 1748 01:45:06,930 --> 01:45:09,300 know if I feel like it's too cliche to say it, but maybe 1749 01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:12,030 we're saving podcasting right now right here. Maybe I'm 1750 01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:13,350 witnessing it with you guys. So 1751 01:45:13,380 --> 01:45:15,240 with no meetings, Chris, no. 1752 01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:20,730 Keys, no meetings with anybody really? Yeah, yeah. Well, let's 1753 01:45:20,730 --> 01:45:23,250 everybody, that's what's so beautiful about it, we just we 1754 01:45:23,250 --> 01:45:25,770 just the catalyst, that's because of where we were in our 1755 01:45:25,770 --> 01:45:29,640 lives and what we want to do with our lives. And, and I think 1756 01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,520 that needs to be a lot more mentoring, because I think we 1757 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,990 are older Dave and I are older than most people probably. In 1758 01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:39,780 the world in the universe. I'm older than wood. I'm older than 1759 01:45:39,780 --> 01:45:45,150 wood. But I like it. I like seeing young energetic talent 1760 01:45:45,150 --> 01:45:49,230 from all kinds, just in some of the older dudes to Hey, Todd, I 1761 01:45:49,230 --> 01:45:54,180 see you. You know, this is really important, because the 1762 01:45:54,180 --> 01:45:58,170 only kind of mentoring that's I guess, official was like, 1763 01:45:58,170 --> 01:46:03,360 podcasts Academy, you know. So we can't necessarily tell anyone 1764 01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,900 how to make a successful podcast or content. But there's a lot of 1765 01:46:06,900 --> 01:46:09,570 people around us who have great ideas and are being very 1766 01:46:09,570 --> 01:46:13,680 successful and just becoming a part of it is, it's, again, it's 1767 01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,500 one of the best things I've ever participated in my life. It's 1768 01:46:17,850 --> 01:46:21,930 I'm always astounded by how beautiful things work out in 1769 01:46:21,930 --> 01:46:23,370 this in this project. 1770 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,250 Yeah, you know, you guys have been joking about the motion for 1771 01:46:26,250 --> 01:46:30,870 positivity. But I'm serious. This show is like my positive 1772 01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:35,310 moment of the week. I, I always listen on the way home because 1773 01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,130 ultimately, even if you know, Spotify is doing something 1774 01:46:38,130 --> 01:46:41,370 stupid, or, you know, Andreessen, what's his face is 1775 01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,730 doesn't know about happening, like, yeah, that stuff. It's 1776 01:46:44,730 --> 01:46:48,210 annoying. But when you zoom out and witness what's happening, 1777 01:46:48,690 --> 01:46:52,710 and when you see the kind of the podcasters getting it, you see 1778 01:46:52,710 --> 01:46:55,680 the audience getting it, you see the app developers are getting 1779 01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,860 it, posting platforms will catch up, or will just build around? 1780 01:46:58,890 --> 01:47:01,710 Well, they're already they're on board. They're on board there. 1781 01:47:01,740 --> 01:47:03,030 They are pushing hard. 1782 01:47:03,060 --> 01:47:08,910 Yeah. Yeah. Chris, I would like it seemed appropriate to give 1783 01:47:08,910 --> 01:47:13,740 you the opportunity to follow the first pimp. Oh, and tell him 1784 01:47:14,190 --> 01:47:18,510 tell the board. Is there any? Is there any enhancements or things 1785 01:47:18,510 --> 01:47:21,840 that you think should be done in podcasting? To what what are 1786 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,240 your Do you have an idea that you've been thinking of that you 1787 01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,130 would like to submit to the pin board? 1788 01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:29,340 I'll be honest with you, I think it's I think there's still so 1789 01:47:29,340 --> 01:47:31,860 many of the very initial ideas that we needed to see wider 1790 01:47:31,860 --> 01:47:35,040 adoption. That's where I'm at, you know, I come from the Linux 1791 01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,830 community. And I've been a little surprised that there's 1792 01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:40,890 been a slower uptake over there, it's not totally slow. There's 1793 01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,830 there are a lot of people get it, because I feel like what's 1794 01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:46,470 being developed here could eventually one day apply to free 1795 01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:49,050 software as well, if you get people on the Lightning Network 1796 01:47:49,050 --> 01:47:52,290 that are listening to a Linux podcast, and some other Linux 1797 01:47:52,290 --> 01:47:55,020 podcasters get on there. And you start having 1000s of people 1798 01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:57,120 that are on the Lightning Network that like Linux, and 1799 01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,130 then free software projects start getting on the Lightning 1800 01:47:59,130 --> 01:48:01,170 Network, I think you could see people supporting free software 1801 01:48:01,170 --> 01:48:05,040 pretty quick. So I kind of I can see this growing beyond just 1802 01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,500 podcasting. But in terms of that stuff, I feel like there's still 1803 01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:10,500 so many things that we need apps to support or we need the 1804 01:48:10,500 --> 01:48:14,280 ability to do via the web or that kind of stuff. So I don't 1805 01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,800 know I my motion would be to focus on the on the core 1806 01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,190 features and really just get adoption out there. But there's 1807 01:48:20,190 --> 01:48:22,500 only so much you guys can do directly about that. Right? But 1808 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,210 you innovate but adopt 1809 01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:29,040 adoption is up to podcasters. Right? That podcasters got to 1810 01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,400 tell their their their listeners, their communities, 1811 01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,190 their whatever you want to call them, their producers. You 1812 01:48:35,220 --> 01:48:37,980 that's how that's the only way it spreads. That's, that's what 1813 01:48:37,980 --> 01:48:41,970 works. That's your one. One person talking about? It goes to 1814 01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:46,830 1000 10,000 You know, whatever a podcast has this. That's it. 1815 01:48:46,830 --> 01:48:51,330 That's the adoption. There's no, no yeah, we could spend 50,000 1816 01:48:51,330 --> 01:48:56,010 be gold with with diamond tip sponsor a Podcast Movement and 1817 01:48:56,010 --> 01:48:58,470 get a keynote out of it not accusing anyone of everything. 1818 01:48:58,470 --> 01:49:01,500 I'm just saying that's, that's a way you can do it that but that 1819 01:49:01,500 --> 01:49:04,020 money, the money's not there. And quite frankly, I think this 1820 01:49:04,020 --> 01:49:06,600 is not the future of any anything that we're looking at. 1821 01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,050 shits falling apart. Now these streamers are in trouble. 1822 01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:13,800 Podcast tivity they know this is it's very positive. Well, and I 1823 01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,560 think this, but I think this what you're saying Chris is both 1824 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,870 for me. Now, I'm a participant in the show. But the way I see 1825 01:49:21,870 --> 01:49:24,030 it is, you know, there's all these things that are going on, 1826 01:49:24,030 --> 01:49:26,430 and this is in trouble. And these guys are shit. And they're 1827 01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:29,850 doing that and Apple doesn't care. But I always know but look 1828 01:49:29,850 --> 01:49:33,120 at this great group of people doing cool shit, and it's just 1829 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:38,430 moving forward. And I don't use apple. I use things that work 1830 01:49:38,430 --> 01:49:41,970 for me and the people who listen to my podcast. Like no agenda is 1831 01:49:41,970 --> 01:49:45,210 not on Spotify hasn't heard me because the people who want to 1832 01:49:45,210 --> 01:49:48,990 listen to me, they will get an app that works for them. So the 1833 01:49:48,990 --> 01:49:53,010 adaption part, it's if you can get your own audience to adopt 1834 01:49:53,010 --> 01:49:56,730 it. That's the key that everyone needs them. I can work it work 1835 01:49:56,730 --> 01:50:01,080 at a local level. Get your own audience to adopt it. everything 1836 01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:02,160 else falls into place. 1837 01:50:02,969 --> 01:50:05,759 I think that's it. That's a that's really well said. And I 1838 01:50:05,759 --> 01:50:09,809 feel like as a podcaster, that's been doing it for a while, I've 1839 01:50:09,809 --> 01:50:12,929 always felt like I'm just out on my own doing this all by myself 1840 01:50:12,959 --> 01:50:15,419 just doing my own thing, which has been fine. There's elements 1841 01:50:15,419 --> 01:50:20,399 of that I've liked a lot. But as we've started getting more and 1842 01:50:20,399 --> 01:50:25,199 more into the podcasting to Dotto community, it's felt like 1843 01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:28,229 now we're part of something bigger, and something that's 1844 01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:31,679 trying to make the medium better. Yes. And the motivations 1845 01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:34,229 are pure, and it's something that feels healthy to me as 1846 01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:36,959 somebody who makes his living off of this i and that's it. 1847 01:50:36,959 --> 01:50:39,239 There's an element of that, too. It's like this is spot on for my 1848 01:50:39,269 --> 01:50:40,649 business spot on. 1849 01:50:40,740 --> 01:50:41,940 You're exactly right. 1850 01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:48,750 It's a lot better to unify as a, as an as an industry or as a lot 1851 01:50:48,750 --> 01:50:56,850 better to unify around features and innovation than it is to 1852 01:50:57,030 --> 01:51:01,200 round award shows. Yeah, and $200 memberships to the podcast. 1853 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:01,410 Okay. 1854 01:51:01,410 --> 01:51:04,140 I'm sorry, it's I don't want to sound negative. And I agree with 1855 01:51:04,140 --> 01:51:08,520 you. You would just yeah, it's just a lot more fun. We're 1856 01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:12,600 getting more done. Everyone's welcome to participate 1857 01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:16,860 is decentralized, but we're peered you know, it's like we're 1858 01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:22,050 law and also there's so much money drive trying to drive 1859 01:51:22,050 --> 01:51:28,860 success from Spotify from Amazon wondery. Who else is in the 1860 01:51:28,860 --> 01:51:34,950 game? I mean, there's, there's such a drive to turn it into 1861 01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:39,420 kind of a Hollywood, that now as a podcast, or like you, Chris, 1862 01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:45,510 we are now known as Indies. And I just hate that. I mean, I love 1863 01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:48,960 that I'm independent, but don't put a label. I'm a podcaster. 1864 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,400 Don't call me an indie podcast. And yeah, it's really it's rude. 1865 01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:55,590 I'm a very successful podcaster. 1866 01:51:56,130 --> 01:51:59,490 And I feel like what's happening on the on kind of like the back 1867 01:51:59,490 --> 01:52:04,260 end is we're building this this network that is available to all 1868 01:52:04,260 --> 01:52:06,990 podcasters that is completely decentralized. Yet everybody's 1869 01:52:06,990 --> 01:52:10,650 incentives aligned. Exactly. It's, it's, it's, it's great. If 1870 01:52:10,650 --> 01:52:14,280 like a podcaster, who makes a competing podcast to me, I win 1871 01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:17,910 if they start taking votes. That's, that's pretty powerful. 1872 01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:23,520 Yep. Yeah, you win big time you beat out the whole system. 1873 01:52:24,270 --> 01:52:27,330 Yeah, it's an it's a network effect. And it just grows. And 1874 01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:29,250 so you could have these centralized entities like 1875 01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:32,100 Spotify or Apple trying to generate revenue models around 1876 01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:36,060 podcasting. I have, you know, I've seen that go. And I've seen 1877 01:52:36,060 --> 01:52:38,700 them, try it. I've seen others try it. I've seen it fail. But 1878 01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:41,460 this is something decentralized. And that, to me feels more 1879 01:52:41,460 --> 01:52:44,310 sustainable. It's more true to RSS, which, and podcasts which 1880 01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:46,710 is decentralized, right, it's just really in line with all of 1881 01:52:46,710 --> 01:52:50,220 it. I like it a lot. So thank you guys, really forgetting it's 1882 01:52:50,220 --> 01:52:50,520 going. 1883 01:52:50,580 --> 01:52:53,520 And there's a lot more coming. There's a lot of apps and 1884 01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,520 services that that have approached us and that are 1885 01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,150 working on stuff. And I think we're going to be very surprised 1886 01:53:00,150 --> 01:53:04,140 and the next next six months just of the adoption, it's this. 1887 01:53:04,890 --> 01:53:08,820 You can feel it everywhere. It's just happening and, and we're 1888 01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:11,370 kind of removed from it, which I love. That's what I like so 1889 01:53:11,370 --> 01:53:13,980 much. It's like there's no talk about Dave and Adam, per se. 1890 01:53:13,980 --> 01:53:17,490 It's just podcasting. 2.0 love that. Yep. 1891 01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,660 Yep, for sure. Oh, he's just a few spaces removed, though. You 1892 01:53:21,660 --> 01:53:23,370 know, I think people know, people know, 1893 01:53:23,519 --> 01:53:24,239 we know what 1894 01:53:25,410 --> 01:53:26,640 the work you guys are doing. 1895 01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:29,790 I guess my point is doesn't matter. That's what makes it 1896 01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:34,230 successful. Doesn't matter. David, I have to remind each 1897 01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:36,480 other and say, Hey, man, did you notice that this thing is kind 1898 01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:44,640 of working? Oh, yeah, you're right. Yep. So Dave, closing 1899 01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:50,460 comments. Dave, have you already let us board the board room? 1900 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:56,010 No, no, you call me coming out the bathroom? The see? 1901 01:53:56,849 --> 01:54:00,509 What is this? What is that from? 1902 01:54:01,950 --> 01:54:05,460 That's an ISO of Tod B. 1903 01:54:05,490 --> 01:54:09,120 That's end of show right there. Whatever that is, is beautiful. 1904 01:54:09,660 --> 01:54:12,450 You're welcome. Yeah, I've got something else but it's a big 1905 01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:14,070 topic. Let's save it for next week. Okay, 1906 01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:17,490 excellent. Chris Fisher's. You can find them Jupiter 1907 01:54:17,490 --> 01:54:19,290 broadcasting.com I believe. 1908 01:54:20,010 --> 01:54:22,980 Jupiter broadcasting comm request for Jupiter 1909 01:54:22,980 --> 01:54:26,970 broadcasting.net. This is our test site. Our community is 1910 01:54:26,970 --> 01:54:30,240 building us a new website and I'd love feedback. Cool, cool. 1911 01:54:30,270 --> 01:54:32,310 Yeah, they can let us know and GitHub, Jupiter broadcasting 1912 01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:34,170 dotnet is our in Development website. 1913 01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:38,070 And of course, they file a pimp at Jupiter broadcasting on 1914 01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:38,910 GitHub. Well, 1915 01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:40,620 I guess you know, a boring old issue. 1916 01:54:41,010 --> 01:54:43,980 Okay. Not everybody can be a pimp. 1917 01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:47,010 Then of course the the outstanding Linux unplugged 1918 01:54:47,010 --> 01:54:49,680 podcast, really appreciate you dropping by the board meeting 1919 01:54:49,710 --> 01:54:52,320 and have yourself a great weekend, Chris. Thanks, 1920 01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,470 gentlemen. You too. Okay. Dave, my brother. Have a good one. 1921 01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:58,620 All right, man. Have a good weekend. Don't go in. I'm off to 1922 01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,590 two Fix a clutch in the truck. 1923 01:55:02,340 --> 01:55:06,120 Yeah, it's not what the kids are calling it these days. Go fix 1924 01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,390 the clutch. That's it for podcasting. 2.0 This is the 1925 01:55:09,390 --> 01:55:11,880 conclusion of the board meeting catch us back here next week 1926 01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:13,140 until then see everybody 1927 01:55:28,740 --> 01:55:33,270 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1928 01:55:33,300 --> 01:55:35,820 index.org For more information 1929 01:55:42,090 --> 01:55:44,100 be