Episode 95: We Are The Jazz

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,690 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for July 29 2020 to Episode 95 We are the 2 00:00:06,690 --> 00:00:12,090 jazz Hello everybody. Welcome once again to the official board 3 00:00:12,090 --> 00:00:15,900 meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything happening in what's 4 00:00:16,110 --> 00:00:21,150 new and cool in podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org Of course we 5 00:00:21,180 --> 00:00:24,690 discuss the namespace, the podcast standards, and anything 6 00:00:24,690 --> 00:00:27,450 else that we've been messing around with the podcast index 7 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:30,600 dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,690 Country and in Alabama, the man who needs more than 1000 9 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:36,450 characters in his description field my friend on the other 10 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:39,120 end, Mr. Dave Jones, 11 00:00:39,570 --> 00:00:44,970 we urgent, urgent, urgent. We have racists on our side. What 12 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:48,870 racist? I tell you. Rael, you didn't see that email? No. 13 00:00:49,410 --> 00:00:53,940 You'll get an email to the to the info at podcast index.org or 14 00:00:54,570 --> 00:00:56,010 with an urgent message so 15 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:59,400 I missed it. Oh, wait, I think I did. I did see this 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,090 subject line urgent racist racist on your site 17 00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:07,140 wasn't just the one that was CC to a whole bunch of other 18 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:07,650 people. 19 00:01:08,100 --> 00:01:11,970 Yeah, yeah. They've in What do you mean Shall I read it? 20 00:01:12,420 --> 00:01:15,000 Yeah, because Weren't they asking specifically for us to do 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,030 something about it? Or was it just WARNING WARNING racist on 22 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:18,600 our site? 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,260 Now if you if you're gonna say that you better give clear 24 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:25,860 instructions as to where the racists are so we can go in 25 00:01:25,950 --> 00:01:29,820 Yeah, go handle handle the racist Yes. Yeah, go get in get 26 00:01:29,820 --> 00:01:34,440 them. This is a little bit it says like this. This starts out 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,230 this way with I don't think grammatically you're supposed to 28 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:39,810 start a sentence with parentheses, but I could be 29 00:01:39,810 --> 00:01:45,360 wrong. The way this starts is parentheses, change this to 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,290 people not person 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,970 call right. I did see this one. Your merge fail but okay. Yeah. 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,370 All right. We're still with you. Your merge, 33 00:01:53,670 --> 00:01:56,670 but still applies to both podcasts. This person is a 34 00:01:56,670 --> 00:02:01,170 racist, racist white nationalist accounts are interacting, 35 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:04,680 replying being bigots in comments interacting with this 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,970 content. This person possibly platforming such people doing 37 00:02:08,970 --> 00:02:12,510 such they're also interacting with others doing such podcast 38 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:15,090 name, orange pill podcast. 39 00:02:17,790 --> 00:02:22,320 The max and Stacy orange pill podcast. Seriously orange 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:28,140 pill podcast is now radically in this email might not even be 41 00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:30,600 talking about the orange pill podcast is racist. They may have 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,210 just added that in Yeah, I guess named Marco. But 43 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:36,090 just anything that happens to pop up when they scrape the 44 00:02:36,090 --> 00:02:37,770 website. It is 45 00:02:37,770 --> 00:02:40,950 said to change this to people not person. So clearly, we don't 46 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,480 know how to interpret their 47 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:47,070 I'm telling you, man, the woes we have to go through for 48 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:50,730 running an index, you know, all these these takedown requests 49 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:54,060 this? It's actually we want to really talk about that much. But 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,610 have we received any real? Like One Night Two DMCA takedown 51 00:02:59,610 --> 00:03:01,920 requests total since we've been doing this? 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,920 Yeah. Not many, not many real. of you know, like, real DMCA 53 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:11,610 takedowns. Where it's like, get it off. Yeah, we didn't do 54 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:12,540 anything. And 55 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:15,270 this may be a couple of people. Like I don't want to be on your 56 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:19,470 lawyer because a couple of those. But most are oh, so 57 00:03:19,470 --> 00:03:21,090 embarrassing. Please delete this 58 00:03:22,260 --> 00:03:26,550 person. You get a lot of most of that as anchors like, Oh, I did 59 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:29,940 this when I was like 12. Yeah, please remove this. Exactly. 60 00:03:30,090 --> 00:03:37,110 Exactly. Ah, so I'm day to day four of the of the Cuf. 61 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:41,790 This is round two for you. Yeah, yeah, maybe three. Did you say 62 00:03:41,790 --> 00:03:42,090 maybe? 63 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,630 No, no, no, no, just two to 14 as well. She she got it from her 64 00:03:45,630 --> 00:03:50,190 friend. And she was in Utah. And came back and she's like, stay 65 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:54,330 away from me. Yeah, like, no. If I had to get it, I'm gonna get 66 00:03:54,330 --> 00:03:56,520 it. Like you're gonna get it. Stay away. Like the germs are 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,580 not gonna fly into my face. So of course I got it. It didn't 68 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:06,030 take long. It's like a summer cold. It's just annoying. It's 69 00:04:06,030 --> 00:04:08,670 just a waste of time. It's very annoying that way. 70 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:15,090 Yeah. Melissa, Melissa, she went to Tampa a few weeks ago and she 71 00:04:15,090 --> 00:04:19,620 got like, the big girls Girls trip vacation. Been looking 72 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:22,440 forward to it. Day one as soon as she got down there, got it. 73 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,710 And tested positive. And then she was like, Oh, great. Yeah, I 74 00:04:25,710 --> 00:04:26,700 get to stay in the hotel. 75 00:04:28,290 --> 00:04:29,280 Oh, no, no, 76 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:31,890 she didn't know she went out to the beach and stuff. But I mean, 77 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:35,160 it was it's just an annoyance at this point. 78 00:04:35,490 --> 00:04:39,030 So it was it was fun listening to the pod man podcast today, 79 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:42,990 which is basically now just a companion show for this one. 80 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:46,830 It's a spin off it really is. 81 00:04:48,630 --> 00:04:51,030 My dog is trying to say something I'm not sure what she 82 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:54,570 wants my dog. Oh, you're a dog. I thought it was they sound so 83 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:55,290 similar. 84 00:04:56,610 --> 00:05:00,780 They like they are the window number of routing Audio Routing 85 00:05:00,780 --> 00:05:03,180 issues we had it may be my dog come in through your, 86 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,420 on your house. You know, let me talk about that for a second 87 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:12,240 because this is important for podcasting peoples. So, just to 88 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,620 briefly recap for well over a decade, maybe maybe longer it 89 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:19,200 really since we started podcasting, I've been always 90 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,530 looking for the ultimate all in one portable device that would 91 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:25,440 really do it all with all the routing and the compression and, 92 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,970 and it's never really gotten there. And I 93 00:05:30,030 --> 00:05:35,010 mean, let me ask you this real quick. Yeah. What do you think 94 00:05:35,010 --> 00:05:39,270 this qualifies, rises to the level of an obsession with you? 95 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:41,760 Would you call it? Would you call it that word? 96 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,550 Yes. I mean, not an obsession, like you have to do it every 97 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:50,730 single day. But it's something that always I've been, I mean, 98 00:05:50,730 --> 00:05:53,940 if you go back and look, you can see that I've made so many 99 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:58,410 different versions of a portable podcast rig. And I've had it in 100 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:01,170 Pelican cases. And I've documented most of that work. I 101 00:06:01,170 --> 00:06:05,910 mean, this goes back to at least 2009 or something. But even 102 00:06:05,910 --> 00:06:10,350 before then, you know, we were doing podcasting. And it just 103 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:13,860 seemed, yeah. Obsession. No, it's it's a part of the whole 104 00:06:13,860 --> 00:06:18,330 idea. The idea is that if we can create this, then it has to also 105 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:21,750 be small. And there's no reason why we can't have something that 106 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:25,320 does everything the right way. We've kind of been borrowing 107 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,530 from the music industry for years and years, the way the way 108 00:06:28,530 --> 00:06:33,060 their stuff is set up. And then device makers clearly saw the 109 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:37,590 market for gaming. And so most of their devices were for gamers 110 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:41,820 and Twitch streamers, which is still different. It's a 111 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:44,460 different setup than what you need for podcasting. And 112 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:48,990 certainly, the theory I have is you, you get it good to go, you 113 00:06:48,990 --> 00:06:51,660 hear what's going to be on the recording, and you do it all in 114 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:54,570 one in one take. And if you need to edit, you can go back later 115 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:58,020 and cut stuff out. But I'm not really I don't think because we 116 00:06:58,020 --> 00:07:01,290 haven't had a device that lets you do that easily. And 117 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:04,620 professionally. People resorted to the well and we record 118 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:07,650 multitrack and we go sit there like Phil Spector and on the 119 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:10,920 wall of sound, I'm going to do everything and compress 120 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,340 everyone's you know, did a little bit panning. So which I 121 00:07:14,370 --> 00:07:18,330 just don't think is it for the for some some people they may 122 00:07:18,330 --> 00:07:21,870 like to in that. But I've always believed there's a very big 123 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:25,650 market for just being able to sit down and do it. And so I've 124 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:27,960 reached out to many device makers, I've tried to make my 125 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:33,780 own and even did a GoFundMe at one point which failed because I 126 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:36,330 had to pull it because we couldn't deliver the technology, 127 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,890 the actual Attabad technology partner. 128 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:43,590 That's what I heard man, 129 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:46,440 but I had, but I had the concept, oh hardware, I'll never 130 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,870 I don't think I should ever do hardware. Again. It's hardware. 131 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:52,650 It's crazy. And now what I see what road has come out with at 132 00:07:52,650 --> 00:07:55,680 the price point even which is $700. It doesn't matter, I would 133 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,920 pay $2,000 for this, it doesn't matter. It's exactly what I 134 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,980 want. And the nice thing about what they've done is they really 135 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:10,110 have it set up so they can issue firmware updates with real 136 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:13,620 functionality right off the bat. So even since I've had this, 137 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:15,990 which has been what, six weeks or so maybe not even. 138 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,110 Yeah, we're five weeks like that in a month, month or so. 139 00:08:22,650 --> 00:08:27,540 So we got a firmware update. And it included some routing 140 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:31,410 specific routing options, which the gamers actually wanted to 141 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:34,890 they had made such a great podcast device, gamers went well 142 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:37,500 hold on, you know, this is not working for us anymore. So they 143 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,510 were able to fix that pretty quickly, which I think was 144 00:08:39,510 --> 00:08:40,290 fantastic. 145 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:46,620 So So when do you choose the appropriate window to do a 146 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:48,930 firmware update that is critically important with your 147 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:50,160 slate of podcasts? 148 00:08:50,310 --> 00:08:56,460 Yes, I did this on Monday. So after after the no agenda show, 149 00:08:56,730 --> 00:09:01,020 I would have now I knew I was not going to do mo because I 150 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:03,810 knew I wouldn't even be able to talk by Wednesday. And I had to 151 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:07,860 save my my energy for Thursday. So yeah, I had a good three days 152 00:09:07,860 --> 00:09:11,160 in between tickle, because I'm not crazy. And everything was 153 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,680 working fine. Right. But here's here's a bug that I noticed. So 154 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:20,040 the way it works, when you switch to a different show you 155 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:24,720 you literally import this show from the settings from the 156 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560 intern or from the SD card that's internal to the device 157 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,920 that you stick into the device. Okay, and it was bringing back 158 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,940 the settings with the new routing capabilities. It was 159 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:40,530 confused and it should have just known what to do and have the 160 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:44,400 routing. The way it was the last time we did the show which was 161 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:51,510 pre update. But it didn't and and so when it came on, it just 162 00:09:51,510 --> 00:09:56,100 confused everything and I had to go in and reset the routing, 163 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,550 which is kind of the first time I was doing it. So it made a 164 00:09:59,550 --> 00:10:02,370 complex ate it. And by then, of course, I had already messed 165 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:05,370 around with clean feed and made changes there thinking that was 166 00:10:05,370 --> 00:10:09,450 the problem. And so now we had four things to deal with. But it 167 00:10:09,450 --> 00:10:12,570 was meters. I think metus was in the in the chat room. And he 168 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:16,080 said, manage. This is it's the routing stuff. 169 00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:18,720 Yes. He said, Nick, your nuke your routing and get back to 170 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,950 default and then start from there. 171 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:23,220 Yeah, and that's the thing this show had not had any routing. So 172 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:26,910 that's a that's an update bug. You know, it's very, very hard. 173 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:29,910 It's particularly with with production machines, you know, 174 00:10:29,910 --> 00:10:32,490 you got people relying on it, and you're, you're issuing 175 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:34,680 updates and stuff doesn't work a whole man. 176 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,970 Yep. Well, Microsoft. Yeah. 177 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,570 Well, anything really, it's Welcome to sovereign feeds. I 178 00:10:42,570 --> 00:10:45,750 mean, welcome to all kinds of stuff. Absolutely. 179 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:50,370 Well, this, this bleeds into that's a perfect segue into pod 180 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:51,870 ping dot cloud. And 181 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:55,530 this was yeah, this was a good one. But 182 00:10:55,560 --> 00:11:03,540 because, okay, you know, my my day job for the last 2626 years 183 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:08,640 has been no 27 years has been as a system administrator, taking 184 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,330 care of servers and all kinds of, you know, lots of other 185 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:23,580 things. But so, as part of that, I have acquired a, a proclivity 186 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:29,490 to not change things, unless there are important reasons to 187 00:11:29,490 --> 00:11:33,300 do so. So, like the same that will say, you know, okay, your 188 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:37,800 bios, your firmware, firmware, don't upgrade it. Unless there 189 00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:42,000 unless there is a a security flaw that you think you'll be 190 00:11:42,030 --> 00:11:47,220 affected by the new feature you can't live without, or see a bug 191 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:49,980 that you're trying to fix? If none of those three things are 192 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:54,480 there. Don't don't install don't flash your from your motherboard 193 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,150 firmware, don't do any, you know, don't don't flash firmware 194 00:11:57,150 --> 00:12:02,190 on a device. Well, I apply that to all updates, all updates of 195 00:12:02,190 --> 00:12:06,630 anything, if something is working. And there's not a 196 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:12,540 security problem, a feature I need, or a bug. I'm not touching 197 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:17,130 it. Because that just at your you're randomly adding extra 198 00:12:17,130 --> 00:12:19,770 work and extra potential failures to your slate. 199 00:12:19,890 --> 00:12:24,090 I've learned I've learned this over the years. The main thing 200 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:27,870 is when when to update, you know, even even Windows Update. 201 00:12:28,770 --> 00:12:32,520 Yeah, I deny that until I'm I know, I gotta clear 48 hours 202 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,000 ahead. 203 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,990 Oh, yeah, you never install Windows updates within the first 204 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:39,060 week. You always wait at least you know, but 205 00:12:39,060 --> 00:12:43,230 I mean, even just I know that I have 48 hours to fix something. 206 00:12:43,890 --> 00:12:46,080 Oh, yeah, that's what I mean by that. Oh, yeah. That's where 207 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,060 yeah, anyway, so I've been looking at what I want to get as 208 00:12:51,060 --> 00:12:54,090 a really good Linux distro that is just really good at the 209 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:57,600 routing and sound and stuff. And then and then only need one 210 00:12:57,630 --> 00:13:01,800 like, only one extra program to fulfill well, I need you I gotta 211 00:13:02,010 --> 00:13:04,770 go. I'm using Hindenburg Pro, which I love to death 212 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:08,910 specifically for editing. So now it's coming down to okay, I can 213 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:11,730 use Linux now in the studio environment with the road 214 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:16,020 caster, which I feel a lot better about, even though I know 215 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:18,870 a guy who's boon to crashes all the time on the show. 216 00:13:19,319 --> 00:13:20,219 Yeah, that. 217 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,640 No, that's you. Oh, that's me. Yeah. No, it's never DeVore X 218 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,630 Box ever. Now that doesn't have that does not happen to him. 219 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:34,800 Yeah, my box has not had a good week. Yeah, we can talk about 220 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,220 that, too. 221 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:39,570 I was gonna say the so what am I going to replace that with? 222 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,910 Audacity is not going to cut it for for editing the way I can 223 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:48,750 edit with Hindenburg Pro. So now it's literally come down to the 224 00:13:48,750 --> 00:13:53,970 specific usage of the apps that that may determine my switch. 225 00:13:55,410 --> 00:14:01,950 Hmm. But so is is Hindenburg the use of usable and wine or is 226 00:14:01,950 --> 00:14:02,730 that a disaster? 227 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,340 That's a disaster waiting to happen. I mean, you're you're 228 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:10,080 writing huge, you know, raw files back and forth. But I want 229 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,890 it to be native to I mean, that's, it's kind of a pushy 230 00:14:13,890 --> 00:14:17,460 move. You know, it's like I'm on Linux, but I'm using wine for 231 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:20,010 half my app. Doesn't feel right. 232 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,130 Right now. See, I feel it's the other way around. I feel like as 233 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:26,430 opposed to move, I feel like it's like, you know, shows you 234 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:30,420 got like big honies to Steven a tip that we're right. Again, 235 00:14:30,450 --> 00:14:31,440 what I'm about to do, 236 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:35,790 again, production environment. And we're doing the show and 237 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:39,360 then all of a sudden wind decides to go kernel panic or 238 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,020 whatever 239 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:42,420 you record in Hindenburg. 240 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:45,689 i Yeah, I do. Yeah, that's, 241 00:14:45,690 --> 00:14:47,130 that's no, but it's, but it's also 242 00:14:47,130 --> 00:14:51,660 just it is my editing software. You know, I It's Believe it or 243 00:14:51,660 --> 00:14:59,370 not, they use a hjkl Shortcut system. For forward, backward 244 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:04,440 Fast Forward. Fast backward, you know, I've got it's so it's 245 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,780 complete muscle memory from for me now. Like, I can edit so fast 246 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,780 so that would that that's that's going to be the big one for me 247 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:13,830 anyway. 248 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:22,980 But I had to decide to stop my Umbral services before we 249 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:27,090 started the before we started a podcast from my Umbral that that 250 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:30,570 is my podcast, Rick, and I had to stop it because it's 251 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:34,080 currently 55% of the way done of re downloading the blockchain. 252 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:38,550 Yeah, were you doing the upgrade to ODOT? Five? 253 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Yes, because I let 254 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,910 my mind failed, failed every single time and I've given up 255 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:51,570 you. So your failure and, and my failure or two failures, I think 256 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,710 are different things. Because you I don't know what yours is. 257 00:15:55,710 --> 00:15:59,070 But I know I know Azim I know 100% where mine is now. 258 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:02,700 But let me let me just say one thing about mine. I haven't I 259 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:06,780 have not tried to update my actual mic. The Umbral that 260 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:10,530 runs, you know, that I receive booster grams on this is the 261 00:16:10,530 --> 00:16:14,370 official Bitcoin machines, the one that I bought in the in the 262 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,780 encasing everything official. So it's not it's it has to be the 263 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:23,820 right configuration. And for that not to update and then we 264 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:27,870 have to go in command line and remove and I've tried all the 265 00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:32,100 Remove update dot JSON are in progress, all that shit, nothing 266 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:36,540 worked. That's that's an that's a, a showstopper, you know, you 267 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:39,180 buy the box, because it's supposed to at least do some 268 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:39,960 things. Right? 269 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:45,840 Okay, here's, this is another lesson from sysadmin. World is 270 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,270 that that is an intoxicating idea that you always that you 271 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:54,570 will always get pulled back into. And this is not specific 272 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:59,280 to any one vendor or anything. But it is always the case that 273 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:06,630 we are prone to think that is the vendor that makes the thing 274 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:11,400 if you get their thing, and they're also the ones that make 275 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,020 the software that it's natural, you think, Okay, well, they're 276 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:19,260 the ones that make the software. So if I buy their box, or their 277 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:22,320 if I buy their other software, that's going to be the best 278 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,230 experience because they know best, because they're the ones 279 00:17:25,230 --> 00:17:30,300 that literally made the thing that is 100% not correct. 280 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:35,190 Oftentimes that NIDS just as bad or worse as everybody else's 281 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:35,430 stuff. 282 00:17:35,639 --> 00:17:37,529 Yeah. What's interesting, though, if you go into the 283 00:17:37,529 --> 00:17:41,099 telegram group, or you know, and try and get some help, the first 284 00:17:41,099 --> 00:17:43,739 thing they always say, Well, you know, you got to get the right 285 00:17:43,829 --> 00:17:46,319 connector, and you don't have the right board and your your 286 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:50,039 power supplies the wrong power supply. So I could bypass all of 287 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:53,129 that. And to Hey, you should just did an update. And what 288 00:17:53,129 --> 00:17:57,299 happened? Yes. Yep. So I don't know that. 289 00:17:58,350 --> 00:18:02,100 That's because we so many times in corporate world, you're like, 290 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,960 Oh, should I buy we already our main software is x. And that's 291 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,290 what our business lives on. But we have this other third party, 292 00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:13,650 where we're used for this other thing, but then x comes out with 293 00:18:13,650 --> 00:18:16,380 a with a software that competes with the other thing. Oh, I 294 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:18,930 should buy that because that's going to work great. Yeah, 295 00:18:18,930 --> 00:18:22,440 great. No, sir. It does not work that way. 296 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:26,220 I heard that there's this. There's a buddy of mine in 297 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:30,000 Dallas. He was trying to explain his business to me. Is it true 298 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,270 that there's there's a whole business sector that comes to 299 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:35,430 guys like, do you do a purchasing you must do 300 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:39,360 purchasing? Yeah, yeah, they come to you. And they say, Okay, 301 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,360 here's what we got. We got this from Microsoft, this from 302 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:45,210 Oracle, all these different things, different packages, 303 00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:50,220 maybe some new stuff, maybe some some cool things. And then and 304 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,610 then you say, Okay, I'll do that. And then they basically 305 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:58,200 call Microsoft and Microsoft then get a separate bunch of 306 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,980 guys to come in and implement it. And the guy who talks to you 307 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,700 gets IVIG for the rest of his life, or the lifetime of the 308 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:06,510 contract. 309 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:10,740 I totally believe that yeah, because Mike Yeah, you're I know 310 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:13,260 a guy that does that on the phone side. He does that with 311 00:19:13,260 --> 00:19:15,750 phones with phone software and systems. Yes. 312 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,960 I think my buddy also does a lot of phone software and systems 313 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,310 Yeah, like call centers? 314 00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:23,760 Yeah, it's a consultant it's a consultant Yeah, just goes out 315 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,070 and shops shops your package around them. Yeah. 316 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:30,000 What a scammer that he gets he gets a piece of the license fee 317 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,920 is for the length of the contract. 318 00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:34,770 Oh, yeah. This guy makes bank I mean, he's like, What are we 319 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:35,070 doing 320 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:38,400 wrong? Do we mess around with this podcasting stuff for like 321 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,600 this is crazy. asleep and making money we're 322 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:47,760 paying our own money to go to Dallas I want to get paid I want 323 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,010 to get paid like those guys know Yeah. 324 00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:54,570 in perpetuity forever all right. 325 00:19:56,970 --> 00:20:02,160 No, bomb bro. Just shit the bed I mean like If so what happens I 326 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,060 trust started, I started the upgrade, it wouldn't upgrade to 327 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:13,500 the GUI. So I went in command line as, like Chris Fisher said, 328 00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:16,230 told me, this is his fall, he told me to do it. So I'm gonna 329 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:19,260 blame. Okay, so I went in there and I hit the start of the 330 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:25,200 upgrade script. And, and I noticed that it's, that is 331 00:20:25,410 --> 00:20:30,090 making a backup of the entire Umbral directory. First I'm 332 00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:33,810 nothing, okay? It's why wouldn't like That's weird. I'm guessing 333 00:20:33,810 --> 00:20:37,680 it's gonna make a backup of the of the whole directory and drop 334 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,680 in a new file structure and then import and then bring in 335 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,380 selectively config files and stuff from the old install. 336 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:46,530 That's the only thing I can think. And so part of the 337 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:50,340 problem is, you've got the entire blockchain there. So 338 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:56,130 it's, it's backing up to the end, I thought I had a two 339 00:20:56,130 --> 00:20:59,490 terabyte drive and I'm like, okay, all right. It's, it's fine 340 00:20:59,490 --> 00:21:02,190 to two terabytes. It's gonna be it's gonna be tight, but it'll 341 00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:05,070 it'll fit. Well, no, I had a one terabyte drive. 342 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:09,060 Oh, no, you're screwed. No, that won't do it. 343 00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:12,870 Ran the volume out of space. And everything stopped. I'm like, 344 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:18,150 Oh, shit. So I go in there try to start cleaning it up. in it. 345 00:21:18,150 --> 00:21:21,120 Now it's half an update. It's a halfway finished out. They I 346 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,680 don't know what's what. Now let 347 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,700 me ask you a question. Did you backup your channels before you 348 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,560 started this process? I 349 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,460 did backup my channel. Okay. And I had my seat words. Like a good 350 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:36,690 little boy, I had all of my stuff in a good few days. Yes, I 351 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:40,710 did all of the did all of these things. And that was very 352 00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:45,330 important. Because I came I came back, I finally got back home. 353 00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:49,530 Well, the, you know, did you tell scale? Right, right. And of 354 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:52,140 course, then the thing dies, and I have no access anymore. So I 355 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:57,630 get home. And I start it. I clean up the disk space issue. 356 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:02,460 And I just go, I go back to what it was. And I try to start start 357 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:05,010 the update again. And 358 00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:07,350 because there wasn't enough pain the first time like, Come on, 359 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:08,490 let's do it. 360 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:13,170 You know, I was asking myself the whole time. Why am I why am 361 00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:16,680 I doing this? Yeah, I did have an answer to myself. And the 362 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,790 answer was, because Hello, Pat, I've got to have this newest 363 00:22:20,790 --> 00:22:23,790 development environment. This is true. Because otherwise 364 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:26,580 developmental help out I can't go to the umbrella. Yeah. So I'm 365 00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:31,380 like, Okay, I'm gonna make this happen. And, and start the 366 00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:34,830 upgrade again. It starts cop, it starts copying the thing. This 367 00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:37,650 time I'm prepared for this scenario, it starts copying the 368 00:22:37,650 --> 00:22:41,340 blockchain files. And here's, here's my thought, Okay, here's 369 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,400 my thinking. This thinking ultimately will bite me in the 370 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,280 ass and mean, a mean way more work for me. But this was my 371 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,680 thinking at the time. I'm going to stay ahead of this. What I'm 372 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,700 going to do is as it's backing up, it's it's clearly going to 373 00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:01,470 bring all the blocks all the blockchain files back. And so 374 00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:04,440 what I'm going to do is as it's backing it up to this temporary 375 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,380 directory, I'm going to delete the blockchain files from the 376 00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:08,310 source directory. 377 00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:11,760 Oh, this is a very bad idea. And I'm going to stay 378 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,720 just behind the curve. So that it when it's on blockchain, 379 00:23:16,410 --> 00:23:21,000 Blockchain style 347, I'm deleting 341 through 346. And 380 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:21,090 you're 381 00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:24,690 doing this manually and you're watching the log in real time 382 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:27,240 and you're doing rm and then whatever, 383 00:23:28,199 --> 00:23:31,679 RM BLK star, star, whatever. Did 384 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:34,079 you think ahead? What happens if it fails? And then you need to 385 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,779 go back and do the copy again, and you've deleted them all? 386 00:23:37,139 --> 00:23:41,249 No, no, of course, I didn't think about that. No, that's 387 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,469 yeah, that the story would would have already been over if I'd 388 00:23:43,469 --> 00:23:46,799 have thought of that. Because so I'm deleting I'm happily 389 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:50,369 deleting I'm like, Man, this is such a great idea. I'm, I'm 390 00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:54,989 hacking this this system so hard. And it finishes and then 391 00:23:54,989 --> 00:23:59,249 it just it goes, does a bunch of stuff. And then it says, Okay, 392 00:23:59,249 --> 00:24:05,159 you're done. You're upgraded. I'm a genius. Genius. 393 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:08,760 I got some I got the year upgraded message many times to 394 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,160 like, Man, I You are a badass. You're so genius. It says 395 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,530 it right there on the command line. It goes prove that you've 396 00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:19,140 been updated. 0.5 Then you start it up. 397 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:27,029 Yep. And, and it was 0.5. Really? It was 0.5 with no 398 00:24:27,059 --> 00:24:34,499 Bitcoin or lightning app. Yay. And I was like, Wait, okay. Be 399 00:24:34,499 --> 00:24:38,069 right. I must, that must. Okay. And then I'm thinking and then 400 00:24:38,099 --> 00:24:41,999 then I'm starting to like, I'm doing the thing where I'm 401 00:24:41,999 --> 00:24:45,989 getting rid of my panic mode by trying to rationalize what could 402 00:24:46,049 --> 00:24:49,559 be happening. Yeah. So I'm like, Okay, I bet you this is what 403 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:54,509 they did. I bet. They give you a blank Umbral point five and then 404 00:24:54,509 --> 00:24:57,479 you install the Bitcoin and lightning node apps. And then 405 00:24:57,479 --> 00:25:01,469 everything just comes back, though course that's stupid that 406 00:25:01,949 --> 00:25:06,179 makes no, it makes no sense. I installed the Bitcoin app and 407 00:25:06,179 --> 00:25:10,529 it's just blank. No, no chain, no no chain, installed the 408 00:25:10,529 --> 00:25:13,529 lightning node app it says, now you got nothing. You got to wait 409 00:25:13,529 --> 00:25:16,829 to the to the for the chain to snake. Oh crap. 410 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:21,630 So now you you read read you started up from your seed words. 411 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:23,160 Yeah, that's where 412 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,420 it gets that's where it gets real fun. Because here's a bug 413 00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:33,900 with 0.5 You can't recover from seed words what it's got the 414 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:38,700 option is just gone. It and I confirm this on message boards 415 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,640 and everything there is no option to recover from see words 416 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:51,960 in 0.5 in the 0.5 version, so Wow, the only option is blow all 417 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,870 that stuff away. Go back just rm rf the whole MF er, install oh 418 00:25:57,870 --> 00:26:03,900 point five, install Oh, point 4.18 And then do the upgrade. Do 419 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:09,450 the restore from seed words, let the blockchain sink Oh. And then 420 00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:12,540 however many days that takes hope that your channels didn't 421 00:26:12,540 --> 00:26:15,150 force close by the time that finishes so you can restore your 422 00:26:15,150 --> 00:26:18,960 channel back. Which is currently the phase I'm in? Wow. 423 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:24,870 Hey, Roy, when you when you're going to give us that new hot 424 00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:27,240 shit you're working on man. So we now have to deal with this 425 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,710 anymore. This is crazy. 426 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:32,670 I want some green light, man. This was suck. Give us 427 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:36,930 some Greg. Give us him green light, bro. Yeah, that does 428 00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:37,800 suck. I'm sorry. 429 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:45,330 But, you know, that's yeah, I don't under the I have no ill 430 00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:48,270 will towards Umbral in any way because I think they're doing a 431 00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:52,800 very complicated thing. I can't even imagine trying to handle 432 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:58,380 all the stuff that they're doing. But this you should not 433 00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:03,960 ship a Bitcoin wallet with the deterministic bitcoin wallet 434 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,570 without that does not have the ability to recover from seed 435 00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:10,170 words. That is a showstopper. Yes, it is. That should have 436 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:11,220 never left the barn. 437 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:16,350 All right. So we talked about podcasts? Yeah, well, let's, 438 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:21,300 let's transition into and this is what I was hearing on pod 439 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,570 land that Oberto from rss.com was talking about, and I 440 00:27:24,570 --> 00:27:27,780 encourage everyone to listen, that interview was talking about 441 00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:32,430 the integration with the lb wallet, and but not heard that 442 00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:36,420 you will love it. Because just listening to how they think 443 00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:42,780 about the development of their hosting services, and the 444 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:46,830 roadmap and how they determine the roadmap and how they do 445 00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:51,690 enhancements, and most importantly, the decisions Why 446 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:55,830 is really interesting. And it also gave me a little more 447 00:27:55,830 --> 00:28:01,380 insight into why things go slow. And okay, yeah, the thing, I 448 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:03,930 guess the big takeaway, well, first of all, I love that 449 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:07,080 they've done this. And you know, and it's a very, it's a very 450 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,480 basic, you know, you have there's no split, so you got a 451 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,040 wallet, and it works. And it's a very simple process. And, and 452 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,000 I'm amazed. And so now they're going to look and see how their, 453 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:22,950 how their customers interact with as they use it at all. But 454 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,800 just as you know, we've always had the chicken and the egg 455 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,860 problem of what are the new features, the apps have to 456 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:35,190 support them? The hosting companies, and this was one of 457 00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:38,970 Alberto's points is like, well, you know, with chapters four, 458 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,240 certainly in the beginning, 99.9% of all of his customers be 459 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760 like, oh, cool, I did chapters, and I put my chapters in here, 460 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,730 is that great, but where are they on Spotify? You know, so 461 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:55,800 they, so they have this very long adoption and educational 462 00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:59,070 phase. And I'm sure all the hosting companies have this. And 463 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:02,850 it's kind of fun, because now I see that all of a sudden, a lot 464 00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:07,380 of the podcasts on the host that, you know, that I guess, I 465 00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:09,660 listened to podcast that are across all the hosts, but now 466 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:14,850 I'm hearing ad insertions. Seems like you know that that was kind 467 00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:17,640 of a thing that everyone's working on for maybe 18 months. 468 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,740 And now I hear dynamic ads on blueberry, you have the mid 469 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:27,120 rolls that Buzzsprout is doing is very interesting. So that 470 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,200 that's kind of their, I guess their CO competitive wave that 471 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,410 they're doing things and now I think we're seeing this move 472 00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:42,030 towards the 2.0 features. And, you know, it's, it's always been 473 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:45,240 slow with podcasting, but I got a little more insight into the 474 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,550 hosting end of it and how they have to deal with with driving 475 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:51,480 adoption, really. 476 00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,500 I was having a conversation with somebody about this recently. 477 00:29:56,190 --> 00:30:00,120 And I liked the way rss.com Did it and this was this was what So 478 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:07,830 what I suggest to people privately Is that you, you know 479 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:12,360 you can do, you can do a feature like this to one of, you know a 480 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,870 few ways, I mean, two primary ways. You could say, Okay, 481 00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:20,940 there's this thing. And we want to, we want to, we want to do 482 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:25,110 this for our customers, we want to enable this feature, or this 483 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:30,630 ability to do a thing, you could say, all right, value for value, 484 00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:35,190 we're going to do that, we are going to go grab some software, 485 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:40,440 LM PE, or Alby, I think Abby's open source as well, you we're 486 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,750 gonna go grab that we're gonna load up, we're gonna fire up a 487 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:45,480 node, we don't have any idea what we're doing. But we're 488 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,790 gonna fire up a node, we're gonna stick, you know, run this 489 00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:50,940 software, and we're gonna start figuring out where to put 490 00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:54,300 wallets on your, you could do all you could do it that way. 491 00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:57,990 And take on a whole lot of liability potentially, for 492 00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:01,830 things that you don't fully understand. Or you could do an 493 00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:07,380 integration with somebody like an AO B or some third party and 494 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,170 get essentially, what could be maybe not as robust a solution, 495 00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:15,240 you may, there may be things you want to do in the future that 496 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,990 you can't do without me. But at least what you've done is sort 497 00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:21,960 of a you've outsourced the responsibility for a thing that 498 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,730 you don't fully grasp to this other outfit. And that gives you 499 00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:31,140 a little bit of separation between between design and 500 00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:32,250 potential disaster. 501 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,060 And it is an example of interrupts in its purest form as 502 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:39,660 long as you use the open standards, just like RSS enables 503 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:45,090 podcast index to work with curio caster with POD verse with 504 00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:49,920 fountain. And it works with any of the hosting companies feeds. 505 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,010 Same thing with with the Lightning Network and payments. 506 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:57,240 So much. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. And that's what you're 507 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,110 not going to get into in a in a walled garden approach. And I 508 00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:06,420 think it just drives innovation. Look at us. Look at look at look 509 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:10,170 at where we're at. People, you know, people with Spotify don't 510 00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:16,560 even know we exist. Some of the executives know. Yeah, whatever. 511 00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:21,120 Yeah, was what was that movie that Danny Kaye was in? 512 00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:27,720 Danny Kaye? The movie about the Egypt? 513 00:32:28,439 --> 00:32:33,509 Yeah, it was about the encyclopedia, cyclo P, the 514 00:32:33,749 --> 00:32:37,319 music, almost like, this is something from my childhood, and 515 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,479 I'm making myself a huge Boomer. By doing this. There was a movie 516 00:32:43,349 --> 00:32:48,869 was it the music man? Anyway, I have to find out what it was, 517 00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:53,699 there was a movie and, and it was this group of, of 518 00:32:53,699 --> 00:32:56,159 intellectuals and they were writing the history of music. 519 00:32:56,339 --> 00:32:58,319 And you're going by they were still kind of, they've been 520 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,959 doing this for 10 years, and they were still an African 521 00:33:00,989 --> 00:33:06,569 tribal music. And then all of a sudden, they kind of get out and 522 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,929 have a drink in the open and they they discover that jazz is 523 00:33:09,929 --> 00:33:14,339 all around them. And, and that's kind of how I see what happens 524 00:33:14,339 --> 00:33:17,699 with these with these companies who are so hyper focused on what 525 00:33:17,699 --> 00:33:20,729 they're doing. And they don't see the jazz being played around 526 00:33:20,729 --> 00:33:23,159 them, which I think is a really good metaphor for podcasting. 527 00:33:23,159 --> 00:33:26,999 2.0 We're like it is jazz. Everyone comes in. Boop, boop 528 00:33:26,999 --> 00:33:30,449 boop boo. And and sometimes it doesn't fit and you know, then 529 00:33:30,449 --> 00:33:32,819 just like, yeah, Yo, man, go smoke a J come back later, 530 00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:37,560 but you know what I mean? It's pennies. The five pennies is 531 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:37,770 this 532 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,160 is this. That doesn't sound right. Well, it's it's about the 533 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,140 Encyclopedia of music. Okay, I'll have to see. I mean, it 534 00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:49,980 hadn't made an impression on me somehow. When I was a kid, 535 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:58,290 anyway. Yeah. Now, I like this and the interrupt there is, is, 536 00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:01,440 is perfect because it allows like, it allows people to 537 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,220 experiment with some of these features in a way for their for 538 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,070 their customers, or their for the benefit of their customers. 539 00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:11,340 I mean, this stuff works. It's not like you're just sandboxing 540 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,680 something and saying, you know, okay, well there's that early 541 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,780 word but you're getting your play around with it. All right, 542 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600 you know this this actually works and you and for those 543 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,580 customers who want to give it a go, they can that is but it's a 544 00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:30,240 very little risk to their primary business and time sink. 545 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:34,710 Although pocket running with scissors sometimes sometimes 546 00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:39,090 effects my actual business. Man, I screwed up the RSS feed on no 547 00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:40,770 agenda so bad yesterday. 548 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,590 Tell me what happened because I didn't follow. 549 00:34:44,489 --> 00:34:48,449 Okay, the first obvious issue is I have this caching thing, which 550 00:34:48,449 --> 00:34:53,699 is just killing me is just killing me i because of the 551 00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,869 cache, you know, I have to guess and wait well, maybe 15 minutes 552 00:34:57,869 --> 00:35:01,079 before I send a pod ping and so If you're doing that you're 553 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,519 trying to do a lit pod ping. And you know, oh shit, I've already 554 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,179 started the show. So it's a, it's an extra piece of work in 555 00:35:09,179 --> 00:35:12,419 the cockpit the pilot doesn't need. But I still want to do it. 556 00:35:12,779 --> 00:35:15,779 So anyway, so yesterday, yesterday, I was really sick, we 557 00:35:15,779 --> 00:35:19,829 did the show I'm done. And then in sovereign feed, which does 558 00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:24,869 all of this for me, somehow, instead of copy previous episode 559 00:35:24,869 --> 00:35:30,419 to make a new one, I just changed the old one. And I 560 00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:32,729 didn't realize it until I published it. But once you 561 00:35:32,729 --> 00:35:36,059 publish your RSS feed, particularly if you've got 562 00:35:36,059 --> 00:35:38,939 caching stuff, and there's no quick like, Oh, let me swap it 563 00:35:38,939 --> 00:35:39,269 out. 564 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:43,620 Those happen when you publish things, oh, man, and 565 00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:48,720 then and then yeah, so then I then I had to have curio caster 566 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,320 retrieve the original feed, and I still had, I always save a 567 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,070 copy of my feet. So for that, I can restore that restored that 568 00:35:56,070 --> 00:36:00,000 but then, you know, then curio caster has to wait 15 minutes to 569 00:36:00,030 --> 00:36:02,550 break through the cat or sovereign fees to break through 570 00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:06,270 the cache. Okay, so I finally got the old feed now goes to the 571 00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:10,950 whole thing. I do it properly. I publish. It takes forever Of 572 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:13,950 course, you know, pod but no one knows what's going on. Every app 573 00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:17,760 interprets that differently. So some people have a double A one 574 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,660 episode, the episodes are out of order. It has this different art 575 00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:25,260 on the right. I mean, it's a fucking mess. And 576 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:31,440 we show actually, we show works. So wonder what we have in the 577 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,580 index what it looks like. 578 00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:35,580 What do you mean? I didn't screw that one up. 579 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:38,250 Now I'm saying I wonder how we interpreted 580 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:40,230 Oh, 581 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:45,090 did you check we I'm looking at it now we show. It should be 582 00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:48,960 right. It looks like everything is correct. Except the title for 583 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,510 forcing it. 1472 is 1471. 584 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,590 No, no, it's reversed and see. The reverse in order. Says 585 00:36:58,890 --> 00:37:02,160 you're 71 only. Oh god, did I even do the 586 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,360 be looking at the looking at the index? 587 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:13,980 Did I not? Did I might not make it episodes. 1472. Oh, man, 588 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,240 it's wrong in the fall. 589 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:25,260 Oh my god. I see. And well, well, yay. So that's what I mean 590 00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:31,230 is like, shit happens. But oh, man. It's not so much that, you 591 00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:33,600 know, I can't you know, people are like, Hey, man, you messed 592 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,580 up. Okay, that's easy enough. But the amount of people who 593 00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:43,830 tell you hey, man, and the amount of tweets and emails and 594 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,740 yeah, so anyway, my own fault. 595 00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:51,270 This is when things go when when disaster happens in the phone 596 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:54,030 and the phone starts ringing off the hook. You know, what I 597 00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:57,330 usually say is okay. Would you like to stay on the phone and 598 00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:58,200 talk about this? 599 00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:59,700 Would you like me to go? And they'll say, 600 00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,070 Well, the same your choice. 601 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,800 Same thing with dog catcher every day. There's someone who 602 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,140 says, hey, hey, I can't get get the no agenda show on dog 603 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:15,750 catcher anymore. Yeah, but most people now i'd now I know what 604 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,330 to say them. And I say hey, man, here's what's going on and say, 605 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,190 oh, okay, I got you. Form Letter, your reply with no, it's 606 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:26,880 not. It's not a form letter. Okay, but people say yeah, you 607 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,490 know what, they never really did this or that. And so maybe it's 608 00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:31,950 time to get a new app, but a lot. This is how dedicated 609 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:33,180 people are to the apps. 610 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:38,340 As find it hard to be dedicated to an app that's been abandoned. 611 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:42,840 Like, I mean, it's I love sticking with apps clearly. I 612 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,740 mean, I stuck with a bad version of pod paying until I beat me in 613 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:50,670 the ass. But like, Well, Dave, I'm all I'm all about it. But I 614 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:53,730 just I mean, how do you stick with an app that the developer 615 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:56,220 has literally said, you know, I'm just not going to do this 616 00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:56,700 anymore. 617 00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:58,500 I still use freedom controller. 618 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,550 I couldn't resist. 619 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,370 I didn't come here for this abuse. Just messing 620 00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:14,940 me the brother. 621 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:20,220 Yeah, no, I just think it's time to move on from that app. 622 00:39:20,609 --> 00:39:24,089 Oh, yeah, definitely. But it's just, you know, just when it 623 00:39:24,089 --> 00:39:26,699 comes to, hey, we're just talking about software and how 624 00:39:26,699 --> 00:39:29,399 it all sucks and things break and it all depends on the people 625 00:39:29,399 --> 00:39:32,009 who are involved in it to make it work or not or care 626 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:34,230 about pod pink cloud for 627 00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:36,600 a second. Yes, because this was the other disaster. 628 00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:41,460 And it also leads to to another to an opportunity to hear so. 629 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:44,160 But yeah, so piping 630 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,490 a good explainer for the newbies on pod ping. 631 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:54,000 Okay, yeah, so pod ping is. Pod ping is a notification system 632 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,370 for podcast activity that rides on the hive blockchain. Hive is 633 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:03,150 a public A blockchain is very fast, it's it puts a new block 634 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:08,790 out every three seconds. So what we do is, or excuse me what, 635 00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:16,080 what piping does is when you, you can write a JSON blob to the 636 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,480 hive blockchain. And that JSON blob can contain URLs of 637 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:27,630 podcasts feeds, and a reason and potentially a medium attached to 638 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:35,640 them. So you can say, okay, no agenda show updated. And this is 639 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,820 the reason why it updated. Here's an update. And you could 640 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,840 say it's because it went live, or because the feed changed or 641 00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:45,840 blah, blah, blah, you put that on the blockchain. And then 642 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,500 within you know, within seconds, everybody, it becomes public, 643 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,550 and everybody can see no agenda changed, or whatever, you know, 644 00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:57,780 the podcast is. So that's, that's the Quickie overview of 645 00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:04,620 the way of what pod pain does. And we so then you there's 646 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,350 there's two components to it, you have what we call the hive 647 00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:11,580 writer, which writes the the pod pain, nobody notifications to 648 00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:15,960 the blockchain, then you have the hive watcher, which watches 649 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,540 the blockchain to read the notifications as they come by 650 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:26,520 block by block. And so we, the issue there is you have to have 651 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,710 what are called hive posting keys, like you have to have 652 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:35,040 permission, in essence to write to the hive blockchain. And the 653 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,190 permission that you get is through the delegation of their 654 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,810 hive coin. That's, you know, their cryptocurrency. That 655 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,140 which when you say permission, that's the technical version of 656 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:50,850 permission, but anybody can can acquire that permission and 657 00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:53,430 write to the to the blockchain for this, correct? 658 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:58,050 Yes. If they own coin, yes, if they get a stake if they can 659 00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:04,920 stake owned coin. Yes. So in order that's, that's a, that's a 660 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,570 roadblock or that's, that's a 661 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,220 mental roadblock for for many, I'm sure. Yeah. And 662 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:15,360 it was a practical roadblock to at first, because I still may be 663 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,210 this way, for all I know, I mean, it's not easy to buy to 664 00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:21,360 buy hive coin to begin with. I mean, it was a cumbersome 665 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,080 process. And so we were like, well, the hive blockchain is is 666 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,860 stable, and it's good for this purpose in but, I mean, the last 667 00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:36,420 thing we want to do is say, hey, blueberry, here's what you need 668 00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:39,630 to do this and pod things. Go buy you some hive is like that, 669 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:44,010 no, no, that's just enough. And I don't want to get into pimp 670 00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:46,440 and cryptocurrencies on people, okay, is like not going to 671 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,510 happen. So what we we took, we've created a thing called pod 672 00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:56,220 bean dot cloud. And pumping out cloud is we do all of the 673 00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:58,470 posting to the blockchain to the hive blockchain in the 674 00:42:58,470 --> 00:43:04,080 background. And all you have to do is send a URL of your feed 675 00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:07,110 and a rate and potentially in the future a reason code, send a 676 00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:11,070 URL of your feed to piping dot cloud. And then we already have 677 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:14,310 the staking and then all this stuff set up in the background 678 00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:17,910 with posting accounts. And we just write it to you to the 679 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:20,970 blockchain on your behalf. It just takes all of the messy 680 00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:24,840 cryptocurrency weirdness away from it. So that's the patreon 681 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,950 dot cloud service 682 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,390 with the with with the result being that that is a true 683 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:34,110 history of what is updated in podcasting. And it has a lot of 684 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:38,160 that detail. And of course, the pointer to each RSS feed. 685 00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:42,840 In that sense, it's an untapped resource, honestly, of 686 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,780 historical stats, and yeah, all kinds of things. So so that's 687 00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:54,180 what poppin dot cloud is. And in its its consists of five 688 00:43:54,180 --> 00:43:58,110 servers, three in the United States, one in Australia, one in 689 00:43:58,110 --> 00:44:02,520 Europe. They're globally there load balanced geo location load 690 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,290 balance. So when you send a URL to the piping cloud service, it 691 00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:12,690 chooses the load the nearest server to it to you. And uses 692 00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:18,390 that. As its as its, as its point. It's just a web it's each 693 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:24,030 server has two parts. It's a web server front end it's a binary 694 00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:28,620 just a single binary. And on the back end, it's it connects with 695 00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:35,760 the hive writer, Python script through a through zero MQ Z MQ, 696 00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:40,470 which is just an A an advanced socket architecture socket 697 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:45,450 service. Meaning like, you know, just like you saw any kind of 698 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,310 Unix socket, or TCP socket, you can, it can set itself up is 699 00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:52,380 that but then it gives you the ability to do all kinds of fun 700 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:56,790 stuff like many to one or one to many or queuing and oh, that 701 00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:57,390 sounds really 702 00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:57,810 fun. 703 00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:05,789 It's great. to try. And so anyway, that it's it's in 704 00:45:05,789 --> 00:45:08,249 essence, it's a fairly fairly simplistic system, you send a 705 00:45:08,249 --> 00:45:13,769 URL to the piping front end and the web server accepts it, sends 706 00:45:13,769 --> 00:45:17,669 it through the zero MQ socket. Hive writer gets it writes it to 707 00:45:17,669 --> 00:45:24,419 the blockchain done. Well, the I have not touched the piping 708 00:45:24,419 --> 00:45:30,389 servers in a couple of months. And I don't really think about 709 00:45:30,389 --> 00:45:38,039 it. And what what we do in the index is if you are a host that 710 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,089 supports pod ping, and sends pod pings, we don't pull you 711 00:45:42,089 --> 00:45:47,939 anymore, right? If so, that would be Buzzsprout rss.com. 712 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,680 No pausing for you. 713 00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:56,670 transistor, Captivate pod serve just the whole point. get thrown 714 00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:02,130 at Yes, exactly. And there's no there's more cast, cast a 715 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:07,410 seriously simple podcasting plugin through cast dos as the 716 00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:11,370 Mars a lot. So, yeah, and we're eating our own dog food. There's 717 00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:14,970 like, Okay, well, this, we were saying that this is the way that 718 00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:18,030 things should work. So everybody stops polling. Well, I'm not 719 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:20,790 just going to keep polling. I'm gonna I'm going to plant my 720 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:21,540 flag. 721 00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:23,670 Yes. And how'd that work out? 722 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:29,550 It blew up. It did not work. Yeah, no, no, it 723 00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:31,200 was working fine. I 724 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,870 guess. It was it was working fine for a long time. And 725 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:43,530 because there's three servers in the US, what had happened was 726 00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:50,340 one of them, the hive writer had locked up and frozen. With a 727 00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:57,030 with a head frozen with a with an exception. He had raised an 728 00:46:57,030 --> 00:47:00,690 exception that did not crash the process. So the process was just 729 00:47:00,690 --> 00:47:07,050 sitting there stuck. And then about a few weeks later, another 730 00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:10,530 one did the same thing. But there's still one over here 731 00:47:10,530 --> 00:47:15,030 left, is this getting traffic? And since the front end, the web 732 00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:20,370 server is still accepting URLs. Glad happily and just sticking 733 00:47:20,370 --> 00:47:21,180 them in the queue? 734 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,940 Did you just have a huge queue? Yeah, 735 00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:28,170 the queues just like, you know, it has 50,000 feeds in it. No. 736 00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:31,830 Yeah, no, but but because pod things are still coming through 737 00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:34,200 to the chain. I didn't realize anything was wrong. I thought it 738 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,350 was just raw, stink, things are still coming through because of 739 00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:40,290 that. 1/3 that third server, this being a troopers still 740 00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:47,310 doing his job. And then, then Alberto and johnsburg sent me a 741 00:47:47,310 --> 00:47:51,480 message like, hey, you know, Spurlock stats are showing that. 742 00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:56,850 There's been a big drop off in rss.com feed updates in my 743 00:47:56,850 --> 00:47:59,790 house. That's weird America. And really, nobody's contacted me 744 00:47:59,790 --> 00:48:03,120 about it. In there, like we're trying to think figured out, 745 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,760 maybe it's a caching issue. And I'm like, you know, of course, I 746 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:08,220 didn't go out to eat down like yo, yo, yes. Caching shuffle. 747 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,920 DNS DNS, obviously. Yeah, 748 00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:16,740 it clearly DNS. I wasted my time. So then, I'm like, okay, 749 00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:21,600 yeah, that's probably then Alberto delays his pod things by 750 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,970 like, two minutes. He's like, Nah, that's not it. Something's 751 00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:27,540 wrong. And I go hunting, and I find that it's frozen, and like, 752 00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:32,490 Oh, shoot. Okay. So I've been visiting. 753 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,810 This is interesting. Let me just interject. I follow the pod ping 754 00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:43,290 stats bot, on podcast index dot social. And for weeks, I because 755 00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:46,800 for some reason, I'm like, the post count to me was just like a 756 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,580 metric. So this thing will scroll by him and like 3.1, post 757 00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:54,960 3.3, you know, per minute, it's, I don't even know what it means 758 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,020 post count is 20 704. And it says in parentheses, 3.1 posts 759 00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:04,020 per minute. And I always felt that that gave me some kind of 760 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:07,290 impression of it's being used more. And for the past two, 761 00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:13,650 three weeks, I recall distinct like 22, five 2.1. That's much 762 00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:16,410 lower than a year. I don't even know what it means. But now, I 763 00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:21,090 just go to it right now. 5.1. So that's probably your cue is 764 00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:25,320 getting getting. I mean, it's, I think that is are you looking at 765 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,720 the chart? Like I know, I'm looking at I'm looking at the 766 00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:31,470 just the the the toots, the automated post. Yeah, the 767 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:35,370 automated post. And I have a feeling that I could see that 768 00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:40,380 happening. I just didn't know what it was. Okay. It was 769 00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,530 probably processing less posts per minute, or is that just my 770 00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:45,870 perception? It doesn't matter. No, no, 771 00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:48,240 no, there's definitely less coming through for sure. Yeah, 772 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,300 absolutely. And that and that was the case. And but because 773 00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,960 there was some coming through. I did yeah, I'm looking. I'm 774 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,150 looking at it here on these charts and that you can see the 775 00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:59,760 slowdown, because there was some coming through. I just it just 776 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,670 didn't Register there's anything wrong. And so yeah, and I went 777 00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:08,100 for wasn't figured out what was wrong and look, I gotta fix 778 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,190 this. But this has happened before I've seen it do this 779 00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:17,580 before. And turns out I was way behind in in in the hive router 780 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,740 has changed is changed hive libraries, it doesn't even use 781 00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:26,610 the same library anymore. Alex Gates has done a lot of work on 782 00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:30,450 it. And I was not current. So I'm like, I don't want to fool 783 00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:34,350 with this, but I gotta bite the bullet update these servers to 784 00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:35,760 the most current version. 785 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,640 Dave, I'm going to tell you right now that my Windows 786 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,840 machine is about to crash. Oh, you can feel it coming. Yeah, it 787 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,050 just did that whole thing again, that it did yesterday. 788 00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:56,520 Now okay, we made it back. Unfortunately, I didn't record 789 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,980 everything that was a spectacular blue screen of 790 00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:02,100 death. Why don't you What do you want to hear about it? 791 00:51:02,819 --> 00:51:05,099 Why didn't you handle your system thread exception is what 792 00:51:05,099 --> 00:51:06,719 I wanted to discuss was unhandled because 793 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,380 I didn't like handling it. But did you see what it is? NDIS dot 794 00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:13,830 sis. Is this like a networking thing? Some networking resource? 795 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,310 In India is I should know this 796 00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:18,960 sounds like something lame. 797 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:24,480 India now that's a drive network driver. Interface Specification. 798 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,500 Yes. network driver. 799 00:51:25,529 --> 00:51:28,439 Yeah. Well, what are they doing? What's the problem? 800 00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:31,980 I blame the road caster. Okay. 801 00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:37,290 Perfect. All right. You were talking about the broken pod 802 00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:38,310 pain cloud watcher? 803 00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:47,430 Oh, yeah. Yes, I was. Yeah, so the pug the so I had to upgrade 804 00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:53,370 it and get get to the newest version. And I'm like, Okay, 805 00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:56,850 well, if I'm gonna do this, let's just go Docker. And so 806 00:51:56,850 --> 00:52:00,570 I've just put Docker did the full upgrade on on all five 807 00:52:00,570 --> 00:52:06,210 servers. Docker, latest Docker Hub image is running on the 808 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,600 running hive rider. Alex helped me work through some networking 809 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,900 issues. Docker is a little confusing sometimes. Because you 810 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,060 your your Net ID, you have a net network, the Docker, the the 811 00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:20,670 private Docker network internal is not this is 812 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:25,140 yes, yes, I have. I have noticed this. It's very, it's very 813 00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:28,440 complicated for non non smart people. 814 00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:35,160 Like me, it's complicated even for from smart people. We got to 815 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,520 fix it. He anticipated this issue. And we got it fixed. He 816 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,700 had some environment variables we could say. So it's up and 817 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:46,200 running. And now. So it in that problem is that problem was 818 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:53,130 solved. I'm keeping an eye on things and I'm gonna. But so as 819 00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:55,440 as going through this process of which I should have done a 820 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:03,210 couple of months ago John Spurlock had sent a somebody had 821 00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:05,490 posted something on the podcast index and social the other day 822 00:53:05,490 --> 00:53:09,600 saying that, you know, why don't you make it once you put an 823 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,760 endpoint on the API for people that have a rewrite key, so that 824 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,710 they can send a pod pain through the API? And I think that's a 825 00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:20,790 fantastic idea. 826 00:53:24,030 --> 00:53:27,540 Yeah, it's a valid entry point, right? 827 00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:32,040 Yeah. I mean, if you if you're a PA, if you have a publisher key, 828 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,900 meaning you're a host, if you have a publisher level 829 00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:41,580 permission token, for the A for the podcast, index API, why not 830 00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:43,800 just make an endpoint where you can send the piping that way? 831 00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:47,340 Yeah. And you can do live, you know, you can say do a live 832 00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:51,150 piping through that. And I think that's a fantastic idea. And 833 00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,330 and, um, now that now that I've gone through the process and 834 00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:54,960 understand 835 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,500 the reason why it will be great. Yes. 836 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,880 Yes. And, and I know how to, I can quickly get get that, that 837 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,260 new duck, it's a duck arised version. What was odd is I've 838 00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:11,160 never really interacted with a Docker image like this. So 839 00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:13,470 typically, you think you know, when think Docker, you think of 840 00:54:13,470 --> 00:54:16,410 long running processes day and network like Damon's Oh, 841 00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:19,560 yeah, think of these things all the time. Yes, equally unclear 842 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,100 to you do. 843 00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:26,430 And you think of server services. You can also interact 844 00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:29,940 with it as a command line utility. So you can run 845 00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:35,550 something in a Docker, but call it like a command line, where it 846 00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:39,510 just spins up, does the thing and then exit exit? Oh, that's 847 00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:41,490 kind of cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 848 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:43,980 And I didn't really, really big shell script. 849 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:52,440 Very heavy ships. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so that, I think I can 850 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:59,100 do that on the API side. And then, and then have a similar 851 00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:04,320 thing and that's Cool because that would let that would let us 852 00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:08,700 allow hosting companies to use the API which they already have 853 00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:14,160 keys for, to send live notifications. They can record 854 00:55:14,490 --> 00:55:20,070 they can short cut their, their, their travel their, their road 855 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,360 to supporting live pod pings using something they're already 856 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,500 familiar with. Was the API. Nice. This is now this is now 857 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:29,700 firmly on the roadmap 858 00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:31,440 that was it is this is this a pimp? 859 00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:34,950 This is pimp one. Okay, 860 00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:40,200 because I heard Sam Sethi had with Oberto, they had already 861 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,400 claimed pimped to 862 00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:43,800 what what was pent one, 863 00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:47,580 whatever yours was they were doing pimp to whatever you got 864 00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:48,330 his pin one. 865 00:55:48,839 --> 00:55:52,889 Okay, this is okay, this is like GN us not Unix. This is a way 866 00:55:52,889 --> 00:55:57,929 they call those a regret regresses acronym or no the 867 00:55:57,929 --> 00:56:02,609 acronym contains itself. Yes what this is so pimp pimp one is 868 00:56:02,609 --> 00:56:04,319 the is the proposal 869 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:09,450 is the pimp system. Okay, so then they are pimp two and 870 00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:13,050 three. This is pin three. Okay. Podcast improvement movement. 871 00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:14,340 Proposal. 872 00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,950 No, no, no, I've got I've got it. I figured it out this week. 873 00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:20,820 It just hit me like a ton of bricks. It is the proposal to 874 00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:22,140 improve podcasting. 875 00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:26,910 Oh, perfect. Yeah, proposal to improve podcasting. Love it. 876 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,960 Yep. This Yep. Okay, so pin three is now 877 00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:35,040 that do we have a pimp system? Not yet. Right. In 878 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,630 my heart. I do. Okay. At heart, I'm a pimp. 879 00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:42,930 You're the Huggy Bear of podcasting development that you 880 00:56:42,930 --> 00:56:43,740 get there, right? 881 00:56:44,850 --> 00:56:49,110 Yeah, so that's this, the fact that your computer blue screen 882 00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:54,480 today is the perfect accoutrement to the entire week 883 00:56:54,510 --> 00:56:57,240 of software disasters. I mean, it's just perfect. 884 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,600 It has something to do with astrology, I'm convinced. 885 00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:04,680 Is a Venus in the orbit of Yeah. Do 886 00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:10,230 you know? What's a cold fan? He also he also boosts us from time 887 00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:11,640 to time. T does 888 00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:14,730 he behind the scheme's? No, no, no, no, no, 889 00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:20,100 I don't think so. No. Tarot cards. Oh, okay. Yeah, then that 890 00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:24,030 must be blueberry blueberry. No, it's a cult fan. I will call not 891 00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:28,800 blueberry now a cold fan? No. And he sends my I love it when 892 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,280 people draw my chart and they'll send it to me and like, and this 893 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,060 and this and Uranus and Mars and Venus and Jupiter and the sun 894 00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:39,420 and your moon is in Leo moon. But they never say if it's good 895 00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:43,620 or bad. It sounds like this is what's happening. Like, well, 896 00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:46,920 that's great. Should I be worried about getting shots? Or 897 00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:49,740 am I gonna win the lotto? And it's well, you know, I don't 898 00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:50,460 know, but 899 00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:53,610 depends on your point of view. 900 00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:59,040 I do feel that all computers are made of sand. Basically, Silica 901 00:57:59,610 --> 00:58:02,460 is silicon. So you know, there is not there are natural 902 00:58:02,490 --> 00:58:04,680 elements in them. And I've always felt that you know, 903 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,760 that's manipulable by the vibrations of the of the user. 904 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:13,140 Please note, I was bitching and saying I'm moving to Linux and 905 00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:15,900 then what is my machine do? Hello? You telling me it doesn't 906 00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:16,770 have a conscience? 907 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,320 Oh, yeah, it said it said Oh, yeah. 908 00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:27,120 lol really? Watch this. We've been getting a lot of live 909 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,190 booster rounds. We run through a few. Based upon the crash I had 910 00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:35,940 floydian slips. 2222 Adam was a pioneer in the podcasting 911 00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:38,970 industry. You're going to miss his hair. He is survived by a 912 00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:44,010 slew of podcast co hosts co hosts and just as many wives fu 913 00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:47,760 floor the RIP pod father Dave should have held your hand 914 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,950 tighter unfortunately no one we didn't catch that on the 915 00:58:49,950 --> 00:58:53,190 recording. It was like a titanic moment as my blue screen had me 916 00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:54,030 slipping away. 917 00:58:56,130 --> 00:59:00,120 You dropped in you dropped into the into the ravine three is not 918 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,840 getting hold you 919 00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,950 3000 from Sakai, the horse. Adam and Dave after a year of 920 00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:08,040 listening to this podcast, I decided to get a new podcast app 921 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,800 join the funnest since the Toshi thank you for your guys hard 922 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,260 work keeping the podcast free and open everyone there you go 923 00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:16,380 brand new. Brand new SAT streamer. Thank you 924 00:59:16,410 --> 00:59:19,920 took a year. I'm really bad at my job. Uh, Chris, 925 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,210 you know 3000 plus one for raspy blitz so far, it's been quite 926 00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,660 smooth compared to that Umbral story. I can tell you my raspy 927 00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:30,840 bliss story if you want I've had upgrade issues with raspy blitz 928 00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:41,430 big time. Well, here we are Mike Newman 1010100 101,010 SATs 929 00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:44,760 binary boosts looking forward to trying out John Spurlock's 930 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:52,110 thread dot land go podcast podcast Yeah, this is should we 931 00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:53,070 talk about that for a second? 932 00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:56,550 Yeah, let's do it. I was had put it in the show notes. Yeah, I 933 00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,020 also had the show notes. 934 00:59:58,620 --> 01:00:02,370 I tried to get John on But I don't think he saw my, I don't 935 01:00:02,370 --> 01:00:06,000 think he saw my message to him in time. It was very late in the 936 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,160 game, because I wanted to talk about it. I mean, I think I 937 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,360 think this is fantastic. He's, he's essentially created a 938 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,290 service, a headless service, if you want to call it that, where 939 01:00:19,290 --> 01:00:25,260 you can just go and get a prefix for your, your, for your feed 940 01:00:25,290 --> 01:00:28,590 for your podcast. And then anytime you need, you can just 941 01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:32,820 throw a value on the end of that prefix. And it just auto 942 01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:39,240 generates a activity pub route URL for you to put into your 943 01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:45,000 into your items. Really, and, and it doesn't actually, I may 944 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,500 be wrong. This is one of the reasons I want to get them in. 945 01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:49,440 But my understanding of the way that is worded is that it 946 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,960 doesn't actually create the post, or no activity happens 947 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,370 until the first comment. 948 01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:01,170 Ah, wow, this I just, I just typed in a URL was like, holy 949 01:01:01,170 --> 01:01:02,550 crap that works nicely. 950 01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:08,100 Yeah. I think it I think it's just basically activity pub. 951 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,130 objects on demand. Nice, which is kind of killer, 952 01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:15,360 Joe. 953 01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:21,060 I mean, I'm not sure anybody's done. I may be wrong, but I'm 954 01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:26,910 not sure anybody's done. Activity pub to this level of 955 01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:31,410 deinem dynamicity. Time dynamic bonus. 956 01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,850 Now I just tried to do our feed, will that not work because of a 957 01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:36,540 redirect? 958 01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:40,650 They should we if you get you gotta get the prefix. Did you 959 01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:41,640 get the prefix? No, I 960 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,540 just typed in the feed. And listen, man, I'm really good at 961 01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:47,820 breaking stuff. I just want everyone to understand that this 962 01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:53,880 is what I do. It is. Let me see. I mean, if you if you just go 963 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:59,610 there to thread dot land and what is our what is our feed 26 964 01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:03,000 is now what is our feed address? What does what feed addressing 965 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,030 says find your podcast? I'll just find your podcasts. I'm 966 01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:07,080 gonna try this pod. 967 01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:08,670 Yeah, type in podcast. 968 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,400 She does a search right there. Are you kidding me? Man, we 969 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:21,300 still do some amazing shit here. to Florida. What are you 970 01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:25,350 laughing? We build some amazing shit. Alright, so there's our 971 01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:28,050 prefix. Okay, I got that. And then what do I do for each 972 01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:31,140 episode? You want to enable comments and your RSS feed uses 973 01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:37,590 prefix and a unique suffix. So that would be I do like, PC two? 974 01:02:37,590 --> 01:02:40,290 Oh, 95. Right. 975 01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:43,230 Or not? Yeah. Yeah, that sounds that sounds great. And 976 01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:46,620 that's and it's and he says that's it? That's yeah, that's 977 01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:46,890 it. 978 01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:52,980 And it creates the activity pub object. When? When nothing when 979 01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:54,990 the first reply happens. So 980 01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:59,400 should we use it for even though you usually do the thing on? Now 981 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,500 let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah, let's use it for this one. I'd 982 01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,190 like that. 983 01:03:02,610 --> 01:03:07,230 Okay, so he says kind of important note. This service is 984 01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:11,040 still in development and doesn't actually work yet. So don't make 985 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,800 any real feed changes. I'm making it available pre initial 986 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,860 launch to engage engagements. I think it does work. I think he's 987 01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:19,410 just setting expectations. 988 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,700 Okay, so I have this prefix and then slash and then I do I'll 989 01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:27,780 just do 95 Just to make it simple. Okay, that makes sense. 990 01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:32,550 Okay. Yeah. All right, cool. Well, that that kind of solves 991 01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:35,430 everything, doesn't it? Or it solves a lot gets a lot of 992 01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:36,240 things started. 993 01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:40,740 And he says, if you're interested in using this service 994 01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:43,560 for your podcast, DM me on Twitter or Mastodon with your 995 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,460 prefix URL above, and I'll add you to the early access list. 996 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,800 Probably shouldn't better do that. Okay. Wait, does your no 997 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,460 let's go ahead and do it. Now. What is your disk prefix you 998 01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:59,640 show? Is it seven G O P six? LC Yes, sir. 999 01:04:00,450 --> 01:04:00,810 All right. 1000 01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:03,180 I'm gonna send that to John as we speak. 1001 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,380 Okay. All right. We're getting we're getting connected here. 1002 01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:12,360 Yeah, I mean, this is this is, this is dog food. We're gonna 1003 01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:14,910 eat it. Say Hey, John. 1004 01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:19,890 I'll continue with some of these boosts that came in while you're 1005 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,140 dictating your note. Yeah, as a C Brooklyn 111 to 5000 1006 01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:31,620 sharpening those scissors indeed. Thank you. Let's see we 1007 01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:42,930 have pre blueberry 17,776 Urgent this boost is racist. All right, 1008 01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:49,860 thanks. Called acid 20,003 33 posts troubleshooting boost for 1009 01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:52,290 95. Yeah, these people are so nice to hanging while you're 1010 01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:57,240 doing all that crap. Crimson deer 10,001 Breeze boosts This 1011 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,840 is nice. Thank you all. Thank you fellows and ladies And 1012 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:09,960 there's hard hat with the with the testing 111 1111 And I think 1013 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,050 that's Oh no we had blueberry come in with a super row of 1014 01:05:16,050 --> 01:05:22,770 ducks 22,222 st oh my goodness pay tar is a confirmed known 1015 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,910 goat slaughtering maniac oh I guess I guess it would yeah this 1016 01:05:26,910 --> 01:05:30,270 is that you know those people are crazy blueberry and all 1017 01:05:30,270 --> 01:05:34,350 these these these guys go nuts with their with their live shows 1018 01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:39,360 he murdered approximately 15 goats and boosted the GIMP live 1019 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,720 in the greenroom last week see this code here? Producers were 1020 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,810 doing drugs just to cope while Alex Jones was shouting yay in 1021 01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:48,690 the background what a mess we're gonna need a black light boost 1022 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,410 get this cleaned up. So what there this is, from what I 1023 01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:59,220 understand this is the this is the the bot they had set up so 1024 01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:03,870 people could fire off their own. That heli pad sounds with a 1025 01:06:03,870 --> 01:06:07,890 boost. I mean the idea is really cool. I like it a lot. 1026 01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:12,600 He clarified later and said that it has you can fire off sounds 1027 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,760 but it has to be approved sounds that they 1028 01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:17,429 that yeah, they have to put it in beforehand. Sure that makes 1029 01:06:17,429 --> 01:06:18,569 sense. Because 1030 01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:24,780 I'm thinking if you want to go full on scissor nuts go you just 1031 01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:29,520 drop it you say Okay, put a URL to an mp3 in your boost and 1032 01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:32,160 that's where it gets triggered and dad is now 1033 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:34,830 I've had a sign I have some experience with this 1034 01:06:36,330 --> 01:06:37,050 bar Friday. 1035 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,410 Yeah, and and what I said what I had I was using early Dropbox I 1036 01:06:43,410 --> 01:06:45,990 said hey, here's my Dropbox, just put something in there and 1037 01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:49,530 then I'll play it which was great. Which was great until 1038 01:06:49,530 --> 01:06:53,040 every single drop box I had was filled because of course I was 1039 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:59,700 like look here's these 15 Pink Floyd albums so if what you're 1040 01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:02,040 gonna wear you're gonna have as you're gonna have someone firing 1041 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,610 it up and you're gonna have a 20 minute song running so yeah, 1042 01:07:06,540 --> 01:07:08,850 that always works in very limited flavors. 1043 01:07:10,830 --> 01:07:17,280 Unlimited flavors Yeah, so that I love the I love the idea of 1044 01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:20,520 here's what I like about this conceptually about what John did 1045 01:07:22,890 --> 01:07:29,100 is very similar to what what Alex is doing with with no 1046 01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:34,680 agenda tube and and what Andy layman is doing with with his 1047 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:43,350 vape with his podcasting 2.0 WordPress plugin and like the 1048 01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:48,360 way Allah this this is what happens when you like it's one 1049 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,910 thing to have an idea we can all we all have ideas but that that 1050 01:07:53,910 --> 01:08:00,540 doesn't mean yea have your idea but he put some meat on those 1051 01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:04,350 bones like actually make something that somebody can use 1052 01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:09,570 that because if you don't and and brown brown of London with 1053 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,160 with with the highs with the highs, machine and like and pod 1054 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,720 pink, go don't just come up with an idea come up with an idea and 1055 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,170 then and then put some flesh on it. So that it's it's 1056 01:08:22,170 --> 01:08:26,760 functional. Because that's the difference between Okay, let me 1057 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,470 compare the compare pod ping pong just take it taking popping 1058 01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:35,580 and random ninja netlist, let's scrap that take social interact 1059 01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:41,760 tag and thread land. Compare that to something like pod Pass, 1060 01:08:42,090 --> 01:08:46,590 which was developed as a home pod pass. Okay, yeah, pod pass, 1061 01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:49,950 we've talked about before it was developed as a protocol, a 1062 01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:55,740 protocol proposal for how to enter for how apps can do 1063 01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:59,070 subscription can confirm that they're subscribed to a private 1064 01:08:59,070 --> 01:09:05,130 feed. Or it can subscribe to a subscription level feed in in an 1065 01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:07,710 open way. It's a nice, it's a nice design. It's pretty cool. 1066 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:15,990 It was proposed and a few years ago before the pandemic, but it 1067 01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:19,290 was just a spec sheet. Like it was just a spec as a spec 1068 01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:24,870 protocol, right. There was never any software that showed it 1069 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:29,010 running, showed it doing what it was supposed to do. Allow people 1070 01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:33,510 to hook into it and sandbox it and play with it. Like if you 1071 01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:38,460 don't, this is why podcasts. This is another reason why 1072 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:44,070 podcasting has tended to stagnate is because lots of 1073 01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:48,120 people have great ideas. But nobody's actually writing usable 1074 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,830 code that can help people get from the concept to the finished 1075 01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:55,050 product. Well, everybody's busy. 1076 01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:58,350 I would say this is what hampers humanity in general Dave, 1077 01:09:58,350 --> 01:10:01,290 everybody has great ideas. But it always comes down to 1078 01:10:01,290 --> 01:10:02,100 execution. 1079 01:10:02,670 --> 01:10:06,540 Yeah, true. And we've got to hate the ideas guy, you know? 1080 01:10:06,810 --> 01:10:09,840 So we've got a lot of executioner's. I like it. We've 1081 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,730 got people podcasting. 2.0 executioner's. Hail the 1082 01:10:14,730 --> 01:10:21,990 executioner's they. They absolutely execute. That's the 1083 01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:25,590 same with what is that new art? Wasn't there some media RSS? No. 1084 01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:27,750 Or was it the one with the math? 1085 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,580 The one with the math. RSS. 3.00. Yeah. RSS 3.0. You bring 1086 01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:39,360 your own. You have to have a slide rule and a copy of Wolfram 1087 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,850 Alpha to write a podcast feed. 1088 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,530 Yeah. Yeah. 1089 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,480 I don't think I've mentioned that the other day. 1090 01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:47,880 I don't think I've seen one of those in the wild yet either. 1091 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,470 You never will. That's yeah, that's the problem. You'll never 1092 01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:54,030 see one of those things in the world. By the 1093 01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:56,940 way. I'm gonna watch it tonight. Since Tina and I are both kind 1094 01:10:56,940 --> 01:11:03,270 of icky mood. Anyway, it is Danny Kaye a song is born. Oh, 1095 01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:09,120 is the name of the movie it is. Danny Kaye Houma. I'm gonna 1096 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:17,250 second will that play with her gangster? Benny Goodman, the 1097 01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:21,660 whale of Benny Goodmans clarinet. The whale I like to 1098 01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:27,120 moan of Tommy Dorsey's trombone. I'm reading the titles. The shit 1099 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,720 they were saying the Mon the call of Louis Armstrong's 1100 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,750 trumpet. Anyway, with their gangster boyfriend under 1101 01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:37,200 investigation by the police, a nightclub singer hides out in a 1102 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,340 musical research institution staffed by bachelor professors. 1103 01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:46,410 What could possibly go wrong? One of whom begins to fall for 1104 01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:47,670 her. Yeah, that see. 1105 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,080 innuendo? No. Yes. In the 50s It's, 1106 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,800 it's it's borderline blackface movie this 19 That's no good. 1107 01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:01,740 Yeah. 1948 48 1108 01:12:01,740 --> 01:12:03,150 I didn't realize Danny Kaye went back that 1109 01:12:03,150 --> 01:12:07,800 far. I think so. Yeah. The 48. Yeah. You know, he's down. He 1110 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:13,500 must have been young. He knows. Did you know he's dead? Yeah. 1111 01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:21,870 He's buried in Danny case, too. I don't know. Kevin rook, have 1112 01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:23,220 you been listening to his podcast? 1113 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,470 I started listening to. I've been on his podcast. I've 1114 01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:31,110 listened to several of his episodes. And I recently went 1115 01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:38,070 back and about halfway through the Paul E. Toy Interview. 1116 01:12:38,849 --> 01:12:42,299 Interview. Yes, great interview. It really helped me understand 1117 01:12:42,299 --> 01:12:43,649 Paul a little bit better. I think. 1118 01:12:45,630 --> 01:12:48,330 Your view basically nothing changed. Their mission has 1119 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,420 always been the same. They just stopped the non profitable 1120 01:12:51,420 --> 01:12:55,320 podcasting stuff. Yeah, right. Honestly, that's, that's all 1121 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,960 that's what it was. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, he has a real 1122 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,890 company that does real stuff. And, and the entire sphinx chat 1123 01:13:01,890 --> 01:13:06,510 and the and the integration, the interrupt we did was 1124 01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:11,550 instrumental is one who is what got this all kickin, basically 1125 01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:12,900 the the value for values. 1126 01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:18,450 And I guess I liked it, too, because he, he, he described his 1127 01:13:18,450 --> 01:13:23,820 interaction with lightning, in, in a very sort of blue collar 1128 01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:28,110 utilitarian way. He's like, he's like, wait, you know, all the 1129 01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:30,900 things we've done with lightning have been purely in service of a 1130 01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:35,730 mission of an of a larger goal, which was the stack work thing 1131 01:13:35,730 --> 01:13:38,640 and that kind of thing? In it kind of relates back to what we 1132 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,940 were saying just a second ago with don't just have an idea. 1133 01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:45,990 Have some have some? Give it feet? Yeah. Because when you 1134 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,600 like, the same, our interaction with lightning is also very 1135 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,750 utilitarian and very blue collar. I mean, we need to get 1136 01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:58,050 we need to get a job done. 1137 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,350 Yeah, we need to scream them SATs, we need to write those 1138 01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:02,370 SATs everywhere. 1139 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:10,410 And it allows us to spray them. And that's, but I think I think 1140 01:14:10,410 --> 01:14:14,760 that's a fine. I think that's a fine position to have. And it 1141 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,850 may it makes a lot of sense for them. Because you're gonna go 1142 01:14:17,850 --> 01:14:21,480 through phases where it's like, well, I mean, I am the job is 1143 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:25,020 not to be the you know, the champion of of a thing the job 1144 01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:30,450 is to, is to improve the thing is to improve the thing in on in 1145 01:14:30,450 --> 01:14:32,490 but on behalf of the larger goal. 1146 01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:36,420 And also, I mean, I apologize, we basically ran them into the 1147 01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:39,810 ground on that, you know, when we broke we broke their self 1148 01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:42,090 well, who will not there's not necessarily their software, but 1149 01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:44,760 the concept of everybody gets their own node and you don't 1150 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,340 have to worry about your channel management. And that was 1151 01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:52,380 impossible because it wasn't just here's the sat here sat 1152 01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:55,290 there. 20 SATs for this. No, it's like boom booths, 1153 01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:58,530 everything going on, and it was just too much. It was way too 1154 01:14:58,530 --> 01:14:59,040 much. 1155 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,020 Yeah, it broke that system. Yeah. Yeah, the distributed node 1156 01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:08,490 model thing. Yeah. Yeah. But the reason I brought up Kevin Brooks 1157 01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:11,820 because he had an interview with Christian Decker, that's a very 1158 01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:17,040 good interview, because he talks about a lot of what brought it 1159 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,010 up, as Brian of London was mentioning a lot of things, a 1160 01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:23,160 lot of problematic things with lighten lightnings frustrating 1161 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:28,410 things that he this week, that's worth going and listening to the 1162 01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:31,770 interview, because he talks about, I mean, these are known 1163 01:15:31,770 --> 01:15:37,050 issues, the problem that fixes are in the works for one, one of 1164 01:15:37,050 --> 01:15:43,410 the things is, is liquidity offers, and how you can just as 1165 01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:46,590 part of, as part of the standard lightning gossip, you'll be able 1166 01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:51,600 to, to announce the offer of liquidity. And that will be 1167 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,390 negotiated. Like, in in, in the software in the notes, software. 1168 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,410 And then you can just, you know, bring up bring up some liquidity 1169 01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:04,920 when you need it without having to go through loop or pool or 1170 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,180 any of these sort of liquidity service providers. Because that 1171 01:16:09,210 --> 01:16:11,370 I think that's a real fear out there is that there's going to, 1172 01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:14,580 you know, everything's gonna get concentrated in the hands of 1173 01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:19,080 sort of these big liquidity providers. And this is a way to 1174 01:16:19,290 --> 01:16:22,080 combat that. And it makes it more efficient to because you 1175 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,810 just always would have these offers floating around the 1176 01:16:24,810 --> 01:16:28,590 network for liquidity. And you just, you know, you, 1177 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,060 programmatically or Software wise negotiating the acceptance 1178 01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:35,280 of an offer, and then you gotta channel and you may have 1179 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,600 somebody who's that, that allows small players to participate in 1180 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,580 that game as well, to offer liquidity instead of everybody 1181 01:16:44,580 --> 01:16:48,750 just defaulting because you don't want you don't want 1182 01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:52,950 somebody to become the YouTube of liquidity. You know, or the 1183 01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:56,430 Google of lightning liquidity. You want it to be democratized. 1184 01:16:56,430 --> 01:17:00,630 And you want small, somebody that just has $1,000 on their, 1185 01:17:01,050 --> 01:17:03,840 on their node, you want them to be able to also offer liquidity 1186 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,250 services at at cheaper rates as a competition to the big guys. 1187 01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:08,730 Well, what's 1188 01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:12,510 interesting is that many of these liquidity type services 1189 01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:16,410 are brokered by centralized players. This is what lightning 1190 01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:19,770 labs tried to do with pool which I never quite understood just 1191 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,110 never is it really which which interview wasn't 1192 01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:25,080 Christian Decker 1193 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,180 Christian, is that an older one? 1194 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,850 And those recent, recent, he's the guy from green light. Yeah, 1195 01:17:32,850 --> 01:17:34,170 no block stream? Yeah, 1196 01:17:34,230 --> 01:17:37,740 I'll have I'll have to look. It's not on this page yet. Okay. 1197 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:43,200 Well, you know, what I, first of all, the Lightning Network. 1198 01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:47,040 There's so many private channels that we have no idea what's 1199 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,970 going on. And in its massive, massive, massive amount that's 1200 01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:54,900 just for, for a traders moving shit back and forth real quick. 1201 01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:02,010 What I like about the Lightning Network is, you know, we have 1202 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,780 over 140 small channels connected to the podcast index 1203 01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:09,540 node, and we route pretty efficiently for what we're 1204 01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:14,550 doing. It's not, you know, people need to be able to get 1205 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,590 stats into their wallet, and to the podcaster. And because we're 1206 01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:23,940 part of a hub system, there's many other players who provide 1207 01:18:25,380 --> 01:18:30,990 provide connectivity and liquidity. You know, I, for some 1208 01:18:30,990 --> 01:18:34,020 reason, it doesn't, it's never felt. It's like the Internet to 1209 01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:37,440 me, you know, it's like, do, we basically have our own public 1210 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:41,430 private network, where most of our shit traverses over our 1211 01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:44,520 pipes, but it can go anywhere else, and anywhere anyone else 1212 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,050 can come in. I've never seen it as this network where everyone 1213 01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:53,100 has to do a certain thing, or you have to have big liquidity. 1214 01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:56,130 I don't know. It's just you and I could just have a channel 1215 01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,770 between us and just be sending stuff. That's kind of the appeal 1216 01:18:58,770 --> 01:19:02,250 to me is I don't feel like I'm left out or I'm not a player 1217 01:19:02,250 --> 01:19:05,700 because I don't have 100 Bitcoin on a channel. 1218 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,610 That feels the same way. Yeah, I feel the same way. I felt the 1219 01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:10,590 entry points are small. Yeah. And. 1220 01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:15,810 And, you know, the same holds true is what you were saying 1221 01:19:15,810 --> 01:19:18,000 like lots of people like hey, man, you should do this with 1222 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,420 eath. 1223 01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:20,370 Yeah. 1224 01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:24,630 Oh, no. Hey, look, here's the spec. Go ahead and do it. Okay. 1225 01:19:25,230 --> 01:19:28,350 Crickets. They don't ever do it. No, they never never never do 1226 01:19:28,350 --> 01:19:28,530 it. 1227 01:19:29,070 --> 01:19:32,010 Hey, Brian Brown of London did it. He didn't. Nobody used him 1228 01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:36,960 but he sure did. He sure did. So I mean, given give that guy all 1229 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:37,680 the kudos. 1230 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,320 Do you have any clips you want to play? Because I've seen these 1231 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,610 for a couple shows. Now. 1232 01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,030 I've been dragging these guys don't 1233 01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:46,740 bring them next week if you don't want to play? 1234 01:19:47,850 --> 01:19:49,470 Yeah, they're bothering you. 1235 01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:52,830 Well, I just feel bad. They're in the well, you know, it's like 1236 01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:55,920 the like little children drowning in this well for weeks. 1237 01:19:57,060 --> 01:19:58,680 Probably nothing, nothing you want to 1238 01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:03,540 know. Do you A hit the Volcker one. That's a fun one. Volcker. 1239 01:20:04,110 --> 01:20:05,430 Oh, yeah. 1240 01:20:05,490 --> 01:20:07,080 I mean, Paul is this Paul Volcker? 1241 01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,690 Yeah. Paul Volcker. So So here's, you know, I've been 1242 01:20:09,690 --> 01:20:10,680 reading this book, 1243 01:20:11,759 --> 01:20:14,699 the former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. Yeah. former 1244 01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:17,910 Fed chairman, former and he, in the end, he's talking about this 1245 01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:21,360 book in there. And what's the secrets of the temple is the 1246 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:27,390 name of this book. And it's written by Grider. William 1247 01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:30,900 Greider, is that the guy's name? I'm gonna have to look this up. 1248 01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:37,020 So great. Greater. Yeah. William greeter, I guess it says, the 1249 01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,560 psyche died in 2019. It's an older book. I think it's from 1250 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:49,110 maybe the late 90s. But it's about the Volcker fed. And in 1251 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:53,670 during the Jimmy Carter, starting Jimmy Carter, Ronald 1252 01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:55,710 Reagan era where he raised the interest rate 1253 01:20:55,710 --> 01:20:56,550 to 20%. 1254 01:20:57,030 --> 01:21:02,580 Yes. And so. It it's a big book, let me I think it's like 800 1255 01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:06,840 pages. It's a myth. It's a monster. But it's a dip into it 1256 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,900 every night. I'm making my way through it. And it is. It is 1257 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:15,750 very, very good. It goes, he takes a super deep dive this he 1258 01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:18,030 wrote for The Washington Post back when the Washington Post 1259 01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:25,860 actually did real journalism. He. So he dives into what 1260 01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:32,880 happened to sort of kick off the 70s inflation problem, late 70s 1261 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,350 inflation problem, and then how it like step by step, the 1262 01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:42,480 different people involved, how they came to power, what they 1263 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:49,170 did, all along the way to combat the problem. And hit this is 1264 01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:52,020 what he's talking about in the clip. Yeah, well, a lot of 1265 01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:57,540 times, they take it as a measure of their valor, of how much pain 1266 01:21:57,540 --> 01:22:00,180 they're willing to inflict for the greater good and that kind 1267 01:22:00,180 --> 01:22:03,090 of thing. That's how they know they're doing the right thing, 1268 01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:08,190 and how under Volker it was murder, how he forced a 1269 01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,070 depression on the American people, which he did, it was the 1270 01:22:11,070 --> 01:22:13,590 only way to defeat inflation which his predecessors had 1271 01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:18,510 caused. And now here, he came in, to lick inflation. But that 1272 01:22:18,510 --> 01:22:22,590 did mean bankruptcies all across the land by people who weren't 1273 01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:26,370 guilty enough and but who just got caught up in the monetary 1274 01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:30,870 policy of their overlords might as well be a million miles away. 1275 01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:36,270 And they kept statistics of how many bankruptcies, you know, 1276 01:22:36,270 --> 01:22:39,990 personal and business, how many divorces how much foster care 1277 01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:43,350 how much whatever statistics that you can measure. So, you 1278 01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:46,710 know, church attendance or whatever, however, you measure 1279 01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:50,160 social crises, they measure it at the Fed, they count those 1280 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:55,620 beans. And then they would say, you know, good for you, Jenkins, 1281 01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:58,710 that you're willing to hang tough on this policy for another 1282 01:22:58,710 --> 01:22:59,910 little while longer. 1283 01:23:01,380 --> 01:23:03,000 Yeah, that's a real recession. 1284 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,710 Yeah. And then they would, they would say, Okay, this is, this 1285 01:23:07,710 --> 01:23:10,500 is how bad it's getting. And they would turn the turn the 1286 01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,770 dials according to how much pain was going on in the economy less 1287 01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:18,660 sick, absolutely sick. And then in the congratulatory note of, 1288 01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:18,960 you know, 1289 01:23:19,050 --> 01:23:25,380 well done. Job well done. Well, you know, so what we said, it's 1290 01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:32,970 so moronic, the response we see now. First of all, word, and you 1291 01:23:32,970 --> 01:23:36,000 know what, now, we've redefined the wiki, they literally 1292 01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:40,080 redefined the technical definition of a recession on 1293 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:44,340 Wikipedia and locked down the page. Are you serious? Yeah. Cuz 1294 01:23:44,340 --> 01:23:48,840 it used to be to, you know, two negative quarters in a row of 1295 01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:53,160 GDP, to negative growth. And, and so now that's changed to 1296 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,350 including all these other things, you know, it's not 1297 01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:58,710 really that and then I just locked it down. You can't edit 1298 01:23:58,710 --> 01:24:03,300 anymore. Oh, it's controversial. But But forget that we have the 1299 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,190 inflation Reduction Act. This is brilliant. This is the thing 1300 01:24:08,190 --> 01:24:10,320 that mentioned, just signed on to 1301 01:24:10,890 --> 01:24:13,140 Oh, I saw this past today, right? Yeah. So it's 1302 01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:19,710 $369 billion to reduce the inflation, you see. Because, 1303 01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:26,910 yeah, sure. Because this will fix everything is like, okay, is 1304 01:24:28,170 --> 01:24:32,190 the pain the pet? Yes, that pain of the 70s, which you probably 1305 01:24:32,190 --> 01:24:33,300 don't remember any of that. 1306 01:24:34,230 --> 01:24:37,620 That was born in 76. So I was a little younger, but, but I do 1307 01:24:37,620 --> 01:24:40,110 distinctly here's what I distinctly remember from that 1308 01:24:40,110 --> 01:24:47,610 era. I remember my dad having having job after job after job 1309 01:24:47,610 --> 01:24:51,120 after job. He was. I mean, he could not keep a job for longer 1310 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:55,050 than six months. It was just I was that his number that was 1311 01:24:55,049 --> 01:24:57,029 that his drinking or was it the meth? 1312 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,540 Yeah, I mean it's like he went in he had to go to one company 1313 01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:06,660 and he was he was a programmer. He would go to one company they 1314 01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:09,270 would go bankrupt you go to another company they would they 1315 01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:11,550 would down they would lay everybody off you get on it was 1316 01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:11,940 just 1317 01:25:11,970 --> 01:25:17,460 was like Tammy Tina grew up in Indiana Midwest and her dad now 1318 01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:20,160 he was allowed singer which was a different different problem. 1319 01:25:21,060 --> 01:25:23,820 But know this about Tina and that's Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, 1320 01:25:23,820 --> 01:25:27,630 no. All the girls know all the lyrics. And yeah, he had he had 1321 01:25:27,630 --> 01:25:30,360 a band man he had like horns and everything, you know, kind of 1322 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,440 like KC and the Sunshine bamboo. No, no, he was he was he was 1323 01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:41,670 swinger. The Tony Allen knees. But but you know, the steel mill 1324 01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:46,590 close. Yeah, well, they laid off half the workforce. You know, 1325 01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:49,020 it's like, Okay, goodbye, everybody. Then what do you do? 1326 01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:51,960 Well, what happens is everything becomes dirt poor and 1327 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:52,740 impoverished 1328 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,860 it in that I remember my dairy 1329 01:25:55,860 --> 01:25:57,060 Indiana right there. 1330 01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:00,240 Oh, that was bad. Yeah. And it's ground zero for some bad stuff. 1331 01:26:00,270 --> 01:26:05,310 Yeah, I remember my dad went from he went from a 1332 01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:09,120 involuntarily went from white collar blue collar. At one 1333 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,640 point, because he was, you know, he's a programmer. He's doing 1334 01:26:11,670 --> 01:26:14,610 you know, in this, this was back during the days of IBM System 1335 01:26:14,610 --> 01:26:20,340 36. Pray this is the precursor today as for hundreds and mid 1336 01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:25,200 range, mainframe level stuff. So then he he just got laid off, 1337 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:30,180 could not find a programming job. Got in any sort of any way 1338 01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:34,860 it started going hang a sheet rock. And then had a string of 1339 01:26:34,890 --> 01:26:37,740 of those jobs until the economy began to recover a little bit. 1340 01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:42,240 But I mean, if it goes bad, meaning it got to the point 1341 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,840 where he had to just find any job he could not be, you know, 1342 01:26:46,050 --> 01:26:48,870 well, these days, and we're not there yet. We're not there yet. 1343 01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:49,110 Oh, 1344 01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:55,170 no, no, no, this it will be very interesting to see what happens. 1345 01:26:55,170 --> 01:27:00,210 But considering the the changes in attitude are, Gee, I don't 1346 01:27:00,210 --> 01:27:03,510 know, first of all, you know, part of those problems came from 1347 01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:07,710 leaving the gold standard than creating the petro dollar. Now 1348 01:27:07,710 --> 01:27:10,680 the petro that when Petro was under attack, so it was the 1349 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,660 petro dollar. And we've just inflated the crap out of it. We 1350 01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,120 just printed too much. And it's because of the thinking of 1351 01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,590 modern monetary theory. Yes, yes. So that thinking wasn't 1352 01:27:22,590 --> 01:27:25,080 around before. And now it's like, well, you can just print 1353 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,450 whatever you want. And to some degree, it's true as long as you 1354 01:27:27,450 --> 01:27:30,900 have money to start with as long as as long as you're in the in 1355 01:27:30,900 --> 01:27:33,930 the right circles print as much as you want. We'll just get more 1356 01:27:33,930 --> 01:27:34,620 on the way out. 1357 01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:38,250 I mean, I would say modern monetary theory is not that much 1358 01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:42,270 different than than just basic Keynesianism, but I think people 1359 01:27:42,270 --> 01:27:46,110 were just too scared to do it before. Now. They're just now 1360 01:27:46,110 --> 01:27:49,170 There they are. They're not scared. Now, it's just like, 1361 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,440 Okay, go go, go, go go now. Like all the bets are off, and 1362 01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:54,540 they're just they're just printing as fast as they can. 1363 01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:59,310 Seems like it seems like it I've gotten an ISO I think it's 1364 01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:00,930 pretty red. All right. 1365 01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:03,840 See what this is here we go. How 1366 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,280 long is this gonna take? 1367 01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:12,090 It's just so people can just have random ringtones we just 1368 01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:15,720 seemed appropriate for this week. 1369 01:28:16,110 --> 01:28:18,870 No kidding. It's been an interesting one. Shall we 1370 01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:22,380 software disaster week, shall we thanks some people who supported 1371 01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:26,460 podcasting 2.0 And with that, I'm not talking about just this 1372 01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:29,910 podcast but the entire project is a value for value project. 1373 01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:35,640 It's open, anyone can join. The support and value you return is 1374 01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,470 what is used directly for running all of our servers for 1375 01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:43,500 keeping everything running smoothly for the liquidity on 1376 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:47,280 the node. We have bills that we that we pay we don't pay 1377 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:52,950 ourselves but we are very happy to continue to a shepherd 1378 01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:59,160 podcasting to a safer and doesn't sound right safer. I 1379 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,850 don't like it being safe said protect the protected future. A 1380 01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:05,670 more protected future. Let's put it that way. Because there's a 1381 01:29:05,670 --> 01:29:07,860 lot of people out there that want to screw it. You know, 1382 01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:12,450 there's like going to get rid of RSS. And we can do it ourselves. 1383 01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:13,440 Well, we're putting a 1384 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:20,250 force field around RSS that's the way to look at it we have 1385 01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:28,530 got some quite large pay bills. Oh, and this this. This should 1386 01:29:28,530 --> 01:29:33,300 excite you. I'm excited about it. Right out of the gate. 1387 01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:39,600 rss.com Send us $1,000 Whoa, 1388 01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:46,980 holy crap. Shot Caller 20 blades on am Paula. There must be a 1389 01:29:46,980 --> 01:29:48,900 note accompanied with this. I hope 1390 01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:53,130 is there yes him as matter of fact there is a note. It says 1391 01:29:53,130 --> 01:29:57,270 Adam and Dave, podcasting. 2.0 is changing the landscape. We're 1392 01:29:57,510 --> 01:30:01,410 proud to help you and the whole team keep up Good work, flip 1393 01:30:01,410 --> 01:30:04,980 this Fiat to SATs and boost away your friends at our ces.com. 1394 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:12,330 You guys. Thank you so much. That's and you know, besides the 1395 01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:16,560 the financial support thank you for, for all the implementation 1396 01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:21,150 you've done and and for now you know the next step with with 1397 01:30:21,150 --> 01:30:25,080 Alby and again Everyone should listen to Alberto's interview on 1398 01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:26,910 this week's pod man. It's really good. 1399 01:30:27,810 --> 01:30:30,810 Yeah, and that's queued up. I guess I gotta listen to that 1400 01:30:30,810 --> 01:30:34,590 after this after the show. thing. Yeah, thank you guys. 1401 01:30:34,620 --> 01:30:37,980 Appreciate it for everything that y'all are doing. By 1402 01:30:37,980 --> 01:30:40,980 Buzzsprout $500 1403 01:30:41,490 --> 01:30:47,640 I'm gonna give them a ball or two blades on the Impala 1404 01:30:47,790 --> 01:30:51,000 interesting. I've always found that beautiful and fascinating 1405 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,480 to see the hosting industry of podcasting stepped to the play, 1406 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,310 and so appreciated. 1407 01:30:57,090 --> 01:30:59,370 I don't know if you listen to new media show. Of course you 1408 01:30:59,370 --> 01:31:01,620 listen to that to this to this week's episode. Yeah, 1409 01:31:01,620 --> 01:31:04,140 I started they have a new opening. I heard that they got a 1410 01:31:04,140 --> 01:31:06,300 new opening. Opening tune. 1411 01:31:06,330 --> 01:31:09,600 I heard that part. Sounded good. I thought I like it. 1412 01:31:09,630 --> 01:31:13,110 I like it. Much shorter. Yeah, let's just get straight to it. 1413 01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:16,050 Just good. Yeah, I was on I didn't it wasn't something I 1414 01:31:16,050 --> 01:31:16,560 should hear. 1415 01:31:17,010 --> 01:31:18,900 No, they were just talking about. 1416 01:31:20,130 --> 01:31:23,160 About us. Of course. Everyone's talking about us, Dave. It's 1417 01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,850 like we were the were the belle of the ball right now. Enjoy it 1418 01:31:26,850 --> 01:31:28,200 because it never lasts. 1419 01:31:28,710 --> 01:31:31,830 It doesn't last. We're gonna be we're gonna be the dog houses. 1420 01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:37,410 Oh, yeah. It's those guys suck. But they taught you know, Todd 1421 01:31:37,410 --> 01:31:41,640 instructed his his staff to go listen to our show. Oh, no. Oh, 1422 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,940 no. Yeah, he told me he's like, he's like, Y'all gotta go listen 1423 01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:47,040 to the show. He could get this is like, 1424 01:31:47,370 --> 01:31:51,060 it's not safe for work, Todd. People like hey, man, I'm 1425 01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:54,330 triggered by what I heard those guys talking about? I don't 1426 01:31:54,330 --> 01:31:56,070 know. Yes. HR problem. 1427 01:31:57,059 --> 01:32:02,459 And so he said, he said when once they they went listen to 1428 01:32:02,459 --> 01:32:05,279 the show, he said he asked him in the in a meeting, like, Okay, 1429 01:32:05,279 --> 01:32:07,499 what do you what are your thoughts about to show? And he 1430 01:32:07,499 --> 01:32:10,229 said, everyone on the first thing they said was, man is 1431 01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:10,859 long. 1432 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,120 Really? This is nothing? Really? 1433 01:32:15,150 --> 01:32:17,220 Would you quit? I mean, that's what she said. But you want 1434 01:32:17,790 --> 01:32:19,470 to say, 1435 01:32:20,610 --> 01:32:25,320 but then, but is the show too long. We tighten this thing up? 1436 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:34,470 No. I don't buy into that. You know, too long, too short. 1437 01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:40,410 Whatever. You hear. Okay. It's too long. Then do double speed. 1438 01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,450 Yeah, there you go. They get one and a half. 111 point. 5x. 1439 01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:49,680 Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's too long for busy developers, I 1440 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:50,100 guess. 1441 01:32:51,150 --> 01:32:58,590 Maybe so. Okay, fountain labs. $200. Nice. You're in his 1442 01:32:58,590 --> 01:32:59,460 friends. Thanks, 1443 01:32:59,490 --> 01:33:02,970 guys. Thank you very much, then not just giving SATs back to all 1444 01:33:02,970 --> 01:33:06,420 of their users. They're sending Fiat fun coupons to the project. 1445 01:33:06,570 --> 01:33:07,410 appreciate them. 1446 01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:13,170 Thank thank you guys. And John Spurlock came in with $100 this 1447 01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:14,190 week. Thank you, John. Thank 1448 01:33:14,190 --> 01:33:17,970 you, John. delivers code and treasure. 1449 01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,660 He says appreciate you guys pushing open podcasting forward 1450 01:33:21,660 --> 01:33:24,510 kicking and screaming. It's going to be an exciting year 1451 01:33:24,510 --> 01:33:26,340 ahead. See you all in Dallas next month. 1452 01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:27,540 Yeah, looking forward to it. 1453 01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:31,110 Yeah, looking forward to it. I can't wait to meet you. Thank 1454 01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:34,800 you for that. Appreciate that. And we've got some boosts now 1455 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:47,340 right boost. Boost go there reading George Orwell's 11111 1456 01:33:47,370 --> 01:33:49,980 through fountain and he says thanks for the value. You're 1457 01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:57,180 welcome. Thank you. Yeah. Get Auburn citadel. sent us. 49,490 1458 01:33:57,180 --> 01:33:59,790 is what he normally does. He says JCD boost 1459 01:33:59,820 --> 01:34:01,530 you gotta boost boost boost. 1460 01:34:04,530 --> 01:34:10,560 Be mozzie brand mozzie says oh, a gargantuan dinosaur says row 1461 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,790 of dogs. 222,222. Oh, 1462 01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:19,200 nice. Thank you. Excellent. 1463 01:34:19,620 --> 01:34:22,290 Through fountain and he says massive row of duct booths to 1464 01:34:22,290 --> 01:34:25,350 bring my total sets over the marker for a T shirt at the 1465 01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:26,070 current rates. 1466 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,280 apps you're in. You're in like Flynn. And thank you, everybody 1467 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,850 for hearing the call and appreciate it. It's really 1468 01:34:32,850 --> 01:34:36,090 appreciated. That we are we've moved away from PayPal, we were 1469 01:34:36,090 --> 01:34:40,560 pretty much exclusively PayPal in the beginning. And we moved 1470 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,540 over to to Satoshis and booster grams. And you're upping the 1471 01:34:45,540 --> 01:34:48,750 amounts to make it a little too evened it out and it's really 1472 01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:52,260 appreciated. It's very cool to see. I mean, this was one of the 1473 01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:56,460 things and like, will people be able to get out of the headspace 1474 01:34:56,460 --> 01:35:00,000 of I'm sending 1000 SATs, you know and it's not really quite 1475 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,060 We need to keep the server running. And people have and 1476 01:35:03,060 --> 01:35:06,300 that's also part of the devs. You know, putting Fiat amount in 1477 01:35:06,300 --> 01:35:09,330 there. And it's, it's just beautiful to see it working. 1478 01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:15,420 And I love to. I love how it shows that this is not just tip 1479 01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:21,240 money. This is real. These are real booths. I mean to 222 2222 1480 01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,720 I mean, what's the above 50? bucks? Or is that more than 1481 01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:25,230 that? 1482 01:35:26,190 --> 01:35:30,090 Isn't that? Isn't that 100 bucks? Is it? 100? No, 1483 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:30,900 I guess it is 100 1484 01:35:31,530 --> 01:35:38,520 is but what are we at now? 23. Yeah. Do to about 100 bucks. 1485 01:35:39,180 --> 01:35:41,490 Okay, well, that's I mean, that's, that's real. That's real 1486 01:35:41,490 --> 01:35:45,300 money. This is not this is not a toy. Well, also, 1487 01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,880 we don't ask for tips. This is what I've always said. You asked 1488 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,460 for tips, you're gonna get tips if you ask for support for 1489 01:35:50,460 --> 01:35:55,140 value, and you leave that open and whatever that value is, is 1490 01:35:55,140 --> 01:35:59,610 to be determined by the sender. This is what you get. Says it's 1491 01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:05,340 53 I'm sorry, it wasn't 100 bucks. $53.53. My mistake. He 1492 01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:06,960 says, Thanks, Dara. 1493 01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:10,770 Click requesting clarification on the SATs for T shirt 1494 01:36:10,770 --> 01:36:14,310 conversion long ago was pegged at 40k BTC. Recently, Adam 1495 01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:15,960 answered this question referencing the current price, 1496 01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,420 should it be weighted based on exchange? No, just you know, 1497 01:36:19,020 --> 01:36:22,950 it's roughly $125 worth of SATs, whatever that adds up to just do 1498 01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:26,010 your own accounting. It's fine. We're not we're not gonna get 1499 01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:26,250 all. 1500 01:36:27,330 --> 01:36:29,730 We're not gonna get too technical about that. 1501 01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:36,540 I get time for that. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate Tim Apple sent 1502 01:36:36,540 --> 01:36:40,380 us through fountains and as to 2222. And he says, after 1503 01:36:40,380 --> 01:36:42,870 listening to the talk with Chris about activity, pub, and apps 1504 01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:45,480 that provide comments and interaction. You guys forgot 1505 01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:49,050 about Casta pod, which is almost a mastodon instance. So true 1506 01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:49,710 podcast. That's 1507 01:36:49,710 --> 01:36:52,080 true. That's true. Did. 1508 01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:55,410 That's that's a shame. We absolutely forgot about cast. 1509 01:36:55,410 --> 01:37:00,000 But you know what, Ben, has not been pimping cast a pod very 1510 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,370 much and that? Well, no, they had to release 1511 01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:12,660 pimps. While he was he did that whole quiz thing. So here's what 1512 01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:16,410 it is. I know what it is. He's French. 1513 01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:21,000 Is that the end of the sentence? 1514 01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:28,050 Comma, semicolon? No, it's it's it's not a complaint. In fact, 1515 01:37:28,050 --> 01:37:34,440 it's a it is aspirational, inspirational, aspirational. The 1516 01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:39,120 French, like many Europeans, they take a vacation. And when 1517 01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:43,290 it comes to summer, they take six weeks, and they eff off. And 1518 01:37:43,290 --> 01:37:45,810 they go through a lot and they and they do their things. And 1519 01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:48,840 then you know, and now of course, this is the communist 1520 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:55,290 lifestyle. Which is incompatible with our capitalist pig agenda. 1521 01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:58,920 But that's what it felt like to me. It's like, oh, because I 1522 01:37:58,950 --> 01:38:01,740 know the Netherlands is the same way. It's summer, man. I'm not 1523 01:38:01,740 --> 01:38:04,410 gonna do too much and chill out a little bit. 1524 01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:07,350 You know, what else is the communist lifestyle? Ship 1525 01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:08,160 Breaking all the time? 1526 01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:12,120 What happened this week and Greg collars? Yes. 1527 01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:17,340 Yes, yes. Yes. Lots of bugs and things breaking this week. Now 1528 01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:24,270 you're okay. So, James Crillon. 1024 SATs at Killa boost? He 1529 01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,000 says to fountain he says looking forward to meet you both at 1530 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,850 Podcast Movement beers on me. All right, not literally. 1531 01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:33,060 Looking forward to it. 1532 01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:39,090 Yes, I'm here James. Yes, and bears are on yo yo hell Callay 1533 01:38:39,090 --> 01:38:42,510 bears and it's 50,000 SATs who found a nice a stacking SATs for 1534 01:38:42,510 --> 01:38:46,230 cool cats. Much love for the intergalactic boombox podcast. 1535 01:38:47,370 --> 01:38:54,900 Yes, thank you. 50k big ones. Thank you. Dr. Bronk sent 10 SAS 1536 01:38:54,900 --> 01:38:58,530 but he had a interesting message I thought I would read he says 1537 01:38:58,530 --> 01:39:01,980 Can the index plus V for V also work for books? 1538 01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:07,320 We don't we don't see why not. Yeah, exactly. Now, how many SAS 1539 01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:08,040 did he send? 1540 01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:10,290 10. whooshed 1541 01:39:12,630 --> 01:39:13,680 droopy boost. 1542 01:39:14,460 --> 01:39:19,290 Dr. Bronk. Yes it can work for books but I may want to update 1543 01:39:19,290 --> 01:39:20,160 set game there buddy. 1544 01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:23,550 If you want the full answer up your SATs 1545 01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:29,190 if you want to read the appendix bring in mere mortals podcast 1546 01:39:29,190 --> 01:39:35,340 22,222 SATs and through fountain he says Chris was so funny 1547 01:39:35,340 --> 01:39:38,580 you're building up to an awesome episode 100 Anything I can do to 1548 01:39:38,580 --> 01:39:39,660 help make it even better? 1549 01:39:41,370 --> 01:39:45,510 Yeah, you can boost boost boost just boost boost boost Yeah. 1550 01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:51,150 With that Chiron Chiron yes car. I love his value for value 1551 01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:55,320 podcast. It's Have you ever listened to that? I've 1552 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:56,910 not listened to it? No. 1553 01:39:57,210 --> 01:40:00,480 So he listens to value for value podcast and a value wage how 1554 01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:01,110 they do it. 1555 01:40:02,490 --> 01:40:05,460 That's a great that's a great service picks and shovels. 1556 01:40:05,490 --> 01:40:10,500 Yes. It's like a very very important podcast. 1557 01:40:12,330 --> 01:40:15,870 Man now feel bad for not listening yet. You know what 1558 01:40:15,870 --> 01:40:19,140 else makes me angry is I get my crontab set up with all my 1559 01:40:19,290 --> 01:40:21,300 weekly donations to various shows. 1560 01:40:21,809 --> 01:40:24,569 And your umbrellas. Yeah. 1561 01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:30,510 Okay, so sorry be mozzie be mozzie came in again with 10k 1562 01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:34,950 Nice. He says agree with the with the 10k Boost reading 1563 01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:38,280 limit. I thought we were doing 1,000k Yeah, but he thinks that 1564 01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,730 should be 10 How you doing booster Oh, okay. At tip at 1565 01:40:41,730 --> 01:40:46,620 today's rates 10k is less than $2.50. Where, whereas 1k is less 1566 01:40:46,620 --> 01:40:47,640 than 25 cents. 1567 01:40:47,940 --> 01:40:49,920 We are cheap. We are cheap horse. 1568 01:40:51,180 --> 01:40:58,260 I mean, I just read a 10 set you have much more respect for 1569 01:40:58,260 --> 01:41:02,550 yourself than I do. Brian. Oh, he did a follow up with the 5000 1570 01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:07,470 sat boosted father Maybe? Or maybe 5000 for $1 equivalent and 1571 01:41:07,470 --> 01:41:11,760 20k right that said lower is better to encourage adoption. 1572 01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:18,900 Cowboy Hat smiley face. Okay. True. Sir. lurks a lot sinners 1573 01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:23,430 2222 through fountain at CES. Pew pew pew. Here's your here's 1574 01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:28,350 your dopamine hit. Because V four v is dope. PS I'm a big fan 1575 01:41:28,350 --> 01:41:31,140 of Jupiter broadcasting. So glad you brought Chris on for a chat. 1576 01:41:31,530 --> 01:41:36,900 Pew pew mother bleep and pew and thanks for making. And thanks 1577 01:41:36,900 --> 01:41:39,780 for making the future of podcasting. Exciting. With all 1578 01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:41,460 the 2.0 work. Love it all. 1579 01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:44,760 No. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, man. 1580 01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:50,220 4242 from from pirate huddle. Through Felton. He says I'd like 1581 01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:57,390 to pre reserve pimp 69 I gotta take on more sass. 1582 01:41:57,420 --> 01:42:00,510 Yeah, I don't think you can just yeah, you got to do some good 1583 01:42:00,510 --> 01:42:01,320 numerology 1584 01:42:01,890 --> 01:42:08,190 Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a way nice attempt but weak. Pa pocket 1585 01:42:08,190 --> 01:42:15,840 parley. sounds dirty? They say 500 says he says how do you guys 1586 01:42:15,870 --> 01:42:19,770 get your boost across all the apps THANK YOU GUYS ARE thanks 1587 01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:22,890 you guys are great. I'm not sure what it means. 1588 01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,580 Well, it was this from fountain Yeah, so a lot of people think 1589 01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:27,990 that this only works on fountain 1590 01:42:29,310 --> 01:42:33,390 Oh, okay. No, it works in lots of places pod friend cast 1591 01:42:33,390 --> 01:42:35,940 thematic polyurea caster 1592 01:42:35,940 --> 01:42:36,720 pod verse 1593 01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:40,590 caster. Yeah, Breeze. Breeze. Yeah, it's 1594 01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:45,990 a universal system. So it works everywhere. LB hope Yes. Hope 1595 01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:47,070 that answers your question 1596 01:42:47,610 --> 01:42:53,370 is 3333 says from Salvador syntax through fountain Nene 1597 01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:57,390 says don't get on Tik Tok. Again, think that was a 1598 01:42:57,390 --> 01:43:01,440 chastisement of me probably. I've never been on Tiktok just 1599 01:43:01,470 --> 01:43:07,110 just to be clear, never in my life. 50,000 SATs from user 1600 01:43:07,110 --> 01:43:15,300 360539555413. From that is the user also known as Todd Cochran. 1601 01:43:15,300 --> 01:43:18,540 He says Todd Cochran here, gents, every show you guys put 1602 01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:21,510 my brain to work. I'm always trying to think as a creator 1603 01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:24,720 first. And as we educate creators on podcasting 2.0, they 1604 01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,270 will drive adoption as they will drive companies like mine to 1605 01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:30,060 adopt more integration. I'm committed to a faster 1606 01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:33,030 integration in our PowerPress plugin in our platform as a 1607 01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:36,450 whole big news in about a month or so. And something we have 1608 01:43:36,450 --> 01:43:40,050 cooking. Also, any dev wanting to submit code for podcast? 2.0 1609 01:43:40,050 --> 01:43:44,160 To PowerPress? drop me an email at todd@blueberry.com. Oh, 1610 01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,100 that's cool. Great note right now from Todd. Thank you, Todd. 1611 01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:47,370 Tina 1612 01:43:47,370 --> 01:43:48,570 has a message for you, Todd. 1613 01:43:54,330 --> 01:43:57,630 By the way, that that notion, I'm not saying this is what 1614 01:43:57,630 --> 01:44:02,190 he's, I'm not saying that this is what he is saying. But, but I 1615 01:44:02,190 --> 01:44:04,620 was thinking it's just on my mind, because I was thinking 1616 01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:11,490 about this yesterday. The idea that we need to wait until our 1617 01:44:11,490 --> 01:44:14,160 customer says they want it before we do it. And again, I'm 1618 01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,680 not saying that's what he's saying. But it can be 1619 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,220 interpreted that way. Yes, there are some of those things. I 1620 01:44:20,220 --> 01:44:24,270 mean, like you can say, Okay, well, because, you know, and I 1621 01:44:24,270 --> 01:44:26,790 speak from experience on this because I mean, in my day job, 1622 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,310 I'm responsible for a lot of things that end up being 1623 01:44:29,310 --> 01:44:34,830 customer facing. You can wait for your customer to say it to 1624 01:44:34,830 --> 01:44:39,660 tell you they want it. And that is an important part of of the 1625 01:44:39,660 --> 01:44:43,260 innovation of doing things for your customers and keeping them 1626 01:44:43,260 --> 01:44:47,160 satisfied and happy customers. But there's also another aspect 1627 01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,970 of sometimes you know, that they don't know that they want a 1628 01:44:50,970 --> 01:44:54,300 thing. So you yes, and yes, 1629 01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:57,450 Steve Jobs. Do you know what I mean? Of course, 1630 01:44:58,290 --> 01:45:01,470 that's true. I mean, it's like I I can see that they would want 1631 01:45:01,470 --> 01:45:04,680 this thing if they if they had it if it existed, but they don't 1632 01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,060 know to want it. 1633 01:45:06,210 --> 01:45:11,040 What? Okay, so going back to what we were talking about the 1634 01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,760 beginning of this very long episode. I'm just thinking of 1635 01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:23,460 the blueberry Deb's is workers we have we have competition. And 1636 01:45:23,460 --> 01:45:27,720 that's that is I'm telling I can see it. I'm my eyes are wide 1637 01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,230 open, we have competition in the hosting space. And everybody's 1638 01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:35,070 gotten a little a little a little jiggle. And like, Oh, 1639 01:45:35,070 --> 01:45:40,290 hey, let's do some stuff. And so now it's it's partially based on 1640 01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:43,830 what are other person's customers wanting or doing or 1641 01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:46,890 what are they providing for them. So now we're off to the 1642 01:45:46,890 --> 01:45:50,340 races. This is fantastic. And of course, what will happen is the 1643 01:45:50,340 --> 01:45:53,190 most requested features will be the ones that get implemented 1644 01:45:53,190 --> 01:45:56,700 first. And I think we'll see very quickly where things fall 1645 01:45:56,700 --> 01:46:00,570 out and what is completely, you know, just that has no adoption, 1646 01:46:00,570 --> 01:46:05,130 but the competition and I mean, that friendly, because everyone 1647 01:46:05,130 --> 01:46:07,890 competes one way or the other, but now we have a development 1648 01:46:07,890 --> 01:46:12,510 competition, or competitive. Everyone's looking at each 1649 01:46:12,510 --> 01:46:15,240 other. And this is good. This is very, very healthy. This is the 1650 01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:16,500 opposite of France. 1651 01:46:18,900 --> 01:46:21,210 Just kidding. It's the communist lifestyle. 1652 01:46:21,509 --> 01:46:24,929 I'm just kidding. Yeah, so and that's why people are busting 1653 01:46:24,929 --> 01:46:27,059 ass in the middle of the summer in America. It's like hey, well, 1654 01:46:27,059 --> 01:46:29,039 you gotta go build some new stuff. 1655 01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:36,510 Yeah. See dubs 1010 says he says please change boost bought to 1656 01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:42,750 wait please change boost dash I cannot read please change boost 1657 01:46:42,780 --> 01:46:46,170 space bought to boost bought one word in the split. 1658 01:46:46,710 --> 01:46:50,790 Oh gee. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't know anyone will get 1659 01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:51,360 angry. 1660 01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:55,590 This se doesn't have to be the creator of booze bought me take 1661 01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:55,650 a 1662 01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:58,530 look. I'll do it right now. Oh, that's what does it have to be 1663 01:46:58,530 --> 01:47:00,000 boost. One word boost 1664 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,620 but one word and take space out. 1665 01:47:01,769 --> 01:47:04,409 Okay. Consider a done. 1666 01:47:04,860 --> 01:47:09,090 Marcel sent us 3000 SATs through fountain he says Chris and me. 1667 01:47:09,090 --> 01:47:11,490 Thanks for the show. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you 1668 01:47:11,490 --> 01:47:15,060 Chris for standing up with Chris last week. Yeah. Mike Dell, 1669 01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:19,830 another blueberry longtime or he's sent us through fountain he 1670 01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:23,370 sent us 1011 SAS he says I think I figured out how to send boosts 1671 01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,160 Did you share dead ends as my 1672 01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:34,890 boost asset SLC SLC I guess that's how you say that since 1673 01:47:34,890 --> 01:47:38,160 2000 Sask in the messages. Pew 1674 01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,210 and pew back to you. 1675 01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,350 Mike Delson, another boost he's now he's getting he's got a 1676 01:47:46,350 --> 01:47:47,490 fever now Yeah, 1677 01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,450 once you It's like eating Oreos. You can't stop until you suck 1678 01:47:51,450 --> 01:47:53,160 down the whole sleeve All right. 1679 01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:57,390 Like you call it a sleeve that's a pretty good I learned that 1680 01:47:57,390 --> 01:48:00,420 from Tina from my wife. She's like, Hey man, you want a sleeve 1681 01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:04,170 of Oreos? Like what? This was back when we were first dating 1682 01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:07,320 and you know she would still smoke weed with me that ended up 1683 01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:09,870 in the marriage. You know, it's like okay, now you go over 1684 01:48:09,870 --> 01:48:15,840 there. Here's your garden Yes, right. 1685 01:48:16,650 --> 01:48:21,210 Exactly. Mike Dell 2222 through family says thanks for the help 1686 01:48:21,210 --> 01:48:24,900 with the V four v on auto hist auto History podcast. You're 1687 01:48:24,900 --> 01:48:32,040 welcome Mike. Oh 4000 SATs from SC OTT also known as Scott a new 1688 01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:37,230 found in he says H as h as well on the show evidence supported 1689 01:48:37,230 --> 01:48:39,000 in a while so I have 1690 01:48:40,110 --> 01:48:44,370 Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 1691 01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:50,100 SCO TT again 2000 Sassy says sorry about my last Miss message 1692 01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:55,980 speech to text was on I thought I corrected before it was posted 1693 01:48:56,250 --> 01:49:01,200 I think the epitome of where we are in a technological landscape 1694 01:49:01,590 --> 01:49:04,560 is when you are sending a booster Graham through text to 1695 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,700 speech that's or speech to text I should say 1696 01:49:08,970 --> 01:49:11,670 it that is I'll just stand back and appreciate yeah this is 1697 01:49:11,670 --> 01:49:14,310 really showed for a moment so you just driving in the car 1698 01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:17,400 you're like I'm gonna send these dudes message with some money a 1699 01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:22,950 just talk into your phone and it goes I mean come on. Magic 1700 01:49:23,580 --> 01:49:30,240 22 to 22 through from blueberry 22 to 23 found and he says oh my 1701 01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:35,430 goodness. Peter is a ptr is a confirmed known oh you use it? 1702 01:49:35,460 --> 01:49:36,690 This is you read this. This 1703 01:49:36,690 --> 01:49:40,830 is the one we read. Yeah. Yeah, so we're the only one we're 1704 01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:42,180 missing is the delimiter 1705 01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:44,970 No, no, no, we got more than that. 1706 01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:48,210 Interesting, maybe that was a duplicate because that 1707 01:49:49,230 --> 01:49:56,580 okay, light Lyceum sent us 12,340 faststats. He says could 1708 01:49:56,580 --> 01:49:59,160 this be an appropriate symbolic number of Satoshis for your 1709 01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:02,700 work? My wallet is soon empty so I have to generate an invoice 1710 01:50:02,700 --> 01:50:06,420 and fund the wallet. But it didn't work at the moment. Dave, 1711 01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:09,180 thanks for keeping the database in shape. Adam, how's it going 1712 01:50:09,180 --> 01:50:12,180 with the manifesto? Oh, you can create a reference to the 1713 01:50:12,180 --> 01:50:15,870 booster gram numerology page on GitHub. Martin, Linda Skog 1714 01:50:15,870 --> 01:50:20,040 Lyceum on podcast index dial Most definitely. Of course 1715 01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:21,210 manifesto is coming last 1716 01:50:21,210 --> 01:50:24,300 even a but the question is, has he been able to put the row of 1717 01:50:24,300 --> 01:50:27,720 ducks? Was he doing a an update to the page and he crashed it. 1718 01:50:28,980 --> 01:50:32,880 So going on with that page was going to debate? Yeah, the 1719 01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,400 booths page. All right. Yes, of course. 1720 01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:43,680 Okay, here we go. 206,677 SATs. Oh, from Brian of London in the 1721 01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:49,200 hive Dao da Yes. Yep. Through the V four V app, he says Brian 1722 01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:51,000 is back with a $50 boost. 1723 01:50:51,269 --> 01:50:52,799 I'm gonna give him a podcast. 1724 01:50:56,100 --> 01:51:01,140 Thank you, Brian. He's finished. He's finished. You know, geo 1725 01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:05,400 landing all over the all over the globe, I guess, in his 1726 01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:05,940 yacht. 1727 01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,640 Yeah. So he's done. He's back home now. Finally. 1728 01:51:09,179 --> 01:51:12,359 I guess so he was I mean, he's posting pictures of Monaco and 1729 01:51:12,359 --> 01:51:13,019 all this kind of stuff. I 1730 01:51:13,019 --> 01:51:16,349 mean, do you get do you get the feeling that this is really his 1731 01:51:16,349 --> 01:51:19,739 family's yacht? And he's just pretending like Nah, I'm just 1732 01:51:19,739 --> 01:51:23,009 doing this thing. But he's like, he's probably like come in you 1733 01:51:23,009 --> 01:51:25,739 know this from huge wealthy Israeli family. 1734 01:51:26,610 --> 01:51:31,590 He's He's the equivalent of of that woman from Seinfeld. The as 1735 01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,140 this like, oh, yeah, an actress but she's really like a 1736 01:51:34,140 --> 01:51:35,040 multimillionaire. 1737 01:51:35,070 --> 01:51:36,780 Yeah, she's an heiress 1738 01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:40,800 to the is like a coal or oil fortune or something like that. 1739 01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,070 What's her name again? Now of course I can only think of her 1740 01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:48,510 name is Elaine. Yeah, she was. Julia Louis Dreyfus. Yeah. 1741 01:51:48,510 --> 01:51:54,090 Julia. Julia Louie Dreyfus. Oh, now. Her family's humongously 1742 01:51:54,090 --> 01:52:04,110 rich from I think farms dealing. Now, are you serious? No. No, 1743 01:52:04,110 --> 01:52:10,140 but it's probably it's probably no good. Have food processor. 1744 01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:16,170 There you go. They make your shit food. You. Yes. The Louie 1745 01:52:16,170 --> 01:52:21,750 has the Louis Dreyfus group. They are ocean vessels. Yeah, 1746 01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:26,160 yeah. Now they own Cargill. Believe me. These people are no 1747 01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:26,640 good. 1748 01:52:27,090 --> 01:52:31,800 They own Cargill. Yeah. Holy crap. Well, that bright bronze 1749 01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:35,100 thing he's facing. He's facing poverty. Now. He's really a 1750 01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:35,940 multimillionaire. He 1751 01:52:35,940 --> 01:52:42,210 is obviously. Last limiter on the fame. Brian of London. He's 1752 01:52:42,210 --> 01:52:44,760 the heir to a hummus. Fortune. 1753 01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:52,770 Yes, yes. comes through blogger 15,033 SAS through fountain and 1754 01:52:52,770 --> 01:52:56,340 he says, How do you a Adam and Dave please with vodka on top. 1755 01:52:56,430 --> 01:52:59,880 Invite your listeners to the podcast a boot. He's now 1756 01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:04,800 Canadian. A boot AI narrated by silky voice of Gregory William 1757 01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,550 Forsythe Forman from can't just type in your web browser or any 1758 01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:14,520 podcast app. Ai dot cooking. Singularity is Near yo. 1759 01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:20,640 We sure hope not yo back at you. Any singularity near 1760 01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:24,090 with the funky software problems going on? Singularity may be 1761 01:53:24,090 --> 01:53:28,290 near. That's it. We got some monthlies, though. Let's see. We 1762 01:53:28,290 --> 01:53:32,520 got Jordan Dunnville $10 pod news. $50. 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We got obviously, 1780 01:54:40,410 --> 01:54:43,590 obviously, we had a lot of important things to bitch about 1781 01:54:43,590 --> 01:54:47,670 like oh shit, not working, which is always important. At the end 1782 01:54:47,670 --> 01:54:49,380 of the week for us to people 1783 01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:53,700 we get I got more stuff I want to talk about next. I mean, I'll 1784 01:54:53,700 --> 01:54:55,650 just push it to next week because it's probably needs big 1785 01:54:55,650 --> 01:54:59,970 discussion, but I want to bring back I want to consider polls. 1786 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,200 In the namespace, 1787 01:55:01,650 --> 01:55:07,050 just to fuck with Spotify? Yes. I'm really not on board with 1788 01:55:07,050 --> 01:55:08,400 this. Really? 1789 01:55:09,179 --> 01:55:12,809 No. I mean, it's not just for that reason, but I mean, I 1790 01:55:12,809 --> 01:55:21,419 mocked polls and marked it. But now I'm really maybe useful. I 1791 01:55:21,419 --> 01:55:23,849 don't care about the polls themselves. I'm thinking the 1792 01:55:23,849 --> 01:55:25,679 technology of it may be useful. 1793 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:29,790 Okay. So the typical, let's make some cool technology that no one 1794 01:55:29,790 --> 01:55:34,230 needs. Yes. Well, I would like to do polling, but more like 1795 01:55:34,230 --> 01:55:42,450 voting. If you if you do it with SATs, that work that I like. But 1796 01:55:42,450 --> 01:55:47,250 what was your going too deep into it? What? I mean, does 1797 01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:51,210 anyone on the podcast? Does anyone really want polling? I 1798 01:55:51,210 --> 01:55:54,300 mean, you're you're excited about the idea. So I'm intrigued 1799 01:55:54,330 --> 01:55:56,580 by why you're excited about the technology. 1800 01:55:57,930 --> 01:56:04,680 I was thinking hackathon. And that would get a screw it, let's 1801 01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:13,470 do it. The the hackathon needs a way to vote. And so I was 1802 01:56:13,470 --> 01:56:18,780 thinking, if you have I was trying to figure out how to make 1803 01:56:18,780 --> 01:56:22,620 that happen. And if and I'm like, okay, all, not all the 1804 01:56:22,620 --> 01:56:28,950 podcast 2.0 app support episode level splits yet. So what we 1805 01:56:28,950 --> 01:56:34,620 could do is create a new podcast, a dummy podcast, so to 1806 01:56:34,620 --> 01:56:42,390 speak, have everybody boost that podcast? In in a in some sort of 1807 01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:44,460 voting mechanism. And I started getting into this all this 1808 01:56:44,460 --> 01:56:47,790 complexity, and I'm like, Well, what if we just put a poll or 1809 01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:50,430 voting thing in? Webpage create the tag? 1810 01:56:50,460 --> 01:56:54,030 Okay. Let's, let's keep it there. Let's stop there. Because 1811 01:56:54,030 --> 01:56:56,730 the one important thing we need to do first is actually figure 1812 01:56:56,730 --> 01:57:00,810 out how we do the hackathon. True, which seems to be just an 1813 01:57:00,810 --> 01:57:05,280 idea, oh, is anyone going to jump up and take this hackathon 1814 01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,430 by the horns and shepherded and lead it and coordinated? 1815 01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:12,960 I'm hoping if I keep talking about it, somebody will do it. 1816 01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,040 Eventually, somebody will. This is something that someone could 1817 01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,220 participate in. I mean, it's, there's excitement for it. We 1818 01:57:20,220 --> 01:57:23,850 all want to do it. Nobody has time to organize it. Maybe 1819 01:57:23,850 --> 01:57:28,830 there's someone is a part of the overall podcasting 2.0 community 1820 01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:31,110 who would be interested in picking that up and running with 1821 01:57:31,110 --> 01:57:32,490 it? How about that? 1822 01:57:33,150 --> 01:57:36,660 Yeah, let's do this. I'm going to talk about hackathon and the 1823 01:57:36,660 --> 01:57:42,810 pimp system until some until people do it. I'm going to shame 1824 01:57:42,810 --> 01:57:43,050 them. 1825 01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:49,110 All right. I think the COVID has me now. Ready to end the show. 1826 01:57:49,140 --> 01:57:50,940 I'm tired. You're about Yeah, 1827 01:57:50,940 --> 01:57:52,020 I can hear it. I've 1828 01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:55,290 lost. Like okay, that was it. That's the energy you got for me 1829 01:57:55,290 --> 01:57:58,260 for today. Dave Have a great weekend. My brother. Yeah, man. 1830 01:57:58,290 --> 01:58:00,720 Yeah, man can't wait to talk to you everybody else. Everyone 1831 01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,260 listening live and in the chat room. Thank you very much. And 1832 01:58:04,260 --> 01:58:08,130 thank you for supporting and being a part of podcasting. 2.0 1833 01:58:08,130 --> 01:58:11,100 we come back next Friday with another board meeting, a 1834 01:58:11,100 --> 01:58:12,900 podcasting 2.0. 1835 01:58:28,770 --> 01:58:33,330 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1836 01:58:33,330 --> 01:58:38,280 index.org For more information, podcast. Here we go. How long is 1837 01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:39,240 this gonna take?