359 | Hear it here first, The Sisters J NEW SONG ”Clearly”!

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The following Welcome to positive talk radio. Our goal is simple to explore evolving ideas, one conversation at a time. So stay with us. And right now we present do positive talk, everybody, I'm so excited, we've got a full house again. And I'm really looking forward to talking to everybody again because sisters j is with us. Those are the two beautiful ladies that are there on your right of your screen. And Hi guys, how you doing and Mary's here and then the thorns here and Ted's here. And they the entire entourage of folks that are doing some really cool stuff with the voices and writing the music and producing it. And all of that that you guys are doing. And we've you've been on the show before. And we're going to play both of your songs today if you don't mind one as the video and the other one as the audio, the new one which is just out. And by the way, Mary I you get to say hello. And then then my doctor says that you can't say anymore. Okay. Poor thing, and she's such a trooper to because she still shows up to do to do this. And I really appreciate it. Sisters j is who we're talking about. And that is the two young ladies that are that are actually sisters. By the way, which one to use the older one. The how much older are you?

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Three and a half years?

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Oh, very good. I think it's really cool. And it's a it's a statement to to marry the mom, and also the podcaster. Also the author. And one of these days, we're going to have to do just when you can talk again, just a conversation between you and I about all the things that you do. Because I think that would be that would be just awesome. But so I think it's a state it's a statement to mom that you guys actually get along my sons are three years apart. And and not so much. Not so much, I'm afraid but and then Ted he is a he's here. He's the master producer. He's met more people he can name drop more people in five minutes and I've ever met anybody do so. He's worked with Whitney Houston. He's worked with the Bob Dylan and, and a whole bunch of characters and welcome to the show. Ted, how are you? Thank you.

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Well, I just updated, redid my bio. So I'm name dropping sisters, J. Thornton, Billy Gaines, um, you know, putting in a new name. So that's cool. It's great to be able to bring that and plus these guys their record is doing so well. So I'm so proud of that. That's like happening right now. So

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these guys are going to be something special. As as they get going, and then they put more work into it. They're going to be something special ed and Thornton Welcome to the show. How are you today? Sir?

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Your show always glad to

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know you gotta leave a little early to go and then then I'll have just Ted and the girls that I can talk to that'll be fun to do. Because you guys are really some now would you like to play now that when did the When did clearly come out when when did it as they say drop?

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October 19 on the radio worldwide, November 2 distribution on streaming where you everywhere you can buy it. And if

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they want to go to Spotify or Pandora or any of those places or or Apple they can download it, don't stream it, please download it pay for it. They deserve to get paid for it.

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Right and it's on tick tock so we've already made a video with it on tick tock. Both songs are on tick tock if you want to use it for their background music.

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Oh, really? That's that's really cool. Would you like to set it up? Guys and, and Ted, what is clearly about how did it come to be?

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Well, Elizabeth wrote it so she should probably speak on that she would know. It's I just love the thought and the concept of things being clearly clear like that, but she should speak on what she was meaning when she wrote those words.

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Now the last time the first time that we talked Elizabeth, you were in the process of writing that song. And so I this was back in July I believe so it's completed it's done. And it says total what what was you Your thoughts behind the song.

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So this song clearly, I think I was talking about another song that I had been writing, like the last time that we wrote last time we spoke, because clearly I wrote when I was 16. So that was eight years ago. I'll tell you rage. I've been teaching all day, the brain is not there anymore. But I wrote it when I was 16 when I had just like, experienced love, teenage love for the first time. And you know, you see the world differently. You, you see things differently, you feel things differently. And so it's saying, like, I really have a lot of feelings for you. And like, the first line is the way you look at me is something I've never seen before. So it's like, whoa, and just the eyes are like a big thing. For me specifically, it's one of the first things I noticed about somebody. And the way that someone looks at me something in the way I look at them is very intimate to me. And so that's what I wanted to kind of put into the song and like seeing the world clearly. And seeing that person more clearly, is what the song was about, too. And it's supposed to be a feel good, like, wholesome song.

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Even though it's really not fair that you can have such talent at 16 years old.

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I want to tell you something so cute. When I was looking through stuff to make the do that video, I found a video of her it's 16. And she, she we take this for Thorton it was so sweet. So little 16 Elizabeth, she's like 14, I'm working on the song I want you to hear and it goes like this. And as I have the original recording before she even finished it is just so precious. And that was for Thorton because she wanted to share it with

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him. Oh, that is that's really cool. And by the way, speaking of Thornton, you you're busy doing all kinds of stuff. And you've got a bunch of songs and a bunch of things that have done really, really well. Do you want to name drop anything?

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Well, I mean, I'm honored to be a part of this exceptional team here the all the you know, it's amazing team, the sister Shay and, and Ted, Theo Perlman and all and Mary. I. Well, I mean, we have a song out right now that's also an additional, it's on the charts. It's been actually Ted was the one that Theo said something like, he hadn't had two songs in the top 10 I believe he told me that or something posted. And so we have two songs in the top 10 right now and Euro charts, we have a song of Billy Gaines called World of hope. And it hit number one, and it dropped to two. And then we had and the sisters J is the I think it did not attend on your charts. So so that that's quite amazing for two songs on client records. Produced by Theo, you know, in the top 10 We that's pretty amazing.

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It's awesome, that they're gonna meet in the middle. Yeah. And it's cool when they're right next to each other. It's

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gonna be awesome. So that doesn't happen very often, does

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it? No, no, it's very, it's very, it's really, I mean, you can ask Theo, he would know more. He's been doing it for a long time and lots of great artists. Right. So,

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I mean, just having to, you know, unless you're somebody like Drake, who at one time had like, 50 of the top 100 That, you know, but you know, just for the rest of us normal people. It's pretty exciting to have that happen. So I was really proud and I just was happy that it will work for clientele Americans.

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And hopefully this will be nominated next year, hopefully. Grammy, Grammy.

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Yep. Amen. Amen. I nominated. Open win when? So I nominated there, but the ones that came out, but I did have I do have one record that's going that made it past the first round.

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Yeah. Yeah, the Manhattan transfer record got through. So it's in the jazz category, but it's like, I don't care. And I'll take it. You know, so that was the cool. we nominate Billy games as first record. And so next year, hopefully, clearly, and hopefully world of hope. Get in there. And we just, you know, it's so it's such a hard thing to get to. There's so much politics and money involved. The big record labels really spend a lot of money to get their stuff on Manhattan transfers on like a big major record like Concord. So it's the label spend the kind of money if you're an independent, it's much harder to get past the first round to the next round. It's not like they listened to say that song is great. It's not based on the quality of the record, right like that. is based on that. much money's kind of like the Oscars, where the studio's spend a lot of money to promote their films. So great films don't always get an Oscar.

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I wonder what would happen if Grammys changed the rules and and decided to just go with no promotion just voted strictly on

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what they want. Yeah. So then you get into who's deciding what's good, you know, who's listening and stuff so they

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can say, I wonder, I wonder what would happen if that that did, you know, the rules are changing,

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then we have an equal shot, which should be great, you know, so I'm claiming that by this time next year, I'm gonna have enough money to spend a million bucks to make sure that clearly gets pushed through to the next round. So thank you, Jesus. Amen.

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You know, Ted, you just don't strike me as a tuxedo type of guy. So do you have one my should do. Oh, very nice. Very nice. In the

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store, and I haven't bought it yet, but I know. I know which one I'm gonna get

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keeps doing window shopping, window shopping.

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No, or else I'll be like Giambattista and I'll go get some my grandmother's old clothes and put on Steve Lacey Steve Lacey is nominated. And Steve Lacey is motive dresses different. So I don't I don't think tuxedo in the traditional sense is a part of it anymore. It's kind of like the VMAs where everybody's just as wild as they want to be the old days of straight tuxedos, I think they pretty much gone

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well, so you can be as creative as you want. Have you had the opportunity to walk down the red carpet yet?

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I've done red carpets before on the American Music Awards, and things but not the Grammys even the Grammy that one previously. Only the artist gets to go in that not everybody else so there's so many people in categories so the artists gets to go up you know, but but I've done red carpets for Whitney Houston debut movies about her I've done red carpets for said the American Music Awards. A couple of TV shows and stuff. It's great. It's great. You get to walk in there and you know, but you know, you're walking behind people. You never want to walk behind some hot actors or something like that, because I don't care how well you're dressed. It's like you're there. Thank you so much as soon as the actress is like behind you all the cameras. But these girls would look awesome. I mean, they're just beautiful and that they're going to put the doo doo doo with a ding ding ding on it something like that to do the Red Cross off

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but doo doo doo and the Dane Dane de Is there a song in there somewhere

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yeah and beaten fights on the face and you know, the wolf air whip and all that stuff beaten fights. Yeah. Yes,

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you guys would look sensational in the insole gowns that and walking down the red carpet. And as a matter of fact that yesterday interviewed a couple of gals that do the interviews for the red carpet for a lot of different so they've interviewed like Carol Burnett and Danny DeVito and a whole whole bunch of folks so you would fit you would fit right in

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that would be like

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awesome

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so without further ado Shall we shall we play this song so that people can get a good sense of it and then we'll come back and talk about it some more and then we'll say goodbye to Mary and to empathy Martin and then we'll continue on for a little bit then play the video. I love the video by the way and you guys did such a good job with that so so let's you guys want to play the song? Absolutely. Yes. Okay, and this is destined to be number one in Europe and number one in the United States.

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Yes, that's where we're going we need your help and we'll all be dancing just so you know.

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Exactly. And the name of the song is called clearly and this is sisters j

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is all on

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this catch me

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sparks like you wouldn't vote.

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New spin

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can wipe my face hard some catch up because you Time is mine?

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To yourself your true

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because a you've turned my world upside down my eyes to see nice smile like no because you every time you hand me smile I see

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got someone else this past year

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of Cantor erase you from my mind

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you've helped me to see a little more clear

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and that is sisters J gotta ask you to where the wind saw when you heard the song in its final form to this surprise you with how good it is? Or are you guys you've been singing so long together? That it was like oh, yeah, okay, that's that's pretty cool.

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No, I mean, it was surprising because it was like, it was the same melody in the same like foundations that we had used or that we originally wrote since the beginning, but then like, putting it all together with what Ted made. And then when when we added in some extra things and Ted was like no do this at this at this. It was like, Whoa, that's really cool. I

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was like, alright, well again, I want you to whistle again. What's cool, every system is gonna be in every song. No. Every record.

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Trademark isn't your signature.

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Globally signatures or whistle? Yeah. You didn't

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do a cover of Barry Manilow can't smile without you with record by numb. That's the what's the I mean, what's the so DJ Kelly's got whistling. So you know, it's cool. So we're at the forefront of the whistling revolution. First thing

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I have to say Kevin that it's you know, the reviews that have been written a talk about how the girls are really not trying to be like anybody else. They're not Nashville cliche. They're, they're, they're they have done their own sound. And they're making their own mark in the pop world with their music and that they are helping to shape the future of what pop music's going to look like. So I mean to hear those words said about like my kids, you know, let alone it's a smooth it's like Whoa, it's amazing. You don't

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have to go to have to go to my class now. So sorry.

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You have to budget teach, okay, by

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the way, Thornton. You dress up real nice.

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Thank you. This is not how I usually dress y'all can ask you can ask Theo and Korean Lilly.

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Every time I see Gordon to play touch football. He's wearing that tie

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this specific time, I just sort of have to play I play the professor role here a little bit.

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Pretty is great though. You should call yourself Thorton the professor Klein you should add it

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well I'm actually having this is the piano lab here just wanted this is a piano lab here where we have class piano

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teachers to teachers here so that's pretty cool. Indeed.

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I wish I could stay longer everyday. Thank you so much for having me on and I hope to be able to be on the next event.

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I hope so too and NW so

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yeah, Gordon clientele records is Thornton, which is pretty cool. So without, you know, without the record label, nobody ever hears this stuff. So the record label Barry Gordy and Clive Davis and you know Fortin Klein, these people are the really the ones that get the music out there. So Thornton being not only a songwriter, musician, but the record label. We're grateful to him on that on to the first he's the CO writer on the first song open when so you know, he's he's wearing many hats, and many ties to this.

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Thank you so much for being here. And one of these days, we're just going to have to, I really need to just have each of you in turn, do an interview. And and in the play, because there's so much that we don't know yet that I need to know about you.

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Well, it's an honor to be on the show. Thank you so much. And yeah,

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it's good to see you.

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Good. Yeah, definitely. And take care of yourself. And the kids that you're about to teach are going for a very lucky moment. That's exciting. So take care yourself and, and Mary, before you go real quick. Tell us about the youngest. And you've got to go because you got to take him to a play that He's rehearsing for that opens up this weekend. Talk about that just a little bit before you go.

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No, no Lily, so excited. She's gonna be working backstage all weekend and the show production I think has 14 I know. I know what those are so bad, too. So there's a woman named Susan Kandra. She's an author, she wrote a book called 77 letters, I'm gonna plug for her you gotta go get check it out. It's a true story. And it's been written, it's been adapted to the stage for a play. And it's about her mother who was a Vietnam War nurse, and her relationship and friendship. She had written letters to soldiers over in Vietnam. And so it's a story about that and trying to cheer up the soldiers you know, during their, their stay in Vietnam so we can an insight in the play into what their life was like over there. But it's about the relationship with one particular soldier that she has and they have 77 letters, they wrote back and forth each other during that period of time. And he actually even came to visit her and Carson is playing one of the children in the production so tomorrow is making its world debut. And I say that because they are planning to take it and travel with it across the US and outside the country to other countries.

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Is it gonna get to the you're thinking of going to Broadway?

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I would hope so. I really do. And we can say our art I can say my son was part of the original cast, which is kind of cute, but no, I do hope it goes to Broadway. We are any veterans that are coming to the show. The show is free for them and their families and on Carson School. We had a We have the kids write letters to the veterans. So they're getting, they're making these swag bags for the veterans that come to the show. So each of them will have a letter from a child, which is really kind of sweet.

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That's really that's really cool. So, so congratulate him for us, would you?

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I will send you a picture of him in action.

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I'm not happy because he's taking you away from his musical career. You know, this is just distraction. You know, Dr. Edge is like my mini me. You know, I'm trying to raise him in the musical world, you know, even though I'm not his parent. I'm just trying to be like super uncle and something whatever. Doctor He thinks we have to play Have you sent him the promo

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I have to send you that I have just sent you the TIC tock I made with Carson on the drums.

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Loves it to see it. That is like it's great. It's not just good as Carsten comes out there and is Dr. Edge outfit with the drumsticks and, you know, light up and everything like that. It's my sister's, you got to have my sister song. And he plays along with the song. I mean, it's way cooler than talking to me. I mean, that's, that's, that'll sell the song easily, is great. And he's just the family is so talented. I mean, all three of them, five of them, just this amazing family. And each one of them was so talented in their own right. And they're just really special. And you know, so I felt even the dog. And the dog in the Great Mother, or grandmother Freda is an amazing woman. And it's like, you know, it's like this God has blessed each member of this family, and they're just unique individuals. So it's just wonderful to be a part somehow, you know, in part of the music or whatever, but that little kid there, that's like, you know, little Michael Jackson coming up. So watch out for him. When Venus Williams came out, and she was like, Well, yeah, I'm really good. But you gotta check out my little sister. So they're great. They gotta check out Dr. Edge come along, because he's like, in his own category.

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How old is he's nine. Oh, that's a great age. And, you know, when he when you're nine years old, and you're getting out there already, the world can be anything he chooses it to be.

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Yeah, and Lily started acting at nine with the same company and connecting with him since she was 11. So we have a long history with this, this, this theater. And so it's really quite special. I helped open the theater here when I was pregnant with Carson. So it's it's all kind of it's really sweet has come back full circle. And it's really been great for the children and they have found their voices and some of their loves their channels for creativity. And so it's it's important to put kids in theater, whether they do anything with it or not, you know, getting over being shy. Alyssa was terribly shy, and it helped her so much with her stage presence. Right baby has been amazing for her. So, Ted, we love you very much, Kevin, you're part of the family. We love you so much, man. And we're so grateful for you. We're so grateful for 10 And I'm like, What is this? By mirroring? Okay, Love y'all have my girls let me okay.

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Have a great day. And, you know, you it is so cool that I get to talk to an entire family and, and their crazy uncle and everybody and you know, the love that you guys have for each other is real, it's genuine. And we can go a long way. In our world if if everybody could get along the way you guys do. And it's just, it's just so fun. But I gotta tell you, Ted, I was listening to I was listening to clearly and that is not of this era. That was that there is so much populism that is not very good. And this is extraordinary stuff. And it's it harkens back to well, you know, back to the when everybody had to use their own voice and and auto tune wasn't the thing. And all of that and and to write it and to produce it and to do that what you guys have done. It's pretty, it's pretty remarkable.

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I mean it like my favorite record out now is Taylor Swift record. And I just like every song, especially that question this, you know. So this one, there's just certain thing about this, that reminds me that just the way, you know, moves and things stop and they go back and forth and stuff like that. So we're I know we're in the right direction. I know we're moving in the right direction. And it's just, it's great to be like on this this train ride. It's cool, you know, and so if we could get that kind of promotion and get it out to the stations, I know this would just go zoom. So my biggest focus was making it timeless. Because you know, if you have a millions of dollars behind it, you know, it's gonna come out in a week, and you know, you know what time is coming out. But if you don't know when it's gonna be released, sometimes songs without big budgets could take a year before they finally break through five years sometimes. So you just try to make it as forward and I'm always really good at being ahead of myself. So I tried to make the track. So look, they wrote the song, eight years ago or something. So the song is time was already. So you know, it was written before it sounded fresh. I thought they wrote it like recently, when I first heard it, and when, you know they, so that the record will sound great tomorrow in the year, it'll sound good in two and three years, it does nothing that is going to go out of style and that record. And it's great. And it's great singing to

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well reminds me of, you've heard the story of Holland oats. With she's gone.

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My friend played the bass on that one. Oh, cheese funds, you know, everybody's iPhones playing.

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You are simply an amazing human being that

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I just been here for a long time. So I've worked with a lot of people. Well,

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for you, if you don't know that story is that they released an album holding on to their first album, and one of the songs was called she was gone on that album. And it didn't go do anything. It didn't go anywhere. And then they released another song that became a minor hit. And that caused people to go back home, if I've got the story, right, Teddy reminded, reminded people to go back and look at some of their other music. And they pulled out she's gone. And that became a number one hit or close to it.

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In the old days, when you have records that were the main source of, you know, the music, sometimes, like one of my lady I used to work for Marty Sharon wrote a song called Jump for the pointed sisters. And it wasn't even on the album. And then when the album came out, they had pulled all the records back like 200,000 records, and put it on there and then re released the whole entire thing. So sometimes you just don't know. And sometimes a song that nobody thinks is going to be a big deal becomes a big deal. So the thing is that if it's done right, it'll be timeless and still sound good no matter when it comes out. I mean, we could back up then I even didn't know what I'm talking about. There was a record called Hanky Panky by Tommy James and Shawn Del Sol, written by a good friend of mine, Jeff Barry and Ellie Greenwich. My baby does a hanky panky, right, they wrote back went to high school in Long Island, they were on some street just sitting there and they wrote the song. And Tommy James cut it up from Pittsburgh. And it like sat there. Nobody did anything. But it took five years before that got on the radio. When he came out. It just exploded. And then Tommy James had like a whole bunch of them. I think we're alone now. You know, just just a ton of hits. But that was a five year wait. So you know, it still sounded good. That's that's the thing you want to do is make it sound good. No matter when there's certain stylistic things that auto tune effects that, you know, I can tell when a record was cut just by those things, but you really want you put saving all my love for you on sounds great. Beatle songs still sound great, you know, songs, even Britney Spears? Oops, I did it again. This still sounds great. And you know, thank you. Thank you to my friends who sang the vocals with Paul Abdul. Who really did the vocal singing. So insights, insight, insight, spoiler alert, sorry.

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Ladies, I'm excited for you. And

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all of like Bruno Mars, you know, those early records and I said Taylor Swift. All her early records still sound great, you know, I got a blank page baby and write your name sounds great. And that's what five or six years old. So all 2016 Yet, the same time you started writing clearly. So you just want to do great work. And you just want to make it so that I said it sound. If you do quality work, it'll sound great. Barbra Streisand or any of the people that have been around for a long time, their music still sounds good in years and will sound good later on

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to well, but then there's even something more I think and tell me if you agree with this, Ted, because you've been around a long time too. There was there was a period of time in the late 50s, early 60s, when a lot of the great music wasn't being written it was all being written by folks and then sung by other folks and it wasn't really very I mean, like Troy Donahue and they were there were a bunch of other ones that Frankie Valley Valley and no forget his name. He was in the he was And Musketeers. Anyway. Thank you so much Frankie Avalon and but there was shallow Sure, yes, there was but there was a period of time when music wasn't very good. And as we

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talked about in that, yeah. And that was every boy's heart from I mean, she was the little tiny musket Mouseketeer on TV, and she had dark hair. And she was like a little Shirley Temple. She was so cute. And every boy was fell in love with the net. And then she got older, and she filled out into becoming a woman. It was like, Whoa, little Lynette suddenly is like, Huh, you know, so that was a big deal.

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It's Yes, it was. And that was a beach Bay Beach movies. And those but the music wasn't very good. But then along came this group and in 1964, that changed everything. And, and I think I really feel like TED to be helped me find because I see so much. I hear so much music. And I hear people that that are really good musicians and songwriters say that music today isn't really very good. I think we're in a place where it is. You disagree? I mean, oh, really? Okay. Yeah, I

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have friends that have stuck back in the 60s and stuff. And it's like, Ah, I mean, I have a playlist that has this old new music and everything is good on here, you know, for making trainers major look, I love rehab, his record is good at antihero. Taylor Swift is great. And just, there's just so much great music, if Beyonce record covers, you know, I like the other one. But even even people that don't like this, just the quality of most of the music that's out is really good. And it's not, you know, people say, Oh, music was better when it was this, that and everything. And I totally disagree. It's just a matter of where you listen to you have more choices now. So you know, you can get you put on Guardians of the Galaxy. And going into the galaxy had all these great songs that were just a Cat Stevens Metallica and Elton John, you know, Blue Suede Norman Greenbaum. It's like who is that, but it still sounded great in a newer movie. And you know, then you go forward. And just, you know, the weekend is great singer, Post Malone is great, Harry Styles is just ridiculously good, you know, can't sing live very well. But the records are just amazing. And he's nominated for Grammy. So it's, you know, there are great people out there. And they will fit into groups of people that, you know, have Broadway shows, and they do pop records. There's a lot of talent out there. There's a lot, there's an abundance, there's a saturation of talent. It's not that they're not talented, it's that a lot of people are not original. So what makes these girls original, special is that they're original. They're not you know, there's a lot of people sound exactly the same. And but they've talented, they're great, you know, you can't say they're not good. But then there's people that come along that are exceptionally talented, and they have something unique, like Lady Gaga, who had been around for a long time, she was really different. And Taylor Swift has been through how many different kinds of years you've been country, she's been country pop, she's just, she keeps changing and adjusting, which is what you have to do. So what her career the way it's moving, that's where I see them going, they have a lot of options into different styles. And they're unique, and they have a quality about them that stands out from the rest, which is special.

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I will take the I will take your advice. I stand corrected. So. So

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this music too. So you know, we do, we do have an overabundance, but every generation, I mean, if you want to back up into the 50s, you know, and do the Watusi and you know, these crazy dances in the 60s, when the Beatles came out, the Beatles didn't have every record wasn't great. You know, some of the records were just like, what? So you know, they experimented they had room to experiment and room to do that when they use it. And so our first record, had a song called Thinking About You, which was a dud, and only went to number 60. And that I thought that was the end of her and then Clive Davis put like $5 million of his own money into promote the record. The second single was you give good love, which did really well. And the third one was fantastic saving all my love for you. So the record companies used to really care about the artists and they would stay with them if they didn't have a hit. It's not so easy nowadays, because there's not that many labels. And there's so much pressure on the artists so the way they're coming through the indie channels is really good because it gives them room to like, like say open when didn't do good. If they were signed to CBS or something, it'd be like, Well, that didn't do good. Sorry, you're done and they dropped. So this gives them this gives them a chance to find their voices find this style, find the look. And you know when time is right, God's timing is perfect. When the time was right, they'll explode. Boom.

39:59  
So Ladies, I gotta ask you when you're sitting around your house, and you're kind of just having a nice conversation, and you're just kind of dreaming about the future, what does it look like for you?

40:12  
I get asked this a lot.

40:17  
I can only imagine why

40:19  
I'm lonely. Do you want me to go first? Do

40:22  
I go first? Yeah, because I don't know what to say, Okay?

40:27  
I see a couple of different paths. And because I want to do everything, I have dreams to do a lot of things, which, as you get older, it's hard to do, especially if, like, I want to get my master's degree. And like finding the path to get there and making connections. I want to play music, I want to perform in various ways I want to continue to write, I've started to actually really have time to write some more, which I'm so excited, especially like, because clearly has done so well, we have other things that we want to record and put out there. And I want to be able to have content to do lists. Yes, I want to do that won't be able to write with Lily. And just because a lot of our some of our best stuff has come from when we're just messing around at the house. And I'm like just playing something and Lily's like, Oh, I hear this like little melody thing. And so we just kind of throw it around and figure out what works. And to be able to have the time to do that is what I would like to have, and then to be able to teach because I've found such a passion for it. So just figuring out where to put the pieces in is gonna be the hardest thing to do. But I have such a passion for music, and just making connections and making music with people. That I really hope that God gives me that path. I'm trying real hard.

42:06  
You can do anything that you choose to do you certainly got the talent, you have the ability, you have the you have the team around you. And you can certainly do any and all of that. And just remember, you're 24 you're just getting started.

42:27  
Sorry. Give her two more years.

42:33  
Wait a minute. Excuse me. Five and a half years younger and my sister. That's not right.

42:44  
Six years ago, yeah.

42:48  
That's okay. And but you've got so much time, and you've got so much talent. And it's it's just really cool. And I really I'm gonna put you on the spot because you're acting good gift and then do a little improv and, and tell me what your dreams are? Well,

43:08  
I've always loved singing with Elizabeth and honestly, clearly is where I learned how to do counter melodies and harmonies. That's kind of like where it started for singing, at least with Elizabeth. But I also in my path as teacher, I want to turn my books into movies, but I do not want to leave my music career behind. I want to do every everything. Like you said, Elizabeth, we kind of both want to do everything.

43:32  
When you come from a family where your mother does everything,

43:36  
everything right? Yes.

43:39  
You and she is amazing. And gives you all of these opportunities like hey, you want to try this, Hey, you want to try this? And then you end up with a lot of things. And you wear so many hats, like sports, theater, music, other things to pick a path. It's a wee bit difficult. But

44:00  
yeah, for I guess where I see myself is that I wanted to do something where I could use all my talents. And what I thought of that I thought movies or TV shows because I get to write, I get to act, I get to sing, maybe dance. I get to do art. Because I'm also an artist. I mean, I'm here at Lipscomb University right now, as an animation student. I'm learning how to animate and stuff. But

44:28  
by the way, your animation is really beautiful. And if you go to I saw it, it's on your website. And you you have some of your animation on your website, don't you?

44:40  
I do. Have you? I haven't been on the website in a really long time. I do.

44:51  
You do. She's getting married. We didn't even know

44:55  
we wouldn't mention this on there. I'm sorry. But yeah, you cuz that's kind of what I want to do. And I know that like doing this with Lizabeth, getting out there is going to help me reach that goal. So

45:08  
I hate when questions that drives me nuts because they do so many things. If I had my choice, I'd be like, Y'all just don't do anything except music, and just leave everything go aside like that. So they're there so multitalented it does, it makes me really nervous, because I just want them to do music, and then do everything else that they're going to do after we get this rolling. So every time I talked to the mother, I'm like, tell him not to do anything else except music, I just wanting to do music, tell them to stay home, we're just gonna do music, music, music, music, music, but they're, you know, she wants to make movies and animation and she wants to write books. And they just, you know, they, they have many interests. And the problem is they're good at all these things. It's not like, you know, they, they want to do something, they're no good. That would be way easier for me wouldn't scare me. If they weren't good, it'd be like, Oh, she's trying to do that. She's no good. Great, okay, I don't have to worry about that. So I'm glad they're not my kids, because they would just drive me insane. Just like, you know, wait, you said you were gonna do this last week, you're gonna do this. So that you know, the world is, is their oyster really. And they just can do anything. Right. So I just I, you know, I said, from where I'm at, I have nothing to do with any of that other stuff. So I'm just being selfish and narcissistic here, but I just want to, you know, I want to see the music thing, take off really, really big. And so everybody, always ask them those questions so that I shrink into my chair and they get

46:42  
Well, the thing is, don't you agree that a really old ultimately, fundamentally, it's all connected? One, success in one area will lead to success in other areas, you just have to, you have

46:55  
to you have to achieve surpass success, or you know, renown or whatever in one area, just as your platform lead off. So I'm going to reference an older person who was a Harry Belafonte, somebody I worked for for three years. So I know. And he came out singing Calypso Music Day. Oh, right. So it was a very good looking beautiful man. And so he got famous from that. But what did he want to do? That was just his ticket in, he wants, he was involved with politics with President Kennedy and Martin Luther King, he started the he helped get Nelson Mandela in a prison that we are the world Harry started, he was just instrumental in so many areas, and politics was his passion. And he hosted the Tonight Show. And he was in movies, one of the first black actors to kiss a white woman in movies. So he had lots of interests. But his passion was, uh, you know, he got there, he had a way to get there first. So the way he got there, it gave him international success and made him famous and rich. But it wasn't ultimately where he wanted to be here. And these girls, I just want them to get there. And then they can just take off, just go like that, you know, this business is so competitive, that you have to almost like okay, I'm just going to do this now. And then I'll branch out. So sorry.

48:19  
Have you guys thought about what fame and how fame would change your lives? I have thought

48:25  
about it. I actually just had this conversation recently. I just had this conversation yesterday. Because I've had it a few times the past few months. So I saw the Elvis film. And then I've seen it and how like fame changed his whole life. And part of it was negative. And it made me wonder like, say, our music were to blow up. And then just things where you get big. And then you know, the public has their eyes on you. And then you know, a lot of celebrities talk about how they don't have a lot of privacy. And then like they put on a face and stuff for unsettle celebrities is just how they, it changes them. I mean, like, it changes your lifestyle. So I mean, it changed the environment that you're in. So it's it kind of it will change you. But I mean, all I want to do in life is be successful. And that's just one of my main goals. And if our music is to get big, and if we already get famous, I my goal and my plan is just always to be, you know, my foundation is God and family and the love of people around me this team is wonderful team that we have. And it makes me physically sick to alter who I am. And I think that's why sometimes I have a hard time putting on a face even in front of my students when I'm teaching because you know when you're teaching you blah blah Well, but like, I don't want to change who I am, just because I'm in front of a crowd. Like, I would just hate to do that. And I think it was one of my pet peeves about other people too is like they change who they are. With people. It just, I don't know, though I'm getting on a tangent now. But I would hope that I wouldn't get big headed. And if I would, that I would be smacked by the people who love means team. Just be like, hey, remember. I'm giving you the authority to do that. Because remember who I am. I mean, that's one of a song that I've written before. It's like, remember who you are, doesn't matter what's going on in your life. Whether it's bad or really good, you can get really big headed about stuff, but remember who you are, and where you come from.

50:51  
If you watched Elvis, I mean, Elvis was his man of God, he just loved his mother. And, you know, his relationship with his father was kind of weird. But what really brought Elvis down was you know, Colonel Parker was really good for him very controlling. And his mother dying really changed everything you know, and he kind of like to lean towards a colonel Parker's like a father figure. So the strong family unit and Whitney Houston had a strong family unit. But then as she got more famous, she pulled away from her family. And she got involved in a lot of negative things. Like in the beginning, she a family was really close to the husband, kept the family really close the Jacksons what the rancher were the father was so healthy, but the family was there, you know, it fiance's relationship with the mother is still good. You know, Tina Knowles is still involved in running a lot of stuff. I know, the guy that Tina Knowles is married to now, Richard. And so there's still a family unit. But Beyonce is so big that, you know, it's being run there. But she always had a mother to go to, she had a mother to go to for advice. And Tina, no father was her father's vision. So the family unit is what you guys have, which is great, and you, you'll never get lost. Because your your family unit is close, and nobody's gonna let you guys get lost. And I just, I do feel good about all these other things that you guys want to do. Because I've done music for authors and books and films and Broadway, and things. So I can go wherever you guys want to go, I can work with you there. You know, which, which is cool. So I'm just trying to keep it go get get there at least get you know, get to a certain level first that will open you up to do whatever you can be like, actresses who are now producers. And you know, people like George Clooney who have gone through all the acting thing he's producing and directing and all that, you know, you have all those options are open for you. And you can be you know, you can do all of it. You can write books, you can do Broadway shows, you can musicals, you can animate cartoons, you know, you just just pick one thing to focus on, you know, that's, that's the hardest part. And I can't wait the old telling this. So I have this conversation with him mother all the time anyway.

53:15  
And Elizabeth, I will tell you that because you have a sound head on your shoulders, you have family and friends that are gonna back you, I don't see you going down a black, dark place, I just kind of just can't see it. And, and you either lonely, I think you both and, and you're going to be each other's best support going forward, for as long as you're together. And, and you you can tell, but then the way that you sing, and the and the way that the songs come out, it's and to intend to, you know, I really appreciate the fact that I mean, you've, you've been around the block a little bit more than most. I was telling Mary earlier that I can spend five minutes with you, and you could drop more names, and it'd take us like an hour to figure out but that's

54:09  
not who I am. I mean, all the names I've worked with, I used to think that was who I am. But I had a life changing experience around 2014 When my life got turned around, I started all over again. And God came into my life and really changed it. So all the music and things I work on are just, you know, be thankful, grateful that I was given a second chance. So you know, all those names are just, they're people I've worked with, they're not better than these two girls, you know, and the work that I'm doing with them is so it just makes me feel so good that people liking what we're doing. Because I'm working from a different place. And I love you know, our relationship we work and say produced by great so I produced it, but we're working together. When we start doing these things. We sit down with a guitar, and we're like how does it go? How do you hear it? What do you guys like? What do you want to do, and it's really like a group effort. And then I go home, and I'll work out some tracks, but we come back in, and I'm really fast. So they're like, well, this bicycle, he'll be great, let's change how we we change the key, let's say just like that. So if you watch us work is like steam coming out of the room, because we're gonna zoom, you know that we work really fast. And no matter what to come up with, these girls can do it. Do it like that do like that. So we're just like, you know how in the cartoons that characters kind of get into the, the darkness just looks like smoke in there just like that this, this heat coming out of that room, because we're working so fast and intently. But it's so joyous, that working experiences joyous, I must suck. When we ever we do a session, I'm driving home, and I can go to sleep, I'm just so uplifted. It's like, it's like going to church. So this is we're not just doing music. We're doing God's work here on earth without getting too deep here. And all the work that they do with the talent that God has blessed them with, is like you said, it all ties together because it's coming from?

56:08  
Well, that's, that's the other thing is that you guys have got a responsibility to yourselves to your fellow man, fellow women, of people going forward into the future, because they're going to look to you as a role model. There's really is no way around it kids, you're gonna hear gonna be a role model for your generation. And it's gonna be great to see,

56:34  
because we'd be elected to office. I mean, you know, any one of them. Reagan was an actor, and he ended up becoming president. I mean,

56:43  
you know, exactly. But but you guys, you know, you've got so much talent, you're so young, you've got your head on your shoulders, you've got a great team, you've got a great family, you can do anything you want to in the world. And you will. You're two

56:56  
years older than we started the interview. I know.

57:00  
Last two years already.

57:03  
We started our two year old at

57:05  
the end, hopefully I'll have a master's degree by

57:09  
PhD who knows? Yeah.

57:10  
So So do you have time for four? Because you're teaching and going to school at the same time? Is that right? Um,

57:19  
so the way that my degree is, so I have, because music education is a massive degree. Most people don't do it in four years. I mean, to stay sane, you shouldn't, unless you want to take classes over the summer, which is not fun. But so especially instrumental. I'm an instrumental music ed major. And we have to take all the methods courses when it comes to all the instruments, so I have to learn how to play all of them, which has been really fun. That's just extra classes aside from the generic classes, but blah, blah, blah. So I graduated and walked last May. But I don't receive my actual like degree physically until December, December when I finished my internship where I get my licensure, because I'm not just education, I'm education with licensure. So it's kind of like a double major. So I finished all of my classes. I'm just doing my internship and getting experience. And I just, what was it? Well, we're going to have a go, I submitted my big project, to where I will get like my licensure, which is like, doing a bunch of lesson plans, and basically jumping through hoops that are on fire to see my license. So that's done. And then I have to take a big exam in my specific field. It's called the practice exam. So once I'm licensed, I could take the practice in, say English and if I pass that, then I'm, I'm certified to teach English. So once I have my licensure, like my certification to teach, if I wanted to teach another subject, I just have to take an exam in that specific subject. And then I could teach that but so I'm done with my classes. I'm just doing extra stuff to get my licensure and then I'm done in December.

59:13  
Congratulations. That will be good. And, and Lily Are you are you in college now?

59:19  
Yeah, I'm sitting in my my dorm right now.

59:24  
Do you? Do you have a box full of letters hanging around your dorm?

59:32  
No. I don't have

59:41  
my wife baby. I was just in LA last week. And I got a whole week's worth of open when letters which was great. I love that every day. You know, quoting from the songs and different things like that and just everyday read them. It's just it's just, it's great. I just love that it's just so special. You know Their song, really, I just just tied it all together, I didn't know what to call them, I just thought they were just little, you know, letters my wife made me but when they said open when their icon open when letters now, they're great.

1:00:13  
And I really hope that that catches on in a big way. Because that would really help humanity and our relationships with each other, which are so fragmented right now anyway. So what we're going to do is I'm going to play that song, but I'm gonna let you guys go, you can stay and listen to it, or you can go but I wanted to give each of you don't opportunity to tell the audience's listening now and the ones 15,000. For the last time we talked, the ones that will be listening later, I'd like you to tell them anything that you'd like them to know. And those of us will start with you so that when we can have a moment to think about what that might be.

1:00:56  
Anything that they want to know just about anything? Or what do you

1:00:58  
mean, what's on your heart? What would you, oh,

1:01:03  
we could be here forever.

1:01:10  
Just so you know, I do this on purpose. Because I want people to know who you really are, and how you what you really are about and, and so it opens up, I get some of the most remarkable things that people say during this segment. So I just want you to do it from and all three of you do it from whatever's on your heart. And it doesn't matter what it is just whatever you feel led to say, and I'll leave it at that.

1:01:40  
I will say this, and then I will have to bounce in just a minute.

1:01:47  
I'll be bouncing, I will as well.

1:01:51  
Just any music that and I know it's the same for Lily and for Ted as well. But any music that we put out there, I mean, it's it's not superficial, or it's, it's not like, quote unquote, plastic or anything. It's very deep, the lyrics that come to me. And there's the melodies that come to all of us, they come from within, I mean, it's my mom has said before, like you can be a songwriter and sell your songs, that for me is very hard to think about, like giving my songs to other people, which like I could write for other people. But like the stuff that I write, and I know the stuff that you know, comes from Lilly and from Ted, it's just, it's so intimate. But it's something that we want to share with the world. Because we feel it so deeply. And it's just whether it be like happy or sad, we know that it's not necessarily I mean, it's personal. But a lot of these feelings are universal, it's things that people can relate to, it's things that will lift people up or be like, hey, you know, I'm here to I understand what you're going through and be able to kind of, like, give people a hug from 10,000 miles away, which is kind of like, I mean, open when is too because it's like, you know, we have distance here. But and it's, there's something different about a letter, like a physical letter, rather than just, I mean, a phone call could be the same thing. But when you write a letter, like, I mean, Penn was just saying, like, he had a letter for every day that he was gone, it's, you put so much of yourself into that for that person. And it means so, so much. And that's what we want to do with our music. It's the same thing. It's the reason I write poetry, it's the reason we do music is to get what's inside out. It's a language in itself. And I could talk forever about this, but I think I'm gonna put a cap on it.

1:03:49  
So, like a word of advice, I'm sorry. I guess? I don't know. I know with everything that I'd want to do, at least is that my goal my main goal is stuff is the message that I want to give to others. It's not the fame, it's not anything else. It's the message that I believe God wants us and also need to share is I believe that there's always hope no matter what, never give up. And even if you can't see it or feel it, there's always hope. And not everyone in this world day and age know that. And I was recently reminded of that, why I want to share that. And I truly believe that there's always hope and everything you do, just never forget that.

1:04:52  
This song, this is a prayer. Okay, so you say this is a prayer to the Lord right here because you make me feel like I'm on top of the world. Every time God's hand meets mine, I see a little more clearly, with every race, I feel a little closer to home than I'd ever thought I'd be. Clearly. That's a prayer. That's

1:05:15  
promotional it is. But really, I want to tell you something real quick. I interviewed a gal day before yesterday, I do this a lot. By the way, I interviewed a gal day before yesterday, and she has felt like she has, she was getting a message that she needed to spread hope. And she kept on hearing the phrase hope and the and seeing hope everywhere. And so she found polished rocks, then these Polish rocks have got a gold riding on them. And they say hope. So what she does is she gives a little bit of hope to people she feels deeds that she'll walk up to total strangers, and say, Here, I think this might help you today. When she doesn't engage, he doesn't talk to them. But she's she's spreading hope, one little rock at a time. You guys are doing it one song at a time. One listening at a time. And it's the same thing. And congratulations you guys are doing. You're doing some amazing things. And then Ted, you're partially responsible for that. And personally, I'd like to thank you for your role in that because it's important what you're doing. I am we really is and that's why you know, and we're gonna play that they will open with in just a minute, but I will end this episode with you young man.

1:06:38  
And my young man.

1:06:39  
Well, I think you're younger me. Everybody's younger.

1:06:43  
I have those things that give them out. There's one says hope one says faith. One says Love and the little silver things I've just given out to people. So you know they're not rock, but they're only about that big. I usually carry a couple with me.

1:06:57  
Yeah, good for you. That's and that's that's the essence of what she does. She wants to do it just to spread a little woman friend a little hope. So what what would you have to say to our audience today, Ted, before we go.

1:07:11  
Thank you. Thank you for listening. Thank you for paying attention, psyche for both willing to open yourself to new music. And don't you know, don't ever get stuck into just like, well what was in the past that music was great like that there's new music coming out from people like these two girls. That's amazing. So as you go into the future, let all of us just be open to new things, new music, new art, new books, new plays, you know, Mozart was great. But in Mozart's time, Mozart was a revolutionary and he was new. And you know, the first first play, you know, they came out on Broadway that you know, change the format or something like that rent or Spring Awakening or any of those things, you know, so it's just, it's you have to be really fearless to do new things and to try to get your new thing through and let it be heard and be seen. So I'm just proud to be part of this training and beyond this, you know, riding on the bus.

1:08:12  
Ted Perlman producer extraordinaire, Elizabeth Jackson, Lilly, Janet Jackson, and you guys are sisters J. Look them up to go buy their music, please.

1:08:25  
Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to hear

1:08:31  
Oh, you guys, you guys

1:08:32  
so much. Thank you.

1:08:37  
I like to be your crazy uncle if I can. One more. I'm looking forward to seeing you at the Tacoma Dome or at Safeco Field one day. And you'll have to give me a back backstage pass to see you guys. Backstage Pass.

1:09:01  
We get famous, we're not gonna know you, you know. Kevin who?

1:09:08  
That's alright, I'll be old in the eye. You know, nevermind, I won't go there. But thank you guys for doing this. And I know we gotta go and I could talk to you guys for hours. But we're gonna play open when I hope everybody takes its message and starts doing this for friends and family. And just a little box of of letters that they can take with them to and fro when they're feeling down or feeling lonesome and want a little bit of a long one a little piece of home. So I just wish

1:09:39  
I could do what they do as they're doing it. They're always fixing their hair. It's like yeah, they're always friends, I would picture being when I was 19 years old, but he was all the way down to my booth. You know? Yeah,

1:10:02  
I had hair one time. I know it's hard to believe. But in any event, ladies, thank you, Ted, thank you,

1:10:08  
man like this to get it on my face. They thought I had Tourette's because I just used to do this. My bangs so just watching them doing this all the time. It's true. I walked in school like that, because in my eyes when we

1:10:26  
get out of your eyes, he was the Bieber before Bieber came along.

1:10:29  
That's right. Yeah.

1:10:31  
Well in when he was growing up in the long hair was I mean long hair. Yeah. It was really? Yeah. And then we lost it. And then there you go. So

1:10:41  
the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

1:10:46  
And I'm looking forward to reintroducing you to the K K NW audience next week. So when you're gonna be on Friday, I believe when we think,

1:10:59  
Oh,

1:11:02  
it's going to be the unless you guys don't know this. And Cameron can't make it. But where's it we've got just scheduled for? I'm sorry for December 2. December 2, so

1:11:18  
that's a Saturday.

1:11:21  
That's a Friday December 2.

1:11:23  
Oh, yeah, you're right. Correct.

1:11:25  
So think of a lot of finals do that day.

1:11:31  
I don't have a football game that day.

1:11:33  
Oh, my word speaking.

1:11:36  
You play football to

1:11:39  
the student teach. Oh, my gosh, Ted, is

1:11:41  
that you? Gorgeous.

1:11:45  
You're right. So I said I just keep on dropping. You have to show that to my mom. Yes. I was so dumb, though. You know, I was so dumb. I was like to Emily always say, oh, you should have no meal again. Like this is everything I tell her about me that she'd be like, Ah,

1:12:03  
dude, you're 19 you're allowed to not know anything when you're 19 No, no. No pun intended for for anybody who's happened to women. Women are different girls are different than guys. You guys are different. You mature a whole bunch earlier than we do.

1:12:21  
ology. Do biology anthropology.

1:12:23  
Anthropology. Great. Yes, it Yes, indeed. So

1:12:26  
who knows what you'll learn in assisters J episode, you know? Absolutely. Absolutely. So I see reality show future

1:12:35  
exists. Oh, yeah, that will be that will be good. You guys have a great day. And thank you so much for doing this.

1:12:41  
Thank you for having me.

1:12:42  
Take everybody God bless them. And this is what's coming in the house.

1:12:50  
And this is open when and the song is we're playing the video now. So

1:12:56  
we connect say something. Yeah, so you got me great video. The stuff you said. Beautiful. So Oh,

1:13:04  
isn't that good? I have an assistant that does that stuff. It's a video

1:13:07  
Yeah, Lizabeth sent me great video. I got that look great. But you on the top there with my video. Thinking along with clearly so I got one from one system linked to the one from you. Oh, that one? Saturday.

1:13:27  
Have you seen have you made it yet? Are you

1:13:32  
working on a video for the video?

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Oh, yes. Because I love this video that I'm about to play. So this is this is great. So

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do I wait, do I know

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this video? Yes. Open when video you create.

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Oh, that one's great. I thought I'm talking about for clearly.

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No, no. I understand that the the original one didn't wasn't up to standard. So you're redoing it? No, they weren't. They weren't in it.

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I did it. It was people it was the New sisters J and a half or something. I kept waiting for them to be in the video and I was just like, by the end of it. I was reading text to marry the mother. I was like I was gonna put it up. I was gonna share it right away. And then I have a look. I was like, they're not in there. Okay.

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Remember ladies? Branding, branding, branding, branding, and your faces are very marketable. So they need to be there along with your talent. So thanks. Thanks, guys. And here is sisters. J what's it called Elizabeth? Open when? Open when open?

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I am just kind of worried for him.

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Do you remember that thing that I did last night for my boys. yeah I do

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okay I'll see you tomorrow I love you song

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wanna feel closer to me they make no mistake We can fall there's nothing we can do about the distance

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the miles between us a part of me is missing

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a road

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for every day we have to gather open nature between

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sailed with my guest

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never said I would be

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easy sending you

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a part of me

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to make you smile to fill my love constantly

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will pick up

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both left off as if time and space were lost and always exist

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you want to sail closer to

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sailed with my guest my day

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is bad to you

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that's why I don't find your love you want to feel closer you want to fail never sad love would be easy selling

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