Evolution the Dangerous and Godless Lie

Dr. Ray: Today in this show, we're going to expose the lie of evolution, a horrible lie that our children are being indoctrinated with. Did you know that if you believe in evolution you cannot believe in God? The God Who created the universe. Do you know the evolutionists teach that everything came from nothing, that order came from disorder? That everything is just a giant coincidence? This is mathematically impossible, physically impossible, violates the laws of physics and the law of thermodynamics. It violates even common sense but yet we are taught this as a fact and it is even a law in the State of Florida that this is taught to our children. Why are we teaching a false theory that has no scientific basis to our children other than to make sure they do not have faith in God? Today, I'm interviewing Don Cain and his friend Domenic Fusco about this problem. Don wrote an incredible book that you must get called Common Sense Destroys Faith in the Theory of Evolution. Stay tuned for this very important podcast.

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Dr. Ray: Hello, welcome to Self Talk, I'm your host Dr. Ray Self. This is a very important show. All my listeners, I want you to pay attention to this show. I am very excited today to have with me two very powerful men of God, Domenic Fusco and Don Cain. Welcome guys. 

Don: Thank you.

Dr. Ray: Glad you're here. So the reason we're doing this podcast is about a book that you wrote on something that we need to be involved in. Now, Don Cain is the author of a book called Common Sense Destroys Faith in The Theory of Evolution, and I like what Dom said, Domenic, we call him Dom, and Dom said it's not evolution it's evil-ution; and so you know this is an uh, important topic for me. Uh, many years ago in college I was an anthropology major and I actually got exposed to this theory of evolution but now I know in the State of Florida it is a law in our public schools that evolution must be taught not as a theory but as a fact so evolution, I think most Christians realize it's a lie but maybe like me we're not really thinking about how serious the consequences and the ramifications are and what this is doing to our children and how this is taking God completely out of the picture and this is a very, very important topic.

Dr. Ray: And not only that, but most people are completely unprepared on how to to talk about evolution and the lie so again welcome uh, Don and Domenic. I appreciate you being here. Um, now in your book, again, Common Sense Destroys Faith in the Theory of Evolution, you make the charge that evolution is not science; that it is fraud and presents itself only under the guise of science. And you said that uh, evolution- of course you didn't say this but the evolutions believe that everything we know came from nothing- and that our children are actually not only being indoctrinated with this but are being- this really hit me really hard- are being intimidated by this so I just kind of want to turn it over to you and just tell our listeners, you know, what do you think? What's, what do we need to do? How serious is this?

Don: I think the foundational issue is whether there is a standard for right and wrong. The theory of evolution exists only for the purpose of replacing God with someone who doesn't have a personality, who doesn't have a will, who doesn't have any standards of right and wrong and the world receives that and to some extent, the church receives that without realizing the implications. And implications are huge. Yes, in Florida the governor recently signed the law uh, uh prohibiting uh, transsexual education until after the third grade and the world has exploded in anger against that and when you ask yourself why this is the case, basically they don't see anything wrong with it and the reason they don't see anything wrong with it is they have bought into the idea that God is a pre-scientific concept; that faith is something like superstition and myth and fable and so without God in the picture, who are you to tell me how to live? 

Dr. Ray: And you said it…so, science with evolution is working really hard to prove there's no God. Because, I mean there this is man's attempt to explain our creation, our world and that that there's no God. This was all a big explosion that everything came out of nothing and that our children are giving- you said this in your book- “children are given a choice: God or science”. I mean truthfully that's what children are given: a choice. You, you can believe in God or you can believe in science but if you believe in science, you cannot believe in God because of evolution. That's serious to me.

Domenic: Yeah, that is, it's um, it's actually a position they take to eliminate God and uh, evolution is um, is by itself you would think just harmless but the philosophy that comes out of it, the fact that they think that we've come out of the goo, to you, via the zoo, and this miraculously happen and your brain which you didn't have, thought about getting a brain and has a brain now and that nothing, and everything that we see around us, came from nothing. And so as a Christian, you read the first line in the Bible “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” so if you don't believe that, what else don't you believe in the Bible? And, and if you don't believe in that, then you don't believe in the, the God that we know who lives out- outside of time that can take care of this stuff. 

Domenic: The worst part about the evolution is that they've replaced the Bible with science and that in the minds of most people uh, is a way for them to ignore God because if science created you then why would you believe in a God creating you? So that is a disaster. You can see it in- around the world a philosophy that has replaced God with secular humanism and we can talk about later the repercussions of that but everyone listening is paying the price right now for that. 

Dr. Ray: You, you said, and that's a great comment, that's, Domenic, I appreciate that. So scientists are trying to find an explanation apart from God but, and Don you said in your book- I love some of your quotes- he said you need to park your brain at the door to believe that everything came from nothing.

Dr. Ray and Don: laugh.

Don: Um, uh, the reason it works is ah, oh, two levels. First, uh, the absence of God is widely perceived as good news. Uh, the devil has managed to persuade people that the very best news you can conceive of, that there is a Creator God, that we are made in His image, that he loves us and desires fellowship with us, that we are uh, alienated from him because of selfishness. Uh, the enemy has convinced the world and some of the church that that is bad news.

Dr. Ray: So, scientists are trying to explain away God with this, really; there's this theory that they call a fact of evolution, which science doesn't support the science. That science does not support the science. And you know, I've actually, I was an anthropology major and I remember issues even back then but, you have a lie being taught as a fact and if you believe the fact, you cannot believe the God of the Bible and again, what hits my heart is children in public schools, and in college, are being indoctrinated with this. 

Domenic: Well you know, that's a broad statement that the, that scientists, because scientists actually promote this and are, don't believe in a God…

Dr. Ray: Not all scientists…

Domenic: No, but a great number of scientists believe in God. They know, even Warner Von Braun said if you want to be a true scientist, you have to examine everything. The things that people won't question but the fact is that you as a, as a scientist if, let's just say half the people do not believe in creationism, the other half believe in, obviously, evolution. But that's not the issue, it's a political pawn used by government to replace God with man. You watch it in every Marxist movement. They, they don't want people believing in God so it's a lot of- there's so much science that proves that this is impossible to have been evolved. It's impossible. Where does everything come from? I mean, even if everything, if, if the Big Bang was truly a, a true theory, then you have to ask yourself who lit the fuse? I mean, you just, it doesn't work. There are lots of scientists that believe God created this heaven… 

Dr. Ray: Yeah.

Domenic: …and they’re, and DNA proves it beyond a doubt. I mean, in a little DNA piece, figment, there's a, there's a city in there the size of New York City with replication…

Dr. Ray: Yeah.

Domenic: … ability. So, so I, I would say the problem we have is a political problem. The problem we have is you have a teachers union, you have politicians up there uh, in Washington, that they don't, they don't want people believing in God. This is, is what they did in Cuba, this is what they did in Russia, this is what they do, what the Marxists do, everywhere. 

Dr. Ray: Well, and I want to rephrase. they're the scientists, the evolution scientists,

Domenic: Yeah.

Dr. Ray: …are really trying to explain away from God but not all scientists.

Domenic: No, no.

Dr. Ray: And again, science, true science proves beyond any shadow of a doubt and even common sense as your book says so well, common sense…

Domenic: True.

Dr. Ray: …approves the lie of evolution and I think a lot of people are indoctrinated and, and deceived; and one thing that I've always believed: when a person is deceived, they do not know they're deceived because they're deceived, so there's a lot of good people that they're not, they don't realize the deception. There's some good teachers- I remember, you know, I didn't realize it was evil when I was in school again teaching this. Something didn't bear with me; so there's a lot of good people who are deceived by this.

Domenic: Absolutely.

Dr. Ray: But I think what hit me so hard with both you guys is I started thinking about the ramifications, because if you accept evolution, you deny God and our schools are teaching this. And churches, and you said something else, and churches as a whole, many churches do not know how to handle this problem.

Domenic: Right. They don't uh, they don't make it a day- there's a creation Sunday of the year, we're going to talk about creationism, and again if you don't believe- think about this and I mean it turns out that uh, 35, 37 percent of the people who are pa- who are in pulpits, believe in, in a God of, of creation but the rest do not. What are they teaching? So that's a challenge we have. If you don't make the word of God absolute with uh, with regards to creationism, you open the door to every kind of uh, we call it deception. Remember what Jesus said. In the end times it's going to be like Noah's day. You'll- be not deceived. 

Dr. Ray: Go ahead Don. 

Don: The problem is the church and the Christian is given the alternative of believing what the scientists say or taking the position that we think we're smarter than the scientists. Well of course we are not scientists but we don't need to know a great deal to see through the lie of evolution. We don't need a scientist in a white lab coat who is a stranger to us, who we don't know, who may have a hidden agenda, who may claim that he doesn't believe in God because of science but may have been an Atheist to start out with. We don't need a scientist and a white coat to go out in the world on our own without any help and see a very high degree of order that order is explained best by the God of scripture and not by a process natural selection which Sir Richard Dawkins says is blind, mindless and without purpose or intention.

Dr. Ray: And you said in your book “but the world demonstrates order, organization, complexity, fruitfulness, diversity and dependability and predictability” 

Don: Yes.

Dr. Ray: And so how could this come out of nothing that was mindless? And that's what common sense doesn't… 

Don: The, the world…

Dr. Ray: Jive with that.

Don: …the world wants to tell us that the modern technology that we enjoy is a gift from evolutionary science which does not line up if evolutionary science is correct and they say that uh, natural selection is mindless, blind and without purpose or intention. The laws of physics are discoverable. They are locatable. Modern science began in the late Middle Ages mostly in Europe. The Chinese invented gunpowder and that was about their last contribution to uh, modern science. The Arabs delivered us from Roman numerals and gave us Arabic numerals which are the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and that was their contribution. The rest of the science uh, contributing to modern technology, came out of Christian Europe, the Middle Ages or maybe just a little before or after that, because they thought a reasonable God would make a reasonable universe and so they set out to, in the words of some of them think God's thoughts after him. And they found modern physics and that is where modern technology comes from. Because in all of the books they publish, they say that entropy, that decline from order to disorder is found in all of Nature and it doesn't occur to them that that is the opposite of what uh, evolution calls for. Evolution says everything is spiraling upward whereas all of the evidence we can see, everything is going from order to disorder and spiraling downward. 

Dr. Ray: What I like about all this, it, again, this is common sense. And this is just common sense. And so for the listeners here, I want you to know, this book Common Sense Destroys Faith in the Theory of Evolution, that you're going to have it available you know, on our website and we'll give you the link on how to purchase all that it'll be in the show notes. I encourage you to get this book because you know in your heart it's a lie, because you know, because you have the Holy Spirit in you but you just don't know how to explain it. And what I really thank you so much for Don, is you write this book and this teaches us and you even put in here even a third grader can explain the lie of evolution and the truth of creation. And this book is valuable, valuable, valuable to them. 

Domenic: One thing that I don't think most people realize is the philosophy that comes out of evolution. Just think about this. If you don't believe in the God of creation who gives us a purpose of value, I mean we see suicides now that are beyond what anybody would have ever thought just a decade or so ago. We have a God that has given us purpose and all. The thing about evolution, that philosophy, if you fall into that trap, you believe you're an animal with no purpose, no end, you don't- the, the, and the sad part of it is then you watch the laws- look, at look at the morality today. That's the real disaster, that you who are listening right now, are paying the price, for 40 years worth of evolution jammed on our kids throats. 

Dr. Ray: And it could be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, that evolution is a lie. Now here we're Christians, we're full of faith in all this, this is not even a faith statement. This is a fact that can be proven, that evolution is a lie, man's attempt to explain away God. It's a lie that we have been intimidated in to believing, and maybe brainwashed into believing. I noticed, not too long ago I went into a museum up in Tennessee. And when I walked in the museum, I'll never forget this, there was this huge chart on a wall showing the evolution of man starting out with some little amoeba which turned into a salamander, which turned into a frog, which turned into a blah, blah, blah, and somehow turns into a monkey which somehow turns into a man. And they had it all charted out as fact. And it's a lie. And we're being indoctrinated with a lie that is humanism explaining away God, and if I were Satan, I would love evolution.

Domenic: Yeah. Well maybe, maybe that's the sequence as part of somebody else's family, but not mine. 

Dr. Ray: Hahaha, amen.

Don: I think it needs to be pointed out that when somebody offers you something that you deem is very valuable,  Freedom, independence from God, sovereignty, nobody else making rules, nobody keeping score, nobody going to hold you to a final accounting, that can seem liberating. And that is as far as modern man goes and they don't realize that there is a hook in that bait and that if you are only an accident of nature, then you and the rest of the world are not image bearers with immense value, immense significance, meaning and purpose to your life, uh,  but you were just an accident. So there's a great loss. It goes even further than that in that all of these tantalizing, tantalizing goodies that are so appealing to us, that we want to indulge in, are not even good and the reason God says don't do this or don't do that, he has organized existence in a way so that we have sowing and reaping and if you do things that produce bad fruit, then you won't like it. You may like it in the beginning. And so when God says don't, he's not withholding anything good from us. Everything good is there for us but we have a fallen nature and that's hard for us to realize. 

Dr. Ray: See, with, with God we have absolute truth. We have scripture, we have God's word, we have, we have a moral standard. Without that then truth becomes subjective, okay? And truth is based on what you experience. I mean, you can see this now even in our society what we believe is true. I'm 71 years old what I was taught wass true growing up, that certain things were not good and evil, now they're celebrated as correct and, and good. That's because truth is subjective but with God's word we have a standard of morality that, that, that we live off of but evolution says there is no standard, it's just one big accident, therefore we really have no value, rather than being made in the image of God.

 Domenic: Yeah when we look at the the Bible with its absolute standards and you look over at secular humanism, it's values, clarification, it's situation, ethics, values, clarification, if it feels good, do it. Do whatever you want. It doesn't work. It doesn't work in a family, it doesn't work in a society, it doesn't work in a country. And God's laws are perfect.

Dr. Ray: And there's, again, we go back to what's been an eye-opener for me, and thank you so much, is that the foundation of these lies and deception actually starts with evolution. Because in the beginning God…and when you take that out and it says no that's, that's a fable, that's just a fable, then you have left man's explanation of everything and so the Bible starts off with no foundation.

Domenic: Yeah.

Dr. Ray: This is critical stuff.

Domenic: Yeah. We see the fruit of that in violence, we see the fruit in that in abortion, you see the fruit of that in uh, absolute uh, lies that we may accept as truth and right now I don't even know what to call you. Are you a they, she, what or whatever? And so that is, that's one of…when you think about disorder and chaos uh, this is part of the fruit of the philosophy of evolution. 

Dr. Ray: Well no, I can tell you how I identify, you know, I identify as a champion PGA golfer who shoots under par every time I play and my wife says that's some kind of a deception. I don't know why she says that but it- just doesn't work. 

Domenic: Does that work on the women's tour or the men's tour?

Dr. Ray: It doesn't work on the kids tour, ha ha ha.

Domenic: Yeah, it's a real it's a real awakening to, to uh, and by the way, we, we uh, we had lunch and we asked the the server what she thought about evolution and like most people, they don't think about evolution.

Dr. Ray: Absolutely.

Domenic: They don't realize what poison it is and when uh, Dewey brought science into education and he's, went, you know, went ahead and replaced God with science and it took 40 years, 30, 40 years. We are…the consequences are are pretty steep.

Dr. Ray: We're being not only indoctrinated again, I keep going back to this but, I think about all these thousands and thousands of kids in public schools.

Domenic: Yeah.

Dr. Ray: And maybe some Christian schools for being indoctrinated with this lie and say you cannot believe in creationism and and believe in science at the same time, therefore you're, if you do not believe in evolution, you do not trust science. And they're telling this to our children and that's just, and we, we have a job to do as parents. 

Domenic: We do.

Dr. Ray: And as a church.

Don: I think that we are all horrified with school shootings. All of those school shooters had a first grade experience, a third grade experience or a junior high experience, middle school, high school experience and their indoctrination, their training, what they were told is that science has the answer and we don't really need God in order to explain things. Well, most of us don't end up as school shooters but we are compromising along the way. The school shooter; we don't know how long they may have wrestled with their demons before they finally gave in because they have been convinced that there is no one making rules, no one keeping score, and there will be no final accounting, and they think if they shoot themselves, they have avoided culpability. We don't know how many potential school shooters out there now are wrestling with their demons trying to resist. And with the theory of evolution, you have less reason to resist the temptation. When you have children and grandchildren, and when you have brothers and sisters that are vulnerable, there are people out there that view them as prey, as potential prey, and they are tempted to exploit them in hundreds, maybe thousands of ways and with God out of the picture, they have one less reason to resist the temptation. We have poli- politicians that were schooled uh, through 16 or more years of formal education who are making the decisions for the rest of us, who believe that God is not there. There's nobody making rules. We can make up the rules as we go along and so it is consequential for all of us.

 Dr. Ray: You know, again, to the listeners I want you to get this book Common Sense Destroys Faith in the Theory of Evolution written by Don Cain, W. D. Cain, and you put a little subtitle here written in non-technical everyday language: It's actually a very easy read. I mean, I have uh, it's one of these books you pick up and you just you read one chapter and you can't wait to go to the next..

Don: And so uh, let me inject. I am so thankful to God that he has provided many, many scientists who were Christians who had written and produced great works testified to the validity of God. I have a couple of dozen of them on my shelves. They fortify and validate what we're saying but on a technical level that I am required to trust what they say. And because I believe in God, I wouldn't be able to be there it's easy for me to believe. The other people who are reading the evolution scientists, they have a scientist community that they want to believe. What's in the book our attempt is to make it accessible to everyone. It's not technical, it is insightful, and it is intuitive and we hope it lines up with your personal experience so when we make a claim or an insight, you verify it yourself. 

Dr. Ray: Parents, teachers, preachers, church leaders, uh, we need this book. I think another thrust of your ministry has been to get this material into the hands of the churches because it needs to be addressed in the church, as well. You guys want to comment on that or?

 Domenic: Well we think that uh, if you look at audiences and you're trying to market something, we're talking about the church being impacted by the theory of evolution and remember it's a theory, it is not scientific fact. A lot of people claim it is but it is not. So, the the teachers now have to deal with um, a thing they call, they call fact when it really is a theory. And what impact does it have? Near 90 percent of the people who believe in evolution do not believe in creationism but go to church their whole life. When they get out of high school, that's the end of them going back to church. Does it impact you pastor? What are you going to do about it? I think you need to teach creationism and the fallacy that evolution has brought upon us. 

Don: The theory of evolution began to take hold around the turn of the 20th century, the 19th century into the 20th century, uh, and we had a divide in the Christian church between liberal and conservative. The liberal churches were trying to say you know, we are not scientists, we don't know how to uh, attack this thing. So they accommodated and began to make adjustments and it started out gradual and over a period of 100 years, there's not much left in the liberal churches. 

Dr. Ray: Now in your book, you have a lot of ways to prove the lie. So we're not just speaking here about faith. You have fact, you know, the statistical record, the fossil record, uh, the law of thermodynamics, the laws of physics, all these just do not fly with evolution. Yeah, I think I was telling you before the show I used to be an anthropology major in college, many, many moons ago. And I remember then that the teacher kept talking about missing links. And what if- if we were evolving, there would have to be transitional creatures like something that was half frog, half rat, half rat, half bear, half bear whatever and, or, so they say we came from a monkey, so where is the fossil that says it's half monkey, half man? In other words, in all of our archaeological digs over hundreds of years, not one fossil has ever been discovered that you could say is a transitional fossil, showing something in the process of changing from one animal to another which even the thought of that is still- it sounds so stupid. But there's proof in the fossil record plus mathematical proof and the laws, the laws of again the physics and thermodynamics, and it's amazing.

Don: Yes, and the evolution scientists know this. They know there's no transitional forms but they are committed to an anti-god stance so they don't comment that much on it and they hope the rest of us don't notice it.

Dr. Ray: Because if they had to say okay, we actually cannot prove this or no transitional fossils, this is against the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics, if they had to admit that, then they would have to admit well, maybe there's a God they don't want to do that so they cover up, lie and intimidate.

Domenic: Absolutely, absolutely. We pay the price now and not just here in America, it's worldwide. We're watching a decline in the belief of God and God is, uh, God's program, laws, rules, uh, keep order, keep order in the family, in a community and a country.

Don: I think the uh, the leaders of the movement know of their duplicity but I think most of the followers, most of the common people uh, just go along on faith. They say we're not scientists, we can't disprove what you're saying and another thing that makes it work is we have an innate trust and so we kind of attribute to the people that are making these pronouncements honesty and integrity. We kind of assume that they are objective and that they don't have an agenda and that's what makes it work. 

Dr. Ray: So you believe well, they're scientists, they must know what they're talking about but when you start using common sense and refuse to park your brain, you see there's many pitfalls in their theory and there is no scientific explanation that really justifies the theory, especially if you want to go back to the beginning where everything came from nothing. That is an impossibility. That's the laws of physics, you cannot create nothing from- everything from nothing. That's impossible. And then you want to go to the mathematical odds which is ridiculous. Anyway, go ahead.

Domenic: But the promise is so enticing. Freedom, independence making my own rules. I think when people decide to make their own rules, they say to themselves I am not going to murder anybody, I'm not going to rob any banks and from there I'll just make it up as I go along which leads to the chaos where we are now. 

Dr. Ray: So because of this, the ramifications are we have no true- if we believe this and there's really no moral standard and subjective, and we've seen this in our world today, we've seen this in our country. Morality has changed, truth has changed and where God's truth has not changed, the truth of man, the truth of America, that’s being taught has changed and continues to evolve.

Domenic: Rewritten, rewritten. 

Don: I think we can go down the street and interview people and close to a hundred percent are going to identify, self-identify, as I'm a pretty good person. Now I’m not perfect, but I'm pretty good. And so we don't uh, see the need and so we go along with the lie. 

Domenic: Most people who call themselves Christians view that as a good person, not anything to do with the death and resurrection of Christ. And when you think about that, where are we? We need to create disciples as a solution to this problem. We need to have them know the truth, we need to have them live the truth or… we are paying the consequences right now. Look around, people at home when their kids go out and play. And when I was growing up, open the door and you just come home when the lights came on on the street. And it's it's really a very sad thing to see what's going on.

Dr. Ray: You know, Dom, you said something is so important too. Exposing the lie is not enough. We have to proclaim the truth. 

Domenic: Yeah.

Dr. Ray: And bring people to the truth. Jesus said I am the way, I am the truth, I am the light. Nobody comes to the Father but through me. He is the truth that we need. He is the answer to everything. Jesus said apart from Me, nothing exists. He said, there's a scripture, apart from Me you can do nothing.

Domenic: Right.

Dr. Ray: When you translate that into Greek, it says apart from Me, nothing exists. It’s actually, a way that it translates. And so Jesus is the answer and apart from Him, actually nothing matters and nothing exists and that's our job, is that is we're ministers of the gospel.

Don: And while we proclaim faith in Christ, faith in God, faith in the Bible, sometimes we don't live the, the life. And I'm told that divorce inside the church is about equal percentage to divorce outside and it's because we're, we're caught up in the thought patterns. It's kind of been the atmosphere. It's just in the ethos of things and so we make small compromises. Small compromises, not realizing that a decade or decades later those small compromises become big compromises.

Domenic: You know, when you think about men replacing God, your, your, your uh, ignoring the concept of redemption. And I love a pastor who once said you put 40 bottles of milk in a crib with two babies, they will fight over one bottle. Man has a nature that needs redemption, needs saving. You are what you… listen, what you hear, you think; what you think, you believe; what you believe, you become. When you go to church for one hour a week and go home and watch 50 hours of secular television, what are you gonna be? What you hear, you think; what you, you think, you believe; what you, what you believe, you become, and…So that's what we've got our kids in school doing; they're hearing over and over science is the answer. We have all the answers, we just haven't discovered them yet. That's a lie.

Dr. Ray: In counseling, one of the statements I've used many times is whatever you focus on will control you.

Domenic: Yeah.

Dr. Ray: and the Bible says that the mind focused on the spirit is life and peace; the mind focused on the flesh, the mindset of the flesh is death; and so we need to focus on the truth and I think one good thing about evolution, if I’ve heard anything good,, it clearly shows our need for a savior.

Domenic: Amen.

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Dr. Ray: It shows our need for our savior. So how about just final comments here, um, final comments. Yeah, this… Don and then Dom, final comments?

Don: Okay, uh, I think the thing that's most encouraging to me is we don't have to be as smart as a scientist. You don't need to know a lot to be able to see through the theory of evolution. You can do it with a few insights that are intuitive and that line up with your own experience. I think we probably have three or four dozen insights in the book; I hope some of them will resonate with you and be life-changing for you.

Dr. Ray: Anything else, Dom?

Domenic: I would say get in the fight. If you can get a copy or when you can, get a copy of this book; it's very simple arguments, common sense in common language, no science that'll uh, you know, confuse you. And it's what we need to do to combat this uh, philosophy that is literally destroying not only our country but our world so uh, just be in the f- in the fight. Remember what Jesus said, be not deceived, and look around; even the church has been deceived today, so get in the fight. We're going to win, we're going to win.

Dr. Ray: Thank you, uh, Dom Fusco and uh, Don Cain. I appreciate you guys so, so very much. The book again is Common Sense Destroys Faith in the Theory of Evolution by W.D Cain or Don Cain. Listeners, the way- the easiest way I'd encourage you to get this book is go to our podcast website and the link is in the show notes but- show description- but you can go to icmcollege.org/selftalk. icmcollege.org slash self talk and the link will be in the show notes. You, you'll see a store there. You can also make comments about the show, you can write a review, you can get on our email list, uh, follow all the cool stuff you can do. God bless you. Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you guys.

Domenic: Thank you.

Don: Thank you.

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Dr. Ray: Thank you for listening to Self Talk; this is your host, Dr. Ray Self. If you'd like to get the book Common Sense Destroys Faith in the Theory of Evolution written in non-technical terms by Don Cain, go to my podcast website, icmcollege.org/selftalk. Look at the store, be sure and put in the code ICM when you get ready to order. When you get to the website to order, put in promo code ICM. That is very important. This book is going to give you answers and teach you how to explain the lie of evolution to your teacher, to your pastor, to anyone who will listen. This lie is very critical because it is training our kids not to believe the God of creation and common sense just destroys evolution. You really need this book. Also, if you've ever wanted to get equipped for the call of God on your life and finish up your college education, please go to my college website which is icmcollege.org, International College of Ministry. You can get a free evaluation there. We'll tell you exactly what it's going to take to get your degree, how much it will cost you, what you need to do. You work on your own schedule, your own time, and this free evaluation is obviously free so you have nothing to lose, but I know some of you have a call of God. Many of you, most of you have a call of God. Getting equipped for your call is really critical so I appreciate you very much. Thank you for listening to Self Talk where we give real answers to tough issues. God bless you.