Jay Golden - Hilarious and Serious

Jay: Jay golden, PGA, one of the most multi-talented people in the history of my family in golf.

Dr. Ray: And I had one lesson with Jay and I started driving about 360 yards, actually I drove over the par forest and so I had to, I had to dial it back.

Jay: Actually, it went 50 yards in the back of a truck and 310 yards later, it stopped for a light and the ball fell out.

Dr. Ray: Well, I guess you can see from that this is going to be a different type of show; when I interview professional golfer Jay Golden. Golf Digest wrote an entire article just on this man. He's known as golf's true renaissance man, an incredible man. He's a golfer, he's a painter, he's a writer, he's an actor, he is a children's book author, he is a comedian, he's an emcee, he's just, his resume is amazing. Former long drive champion, uh, professional golf tournament winner, coached Arnold Palmer, what an incredible guy. Stay tuned for this show, you're going to learn a lot of good life lessons through it. God bless you thank you for listening.

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Hey, welcome to Self Talk, I'm your host Dr. Ray Self. Very glad you're with me. I have a very unusual show today, I think you're going to enjoy this show quite a bit. My guest today is Jay Golden, hey Jay.

Jay: Hi, what do you mean by unusual?

Dr. Ray: Well, some people tell me, I think it was your wife in a private conversation…

Jay: Haha! Don't listen to her.

Dr. Ray: …that you had some things that she didn't want to say publicly, so we'll just not put it on the podcast, okay?

Jay: All right, thanks. You know, I have to tell you one thing though. My wife hasn't talked to me for two weeks I don't know what I did but I want to find out so I could do it again. That is not funny, I apologize for saying that.

Dr. Ray: And so your wife will not be listening to this podcast, you, you pray and you hope.

Jay: Haha, well yes let's pray.

Dr. Ray: Because you know, happy wifey, happy lifey, right?

Jay: Oh yeah, that's right.

Dr. Ray: So I got just a quick question, Jay. So if a man is, is talking in the woods and there's no woman around anywhere to hear him, is he still wrong?

Jay: Well, I don't, I would say that uh…Listen, I've had, I'm married over uh, 40 years, I've had 5000 discussions, arguments, whatever, with my wife, and I haven't won one yet. But you can't win them all.

Dr. Ray: That's so good. So, so folks, Jay is a, it…really, when I tell you that this man is very interesting uh, it's just it's an understatement. I met Jay- I live in Winter Park Florida, and I met him at Winter Pines Country Club golf club, uh, some years ago as a golf instructor and he would just be walking around and helping people with their swing and we got to know each other, and as I got to know him, the more I got to know him I said I kept finding out little things about you like, you're a painter, or you're a poet, or, or you're a comedian. And, and then I kept saying well, that's incredible, that's incredible. But before we go on, let me just read this excerpt from Golf-

Jay: Before you do, let me just say there are only two people that think that I'm incredible, me and you and I'm not sure you really believe it.

Dr. Ray: That's probably true. So, so I think this paragraph to me uh, describes you and it's almost, it's one of these paragraphs like no, somebody just made this up. Some fictional character. Jay Golden, from Golf Digest. Okay. You can google Jay Golden Golf Digest and you will see this. “Over the past 40 years, Jay has been a tournament player, instructor, trick shot artist, long drive competitor, MC, stand-up comedian, cartoonist, journalist, children's book writer, screenwriter, poet,” I'm not done yet, “inventor and singer, all with golf as the prefix.” 

Jay: That's uh…You know, there's even more. Actually,

Dr. Ray: Oh, there's more?

Jay: I'm involved in 30 different professions in golf, which I'm currently unemployed in. 

Dr. Ray: 30?

Jay: Over 30. 

Dr. Ray: 30 different unemployed…

Jay: Well, not totally.

Dr. Ray: Wow, you sell Chicago Bears of the late 70s…

Jay: No way.

Dr. Ray: …before uh before McMahon. Okay, well, or maybe the Tampa Bay coming up since they lost Brady.

Jay: Oh boy.

Dr. Ray: Well anyway. I, to me, you know, this is just amazing. How, how can you do this? How could, how is this possible in one lifetime?

Jay: Well, if I would like to uh, encourage people to do something that I believe will bring you more pleasure in your main hobby or interest or whatever it is, your profession. If you could combine- Let's say uh, you’re uh, I don't know, a musician. You're a musician or if you're a musician, if you have some other talents related to music like, if you like to paint and you did some paintings of musicians or a painting of some notes of music or to write a poem about it or to bake a cake in the shape of a guitar, or if you could combine some of your interests, hobbies and skills with something, your profession or something that you really love, it adds a lot of enjoyment and it separates you. And if there's one thing, if, message, that I would have today to encourage you, I play golf. I've been playing golf my whole life. I'm sure you're familiar with my little league career, you probably have my little league baseball card. I don't have to tell you about that but at 12 years old, I really took up golf and I've played in 500 golf tournaments, amateur, pro, whatever. None on the biggest tours, but I've played, but I've gotten more pleasure from the other things that I've done relating music, poetry, art, children's books, shows, TV, podcasts, I've got more enjoyment from the other things than I have from golf. And if I could share one thing with you, try to combine your interests, hobbies and skills either with your profession or your number one skill.

Dr. Ray: That's interesting. So combine your interest with your profession.

Jay: Yes.

Dr. Ray: And so, you have an interest in golf…

Jay: That's my profession. Teach- now teaching golf is my profession. But I combined all of my interests with a golf theme.

Dr. Ray: It's interesting. You're, I know one of the things that first fascinated me with you was your painting, um, your impressionistic paintings. I was just blown away by it because I grew up, my mother loved impressionistic paintings and she used to show them to me all the time, and I meet you and uh, your paintings are incredible. Of course they're related to golf, you'll do like-

Jay: Yeah and also I didn't want to mention to you that you didn't have your glasses on at the time,

Dr. Ray: That's true.

Jay: But I've copied hundreds of Van Gogh's and Monet's and I try to incorporate that style into my golf paintings. Vincent van Gogh.

Dr. Ray: And you actually do a show and I saw this show on YouTube about Vincent van Gogh, right? The one man, one man act?

Jay: Yes, uh, and this is not related to golf but I do dress up like Van Gogh once in a while with, with a beard and a straw hat and a patch on my ear and the clothing. And I know a lot about his life and, and I've done this in, in classrooms and for groups and in the Orlando Museum of Art and, and, I say I came here in a time machine. My name is Vincent van Gogh, I don't know why you want me here, I did a thousand paintings, only sold one, but I was told that you want to watch me do a painting, you want to hear about my life, you want to hear about my painting technique, and you could ask a few questions and here we go. And then three quarters of the way through, I see a book, a big fat book that says Vincent van Gogh and then, then it becomes more of a motivational where I say “you mean I was right and they were wrong? That my painting sold for 50 million dollars? That there, there's a museum named after me?” So that's, that's the way I switch that around.

Dr. Ray: You know, I think from practical terms, what I see your, your bio uh, when you call it your accomplishments, it's like how could you do this in one lifetime, you know? Children's books in, in writing and music, and golf, and poetry, and MC, and comedy, and I mean, how do you fit this into one life?

Jay: Well thank goodness, you know, I do earn a living. My wife and I, she teaches kindergarten, and I earn some money teaching here and there and I have a lot of time. I think that that's part of the answer. If I had a full-time job and then I had to do some other things and I wouldn't have the time. But even if you have very little time, you could do some of the things that you love.

Dr. Ray: You know, I don't know Jay if you realize, you know, what a blessing, you know, you are uh, to people. I'll never forget being on the driving range at Winter Pines and didn't really know who you are, you were just walking by and you would give me a couple of tips and uh, you know, always swing inside out. Swing inside, hamburger, hamburger and uh, just out of the clear blue and got to talking to you and just got fascinated by you. But you just like to help people.

Jay: Well I knew that someday you would have a podcast and that I would star in it and this is, there's a new name. It used to be Dr. Ray Self so, it's now the Jay and Ray Show, and uh…

Dr. Ray: Yeah.

Jay: …we'll be on uh, you'll probably have me back in about another year.

Dr. Ray: Can we, can we do Self Talk with Jay and Ray? I mean…

Jay: As long as my name is first, you call it what you want.

Dr. Ray: Yeah, we could do, we could do sports talk and talk about random stuff. 

Jay: Yes.

Dr. Ray: Um, it's really, it's really really interesting and I know in your comedy you told me you worked with uh, Jerry Seinfeld…

Jay: Well uh, never with him…

Dr. Ray: …one time, or, went on a show with him?

Jay: No, well I've auditioned sort of for the show Seinfeld, but I've been with many comedians. I was a MC at a gigantic hotel and I would introduce comedians every night for three years, and I became a stand-up comedian not related to golf but uh, I've done a lot of comedy and a lot of golf comedy and impersonations of, of people if they played golf. Rodney Dangerfield, (impersonates Rodney) “I'll tell you no respect, okay? I went to a pro, I said how can I take 10 strokes off my game? He said skip one hole”, and then, you know, I have 75 Rodney jokes and Mohammed Ali as a golfer (impersonates Mohammed) “when I play golf it’s no fun because every hole's a hole in one. I'm the greatest of all time. Go get Rey, Self, I want Self.”

Dr. Ray: That’s so…I wish I could do Howard Cosell.

Jay: (Impersonates Howard) “Hello again everybody, Howard Cosell talking about Dr. Ray. One can only ponder, will he eventually hit the ball over 20 yards with his driver? Will he ever make a putt longer than six inches or will he stay in the doldrum mediocrity of the unknown?”

Dr. Ray: I don't even know how to quite respond to that.

Jay: I don't either.

Dr. Ray: I don't know, that is so good. It is so good. Oh, oh my goodness. And I notice you, you work with kids, you work with seniors, and uh, I know that you seem to have this uh, ability to help people who are just brand new with golf and just get them interested in where they can actually hit the ball and enjoy the game.

Jay: Well, you know, I call this your God-given swing and that is… I've helped more people by just asking them to take a club swing back and forth without stopping. Back and forth, back and forth, and if you do that, given your height, your weight, your athletic ability, your elasticity, it will show you your natural swing and that's the swing that you should try to copy. So it's a swing that feels good. It's still tough because the ball is so small but that's one way and my son, I taught him that starting at a year and a half old and at 22, he played in the U.S. Open and he learned like that. Before every shot, he'd swing back and forth twice and then try to copy that swing and it's just your natural, your natural swing. And I call it your God-given swing.

Dr. Ray: I'll tell you a little testimony. My wife Christy, we've been married about 16 years, and I, I decided I was going to teach her to play golf. Well, it just wasn't going too well and Christy would continually just lift her head and she would just miss it. And she's athletic, but she would always just miss the ball and finally um, I kept trying to give her instruction. Honey, this is what you need to do, this is what you're doing wrong. It just wasn't working. It just was not working at all. Finally, we just kind of gave up on the project. She meets you at the Winter Pines and you had her actually making contact with the ball. I think in about 60 seconds. I was, I was blown away.

Jay: Well it was 60 seconds because even with all the compliments you gave her, she's a very slow learner. Most people takes, five seconds maybe, actually. But that's the way to learn. And I believe you could learn so many things that way instead of getting too technical, that, use your… how old is the human body? I don't, I don't know according to the Bible but it wasn't born, it wasn't born yesterday. You have so many talents, if, you know, I have a drill that I, that I've done, I've done a lot of videos and if you wanted to go to, you know, I'm on the internet, whatever, but Get Great at Golf on Tick Tock. Get Great at Golf. I have 24,000 followers right up. Nothing like Dr. Self here, but, but uh, I have one video and I've done this with 10 or 20 kids, I call it the kid, the stick, and the balloon. I give a two-year-old, three, four, or five-year-old who never played golf before and I say take this stick and hit that balloon. They have a great golf swing, just automatically they have a great swing, but here's where the problem is: a balloon is 30 times larger than a golf ball, then the golf ball is there, and, and golfers of any level, they swing and miss. It's not the swing, it's that the ball is so small, they haven't played enough, they haven't tried enough. You have a good swing; you want to hit the ball solidly, hit a thousand balls and call me in the morning as a doctor would say. You just have to do it a lot and trust your natural Instincts to a great extent.

Dr. Ray: You know, it's interesting you're talking about the natural golf swing. A few months ago, I was watching an old replay of the uh, well, remember there used to be an old show called Shell's Wonderful World of Golf.

Jay: Sure, I’ve seen that many times.

Dr. Ray: They'll do a little replay and I think this one had uh, Chichi Rodriguez on there, you know, playing, and I forgot who the other- it might have been, been Ken Venturi. I believe I was watching Chichi Rodriguez's golf swing and it was a terrible golf swing. I mean, there was nothing classic about it. It didn't resemble Ben Hogan at all but the guy was a successful player, it was his swing. And a lot of these old-timers, looking at their- Arnold Palmer’s swing was kind of strange to me, um, but they were successful. 

Jay: There are many ways, many ways to do it right, and the only thing the ball knows is impact. Just that one, half inch when the club head is attached to the ball hitting it out; and there are many ways to do it. You could pick it straight up in the air and be upright like Jack Nicholas, you could swing it low around you like Ben Hogan, you could swing like Chichi who's, I'm actually friends with Chichi and, and I was actually in his, his house uh, about two weeks ago. He lives in Central Florida now, and also you mentioned Ken Ventura. You know, people think oh, I have a great practice swing, just my swing at the ball isn't good, and he had the greatest tip I ever heard which is similar to my pendulum method of swinging back and forth. He said copy your practice swing. Take a practice swing and copy it. You know, people take a practice swing, then they step up to the ball they go “keep your left arm straight, put your right hand here, put my weight here, put my head here, good luck.”

Dr. Ray: Yeah. You know, it's a, it's just an interesting game in golf, and I know, hey, my Charisma audience here, you know, this is a Christian broadcast. I want to tell you something, I would bet you about three-fourths of my listeners play golf and so this is for you, but golf to me, it, it's a, it's, it's more than a game, it's almost a game of life. Um, I was talking to your friend and my friend Wally Armstrong once and uh, gosh, I got to play a few rounds of golf with Wally…

Jay: And for those of you who never heard of Wally, uh, in his first Master’s, he's about 70 years old now, but in his first Master’s he came in fourth place and he was on tour for about 15 years.

Dr. Ray: Yeah. Terrific guy but he, he said that to me, he said to him, golf will reveal more about the character of a man than any other thing he knew.

Jay: True, so if you don't want to find out the true character of your friends, don't play golf with them. Haha.

Dr. Ray: Yeah, that’s, that's true. I have- mine is kind of interesting story, playing golf at Winter Pines which is- The Winter Pines Golf Club down here is a interesting golf club and course, it holds the world's record for the most rounds of golf in a year, I think it's the second most popular golf in this-  course in the State of Florida.

Jay: That's a bit off but at one time in the 1970s and 80s that was true.

Dr. Ray: Yeah, and that's what, that's what they say, you know, that's the river. But so, when you play at Winter Pines, you get paired up with people so many times. So I get paired, usually, this happened to me multiple times, I'll go down there and because I only live like, you know, less than a mile from the course and I go down, sometimes I'll just take off and go play quick nine holes, they'll pair me up with someone and I'll be with these guys and they're drinking beer and they're cussing like sailors and, you know, blank, blank this and blankety blank that, about the third hole they go, “well hey, Ray, what do you do?” I’ll say “well. I'm a former pastor, I'm a Christian minister,” “ and they go “oh, oh, sorry dude, sorry man, man sorry, I'm sorry.” Haha, it's okay. That happens all the time, so…

Jay: But isn't it a bit religious once in a while don't they use uh, Christ's name?

Dr. Ray: Oh yeah.

Jay: Geez, so it is a bit…

Dr. Ray: Oh, God.

Jay: So it is also a religious experience.

Dr. Ray: Yeah. You hear oh God. Of course, it's a holy game.

Jay: But what people- that's why there's 18 holes…

Dr. Ray: That's right.

Jay: But what people don't realize, the reality is that the ball is so small and it's so hard to hit with the club face- facing the target while moving towards the target after a big, somewhat incorrect swing. It is tough.

Dr. Ray: Yeah. It, it is tough.

Jay: And I say that to beginners all the time, especially kids. They'll swing and miss, I’ll go good, good try. It's not your fault, it's the ball's fault. It's too small. And it's true.

Dr. Ray: It's true, it really is, it really, it really is. I've seen more funny stuff and learned more playing golf and maybe anything else I do in life other, other than ministry. You really do see some interesting, interesting things on the golf course. Well let me ask you a question. So I know golf is your, maybe your centerpiece but you know, you do, you do, you still write. Do you still do children?

Jay: Oh, definitely, yeah, definitely. And I still do everything and I'm still, and when I say I'm unemployed in 30 professions, you know, there's a lot of truth to that. For example, I've written five screenplays, movie scripts, and if there's anyone out there that would like to put up 200 million dollars for one of my movies, it's a good tax loss. How do you get someone to read it? You know, if I, I could write golf books, who's- I did write one with Kathy Whitworth, uh, who recently passed away. The, she won more official tour events than any man or woman. She had 88, Sam Snead, Tiger Woods, Mickey Wright, all that 82, and I wrote a book with her, recently passed away, but I still write and I write songs, I write poems and do artwork and podcasts and, and YouTube and you know, I do as much or more than I've ever done and uh, thank goodness uh, I have time because I- teaching is, is I would call part-time. But whoever said it takes 50 years to become an overnight success was wrong.

Dr. Ray: Yeah. So, it's, what, do you have a favorite? I mean, could you say my favorite thing is to write, my favorite thing is to paint, my favorite thing is comedy, teaching, what- do you have a favorite past time, or?

Jay: Well, uh, I like whatever I'm doing, you know at that moment it's my favorite, but one of the things that,

Dr. Ray: I like that.

Jay: …that I take pride in is that I try to kid around, you know, like we're kidding around a little bit, you know, and…

Dr. Ray: oh…

Jay: and your…

Dr. Ray: Those were jokes about your wife?

Jay: …your fa- you're, you know, you're faking these laughs and you're a good actor a Dr. Ray,

Dr. Ray: I’m, I'm a good fake laugher,

Jay: I can tell.

Dr. Ray: I'm a preacher.

Jay: Ha, ha! But uh, I do like the fact that I kid around at the golf course or if something comes up in a supermarket or talking to this one, or that one, and if I get a chuckle out of someone, you know, it, it feels good. Everyone likes telling jokes if you can remember them because you like getting laughs, etc. So that's one of the things that I do take pride in. But whatever I'm doing at the time, if it's one of my interests, hobbies or skills, that's my favorite at that time.

Dr. Ray: That's, that's a really good word. That's a good word. You know uh, people listening, you know me, I've, I've talked about purpose and our created purpose. You know that, you know the Bible says before we were born in our mother's womb that God knew us and he ordained us to something and you know, so many people think well, my purpose- your purpose is not always ministry. Your purpose can be a lot of things and I, what I think I hear with Jay here that Jay has found his purpose. This is what you were made to do. This is who you are. It's not just something you force yourself to do, you're not a square peg in a round hole. You're actually just being who God created you to be and you're blessing a lot of people.

Jay: And thank you, that, that's a beautiful way of saying it but I would like to say to the people that are listening, and that is, do you realize how many skills you have? Whether it's cooking or driving a car or treating uh, loved ones nicely or being polite or taking care of someone or taking out your clothing or you're great at mowing the lawn or maybe you know more about soap operas than anyone else in your neighborhood. Everyone has so many interests, hobbies and skills and everyone is, is so unique. Go- with God-given skills, but sometimes it's hard to appreciate them in yourself and it's hard to, and once you do, you might think oh, everyone could do that. Well, they can't. You can, you are one of a kind and you are great. Everyone is great and like Ray just said, God put you here with certain skills and to balance off the nature of mankind and that's, that's I think beautiful. 

Dr. Ray: That's just, I mean, everything you're saying is so scriptural and so, so absolutely amazing. And uh, and there's nobody, like you said, I’ve believed this my whole life, there's nobody who can do what you're created to do like you're created to do it. I mean, you're a… I often say you're a tool in God's toolbox and you know, if you ever had a toolbox, if you don't have the right tool for the job, the job's not going to be done very well but I always think that, you know, each one of us, we’re the right tool for the job God's given us to do and God gave you interests. He didn't give you a job, he gave you multiple jobs. He's, okay, you know he had this sense of humor, “well let's just take Jay here, we're going to create this guy named Jay. I know what we'll do, we'll make him into a writer and a poet and a children's book author and an emcee and a comedian and a golf pro and yeah, that's what we'll do,” and you know, Gabriel's looking at God going “say what?”

Both: Laugh.

Jay: But I believe everyone has that.

Dr. Ray: Yeah.

Jay: If you would write down what you do in a day, in the different areas, you also have 50 things that you're really good at. Not that I'm saying I'm really good at it, but that's… everyone has that.

Dr. Ray: Yeah, you're so right. And it, it, and I've often taught this and I bet you you would agree with this, what you're created to do becomes natural for you. It's not hard for you, it's nothing you don't have to force it…

Jay: And it won't be hard for anyone.

Dr. Ray: Right.

Jay: If it's within their uh, talent, in their God-given skills, it's easy for them too.

Dr. Ray: Yeah. It's been a passion in my life because for, so years I worked in an area that I was not called to work in. Um, I wanted to please my parents and so I come out of college and I go into business and I really, I was good at business, I was a good businessman, but I never liked business. I liked making money but I did not like business, it was just not who I was and so it took me till I was about 45 years old to find really what I, was what I, what I enjoyed, what I was created to do and it was ministry. When I found ministry, I came alive and I wish I had found it when I was 18. And I've often said this guys, it's not always what you want to do, it's what you're created to do. That's what you're, where you're going to find your happiness,  that makes sense.

Jay: It does but you don't want to quit your job, everyone.

Dr. Ray: No.

Jay: Not yet, not yet, 

Dr. Ray: Not yet, not yet, not yet.

Jay: But, but that's that's the point that you just made. But it's so hard to find, and it's so hard to earn a living in, in your the area of your love because so many other people, you know. You want to be an artist, good, you know, go on the internet and look up uh, art for sale. There's a million paintings.

Dr. Ray: Yeah.

Jay: that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

Dr. Ray: Right.

Jay: But everyone has abundant amount of skills.

Dr. Ray: That's right. Yeah, well you know, for- it's interesting, for a long time I wanted to be a poet. As a matter of fact, I saw where you're a poet and you write poems about golfing and I think probably other things, and I wrote poetry for a long time and then I just dropped it for some reason about 15 years ago uh, I know it's one thing that you have a passion for well.

Jay: Well that's what I- so I would encourage you to uh, to just write a little story. Maybe it's something we're talking about related to- everyone has different skills. Everyone has skills without taking pills. So re- I don't know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, if you like poetry and you could write religious poems. Simple, short, you know, some poems are only four lines or here's my greatest golf poem: Straight is Great which encouraged me to write another one: Straighter is Greater, which encouraged me to write another one: Straightest is Greatest. But, and that might relate more than, than just to golf, but do it. Encourage Dr. Ray here to start writing religious poetry.

Dr. Ray: Well yeah, I need to take it back up.

Jay: Do it! If you like it, you find some keywords, find words that rhyme to it, go on the internet and uh, and words that rhyme with; it is not too difficult.

Dr. Ray: Well you know, they say I’m a poet but I don't know it but my feet show it because they're long fellas. 

Jay: Wow, that's uh, let me write that down. I have to, I have to say goodbye everyone and write that down, do a painting of it and make a bumper sticker.

Dr. Ray: Haha, yeah. So what's your next uh, what's coming up next and before you go to tell us what's coming up next and I want you also to tell the people listening, downloading this show, uh, best way to contact…if they want to find out

more about you and all that you do and I want to- listen, if, guys, if you're listening to me, Jay is an incredible golf instructor and he's got a lot of videos on it; incredible painter. His paintings just blow me away, I have several in my house, um, just absolutely adore his paintings, and then I love his stories of, of, the comedy, the uh, uh, the acting out, there's a great video of you doing your Vincent van Gogh on YouTube, Jay Golden Vincent Van Gogh,

Jay: Really?

Dr. Ray: You guys need to check this video out, it's amazing.

Jay: Wow.

Dr. Ray:Uh, I'm still blown away by how one guy can accomplish so many different things.

Jay: Everyone does. 

Dr. Ray: But, but yours are all creative. Everything you do is create. Even, even the way you teach golf, and I've been around golf since I was 16 years old and that's at least 10 years ago, everything, but everything you- even the way you teach golf is creative. It's not, it's not like everybody else.

Jay: Well, and nobody's like anyone else and you know, thank you, I appreciate that, but but, one of the things uh, we have a uh, three grandchildren. One of them a six year old girl who has one of the great golf swings, and you can see it on Get Great at Golf on Tick Tock, then we have a 22 month old who since six months old I would stand in front of him and I would take a swing. I'd go “boom, boom”, he would laugh and laugh. All he wants to do is go “boom”, ha ha, and he likes it. The little one is uh, only uh, six months old so I haven't uh gotten him to dedicate himself to golf yet but…

Dr. Ray: Another month or two.

Jay: Yeah. But uh, one of the things that I'm working on right now. A friend of mine, an award-winning videographer, Bruce Smith, is uh, interested in doing a documentary about me. Si- go on and if you go to, go, if you enter Golf's True Renaissance Man, that'll bring you to the Golf Digest article, but he wants to do a documentary as golf's true renaissance man so I'm looking forward to that. And for those of you that have a question or a comment or, or would like to know more about me or where to find out things about me, if you go to Jay golden, j a y g o l d e n, p as in Paul, G is in George, a is in apple, jaygoldenpga@gmail.com and I'll be happy to try to encourage you, maybe a little chuckle, and I would appreciate it. I would enjoy doing that. 

Dr. Ray: Yeah, anyway, it, that's great. And also in the show description, I'll put some contacts uh, that you can see in the description online on how to how to contact Jay or get more information, uh, this article in Golf Digest, Golf's True Renaissance Man. Matter of fact, uh, you can just, you can google Jay Golden and golf and it'll come right up, it's pretty, uh it's pretty amazing. And you know, this is a different kind of show today but I just thought, um, one of the most interesting people I've met in my life is sitting right next-

Jay: In your life?

Dr. Ray: In my life.

Jay: You've always been in this room?

Dr. Ray: Yeah, I never, never, I don't get out much. I mean, I only know four people.

Both: laugh.

Jay: Well that’s a force of many…

Dr. Ray: Yeah.

Jay: And for those of you out there that want to become great golfers and, you know, and you play with people on the golf course, one out of every three people could get great at golf so think of two people that you play golf with, you know it's not them, it's you. You could get great at golf.

Dr. Ray: Ha, ha, I love it. Well, thank you everybody for listening. Uh, Jay, thank you for taking time out…

Jay: My pleasure thank you.

 Dr. Ray: To come to be on the show and uh, um, this is a different show and I think this is going to be a great show. So tell your friends, be sure and share, you know, subscribe, share, go to the, go to my website for the show, that is icmcollege.org, icmcollege.org/selftalk and there you can subscribe, you can write reviews which really helps us, uh, you can get on our email list and see all the shows we've ever done, thank you so much for listening, this is Dr. Ray Self and God bless you.

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