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Hey, what's up world? Welcome
to snack size, the podcast that will
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drag you into your most fabulous life. I'm your host, Lolla Lush,
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has also known as the snack of
the twin cities. I decided for myself
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that I can be whatever I want
to be. So I decided to be
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a drag queen, and if I
can live my dreams, you can to.
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The time has come to believe in
yourself enough to turn your ideas into
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more than mere words. And,
no matter what you were doing in life
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or where you want to go,
I want to help you get there fabulously.
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Our double snack episode starts now.
Ah, Hey, smack, kiss
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the beat dumb, episode five of
Snacksie, beauty, beauty, body face,
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fin beauty face, beauty, body
face fat. Yes, snacks.
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That is the single from our guests
today for our very special double snack episode
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of snacks. Eye, our guests
today needs no introduction. You watched her
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on Rupaul's drag race season seven,
as she, in her words, worked
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that Puss all over the main stage. That's right, we have Jaden do
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your fears here at snack size podcast
today and she's going to share a little
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bit about her life and how she
has found happiness and success. As you
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know, we are all about social
distancing here, so today we are going
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to use that good old phone a
friend. Let's give Jaden Nicoll. Hi,
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Jaden, welcome to sack size.
Hello, I'm so excited to join
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you this week. We are so
excited to have you here. I am
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a very long time fan of Jaden's, which I will talk about and just
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a minute, but first I want
to ask you how are you and how
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are you holding up during everything?
What's going on in your world? Give
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us a little update. So one
thing that a lot of people don't know
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about me is I am an introvert
and an extrovert at the same time.
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So I actually am doing pretty well
with this corona thing, because I do
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have times where I literally block myself
out from social media the Internet and I
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do kind of have time to myself. So in a way this work for
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me because, you know, I'm
already used to blocking things out and just
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focus in on Selfcare, taking care
of myself, making sure that I am
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good, because being a drag queen
can be a very, very draining thing.
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What do you do for Selfcare?
I spent a lot of time just
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listening to music. Music is pretty
much my drug that I don't smoke,
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I don't drink, so for me, my distraction has always been music and
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you know, any emotion that I'm
feeling, I listen to that music.
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For the most part, they kind
of recharge my batteries, I guess you
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could say. It's so important to
recharge your batteries, especially for someone like
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you who, I know, travels
a lot and does a lot of gigs,
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and even if you're not doing a
gigs, you're doing things like recording
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to Po podcast with me. So
you have to you have to recharge those
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batteries. It's so important. One
thing that you have always done, even
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before drag race, is offer tips
and tutorials on how to do drag and
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you cover a variety of different topics, like from makeup to how to brand
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yourself to even how to audition for
drag race. Actually, I don't know
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if you remember this, and I
think it was like seven years ago,
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but but way before you are on
the show, I was in my small
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little hometown and I am sure that
you remember coming up as a queen,
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if you didn't have access to clubs, there was not the Youtube and the
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tutorials that there are now, right, right. So I had googled plus
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size drag queen and you were performing
at play and Nashville and I was just
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like that is what I want to
do. So I messaged you. I
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was like, I need help a
costuming. Do you have anyscessis? And
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you told me to go buy a
sewing machine and on the previous episode of
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this podcast I just talked about how
I learned how to sew in the importance
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of doing that as to invest in
myself. So that actually was because of
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you. So thank you for always
offering advice. Of course, absolutely,
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absolutely. I think new drag Queens
in this daytime and age, they have
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such an advantage. Obviously I was
doing drag before I even saw or new
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about draggers. During that time,
it either you had a drag mother or
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you had to learn on your own
and you didn't have as many influencers and
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youtubers, like there wasn't a such
thing at the time. So I say,
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soak up all your resources that you
can, especially nowadays, because there's
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no excuse for you not to learn
anything. You Got Youtubecom Aka, my
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dragmother. So you are obviously a
very successful person. If you had a
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piece of advice for people wanting to
be successful at whatever they do, what
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would that be? I would say
it's all about focus. It's all about
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focusing on whatever you want to do
and having a passion. But also the
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biggest thing that I would say is
take action. Nothing's just going to come
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to you and don't be envious of
other people. You see other people and
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you want it. You have to
pick yourself up and work for it before
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idea drag. How you even got
into the industry is I am a lighting
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designer. Wow, yeah, uh
Huh. I have my own soot sage
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lighting business called dw innovative, a
program and set up professional, safe lighting
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and and what I do is I
go out and I put up the lights
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and I do parties and weddings and
concerts, like the big lights that move
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around and change colors. That's my
expertise and that's what I was doing and
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ever since I was a little kid, my brother they didn't understand why I
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was just so hardcore into lighting and
I didn't know at that time that this
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was going to be a business.
And now you know, it brings income.
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You know, just by doing what
I love to do, and that's
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lighting. So that would be my
advice. You can't sit and wait for
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someone to make something happen for you. You briefly talk about negativity and I
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know that you've had a lot of
your life. You know before the show
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and you know after the show aired. How do you deal with that and
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how do you ampt yourself up to
keep going and be so successful as you
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are? It's all about who you
surround yourself around. You have to surround
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yourself around positive people and people who
are going to lift you up. If
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you surround yourself around over dramatic people, people who are Catty, it becomes
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too much and honestly, you can't
surround yourself around that because if you surround
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yourself around it, you will be
in drama, you will be put in
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negativity like, for instance, drag
race, was an experience I wasn't truly
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reading for with when it comes to
negativity from a very nice person, you
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are very nice, yeah, you're
lovely, yeah, and then, you
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know, I get on a TV
show and then I get a lot of
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hatred and it used to depress me
because I like why me? But I
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had to realize. You know what, let me focus on my happiness,
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because I am so happy and I'm
so blessed to be in the position that
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I am in right now. So
I'm not going to let other people's negativity
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bother me or bring me down.
That actually leads me into something you would
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said. I watch an interview your
hey queen. I Love Hey Queen.
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You said I have to live my
life for the future. Sitting and thinking
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about your past so much is not
going to get you very far. It's
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all about progress. So, in
light of everything which you said, what
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did you do to continue to progress
yourself? I guess in your art it's
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one word hustling. I have been
working my butt off, even though sometimes
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it's not good enough. You know, I was taking money out of my
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own pocket, flying my own self
to La and doing, I mean show
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after show at the show, back
to back to back, trying to keep
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my face in the spotlight. The
more people see you, the more they'll
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remember you. I don't want to
be that Queen a few years down the
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road and season fifteen that came out, they're like hold on, which one
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is Jaden, even if I'm not
the most popular one, and like Princus,
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I don't get paid the money that
a lot of the other drag race
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girls get. For me it's different. You know, I still make all
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my costumes. What I like to
have designers, absolutely in the future.
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That's what I'm looking forward to,
is having professional designers to do my own
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costumes and sell me some hair.
But in the meantime, if I can't
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afford it, I'm going to say, you know what, no, I'm
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going to do this costume myself because
I can make it bigger and better it
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will. I won't say better,
because sometimes my my designs aren't better,
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but I should at least bigger for
less money. I guess that's what I'm
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trying to say. A couple things
that I hear you saying. Is One,
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that you invested in your challenge,
which I think is amazing, and
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that's one thing I've always noticed about
you, is that you are really hands
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on in your process. But the
other thing I'm hearing, and that I
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really want the listeners to pick up
on, is that you are not letting
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your circumstances define what you're going to
do. My favorite part about making my
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own garments is when I come around
the corner or out of the curtain,
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when the spotlight first hit and the
audience sees you for the very first time
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and they see you're outfit and you
get that initial crowd reaction. That's what
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makes it work. Wow, it's
great that you say that, because I
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actually tell a lot of young queens
that is what keeps me so in transfer
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drags that moment just right when the
music started and it's getting doing. He's
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so magical. So I'm really glad
that you highlighted that because I hope that
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people, whatever they do, they
will know that they are on their path
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and doing the right thing if they
have a magical moment like that. So
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on the show you had your coming
out to your family. Can you talk
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about what their support meant to you
and is that support still around the day
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and how that fulfills you in life
today? So a little background is I'm
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very, very, very close to
my family. My Dad and my mom
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is separated, but my dad is
overly supportive of me as of now.
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You know my mom. She is
the one I was most worried about,
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to be honest. She's very religious
and you know. And then I have
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three older brothers. I thought my
brothers actually, would you know, they
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were going to be the ones who
didn't like me or like wouldn't talk to
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me. Well after it aired,
my mom was the one that was,
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you know, more kind of like
angry and upset, and my brothers were
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very, very exciting to the thing
that shocked me more than anything it's my
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oldest brother, Brian. He was
like he called me, he's like hey,
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where are you, and I was
like, Oh, I'm out of
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town. They were just like oh
well, oh, I was going to
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see if you come over for the
viewing party. And I said viewing party,
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and he was like yeah. I
was like okay. Well, what
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are you watching? Football? Like
no, because literally, like that's the
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only time we get together in the
family and watch something football. It was
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like no, to watch you like
on TV, and I was like what
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you know, and it's crazy to
me that like they even tuned in to
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watch it was crazy my family.
They asked me, why are you acting
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like that on TV, and I
said, well, what do you mean?
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They were like you have more of
a list, you are moving your
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hands, you're acting feminine on TV. Why are you acting like that?
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That's not you. And the thing
I had to tell them was. Well,
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Y'all have known me for x amount
of years, but y'all actually truly
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don't know that that's always been me. It's just that when I was around
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my family, I was more quiet, I didn't use my hands, I
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watched the way I talked, to
things that I said, and that's been
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happening literally my entire life. I
have always connected with that part of your
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story. But one thing that I
didn't know that I think is super at
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least important to me, is that
I don't want to say that it's just
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in black families, because I feel
like every family you have to deal with
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a coming out story. But in
black families I've always felt a need that
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if you were gay or you were
feminine, you had to police your body
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around them, like how you act
and how you move your hands, and
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so I didn't ever feel one hundred
percent myself until I was able to have
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that moment where I was able to
say, you know, this is who
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I am, and then I just
felt like, you know, this whole
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other person came out that is super
feminine and stuff like that. But I
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knew as a child that that wasn't
the right thing to do and it's like
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you graining you. This is the
way a man acts, and one of
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the best things about being a drag
queen is that it allowed me to discover
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myself without any rules. I mean
we do have rules in the dry community,
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but in terms of like gender and
you know, how to act,
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those rules don't really exist for us. Let's talk about what is next for
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you. Do you have any siety
projects coming up? You know, I
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live in Nashville, sin a fee, and this city is pretty monopolized as
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far as work for Black Queens.
You know, it's just harder to work
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as a black queens here. It
it you have to work ten times with
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hard a lot of black queen are
very talented but they've been sitting at home.
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Can we talk about that? I
find myself here in Minneapolis in the
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same struggle, where the game is
different for Queens of color. What are
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your thoughts and your experience on why
that is? Oh my gosh, I
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could talk about this for an hour
and and a half. Famic, I
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can to grow like summarize it in
hit point, but like I noticed that
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even every single drag ray season that
comes out, if you notice, it
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seems like the Queens of color in
order for them to be a favorite or
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succeed, they have to, I
mean, jump in and out of hoops,
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or they have to be a certain
type of black queen. You know
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one thing that angered me my season, when it comes to it, as
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we were in untook and I was
upset at by the Chopski. Some of
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it they didn't show, but by
that had a major attitude. So when
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I went to untook, I like
to beat the people in a calm manner.
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You know, I'm not a hot
head or anything like that. So
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when I spoke to her, you
know, it's just like I was angry
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and you know, I was just
like like, I'm going to talk to
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her, though, as an adult. So I'm choosing my word so I
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don't come off because I don't want
to become or be viewed as an angry
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black girl, because I'm not.
So I'm sitting here and I'm just talking
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to her and unsust and I was
like hey, violet, like I honestly
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felt like you did. Blah,
blah, blah, Blah Blah. Well,
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you know, she kind of come
in it back and she was just
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kind of like nonchalant and blew it
off. So I didn't think anything big
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of it, but some people were
commenting online saying who Jaden is so scared
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of her, she's so scared.
Oh, it's a lose lose situation,
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because if I would have popped off
on her, then y'all have that angry
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black girl, the angry black girl. Yes, if I speak to her
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calmly and I and I try to
say, you know what, let me
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not get any emotions and let me
try to have a calm, adult,
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mature conversation, then it becomes a
BH. Well, she's so scared.
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Oh, but it also it's like
when a non black girl a lot of
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times when they get an attitude,
people are like yes, like who she
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told her, yes, ma'am,
and then when a black girl does it,
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it's more like, oh my God, really girl, Oh, she's
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so angry. You know, it's
very frustrating. Have you gotten the now?
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You're difficult to work with? Um? Well, not me personally,
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but I do see that that is
a thing that happens and I've seen many
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other girls as well with it.
Oh, they're difficult to work with.
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Oh, they're difficult to work with. Some of them are, but there
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are a lot of girls who are
not difficult to work with. It's just
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that y'all have a very low tolerance
for certain girls, if that makes it
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there, if they're of color,
if the yeah, MMM, if there
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are cold. It's very frustrating and
it's something even off the show. It's
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what I did with that's why I
don't work at play anymore. When I
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was on cast there, I never
felt appreciate it not by the crowd,
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not Bible Bartenders, not by the
step, but by two people in management.
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It was like I could never be
enough, no matter what I did,
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no matter how long I work there. Since two thousand and eight I
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was never enough, and that's the
way I felt. Do you remember a
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specific moment where you said I've had
enough and I'm going to find better for
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myself? So absolutely. It actually
happened after dreg race and it was actually
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my last night of being there.
If I am having a disagreement with the
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other person, I like to step
in that other person's shoes and say,
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let me see their side as well
and see if I can kind of get
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my emotions on on a level to
where I can kind of understand. And
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you know what, when I was
working there, I found myself doing that
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all the time and it got to
the point where I know they are working.
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You know, I told the owner
and I said, you know what,
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enough is enough in Nashville. There's
only one gay club here. You
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don't have other options. It's like, well, if you're not working here's
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you're not working anywhere else. And
it goes back to the thing where I'm
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excited about in the future. ME, my drag daughter and my drag sister.
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We are pretty much a girl group. We call ourselves the mystic.
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We have a website or which is
the misfits dragcom and what we're doing is
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we're showing Nashville that we could be
successful. We started our own brunt shows
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over now, over a year ago
and we had a full year of sold
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out brunches. I mean it's been
amazing. When we went in to negotiate,
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I sat down with the owners of
its place called disconsider, which is
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a sidery. It is a all
inclusive place. They have like food and
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fighter but they wanted a drag brunch
there and we stepped in and we've been
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selling out those brunches every single month
for the past year. Everything has been
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so amazing and so great. And
the fact of the matter is is we
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come full circle with this whole thing. Like we call ourselves misfit because we
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didn't fit in in the city,
quote unquote, but not because of the
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people, not because of the crowd, because the crowd is always loved us.
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It's only because of people in management
at that one place. But now
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that we're gone, look at what
we're doing. What I love about that
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story is that you did not wait
for an opportunity to come to you,
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you know, you knocked once on
the door and then beat it down and
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made it happen. And I think
that when it talks about achieving your goals,
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being successful in life, sometimes that
is what it takes. You have
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to create your own opportunities for your
own path, and don't be scared to
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do it, because I'm sure it
was probably frightening, you know, losing
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the Gig that you always knew and
then go on into your own thing.
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But with all this success, it
was definitely the right choice. So do
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not be afraid to go out there
and make it happen for yourself. Well,
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I'll be honest, we were all
scared. We were, I mean,
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we were so nervous. We already
knew that it was going to be
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a good a good amount of people. We had a line furtling around the
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building and then the flotlight came on
and I came out and when I tell
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you, it was the most exhilarating
thing. And then the following month was
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like, Oh, I hope it's
just as good as the last month.
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And it just proved time and time
again, keep working for keep working hard
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for what you want to do.
It's not going to be easy, but
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it's so worth it. An end
you. But you have to realize you
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have to become a business woman or
business a businesswoman had yeah, I want
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to ask you one more question.
What advice would you have, as who
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you are now, to your younger
self? Just be yourself more like I
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feel like I lost out on so
many years of my life, you know,
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pretending to be someone who I wasn't, because I do wish, if
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I could take one thing back,
I wish that I was out before I
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even got on direct but who knows? I needed a story line, so
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who knows me if I didn't have
it? So thanks, Rupaul, and
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what a beautiful, beautiful storyline it
is. Thank you, so much for
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sharing. If you want more jading, you can follow her at Jaden fierce
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on instagram. Yes, and also, if you guys can follow our girl
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group misfits drag, we also have
a podcast coming up there as well.
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So yeah, check out the MISSTITCH
DRECOM and I'm really excited about that.
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So if you guys follow that,
that would be a huge blessing. I
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definitely am gonna Follow and when Miss
Rona decides to give us a break,
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honey, I'm going to come check
out the show for sure. I cannot
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wait to see it absolutely. Thank
you so much, Dadd for coming to
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snack size and I hope you stay
safe and healthy, and thank you,
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snacks for listening. We will see
you all next time. Feel vibe.
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