SNW "Those Old Scientists" w/ Trek Untold

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I am your fleet admiral and host Julian Brown alongside the best bridge crew this side of a fishing cabin on set lake two with a damn good bottle of whiskey. 

Um I wish I had one right here but I don't.
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 Do you have your little 3D printed model by you somewhere?
 Maybe it's somewhere.
 It's that way you don't have to go up.
 He's, he's actually going to go get it.
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 Captain Giraffe is here channeling that Mariner aura energy.
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 Uh Yeah. 

So speaking of MC is uh Commander MC is just landing or just landed on one of those bad CTO shuttles that's always breaking down. 

So couldn't make it on the pit.
 We couldn't quite make it work with the video and the audio. 

So, uh we are believe we agreed right before the pod started, we're going to do an S DC C wrap up on Wednesday. 

So we'll see her there and she could talk about her thoughts on this episode because I know she really wanted to talk about this one. 

I don't blame her.
 Um But she will be here for that knock on wood also joining us on our view screen. Our very dear friend and host of Trek Untold.
 Looking Good in Science Blue.
 Just like a good o'ryan Matthew Kalo.
 Welcome back, my friend.
 How you been?
 I'm doing good.
 I am so good that I am ready to do the chou dance.
 Not, not only am I ready to do the chou dance?
 I'm willing to do the choo choo choo dance because I'm feeling animated tonight.
 I am always ready to chew chew chew.
 I love it.
 I love it.
 That was awesome.
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She was literally showing us her butt off. So, you know.
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I have like a, I bought a super cool like uh what do you call shorts? 

And it's pretend this workout killed me. 

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Right. 

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Indeed.
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Um I'm gonna try and push through as fast as possible so we can get to the episode. 

Let's do, I did put in a stranger loop because I felt like we had to. 

So let's do it. 

And the stranger Loop this week youtube Collective let us know your answers too. 

If you knew you couldn't get into any trouble for it. 

What is one thing if you were from the future that you would share with the crew of Pikes Enterprise who wants to go first? 

I know like you didn't have the outline to read like hours beforehand this time. 

So that wouldn't have mattered. 

I got one for you guys hit it. 

Enjoy real booze while you can because coming soon to a starship near you, that's, I don't think any of us need to go. 

That's the best answer. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yep. 

Yep.
 Uh Anybody else, anybody else?
 Um Chateau Picard wine does not get better.
 I think that all boos related boo related related. Enjoy it while you have it.
 Uh I would add the food one. 

Enjoy your burger before Kirk just uh starts with the food cubes. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 That's a good one. 

Like I enjoy the, the, the amazing lounge and bar that there is in the Enterprise right now and like all the, the superb, like sandwiches and beautiful drinks you're getting because like an era of very strict plastic goblets, food cube is coming towards you. 

That's why our assistant there later. That's right.
 She was like, fuck this.
 I'm getting the star base position. I'm a war hero. 

Like I'm not gonna eat food cubes. 

Like, should we warn them about the feces apples and discovery? 

Let them, let them have their dreams. 

I mean, I'd have trouble like, you know, thinking of anything to share because I don't want to break the timeline. 

That's the only thing I, I about the only thing I want to share with them. 

And that is the one thing I'd like somebody from the future to come and share with us. 

And that, that even though everything looks like it's on the tip of, you know, going over the edge and that, that it's gonna be all right. 

You serious? Oh my God. 

See, that's the one like if somebody comes from the future, I don't want to know that I want to know the booze and the food thing I'd be like, I'm gonna stuck up gonna like use like dried like aged meat. 

I don't know. 

I'm gonna like have that in my somewhere. 

You're just gonna have like a fridge like a set temperature, right? 

Or like your own private size. 

You can have like your own star black market contraband, all the food contraband. 

This episode tonight is going to literally be giraffe channeling all of her Mariner energy I'm just putting that out right now. 

Ok? 

You want to know like once everybody watched that episode, the number of messages that I received saying Mariner meeting made me think of you. 

It's true though.
 Like so yeah, we have, we have no, I wouldn't either.
 We have some good answers to the chat.
 MC is chatting with us tonight that you can't be on the show.
 Spock.
 You're disconcerting when you smile Haven.
 I would tell him all about two vics and how there are millions of people who love him. Uh Remind me to Ban Haven later.
 Uh K Quinn K quid writes, I do.
 What did I'd have to break him and chapel up.
 I'm sorry.
 Um MC L says, maybe tell Chappe to be more Saic.
 That's good.
 Uh Don't buy any real estate on Romulus from K too soon, too soon. 

Maybe not too soon. 

Yeah. 

Stock up on Romel Ale when you can, uh the gorn aren't evil. 

So, uh overnight Joe Kirk dies on the bridge. 

Don't tell anybody that don't, don't break. 

Hey, I skipped Tara. 

Apparently I didn't see Tara's. 

It's don't feed the triples, don't feed the tribbles that, that could get you in some trouble though. 

That could get you in trouble.
 The tribbles need to happen.
 So Cisco can come later and also bring triples to Ds nine. 

So just saying, um, for me, I would just tell people not to freak out when the Klingons go from being bald to then having hair again and ridges to then having black face and no ridges to then having ridges again. 

It's a very long and complicated history as Wharf says we don't talk about it. Simple.
 Done.
 OK. 

Klingons like to change how they look. It's all good.
 It's all good.
 It's all good. 

Anybody else?
 Good, good, good, good, good, good Michael Quad. 

Short sell Klingon Energy Futures. Goddamn.
 Goddamn.
 I like these. 

Oh, I love it. 

I love it. 

Can't see. 

Oh Tara, Tara uh let's get into it guys. 

It is our review of the strange new world Star Trek lower deck cross over those old scientists. 

Our order tonight will be our amazing guest, Matthew, followed by Eric Hawk. Uh MC is not here.
 I did have her on the outline and I didn't have Draff on.
 Uh so Draff take M C's Place, Matthew, Eric Hock Draff myself. 

Let's do this one.
 Do you think there'll be ta ons?
 Do you think they'll be Tachyons?
 That's right.
 The lower decker.
 This episode starts off like an episode of lower decks which is awesome. Uh Led by Mariner.
 They go down to investigate the portal. 

Shenanigans are had Spock impersonations are made and as a hollow picture is being taken, the portal activates sending boiler to the past only to see in live action number one. 

Spock and LA on Q the coolest animated redo of a Star Trek intro ever made. What did we think about the Cold Open and the intro being animated? Matthew go off.
 I know how excited you are, man. 

Oh, my goodness. 

I really need paramount to release these opening animations without any text on them just straight up. 

Just yeah, we need the animation.
 Uh It was glorious.
 Everything about it was glorious.
 That was a really nice, unexpected surprise. Uh was not expecting that at all. 

To be honest, I feel like I should have, but I didn't.
 Uh and I loved all the little Easter eggs that were thrown in there. 

I mean, we still had the little, the sucking entity that's attached to the enterprise that was just chef's kiss boy just wants to eat. 

He, he's a hungy, he's a hungy boy.
 Uh You got space koala as well.
 II I marked out for the space koala and uh yeah, all around.
 Just awesome.
 And um I have something else.
 I want to point out about the animation, but I might save it until we get to the last act. So I just want to say that overall, this was just my God. 

But I, I was gonna say the best part of the show and I'm like, no, no, we still have like 45 minutes to talk about here. 

So, no, love it.
 I love it.
 Uh Eric.
 Um It was great.
 I loved the, the animated intro, felt like it came out of lower deck. The, the redone intro. 

Sequence was again, like Matt said it was Chef's Kiss. 

It was beautiful. 

Like I loved it. 

It, it looks so good and it fit in the, it didn't look out of place like it wasn't like them just redrawing the enterprise just to be like, just to put it out there. 

But they did like a phenomenal job.
 Everything looks so good and it fits so well in the lower deck though. 

Everybody said that it gave off like a really hard core tas vibe like the way they animated it. 

I didn't feel that I felt it was more lower as well. 

It was, it was way more lower dex if they had done something like maybe when they were traveling through time that they like briefly turned into a Tas style character. 

That would have been fun.
 That would have been funny.
 Yes, that would have been good.
 Um The uh bo falling out of the portal into live action was so funny. Like seeing him just be live action. 

I didn't watch the trailer like I like, I like, I, I'll watch the trailers because I, I wanna be surprised and seeing him just like all this time. 

I like the plague man. 

I just, I just, I just stopped anything and like him passing out and just seeing his heroes and just being like, oh you look real out. 

I was like, oh fuck, that's, that's perfect. It was great.
 I loved it.
 I love it uh great hold open. 

I like that. 

They just kind of went in straight to lower dice because one of the things I was wondering about is like, how jarring is it gonna be like the different writing styles for the shows? 

Right? 

To merge. 

So I'm glad that it just started with them. 

Then, you know, the obvious Q of bo reading, you know, the cap his and that, you know, to himself and the fact that it just didn't waste any time. 

And that once he got over boom, we were in there and we were, we were there for it. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, I agree. 

Uh, Norman Buckwald in the chat asked, was it the same squid that clung both the enterprise and the Cerritos long lived species? 

I think it's the same squid.
 I think it's the same squid.
 I think that squid died when it detached.
 Really?
 I thought he just got enough energy and was going to go hang out at Star base one. 

But he, uh, he, he dimmed, he dimmed like his light. I was like, that's not a, that's dark.
 He went in battery saving mode.
 That's all that was. 

Yeah. 

He's gonna wake up at 100 and 20 years and then cling onto the CTO. 

Yeah. 

Like a, uh, like a from, uh, from Discovery the season one of discovery. 

The, the, the damn microscopic bugs. 

Thank you. 

God. 

Yes. 

Tar bugs. 

I know they're not bugs, microscopic organisms. 

I'm sorry. 

I'm sorry. 

I know they're not bugs, um, cuddly bacteria bears. 

They are. 

They are. 

They are. 

Uh, yeah, I, the, the intro honestly got me more than anything else. 

But I do have to say like they could have started this in live action and the fact that it starts in lower deck was perfect. 

I think it was the only way they should have done it. 

And I'm glad they did. 

I like, even for a few minutes, we do get 10 and Rutherford and they're just 10 and Rutherford like Ruford is excited about. 

It's amazing. 

Uh But yeah, to just see boy, boy and be like, oh you guys pass out was just, just glorious and all hail all bow down. 

We, we praise be space koala. Yes.
 Yes.
 Yes. 

I, I forgot to mention like from the Get Go, the music that NAMI made sounded just like lower deck like she married the two styles so well, it was so good. 

I think we could say this. 

She can yell at me if we can't. 

But I think she like, everybody knows about how Hollywood like these things are, are hard to do but like the lower X theme like anything like getting the rights is expensive. 

So they couldn't use the lowered X theme on this.
 She came so close and like you didn't need it for how close she made it sound. So tip of the hat.
 NAMI is always freaking amazing.
 Um Let's move on.
 Right.
 Wakes up and says, OK, good.
 Thank you.
 Thank you for having me on the podcast, I suppose. 

Did I skip you first question? You already skipped me. Yes, let's go.
 Tradition Draff. 

I skied. 

I'm already like, I'm dead and I need to keep up. 

Um No, nothing to add. 

Uh, just that, um, I would have so loved for it to be a surprise. 

Like, imagine just like watching the next episode and being what that like, that would have been awesome. 

Like I knew what they were going to do and it was nice and, you know, I saw it on the whole age with like everybody and everybody was super pumped, especially when like, we're like, wait, it's animation. 

Oh my God, that's so cool. 

But imagine, imagine not expecting it. 

And that's why I, I'm sad that they announced the musical. 

Right? 

Could you imagine if that happened? 

It's also a little bit though on if you're on like Truck Twitter a lot, like the worst kept secret. 

Um Yeah, they have been teasing it but, but still, no, I know what you're saying. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

It just, just like, it's been a year, like if they could have like, waited, I don't know, maybe two months ago or when they announced the eu that would have been way better. 

Like right now for a year, everybody had like, time to like, just imagine everything and we all already imagine that. 

You know what I mean? 

So, it was cool to see, but it was not like the same of like having the real surprise of it a year is a long fucking time. 

There's no surprise anymore, you know? No, I, I agree with that.
 I don't agree.
 That's why I stopped watching trailers. That is why I stopped. 

No, seriously. 

Like, I, I remember watching the Phantom Menace the first time being like, well, they showed the whole movie in the trailers. 

I was already disappointed in the movie.
 But then to be realized that I'd seen the whole movie be in trailer for him. I was like, fuck.
 Yeah. 

And, and to be honest, like, like for example, Picard, we didn't know what it was until the end, you know, until like episode what seven or something and like that suspense like that. 

Oh my God, what it's gonna be was like so enthralling.
 Uh I would have loved for it to be.
 I, I was surprised fair.
 I like, I know it's impossible, but I would have a love for you to be surprised. That's fair. 

I wanna add this because I, I talked to um one of my guests come, a friend of mine as well. 

Uh Lb sells Nick. 

He was on Trek and told a little while ago uh he was in Star Trek three different times and he's been watching all the new Treks. 

He's a fan of Star Trek. He's got Paramount. 

Plus he's watching and he's never actually seen Lower Deck and he didn't see a preview for this. 

So he messaged me and he was like, I don't know what's happening, but I loved it. 

That's awesome. 

You know, we're, we're all trek, we're all invested in this world. 

But for folks who are outsiders like that, I mean, a little bit of confusion at first maybe, but I, I feel like for the most part they're all on board now. 

Yeah, that is cool. That is cool. 

I've seen a few people on Twitter be like, I've never seen a single episode of lower deck and now I'm gonna go watch the whole thing. 

So, yeah, exactly. 

Yeah. 

Uh Let's talk about waking up in Sick Bay. 

I do, I have to say real quick. 

I love that moment in the hallway where they're like, yeah, it's like the communicator and the delta are the same thing and Pike's like, but flipping, it's like the best part. 

I, I love that. It's true. 

Uh He wakes up at Sick Bay to see Captain Pike, who knows already that he's from the future. 

He gets all embarrassed in front of number one. 

goes over some protocol about temporal mechanics with Laon, uh talks Tricorder with Banga down on the planet Rikers Pikes saddle in the most glorious way possible. 

Uh And just among a bunch of other shit that he does to break all of the rules of time travel um because he's boom. 

Um What do we think about his lack of being able to control himself? Met?
 Oh, boom, boom.
 Uh I loved every second of this. 

He was such a horrible person at keeping the protocols set. 

I mean, uh I, I, I'm trying to like pinpoint a singular line that he said every, everything, every single thing he said was just gold. 

I think for me, the part I did like the most was actually when he was on the planet with Bea and Spock and he's like Fanboy over a tricorder and he's like, oh and yeah, these are great. 

They, they, you know, except from exploding and, and Bea's reaction is just like perfect acting right there. 

Like that's how you be a straight man to the wackiness of the lower deck people. That was like one of the highlights again of the episode. 

And uh I think highlights gonna be that drinking work site where every time I say that take a drink. 

But um do so with your own caution because you'll probably be dead by the next 20 minutes. 

I did a drinking game in our, in our watch along at this on the, on the discord of every time boy and boy did a boy, boy scream. 

So yeah, yeah. 

Uh Eric, when Ler wakes up and tries to turn off the whole deck program and then proceeds to try and hide the fact that he's from the future is some of the funniest things I've ever seen. 

Like, he's like, yes, five digits totally normal. 

I was like, fuck, man.
 He would be the worst person to keep a secret. 

Um That being said when he, that holds everything that you've said up until, was it the, the, I guess the I Yeah, what fan boy would not freak out to live on, like live amongst their heroes, right? 

I, I would be the same and I'm trying to think of who I would like if I went back in time and then I had to, you know, not spoil anything. 

I would, I would still freak out around all these people. 

I would ride the saddle. 

Fuck. 

Yes, I would, I would, I would touch old technology to see how it, how it works and like, oh, this looks new. 

Like when we look at old, I, I found an old, like 2 86 computer at my parents' house and I was like, oh my God, this is turn it on and I kept on touching things. 

I was like, this computer is gonna explode if I keep poking at it. Like I would do the same if it was new.
 Oh, man, that'd be so good.
 It was, yeah, he, he was perfect. 

Like perfect fan boy.
 Um We knew this was coming, right?
 I mean, like lower deck is a series and that is like, you know, the ultimate kind of fan. 

Boy freak out because there's references to the, to, you know, old star throughout the entire thing, you know, especially from like the characters from Boer and Mariner and all down the line. 

So this is perfectly exactly how Boyer was gonna act, waking up and, you know, having Spock and kept pike and una una was the funniest because I was thinking, what does he know about her? 

Right. 

I got worried. 

Yeah, me too. 

It's like he's just, he was just avoiding eye conduct, avoiding talking to her. 

And I was like, oh God, what does he know? 

Why is he reacting like that to her? 

Yeah, we, we find out later the saddle bit was hilarious. 

Come on. 

Yeah, giraffe. 

Yes. 

Yes. 

Uh No. 

Everything you said basically again, I had seen that scene like 15,000 times by the time I saw it. 

So I knew what was going on, um, which is, you know, I should do like Eric and not watch the thing, but I can't stop myself from watching what the first trailer and nothing else afterwards. 

That that is your tradition.
 That is your tradition.
 Uh But the good thing is that we have a date, right? Which is, does anybody remember the date?
 20 2 54?
 That's wrong.
 I'm going to pull it up while you keep talking heaven. Heaven.
 What's the date? 

Where are you? 

Because there's one thing important in that episode and MC is not here. 

So I'm gonna be here. 

She's in the chat though. 

Anybody has the date or not. 

Nobody. 

Ok, we finally have a birth date for Uhura because she says she's 22. 

He gives the log date at the beginning. 

So we have finally a Canon date for her birth which so far has been just like a lot of like speculation. 

Um So uh that, that's really cool. That's really cool. 

I was just gonna say give or take a year because we don't know if her birthday had happened yet. 

Yeah, but it's way better than having nothing at all. 

Like we're speaking about a character that didn't have a first name until 2009, you know, and a birthday until 2023. 

So we're getting there and yeah, and after like all the little like, you know, like jokes like the writer, all the friends is like that cracked me up. 

Um and it's, it's fan service done well in the idea that it doesn't affect the plot at all. It just had to be dumb.
 Um So I really appreciated that.
 Oh, here we go. 

22 91.6. So 22 59. 

So do the math.
 22 30 37.
 Which is interesting because yeah, anyway, here we go.
 Now you you can there's math happening in the chair.
 I pulled it up and I couldn't haven is our data.
 So yeah, this episode takes place literally three days after they visit Ds nine.
 What?
 Uh, in, in lower X?
 Yeah, it takes place in season two or three Ds nine in season three or two.
 I forget it's season three.
 So, 22 37 and, and Spock is born in 22 33.
 So that means that he's 20 seven, which is hilarious because even Becky is like 37. That is really funny when, uh, when he's 22 I think.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 So.
 Ok.
 Um I want to read some comments on the chat.
 We got some good ones.
 Um Leave it to where they go.
 I lost them already.
 The chat's just like uh Jim mcman.
 It's count on Boer to not be able to follow the temporal prime directive facts. 

Uh Michael Quan Pike's description of Boyer as a toddler is the best work honor, worse, worse honor. 

It's very true. 

Um Yes, if I was, I would have touched Pike to, yeah, I would have touched, I'm surprised he didn't touch his hair. 

That's what I would have gone for right away. 

Yeah, I do. 

I love this scene and my favorite line is what? 

And uh Pike, I forget exactly what Pike says. 

Oh, yeah, you don't look a day over 100 boy just like Jack Queen goes so high with his voice. 

He goes, oh, funny, Captain. Funny.
 Captain.
 What's going on? 

I'm just like, oh my God, you freaking nerd. I love you so much.
 It was so good.
 Um, loved everything about that. 

Let's, uh let's get to Boer on the bridge, right? Because he still can't handle himself. 

Pike just keeps rolling his eyes, which will be some of Anton Mount's best face, like, you know, just any kind of like movement acting. 

Uh throughout this entire episode, he keeps rolling his eyes and thinking that he's helping the team, um, tells Pike it's an Orion ship. 

Uh and when they lock favors, uh Boer tries to convince Pike it's a science vessel even 

though he doesn't actually know. 

Um But yeah, the Orion steal a portal and Pike is just done. 

He's just having a bad day. 

Uh What do we think about? 

I know we kind of talked about it a bit already but boy, boy, boy, boy learning this hard with the Orions, Matthew boy Moore Dun Ed. 

Uh and it's to be expected because he's still freaking out a little bit here. He still hasn't really gotten himself any decorum. 

I mean, he has enough decorum not to fondle Pike's hair, but still not enough to know his place on that bridge. 

Uh But, you know, going back to what you were saying a moment ago, Julian about Pike himself, you know, about an and Mount this scene was really him in so many ways because he is like the crux of the comedy here and it's all his little gestures and all those little movements like the way he's just looking at Boyo, like pike is an annoyed parent and Boyo is his child who just can't stop fidgeting. 

There's so many great facial expressions and there's, they're very subtle, they're very tiny, but they're very, very effective. 

And I, I spoke to on my podcast, Melissa Navia not too long ago and Christina Chang and we talked about the Kingdom and again, both them just kind of talked about an and Mountain how good he is at comedy, how funny he is. 

And it's, it's true.
 I mean, he knows how to do this, the littlest things to produce the greatest effect. So to me that's really what stud the most in this particular part.
 But yeah, blame.
 We're gonna blame.
 Yeah. 

Um Eric, before you go, I want to add, add a part of the question for you specifically because um I was listening to another podcast, I was listening to Gate Gates mcfadden's podcast investigates when ant was on and Gates mcfadden teaches and is 

a big lover of clown and in acting. I never did any, any clown study. 

Um I don't know if you did either, but was this, was this classified as some of the stuff he does in this episode as clown or is this something else? 

And also what did you think about? I don't think so. 

He's just, he's good at reacting in general like if you watch him in anything, like even when he was in hell on wheels, like, yeah, he had the greatest facial expressions you can go back to Crossroads. 

He had to act against Britney Spears and he was believable. Um So, you know, he's a good actor.
 Um I don't think it's clown.
 I think that's just he has good timing. 

Like he has fantastic timing. 

Even like when we did the episode, his facial expressions killed me. 

That whole thing. 

It was my, probably my favorite part of that whole episode that made me upset most of the time. 

Um But um uh this, why, why can we talk about that for such a long time? 

Um Even even like the the other crew members like the reactions to boiler on the bridge was was brilliant like Ortegas being like, oh yeah, I am a war hero. 

Hell yes or um uh the what would, what would happen after the dash comes after the dash? 

I was like, fuck man. These are great. 

These are great little clips and they all feel like strange new worlds mixed with lower deck like it's they, they fit so like it fits for the their characters. 

It doesn't feel overly lower deck or anything like that.
 Um I think, I think boiler did know it was a science festival. 

I think he trusts teddy enough right to believe her and be like, yes, that is a science festival. 

Yeah. 

Um You know, pike on the other hand, not sure with his toddler on the bridge, you know who wouldn't just stay in one spot. 

So, yeah, Bos is boiling and that, it's, it's awesome. He's definitely Boma Boling.
 Absolutely.
 Uh, an mount is a great straight man. 

I think that might be the, what you guys were searching for. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's Martin to like, you know, uh, Lewis basically. 

I don't know, he, he's, he's too, he's too sarcastic to be just a straight man. 

Straight man. 

Usually doesn't get the joke right. 

As a straight man usually reacts off the funny person. 

Right. 

You know, and they, you know, but it doesn't mean they don't make a good joke or a good Leon line on it. 

And that, no, it's just that they come off as kind of, the more straight, you know, straight edge and, you know, a little, but I can go up with the humor there so that there's, I don't know, I, I agree with you but I also disagree anyways. 

I love this scene.
 It's he, you know, he, despite the fact that he's in the past and that, and, you know, he's 

really supposed to just keep his mouth shut and let these events play out, he can't help. He needs to help.
 Right.
 Exactly. 

So, and yes, he did know and that just based on, you know, everything he said and that he made the supposition that yes, this had to be the Orion ship that found it first. 

You know, it couldn't be that much of a coincidence that there orions there just at that time, even though, although there was a lot of Orion piracy as, you know, pointed out. 

Um, boy is pretty sure that was the, and you know, that and great, great grandmother was on there. 

Um, and yeah, I love basically the appeal to pike and that it's like you're known for your diplomacy and for your passion and for patience and your great hair. 

Yeah, great hair and then Spock just looks like, which is hilarious when you look at Spock's hair. 

So there's definitely cultural just get the classic cut, right? It was so handsome in Discovery Season to come on. The draft got so excited.
 She froze. 

I love it.
 Keep going.
 Uh But yeah, even even him trying to help and that inadvertently changes everything. No, I think it was like one of the most interesting part of the episode.
 For me, the question, the oran discourse I know. 

Um because it's so one thing that I will say that like kind of like slightly pissed me off is that they put the conversation with Pike and the Orion Pirate that we saw in the Syrian squad in the, in the, you know, previously. 

Yeah, which is like, hey, remember Pike is going to, to react like this because he had 

this encounter and I'm like, it should have been like a little bit clearer into the episode that Pike has is already, has already started to question his bias towards the Orion because of the encounter on the Syrian Squaw. 

And I do believe that yes, they were pirate. 

But yes, he saw something in that captain conversation they had, I started like to make him question what he thought he knew about Ori. 

And I think it would have been like a little bit better if it was not that subtle. 

Um Look at me asking for less subtlety uh and same thing for beer because he was like, man, explain Ori to 10 and it took Mara to be like me on that one, believe her, you know, um which was like a great, you know, same thing like, you know, you should not say that, but the bias is so internalized even inside of Boer that he has struggled just believing his friend, who knows what she's talking about because that's literally a family history, right? 

And when confronted with the reality of losing candy indirectly, right? That's where he chooses to be.
 What if she's right?
 And what if that my internalized bias like make me lose a friend. 

Um So I thought that was like a very interesting play on these two dudes who are think they know everything about everything because let's be, let's be honest, they're like, they're history buff guys, you know, that have like a history podcast or something like this. 

Oh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

I, I did like during that exchange with 10 and boy learned that about Ori and that, but he, he tried to tip toe in a little bit of the, he's like, what in this period? 

You know, a vocation that they traditionally be involved in and, and I like and saying, what do you think is building the spaceship, like, yeah, like, it's like the same thing with 

the gorn, right. 

Like, what do you think builds the spaceship? 

Like, there must be people that, that like, right. 

But I mean, it's logical, like the fact that pike is like or even lon is like, oh, they're dressed like predator. 

I was like, they build like warp capable spaceship. 

There must be people among them able to do something else and just hunt people for sport and for food. 

So I like the fact that, you know, there was this question of questioning your own bias and also like, I like the fact that is doing this because he wants to be PC. 

But at the same time, he realized that he may lose his friends and there's like a lot of implication that I really liked, which like are the main force of the, of the episode. 

And I'd add also that, you know, the moment where he's like, we would have to go off the grid. 

And I don't know if I made to live in the past, like, imagine being back in the past. 

Like I was trying to, I was trying to put a parallel with like, who would I love to meet? 

You know, would I be like, being fine girl? 

And I'm like, no historical figures because a lot of historical figures were just assholes like the plane, you know, like everybody like touching themselves of Oppenheimer. 

I'm like, dude, they did horrible, terrible shit. 

Like, I don't want to know, but I was like, oh, if I was sent in 1966 on the set of the cage and like just like, be able to nerd out and be like, oh you feel this? 

Like, I'd be like super pumped.
 But then I was like, do I want to leave through segregation?
 And I feel that that's what also he's experiencing.
 Like he's like, it's the golden age.
 But then you realize there's a lot of inherent internalized spec racism like all orions are 

pirates.
 Andorian are unstable. 

Vulcans don't like are too logical and is from the future and he is questioning all this and I think it was too subtle because I thought that it would have added a layer of like deep reflection to the episode. 

It's here. 

It's I totally, they wanted to do that but everybody's just laughing at the lower deck stroke, which is great. 

But like maybe a lot of people are missing the deeper underlying of that episode and of progress of society and how it's questioning it. 

So. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

No, that's fair. 

Uh I want to go off what you just said about because MC had a great comment going off that in the chat. 

I like seeing social growth with Boyum pointing out how offensive it is to treat orions like that because in his time it, it is right? 

Like you were saying, like, you know, he's looking out for his friend and is definitely seeing that stuff. 

She continues, it might be utopia but it can evolve further, which is absolutely true for Star Trek even though. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Well, and that's something that I took away from this. 

It's like the fact that they, yeah, that they put her on the poster after everything that happened, which is fucking awesome. 

Um I don't have anything to add to this. 

I love Anson's. 

I wanna just read what uh Jedi Carrow, Anson Mount's comic Chops are just so underrated and they are like, he's so good and I'm um for this scene and the way it was blocked specifically with Anson's acting and Boer's acting like much credit to the writers because they wrote the shit out of this episode. 

It's so good. 

But Jonathan Franks directed the hell out of this episode. 

The blocking the way everything just is right. 

It's, it's, it's so good and I don't think that some of those facial expressions hit the same way if it's not directed correctly. 

Uh You know, Pike's line about like, well, because boy just won't shut up and he's like, and you're still doing it, it's just so good and I really appreciated that. 

Um I think I broke him. 

Uh Even though boy messed up, uh he still can't help himself. 

Right. 

Boy, boom, just keeps going. 

Uh He gets fooled into helping Chapel and Ortegas plan a surprise party for pike because they figure out it's his birthday. 

He sees Spock smiling again and loses it because it's freaking him the fuck out because he knows that Spock, you know, when he grows up doesn't do a whole lot of that. 

Uh and chases after Chappell, they talk about this in the Turbo lift and Boer once again talks too much. 

Chappell realizes this convo that they are not gonna stay together.
 What do we think about Boer kind of being the catalyst for what we know is coming? But this is kind of how Chappell finds that out.
 And do we think this is going to impact the rest of the season?
 Matt? 

I think there's a lot of timey, winy stuff happening this episode. 

And uh I think there's a lot of self fulfilling prophecies in this as well for lack of a better term. 

And I guess boiler is responsible a little bit for what's going on with, with Spock and ultimately happen, happened with her. 

I was gonna say Hale Hale a chapel but with Chappel, uh you know, I've, I've, I've got a theory about Spock and Chapel as a whole if I may like go on a little tangent for a moment, which is that, I don't know how much actual romance there is between Spock and Chapel. 

And I feel like that Spock is more interested in Chapel because he feels like he doesn't need to wear a mask around her. 

He could have his emotions on display and right now that is appealing to him. So romance. 

I don't know, you know, we already know the ultimate fate of these two star crossed lovers. 

But really, at the end of the day, I think it's much more about the emotional attachment of emotions rather than the emotional attachment of a singular emotion of love. 

So yeah, that, that's kind of my tangent here and basically we know what happens. 

Boiler knows what happens as this episode progresses. 

Spock kind of acknowledges that whatever happens will still happen no matter what. 

So he's gonna keep doing what he's doing, which is kind of an interesting take on the situation. 

Um And we'll get that, I guess probably a little bit later on here, but it's kind of cool to see that, you know, boy Mo is among several characters who are kind of not really influencing anything necessarily or, or maybe they are. 

It's, it's again, it's timey whim and it's, it's a really cool, nice touch that they did with this episode to make it feel like it actually has impact because I was very worried about this episode just gonna, you know, be silly nonsense gads. 

But no, there's like some real stuff happening here. Yeah. 

Yeah, I agree. 

Doesn't Spock later say that he's experimenting with emotions at this moment too in the, in this actual, so that would be interesting that, that, that, that totally pulls for your theory. 

I love your theory. 

I think it's wonderful that being said, I'm not a Spock Chapel person, so I'm happy that wars ruins that if that's what happens. 

Um I do think that um Chappel did have some great acting moments when she realizes that they're not gonna be together and that she's not mentioned in the, the book of Spock later. 

But like that, that's gotta be heartbreaking if you actually do.
 I assume she's the one that has more feelings than right in this relationship. 

I'm thinking of that old adage about how you should never meet your heroes and that because it'll disappoint you in that. 

But I think in this case, there was a bit of a turnaround on that. 

It's like you're very disappointing to your heroes and that the, the fact that like, oh first up boy, boy and then not seeing Spock laugh and that, and the way it freaked him out and that it freaked me out too, it was scary. 

It was well done the way they shot it all the way they framed it and that stuff right there. 

And it was, it kind of reminded me of like that episode with um, family kind when you see Sty laugh. 

I don't know if you go. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 The real high pitched one. Yeah. 

Huh.
 Oh, God. 

Like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just a weird off putting laugh and I got the same five from when I saw that. 

Um, but, yeah, I, uh, but he, like, he kind of basically like this for her. 

Um, I know everybody's been down about it and that, but from a character perspective in that she's, you know, it's like he, he's not really respecting like, you know, them at that particular moment in their lives and that, you know, it's like in just spilling the beans about how Spock shouldn't be like this at this moment and that, and because of all the important things he's going to do and that was just, it's, yeah, it's just like Bo with his too much information. 

Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Draft I thank God A K A Jonathan Franks for giving back. What is due to Trek is Spock smiling is fucking creepy. 

Like we had to wait, how many freaking episodes for somebody to be like, no, that dude, that dude shouldn't smile and we all know a person like this like when they smile, they're like, hey, don't do that, stop doing this. 

Um So yeah, I, I was like, oh it got some, finally somebody understand it. Somebody understands that Spock should not fucking smile.
 Um I really like the fact that is supposed to be here. 

I the more the episode was going, the more I was like, oh he's supposed to go back and fuck up the timeline because that, that what makes his timeline exist is that he went there and can't control himself and is rectifying the fucking timeline. 

And we've seen it already in quality of mercy. 

Spock is supposed to do important shit like galaxy level of important shit that even influence like his sister all the way to the 32nd century. 

Like my husband was like, oh he's cock blocking Spock. 

I was like, yeah, he should be cock block because that dude has stuff to do that will save a jillion of people and like people in the sense of like full like planets and races and cultures like, oh my God, like please getting back, getting back to the like right timeline. 

I was so disappointed by that elevator scene with Chappel because I'm like yet again, yet again, the woman is here to cry. 

Love her is not gonna love me forever.
 It's like, who does that?
 Who the fuck does that?
 Like I think I stopped doing that when I was 21. Like even like, dude, no dick is that good? 

This is like, do not cry like this for real. 

Like have a little bit of like what she herself was like, oh my God. 

Like we're a relationship. 

We don't know if it's like, it's a, it's a cat in a bug. 

We don't know. 

It's a life and now she's crying because like a guy from the future is like, is not, he's not supposed to smile. 

Like, bitch, what's your end game? 

Like what is it with you? 

Like I, and I think it shows a toxic kind of relationship also. 

Like if you're in a relationship with somebody because you want them to change to the ideal person that you think they should be with you, you should not be with that person. 

Sorry to interrupt you.
 Draft T OS establishes that a little bit right?
 That it was a toxic relationship, whatever they had in the past.
 Like there's hints towards, I mean bones is like still are you still on this like girl?
 Like no and and again, like, oh my God, like it's his whole fucking culture.
 He grew up in this like and, and you want him to be like, no, forget your old culture and 

now you do mine. 

Uh And when somebody is like, he's not, that's not who he's supposed to be and he, he needs to be doing very important shit. 

Like you cry like Chappel is written like a sixties woman in like some like rum flake and I wanted to stop the moment when she starts crying on the elevator. 

I was like, nobody does that like that's, that's a, that's a, that's a woman written like, you know, you, this is sub read it, women written by man. 

You, you like, read that.
 It's just like, who wrote that?
 Who wrote that?
 Like, I'm so disappointed in this character yet again. 

And we've all been in a weird relationship where we went just because we wanted to do experiment stuff and then realized that we should not be doing this because the other person is a human and we should not, like, let them out. 

I mean, I've totally done that. 

It's very bad but I, I've grown, I'm a grown up now. 

I don't do this anymore. 

So I do like the fact that is here for a reason, even if he's a fuck up and even if he doesn't know that he's there for a reason, even he doesn't know. 

But like we like, 00 he's rectifying the fucking time. Like thank God for the lower day cares. 

But can we have one episode where she is not written just to be here for Spock just existing by Spock just existing to speak about Spock. 

Cry about Spock.
 Like, I mean, even was like, oh young Spock is hot.
 That was funny because that's what anybody would fucking do. Literally, you won't stop talking about how tight his shirt is, right? 

But would I cry over him? 

I may cry over but like not in public, you know, because I have standards which chapel, you know, I uh I like Kay Quinn's comment in the chat. 

I hope the chapel Convo causes Chapel to realize she doesn't want to be a footnote to a man's history. 

Hell yes. 

Maybe Kay Quinn. 

Uh, maybe you are K Quinn. 

But I love you. 

Oh, fellow Romulan. 

It looks like she got Rob and commander in the chat picture. 

It might be, it might be. 

Yes, I like you. 

I like you already but I like you even, even more. 

Maybe it'll even be why she doesn't go on Corby's last mission. 

I like that. 

I want to make a point actually about that real quick too. 

Um, I interviewed Jess Bush and I might not actually air this on my show. 

I haven't really decided yet what to do with it just because of what's happening with Hollywood right now. 

But I did actually ask Jess what she thought about this because I, I felt the same way that her character has really just been there to be Spock's arm candy at this point. 

We're just trying to get attention to it.
 Just, that's all her character has been this season. Uh, her response was wait and see. 

So I'm putting out there, we still have few episodes. 

I mean, ok, Matthew, we've been waiting and seeing, ok, they can do whatever they want. 

They're not gonna erase like 20 episodes. I'm not doing that. 

I mean, as far as the depth of her character goes because right now it's really been reduced to like just this. 

So, uh, she did say that there was more to come, whatever that means is open for interpretation or for us to kind of just again, wait and see, unfortunately. 

But uh I think she kind of knows that this is kind of the general reaction of a lot of us, a lot of us feel so. 

Right. 

I threw it out there for her. 

That's what I got. 

I want to ask some, I want to add something in the chat, ok? 

She's in a professional setting. 

Can we like add that, that they're all in a fucking professional setting? 

Like even if they leave on that chip, it's still the fucking job. 

And like when you have such a high level job because they're all on the flagship of Starfleet, right? 

They're like, it's, it's not anybody like just for to be selected to be there. 

Like do you see the level that they are expecting? 

Like these are the bad asses of the bad asses and you know that she had to like work her ass off to be there and when they're like, oh emotional response, no dude, no, like any woman working in a high demanding um professional setting will tell you, you do not fucking cry. 

You do not wear your heart on your sleeve in a professional setting where you have to be in a medical uh environment also. 

And especially if you're medical, you know, you need to control your ami because if you start breaking out for, like, anything all the time. 

You're a terrible medical professional. 

Like, don't do this, don't do this. 

Isn't that bad mental health advice to keep in your feelings though? 

Like, my mother was a nurse. 

You imagine that every time there's, she's sad or she sees something horrible, she just starts crying in front of a brand. 

Like, uh, like you don't do that.
 You have, yeah, you would not have a job.
 Like, for real, like my wife is, is a medical professional as well. 

Like she, she can't do anything at work but when she comes home, she, you know, she deals with it there but not in a with the young and that just like popped up out of nowhere and that is literally like going through shit. 

I mean, like stop having women just here to cry. 

It's that I agree with, I think it's OK to cry whether you're a man or a woman like, I don't know, I don't know. 

And mental mental life in stuff it tracks yes, it does.
 Um I love this scene specifically for what we just said how Boer is here. 

He has no idea that he is maybe shaping the future and let's fucking face it like that's exactly what he's doing. 

Um And I, and I do like what it sets up for Chappel because she has just been here for Spock. 

We all know that we've all said it on the show, but I'm gonna say that something's going to happen soon. 

Just judging on like trailers that we've seen like she gets some kind of good news. 

So I think we are getting to that moment where Chapo gets to finally fucking free herself of this shit and I think this sets that up. 

So I'm being cautiously optimistic. 

I really liked the elevator scene quite a bit. 

Um I know, I know what's triggering me. 

Chappel has been acting like a boomer. 

That's why he's like it's triggering me. 

That's what it is. 

She's been reacting like a boomer woman. 

This is what's up, make her a gen Z. 

Let's go. 

I, I don't want to see that anymore. 

Let's move on to uh is, is a, here is a hurry here wanting to make up for his mistake. 

You guys are great. 

But is she here? 

Is she here? 

Is she here? 

Uh Boer offers to help track the o'ryan by upgrading the enterprise while the crew turns around and I like that. 

I love that place just like I'm, I'm going with it. It everything's fucked at this point anyway.
 Uh The timelines ruined whatever uh it works. 

Ortegas calls him future kid, which I adore and in trade for some grain meant for the planet enterprise was headed to uh and then kind of fucked that all up the orions returned the portal. 

And as Boyer and Pike is about to just let out a giant sigh of relief. He's about to return home. 

Mariner erupts through the portal thinking that she saved boy, boy, uh, in front of pike and everyone. 

Mariners just like, doesn't even really care that she chimed travels. 

She is here for her. 

Right? 

Like, what did we think about Mariner's addition to this Hijinx Matthew. 

Oh, first off I want to talk about Boy Wars hijacking and upgrading of the system without it being seen or in the Simpsons. 

just don't look.
 Um, it was such like a perfect kind of Star Trek thing to do. 

I feel like, and, uh, I know I'm using this term wrong, but I'm gonna try and coin a new phrase with it here. 

Uh I wanted to say Chekhov's gun, but now I'm just gonna go with like Lon's Glock because it's kind of reminded me of like what we just saw a few episodes ago with Lon leaving the gun in Khan's quarters as a little kid. 

Uh, so I'm just like, you know, maybe, maybe something happened here, maybe this is actually a good thing, maybe they needed to have the secret upgrade and even though no one was looking, maybe it still did something because it's gonna be in their los or whatever. 

I don't know.
 It's too time you win me for me to think about.
 And that's kind of above my level of nerd to decipher. But uh Mariner showing up was great. 

Uh, you know, I think I said this earlier I don't remember if I did or didn't, but I didn't realize that this crossover was actually going to be a full on crossover when it was first announced. 

I figured it would just be like the opening act or the closing act to a strange new worlds episode. 

Wow. 

Ok.
 I never actually considered it to be a full on whole hour long thing. 

So, you know, seeing all the high jinks and then, like seeing how it progressed to this point because now we're at the official halfway mark. 

Now suddenly Mariner shows up and it's like, ok, now we're getting into business here. 

So, you know, again, we knew it was coming because we all saw the most of us saw the trailers but seeing how it happens and uh you know, I went there, uh you know, seeing how it happens, it was just like, again, perfect competing timing and that's just this episode in a nutshell. 

Yeah. 

Eric, before you go, there was a comment I wanted to read before we got on the chapel conversation, one of the people at our chat just got finished watching the episode, Robin Fines. 

So I've just watched that episode.
 Absolutely brilliant.
 I love that.
 Someone just watched it and is here reacting with all of us. I love that. 

Uh Eric, what do you think about Mariner coming through the portal? And I go back to that.
 Yeah.
 Yeah. 

Yeah.
 Yeah, I love that.
 You can hot wire a starship just by going underneath it. I thought that was hilarious. 

Um, and then watching the, the bridge crew just turn around and just be like, I guess this is cool. 

We're fine with this.
 It was, it was such a fun comedic piece and Jack Wade Dad, he kills me.
 Um, to be honest, I'm very surprised that Mariner came in this late in the episode. I thought she would been in it way earlier.
 I don't know what if the trailer showed more of her or less. 

Um But I just assumed she would have been the cause of her, of them going back when I first started watching this episode, that being said, I like the way that she came in because Gung Ho Mariner is my favorite Mariner and then when she came through and she realized that they were screwed, she went for her right away as, as expected, right? 

Like it, it was like the perfect entrance for her. 

Yeah, I agree. 

Uh, MC Mc Mariner, not since Jake Sisko and the cook on the Titan. 

Have I identified more with the Star Trek character? 

Oh, I love it. 

I love it. 

Uh Hawk, what did you think about this? 

This was great. 

Uh I won't spend too much time on the, you know, the, the rewiring and that, that, that was, you know, that was great. 

Uh because he'd know those old systems, right?
 I mean, you, you think like the nerd.
 He is, he's studied those schematics in and out multiple times.
 He's probably had like little miniature versions that he's done that too. 

Like the schematics are right next to the uh the uno poster. I mean, he said he made that.
 So, you know, that I did a, I did an enterprise also.
 I'm sure. 

Yeah, Mariner erupting through the portal of Just Chef's Kiss. 

And that um as Jim mcmahon pointed out in the chat and that both of them did a great job in translating like their animated characters over to live action. 

And that, and that's always, that's always something that's really difficult to do. 

You know, every time, like, they'll, I hear about like some, a adaptation of some cartoon I like into live action. 

It's like, uh, we'll see, uh, this, they just nailed it, it was great. 

You know, the bickering the back and forth between them and it's not just that, like, their movements are cartoony but they feel like them, like, like boiler walks, like Boer Mariner walks like manner without it being like, it wasn't cartoony. 

It just works.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, exactly.
 And you know, her groans and that, oh, you know. Oh, God, why do you? 

I love the fact that she did. This was no big thing.
 She traveled through the past. Oh, cool. 

Now where is like, they just, them translating those characters into the show has just been like, just such a highlight and I think, you know, a lot of people need to look, look 

to this, you know, in the future. 

Definitely a bit of a blueprint for how to do this successfully. 

For sure. 

Exactly. 

Yeah. 

Uh draft I, I, you know, this whole episode like the first part, I was like, this is great. 

You're all great is great. 

But where's Marina? 

Where is she? 

Where's Marina? 

Where is she, where is she? 

I was like, I, it was all fun but I want, I want, I need to see my girl like I was like, where is she? 

What? 

I have only half the episode. 

Where is she? 

And so I was like, just relieved. 

I was like, just looking there. 

I mean, I couldn't because I was in whole age but I was like checking watch being like the episode has like that many minutes left if it's an hour long. 

Um How much of me am I gonna get? You know, that's all I wanted. 

So um I was just super glad when they arrived and I know everybody has been like, oh they're translating like their animation, but for me, they were translating a different generation and that's what like this whole thing was interesting. 

It's like the way they act towards um or in the shape or a reference to history or so on is like so well done as a different generation. 

Like they don't give a fuck about the same thing that these guys, like, give a fuck about and, and I think the conversation that they have the way they act, even Mara, when she's like, in the chair or like interrupting, I'm like, they're 100 20 years of difference of society, difference of society, there is between them. 

Like they went through, their society, went through a lot of shit compared to the T OS society we're seeing, right? 

And I feel that it has shuffled what's important and it's the same way. Imagine talking with somebody from 100 20 years ago.
 When was it 100 years ago?
 When was that? 

Like the way I speak I speak way faster than anybody in the 1900. 

I can tell you that much. 

My slang is different the way I, I cross my leg, I flop myself on the table. 

Uh I talk all the time. 

I yourself on the table like, oh, ok. 

You know, I like that is not what a picture. 

No, I thought you did a full on like belly flop. 

Oh, I can do that also. 

I just wanted to make sure. 

Um, or, you know, put my feet up the table and, and for me that was this like there was that not of like two different generation, very different generation meeting each other. 

And I think it was, was great. 

You could read it, read it as them being, doing the animated itself or them being dumb as incense from 100 20 years in the future with a different set of values all together. 

But they still fucking save the day because they are the more open minded one. 

And that's what's important in this. Yeah. 

And I know it's 100 and 20 years, but it's also like millennials being in the same room as Boomers. 

Like you were talking about Boomers earlier.
 It's like the same, I'm a millennial, right?
 And I end up having to do generation like translation between Boomers and Gen Z. And I'm just like, oh my God, listen to the Gen Z for one minute. 

They have the she figured out and you know, there's got to be a point like at the table where one of them had to have said something that's like the equivalent of like OK, Boomer like your 1000 when she goes like, why are they speaking so slow? 

Um I, I just want to say real quick, I'm not gonna spend too much time on this. 

Like just to go off of what everyone's saying like, yeah, it, it, they, the transition was perfect but like the biggest thing is, is like this is Tony Newsom and this is Jack Quade, right? 

Like they have other roles like on live action shows. 

So like, you know what they look like if you watch their shows, that being said, I, I was, I was completely invested and, and convinced like my, my, my, my belief was suspended. 

Like that was Mariner and that was boiler. 

Not once it'd be like, oh look, it's Jack quay just dressed as boy. 

Oh look, it's Tony Newsom dressed as Mariner. 

I was like, holy fuck. 

It's Mariner and Bo the entire time not once was I taken out of that and that is just a job well done. 

There's a question I want to ask you guys. 

I would assume that no one asked Boer to put things back after he updated them to which I now ask, is this the reason why Scottie has so many fucking issues with the enterprise from here on out. 

I love this.
 Like he like Jim's like always like, dude, I need more power. 

It's like, man, I can't give you any more power probably because of some like work around BS that boy did like 10 years ago. 

Well, you know, that scene reminded me of a balance of terror when Spock is under the console, like doing, he's doing whatever and he's like pushing button like above his head. 

And I was like, that's like almost the exact same like movement of like, you know, um No, I thought it was hilarious. 

Yeah.
 And you don't know, you know, he touched everything everywhere. 

Like every time he was by himself, he opened like every single like literally did in real life and apparently broke a bunch of shit on the set. 

Brilliant. 

Um I was thoroughly unprepared for how hot young Spock was uh Mariner plays it cool. 

Uh Hits on young Spock also gets freaked out by young smiling, joking Spock. 

Uh And Pike is just done with the entire situation. 

He was done a long time ago, but he's just like nothing else could go wrong. 

So, yeah, Mariner, you can go work with aura um which really means just go drink at the bar and Bomer can work with Spock on the mineral issue. 

Um We also get that team where Mariner explains to una that boys is a hard core number one stand and you get the part about the pin up which doesn't go so well. 

At first number it's like I don't want to know.
 Um And yeah, that she's like this poster woman for Starfleet. 

What do we think about these two getting one to work slash drink with their heroes and then the the pin up scene also Dom go Matthew, another highlight of this particular section for me was seeing Boy More Power Walk. 

I loved it. 

He did it so subtly in the background.
 But my God, if he caught it, you caught it and you can never unsee it. 

No, it's like it's like the equivalent of the stupid sexy flanders, you know, you're just like watching Jack White Power Walk away. 

It's I can't unsee that now and I don't mind, I'm ok with this.
 Um But besides that, yeah, I mean, I, I like what's going on here with Mariner and aura. 

The one thing I kind of had, like, as a note for me to question was just like, why does aura need a lamp in her quarters when they have, like, you know, futuristic super lights that can probably make the place a lot brighter. 

I don't get why she has a single lamp right over her shoulder. It just seems very archaic and anachronistic.
 Um, it's just weird.
 But, yeah. 

No, iii I like that again. 

We're kind of like getting something that's little more timey winy here where we know in T os that aura is not a party animal necessarily, but she's someone that knows to appreciate personal time and like help people relax. 

But at this point in strange world, she's not that person yet. 

So here is now Mariner, timey wy stuff influencing the future of who Hora is gonna be and a hora is like her idol. 

So it's just like it's a great full circle thing that's happened with the lower deck people. Uh And, and likewise, again, with Boy Moore and Spock.
 This is just again, some like real brilliant stuff here.
 I, I love seeing Ethan Peck and Jack together. 

Everything they do is just gold and I'm also enjoying, again, going back to like what we're talking about with Spock and Jim trying to figure his emotions. 

He's like accepting that, ok, there is a future that's gonna happen, but it is what it is kind 

of uh I'm gonna keep going down this path away no matter what you tell me. So that's kind of fun.
 But uh at the end of the day, yeah, hijinks are amazing.
 That was like one of my favorite moments right there. 

Like and talk about great shot like thank you Jonathan Franks for giving us these hilarious like classic black and white comedy shots. 

It's like some ad and Costello stuff right here. 

Um so yeah, just again, great stuff all around. 

I don't really have anything bad to save this entire episode. 

Sorry. 

Um, and do, do, do Hawk is gonna go off on that Eric? 

You're first one? 

Second. 

Um, the, um, the, um, are we talking about, uh una or Mariner explaining the second half? 

The first, the first part, first time?
 Ok.
 I wasn't sure if we would talk about that later later too. I like to, um, this whole sequence. 

I really enjoyed that they met these people that they had idolized but realized that they're actually normal people and that they're, you know, like who, who is at this point in her life that she isn't that person that they've idolized, like the, the super, who are of later? 

Like, she's still young, she's still trying to figure out her place.
 I, I think that's really cool.
 It's like when I've worked at, uh, conventions and I know how many times people like 

idolized actors and stuff and then when you get to meet them and you're just like, they're normal people. 

They're just cool, normal people. Like, that's what it felt like here. 

And I, I really like that and then I can't add anything other than, well, Matt Matthew said, like, all the, the comedic bits are amazing. 

They were, they're all directed perfectly by Frank's like, yeah, the sequence is so good, so good. 

Hawk. Same. 

I mean, like, everything was great about it, you know, uh starting with like, you know, their little conference and that, uh and the fact that Mariner was just being so Mariner, it was that when she leaned back in the chair and she let her hands scrape across the table and with that annoying squeaking sound and that I was like, yeah, she did that on purpose. 

Uh It's just, it's amazing like, you know, these are like, you know, these people she studied for, you know, generations in that bubble, like, you know, she's just there and she's all she really wants to do is just go hang out with her, it doesn't matter. 

Um And again, Spock and like the way he just keeps freaking out, boy, I'm learning that, you know, like if you do not mind losing a hand and then the smile and then like that bit like, you know, one Spock asked him, like, do you feel lucky? 

I was like, where did that come from?
 That was a dirty Harry reference.
 And it's coming from Spock it was a lot of, like, references of Hollywood stuff. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Uh, yeah.
 Yeah, there was one later on. 

We'll mention that. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah. 

Uh, what else? 

The pin up thing? 

That's funny. 

And that, you mean, like a pin up? 

Well, you know, it's a poster and it's pinned up to his wall. 

Are we talking about the same thing? 

I don't want to know again, the difference of generation, like, I obviously peanuts are not a thing anymore. 

Well, they really shouldn't be in that area either, but I guess. Right. 

Yeah, there was, it was just like this whole, like this whole kind of confluence scenes was just so packed with like jokes and inside bits and that it's, it's hard to keep track, but I, I loved it. 

Yeah, I agreed draft. 

Yeah, I, I just love the scene where Mary is just sitting, like staring at and she's like, I'm gonna help her and she's like doing nothing. 

She's just sitting in her quarters and looking at her translating stuff and that made me laugh and I love the fact that the lower decker don't learn which cracks me up to no end because they, everything around them shows them that these people that they idolize at the same age than them are also fuck ups on like certain level, but they don't see it and on some way it's beautiful and on some other way it's kind of sad, but I like that Marina is just like, oh yeah, I know all the code because it helps you to slack up when like, literally doesn't know the code and is literally having like a very unhealthy relationship to work and, and Marina doesn't see that she has something that her idol doesn't have. 

Like in the end, she still says like, oh my God, like I'm questioning like, I'm having 

quarter of life crisis, which is so cute because like, when you're that age, you totally can't like, reflect that much on that kind of shit, which like in the end makes it very true. 

And like you see that it was directed and written by people that are like older than that, which makes it very relatable for me as an old person. 

I mean, not old but you know, almost midlife, let's say. 

Um Yeah, so no, I love the, the, the fact that Mariner idolized Uhura because why is she idolizing aura? 

Like, think of Mariner?
 Like, she's not a linguist, right?
 She doesn't want to be on the bridge.
 She doesn't even want to be a star officer.
 So what is it in that she likes so much?
 It's her life and, and work balance things that Mariner has never research, right? I try to achieve ever. 

So it's interesting because as a character, Mariner, like you imagine her, like, ok, she's like into Riker, you see that, but you're like, what is the thing that makes her so into and, and the whole episode is, is also reflect them on fandom, right? 

Because they literally say, oh, I guess we're a fan like them. 

And that reflection that, you know, the black woman character is obsessed by the black woman character. 

I find it very beautiful because in the end, it's true, like black women fans are really into and Mariner also because you see yourself and they managed to not make it about race, which I think here was great because it was elegantly put. 

But I, I just love that. 

You see that Tony Newsom herself has a lot of fan love for and then there's this back and forth between SIA and Tony that I think like transcends the character and transcends the episode and transcends the fandom and there's so many layers in just that little interaction that I, I found it beautiful. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

No, same. 

I, I absolutely adored that scene. 

II, I love it because like, again, like it's, it's them inadvertently being idiots influencing the future, right? 

Like I'm guessing Mariner is somewhat responsible for aura becoming a little bit more laid back, right? 

Like it's just what happened like she gave her an Orion Hurricane and here we are. Um it's just brilliant, but their scene is gorgeous.
 I love, listen, I love reading and I think Tara mentioned it.
 I think someone mentioned it. 

I think it was Tara but like she had 1000 books in her quarters and that's like exactly what aura would have. 

And I, I loved that.
 Um, Hawk, that's why we're still pissed about the Klingon dictionary. Right.
 Right.
 Exactly.
 Exactly.
 We don't speak about, don't speak about the Klingon dictionary. Um, Hawk.
 I'm, I'm, I'm glad. 

And I'm also mad that you took my, my dirty Harry thunder because I thought I was the only one that really realized it was a dirty harry reference, but I should have known better. 

I like I, I almost died. 

What he said. 

Do you feel lucky? 

I was like, what the fuck is happening right now? 

How is Spock? 

The one that's saying this, this makes no sense. 

But I'm absolutely here for it. 

I was like, holy fuck, you're, you're Gregory Peck's grandson, you're channeling Clint Eastwood. 

I don't know what timeline I'm in right now. 

It was wild and Spock fucking up an experimental. 

He's kind of like humanity. 

But listen, like Baron are taking them all to the bar one like straight out of lower deck. 

Brilliant. 

I love that. 

There was a bar scene and I listen, we are screaming at Paramount and the writers to be like Morga, right? 

Mortes gets like a morsel of something here, right? 

Which is great like she, she when she mentions more like we're getting little nuggets and I know in the next episode that we're getting a lot more of those nuggets about what happened with her in the Klingon War and like, I, I, I really like this for her but uh and then the Mariner una scene, I had it in my original outline for those that don't know, I deleted the outline and I had to rewrite it in an hour. 

Uh That sucked and I did have us talking about the how Mariner writes the wrong at the end we will get there. 

But I did love that initial talk. 

I love the, the you're a very good, bad influence which is the perfect like subtitle for Mariner. 

Yeah, perfect subtitle.
 Uh Don't yell Q I haven't met him yet.
 They did have a train type thing though going on right now.
 Um They both fail, right?
 Spock.
 Fuck his experiment.
 They never quite really figure out like the the translation like why it worked?
 I don't think it ended up having anything to the solution of getting the portal to work. Um But they think that they're stuck here, right? 

And Mariner and they both wanna, they're gonna steal a shuttle so they can make things right on the enterprise and get the grain back from the Orion so they could do this relief mission. 

Laon being Laon catches them and brings them to Pike who gives them the hardcore disappointed dad speech. 

God, he was so disappointed dad had this like I got, I once uh was getting berated by the bus driver at school and I, I told the bus driver to fuck off and I got off the bus and the parent was like another parent was like, what did you do this time? 

Julie? 

And I said, fuck you. 

And my dad obviously got the phone call and he was like, didn't even yell at me. 

I just walk in the house and he gives me that pike look and he goes, you need to walk down there and go say sorry, you know, just like that. 

I'm not going to yell at you, but this is how fucking disappointed I am at you. 

Um So he gives that speech and it's also with a little Calvin reference right about losing his dad and being a year older, this is kind of a scene right out of Star Trek beyond that Jim has with bones. 

It's like we're kind of talking about fixed points in time. 

So this doesn't happen to Jim anymore because this is the prime time line. 

So it has to happen to someone and now in this section more in, in uh across the spider verse. 

So this happens to Pike. It's kind of wild. 

Um And as they're all talking, the NXO one gets brought up and Pike's like, oh yeah, they don't build him like that, do they uh anymore? 

And boys gets all like, yeah. Right.
 Yeah.
 Right. 

Uh His nerd light bulb goes off uh As Archer Enterprise ends up becoming the key to getting them home. 

What do we think about this whole walking on history bit.
 Uh And then Uhura Ortega is Nerdy out over Travis and Hoshi. 

And then, you know, this all being like the plot of the return Matthew, it was really cute actually seeing them like look basically being reminded of their idols as well and kind of just putting a nice little ribbon on this episode here. 

Um It's always fun like hearing Enterprise references because it's so rare that we see them refer to in anything really uh in, in modern times Star Trek here. 

Um But again, like highlights for me was hearing Spock explaining the joke to the radio room, uh which was, that was great too. 

Um I really wanted to hear Boy Moore's Limerick also, I also enjoyed, by the way, the, the dinging noise when Hero was ready, that was again, just like brilliant little touch in post. 

That was the one thing that actually almost took me out of this episode. I'm like really a ding.
 Come on. 

I don't know why it's that out of everything. I loved it.
 I loved it so bad.
 It was, it was subtle too. 

At least it wasn't like anything really obnoxious.
 It was just like, really subtle.
 If you caught it, you caught it.
 If you didn't, it really wouldn't made much of a difference. I feel like to your viewing. 

But yeah. 

Um As far as Pike and his actual serious moment that, that we're having uh that we're having right now here. 

Uh It was again, nice to have a little bit more seriousness injected into this episode because it has been a lot of that, you know, I thought this would just be a, a full on farce for the entire thing. 

But no, again, we come back to the fact that this has serious tone overtones to it, some serious impact that we're gonna be seeing. 

Apparently this stuff does affect the timeline as a whole. Uh So it's, it's really cool that they did that.
 I i it's not unexpected at all from this episode.
 I really didn't. 

And first time watching it, I've watched it now twice. 

Uh Once again just to watch, you know, to get ready for this episode, it just, it gets better each time you watch it and there's so much more to analyze with it on every other reviewing as well. 

But man, it's, it's cool what they did here. 

And I, and I was even thinking about like, the fact that they did reference like Kelvin stuff. I was just like, man, like we're acknowledging past, we're acknowledging future. 

It's, it's some heavy stuff and that's what lower deck has I think been succeeding at this season. 

It is kind of bring in like, you know, different elements that shouldn't fit together. 

But by the end of the episode, you're like, oh, that's how those things go together. 

Wow. 

Yeah. 

And just to add to what you were saying real quick. 

Uh Michael Quan wrote Boer gives Pike like the biggest emotional advice of the series, right? 

Like let your friends appreciate you because they care for you and they will miss you because Pike knows out of everyone like there that he doesn't have that much time left. 

So some deep stuff for real. 

Yeah, it was awesome. 

Um Eric agreed. 

Um I love the Pike sequence. 

Um Yeah, it was, it was amazing to have be the one that to like shed some light. 

And man, when he gave that disappointed dad speech and then later I was just like, you know, take the time and he does that smile. 

He reminds me every time I get angry at my kids and then they do something and then you're just like, fuck, I can't smile in front of them because they're not gonna take a lesson away from this. 

It literally happened today or yeah.
 No, it happened to me today too to me too. 

And I'm just like, God, you guys are too smart and I'm just like, oh OK, don't, don't smile and then I have to turn around and then he smile and be like, yeah, like Caleb called 

Cecily like trash today literally said you're trash. 

And I heard about it third hand and I went in the car and I just turned around and gave him my like most disappointed dad look and he just gave me those eyeballs and he knew that. 

Like there was a chance I was going to crack a smile. 

So he started cracking up and I had to like turn around real quickly. 

It's like your mother damn damn kids. 

Um The, the walking over um piece of history. 

I love that. 

I love that idea that they make ships using a, a piece of the last ship to bear that name. 

I thought that was so cool. 

How they, they haven't mentioned that before. 

No, no, no, so cool. 

And there are pieces of enterprises everywhere. 

So, right? 

Like someone asked on Twitter, like how did they, what did they put from the Enterprise Sea? 

And I'm like, dude, they could find the wreckage and put something in there like it's not a big deal. 

Um The nnxo 10 my God, the, the love for this, they showed more love for Travis Mayweather and Hoshi in this episode than they did the whole run of Enterprise. 

It's so sad.
 It hurts me so much because I love Travis as a pilot. 

Like that one storyline where when they talked about him being from a, a shipping family and how they used to feel the ships. 

And I was like that is what I wanted to see. 

I want to see more of him and more his back story knowing that he grew up to become like famous and like a gym or was it a gym or is it a school? 

I can't remember it has said this and I've said it 1000 times.
 Travis should have been the captain of the fucking Enterprise, period. 

And, and I'm not saying that to be funny, like literally had more space experience than anyone on that ship in my head. 

He was the next cap um because of how cool and collected he was and he was the one that was always like, yeah, like him and were always the ones that were saving. 

And Anthony Montgomery is a gem.
 He's like the nicest guy every time I see him at the convention. Uh So yes, I want, I want a Gomery show.
 Can we get him that Mayweather?
 That's OK.
 They keep on saying they want to bring Archie back.
 I was like, I would rather see Travis Mayweather man. 

He was telling me that he wrote a rap album that is track and then he had to like get rid of all the references to Star Trek because he had the authorization of the studios and then it's still like very track. 

Like if you know what you're listening to, you're like, who is still? I think Jesse was telling me that.
 Oh, that's so cool.
 I need to check it out. 

And again, uh who um loving hoshi, of course, of course, of course, wrote eight papers on her. 

I loved it.
 Um Yeah, I love the NXO one love that made me happy. 

Uh And you know, it, it's nice to see them out for over something because we don't really see that on the show. 

So it was cute. Hot. 

Um Yeah, to everything that we just said all the references to Enterprise, uh the dad's speech and that um but for all the comedy and everything and that there was this moment in that when they were trying to tiptoe around the fact that they knew a little something about Pike's future and he's like, oh that, you know, and even the Mara doing the like the so like that, yeah, that, that sent me, I died. 

I went, I was under my chair, but it was a weird scene in that. 

It kind of, and for a moment it just kind of leveled that playing field, you know, it's like where they were just tiptoeing over everything and that it has, you know, one wrong sentence and like, you know, the future you get screwed up and that um and he's like, ok, on this point, it's like, you know, at least we're kind of on the same, we're, we're on the same level right now. 

Um Also that um I got to mention it grapplers. I love grapplers.
 That was the way she delivered.
 The line was so good. 

It was just completely dead pan. I love grapplers.
 Yep.
 So fucking good. 

You good. I'm good. OK? 

Can we stop a minute and appreciate that the lower diggers are the only people giving a shit about this fucking colonist. 

Yes. 

Right. 

That is, again, I always complain about that in strange world. 

I was like, why don't they care about the people? 

Like, in the ghost of Hilaria, they're like, bye. 

See. 

Yeah. 

Like there's so many moments where you're like, so you're just going to do nothing and when they just give you like a Yeah. 

And I'm like, holy shit, like, where is that thing? 

Like, where is that thing supposed to go somewhere? 

Like what about the people? 

And the fact that Boner asks and he's like, what, what's going to happen to the colonies? 

I was like, here we go. 

And then I realized that yes, strange world is us and Ts didn't give a fuck about all this but lower X is post poetry and, and post Ds nine, right? 

And you see the the more caring track, the more socialist track also like asking about the people and asking about like, what about like they all like they, they talk about the Bell riots. 

So like why?
 But your, your point is so good too because it's literally the cerritos job. Yeah, it's literally the CDOS job to do those things second contact. 

And like Mariner complains about it like saying like they're good for first contact but they don't care about the people and you see them caring about like something at the society level like in Ds nine like with the Orions and the colonies. 

But you also see them care about the people. 

Like you will see like the crew like you see in Voyager, like about Pike's birthday and telling him like, you don't know how long you have. 

Like, and I, I really like the fact that lower X is embodying like the, the values of track chronologically also compared to A T Os track was just like boldly going, you know, and yes, they have more technology and yes they're dumb ass and, and they're like 25 and I don't know what the fuck they're doing and they're like kind of a fuck up because like they like on the California class, you know, they're not like the top of their class, but I mean, he did an elective in like matter synthesis. 

So I guess it's good. 

But you see also that they're a product of a different generation and different, like stuff with history also that went through a lot of shit like they, so stuff like they, they, so like somebody was talking about how mariner most will be like grew up on Enterprise C or something. 

And so a lot of the, she was on DS nine, right? 

And you see that they have another way of thinking when the problem is in front of them uh that the crew of the enterprise doesn't have. 

And in that, it really made me think of a quality of mercy where you see that sometimes it needs somebody that has a different point of view that has a different history and that will see the problem for a different uptake to solve the situation. 

And I, I thought it was giving so much like depth to these lower decker that usually at the butt of the joke, but here are really the only one caring about the, um, I did not go over my head. 

I really appreciated that about this episode a lot that like they were in the shuttle having that conversation and justice for May we absolutely and justice for like 1000 person. 

The ding cracked me up like every single time because if you read the novel Red Shirts by John Scalzi, there's a machine that like synthesize anything and goes ding and that cracked me up so much. 

I feel like we've talked enough about that book that you, we need to talk to that author on this podcast. 

Oh my God, we need to do a book club or that book. 

Like it's like it, it can't watch track being without being like, oh my God, that's in the Red Shirt. 

And one last thing I wanted to say another thing about like the lower decker being a 

product of like a long history of track.
 The fact that I freaked out about the Vulcan not acting. 

Vulcan is very Voyager because if you learn anything on Voyager is that if Tupac is not acting normal, this is not good. 

This is not good. 

At all. 

Um, I'm gonna get serious and I'm gonna get funny. 

Um, I really liked Pike. 

He's in the, he's like, his birthday is not a good time for him. 

And I love that line of, you know, after this mission I was going to go to Shell Tech Two and go in an ice, you know, in a cabin to ice fish basically and drink a bottle of whiskey. 

Get drunk and have that, you know, imaginary conversation with my dad because I've had that moment. 

Like I've, it's like, you know, it's like writing a letter to someone that's passed that, you know, for things that you never said to them. 

And it's a really powerful moment, like, especially for me, like I have, I've, I've done that. 

Like, I've literally, I haven't got to an ice cabin but I've had a bottle and I've written a note. 

So uh I get it and I thought it was really deep.
 But what Eric was saying later too about being so disappointed, right? And then Mariner just has to bring up. 

Yeah, I don't think he can handle going to the brig by getting sent to the brig by somebody who dressed up as Halloween and he had to contour the draw line and like pike is doing everything in his power does not like die laughing. 

It was one of my, that was maybe my favorite scene of, of the crossover. Um It was, it was so good.
 Uh, the pee, he was good. 

It does, it does quote Cary Grant. Um, it, it was fine though. 

I thought it was actually maybe like the Miss of the episode, I feel like they just kind of threw it in. 

Um, it was fine that, that, listen, you guys know how we feel about Enterprise. It's not my favorite series, but I, I loved it. 

II, I actually maybe was a little disappointed because the way that they were talking about it, I swear that they were gonna go pull it up from mothballs and we were gonna get to see it and I maybe would have died a little bit inside because I do love how that ship looks even though it's a refit akira class, but we won't talk about that. 

Um But we got to see the new one, the new one. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Um Yeah, but this was cool. 

I loved it. 

I adored it. 

Uh Mistress of the Winter Constellations. 

Let's go uh, with enough of the mineral now to power the Stargate because that's exactly what this thing was. 

Uh Right. Yeah. 

Pike Barters with the Orions with help from boy and learn mariner who tells the Orion captain that her friend 10 is an Orion scientist in Starfleet and that her great grandmother is on the ship in a really cool moment. 

Um, before they go home, I did have in my original outline. 

I love, I want to start with a conversation uh with Ma and Boiler and how this connects to episode two and how he's just like you're the reason I joined Starfleet at Astra Per Parra. 

Um Let's talk about uh the, you know that scene, them talking about 10 and her great grandmother and then going home ransom hitting on Boer's Una poster, which is amazing for so many reasons because their husband and wife and then we get that final animated minute, a lot to unpack in the final act. 

What did we think about their return home? And this just amazing surprise at the end. 

Matthew, I think the thing I just want to focus on is with the Orion scientist or the pirates now turned scientists. 

Uh I just wanted to talk about Greg Bricks acting. 

That was the guy who played uh Crass was his name, right? 

The main Orion that we saw here. 

Oh, I thought it was Liam Neeson. 

I keep like going or, or, and Liam Neeson. 

Yeah, close enough. 

Uh I thought he just did an excellent job. 

You know, we, we, we've been talking this episode about like Anson Mount's ability to react. 

Uh And I feel like Greg Brick did. 

Uh And I hope I'm saying his name right? 

I don't know if I am but uh I think he did an amazing job reacting throughout the whole episode really like he had a lot of those same little gestures and little movements and, you know, when you're acting on TV, it is about the smaller movements. 

It's not about the big ones. 

And Greg had so many really great ones that, uh, freaks did a wonderful job catching with the way he directed it. 

And I think the moment that I liked the most was like, when he hears Mistress of the Winter, Winter Constellation, he's like, oh, I know that. 

And like that moment there. 

Yeah, that, that moment right there just like, speaks volumes to his acting and his episodes. 

So that was the moment that I really enjoyed otherwise. 

I mean, I've already said it again again. 

Everything's freaking amazing this episode. 

Uh There's no bad moments here at all and I really enjoyed seeing that we got strange new worlds in animated form also which I hope that we would have gotten, we got it. 

It was everything I wanted, but now I want more. Yeah.
 Agreed.
 Agreed. 

Yeah, Eric uh you're reminded as Greg Brick.
 Um He's, he's a great Canadian actor.
 He also was um the bad guy in far cry five.
 If you played that game, he was the the pastor guy.
 Um um his, that's all I ever wanted was like tear jerking. 

I was just like, oh my God, that scientist just wants to be known as a scientist and not as you know, something else like that people assumed at that time like, oh, that was heartbreaking and amazing um to add to the crying moments when una heard that at Asper was on the poster and she was just like she had this teary eyed look. 

I was, I got all choked up and that's when I started. 

That's when I messaged you Joe and I was like, oh my God, I'm crying, I cry, we cried at the same spot. 

Oh my God.
 It was, those are two beautiful, beautiful moments. 

Um I do think there was a missed opportunity in not seeing um um what's her name like as her grandmother? 

Right?
 Like, oh my God so much. 

I was just, I was expecting a carbon Craig give me a Carbon Craig or even like the portal or even that. 

Yeah.
 Right.
 Seeing Rutherford poking through like you hear his voice? I was like, oh is it, are we finally get to see live action? Um Rutherford.
 Nope, it didn't happen.
 So that was, that was a little, this episode that I loved. That was a little bit of disappointment that I had. 

Um that, that being said, the last animated sequence with the the streets of the worlds uh cast was amazing and I like that they, they were seeing this because they were drunk and I'm not going to steal the thunder of what was said in our chat about that. 

Um Because yeah, so I'll leave that.
 But I think that's a brilliant theory.
 I think it's brilliant.
 A lot of people are loving it on Twitter by the way. Ok. 

Um, yeah, and, and, and then obviously, um, ransom hitting on his wife. Like that's so funny that, that made me, that made me giggle.
 Yeah.
 You know, Jerry o'connell tried at least once to like to do that. 

Yeah. 

Uh, in the interest of, uh, being brief and time and everything in that, I agree with everything everybody said. 

Uh, the one thing I wanted to point out was that Mariner had the best line in this, uh when she and were arguing and that, and he's like, oh, we fought for this, you know, for to get us on this expedition and she's like, no, he didn't. 

Nanson is an idiot.
 He sleeps on his face like a baby.
 I felt called out of that moment.
 Yeah.
 Uh This was the, the way it ended, it was just perfect.
 I couldn't agree more.
 Oh, I'm gonna go off a little bit because like, I think that end justified that whole episode. I was very worried that they would do just a lower episode in the 80.
 Not, no, that's not true. 

But like, just like a fan service episode with a lot of like cracking jokes and like some, you know, very light and funny and kind of like, you know, not, I don't want to say stupid but you know what I mean? 

Like very light and I'm so glad that they use the lower to the question this generational difference and how the society has grown because I was having this conversation with Jessie the other day and I was saying how desperate I am when I see the news and what's going on in the US and how I feel we're going backward. 

And she told me in the end, the history always go forward. 

And what, even if we feel like right now in all little spec of time, we're going backward in the great kind of scheme of things, we will go forward. 

And this episode really made me think of this, that, you know, um una it's like a few months or weeks after her trial where she had to like go through all that shit. 

And she realized that in the future because I'm sure that's not going during, that's not gonna be during her lifetime, right? 

She will be the poster girl for stuff that in the end it may go worse before it gets better, 

but it will get better and same thing for the orients, this orient scientist pike almost fucking killed all of them. 

Like if it was not for like on the bridge, they would all have been dead. And that tells you how fucking horrible this is right? 

Because they are a science vessel and they are scientists and, and that's wrong that most probably happened in other places. 

These orients will been blown to bits because there must be pirates like, you know, people getting shot because there must be criminals. 

Uh the fact that you see that in 100 20 years, it has changed so much that even if like a lot of people still have this ingrained bias, there are orient scientists in sole and una and augment and I sorry is the poster for. 

So this is such a message of hope that yeah, we may go backwards right now, but in the end, in the end, it will get better. 

And like just yesterday, I don't know if you saw, but um Biden just um dedicated um a national monument to Emmett Till and his mother. 

And you know, that was not a long time ago, right?
 That was not a long time ago at all.
 Like a lot of people remember that a lot of people are still alive that did that, right? And sure it's not perfect right now.
 But, and sure we're going backwards on things that like rights. 

We had like, you know, abortion rights, for example, uh and we are losing rights, but I do feel I do believe and I do want to believe and I do want to hold it this like with all my mind that in the end, we will, we will progress and we will be better and we will stop murdering people and we will stop thinking that, oh, it looks like this. 

So must be a criminal. Must be a pirate. 

And I think that freaks directed this, this episode beautifully because yes, it's a it, it's subtle. 

But at the end that, that meaning the message is really here and even if you still laugh 

about it, it's beautiful to see that these dumbass and can have the life they have, even if it's not perfect. 

And you know that the federation went through dark times right before we arrived there. 

Uh But that in the end, there's still been social um progress and yeah, it's just, you know, beautiful. 

And then my theory because now I'm going to be light. 

But that the fact that they are animated is because they are always high like cracks me up and that Marina is just pouring shit into their drinks that make them always feel this way is my new head Canon and I love this beautiful. 

Yeah, yeah, I'm here for it. 

Um By the way, one of our amazing and uh just, you know, long time members, everyone knows Haven, haven's freaking awesome and the chat uh posted exactly what draft is talking about on our Discord. 

So if you want to know more about uh the Emmett Till and what, what uh Joe Biden did, you should go check out that article. 

It is on our Discord. 

Um I have, I'm gonna go funny before I go serious and I'm gonna go funny because I had to read Taco's comment. 

But how does Mariner know that ransom sleeps that way? Raises one eyebrow?
 Hm That's a very good question.
 Um And then to get serious. 

I cried at this exact same time Eric did because Una is just so listen, like we don't know what happens to Una and now we have a little bit of knowledge, right? 

She doesn't, it as far as we know she doesn't have some like horrific thing happen to her. 

Right?
 She has an amazing enough career where they look like she is Starfleet propaganda. 

That's awesome. 

When Boyer says at Astra Per Aspar, I was crying because it, that episode is a hall of fame episode of Star Trek and is so important to this franchise and everything that happened. 

And the fact that they were able to tie that into this, like never in a million years was I expecting to hear those words on the lower dex crossover episode and the fact that they did and did it so well. 

And then listen, is it a little bit like 19 forties World War Two propaganda that then una winks at him and gives him a big smile? 

Yeah, but it's fucking epic because like that's like, hey, you enlisted good job. I loved that and I adored that.
 It's probably my first or second favorite scene of this entire thing.
 Uh I don't know what else I could say about the animated ending. 

It was so good and everybody knows about how I feel about 10. 

She's my favorite lower deck characters, one of my favorite Trek characters of all time, Mistress of the Winter constellation also known as The Cleaner Love. 

Getting some history, adored it, adored it.
 Uh, with that being said, any final thoughts on this one. 

Uh I like how overall they kind of maintain the integrity of both shows which to be quite fair is pretty damn hard to do. 

These shows are polar opposites in so many ways, but they kept the integrity of what each one is all about who these shows are. 

They also still managed to actually progress important plot points in the show here. Like they brought up the Spock and the chapel relationship. 

Uh They also gave us important things that we're gonna see in the future in T OS where they gave us a reason why about why, you know, and her ability to learn to be more of a relaxed person. 

Um All that thanks to Mariner, all that thanks to Mariner, why the enterprise is always fucked up. 

Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Thank you very much more. 

Um And yeah, we, we got that, we also got, you know, Spock Pike and una more kind of like understanding their own journeys and time and history and coming to terms with it. 

So it was a lot going on here. 

There was a lot to, to, to unpack and it was all just such good stuff. 

It exceeded my expectations. 

Well, beyond what I thought this episode was gonna be like, II, I already said that earlier. 

Uh I, I keep coming back to that point because it really was just that damn good. 

It was just that good every moment of it. 

I love rewatching it. 

This is gonna be one of those episodes that I have no problem rewatching again and again. 

And for the most part, I've felt that way about a lot of this season of Strange new worlds. Awesome.
 It's crazy.
 The amount of people that I've seen online that are like, this is what lower deck is like. I'm gonna watch Lower Dex now. 

I was like, yes, where you been, where have you been?
 Have a drink jokes?
 Yeah, that's fair.
 But yeah, yeah, I never think I never thought I would say that.
 But lower X really elevated stranger worlds like it brought a lot of, you know, great 

question just by contrast and I thought that they served it so, so well and that it was still hilarious again. 

I love my ass off the first time I watched it. 

I cried. 

He says at a like I was like, oh my God, thank you. 

Like she knows that it will get better because like that's what I want to know. 

I want a time traveler to come and tell me in 100 20 years, it will be better than now and I'll be like, ok, I'll go for this, I'll go for this. 

If like you swear it's gonna be better and that it managed to be a message of hope. 

Even if they are two dumb asses and it brought to me, I think the most beautiful message we had this season of strange new worlds that I had a lot of ups and downs. 

Right. 

Um When we come to the social message that we expect in Star Trek, I mean, like, I don't watch Star Trek. 

Like I'd watch, I don't know, watch other show I watch, that doesn't have that aspect, but I need to watch to fight for this also. 

And I think strangely, well, I've been missing the hands a lot. 

This, uh, so I'm so glad that the lower decker are bringing some depth. 

Let's go. 

I can't believe I'm saying this. 

But yes, and please just have direct all every episode, every episode because I can't, I can't go back. 

I can't go back.
 I can't go back, please.
 I don't want to go back.
 Um The last thing I want to say is kind of almost exactly what you just said. 

The fact that it, it does bring that because I, I bring this up a lot on the show. 

This was meant to be a strange new worlds podcast, but lower X holds a very special place in our heart because it is the first show that we started doing episode reviews on this podcast. 

So for that to be such a big part of strange new worlds and to have this level of like depth in the episode, it, it's it's special and one of a kind, it, it really is. 

So I want to point that out as well. 

Um, speaking of Lower Dex being the first show that we ever reviewed. 

One of the things that we do on Lower Deck review episodes we could do very briefly. 

Here is an Easter egg hunt. 

Are there any Easter eggs that we didn't bring up during the review of the episode that you want to bring up? 

Now, did we miss anything? 

Studying bean and Kardashian? 

And they're both not part of the Federation? 

So, that's crazy. 

I mean, the noy cans being bad, a dumb job. 

Yeah, I was like, ah, was stuck in the dystopian San Francisco line riot. 

God. 

The one thing I noticed is just a technical little thing. 

Uh, and that's that when they went from animation to live action, the aspect ratio changed. 

It did. 

Yeah, I don't really think that means much track wise, but it's just a cool little thing that they did. 

That's all. 

Oh. 

And I want to add something. 

That's very cool. 

Is that that tradition? 

And having a piece of the previous ship name is actually a real thing. 

Like, it's a, it's a real thing, like, um, God, I'm again speaking about him, like, Spencer, like, was a sailor on the US Niagara and in Pennsylvania. 

And apparently that's a thing. 

Like, they had, like, pieces of the old boat, like, brought into, like, the new boat. 

So I thought it was, like, really neat that they use actual naval history. 

Like, for the part of that episode, it destroy the artifact, by the way, they fucking destroyed it, which, like, irritated me. 

I was like, so you just destroyed the piece of the NXO one. Like, yeah, it's kind of important at the time.
 It was, it was, it was any others that we missed anything? Did we talk about the Cary Grant? 

Quote? 

It's weird. 

It is a weird pull. 

I thought that whole scene was a little weird period. 

But uh I I think it just to emphasize the fact that she's really, really, really, really, but they keep bringing that up too and she says it the same way. 

I'm Alan and I've been alive for, we know, we know, but the only moment we really need her to be here and meet Amanda. 

She's not here. 

So like you are missing the hands. 

Um Listen, the only other Easter egg which I do think is an Easter egg is right out of the credits when the Enterprise is flying by and NAMI Score is right out of when you would come out of the cold open from the credits. 

And the way like this is like like that nice little like Cris Fly by or Enterprise Flyby. It was just kiss perfect.
 Uh Let's rate this one out of 10 Orion Hurricanes.
 We will go in the reverse order. 

So giraffe you'll hit it with our first rating. Go ahead.
 It's a 10.
 I have no notes. 

Uh Just please, please, please keep that level. There's free be.
 I can't do, I can't do charts anymore.
 Uh Who's that? 

And like this is usually like, did you do this?
 Did you dig?
 I did this turn maybe.
 But like, this was so far, this has been the best episode of the season. Like I, I'm not sure how they're going to improve on this. 

Like maybe the musical is gonna like blow this one away. But right now, no, I hate musicals.
 Right? 

Oh boy. 

Two weeks from now it's gonna be gonna be fun. 

Eric. 

Um Going into this episode, part of me was like, are they just releasing this early to steer away from the bad press of canceling prodigy? 

And that's what, you know, was in my head the whole time I was watching this. But you know what?
 It didn't matter because this episode is fucking perfect.
 It's a 10 for me. 

It might be my favorite episode of Star Trek. I love it that much.
 But it's that good.
 Matthew. 

I'm gonna say it's enough Orion hurricanes to make my eyes huge and my arms be all wiggly and yeah, so uh not, I can't count that high. 

I can't count that high.
 The, the sheer number of ta ons alone would blow my mind. 

So it's, it's that much that I enjoyed it and you know we're, we're gonna see what happens because yeah, that musical episode is coming up soon. 

I'm someone who has a, a pretty deep knowledge of musical, so I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen. 

It's like, yeah, yeah, I might have to. But yeah.
 Um phenomenal episode.
 Very happy with this one. 

Uh over on the youtube collective Michael Quan gives us a 10 out of 10 trek crossover episodes, Jim mcmahon. 

10 out of 10 noss playing Dom Job badly.
 K Quinn.
 Nine out of 10 creepy smiles.
 Uh STM CD 1701 10 out of 10 Orion hurricanes top shelf. Uh Jedi Cat, 10 out of 10 or hurricanes. 

He 99 out of 10 buying Orion hurricanes for everyone on the US s Stranger pod. Thank you.
 Uh That's gonna be an expensive fucking bar tab Tara.
 10 out of 10 high pitched me screams. 

I'm making a tiktok, don't you worry, we, I'm giving this one a 20 Eric summers 10 out of 10 are hurricanes. 

I'm under the table and over the moon, Norman Buckwald 10 out of 10 easily. I think I gave it a 2 million out of 10 on Twitter. 

So I'm sticking with 2 million out of 10 Eric not to steal your thunder, but I think this is probably made it into the top three. 

Maybe it's my favorite.
 I've watched it five times already and I'm probably gonna watch it at sixth after the pod. 

When we got the screener for this, I watched it twice and then every single day I've watched it at least twice. 

Um II, I didn't mention this on the pod and I'm sorry, I know we're going super late, but I do have to bring this up this an hour later. 

I know we did, we did.
 Um This episode was another catalyst to make cly want to watch more. Star Trek and that is always a win. 

We watched so much, Star Trek. 

After this, we watched, we watched trials and tribulations and she lost it. 

She loved it. 

And then she was like, I want more and then we watched trouble with Edward and she lost it. 

And then she was like, I just want to watch more Star Trek. It doesn't need to be a crossover.
 So I showed her Q and A and she loved it. 

Um We watched Short Trek and she watched the, I can't remember the one with Michael, the, the stars, the Girl under the Stars or um that one she wanted to see the Michael when we watched that as well. 

So love that so much. 

Um Matthew, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on once again, please plug away. 

Tell us where people can find you. What do you have coming up? Good, sir.
 All right. 

Well, folks can check me out pretty much on everything uh at Trek untold and I hope that they please do especially right now with what's going on in Hollywood. 

Uh You know, my show is a interview centric show. 

Uh Although I have started to dabble a little bit interviewing uh here and there a little bit tiny bit that's again, coming to a pause because what's going on out of respect. 

Um But yeah, my show for the most part is interviewing folks who are in and around the Star Trek Universe. 

And now it's a great time to get caught up and especially, you know, since talk to a lot of actors, a lot of performers for what's going on. 

Now, if you want to get more of an understanding and appreciation for who these folks are that are currently on strike, please check out the podcast. 

Then I, I decided to actually day or two ago to do one or a few days ago to do this one more final special episode before I take my, my summer break. 

And I'm doing basically a Hollywood strike special. 

And so you guys are hearing this for the first time. 

I haven't posted anything on social media because I've been really damn busy. 

Um So I haven't even posted this on social yet. 

And to let you guys know, I've got six special guests on this episode. 

We're doing a panel discussion with and they're all guests who've been on my show before. 

So, representing the WG A, the Writers Guild, I've got Lisa Klink and she's gonna talk about what's going on with the Writers Guild and why they're on strike. 

And then that leads into our discussion with, with members of SA A and uh they're talking about all of the misconceptions, all the misinformation and also giving you guys really quite honestly a hell of a lot more information than we're hearing from the media and that and there is a lot out there, but I've got Tim Lubas who appeared in uh season seven of Tng. 

I've got Bertil Duas who was in uh DS nine, a secon from the marquee part one and two. 

And in Voyager in episode, I can't remember at the moment.
 But uh it's a bo eccentric episode which is one of my favorites of all time in Voyager. 

Um I've got Phil Morris, multi time Star Trek guy from way back in the original series, Star Trek Three Ds Nine Enterprise, like this guy's done it all. 

And as far as character actor goes, this guy has done everything. Uh and then Armin shimmer and Kitty swink.
 Oh, nice. 

So, and, and a lot of these folks who I'm talking to have also served as board members uh with S A after. 

So they know a lot of insight, Bertil, his's husband is part of the group that negotiated uh what's going on right now, apparently. 

So this is like some real deep heavy insider information here. 

So if you want to really understanding of what's happening with these strikes, uh better educate yourself and also better educate yourself to talk to other people about what's going on and help them understand why this stuff is important. 

You know, we're talking to a I, we're talking residuals, we're talking to health care. 

There's so many issues. 

So that is this Thursday. 

Uh, as long as long as everything's done in time because it's a lot of stuff to put together in the last, uh on such short minute notice. 

But it's a big one. 

I highly recommend it. 

It's gonna be my last one until summer's over basically. 

So that's what's going on with me. 

And uh I think the last time I actually was here was like for season one of Strange New World. 

I think it was like tradition.
 It's tradition and way back when for uh Ghost of please. 

Now check out youtube dot com slash at Trek untold because everything's been moved over there. 

I lost and in doing so I basically lost all the old subscribers. I had, I lost all my old views that I had.
 So I basically started over from scratch in November.
 So I definitely could use the support. 

I could use the subscribers. 

I could use the views if you're new or if you're an old fan, you're not already following Truck Untold. 

Please do so.
 Uh That'll be amazing. 

So I don't wanna thank you guys again because I always love doing this show with you guys. 

Uh my show is very, it's very solo. 

I don't get to really talk to people and as far as like a group and have these kinds of discussions, I'm talking real deep, heavy stuff with writers, actors, performers, whatever. 

So it's nice to actually get to be a fan.
 And uh I'm always appreciative that you guys are willing to bring me on.
 So thank you for letting me be part of your community tonight.
 You are very welcome.
 We love having you and we will definitely have you on again soon.
 We are not going to take up any more of your time because you sound busy as hell. So go edit.
 Have fun.
 Uh It was a pleasure, sir.
 Thank you all so very much.
 Thank you to all the uh strange new pod chatters as well.
 I'll see you guys soon.
 Thank you.
 Fortune favors the ball y'all. 

And with that, we are going to go into the subs, space up hole and mail bag and we asked Twitter, what the hell is that? 

Click on shit? 

Stain Elon done? 

Like what the fuck is it now? 

It's something like uh Jesus. 

Uh Anyway, we asked whatever that social media platform is called. 

Now, uh what they thought about those old scientists and this is what they had to say, who wants it? 

Who wants to read the numbers? 

I'll do it, hit it. 

We asked Twitter and they said 65% said Warps honor. 

19% said more Orion hurricanes. 

4% said I'm going with it and 12% said hell, hell's in these 12. 

I'm gonna guess that some of the people just thought that was also a good option and went with that because if, if you hated this episode who hurt you. 

Like, I actually asked someone that on her Instagram and they got very pissy and I blocked them. 

It was fun.
 Uh Yeah.
 Ok.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, they didn't like it.
 Uh Let's see, we're in the mail bag now and it was Eric, which means it's Hawk. Uh Can you take JMC Trek's mail bag, please? 

Sure. 

JMC Trek wrote. 

Absolutely. 

Love those old scientists. 

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. 

It was great to see Jack and Tony's verbal sparring on lower deck translates really well to on screen live action chemistry in. 

Indeed. 

And draft you take Eric the Reds, please. 

Eric the red wrote. 

Oh my God. 

This was a fun episode. 

I knew this episode would bring the laugh, but I had no idea. 

It would have every member of the bridge crew interact with Boner and Mariner. 

It's a clever mix of a strange new world and a lower deck episode woven together of the animated book. 

Hands to the episode. 

Love that the episode contributes to the development of the strange new world characters, Jack and Tony were amazing. 

Lots of heartfelt moments.
 A solid 10 out of 10.
 Very nice.
 I'll take Fes Fes wrote.
 This was an absolute delight.
 Lower decker being lower decker causing mayhem in strange new worlds was 

everything my heart desired. 

And we also had character development for the Stranger World's crew. 

10 out of 10. 

No further comments. 

Uh Eric, you take strange free worlds, please. 

Strange Free World wrote so much fun. 

The ransom reaction to the poster at the end was a nice meta touch. 

So SPM was disturbing in the best way possible. 

Wasn't expecting a touch of car two weeks in a row. 

It's very true. 

A hawk with Michael Quan, please. 

Sure, Michael Quan wrote, I got home late from a hot, humid draining Saturday and bad freeway traffic. 

I watched this episode and smiled the whole time and ended up with a full heart. The writers and producers got the balance and tone right? 

But could not have done it without Jack Quade embodying Brad Boyer so fully and Tony Newsom becoming Beckett Mariner, the SNW crew were great in their reactions to these two forces of chaos. 

Ultimately, though it was amazing that it was the animated characters that were the most caring and most human of the episode so true. 

We were literally talking about that for a lot of the episode. Uh draft.
 You get the Romulan again, time travel.
 I I want to say because we're reading the mail bag. 

I want to thank everybody that sent me private emails and D MS for thanking me for my review of Charades Pizza 205. 

Right?
 I read every single one of yours.
 I listened to all the even like vocal messages that I saw.
 Uh I didn't answer everybody, but thank you.
 I, I took note of all your praise and all your thanks and everything. 

Uh, so pro time traveler deep down, I thought they'd use butler's knowledge of the past to further cement some of the changes the show has made like having him come on a war or imply that chaplains Park has some famous relationship. 

Instead, I got the opposite trouble finding out her relationship with Park is not one for the history books was the first time I could see the show's plan for these two characters using bun's expectation to get me on us was brilliant and may have even settled me down about some of my own reservations. 

I just have to try my best to enjoy the characters for what they are now rather than who they will become even if that's sort of an ironic task after the last shot of episode six. 

True.
 Oh my God.
 That's a good review.
 Uh Jessa wrote, I think this may be my favorite episode of the season so far.
 It was my top kind of episode, an episode where you would have fun watching. I laughed so much and loved all the little references and character moments. Erica was a highlight for sure.
 Loved the scene so much.
 It's just a slight, such a delight to see the crew as a family.
 And the final two D two D scene was the perfect finale.
 Another freaks great. 

And moving on back to Eric with Taras, please, Limerick, because I want her to have written The Limerick. 

That, that's what she did. 

That's what she did. 

She wrote her own and she wrote, she wrote two this week. 

Yes. 

Uh This, I think this is my favorite episode of Trek ever. 

It made me so happy. 

I barely have words. 

I love the surprise of the intro in animation and it was beautiful. 

And then the final scene book ending the episode, a gift to the fans on the level of all the worlds of stage. 

Brave Tuti and now your limericks. 

Yes. 

Two. 

These old scientists, 207 Chromos BB aum readings require a survey that its portal is activated like some time bending. 

Causeway young Boer tumbles through and of course manners like, hey, me too. And the de Locket Pikes party allows a Fascinatingly animated display.
 That was very nice.
 That was really good. 

And then Boer's unspoken apology, Limerick. 

Um I had so many thrill expectations, imagining meeting heroes with their stellar reputations when I presumed who you are now was subsumed. 

Your enterprise.
 Dash Nothing has rocked my foundations. Love it. 

Absolutely. 

Love it. 

Uh Ha Can you take Jedi cats please? 

Jedi cat wrote the those old scientists was the episode I was most excited about and it delivered a love letter to Star Trek and its fans alike. 

It was equal parts exciting, funny and heartfelt like many of the best Trek episodes, Jack White and Tony Newsom had such a great rapport with the cast and I love that every crew member had a moment with Boyer and, or Mariner. 

All the creatives behind this episode, including Jonathan Franks deserve every kudos and it would be a crime if it gets shut out of the Emmys. 

But it probably will. 

Yeah. 

Uh draft with Christmas, please. 

Chris wrote those old scientists look pretty young and real. 

This episode, it hit every cliche correctly and made them, made them work so well. 

Tony Newman News, I suppose. 

No, he's making the joke because she used to have her Twitter handle be Troy Newman. 

OK. 

Rondy Newman killed it interacting and Jack became bom bom so well, it is almost uncanny. 

This episode was well be may well be at the top of my list of track episodes. Full top stop.
 Nice.
 Haven wrote. 

The episode is exactly the crossover that we needed.
 It may be the only official crossover that we have seen in Trek. 

No, because of trial and tribulations. 

Tng and Ds nine Voyager and Ds Nine. 

There's a few, there's a lot, actually, there's a good amount um uh that we've seen in Trek, but I was recently reminded of the last great crossover that we had in the show that only exists in our memories if we don't have physical media. 

Star Trek prodigy, save star Trek prodigy.
 It even actually returned my feelings I had of lower deck season one and two.
 Very nice.
 Koru uh Eric with Collins, please.
 And D wrote.
 Seriously, Jack and Tony knocked it out of the park.
 It's one thing to crack up and be silly when you're in a booth with a mic.
 It's quite another to bring that energy to live action and to do it as well as they did. Really pleased with getting a little bit of from each of the strange new world cast too. They were all individually so enjoyable.
 My favorite thing, so many hilarious boil their screams.
 I laughed and laughed.
 Ransom's reaction to the poster was a cool touch too.
 Love this 1.
 10 out of 10.
 Very nice and take us home, please.
 Hawk with an Nyr lights, please.
 Yes, Nyr I wrote this might.
 This will be one of those episodes that regularly makes my rewatch list. 

It was funny, heartwarming and very much Trek. 

I also appreciated that the writers acknowledge fans who question how far they can take the Spock Chapel romance, given what we know of the T OS era and beyond. 

My one quibble is, I wish we had seen 10 D's grandmother on screen. I rarely give tens, but this episode is 10 hot una recruitment.
 Very nice.
 End it. 

Uh Speaking of ending it, we gotta go. 

It's late guys. 

This was a blast. 

Two quick announcements, join us this Wednesday me draft probably MC I think maybe Matthew again as long as he's not terribly busy editing. 

Uh and Hawk Eric's gonna sit this one out because he doesn't watch trailers. 

Uh We are going to do a San Diego comic-con wrap up on Wednesday. 

Same bad time, same bad place and then join us the very next day for a review of episode 208, which I believe is titled off the top of my head among the fog of war. 

So close, so close. 

Oh, yeah, because I was speaking about Roman and all the time I can tell you and joining us are our dear, dear, dear friends for that one, the Duras sisters. 

So a lot going on this week for Hawk for Eric. 

Oh, also um we will be at boda so get your tickets, the, the presales or the sale is on right now. 

So the early bread prices are still in effect until August 9th.
 So get your tickets now.
 Yep, that's right.
 So for Hawk for Eric for draft, I am Julian Live Long and Prosper. 

Ma Good night.
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