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Amy: 5, 4, 3, 2, one.

 

ALL: Hello!

 

AP: Thanks everyone for joining us again. We are today going to be talking about Dead Files, episode Inviting Evil.

 

We haven't done a recap in a while. So this is going to get the and the brains exercising again.

 

Megan: I hope we remember how to do it.

 

AP: So inviting evil is on Max and on travel channel on demand Season, 9 Episode 9, because there weren't episodes that were changed out from that from that season.

 

We wanna thank our patron Shanna for requesting this one it is a very interesting and I will forewarn a little dark episode a little darker than normal.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: So again, thank you, Shanna, for sending that out.  Listeners, if you would like us to cover your favorite episode, please shoot us a message or an email.

 

Megan: Hmm.

 

AP: Or private message. Anything that you can get to get to us at some point, Carrier pigeon.

 

Amy: Carrier pigeon.

 

Megan: Carrier pigeon , falcon.

 

AP: You know, falcons just might eat something, but nonetheless…

 

Megan: They did it in Game Of Thrones.

 

Amy: Then it’s possible.

 

AP: Send us an episode and why you liked it. We'll let you. We'll take all recommendations. Yeah.

 

Amy, what are we warning people about today.

 

Amy: We are warning about. Let's see. There is talk of suicide and suicidal thoughts, depression, a recent loss of a spouse. That's just very quickly mentioned. It's not dwelled upon, really. Murder and sexual assault.

 

But we will not be going into anything too much I don't think. I mean we may talk about the murder and stuff. But yes, nothing that will…We're not going to get to Grizzly.

 

Megan: Maybe brown bear, but not grizzly.

 

Amy: Oh That reminds me, we were going to chat about the bear situation.

 

Megan: Oh!

 

Amy: AP brought this up to me in a chat. We didn't bother Megan because she was busy at work, or whatever, and so then then then Amy sent us a really cute video of a bear.

 

 AP: At the wildlife nature center.

 

Amy: It's like, Hey, that whole bear thing that's going on like, yeah, we're gonna talk about that.

 

Megan: It's always the bear, always the bear.

 

Amy: Always the bear. So, guys, if you don't know what we're talking about, there is. I don't know what you wanna call it…

 

Megan: Social media trend.

 

AP: It’s all over social media

 

Amy: It’s all over social media

 

Megan: Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok.

 

Amy: I haven't seen it on Facebook. Honestly, I don't hardly go on Facebook. I don't.

 

Megan: I don’t go on Facebook, either. Reels heavy.

 

Amy: But I've seen probably 50 videos on TikTok, the question being, when you ask a woman, if she's alone in the woods. Would she rather be confronted or meet a bear or a man and she will pick bear. Every time.

 

Megan: Every

 

Amy: Every time.

 

Megan: Single, time.

 

AP: This is not a Hallmark movie.

 

Amy and Megan: No.

 

Megan: And the reason being, and I've seen so many good lines in the in the comments is like, “if you meet a bear, you know their intentions”, or “a bear will leave me alone”, or “a bear doesn't see me as a threat”, or “if I get attacked by a bear, somebody will believe me.”

 

AP: Yes.

 

Megan: “If I get attacked by a bear, they won't ask me what I was wearing”.

 

Amy L and AP: Yup.

 

Megan: or “they won't ask me how much I've had to drink”, or “why I was out there”.

 

AP: You know what? They might ask you why you were out there, but.

 

Megan: But it won't take away from they. They won't be blaming me. They'll just be like..

 

Amy: Victim blaming. Yeah.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Megan: So every single time I don't care. I, polar bear, grizzly, bear, brown bear, panda, bear, koala bear it'll all be…I know, koala bear, not a bear, but.

 

AP: Black bear.

 

Megan: Did I not say that?

 

AP: Correct.

 

Megan: Oh, black bear.

 

Megan: which is the super most dangerous one. I think it's grizzly bear in North America.

 

AP: Well, North America is Polar.

 

Megan: But Lower North America is grizzly. Are they the ones with the hump?

 

AP: Yes.

 

Megan: Yes. Still prefer them to a man. But yeah, it's and the men are like, “why? My mom was mauled by a grizzly bear.”

 

AP: The ones who are doing it, though the ones who are doing that are the ones who are the “not all men” guys, because the ones who are not those guys don't have to say don't have to say, “not all men”, and they also are the ones that say “you know, when I'm walking, and I'm coming up quickly on somebody, because I have a long stride. I move way over. I cross the street. Or I say, hey! Approaching on your left.”

 

Which you should do anytime you're out on a walk, run hike, biking anything like that. You should always tell people you're coming up behind them.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: I saw one guy, and he was reading statistics, and there was like 466 bear attacks. Since 1786.

 

And like…

 

Amy: Gotta go way back to get that many.

 

Megan: Maybe a dozen have been fatal. And then he did another one, and it was like, how many women have been attacked by men, and he's like 433,000 per year. Women are attacked by men and I don't remember those numbers correctly.

 

AP: Probably throwing out of the first ones are probably not accurate since 1776. But yes, nonetheless.

 

Megan: The point is, there's infinite… You're infinitely more in danger from a man than a bear.

 

AP: I would say I would recommend. If you are on Facebook, go check out James Fell. He's an author he's Canadian, but he had a post out there today, which is what spiked my sent to Amy on this.

 

He rides bike up in Canada, and he had over 50 encounters with a bear last year with different bears. Last year he just happened to see them. Never had any like physical encounter with them.

 

But he posted that. He's like yeah 100%. Understand why women would always choose the bear.

 

Amy: I mean, a man would probably choose a bear if you asked him.

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Megan: No because they're not going to get graped by a man. Most of them.

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Amy: They could still get murdered.

 

AP: Yes.

 

Megan: They can.

 

AP: yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: So that's what we.

 

AP: It’s an interesting social experiment.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: It really is. And it's really it's really sad. And the fact that there are people who are still denying it is like what's wrong with our society. The fact that the but.

 

AP: Literally.

 

Megan: I mean, every almost every woman would say a bear, and that should tell you something. They're they're more afraid of a predator than a man, I mean they're less afraid of a predator.

 

Amy: Yeah

 

AP: yeah,

 

Amy: Well, and this also ties a little bit into the 4b movement that everyone's been talking about.

 

Megan: Oh, yeah.

 

Amy: And it's always those certain guys that come on all upset. And now then, they're making their own 4G movement.

 

AP: Well.

 

Amy: It’s laughable.

 

Megan: 5.  5G I think, is what it's called

 

Amy: 5G. Cause they gotta have one more.

 

Megan: Well, of course, cause they're.

 

AP: So they’re working for the Internet companies and the phone systems.

 

Megan: Verizon and AT&T started in. And then T-mobile's kind of picked it up. It's really.

 

AP: Got it.

 

Megan: Getting momentum.

 

Amy: Yeah. And they're like, “Well, fine, then we're not gonna date you.” It's like.

 

Megan: Oh no!

 

AP: Like you had a choice in the matter.

 

Amy: Oh Darnit.

 

Megan: Exactly. That's the thing, though. It's like it's like the the people that you're gonna break up with. And they're like, “Well, I'm gonna break up with you first”, and it's like.

 

AP: These these guys are the ones who would call themselves alphas!

 

Megan: Oh!

 

Amy: Yes.

 

AP: Immediate red flag.

 

Amy: Yes, I saw a really cute video of this guy. He's in his car, and he's like “4B movement. I'm 100 for it. I love it. Go for it. Please take me with you.”

 

 

Amy: He's like “You gotta think about all the soft boys out there. We're not all like that, you know, and so, you know, don't leave us with them.”

 

Megan: A woman, and she was talking, and she was like the 4 B movement is really serious. And I'm like, how did this bitch end up on my fyp. But then she goes, “okay. So everybody, every woman is gonna die with a cat. Are we gonna run out of cats?” And she was like, and I'm like, no, but you had me going.

 

AP: Well And I saw I just happened to see other ones of a guy, just kind of talking through. And he goes, “you know. I'm in tech. And when we talk about Alpha, that's like the first version of things. And that's like the tester version for everything to go wrong with.”

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: Soand for everybody. This is from like working with people who work with animals. They all took this from being the alpha wolf.

 

They don't use the term alpha anymore. And I think part of it is because of this stupid...

 

Amy: Connotation.

 

AP: Yes, because so it's a It's the breeding pair that's who leads a pack is the breeding female in the breeding male.

 

Amy: Oh.

 

AP: Amy, you got housekeeping.

 

Amy: Oh, yes, today in our world, today is April 29^th. But this is coming out in 4 weeks, 4 and a half weeks. So that day is Amy Allan's birthday.

 

Megan: Happy Birthday Amy!

 

AP: Ooh a Gemini.

 

Amy: The day that this comes out is Amy Alan's birthday.

 

Megan: We won’t hold it against her.

 

Amy: So happy birthday, Amy Allan, we love you, we love you, please come on our show.

 

AP: Happy Birthday!

 

Megan: We love you so much. Come on our show will be nice.

 

Amy: Yup. We’ll fawn all over you.

 

Megan: We probably won't even form a coherent sentence. We'll just all be drooling at you.

 

AP: Some of us will be able to form a coherent sentence.

 

Megan: Not me.

 

Amy: I can probably keep it together while it's happening. I'm going to be a I'm going to be a mess in the beginning, and I'd be a mess afterwards.

 

Megan: I will be sweating profusely.

 

Amy: Yeah,

 

Megan: Like just…there's not enough deodorant that will

 

AP: Wear black that day.

 

Megan:  keep the stench off my body. I'm gonna need to.

 

Amy: I have a feeling. I know we're acting like it's already scheduled.

 

Megan: I know, it’s not.

 

Amy: We do not have Amy Allan scheduled.

 

Megan: We do…

 

Amy: on the show

 

Megan: You guys would be the first to know when.

 

Amy: Yeah, we but we are hoping we're hoping.

 

Megan: We're manifesting.

 

Amy: We're manifesting. We're pretending like it's already happening.

 

Megan: Yes.

 

Amy: Yeah, I we would love to have her on. I think it would be a blast. But you know what I've seen her like do lives and stuff. She is so like cool and down to earth. I have a feeling that within minutes we'd all just be comfortable. I don't think we'd still be fan girling. We'd just get used to it, I think.

 

Megan: Have we met?

 

Amy: She's cause. She's cool.

 

Megan: She is cool, and that's why I'd be like. “Oh, my God, Amy! Allan, I love you so much. Be my friend forever! Bff!”

 

Amy: No pressure though.

 

Megan: And she’ll be like, “I gotta go.”

 

Amy: Like. “Oh, look at the time.”

 

Megan: Just gotta go. So.

 

Amy: Except she probably wouldn't do it in a Minnesota accent.

 

Megan: No, she'd be like “heart attack”. Just kidding. I love you, Amy Allan. I love you so much. Okay, so happy birthday, Amy Allan. We hope you have a wonderful day, and it's super relaxing, and you do everything you want to do. Whenever that entails.

 

Amy: Hopefully that includes listening to this podcast.

 

Megan: Of course it does. She probably has it set to download right at midnight.

 

Amy: I hope so. Alright. So

 

Amy: AP. Has written an overview, and she is going to read that for us.

 

AP: Yeah. Today we are traveling to Berthoud, Colorado to meet Rebecca, her mom, Linda and Rebecca's boyfriend, Mike.

 

Rebecca, grew up in the home that her parents built in 1984, and she has lived there on and off throughout her adult years, and currently lives there with her mom. Her father passed away about 6 months before the crews were there was he impacted by what's happening in the house.

 

Rebecca is feeling targeted by whatever is in the house and not just at her house, but also when she stays with her boyfriend Mike at his house, she's being physically assaulted, and more.

 

She shares pictures as some of the worst bruises and scratches I've seen shown on the show.

Something is definitely going on here.

 

Rebecca and her childhood friend Heidi have both seen different things that will make your skin crawl. We'll describe more later.

 

We learned that Mike and Rebecca have dabbled in a few different things, including the 12.99 demon board.

 

Does this have anything to do with the situation at hand?

 

Steve investigates everything from a recent relatively recent 12 years deadly car crash to testing the water for contamination due to fracking. We also learn a little history of the nearby property with yet another brutal murder that happened in the late 1800s.

 

Amy explains that she is pretty sick during the episode, and waits to open until she's on site, which is not what she normally does, Amy exclaims. There's a lot of chaotic energy coming from the living, not the dead. She talks about what appears to be a very confused, delusional shadow person who believes a living woman is a shadow person and needs to return to their realm with it.

 

A lot comes out at the reveal, including eye rolls from Amy, the blame game from one of the clients in a very unhappy Steve.

 

Is Rebecca able to live peacefully in her home with her mom stay tuned to find out if the activity continues.

 

Amy: Very nice.

 

Megan: I'm doing everything I can to not talk about what I really want to talk about, because we're not there yet and everybody else.

 

Amy: We all have the same feeling.

 

Megan: I know it's true.

 

Megan: That's why it's so great cause. We're almost always on the same page with the podcast. Or with the episode.

 

Amy: Yeah. Especially when it pertains to this sort of thing.

 

Megan: The Demon Board?

 

AP: Yep

 

Amy: Well that, too. But the person running…

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Amy: The No-No Board.

 

AP: Yep.

 

Amy: Yeah, when it in the opening credits, when they show him. And he says, well, we did mess around with the Ouija board. I wrote “Ruh-Roh”.

 

AP: No, I always fast forward through those. The opening credits.

 

Megan: I do, too. Or I have it playing while I'm like getting ready. So like I don't even pay attention to ‘em.

 

Amy: Oh, well, I like it.

 

AP: I have.

 

Megan: That's good!

 

AP: I love, how I have all my notes Color coded! So I know which person was talking at.

 

Amy: Oh, mine are too.

 

AP: Yep

 

Amy: Oh, you can't see that! But they are.

 

AP: Nope! But I do have at the beginning here, Steve is talking about Rebecca thinks something is killing her from the inside out, and I just said, “Great sounds like fun”. We got another help or they'll die situation.

 

Amy: Yes get your Bingo cards out. There's a few in this one.

 

Megan: There's a few in this one.

 

AP: Definitely a few, and I caught pretty early on when Matt was doing the clearing. There was a lot of unique artifacts, multiple religious type things so not just Christianity. But I saw.

 

There was a Buddha, there was a dream catcher. There was a lot of stuff that went across different religions.

 

Megan: But I'm wondering if it's because she was so tormented that she was just grasping at straws.

 

Amy: Trying everything?

 

AP: I have a theory, but we'll talk about that later on.

 

Megan: Okay.

 

Amy: One of the first things I noted is that Amy sounded sick as a fucking dog.

 

Megan: she sounds like she smokes a pack a day.

 

Amy: [raspy] Her voice was like this

 

AP: And that's when she tells us, yeah, she's sick. So that's why she's opening at the house. But one of the things that she says right off the bat is. She sees blood everywhere.

 

Amy: Yes.

 

AP: Very dreamlike. A woman is crying. It's a nightmare. I'm like, what is the blood everywhere for, like.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: And she said it was like sliding down the walls or something.

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Amy: And I I wonder.

 

Megan: Nice picture, but I don't like it.

 

Amy: I wondered if it was part of like her delirium or something. Because it didn't really seem to have much to do with.

 

AP: No, and it didn't really tie into anything later on in the show. So it was just like that 1 point. But it was creepy.

 

Amy: Yeah, it was.

 

Megan: Which is rare for Amy.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: I put next that we go back to Steve and he goes. I can hear the desperation in your voice. It's like very chill, Steve.

 

Amy: You mentioned the the dad who had passed away 6 months prior kidney failure, but he died in hospice, not at the house, and we see a photo, and then.

 

AP: He was 82, by the way.

 

Amy: Okay.  And she says that he had depression as well.

 

AP: -Hmm.

 

Amy: And I immediately wondered if, like either he killed himself or maybe drank himself into.

 

Megan: But wouldn't that be more liver failure?

 

Amy: Well, I think that alcohol will kill all your organs, but definitely it’s the liver, is the first thing to go.

 

AP: It would go towards liver, but yeah, I actually, they also said, like he, saw people who weren't there kind of thing. And so it made me wonder if there wasn't actually more something going on in his brain more than depression.

 

And that and that's I did find his obituary. And that's why I had that other thought about in the obituary I talked about that he was a a study of native American culture.

 

So I'm curious if those artifacts were not.

 

Megan: oh yeah

 

AP: Her thinking of things, but that he had brought them in throughout the years as part of his own you know, broadening of horizons.

 

Megan: Yeah he would say that he had visitors today. I had visitors today, but I know they're not real.

 

Amy: Well, that was probably in Hospice, because that. That does happen.

 

AP: It sounded like they said that it was before that he left the hospital.

 

Amy: Oh, really. Yeah.

 

Megan:  The way that I got it is, he would say that in the house, like when he was not like…

 

As super sick as he was like, you would just say, Oh, you know I had visitors today like.

 

AP: My grandma was like that.

 

Megan: Did you get the milk and the eggs.

 

AP: But along with that, we hear a little bit from Rebecca about, you know what I already said, they grew up in the house. Blah! Blah! Blah!

 

She thinks that the activity got bad 2 years ago, when they started fracking for oil in the area. Which fracking is blasting through rock with water, sometimes sand and other things and chemicals, in order to extrude oil from the area.

 

Megan: Yeah, I was very glad they explained it in the episode.

 

Amy: I was too. Yeah.

 

Megan: Because I had no idea what it was.

 

AP: And she also said that not only did he have depression, but they've done some cleansings. Had an exorcist have had demonologies come out, each one is helped for a short time, and that's key to remember, just as in Easter egg, right here. And I just put down all the classic signs of what we hear.

 

Megan: But this one was, I mean, the activity was the worst. I think I've ever heard in the show, with what was being done to her.

 

Amy: Yeah, it was a lot of like people are getting thrown around and stuff.

 

AP: Not people. One person.

 

Amy: Oh, okay. One person.

 

AP: Yes, she got and this is where Amy says about the chaotic energy, it's from the living. There's too much noise. Alot of yelling, a man and a woman. Yeah.

 

Then we cut away to where Rebecca is talking about how she got pushed, and she got knocked over a knee wall and Steve goes, “I hate to be an ass, but are yeah clumsy at all?” And I just put okay, Steve, clumsy people don't just stumble around.

 

Megan: No like. What do you think we're doing? Just like Whoa.

 

AP: I've can’t even walk today. Why do I have one roller skate on?

 

Megan: Bless her heart, she goes, “Not that clumsy Steve.”

 

Amy: Not that clumsy.

 

Megan: Clumsy is like you grab a glass and drop it. Not. “Oh, shit. I'm gonna trip over a fucking wall.” Steven.

 

 Amy: Well, and then, when she explains that she saw this black creature with tentacles. And shiny, and it has no face, and he says, Are you on any medication?

 

AP: Yep, classic.

 

Megan: which is code, for “are you boozin’?”

 

Amy: Ya boozin’?

 

Megan: We're boozing or medication. We don't do both, but we'll do one or the other.

 

Amy: That's right.

 

And then, when she shows the the photos which AP. We refer to, those were horrendous. Those were some really bad bruises, and.

 

Megan: They were. Usually when you see a bruise or a scratch on the show. At least for me. It's faint.

 

AP: OR looks like a cat scratch, or …

 

Megan: I have to squint, and like, is it there? This was like there was blood in these photos, like it was, and the bruise was purple.

 

AP: and these were big bruises.

 

Amy: And was like Of her arm or leg, or whatever appendage that was.

 

Megan: It wasn't like a little like little bruise.

 

AP: Didn’t he ask if it was the cats?

 

Amy: Yes, he asked if it was the cats

 

AP: And she says the cats sleep in their own room at night.

 

So she did also mention that she's been assaulted in her bed.  And, as Steve said, “glad I took this case.”

 

There was a point in the episode, too, with Rebecca as she’s talking with Steve at this point, and she talks about getting punched in the face in her bed, and she got a tooth knocked out.

 

You know that someone was like, take it out, cause she's a flipper. So flippers are typically wait, if somebody gets in like hockey or something, because it's not permanent yet.

 

Megan: Yeah. She took it out..

 

Amy: Yeah She was like right here, and then she just yanked it up.

 

AP: Yeah. And you, you know that that was that wasn't just her doing that. That was definitely somebody I'm like, did we? Did we really need to have her.

 

Megan: but I guess for the doubters, I mean I kinda get it. But I mean she said she was laying in bed, and she went to sit up, and she said she got punched so hard in the face that it knocked her tooth out, and she was like, “was it the cats?” I'm just kidding. He didn't say that, but it wouldn't surprise.

 

Amy: Not that time he didn’t. Yeah. Well, I was wondering like if there was something above her bed that she could have woken up and smashed her head into, but it didn’t look like there was anything over her bed.

 

Megan: Mouth like a bar, would have had to be here. And how hard are you smashing your mouth.

 

AP: And it wasn't her front tooth.

 

Megan: No, it was. This is.

 

Amy: Over here. Yeah.

 

Megan: Her canine.

 

Amy: Her canine.

 

AP: But yeah, after this conversation with Steve. We cut to Amy. And what does Amy say?

 

It wants to take her through the walls.

 

Amy: Yes.

 

AP: She's probably there's probably this person probably has bruises and scratches because it can't take living things through the walls, but if it does, she'll just go missing.

 

Megan: Yeah, which is terrifying. And it makes me wonder how many people who are missing have actually been taken to another realm.

 

And if that happens. Sorry I'm gonna go down a little bit of a rabbit hole here. But, like, if that happens -  a tangent, if you will - does that like. Does that affect your your longevity? Would you live the same amount of time in another realm?

 

Could you live longer and and or shorter? I mean, how does that work?

 

Amy: I don't know,

 

Megan: because, like books that I read, I do read books, and they talk about going into the Fae world and like time is so much slower that, like you could be in the Fae world for 60 years, and only like a year has passed in the human world so like, what if that happens?

 

That would be horrific if it was terrible. I mean just food for thought. Everybody. You're welcome.

 

Amy: All I know is I loved when Amy was talking about them trying to take her through the walls, and she goes, which doesn't work when you're alive.

 

 

Amy Allan Sound Clip: Uh trying to take them through the walls which doesn’t work when you’re alive.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP:  mnn hmmm

 

Megan: I was like, Oh Amy, I love you.

 

AP: Yeah she was just really confused and like, what is this thing doing like.

 

Amy: yeah

 

AP: Like it's, it's actually a shadow person. But what the hell is it doing?

 

Megan: Because it wasn't really acting the way normal shadow people would act from what I got from her. Yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah, she did say that. I think.

 

Megan: So she's like, well, it's a shadow person, but like not a normal shadow person.

 

 AP: Then after this we meet Heidi.

 

Amy: Yes.

 

Megan: And she was cute.

 

AP: She refuses to go in the house.

 

Amy: I liked her necklace.

 

AP: Yeah

 

Megan: I did too. I liked everything about her. I'm sorry. Not relevant.

 

AP: She refused to. She refused to go in the house because she felt vulnerable with her having recently lost her husband. Yeah. So she also recently lost her husband. But she remembers things from back when they were kids, and seeing something impish?

 

Megan: Which I hate Don't like it.

 

AP: Poiny head, small, sharp teeth, big eyes. And says, I really hope you can help her.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: And then they also talk about when they saw somebody in the barn like Go in the barn, and Steve is like, well, could it have been a barn hand and she goes well, we went down there, and there was nobody there. Steve.

 

Amy: he’s got to ask the questions. Yeah.

 

Megan: I get he’s trying to debunk it, I get it.

 

Amy: Well, then, we see Amy, who sees the demon. She says it has no real body, but has legs and arms, it slithers, it has a fat trunk and a triangle head with ear things. She goes like this ear.

 

Megan: Which the triangle Head and Amy, you would know this maybe better. Ap would know this better than me. But isn't there like a slug, or an amoeba, or something that has like a real or like a there's something that a Planaria Planaria has a big has a triangly head, and that's what I thought of when she said that.

 

Look at me! Oh, my God!

 

Amy: Look at you!

 

Megan: So scientific.

 

Amy: Pulled that word right out of your ass, and I think it's even right.

 

AP: I cant’ remember if it’s planaria, but yeah.

 

Megan: planaria

 

AP: I can't remember if it was that or not.

 

Megan: I’m gonna look it up while you guys talk.

 

AP: I have too many microscopic things going on in my brain, so.

 

Amy: I just remembered when we were talking about this little demon thing, and I cause I thought of it while we were watching the show. I forgot to tell you guys about my dream. Last week the dream I had last week.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Amy: that I was gonna tell you about. I don't know if we wanna get into that right now or not, but but it reminds me of that thing.

 

Megan: Yeah

 

Amy: Alright! It's quick.

 

Megan: What he said.

 

Amy: So I was on a boat. I was with Greg and another friend. I don't know who the other person was, and we were coming back to our boat that we lived on. It was docked and they, Greg, and the other person, stayed on the dock. I went into the boat to let the dogs out.

 

Megan: Okay.

 

AP: So you let the dogs out.

 

Megan: We finally know.

 

Amy: I don't know. I never saw the dog, so I don't know which dogs these were, or if they were, even. If it they were small, though, cause they were all in a small enclosure, and I started to open the dog thing, and I I heard like a whoosh, and I felt like a lightness and I looked over where the window was, cause I was underneath, you know, inside the boat.

 

I looked out, and I could see the ocean below me. I was up in the air.

 

Megan: What?

 

Amy: And then I looked over another window, and what I saw was a giant creature like a whale sort of only it had a triangle, diamond almost, triangly mouth and it was. And it the boat that I'm in is coming back down right into this thing's mouth.

 

 So what I what I surmised happened was that it came under the boat and shot the boat up.

 

Megan: Oh!

 

Amy: And then it was coming down, and it was opening its mouth to receive, to eat.

 

AP: So so it was like it was a cat playing with its food.

 

Amy: Or yeah, kind of. And the cool part about it. Scary but also cool, was, I was like.

 

Okay, “this is it. I'm gonna die. And I don't really wanna know what this is gonna feel like. So I'm just gonna leave my body now.”

 

Megan: Oh, yeah.

 

Amy: And I felt this really weird sensation of like complete calm. Like no sound, no feeling, except for just sort of lightness.

 

And I woke up right after that, and because it was such a scary dream. Usually when I wake up from a scary dream, my heart is going a thousand miles a minute and I'm you know, shaking, and I'm sweating.

 

Megan: Jolt awake. Yeah.

 

Amy: I woke up, and I was like I have never felt so peaceful in my whole life.

 

Megan: Lucid, dreaming, maybe?

 

Amy: It was very bizarre, but cool.

 

Megan: Wow!

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Flatworm, hammerhead flatworm, yep.

 

Amy: Oh, okay.

 

AP: Picture them. I can pictures dissecting them. or not dissecting but looking at them.

 

Megan: And that's what I was thinking of.

 

AP: Yep.

 

Megan: Is a hammerhead flatworm. Anyways.

 

AP: Flatworms are gross.

 

Amy: Cool.

 

AP: So I want to talk a little bit about when we meet. Linda. I don't like this segment.

 

Megan: No, I don't either.

 

AP: I don-.

 

Amy: Oh, she's the mom,

 

 AP & Megan: the mom.

 

AP: So I'm I struggle with this part of it because so she's worried about her daughter. She does. She feels her husband, but doesn't think that's a negative experience. We never hear anything from Amy about. If her husband is still there.

 

And I was curious if there must. If there was an age gap because he was 82, and she.

 

Megan: She looks. Maybe sixties.

 

AP: So I would say, early seventies is kind of where, like late sixties, early seventies is where I was putting her. But she talks about not feeling good. Sitting in the chair now. The chair is right next to his armchair.

 

Megan: Yep.

 

AP: In the room that they probably spent a lot of time together. Yeah.

 

Steve, then says, “Can you sit in the chair? I'm curious if anything happens while I'm here,” because she talks about a pressure.

 

Amy: Yeah, like on her chest. Yeah.

 

AP: I, personally don't think anything of this is paranormal. I think this is sadness. I think this is.

 

Megan: Or grief.

 

AP: immense grief and sadness, and everything of sitting in the same spot next to his chair, that he spen probably years of his life in with her. Yeah. And I did not like that. They had her in there, that they asked her to sit in that because.

 

Megan: You could tell. It took a toll.

 

Amy: Really bothered her. You could tell, yeah.

 

AP: Yeah, and and yes. Steve, she says, I don't feel good in reference to it, and at Steve's like she starts crying. Steve's like.

 

“oh, can I hug you”  And she's like, “yeah, that's why I don't want to spend any time in here”.

My grandpa was the same way. Once my grandma died he was adamant that he did not want to go into a nursing home, or any of that sort of stuff, or a assisted living facility.

 

But as soon as she passed he was like I. There's too many memories here. I've got to go.

 

And you know that's that I I just I didn't like that, I said. You know

 

There's obvious some obviously something else going on here. So, and she then afterwards said, she hears scratching and stuff in the walls or outside. This part, I can believe more so. and she's also had pest control out there to see if there's been any infestations.

 

Megan: Infestations, or raccoons, or squirrels, or anything.

 

AP: And then she mentioned something Rebecca seemed to have left out earlier on. That Rebecca's boyfriend has dabbled in Ouija boards.

 

AP: So I said.

 

Megan: Oh Rebecca.

 

AP: I'm curious how the $12.99 Demon boards got left out of that conversation which also plays into stuff that happens later that, I think, makes a lot of sense at this point in time.

 

Amy: Oh, yeah, okay. So then the next thing we see is Amy.

 

She is told that the demon is storming the house. She's being told that the living people here have collected the demon.

 

She assumed it came from the land originally, but a male brought it in.

 

And she says, “what are they doing to make a demon come on up?”

 

AP: I'm pretty sure, she said. “What the fuck you doing making a demon come up”

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Amy edited it for our family, friendly, Podcast.

 

AP: Cause we're so far over there.

 

Amy: Yeah, I just put “dot dot dot” in my notes, so I don't. I didn't remember that, she probably swear. But yeah, she probably said, “What in the fuck are they doing?”

 

Amy Allan VO

What in the fuck are they doing making a demon come on up?

 

Megan: And then she said, Oh, my God! Why can't I think of his name? Matthew? Is that his.

 

Amy: Mike?

 

Megan: Cameraman.

 

Amy & AP: Matt!

 

Megan: Jesus. So Matt was like, Well, when is this? And she said, it's relatively recent. Within 50 years. So that's crucial to the reveal, too. So put that nugget in your back pocket, too. Everybody.

 

Amy: That's right. Next we meet our favorite.

 

AP: My hackles were up.

 

Megan: The second I saw him.

 

AP: As soon as he opened his mouth. I messaged Amy because I knew she had watched it already, and I said. I am having such a visceral body. Reaction to this person.

 

Megan: I hated him just, and arrogance was oozing out of him. It only got worse the more he talked.

 

AP: He's got. Maybe he just got turned into it from the the editing, but I I don't know like.

 

Amy: Yeah, I I I hate to rip him a new one entirely, and unless or until we speak to her or him. But they did not make him come across likeable at all.

 

Megan: Paint him in a light that is flattering.

 

AP: But you know, like sometimes, and you know, obviously, we didn't meet this person in life. But you know, when you meet somebody, and you're just like. “Ohhh NO!

 

That's the feeling like I like. My hair was standing on end.

 

Megan: And everybody trust your reactions when you have that. Fuck Politeness. If you get that, and you meet somebody in the wild. They're bad.

 

AP: Thank you Karen in Georgia for that.

 

Megan: Yeah Exactly. If you take anything away from them.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Megan: Fuck politeness. You don't owe anybody anything.

 

Amy: That's right.

 

Megan: If you get a bad feeling from someone, you better skedaddle, cause your gut is telling you, and it's never wrong, and I'm off my soapbox. I'm sorry I just had to say that.

 

AP: Just. There was a few things that he said like, Okay, he's witnessed her, not only at her house, but at his house. He's witnessed her being choked, thrown about, thrown across the room, thrown into walls.

 

Megan: Thrown into the closet.

 

AP: He has several journals documenting the accounts. The way that he said that felt like he was a researcher watching an experience.

 

Megan: A subject. Yeah. It wasn't that of a caring boyfriend. Fearing for his girlfriend's safety.

 

AP: And and then Steve goes so Linda said that none of this violence happened until you were in the picture.

 

Megan: And I was like, Yes, Steve, call him out.

 

AP: Yep. And he's like, Well, yeah, we have messed with the Ouija board a few times and done some ghost tours, and then Steve's like is that it? He's like well, and EVP.

 

Amy: Like, okay, so that's 3 things now.

 

AP: And then he’s like...

 

Megan: Mike said we've done a couple of things we've, you know, ghost tours and Ouija board, and then that's when Steve goes. “Anything else?” he goes, “and evps”, and Steve goes, “So 3 things you've done.”

 

Amy: So three things, is there anything else?

 

AP: And Reiki master, and demonologist, another medium…

 

Amy: Yeah, then he brings up all that other shit.

 

AP: Because the “fact of the matter is” ugh the way that he said. “The fact of the matter is, Rebecca is a bright light, and she attracts a lot of bugs until she believes in herself. Stuff won't change.”

 

Megan: So, victim, blaming out the gate.

 

AP: Who are you? Who are you, sir? Yeah.

 

Megan: And also, “bugs like you.”

 

Amy: Yeah, that's what I wrote in mine too, “You mean, like, you?”

 

 AP: And I wrote, Steve looks ready to throttle this guy.

 

Amy: Steve is not taking any of this guy’s shit.

 

AP: I felt like he's playing more of a game with her and documenting for his own sick evidence. I don't know. That’s how I felt about it.

 

 Megan: And it's just so victim blamey like, until she believes in herself. None. None of this will change.

 

It get it's giving me. “Oh, but what was she wearing?”

 

Amy: Yeah, well, and he's not helping her self-esteem by calling her a bug attractor, and.

And tells her that she has no

 

AP: Yeah, so now she’s a bug zapper, great.

 

Amy: Yeah, telling her that she has no confidence. That's not a way to boost someone's confidence.

 

Megan: Also, I know it's not 100% his job, but as her significant other, it's sort of your job to boost her confidence.

 

Amy: Yeah, I mean, it should.

 

Megan: You're her partner.

 

Amy: You should not be making it worse.

 

Megan: No, you're her partner. You're supposed to be building her up.

 

AP: At least from what they show. He doesn't say anything about how other than calling her a bright light. He doesn't show anything about like what a great person she is, and the things that she does, and how she's a great sister or aunt, or whatever it might be.

 

Megan: Yeah, I was not a fan of Mike from the get-go.

 

AP: Next we go on to Amy, who's like. I'm being told someone is doing a Ouija board here.

 

Amy: Hmm.

 

AP: And they've summoned these things. It has a relationship with a male that brought it back.

 

Amy: she said accidentally brought it, but.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Amy: We don't know. I mean, I assume it is an accident. I don't.

 

AP: To me was a key point in the way she said that.

 

Amy: Yeah, and that's what she says. It could have been the last 50 years. And then I thought, well, then, maybe that's not Mike. Maybe it was her dad…that brought it and Mike just stirred it up

with his Ouija Board.

 

AP: She says this thing can make people physically ill and suicidal.

 

Megan: Yeah, which that's what happened to her, dad he actually

 

Amy: They never said he was suicidal until the.

 

Megan: Until the reveal.

 

Amy: And I was like, wait a second. You didn’t say that before.

 

AP: Like I said a lot of things get revealed in the reveal.

 

Amy: Yep

 

Megan: And then, when they said that in the reveal I was like, well, that's interesting.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Not have been brought up, and maybe they did again.

 

 Amy: They'd have it, and it was cut. Yeah.

 

 Megan: It. We're all. We're only talking about what we saw.

 

Amy: we saw, yeah.

 

Megan: Because we know from talking to clients, they edit the shit out of these, which, of course, they do.

 

Amy: Course they have thousands of hours to whittle down to 45 min. We get it. But it's kind of shitty editing to put something in that you didn't put in in the beginning. That's like telling who the murderer is, but you never introduced them.

So speaking of…

 

Megan: Yeah. Kind of a key part of the investigation.

 

Amy: Yeah, yeah.

 

AP: Speaking of investigations…

 

Amy: Speaking of investigations…

 

Megan: Steve goes digging tru de archives.

 

AP: not yet. He didn't go digging through the archives yet.

 

Amy: Yeah, so far. The first thing he does is talk to someone named LS Hawker, who is a journalist and they're looking into this deadly car accident that happened near the house.

 

AP: Which Rebecca told him about at the beginning.

 

Amy: Yes, Rebecca did mention it. And now.

 

Megan: I thought it was interesting and correct me. If I'm wrong, maybe I'm getting my timelines mixed up. But isn't this when he said the local law enforcement wouldn't talk to him about this. So he reached out, to which I thought was very interesting.

 

Amy: He always reaches out to the local cops and and.

 

Megan: And they said No.

 

Amy: Sometimes they won't talk to him.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: And so this was May 25, 2005. Four teenagers in a car. I've got all their names and ages. One of them. Ben was driving.

 

Megan: Ben Moden.

 

Amy: Blew through a stop sign and hit. T-Boned a pickup coming from the cross street.

 

Megan: I thought they were t-boned.

 

Amy: Well, you know. Yeah. But.

 

AP: Well, he was trying to beat the truck that was an oncoming, so he had the stop sign.

 

Megan: Got it.

 

AP: The other vehicle had the right away. So what it sounds like is when you have a bunch of.

 

Megan: Idiot teenagers. Yeah.

 

AP: Up in a car going,  “Don't do it, don't do it.” “Well, I'm going to do it,  I'm going to do it anyways”, and he tried to floor it to get in front of the truck, and thought he could beat it, and he did not.

 

Megan: He failed.

 

Amy: Who knows? They did this at one point. One person died female on scene yeah. And then another person died 3 days later at the hospital in Denver.

 

Megan: None of them were wearing seatbelts.

 

Amy: Right, and which they did not say in the beginning. They said that in the Reveal, but they didn't say it in the beginning.

 

Megan: No, they said it. Oh, never mind, you're right. Yeah, never mind.

 

Amy: I said it when they were talking about the second accident, and they were like they weren't wearing seatbelts here, either.

 

AP: Yep.

 

Megan: That's right. I'm sorry.

 

Amy: You never said that the first time? Yeah, which I'm again sure he did. Yeah. So he was charged with a misdemeanor because he was just a juvenile.

 

AP: he was put on, like house arrest.

 

Amy: He said he was remorseful, and wished it had been him. That was that who had died. And then Steve says, “He got his wish.”

 

Megan: Yeah. He was put on one year of house arrest.

 

Amy: One year of house arrest…

 

Megan: For killing two people. One year of house arrest. Cause. He was a minor, but he was old enough to be driving a car. So at least 16, and at that point you should be charged as an adult.

 

Amy: He was 17.

 

Megan: I said at least 16, because he was driving but yeah. 17

 

Amy: Yeah, I know. To verify, yeah. He was 17.

 

Megan: He should have been charged as an adult, in my opinion.

 

Amy: And then, after he was on house arrest, he just what was it? 3 months after.

 

AP: It was a pretty short amount of time after he gets off house arrest, that he goes out driving.

Amy: 3 months after he was done with house arrest, which ended in July, 2,006. He was driving with Joseph Darr, his friend, at 4 Am. Lost control car flipped several times. They were both ejected. Joseph was hurt, but alive, and Ben was killed due to traumatic head injury.

 

Megan: Driving  at high speeds down the highway, at 4am.

 

Amy: For 4am, yeah.

 

AP: And they said that his autopsy showed several recreational drugs.

 

Amy: Yeah, cocaine, marijuana, ecstasy.

 

Megan: marijuana cocaine and ecstasy in his system.

 

Amy: So I stopped on the…article…

 

Megan: Death certificate? Oh article.

 

Amy: And it says that there were traces of these drugs.  Didn't say there was a ton of them traces no alcohol.  He was driving a minivan and in the 2005 crash he was driving a Lexus.

 

Megan: He got downgraded.

 

Amy: And It also mentioned the other driver of the other car, Leslie Meacham. But my thought.

 

Megan: Was she okay?

 

Amy: I don't know. It didn't say.

 

AP: Leslie could also be male.

 

Amy: True

 

Megan: Right. You're right.

 

AP: Leslie Nelson.

 

Megan: You’re right, was that person OK?

 

Amy: I don't. I didn't say.

 

Megan: How dare I assume?

 

Amy: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't see the entire article because it was cut. But my thought was

 

So. This is probably a rich kid. If he's driving a Lexus, and that is why he didn't have to serve any time.

 

Megan: Of course it is. We didn't, even need to say that.

 

Amy: I’m guessing he was white as well. But I could be wrong about that.

 

Megan: And even need to say that I feel like that was a given.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: His parents got a really good lawyer, and.

 

Amy: Or they knew somebody on the police.

 

Megan: They knew someone on the police, or the the judge, or whatever, and they got him off light. And then Steve made a point to say, well, maybe if he'd had more than just house arrest, this wouldn't have happened. If he had done jail time or prison time. Maybe wouldn’t have happened.

 

Amy: Possibly. We'll never know.

 

Megan: We'll never know cause he died, and 2 of his friends died. And those families are completely changed forever. Yeah, because of the stupid actions you do when you're a teenager cause. Your brain is not developed. I'm sorry I'm done now, but

 

AP: I don't know if Amy, if that's who Amy sees because she talks about seeing a male who's crazy. But why? And his face is all smooshed up from pain, but that's really all we get from.

 

Amy: That could be any of the people in the car.

 

Megan: We don't. They don't talk about that on the reveal, either.

 

AP: Yeah, we don't talk about anything, and the accident was only a couple of miles away. That's why it was.

 

Megan: I don't think it was even. I think it was like within a mile, wasn't it?

 

Amy: Well, one of them they said, was like 100 feet or something.

 

Megan: Yeah, one of them was really close. I think the first one with.

 

Amy: I think it was the first one I could be wrong, but.

 

Megan: Well, yeah.

 

AP: I thought, Yeah, I guess I would have thought the first one was a little further away, just because of the stop sign and the, more of a highway type, speed. But nonetheless.

 

Amy: I I was just wanted to point out when Amy, in that little scene there, when Amy's talking about the the guy with the smooshed up face, and she says he's in pain, and she like takes a huge breath just to like finish her sentence, and I don't know if she was feeling his pain, or if she was just that she is so fucking sick, she can barely breathe on her own.

 

Megan: or both.

 

AP: Yeah, she often

 

Megan: Probably both.

 

AP: Feels their pain, because.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: Being. She's called herself a dead medium because she’s seeing people in their death state.

 

Megan: Hand like how many times has she said, oh, I have a bad headache, and.

 Shot or stomach, ache or heart, or yeah, heart attack.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: probably both.

 

AP: Some of that leads us into our next person, our next speaker that Steve goes and talks to with. The headaches, anxiety, delirium, potential cancer. And even death is, we talk to Garrett Garner Wells, who is an environmental scientist to see if potentially the water around Rebecca's property is contaminated.

 

Megan: By the fracking.

 

AP: But, however it there was a there had been an oil spill of 28,000 gallons the previous year.

 

So there is potential. Then he mentioned a lot of the things that were going on in the house could have been associated to that.

 

I also put in there, then wouldn't it affect everyone there because it didn't seem to be affecting Linda or Mike in a similar manner? Right.

 

Megan: No, I feel like the only person who had any issues was Rebecca. The others were just witnessing it.

 

AP: So, spoiler, alert. The water is tested. We find out at the reveal. It is free and clean. Yeah, it's clean. So.

 

Megan: Yeah, not the dogs.

 

AP: But then we do see Amy talking about seeing the demon again, inhaling water from the ditch.

With all the mud and gross stuff.

 

Megan: This was so.

 

Amy: Really gross

 

AP: Bringing it inside to spit at the backs or vomit at the backs.

So that the evil is attached to them, and could cause them to get sick or take their own life, and the living can spread it.

 

Megan: Didn't understand the back. Why wouldn't you do more the front?

 

AP: You're more vulnerable for the back.

 

Megan: like into, like the front is where the heart is, though.

 

AP: It doesn't need to attack your heart.

 

Megan: I know, but like.

 

AP: You're more vulnerable in the back, I mean, any predator typically goes for the back and for the neck.

 

Megan: Except bears.

 

AP: No bears.

 

Megan: I’m kidding. I know they do. I was making a point to our earlier men versus.

 

AP: Humans. not so much.

 

Megan: Yeah, that was really just getting that visual. Oh, God, I like I that is where I had a visceral reaction.

 

Amy: Yeah. She described that really. Well.

 

Megan: Really! Well, too well Amy, too well. , maybe tone it back a bit.

 

AP: Yep.

 

Amy: Now Steve is searching through old records. And he finds out about a farmhand that was brutally murdered. And that's what I said. Anyone got a bingo yet?

 

AP: Was he really brutally murdered, when we hear the story?

 

Amy: Ehhh.

 

Megan:  This one, I say, is not a brutal murder?

 

Amy: No. I mean, it's.

 

AP: It was yeah shot, but shot was.

 

Megan: But to me. And from what you guys have told me. And explained Brutal murders.

Brutal murders like to me like a stabbing or.

 

AP: Like beating to death or

 

Amy: Or like, ripping your guts out, or

 

Megan: Or Jack the Ripper was a brutal murder.

 

AP: They're all not good.

 

Megan: No right, never a good.

 

AP: Just putting it out there right. But in in this case, too, just the description. And you know, probably we're getting very little out of those historical articles. Anyways.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: But for everyone we talked to Chris Goff, who's an author. And this happened on the neighboring property. That was at the time 800 acres owned by Lewis Clinton Rockwell, who was an attorney in Denver.

 

Megan: They owned so many, this is so many acres

 

AP: This is an hour north of Denver in today's driving abilities. In the late 1880s? That's a lot longer drive.

 

Amy: That’s quite a commute.

 

Megan: Gas mileage was probably a yeah bitch. Yeah.

 

AP: Lot of hay! He had Swedish immigrants who wear his farm hands.

 

Megan: talk about horsepower.

 

AP: and they lived in the barn on the property. So they would. They were migrants. Basically, they would come in. They'd work for a while. They'd stay. They weren't staying for long, and.

 

Megan: Here for a good time, not a long time.

 

AP: Is this who Heidi saw as a kid.

 

Megan: Probably.

 

Amy: Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Going into the barn.  Yep.  I didn't even think of that. Good job. Yeah, I'm sure it was.

 

AP: So we hear the story of November 11th, 1889.

 

Megan: Which is Jordan's birthday.

 

AP: He's old.

 

Megan: Not 1889, 1890.

 

Amy: He look doesn't look a day over 4.

 

Megan: I know he's aged well.

 

AP: Farm hands are in the barn, and we hear about Albert Martin, who went to bed around 8 o'clock. They're drinking, playing games, and as Chris said, she said, “the rest got hammered”. It's like hoo way to go. I like I like her style.

Then we hear about.

 

Megan: Keep it real.

 

AP: Elmer Rob, who she describes as a big guy, and I'm assuming he's the big bully like he's in charge. You know what he made me think of. Do you remember “All Dogs Go to Heaven” and the boss dog?

 

Megan: Yes.

 

AP: With the cigar and stuff. And yeah.

 

Megan: He was like a bulldog or something or a French. Yeah, he was a short dog.

 

AP: But he was like, you know, like he had the air. Yeah.  That's what it made me think of.

and he wanted people to fist fight for. And

AP: That's that's what it kinda got to.

 

[Megan accidentally whipped her shirt open]

 

Amy: Whoo, you’re flashing us!

 

Megan: That'll be available at the Patron level. $5 or up.

 

Amy: I'm gonna be there at The Activity Continues Only Fans.

 

AP: Oh, boy!

 

Megan Oh, boy! I was not expecting that.

 

AP: But he wanted people to fist fight for his entertainment, and nobody wanted to do it. Which tells you that this is something that's happened before. And everyone's like. No, because he wants to fight so he can win kind of. So they decide to go and pull Martin out of bed.

 

Megan: Who's sleeping

 

AP: Sleeping for hours now.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: And he feels threatened and brings his 32 pistol with him, and you know, kind of gets in front of Robb and Robb starts doing whatever he’s doing. Martin shoots him in the chest and kills him.

 

Megan: 3 times.

 

AP: Yep, and this was what was interesting cause Chris says, at the beginning, the judge has a or no, Steve says something about the judge says has a unique take on it, or something like that, like he was like, it's like, hmm it’ll be interesting. I side with the judge, though.

 

Megan: Yes, I do, too.

 

Amy: Self-defense.

 

AP: The judge refused to reign the the sheriffs and deputies were all like “we got him”. You know he's gone. He's gonna die kind of thing.

 

Megan: We’re gonna put him away!

 

AP: And the judge is like.  No. Refuses to arrange them. And they let Martin go. And Chris basically said Rob was a jerk. He got what he deserved.

 

Megan: I think he at one point said “he probably deserved to die”.

 

AP: Yeah, Chris, Chris, the author said that.

 

Megan: Yeah, yeah. Chris had no love lost for this guy.

 

AP: She loved it.

 

Megan: Which from all accounts, doesn't sound like the world was worse off without him.

He was not nice.

 

AP: I can't fully blame the judge on this one. Obviously a lot is left out of the papers, which is probably why he wasn't well, like I did go.

 

Megan: And wake somebody up when they removed themselves from a situation. And now you're like fight for me like a fucking puppet. Come on. I'm glad the Judge did not bring him to trial, for that.

 

Amy: The article actually said that there was a grand jury hearing, and so the grand jury refused to find a bill against Martin.

 

Megan: Good for them.

 

Amy: I've never heard that phrasing before, but.

 

Megan: They just did a tab, not a bill.

 

AP: Just give him a statement.

 

Megan: Yeah. Just invoiced him.

 

Amy: So Amy sees a couple of dead men outside, and she says they're not from here. There's 3 there could be more they're from at last 100 years, all white age, 18 to 40. There's a skinny one and a built one. And one was executed.

 

Megan: Not wrong.

 

Amy: Somebody, she said. They're aggressive, territorial, and don't want to leave. They don't like anybody here.

 

Megan: Wonder if somebody will describe me as belt if they ever saw my ghost. They’ll be like. Oh, look at that! She's chubby! Oooh that…

 

Amy: She's built.

 

Megan: she's a one too many Twinkies.

 

Amy: Built though, when you say built usually at least.

 

AP: The Rock?

 

Amy: Yeah, yeah. It means strong. IT doesn’t mean chubs…yeah.

 

 Megan: I was being sarcastic. I was being sarcastic. I was hoping my sarcasm is not hitting today.

 

Amy: yeah. So next up is the sketch. We're getting there, we're getting toward the end. There's gonna be two.

 

Megan: Hang with us, guys.

 

Amy: Hang on, just go get a soda.

 

AP: I’m doing my best.

 

Amy: She's gonna have him draw this the demon and the shadow person attacking the woman in bed onto Act 3, The Reveal

 

AP: Anybody catch how many cases that they've done.

 

Megan: A hundred and twenty-nine…

 

Amy: 125

 

Megan: Five.

 

Amy: A hundred and twenty niiiii-----five.

 

Megan: 29, 5.

 

Amy: Exactly.

 

AP: That's exactly.

 

Megan: I nailed it, I nailed it.

 

Amy: I actually really liked Steve in the Reveal. He was very respectful to Amy.

 

Megan: And Rebecca.

 

Amy: Yes, but I mean like we all know, he doesn't have any love last for Amy, but he was like, you know, saying how they've done all these cases together, and all that kind of thing. But anyway

So Amy talks about being sick, and how it affects her work.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: And she says a lot of bad energy here. A lot of arguing, Steve thinks it’s Rebecca and Mike.

 

AP: And Steve did say the 125 cases cause he thinks this is the absolute worst one.

 

Megan: And I'm all I'm inclined to agree with him on that.

 

Amy: Yeah, as far as what's happening to the client, yeah.

 

Megan: Yeah. I don't think we've ever heard of anybody getting thrown around as often as.

 

AP: You know, and going on with what Amy said about the negative energy arguing. And Rebecca's like, Yeah, we argue for what feels like no good reason. “I'm anxious and not fun to be around.”

 

Amy: Yeah, it's her thing blaming herself.

 

Megan: And that doesn't sound like something she said about herself. That sounds like something that was told to her.

 

Amy: She’s repeating that.

 

AP: And then Mike says, “She gets upset, depressed, and has a negative self-image” like she's not even there.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: And again, the way this is edited. I could be totally off base.

 

Why does this feel somehow controlling from him. It doesn't make sense to me to feel that like for me, to feel the way that I felt about what his words were because they don't sound controlling, but it was like the way that he said it. After what she said.

I don't know. I just it. There was something that.

 

Megan: Oh, just wait! Just wait. The best line is coming, everybody! The line that made me so angry I had to physically restrain myself from texting the girls. And they all know.

 

AP: And then, yeah.  And then Linda says after this, Yeah, she's not. “She never used to be like this, but that's who she is now.” Again like…

 

Megan: Yeah, Linda said she used to be like bubbly. And yeah.

 

AP: Like Rebecca's not even there. Yeah.

 

Amy: Well, maybe she's not. I mean, maybe somebody's jumped her.

 

AP: No, I meant like they were talking about her like she's not even there, right.

 

Megan: In the room.

 

Amy: Right, I know, but I mean I think it's because they they feel like.

 

Megan: It’s not her anymore.

 

Amy: Yeah, cause the Rebecca they know it's not there. Yeah, yeah.

 

I think this is when they show the sketch. And that's really creepy. Yeah, that demon guy.

 

AP: It wasn't what I was expecting it to look like.

 

Megan: No. Kind of with the ears. It reminded me of an axolotl with the ears on the side, not as cute, but.

 

 Amy: Yeah.

 

 AP: You reminded me, and of an ogre from Harry Potter.

 

Megan: Oh!

 

Amy: It does kind of look like, Harry Potter. Ish, yeah.

 

Megan: Yeah, does.

 

Amy: Rebecca says this sounds like what Heidi saw, not the farmhand, but the imp-thing that Heidi saw.

Amy Allan talks about how it's sucking up stuff and vomiting it out. She thinks it might have killed someone already.

 

AP: Yeah. And then Steve connects it to the crash.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: He goes. Well, driver was crazy, driving crazy and suicidal, and I said, I I don't know.

 

Megan: That's a reach. I don't think the key I was like.

 

Amy: I don’t think the kid was suicidal.

 

Megan: No.

 

AP: I think that maybe the second time was a like, let's tempt fate, but that's more what it felt like the tempting fate being the invincible teenager.

 

Megan: Cause he'd already survived one crash.

 

AP: Well even the first crash being that way.

 

Megan: No, I was like, that’s a stretch.

 

AP: I taught middle schoolers. There's a lot of kids who think they can't get hurt doing anything.

 

 Megan: Of course, yeah It'll never happen to me that'll never happen to me.

 

Amy: Yeah. I immediately thought it was the dad.

 

Megan: That's what I thought, too, because.

 

AP: After Steve connects it. Then we hear the yeah. He was. Dad was hospitalized for suicidal thoughts and struggled with depression, , and then we hear more about the visitors that weren't really there.

 

Megan: So. Yeah, I it was not Ben Moden. He was not the one that the demon was targeting.

 

Amy: I don't think so.

 

Megan: Yeah, that was a bit of a stretch. I think he just wanted to talk about the crash.

 

Amy: Yeah. And this is also where Steve says that Ben, the driver, had no drugs or alcohol in his system. Which is what they contradicted from the.

 

Megan: I think he meant in the first one in the first crash, he didn't.

 

AP: Maybe.

 

Megan: Because he was driving in the first one.

 

AP & Amy: He was driving in both.

 

Megan: I meant I meant I meant he didn't have anything in his system the first one. I'm sorry. I don't know why I said that

 

Amy: Anyway, I got the impression that Amy also was like, that's not who we're looking at. That's not who we're talking about. Because, she just replied, “it's just a sad situation.”

Without saying, like, yeah “That’s a sad situation That's not what we're talking about here.”

 

Megan: Because whenever he hits it or gets it right, she goes. “Yeah, that's him”. Or “that's exactly what I'm seeing”. And this time, like you said no, just sucks.

 

AP: And now we move on to everyone's favorite part.

 

Megan: Prepare yourself.

 

AP: Steve goes, “Why did you tell Amy all the shit you've done.” And he does not look happy like he is sitting back from the table. His arms are crossed like he is.

 

Amy: He's waiting for it to go down.

 

Megan: He's mad because he knows what Amy's gonna say.

 

AP: Yes,

 

Megan: and she let them off light. In my opinion.

 

Amy: She did.

 

AP: Yeah, what we well, I think I'm going with that. She's more concerned about Rebecca than anything.

 

So Mike starts “it was all ill-advised, but we did some sessions with a Ouija board”, and then also list all the other things that they've done. And Amy's reaction is just like.

 

AP: yeah, she's just.

 

Amy: I took a screenshot.

 

Megan: She goes, like you. Just see her whole body like, I can't with these people. And then Mr. Fucking Mike…

 

AP: Nope, Nope, nope, we got a little time before we get to that.

There's a big piece here, we can't skip over.

 

Megan: I’ve been waiting all recording….

 

AP: I will let you have your moment.

 

Megan: Thank you.

 

AP: But I'm gonna I'm gonna talk right now, so I'll let you have your moment. I’ll let you finish. Anybody reference?

 

Amy: OK Kanye

 

AP: reference. Thank you.

 

Amy: Got it.

 

AP: So we then have Linda say that she doesn't like it, and doors shouldn't be open if they have no choice, and Steve asks, so did they bring it in meaning the demon. And Amy goes? No, your husband actually likely picked this up and there's something, and you know, then there's something else, and Amy shares about the shadow man, and Rebecca's face is absolutely shocked.

 

And then she says, the man with the Ouija board is the one that brought this thing here. It's the biggest threat to you. It's trying to pull you through the walls every night, and then Steve shows more of her bruise pictures. That's where we see some of those really nasty bruises like these are purple.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: And she say, saying, the jealousy of the shadow person is causing this because it wants her to go home with it.

 

Megan: And it doesn't understand that she's not a shadow person. So in his, in its brain she's a shadow person, and it can't understand. And it's frustrated cause she can't go with him.

 

AP: And Steve then says. Are you feeling bad at this as he's also like pushing his chair back. and he asks that to Mike, Megan.

 

Megan: And then Mike says, well, actually, it was Rebecca's idea, and I'm like, you fucker!

 

AP: It's not really my fault. It's not really my fault or idea to do it, it was Rebecaa. And she was seeing it before the Ouija board.

 

Megan: And then Amy goes, the demons told me a man and a Ouija board.

 

Amy: Because Steve looks at Amy and goes. “Are you buying that?”

 

AP: You buy in this bullshit, is what took it as.

 

Amy: All I know is what I see..

 

Megan: All I know is what I’m shown.

 

Amy: And what I see, and what I saw was a man with a Ouija board. And then Steve goes. “You're busted, coz. Forget about it.”

 

Sound Clip:

Steve: You blamin’ Rebecca for this?

Mike: she started seeing this black shadow, before the Ouija board.

Steve: [to Amy] You buyin’ that?

Amy: All I know s what I see, and what I saw is a man with a Ouija board. And this thing was there.

Steve: You’re busted cuz, fuggeddabouddit.

 

Megan: Fuckin’ A, I hate this guy.

 

AP: and like God, the way that everybody reacted around the table like., lying sack of shit, is what Amy and Steve are showing on their faces.

 

Megan: And Linda doesn't like him either. You can just tell from her body language.

 

AP: Yep, and then we see the picture of the Shadow person. And I don't know if you guys what you guys thought of Rebecca's reaction. She was like, Okay, okay.

 

And it took her, I think, like 30 s of being like, Oh, my God, that's that's exactly what I've like. She's wiping years off her face, but be like.

 

Megan: Like this is the thing that's S.A-ing her at night.

 

AP: Yep.

 

Megan: and it's like it's this humanoid form all in black, and it's hunched over her like on all fours, one hand.

 

AP: Pinning her down.

 

Megan: Side of her head pinning her down over her.

 

AP: I'm sorry.

 

 Megan: Oh my God.

 

AP: And I noted that Mike didn't seem, at least in that reaction that, disturbed by it.

 

Megan: Because Mike doesn't care. Okay. Mike doesn't care.

 

AP: And then Amy says, yeah, it could accidentally kill you, trying to get you to its realm.

 

Megan: Or you'll go missing. It'll be successful, and it'll bring you to its realm, and you'll be missing forever. and they'll never know what happened to her.

 

AP: And now we get to the end. Where, what do they need to do?

 

Megan: This was so heartbreaking

 

Amy: Yeah, basically there's not much they can do.

 

Megan: For the shadow figure.

 

Amy: The Shadow Person. Yep. she's in an abusive relationship that she can't get out of. And I wrote in parentheses, “are we still talking about the Shadow Person?”

 

Megan: She could get away from Mike. Yeah, basically, this thing is gonna try to take her forever, and any measures that she does will be temporary at best.

 

Amy said. They might last for maybe a few months, and then.

 

AP: Yeah, going. Back to what they said at the very beginning, she said. You know we've done. We've talked to this we've done. We've had a exorcism. We've had a demonologist, and she's always said it worked for a little while, but then inevitably came back.

 

Megan: That's what Amy said, she said.

 

Amy: That's basically what’s gonna happen, yeah.

 

Megan: Hopefully. One day this thing will get tired of trying to take you. But essentially, that's the only way she can get rid of it.

 

AP: Or he figures out how to get back to his own realm without her.

 

Megan: And even Linda, her mom is like I was hoping for something better. And I'm like, of course, you were like, you're basically told your daughter is gonna be in this abusive relationship. Her entire life.

 

Amy: Well, and I was worried for Rebecca's mental health, because she's saying she can't get rid of it, and she does not want to live the rest of her life with it.

 

Megan: Caught that, too, and I was like.

 

AP: I, yep

 

Megan: Someone needs to watch her. And someone needs to make sure that she is okay because I don't. I mean, if you're and it's anywhere she goes. If she goes to Mike’s, if she's home, it's anywhere. This thing is gonna try to take her. Yeah.

 

Amy: So for the slug thing? that other thing Amy says they can find a local tribe, that with a shaman or a medicine person from the tribe who can come and protect the property.

 

Mom says that should be easy to do. We should know we should be able to find somebody like that.

 

But then.

 

Megan: The text at the end.

 

Amy: And there she is still looking for a shaman.

 

AP: The protective measures are working for now, for now.

 

Amy: Attacks have stopped, for now.

 

Megan: Which it that that was like the most heartbreaking part about this whole thing.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Or at least this episode.

 

Amy: I really would love to talk to them, or at least her

 

AP: and Linda

 

Amy: Rebecca and or her mom. Mike can stay home.

 

Megan: And not Mike, Mike, can go wherever, hopefully not with her. So this was a good episode. It was really, really.

 

Amy: It was really good. It had a lot of good things in it. I felt really bad for Amy.

 

Megan: Lot of good evidence. I know, she.

 

Amy: I'm already sick as a dog, and then all this shit's going.

 

Megan: And she has to deal with Mike. The worst part of it. I'm just kidding.

 

Oh, all of my browser is filled with flatworms. which is something I've never said before.

 

Alright? Well, thank you, everybody for joining us. Next week we will be talking about an episode that I chose called “Evil Descends”, and it's another season. 9. Episode 8 takes place in Murietta, California. So this was I got really excited, and I chose like 4 for spring break, and Amy was like

“Overachiever. You only need to choose 2.” So.

 

Amy: Yeah, this was one of them.

 

Megan: This was one of them. I had backups, and AP. Will be gone next week, as she will be celebrating her brother's birthday, so it'll be just Amy and myself.

 

Amy: That is right.

 

AP: Yeah, back to the good old days.

 

Megan: Our roots. No, not the good old days. The roots roots .

 

Amy: You guys, I listened to our very first episode, last week.

 

Megan: How bad was it?

 

Amy: Oh, we, it's I mean, I laughed. We're funny.

 

Megan: Obviously, we’re hilarious.

 

Amy: It was. I was like, Oh! And plus we each recapped an episode. So it was like.

 

Megan: Super long.

 

Amy: Let’s just say it was long.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah, I'm glad we don't do that anymore. That was ridiculous.

 

Megan: What were we thinking?

 

AP: We’d run out of episodes a lot faster.

 

Amy: I know.

 

Megan: And now, if we all 3 of us had to recap an episode that would be like three hours.

 

Amy: Yeah, we’d be here till Wednesday.

 

AP: I can’t I’ve got to catch a plane tomorrow.

 

Megan: That’s true.

 

Amy: I'm excited to hear about the ghost walk you're doing.

 

Megan: Yes. when is that?

 

AP: Friday.

 

Megan: Friday. Okay.

 

Amy: So next time next time we record, which won't be Monday. But the time after that.

 

Megan & Amy: Alright, thanks, everybody.

 

Megan: We'll talk to you later.

 

ALL: Bye.