An Eye-Opening Discourse on Health, Wealth, and Society

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Music.

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Welcome to the best half show. Our show is dedicated to the idea that the next

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half of your life can be even better, 10 times better than your first half.

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This is a contrarian idea. After all, we're aging. Often our energy and our

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health decreases in the next half.

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Disruptive technology is ever advancing, making entire industries obsolete.

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We're dealing with oppressive governments, societal rules and restrictions that

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keep us from hitting our our full potential.

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It is in contrarian thinking where we can find the answers to making the next half the best half.

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Conventional thinking is not going to work. We need to rethink everything from the ground up.

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The establishment is not set up for us to win, whether it is about building

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wealth, health, wisdom, love, and relationships.

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This show is dedicated to contrarian thinking to give you the insights to win your best half.

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I'm Roman Bodnarchuk, and I'm joined by my old friend and great friend, Mark Organ.

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We're two serial entrepreneurs who've both been co-founders and leaders of several

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startups that became billion-dollar companies in multiple industries in the last few decades.

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In this week's podcast, we'll talk about topics that are often overlooked or

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ignored, sometimes banned by mainstream media and experts.

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We'll share our opinions on

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what works and what doesn't work in today's competitive and dynamic world.

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We'll also give you practical tips and advice on how to apply our contrarian

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thinking to your own goals and challenges.

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Mark, I'm super excited that you're here today. We're going to talk about some

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near and dear topics to us.

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I think during COVID, it was really hard to find people that were on the same wavelength as us.

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Let's talk first about the big news that just came out, Supreme Court decision

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about the Freedom Convoy.

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I know that I was very vocal in my support of that protest and was shocked and

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just completely disheartened at what our government did to those truckers.

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And I wanted to get your – you're on the front lines there.

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So let's talk about what happened with the Freedom Party. And for some people

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that don't know, a lot of Americans will be listening today.

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They might not even know what happened. Maybe give them some background about that. Sure. Yeah, yeah.

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And it was pretty incredible. This was the first and only political protest

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that I ever attended, personally.

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I did go to Ottawa. It was minus 24 degrees Celsius.

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I don't know what that is, Fahrenheit. Probably also minus 24.

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And it was a really proud moment for me.

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I really felt like a Canadian there. there uh and

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unlike what people have thought by just

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watching the mainstream media it was not a nazi rally

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i literally had while i was there i had you know

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my friends who are also entrepreneurs saying what are you doing like why are

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you there this is like a some far right you know kind of thing i'm like no it's

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not i mean here are some indigenous people that are dancing uh doing their you

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know doing their um you know cultural stuff english and french together black white um you you know,

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people of all different races and religions all coming together to celebrate freedom.

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And the reason why I was there was that I was alarmed by what I had saw, right?

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Where you had our government telling us what to inject into our bodies,

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censoring anybody who had anything else to say, throwing a lot of people out

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of work, physicians who were speaking up,

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um scientists and and uh professors lawyers

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all these different people different walks of

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life that were not able to you know speak their

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mind and so you know i was alarmed you know i'm a i'm a grandchild of four refugees

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who came came to uh came to canada because they were uh fleeing uh oppressive

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governments and and the mob you know whipped up and with hysteria and so i felt

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like Like I had to go and do something.

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And it wasn't just the truckers that were threatened with having their bank accounts confiscated.

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It was anybody that donated to the truckers, which included me.

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So there was actually a hack of GiveSendGo, because the first,

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I'm trying to remember the name of the more mainstream donation platform,

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they would not allow donations to the truckers who were basically driving their

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trucks from Western Canada all the way into Ottawa.

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So they did not allow donations. It then went to GiveSendGo.

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There was a hack, which is probably a state actor.

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And so my name was compromised along with everyone else who donated.

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Uh and uh christia freeland our deputy prime

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minister said you know we may freeze everyone's bank accounts

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i had to go and drain my bank of you

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know all the funds i had to go all the different branches atm machines because

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i thought they were pretty serious and they probably were i think they were

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just freaked out because so many people withdrew their money that i think that

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they you know had to go and put um a stop to it i've seen this set as the probably

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one of the most effective political protests of all time.

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It really, if you look at a few months later after this protest,

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a number of the mandates were rescinded.

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And I think that the people in the government were pretty freaked out by this

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incredible display of populism.

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And again, people from all walks of life, including people like me,

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were normally way too busy to do a protest for three days in a freezing cold.

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People like me were motivated to come in and say something.

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And so, yeah, it was quite, in one way, heartening to see this,

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the fact our courts still work here in this country, which is great.

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Maybe it's the one part of government that still might be still working and

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not compromised. But on the other hand, it's a little late, right?

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I mean, it's a little late.

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You now have whatever it is, 80% of the country is now double vaccinated.

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You have a number of doctors and scientists, whatever, that are not working,

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that have been thrown out of their jobs and not able to be licensed.

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So maybe the government's like, eh, we got away with it.

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You know, easier to get forgiveness and permission. I was shocked,

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Mark, when I heard that they took innocent protesters that never been convicted

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with anything and they froze their bank accounts.

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So I know how painful it is. My ex-wife was responsible for paying our nanny.

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And when you sponsor a nanny and you have to do a payroll, she had to do a filing.

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She was, I think, 10 days late on filing her payroll remittance for a nanny.

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She called me crying from a gas station.

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The government, if you're just like 10 days late on your payroll remittance,

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they shut down your bank account and her credit cards were frozen,

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her ATM machine, nothing worked. And she's calling me, she's like,

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I don't know what's happening.

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And I was just shocked. So we went to the bank and they said,

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yep, yep. This is what happens when you're late on your payroll remittance.

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Again, being late, like this is like, we're talking about 10 days.

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We're not talking about two years.

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They literally shut down my wife's bank account. Now, luckily she had me and

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I was in town and I could help her.

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I mean, you've got three children in the freezing cold weather at a gas station.

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You can't fill up your car. I mean, this is crazy.

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So I know in my little world, what happens when when they freeze your bank account, it's not fun.

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And then all of those truckers that came with their families and all of a sudden

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you can't pay for gas, you can't pay for your hotel. This is horrific.

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The only two countries that I know that do this are in China and in Russia, they do this.

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But the fact this happened in Canada was just unbelievable.

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So I'm so grateful that the court, again, we understand there's a constitution,

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there's some laws that even during what we call pandemics, have to be honored.

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So super happy about yesterday's news.

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This really does appear to be

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the game plan of how the governments and the elite plan to control people.

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You may have heard about a central bank digital currency.

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People in the crypto world are very, very familiar with this concept.

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It's really gone mainstream because Donald Trump last week said,

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we will never have a CBDC in this country.

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I think Pierre Polyev in this country and Canada have also talked about it,

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which makes things really scary. I mean, if you have a...

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A programmable currency that makes it extremely easy. So you don't even need a bank account.

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The currency itself is programmable, right?

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That you may not be able to use it, for example, to buy certain things.

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Or if you've been a bad boy or a bad girl, then your money gets shut off for a while.

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Or if the central bank really gets in trouble, they can have it so that your currency expires.

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So I think it is scary. I think one thing that everybody can do and one thing

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I do is I pay with cash as much as I can.

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I know it's really convenient to use the tap and go thing, but if we don't use

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cash, then we may lose it.

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In fact, that had happened in Sweden, which is now rolling things back.

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But Sweden at one point was like the most cashless society in the world.

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And it became that way because that's a society that really likes convenience.

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But what happened was a lot lot of people, especially the elderly, got disenfranchised.

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I was in Stockholm a few years ago and it was very difficult to use cash.

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And as a tourist, it was not that easy to kind of get around there.

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They're actually bringing cash back there. And a lot of it's by popular demand.

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So I think if you don't use it, you may lose it.

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And I think cash is a very powerful way to anonymously be able to do business.

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And if people are thinking, well, I have nothing to hide, So who cares?

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Again, this is what happens, right? That if you lose a little bit of your rights,

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you can lose a lot more if you're not careful enough. Well, I think it's a good

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point. We saw this in COVID.

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So in certain parts of Toronto, you could go to a restaurant.

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But then if you're crossing this, all of a sudden, you've got to go to Durham

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or you've got to go to Oakville and you can go to a restaurant there.

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So they started creating these geographies.

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So with a digital currency, all of a sudden, they could say,

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no, that won't work here. It's going to work here. So you can see that.

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And then I have an electric car. I've been driving electric car for eight or

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nine years, you know, and then you could see, oh, they could program my car.

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So all of a sudden I can't leave my zone.

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And we saw this in Australia too, where they really, they had like military protecting it.

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But if all of a sudden your credit cards don't work, your digital wallet doesn't

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work, your car can't pass a zone. I mean, this is really scary.

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Yeah. And I honestly, I mean.

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A conspiracy theorist might say the reason why they're pushing electric cars

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so much because they really aren't better from the environment.

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Those are coal-powered cars. Where does the energy come from to power these cars?

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It comes from burning fossil fuels for the most part and maybe a little bit of nuclear.

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Again, even things like solar and wind, which you think, oh, those are green.

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Well, not really. I mean, it takes up a lot of space and there's a lot of those

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materials don't recycle when they're aged.

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It's actually a lot of toxic heavy metals in solar panels.

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Those wind towers don't recycle. They take up a lot of space or an eyesore.

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But those cars essentially are powered by coal.

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There are a number, I've seen actually a few Tesla charging stations that actually

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have generators behind the scenes because they're not working properly.

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So they're literally burning diesel in order to power up these cars. It's hilarious.

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Why are governments pushing so hard for that?

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Is it really about pollution or is it about the fact that they are controllable?

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You can easily disable those cars. You can prevent them from going.

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You can prevent them from recharging.

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So I'm a little bit skeptical and it's actually one of the reasons why I've

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not bought a Tesla at least not yet because I'm just not sure about what the agenda is behind them,

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I appreciate your concerns about that. Look, we've got to be very concerned

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about when the government can control things.

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What I love about Tesla, and again, I've had three and this is going out on

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year eight, it's run by Elon.

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And if anyone is not going to listen to government controls and a man that runs

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his own internet in space, which nobody can regulate, I mean, he's the guy I trust.

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So if I have a choice versus trusting the Canadian government,

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which we've seen how they act, versus Elon.

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I'm voting with my wallet with Elon.

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But what I do know, and I think our point here is when the government start

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taking our rights away, we have to be really careful because we don't get them

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back. I'll give you an example.

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I'm just looking at an article, the two of us here. This was an article that was in the cover of 2001.

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So Mark, you still remember before 9-11. So before 9-11, you get on your plane,

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it was a pretty normal experience.

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After 9-11, all of a sudden, It's like, oh my gosh, you can't bring water or

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we got to take everything off. It was just insane. And guess what?

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Even though we've had no terrorist attacks like that in a quarter century,

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we still can't bring our water across.

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It's just crazy. So once they strip those rights away from us, we don't get them back.

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So it's very rare when we have court decisions like we did the other day,

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because that was just so blatant.

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That was just so ridiculous what they did to take people's, freeze their bank

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accounts when they haven't even been charged with a crime.

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Nevermind, you know, committed a crime. I mean, it's just insane.

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But on the same point, there's some other news that we got, which was,

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I think, disheartening. Jordan Peterson.

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This is an incredible academic from University of Toronto and Harvard.

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The best-selling author, I understand, of all time in Canada.

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Really smart guy, has built an incredible audience and he's helped a lot of people.

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And, well, maybe you could speak more about what they did to him,

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which is just incredible.

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Yeah, I mean, they're going to try to prevent him from practicing,

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you know, psychotherapy in Ontario.

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And this is, you know, I think that these colleges, these licensing colleges

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are kind of low-hanging fruit for corruption.

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And I've seen this with the College of Physicians and Surgeons,

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where they came down really hard on doctors, and I saw this firsthand,

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where doctors were really not allowed to question the official narrative at

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all on the penalty of not just losing their job, but losing their livelihood,

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like losing the ability to practice medicine in Canada, and maybe not even Canada.

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Like I know of a doctor that, you know, even moved to Costa Rica because he

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was not able to practice here because he was speaking out against mandatory

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vaccines and masks and the other ridiculousness that we went through.

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And even there, they're like, well, are you licensed? Do you license?

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Oh, your license is under review in Canada.

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Like maybe we shouldn't let you practice here. So that's a nightmare for a doctor.

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And you saw the same thing with the regulatory bodies of lawyers and even like

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chiropractors and this sort of thing.

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So one thing that is kind of interesting is that, you know, yes,

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we have systems that appear on the surface to be pretty robust,

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but there are a few nodes it looks like that if you corrupt them,

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that you can corrupt the whole system.

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And I think that these colleges are an easy way to do that.

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I think maybe the people that run it, maybe they only make, you know,

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an extra 100 grand a year. maybe by sticking half a million in their Swiss bank

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accounts, maybe you can corrupt them.

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I think you saw the same thing with the American election. I know we're definitely

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getting maybe more into conspiracy land here, but honestly, I think anybody

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who thinks that was legit election is kidding themselves.

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I mean, there's videos of election

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officials that are stuffing ballots and doing all this kind of stuff.

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I think the idea that Joe Biden got 81 million votes is kind of silly. Let me just look at them.

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But it turns out that there are just a few states. There's just seven states

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that really swing the balance of election.

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And in those states, there's one or two counties.

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That's it. So in Georgia, there's Fulton County and in Atlanta, and that's it.

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In Wisconsin, there's some county in Milwaukee, another one in Madison.

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If you get those to tip, that you can swing the whole election.

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So that's, I think it's one of the things we've talked about before is that

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there, you know, there's,

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These systems have corruption in them.

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And if we understand them, we understand sort of how they're corrupted,

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I think that we can really benefit.

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We can avoid problems. We can really benefit by understanding them.

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And I think Canada is a good example, how we have a prime minister,

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which has really been acting like a dictator for a number of years,

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and how he's still in power.

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And he's done that just by corrupting one other leader. Right.

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That's what he did. One other person. Yeah.

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And the scary part of that is he can stay in power for a very long time, like Putin.

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Yeah, to 2025 at least. Right. So this is incredible.

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I mean, so we like to think we live in free societies in Canada and the US,

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but there's a lot of corruption and I just think we have to see through it.

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The problem is when you just watch CBC News or you watch social media,

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you're never going to know the truth.

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So you've really got to go deeper and this is back to contrarian thinking.

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My big concern and my big issue last couple of years has been health,

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because what I was told, you know, with this pandemic or pandemic,

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you know, for two weeks, we all stay home, all of society shuts down and then,

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you know, it should go away.

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And, you know, they dragged it out for years, especially in Canada.

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I mean, there's still people, they haven't stopped wearing masks.

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I mean, this just hasn't ended.

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So I think we have to really look at that and go, you know, why is this happening?

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And so over the last couple of years, I've done a lot of research and things that,

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you know, they, they present as normal, like made no sense. So,

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I mean, uh, you're, uh, you're married to a physician, uh, you know,

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incredible academic, uh, record, but maybe we could just talk about masks for

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a moment. Let's just, just give that an example.

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Yeah. I mean, it's, it's just unbelievable to me that masks really had taken

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off the way that they, they have, like even on its surface, it really doesn't make any sense.

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Um, that you've, you know, Nevermind that the research, which actually has showed

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very clearly that masks do not work even against viruses,

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but I'm sorry, even against bacteria in many cases, but you know,

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the pores in these masks are like a thousand times bigger than a virus.

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They provide no protection at all against the virus.

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You know, one of the things that I heard that really was enlightening on this

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front is that even patients with tuberculosis, which is highly contagious and

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there's like drug resistant and tuberculosis now in hospitals.

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It's really, really dangerous. It's actually like a micro bacterium that causes it.

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Even those patients would not wear masks. So doctors would wear masks,

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but the patients wouldn't that had this thing.

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So it was crazy that they had people walking around, everybody with masks with

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like fricking bandanas on.

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I mean, what on earth was that all about?

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And the truth is, is those people were sicker and I heard that.

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And it's harmed people, especially children. I heard that from my wife that

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said, you know what, when they showed me, He said, you know what I've noticed?

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The sickest people are the ones that wear masks all the time. Right.

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And actually, those are the ones that are breathing in their own exhaust.

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They're actually breathing in bacteria all the time.

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And if you go back to 1918, to the Spanish flu, apparently, most of those deaths

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were actually from pneumonia, which came from people wearing those masks.

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The people who are outside, the way that they treated this, people who are outside getting vitamin D.

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Breathing in fresh air, actually were the ones that had gotten better. Right.

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What's interesting about what you just said is think about what the government

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messaging. Again, I'm just speaking from a Canadian perspective.

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Every country dealt with it differently, but Canada was really incredible where

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they told you to stay inside.

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As a matter of fact, if you went to a park or you went just outside to a golf

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course, you'd get fines.

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I know people that were getting $700 tickets because they wanted to get outside and get some fresh air.

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Uh yeah i did take their children i got to go working out

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in a park i got i got one yeah and i cut i cut

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the yellow tape to go work out in a park and i got a i got

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a $700 ticket i got a $6,200 ticket for uh coming back through pearson and trotter

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and i refused to test that their thing and i got one there too so which they

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threw out court so yeah of course but the fact that they impose these things

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or i i told you um you know my personal story i i put up with a two-week you

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you know, stay at home. I did.

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But then I just took my car, drove across the border or tried to drive across

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the border because I could have flown no problem.

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I could sit three inches away from someone and that was completely safe.

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But me driving alone in my car, apparently that was a problem for Canada.

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They wouldn't let me go. They wouldn't let me cross the country.

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So I was put under some new order they passed.

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It was a house arrest for 15 days where I couldn't leave my house.

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I couldn't go for groceries, couldn't go for a walk.

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And I had two OPP officers constantly constantly driving around our neighborhood

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to make sure that I never left my house.

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I mean, I can't even imagine what that would cost the government because I tried to leave by driving.

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So I started to realize this is just insane.

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And I think we have so many stories of this, but it's great when courts finally

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look at this and go, this is completely illegal and you can't do this to people.

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Yeah. And I hope it does some good.

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I mean, the cynic in me would say, this is the government getting away with

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it. I mean, the same way that I got a bogus $6,200 ticket, the cop who gave

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me the ticket knew that it was bogus, gave it to me anyway.

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The judge threw it out, but they did it anyway. And how many,

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so how many people basically subjected themselves to this insane testing where

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they have this Q-tip this long shoved up.

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In their nose right up against their brain like and for what

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why do we have that right if if this is such a

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a terrible virus there's plenty right down here you don't

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need to go stick it all right right up in the brain uh right next to

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there there are people literally who have died from having their thing perforated

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up there um you know so like this country's actually lawless and that's and

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that's what the that's what this court just said the court just said that the

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government is acting like there are no laws and they can go and do what they

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want um and it's it it took three years for this to go through the court system.

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But meanwhile, the job is done, right? So hopefully this stops further abuse from happening.

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I hope so, because I know my kid's been affected.

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It's very tough. I got three kids, Mark, and it's very tough to get them to

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school now because of all these COVID lockdowns.

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And apparently I'm not the only one. I'm seeing the statistics are just shocking.

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In Ohio, they're now paying students to go to school. So if you live in Ohio

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and you're a high school student, they're gonna pay you.

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And I see like, I think I'm gonna do it with my kids because they're just,

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the idea is they don't want to go to school anymore.

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All this brainwashing the government did scared them half to death.

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And now kids have just, it's become like a real crutch.

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So it's a challenge, but the damage that's been done is just incredible.

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So hopefully we've learned our lessons.

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But I remember Elon talking about this and they said, Elon, you know,

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you never shut shut down your factories. You never wear masks.

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People weren't getting COVID in your factories, but he's a first principles thinker.

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So what he did immediately was they had factories in China near Wuhan.

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And he found that no one was getting sick.

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So in Wuhan, and he had a factory near Wuhan, China. He's like,

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interesting. No one's dying from this. This isn't happening.

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So that's what, again, he did his own first principles thinking in terms of

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why he told his people, deal. We're not shutting down.

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You don't have to wear masks. You know, and, and.

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If you want to get vaccinated, great, but he didn't, he didn't enforce it.

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So it's very interesting. And I'll give you my example.

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Like I've never gotten COVID and Mark, I traveled a million miles in over two and a half years.

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Like, like, so, I mean, it's not like I wasn't like, I wasn't like sitting like, you know, in a cave.

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So I think that we really have to question everything anytime that comes from big government.

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And really today I want to talk about big pharma and some of the crazy things

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that we've heard from big pharma.

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I think those two are, you know, very much, uh, very much the same thing.

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I mean, big government, big defense, you know, all these wars that are going

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around, around the world, big pharma, you know, so yeah, there was,

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um, probably the most decorated, uh, American enlisted man, you know, of all time.

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He was, you know, whatever it is, he was a very senior military officer.

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He wrote in 1933, he wrote, um, a monograph, um, called war is a racket.

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And I think honestly, everyone should read it. It'll take you 20 minutes to

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read it. And even written back then, he basically showed how pretty much every

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war was effectively started by arms merchants and banks because they have a lot to profit from war.

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And so if war is profitable, there may be more wars. And you know what?

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If pandemics are profitable, then there may be more pandemics.

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And, you know, vaccination is an incredibly profitable thing.

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Business. Right. So on that topic, part of my research recently is learning

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that when you're a pharmaceutical company, you don't have to disclose the evidence

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they submit, for example, the FDA.

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So what they do is they keep the data and three quarters of all of these peer

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reviewed reports are all funded by big pharma.

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Big pharma, not only do they not release the data to anyone,

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even if it's like being published in the New England Journal of Medicine,

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They don't even get the data, and all they use these things for is just propaganda to convince doctors.

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What's interesting about peer-reviewed studies, it's really,

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imagine I read a book, and I wrote a book report, and I give you my book report,

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and I say, Mark, I want you to do a peer review,

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give me a peer review study on my book report. So you've never,

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you've never read the book.

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You're just giving me your opinion on my book report.

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This is what all, this is what, this is the medical science that all of our doctors are relying on.

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To me, that was horrific. Just want to get your feedback on that.

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Oh, it's absolutely bananas.

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And you know what? It takes a lot to blow my mind. I'm pretty cynical about

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government, big pharma and all the rest.

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It had been for years. My mind was blown by this.

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Um i just didn't realize the extent

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of the of of this sort of corruption where

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um essentially big pharma can say okay we

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want to sell a whole bunch of this drug we're going to go and

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um basically make up some bs study and a

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lot of this really are bs studies uh it's

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not hard to make up data and even if not made up i

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mean if they they use eight eight mice you

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know eight mice which is what is how pfizer did it right they

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got eight mice but yeah pfizer and moderna for their booster right booster shot

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yeah um booster shot which has actually a different formulation from the original

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shot so you probably should go do a full study but they didn't yeah um but yeah

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it was it was really mind blown right where you can basically make some stuff up,

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The doctors then have to follow the protocol. If they don't follow the protocol,

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then they get in trouble.

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Most of them probably don't even question it in the first place. They just go and do it.

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Any patient that asks for a second opinion, they get pissed off.

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And so you end up getting people that, for example, who are on statins.

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So statins is one of the biggest selling drugs of all time. I can't remember

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what the number is. 20 billion. It's like something ridiculous.

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And it's all based on made up garbage. okay

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is based on this idea that cholesterol is the

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enemy and causing all this heart disease it's not okay it's

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sure cholesterol is a problem if you our blood is

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full of sugar and the cholesterol is binding to the sugar and causing clots

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and stuff cholesterol is actually really important it's what our brain is made

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of it's made of cholesterol we need cholesterol to produce testosterone i mean

441
00:28:44,953 --> 00:28:49,173
it is actually critical all the old-time bodybuilders i mean they ate dozens

442
00:28:49,173 --> 00:28:50,993
dozens of eggs a day and they're in really,

443
00:28:51,093 --> 00:28:53,433
really good shape. Okay. They had lots and lots of cholesterol.

444
00:28:53,873 --> 00:28:57,733
Um, so you have someone in the heart there, there now have elevated cholesterol.

445
00:28:57,873 --> 00:29:00,273
The doctor said, you got to go and take a statin and then you go and take these

446
00:29:00,273 --> 00:29:01,253
statins to reduce cholesterol.

447
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:05,433
And then you start seeing a rise of things like Alzheimer's Parkinson's,

448
00:29:05,433 --> 00:29:09,013
all these sort of neurodegenerative diseases that are like totally spiking.

449
00:29:09,393 --> 00:29:13,893
Um, and now that basically the guy on that podcast, I kind of escapes my memory now.

450
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,813
Um, but basically he was the guy, he was a a total mainstream doctor.

451
00:29:17,933 --> 00:29:21,473
He was the guy who pointed the finger at Vioxx and said, hey, this thing is a problem.

452
00:29:22,373 --> 00:29:25,553
And he got in all kinds of trouble. I mean, he tried to shut that guy down.

453
00:29:25,653 --> 00:29:29,713
Right. Right. Because he was an enemy of big pharma, but luckily,

454
00:29:29,853 --> 00:29:30,733
you know, he persevered.

455
00:29:30,753 --> 00:29:35,533
And now, you know, Vioxx has been pulled off the shelf, but at the cost of what?

456
00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:39,893
You know, I had two, I've now have two grandparents that have neurodegenerative disease. Like,

457
00:29:40,723 --> 00:29:45,283
who knows what cost it, and maybe the drugs are there. Right. So on that point,

458
00:29:45,543 --> 00:29:49,643
now that we know the pharmaceutical companies do not give their data to anyone

459
00:29:49,643 --> 00:29:54,983
on the studies, the only way to get the data is when you are in litigation with

460
00:29:54,983 --> 00:29:58,943
them and you get a court order and then they get the data off their hard drives.

461
00:29:59,023 --> 00:30:03,483
But literally, it's only at that point will big pharma give that.

462
00:30:03,663 --> 00:30:08,863
So Robert F. Kennedy Jr., which is running for president, and I think he's incredible, credible.

463
00:30:09,363 --> 00:30:13,783
He's sued more Big Pharma. He's been litigating Big Pharma than anyone.

464
00:30:14,223 --> 00:30:18,963
So, when I read his book about vaccines, I mean, it's probably the most credible

465
00:30:18,963 --> 00:30:24,463
book you can read because he's the only one of the few humans that's actually seen the data,

466
00:30:24,543 --> 00:30:27,563
that was allowed to actually see the real data from Big Pharma,

467
00:30:27,703 --> 00:30:29,663
and he's completely against them.

468
00:30:30,023 --> 00:30:33,823
So, again, everyone else has opinions, but even these peer-reviewed studies

469
00:30:33,823 --> 00:30:36,483
are just Just somebody commenting on somebody's book report,

470
00:30:36,643 --> 00:30:40,723
they've never read the book, to me is a clear indication of you have to be very

471
00:30:40,723 --> 00:30:45,183
careful who we're listening to when it gets to medical information.

472
00:30:45,563 --> 00:30:49,523
Yeah, no, it's very interesting. I've been following very closely the story

473
00:30:49,523 --> 00:30:54,443
around ivermectin, which is a very interesting drug.

474
00:30:54,903 --> 00:31:00,123
It is one of the safest drugs in the world. The discoverer of ivermectin won

475
00:31:00,123 --> 00:31:02,403
a Nobel Prize for medicine.

476
00:31:02,403 --> 00:31:07,523
It has cured, you know, hundreds of millions of people in mainly in Africa and

477
00:31:07,523 --> 00:31:13,243
other poor countries of river blindness and other parasitic like disease.

478
00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:17,883
But it's also been found to have a very powerful antiviral effect,

479
00:31:17,983 --> 00:31:19,603
including against coronaviruses.

480
00:31:19,783 --> 00:31:26,063
So there was a group of frontline physicians that were treating acute COVID

481
00:31:26,063 --> 00:31:29,363
like back when we had wild type COVID, when it was actually kind of a thing.

482
00:31:30,043 --> 00:31:36,563
Not the weak-ass Omicron and other things today that give you a 24-hour flu and you're done.

483
00:31:37,023 --> 00:31:39,783
But back when there was wild type, where there were people who were actually dying.

484
00:31:40,768 --> 00:31:44,188
Um, and so some of these doctors were looking at old drugs and trying to see

485
00:31:44,188 --> 00:31:45,048
if they could repurpose them.

486
00:31:45,108 --> 00:31:50,548
And they found that, um, they found that ivermectin, uh, was actually very effective.

487
00:31:50,788 --> 00:31:54,228
Actually, even here in Toronto, uh, there was something very interesting thing

488
00:31:54,228 --> 00:31:57,888
that happened that there was, um, so, you know, wild type COVID was,

489
00:31:58,008 --> 00:32:00,628
was killing a lot of old people in the nursing homes.

490
00:32:00,828 --> 00:32:04,128
Yeah. And just so we're all clear, the average age of a COVID deaths by 80,

491
00:32:04,288 --> 00:32:08,288
um, they typically were obese and had several health issues.

492
00:32:08,288 --> 00:32:13,968
That's the profile of a COVID death, despite what the media told you. Right. Yeah.

493
00:32:14,048 --> 00:32:17,448
Average age was over 80. So in the care homes, in the nursing homes,

494
00:32:17,648 --> 00:32:24,288
I mean, there were a lot of people that were dying of COVID and assisted by

495
00:32:24,288 --> 00:32:28,148
protocols in the hospital that actually hastened their death in many cases.

496
00:32:28,328 --> 00:32:35,068
But there was one nursing home in Toronto that had no deaths at all from COVID.

497
00:32:35,068 --> 00:32:38,748
And the reason why is very interesting is because they had an outbreak of scabies.

498
00:32:39,048 --> 00:32:45,048
And so everybody was on ivermectin, which is a cure for scabies. And nobody got COVID.

499
00:32:45,748 --> 00:32:50,068
So we also see very low COVID in Africa.

500
00:32:50,208 --> 00:32:54,468
We see very low COVID in places like Haiti. So some of the poorest places in

501
00:32:54,468 --> 00:32:59,168
the world with really crappy health care, they didn't get it all.

502
00:32:59,268 --> 00:33:01,788
And a lot of it was because they're on this drug. out.

503
00:33:01,888 --> 00:33:04,328
And so these guys, including Dr.

504
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:09,288
Pierre Corey, who's like a phenomenal frontline pulmonologist,

505
00:33:09,348 --> 00:33:13,788
a lung doctor, started to push this out. And he was getting absolutely slammed.

506
00:33:14,248 --> 00:33:16,788
And the reason why, again, this comes out to the corruption,

507
00:33:16,968 --> 00:33:21,548
is that there's a law, there's a rule that says that if there's any effective

508
00:33:21,548 --> 00:33:26,408
treatment against a particular disease, an experimental treatment.

509
00:33:27,067 --> 00:33:33,907
You know, um, so an experimental authorized, um, the treatment or vaccine like

510
00:33:33,907 --> 00:33:35,867
the vaccine that we have cannot be given.

511
00:33:36,027 --> 00:33:38,587
It can't be given because we have this other thing that's safe.

512
00:33:38,647 --> 00:33:41,267
We can't give an experimental thing that's not been tested properly.

513
00:33:41,627 --> 00:33:47,207
So they had to kill that thing. They demonized any doctor that would prescribe ivermectin.

514
00:33:47,307 --> 00:33:51,467
They made it very difficult for me to import it. I actually imported a whole bunch of it from India.

515
00:33:51,547 --> 00:33:56,207
They gave me, gave me a really a hard time with it um and and i get it that

516
00:33:56,207 --> 00:33:58,587
so that really kind of opened my eyes to just how,

517
00:33:59,167 --> 00:34:03,167
corrupt the system is so mark let me just tell you a personal end with this so,

518
00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:08,887
i i finally escaped canada after 30 days of trying to leave um i get to costa

519
00:34:08,887 --> 00:34:12,667
rica where things were open where they didn't close anyone like we we um we

520
00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:16,147
had a 10 10 p.m curfew which i like so i go to bed early but really they didn't

521
00:34:16,147 --> 00:34:19,147
close their churches they didn't close the synagogues they didn't close all

522
00:34:19,147 --> 00:34:21,707
the schools they didn't close the gyms like think about canada for for years,

523
00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:25,667
you know, closing the gyms, like the one place that you're going to get healthy

524
00:34:25,667 --> 00:34:27,727
and closing the place of worship.

525
00:34:27,887 --> 00:34:31,347
Like, this is just insane that we did this, but regardless. So I'm in Costa

526
00:34:31,347 --> 00:34:35,127
Rica spending a lot of time and I became very good friends with an emergency doctor.

527
00:34:35,387 --> 00:34:38,767
And I was like everyone else looking at these daily stats and I'm thinking,

528
00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:40,947
why is no one dying in Costa Rica?

529
00:34:41,187 --> 00:34:43,867
Like sure they had COVID, but no one's dying.

530
00:34:44,267 --> 00:34:47,347
So this doctor, she said, well, it's very simple.

531
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:54,107
We give ivermectin to all COVID patients and they go home, they get better. I'm like, really?

532
00:34:54,747 --> 00:34:58,727
And they didn't have the ventilators that we were told that we needed.

533
00:34:59,087 --> 00:35:01,067
And I was just shocked about this.

534
00:35:01,707 --> 00:35:05,307
But in Canada, if you spoke about it, literally, because I did,

535
00:35:05,387 --> 00:35:08,027
I would post articles, they were all blocked.

536
00:35:08,167 --> 00:35:11,247
They were shut down. Just like even Joe Rogan, even when Joe Rogan spoke up,

537
00:35:11,327 --> 00:35:12,487
they tried to take him out.

538
00:35:12,687 --> 00:35:16,627
So it was incredible that that when you talked about something was actually

539
00:35:16,627 --> 00:35:20,507
going to help save people's lives, you were not allowed to speak about it and you were demonized.

540
00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:24,287
This to me is absolutely incredible and this is still going on.

541
00:35:24,487 --> 00:35:27,847
So what's really scary about the world that we're living in,

542
00:35:28,027 --> 00:35:29,767
you can't talk about certain things.

543
00:35:29,947 --> 00:35:35,067
So I recently found out that when FDA decides to approve a drug,

544
00:35:35,327 --> 00:35:39,347
I thought it was, you know, the FDA had huge laboratories and they were testing things.

545
00:35:39,527 --> 00:35:43,047
Because even when I read Consumer Reports and I want to buy a new toaster,

546
00:35:43,047 --> 00:35:47,207
Consumer Reports goes out, they buy dozens of toasters, they put them through

547
00:35:47,207 --> 00:35:51,207
all kinds of tests, and they write a real report on which is the best toaster.

548
00:35:51,487 --> 00:35:56,887
What the FDA does is they take those studies that pharma pays for,

549
00:35:57,027 --> 00:36:01,547
that only pharma sees the data, and they only have to convince one bureaucrat

550
00:36:01,547 --> 00:36:03,567
in the FDA that it's working.

551
00:36:03,767 --> 00:36:08,487
So let's use like OxyContin, for example. So they convinced one man that OxyContin

552
00:36:08,487 --> 00:36:14,627
was okay based on these studies that the pharma company came up with,

553
00:36:14,687 --> 00:36:15,967
and they never provide the data.

554
00:36:16,367 --> 00:36:19,747
And on the OxyContin, it was the first time they'd done this in history,

555
00:36:19,827 --> 00:36:23,207
where they just put a little warning label, and they said, it is believed.

556
00:36:24,151 --> 00:36:27,411
I mean, this is incredible. Never in the history of medicine have we heard it. It is believed.

557
00:36:27,711 --> 00:36:34,671
And this one drug has now killed more people than all of the wars in our lifetime combined.

558
00:36:35,591 --> 00:36:40,311
This year, between fentanyl and OxyContin, we're talking about 100,000 young people are going to die.

559
00:36:40,451 --> 00:36:44,691
This is more than all of the wars, but yet it's still being sold.

560
00:36:44,931 --> 00:36:48,331
And my mom yesterday told me she's going to get knee surgery,

561
00:36:48,471 --> 00:36:51,971
which again, I think we should avoid hospitals at all costs.

562
00:36:51,971 --> 00:36:54,731
And of course this is what they're going to prescribe for her

563
00:36:54,731 --> 00:36:58,131
they're going to give her you know some Oxycontin I'm like oh my gosh mom it's

564
00:36:58,131 --> 00:37:03,531
like the most addictive it's like crack cocaine but yet this is how Big Pharma

565
00:37:03,531 --> 00:37:07,291
operates and you can't speak about it because you'll get blocked you'll get

566
00:37:07,291 --> 00:37:11,451
taken out it's incredible how this system works and you know this has a long

567
00:37:11,451 --> 00:37:12,631
history I was reading that,

568
00:37:13,631 --> 00:37:19,851
the like the history of of PharmaCare is pretty interesting so the American

569
00:37:19,851 --> 00:37:23,911
Medical Association which sounds like it you know, August venerable organization.

570
00:37:24,131 --> 00:37:26,551
It sounds like that sounds kind of official.

571
00:37:28,331 --> 00:37:34,691
It's not. It was created by John Rockefeller from Standard Oil fame, right?

572
00:37:34,731 --> 00:37:39,491
And basically pharmaceuticals are created from petroleum, you know, product.

573
00:37:39,591 --> 00:37:43,571
So this was a way to kind of extend his, you know, his empire.

574
00:37:43,771 --> 00:37:45,571
So he created American Medical Association.

575
00:37:45,971 --> 00:37:52,171
They made it all about pharmacare. Any doctors that advocated for natural remedies

576
00:37:52,171 --> 00:37:57,911
of things were basically pushed out, were essentially made fun of,

577
00:37:57,991 --> 00:38:02,431
were removed from their positions of academic influence.

578
00:38:04,091 --> 00:38:08,771
And, you know, progressively, our health care has become more and more about

579
00:38:08,771 --> 00:38:10,651
sick care and pharma care.

580
00:38:10,831 --> 00:38:13,031
Oh, you're sick. OK, here's a drug for that. that.

581
00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:18,991
And increasingly those drugs actually cause, can cause as much problems as they fix.

582
00:38:19,151 --> 00:38:23,131
I know my dad's a pharmacist and I remember I used to work in his pharmacy when

583
00:38:23,131 --> 00:38:27,991
I was 13 and you'd have these patients that were on like 20 different drugs

584
00:38:27,991 --> 00:38:33,111
with who knows all the different, even he couldn't keep track of all the potential interactions.

585
00:38:33,211 --> 00:38:36,651
He had 20 drugs and he would tell me, you know what, if, if they would get off

586
00:38:36,651 --> 00:38:38,671
18 of these, it'd probably be a lot better.

587
00:38:39,311 --> 00:38:42,371
Um, so, so yeah, you know, like like the.

588
00:38:43,182 --> 00:38:45,662
You know, it's interesting. I lived in Singapore for a couple of years and they

589
00:38:45,662 --> 00:38:48,042
have a, they have a different structure there, which I really like,

590
00:38:48,162 --> 00:38:52,802
uh, where if you're healthy, you actually get paid for that.

591
00:38:52,822 --> 00:38:57,422
Like their, their, their system is about prevention of getting sick in the first place.

592
00:38:57,742 --> 00:39:01,502
Uh, you see a lot more people exercising, you see people use better diets as

593
00:39:01,502 --> 00:39:05,542
a, as an example, but, but here, I mean, you're right. The healthcare system is a mess.

594
00:39:05,622 --> 00:39:08,502
You have to stay out of the hospital, you know, at all costs.

595
00:39:08,662 --> 00:39:12,182
And when a doctor tells you, you know, something, honestly, Honestly,

596
00:39:12,182 --> 00:39:14,802
if you can get a second opinion, you probably should. I have a friend of mine.

597
00:39:14,922 --> 00:39:15,942
You have to get a second opinion.

598
00:39:16,122 --> 00:39:20,422
It's crazy. I have a friend of mine who got diagnosed with breast cancer and

599
00:39:20,422 --> 00:39:23,542
actually got three different opinions, three different surgeons with three different

600
00:39:23,542 --> 00:39:25,262
suggestions of what to do. Right.

601
00:39:25,842 --> 00:39:31,282
It's absolutely bananas. Yeah. So on that point, I had dinner with a great friend

602
00:39:31,282 --> 00:39:34,402
and he was a principal, a retired principal, really smart.

603
00:39:34,542 --> 00:39:38,622
One of the brightest and most amazing educators I'd met in years. years.

604
00:39:38,802 --> 00:39:42,562
So he went to Humber Hospital, which is the most advanced hospital in Canada.

605
00:39:42,962 --> 00:39:45,142
They spent billions in those hospitals, all digital.

606
00:39:46,502 --> 00:39:50,862
And he spent about 20 hours going through the whole emergency process.

607
00:39:51,422 --> 00:39:54,442
And then they told him, oh, immediately you've got to go in for surgery.

608
00:39:54,862 --> 00:39:58,642
So they get him all prepped for surgery. Surgeon comes in, looks at his file

609
00:39:58,642 --> 00:39:59,902
and says, why are you here?

610
00:40:00,342 --> 00:40:05,522
You have a bacteria. Why are they putting you for... He almost got the wrong surgery.

611
00:40:05,682 --> 00:40:08,722
This happens all the time. And it gets worse. Then three Three days later,

612
00:40:08,802 --> 00:40:11,002
they sent him to a different hospital to meet another doctor.

613
00:40:11,262 --> 00:40:15,522
Then they were told when he got there after nine hours in ER again,

614
00:40:15,742 --> 00:40:17,962
he was told that doctor retired.

615
00:40:18,402 --> 00:40:21,022
And he said, this doesn't make any sense. And they thought they made a mistake

616
00:40:21,022 --> 00:40:22,822
in the file. Wrong doctor. I

617
00:40:22,822 --> 00:40:26,142
mean, this goes on and on. This happened in Canada. This is two weeks ago.

618
00:40:26,699 --> 00:40:30,579
Um, this is, this is not a third world country, but, but our medical system

619
00:40:30,579 --> 00:40:36,359
is really, so we, again, we have to question, uh, you cannot take one doctor's, um, information.

620
00:40:36,819 --> 00:40:39,999
Again, I run now my blood test through chat GPT gives me what I,

621
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:41,399
you know, information I trust.

622
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,599
So we have to be really, really careful. Uh, just one last story,

623
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:49,119
Mark, cause this happened to me today. I took Ava, uh, the dog to the vets.

624
00:40:49,339 --> 00:40:52,839
So what happened was what I, what I saw 20,

625
00:40:52,939 --> 00:40:55,839
about 25 years ago, I started a pet food company and what

626
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,839
we learned is veterinarians for example they're all their education

627
00:40:58,839 --> 00:41:01,859
is funded by um iams which is science diet

628
00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:06,319
or purina um so immediately ask the doctor you know what what what uh you know

629
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:10,079
what food should i use and of course they default to well you know there's some

630
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:14,459
brands by purina we really like and by by i am science and i said why is that

631
00:41:14,459 --> 00:41:18,379
oh well they've given us this information they've given us these studies right

632
00:41:18,379 --> 00:41:21,559
again these are manipulative studies that no one's ever seen the data on,

633
00:41:21,619 --> 00:41:25,299
and every veterinarian that you go to is going to say the same thing.

634
00:41:25,439 --> 00:41:28,599
They're always going to promote an IAMS science diet.

635
00:41:28,759 --> 00:41:32,179
Again, there's two companies that control the pet food, and these are some of

636
00:41:32,179 --> 00:41:34,099
the worst foods you can possibly feed your animal.

637
00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:38,879
But again, why is this happening? Because the vets, just like a lot of our doctors,

638
00:41:38,999 --> 00:41:42,759
and I know you're married to one, are given information that is false,

639
00:41:42,899 --> 00:41:44,259
and they don't know any better.

640
00:41:44,399 --> 00:41:49,799
They just assume that somebody had actually read the data, saw the data that didn't.

641
00:41:50,059 --> 00:41:52,519
And again, these are some of the issues that we live with every day.

642
00:41:52,619 --> 00:41:55,639
So I think the moral of what we've learned the last couple of years with pandemic

643
00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:00,699
is question everything, do your own research, uh, and be very wary of what the

644
00:42:00,699 --> 00:42:02,939
government or, or what the experts are telling us.

645
00:42:03,379 --> 00:42:06,359
Yeah. And it's gotta be, I mean, it's, it's gotta be overwhelming.

646
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,019
I mean, I've, I've spent the last three months probably doing,

647
00:42:09,059 --> 00:42:13,099
um, you know, a lot more research about, for example, health and relationships.

648
00:42:13,219 --> 00:42:16,939
And, um, you know, there's just, there's a lot of garbage out there,

649
00:42:16,999 --> 00:42:20,579
but there's also a lot of good stuff up too. And maybe that's one of the things to explore.

650
00:42:21,219 --> 00:42:25,839
You know, I don't know what my algorithm is for figuring out what's real.

651
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:31,159
You know, while COVID was happening, I smelled it. It just didn't add up at

652
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,179
all. Like my spidey sense was tingling.

653
00:42:33,379 --> 00:42:38,339
You know, what first started to really tingle was when I was,

654
00:42:38,339 --> 00:42:41,159
I was really in a stock market, pretty big at that time.

655
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,439
I was doing a lot of investing and trading and stuff.

656
00:42:43,859 --> 00:42:47,599
And the stock market was getting whacked. If you remember like like February,

657
00:42:47,759 --> 00:42:52,179
March of 2020, it was actually one of the steepest dives of all time, right?

658
00:42:52,799 --> 00:42:57,019
Everyone's freaking out. Every day on CNBC, freaking Kramer,

659
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,459
we need a vaccine, right?

660
00:42:59,619 --> 00:43:01,619
Everyone's like vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.

661
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,779
And like me and a bunch of other guys said.

662
00:43:05,607 --> 00:43:10,327
That's weird. Like that doesn't seem to be like the thing to go to,

663
00:43:10,427 --> 00:43:13,447
right? Like what about treatment? What about a drug?

664
00:43:13,667 --> 00:43:17,927
Yeah. Right. Because I remember from the first SARS, because SARS hit Toronto

665
00:43:17,927 --> 00:43:20,547
pretty bad, right? This was one of the epicenters of SARS.

666
00:43:21,987 --> 00:43:27,047
And I remember back then they said they can't vaccinate against the coronavirus.

667
00:43:27,367 --> 00:43:33,387
It mutates too fast. Right. So I'm just like, this just doesn't add up. Right.

668
00:43:33,487 --> 00:43:37,347
And so the spidey sense was tingling. And so I got into the medical research.

669
00:43:37,467 --> 00:43:43,707
I was reading papers every day because it's just like something just was weird about it.

670
00:43:44,387 --> 00:43:48,867
And then I found a couple of papers that were really alarming from the first coronavirus.

671
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:54,707
So the reason why you can't vaccinate against coronavirus is it mutates too fast.

672
00:43:54,767 --> 00:43:57,247
And you get something called antibody dependent enhancement,

673
00:43:57,547 --> 00:43:58,787
which I believe we're seeing.

674
00:43:58,907 --> 00:44:04,767
There are 188,000 young people excess dead.

675
00:44:05,427 --> 00:44:10,507
In the last two years. People who should not have dead that are dead since vaccination,

676
00:44:10,807 --> 00:44:12,687
you know, is it caused by the vaccine?

677
00:44:12,927 --> 00:44:16,667
I can't say for sure. It is sure suspicious, right?

678
00:44:16,767 --> 00:44:22,227
So antibody dependent enhancement happens when you have incomplete binding of

679
00:44:22,227 --> 00:44:25,387
the antigen to the antibody and you actually get a worse problem.

680
00:44:25,707 --> 00:44:29,767
And in this case, like all the kittens would die or all the ferrets would die.

681
00:44:29,927 --> 00:44:34,767
And so you couldn't really create a vaccine because it was worse than the disease itself.

682
00:44:35,207 --> 00:44:39,327
So that started to freak me out. It just didn't make sense.

683
00:44:39,467 --> 00:44:43,347
And my suggestion to everyone at the time was, I think you should hold off on

684
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:47,027
this thing, you know, until you see more data.

685
00:44:48,407 --> 00:44:53,187
How did I know this? I mean, that may be one thing to explore is what is the algorithm.

686
00:44:54,192 --> 00:45:00,272
Of how you know that you should question. Because we don't have unlimited time.

687
00:45:00,532 --> 00:45:01,792
I also think it's common sense.

688
00:45:02,092 --> 00:45:07,212
And when you see, for example, Pfizer, the biggest advertiser in the world,

689
00:45:07,352 --> 00:45:12,152
spending billions and billions of dollars on TV and all the main media,

690
00:45:12,352 --> 00:45:18,532
which 80% of their profit comes from big pharma.

691
00:45:18,692 --> 00:45:21,552
This is when you start questioning, you know why is kramer why

692
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:24,272
is anderson cooper saying this so you gotta you gotta

693
00:45:24,272 --> 00:45:27,612
look deeper right um mark we spoke a lot about what

694
00:45:27,612 --> 00:45:30,492
um some misinformation uh that we've

695
00:45:30,492 --> 00:45:35,132
been got we received not just from big pharma uh but things like for example

696
00:45:35,132 --> 00:45:39,552
uh i was always told you know breakfast the most important meal of the day and

697
00:45:39,552 --> 00:45:43,212
we've got to eat three full meals you got to be snacking all the time these

698
00:45:43,212 --> 00:45:46,572
are things that i was conditioned my entire life like we gotta do and i used

699
00:45:46,572 --> 00:45:49,812
to to yell at my kids, like, no, you've got to have breakfast, most important meal.

700
00:45:49,932 --> 00:45:54,592
And as I spent my, you know, again, I had a lot of extra time during COVID and

701
00:45:54,592 --> 00:45:57,412
I probably, you know, dedicated about a thousand hours over time,

702
00:45:57,572 --> 00:46:01,572
you know, reading books and learning as much as I possibly could about health.

703
00:46:01,612 --> 00:46:04,632
And I realized, oh, there's something called intermittent fasting.

704
00:46:05,032 --> 00:46:09,632
And then I remembered, oh, my old friend, Mark Horkin's been talking about this for years.

705
00:46:10,052 --> 00:46:13,612
And again, I'm Ukrainian, Mark. So when you're Ukrainian, you know,

706
00:46:13,692 --> 00:46:17,392
you're trained to not only never miss a meal, but like Like you just eat like

707
00:46:17,392 --> 00:46:20,092
so much until you fall down. Right. And you know, food is love.

708
00:46:20,312 --> 00:46:23,432
So for me, the idea of intermittent fasting was horrific.

709
00:46:24,352 --> 00:46:27,472
But it's been life-changing for me. So maybe we could just talk about intermittent

710
00:46:27,472 --> 00:46:31,032
fasting because these are some things that we've both been doing for years and we know they work.

711
00:46:31,876 --> 00:46:34,716
Yeah. Intermittent fasting is really interesting.

712
00:46:34,796 --> 00:46:38,276
I remember when I had one of my investors tell me about it and on the surface,

713
00:46:38,376 --> 00:46:40,856
it didn't really make a lot of sense.

714
00:46:41,516 --> 00:46:48,656
But the ancient Greek physicians did talk about it. They talked about the importance of missing a meal.

715
00:46:48,776 --> 00:46:50,956
They talked actually about other things like even bloodletting,

716
00:46:51,016 --> 00:46:52,396
which people made fun of for a while.

717
00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:56,116
But actually, I just read something that it's actually good.

718
00:46:56,116 --> 00:46:58,056
Because I donate blood every two months.

719
00:46:58,316 --> 00:47:01,916
And I do that because I want to deplete iron. I want to dump iron.

720
00:47:02,036 --> 00:47:03,296
It actually increases your health.

721
00:47:04,216 --> 00:47:10,096
So a number of these things that are actually a shock to the body are beneficial to us.

722
00:47:10,176 --> 00:47:12,696
So intermittent fasting is one of them. So sometimes it's good to be hungry.

723
00:47:13,296 --> 00:47:18,096
When you're hungry, it's a signal for your body to regenerate itself,

724
00:47:18,396 --> 00:47:20,556
including regenerating the immune system.

725
00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:24,356
Fire the immune system up. It's a signal to start eating some of those precancerous

726
00:47:24,356 --> 00:47:25,396
cells that are in your body.

727
00:47:26,116 --> 00:47:28,436
And that's a general principle. I mean, I also do, you know,

728
00:47:28,476 --> 00:47:30,516
I do regular trips to the sauna and cold plunge.

729
00:47:30,636 --> 00:47:36,056
Same idea. You shock your body with heat or with cold. You get heat shock proteins,

730
00:47:36,216 --> 00:47:38,036
cold shock proteins. It's renewal for your body.

731
00:47:38,196 --> 00:47:42,076
I mean, think about even, you know, working out in a gym or working out to improve

732
00:47:42,076 --> 00:47:44,316
your heart and lung capacity.

733
00:47:44,456 --> 00:47:49,856
You know, without putting your body under stress, you're really not able to ever improve.

734
00:47:50,436 --> 00:47:55,416
So you hit some really important points. So number one, as I started delving

735
00:47:55,416 --> 00:47:57,776
into intermittent fasting, I realized, oh, it's not a new idea.

736
00:47:58,342 --> 00:48:05,882
Every major religion on earth for thousands of recorded years all has elements

737
00:48:05,882 --> 00:48:09,662
of fasting in it. This is really important. Every single religion.

738
00:48:10,002 --> 00:48:11,722
So this is, again, not a new idea.

739
00:48:12,302 --> 00:48:15,062
But you wonder, like, why were we never told that, you know,

740
00:48:15,102 --> 00:48:16,642
maybe you should eat once a day? You know, why?

741
00:48:17,302 --> 00:48:20,342
And it's interesting when you start reading about, like, how Kellogg's started

742
00:48:20,342 --> 00:48:22,402
and how they create these things.

743
00:48:22,622 --> 00:48:26,462
Or even coffee. like coffee was created for coffee breaks because they found

744
00:48:26,462 --> 00:48:29,842
it was a drug that you could give somebody that would spike performance and

745
00:48:29,842 --> 00:48:32,322
they timed it perfectly in factories.

746
00:48:32,582 --> 00:48:35,462
So here's your coffee break, coffee break. And they got us all addicted,

747
00:48:35,602 --> 00:48:39,602
probably the most addictive drug in our society.

748
00:48:39,882 --> 00:48:43,002
But when you really start studying food and you start realizing,

749
00:48:43,122 --> 00:48:46,442
wow, this is why they're always trying to give us all this food.

750
00:48:46,542 --> 00:48:49,462
And then why are they giving us all these things like they're made from corn?

751
00:48:49,682 --> 00:48:52,562
Oh, it's really cheap for them to do that. that right so

752
00:48:52,562 --> 00:48:55,582
again again not to get you know conspiracy theory but

753
00:48:55,582 --> 00:48:58,682
this is there's always a business motive there's always the money

754
00:48:58,682 --> 00:49:01,662
motive so the good news is i know both of us have been been

755
00:49:01,662 --> 00:49:05,382
doing intermittent fasting for a long time um but i can tell you i've done a

756
00:49:05,382 --> 00:49:08,542
lot of things i've been like a human guinea pig i've been you know a vegetarian

757
00:49:08,542 --> 00:49:12,782
for 30 years and tried you know millions of different things but intermittent

758
00:49:12,782 --> 00:49:15,942
fasting has been the most difficult thing i've done right but probably the the

759
00:49:15,942 --> 00:49:18,882
greatest thing i've done for my health and then let's talk about exercise.

760
00:49:19,422 --> 00:49:23,242
So, you know, that's something we do hear about, but very few people do on a

761
00:49:23,242 --> 00:49:26,582
daily basis, but our bodies need to be put under stress.

762
00:49:26,702 --> 00:49:30,322
Like we need to sweat every day. There's things that our bodies need to do.

763
00:49:30,362 --> 00:49:34,002
So maybe you just, just a couple moments on, on exercise and your thoughts on it.

764
00:49:34,102 --> 00:49:38,482
Yeah. We can take this in a bunch of different directions, but, um.

765
00:49:39,482 --> 00:49:43,022
Building muscle, for example, I've seen a lot of different things,

766
00:49:43,082 --> 00:49:47,102
you know, written over the years, like whether you do, um, you know,

767
00:49:47,102 --> 00:49:52,442
less, less reps, but more weight, or you do, you know, more reps and less weight and whatnot.

768
00:49:52,722 --> 00:49:56,402
I think, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger talked about just the principle of

769
00:49:56,402 --> 00:49:57,842
shock of body shock. Right.

770
00:49:57,922 --> 00:50:01,042
And I think that's just the key thing, right? That if you, if you're in your

771
00:50:01,042 --> 00:50:04,542
comfort zone all the time, like I like strength training, you know,

772
00:50:04,562 --> 00:50:06,122
I like lifting up a lot of weight.

773
00:50:06,362 --> 00:50:09,482
Um, but if that's all you do, you're really not going to improve.

774
00:50:09,622 --> 00:50:13,562
So So every now and again, you probably should do sets of 20 reps at a time.

775
00:50:13,982 --> 00:50:17,302
You should do the occasional F45 class if you're used to strength training,

776
00:50:17,342 --> 00:50:21,962
or if you like your F45, you should go to the gym and sometimes try to just

777
00:50:21,962 --> 00:50:26,342
focus on strength as something different. And you, you know,

778
00:50:26,362 --> 00:50:27,422
you keep your body guessing.

779
00:50:27,762 --> 00:50:30,802
I think the same thing is true with your diet, right?

780
00:50:30,882 --> 00:50:33,562
I think that you want to kind of keep your body guessing. I think that's one

781
00:50:33,562 --> 00:50:36,422
of the things that, you know, so for my intermittent fasting,

782
00:50:36,522 --> 00:50:38,362
I don't eat every Tuesday. Okay.

783
00:50:38,682 --> 00:50:41,622
Uh, so it's about 36 to 48 hours where I don't eat.

784
00:50:41,722 --> 00:50:44,302
In addition to the regular times during the week where, where,

785
00:50:44,442 --> 00:50:48,142
you know, I'll, I'll skip breakfast in the morning, but sometimes I'll do something different.

786
00:50:48,222 --> 00:50:52,982
So sometimes, you know, within an hour of waking, I'll actually have a sort of big dose of protein.

787
00:50:53,062 --> 00:50:55,322
Right. Which is, which is really a good idea. It's yeah.

788
00:50:55,502 --> 00:51:00,402
Yeah. And that's like Tim Ferriss talks about, right? That's the four day body plan.

789
00:51:00,562 --> 00:51:04,622
And so sort of changing things up like that, your body never gets a chance to,

790
00:51:04,662 --> 00:51:08,622
to really adjust, you know, every now and again, having a big bender of a meal.

791
00:51:08,682 --> 00:51:11,542
Like it's probably not a bad thing right it probably shouldn't be a cheat meal

792
00:51:11,542 --> 00:51:14,722
once a week and maybe it's better once a month but once a

793
00:51:14,722 --> 00:51:17,522
month like to go to dimitri's and have a giant sundae like

794
00:51:17,522 --> 00:51:20,442
a big dose of carbs is probably not terrible right and

795
00:51:20,442 --> 00:51:23,642
it convinces your body that it's not starving and whatnot so i

796
00:51:23,642 --> 00:51:26,522
i think that's it i think it's keep your body guessing whether it's whether it's

797
00:51:26,522 --> 00:51:29,822
exercise and nutrition um and and

798
00:51:29,822 --> 00:51:33,082
be weary of of of you know what we're told uh

799
00:51:33,082 --> 00:51:36,282
yeah this is the key we're told and you know focus

800
00:51:36,282 --> 00:51:39,442
on practitioners is really interesting thing i you know i highly recommend everyone

801
00:51:39,442 --> 00:51:42,602
to pick up a copy of arnold schwarzenegger's book

802
00:51:42,602 --> 00:51:45,922
on the encyclopedia of bodybuilding yeah it is an amazing book

803
00:51:45,922 --> 00:51:49,002
it's all these old-timers okay like lou frigno

804
00:51:49,002 --> 00:51:53,722
the original incredible hulk yeah all the old-timey bodybuilders from you know

805
00:51:53,722 --> 00:51:57,602
venice beach and california yeah uh that are in there and they experimented

806
00:51:57,602 --> 00:52:04,562
on their own bodies um so they knew in 1967 that's right carbs were the enemy

807
00:52:04,562 --> 00:52:06,302
that's right no one else would say at at the time,

808
00:52:06,342 --> 00:52:11,302
the government with their food pyramid was saying fat is the enemy.

809
00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:15,562
And Schwarzenegger just said, that just doesn't make sense. I'm going to slurp

810
00:52:15,562 --> 00:52:18,722
my egg yolks. And he says in a book, he's like, eat the egg yolks.

811
00:52:19,042 --> 00:52:23,642
Because he knew that in the 90s, there was this fad where people would just eat the egg whites. Why?

812
00:52:24,542 --> 00:52:28,882
Yolk is full of the evil cholesterol, which we now know actually you need.

813
00:52:29,622 --> 00:52:33,982
So I focus on the people who actually are in the trenches and do things.

814
00:52:35,422 --> 00:52:40,622
And And on the point, but I also believe in people that have proven over decades.

815
00:52:41,162 --> 00:52:44,482
So Arnold Schwarzenegger. So two weeks ago, I was in Venice Beach, California.

816
00:52:44,642 --> 00:52:47,502
I went to Gold's Gym looking for Arnold because I know that's where he goes.

817
00:52:47,662 --> 00:52:50,122
He's there four or five days. I was not there when he was there.

818
00:52:50,302 --> 00:52:52,462
Dr. Huberman, I saw, was there.

819
00:52:53,122 --> 00:52:55,302
But this is a man that's almost 80.

820
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:59,220
And he's still going to the gym at Gold's four or five days a week.

821
00:52:59,220 --> 00:53:01,120
I don't know what else he's doing. I know he bike rides to the gym.

822
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,580
But they asked him recently, they said, Arnold, you're almost 80.

823
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Why do you work out? And he just looked at the reporter and he says,

824
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,940
why do you eat? Why do you breathe?

825
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:13,920
I do this for the rest of my life. So when people are right about something

826
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,700
for decades, and Stallone is the same way.

827
00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:19,600
He's telling his daughters, he wants to eat raw eggs.

828
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,760
So these are people that have gone through decades. decades uh and i think we

829
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,920
need to we need to look at those people yeah versus just like oh the latest

830
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,140
hershey's funded study that's oh chocolate's good for you or

831
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:32,960
or or the state that was put together by you know like the red

832
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,640
wine association oh drink lots of red wine like we have to be really skeptical

833
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,960
i think that's good i think we've actually figured this out because i asked

834
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,100
this question which i didn't know how to answer legitimately did not answer

835
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:48,000
which was we don't have a lot of time okay people who are listening you know

836
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,240
all 12 people who are listening to this podcast today,

837
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:52,860
as it is our first one.

838
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,500
They don't have a lot of time. They're busy building their business.

839
00:53:58,220 --> 00:54:01,140
They are focusing on whatever it is.

840
00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:04,660
They don't have a lot of time. They're like, how do we have this kind of time

841
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:07,600
to go and dig into these things?

842
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,320
And maybe the hack is to find people who have been doing it for a long time

843
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,320
and are still doing it. They're still doing it. They're keeping current.

844
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,460
They're not relying on their old knowledge. They're staying current.

845
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:22,160
They're experimenting on their own bodies.

846
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,080
And they look how we want to look like in 20 or 30 years. I want to look like

847
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:31,020
Stallone does at his age or Schwarzenegger.

848
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:31,400
Like,

849
00:54:31,994 --> 00:54:35,154
You know, I think it's really important. Like when I go to the gym and I get

850
00:54:35,154 --> 00:54:37,634
a trainer, I don't want a trainer that's fatter than me.

851
00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:41,314
Like I see this all the time. Like that's the last person I want to get advice from. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

852
00:54:41,374 --> 00:54:44,594
Particularly, I do see that with trainers because I think, I guess for them,

853
00:54:44,634 --> 00:54:47,774
nutrition and the exercise are not necessarily correlated.

854
00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:52,314
But yeah, no, I would agree on that. I remember seeing there's a guy who talks

855
00:54:52,314 --> 00:54:54,834
about a game online, about how to meet people.

856
00:54:54,954 --> 00:54:58,574
And it was very interesting because this guy has a long, like Santa Claus beard.

857
00:54:58,854 --> 00:55:01,694
He does it on purpose. is a way to show us that, you know what?

858
00:55:01,754 --> 00:55:07,094
I'm so good at what I do that I could look like Santa Claus and I still can

859
00:55:07,094 --> 00:55:08,494
meet people. I'll show you how to do it.

860
00:55:08,614 --> 00:55:12,794
So this is a person who not only has a lot of knowledge, but is current and is testing himself.

861
00:55:13,634 --> 00:55:17,054
I've heard of this joke, which is, you know, if you want to make things really

862
00:55:17,054 --> 00:55:21,394
hard, when you pick up, you wear Crocs, you know, and see if you can make it extra difficult.

863
00:55:22,454 --> 00:55:25,814
But yeah, I think that's it. You know, it seems like we talked about Pierre Corey and Ivor Mekton.

864
00:55:25,894 --> 00:55:29,454
This guy was a frontline physician treating kovat in

865
00:55:29,454 --> 00:55:32,254
the trenches and you know

866
00:55:32,254 --> 00:55:35,054
I think the other thing about these people too is that they're

867
00:55:35,054 --> 00:55:39,714
probably incorruptible or a lot right skull to corrupt so I don't know if it's

868
00:55:39,714 --> 00:55:45,554
so the news that I saw today you know so Carrie Lake who's a candidate for you

869
00:55:45,554 --> 00:55:50,254
know for Senate in Arizona someone tried to corrupt her she actually recorded

870
00:55:50,254 --> 00:55:54,034
it secretly Wow she recorded Recorded it, and now she's going after that guy.

871
00:55:55,954 --> 00:56:02,514
I've seen other recordings where people are like, would you take a million?

872
00:56:02,594 --> 00:56:05,194
Would you take 10 million, whatever, to not do this?

873
00:56:05,314 --> 00:56:09,334
For some people, their reputation means more than anything.

874
00:56:09,654 --> 00:56:13,734
I don't think Schwarzenegger is corruptible. I think Big Sugar could go to him

875
00:56:13,734 --> 00:56:19,374
and say, I'll give you $100 million to promote Raisin Bran, and he's not going to do it.

876
00:56:19,474 --> 00:56:23,314
You're right. All right, I want to leave today with one more thing that I've

877
00:56:23,314 --> 00:56:27,074
learned, and this has taken me many decades, and I'm sure this is one that no

878
00:56:27,074 --> 00:56:28,994
one will debate us, sleep.

879
00:56:30,184 --> 00:56:35,024
80% of our health is determined by our sleep. If we don't get our sleep right,

880
00:56:35,144 --> 00:56:37,244
it doesn't matter what else you do.

881
00:56:37,744 --> 00:56:39,464
You're in trouble. So sleep is

882
00:56:39,464 --> 00:56:42,364
super important. I think that's one of the principles that I've learned.

883
00:56:42,884 --> 00:56:46,544
Figuring out how to get sleep. Get deep sleep and REM sleep.

884
00:56:46,644 --> 00:56:51,664
If you figure that out, that's the part that eludes me. It's the hardest because

885
00:56:51,664 --> 00:56:52,964
we're addicted to our devices.

886
00:56:53,564 --> 00:56:57,084
There's a lot of reasons. But maybe we'll do a whole show because this is really, really important.

887
00:56:57,084 --> 00:57:00,424
Well, now we know what to do, right? We've got to find those people that have

888
00:57:00,424 --> 00:57:05,684
many years of experience at this and are still current and are experimenting

889
00:57:05,684 --> 00:57:10,064
and getting current data because they want to know the truth.

890
00:57:10,304 --> 00:57:13,164
They're not relying. This is what first principles thinking is really all about.

891
00:57:13,284 --> 00:57:16,304
That's what Elon Musk talks about it. Peter Thiel talks about it.

892
00:57:16,344 --> 00:57:17,344
What is first principles thinking?

893
00:57:17,624 --> 00:57:22,364
And it's a very important principle for me, which is you do your own research.

894
00:57:22,404 --> 00:57:25,384
You actually think from the ground up. Yeah.

895
00:57:26,404 --> 00:57:30,444
And so I don't know who that is in sleep. I'll find that person.

896
00:57:30,684 --> 00:57:34,164
Yeah. And they'll know the answer. I've been obsessed with sleep for 30 years

897
00:57:34,164 --> 00:57:37,704
and I'll share some things and some of the tracking devices that I use.

898
00:57:38,324 --> 00:57:41,504
But definitely sleep. It's the most important thing.

899
00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:44,124
And I know everyone is struggling with it. I know our kids are struggling with

900
00:57:44,124 --> 00:57:47,804
it. Our friends are struggling with it. So it'll be a topic for our next podcast.

901
00:57:48,184 --> 00:57:50,864
Mark, thank you so much. Thank you. That's fun. Thank you so much.

902
00:57:51,024 --> 00:57:51,744
Number one. Cheers. Thank you.

903
00:57:52,720 --> 00:58:00,895
Music.