328: Keep Talking About Afghanistan!-with Mahgdalen Rose

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Unknown Speaker  
Hi, thank you so much for having me back.

Brian  
Absolutely. Magdalen. How have things been number one, because I know it's been a while since we last talked think February last year on the show. But number two, what's been going on? You've been busy over in your neck of the woods. So how about this, we've been growing here to show reintroduce yourself to the The Brian Nichols Show audience and let's go into what's been going on in the world of Magnum and Rose.

Unknown Speaker  
Definitely Well, I'm Magdalene rose. I'm 21. And I'm a political affairs correspondent for the crusade channel, which is a radio network. And I'm also one of the hosts on the makefiles network, which is where my in my visual show kind of like this airs, and I interview people in education and foreign affairs and policy, sometimes top pop culture. And I'm also on the board of Tennessee International, which is a young conservative youth organization that deals with helping I think young conservatives who are sort of embattled on college campuses. So that's what's been going on recently, and I'm also a writer for Tennessee.

Brian  
And then the meantime Do you sleep Do you have some time you have a social life? Okay,

Unknown Speaker  
well, not that much of a social life, but I'm also a full time college student.

Brian  
Wow. Okay, so I forget what it must be like to have the energy I mean, I'm an old man approaching 30 here and I know that back when I was young, I actually used to have fun story. It was a Mr. coffee coffee maker and it was actually probably like, two feet or so tall. a foot and a half wide. And you know how you have like the drinking fountain like that drinking fountain the the soda fountains Yeah, yeah, it's like that, but for coffee, and I would fill the entire thing and I would have at least two of those a day. I'm probably not good for the old ticker. But I digress. So with that being said, Matt going on. Yeah, as folks in here. You've been busy. You've been having a lot of great conversations, one of those conversations You had actually, you were saying before, when we were discussing before the air, we started recording on the air that that was actually what got you to your job now at the crusade channel can can segue into how that process work, because I actually found that fascinating from a networking standpoint.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, definitely. And just say no, actually don't drink coffee. So I got the job with a crusade channel, because I interviewed the head of their network, Mike church, about conservative radio, alternative media and conservatism. I really like radio, I think it's a really untapped resource across the political spectrum. So I interviewed him and I guess he was impressed because he he asked me like, if you want to be part of this, and I said to him in the interview, there's such a difficulty in getting mentorship and the conservative world. And I followed up with him. And he explained that he would mentor me and give me pointers and radio. And he's done that. So now I'm their political affairs correspondent, and my show airs in a radio format, obviously, just the audio on their network. And I think something that's been really impressive to me, since I became involved in politics about three years ago, is that when I go into show, I'm usually invited back and like, like, in this case, or I'm given some other opportunity, and I think that's a marker of when you're in a good place in your approving is when people are impressed enough to want to have you back receive value in what you're saying repeatedly.

Brian  
Oh, you said the word I'm so glad I was gonna say it's not just because you're you're great at what you do is because you bring value Magdalen, and that's the key, not just in what you're doing here, but also what people are looking for. out there. When you're selling a solution. When you're selling yourself, honestly, we all have ideas, or in some cases, you're going for a new job, whatever it may be, you have to be able to sell the value of you. And you've done that very, very well. So congratulations on all your success thus far. Yes, absolutely. And let's dig into some of those conversations you're having. And this won't be the topic of today. And that is really something that to your point, we as we were discussing beforehand, we need to keep talking about and that is one Afghanistan that we saw back in, I think it was just as we got towards the end of August there, the Joe Biden administration, pretty much just, you know, tuck tail and ran on a stand. I have been saying for a while, yes, we do need to get out of Afghanistan, as have pretty much every libertarian out there. Just maybe this was not the way to go about that. So a lot of libertarians are on onboard in terms of saying this was not done at all in the right way. Now, granted, Is there ever a right way? Will there ever be a right way? Absolutely not. But let's dig into some of those consequences of what happened Magno and why should we keep on talking about Afghanistan?

Unknown Speaker  
Because it's impacting everything. And what is incredibly frustrating for me, just as somebody who covers the news is that for the weeks leading up to the collapse, really in late August, the middle of August, I had been reporting on as another people, the Taliban recapturing certain provinces in Afghanistan. So their map was rapidly expanding. They were getting areas in the middle of the country to the outskirts, and they were becoming more and more dominant. So for the by the administration to say it sort of caught them off guard or their intelligence was wrong about how long it would take the Afghan military to fall. I don't really understand if I knew it, how did Joe Biden not know it? And I think the long term implications, we're seeing them on the on the international stage, our allies have less patience for us. And I think the reason for that is because we dragged them into a war over 20 years ago with bush. And now that we've left, we've sort of collapsed their presence in the region, It's humiliating for them as well. And then when you also look at the economic cost us billions of dollars of equipment there. And what I've realized that to me is I don't think people understand what the cost financially is going to be to keep the terror threat low going forward, you're going to have to invest in more technology, in more monitoring of people, you're going to see more freedoms infringed upon, because we don't have a foothold in the country, even in a small area to monitor the growing terror threat because Afghanistan can become an area that has been that al Qaeda and ISIS K and ISIS and the Taliban all working together, converging together, because they have a common enemy in us and in the West.

Brian  
So let me play devil's advocate, because as the host of the show, it is my role. So let's now look at I guess, you know, what would be, I guess your solution? If we had stayed? When would it end it? Would it end? Is there a time that you could say, Hey, you know what, we've accomplished our mission, and it's time to come home. What would that look like?

Unknown Speaker  
Oh, I wanted us to leave definitely. I wanted us to have guests, and I don't believe in useless wars. I personally think that we should just make our country a rock of protection in and of itself and have great relationship with partners through technology. My problem with Afghanistan, I don't understand, though, is we have troops stationed all around the world. We have pockets of troops everywhere. And we were repeatedly told by people in the Afghan military people on the ground there that 1000 soldiers could deter the Taliban from reemerging in a big way. That one one Air Base, they're having one military brace rather there can stop the Taliban from reemerging. So We have troops stationed around the world like in South Korea and Germany have many, many troops in Germany, I don't understand why we couldn't no longer be at war with the country, but have some sort of presence as a deterrent, which we do throughout the world, and which I think is successful. On some level, I think, especially when it comes with North Korea. We just needed to turn we didn't need to be at war, but we didn't need a presence. And we could not go in during fighting season with the Taliban and put ourselves in the position where they thought they could come at us, because that is what they believe now.

Brian  
Interesting. So let me now also push back a little bit magdeleine. So I've heard this argument in the past more. So you know, hey, and I think actually, Ben Shapiro says to, you know, it didn't cost us much to do what we've been doing now. What's the cost, that it's somewhere in the ballpark? I think 70 some odd billion dollars, what we are spending over and Afghanistan. So hey, he just says, as a taxpayer, I will say that bill does come to and I think we're at $29 trillion or so of our national debt right now. So that is an issue I am concerned about. But also, he's in our role, should we be the world's policemen, and we heard this a lot from our friends on the left who have suspiciously gone silent during the Biden administration. But I'm old enough to remember back when bush you know, we heard this from the from the left and they were right, we we do not have I say they are right, this is my personal opinion, we do not have not only the moral authority, but we do not have the financial means to be the world's policemen, regardless of the good I guess that would come from that. It's, it's really showing its ugly head at home, when we don't focus inward. And we we do spend a lot of time outward, focusing on keeping the other bad guys from being bad guys, and then in some cases, giving those bad guys our billions of dollars in weapons magazine thoughts?

Unknown Speaker  
Well, I don't think we need to be the world's policemen. I do think however, we're in a situation where because of the failures of several past presidents, and I think some of the failures of Tony Blair from the UK in the early 2000s, we have a very big Islamic terror issue, we have a very big problem in the Middle East. And it's not something we can run away from. So even though I personally don't want to be paying for the protection of other countries, having footholds in the Middle East would, in my opinion, deter a lot of the same issues that we've had in the past. And I think one of the reasons for this, in my view is that if we don't have some sort of presence there, the reality is China or Russia is going to one, I don't think that Russia has the same level of hatred for the US in terms of wanting to eclipse them on a manufacturing level as China does, because they don't have the same capabilities. But China is now being talked about by the Taliban is their number one international partner. So if we have no foothold there, to me, it doesn't really feel like we're not the world's police, it feels like we're being left out of the conversation. And that's something that a country this big, can't afford to have happen. Because when you're a country that's big, you have all the privileges that go along with that you get the best table at Davos, the UN people want to talk to you. But you're also the number one enemy in a lot of people's minds who are trying to build themselves up. It's unfortunate that there are the natural resources there are in Afghanistan, it's unfortunate there's amount of oil there is there. But if we don't have some sort of ability to monitor at least what's going on there, I fear will be caught very unaware of what happens going forward.

Brian  
So I've done my libertarian part, my audience heard it, I do what I supposed to do. We're gonna move forward, because I don't want to focus too much on the the differences of opinion, because, hey, this is where we are now, right now, let's go to the real world. This is something that libertarians get too stuck in. It was a well, it should have been like this. And I say, well, it's not. And here's where we are. So let's work with what we got. And I think that's maybe where we can go this conversation that go on is let's work with what we got. And let's first address to the main point of why you're on the show why Afghanistan needs to stay top of mind, you listed off three issues beforehand. They were financial issues, international issues and domestic issues here at home. Let's start off with the financial issues. Why from a financial perspective? Should we be talking about Afghanistan still,

Unknown Speaker  
because the American people have a right to know how much money was wasted there, we have a right to know how much money was left there in terms of weapons and machinery. And the amount of money that was paid into training and Afghan military that we're now seeing was woefully unprepared. And in a lot of ways, I think was oversold to the international community in their capabilities. There needs to be not just an audit, but it's sort of an evisceration of what happened in the financials of Afghanistan. It's one thing to pour money into a useless conflict. I think a lot of people just assume the United States does that. But then to leave the money there in terms of machinery in terms of equipment. To me, that's mind boggling. And if we don't find out the true cost to Afghanistan, we will never find out the true costs of any war going forward. Because gas has one of the most detested wars by the majority of people in this country. Across age brackets, and that's a very difficult thing to do. Many people seem to like one more if they're one age bracket and not after another. So that's the financial cost. And they also think, if we don't know what the amount of money it took to lose a war, we will never know the amount of money it would take to actually win a war with troops on the ground.

Brian  
Interesting. Interesting. Now, now, I'm not sure do you did you know, you know, the September 10 story, the Pentagon saying or is actually Donald Rumsfeld saying that we couldn't find I think was $2.3 trillion. Which I mean, that number itself is just jaw dropping, trying to even comprehend $2.3 trillion. And it's just like, and we can't find it. You just can't find it. I know, isn't that wild? happens. Um, but then Gee, I guess to your point, and it does reinforce that point is that it is important because that money from you know, September 10, it literally just poof is gone. Yeah, at least we can look at Afghanistan and say, See that? You know that Blackhawk helicopter, how many US tax dollars went towards that? Yeah, that's that's a that sucks. Um, so make sure you feel that pain. I actually did this to one of my reps here. He's easier age. And he was talking. He's a little bit older, he is talking about going out clubbing. And we're up here in Philadelphia. And he was nervous because he was nervous about lockdowns coming back and like all these restrictions. And he goes, Brian, do you think you think they're gonna do it? And I said, you know what I hope they do. And he kind of like, just looked at me like shocked, because he's like, I know, I know, Brian doesn't think that. He's like, What? Why not like, because you have to get angry. Yeah, have to be upset that this is happening to you. And only then will you get actually motivated to do something. Now, I get a little excited looking at our college football stadiums right now who are full of it seems kids your age, who are all together, getting angry and chanting f Joe Biden because of that collective anger. Now, I'm not a fan of collective anger. But at the very least, you're starting to see people acknowledging there's an issue here. So I agree 100%, it is important to keep the financial issues top of mind. Now let's go to the international perspective. What's the argument there of keeping Afghanistan top of mind,

Unknown Speaker  
our allies are furious with us and anyone who thinks they are and is not paying attention to what's happening. You look at this conflict right now between France, the UK and Australia, with the US and Australia and the UK sort of having their own path. Now in terms of development of technologies. There's an issue with nuclear submarines. I don't think France would be this angry had been also not just been humiliated on the world stage being one of the Allies involved in the war, Afghanistan. And this is what you're going to see going forward our allies, our allies, because we have good relations with them. But also because there's an idea of the stability of the United States in terms of esteem and power. When that esteem and power dissipates our allies look at us as what is the failsafe for being your ally? Why are we going to bat for you, and this is something that I wish under the Trump administration have been different. When he was elected, I assumed we were going to see a recalibration of who Trump viewed in the United States viewed as our number one group of allies, perhaps we would go into areas like Poland, which has a very big military, which can defend other people, instead of us always having to do it. I thought we would see more of an interaction with Eastern Bloc in Europe, none of that happened. Instead, we got this strange neo-con foreign policy with some glimmers of hope with pompeyo. So if we don't keep talking about Afghanistan, we're not going to know just how angry our allies are. Make no mistake, Boris Johnson is in big political trouble amongst the military families and the military culture in the UK, which is huge. My dad's from the UK. I know that it's a huge culture there. And there is severe anger, which is our fault, which is a political miscalculation on our part. Do you think nobody cares anymore?

Brian  
Well, well, well, well. I mean, I don't know what more to say that because I know so well said. Kudos magazine on international International, we covered domestic now, this is something I think you're gonna have a lot of people they're gonna say, Yep, I feel it because we all know somebody who served overseas. I have dozens of friends who have served either in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm originally from upstate New York, right near Fort Drum, New York. And I mean, it's part of the culture up there. Um, it hurt a lot of people. A lot of veterans have been hurting. Um, I saw so many veterans sharing just how crushed they were, you know, it was my buddy's death for vain did I lose an arm for nothing? And that hurt me becoming just to see them hurts so much. So, I think right there. Let's start off on the impact on our veterans the impact on those who are serving Magnum. What are you seeing

Unknown Speaker  
It's horrible. And it's especially in my view horrible because I know a lot of young conservatives who have family members who are in the military who are in the military, and they just feel so used and used in the way that not not that they regret going and serving not that they feel used by the country, but used by people like Biden, like republicans like the second Bush, who go and they want photo ops with these troops, they want to go to the Middle East and fly in a cool helicopter, like it's a James Bond movie, and sit there and get photos with them. But then they literally leave a lot of them on the road in Afghanistan. And then when we have 13 servicemembers die from a terrorist attack, and then you find out that the airstrike I believe that the by demonstration audit didn't so much hit the target, but instead killed seven children and several people in that family. I think a lot of veterans feel that the United States is not on the on the right side of a conflict right now in terms of protecting the United States interests. And those 13 servicemembers, too many of those families, in my view, have said specific things about how the by the administration has treated them and acted towards them since they got the news what had happened since the funerals too many of them are upset about it's like to me if you have one person, maybe that one person is wracked with grief or someone is spoken to them. But when you have several family reunion, several parents saying Biden was dismissive and only talked about his own son who died from cancer did not die in service. To me that shows we have a president who is completely apathetic towards the process. It's kind of like, well, he lost his son so you guys can lose your children. It'll be okay.

Brian  
We heard that's empathy. I'm told that empathy, Magdalen. No, it will. And here's the reality, right? If people listen to this program, they would know all about empathy, because Jeremy Todd, and I just did, oh, was it eight, eight weeks, two months of empathy talk, Jeremy, don't worry, nothing in a bad way. I'm saying that because we learn so much. I mean, it was like going to class. So if you really want learn what empathy is, folks go back and listen to our past two, two months here with Jeremy, on our Monday episodes, but to the point, yeah, Joe Biden, he got f minus, like, Yeah, but not good reviews at all, from people now, especially in terms of not how he was not just not just alone with the interaction with the families. But I mean, goodness, the caskets coming off the plane, and he's looking at his watch. The optics are horrid.

Unknown Speaker  
He's terrible. It is so horrible in it,

Brian  
I guess. And that's, as we're going towards the end the conversation, let's paint it this way. Because your average person, they're listening to this? And if they're getting mad, good, but what what next, what what should your average person do mad going to keep Afghanistan not only in the conversation, but actually get something done about it?

Unknown Speaker  
Well, I think on the Republican side, you have to get angry at the republican to stop talking about it. And what I mean by that is, you're going to go into 2022. And you're going to hear the same crap from the GOP about tax cuts and school choice and all this stuff. And you're going to notice that they're only going to criticize Biden, on the service members who died your own, they're only going to criticize him on specific things, they need to be criticizing him on the entire evacuation process. So if you see a Republican who is sort of dodging the issue, who doesn't want to upset the DC balance, tell them that they're a coward and make them talk about it. And if you're on the democrat side, Democrats have to decide whether or not they want to be an ideological party. And personally, I think their strength is when they're more ideological, even if it's been Saturday, they have to decide if they want to be that, or they want to be corporate Democrats. And if they're, if they're ideological, go up to Biden at something, make a stink, do the kind of thing of Black Lives Matter stormed the stage of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 race? And say to him, why did this happen? Have your activists who have no real jobs, go up there and yell at him or yell at proxy of his make people have to participate? You don't have to Don't be violent towards him. Don't do any of that. But just make him have to answer questions that are not given to him by Gen Misaki. Because until you do that, you're not going to have any sort of concrete moving forward and don't fall for the trap. I like to call it the Trey Gowdy system who would just yell about things we'd love to have committee hearings, and nothing ever comes of it. If you're a conservative or libertarian, do not fall for that because Congress is not really going to investigate this because everybody is involved on some level in making sure the crisis netcast and happened the way it did, even if that was through not raising the alarm bell about what was happening in early August.

Brian  
JACK hunter you know, if he's listening to the show right now, all politics is is wrestling so yeah, that we all know, that's the reality but Magno and I just got to be real. I just get so fired up hearing you. Olivia. Rondo. Tamannaah demogorgon. Like all of you Jen's ears who have been on the program who are just fired up, and you got it like the attention that and not just attention, but the The very focus dedication that you have to getting this stuff taken care of. It gets me inspired because I unfortunately have a lot of my generation the millennials who become overtly apathetic to the system. They, you know, are just like, poor woe is me. And it's just so I mean, it truly is so disheartening, seeing so many of my generation being the the epitome of everybody gets a trophy, like, Yeah, but it seems that your generation and we talked about this last time you're on the show, there's a spark that you see the opportunity as the individual to pave your own destiny. I know, there comes I forget the psychologists who talked about this, but like, there's actually almost a danger to it of being like the the hero in your own movie, or whatever it is. But it's not that I don't think you guys are growing up in this world, where you're seeing that you don't have to go, you know, like the your parents did, where you go to the the job at the factory for 55 years. Is that a lot? That's a lot. 50 years, and you retire at the factory doing that one job for life? Yeah. And then you go home and die. That's life. And that had been life. But we're seeing your generation much more saying like, Hey, I can start a company online. As a college student. Yeah. And I can sell or do whatever, wherever, with whoever. And it's just, it is a, I think, partly the technological aspect of things. Because your generation is growing up with the tools at your disposal, the older generations, we didn't have that. And if we have them now, we're like, how does this work? And and we're learning along the way, whereas your generation just picks it up. And you go, yeah, so I think you're gonna have the tools to actually get a lot of the things we talked about in the action helped make you build the solutions to make the problems almost irrelevant, if that makes sense. But let's do this because I want to make sure that people can can not only get excited about the future, but get excited about you and learn about all the exciting things you're doing. Let's go ahead and point them towards number one, the crusade channel and number two magnonic they want to continue the conversation with you, we're gonna go ahead and do that.

Unknown Speaker  
Surely, you can go to the crusade channel.com, which is also the link in my Twitter bio, and you can follow me on Twitter, which is where I post most of my things. My show also airs there live on Thursday night at 9:30pm. Eastern so you can go to my Twitter, which is Magdalene rose, ma h gtaa, le n rose, and my link in my bio, you can find all the ways to contact me and I'm also on YouTube and Instagram and all those mediums.

Brian  
Fantastic. And how about this, folks, because I'm a generous host. I will include everything and Magdalen has gone ahead and listed off in our show notes. Go to your favorite podcast catcher we are listening to right now. Click The Brian Nichols Show artwork. It'll bring you right to our website page, where you will find not only today's episode with all the shownotes but also an entire transcription of everything we discussed today. Magdalen rose, it's always a pleasure. Thank you for joining us here on today's episode, The Brian Nichols Show.

Unknown Speaker  
Thank you so much for having me.

Brian  
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