353: Sunday Candidate Highlight Series: New Jersey Libertarian Gubernatorial Candidate Gregg Mele Returns!

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Gregg Mele  
Thanks, Brian. Glad to be here. And thanks for having me. Absolutely. Greg,

Brian  
thank you so much for returning to the program. Yes, you were one of our past Sunday candidate highlight series guests returning to the program. And folks, if you want to go ahead and learn all about Greg, check out our episode back in April of 2021, where you hear why Greg Not only is running for governor of New Jersey, but specifically as a libertarian, but today things are starting to heat up in the political world. And with that, Greg is obviously out talking to the voters right now Top of Mind issues. And wow, last time we didn't have a republican that was running, we only had the incumbent one governor Phil Murphy, but since then the their primaries have taken place. And we have now jack chinnor rally, he is the GOP nominee. So now you know, Greg, who you're going to be facing here, India, the elections in New Jersey, jack, Charlie, Republican Phil Murphy, Democrat. So Greg, how about this, let's do a quick reintroduction. Who are you versus those two, gentlemen? And number two, why do you think you have a chance as a libertarian to take on these these two traditional duopoly system party establishment figures?

Gregg Mele  
I'll take the second one first, just to say we always have the right the ability and the capacity to take on these folks. Especially I think more and more, we have a situation where in New Jersey, especially for governor, we've had both sides of the aisle in power over the last several decades, almost alternating. And the reason they're alternating is because every one of them is worse than the one before. So now we're having a problem of you know, how much worse can it be? Well, just keep watching. It's a train wreck that we have to stop. And so yes, I mean, sure the rally was going into the primary the favorite to win. And actually conservatives felt felt very abandoned by that because he is not conservative. So we have really kind of Murphy and Murphy light. That's one of the slogans we've been using this year. They're really the same thing. It's like the old sayings, you know, to two sides of the same coin. So there is a big gap where with Murphy's mandates, a lot of Democrats have become disaffected and disenchanted because it's really going too far. And it's really too dictatorial. And on the other side, almost all the conservatives have flocked to us over this year, when jack got nominated. They a bunch came to us when he picked his running mate who is more liberal than him. Even more came to us. And so we've been getting invited to a lot of events and been able to reach the people. And now it seems to me that when we have a conversation about what's really wrong, not what they'd like you to believe is wrong. People get engaged, they get hooked on the conversation and they really see where things need to be improved.

Brian  
Well and that right there. You're you hit the nail on the head, Greg because what what do you say you go out and you actually talk to the person and you figure out what it is that they actually need solved versus what they've been told they need solved, right. And that's, that's rearing its ugly head right now, especially post pandemic, which we are essentially in this kind of post pandemic world. I think now, I mean, goodness, folks, if you have the option to get either vaccinated or your booster, or stay locked down forever, put your mask on double mask, whatever you got to do, do what you got to do. But we are going towards this post pandemic world. And people are starting to see that. I think actually it was Gallup just had a poll come out, Greg, that it showed for the first time in I think it was over two years. Americans now flipped back the saying government's taking too much role and we need to revert that back to small businesses and individuals and get the government less out of our lives. That's a trend in the right direction. And if we can start to talk to more of those people who are at least empathetic to that, that discussion, I think we have a very strong argument to them to say, hey, not only are we now somebody you can start to consider as a real alternative. But now, we actually can help get the values you actually believe in, in debt to real policy. And we're seeing the real implications of getting the strong good policy into action in states like New Hampshire just had Carla Garrick on the show up from the Free State up there, specifically the Free State Project, and just talking about the amazing advances that New Hampshire is taken. And because they have embraced this going out and truly electing those who are in favor of actual liberty and grit, I don't know if I'm wrong here talking out of turn. But Greg is, is jack ceccarelli. Really, you know, a real conservative rock republican? No, he if anything, he'd be more of a what? progressive leaning republican? Is that fair to say?

Gregg Mele  
Absolutely. And, actually, we have a 32nd spot that's going to be airing on radio stations in the area here soon. And basically, we have a crony capitalist on the left with Murphy and a career politician on the right, which generally, I mean, he's been around for decades. And yet, nobody knew who he was right? And everybody says, Who is he right? And that's because he hasn't accomplished anything in all those years, he was one of several who just keep going, you know, for whatever, conserve their own interest instead of the interests of the people. So that's another reason why, you know, if we talk about like, you know, why, why, Now, why governor all this and like, what's the timing? Like, I think you hit it on the head before that, in terms of the wave of sentiment, leaning back towards small government, I think it's playing right into our wheelhouse and out of actually including a couple of other independent candidates, out of five candidates on the ballot. We're the only guts, small government option, everybody else's big government. And, like, we also like to say the leading cause of death over the course of human history has been big government. And we're the only alternative to that where we can really get back to what was intended when this country was established, with a plan that I mean, I've never seen a better plan than what the founding fathers envisioned, at least in, in theory.

Brian  
Well, talking about getting things back away from government, we've seen a big influx right now of parents standing up and saying, get government out of our kids education. And we've seen a big push from, especially the more school choice oriented folks like Cory B Angeles, fighting the good fight funding students, not systems. And right there, I think we're seeing a growing sentiment, especially since you were last in the program back in April of this this year. Greg, what's the conversations that you're having with parents right now? Are you seeing them starting to embrace the idea of maybe voting for a Libertarian candidate?

Gregg Mele  
Yeah, I think there's been a lot of I'll call call them converts that have come over to us. They've given a pope I mean, the best that should rally has talked about on that and has been more exemptions. We say no mandates to begin with. And, in fact, I've pledged to make that something illegal and banning it from the governor's power going forward, if I should be elected. Gotcha. Yes, I think that's the only solution. And among my roughly 100, campaign stops this year, I've been out a lot, many has been to Board of Education meetings all up and down the state. And it's all been the same thing. I mean, I've gotten up and spoken to the boards on behalf of the parents in the room, and, you know, we talk about that they, they should at least, you know, send something to Murphy's office to complain about, you know, the situation with the school masks, and that they should ask him to reconsider because of the negative health effects. And really, the benefits are minimal or non existent. And the parents, I mean, they tear up all the time when I when I go to those meetings, because it's one thing for an angry parent to yell and scream at the board. And by the way, that this whole thing about like, oh, they're getting, you know, out of control, that's nonsense. You know, they're, they are extremely professional and civil in their attitude, but they're just upset when they when they hear my speech. I mean, basically, those parents, they don't want to say no one's allowed to wear masks, because that would be a reverse mandate, right? Everybody should have their own choice. And that that's really central to our platform is that I mean, all the mask the vaccine that's defensive, it's not offensive protection. So you've been the science bears that out. So we really need to give each family the choices for their kids for all those things. And then on the school choice, I mean, that's just grown bigger and bigger because the more Murphy especially, you know, issues, the heavy handed, you know, mandates. And parents are pulling out kids out of school, there's a lot of them have already pulled the kids out of school. And school choice is a perfect option for them. Because we emphasize throughout the whole year, it's where the funding follows the student much like you mentioned earlier, so we have a situation where, excuse me, the, the schools in the public system need to have something to worry about in terms of their performance, and that is competitors, something that will push them to be better or fall behind. And if a school system just will not improve, because they're so used to not having any competition and they don't worry about it. Well, they're gonna find themselves out of business. And just like the private sector, I mean, that's how come the private sector works so much better than the than the government. And, and we have to put government not just in this area, actually in several areas, but this is a highlight this year, that's become magnified. They have to be in a competitive environment with level playing field and and earn their funding by outdoing the others.

Brian  
Greg, when you're talking to parents, what are their fears when they see where the current system has been going? Because I hear it I've had Cory on the show, I've had Tiffany justice, from moms for liberty in the show, Carrie McDonald from fi and I've heard you know, some of the stories they tell but you know, here in New Jersey, why are parents so afraid that if things don't change that it'll really negatively impact their kids? Well, there's

Gregg Mele  
two things, primarily. I mean, they, they worry in the immediate term about the negative health effects of the masks and the uncertainty of health effects from the vaccine at this point, it's still very early stages. That's something that's coming up soon, because they're just getting to the point of something for the younger children for the vaccines, but for the masks, keeping in all of that stuff that they're breathing out, and it's supposed to go away from them. Inside a mask, I mean, they're getting, they're getting respiratory infections, they're getting rashes from the masks, and the younger kids, especially I mean, they're, they're not going to be able to just properly wear the mask all day. I mean, if it's, you know, irritating, or whatever, it's going to be all over the place, it's not going to do any good, and it simply doesn't. So that's one issue where the parents are concerned in terms of, you know, you're hurting my child physically, right now, the other part is the mental emotional impacts of the masks, it's the compliance, it's the lack of, you know, individual rights, where a lot of parents are worried about that, too, that they're being conditioned the children to be willing to give up all those rights at the drop of a hat. And once they're gone, I mean, they're not going to come back. And that's the thing. I mean, the government, people now in power, who self serve, and they want they Oh, by the next generation, that they're not even aware that they even had any of these rights. And just being able to stand up and say that this is nonsense. I mean, the data, you know, our biostatistician on our staff is very well respected and published regularly. She's confirmed, yeah, I mean, reading all the CDC data, in fact, not, not any other massage source. But there, the data is clear that the masks are not doing anything, you know, to improve the situation. And, and with these negative effects, it's really a no brainer that it should be a voluntary requirement. Sorry. In other words, that's an oxymoron. But everybody should have the choice. I mean, if you do want to put your your kid in a mask, I mean, that's fine with us. But if the other parent or some other parents don't want that, that should be just fine. Because you know what? health wise, actually, they're going to be better off.

Brian  
So how, how can we now take this because parents are gonna hear this, I'm gonna say I like this, Greg. And I guess, you know, if I give you my vote, what would it look like? What will the administration do to help facilitate you, us the parents taking more of our kids education and their futures back into our hands versus the States? So

Gregg Mele  
first of all, we would Institute the idea of the school choice and make sure that there is funding following the student which will then enable the kinds of alternatives that we would want in competition. So some people right now we're doing the homeschool Well, they should get the funding for their supplies and the teachers and whatever. It's from the government funding that is generated from the tax. Access toward that, as opposed to the public school in the district that they're in. So once we redirect that, then things can be established and grow, sort of, you know, grassroots growth of other school alternatives. And also, by the way, I mean, we are talking about charters and private schools that are also in the area. I mean, if there's a private school where some of the funding, if it's equal among all the children, would enable some parents to bridge the gap with what they can afford, and put them into a school that they think is more competitive, it can be an existing school also. But also, we'll have a chance to have true competition in terms of lower barriers to entry. And having those new schools also prop up and also the shirts that crop up. And the teachers who will do the homeschooling in pods or whatever else are there, they're going to be also looking at eventually having a facility that's stronger for that. And then the question will be about the other extracurricular activities, those will have to develop over time as well. I mean, we're talking about generally a decentralization. And so there are pieces that will take more time in terms of getting them ironed out. I mean, I think, for example, school sports, you know, children who are excelling at that and want to continue. I mean, it's hard in a homeschool senate scenario, certainly where there's only a handful of students, unless we have either the existing school team still allow people from the district, even if they're not in that school, as a student. And we've seen that with some of the magnet schools, actually, they had, the students would go back to their school district to participate in the sports teams, from the public school at this point, at least. But as this changes over time, if we can start implementing this, as schools grow, they could have their own team. And now if they have the funding, then to be able to supply for example, you know, good coaches, all this other stuff, then more kids will be drawn to it to for that purpose. So all the things will take some time to fully change around to where the schools that aren't performing as they need to sort of are shaken out of the system, and new schools develop and become strong and notoriously good schools. But it's a question of redirecting the money first, as an implementation measure, and then enabling the rest of the changes to fall in line in an implementation phase.

Brian  
Speaking of big changes, I know one thing that we've seen here, just predominantly in the northeast, is people leaving in mass. And I would say especially, I almost said it predominantly because But no, especially because of how just insane the state and local governments have reacted in response to COVID-19. And I mean, heck, I'm here in Philly, we still see restrictions or regulations and mass we have, you know, are basically vaccine passport requirements now in order to go to different restaurants in downtown Philadelphia. So it's, it's happening here all over the Northeast, and people are starting to say, Well, you know, this is impacting my business. It's, it's, it's making customers go elsewhere that go outside of the Northeast, or they're just leaving altogether, and it's hurting these entire communities and their businesses, Greg, so what would that look like differently for a voter? If we were to have someone like a Greg Neely as governor of New Jersey versus the Republican or Democratic candidates?

Gregg Mele  
Well, I mean, I've said actually a couple of times along the way, this year, it seems to me that the vaccine status, that kind of thing, it's to the point, it needs to be a protected class under the civil rights act just like sex, religion, or race, all the all these things. It's gotten to that point, because of the pressure that the current government is trying to put on every one state and federal level. I mean, they're, they're really eliminating opportunities and other life options. That's incredibly discriminatory. So in one respect, it has to be addressed at that level to say that things like the vaccine passports I mean, that's that's just ridiculous. I mean, you might as well tattoo your wrists and go back to Germany, right? I mean, this is where we're headed in terms of the philosophy here, and this is terrible. You know, this is so proven throughout history without exception, that this is a bad idea. And just the idea of, you know, differentiating at that level on my personal choice and I've always said, you know, personal and medical decisions. between the individual and if it's medical decision and their doctor, and if it's a child, their parent, that's it, nobody else should be involved in that decision. So if we have something where, okay, you can't get a job in these 20 states because you're not vaccinated, for example, I mean, that would be ridiculous, that that it goes against the core of everything else that everyone has fought for, and all the other protected classes to be free from. And that's what we need to do with this, we need to make sure that every, everyone understands that this is where we're headed. And this is not a good thing. This is proven throughout history, and we can't go back like that.

Brian  
So we have about five minutes or so left in the show, Greg. And what I want to do for the tail end is to focus on the people you've been having a lot of success in connecting with, and thus far from what I've heard in our conversations have been small business owners, but also parents, and I would love to hear what you're finding is the best means to enter into those conversations, or are they the ones entering into the conversation with you asking, how can you help?

Gregg Mele  
Well, I mean, certainly we do a lot of outreach to try to connect with people. Some folks have been spreading the word and other groups have been asking us to get involved in coming to come to meetings, having conversations with people getting more background on what they're facing directly. I mean, for the small business. I mean, one thing, of course, that helps is unlike my two opponents, I have been a small business owner for now it's 19 years, and I'm feeling some of the same pain that they are. And now it's time to say, Well, you know, this is really the driver of the economy. And I mean, with with some economic background, I would tell you that. And this is the key area to support not to burden at every level, I mean, basically, all the taxes on the small business, to redistribute to the people who aren't working, basically pulls more people down and doesn't really lift anyone up, because the people who are given a fish every day, as soon as the fish runs out, they're not, they're not going to know what to do. And they haven't been taught how to fish. This is a basic principle behind our plans for small business and for workers looking to get back into the workforce. Everything should be about enabling people to be self sufficient. Well, you know, that's something that terrifies everyone in government now on both sides of the aisle otherwise. So that's one thing where, you know, I can, I can connect and sympathize with all of the small businesses that are struggling. And I mean, with Murphy's chain, you know, with Murphy's establishment, politics here, he has basically exponentially grown the wealth gap, he's eliminating the middle class, and now we've got the super wealthy, and then all the rest of us at the bottom of the pile. So we need to fight that back and say that we have to have a vibrant, middle class and small business community. And I, when I talk to folks that now they understand, and I understand the same language, with small business community, so we have to really push hard for that. Otherwise, as far as the parents, it's really just getting out there and seeing that someone is affected by what's happening to them. And it's not, not just them, they're not alone. I will tell you that many parents did feel alone. And then suddenly, you know, here's someone who is willing to stand up and I mean, I, I don't have small children, my two girls are on one year on either side of 30. And actually, I just became a grandpa earlier this year in June. So I do have something to worry about, I guess a few years from now in terms of schools, but in general, I think the main issue for the parents is we have these concerns and seems like they're being shut down and no one wants to hear it and then suddenly, they have someone at least who's standing up and speaking up for them. Because I also understand what it is to be a parent of small children and what it means to raise them a certain way and not to be psychologically in a mental prison of thinking that they don't have any freedom and they really have to comply with everything I mean, freedom of course is our watchword in our party so that's that's really what's important.

Brian  
In all things goes back to sales because what Greg you you can speak to people and show Yeah, I have walked in your shoes and and that is, at the end of the day, what people are looking for when they're looking to talk to somebody who can help them on the buying process is someone that they can relate to, they can look at and say not only do I know like and trust you, but I understand that you are being 1,000% authentically you in your understanding of my problem because Because you've likely experienced my problem and that's who people I think are looking for right now beyond just the traditional two party system and it's why it's so important for us to have candies like you standing up and yes, giving people a real choice, especially here in the state of New Jersey. There we go. Greg Amelie. That being said, Of course for our audio listener, we want them to be able to go ahead and follow you and learn more and of course continue the conversation where can they go ahead and do that?

Gregg Mele  
Well to contact us the best places the website WWW dot Amelie for governor calm and it's m e l e, f o r gov.com. You can submit to be on your email messages you can you can send a message to offered a volunteer. Of course you could donate if you have the means and you can find out answers to all your questions. We have our platform up on the site of course, but if you have a particular question, we will get back to you.

Brian  
Greg mealy as always thanks for joining the program. And folks, if you want to go ahead again and continue the conversation, I'll make it easy for you and click the artwork there in your podcast catcher. We'll bring you right to The Brian Nichols Show website where you can go ahead and find not only Greg's conversation today, but also all 370 plus episodes of The Brian Nichols Show, plus all audio transcriptions. With that being said Greg Meili, thanks for joining the program.

Gregg Mele  
Thanks so much, Brian, again is my pleasure. Who doesn't like

Brian  
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