701: Together We CAN - The Coalition Effect

Brian Nichols  0:00  
Building a free world by building coalitions. Let's talk about that. Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Well, hey there, folks, Brian Nichols, here on The Brian Nichols Show. And thank you for joining us on a horse. Another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host. Joining us live from our Stratus ip Studios here in lovely Eastern Indiana. Don't let cyber attacks or outdated Business Technology put your company at risk. Learn more at Brian Nichols show.com forward slash Stratus ip Well, let's talk about it folks. Can we in fact build a more free world by going ahead and building coalitions joining us the one and only Larry Sharpe from the great state of New York. Larry, welcome back to The Brian Nichols Show.

Larry Sharpe  0:53  
Thank you so much for having me. I am impressed. I'm here again. I love it. Thank you so much.

Brian Nichols  0:57  
Larry, thank you for joining us. Looking forward to our conversation today. And obviously, you're trying to bring some freedom back to my old home state of New York State, which it is a great state. There's a lot of beautiful areas up there. I'm from the St. Lawrence River Valley. You have the Adirondacks, you have the Catskills, you have the plateau you even there's I mean, Niagara Falls, right, one of the most beautiful places in the world, right there next to Buffalo, New York. So there are so many great things you can go ahead and enjoy in New York State. But sadly, the government in New York State, really difficult is in reverse. Say it's sad, Larry, so you're fighting the good fight, man, thank you for doing that. And you're doing so by building coalitions and helping hopefully restore some sense of normalcy and Liberty in New York. But first, we're putting the cart before the horse Larry, reintroduce yourself to The Brian Nichols Show audience for the folks who aren't familiar and also talk about what you're doing here in the world of building coalitions.

Larry Sharpe  1:48  
Well, first thing I want to say is St. Lawrence counties, a beautiful county and by the way, the largest by area in the entire state. We don't know that the largest

Brian Nichols  1:57  
and the third largest, the third largest county east of the Mississippi River. Oh, I did not know that. There you go. So that's the advantage of having a dad who was a legislator for 15 years in St. Louis County.

Larry Sharpe  2:05  
So there we go. I do. And even as if someone like me who's crossed the state five times already, that'll help. Yeah, that will definitely help. Do you happen to know what's the smallest county by the way, by my area?

Brian Nichols  2:17  
Goodness, it's gonna be something in New York City, right?

Larry Sharpe  2:19  
It's Manhattan. There you go. Literally, the smallest county by area now what's the smallest county by population? It's a Herkimer. No, close.

Brian Nichols  2:28  
Hamilton. Hamilton. Okay. Yeah. And there's gonna be one of those ones in the Adirondacks. Correct.

Larry Sharpe  2:33  
Only 4500 people in the entire county. Wow. Yes. And what's the largest county by the way?

Brian Nichols  2:39  
Geographic or population? Population? Gotta you know, in New York City, probably Manhattan again. Brooklyn, Brooklyn.

Larry Sharpe  2:46  
2.3 million. So that's the diversity of our state shoe point. 3,000,040 500.

Brian Nichols  2:52  
The context is just so ridiculous. It's a drop in the bucket and versus Oh, man.

Larry Sharpe  2:58  
So you know what, we need centralization to ensure that everyone is treated equally. What? Yes, that's what we have in New York State. I'm sorry, I'm yapping away. But I want to add a point. Yeah. My point was, the goal has got to be diversification, right within decentralization within the state itself. But also, there's a lot of people who would agree with that, right? The there are people in Brooklyn, who love Brooklyn, and you know this, you're a former New Yorker, you know that there are people in Brooklyn who literally say Brooklyn is a blood type. They love Brooklyn, they want to live there. They can't wait to live there. They want to be there. Good. That's awesome. I think that's amazing. And there's people in Herkimer county or Hamilton County who like I like living in the Adirondacks. I like to where I walk outside, and I can't see my neighbor like they, they like that. And that's also good. Right. So I think we want to make sure that we're able to have people who can agree to disagree, and agree that all they want to be is left alone. Right, left Brooklyn, Brooklyn, let Hamilton B Hamilton. I think that's the critical aspect. If we look at it that way, we can actually create coalition's to get certain things done. Now, the good thing about our current system is most people hate it. So I guess that's the good thing. The bad thing is it doesn't do anything for the people at all. It just keeps the elites in power. And they just keep us fighting over culture war, things are left right paradigms don't help anybody. Right. So if you're a Democrat, now, you vote Democrat, because you hate the Republican, not because the Democrats do anything for you. If you're Republican, you vote for the Republican because you hate the Democrat, not because Republicans do anything for you. We, on the other hand, can get together with people and actually get stuff done. Things like changing the system, rank choice voting, things like that. Things like better ballot access, ideas on you know, sane gun regulations in in the cities versus the rural areas. police reform that isn't universal that is based upon where the person is and the people are and how they want to be policed, not deciding that the entire state has to have the same type of police force, these types of things we can deal with ending them War on Drugs, right? Most people actually want that we can join hands on that kind of thing, right? supporting local people in local unions, local credit unions and local coops, supporting people and all those things. These are things that many people would agree. And the biggest part is you make them so that it simply allows the government to move out of the way and support everyone equally. So that if you don't want it, you don't have to. And my point I'll bring up now is, there are a lot of people who are fighting about unions. Now. I'm not against unions, I think unions are fine, you're gonna have unions. But there are two problems with it. One is the government is involved with unions. So it forces people to be part of a union, even though they shouldn't be even though the law says you don't have to be they basically make it so you have to put up a union. That's not a good thing. They also make it to where very often you can have multiple unions, and to a point where now the union is spending 90% of his time supporting 10% of its bad apples, instead of actually supporting the actual good people who are working in unions. Right. Most people would agree with what I just said. But so what will Republicans do? Nothing? Well, Democrats do nothing. I accept, but how do we make it to where people can unionize and or create coops? If the workers own the business? There is no need for a union. They own the business coops are actually better than unions, because the workers now own the business themselves. The left will talk all the time about the idea of we should have the workers should own the means production. Okay, let's allow them to we can't do that they're all united Kenya. You can't. You can't do that. They're all united Kenya, you can't. So let's allow them to have ownership in their own company. And the biggest problem is a cultural issue. You've brought this up before you've talked about how the culture of libertarianism is also is often not in American culture, right? The culture of American is, I have a problem called that a government that the government then forces it and fixes my problem. In theory, they don't actually. But what if instead, I'll give you an example, what I mean by what many people on the left and the right, both agree with this idea. And this idea that let's say the government owes you money, whether that's through a settlement, whether that's through unemployment insurance, whatever it is, the government owes you money. If you want to, if you get at least five people or more than one where we are at least five people together, the government will pay all that money up front, take all the money as long as you use it to start a co op. Now, not just that, if you allow for local county based credit unions, county based credit unions, right the state will support them as any other financial institution not special the same as any other financial institution supports massage currently in your state, we do not do that support as any other financial institution so that now local entrepreneurs get together and create credit unions. Now you say the state, if you get that get a business plan that's authorized by that credit union, that they are okay to back at the state will will match what the state owes you to double that. So now you get double the money goes towards your coop. The state doesn't lose any money seminars don't pay you anyway, just goes up from the credit union gets to decide if it can help or not giving more localized credit and when people are having credit like micro loans and such and everyone's moving forward. No one's paying extra money if you don't like coops don't start one. If you'd like coops Go ahead, but the glory of this is what happens if say there's a restaurant and the restaurant tour dies sales has to close up shop. Will all these people are gonna go unemployment. Right? Right. So instead of putting all unemployment have them buy the restaurant from the owner. Makes sense. So no wonder they still have their jobs. They own the restaurant. I'm not paying extra money. Life is good. And if you don't like coops don't start one.

Brian Nichols  8:44  
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Larry Sharpe  10:54  
Yes, but the worst part is, you know, I tease and say the Democrats are the party of bad ideas, and the Republicans are the party of no ideas. That's basically what we have right now. Republicans just yell about how the woke stirs are taking over the world or whatever they yell about, you know, d a patriot, you get their email from the Republicans, the Patriot stop the crazy woke people from killing America, give me $10 a day. And then the Democrats in the note, stop the evil fascist Republicans from taking over and killing women or whatever they say they're doing. It'd be $10 today, but no one's got an answer. Well, Democrats who have an answer, sorry to do more money, more debt, more money, more programs, so more government jobs, which the sad part is, if you're in trouble, and there are a lot of Americans who are in trouble, and someone puts their handout to pull you out of the water and you're drowning, you grab that hand, you don't care if that's the hand of a communist, if that's the hand of a capitalist, if that's the hand of a socialist, that's the head of the materion. You don't care. It's a hand pulling you out. The Democrats are very good at putting that handout. Sadly, it's always the head of socialism. But that hand is always out. Republicans go bootstraps and they go, I don't got any boots. So it doesn't really work. So America is shifting towards accepting what the left is saying more blue than not people, people online will tell you that's not true. It's 100%. True. You are seeing it everywhere to live because of urbanization. More and more people are moving that way. Think about it. The Republicans have not won a state like mine. They have not won an election in 22 years, no statewide election, statewide, and I've been locally publicans win, but not statewide, in 22 years. And sadly, a lot of people still look to the left, because the left does have answers. Clearly, I think bad ones, but answers the bootstrap stuff. People don't want to hear when they're in trouble.

Brian Nichols  12:47  
So you talk about building coalitions. And it's funny, because I hear this is kind of same church, different pew. Now hear me out folks with national divorce. And let me get there. If you were to draw a straight line in terms of where we're trying to end up, right, I hear we could build coalitions with people who traditionally would not be like likely bedfellows with libertarians, but because on particular issues, where we're trying to reduce the size, maybe not size, but at least the scope of the purview of government in certain areas. To help get this the, I guess, the force out of the way, right? And then once we kind of get to that point to then decentralized say, hey, comments, not what I'm doing now? No, but let me ask you, is that viable? Is that an option? No,

Larry Sharpe  13:39  
no, why not? No problem. It's not the vast majority of Americans love government. Love, love, love, love, love government, the vast majority of Americans it's not even close. When you go get in government and away they go then what they can't imagine a solution that is not government based. Think about this every single time is a problem. One of the first things the mainstream news says is we need federal legislation. That's one of the first things they say over anything for libertarians that think that Americans are like government. I don't know who you're talking to, I guess other libertarians. I live in New York City. Most people love government that can't get enough of it. They love it. So you're not going to get them to get rid of government. If you notice what I did what I just told you, I'm not trying to and it's gonna sound make some tears when it just vomit. But I'm tell your truth. I'm not trying to in my coalition building, to reduce government. That's not my that's not what I'm doing. That is my ultimate goal. Although it is one thing, trying to show people that there can be a solution without government. If I just get them there, then they'll begin to rediscover on their own. But they have to first accept in their hearts, in their brains in their guts, that I can solve a problem without government. Right now the vast bulk of Americans can't even imagine that it. So what about getting rid of government when people can't imagine? They are you here all time, let's give it tomorrow education, my kid will be stupid. They believe that they believe that if we get rid of the Federal Department of Education that their kids will be stupid, not realizing that we haven't had the patent application since, um, we have on just since 1980. I went to school before 1980. Somehow I learned how to read and write and function in society without a Federal Department of Education. So clearly, it can work. But this is it's they can't imagine a solution without government. That is my number one goal and coalition building, providing solutions that are not government.

Brian Nichols  15:35  
So let me ask you this, then, because on the show here, we talk a lot about setting narratives instead of responding to them. What if we have more success in instead of responding to the narrative of well, my kid's gonna be stupid. And just in the elephant in the room? Aren't they kind of stupid now test scores in Baltimore. I mean, I think the numbers were like 90 plus percent of the kids couldn't read above a second grade reading level. So we're seeing right now with the systems we have in place. It's not working. So at what point do we have to say, we have to address the status quo, the old way of doing things just doesn't work. And you have to change the context that we

Larry Sharpe  16:15  
but don't know what they always say. It's the same thing and you hear it constantly. Well, you know, more funding. That's the reason right and say, because more funding, so all they'll say is, oh, the government isn't working. What we need, Brian is more government. That's you see the trains? Right. I'll give you an example that with a train the train derailment, right, that happened in Ohio, right? Because Ohio, right. Yep. That happened. Yeah. That the train derailment, right. The first thing says, we need more rules, more regulations. And I say, Wait a minute. We had them. We had those regulations. And that's why crashed because we had regulations, it is regulated. Right? And whether you can blame Obama or Trump, you can blame both of them. It doesn't matter. Well, we'll just make better relations, which they will then get rid of, again, because it's based on government. Well, they spent all the money lobbying government. Yes. So how about we don't have government involved? They go wait a minute, that's that's the end of the world? No, no, no, here's what we do. We simply say, and it's a very simple rule, it's a simple law. If you're going to have a train and on track, if it crashes in any way, shape, or form, your insurance must pay for everything, period. Everything, your insurance must pay for everything there go but then I'll have high insurance premiums, not my problem, train people walk away. What will that do? Insurance companies will step in insurance companies love stepping in, that's one of the best things they do. They literally have actuaries who will figure all these things out, the act of insurance will say yes, I'm happy to ensure that it will cost you X dollars. So here's the issue. Now they'll have to pay extra money, they can't lobby, the insurance company for less money. Doesn't matter. They can't lobby the government involved. There's no lobbying, they must pay to be insured. What will that mean? Well, if they have an accident, their insurance rates will go up, or go up so high that they can no longer run their railroad station anymore. I mean, the railroad coming to mind, in which case, they will have to do good things, not just that the insurance company doesn't want to pay out, what will the insurance company do create standards, not regulations? What's the difference? Regulations get changed whenever lobbyists change them. But standards change when the industry changes? So the insurance company will say you must have three people on train or you must have this breaking someone's out otherwise, I'm gonna shoot your your premiums, the roof? How do we know this to be true? You see it without health insurance, health insurance and companies, what do they do, if you provide this for your people will lower your rates if you do this for you, people will lower your rates. If you do things that mean we have to pay less, we will lower your rates or it happens. So you can actually have insurance, take care of this and fix this problem. It will have another set of whistleblowers right now, if some already happened, if some worker comes up and goes, this is bad, it's not working. He goes to the government, the government goes whatever is not part of regulations have a nice day, then there's an accident and people die. But if he wants an insurance company surance committee would send their actuaries out and go, Oh, that guy's right. Let's change the standards. Because that guy was right. Let's fix it because I don't want to pay out. The insurance company can fix this. This is the critical piece again. And again, again, I show how we can do that. That allows us to actually have safety, support union workers, right want to support our union workers right now the workers gonna get killed in this train right now. Right? They can't get support support whistleblowers, which I support anyway. Right, and then protect people. So if they drop a bunch of you know, chemical weapons, basically on a town, the Insurance Committee has to pay out and support these people. Well, there's just one on one lesson, isn't it? And it's now going to make sure that it changes everything. We won't even have to worry about it. Because it shows up and say I can't afford to spend another $3 billion on this has what it cost me so guess what, we're changing everything. And they will change everything without us having to do a damn thing. And let me this is the key. You find solutions that that will help people we start doing this. And that adds free market. And there's no extra money on the government. In fact, that takes money out of lobbying.

Brian Nichols  20:09  
And let me give you my context to I maybe didn't explain it the way I had hoped, with regards to why I bridged the conversation of national divorce, because I hear at least because I've had a lot of fuel on my show, specifically, Daniel Miller from Texas, who, when we're talking about this, one of the main concerns they see is just the inability to make the decisions, right, because of the overreaching. You brought bureaucracies either from the federal government in that case, or you go to the state level, I mean, go to upstate New York, and Sandler's in St. Louis County, good luck trying to do something in opposed to the state. So I would say not to that point, though. Just really quick to, to that point, if we were able to get to a point where we've gotten a solution where, hey, if upstate New York wants to do their thing, and the socialists and communists want to go to New York City and do their thing, we can do that. How's that? Right? But then, of course, hey, for New York City stuff.

Larry Sharpe  21:09  
What, okay, two points, one that's not matching divorce. That's just having county integrity within a state, which is what I ran on. But I'm still part of the country. I'm not divorced from a country. I miss allowing, I literally would say, let counties be counties. I agree. We need to make it to where even our Senate's, and our assembly seats are all within counties. We don't do that either. Right. So there's no real reason to care about the county government that has no value in New York State, you are correct. We can change that that can be done by a governor. Right. That can be that just by Governor. So we can do that already. But I thought national divorce. Right, that's just having having more decentralized control. If we had more decentralized control, we will be happy. You know, New York State. A lot of people don't set New York. They hate New York City. Why should he runs everything? Well, yeah, but imagine if to your point. New York City had no control over you. You could do what you want. You would hate New York City. You'd love New York City go there watch Yankee game, you go to Broadway, you go visit Statue of Liberty and you go back to your home. You would love New York City. You only hate it because you'd like it runs everything. And the idea that upstate pays for New York City. That's a fantasy. New York City pays for Upstate, not even close. Not even close. The financial sector pays for so much of New York State's not even funny. I know Upstate has always say, well, we paying for you to say you're not York City's paying for New York State. That's just a fact. Sorry about that, guys, upstate.

Brian Nichols  22:28  
All right, Larry, we're going towards the tail end of the episode. I know we've had a lot here that we've dug through today. And obviously, this is stuff that everybody's talking about right now that conversation national divorce, coalition building, like how do we move forward? This is where the conversation is. So this is why we have to have these conversations so we can figure out what my brain

Larry Sharpe  22:45  
here being though is it is a cultural shift. Yes. I'm not against the idea of national divorce. I'm actually not against the idea of it. I'm saying our country is nowhere near that. We're just nowhere near this isn't about you. And I have but you go out in the street. They think what crazy, they think we're stupid. That isn't. It's nowhere near that.

Brian Nichols  23:04  
That what was the percent of the revolution who supported the revolution, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it's still fractions of people who are paying attention that make the change happen.

Larry Sharpe  23:15  
100%, but when but we're not empower those people were physically in power. The people in the revolution, were the governors of states. Yes, they were the they were the top lawyers, they were the people who would have been the Supreme Court, they were all in power, they had the powerful people had an incentive to disengage the power, people here have zero instead of disengage. The powerful people in our country today have exactly the opposite. And actually divorce will destroy them. They are making money and keeping their lives together. Because our country is fighting itself and doesn't realize how bad they are. They are winning in this situation. They have no desire to bring this country up at all, and will not push it in any way shape or form. So I've got to get people to believe it and then people empowered to believe it. They don't, which will make many of you upset. The country right now is not centered. Right? The country center left. The government is center, right? The country is central left. If you look at some of the people where they're going, what they're liking the growth of the the popularity of Medicare for All which I think it's a disaster, but it's more and more popular, right? Why? Because the system isn't working for the average person. The right has no answers. The left has bad answers. So they're going to the bad answers. It's shifting the country towards center left, that is happening now. Which is bad because a lot of countries staying hard right, with a center left country, this is not going to end well. So I would like us to have a coalition to where we start working together so that you can be as right or as left as you want to be. Just don't force your views on others. I think we can do that with the right message, the right messengers and a lot of tenacity.

Brian Nichols  24:59  
Amen. They're well, Larry, unfortunately, we are hard pressed for time, which means it's time for us to wrap up with our final thoughts. I will kick things off. And I think, you know, to your point, right, we have to build coalitions. I've been saying that for a long, long time, I guess my one point would be, I think we should spend more time building coalitions with people who are already kind of open to our ideas. I hear having conversations with socialists and communists and foreign party people, I hear that but in terms of the person who I think is going to be actually open to our ideas, in a more, less aggressive stance for trying to have to convince them from a pre, like a pre starting off point that is just completely antithetical to ours, I think we should have a much more focused approach. So I say, in an age of critique to you, Larry, this is more so to everybody across the board. Yeah, I think we all have to work smarter, not harder, right? We are already in third. Jose, we're in third place, we are in a very distant third. I use this analogy when I was speaking at the Libertarian Party of Indiana this past weekend, if you look at the two big sodas, right, Pepsi and Coke, we are RC Cola. And we have a very, very long way to go. So let's go to people who maybe already like the flavor of RC Cola or something like RC Cola versus trying to get people who like Sprite or who likes vodka or something like that. So that's my I don't know, I'm agreeing with you. Okay, cool. Thoughts, by the way, and what's yours? What I want

Larry Sharpe  26:19  
to bring up as I I'm agreeing, but we also have to have more than one way of doing that. Right? So I want people who can go right to those people who are independent voters, or who don't vote even better, right that disenchanted. But this is why you see me often hang with third party people, forward party, green people communist socialist, because they're disenchanted with the system. Many of them don't actually believe in the views of those things. They just gone to someplace different, and they're actually open to change. Am I going to change your hardcore communist by talking to hardcore commies? No, I'm not. But I'm not talking to that person. I'm talking to their audience. Their audience is looking for something else. And some of them are going to come off of that go, oh, communism is not the system, but I don't want communism I like barbershops better. So as I talk to these other groups, I'm pulling off some of the people who are still freaking out where to go. They just don't like the duopoly. They know the current system doesn't work. So I'm agreeing with you. I'm gonna say my tactic is to pull off the audience of the people who are looking, who think communism is the answer for a party, whatever, but a lot of people gonna come to me anyway. So that is my way of making it happen. I agree with you completely.

Brian Nichols  27:30  
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Larry Sharpe  27:49  
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Brian Nichols  28:02  
on, man. Well, I'm not

Larry Sharpe  28:03  
running right now.

Brian Nichols  28:04  
I know. But that was the old the

Larry Sharpe  28:06  
old goodie one. Okay, and I was running it was electable. Now I'm not running. It's entertaining

Brian Nichols  28:10  
now. You'll still be electable in my heart, Larry. Maybe for one day future. Okay, good. All right, folks. Well, that's all we have for you. And with that being said, if you guys want to get more Larry sharp and your life well, if you're joining us here on YouTube, the video should be popping up right about here. Go ahead, continue the conversation as I sat down with Larry last time, so we will see you over there. Otherwise, if you're joining us here, the podcast version of the show, and I know 99% of you are hit the podcast catch your artwork, he'll bring you the Brian Nichols show.com You can find today's episode, you can find almost all 700 Yeah, episodes of The Brian Nichols Show. Wow. And you can find the entire links and transcript for today's episode. Folks. Thank you for joining us. That being said Brian Nichols signing off. You're on The Brian Nichols Show for Larry sharp. E stands for entertaining. We'll see you next time.

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