728: Down the Rabbit Hole - A Journey into the Dark World of Conspiracy, Legend, and Lore

Brian Nichols  0:09  
The Illuminati Bohemian Grove Ancient Aliens. Is it all conspiracy? Or is it part of a lower Lodge? Let's talk about that. Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Well, hey there, folks, Brian was here on The Brian Nichols Show. And thank you for joining us on of course, another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host joining you live from our P NT Studios here in lovely, Eastern Indiana and today we are digging into all things conspiracy, legend and lore. Where is it? Let's introduce our guests returning to the show. Aidan mattes from the lower Lodge. Welcome back to The Brian Nichols Show. Hey, Brian, good to have you back on the show my friend. Now let's like go way back, right. 2018.

Aidan Mattis  1:04  
I think 2017 is when we first got in contact. Yeah. And you

Brian Nichols  1:09  
were part of triggered millennials. And you were on the show talking about gun control and standing up for a second amendment rights. And fast forward here we are 2023 You're doing your own thing. And it's part of this new grand conspiracy legend niche and you are absolutely crushing it over on your YouTube channel, the Laurel lodge so talk to us since you were last in the show what's been going on in the world of Aiden Mattis, leading up to where you are today, the lore Lodge.

Aidan Mattis  1:38  
Quite quite a weird series of events to be sure, because considering where I hadn't even thought about trigger millennials in such a long time, you know, to think that in 2018, I was giving speeches about how bad gun control is, you know, in front of a courthouse and and talk to guys like you about it. And now five years later, I'm doing videos on the Bohemian Grove and the Illuminati and like, it's not it's not the kind of thing where I can't see the connection. But if you had told me five years ago, where were we both be honest. It Oh, man. And you know, looking back and just were starting to work for you know, libertarian organizations back in 2017. Being mentioned by Richard Spencer, because I asked him a question about rock music, like, where I was back then and versus like right now.

Brian Nichols  2:27  
It's fun, right? And just I mean, going back to where you started to where you are today, right? I mean, it's incredible. I one of the things I love seeing in the greater liberty movement is just people having success, right, just being able to do their own thing kind of pave their own path. And, and frankly, rocket right, and you're not just rocking it, you're crushing it 200 plus k subscribers over on YouTube, your videos have gotten in some cases, millions of views. I mean, dude, that's absolutely incredible. And let's be real, right? You are able now with your audience, to reach far more people and talk about the stuff that we are passionate about, but you sell in kind of a covert creative way without them being bombarded with libertarian talking points and having books tossed at them. So I want if you could just kick things off, let's talk about talking about some of these more controversial subjects to your audience and being able to sprinkle in some some of your politics here and there. What's been the feedback. And I know, obviously, you're talking to folks about more conspiracy latest things, which for us in the greater liberty movement, we're like, oh, that's just the tip of the iceberg for us. So dig into that a little

Aidan Mattis  3:33  
bit, if you would, it's that has probably been one of my favorite things about the whole experience is that I can talk to people about the principles of liberty and individualism and freedom without making it a political argument that I'm making a political lecture, I can sit here and I can tell you the story about how Charles Manson was let loose by the prison system over and over again, given multiple suspended sentences, which is supposed to be that if you get if you get caught, then you've got to serve that sentence. And just allowed to run free, because the government was looking for unstable individuals that they could then experiment on, he was almost certainly part of MK Ultra. So Charles Manson is the fault of the government things like I, you know, I'm trying to think of another good example here. But the Bohemian Grove, obviously, they're not doing themselves any favors by meeting in the redwood forests for two weeks every year not letting anybody in and arresting people who tried to get too close. Now, are they sacrificing a child effigy to an ancient Canaanite Canaanite deity? No, they're sacrificing an adult effigy to figure of Apollo. But you see how these little threads run through. But when you expose people to this, and when you just honestly tell them what's going on. When you don't make it about politics or being conspiracy theory or anything, you just look at it and go, yeah, so this is kind of a weird thing that's happening and here's all of the facts about it. The thing is, very rarely can people come back to me and say, Hey, you got this aspect wrong, right? Are you exaggerated this or that's a logical leap? Because what I've done is I've now distilled everything to the actual facts and the fact that the truth is, the facts are kind of on the libertarian side, like, it's not good that there's a bunch of people secretly giving speeches about nuclear defense in Redwood Grove in California, it's not good that there's a bunch of people meeting at Davos every year to make plans about the world economy, and none of us are allowed in, you know, all of that is, is deeply unsettling. And if you just show it to people without the partisanship, they often see that it's deeply unsettling. And I've that's been awesome. That has been fantastic. And the responses I get are pretty consistently because most of my opinions are not Democrats, bad or Republicans bad. Most of what I say is big government bad part, I get a lot of people who agree with me,

Brian Nichols  5:47  
you're not going from like conspiracy theory, or listing all these different things. And then going into the Alex Jones, I'm not sure I don't record or double with water coming off her eyes. Like you're you're just presenting things in a factual manner and kind of doing the whole, like, let let the audience decide for themselves. And just based on how you present the information, it leads them towards a libertarian or a not trusting the government conclusion, which, I mean, hey, in the libertarian camp, we're like, yeah, that's the point.

Aidan Mattis  6:15  
Yep. I mean, I'm my my goal with the channel has never been to get anybody to vote a certain way. Or even to have a political impact, the primary purpose of the channel was entertaining information, like teach people about cool stuff, in a way, they'll enjoy the fact that I can do that, and at the same time, impart some of these principles. And then we also were able to start the weird Bible podcast, which for me, has been, you know, a huge, huge thing, because we now have an audience, I think our last episode went out earlier this month, and it's already sitting around 30,000 views, nice for a two and a half hour podcast, on YouTube. You know, we've been able to do that as well, which for me as a Christian has been huge, but the the way that all of this can kind of come together, when you go into it without necessarily leading with the political angle, has been really eye opening. And I think that there's a lot of people who, you know, as you say, with with your, your opinion that you know, you can use the strategies of sales and marketing to win in the liberty movement, I think the same can be said for entertainment. Yes,

Brian Nichols  7:13  
I'm so glad you went that route, right, because this is something we've been really focusing on here in in our conversations more recently than not, is being able to have an influence in this cultural world, and to be able to get people onto not necessarily our side, but at least us are having the dialogue to have the conversation. And just based on the nature of how polarized our politics have become more recently than not, it makes it more difficult to enter into those political conversations, because people instantly have the guards up, right. Whereas when you can start things off with, you know, hey, check out this conspiracy theory. And then as you're going through listing off the facts listing off the what actually is taking place what's happening, people are then able to feel a little more interested in put their guard down, right. And now it opens them up to a different conversation where we can maybe guide the conversation more towards a political lens. And that's opening the door for us to actually make some real influence versus just trying to be the kings and queens of being right, which I get exhausted with, you know, that's why we focus on not winning arguments, right? We're trying to change hearts and minds, through meeting people where they're at on those issues they care about. Now, with that being said, let's talk about some of the issues you're bringing up. And frankly, the audience is responding that they care about it as much as you do. What are some of the main things you talked about in the show, and maybe from a conspiracy standpoint, or legend and lore standpoint that the audience just ate

Aidan Mattis  8:37  
up? There's definitely a huge interest in what the government is hiding. And not necessarily not necessarily even the stuff you expect, like 911 Being a false flag or something like that. We're talking about stuff like the Adam and Eve story, which is by a guy named John Thomas. It's a document it's called a book, but it's really not that long. It's only like 55 pages came out in 1965. And was almost immediately as the tradition goes, almost immediately pulled from print, because like it to get an original copy of this you have to shell out like 12 1200 bucks on the low end. Now, the document itself is complete nonsense. Everything in it is complete BS. It is talking about how every 6000 or so years, the Earth's magnetic poles flip and this causes the layer beneath the crust to liquefy which allows the crust to slide over the mantle of the Earth and reposition itself and that's what causes these these cataclysms that show up in stories like Noah's Ark. Now that definitively does not happen. We know that now in 1965 it was more up in the air but now we're we know for a fact how magnetic pole shifts actually affect everything or at least we have well put together theories about it. But the CIA censored it. And the result of that was suddenly this went from being a document that probably would have just been, you know, a few conspiracy theorists read and nobody else ever again. Instead, once that was well known information around, I think 2013, it was released, it was a sanitized copy was released, and the sanitized copy appears to just be the complete copy. There's nothing really taken out of it from what I can tell, because there's a 1993 edition as well. And I read that thing all the way through. What the CIA did, by pulling this from the print was caused everybody to think that chant Thomas was actually on to something. Now, what was probably going on, is that Chad Thomas in 1966, took a job working for McDonnell Douglas for a project called boys in the back room, led by Robert Wood, Robert woods, sorry, that was an Air Force contracting gig. So what probably happened is Chad Thomas, who was an electrical engineer puts out this rambling, 55 page document claiming that every 6000 years, the Earth's crust basically fractures and all life on Earth resets to its most basic form of you know, whatever is currently on the planet. It goes from that, you know, that to hmm, maybe we shouldn't have this guy openly working for the government, if we're going to have this guy on the team, maybe this work shouldn't be out there. So nobody thinks that the Air Force is entertaining nonsense conspiracy theories. That's probably why the document was pulled. Because the 1993 edition was never censored. And it's identical. So everybody that everybody will say there's a 284 page original copy, there isn't. There's not a 284 page original copy. There never was. That's a number somebody pulled out of thin air. But people ate that one up, not because it was a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. It was because it was a conspiracy theory that only ever existed because the government decided to turn it into one. Yep. And so when you look at that people are like, maybe the CIA can't totally be trusted. Maybe they don't make the best decisions. And then we look at Bohemian Grove. And what do we get? Well, one of the guys who went there was a German, a West German Chancellor by the name of Helmut Schmidt. And when he went, he said that what he found was very interesting. He said that it was a sort of intellectual political class that had formed people who never actually run for office, I'm paraphrasing, but this is a near quote, he said, There is a class of intellectual politicians who never actually run for office, but work through corporations and the elected officials to whom they are connected, to keep a consistent governing system going. So basically, to keep a through line from elected politician to elected politician. There are people behind the scenes actually pulling the strings. And then there's the people who are basically actors in the public eye, the politicians, this is a West German Chancellor visiting the Bohemian Grove in the 1980s, saying this, he then goes on to say that there is a set of institutions where these people work when they're not in office. And then they go back when in office and do whatever those institutions want. And all of this is arranged at the Bohemian Grove, at least as far as the Republican side of things goes. Now, of course, an identical thing probably exists for the Democrats. You might call it Davos. But it's the point is, this is an observation from a foreigner who came in I wasn't sitting there saying, Well, in reality, guys, there's actually one group of shadowy people behind the scenes who are controlling everything. What I did what I said, Hey, this foreign guy came in here and said, It looks like there's a shadowy cabal of people running all the organizations and he had no stake in any of it. He didn't care. It wasn't his problem. So I can expose that information of somebody making that observation without it being political. I didn't say Republicans or Democrats are bad or good here. I didn't say all of this is bad vote libertarian. I said, this German guy said this was weird. And everyone else goes in the comments. That is kind of weird. It's all you have to do is is kind of present the conspiracy theory, trim off all of the fat, all the stuff that really is conjecture. And what's left is almost always still weird. Yep.

Brian Nichols  14:09  
Well, and this kind of goes to another German guy is the German Klaus Schwab. That was German or work for

Aidan Mattis  14:17  
he's either German or Swiss by nationality, but his dad was a contractor for the Nazi Party who worked in Switzerland, and was pretty high up and very well paid. He was a Nazi contractor because you want it to be a Nazi contractor.

Brian Nichols  14:31  
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Aidan Mattis  15:11  
Sure. So the World Economic Forum as, as it portrays itself is just a nonprofit, nonpartisan group of business leaders and politicians from around the planet who go in, they meet up once a year at Davos, and they discuss how to make life better for everybody. That, of course, is not at all what is going on there. They're not just explaining how to make life better for everybody. They're explaining how to make life the most efficient it can possibly be the most utilitarian that it can possibly be, while retaining their own status and privilege. This is why prostitution gigs skyrocket in Davos every year during this now consider that in the United States, and in many European countries, prostitution is completely illegal, except in Vegas, except in Nevada for some reason. However, all the global leaders who are keeping prostitution illegal, go to Davos every year and hire a bunch of prostitutes. If you can extrapolate that behavior to everything else they do, because what they do at Davos is they go and they say, how do we make rules for everybody else that we ourselves don't have to follow. And they have tight security, they do not let journalists in unless they are the approved establishment media. You've got guys like Jack sobic, who go there and get confronted by police. luchar kowski is one who went out there and gotten a lot of trouble all the time. So I think I don't know if Jones has ever been there. I don't pay. I haven't paid too much attention to Alex Jones, Luke Rakowski and Tim Poole have been more the guys that are more my age. Still 10 years older than me, but more people have been accustomed to. But so yeah, Dabo is every year, you basically get a bunch of people who get together and they come up with plans that will make your life worse, absolutely make your life worse, might make somebody else who's poorer than you someone else's life better at your expense, but never at their expense. It's never something that harms them. And I think the reason that they kind of shot to the forefront, was that when COVID happens, there had already been the whole great reset thing floating around for a little bit. They published a document calling COVID-19, the great reset, and basically admitted that this was a prime opportunity to then change the entire structure of Global Capitalism. Now, of course, when they say global capitalism, what they actually mean is fascism. But that's, that doesn't matter. I think it's stupid people call these guys communists, because they're not, they're clearly corporatists. You know, it's this is all about the union of corporation and government, it's fascism. But they're global fascists, essentially, they have dropped the nationalism aspect and made it about their status and their power. And they're not hiding it anymore. You look on their website, and it's, it's 2030, I owe nothing. And I'm happy COVID-19, the great reset 15 minutes, cities, all these different things that are basically how can we make your life as pocketed and centralized and controllable as possible? Without you immediately realizing that it sucks, like, because obviously, if they introduce, you know, social credit system, and if you travel outside of 15 minutes in your city, your bus fare jumps up by, you know, 50% or something like that. They can't just slap you with that. They've got to start by by sowing the seed. Okay, well, anybody who was questioning the vaccine is a bad person, they've got to be panda got to be fired. Now, I got two shots of it. I got the first two shots of the Pfizer vaccine. I wish I hadn't. But I did. Because I had traveled to Europe, and I didn't have a choice. After that, I started looking around going, everyone I know who got both of these shots is still getting COVID They're all still getting sick. It seems like the effectiveness has gone from being 96% to 90% 80 something percent to 72%. And now we all know that at no point did the COVID vaccine ever actually prevent transmission? And nobody can sue Pfizer for it? And who do you think put that system together? It was a bunch of people in Danfoss. Right?

Brian Nichols  19:05  
Oh, man. Um, so I mean, this paints a picture of it feels sometimes a little overwhelming, like, what can we do to control this? How can we your average person actually have an impact? And I guess, you know, based on us going through this conversation today, it's by talking about it right, like sunlight on this literally this issue. That's like the best thing we can do. Am I on the right path there? What's been your experience?

Aidan Mattis  19:28  
Yeah, in my experience, when it comes to this kind of thing, I have found that once people trust you, once they trust you as a source of information, they are far less likely to immediately have those walls go up when they hear something that they don't immediately agree with. So if I have somebody who follows me and they're, you know, they voted for, let's say, Clinton, they say they're my age, they voted for Clinton, and they voted for Biden, and they, you know, they're BLM, they think that Antifa is a movement, not natural organization, all of that. I have those people who watch my channel, who, who I don't, I don't dislike them as people, they don't dislike me as a person, we disagree on some political points. But because they trust me as a source of information, when I say something about the World Economic Forum, I've noticed that they're, they're more willing to entertain it, they're more willing to have a discussion, even though they might not agree with me in the end, but they're not going to immediately throw up the walls and get on the defensive and take political sides and get all tribal, if we talk to people. And if we actually create a culture where entertainment is not politics, we can have politics and entertainment. The problem has become that one side of the aisle contain it controls all of the entertainment. And they just keep shoving the exact same narrative down everyone's throat and if you agree with it, great. If not, you don't and and what we're seeing is Hollywood is stagnating. Yep, it's getting really bad. They're having to remake everything. Nobody really likes them. Basically, if you ask anyone what they think of California, they all agree it's a dumpster fire of a place even even though it has the sixth largest GDP in the world. It's still considered a dumpster fire in a failing state. Hollywood is stagnating, everyone's talking about a writer's strike. They're not writing anything good anyway, you know, cares. So and I've experienced this as a screenwriter, like I've written a few very new movies, like not stuff that's been tried and done over and over again, stuff that I showed to producers, stuff that I showed to managers who liked it, and could not sell it. Because Hollywood doesn't want to take a risk. So what's kind of happening? What I'm seeing is that a lot of people who are storytellers, who are creative types, who are entertainers are moving over to YouTube, realizing not only can they get have a lot more freedom, but also, they make a lot more money. Yep. So why not move over and do that? Why not set yourself up? And then when somebody does ask you your opinion on something, because you haven't made it something about your personality? When someone comes and says, Okay, well, what do you think about this? And you answer them, honestly, they take you at your word. And they think about what you said, not just what they were told to think about people who think what you do

Brian Nichols  22:08  
when you talk about the entities behind the scenes kind of controlling, specifically in Hollywood, right, like being able to control what the narratives that they see being promoted are. I mean, one thing that we talked about before we hit record was Graham Hancock and the agent Apocalypse stories, right? Talk to us about how they have gone out of their way to try and destroy this man, despite him just having a conversation about the ancient apocalypse.

Aidan Mattis  22:33  
Yep. So Graham Hancock to give everybody the CliffsNotes. Here, he started writing about the ancient world and lost civilizations and all that. In 1994, he published a book called Fingerprints of the Gods, which kind of argued that there had been and here's the interesting thing about this, it actually goes back to all the chan Thomas stuff, and Charles Hapgood and all that, at this time, in the early 90s. He believed in Krusell Displacement Theory, which was that idea that the Earth's polar polar fields can weaken, and that will allow the man the crust to slip on the mantle, rearranging the continents and all of that, he no longer believes that, because in 2007, it was proven that there was an impact in around 12,800 years ago, that caused the entire planet to go into a deep freeze. So he'd been getting warmer, we were coming out of the Ice Age, comment or asteroid impact, I think it was a comment basically plunged us deeper into the ice age. And then that was met with a pretty sudden reversal, where it got very warm very fast. And we got 130 meters of sea level rise in a couple 1000 years. And during the melt during that water, pulse one D, which is probably the great flood of mythology, we had a sea level rise of I want to say 60 some meters in 1000 years, but 25 of those meters occurred in just a century, which is about 25 centimeters per year, which would be catastrophic. We wouldn't recognize that unnecessarily. But when you think about what you hear in the story of Noah's Ark, 40 days and 40 nights, and you look at 25 centimeters per year, right, when you get that story, you know, 8000 years later, maybe it's become, you know, symbolism, and everything has been worked in 40 days and 40 Nights is probably that first little period where there was 25 meters of sea level rise in a very short period of time, perhaps even there were in fact, 40 days and 40 nights where it really did just hit where there were tidal waves and things. But we don't know for certain what this looked like we just know that it happened. So Graham has presented that now, and that there was a civilization during the ice age that was wiped out by one of these two events. I think that it was probably the latter event. That's that's the flood. But you believe that it was wiped out by one of those two events. And in the 1994 version, he cites a couple of people who are then citing Spanish explorers from the 16th century, who say that the gods of the Native Americans, the Mesoamericans, and the Inca, and all of these people are depicted as what now what's It's really sad is that one of them, there are Cocha looks like St. Thomas. Now, maybe somebody was making a mistake here and thinking that they meant St. Thomas Aquinas, it seems more likely that they meant St. Thomas the Apostle, who would have been darker skinned Jewish, all of that he was a he was a Judea and Jew. So they may have meant that but in any case, the idea that these people were white came from those scholars. It wasn't Graham's personal opinion. And over time, he has left that part behind. I don't know that I've ever heard him directly address why, but it seems like he left it behind because he's realized, okay, that's probably incorrect. This is stuff that was said before we had actually translated Mayan, into something readable. So as we've learned more, his opinions have changed, which is how you're supposed to do history and science and all of these things. When he came up with ancient apocalypse, which was basically a distillation of everything he'd said on the Joe Rogan podcast over the course of 10 years. The immediate reaction from the archaeological community was not here's everything Graham says, and here's why he's wrong. Now, there's a guy who I am friends with many Minuteman. His name is Milo Rossi. He's also a YouTuber he has completely he's done like eight episodes on why Graham Hancock is full of shit on YouTube. He even came on my show and we had a discussion about Graham Hancock's theories, and where we agree and disagree. That's two YouTubers with bachelor's degrees. The PhD archaeologists wrote to salon and we're like this guy is a white supremacist, don't listen to anything. He says. Why is he a white supremacist? Oh, well, you know, back in 1994, his book included the suggestion that these gods, these ancient people from the ancient civilization may have been white. And I'm like, and that is your white supremacy. No, it's not white supremacy, you're trying to grab the first thing you can find to discredit somebody so that you don't have to address his newer work, which actually does make some points you can't refute. And so that's where things have been edited out because they want to attack 1994 Graham Hancock, it's really hard to attack post 2007 Graham Hancock, because of post 2007. He's got a lot more science backing him up. Back then, maybe not. And that's why the second edition of Fingerprints of the Gods that came out in the 2000s is different. I agree with the guy, but I think he's wrong on a few major points, but I'm not going to call him a racist.

Brian Nichols  27:29  
Right. I have a few follow up questions, not so much the Graham Hancock but something that we've heard throughout the episode. I know we're getting hard pressed for time here. So I know you're fine. One of the things that you brought up and I just want to hear kind of your your perspective now that you've you've been spending more time in this world and bridging both the world of Christianity, the Bible and what you know, the conspiracy theories that the ancient Apocalypse stories. Do you notice that there's there's a lot of similarities or correlations that you may think they're parallel to each other. But they're they're maybe not saying the same thing, but writing something like that?

Aidan Mattis  28:03  
Yeah, it's in my opinion, it is unequivocal that there was some event back in time that we all experienced worldwide, probably probably, like I said meltwater post one being 11,600 years ago, I There is simply no way that all of these stories have the similarities they do. Without that occurring. There's this the constant argument I've heard, excuse me, is that archaeologists have said, you know, what, an anthropologist. People live by rivers, rivers flood, that's why we have flood stories. In fact, there's a there's a floodplain, that's I think, about 400 miles by 100 miles in, in Mesopotamia. And a lot of people said, Oh, well, this is the flood from Gilgamesh. This is Initiative's flood. Well, that doesn't explain why the Jews have one that doesn't explain why the Greeks have one that doesn't explain why the Norse have one doesn't explain why the Mesoamericans have won, why the Native Americans have won why the South Americans have won why the Polynesians have won. What does explain that is a period of very rapid sea level rise 11,600 years ago, which gives us just enough time for that to develop into the story that it became right. It makes no sense that the ancients and Aryans would describe what was very obviously to them a localized flood as a global one. That makes no sense. They had writing 4000 years ago, I think they actually had writing 6000 years ago and that we had the first literature 4000 years ago. You start to see these different stories also pop up and a lot of people have suggested, well, maybe it's all because of Hellenism. Maybe it's the fact that Babylon the the Jews went to Egypt and they picked up some Egyptian mythology. And then they went back to Canaan and got conquered by the Assyrians and the Babylonians and then went Babylon and picked up some Babylonian mythology that the Persians conquered at that picked up some Persian mythology and the help the Greeks conquered and they got some Hellenistic mythology. But what we're finding is evidence further and further back, that the Jews believed what they believed. Before they got, at the very least when they left Egypt. There was a lead tablet found last year on mount it all in Israel, which in the Bible, I think it's the book of Joshua Joshua is told to put a curse on now of all and appears he quite physically put a curse on now of all we found a little LED tablet it says you are cursed by Yahweh Yahweh curse you we have found where it came from. It is led from Greece, which means it was not local. It was important it was part of the Bronze Age trade. We also know that it cannot be a forgery. Because of the characteristics of the metal and the weathering, it can't have been put there recently, it must be old. And there's such a low likelihood that anybody prior to knowing where the lead should have come from, went all the way to Greece to get the lead, forge this and then managed to fold and seal it just to throw it into a rubble pile, hoping somebody might find it. And what we're finding is further and further back in time, more and more of these stories that truly do not seem to have developed via syncretism via exchange but rather independently in different locations. The flood is obviously the biggest one probably the next one would be the, the the watchers and the Neff Aleem of Genesis six. Of course, I'm Christian, I grew up Christian, I'm coming from a Christian background, but you can see these kinds of things. For example, the the the account in Enoch, which is apocryphal, but it expands on the account in Genesis, and it says that the watchers came down. They were appointed by God to watch over humanity. They came down they made a pact on Mount Hermon. And then they took human wives and they presented themselves as gods and their children were giants who reigned as great, these great kings and we're in great kings is actually a nice way to put it in some cases and Enoch specifically they fornicate with animals, and they're cannibals and all these ridiculous things. Enoch, the earliest we think it could have been was around 300. It probably comes from an older oral tradition that was eventually written down but it's less reliable than the rest of the stories in the Bible. That's why it's possible. So Enoch says that well, what does that sound like to you? Because that's, that's then you get these demigods and these godlike figures on Earth as well as these, these super powerful divine beings. Well, the solution to that is that God floods the entire planet and kills almost all life on Earth. We also see that with the yoke, Gnar and the icier in Norse mythology with Ragnarok, which starts with a fire encompassing the planet, and then it being washed away by a great flood. Well, what does an asteroid impacts that hits Greenland look like fire that covers the entire northern world, followed by a great flood. And then if you look down to the Mesoamericans, what do they have? Well, the Aztecs had a story about giants who escaped a great flood by going in hiding in the caves, and then coming out and teaching early man how to survive. There's all these stories from all over the place that say essentially, not quite the exact same thing. But similar enough, and we get stories about giants and demigods and Gods ruling over us. And a lot of the time these are one of these gods does the wrong thing with humans. And then there's a flood, mankind becomes wicked, mankind becomes slothful and, and violent and gets wiped out because they did the wrong thing. It appears over and over and over again in communities and cultures that had no contact with each other when these stories developed. The Norse story of Ragnarok Absolutely, was not known to the people of Mesopotamia absolutely was not known to the people of Mesoamerica. So the fact that they've got similar stories, suggests something actually happened. Especially given the scale, everybody wants to reduce it to just a flood. These stories are not just a flood, they are never just a flood. It is always so much more than that.

Brian Nichols  33:59  
Aiden, we're getting hard pressed for time here. So I want to so usually what we do is we do a final thought segment where I'll give my commentary, then I'll ask you to give a commentary, but I thought it'd be more fun. If you could give me your favorite conspiracy theory. And give me the most bullshit conspiracy theory that you know of.

Aidan Mattis  34:19  
Most, most bullshit is definitely crustal displacement that is, by far, by far the worst one I've ever seen. It's one that every single point of it can actually be accounted for with modern science. There is absolutely nothing about it that is correct. Even even down to the stuff that is that they do suggest is correct, like, micro novas, that spew you know, coronal matter towards earth and screw with a magnetic field or something like that, that if one of those hit us, during they suggest that if one of those hit us, while the earth was going through one of these pole shifts, it would cause a whole bunch of problems. But what it would really cause is basically you know, you and I live have around you like the Mid Atlantic latitude. If we would be able to see the Northern Lights, that's about what would happen, it would probably mess with our cellphone connections, internet would get a little wonky, we might have some blackouts, but it's not going to cause the Earth's crust to go whoosh. It's not going to do that. We know that for a fact. And if you even think about the possibility of that happening, half of the stuff they talk about is like, well, a 35,000 year old mammoth seems to have been suddenly shoved off a cliff, implying a massive gust of wind or something. It's like, Well, if that happened 35,000 years ago, shouldn't all the Mantis be dead? Right? Shouldn't they have not been around 11,000 years ago? Shouldn't they have not survived until 4000 years ago on an island in Alaska, like, this makes no sense. Also, you know, if you go back and you say the last time this happened was 11,600 years ago, you can make an argument at least, you cannot say the last one was 6500 years ago, like they do that just you cannot do that it makes no sense. It's impossible. We have physical structures that were built before that that are here. The one that I would say is my favorite, on the other hand, is probably probably the idea that the Illuminati managed to reform after being disbanded and exiled in 17, I want to say 87. And were responsible for the French Revolution, and then infiltrated and basically took over French Freemasonry. That's one of the ones that I find to be the most interesting, because it's the most plausible, and it would have far reaching consequences for the world as a whole. Now, I'm full disclosure, I am a Freemason full disclosure. We don't like them. We don't like the Illuminati, we kind of look at the friendship, Freemasons, and we're like, you guys don't have to believe in God, you let women in. Like there's there's nothing about you. That's Masonic aside from the rituals like you guys, you guys don't do the same stuff as us at all. And when you look at the things about the French Freemasonry, that don't quite fit with other Freemasonry, and you look back at how the Illuminati marketed themselves, it kind of it kind of works. But this would be such a small group of people with such a low profile, that proving that happened is essentially impossible, you would have to find, like personal notes, right? Written between individuals planning these things in coordinating these things. But if it were to have happened, then you see something very interesting, which is a sort of this continuation of the Illuminati that may have existed in France, and then over in the United States, and in England, you have the classical liberal Freemasonry, and you can kind of see looking at the way that French democracy developed and how different it was from English and American Freebase are free that not free from democracy. You can kind of see how that that kind of matches up and when you look at what the Illuminati stood for abolition of religion, abolition of government, look at France. Does France seem like it's the most Catholic place on earth anymore?

Brian Nichols  38:05  
Not really.

Aidan Mattis  38:06  
They're still they're still Catholic. But this is a country where people are where it's expected, that upperclassmen will have mistresses. It's not the place that it should have been if it had the heavy Freemasonry influence that early American early England had.

Brian Nichols  38:25  
Well, I think we gotta put a bow here on this episode eight, we could keep going on. I love this stuff. But folks, if you're

Aidan Mattis  38:33  
an hour and a half every weeks,

Brian Nichols  38:34  
I was gonna say like, if you're on the edge of your seat, you're like, I need to know more. I want more of the conspiracy theories. Well, I'm gonna do you a favor, head to your show notes. Click the link, it'll bring you to the Laurel Lodge, you can dig into like how many episodes you have now. Aiden.

Aidan Mattis  38:48  
Oh, God, I think this weekend is our 93rd or 94th episode of The Laurel lodge official podcast. And we've got almost as many sit down recorded, you know me in front of a camera, edited episodes. And then we also i Twitch stream three nights a week with Friday being conspiracy night. So it's Friday nights,

Brian Nichols  39:07  
oodles of content, you can go through and dig through folks, and you work hard. I guess that you're working hard. And what you're doing man is you're helping people see things. And once they see it, they can't unsee it. We talked about that in sales. You're doing it in the world of not just lore and conspiracy theories, but you're planting the seeds there for the political end as well. We're just we're gonna tell them and save that for later. It's fine not to know about that right now. But do what you're doing is great stuff. I cannot endorse the Laurel lodge enough into my audience. Please go ahead. Give Aiden some love. Follow him there over on YouTube. And please do me a favor. If you do go ahead and subscribe to the Laurel Lodge. Reach out to Aiden and let them know you heard them here on The Brian Nichols Show. Yes, that would be that'd be great. But

Aidan Mattis  39:49  
other than that comment let me know where you came from.

Brian Nichols  39:51  
Yeah, that to do us a favor. where can folks go ahead and follow you on social media they want continue the conversation?

Aidan Mattis  39:55  
Yeah, so the easiest way to find me is the lore lodge that's on YouTube. That is is it's a verified profile 210,000 subscribers as of today, that's, that's the easy one. That's where the most of my content is. But you can also find me under the Laurel lodge on Instagram and Tiktok, or the eight and Mattis on Instagram and Tiktok as well. And that's that's basically everywhere that I am right now. And,

Brian Nichols  40:19  
but All right, perfect. My man will include all those links, by the way in the show notes where everybody can go ahead, find them right there on their podcast catcher or wherever you consume today's of today's podcast.

Aidan Mattis  40:29  
We really quick, do you have the podcast on audio? So you can get it on Spotify, Apple, and Google all of that.

Brian Nichols  40:35  
So now you've got something to listen to. And you got some windshield time drive into the office,

Aidan Mattis  40:39  
you got about? What's that? 160 hours worth of content or something? That'll 180 hours?

Brian Nichols  40:47  
That'll do it? Well, we got 725 26 episodes here in The Brian Nichols Show. So here's you can do folks. Go ahead in between episodes, The Brian Nichols Show, make sure you toss in some Laurel Lodge and you get your daily feel of politics and conspiracy and lore. Why not? I mean, this is this is where the world's headed right? We got to talk about what's actually happening and know where we came from. So with that being said, Aidan, I have a feeling we're going to have you back on very, very soon to continue these fun conversations. And with that being said, Folks, if you got some value from today's episode, go ahead and give it a share. When you do please tag Yours truly, at Bing nickels, liberty, Twitter, Facebook. And also if you're joining us here on YouTube, hit that subscribe button and little notification bell so you'll miss a single time we go live and also you can find us over on sovereign and on rumble, just in case we ever get new Kia on the YouTubes but with that being said Aiden manis. It's been a great conversation and folks, thank you for joining us on today's episode. That being said, Brian, on signing off, you're on The Brian Nichols Show for eight and Madison the Laurel Lodge. We'll see you later.

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