737: The War Between Donald Trump & the Deep State

Brian Nichols  
It's the deep state versus Donald Trump. But could 2024 change that tune going forward? We'll talk about that. Instead of focusing on winning arguments. We're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Wednesday, they're trying to do an on The Brian Nichols Show. And thank you for joining us for another fun filled episode. I am as always, you're joining us from our B and studios here in lovely Liana and today, returning to talk about the war between Donald Trump and the deep state, the one the only Kenny Cody, welcome back to The Brian Nichols Show.

Speaker 2  
I'll be back, Brian, looking forward to talking to you, brother. Absolutely. Kenny,

Brian Nichols  
let's dig into things today. I guess all things Deep State Donald Trump versus the deep state and right now we are seeing truly the deep state on full display Donald Trump indicted. And right now it's for this whole records keeping fiasco did he did he not go ahead and actually declassify said documents. That's not really the conversation though. Today, we are focusing on how we got here to the point where really you have one side of government being weaponized against a political opponent. This is as we mentioned last time, Kenny, almost Banana Republic stuff and it's actually going to hurt the way that Americans perceive our so called legitimate democracy. So let's do things here. First, can you just read a new article over at Newsmax give us a little context in terms of this deep state war versus Donald Trump and what you think the impact will be here going to 2024?

Kenny Cody  
Well, first point, Brian is the American people are not stupid. I mean, we're seeing all these indictments, these cases being levied at Donald Trump in the pattern, right like the New York and damaged a few months ago, the indictment right now the potential Jordan and document in the election interference him Colin Raffin Barger, and saying that you didn't need to find me votes. And you were thinking about that being an actual case. You know, I mean, I think the American people can tell there's a pattern here, right? Like, it's been, what, three years, or I guess, less January 2018, January 20 2021, the time that Donald Trump was president, and he did all these things in that little time span, and people were telling the American people that's just now all these indictments are coming down right before the 24 election. I don't think the American people were stupid. So, you know, I think, you know, just the other day, Trump, you know, put on foot true social that the New York indominus is actually going to be tossed. He said, There's not gonna be any charges filed. So and I think a lot of legal experts and even conservative pundits that hardly know anything about the law, like, like me, kind of looked at the case itself and said, that's, that's pretty weak, don't believe it's gonna that's going to attach itself on for a potential indictment and imprisonment, jail sentence, whatever you want to call it. But I think that you've seen the reason that Trump was getting all these indictments in a row was because of his rhetoric, you know, and Republican rhetoric on the fed on federal representation itself on the federal government. You know, just back in, I think it was January 10 of 2023. The House voted to make a United States House Judiciary select Subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. So these Republicans that are currently in the house, the senators that are currently in the Senate, and those across the country, conservatives across the country are finally coming awake to how the deep state, the FBI, the CIA, the IRS, and the other different departments in the federal government, are weaponized to get conservatives. And I think this example of a banana republic lock attack of a political opponent by the DOJ by President Biden is really starting to subvert itself into the American public, like people are really starting to wake up and realize how this can be if this can be utilized against a foreign president. It can be easily utilized against them as well.

Brian Nichols  
Yeah, I had Thomas Massie on the show a couple of years ago, and the episode was titled, The deep state is real. That's exactly what Thomas Massie dug into. And you know, of course, you have the detractors, you're like, Okay, you know, the deep state shadow government. And it's like, no, no, stop. It's not we're saying that there's some, like hidden behind the scenes government, but rather is the entrenched federal bureaucracies that have built themselves up to be almost like unilateral decision making bodies in our government that are really what do they respond to the President and they serve at the behest of the President, but even then, those entities have gone out of their way to subvert With the requests of the President when you're talking about Donald Trump back in 2016, and 2020, to the point where he had people in his administration and in these bureaucracies, just openly flaunting, that they're ignoring the requests of the Trump White House. And right there that is indicative of what the deep state is counter that with the way that the deep state apparatus has responded to a Joe Biden presidency. And not only that, but how they respond to almost the exact same situations when presented themselves like Joe Biden having documents in his garage next to his Corvette or the former vice president. I mean, even Mike Pence, right, having some of his documents, it's all focused the intention on Donald Trump and it rarely goes to the other side. Now, obviously, Mike Pence is Republican conservative, but Mike Pence is much more I'd say in the you know, you do things in a certain way, the systems kind of approach whereas Trump is born a china shop, he goes in and he sees something he thinks is wrong, he'll let you know about it. And I think they view Trump obviously as more of a threat than someone like Mike Pence. So it is obvious I think, right now to your average american Kenny, and you hit the nail on the head talking about how this can impact your average person, but your average person I just I don't know. Can you do they they see the severity to which this could be used against them? Or do folks just think that's not me? I'm not involved in politics. This is this is going to be something that impacts the people who are politically active, like, you know, the Donald Trump's the world, not that little old me.

Kenny Cody  
I mean, I think that's pretty, that probably can be disproven because of let's just say that Julian Assange and we're stone tops that have exposed the corrupt corruption of the federal government with the NSA to the DOJ, the FBI, whatever you want to talk about. I mean, you're seeing conservatives like Matt gates, Lauren Bovard, Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Donald Trump himself, saying that he would be open to pardoning Julian Assange, even like David Ramaswamy, who's a prisoner to a Republican candidate that wants to set he would absolutely no hidden with having to think about snow a little bit more. He would absolutely pardon Julian Assange. You know, I think these exposures of the deep state itself, I think the committee being formed by House Republicans, when they got the majority, let's just let's look at that period. Right. I mean, we've talked about for years, about like the, the military industrial complex, the deep state and surveillance state. I mean, you see all these, all these Democrats who you saw more Democrats back in 2012 2013, come out for the support of Edward Snowden when he exposed war crimes like when he was forced, I suppose these documents like people like Chelsea Manning government are also brought these people who are demonized for a reason that is against government, like they're demonized for being small people fighting against an unjust large government exposing secrets, right. I mean, we are seeing a shift in the Republican Party, we're seeing a shift in the conservative movement, that for font and finally, we are not trusting the government, we are not trusting these departments. I think so many Republicans back in the day. I mean, John F. Kennedy was probably the first anti CIA president, he was a Democrat, even see, like Ronald Reagan and others kind of embrace like the FBI and the CIA or the integrity of the United States government like they are the are the arbiters of integrity, they are the arbiters of what it's like to have a functional government. But now we have come all the way to the point of the very moment, the House Republicans got control, again, the first time since 2016. That the day literally FOB sorry for about four days after Congress got sworn in January 6, January 10, they passed a bill pretty much establishing this committee that actually investigates the weaponization of the federal government. If you would have told me 10 years ago that Republicans wanted to look into the DOJ into the FBI, in the CI, ATF NSA, I would have never believed you. But now we have come so far, because of people like Trump, because these examples being made to the American people and to Republicans themselves, you're finally seeing something being done. I've told I've talked about before, Brian, when Republicans get power, almost something done. And I'll admit, I've actually overlooked this, I actually forgot this happen. And I finally wouldn't follow the account on Twitter, of things actually being updated in these committee hearings being sought. I wanted to go on there and see Republicans are actually doing about it, Jim Jordan is doing something about people on this committee are doing something about exposing the secrets of the deep state and exposes the secrets of the establishment to the American public. And I don't think this would be the same if it were not for the public prosecution of Donald Trump, by the establishment and by the federal government. I'm glad it's coming to the forefront because it needs to be on the forefront.

Brian Nichols  
Yeah, Republicans. I mean, goodness, I remember having conversations Sorry, Dad, where my dad, he's, you know, GOP rah, rah for a number of years and still is he's, you know, very involved in GOP politics still, but you know, even folks like him, you know, you don't really question the good guys in the CIA, the good guys in the FBI, and now to see the attorney even in heaven, like Yeah, You're I'm glad you're starting to see what US libertarians have been saying for a long, long time. And I guess right there, Kenny, I get a little nervous. Is it too late? Right? Are we at a point now where it's already that the proverbial Boulder has been pushed over the cliff? And it's, it's, you know, already almost at the end of the bottom of the mountain, like, do we actually have a fighting chance of standing up against what is more or less a weaponized deep state apparatus against the sitting president in Joe Biden and his political party's political rivals?

Kenny Cody  
I think we do have a chance. I really do. I mean, I know people think that the Republicans underperformed in the house by just winning by a slim margin and all that kind of stuff and didn't win the US Senate. But we still want. Okay, that's still a win. And I think that we gave them that power, even by some majority in this committee still happen, an unpopular Republican opinion, even now. I mean, I think still, there are these neoconservative established Republicans that roll the establishment class in Washington, DC, and even they concede that there's been too much of a weaponization by the federal government. So I think that is the absolute fact that there's a subcommittee established to look into January 6, to look into the weaponization federal government. So look into all this stuff is ambivalent and telling of where the GOP currently stands. And I think that we oftentimes think and others, these elected Bros and elected people like to believe people on Twitter saying Trump has no chance. Are we looking at RCEP at all, like if you looked at our PCP, Trump's ahead and ERCP average, okay, he's the head ball on point and a half. I think people talk about electability like he wasn't a head in 2020. I won't go into him, but tell people he was not ahead in the RCEP.

Brian Nichols  
For that matter, Kenny RFK has basically tied Joe Biden in some of the more recent polls, when it comes to Democratic primary. So even the sitting president, he's in hot water internally in his own party.

Kenny Cody  
Exactly. I mean, I think that there is this rebuke happening. And I think so many people are concentrated on the DeSantis Trump argument. It's well, I've told you before, Brian, I think that is such a secondary topic, like a key Trump's going to win. Like, I don't know what unless he is literally put in prison by the very people that we're talking about. And I don't even think Joe Biden wants his political opponent put into prison. I'll go and be honest with you talk about a Banana Republic, and even independents going, Whoa, dude, this is way too much like if he actually gets indicted. And well, it's not like he gets indicted, he's been done. But if he just gets arrested development prior, they didn't really know previously, they did not add the indictment itself, then we're gonna see a huge amount of people go oh, to No, absolutely not. So I think that there is this feeling of fight and GOP that we're really underrating I mean, like I said, I don't remember a chance in the last, what, six years of Donald Trump. Let's see, I guess seven years of Donald Trump, where he was eight years and if you count 2015, he was up in the RCP average against a Democrat, like we are well past the the idea that Trump is unelectable. Like, the very things that we have said are skewed towards Democrats are saying that Trump's ahead by point a half in June of 2023. Like I mean, I know that you have all these polls that said, you know, Republicans were ahead in the congressional ballot, right, like in in before 2021. They didn't win. Well, they still won the house, right? Like they still want the house by 3%. And we're talking about a generic poll, and we're talking about swing states, we're talking about Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, all this kind of stuff. And people are telling me that Trump is unelectable. I mean, that was the whole point. The article, man, it's if this dude wins again, and I told you on the last podcast, like the very small chance that Democrats think he has to win, would be the biggest rebuke of democratic politics and the biggest rebuke of federal weaponization of the federal government that we've seen in our history. The last time that this happened, the CIA allegedly killed JFK. Right. So we are seeing now a complete rebuke complete refusal. You're seeing polls, and I told you Brown I think I think the data came out the day before we did our last podcast. And now we actually see polling, that Democrats and Republicans believe this was politically motivated. The second indictment was the first one that was heavily like, oh, yeah, that's a weak case. But even this case that like some legal experts, and Democrats think it's so strong, he's gonna go to prison for he's gonna go to jail, and he's done. Even those people and independents. Voters are vase think this was a politically motivated attack. And guess what, I guarantee you that the legal system, the people who are bringing these charges are going to know that because if they know that this can cost them the election, they're going to back off, but they've already went too far. In my opinion, they've already went too far. And if this Georgia case comes to fruition, we're not going to talk about the E Jean Carroll case, let alone that case that you know, they said that she accused him of rape and he was not even found guilty of that. Now he's going to have civil liability through payments or whatever. We're not even talking about that when we're talking about new york.ga. We're talking about this one from from the FBI. I mean, they're gonna have to see the routing on the walls. If they do this, if they, to me, it's a win win. I hate to say that, but it's a win win if they if they have the balls to put Trump in prison or jail over these things that presidents come on. Like we know the Presidents for the last 50 years have been doing this stuff, dude, you're telling me that the George W. Bush didn't have documents when he was about to go to war with our rack when Dick Cheney, the owner of Halliburton was his vice president, you're telling me some documentations weren't shared among people at on private resonates? He's come on, like people are smarter than that the American people were not stupid in the moderate voters, it's stupid. So if they wanted to go ahead and try to sell this as some absolute evil master who masterminded Donald Trump, he is the he's going to share these doctrines, people who don't need to be saying him thing. Go ahead, I dare them to put Trump in jail because you are going to get beat death by whoever we nominate. And your Republican to get beat to death by the person that you want to put in prison in jail the most who's going to gut the deep state more than any president in our history, if he gets to be a command?

Brian Nichols  
Well, and what's going to happen to Kenny and it will, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. But what will happen is that you're going to see GOP folks in law go after the Democrats, the Biden family to start I mean, goodness, the the number of things that they have done, I mean, what were the DEA is going after Hunter Biden, let's see, those cases actually start to go into more fruition because this is I think, I don't say it's war, but it feels like it's a Cold War. At this point. You have two political parties going back and forth with obviously one political party, much more comfortably weaponizing the deep state and it's changed. I feel it's really changed over the past 20 years ever Lafayette folks, I think, felt the GOP, you know, obviously American Dad, the old the Seth MacFarlane show, that was all you know, poking fun of conservatives to conservatives in the CIA, right? And rah, rah America. A lot has changed now, and I think a lot of folks are starting to wake up to that. So let's talk about 2024. Kenny, as we go towards the tail end of the episode here, where do you think things will stand? Let's say, you know, Donald Trump does get elected in 2024. Should the deep state be shaking in their boots?

Kenny Cody  
Absolutely. I mean, this rhetoric that he has been talking about dude, like he, for the do to use the word deep state. I think that's so under again, underrated. Like, have we heard anybody describe it? So like you said, Thomas Massie we have the the moment that we've heard talked about that at all, is like Thomas Massie, Ron Paul, these libertarians who had federal government more than anybody. And I know, I know, people hate retribution, politics, they hate revenge politics. But this is a probably a statement and argument that a lot of your viewers are not going to enjoy. But this is for the Republican in me. I am so sick of Republicans saying that, well, they use their power that we should. And I understand that a lot that the argument is we're against big government, and we don't want this President to follow. But there comes a point around where we have got to do something. And what better payback would there be, in eliminating these people and eliminating these people from our federal government saying, we're going to take you out of your federal department, we're going to fire you, we're going to charge you, we're going to look into everything that you are doing. And we're going to make sure that you are investigated and looked into as much as humanly possible because of what you have done to the American people and to a president that was just wanting to look and make sure that you aren't doing wrong. That's all Trump did. That's all Trump did was look at these documents, say, Hey, we're getting into war and countries we shouldn't be getting into. We're doing a being in IR fearing a countries that we shouldn't be going into. We are going to war for no reason, ratcheted benefits corporations to benefit the deep state to benefit those who are invested in the military industrial complex, and he's finally going yeah, this probably isn't okay, that's all it took Brown. That is all it took for them to go after this man's livelihood to go after his criminal record to go after everything. And anybody that is associated with him putting the January 6 people in prison longer than a lot of people are probably in prison for assault and, you know, manslaughter. These people are waiting their trial awaiting their trials, and they're be held in sales. Because of them aligning with this dude, it wasn't because they rated the capital. I'm going to tell people it was because they had the capital. It's because they were conservatives that were going on behalf of Donald Trump and raising the capital. That's the only reason that they're being jailed as long as they're being jailed and they're potentially being charged what they're being charged. I think people are finally coming to realize that and it's taken Trump this long. That's another thing that I think is important. It is yet I want to tell you the tweet tweet all Trump and 2016. Donald Trump is not the same as the 2020 for Donald Trump. He's a veteran. Now, he knows that the deep state hates him even worse than he thought it did in the first place. And if he knows that, and again, it's like the second term are we talked about last time, he's not running for re election again, if he gets in there Brown, he's going to be as John Mulaney millennia, put it a horse in a hospital, he is going to kick in every door, every intricacy, and every Deep State movement there is in our federal government, and he is going to rip it and gun it apart, he is going to make sure that people who need to be investigated are removed from their entities and investigate to the highest extent of the law. And I believe it should happen because I know they're gonna be libertarians and modern Republicans that are going to say, well, we shouldn't use our power to go after these people. Well, when they have committed the atrocities, I cannot imagine the people in the FBI, CIA, NSA and ATF the atrocities they have done to the average American citizen, they deserve to answer for whatever they have done. And if it takes Donald Trump being on the fence post and saying, Hey, look, what they've done to me, they tried to do this to me, they're gonna try to do to you, and I'm gonna get them as soon as I get into office. If I'm elected, then that's who I'm for. And that's how I'm going to be supporting.

Brian Nichols  
Final thoughts. I'll kick things off here, Kenny. So you've obviously heard me with my critiques of Trump many a time you're on the show. But I will say that, to see the focus and the vigor that the Deep State has gone after Donald Trump, it definitely raises my eyebrows to say, man, they are terrified of this guy. So I guess not all my concerns, but some of my concerns are at least alleviated knowing how terrified these folks are of a Donald Trump presidency, number one. Number two, this is a critique towards libertarians and conservatives a fan, we have to do better when it comes to actually fighting back. And this means not simply standing for something but not really doing anything to actually back up the words. When we see the weaponization of politics from the government right now. It is targeting you it is targeting the Libertarians it is targeting conservatives, it's targeting moms for liberty because the NAACP labels them a hate hate organization. It's because you have organizations like you go through the list glad NAACP, who they label, you know, hateful or harmful organizations that are basically the organization's we know, friends and family who are part of NRA, you're a part of that you're part of a terrorist group. Oh, you like guns, you're the worst thing in the entire world, they will use government against you. Now, this is not to say that we should use government against them, but rather to at the very least, stop those individuals who are weaponizing government and to make sure it can't be done again. And we have to make sure that we are setting expectations that we are being bold, and we're saying no more. And I guess Yeah, going back to the whole Trump thing. I think that is part of the appeal of Trump. Trump is able to say what he believes. And he does so without, you know, really too much of a thought in terms of, you know, is it politically popular? Is this the politically correct thing to say? That rather now he's experienced it firsthand? And I think this is speaking to what you talked about here, you know, Trump in 2024? Yeah, I think he does have a chance to go into the the White House and really horse in the hospital, which, by the way, one of the best John Mulaney skits that he ever did. So other than that cast my final thoughts for today, what do you have in your on your end?

Kenny Cody  
Guys, there is a reason that Democrats are defeating the entities that they have always hated. They have always said, you know, when we wanted to go black, the blue and that we should just trust the process. And we should just trust the law, you know, law enforcement, federal law enforcement. There's a reason that turns around whenever a Republican is being targeted. There's a reason that James Comey, who is the former FBI director, FBI, CIA, he's so relevant that I can't remember, is wearing a Kamala Harris and Joe Biden shirt in his Twitter profile and saying, You need to back democracy. These people care about democracy, about as much as me and brand do. I don't care about democracy in the way that the Democrats define it. I'm not for a direct democracy, or a republic. And the way that we get back to being a constitutional republic, is gutting the very people that hate us. It's gutting these federal departments that seek after they target school boards. They target parents, the target moms for liberty, like brown just said, they're targeting these groups, and they're targeting pro life groups, as if it's a way to say we see you. We see your beliefs, and we're going to ruin you because of them.

Speaker 3  
We have got to finally fight back.

Kenny Cody  
This is an opportunity Do we have as a movement, as conservatives, as constitutionalist and as libertarians? To finally say, we have had enough of this? We didn't. There's people that's gonna say, hey, we don't like the way Trump acts. I'm sure there are Republicans that agree. But there has to be a point there has to be standpoint where we go. That is enough. We have had enough with the political weaponization of power. And if we get this power in the same way that the hashtag Republicans got their power got their majority, and the first thing that they did was go after these people who are using their power to no good they're using these powers against conservatives. In that same way. I think the Trump, if he wins, 2024 is going to have the best opportunity since John F. Kennedy, let's help us get the same result that he wants to get the very people that hate us the most. And I really hope by 2024 we realize that and I hope that Republicans conservatives and libertarians start waking up to that idea.

Brian Nichols  
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Kenny Cody  
Yeah, you're gonna Arkell full if y'all don't care. I think a lot of people will really enjoy it especially the Libertarians of the viewership. I think you all would really enjoy it. If it just talks about getting the deep state that's always a good thing for everybody. Go follow me on Twitter at Katie cote in my article archives are on Muckrock if you want to look up Katy Cody, please post for Newsmax and the national polls, all kinds of other websites and I'd be on the lookout for more articles coming very soon.

Brian Nichols  
Love it. All right, Kenny. I know you gotta run I gotta run as well. So with that being said, Folks, thank you for joining us and we will talk to you next week. Brian was signing off here on The Brian Nichols Show for Kenny Cody. We'll see you later.

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