822: The School Choice REVOLUTION - Parental Power in a New Era of Education

Brian Nichols  0:18  
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Matt, welcome to The Brian Nichols Show again, how you doing, man?

Matt Frendewey  5:18  
I'm doing great. Brian, great to be with you. Great to have you back on the show.

Brian Nichols  5:21  
Now for the folks who maybe are new listeners here to The Brian Nichols Show. Because peek behind the curtain, Matt, our numbers are up 279% This year, what I don't know how that happened. But we're cool about it. But we've been growing leaps and bounds this year, Matt? So there's literally like 1000s of new folks in the audience who maybe don't know who you are who yes, every kid is. So before we go into the reason you're on the show today to talk about this micro School in West Virginia, just do us a favor, reintroduce yourself and of course, yes, every kid,

Matt Frendewey  5:51  
you know, I appreciate that. And yes, every kid has an organization just dedicated to unlocking the talent every child, we believe that every student deserves access to the program services, courses, schools and and and programs that meet their needs. And with that individuality requires a diverse offerings of providers and services, there are a lot of barriers in the way for parents to access those barriers. And so we look at a lot of barriers in the way for parents to access those programs. And so we look at ways to tear down those barriers, make the system more open and really more more to deserving and deliver and more deserving to children and, and deliver them to the education that they deserve that we believe that every kid is worthy of that. And not just some kid, whether they're wealthy or they are lucky, or if their family just so happens to move to quote, the right school. Yeah,

Brian Nichols  6:49  
I actually, you know, when I talk to my friends, I have friends, Matt, believe it or not, people are like, Brian, you do a show like every day, it seems. Do you have friends? I do. I do have friends. And they're all over across the United States. But when they do move, Matt, I would say like 50% of the time I hear the reason for them moving is something societal, and happens to be more often than not something relating to their kids or education. So let's talk about this right West Virginia. We see this micro school it's called the hive Learning Academy. Sounds a little sketch just by the name to begin with. But who am I? And you look at the school like it's a micro school, West Virginia is on board with school choice I believe they have. They have school choice savings counters. Yeah, something like that. Right? So you have an option now where if a school drops the ball parents can bring their dollars elsewhere. Let's look at West Virginia, let's tell the story of this high Learning Academy. How is this an example mat of exactly what we promote here? You know, our good friend Cory de Angeles, going around and talking about the importance of school choice? How is this the example of not just the importance of school choice? But frankly, how was this the example of exactly why we need school choice from an outcomes perspective? Absolutely.

Matt Frendewey  8:06  
So the hive Academy, you know, is was a micro school that a couple parents had started. And they offered this to a variety of families, they I think they were an originally homeschool families, they wanted to expand and use the New Hope Scholarship, the education savings account, to offer what they had been providing to their children, to more families. And unfortunately, it just didn't work out. And the families were dissatisfied with the school, what's happens, and instead of what happens in the traditional public school system, where parents are dissatisfied, and they're stuck, or to your point, they have to have a real hard conversation about possibly moving up, you know, picking up stakes and selling their home and moving to get to a new school, the parents had the ability to pull out of the school, have access to a refund of their funding, and then go and roll their kid into either a new school or homeschool or just another provider. It to me this is a signal that the market is maturing, not a as some of the media painted it as a some sort of like the sky is falling on school choice. To me this was the opposite. This demonstrates that parents have power and when given power and agency to move and exercise, the freedom that we use in other marketplaces. They'll use it when they're dissatisfied. And they'll use it when they're satisfied. And that's what I think this showcases you know, in op ed that I wrote about this i i compare the high learning academy to Baltimore public schools and

Brian Nichols  9:37  
by the way, I'm sorry, that's never a school district that you actually want to be compared with.

Matt Frendewey  9:41  
No and and it but it sadly is serving far more kids than high Learning Academy. But But poor public schools. 93% of students are not proficient in math. Dozens of the schools have zero students proficient in math, but we don't have to make it just Baltimore, right like Let's jump you're in Indiana, let's jump over to Chicago, where dozens of schools have zero kids proficient in math and learn and reading. And what what power what agency does parents have when they're dissatisfied? The traditional public system says, yeah, it's zero, you're old enough, you're some 00 Agency and the traditional public school system says, Stay put, stay seated, we'll give you a new five year plan, we'll give you a new 10 year plan, but you don't have you shouldn't have the right is really the way they frame it, to go and pull your fund and go elsewhere. And instead, what happened in West Virginia demonstrates what happens when parents have the ability to do that. They say, Nope, not happy, didn't work the way I wanted it to work, I'm gonna take my funds and go elsewhere. That is a good thing. Not a bad thing. That's how markets should work. That really is the future of education as we continue to see education, Freedom expand across the country,

Brian Nichols  10:54  
accountability and consequences. I know that that sounds mean to the audience out there who's like, but Brian, no, no, no, no, we need. And I'm going to go on a rant here for a second. But like, we need a society mass of people who understand that there is accountability, there is consequences, both for good things, and bad things. Right. And that isn't just in terms of what we do as individuals. But from a policy perspective, too. How often do our our lawmakers, they can just say like, Oh, it wasn't my fault. I tried so hard. You voted for this, what are we talking about? Can I like stop playing games here? Let's talk about real accountability, real consequences. And when you look to the free market, that is, by definition, the ultimate means to actually go ahead and instill some type of accountability and consequences when folks in the marketplace dropped the ball, which I know there, there's a subsection of like point zero to 3% of my audience who are like, but education should be brought down by the government. That's their job. No, sorry. Education, just like any other good or service in the marketplace is just that a good or service. Therefore, the quality of the service plus the cost of the service should be determined by market forces, not just by some government bureaucrat who was like, you know, your kids should probably learn what the 17th letter of the LGBTQ ai plus agenda is. No, I'm sorry, no, Mr. bureaucrat, I don't want you to be the person to determine that I want to be able to send my kid where I want to send my kid and to know that the stuff that's being taught to my kids is actually going to help them be a successful adult in our real life functioning society. So taking a step off of my podium here, man, we look at what happened in West Virginia. And it works right school, the hive, that the hive Learning Academy, they closed their doors. They're under state investigation right now. And yet, and yet, even though we look at this as a perfect example of how this should work, you hit the nail on the head, you have gargantuan entities, like the Baltimore City School District, I think the number was $1.7 billion for an annual budget. Do you think that budgets gonna get smaller after they have like, what half their kids can't even read? No, of course, they're gonna be like, you know, what we should really do? We should increase that from 1.7 billion to 1.9 billion, and then that $200 million extra divide that by the number of kids, yes, it can be like another like $15,000 per student, but that that is how we're going to help our kids read. Right, right, Matt? Isn't that how it works? That

Matt Frendewey  13:34  
is how it works. I mean, that's, you know, in Baltimore public schools, their solution was a new one point. And I figured out in front of that to get $1.7 million $1.5 million tutoring program to try and solve the math problem. No, go from 1.3. Pardon.

Brian Nichols  13:52  
I'll do it for 1.3 mil.

Matt Frendewey  13:54  
Exactly. But you know, or give the families the 1.5 million, give them the ability to go hire the tutor they want and give them the ability to go hire a new provider if they want. What would happen, like, you know, exactly. Well, we all know what would happen, right? If you gave the ability of bulk for parents to take their funding and go elsewhere? They probably would, because the services they're getting are atrocious. But yet, instead we call that accountability, right? Like that's, I think that's the other problem we have right now is right now we call accountability, this element of testing, we say, well, we test kids. So that's accountability. And I'm like, No, testing kids is an assessment. And and I'm not necessarily a big fan of standardized testing. But let's, let's start putting some really meaning behind language. Testing kids isn't accountability. It's assessing where they're at. It's it's providing some transparency to how well they're doing or how well they're not doing. So multiple public schools. They're like, well, we have accountability. We standardized tests our kids and I'm like, No, you don't have accountability. You have some element of transparency with no accountability to your point you nailed the nail on his head. It's, it's a consequence that should follow what happens after a school fails or does well, and there's no consequence in Chicago, or in Baltimore or continue on in any other school, other than the elements where parents have the ability to take their funds, retrieve them back and go elsewhere. That's where we see consequence. And to me, that's a model we should be emulating and continuing to, to, to expand, and we see it already around the country, right? School choice has taken the country by storm is because parents are fed up with being told nope, sit down, give us your kids, you don't have a say. And instead, finally, politicians have stepped up and recognize like, Wait, parents want this. They want more autonomy, they want more control over their funding, they want the ability to take their funding, and send it to another provider to customize it to blend it to hire one provider for part of their services or another provider for their other services. And to me, it's why it's wildly popular, and it's continuing to expand all over the country. I mean, every just Alabama just passed a new program just last week. And there's more states that are continuing to look at programs this year.

Brian Nichols  16:10  
You know, you mentioned how this can be like a part of the puzzle for parents, right? Like they want to send their kids to multiple different areas. Anybody in the world of business is listening to this at the end, like, yeah, that's how literally everything works. Like I'm not even kidding, I got off a call like an hour before we hopped on here, Matt. And for the folks who are listening, that aren't aware, I'm in the sales development, outbound world, I lead a sales team. And I help a lot with like new business opportunities and stuff. And we were on a discovery call with a customer. And he's going through, and he's talking about all the different pieces to the puzzle he has for credit card payment processing. And you know, he's got one provider that does this one provider does this. And each of them are doing a different piece of the puzzle. But they're doing it in their own way. And they're they're adding value. So he sees the benefit, right of going that route. And I just look at that. I say, Yeah, that makes sense. Because that's what they need, they need to make a tailor fit solution for them. But if you take that solution that works for them, and I go to what I think is a same, you know, same ICP, same ideal customer persona, and I tried to put that exact solution that worked for this past customer on a new customer, it may not work because the variables are different. And that's just because that's how life is like, not every kid is the exact same, but every kid is different as they should be. No, no single kid should be put into this, like cookie cutter mentality of an education system. So I say all that, Matt, you know, we talk about incentive structures, we talk about consequences and accountability. What do you think beyond that the parents now starting to say, Oh, wow, we have we have power here, right? And actually having a chance to stand up to this. But let's go on the other side, to more of the administrators to more of the teachers that are out there. I mean, what are these consequences? What are these incentive structures? Do you find? What are they going to teach them? Do you think that it might change the way that some of our even Yes, government instructors, that they're gonna approach their jobs?

Matt Frendewey  18:22  
I think so. I think there's a couple of things that and we're already starting to see this in in the emerging out of system marketplace, which is the talented providers or teachers who are fed up with the the top down system and their inability to actually teach the kids are leaving, and they're starting a lot of them are starting their own school, and they're starting their own schools and, and creating their own education Mark marketplace, to to interact with parents on their own terms. And to me, that's, that continues to demonstrate that, like, if you're a really good educator, there's a new emerging marketplace for you to jump out of and go, I'm out public school, you're fired. And because I know that there's parents around the corner who are going to hire me, and to me, that's just another demonstration that the marketplace is going to continue to grow. And this top down, you know, one size fits all, monopoly is not only as outdated, but it's starting to really feel pressure in every situation every every side. You have parents who are pulling their kids out, you're really talented, provide teachers who are saying, Nope, I'm gonna leave and go start my own or go join an existing out of system, unconventional learning environment. And to me like that's the that's a marketplace that's emerging. And did it continue to emerge as we continue to move closer and closer to a freer market, as opposed to right now, which is a closed, closed market?

Brian Nichols  19:46  
Matt, I've heard objections and I'm in the world of sales. So we we prepare for objections, because objections are just part of the buying process. And I know one of the objections I hear frequently as well Brian You're talking about private schools or schools that are outside of the purview of the government schooling system. So doesn't that mean by default, that there are going to be kids that are I'm sorry for the the term but new kids that are left behind somewhere, George Bush smile saying, no, no, no kid left behind. But no, seriously, what about these kids? Matt, who they're gonna be left behind? What What about them?

Matt Frendewey  20:24  
I don't, I don't, I don't believe that. Right? I I want I believe in the power of parents to make the best choices for their kid, for some parents, that may be staying put, right. And that's okay. And that's the power of markets. It's the, it's allowing parents to say, I actually, you know, the public school is actually the most convenient, it's located near my job, it's on my way to work, whatever it might be the the reason, and I'm going to stay put arrive a really good relationship with the educator, my kid just is doing well here. But it's also allowing the other parents that say, this isn't working for me, and I'm gonna go somewhere else. So you know, the argument that somehow kids are gonna get left behind to me one that's like, really, like, you really think your product is really like not very superior, if you pick your worst argument is that the kids who are who stay put are going to be somehow negatively impacted. So that's that, let's start there. And then secondly, let's just accept the fact that parents have the are in the best position to make the best decisions over their kids education, and leave it there and give them the ability to take the funds that are otherwise taxed and taken from them, but give it back to them to make the choices that they think are best for their family. So,

Brian Nichols  21:34  
Matt, when we're talking about making this happen, right, and this, we were using the example of the micro School in West Virginia, to show how it works. But in terms of helping progress this forward. I mean, what would you say? What would you say are some of the the needed wins that we need to have an a policy perspective, both from a state and local worldview? But also, I mean, yeah, we have to acknowledge the elephant in the room that is the largest elephant in world history that is the US government in terms of how large it is and and how overreaching? It is. So what what can we do there from a policy position to help keep us going in this this positive direction?

Matt Frendewey  22:15  
Well, I think it's just it's one is starting always with the question of what's best for families, right. And in every policy, conversation, making sure you're arcing the policy, arguably policy outcomes, the policy designed towards what's best for families, and not what often times happens in policymaking as you're well aware, which is what's best for politicians. So that's the first thing we can do. The second thing, I think, for those policymakers who are listening, and are those who impact policymakers who are listening, is take this example and run with it, right? Accountability is not a top down system of how you measure kids accountability is the ability. It's what happens to a school when it refuses to deliver for students, you know, in the high learning academy, it closed, all of Baltimore schools, they're still open, which is more accountable. To me, it's clear, the highest Academy, and therefore why is it more accountable, parents have the freedom to move, they have the funds that they can take with them. And that also creates a consequence against the system that otherwise could, would would, you know, happy consequence free when a parent leaves, and that's what you see in Baltimore, Chicago, and many other large public school systems, there's no consequences whatsoever. So start making those consequences tied to giving parents the freedom and the ability to take their funds. So you're fired, moved to a new provider, you're hired.

Brian Nichols  23:42  
You're channeling your inner Donald Trump there. You're fired. Yeah, good stuff. Matt. We're going towards the tail end of the episode. So we'd like to do our little segment called Final thoughts. And if you're cool that I'll kick things off. And I'll turn it over to you to wrap things up. So I look at this conversation that we're having today. And for posterity sake. We're recording here in 2024, March of 2024. And, and I look back to when I first had this conversation on The Brian Nichols Show, and we were a wee little podcast way back in 2018. And I never thought that this conversation would be happening, right? I never thought that we would get to the point where so many parents, so many school districts have have actually done an about face, and now they're on board with this. And I think there's one big area that we've had trouble and I'm going to use the right right now just in general general, generalized approach that we on the right don't know when to celebrate the wins. I'm like, we are always looking at Oh my god. Here's the next worst thing that we have to address. Which is true, by the way, we're just true. We have that that goal, but we also have a goal or an obligation rather to take a step back and acknowledge when we accomplish some pretty darn impressive goals. Now I had Corey Angeles back in the show, I think it was late 2018, early 2019. And this was when he was really beginning his like Cory de Angeles evangelists thing, where he's going around all these different state capitals, and really preaching the good word of school choice, right. And now we look to where we are today. I think the numbers over half of US states, embracing a school choice approach, half of US states embracing Educational Savings accounts. I mean, like, these are huge wins. And guys, like you, Matt is the audience like, celebrate, celebrate this win win, I have a sales guy who they closed, like an A plus deal, like, you know, six figures, they're feeling great. But then they looked at next quarter, and like, Okay, I gotta start working on next quarter. I'm like, my dude, let's celebrate, like, let's have some fun and enjoy the fact that you just closed this awesome, awesome account. That's kind of how I feel about this. And frankly, about all the other areas that we spend our time, energy and efforts, whether it's in the world of school choice, it's in a world of culture, whatever it may be, we got to celebrate some wins. So thank you, Matt, for helping us get some wins on the board. It's it's for folks like you and organizations like yes, every kid who are out there making things happen. So I'm just truly excited to have you on the show to be able to promote and support all the great work you guys are doing. So yeah, keep keep doing what you guys are doing, because you're making the world a better place. That's my final thoughts. Matt, what do you have for us near end?

Matt Frendewey  26:23  
Yeah, I appreciate it. And that's really what inspired me to write this. This Op Ed was the original coverings for this micro school that close was the school that you know, the sky is falling. You know, this is what's wrong with with with school choice. And I said, halt. Wait, this is a marketplace taking hold. This is parents exercising the freedom that they are otherwise we're not given or afforded for for, that they don't have in other parts of the country. This is something we should be celebrating. I don't want parents to be disappointed. Don't get me wrong. But I want parents to have the power and freedom to make the best choices for themselves. And to be able to exercise that consequences, otherwise escapes almost all other public school. And I want them to be able to do it seamlessly and freely and have the funds to do that. And so that, to me is a demonstration that we're moving in rapid pace towards a much more freer market, and a much more parent centered students in our market and that is a good thing.

Brian Nichols  27:18  
Folks, you've been listening to VP of strategy from Yes, every kid foundation Matt friend away. Really excited to have him here on The Brian Nichols Show powered by amp America. Matt, this has been a fantastic conversation, but it's not your first time here on the show. Yes, you were on the show. As I mentioned back at the beginning of the episode you were on earlier this year end of last years. Yeah. One or the other. Yeah, yeah, it was it was in the past six months but no, we had some great great conversations there digging into Yes, every kid and all the great work you guys are doing so here's I'm gonna do for the audience slash here's some homework because we're talking about school. Yes, please go back and check out that episode with Matt link is going to be in the show notes. Or if you're joining us on the video version of the show, namely on the YouTubes or on the rumbles stick around after the show wraps up you're going to see a pop up like right here, here somewhere in this general area. That's going to be the episode that Matt joined us here last time so please go ahead and check that out. And then otherwise in terms of some call to actions for you in the audience, please go ahead and give today's episode a share. That's how we spread the word that's how we increase downloads 280% in like a month and a half for the year like yes guys sharing the show helps more than you would you would know so please go ahead give it a share when you do because podcasts grow by word of mouth Believe it or not the most effective way to grow the show is to tell other people so tell some folks or just go ahead and share it on social media when you do please tag yours truly at be Nichols Liberty you can find me over on x.com Twitter as well as over on Facebook Matt friend away where can folks go ahead and reach out to you if they want to continue the conversation plus working folks go ahead and support the amazing organization that is yes every kid visit yes every

Matt Frendewey  29:04  
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Brian Nichols  29:20  
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